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00:00.23missmbobthe names "jessie" "wheezy" are codenames.
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00:05.04missmbobkoz_: probably ask #debian-mentors on oftc
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00:07.35koz_missmbob: Thank you!
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00:24.14*** topic/#debian is Debian Stretch frozen 2017-02-05; /msg dpkg stretch freeze | Unwanted private messages? /umode +R | point release 8.7 of Debian Jessie released! /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg 8.7; /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie ; /msg dpkg install jessie | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog
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01:01.10stephanie92Any idea what channel I should be in for assistance or questions pertaining to lvm?
01:02.53alekzstephanie92: /msg ALIS list lvm
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01:07.49wondiwsI cannot control my backlight anymore with xbacklight since I upgraded to sid
01:07.55wondiws"no outputs"
01:08.07wondiwshave backlight
01:08.11wondiwshow do I remedy this?
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01:08.42sypherwondiws: testing/sid are offtopic here. Try #debian-next on the OFTC network.
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01:17.58wondiwssypher, yes, they succesfully helped me there, it was a bug in sid
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01:29.30sypherwondiws: Glad to hear it.
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02:17.42stephanie92Is it safe to extend a VG on a live system?
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02:20.44eric__hello
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02:22.43LiuYanstephanie92: it should be safe
02:23.08stephanie92LiuYan: Thank you
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02:28.37LiuYanstephanie92: sorry, wait a minute, "on a live system" you mean "online" or "using a live cd/usb" ? sorry for my English
02:28.56stephanie92LiuYan: It's a live server
02:29.05stephanie92'online'
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04:31.33stephanie92Would installing a new version of virtualbox (using .deb package) overwrite the old version of virtualbox? Or must i first remove the old version and then install the new version
04:32.20missmbobstephanie92: there's a newer version in jessie-backports
04:32.31Guest59036Hi
04:33.12stephanie92missmbob: well that's good to know.. but I installed the old version the same way.. (dpkg -i vboxpackage.deb)
04:33.15Guest59036How do I get this to print the stderror from "test"? https://pastebin.com/WJNrqH7m
04:33.24stephanie92missmbob: will this make any difference?
04:33.59missmbobstephanie92: depending on where you got the deb from. you should add their official repo to sources.list and then just apt-get install deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian jessie contrib
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04:36.00Rusty1_missmbob:  try #bash if nobody here pipes up
04:36.13stephanie92missmbob: well i got it from virtual box's site
04:36.26missmbobstephanie92: that's fine. dpkg -i
04:36.34missmbobRusty1_: you must be talking to someone else
04:36.55stephanie92missmbob: okay.. i'd be interested to adding additional mirror's and keys.. never done that either haha
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04:37.18Rusty1_oops sry missmbob
04:37.30missmbobstephanie92: i gave you the repo. for the virtualbox keys do this https://paste.debian.net/928921/
04:37.38stephanie92okay
04:38.16stephanie92missmbob: Wait, that's it? I don't need to add the mirror to source.list after i run those two commands?
04:38.27Rusty1_Guest59036:   try #bash if nobody here pipes up
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04:38.54stephanie92Bash Rustyl
04:38.59Guest59036Rusty1_: thanks
04:39.03missmbobstephanie92: you do. the paste is the key so apt-get doesnt warn you that the new repo cant be verified
04:39.44stephanie92missmbob: ah okay, interesting.. didn't know apt- had those capabilities
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04:40.46stephanie92missmbob: When you add it, does apt- have a special place it stores the .asc's?? How would I view my existing keys
04:40.56stephanie92just curious xD sorry to derail
04:41.35missmbobstephanie92: apt-key list
04:42.14stephanie92missmbob: omg this is amazing ^^ haha
04:42.16missmbobstephanie92: and it's stored in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ and /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
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04:43.45stephanie92missmbob: Thank you ^^
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04:43.55missmbobnp
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05:13.20semitonesHi all
05:13.33xormorsemitones, hi
05:14.17semitonesfor hosts.allow, does this line look correct: "ALL: 10.8.0" ? I have a VPN that uses a subnet like 10.8.0.x and my regular LAN is 192.168.2.x
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05:14.34semitonesand right now I can't ping the DNS server, so I wonder if this will fix it
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05:18.47somiajif you can't ping the DNS server that is more like routing, host.allow is for ssh I belive, or part of denyhost
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05:21.33semitonesok. i gotta fix the routing somehow
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06:15.56chatter29hey guys
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06:56.28Rembohow can i lock a shell user to see only a specific folder?
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07:00.47nkuttlerRembo: how does the user log in?
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07:02.00Rembonkuttler via ssh shell
07:03.44nkuttlerRembo: see man 5 sshd_config, ChrootDirectory, but you'll need a chroot
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07:05.26nkuttleror you could something like selinux/apparmor i guess if you prefer that
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07:48.30mifritscheris there a way to read out the gpio register on a Skylake m7 audio device? Its a Audio device: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio (rev 21) / 0403: 8086:9d70
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07:49.01mifritscherI wanna try to debug the "no sound from internal speakers (but headsets) after standby
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07:57.19mifritschergrr, is there a way to search in the BTS simply after the subject?
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08:09.21hellyeahhey
08:09.27hellyeahanyone use youtube-dl here?
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08:16.29mifritscherI collected the sound problem info under http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851404 (yes, its testing, but happens in stable (and Ubuntu 16.04) as well)
08:16.30juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/851404 in src:linux (open): «linux-image-4.8.0-2-amd64: Internal speakers don't work after standby on a Toshiba z20t-c-121»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-01-14; last modified: 2017-01-14.
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08:36.08LibertyWeNeedI have a ThinkPad T460 running 16.04 LTS. The graphics are flickering. Does anyone know how to fix this?
08:36.08LibertyWeNeedThe graphics card is Intel HD Graphics 520
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08:46.46AlexLikeRockLibertyWeNeed,    you are  ussing  ubuntu
08:46.54AlexLikeRockthis channel  of DEBIAN
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08:47.06AlexLikeRock!UBUNTU
08:47.06dpkgUbuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian.  Only Debian is supported on #debian.  Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead.  Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.  See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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08:53.21ManisHi. Is there a way to detect that an encrypted volume has been unmounted and then automatically run "cryptsetup close"?
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08:56.46blackflowManis: something along the lines of   mount | grep "/dev/mapper/blahblah" && cryptsetup luksClose blahlblah  ?
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08:57.39Manisblackflow: not really. If a user clicks the "eject" button in the file explorer after unmounting the volume I want to automatically close the cryptsetup volume.
08:57.58ManisI was thinking of something like a udisks hook.
08:58.31blackflowMaybe via dbus
08:59.32Manisblackflow: Do you know how to do that?
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09:10.43spacebug^(best) 'pastebin'-alike for images?
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09:13.03simbalionIf I delete the .debs from /var/cache/archives will that cause problems with my system? One app has a few dozen 50mb .debs and they look like minor version upgrades of the same thing
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09:14.00simbalioner, I meant /var/cache/apt/archives, I have been up all night..
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09:14.12jellysimbalion, it won't, in fact there's a command to do that, "apt-get clean"
09:14.33jellysee also autoclean in the manual.
09:14.42simbalionjelly: thanks, that helps :D
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10:15.15Lady_AleenaHello. When I install debian last, I saw two new directories in ~/. They were ~/Public and ~/Templates. Does anyone know what is supposed to be using these directories?
10:15.23Lady_Aleenas/install/installed/;
10:15.59hmz365Why does the kernel have to add a parameter CONFIG_MODULE_FORCE_UNLOAD=y, and why can't you force deletion of the modules that are already in use?
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10:17.30Eduard_Munteanuhmz365, you can delete module files on disk but you can't safely remove a module that's in use.
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10:22.10abrotmanLady_Aleena: likely created by whatever WM/DE you were using
10:22.33hmz365Thank you, Eduard_Munteanu
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10:23.14Eduard_Munteanuhmz365, to be clear, you can't safely remove it from the kernel with rmmod
10:23.27Lady_Aleenaabrotman, I'm searching my ~/ now for it, though I'm getting a lot of results I do not want.
10:23.58Lady_AleenaOMG! The computer's fan just turned on from running a grep. This is not good.
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10:24.15anttoLady_Aleena is it a single core?
10:24.53blackflowlaptop fans usually turn on just by looking at the laptop and thinking about doing some work :)
10:25.00Lady_Aleenaantto, I don't know.
10:26.21hmz365I wonder why you can delete the graphics module you are using? Eduard_Munteanu
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10:26.58Lady_AleenaDon't ever "grep -RIe '/Public' ."
10:26.58Eduard_Munteanuhmz365, delete the file or remove it from the kernel?
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10:27.51anttoLady_Aleena does that search inside files?
10:28.37Eduard_Munteanuhmz365, it depends on the module... some are only used while X is running
10:28.56Lady_Aleenaantto, yes. I was looking for instances of /Public to find what may have created the directory, but I guess I should search for the string $HOME/Public, but I can't remember how to make that literal.
10:28.59blackflowLady_Aleena: grep is looking at file contents. You need 'find' if you just want to find files regardless of their contents.
10:29.30Lady_Aleenablackflow, I want to find all files with the string '$HOME/Public' which means grep.
10:29.35antto;]
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10:31.03Lady_AleenaHowever, I don't know how to search for that string without it expanding.
10:31.12anttoi also have /Public and /Templates, and they even have dedicated icons (normal folder icon with a symbol)
10:31.38Lady_Aleenaantto, well, if you can find what created them, I am interested.
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10:32.13anttoabrotman already proposed an answer
10:32.35Lady_Aleenaantto, I would like to know specifics.
10:32.46blackflowLady_Aleena: https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs/
10:33.00blackflowLady_Aleena: also look into ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
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10:34.05blackflowtl;dr those folders are defined by Freedesktop and autocreated by desktops, with configurable paths
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10:36.06Lady_Aleenablackflow, thank you very much!
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10:39.40pflanzeHello. Could I compile a user space program to Linux on ARM in both endiannesses (would be useful or testing whether there are endianness bugs) and run it on the same kernel without rebooting the system into another kernel?
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10:44.17anttospeaking of desktop directories, i wonder if it's possible to specify a different /Desktop folder
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10:45.11anttobecause i have the same user for both ubuntu and debian (with a shared home folder) and now i see icons from both, but not all icons are "valid"
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10:46.19anttoi guess it's in the Desktop Preferences, Advanced "use desktop as folder" Custom
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10:48.06FreddyPThe way I do it is have separte home folders but the big folders such as my photos and music are on an separate partition so dont have the issue you have
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10:48.37bazhangmorphis_, would #snappy be the place to ask about anbox
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11:56.34anttofor programs that require superpowers, do i run them from terminal with su/sudo or is that a potentially bad idea?
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11:57.46anttosome of them ask you to enter the password, but other simply don't and they fail to work (so i assume they expect to be executed with the right superpowers beforehand)
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12:17.38toad_what's my best option for virtualisation for a linux guest with GPU passthrough? xen doesn't work out of the box because of the qemu-xen-traditional issue; I've seen a lot of stuff on www re using qemu on its own... this is for a secondary, nvidia GPU ...
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12:18.13toad_I'd like to know if it's worth installing a recent xen from source ... ideally i'd like a package manager solution but that seems unlikely?
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12:23.06dgriffiI'm having trouble figuring out which packages apt is not upgrading.  When I do "apt-get upgrade", I get this:  "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded."
12:23.14dgriffibut it won't tell me the packages in question
12:23.52dgriffi/var/log/apt/history.log isn't telling me anything useful there either
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12:24.29dvsdgriffi, try "apt-get dist-upgrade"
12:24.55dgriffidvs: I did that after I read https://debian-administration.org/article/69/Some_upgrades_show_packages_being_kept_back.  no dice
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12:30.55abffI'm bored anyone have a suggestion for a good game in the repos?
12:31.17dgriffiabff: frotz
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12:31.26Dinosaurioikonia: ahaha whops
12:31.39Dinosaurionot your best day eh?
12:31.44ikoniaday is fine thanks
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12:32.26FreddyPsuper tux racer is fun
12:33.20dgriffiafter you install frotz, go to http://ifdb.tads.org/ and find a game that sounds like fun.
12:33.30abffdgriffi sweet :)
12:33.52abffFreddyP I'll check that out after a frotz toe-dip
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12:53.20BluesKajHi folks
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12:57.48veganmaisterhow does hardware become supported in the Debian world? Are we relying on vendors to provide the right drivers or select the right components?Or is the onus back on the community?
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12:58.32dvsveganmaister, most of the time, the community makes the drivers from specs or reverse engineering.
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13:44.10dpkgKali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>.  It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian.  Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ .  Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
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13:58.49dpkg~recursion
13:58.49aptTo understand recursion, you must first understand recursion. see ~recursion
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14:00.18dpkgit has been said that foo is the probably first <metasyntactic variable>, it's a placeholder for some other term.  See http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html and <bar>, also read the Etymology of "Foo" (RFC3092).
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14:00.39missmbobyou can stop now
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14:42.58abffdoes install create directories as needed? I am trying to make install a binary I compiled from git, I changed the $NAME in the Makefile so that apt wouldn't get confused if I ever installed the repo (repo has an older version)
14:44.40abffThe binary compiled fine but make install fails at "install: cannot stat 'doc/frotz-2.45pre.6' : No such file or directory
14:44.52phoggabff: that's up to whoever wrote the makefile
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14:45.43ber532kI don't believe install creates directories. You could use mkdir -p to be sure the directory is there
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14:47.22abffisntall -D (which the makefile uses) does apparently, and with -m chmods everything install creates. Although I don't really understand what this means:
14:47.39abffcreate all leading components of DEST except the last, or all components of --target-directory, then copy SOURCE to DEST
14:47.48abffexcept the last? :s
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14:49.14abffoh I just figured itout
14:49.27J1syHello people i want to install multiple DEs from debian usb, my rig is a xw8200
14:49.32abffhonestly I should just talk into an empty channel
14:49.51ber532kabff: what was the problem
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14:50.54abffber532k Well, I changed the name of the binary and all the instances of it in the Makefile through the export. I did not however anticipate that the git:doc/ directory would have files named after the old binary
14:51.11J1syOk my rig was slow with 4gb ram , maybe it was the ram
14:51.34ber532kI guess renaming can be ugly-ish some times ...
14:51.56J1sy[16:49:13] «J1sy» Hello people i want to install multiple DEs from debian usb, my rig is a xw8200
14:52.00abffIndeed, find | rename. lesson learned
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15:33.56maccampusHi, to a new user, would you recoment Debian or Ubuntu. Or maybe another distro ?
15:34.28towo`since you are in #debian, debian
15:35.13maccampusokay, but isn’t Ubuntu debian to ?
15:35.45Lowl3v3lmaccampus: ubuntu is the bastard son of debian sid and an idiotic company.
15:36.35BluesKajthat's kind od harsh
15:36.44BluesKajof
15:36.59maccampusSo Debian is better since the idoit company is not included
15:37.16Lowl3v3lmaccampus: if you follow my reasoning ;)
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15:37.49maccampusSo why the company is idiotic iyho
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15:39.26Lowl3v3lmaccampus: because canonical has had a famous history of really bad design decisions and does not treat the community really kindly. Apart from companies that want to make money being suspect in and of itself^^
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15:43.47j4ckcomhow can i install tor browser?
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15:44.37missmbobmaccampus: obviously. we didn't do stupid shit like mir and unity
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15:45.12Lowl3v3lmissmbob: and we didn't try to steal all your data to sell it to amazon.
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15:45.38missmbobyeah, that made me want to smack their mama
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15:46.13j4ckcomhow can i install tor browser?
15:46.19yhtj4ckcom, have you read https://wiki.debian.org/TorBrowser ?
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15:46.36missmbob,v torbrowser-launcher
15:46.39juddPackage: torbrowser-launcher on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports/contrib: 0.2.6-2~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.2.6-3.1; stretch/contrib: 0.2.6-3.1; experimental/contrib: 0.2.7-1
15:46.44maccampusmir is BSD, ain’t it
15:47.25missmbobmir is what ubuntu did because xorg is fucked. but instead of going to wayland like everyone else, they tried to do something themselves. and failed. they just cancelled mir. and unity
15:47.28Lowl3v3lmaccampus: this is the mir we refer to : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_(software) and nope, not bsd
15:47.50Lowl3v3lmissmbob: well they fail with every single one of their "lets do it ourselves"-projects
15:47.59missmbobyou'd think they'd learn
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15:48.41Lowl3v3llook at unity. they managed to build a desktop environment ON LINUX that people did not get to run on anything else over YEARS. I mean how stupid do you have to be?
15:48.58maccampusWhat does Android use ? Xorg, Wayland or MIR ?
15:49.37missmbobi have no idea
15:49.46missmbobi'm 100% certain it's not mir, though
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15:50.13Lowl3v3lmaccampus: iirc neither mir nor wayland, but i am not sure about xorg. could be, doubt it though
15:50.26Lowl3v3lmaccampus: NOBODY uses mir. literally NOBODY.
15:50.26towo`no, it's not xorg
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15:51.30towo`it uses an own window-system
15:51.51missmbobbut do they ever try to push crap on people. took what, five years of unity/mir crap before they called it quits? poor users
15:52.52maccampusand on all distro’s Xorg is being replaced by Wayland ?
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15:53.06missmbobnot replacing. setting it as default
15:53.16missmbobso you can install xorg if you'd rather
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15:54.20missmbobdebian buster will have wayland as default
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15:56.45maccampusAnd what do the main Unices do, what does Solaris & BSD do, are they shifting to wayland to ?
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15:57.26Lowl3v3lmaccampus: solaris is pretty much dead by now. NetBSD and FreeBSD are using xorg atm.
15:58.22missmbobi know freebsd is switching to wayland
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15:58.57missmbobhttps://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics/Wayland
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16:02.10blackflowmissmbob: there are no plans to default to wayland in freebsd for now
16:02.19missmbobbasically decisions in debian are made by a whole bunch of geeks with no agenda. ubuntu has a board of people and a CEO who MUST do it THEIR way
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16:02.51missmbobblackflow: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics says so. has it listed as "replacement for xorg"
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16:03.14missmboband WIP
16:03.35blackflowmissmbob: there are no official plans to default to wayland, regardless of that wiki. someone is trying to port it, that's all.
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16:04.00blackflowit lists "replacement for xorg" because that's what wayland is about -- to replce xorg
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16:06.18blackflowbtw, there is no default in freebsd. freebsd does not come with any gui, one can install whatever they want.
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16:08.15abffI think the real question is, who is developing wayland compositors for the debian repos right now?
16:08.48LilleJohnPlease say there is anyone that knows how to do a welcome page for a wifi guest channel ?
16:08.53abffI know weston is in sid but what others are there?
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16:09.42blackflowabff: kwin?
16:10.01blackflowand mutter for gnome
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16:10.27abffah yeah mutter
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16:10.33abffkwin I will have to read about
16:10.40blackflowit'd for kde
16:10.42blackflow's
16:10.56abffLilleJohn doesn't dd-wrt have a guest login page?
16:11.11abffopen-wrt*
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16:13.49abffblackflow I kind of like xfce's approach, they seem to be waiting for wayland to settle down before tackling it.
16:14.15maccampusDoes Charles Bishop works on Wayland ?
16:14.16LilleJohnor maybe anyone who knows how to edit tp-link wifi routers ? (i just want to do so guet gets a welcome page when connecting)
16:14.29missmbobno they're not. they're working as fast as possible to port everything to gtk3 which they need to do first to work on wayland
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16:15.15maccampusDoes it involves Yutani ?
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16:18.52blackflowmaccampus: yes: http://toaruos.org/yutani-the-new-compositor.html
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16:20.40maccampusSo the creators are Alien/Predator fans ?
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16:21.20blackflowPredator? Weyland-Yutani is from teh Alien mythos
16:21.38abffmissmbob potato tomato
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16:23.02blackflowactualy, Wayland is named after a town: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland,_Massachusetts
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16:23.32blackflowso all the Alien fans are misspelling it Weyland. And somoene did the Yutani compositor for teh lulz.
16:24.04BluesKajI have a tp-link TL-WDR3600, think you need to start with the gateway IP , but I don't see any options like the loading a welcome page
16:24.26BluesKajLilleJohn ^
16:24.38LilleJohnYou would not believe how many get the wrong information about things
16:24.43LilleJohnhello Blue :)
16:25.21BluesKajHi LilleJohn:-)
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16:26.00LilleJohnye, i think so too cuz it exists open wifi allready with welcome pages or just page when joining
16:26.25LilleJohnthou i cant find any info abut it on google
16:27.07LilleJohni might be jumping over the pages without knowing sense i do not know what to look for
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16:28.29TomTomTo1LilleJohn: i have it on my openwrt router. it's called dhcp splash. not sure if the tp-link firmware supports it but you can look for that.
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16:29.24LilleJohnthanks Tom for tipsing me :D
16:29.49LilleJohn(I am Swedish so i may say words that does not exists in English)
16:30.05LilleJohnunsure about tipsing :P
16:30.17blackflow(we'll make sure to consult the nonexisting english words fictionary)
16:30.42BluesKajLilleJohn, this a rther drastic solution , but perhaps dd-wrt has the options you're looking for https://www.dd-wrt.com/site/
16:31.02LilleJohnThanks Blue :D
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16:31.10abffLilleJohn is this what you mean? captive portal?
16:31.11abffhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_INbXBT2CRk
16:31.35BluesKajLilleJohn, that's ok, my Swedish is a little rusty :-)
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16:32.32LilleJohnI saw that it is for sale thou i do not want to pay for anything that i am doing for others so
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16:33.46LilleJohnI think a smart shearch is to look for what DD-WRT was named before and that way mayby find a free version
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16:34.22gburczhello
16:34.48txis it me you're..looking for~~?
16:35.11CuSnHi, I'd like to turn on local DNS caching. Anyone got a tip or pointer?
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16:35.32CuSntx: sorry to interrupt thesong.
16:35.36CuSn:-)
16:35.36BluesKajLilleJohn, sorry , try this https://openwrt.org/
16:36.03missmbob,i dnsmasq
16:36.04juddPackage dnsmasq (net, optional) in jessie/amd64: Small caching DNS proxy and DHCP/TFTP server. Version: 2.72-3+deb8u1; Size: 15.5k; Installed: 114k
16:36.10missmbobCuSn: ^
16:36.22CuSndanke
16:36.37BluesKajLilleJohn, I forgot the correct open source name
16:36.44CuSnmissmbob: al i do is install that,  or are there other steps to take as well?
16:36.52CuSn*all
16:37.12missmbobCuSn: and then set your /etc/resolv.conf to point to nameserver 127.0.0.1 or network-manager if you're using that
16:37.16TomTomTo1you have to check if the router model is supported first.
16:37.31LilleJohnIf any who wants to know this too then just say my nick and i will share if i now find a open sour....
16:37.33CuSnmissmbob: ok
16:37.47TomTomTo1and think about if you really want to do this just for one little feature.
16:37.50LilleJohnThanks Blue, and do not be sorry its not me whom is helping you xD
16:38.00missmbobCuSn: so whatever you use to configure your network, your dns server is now 127.0.0.1
16:38.21CuSnThere's no place like home. :-)
16:38.22missmbobCuSn: of course you should set secondary, etc. 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4
16:38.28LilleJohnlol, i had that page opend in a tab before i join this rom xD
16:38.30CuSnJa.
16:39.01LilleJohni was tight when i say i could be jumping over the pages without notice it
16:39.12missmbobi agree with TomTomTo1. think hard. you'll break that router pretty easily
16:39.22TomTomTo1Also, even if your router is supported by openwrt it doesn't mean you can get every feature to work. some routers only have 4mb flash and 32mb ram.
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16:39.28CuSnmissmbob: article on zackly that http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/localhost-dns-cache
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16:40.53LilleJohneh.. i love fixing stuff xD
16:41.31LilleJohnthou i think my router does not support it, i have C20i https://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices#TP-Link
16:41.49CuSnmissmbob: Did you remove Bind in order to install and use dnsmasq?
16:43.34LilleJohnI really should learn how to use terminal better -_- i am from the beginning a Windows user so
16:43.47LilleJohnstarted with dos
16:44.09CuSnby terminal, you mean "shell" or command line. :-)
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16:45.06txcommand.com I think you will find
16:45.08txis what he means.
16:45.55n4dira terminal seems pretty useless to me if you don't use a command line.
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16:46.05LilleJohnshelll
16:46.31txn4dir: not necessarily, you could just keep it in your application launcher (the icon)
16:46.34txto look like a hacker
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16:47.12CuSnJa, terminals are hardware. On Linus we have lots of different terminal emulations that we use in order to use the shell, or command line.
16:47.16CuSn*Linux
16:47.31LilleJohnI just bought a new energi drink today daamn it is good, It is called Celsius Cola
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16:48.33CuSnLilleJohn: keep the energy drink away fronm these: https://www.google.com/search?biw=1158&bih=746&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=Computer+terminals%28dec|lsi|adm|vt100|vt220|adds|visual%29&oq=Computer+terminals%28dec|lsi|adm|vt100|vt220|adds|visual%29&gs_l=img.3...12005.34498.0.34866.37.37.0.0.0.0.167.3133.33j4.37.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.1.118...0i30k1j0i5i30k1j0i8i30k1.6b8zketGmZY
16:48.52BluesKajLilleJohn, here's a list of openwrt supported routers https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start
16:49.00LilleJohnYe, i have learned that alreddy
16:49.15LilleJohnanyone in here who are using AMD Ryzen with linux maybe ?
16:50.46LilleJohnhahahaha
16:50.58LilleJohnSmart idea CuSn
16:51.52DreamanBluesKaj debian testing
16:52.09LilleJohni am actually on a laptop right now, i am really sruggeling with using it, sometimes im calm then next sec i am mad and want to burn it
16:52.37BluesKajDreaman, what about it?
16:53.01Dreamaninstall debian testin stretch
16:53.23BluesKajDreaman, I'm on Stretch
16:53.45Dreamanand
16:53.51BluesKajjust not atm
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16:55.51LilleJohni drank this energi 2 hours ago and im still speeded :O I am a cofein addict and i can tell you this is really not cofein
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16:55.58n4dirCuSn: i don't get you. What you mean "the shell or the commandline"
16:56.45BluesKajnobody ever corrected me for using the word "terminal"
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16:57.11n4dirterminal as a shortcut for teminal-emulator is pretty common.
16:57.22CuSnSome people coming from MacOS use the word "terminal" when they mean the shell.   Terminals are hardware devices or (mostly) software that emulates the display of a hardware terminal.
16:57.38TomTomTo1nobody cares..
16:57.45CuSnWe use terminal emulators to actually use the various shell's on Linux.
16:58.38BluesKajsemantics. most users know what I mean when I tell them to open a terminal
16:58.47CuSnSo the use of"terminal' for "shell" results in a misunderstanding of what and where the shell is. The screws people up when they start scripting etc.
16:59.18CuSnAnd especially when they start coding application that havet o actually control the terminal display.
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16:59.34CuSnSo, no. It's not just semantics. It ends up being a real issue.
16:59.49LilleJohnCuSn ye i have noticed that xD
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17:00.11LilleJohnBtw, if you have notheard of jasper project then you really should check it out
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17:01.19n4dirgreybot: In this context, a shell is a command interpreter. It reads commands, and performs actions.
17:01.30n4dirso: how would you want to use the shell without using commands?
17:01.57BluesKajwell i suppose in the strictest sense terminal can be misinterpreted by ppl new to scripting , but I haven't heard any complaints til now
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17:02.14CuSnBluesKaj: Clerly i need to work harder. :-)
17:02.19CuSn*clearly
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17:02.51LilleJohnn4dir, it is a difference sense windows uses none commands to install things (Another door you can call it)
17:03.22BluesKajCuSn, i do understand your concern tho ;-)
17:03.46CuSnI miss my decwriter....
17:04.29LilleJohnAnyone who wants to know why i converted myself in to debian ?
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17:05.04CuSnI'm sure the folks over in #ubuntu would like to hear about it... :-)
17:05.18LilleJohnok :P
17:05.29CuSn:D
17:05.44LilleJohnWell that just tells me i am in the rioght place
17:05.54CuSnoops. sorry thought i was in #snarky-linux.
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17:06.56Azrael_-any xen-friends in here and can give me a feedback regarding the xen-version in jessie?
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17:08.15LilleJohnOk its time to do the hard things -_- (compiling) i still havent gotten used to it
17:08.15BluesKajI still run Kubuntu as a tester on new test release verions such as 17.10 Artful atm, I won't abandon it, but I do like Debian alot too.
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17:09.56LilleJohnSeems that its a bin file, i guess its just to use directly
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17:17.25LilleJohnEhm, i guess theres no external sharing info rule in this ?
17:17.39LilleJohnsharing channel info*
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17:20.45LilleJohnim asking cuz i just did a room for what i am doing right now
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17:31.12acalycineHey. Why do I get all these errors on Debian 8.7? Trying to sudo apt-get update. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/17a3917b21d12ca0b6a198daa8e0f9e1
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17:36.54LilleJohnacalycine are you using "mousemove" ?
17:37.13acalycineWhat do you mean?
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17:37.23acalycineThe package?
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17:38.06LilleJohnit was nothing, sry
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17:45.40LilleJohnNice codes on it thou...
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17:46.52gburczwhy no one speak here?
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17:50.39LilleJohnmaybe there doing other things ?
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17:52.10acalycineAnybody?
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17:53.37cruncheracalycine, did you check the errors?
17:53.44acalycineWhere would they be?
17:53.51acalycineYou mean what I pasted?
17:54.02cruncherit seems that the main problem is you most probably have the arch wrong written somewhere
17:54.08cruncherbinary-ie86, instead of i386
17:54.33cruncherand i dont know about those ppa.launchapd repos...
17:54.37cruncheracalycine, yes
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17:54.59acalycineBut I don't see how my sources.list is malformed
17:55.19crunchermaybe oyu want to paste it
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17:56.47acalycineSure
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17:57.05acalycineIt has a .d at the end of it. Is that normal?
17:57.36cruncheracalycine, are you sure its a file and not a folder? ;-)
17:57.43acalycineha, yep.
17:57.50acalycinehttps://gist.github.com/anonymous/d216b915504899e1778c9a5d66dd8e86
17:58.12cruncherbut having said that, you most probably have files in that folder too
17:58.19LilleJohntime for me to chck it...
17:58.19cruncherand probably there is the/a error
17:58.25LilleJohntest*
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17:58.35acalycinei have some in .d, yes
17:59.19cruncher!mm
17:59.19dpkgi guess mm is Myanmar (Burma)
17:59.32crunchercan someone point out the factoid about deb multimedia?
17:59.46LilleJohni have no clue what i am looking at, what is  gistfile1.txt  ?
18:00.00acalycinesources.list
18:00.10LilleJohnye thou what is it for
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18:00.35acalycine??
18:01.06LilleJohnwell one can use it just to read it and other can use it for executing it and so on
18:01.11cruncheracalycine, i mean, look for errors in those files
18:01.24acalycineErrors like what, in sources.list?
18:01.35acalycineIt probably is the wrong archtype
18:02.00LilleJohnye you need robin hood as a archer hes better :P
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18:02.38cruncheracalycine, like i told you before, ie86 instead of i386, thing slike that
18:02.50acalycineWhere can I change that?
18:03.19cruncheracalycine, i told you, a variant is to open the file, read it and look for typos
18:03.45acalycineWhat file? I don't understand.
18:04.29sypheracalycine: Somehow, your system is looking for 'ie86' as the architecture, which obviously doesn't exist.
18:05.17acalycineUnderstood.
18:06.03sypherNow, why it doesn't know its own architecture... Good question.
18:06.18n4dirfrom what i see: besides that you also seem to have got all kind of repositories, debian-multimedia, ubuntu, mint and what not
18:06.33n4dir!frankendebian
18:06.33dpkgWhen you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess.  There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try.  See if you can convince ##linux to help.
18:07.00LilleJohni cant handle this acaly just check https://gist.github.com/_error.js
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18:08.35acalycineWhat exactly is that JS file and what do you mean by check it?
18:08.44acalycineGood advice, n4dir. I'll try there.
18:08.48sypherLilleJohn: Is that file somehow relevant to something that's on-topic in this channel?
18:08.58LilleJohnthe file is used for the link you 2 are going to
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18:09.40n4diracalycine: no need to try there. mixing repos is just plain wrong
18:09.42jellyacalycine, you probably made a typo trying to add i386 as foreign repo.  dpkg --remove-architecture ie86
18:09.46LilleJohni allways check how secure links are before using them
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18:10.13acalycineWorks like a treat, jelly.
18:10.21acalycineAlthough I haven't tried adding that i386.
18:10.22acalycineThanks.
18:10.54jelly!next
18:10.54dpkgAnother happy customer leaves the building.
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18:11.49sypherjelly: Wasn't aware you could select or remove architectures like that.
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18:13.18LilleJohnAnyhow, all who has used that link has given someone there ip adress..
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18:14.09LilleJohnhello
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18:16.02LilleJohnis it allways coming this many in the rom at the same time ?
18:16.10LilleJohnroom*
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18:19.54LilleJohn"my brain hurts. Well we just have to take it out then"  i am giving up for to day with the router editing
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18:20.32jellysypher, that's how multiarch is configured
18:20.53sypherjelly: Ah, that makes sense. I've never done multiarch, so I had no idea.
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18:23.25LilleJohnthe script that i got for the router is set up so that my router may get bricked so its alot of work -_-
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18:43.42BluesKajLilleJohn, yes it's a lot of work just for a greet page, you may want try a different method
18:43.59BluesKajwant to try
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18:46.45gburczguys i have debian testing and dont know how to use gnome wayland / it looks like everything is installed but cant find in gdm3 menu gnome-shell-wayland
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18:47.09syphergburcz: This channel focused on Debian stable. Testing support is in #debian-next on the OFTC network.
18:47.20gburczok
18:47.21teraflopgburcz: by default gnome session does wayland
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18:47.28teraflop^
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18:47.36teraflopgburcz: by default gnome session does wayland^
18:47.38teraflopxD
18:48.08teraflopgburcz: and there's a menu entry for gnome with xorg backend
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18:49.53gburczso gnome shell is now always in wayland in default?
18:50.01gburczin debian testing?
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18:56.03teraflopgburcz: gdm ues wayland by default (you can change it) and ig you pick gnome-shell in the gdm menu it does wayland. but there's a gnome xorg menu entry just below
18:56.20teraflopuses/if^ sorry
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21:09.33KjetilKI messed up a bit in a resize of a crypt system. I hope it is easier to fix the resizing than restore from backup...
21:10.02KjetilKe2fsck -f /dev/mapper/owl-home_crypt
21:10.05KjetilKsays
21:10.31KjetilKThe filesystem size (according to the superblock) is 29884416 blocks
21:10.51KjetilKThe physical size of the device is 29633024 blocks
21:11.40KjetilKand I'm not quite sure what the physical size would be, it is such an onion :-)
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21:12.35KjetilKI've tried to use lvresize to make up for the difference, but it changes nothing
21:13.12sn0wmonsterHow does one go about getting their software considered for release in Debian distro?
21:13.22sn0wmonsterWhether it be utilities, general applications or games?
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21:15.09KjetilKsn0wmonster, you can file an RFP: https://wiki.debian.org/RFP
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21:15.17sn0wmonsterty
21:16.05KjetilKbut it gets into a veeery long list, so you would most likely need to start talking with Debian devs who might be interested in it
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21:17.37Brigosn0wmonster, or you can package it yourself.
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21:18.43sn0wmonsterBrigo: is there any special process to packaging it oneself?
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21:20.33Brigosn0wmonster, yes, there is a policy
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21:20.57Brigosn0wmonster, if interested ask in #debian-mentors in oftc network
21:21.04sn0wmonsterty!
21:21.36Brigosn0wmonster, from the topic: https://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers
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