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| 00:04.31 | kingsley | # calc '3.4/3' |
| 00:04.52 | kingsley | What do you get? |
| 00:05.12 | kingsley | I get ~1.13333333333333333333 |
| 00:05.19 | kingsley | which has the wrong sign. |
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| 00:06.47 | mefistofeles | kingsley: when using what? |
| 00:06.53 | mefistofeles | is that a command? |
| 00:07.20 | dvs | kingsley, wrong sign? It's a tilde, not a hyphen |
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| 00:07.56 | missmbob | also offtopic |
| 00:08.48 | kingsley | mefistofeles: Sorry. Maybe I should have explained that the "calc" command is in the package named "apcalc". I got the same result with versions 2.12.5.0-1+b3 and 2.12.5.0-1. |
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| 00:09.16 | missmbob | there's ##math btw |
| 00:09.33 | kingsley | dvs: Thank you very much. As you pointed out, I now realize I mistook a tilde for a hyphen. |
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| 00:20.50 | Unline | . |
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| 00:22.34 | pac | ive got a PS3/PC game controller with deb8, i have installed xboxdrv and in /var/log/syslog I can see that the OS is at least mentioning it, but still the controller is totally unresponsive, and doesnt even light up. anyone know what I should try and troubleshoot next? |
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| 00:29.08 | joeyy | any one use zfs ? |
| 00:31.06 | sypher | !polls |
| 00:31.07 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 00:31.40 | johnkeates | i use zfs |
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| 00:50.32 | sim590 | how do I find wine gecko on debian? |
| 00:50.45 | sim590 | It is needed for lots of wine applications. |
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| 00:53.39 | missmbob | sim590: i dont use wine...my guess is sudo apt install winetricks will help you do that |
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| 00:55.45 | abrotman | sim590: you already have the answer? |
| 00:56.30 | sim590 | missmbob: I have tried winetricks, but it says "uknown arg" |
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| 00:58.30 | sim590 | abrotman: If you are talking about the unclear message you left me with, I dont consider that an answer. I'm not convinced Gecko can't be installed on debian when I read "No such thing". |
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| 01:02.58 | abrotman | sim590: you found the FTBFS bug, no? |
| 01:03.26 | sim590 | missmbob: https://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=24773 "gecko is no longer a winetricks verb. Most distros package wine-gecko". I'm wondering why Debian wouldn't be part of "most distributions". |
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| 01:04.53 | sim590 | abrotman: Yes, but I don't understand if gecko is provided by another package. When I do "apt search gecko", I get some results, but it's not directly related to wine. |
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| 01:05.16 | abrotman | wonders if it's sitting in WNPP |
| 01:06.19 | abrotman | nope, don't see it |
| 01:07.20 | un214 | at what point does upgrading to stretch sound like a good idea? |
| 01:07.33 | abrotman | un214: that's subjective |
| 01:07.41 | abrotman | some did it quite some time ago |
| 01:07.44 | un214 | fair enough |
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| 01:08.35 | un214 | I just hope the upgrade process is smart enough to honor that some packages are pinned to no as they would break my system |
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| 01:12.23 | un214 | hmm how to ask apt-get why it won't upgrade one package? |
| 01:13.46 | un214 | screw it broken package anyway |
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| 01:17.15 | sim590 | It seems I'm forced to run the binary from https://wiki.winehq.org/Gecko. IMO a package should be provided. |
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| 01:52.59 | un214 | well now I'm in a bad state |
| 01:53.10 | un214 | somehow my debian install used up > 100GB and filled up its disk |
| 01:53.15 | un214 | and apt is too broken to use right now |
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| 01:55.24 | Poster | Do you have separate partitions or is it one big / ? |
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| 01:56.01 | un214 | separate partitions |
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| 01:56.28 | un214 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.52 | un214 | actually I found the problem; 40 GB of trash in /root |
| 01:57.04 | Poster | Do you know where on your filesystem is consuming all that space? |
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| 01:57.10 | Poster | that'll do it :S |
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| 01:57.35 | un214 | anyway now I need to ask apt to ignore the fact the system is currently broken and re-download and install all packages |
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| 01:58.53 | un214 | and yeah no web browser right now |
| 01:59.08 | Poster | you can try: apt-get -f install |
| 01:59.12 | un214 | nope |
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| 01:59.19 | un214 | apt thinks apt is broken |
| 01:59.19 | apt | un214: okay |
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| 02:01.37 | un214 | basically I need apt to ignore the fact the system has broken dependencies |
| 02:01.53 | un214 | there's a pretty good chance that apt-get dist-upgrade would put most packages back |
| 02:05.58 | pingfloyd | un214: 100GB for debian?! |
| 02:06.14 | pingfloyd | something must have gone really wrong |
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| 02:10.36 | Poster | can you not run apt-get update? |
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| 02:13.36 | un214 | it ran |
| 02:13.51 | Poster | ok and now apt-get -f install ? |
| 02:14.12 | un214 | apt-get -f install spews about 60 lines of broken packages |
| 02:14.45 | Poster | pastebin? |
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| 02:14.53 | un214 | no GUI web browser |
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| 02:16.13 | un214 | I need to know how to unlock apt to allow it to function while depends are broken |
| 02:16.23 | un214 | rather than refusing everything |
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| 02:16.32 | Poster | rescue media probably |
| 02:16.42 | un214 | I can boot rescue but that won't unblock this system |
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| 02:21.31 | un214 | there we go I just apt-holepunhed out dependencies until apt-get -f install resolved |
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| 02:26.47 | Poster | if you have installation media, you can try mounting it and reinstalling apt* via dpkg, though it may be an older version |
| 02:27.02 | un214 | I don't this system was debootstrapped |
| 02:28.25 | un214 | all right let's retry the upgrade and hope that dpkg itself does the sane thing when unpack fails |
| 02:28.40 | un214 | I'll worry about unholepunching after |
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| 04:19.40 | un214 | I get local diversion of "/usr/bin/firefox" clashes with "/usr/bin/firefox-real" by firefox-esr |
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| 04:51.36 | random_numbers | Is firmware found in non-free blob or open-source but non-free because of license issues? |
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| 04:54.21 | somiaj | the drivers are usually refered to as open. The drivers themselves are dsfg free and part of the linux kernel. The drivers require the firmware which is usually provded by the manfacture and is closed, so yes it is a non-free blob. |
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| 04:55.42 | sn0wmonster | How would I go about getting someone to adopt my project in terms of proper FOSS/packaging advice and standards checking during its development? |
| 04:56.06 | random_numbers | somiaj: Ah, that's unfortunate. I thank you for the clarification. |
| 04:56.29 | sn0wmonster | Anyone here interested in pulling it under their wing and helping guide us to the right direction? |
| 04:56.39 | random_numbers | I was somewhat uncertain because of this: https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc/open_firmware |
| 04:57.12 | random_numbers | It made me wonder if the package was pre-packaged open or blobbed distribution. |
| 05:00.13 | somiaj | random_numbers: in many cases it is a distniction between the firmware being provided on the chips of the hardware itself or a seperate file which is easier for the manifucture to update. So just because a driver doesn't use additional non-free firmware, there still maybe nonfree firmawre on the device. There are some hardware that only tries to use open firmware |
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| 05:02.04 | somiaj | random_numbers: I'm unsure about the open firmware for the atheros chips. I do know that there is some effort in using open firmware. |
| 05:02.22 | random_numbers | somiaj: I see. So this particular case would mean I have a free driver, and some free firmware update that may or may not be the only firmware acutally running on the chip. |
| 05:02.23 | somiaj | my personal stance is if hardware is going to come with firmware, rather have them ship a file than flash the chipsets. |
| 05:02.51 | random_numbers | somiaj: It would make trying to make your own significantly less troublesome. |
| 05:02.52 | somiaj | random_numbers: correct, the driver itself is open, but it needs to talk to non-free firmware in conjection with the hardware. |
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| 05:05.56 | Sevak | hey guys, I'm having trouble with jack audio. I get sound without the server running, but when I start the server it stops all youtube videos and yoshimi doesn't make a sound even though I see the meter go up. I'm on a Surface pro 4 |
| 05:06.28 | Sevak | any help is greatly appreciated |
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| 05:12.41 | Sevak | this is a virtual machine btw |
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| 05:20.30 | mel00010 | Do you have pulseaudio installed as well? |
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| 06:24.54 | Aebian | heyho, can someone guide me what exactly is wrong with this cron error? https://gist.github.com/Aebian/8a264045125742444423d6a7ddc0e2bf I looked up in /etc/logrotate.d/mysql-server and the files given in the error but I'm not 100% sure whats the cause of it. |
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| 06:26.06 | Aebian | the file in /etc/cron.daily/logrotate as far as I see just runs a test -X command with logrotate |
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| 06:27.58 | mel00010 | does this article help? https://lornajane.net/posts/2008/Logrotate-Error-on-Ubuntu |
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| 06:35.26 | Aebian | mel00010: hmm I guess yes, I'm gonna try that, thanks |
| 06:35.49 | mel00010 | happy to help |
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| 06:44.35 | navidr | I am running debian inside of my qemu virtual machin, No matter what I do I cannot start networking to work , what should I do ? |
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| 06:56.15 | navidr | I fixed it ;) |
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| 06:57.18 | Noise1 | hi |
| 06:58.03 | likcoras | 55 |
| 06:58.48 | Noise1 | does anyone here have any knowledge about the Whonix OS? |
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| 07:12.05 | jelly | !whonix |
| 07:12.14 | dpkg | Whonix is a Linux distribution based on Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. http://whonix.org/ #whonix on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 08:06.26 | bazhang | newbie123, #raspbian for that support |
| 08:06.39 | newbie123 | OKay |
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| 08:11.35 | Lope | my laptop just did a hard restart (like instant) while I was coding. Low CPU usage and it's on a cooling pad so it could not have been overheat. It's plugged in to power and the batt is fully charged. It's never done that before. Any ideas? |
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| 08:13.47 | pikaro | hi! when I leave X with ctrl+alt+backspace and log back in again, nothing happens - my session doesn't start. ~/.xsession-errors and /vr/log/Xorg.0.log have nothing relevant. why is this likely happening? running sid, tested with i3 and compiz. |
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| 08:14.35 | pikaro | suggestions for more appropriate log files to look at would probably be enough |
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| 08:17.40 | pikaro | oh and lightdm, sorry |
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| 08:18.12 | bazhang | sid? |
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| 08:18.29 | pikaro | yes |
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| 08:34.52 | blackflow | Lope: no, 'man lastlog' for more info about it. As for your problem, I've had things like that happen with intel gfx drivers. |
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| 08:35.20 | blackflow | Lope: you want 'journalctl', or to see last few errors, journalctl -n -p err |
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| 08:52.32 | Lope | blackflow: thanks for the info about last log |
| 08:52.34 | Lope | lastlog |
| 08:53.04 | Lope | `journalctl -n -p err` Command not found. |
| 08:53.08 | Lope | Running ubuntu 14.04 |
| 08:53.13 | Lope | on this system sorry. |
| 08:54.14 | Lope | I forgot, I've got debian in some places and ubuntu in others. I guess 14.04 is not fully systemd. |
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| 08:54.38 | blackflow | ... |
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| 08:55.15 | Lope | I checked the logs though, and there was nothing at the time of the crash. |
| 08:55.20 | blackflow | then check /var/log/messages, dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 08:55.36 | Lope | Proobably a hardware problem. Maybe ram is loose or something. I'll run a full memtest tonight. |
| 08:55.41 | blackflow | and at this point, you should continue ask in #ubuntu. |
| 08:57.06 | Lope | thanks bud |
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| 10:12.57 | rpd_ | hi, I have an iptables firewall and I get tons of logs from it and am looking for a tool with which I can do custom analytics on the data, such as generating top talkers, geoip distribution etc., is there any open source tool that will parse the iptable logs and provide a query interface to make customizable dashboards ? |
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| 10:16.41 | p0g0__ | rpd_: with some work, you may find "shorewall" attractive, as the data source. It has no GUI or dashboard, but is a good iptables manager and will make text reports readily. |
| 10:16.44 | CrazyTux | hello.. what are the pros and cons of .deb packaging as compared to others like rpm etc? |
| 10:17.09 | bazhang | CrazyTux, what do you mean advantages |
| 10:17.52 | CrazyTux | bazhang, new to linux. I think I couln't phrase my question properly? |
| 10:18.15 | CrazyTux | what are the differences between them? |
| 10:19.00 | CrazyTux | why there is no single packaging system across all the distros? |
| 10:19.09 | bazhang | CrazyTux, is there more a 'want to know' nothing to do with an installation type question, or an actual issue you are having creating them |
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| 10:19.15 | Shadur | In the debian-installer preseed.cfg, is it possible to point at an authorized_keys file as opposed to an URL for network installs? |
| 10:19.49 | CrazyTux | bazhang, no actual issue. |
| 10:20.18 | bazhang | CrazyTux, what actual issue, or did you mean just want to chat about it |
| 10:20.24 | rpd_ | p0g0__: interesting will check it out |
| 10:20.28 | CrazyTux | I was curious if one is faster than the other. or one is more efficient than the other. |
| 10:20.44 | bazhang | CrazyTux, so just the chat one |
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| 10:21.00 | CrazyTux | bazhang, I am new to linux. Just wanted to know. |
| 10:21.18 | bazhang | CrazyTux, what have you tried in both system so far |
| 10:21.50 | CrazyTux | I have tried distros like Debian and Fedora/Korora.. |
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| 10:22.09 | bazhang | CrazyTux, I mean what packaging |
| 10:23.12 | CrazyTux | I am not a developer. Just an end user. I saw that different distros use different packaging. Was just curious to know why there is not a single packaging. |
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| 10:23.52 | bazhang | CrazyTux, you dont need to be a developer to learn packaging |
| 10:24.00 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 10:24.17 | Lowl3v3l | CrazyTux: because the single best way has yet to be found ( and would be difficult afaik, since e.g. gentoo has a completely different goal than debian) |
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| 10:24.49 | bazhang | CrazyTux, and there is no 'this is more efficient thatn the other ' answer, as it depends on your knowledge, what tools you are familiar with, the kind of thing only you can answer |
| 10:24.51 | p0g0__ | well, and "branding"- a means to differentiate your product from all the rest... |
| 10:25.14 | bazhang | CrazyTux, so do some packaging for both and then decide |
| 10:25.41 | CrazyTux | bazhang, I'll learn it and try. |
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| 10:28.04 | bazhang | CrazyTux, the debian wiki has a guide for that, and I am sure the feodra/suse does as well |
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| 10:29.04 | BluesKaj | 'Morning folks |
| 10:29.13 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 10:38.34 | g0zzy | What's the best way to stop iptables in Jessie? |
| 10:39.19 | Brigo | i have installed libreoffice-pdfimport, a libreoffice-extension, but i can't see in in the extension manager. Nothin in the readme, or in bugs, so, what i am doing wrong? or can i check? |
| 10:40.15 | missmbob | g0zzy: sudo iptables -F |
| 10:40.23 | blackflow | uhm |
| 10:40.40 | blackflow | be careful if you have policy DROP on INPUT and this is over ssh |
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| 10:50.54 | EyaA | deb |
| 10:51.00 | EyaA | ) |
| 10:51.07 | EyaA | ian |
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| 10:52.27 | g0zzy | missmbob: thanks. Was expecting now some systemctl command |
| 10:52.45 | missmbob | g0zzy: it's not a daemon. it's a kernel thing |
| 10:53.12 | g0zzy | Ah OK. And thanks blackflow for the warning |
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| 10:56.53 | g0zzy | Thanks again folks |
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| 10:56.58 | heller_ | hey |
| 10:57.07 | heller_ | is there a simple console command to test if smtp works? |
| 10:57.29 | jolt | heller_: http://yuki-onna.co.uk/email/smtp.html |
| 10:57.30 | missmbob | echo "test" |mail foo@foo.com |
| 10:57.42 | jolt | missmbob: That was smarter! |
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| 11:19.15 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 11:19.15 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 11:33.48 | enki | modulename -> kernel config name ?; I've booted a livedvd; I want to make a custom kernel, with the used modules baked in ! Is there an easy way to acomplish this ? |
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| 11:35.45 | blackflow | enki: yes. use lspci (with -vv) to list modules in use for the hardware, and also see lsmod. Then you can search those names when you run menuconfig kernel configuration. |
| 11:36.30 | blackflow | enki: question, tho'. why do you want that? |
| 11:37.09 | enki | blackflow: yeah doing it manualy is what i wanted to avoid... :) |
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| 11:37.38 | blackflow | enki: why do you want that anyway? |
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| 11:39.18 | brenlae | anybody here get spotify working on Debian Stretch? |
| 11:39.18 | enki | blackflow: everything works fine with the livedvd, but there are some non HW specific tweaks i need |
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| 11:39.41 | blackflow | enki: like what? I'm asking because there may be an easier way than rebuilding the kernel |
| 11:40.09 | enki | blackflow: instead of generic i686 cpu, i want pentiumM |
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| 11:40.40 | enki | blackflow: well thats actually HW :) |
| 11:41.08 | jelly | enki: did you see any measurable benefit from running a custom kernel? |
| 11:41.48 | enki | cpufreq isnt working for some reason |
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| 11:41.59 | enki | its stuck on the lowest speed |
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| 11:42.24 | brenlae | nobody uses spotify on stretch? ok |
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| 11:46.30 | blackflow | enki: do you even need it? |
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| 11:47.21 | enki | blackflow: not really, its just a hobby thing. Ive made a steampunk looking machine from an old laptop... |
| 11:48.06 | brenlae | i have a queston - i am learning c++ currently, is there any resources for Linux libraries? like opengl or gtk or what have you? |
| 11:48.24 | blackflow | enki: are you a bot? :) every question you've been asked you reply with something unrelated. |
| 11:48.59 | enki | blackflow: shall we do a turing test ? no, im not a bot ! :) |
| 11:49.10 | brenlae | hehe |
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| 11:49.57 | nuka-cola | lol |
| 11:49.58 | blackflow | that's the first thing I'd program the bot to say if asked "are you a bot" :) |
| 11:50.33 | petn-randall | dpkg: are you a bot? |
| 11:50.33 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 11:50.40 | n4dir | lol |
| 11:50.43 | petn-randall | :) |
| 11:50.50 | blackflow | see? the proof is in the pudding. |
| 11:51.17 | BluesKaj | pudding bot |
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| 11:51.33 | brenlae | later everyone :) |
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| 11:52.10 | blackflow | enki: can you raed tihs? huamns can as lnog as frist and lsat letter are the smae. |
| 11:52.11 | petn-randall | Well, that's something a human would say posing as a bot, right? I'm still convinced dpkg is some dude living in the basement of his parents, eager to help everyone in here who asks. Prove me otherwise. :) |
| 11:52.38 | petn-randall | blackflow: As long as we talk with captchas we should be safe. |
| 11:53.02 | blackflow | lol |
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| 11:55.37 | enki | blackflow: Why do you say that ? ( is the answer the emacs psychotherapis gave :) |
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| 12:28.28 | biaszek | hi there. on a gateway vm i want to filter forward traffic with forward iptables rules (no input, ouput, nat or whatsoever) that rely on interface names like eth0, eth1. while eth0 is the uplink interface and thus shall be accessible to all other networks, the network behind the interface shall only to be able to eth0, and not with other attached networks. so i tried to set default policy accept for input and and output and forward on |
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| 12:30.26 | plasmoduck | biaszek: #iptables |
| 12:30.57 | biaszek | then iptables -A FORWARD -i eth3 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT and iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -j ACCEPT. this does not work. can anybody help? |
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| 12:38.52 | jolt | biaszek: did you set ip forward in sysctl as well? |
| 12:41.17 | biaszek | @jolt yes. net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
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| 12:47.53 | jolt | biaszek: Try the #iptables channel. But as a hint, try and use tcpdump on the gw to see if the packets are a) received on first interface, b) sent on second interface and c) if they are received on the final destination. Also verify if traffic from dest is received back on the gw, so there isnt any NATing that is needed or something |
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| 12:49.06 | biaszek | jolt: thank you. i 'll try. |
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| 12:51.46 | sine0 | folks, how can i force an update of a particular software im running? Irssi has a security release but when i update/upgrade the version is the same |
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| 12:52.31 | Brigo | sine0, downloading it and installing with dpkg? |
| 12:52.31 | petn-randall | sine0: What does 'apt-cache policy irssi' return? You can paste it on http://paste.debian.net (please don't use pastebin.com). |
| 12:53.28 | sine0 | http://paste.debian.net/929109/ |
| 12:53.51 | petn-randall | ,v irssi |
| 12:53.52 | judd | Package: irssi on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.15-5; wheezy-security: 0.8.15-5+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 0.8.17-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 0.8.17-1+deb8u1; jessie: 0.8.17-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 1.0.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.0.2-1; sid: 1.0.2-1 |
| 12:54.22 | petn-randall | sine0: Even though you're not running Debian (but rasbian), that is the current release in wheezy. |
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| 12:54.56 | petn-randall | sine0: Do you have a CVE for the security bug? It's likely patched in that version. |
| 12:55.29 | jelly | sine0: you're on raspbian, so if there are any security patches available for that distro (kind of unlikely, but possible), #raspbian channel ought to know about them |
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| 12:55.51 | sine0 | oh yea im sorry i forgot. my other boxes are debian, but i run irssi on the pi... |
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| 12:56.02 | sine0 | i just assume debian all the time |
| 12:56.35 | jelly | if you have a r.pi 3 you can get actual debian running on it |
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| 12:57.45 | sine0 | I was going to get one (probaly still will) but i inhereted an i5 also on the home lan |
| 12:58.02 | sine0 | i guess i should let htat take over |
| 12:58.15 | sine0 | but the pi is good for WOL |
| 12:59.42 | teraflops | wake on lan? |
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| 13:01.14 | jelly | wessel of linux |
| 13:02.21 | sine0 | yea |
| 13:02.30 | sine0 | if i dont want the pure on all the time. |
| 13:02.33 | sine0 | pute |
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| 13:07.00 | teraflops | til |
| 13:07.43 | teraflops | I run proper stock debian on a few SBCs too |
| 13:08.03 | teraflops | banana pis and odroids |
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| 13:26.40 | dionysus69 | is a linux kernel problem? CPU load is 100% when I am copying two large files, I am downloading one from network and downloading one from USB |
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| 13:27.35 | julius | hi |
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| 13:28.32 | julius | when doing: LANG='C'; cp debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso /dev/sdc cp asks me if i want to override /dev/sdc... according to this: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.de its the right way to copy a image to a usb stick....but why is it asking me to overwrite? |
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| 13:29.10 | petemc | julius: in case you typed that by mistake |
| 13:29.24 | jhutchins_wk | julius: Well, you are going to overwrite anything on that device. |
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| 13:31.27 | psusi | does anyone know how to get in touch with the admins of lists.alioth.debian.org? it stopped delivering mail to me a few days ago ( even tried subscribing a new address ), and the postman@ contact listed on the web site bounces with 550 prohibited |
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| 13:38.08 | themill | psusi: do you mean mailman@ ? |
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| 13:38.50 | psusi | themill, err, yea... |
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| 13:39.10 | themill | psusi: there's a #alioth on irc.oftc.net that can help |
| 13:39.40 | jhutchins_wk | How does an email address give an HTML response code? |
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| 13:40.06 | psusi | jhutchins_wk: it doesn't.. it gives an SMTP response code ;) |
| 13:40.11 | themill | it's an SMTP code (and it would be HTTP not HTML) |
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| 13:51.19 | Tarap | hello |
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| 13:54.04 | Tarap | I use Debian since a long time and I begin to understand how the package system works, but... I am confused about one I am interested in : seq24 |
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| 13:54.37 | huwjr | anyone know of an LSI / broadcom iRC channel? |
| 13:54.52 | Stummi | Tarap, whats the problem? |
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| 13:55.58 | Tarap | Hi. It is in the lists https://packages.debian.org/jessie/sound/seq24 and https://packages.debian.org/sid/sound/seq24 |
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| 13:56.21 | Stummi | right |
| 13:56.25 | Tarap | but apt says it is no more installable |
| 13:56.38 | Tarap | So, I'm confused about its future ... ? |
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| 13:57.57 | Stummi | Tarap, https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=seq24 |
| 13:57.59 | netman1 | Hi All. Got a nice debian pxe netboot install environment running with all bells and whistles but keep running into partman. Is there a description of how to run the parted-udeb scripted from the debian installer? |
| 13:58.14 | jelly | ,v seq24 |
| 13:58.15 | judd | Package: seq24 on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.2-2; wheezy: 0.9.2-2; sid: 0.9.3-1 |
| 13:58.29 | jelly | Tarap: which debian release are you using? |
| 13:58.35 | Tarap | Ah, I'll look at this. Thanks. |
| 13:58.47 | Stummi | Tarap, theres a "serious" bug with seq24, which was not fixed. Thats why it was removed from testing due to freezing |
| 13:59.16 | Tarap | I'm in stable. |
| 13:59.51 | Stummi | it should be there in stable |
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| 14:00.35 | Tarap | Oh sry, I'm in stretch |
| 14:01.06 | Stummi | Tarap, as said, the package was removed from stretch. You could pin it from unstable |
| 14:01.08 | Tarap | (I did change it, I just tried unstable and stable these days) |
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| 14:06.31 | paul_grozav | Hello, does anyone know of a tool something like multitail that keeps a tail -f on a regex path and redirects all new lines to another file. I need the tool to be aware of the newly created files that match that regex pattern. A simple pattern like /var/log/*.log |
| 14:06.43 | Tarap | My apologies, I was stupid. Thanks for the replies. |
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| 14:11.48 | greycat | What package/program do I need to mount a Windows SMB share as a file system on Debian? |
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| 14:12.53 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Samba Client. |
| 14:12.56 | petemc | i have cifs-utils and smbclient on a minimal install and it works |
| 14:13.11 | jhutchins_wk | Might only need cifs-utils. |
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| 14:13.36 | greycat | Ah, no wonder I couldn't find it with "apt-cache search smb" |
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| 14:14.51 | choice | Strange, I thought "stat <filename>" would show the creation time. But it only shows Access/Modify/Change. |
| 14:15.09 | choice | What is the difference between Modify and Change, and is there no way to see the creation time? |
| 14:15.17 | greycat | Creation time is not one of the traditionally stored values, but ext4 does store it. Secretly. |
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| 14:15.39 | greycat | It's called "birth". |
| 14:15.47 | choice | It says "Birth: -" |
| 14:16.08 | greycat | OK, then it's not stored in your file system. Maybe I was wrong about ext4 having it. |
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| 14:16.26 | jhutchins_wk | choice: The reason is that in many modify operations a new copy of the file is written, so the "birth"/creation time is unreliable. |
| 14:16.27 | petemc | it should do, ive got it using debugfs before |
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| 14:16.39 | choice | I see. |
| 14:16.57 | greycat | Traditional Unix file systems ONLY store mtime, atime and ctime, NOT creation/birth time. |
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| 14:18.21 | choice | mount say it's an ext4 filesyste with noatime setting. |
| 14:18.34 | jelly | !crtime |
| 14:18.34 | dpkg | Some filesystems may store creation time after all, even if POSIX APIs don't expose it. Ext4 does. E.g., to check how long ago your root filesystem root directory was created: f="/"; dev=`df -P "$f"|tail -n1|awk '{print $1}'`; i=`stat -c%i "$f"`; sudo debugfs -R"stat <$i>" "$dev" 2>&1|grep ^crtime |
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| 14:18.56 | jelly | easy peasy oneliner! |
| 14:19.01 | jelly | hides |
| 14:20.13 | jelly | crtime: 0x55f99d2d:00000000 -- Wed Sep 16 18:47:41 2015 |
| 14:20.16 | paul_grozav | Anyone knows of a good log monitoring tool that can watch newly created logs? |
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| 14:21.14 | jhutchins_wk | paul_grozav: tail -f? |
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| 14:22.03 | paul_grozav | jhutchins_wk: it only watches files that exist when the program starts |
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| 14:22.50 | paul_grozav | jhutchins_wk: I'm using multitail now, that detects newly created files (created after multitail started) but, it has other problems, can not redirect content to another file |
| 14:23.08 | greycat | What in the hell does "redirect content to another file" mean? |
| 14:23.44 | jan75 | probably something like "cat x.txt > y.txt"? |
| 14:24.21 | greycat | If you mean "concatentate every line written to every /var/log/* file to /secret/monsterlog" then you are attacking the problem from the wrong direction. |
| 14:24.32 | greycat | Reconfigure syslog instead. |
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| 14:28.12 | paul_grozav | greycat: Yes, that's what I mean, creating a monsterlog, except that will be a pipe, not actually written to hdd. And the logs are generated by a custom app, I don't know if syslog can manage that |
| 14:28.45 | greycat | Reconfigure syslog to send a copy of all log messages to your remote monster-logging host. |
| 14:28.55 | paul_grozav | greycat: What approach do you think would fit best? |
| 14:29.05 | jhutchins_wk | paul_grozav: rsyslog |
| 14:29.09 | greycat | Does your custom app call syslog() at all? |
| 14:29.16 | paul_grozav | greycat: no |
| 14:29.25 | paul_grozav | greycat: it does not call syslog() |
| 14:29.33 | greycat | Then you'll have to figure out what it *does*, and work around that. |
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| 14:31.43 | paul_grozav | greycat: The log generator (server) will create a folder with timestamp name when it starts. Then, for each client will create a new file client00.log client01.log, ... That's the way the logs are created. So would like a stream of data written to any client log that is not sensitive to server restart |
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| 14:32.49 | petn-randall | paul_grozav: Which application is that? |
| 14:33.04 | paul_grozav | petn-randall: custom one, written by me :-) |
| 14:33.23 | greycat | Then you can change it to *also* call syslog() whenever it writes a log message. |
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| 14:34.49 | paul_grozav | greycat: I am willing to migrate from the custom logging mechanism to syslog. But is there a way to log through syslog and group all messages per client file, and all client files per session folder ? |
| 14:35.16 | greycat | systelog has "facility" and "level". man 3 syslog |
| 14:35.17 | paul_grozav | greycat: or should I keep both logging mechanisms, and log all messages twice to the hdd |
| 14:35.48 | greycat | I did say "*also*" |
| 14:36.04 | petn-randall | I'd also go with syslog when possible, and log to the local0 to local7 facitlities. |
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| 14:36.21 | greycat | A message sent to a customized syslog facility+level can be configured in *syslog.conf to go to a named pipe, or to a remote host socket, etc. |
| 14:37.08 | jelly | petn-randall: both rsyslog and syslog-ng can be configured to automagically create a different log file per host |
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| 14:37.37 | greycat | I assume that means "when receiving messages from a client host over a socket" |
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| 14:40.18 | paul_grozav | greycat: Thanks, you gave me something to study: syslog. Is there any other approach (without changing the code) ? |
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| 14:41.34 | petn-randall | You could call the 'logger' executable, but that's only a hack I'd use if you can't easily change the code. |
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| 14:42.21 | greycat | Generally you should only use logger(1) if your application is a shell script that can't call syslog(3) any other way. |
| 14:42.58 | greycat | The only other rational approach is to have your application send all log output to stderr or stdout, and have a separate program handle it from there. |
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| 14:43.42 | petn-randall | I used it for apache2 since I don't want to fork it and it doesn't allow to send the CustomLog to syslog :/. |
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| 14:44.33 | paul_grozav | OK, thank you. I'll try to write a simple program with syslog and play with it for a day or two and then maybe I'll come back if I have other questions. Thank you ! |
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| 14:56.20 | jasonwc | I'm seeing a weird issue. I recently installed a Mellanox 10Gbe SFP+ NIC (Mellanox Technologies MT26448 [ConnectX EN 10GigE, PCIe 2.0 5GT/s] (rev b0)). The NIC works fine after startup with a manually assigned IP (I am using this for a point-to-point link between two servers without a switch). However, when I resume my server from standby, the 10Gbit ethernet NIC shows its static IP but the |
| 14:56.20 | jasonwc | connection light is off and attempting to ping the other end fails. ATtempting to do "ifdown eth2" appears to kill the SSH connection (and I can't log back in - even through the regular Gigabit NIC. I don't know where it's killing the SSH daemon or crashing the machine as there is no physical monitor/keyboard attached. |
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| 15:07.21 | mete | anyone know when stretch will become stable? |
| 15:07.30 | greycat | when the RC bug count hits 0 |
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| 15:08.22 | mete | ok, then it will take a while :D |
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| 15:09.10 | jasonwc | greycat: I recall reading that Jessie released with 80 RC bugs |
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| 15:10.36 | n0nada | Hey guys, Im trying to do a netinst with a USB. I created the bootable USB with Rufus. But I get the error "There was a problem reading data from the CD-ROM. Please make sure it is in the drive. " |
| 15:10.40 | huwjr | New server with an LSI 3008 controller, if I can detect disks during the initial install of debian does that indicate that my raid controller is supports JBOD? |
| 15:11.07 | huwjr | setup raid 1 as an md raid but it’s not booting |
| 15:11.12 | huwjr | not sure wtf is up |
| 15:11.47 | nkuttler | n0nada: do you get when booting the installer? |
| 15:12.05 | n0nada | I get it after choosing language etc |
| 15:12.30 | mete | n0nada: have you checked the hash of the downloaded iso? |
| 15:12.40 | nkuttler | n0nada: sounds like your image is corrupt |
| 15:12.51 | themill | !rufus |
| 15:12.51 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 15:12.53 | nkuttler | either download or usb stick is faulty |
| 15:12.56 | FreddyP | or the image did not copy to your stick correctly |
| 15:13.08 | n0nada | I have downloaded it twice and re-installed it several times to the usb |
| 15:13.39 | mete | that's why I mount iso files through ipmi :D |
| 15:13.43 | nkuttler | n0nada: then i'd bet on the usb. but it could also be the usb controller, cable or something i guess |
| 15:14.09 | FreddyP | as dpkg pointed out rufus is buggy software |
| 15:14.46 | BluesKaj | n0nada, do you have usb set to boot first in the boot sequence in the uefi/bios |
| 15:15.04 | nkuttler | BluesKaj: the installer boots just fine |
| 15:15.05 | n0nada | BluesKaj: Yes |
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| 15:16.08 | BluesKaj | oj,missed that part |
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| 15:18.08 | n0nada | Ill test another stick, thanks! |
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| 15:18.20 | BluesKaj | yeah rufus worked for kubuntu, dunno why it won't for debian, I know unetbootin is mostly hopeless |
| 15:18.28 | nkuttler | n0nada: and stop using this rufus thing |
| 15:18.47 | n0nada | nkuttler: What should i use? |
| 15:19.05 | nkuttler | n0nada: no idea, haven't used windows since 2k |
| 15:19.14 | n0nada | i have used Rufus many times before without any issues |
| 15:19.20 | themill | what dpkg said |
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| 15:19.40 | BluesKaj | nkuttler, don't think he has much choice unless he can use a livecd |
| 15:19.49 | nkuttler | <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager> |
| 15:19.56 | nkuttler | !win32diskimager |
| 15:19.57 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 15:20.04 | n0nada | win32diskimager does not take iso |
| 15:20.09 | n0nada | only .ING |
| 15:20.15 | n0nada | .IMG * |
| 15:20.16 | nkuttler | ^^read |
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| 15:20.39 | themill | "img" is meaningless |
| 15:21.18 | BluesKaj | n0nada, read the dpkg post |
| 15:21.37 | n0nada | Ok, great! |
| 15:21.38 | n0nada | Will do! |
| 15:21.39 | n0nada | thansk! |
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| 15:23.17 | bhuvi | !nextcloud |
| 15:23.17 | dpkg | hmm... nextcloud is a fork of owncloud. https://nextcloud.com |
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| 15:24.17 | huwjr | any suggests for getting an LSI 3008 working with debian plx? |
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| 15:25.24 | plasmoduck | Im currently using the nvidia-driver proprietry |
| 15:25.48 | plasmoduck | But I'd like to reinstall it to ensure I'm getting the most recent driver version. How can I do this? |
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| 15:26.29 | nkuttler | plasmoduck: how did you install it? |
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| 15:28.43 | plasmoduck | apt install nvidia-driver |
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| 15:29.58 | plasmoduck | system is using driver version 340.101 but the nvidia site has version 375.39 |
| 15:30.00 | nkuttler | plasmoduck: reinstalling won't give you a new version, unless the package was upgraded |
| 15:30.04 | nkuttler | ,v nvidia-driver |
| 15:30.05 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.101-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie-proposed-updates/non-free: 340.102-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.39-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.39-1; sid/non-free: 375.39-1 |
| 15:30.06 | plasmoduck | so I'm a bit behind |
| 15:30.24 | nkuttler | !tell plasmoduck about backports |
| 15:30.30 | BluesKaj | plasmoduck, install dkms , then nvidia-detect , then run nvidia-detect |
| 15:30.30 | plasmoduck | Okay, well I'd like to remove the debian packages and install the binary driver myself |
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| 15:30.58 | nkuttler | plasmoduck: no, use the backport |
| 15:31.06 | greycat | You really would not "like" that. |
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| 15:31.30 | plasmoduck | nkuttler: I already have in my sources.list deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie-backports main |
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| 15:31.44 | nkuttler | plasmoduck: so you real question is how to install it? |
| 15:31.47 | greycat | So install the package from jessie-backports. |
| 15:31.49 | plasmoduck | yes |
| 15:31.53 | plasmoduck | How? |
| 15:31.59 | greycat | !jessie-backports |
| 15:32.00 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
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| 15:32.09 | nkuttler | plasmoduck: apt-get install with -t |
| 15:32.35 | plasmoduck | The value 'nvidia-driver' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 15:32.46 | nkuttler | plasmoduck: yeah, that's not a release |
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| 15:33.03 | plasmoduck | huh? |
| 15:33.05 | nkuttler | you need a release, like sid, testing, or jessie-backports |
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| 15:33.08 | BluesKaj | ok too many cooks , even tho my method worked perfectly |
| 15:33.12 | nkuttler | see man apt-get |
| 15:33.21 | nkuttler | BluesKaj: no |
| 15:33.37 | BluesKaj | for me it dd |
| 15:33.46 | nkuttler | yeah, you have other requirements |
| 15:33.47 | BluesKaj | did rather |
| 15:34.14 | BluesKaj | doesn't work on jessie? |
| 15:34.18 | plasmoduck | I know how to use apt get |
| 15:34.51 | nkuttler | plasmoduck: yet you are asking how to use it |
| 15:35.42 | plasmoduck | well what am I missing on my backports line in sources.list |
| 15:35.44 | plasmoduck | thats all |
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| 15:36.15 | plasmoduck | This is the line I have |
| 15:36.16 | plasmoduck | # jessie-backports |
| 15:36.16 | plasmoduck | deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie-backports main |
| 15:36.28 | nkuttler | plasmoduck: contrib non-free |
| 15:36.44 | plasmoduck | cjg@ataraxia:~$ sudo apt install -t jessie nvidia-driver |
| 15:36.53 | plasmoduck | Reading state information... Done |
| 15:36.54 | plasmoduck | nvidia-driver is already the newest version. |
| 15:36.54 | plasmoduck | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 15:37.04 | nkuttler | plasmoduck: you don't want jessie but jessie-backports |
| 15:37.06 | themill | good thing you already know how to use apt-get. |
| 15:37.06 | mtn | heh |
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| 15:37.27 | nkuttler | this will be fun if the backported driver breaks on your system.. |
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| 15:37.54 | plasmoduck | I just want to play The Shadow Of Mordor |
| 15:38.04 | plasmoduck | but it says my video card is not supported |
| 15:38.15 | plasmoduck | but people are playing it in windows with dx11 |
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| 15:38.23 | plasmoduck | and people on linux |
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| 15:38.31 | plasmoduck | so im guessing its the driver version |
| 15:38.52 | plasmoduck | people on ubuntu can play it |
| 15:39.00 | nkuttler | plasmoduck: just install the driver already |
| 15:39.07 | plasmoduck | so what is the line I need to install it? |
| 15:39.22 | plasmoduck | apt install -t jessie-backports nvidia-driver ? |
| 15:39.35 | themill | plasmoduck: have you fixed your sources.list? |
| 15:39.53 | plasmoduck | I think so themill |
| 15:40.03 | BluesKaj | plasmoduck, sudo apt update, then sudo apt install nvidia-375 |
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| 15:40.18 | plasmoduck | I have: deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie-backports main contrib non-free |
| 15:40.52 | themill | BluesKaj: please stop giving incorrect information... |
| 15:41.07 | themill | this is already so much harder than it needs to be |
| 15:41.17 | plasmoduck | I just need the command to install a backport app |
| 15:41.34 | plasmoduck | I know for normal it is just [apt install appname' |
| 15:41.36 | BluesKaj | nkuttler, now I see that nvidia-detect is strictly for the 340 driver |
| 15:41.46 | themill | plasmoduck: good thing you've been given that answer several times already, then |
| 15:42.09 | plasmoduck | I was just told apt -t appname |
| 15:42.14 | themill | no you weren't |
| 15:42.25 | BluesKaj | themill, then what's the command then? |
| 15:42.40 | themill | BluesKaj: it's always better to try installing packages that exist |
| 15:42.44 | plasmoduck | WHAT is the command please? No riddles |
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| 15:43.06 | BluesKaj | ok , i give up |
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| 15:43.36 | plasmoduck | me too |
| 15:43.38 | greycat | 11:32 dpkg> [...] http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 15:43.50 | plasmoduck | im just gonna use the binary |
| 15:43.54 | plasmoduck | that worked for me last time |
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| 15:45.50 | BluesKaj | plasmoduck, did you add the backports to your soureces.list ? |
| 15:46.01 | BluesKaj | sources even |
| 15:46.34 | plasmoduck | yes |
| 15:47.00 | BluesKaj | ok then read greycat's post above |
| 15:47.00 | plasmoduck | It's ok, I figure it out... Be back later |
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| 15:50.08 | BluesKaj | is puzzled by the attitude here sometimes, it's not informative and overly critical at the same time, a support is supposed to try to help |
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| 15:51.24 | greycat | BluesKaj: he was given the URL with the instructions. He gave us a wrong command and nkuttler told him what to change to make it correct. What else are we supposed to do? |
| 15:51.42 | greycat | RETYPE the ENTIRE command for him with the change in it? That's spoon feeding. |
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| 15:55.41 | lxleuser | hi |
| 15:56.00 | lxleuser | #flood |
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| 15:57.11 | petn-randall | #lowtide |
| 15:57.38 | BluesKaj | how am I supposed to know what is wrong with the information if ppl here don't bother to explain why it's differnt than what I'm used to, instead just saying "it's wrong" |
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| 15:58.09 | lxleuser | yes |
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| 15:58.18 | BluesKaj | I guess that's considered spoon feed ing too |
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| 15:59.49 | jhutchins_wk | BluesKaj: With backports, for instance, if they are asking "what's the command", they haven't read the instructions on the backports page. Giving them the commands means they won't, and they're likely to have more problems. |
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| 16:02.45 | themill | BluesKaj: I'm not sure what else I can say other than you're telling someone to install a package that doesn't exist. |
| 16:02.54 | BluesKaj | jhutchins_wk, I get that, i was referring my info being wrong without any explanation as to what is correct |
| 16:04.31 | BluesKaj | after all i don't want to give wrong info that's for sure. |
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| 16:04.36 | jhutchins_wk | BluesKaj: Yeah, that's annoying. |
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| 16:06.04 | jhutchins_wk | BluesKaj: Then again, if correcting your answer would mean that the user would avoid the correct process, that wouldn't be good. |
| 16:06.17 | BluesKaj | I still have somelearning to do about debian...spent too many yrs on kubuntu so maybe i need to watcch and read more |
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| 16:07.46 | jhutchins_wk | I've worked with many releases of several distributions and spend a lot of time on RH, so I'm sometimes a bit off. |
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| 16:11.20 | rohit | hey guys, I need libtasn1.so.3, can you please tell me the package to install |
| 16:11.31 | greycat | ,file libtasn1.so.3 |
| 16:11.34 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 16:12.05 | greycat | ,file libtasn1.so.3 --release stretch |
| 16:12.08 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 16:12.10 | themill | libtasn1-3 in wheezy |
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| 16:12.51 | themill | rohit: that sounds like you have a package that isn't designed for your release of Debian. |
| 16:13.10 | greycat | Or he has a compiled binary program, not a package. |
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| 16:13.38 | themill | indeed; one that isn't designed for that release of Debian. |
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| 16:16.18 | jhutchins_wk | Does anybody know of a script that will parse Apache 2.2 config files for changes needed for 2.4? |
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| 16:23.04 | kalipso | hey guys, setting up a router with debian jessie and get error while installing vim: "these pakets cant be authenticated "vim-runtime vim .."" |
| 16:23.31 | kalipso | is this depending on the mirror i use or a general? |
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| 16:25.48 | Poster | check your system time |
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| 16:40.03 | rohit | guys what is the package for vnc viewer ? |
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| 16:43.31 | blackflow | rohit: remmina is nice |
| 16:43.44 | alekz | rohit: https://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer |
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| 16:46.01 | teraflops | blackflow: remmina is a wrapper, you still need *vnc installed |
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| 16:48.43 | Iridos | are you sure? package description suggests otherwise |
| 16:49.22 | rohit | thank you so much for you help guys, Can you please tell me the package for libgnutls.so.26 |
| 16:50.04 | towo` | remina only needs remmina-plugin-vnc for vnc |
| 16:50.11 | towo` | *remmina |
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| 16:50.29 | Iridos | dpkg, apt-file |
| 16:50.29 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
| 16:50.58 | Iridos | rohit, ^^ install that and you'll be able to answer all the questions of this type in the future |
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| 16:51.55 | rohit | @Iridos I tried apt-file, it says command not found |
| 16:52.40 | teraflops | yeah it _only_ needs remmina-plugin-vnc |
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| 16:52.49 | Iridos | well… I said "install that" the factoid tells you to install it… I fear I cannot help you ^^ |
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| 17:00.29 | Iridos | judd, find find libgnutls.so* |
| 17:00.32 | judd | Search for find in jessie/amd64: [truncated] ecryptfs-utils: usr/bin/ecryptfs-find; emboss: usr/bin/epestfind; hugin-tools: usr/bin/cpfind, usr/bin/icpfind; gridsite-clients: usr/bin/htfind; python-ceres: usr/bin/ceres-tree-find; aeskeyfind: usr/bin/aeskeyfind; gnat-4.9: usr/bin/gnatfind; strigi-utils: usr/bin/deepfind; ocaml-findlib: etc/bash_completion.d/ocamlfind; dawgdic-tools: |
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| 17:00.41 | Iridos | oops |
| 17:00.45 | Iridos | judd, find libgnutls.so* |
| 17:00.49 | judd | Search for libgnutls.so* in jessie/amd64: libgnutls28-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgnutls.so |
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| 17:20.57 | jelly | rohit: which debian release are you using? |
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| 17:21.20 | jelly | judd: file libgnutls.so.26 --release jessie |
| 17:21.40 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 17:21.46 | jelly | judd: file libgnutls.so.26 --release wheezy |
| 17:21.49 | judd | Search for libgnutls.so.26 in wheezy/amd64: libgnutls26: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgnutls.so.26 |
| 17:21.58 | uxfi | what is a good IMap server to use for debian? |
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| 17:22.07 | rohit | @jelly debian-8.7.1-amd64 |
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| 17:22.11 | jelly | uxfi: dovecot is okay |
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| 17:22.30 | uxfi | ok jelly sweet |
| 17:22.41 | jelly | rohit: that does not exist in debian 8 any more. Last build with that soname was for Debian 7 |
| 17:23.19 | jelly | if you need it you'll have to add back wheezy repos. |
| 17:23.29 | rohit | how do I do that? |
| 17:23.40 | jelly | dpkg, tell rohit about wheezy sources.list |
| 17:24.06 | jelly | stricly add those, do not remove any jessie repos. |
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| 17:25.59 | uxfi | jelly; is dovecot hard to set up? |
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| 17:26.18 | greycat | If you use a vanilla MTA setup, it shouldn't be. |
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| 17:26.45 | greycat | If you're one of these crazy "Hey I know, I'll do user authentication with a MySQL database" people, then... uh... |
| 17:26.59 | greycat | (and it's always MySQL, too) |
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| 17:27.37 | jelly | uxfi: it can be as hard and as featureful as you want it to be |
| 17:28.00 | jelly | greycat: not really, sometimes it's Active Directory |
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| 17:28.12 | uxfi | jelly; all I want to be able to do is access my email usign a IMA P GUI cleint |
| 17:28.20 | uxfi | so I dont plan to use all tis features I guess |
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| 17:28.53 | jelly | then install dovecot-imapd and use your unix account and your /var/mail/username inbox |
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| 17:28.58 | greycat | What matters is how your username/password get validated, and where your mailboxes are, and in what format. |
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| 17:29.35 | jelly | and if it's on public internet, make very very sure all the users have complex enough passwords |
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| 17:29.47 | uxfi | jelly; no its jsut for me |
| 17:29.56 | uxfi | my mailbxo is on my computer |
| 17:30.12 | greycat | Should be pretty easy, then. |
| 17:30.16 | uxfi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:30.17 | uxfi | yeah |
| 17:30.23 | uxfi | typcial directory I believe |
| 17:30.33 | uxfi | i'll try it out later when i'm more awake |
| 17:30.55 | jelly | they have a channel here on freenode and a nice wiki. |
| 17:31.02 | uxfi | oh ok |
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| 17:31.14 | uxfi | greycat; so you were referring to jsut isntalling dovcecot-imapd? |
| 17:31.20 | uxfi | and then entering my authetntfication ifno? |
| 17:31.24 | greycat | I mean the entire thing, installation/configuration. |
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| 17:31.36 | uxfi | Alright |
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| 17:32.31 | uxfi | greycat; https://wiki.dovecot.org/BasicConfiguration |
| 17:32.33 | uxfi | like this? |
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| 17:33.23 | jelly | uxfi: some of that is pre-set on Debian. |
| 17:34.12 | jelly | and that page says as much |
| 17:34.43 | uxfi | jelly: hm but I should be ok if I use that guide ? |
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| 17:34.49 | jelly | it's not a guide. |
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| 17:35.14 | uxfi | Alright where a proper guide |
| 17:35.37 | jelly | don't use a guide. Read the actual docs instead. |
| 17:35.49 | ebol4 | I've got two servers with the latest version of exim4, which added the add_environment/keep_environment warnings |
| 17:36.05 | ebol4 | both servers keep those variables blank, since i don't need to set any sort of env stuff |
| 17:36.17 | ForceRecon | hello all.. where is the basic debian channel.. need to get in on the ground floor |
| 17:36.19 | ebol4 | but one server gives me that "Warning: purging the environment" thing every day |
| 17:36.22 | jelly | uxfi: if you read that page, you'll realize it tells you where your config is, and you'll find out things are already set up |
| 17:36.58 | uxfi | Alright |
| 17:37.25 | uxfi | jelly: I'll check it out then |
| 17:37.42 | ebol4 | ForceRecon: wot u need to know my boy |
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| 17:38.02 | plasmoduck | in widnows in the nvidia-settings I can select my second gpu to use as didicated physx |
| 17:38.06 | plasmoduck | How can I do the same in linux? |
| 17:38.11 | greycat | This is as basic as it gets. |
| 17:38.13 | plasmoduck | why can't I see the option? |
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| 17:38.39 | greycat | plasmoduck: sounds like a question for #nvidia |
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| 17:39.09 | ebol4 | plasmoduck: to the best of my knowledge, there is no option for this because there's never been demand for it |
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| 17:39.23 | ebol4 | since hardly any linux games can make use of a dedicated physx card |
| 17:39.42 | plasmoduck | Nvidia should have put it in anyways |
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| 17:40.15 | plasmoduck | Okay well second question. How do I enable stereo vision across my 3 monitors? |
| 17:40.59 | ForceRecon | ebol4: thanks for response.. I want to try out debian on my laptop... dvd live.. if possible.. need a download like.. getting tired of all the attitude over at linuxmint.. figured I would try debian as it seems to the be OS of choice to learn on |
| 17:41.23 | greycat | Don't try to install from a Debian Live image. They have problems. |
| 17:41.37 | greycat | !netinst |
| 17:41.38 | dpkg | i guess netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 17:42.16 | ForceRecon | Is it a problem that I have linuxmint installed on that LAptop now? I just want to see if I can HANDLE Debian without an install |
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| 17:42.59 | ForceRecon | https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
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| 17:43.52 | ebol4 | ForceRecon: nope, when you boot a live CD, everything gets loaded into RAM, so it's completely independent of whatever is currently on your hard drifve |
| 17:43.54 | greycat | If it's a super recent laptop, you may need to use the "stretch" (testing) installer. If you want to use wifi during the install, you may need an image with nonfree firmware included. |
| 17:44.39 | ForceRecon | Since you people are the pros on linux.. where should I start and with what? Debian Live CD with INternet and option to install over linux mint if I love it |
| 17:44.44 | uxfi | greycat; it it says it cant find a dovecot configuration file i jsut do as you said "aptitude install dovecot-imap" rigt? |
| 17:44.49 | ForceRecon | would make for a good link on the website |
| 17:44.49 | uxfi | and hi ForceRecon |
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| 17:45.11 | greycat | uxfi: I would listen to jelly. He seems to be more familiar with this specific set of packages than I am. |
| 17:45.19 | plasmoduck | How do I enable stereo vision across my 3 monitors? So my games span across all 3 monitors? |
| 17:45.36 | plasmoduck | I've paid a lot of money for this setup and would like to put it to use |
| 17:45.38 | greycat | plasmoduck: again, I would suggest #nvidia |
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| 17:45.52 | plasmoduck | But im using debian |
| 17:45.55 | uxfi | ok |
| 17:45.55 | ebol4 | ForceRecon: everyone is going to have a different opinion on that. I personally like xubuntu for regular use |
| 17:46.01 | uxfi | jelly; I'll try reading the docs |
| 17:46.47 | greycat | ForceRecon: The Debian Live images have fallen into disrepair, due to a lack of developer time to commit to them. They are really *not* recommended for installation. |
| 17:46.59 | ebol4 | plasmoduck: it's going to be the same whether you're using debian, centos, or whatever, since it's an nvidia issue |
| 17:47.19 | uxfi | greycat; i found another nice guide that belnds the doceumentation together so I'll read that too |
| 17:47.20 | uxfi | blends |
| 17:47.42 | ForceRecon | greycat: wow.. that is tough... but I hear ya.. |
| 17:47.58 | ForceRecon | commit without any visual.. |
| 17:48.15 | ForceRecon | hmmmm... is debian really good for the beginner? |
| 17:48.26 | ForceRecon | or should I be looking elsewhere |
| 17:48.31 | jelly | plasmoduck: realize that nvidia drivers are not part of debian, their packages are only present in non-free. There will be limited support in here for those, while #nvidia is presumably full of people that deal with those drivers on a daily basis |
| 17:48.48 | ebol4 | ForceRecon: i think debian-based stuff is good for beginners, but ubuntu is probably best there (ubuntu is debian-based) |
| 17:48.53 | greycat | ForceRecon: if you want to learn how the system works, and don't need a lot of hand-holding and fancy bells and whistles, then it's fine. |
| 17:48.58 | ForceRecon | Those people running linuxmint are really miserable people.. a real turn off.. |
| 17:49.04 | ebol4 | hahahahaha |
| 17:49.50 | ebol4 | Xubuntu has a pretty nice live CD, that's my personal recommendation |
| 17:49.51 | greycat | The people who prefer Debian tend to be the people who like things that "just work", that are not bleeding edge, that are not "the latest and greatest". |
| 17:49.53 | jelly | mint is very pretty, perhaps you'd have a better experience if you choose to pay for their support |
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| 17:50.04 | ebol4 | i run debian on all my servers because it Just Werks |
| 17:51.01 | greycat | If you're someone who thinks "I need to install PHP7 because 7 is so much greater than 5" then Debian may not be for you. |
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| 17:51.14 | plasmoduck | jelly: roger that |
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| 17:51.40 | ForceRecon | I am sorry for the delay.. I am sitting here thinking about how much I really have linux-mint help, like you are suppose to know everything already.. They should just put a bot on that says please google everything before asking a question |
| 17:51.51 | ForceRecon | then I think about how I do like the interface.. |
| 17:52.16 | greycat | You *should* google things before asking in IRC, in any channel. |
| 17:52.16 | ForceRecon | and so far no one here has been a pain in my ass about my lack of knowledge |
| 17:52.24 | greycat | Or at least read the channel's /topic. |
| 17:52.36 | ForceRecon | I am on the edge.. I research everything I can before I ask.. that's a given |
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| 17:52.56 | ebol4 | ForceRecon: Linux Mint uses Cinnamon for its desktop environment if i remember correctly. you can download that in Debian or ubuntu or whatever else you'd like to use |
| 17:52.59 | ForceRecon | maybe I am just looking for a better community.. |
| 17:53.09 | alekz | maybe |
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| 17:53.31 | alekz | but Debian's community will teach you how to dig in and be your own teacher |
| 17:54.10 | dionysus69 | is there a small app for administering nginx? like restart and root location setter? |
| 17:54.24 | dionysus69 | something like xamp for debian though |
| 17:54.28 | greycat | does vim count as an app? |
| 17:54.35 | dionysus69 | lol |
| 17:54.39 | alekz | lol |
| 17:54.48 | dionysus69 | I am looking for something faster |
| 17:55.51 | jelly | copy pasting a vhost template definition and editing two strings can be pretty damn fast with vim |
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| 17:56.56 | ForceRecon | ebol4: problem is that I have no idea what to do.. The command line is okay.. I am not sure who wrote VI but the process to type is just silly.. |
| 17:57.07 | greycat | Then use whatever editor you prefer. |
| 17:57.13 | jelly | automating further is probably not worth the trouble unless one has daily changes |
| 17:57.35 | greycat | I can't imagine why you'd have frequent changes to your web server config. |
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| 17:57.52 | jelly | then you've never worked in a web hosting shop, greycat |
| 17:58.02 | dionysus69 | xamp is used in dev env |
| 17:58.15 | ebol4 | ForceRecon: nano is probably the easiest text editor, it's what I use for most things |
| 17:58.15 | ForceRecon | you go as you lear.. I understand.. but I undestand how to install things.. just not sure where anything is written , how t check if it is running, how to fix it if its not? How to auto start something, hwo to even remove it.. |
| 17:58.20 | dionysus69 | i might want to change root every 10 minutes depending on my project |
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| 17:58.43 | jelly | dionysus69: or create two dozen vhosts and keep them. |
| 17:58.43 | greycat | ForceRecon: we can answer these questions, but you need to slow down. One at a time. |
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| 17:59.08 | ForceRecon | oh certainly.. just overwhelmed.. |
| 17:59.16 | dionysus69 | jelly: you mean sites-available/***files.conf? |
| 17:59.37 | jelly | yes |
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| 17:59.50 | ForceRecon | I need like a 6 week handholding video of everything you need to learn linux.. |
| 17:59.56 | dionysus69 | hmm well ye that makes sense xD i just downloadded something to test for |
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| 18:00.38 | jelly | ForceRecon: there's a book covering most common admin tasks like those mentioned |
| 18:00.42 | jelly | !debian-handbook |
| 18:00.42 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also can be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. |
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| 18:02.22 | ForceRecon | https://debian-handbook.info/get/ |
| 18:02.28 | ForceRecon | I will buy it and read it |
| 18:02.33 | ForceRecon | hope that helps. thanks |
| 18:02.43 | ueses_ | . |
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| 18:05.58 | ForceRecon | I bought the book.. thanks gonna read it tonight |
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| 18:07.08 | jelly | buxy will be happy |
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| 18:10.34 | ForceRecon | I decided today to install x11vnc to access my linux machine from windows.. did the install.. have no clue if it worked, found a few commands that seem to have gotten it to work as I am accessing it now.. I folowed this https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=192846 did not work for me.. have no clue how to fix it and where.. these are things I am talking about.. will read book and be back when I am done.. maybe sound a |
| 18:10.34 | ForceRecon | bit more confident.. thanks for the support and help |
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| 18:11.58 | jhutchins_wk | ForceRecon: Good luck. It feels a lot better when you understand what's going on instead of just trusting commands from a guide or an irc channel. |
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| 18:23.20 | simpledat | What should I use? virtualbox vs kvm? |
| 18:23.39 | mefistofeles | simpledat: depends, what do you want to accomplish? |
| 18:23.42 | towo` | depends on your needs and skills |
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| 18:24.48 | simpledat | try different distros, i prefer gui |
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| 18:25.19 | mefistofeles | simpledat: if it's just for quick tests and such, maybe virtualbox is easier to setup |
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| 18:26.58 | somiaj | libvirt with virt manager gives a nice front end to kvm+qemu |
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| 18:27.12 | simpledat | mefistofeles: ok |
| 18:27.40 | somiaj | only thing with virtualbox is it won't be released with stretch, it most likely will be provided via stretch-backports, but not positive on this. |
| 18:29.18 | simpledat | mefistofeles: so you cant use kvm for quick tests? |
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| 18:30.03 | somiaj | you can, virtualbox is just easier for some to setup |
| 18:30.05 | mefistofeles | simpledat: you can |
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| 18:33.02 | jhutchins_wk | simpledat: There are a lot of pre-installed pre-configured vbox images. |
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| 18:33.34 | simpledat | jhutchins_wk: What do you mean by that? |
| 18:33.34 | jhutchins_wk | I still think vm appliances are a cool idea. |
| 18:33.56 | jhutchins_wk | simpledat: Essentially a virtual machine you can download and just run without having to run an install. |
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| 18:35.13 | simpledat | jhutchins_wk: so you do not need to download virtualbox or kvm? |
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| 18:39.16 | jhutchins_wk | Once you have the virtualbox program installed, you can create VMs within it, or you can download pre-built vm files that will run within it. I don't know anything about kvm. |
| 18:39.44 | jhutchins_wk | simpledat: I don't know of a system that has stand-alone VMs without the management software. |
| 18:40.26 | simpledat | jhutchins_wk: oh nice :) |
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| 18:46.15 | markinfo | Hi. On my PC (Debian-Stretch) is the configuration in /bin/bash /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90gpg-agent not made. Where could be problem? Against which package could be made bugreport? |
| 18:47.31 | greycat | You should not run /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90gpg-agent with a shell before it. It's meant to be sourced. |
| 18:48.44 | greycat | Things in Xsession.d get sourced by a dash (sh) shell when you run startx, or when you login through a DM that uses a "Debian session" (not a GNOME session). |
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| 18:51.05 | markinfo | greycat, there should be variable GPG_AGENT_INFO set. But is not. If I make this few commands in terminal after xsession is started, then it is correctly set. |
| 18:52.17 | tseuglee | whats the update on this man.I just now finished reading this(https://www.debian.org/News/).Did he get out of jail |
| 18:52.51 | markinfo | waht is "debian" session? I use Xfce started through lightdm. |
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| 18:53.39 | jhutchins_wk | tseuglee: Russian security services are not exactly chatty about what happens to their prisoners. |
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| 18:57.47 | jhutchins_wk | !de |
| 18:57.47 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 18:57.55 | greycat | lightdm should run a Debian session. And on my own stretch box, I get the GPG_AGENT_INFO variable in my environment after doing startx. |
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| 18:58.28 | markinfo | greycat, I can choose in Lightdm to start "Default Xsession" or "Xfce Session". |
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| 18:58.53 | greycat | Oh. Uh... I don't know anything about an "Xfce session". |
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| 18:59.27 | rohit | hey Guys, I understand that libgnutls26 is now obsolete on my debian and libgnutls28 is available, But i am trying to run qemu that requires libgnutls26. How do I solve this problem? |
| 18:59.58 | greycat | Usually by installing Debian's version of qemu instead of some random binary from who knows where. |
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| 19:00.24 | jhutchins_wk | rohit: Don't use packages from outside of the distribution & release you're running. |
| 19:00.25 | tw | It does. Lightdm uses /etc/X11/Xsession.d to fire off a whole bunch of stuff. Even my i3 gets $GPG_AGENT_INFO from the session. |
| 19:00.30 | markinfo | greycat, which package is responsible for choose of this "Sessions"? |
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| 19:00.42 | greycat | do I look like a person who runs a DM? |
| 19:00.46 | greycat | I said twice that I use startx. |
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| 19:02.59 | markinfo | tw, why not here? I have two installation of Strech. On any is $GPG_AGENT_INFO set. If I execute thess commands inside, than the varible is set properly. |
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| 19:03.16 | simpledat | How can I see which virtualbox version debian repository uses? |
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| 19:04.05 | craniumslows | is that apt-cache show <package name> ? to see the details of the package |
| 19:04.06 | psusi | simpledat, packages.debian.org |
| 19:04.19 | greycat | Or if you know the exact package name, ask judd. |
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| 19:05.10 | tseuglee | Dam arrested by russians, thats messed up lol.I wonder what packages mr Dmitry Bogatov was maintaining |
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| 19:07.09 | tw | markinfo: I couldn't say. Maybe you've set it up using your ~/.xsession and not the session manager? |
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| 19:08.26 | greycat | That's a good guess. Yes, having a ~/.xsession file would make it skip the standard Xsession.d stuff. |
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| 19:12.20 | huwjr | can someone with more braincells than me please read the LSI 3008 spec and tell me if it supports JBOD? |
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| 19:12.46 | huwjr | struggling to draw an conclusions |
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| 19:17.27 | uxfi | hmm |
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| 19:18.38 | jhutchins_wk | huwjr: URL? |
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| 19:19.08 | huwjr | struggling to determine the exact one, but it’s from ixsystems so i’m guessing it’s a supermicro variant |
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| 19:19.29 | huwjr | the config util for it just says Avago LSI 3008 IR |
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| 19:20.37 | huwjr | don’t think i’ve ever come across a controller that doesn’t supprt JBOD before but i think i’ve just struck gold lol :D |
| 19:21.23 | huwjr | all the disks detect during the Debian install, i reboot and then there’s no boot ;[ |
| 19:21.47 | ForceRecon | off topic question.. is there any way to create a link to an IRC channel with 2 ## |
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| 19:22.07 | ForceRecon | irc://chat.freenode.net:6697/##channel |
| 19:22.13 | ForceRecon | is that correct |
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| 19:34.48 | phogg | ForceRecon: off topc answer: the square root of negative five. |
| 19:37.29 | ForceRecon | ha thanks. phogg |
| 19:38.11 | jhutchins_wk | ForceRecon: Try It And See! |
| 19:38.50 | ForceRecon | I have been trying multiple attempts.. nothing will launch hexchat.. seems to need an app installed that will run a link process call.. |
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| 19:39.08 | ForceRecon | I think it is just easier to write it down on the page and then have people just join |
| 19:39.14 | ForceRecon | thanks though ;) |
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| 19:41.08 | ForceRecon | jhutchins_wk: 2.23606798 i |
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| 19:42.13 | jelly | gives ForceRecon a ± |
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| 19:43.12 | ForceRecon | does jig |
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| 19:48.22 | gena2x | trying to use vanilla debian on rasberry pi. installed man-db manpages anacron, 'man man' shows "See 'man 7 undocumented' ...' what I am possible missing? |
| 19:48.38 | gaunledream | hello brothers and sisters, how do I change the size of the LVM temp folder? (when installing, I choose separate /home /var /temp partitions) Thanks :) |
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| 19:51.21 | jhutchins_wk | gena2x: Documentation for that architecture may not be complete. You can often find man pages on the web though. |
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| 19:59.58 | tw | speaking of custom schema handlers, can you make a url handler do a different thing based on what it was called from? For example, if I call xdg-open custom://thingy from terminal, can I have it do something different from the same called from chromium? |
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| 20:03.09 | gena2x | jhutchins_wk: are you serious? |
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| 20:10.40 | gena2x | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.37 | greycat | Lots of ways. Maybe you deleted it all. Maybe you mounted an empty file system on that directory. Maybe you've installed something that autopurges all man pages of everything now and henceforth, to save space. Maybe you're in a Live distro that doesn't include man pages. |
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| 20:12.24 | gena2x | how to reinstall that? I tried apt-get remove man-db and apt-get install man-db. Still empty. I am kind of puzzled... |
| 20:12.31 | greycat | What operating system are you in? |
| 20:12.43 | gena2x | debian obviously =) |
| 20:12.53 | greycat | There is nothing obvious here at all. What version of Debian? |
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| 20:14.46 | gena2x | hm... right. lsb_release says me Description: Debian GNU/Linux 9.0 (stretch) |
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| 20:15.01 | gena2x | uname -a Linux buggy 4.11.0-rc7 #3 SMP PREEMPT Sun Apr 23 21:50:31 BST 2017 aarch64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:15.13 | greycat | That is not a stretch kernel. |
| 20:15.19 | alekz | that's a hard kernel |
| 20:15.29 | greycat | Hell, that's not even an *experimental* debian kernel. |
| 20:15.36 | gena2x | yeah, but I believe this doesn't matter for man pages =) |
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| 20:15.46 | greycat | It matters to try to figure out what the hell you actually DID. |
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| 20:16.02 | greycat | Clearly you are not going to tell us. So we have to keep pulling teeh. |
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| 20:16.24 | gena2x | Nothing special - just used recent kernel. |
| 20:16.26 | gena2x | =) |
| 20:16.59 | greycat | And that smirking "=)" to try to indicate that you are fucking AMUSED by those of us wasting our time trying to rip and claw the truth out of you. |
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| 20:17.04 | gena2x | You actually can always install one - it doesn't matter. Well, unless there is problem with this systemd stuff |
| 20:18.10 | gena2x | greycat: You completely misinterpret my smile. I am just enjoying my setup and that I am running OS i like in this quite unusual configuration. |
| 20:18.21 | greycat | How did you install this allegedly-Debian system? What distro was it BEFORE you edited sources.list to "convert" it to stretch? |
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| 20:18.43 | Plushfish | Is it possible that Jessie has a little bit forgotten cause the freeze for Stretch? |
| 20:18.45 | Plushfish | ^ https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 20:19.06 | Plushfish | +been |
| 20:19.21 | greycat | Serious jessie bugs may be fixed by the security team (if they affect security), or by the regular developers if the bugs are serious enough to warrant a change in stable. |
| 20:19.29 | TomTomTosch | it |
| 20:19.36 | rhizome | me |
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| 20:20.10 | gena2x | for rasberry pi it usually happens - you get a PC (obviously with debian), create refroot on that PC and copy that to sd card. |
| 20:20.12 | TomTomTosch | it's normal that more rc bugs get found during the life of a stable release. not all get fixed. |
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| 20:21.01 | gena2x | than you boot that sd card with your kernel and refroot and have fun with your new Debian system. I just installed it yesterday and kind of enjoying it. |
| 20:21.02 | greycat | So, was this originally Raspbian? |
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| 20:21.50 | Plushfish | Okay, thanks! |
| 20:21.51 | gena2x | nope, debian, let me point you... https://michaelfranzl.com/2016/10/31/raspberry-pi-debian-stretch/ |
| 20:22.11 | greycat | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/79028/debian-install-missing-man-pages |
| 20:22.40 | greycat | Like you, the author of that question has misled readers by calling it "Debian", so it might be right up your fucking alley. |
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| 20:23.44 | greycat | Until you prove otherwise, I am going to assume you installed SOMETHING LIKE RASPBIAN which strips away all man pages at some point during the install, and that you will have to follow a procedure like that one to bring them all back. |
| 20:23.48 | gena2x | eh greycat =( thanks for attempt, but what I have is really not rasbian, and reinstalling didn't help. |
| 20:24.14 | greycat | Reinstalling *what*? The whole system? One package? What command did you run? What did it do? |
| 20:24.19 | gena2x | rasbian is 32 bit |
| 20:24.32 | gena2x | I tried apt-get install --reinstall man-db |
| 20:24.36 | greycat | Idiot. |
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| 20:24.47 | rhizome | gena2x: have you ever needed help before? |
| 20:24.48 | greycat | WHY WOULD YOU THINK man-db CONTAINS MAN PAGES |
| 20:24.57 | gry | cool down |
| 20:25.04 | greycat | Try reinstalling ONE PACKAGE that has a man page, like bash, then try "man bash". |
| 20:25.09 | jhutchins_wk | gena2x: I've seen systems set up to never install man pages, for "security" or saving space, or just because a production appliance should never need man pages. Someone could have set that option on that arch. |
| 20:25.25 | gry | take a look at 'apt show man-db' too |
| 20:25.32 | gena2x | because if I do dpkg -S man-db it definetly shows man pages. |
| 20:25.32 | greycat | If that works, then you do not have anything PREEMPTIVELY removing man pages after pkg installs, which means reinstalling every single package may work. |
| 20:25.49 | greycat | It may contain man(1) or something like that. Did you do "man man"? |
| 20:25.54 | gena2x | yep |
| 20:26.14 | greycat | looks at the very small pile of teeth |
| 20:26.45 | greycat | WHAT HAPPENED when you reinstalled man-db (and what command did you use, and what was its output), and then what happened when you typed "man man"? |
| 20:27.10 | gena2x | rhizome: really no. I just decided to try to talk little bit to see may be people already know the answer. |
| 20:27.40 | rhizome | impressive. |
| 20:27.44 | greycat | You still have REFUSED to divulge the secret of what you installed. |
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| 20:28.01 | gena2x | no, no I sent a link above |
| 20:28.39 | greycat | You installed "michaelfranzl"? What the hell kind of OS is that? |
| 20:29.36 | gena2x | Debian of course, what else? At least my /etc/apt/sources.list shows me clearly that packages are taken from ftp.debian.org. |
| 20:30.02 | greycat | My best guess is you installed from some random person's unofficial install image that LABELS ITSELF "Debian", but is clearly, BLATANTLY, not Debian. |
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| 20:30.39 | greycat | The next step is to determine whether the great man page purge was a one-time feature of the installer, or is an ongoing preemptive thing that happens even when you reinstall packages. |
| 20:30.55 | greycat | You have refused to provide ANY details that could help us figure that out. |
| 20:31.11 | craniumslows | The script you used has this option https://github.com/michaelfranzl/rpi23-gen-image#reduce_mantrue Remove all man pages and info files (harsh). Configure APT to not include man pages on future apt-get package installations. |
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| 20:31.40 | gry | :( |
| 20:31.54 | greycat | And people wonder why we don't support non-Debian distributions. |
| 20:32.04 | alekz | lol |
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| 20:32.56 | alekz | and ppl is still ignoring README files |
| 20:33.21 | craniumslows | The solution would be to rebuild but alter at least line 118 |
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| 20:33.36 | craniumslows | of rpi23-gen-image.sh |
| 20:34.00 | gena2x | rebuilding too late for me, as I already spent a day installing and configuring various stuff on box. |
| 20:34.03 | greycat | If it's really "configure APT", there is probably some way to change that configuration on an installed system. |
| 20:34.19 | craniumslows | gena2x unless it's production it's never too late 8-) |
| 20:34.22 | jhutchins_wk | gena2x: This page describes how to configure apt to exclude man pages when installing packages: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/128884/can-i-disable-all-man-pages |
| 20:35.01 | jhutchins_wk | gena2x: That should give you a clue how to enable them, although re-installing them all pretty much means reinstalling all of the packages afik. |
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| 20:35.34 | greycat | Right, after you undo the configuration, you have to reinstall each package that provides a man page. |
| 20:36.07 | gena2x | Yeah, exactly, obviously I googled in wrong direction! Thanks |
| 20:36.34 | craniumslows | All the "reducing" is happening in here it seems. https://github.com/drtyhlpr/rpi23-gen-image/blob/14de70396904f0dc9fb65148735c94b5bcefc2d9/bootstrap.d/99-reduce.sh Good luck! |
| 20:37.08 | craniumslows | At least it was entertaining |
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| 20:39.22 | gena2x | Yeah, I got a 'car' controlled by rasberry pi as a birthday present so having a lot of fun now. Of course just installing rasbian was too boring, I decided to try vanilla. |
| 20:39.36 | greycat | LIAR |
| 20:39.54 | greycat | You decided to try "this random installer image on someone's FUCKING BLOG" |
| 20:40.32 | alekz | lol |
| 20:40.39 | alekz | *without reading the README* |
| 20:40.39 | alekz | xD |
| 20:40.47 | gena2x | or course, just googled around for random blog! |
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| 20:44.11 | gena2x | try to google THAT blog btw, it took me a while to figure out how to install vanilla kernel and debian on rasberry pi, debian wiki for example says that it wouldn't work - it says that HDMI would not work for example. And I just saw it working yesterday. |
| 20:45.50 | gena2x | my man is fine btw. I didn't know that one could do such magic with dpkg. |
| 20:45.54 | greycat | So, did you find the apt configuration changes? Were they in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/? Were you able to undo them? |
| 20:46.03 | gena2x | that's dpkg |
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| 20:46.44 | greycat | You're not going to tell us ANYTHING HELPFUL at all, are you. |
| 20:46.52 | greycat | God you're a fucking douche. |
| 20:47.17 | rhizome | https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/205246/125220 |
| 20:47.29 | rhizome | path-exclude in dpkg.conf |
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| 20:49.17 | gena2x | greycat: oh, man. it hurts? woman man be left you recently? why you so harsh? |
| 20:49.41 | greycat | dpkg, raspbian man pages is <reply>We DO NOT support your Raspbian distro here, not even if the third party blog page you got it from SAYS that it is "vanilla Debian", but if your RASPBIAN installer is preemptively removing all man pages, see https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/205246/125220 and apply it in reverse. |
| 20:49.42 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 20:50.17 | craniumslows | hands out chamomile tea |
| 20:50.43 | greycat | There. Helpful answers provided by rhizome and NOT BY YOU. |
| 20:50.54 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 20:52.46 | sevak | hi I'm back asking about jack audio, I don't seem to be getting any audio |
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| 20:55.58 | rhizome | sevak: can jack be used by itself? is alsa involved here? |
| 20:57.18 | sevak | I'm not sure, idk if this helps but I can play youtube videos with audio, but the videos stop when I start jack, and I don't get sound from yoshimi synth after jack has started even though the meter goes up |
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| 20:58.34 | sevak | and the test in the xfce audio mixer doesn't work |
| 20:59.24 | rhizome | pulseaudio? |
| 20:59.54 | rhizome | fyi, lots of moving parts here even on the best of days |
| 21:01.36 | rhizome | makes note to attempt updating linux audio howto |
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| 21:02.17 | rhizome | someday |
| 21:02.49 | greycat | Is it longer than "1) remove pulseaudio"? |
| 21:03.10 | Artemis3 | don't mind firefox going silent xD |
| 21:03.12 | rhizome | my understanding is that PA is required for multisource |
| 21:04.15 | greycat | Mine is that pa is the new esd (enlightenment sound daemon), and only required if the underlying chipset/driver doesn't natively support multisource. But I could be mistaken. |
| 21:04.15 | Artemis3 | and yes jackd needs to talk to something, alsa, or pulse... alsa is the preferred way |
| 21:04.54 | rhizome | greycat: me too, hence my goal to "attempt" to update it. :) |
| 21:05.22 | rhizome | maybe i can write it in a "choose your own adventure" style |
| 21:05.41 | Artemis3 | lots of pitfalls, should be fun! |
| 21:05.56 | rhizome | i see what you did there |
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| 21:06.27 | rhizome | https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uqVqYFvzgoY/maxresdefault.jpg |
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| 21:10.32 | Komanda65343 | tun_dev.c:34:24: fatal error: net/if_tun.h: No such file or directory |
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| 21:11.14 | greycat | svr5:~$ locate if_tun.h |
| 21:11.14 | greycat | /usr/include/linux/if_tun.h |
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| 21:11.43 | MaurizioB | Hello. I'm writing a software based on PyQt4. I don't actually use Debian, but some of it users are, so I need some help, please; turns out there seem to be a problem with a module of PyQt4, QtMultimedia. According to this, it's not installed: https://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/python-qt4 ; According to this, it's a bug (unresolved after 7 years?): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4/+bug |
| 21:11.43 | MaurizioB | /590140 |
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| 21:12.09 | Komanda65343 | greycat: sudo apt-get install locate; locate if_tun.h |
| 21:12.12 | Komanda65343 | returns an empty line |
| 21:12.28 | rhizome | locate is installed by default |
| 21:12.30 | Komanda65343 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.40 | Komanda65343 | 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1 (2015-05-24) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:12.40 | sevak | I don't think I have pulseaudio |
| 21:12.43 | Komanda65343 | nope i had to install it |
| 21:12.48 | rhizome | wat |
| 21:13.11 | Komanda65343 | -bash: locate: command not found |
| 21:13.20 | Komanda65343 | then i did apt-get install locate |
| 21:13.26 | Komanda65343 | and it returned empty line |
| 21:13.30 | sh00p | run updatedb after you install locate |
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| 21:14.03 | Komanda65343 | sh00p: that worked! thanks! |
| 21:14.03 | Komanda65343 | <3 |
| 21:14.14 | sh00p | np homie |
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| 21:14.31 | petn-randall | MaurizioB: Can you name me which full file path your program expects? I could then look up which package contains it. |
| 21:14.40 | gry | why does locate not offer to updatedb at install time as a part of the install script? |
| 21:15.07 | ForceRecon | long book 513 pages.. I am on 26 |
| 21:15.12 | ForceRecon | cya in a week |
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| 21:15.22 | MaurizioB | petn-randall: thanks; I suppose that it would be QtMultimedia.so (that's the PyQt4.QtMultimedia.__file__ output in python) |
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| 21:16.44 | crazy8 | Can my computer run debian https://ibb.co/b9CHAk |
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| 21:18.25 | petn-randall | MaurizioB: I can't find this exact file in the DB, is that the exact filename on your system? |
| 21:18.53 | MaurizioB | petn-randall: yup: '/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/PyQt4/QtMultimedia.so' |
| 21:18.57 | petn-randall | crazy8: If it's a Pentium II or newer, Debian will run on it. |
| 21:19.40 | sevak | could the jack audio problem be an issue with the windows 10 host? I'm running debian in vbox |
| 21:20.15 | ForceRecon | apt-get install sl.. very funny.. |
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| 21:24.02 | petn-randall | MaurizioB: Looks as though it indeed is not packaged in Debian, since upstream renamed and moved it a around a bit. You can recommend your users to install it via pip, or you could check which library has better upstream support and switch to that. |
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| 21:24.19 | petn-randall | ForceRecon: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 21:25.22 | ForceRecon | petn-randall: I am okay boss.. I am going to read this manual, do my online learning and come back in a few days and see if I am ready to ask some better questions.. but thanks! |
| 21:27.25 | MaurizioB | petn-randall: thanks, I was afraid of that, I also read about the renaming; at this point of the development, migrating to another library would be really hard; I'll think about it. Btw, do you think that commenting on that bugreport on launchpad would be useful to "get some attention" at this point? |
| 21:27.58 | petn-randall | MaurizioB: Looks like the Qt5 version of it is packaged: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/python-pyqt5.qtmultimedia |
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| 21:29.19 | petn-randall | MaurizioB: You could mention it, but since Ubuntu takes the python-qt4 package from Debian, you could probably file a RFP (request for packaging) bug report in hopes that someone picks it up. |
| 21:29.19 | MaurizioB | petn-randall: I mean, at this point, it's improbable that [Py]Qt4 gets another package move again, and, even if Qt5 is now the upstream version, Qt4 is still quite popular |
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| 21:29.56 | petn-randall | MaurizioB: Not that it would take at least 2 years for it land in Debian stable though, since stretch is already frozen and a few months away from releasing. |
| 21:30.01 | petn-randall | *Note |
| 21:30.28 | MaurizioB | petn-randall: ok, thank you, I'll give it a try anyway. Good to know that Qt5 correctly gets it, I've already tested a Qt5 version (even if I'm not really satisfied with it). |
| 21:30.43 | MaurizioB | sevak: what is your problem with jack? |
| 21:31.07 | petn-randall | MaurizioB: The other option is to tell your users to install it via pip, don't know how feasible that is, though. |
| 21:31.26 | MaurizioB | petn-randall: yeah, indeed. I'll look into it too. Thank you again! |
| 21:31.42 | petn-randall | MaurizioB: You're welcome, good luck with your project! |
| 21:32.05 | MaurizioB | petn-randall: let's hope I'll have better luck ;) |
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| 21:33.55 | sevak | I'm not getting any audio from yoshimi synth for example |
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| 21:34.54 | sevak | it works before I start jack audio but after I start jack, youtube videos stop and the audio test in the mixer doesn[t work |
| 21:35.26 | sevak | *yoshimi works without jack but not after I start it |
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| 21:35.41 | petn-randall | sevak: IIRC current firefox installations require pulseaudio, so I think that conflicts with jack. |
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| 21:36.02 | MaurizioB | sevak: what do you use to launch jack? is that qjackctl? |
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| 21:36.28 | MaurizioB | petn-randall: that pulseaudio forced migration a shame, I think |
| 21:36.29 | sevak | and kluppe doesn't work and crashes. Yes i'm using qjack |
| 21:37.41 | MaurizioB | sevak: ok, first, if you run one of the latest versions of firefox, as petn-randall pointed out, they'll only work with pulseaudio (which probably means that you have pulseaudio installed and working indeed) |
| 21:37.45 | koollman | well, forced-migrations are the norm now, aren't they ? :) |
| 21:38.51 | sevak | hmm ok, so should I try removing pulse audio? |
| 21:39.17 | somiaj | iceweasel here works just fine with alsa, so I woudln't say forced pulseaudio, though it may have dropped jack support |
| 21:39.22 | petn-randall | The reason they now require PA is because many ALSA drivers (or even their cards) don't support multiple output streams. Which means if you happened to open up your music player before starting firefox, youtube wouldn't play with audio. Since that costs them a lot of support time to explain that to all users, they went with the other route. |
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| 21:39.52 | MaurizioB | sevak: then, I'd try to start yoshimi *after* jack is started. I'm not sure on how yoshimi works, but it's possible that it just doesn't detect jack if yoshimi is already running |
| 21:39.52 | petn-randall | IIRC you can still compile it yourself with ALSA support if you like, but it's not going to get maintained in the long run. |
| 21:40.39 | MaurizioB | petn-randall: in 2017 is still possible that a linux distro doesn't get software downmix working? |
| 21:40.51 | somiaj | petn-randall: that must be new, luckly I don't use firefox that often. Do you know if the debian package is still choosing to compile in alsa support or not? |
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| 21:41.44 | petn-randall | MaurizioB: Not all alsa drivers support it, and PA does it out of the box. |
| 21:41.54 | sevak | ok I started jack and started yoshimi but it's not showing any output level |
| 21:42.03 | petn-randall | somiaj: IIRC stretch and above requires PA. |
| 21:42.24 | koollman | MaurizioB: sure, always possible. install a debian stretch on a chromebook via crouton, laugh when pulseaudio crashes |
| 21:42.26 | MaurizioB | sevak: then, you should use qjackctl's patchbay (it should be the lower left button, maybe labelled "connections") to connect it, if it's visible; if not, maybe you should check the options of yoshimi in the commandline |
| 21:42.48 | somiaj | petn-randall: I just must have not noticed that I lost sound in firefox. I don't use pulse but I also don't use firefox that often. |
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| 21:43.28 | somiaj | but I'm someone who doesn't like pulse, and still uses my sblive from 1998 because it does hardware mixing. |
| 21:43.37 | petn-randall | :) |
| 21:44.02 | sevak | Cannot read socket fd = 5 err = Success |
| 21:44.04 | sevak | CheckRes error |
| 21:44.06 | sevak | JackSocketClientChannel read fail |
| 21:44.08 | sevak | Cannot open yoshimi client |
| 21:44.10 | sevak | Failed jack_client_open(), status: 21 |
| 21:44.12 | sevak | Failed to open jack client, trying again |
| 21:44.14 | sevak | y |
| 21:44.27 | sevak | now yoshimi isn't starting, sorry for the block of text |
| 21:44.36 | MaurizioB | petn-randall: I didn't know that, afaik dmix should be supported everywhere |
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| 21:45.30 | MaurizioB | koollman: I'm reading about that, that's not good |
| 21:46.18 | MaurizioB | sevak: what driver is set on QJackctl? is it alsa? |
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| 21:48.00 | sevak | MaurizioB: how can I check this |
| 21:48.37 | sevak | ok driver is set to alsa |
| 21:48.57 | MaurizioB | in qjackctl click on the configuration button, it should be the one in the middle, in the right side of the main windows |
| 21:49.02 | MaurizioB | window* |
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| 21:49.42 | sevak | if I go to setup it says driver: alsa |
| 21:50.05 | h7b | my machine is sporadically just crashing. Can someone please help me to use dmesg or the like to find out why? |
| 21:50.23 | MaurizioB | sevak: ok, that's a start. close that dialog; what do you see in the connection window? (bottom left button) |
| 21:51.19 | sevak | I see system under readable clients and system under writable clients, I saw yoshimi there earlier |
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| 21:52.18 | bitanarchy | can i ask raspi2 questions here? |
| 21:53.05 | petn-randall | !raspbian |
| 21:53.05 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 21:53.18 | petn-randall | bitanarchy: You can find their IRC channel here ^^^. |
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| 21:59.52 | MaurizioB | sevak: when did you see it? |
| 22:01.58 | sevak | when I started yoshimi after qjack, but now yoshimi isn't starting |
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| 22:20.48 | MaurizioB | sevak: try to stop jack from qjackctl, be sure that yoshimi is not still running (check it out with ps aux), then restart jack and yoshimi |
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| 22:25.22 | hnv | I have just put an 8GB RAM bar into my thinkpad but `free -m' reports only 3753 of total Mem. Why is that the case? |
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| 22:26.40 | sevak | how do I check with ps aux? I don't see yoshimi listed |
| 22:27.16 | hnv | sevak: does `ps aux | grep yoshimi' give any output? |
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| 22:28.57 | sevak | yes |
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| 22:29.20 | bin_bash | hnv: uname -a |
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| 22:29.53 | hnv | bin_bash: it tells nothing about memory |
| 22:30.12 | bin_bash | hnv: i never said it did |
| 22:30.16 | bin_bash | i asked what the output was |
| 22:30.29 | bin_bash | it will probably tell you if youre using a 32bit or 64 bit OS |
| 22:30.31 | hnv | Linux hostname 4.9.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.18-1 (2017-03-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:30.35 | bin_bash | ok |
| 22:30.44 | hnv | 64bit |
| 22:30.49 | bin_bash | so it /should/ read the 8gb |
| 22:31.14 | ForceRecon | petn-randall: Excuse me sir.. I was informed earlier that the ability to try out debian cinnamon is not possible but you need to commit. I am not questioning what was stated but just curious if you had seen something somewhere in your searches |
| 22:31.24 | hnv | it's a thinkpad with a first generation i5 cpu. Might it be the case that it can't detect that much memory? |
| 22:31.33 | hnv | bin_bash: ^^ |
| 22:31.57 | MaurizioB | sevak: and that output is? |
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| 22:32.05 | hnv | the computer is from 2010 |
| 22:32.25 | sevak | sevak 1527 0.0 0.1 12728 2176 pts/1 S+ 18:32 0:00 grep yoshimi |
| 22:32.44 | sevak | oh ok so that's grep right? |
| 22:33.21 | bin_bash | hnv: thats unlikely. i was able to put an 8gb stick into my i3 ideapad |
| 22:33.26 | bin_bash | but it is possible |
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| 22:35.53 | sevak | got an error when I try to start jack with qjackctl |
| 22:35.59 | petn-randall | hnv: 'cat /proc/meminfo' is more reliable. |
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| 22:43.38 | hnv | according to https://support.lenovo.com/de/en/solutions/pd010141 , the ThinkPad X201 supports up to 8GB of memory. But I am not sure whether it can also be reached by one 8GB bar or only by two 4GB bars... |
| 22:44.10 | ForceRecon | what do I download from here to ensure cinnamon, just the desktop iso? |
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| 22:47.17 | somiaj | ForceRecon: if you are installing debian with a good network connection, just juse the netinstall image and let it download the cinnimon de, you can pick this during the install |
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| 22:55.09 | sevak | ok so I have qjackctl with jack started yoshimi running and connected to system under connection, and the meter is going up but no audio heard |
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| 22:59.31 | Al3xG0 | i need one command cat line not have word "localhost" |
| 22:59.40 | Al3xG0 | i need one command cat line in filetext not have word "localhost" |
| 23:00.43 | fnlkj | remote apt-get update and "needrestart" (i think..) stopped during install (?) requesting to restart some services, but then the connection broke and when i get back on and apt-get .. . it says "..locked"; how do I un-lock or fix it however please? thanks |
| 23:01.38 | fnlkj | E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporaily unavailable) |
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| 23:02.04 | mel00010 | are you sure that no other apt or dpkg process is running? |
| 23:02.25 | mel00010 | Because if the program crashed, then it would not remove the lock file |
| 23:02.28 | fnlkj | uh nop, it prolly is.. any way I could hook back onto where it left off when I lost connection..? |
| 23:02.30 | fnlkj | hm |
| 23:03.05 | mel00010 | run ps -aux | grep apt-get |
| 23:03.55 | fnlkj | https://paste.debian.net/929192/ |
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| 23:05.49 | fnlkj | ..id "killall .." or "kill -9 .." em , or something, but afraid I'd make a big mess after a reboot then.. happened similar things before, heh heh.. |
| 23:06.34 | mel00010 | if its still running, then just leave it |
| 23:06.50 | mel00010 | it will probably finish on its own |
| 23:07.06 | fnlkj | o...hmh..k.. i guess it could be, no idea. hmh! Thanks! |
| 23:08.41 | fnlkj | buttt.....it did (temporarily) stop, as it has done in the past, during the install (?) and asked me if/which services to re-start. In the terminal a graphical window (blue background .. ) came up and I was about to click enter to tell it Okay |
| 23:09.02 | fnlkj | ..I guess it may be waiting for that response stilll, never to come as I disconnected right before being able to send |
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| 23:22.58 | mib8 | hi |
| 23:23.10 | gry | Hi mib8. :) |
| 23:23.41 | mib8 | hi gry, how are you? |
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| 23:24.16 | mib8 | does anyone know how I can generate Xorg.conf? |
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| 23:25.03 | fnlkj | touch Xorg.conf usually works |
| 23:25.13 | gry | I am good, thanks. I recall there is no need to generate it recently as Xorg picks up a lot of defaults. |
| 23:26.01 | mib8 | fnlkj: no need for Xorg -configure and stuff? |
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| 23:26.47 | gry | No. |
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| 23:27.47 | sevak | any suggestions for what do with jack audio |
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| 23:28.53 | mib8 | brb |
| 23:29.27 | ForceRecon | did the live cd debian cinnamon ... no go.. wireless not found and there are two on that laptop. This will be a good learning Live Distro... |
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| 23:31.15 | gry | sevak: it is not working? |
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| 23:31.59 | sevak | gry: yes I've got it running and yoshimi connected to system under connections and no sound |
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| 23:33.30 | gry | sevak: alsa or pulse? |
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| 23:34.22 | mib8 | is anyone using mba6x_backlight driver? |
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| 23:41.36 | sevak | driver is set to alsa |
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| 23:43.30 | gry | !alsa checklist |
| 23:43.30 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 23:43.37 | gry | sevak, ^^ may be useful |
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