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| 00:23.54 | io_elephant | can someone explain something to me? i just installed debian on as a virtualbox guest, then went and mounted virtualbox guest additions. afterwards i went to the folder to run their install script (through ./script.sh), which had execute and read permissions for everyone/group/owner, but got a permission error. when i ran the script through "bash script.sh" it ran fine. what the difference here? |
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| 00:47.34 | alercah | Hi, my computer is syncing timezones wrong. It's somehow syncing the local time but thinking it's UTC |
| 00:47.40 | alercah | I'm in UTC-4, so my clock is actually in UTC-8 |
| 00:48.22 | alercah | http://lpaste.net/3270249130659676160 |
| 00:48.26 | alercah | anyone know how to fix? |
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| 01:06.27 | p3rror | Hello |
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| 01:24.22 | un214 | all right, so what am I supposed to do to get pulseaudio to start at login? |
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| 01:37.42 | Unline | has anyone here got these books ? sed and awk 101 hacks - bash 101 hacks ? |
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| 01:46.47 | ee | Hey guys. I have a very strange problem I never had before, and it just popped up from nowhere after re-installation of Debian. My Internet is slow as fuck and I believe this has something to do with the transfer speed between Internet and modem. It says 10mb/s, shouldn't that be 1000mb/s? |
| 01:47.18 | bazhang | ee no cursing here please |
| 01:47.58 | alercah | ee: Depends on the connection you're paying for with your ISP. There are places where 10 is common |
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| 01:49.17 | ee | alercah: My ISP delivers much higher than that. |
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| 01:49.37 | ee | alercah: My contract with them is much higher than that* |
| 01:50.44 | ee | Besides, the transfer speed between modem and computer should be 1000mb/s nomatter what my ISP deliver, or am I wrong? |
| 01:50.59 | alercah | ee: you said between Internet and modem :) |
| 01:51.12 | alercah | between computer and modem is usually either 100 or 1000 depending on the hardware involved |
| 01:51.17 | alercah | assuming wired |
| 01:51.29 | ee | alercah: Sorry for that, I didn't mean what I said :) |
| 01:51.44 | ee | Right, wired. so 10mb/s means something is wrong./ |
| 01:51.55 | alercah | first guess is bad cable |
| 01:52.12 | alercah | spent hours diagnosing network problems before, swapped cables, magically fixed! |
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| 01:52.34 | un214 | nice! |
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| 01:53.24 | ee | uh, never had problem with that before.. |
| 01:53.24 | un214 | anyway I faced down this problem years ago, I ended up ordering the network card out of auto-detect and manually set the port speed |
| 01:54.21 | ee | Could be right un214, I did install this time with internet connection. never did that before. |
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| 02:10.35 | blastwave | so suddenly .. for no real reason, audio stopping working on my little machine. I give up trying to diagnose and just want to move onwards. So .. how do I set my very stable debian 8 machine to move onwards to stretch ? |
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| 02:13.59 | LiuYan | blastwave: you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list, and replace 'jessie' to 'stretch', then `apt update && apt upgrade` |
| 02:16.22 | blastwave | LiuYan: trying the instructions at https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-upgrade-debian-8-jessie-to-debian-9-stretch |
| 02:17.43 | LiuYan | blastwave: nice, very detail instruction. |
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| 02:18.42 | blastwave | LiuYan: I shall let you know if it works |
| 02:19.11 | sevak | \window page_down |
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| 02:20.23 | sevak | aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav is not working for me. Trying to get jack audio in order. |
| 02:20.25 | blastwave | woo hoo 997 upgraded, 178 newly installed, 0 to remove and 234 not upgraded. |
| 02:20.41 | LiuYan | blastwave: Thanks! About the audio problem, I almost encounted this problem annually when weather got high humidity, because my sound card is not integrated on motherboard, it's a PCI sound card. |
| 02:20.57 | sevak | is that a sign that I need to unmute something? |
| 02:21.02 | un214 | sevak: possible you have the same problem I did: pulseaudio not starting on login |
| 02:21.26 | un214 | also yeah, run alsamixer as root and fix your audio settings its muted on upgrade again |
| 02:21.30 | blastwave | LiuYan: I am just tired of the battle with pulese audio and alsa |
| 02:21.49 | blastwave | I feel caught in the middle and wonder which works |
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| 02:22.25 | blastwave | however having said this I live my days with big servers that have no sound other than fans |
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| 02:22.44 | sevak | I ran alsamixer and card and chip is listed as pulseaudio, and doesn't seem to be muted |
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| 02:23.26 | blastwave | runs apt upgrade to be followed by apt full-upgrade |
| 02:24.00 | blastwave | question unrelated .. anyone found the answer to http://3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592.com/index11.html |
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| 02:26.43 | blastwave | thinks he needs to step up again in a big way https://www.gnu.org/thankgnus/2016supporters.html |
| 02:26.50 | koollman | blastwave: yes |
| 02:27.15 | koollman | blastwave: read the source of the first index :) |
| 02:27.51 | blastwave | koollman: I sort of did ..but was in a rush |
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| 02:28.09 | blastwave | right now I think gnu needs my energy and time |
| 02:28.13 | koollman | blastwave: do it again, then. took me all of 3 minutes to find it |
| 02:28.33 | blastwave | koollman: help me here .. source of ? |
| 02:28.33 | un214 | what's with that pi guy |
| 02:28.55 | blastwave | un214: some old gnu guiy .. ignore him |
| 02:29.25 | koollman | blastwave: of the first index of the website. / , if you prefer |
| 02:29.46 | blastwave | koollman: one sec |
| 02:30.24 | blastwave | okay .. script ad client etc .. and ? |
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| 02:30.51 | blastwave | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.52 | blastwave | yes |
| 02:31.15 | blastwave | nice :-) |
| 02:31.24 | blastwave | win all around |
| 02:31.41 | blastwave | so let;s take care of GNU |
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| 02:32.46 | blastwave | anyone have a love hate relationship with UNIX ? |
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| 02:33.28 | koollman | not really. more like nostalgia |
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| 02:36.06 | UNIX | unix is here |
| 02:36.50 | koollman | probably not right here |
| 02:36.58 | koollman | maybe in #*bsd :) |
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| 02:37.40 | un214 | the power and flame and spirit of unix is here |
| 02:38.18 | blastwave | well .. tired hgere ...should move on .. however Ian worked on a UNIX projuect to move it along |
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| 02:40.50 | koollman | un214: I remember reading the art of unix programing, and the tao of unix programming, and ... no. it's not here anymore |
| 02:41.04 | blastwave | ( scottish accet } it was an act of kinfness |
| 02:41.29 | AlexLikeRock | unix its buy by SUSE |
| 02:41.37 | AlexLikeRock | :-D |
| 02:41.39 | blastwave | koollman: too many gnuisms |
| 02:41.49 | koollman | blastwave: and not enough unix simplicity |
| 02:41.56 | AlexLikeRock | GNU ! GNU !! GNU !!! |
| 02:41.58 | koollman | and modularity... |
| 02:42.03 | blastwave | well we tried |
| 02:42.10 | un214 | I have regained it |
| 02:42.40 | blastwave | Iam was flaberghyasted by politicl problems where I was left with tech problems |
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| 02:43.29 | un214 | I can by a glueball of scripts do what the overweight stuff does |
| 02:43.42 | blastwave | so ayways .. FSF needs a wee donation : https://www.gnu.org/thankgnus/2016supporters.html |
| 02:44.07 | koollman | http://huffman.sourceforge.net/tao/tao-of-programming.html#book4 "A program should follow the `Law of Least Astonishment'." ... mostly lost nowadays :) |
| 02:44.22 | blastwave | Law of Least |
| 02:44.26 | blastwave | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.32 | blastwave | least .. yes |
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| 02:44.36 | blastwave | ys I agree |
| 02:45.08 | blastwave | never astonish the user was an old rule |
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| 02:47.28 | blastwave | calling it a night ..shall folow up on my usual FSF supports soon |
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| 03:31.31 | looper | i want to know how to configure port |
| 03:31.38 | gry | what port? |
| 03:31.45 | looper | local port |
| 03:31.54 | looper | in computer |
| 03:32.32 | gry | your computer has a usb port |
| 03:32.41 | looper | yes |
| 03:32.44 | gry | do you want to configure your usb port? |
| 03:33.12 | looper | not tha port incoming port for internet |
| 03:33.45 | gry | browser talks to websites over port 80 (http) and 443 (https) |
| 03:34.21 | looper | ok |
| 03:34.31 | gry | what do you want to do? |
| 03:34.45 | uxfi | hi gr |
| 03:34.47 | uxfi | hi gry |
| 03:35.01 | gry | hi uxfi, can I help you? |
| 03:35.18 | looper | i need to learn how to hack android phones and facebook |
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| 03:36.59 | looper | gry r u there |
| 03:37.05 | gry | looper: you can hack things which you run |
| 03:37.18 | gry | looper: you can do that to your android, but not to facebook |
| 03:37.25 | looper | ok |
| 03:37.45 | gry | looper: does your android use debian? |
| 03:37.54 | looper | no |
| 03:38.03 | gry | how can I help you, then? |
| 03:38.08 | looper | ok |
| 03:38.29 | looper | but how android makes daebian |
| 03:38.49 | looper | android use daebian |
| 03:38.52 | gry | there are android apps which include debian |
| 03:39.08 | at0m | gry: i've long given up on this one |
| 03:39.26 | gry | looper: they run debian within android. like a virtual machine |
| 03:39.33 | gry | looper: what is your native language? |
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| 03:39.36 | gry | at0m: ok |
| 03:39.42 | looper | malayalam |
| 03:39.52 | gry | malaysia? |
| 03:39.58 | uxfi | no gry |
| 03:40.05 | uxfi | Malyayam is a South Indian language |
| 03:40.11 | looper | ya |
| 03:40.47 | gry | looper: ok. see https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia and irc://irc.oftc.net/debian-in |
| 03:40.55 | gry | looper: it is Debian India |
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| 03:41.27 | looper | ok |
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| 04:20.14 | Vagabondy | Hello. How come on linux display seems a little fuzzier as though there is a slightly lower refresh rate or something? |
| 04:20.26 | buu | perception |
| 04:20.44 | Vagabondy | for a long time i've been trying to figure out what's hurting my eyes and i've finally pinpointed it: it's some weird fuzziness |
| 04:20.49 | Vagabondy | nah.. it's not just perception. |
| 04:20.55 | themill | different font is most likely, differently configured sub-pixel rendering is also possible |
| 04:20.59 | gry | click a button on the monitor to calibrate it |
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| 04:21.36 | Vagabondy | no, got nothing to do with the font. I actually noticed it on dosbox window and compared it to Windows' version |
| 04:21.41 | Vagabondy | same size, same settings |
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| 04:21.54 | Vagabondy | on windows it's crisp and clear |
| 04:22.08 | Vagabondy | on linux... fuzzy and i can't bear staring at one spot for a long time either. |
| 04:22.10 | themill | a dosbox window still uses a font |
| 04:22.18 | Vagabondy | doh... |
| 04:22.30 | Vagabondy | it's the same font, c'mon.. it's not smoothed or anything |
| 04:22.43 | themill | which font is it then? |
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| 04:23.43 | hanasaki | anyone have results on how well ryzen is working with linux? driver support |
| 04:23.43 | Vagabondy | microsoft system font which is rendered by dosbox and perceived technically as plain graphics outside dosbox shell, meaning it got nothing to do with font rendering as such |
| 04:23.44 | hanasaki | ? |
| 04:24.10 | Vagabondy | it means, the PIXELS are fuzzy, not fonts |
| 04:24.40 | themill | Vagabondy: is the monitor running in its correct resolution? |
| 04:24.45 | Vagabondy | yes |
| 04:24.49 | Vagabondy | 1920x1080 |
| 04:24.56 | Vagabondy | it's always been correct |
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| 04:25.11 | themill | screenshot? |
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| 04:25.54 | Vagabondy | can't make one now, i'm on windows.. but you probably know that in cases like that screenshots are likely to show better results |
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| 04:26.15 | themill | I don't believe the "pixels are fuzzy" thing. |
| 04:26.29 | Vagabondy | nobody says they are per se |
| 04:26.55 | themill | you just did... |
| 04:27.14 | themill | It's awfully hard to help with imprecise descriptions and no images to compare. |
| 04:27.47 | Vagabondy | i'm pretty sure the images would look identical |
| 04:27.49 | Vagabondy | but ok, fine |
| 04:27.59 | Vagabondy | let's just say.. i'm making things up ;) |
| 04:28.13 | themill | Well if the images look identical, that is a useful piece of information. |
| 04:29.39 | Vagabondy | I'll do it later. But suppose they are identical, then what? |
| 04:30.22 | themill | we're back to subpixel rendering configuration and checking if the resolution really is right |
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| 04:31.05 | themill | It might be worth making an actual image to test this out with rather than rendered text too. |
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| 04:36.47 | kion | is usin apt better than apt-get? |
| 04:36.51 | kion | using |
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| 04:37.53 | sptnx | apt is more bloated |
| 04:38.13 | themill | umm... no. |
| 04:38.43 | themill | kion: it has slightly different options that are better for upgrades but otherwise it is just less typing |
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| 04:44.38 | kion | themill, thanks |
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| 04:51.19 | awal1 | aptitude/apt-get/apt changelog pkgname ok; what about news? |
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| 05:11.49 | cheo | ð |
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| 05:43.36 | m0rd3cai | does anyone know if WebNMS comes installed by default in debian? |
| 05:43.47 | m0rd3cai | i havent found much information otherwise |
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| 06:19.52 | SagelessFox | on debian 8 is there anyway to make gnome terminal transparent? |
| 06:21.33 | ebol4_ | SagelessFox yes, it's somewhere in the settings in the terminal window |
| 06:21.40 | ebol4_ | can't remember exactly as I'm not in gnome |
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| 06:22.28 | SagelessFox | ebol4_ but the problem is I cannot find it anyway. On ubuntu I can find it easily though. |
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| 06:22.51 | FreddyP | SagelessFox: do you hve Gnome 3 installed ? |
| 06:22.51 | SagelessFox | the transparent function works properly on suse, arch also |
| 06:22.57 | SagelessFox | yes |
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| 06:24.26 | abff | SagelessFox on xfce I have to enable the compositor before I can set windows to be transparent |
| 06:24.39 | abff | Maybe your gnome3 does something similar? |
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| 06:26.12 | abff | https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/134/opacify/ |
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| 06:30.18 | SagelessFox | ah thanks for the link abff. but it is for the global scale..not just gnome terminal though |
| 06:31.53 | abff | ah okay then in that case use this extension https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/684/transparent-windows/ |
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| 06:32.05 | abff | it does the same thing but you can set it to only make the terminal transparrent |
| 06:32.17 | abff | "simple mode" |
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| 06:33.44 | FreddyP | appartantely the transparent terminal option was removed by the gnome developers |
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| 06:35.18 | alprazolam | Another masterstroke |
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| 06:35.59 | abff | Isn't terminator a fork of the old gnome shell vt? |
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| 06:36.22 | abff | I'd just use terminator, hell I use it in xfce all the time |
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| 06:37.08 | alprazolam | Terminator is good |
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| 06:37.26 | alprazolam | You can also split windows in it if you dont know how to use screen or tmux |
| 06:38.18 | abff | kinda slow but what do you expect from python |
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| 06:38.36 | SagelessFox | ah..abff ty for the link..checking that one |
| 06:38.44 | abff | SagelessFox just use terminator |
| 06:38.49 | SagelessFox | FreddyP why do they remove it? |
| 06:38.50 | abff | that extension bs seems bloaty |
| 06:39.05 | abff | sudo apt install terminator |
| 06:39.06 | abff | :) |
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| 06:39.11 | FreddyP | SagelessFox: not sure i just read a few blogs |
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| 06:39.22 | FreddyP | and many confirmed the feature had been removed |
| 06:39.24 | FreddyP | i dont know why |
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| 06:42.03 | SagelessFox | okay |
| 06:42.03 | SagelessFox | ..ty for the info |
| 06:42.03 | SagelessFox | abff I will install it |
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| 07:48.30 | brittb0ss | soooooo I've never really used IRC before. Is it still a thing? |
| 07:49.27 | jolt | brittb0ss: Yes. |
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| 07:56.12 | Iridos | jolt, no! |
| 07:57.00 | jolt | Iridos: Apperantly not for brittb0ss |
| 07:57.22 | Iridos | well⦠he/she/it left the moment you answered⦠it was like "ok. found out. mission accomplished" |
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| 08:22.28 | dionysus69 | wow nfs is so much faster than smb |
| 08:22.48 | dionysus69 | smb peak was 35mb/s while nfs hits 60 and stays over 50 |
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| 08:25.44 | jolt | dionysus69: I think that I read something about NFS being stateless while SMB is stateful, so it also depends on what and how you transfer. I just does more stuff. Also encryption overhead (depending on which NFS/SMB protocol is used). But yeah, hooray for saturating links! :D |
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| 08:39.54 | bodqhrohro | Is there a direct analog of `rpm -qal` for dpkg/apt? The first idea is to make `dpkg -L` for all installed packages in a loop but I'm afraid this will take much more time and generate much more duplicates than direct listing of files controlled by apt if there is one. |
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| 08:41.37 | petn-randall | bodqhrohro: What does 'rpm -qal' do? Note that we're all Debian users in here. :) |
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| 08:45.10 | bodqhrohro | petn-randall: it lists every file from every package controlled by rpm. I need such a list to compare with a whole list of files in / and find the files not known to the package manager |
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| 08:48.36 | petn-randall | bodqhrohro: And why are you doing that? |
| 08:48.45 | petn-randall | senses a XY problem. |
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| 08:50.07 | dionysus69 | system just hung up |
| 08:50.34 | bodqhrohro | petn-randall: I have some self-written scripts in /usr/bin:/usr/sbin and want to backup them |
| 08:50.48 | dionysus69 | I had to press ctrl + alt + backspace to reset gnome, how do Ifind this event in dmesg? |
| 08:51.11 | petn-randall | bodqhrohro: You can install 'dlocate' and just run 'dlocate /path/to/file' on them. If it returns nothing, it's not shipped by any package. |
| 08:52.26 | jolt | dionysus69: I don't think that dmesg is the place where that is logged. Try looking in /var/log and see if there is a x.something file in there |
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| 08:53.14 | dionysus69 | theres no x file at all :S |
| 08:54.05 | petn-randall | jolt: I don't remember either of them having encryption ... |
| 08:54.55 | dionysus69 | https://pastebin.com/XuHzFD1b |
| 08:54.59 | jolt | dionysus69: Then you probably have to do "ls -lart" and see which files are recently modified, and then look through those files for log. Try with messages/syslog |
| 08:55.05 | dionysus69 | maybe this? its in dmesg |
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| 08:57.11 | dionysus69 | maybe this line ? Apr 25 12:37:12 debgen remmina.desktop[15601]: PatBlt: unknown rop: 0x00FA0089 |
| 08:57.32 | dionysus69 | there are over thousand lines like that in /var/log/messages |
| 08:57.49 | dionysus69 | in the same timeframe as the lag |
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| 08:58.40 | jolt | dionysus69: definitely looks like something happened with your graphics driver at that time. But I don't use that stuff so I cant assist. |
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| 09:00.30 | dionysus69 | :) |
| 09:00.36 | dionysus69 | thanks anyways! x) |
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| 09:05.10 | noesc | Hi, I've upgraded from jessie to testing (and now sid) and have started to experience screen flickering/artifacts. It would make sense if this was related to powersaving modes since it almost completely disappear when I do something actively (typing, mousemovements etc.). Some forums & guides recommends to try and disable rc6, this didn't help at all. Any suggestions how to continue? (Intel HD5500 with i915 |
| 09:05.12 | noesc | driver) |
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| 09:08.14 | snapdata | I'm completely stumped. Trying to setup a wifi repeater: https://pastebin.com/raw/YQRk6TLx I can SSH into the box on both networks, but can't access the internet on either. I can't ping out from the box nor the connecting box, nor can I resolve DNS. The debian box has no problem connecting to the internet as long as I reset everything (iptables, disable dnsmasq, hostapd) |
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| 09:08.29 | jelly | noesc: if you're on sid, ask in |
| 09:08.31 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 09:08.31 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 09:09.18 | jelly | noesc: it might also be worth your while to ask in #xorg or #intel-gfx here on freenode |
| 09:09.37 | noesc | jelly - I only upgraded to SID because the problem started with TESTING =) |
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| 09:10.03 | noesc | I'll start with #intel-gfx thanks! |
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| 09:19.09 | petn-randall | TIL some people think upgrading to sid is the solution, not the source of their problems. :P |
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| 09:24.35 | Brigo | hi, i am trying to install oracle java with make-jpkg, and i get this error when installing with dpkg: paste.debian.net/929215/ |
| 09:24.57 | Brigo | how can i work arount it? |
| 09:25.28 | Brigo | i am wondering if it is a dpkg bug. |
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| 09:54.05 | g0zzy | My Calendar is now broken since Icedove->Thunderbird. Options to configure it are greyed out |
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| 09:59.31 | janisozaur | hi, any volunteers to help with deb packaging for OpenRCT2? https://github.com/OpenRCT2/OpenRCT2 |
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| 09:59.41 | Epakai | Brigo: dpkg won't install dependencies. i think you can just run apt-get -f afterwards to fix broken dependencies |
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| 10:00.36 | petn-randall | janisozaur: You might want to ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net for tips how to package it. |
| 10:00.59 | Brigo | Epakai, that's not the problem, i already tryed it. |
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| 10:01.15 | janisozaur | petn-randall: roger that |
| 10:01.35 | Brigo | Epakai, i have that package installed and in a newer version as you can see in debian policy. |
| 10:01.37 | janisozaur | petn-randall: "Invite only channel" |
| 10:01.56 | petn-randall | janisozaur: Are you sure you tried connecting on the right IRC network? |
| 10:02.06 | petn-randall | janisozaur: It's not on freenode. |
| 10:02.31 | janisozaur | where is it? |
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| 10:02.47 | petn-randall | janisozaur: As I said, irc.oftc.net. |
| 10:02.59 | janisozaur | ah, didn't register. thanks. |
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| 10:08.30 | BluesKaj | 'Morning folks |
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| 10:12.05 | g0zzy | My Calendar is now broken since Icedove->Thunderbird. Options to configure it are greyed out |
| 10:13.51 | Epakai | Brigo: i tried to make the oracle package using java-package's make-jpkg and the result was a depend on libc6 (>=2.7). really unsure why your package depends on a :i386 arch version of libc6-amd64 |
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| 10:14.41 | Brigo | Epakai, what version do you download? |
| 10:15.00 | Epakai | 8u131 |
| 10:15.17 | Brigo | Epakai, the full name of the archive please so i can compare with mine. |
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| 10:23.45 | Epakai | http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/8u131-b11/d54c1d3a095b4ff2b6607d096fa80163/jre-8u131-linux-x64.tar.gz, i tried the 8u121 archive on jessie and stretch and got the same depend |
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| 10:26.43 | Brigo | Epakai, i downloaded jre-8u121-linux-x64.tar.gz, yours are newer, but is linux64 as mine. |
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| 10:31.49 | Epakai | Brigo: oh i see, if you run make-jpkg and have libc6-amd64 installed then it will depend on it. now i get the same error |
| 10:33.22 | Brigo | Epakai, i can remove it. Let's try it! :) |
| 10:33.31 | Epakai | maybe that's worth filing a bug against java-package |
| 10:34.00 | Brigo | Epakai, yes. |
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| 10:39.38 | Epakai | i don't think dpkg it considers libc6-amd64 as a dependency candidate since it is from a different arch |
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| 10:46.46 | kalipso | hey guys im having trouble with dnsmasq. i have a lxc container as router with two interfaces eth0 (connected to external network 10.2.2.0/24) and eth1 (connected to internal network 10.0.0.0/24). to be connected with the outside i need a default route via 10.2.2.1 dev eth0, but with that route dhcp server is not working. but as soon as i change default route to 10.2.2.1 dev eth1 dhcp works fine, but then iam |
| 10:46.48 | kalipso | not connected to the internet... help please |
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| 10:47.28 | kalipso | sorry: "as soon as i change default route to 10.0.0.1 dev eth1" |
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| 10:49.51 | tw | your router is getting its address and routes by dhcp? That sounds like all kinds of bad ideas. |
| 10:50.08 | tw | on both interfaces or just eth1? |
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| 10:50.41 | tw | or are you serving dhcp? |
| 10:50.59 | kalipso | on eth0 it gets addres by dhcp, on eth1 i have a static ip of 10.0.0.1 and serve dhcp |
| 10:51.20 | kalipso | dnsmasq interface=eth1 |
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| 10:53.19 | tw | what does the dnsmasq log say? |
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| 10:56.39 | kalipso | depending on the default route i set. when i route via eth0 dhcp log says nothing. tcpdump shows that dhcp request are incoming but they dont get handled, when route to eth1 dhcp log is as it should be, giving netmask,broadcast dns ect |
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| 10:58.38 | kalipso | i have another container doing the excat same think and it works.. only difference is my iptables rules... but i have an extra roule "-A INPUT -i eth1 -p udp -m udp --sport 67:68 --dport 67:68 -j ACCEPT" |
| 10:58.48 | kalipso | rule* |
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| 10:59.12 | kalipso | i realy dont get it, trying it since yesterday morning |
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| 10:59.41 | tw | and if you add that rule to this lxc container, do you get a working dnsmasq? |
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| 11:00.51 | kalipso | mmh ure right i should try that, brb |
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| 11:08.24 | Enrico_Menotti | Hello. Need help with module handling. I need to tell the kernel to load two modules right after boot (the rootfs is mounted correctly, but afterwards the system reboots due to a couple of modules missing). I found info here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/kernel_modules, but I don't know whether this be correct for Debian. Also here: https://wiki.debian.org/Modules, but I don't understand whether this be for |
| 11:08.25 | Enrico_Menotti | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:13.19 | corner_cubicle | Enrico_Menotti : add your modules to your initrd |
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| 11:13.52 | thyriaen | Does anyone else have problems with Geary ( the e-mail client ? ) i am experiencing crashes, bugs in resizing the window and generally some wonky bugs concerning the gui, like maximising does not really work ( when i maximize the window it just gets shrinked into one small band across the monitor ( could have been connected to multi-monitor setup ? ) |
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| 11:15.00 | Enrico_Menotti | corner_cubicle There is no initrd. Anyway, never mind, I found https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/modules-load.d.html. |
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| 11:35.16 | Akuw | I have one Powershell file, can I run it on linux? |
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| 11:39.23 | jelly | Akuw: there's no powershell binary package for debian at present, https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell also besides that, it really depends on which APIs it uses |
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| 11:48.21 | petn-randall | Enrico_Menotti: Is this on Debian jessie? |
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| 11:51.13 | Enrico_Menotti | petn-randall Yes, but I was trying not to use systemd. But nevermind. I will build the two modules into the kernel. |
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| 11:54.37 | petn-randall | Enrico_Menotti: How is the initramfs related to systemd? |
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| 11:56.06 | Enrico_Menotti | I don't use the initramfs. I directly mount the rootfs. |
| 11:56.24 | petn-randall | Enrico_Menotti: Adding it to /etc/modules should be enough, then. |
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| 11:58.27 | Enrico_Menotti | Seems not to work. I'm asking on #devuan and seems there is kmod which should care about loading modules listed in /etc/modules. Somehow, that does not happen. |
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| 12:03.48 | petn-randall | Enrico_Menotti: Are you running Devuan? |
| 12:04.26 | Enrico_Menotti | Both Debian and Devuan. Debian runs fine; I'm trying to set up Devuan. |
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| 12:14.46 | Pavilion | test |
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| 12:21.23 | hid3 | Hello. ANyone using openvpn on Debian 9? It doesn't seem to start corectly and pick up my config file. systemd unit file contains /bin/true in ExecStart and ExecReload directives. Is this something supposed to be or am I missing something? |
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| 12:22.16 | ashka | hid3: you need to use openvpn@your-config-file-name-here probably |
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| 12:22.54 | hid3 | alright. But why has it changed? |
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| 12:26.24 | ashka | hid3: for consistency I believe, in the past you had to edit /etc/default/openvpn to choose which VPNs to start with init.d, so the only lost feature is "all" (aka init.d starts all VPNs). Check the 'openvpn@' unit file if you want to see the internals |
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| 12:28.58 | hid3 | got it. |
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| 12:37.05 | BluesKaj | hid3, I copied the server.ovpn files to /etc/openvpn and the .crt and .pem files as well . then I use the console to connect to the vpnserver,..and the commands are aliased in ~/.bash_aliases file. Not using network-manager in this setup |
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| 12:37.38 | hid3 | ashka: does /etc/default/openvpn config is still being parsed? I added some options to OPTARGS variable but seems they are ignored... |
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| 12:39.07 | petn-randall | Enrico_Menotti: Then I guess you have to ask in the Devuan channel. We don't support derivatives in here. And since it works fine in Debian but not in Devuan ... |
| 12:40.06 | Enrico_Menotti | petn-randall Yes, I am discussing there, thank you. I've been wrong in asking here. Sorry. |
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| 12:43.16 | ashka | hid3: I'm not sure, if 'openvpn@' is not using it I'd guess it isn't |
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| 12:50.20 | jolt | hid3: read in the /etc/default/openvpn file, if you are using systemd, then you need to do systemctl daemon-reload |
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| 12:58.33 | hid3 | great, thanks |
| 12:58.56 | BluesKaj | shrugs |
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| 13:07.10 | hid3 | Why did Debian start using freebsd-style network interface names? it used to be eth0-ethX, now I have eno0, eno1, ens1f0, ens1f1 |
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| 13:08.38 | zykotick9 | hid3: s/Debian/linux/ |
| 13:08.38 | BluesKaj | that's systemd nomenclature hid3 |
| 13:09.28 | jolt | hid3: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ |
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| 13:11.21 | Brigo | Epakai, it worked! :) |
| 13:11.36 | Brigo | Epakai, sorry for the delay. |
| 13:12.16 | hid3 | alright. Not sure what "problems" it resolved, never had any. And even if I had (interfaces renamed after reboot of HW change), I could add a persistent network rule and bing a device by pciid or MAC address to interface name |
| 13:12.22 | tw | jolt: thanks for that link, I was wondering about the algorithm. |
| 13:13.17 | hid3 | now the question is how do I rename ens1f0 to ens1f1 and the existing ens1f1 to ens1f2 (to match manufacturers markings on the phycical NICs which are "1" and "2" and not 0 and 1) ? |
| 13:13.39 | tw | hid3: in RHEL6, it was really easy to get into a condition where reboots would flip between the two interface ports if the system couldn't write a MAC to the persistent name log. |
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| 13:14.03 | tw | It's not just there, but that's the most easy example for me to point out. |
| 13:14.16 | hid3 | well, debian is not rhel. That's the main reason debian is my preference |
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| 13:14.37 | hid3 | any possibility to rename the interfaces? |
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| 13:14.45 | tw | hid3: I believe you can edit the udev device rules to set the name. |
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| 13:14.56 | hid3 | seems there aren't any |
| 13:15.04 | hid3 | (at least at the old location) |
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| 13:15.19 | hid3 | root@test-deb:/etc/udev/rules.d# ls |
| 13:15.19 | hid3 | 60-vboxdrv.rules |
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| 13:16.21 | tw | hid3: maybe https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.link.html ? |
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| 13:16.46 | jolt | hid3: maybe search for "rename interface linux systemd udev" or so |
| 13:17.15 | teraflops | hid3: may I ask why do you want the old naming scheme? |
| 13:17.50 | hid3 | there's nothing there, I've already checked it: |
| 13:17.50 | hid3 | root@test-deb:/etc/systemd/network# ls |
| 13:17.51 | hid3 | root@test-deb:/etc/systemd/network# |
| 13:18.34 | hid3 | teraflops: I do not want the OLD scheme, I want to rename interface numbers. I have ens1f0 and ens1f1. I need to rename them to ens1f1 and ens1f2 |
| 13:18.52 | teraflops | hid3: why? |
| 13:19.33 | hid3 | that way it would match what's printed on the hardware (1), secondly, in the system I have two more interfaces which are eno1 and eno2. There's no eno0. So why the hell there should be ens1f0?? |
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| 13:19.58 | teraflops | hid3: huh |
| 13:20.49 | hid3 | I really liked eth0-ethX naming. eth0 interface was always facing "the internet" on my systems. Pretty obvious, clear and makes sense. Now these random names make systems not unified |
| 13:20.53 | ForceRecon | how does anyone feel about Qubes OS with Whonix |
| 13:21.05 | teraflops | hid3: sorry I just joined so maybe I'm missing context. what does match what's printed on the hardware mean? |
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| 13:22.26 | aypea[3] | hid3: if you're going to rename, go all the way. don't get in the way of the automated scheme. |
| 13:22.47 | ForceRecon | seems like qubes would be very resource intensive |
| 13:22.53 | hid3 | teraflops: My server has got 4 ethernet ports. Two intergrated, and an add-on dual head card. Integrated ports have "1" and "2" numbers near the RJ45 connections to distinguish which is which. In system they appear as eno1 and eno2. eno1 matches the "1" and eno2 matches the "2". Good! But... ens1f0 does NTO match the "1" stamped on the add-on nic. |
| 13:22.58 | hid3 | hope you understand |
| 13:23.45 | hid3 | what I need to do is the following: ens1f1 -> ens1f2, then ens1f0 -> ens1f1. That would be perfect to me! |
| 13:23.46 | teraflops | hid3: so you want to rename the interfaces because the stickers on the rj45 ports? |
| 13:23.55 | teraflops | ಠ_ಠ|
| 13:24.05 | hid3 | teraflops: not the stickers but factory stamping in metal. yes. |
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| 13:26.53 | teraflops | hid3: ok then, label printers are fine too (just saying) |
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| 13:27.53 | tehcha | my wifi wont work, I added a network={ssid="blah" psk="mybirthday"} to my wpa_suplicant conf |
| 13:27.58 | tehcha | but to no avail |
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| 13:28.44 | hid3 | teraflops: so the new schema is "so perfect" that it's impossible to rename the provided interfaces based by pciid, mac address or other criteria? No thanks but I want the old methods then... |
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| 13:29.13 | hid3 | I don't like any labels on servers, on cables or anywhere else. I like factory/OEM look and style, everywhere |
| 13:29.28 | teraflops | hid3: lol. go rename then to whatever floats your goat |
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| 13:30.15 | hid3 | problem is that I can't find _any_ information on where to start renaming them |
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| 13:35.55 | teraflops | hid3: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Network_configuration#Change_device_name |
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| 13:47.10 | hid3 | excellent, renamed them by pciid. Thanks a lot |
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| 13:49.42 | brenlae | anybody know why when i installed liballegro5-dev it didn't put the libraries in /usr/lib? |
| 13:49.49 | brenlae | i installed it via synaptic |
| 13:51.44 | brenlae | hmm |
| 13:51.47 | brenlae | well i'll be back |
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| 13:51.49 | EmleyMoor | brenlae: Can you explain where it did put them? |
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| 14:07.56 | zbrah | hello, i've installed apparmor and i see no /var/log/audit* but it's installed... apparmor sends by default logs to /var/log/messages (but _not always_) |
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| 14:10.15 | sine0 | if someone trasnfers a domain over to me will the dns settings/mx record be disturbed ? |
| 14:10.36 | zbrah | what do you mean? |
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| 14:12.23 | teraflops | sine0: A/AAAA records for sure if they point to different ip addresses |
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| 14:18.02 | edgar | 1.) Does debian have qt5? |
| 14:18.26 | edgar | 2.) does debian still use libav? |
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| 14:19.37 | mmoreno80 | hi there! anyone knows where to get a deb package to install emacs 25.2 in debian? |
| 14:19.39 | zbrah | edgar: search for qt5 at packages.debian.org |
| 14:19.40 | jelly | edgar: 1) yes and 2) yes for the current release, most apps have been built with ffmpeg's libs for stretch I think |
| 14:19.56 | edgar | so what you're saying is use stretch? :V |
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| 14:20.08 | zbrah | use stable |
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| 14:21.06 | jelly | edgar: no, I have no idea what your goal is |
| 14:21.18 | zbrah | hello, i've installed apparmor and i see no /var/log/audit* but it's installed... apparmor sends by default logs to /var/log/messages (but _not always_) |
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| 14:22.14 | edgar | I recall trying to use OBS and it failing to compile on stable because of libav |
| 14:22.22 | edgar | which was very frustrating :P |
| 14:22.36 | edgar | jelly: ^ |
| 14:22.59 | edgar | they use ffmpeg for OBS last I checked lemme see if they still do |
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| 14:23.23 | jelly | what is OBS? |
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| 14:23.37 | jelly | ,v libavformat-dev |
| 14:23.38 | judd | Package: libavformat-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.20-0+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 6:10.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 6:11.8-1~deb8u1; jessie: 6:11.8-1~deb8u1; jessie-backports: 7:3.2.4-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.2.4-1; sid: 7:3.2.4-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:3.3-dmo2 |
| 14:23.39 | edgar | open broadcaster software (or was it system?) |
| 14:23.50 | edgar | It's for streaming :P |
| 14:23.56 | jelly | there's ffmpeg in jessie-backports. |
| 14:24.26 | sine0 | teraflops: zbrah: Im working witha company that wants to get their domain access from the origional web guy. they are quite busy here and i dont want their mail disturbed during the process. |
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| 14:24.51 | zbrah | sine0: do you use on your production server grsec and/or apparmor? |
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| 14:25.41 | jhutchins_wk | sine0: Simply transferring domain registration has no effect on DNS records. |
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| 14:26.15 | sine0 | zbrah: why ? |
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| 14:26.52 | sine0 | um never mind. |
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| 14:27.10 | zbrah | sine0: just asking, apparmor here doesn't want to open up a file to php has permissions... and apparmor rules are probably correct |
| 14:27.39 | sine0 | havent a clue mate |
| 14:27.46 | jelly | zbrah: where did you get decent apparmor policies for debian |
| 14:27.58 | zbrah | I wrote myself my own profile |
| 14:28.04 | jelly | ha |
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| 14:28.59 | mmoreno80 | found emacs version 25.1 on unstable/testing |
| 14:29.11 | zbrah | jelly: any suggestions? |
| 14:29.29 | jelly | if I had any I'd voice them |
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| 14:30.55 | jhutchins_wk | How are Debian admins dealing with the EOL of PHP5? |
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| 14:32.48 | zbrah | jhutchins_wk: what do you mean. |
| 14:33.25 | nkuttler | jhutchins_wk: have the devs upgrade to a supported php release? |
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| 14:35.59 | jhutchins_wk | Official support for 5.6 ended in January https://secure.php.net/supported-versions.php - that's the last of the 5 series. |
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| 14:37.32 | zbrah | Could it be linked |
| 14:37.33 | zbrah | PHP message: PHP Fatal error: require(): Failed opening required '/var/www/prestashop/config/config.inc.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in /var |
| 14:37.36 | zbrah | /www/prestashop/index.php on line 27" while reading response header from upstream, client: 127.0.0.1, server: _, request: "GET /prestashop/ HTTP/1.0", upstream: "fastcgi://unix:/var/run/php5-fpm.sock:", host: "localhost" |
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| 14:37.58 | zbrah | to "deny owner /**/*.php mrwlkx," ? |
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| 14:48.37 | acresearch | people what is the difference between chmod 775 FILENAME and chmod a+x FILENAME? |
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| 14:49.19 | petn-randall | acresearch: Did you check the wonderful man page yet? |
| 14:49.31 | acresearch | no :-( |
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| 14:50.13 | petn-randall | acresearch: That's the first place I'd look. It's got an explanation for all parameters. â man chmod |
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| 14:50.25 | mmoreno80 | acresearch: a+x adds execution to everybody; 775 sets permissions to 775 (which includes execution, although). |
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| 14:50.34 | jelly | acresearch: the former sets all the permission bits to a specific value (some enabled, some disable), the latter just makes sure all the execution bits get enabled |
| 14:50.37 | jelly | !permissions |
| 14:50.38 | dpkg | For information on permissions, read «info coreutils 'File Permissions'», http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions and http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html . For further information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>. http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
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| 14:51.52 | zbrah | Prestashop is the worst... |
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| 14:56.49 | Fuj1M4s | ç |
| 14:57.00 | ays | Is there a way I can send virtual keyboard signals to the computer? for example, make it so that the programs think that a key was pressed when it really wasn't? |
| 14:58.03 | petn-randall | ays: What problem are you trying to solve? |
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| 14:58.59 | ays | What i want is, when i press the ctrl key, a series of characters need to be sent to stdin for all programs. |
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| 14:59.48 | petn-randall | ays: So all programs do what with this input? |
| 15:00.03 | somiaj | ays: there are fake/virtual events, not all programs accept them, I would try to redefine what it is you want to happen. |
| 15:00.29 | petn-randall | is guessing clusterssh is the answer to the /actual/ question. |
| 15:00.34 | somiaj | also unsure if you can send these to multiple programs at once, or only the focused program. |
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| 15:02.16 | ays | somiaj petn-randall let me give u an example. When I press the CTRL+j key while using firefox and the address-bar is in focus, the string "hello" should appear in it...as if I have just typed it. |
| 15:02.20 | zbrah | prestashop is terrible |
| 15:02.23 | zbrah | 2017/04/25 14:56:06 [error] 5333#0: *30 FastCGI sent in stderr: "PHP message: PHP Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'Symfony\Component\Filesystem\Exception\IOException' with message 'Cannot rename "/var/www/prestashop/app/cache/prod/translations/catalogue.en-US.8739602554c7f3241958e3cc9b57fdecb474d508.phpql0Esr" to |
| 15:02.26 | zbrah | "/var/www/prestashop/app/cache/prod/translations/catalogue.en-US.8739602554c7f3241958e3cc9b57fdecb474d508.php".' in /var/www/prestashop/vendor/symfony/symfony/src/Symfony/Component/File |
| 15:02.28 | zbrah | system/Filesystem.php:279 |
| 15:02.30 | zbrah | 2017/04/25 14:59:17 [error] 5333#0: *33 FastCGI sent in stderr: "PHP message: PHP Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'Symfony\Component\Filesystem\Exception\IOException' with message 'Failed to remove file "/var/www/prestashop/app/cache/prod/translations/catalogue.en-US.8739602554c7f3241958e3cc9b57fdecb474d508.php": |
| 15:02.32 | zbrah | unlink(/var/www/prestashop/app/cache/prod/translations/catalogue.en-US.8739602554c7f3241958e3cc9b57fdecb474d508.php): Permission denied.' in /var/www/prestashop/vendor/symfony/symfony/src/Symfony/Component/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:180 |
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| 15:03.10 | somiaj | zbrah: use a pastebin to paste output/errors. |
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| 15:03.21 | zbrah | somiaj: yeah but it's so idiotic |
| 15:03.29 | zbrah | somiaj: renaming a file then deleting it |
| 15:04.05 | petn-randall | ays: You can use quicksearch bookmarks for that. Which is why "examples" aren't good for solving your actual issues. |
| 15:04.18 | somiaj | Still no need to spam the channel, also I don't see prestashop in debian, is this some third party php software? |
| 15:04.38 | zbrah | somiaj: yeah |
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| 15:10.03 | Stochastic | If I don't connect a display first, lightdm/xorg fails starting |
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| 15:10.35 | Stochastic | Err, I'm talking about a different pc |
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| 15:11.07 | Stochastic | I can ssh into it, but vnc fails (if I don't do the workaround described) |
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| 15:13.36 | Stochastic | I have nvidia-340xx drivers |
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| 15:14.39 | ays | petn-randall, I've perhaps thought of a way to do this. I'll use uinput to create a virtual keyboard, then read the key-events from the actual keyboard, and when a certain key is pressed, the virtual keyboard will spew out a bunch of key-combinations that i want. |
| 15:14.44 | acresearch | people, i have a python binary compiled and it is -r-x------ it executes normally if i run it python3 FILENAME.pyc but will not run ./FILENAME.pyc ---> why? |
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| 15:18.14 | Stochastic | Fixed it. Nevermind. |
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| 15:23.41 | jhutchins_wk | Stochastic: How did you fix it? |
| 15:24.11 | Stochastic | jhutchins_wk: nvidia-xconfig --allow-empty-initial-configuration |
| 15:24.27 | Stochastic | jhutchins_wk: but it adds a lot of crap, so you need to select only what you need from it |
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| 15:33.55 | jhutchins_wk | Stochastic: That's what I was thinking, you need to set it so it doesn't try to scan for capabilities. |
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| 15:37.11 | Posterdati | hi |
| 15:37.47 | Posterdati | please I need a cloud server application for linux! Possibly within debian ecosystem :) thanks! |
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| 15:39.08 | petn-randall | Posterdati: Care to be a *little* more specific? "cloud" is a vague marketing term that can mean anything from virtualiziation to synchronization to web frameworks to data storage. |
| 15:40.00 | Posterdati | petn-randall: yes, I need to store text files and distribute them among certain number of mobile/pc devices |
| 15:40.14 | petn-randall | Posterdati: So a website? |
| 15:40.18 | Posterdati | like in drobox |
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| 15:40.20 | Posterdati | like in dropbox |
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| 15:41.12 | Posterdati | petn-randall: the clients should receive data not by their request, but using an app |
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| 15:42.37 | petn-randall | Posterdati: So you're looking for file synchronization? |
| 15:42.40 | Posterdati | petn-randall: a website could be, but data should be sent when ready |
| 15:42.46 | Posterdati | petn-randall: yes |
| 15:42.56 | petn-randall | Posterdati: What do you mean with "when ready"? |
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| 15:43.27 | Posterdati | petn-randall: it means that they come from measuring devices |
| 15:43.56 | petn-randall | Posterdati: Measuring devices? |
| 15:44.03 | Posterdati | petn-randall: which collect data and send them to the server when available... |
| 15:44.26 | petn-randall | Posterdati: That doesn't sound like file synchronization, but actual logging. |
| 15:45.24 | Posterdati | petn-randall: readings are inside a file |
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| 15:46.19 | petn-randall | Posterdati: And where do these sensors come from? And would do they pick up? |
| 15:46.55 | Posterdati | petn-randall: they are connected to some machines |
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| 15:48.25 | Posterdati | petn-randall: a linux machine collects sensor readings and send them to a concentrator |
| 15:48.56 | petn-randall | Posterdati: Care to be more specific? |
| 15:49.04 | rbo | f |
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| 15:49.33 | jhutchins_wk | Posterdati: So what are you looking for from us? |
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| 15:50.11 | Posterdati | jhutchins_wk: nothing... Only if there's something similar to dropbox on debian |
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| 15:50.51 | petn-randall | Posterdati: From your description dropbox wouldn't be a suitable tool to aggregate the data. |
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| 15:51.08 | Posterdati | petn-randall: but it is not free |
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| 15:52.02 | Posterdati | petn-randall: now I'm sharing those files with it |
| 15:52.49 | ebol | Posterdati: you might want to write your own solution using rsync |
| 15:53.02 | rohit_ | guys I understand that these packages are obsolete, but I need libgnutls26 for debian 8 Jessie for some client software to run. How can I make it work? there are few other packages as well, like libtasn1-3, libgcrypt11 that I need |
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| 15:53.04 | ebol | or use a network share |
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| 15:53.30 | ebol | rohit_: what happens when you try to install it? |
| 15:53.57 | Posterdati | ebol: rsync... uhm ok |
| 15:54.41 | petn-randall | Posterdati: owncloud, nextcloud, syncthing? I still don't see the connection, though. |
| 15:55.02 | rohit_ | @ebol I tried to find the packages using apt-file, when I try to install I get the error saying either these packages are obsolete or maybe present in other source |
| 15:55.09 | quique | how do I add an input source for a keyboard that is missing in region and language? |
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| 15:55.43 | rohit_ | I tried manually downloading and installing them, but I get into viscous cycle of depeendency |
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| 15:56.07 | greycat | !don't break debian |
| 15:56.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 15:56.22 | petn-randall | rohit_: The answer is you don't. You recompile the application to use newer, supported libraries. |
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| 16:08.17 | Posterdati | thanks people |
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| 16:14.34 | jhutchins_wk | rohit_: What was the package that needed that lib? |
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| 16:15.50 | rohit_ | qemu |
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| 16:17.03 | rohit_ | @jhutchins_wk qemu-system-i386 for xen 4.4.0 |
| 16:17.15 | petn-randall | ... |
| 16:17.25 | petn-randall | rohit_: Why don't you use qemu provided by Debian? |
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| 16:17.54 | rohit_ | @petn-randall well its a custom qemu provided by client |
| 16:18.21 | jhutchins_wk | rohit_: Client needs to provide a current version. |
| 16:18.26 | jhutchins_wk | ,v qemu |
| 16:18.27 | judd | Package: qemu on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.1.2+dfsg-6a+deb7u12; wheezy-security: 1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u20; wheezy-backports: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u5a~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie-backports: 1:2.8+dfsg-3~bpo8+1; sid: 1:2.8+dfsg-4+b1; stretch: 1:2.8+dfsg-4+b1 |
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| 16:18.54 | rohit_ | @jhutchins_wk yeah that seems to be only solution |
| 16:19.01 | rohit_ | Thanks a lot for your help |
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| 17:30.00 | greycat | One way is installing cifs-utils and using mount.cifs to mount it on a local directory. |
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| 17:33.26 | somiaj | another is install some plugin for a file manager that can handel this. Though I suggest greycat's method. |
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| 17:52.13 | brenlae | anybody know why installing liballegro5-dev (and dependencies) doesn't install to /usr/lib on stretch? |
| 17:52.37 | brenlae | it doesn't work properly with g++ |
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| 18:27.41 | LZZ | It seems lika qt apps (Konsole, Kate, Dolphin) are not working with the "US International with dead keys" dead keys. It's like the ' dead key is being ignored. I'm using Debian testing. |
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| 18:27.58 | LZZ | It works just fine here in Hexchat and in Firefox... |
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| 18:31.12 | trcody | ls |
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| 18:36.12 | jhutchins_wk | ,v samba-client |
| 18:36.13 | judd | No package named 'samba-client' was found in amd64. |
| 18:36.50 | jhutchins_wk | Tom01: smbclient can log in with an ftp-like interface. |
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| 18:39.31 | jhutchins_wk | ,v smbclient |
| 18:39.32 | judd | Package: smbclient on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u12; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u5; jessie-proposed-updates: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u5; sid: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-1; stretch: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-1 |
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| 18:40.53 | edgar | 1 question does testing have plasma 5? |
| 18:41.05 | edgar | i mean like the entire DE not just qt5 or some piecees of it |
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| 18:42.01 | greycat | Someone should teach dpkg what plasma means so we know how to answer such questions. |
| 18:42.21 | greycat | I think it's got something to do with KDE. And that's about where my knowledge ends. |
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| 18:42.43 | edgar | plasma is the new KDE goes by now rather than KDE |
| 18:42.57 | edgar | new name |
| 18:43.02 | greycat | So how would we determine the answer to your question? |
| 18:43.13 | edgar | *Shrugs* |
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| 18:44.40 | edgar | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/plasma-desktop |
| 18:44.43 | edgar | found it |
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| 18:44.54 | greycat | ,v plasma-desktop |
| 18:44.55 | judd | Package: plasma-desktop on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.8.4-6; jessie: 4:4.11.13-2; sid: 4:5.8.6-1; stretch: 4:5.8.6-1 |
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| 18:49.50 | Tom01 | jhutchins_wk: Is it possible with Files? |
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| 18:52.56 | jhutchins_wk | Tom01: What about files? |
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| 18:53.19 | greycat | I'm guessing capitalized "Files" is some GUI program he is using. |
| 18:54.17 | Tom01 | jhutchins_wk: Mounting a smb-share from a Debian 8 computer to a Debian 8 virtual machine. |
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| 18:54.52 | greycat | If it's Debian to Debian you should consider using NFS instead of Samba. |
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| 18:55.04 | jhutchins_wk | Tom01: that would be what greycat suggested, using cifs-utils to mount the drive. |
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| 18:55.21 | jhutchins_wk | Tom01: ftp is an obsolete text-based file transfer program. |
| 18:55.54 | jhutchins_wk | Tom01: You can list, get, and put files, and smbclient has some similar features. |
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| 18:56.12 | Tom01 | I want to simply use files. |
| 18:56.21 | edgar | now one more thing, when stretch is released as stable in god knows how long, will testing convert to stable or will it upgrade to the next testing version? |
| 18:56.24 | abff | You can mount an ftp URL as a directory |
| 18:56.28 | abff | sftp as well |
| 18:56.32 | greycat | "use" meaning what? open them in text editors? execute them? |
| 18:56.38 | abff | then you can read and write files on remote hosts with your own binaries |
| 18:56.47 | Tom01 | opening the smb-share in files. |
| 18:56.57 | greycat | WTF is "files" you keep referring to? |
| 18:57.14 | Tom01 | the files file browser |
| 18:57.25 | greycat | So, "some GUI program he is using" |
| 18:57.39 | greycat | You want to mount the remote directory as a local directory. Since it's Debian to Debian, use NFS. |
| 18:57.51 | abff | ^ |
| 18:57.54 | greycat | There is no reason to use Samba for this, and that makes it HARDER. Samba exists only to talk to those funny Windows machines. |
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| 18:58.02 | Tom01 | I want to mount an smb-share. |
| 18:58.02 | abff | smb is pooooooop |
| 18:58.03 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Remember many de's don't identify the actual program, they just say "browser" or "files". |
| 18:58.22 | jhutchins_wk | Tom01: We've told you how about four times now. |
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| 18:58.23 | abff | notes to self |
| 18:58.37 | Tom01 | I have told 4 times, too. |
| 18:58.48 | abff | Tom01 what's your reasoning for using smb? |
| 18:59.13 | Tom01 | Because I use from other Operating-Systems also. |
| 18:59.22 | greycat | You can export the same directory using BOTH samba and NFS, one for Windows clients, and the other for Unix/Linux clients. |
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| 19:00.04 | abff | samba is deprecated. The only thing I've ever had to use a smb share for is my wii. |
| 19:00.15 | abff | Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux all support NFS |
| 19:00.18 | abff | us NFS |
| 19:00.54 | greycat | I do not live in a universe where "Windows supports NFS" is close enough to truth to do anything but cause guffaws of laughter. |
| 19:00.58 | jhutchins_wk | abff: What makes you think samba is deprecated? There's more to SMB networking than file sharing. |
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| 19:01.02 | greycat | Or maybe tears. |
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| 19:01.39 | greycat | Maybe abff is from the 22nd century and has forgotten to adjust his statements to match local temporal reality. |
| 19:01.57 | abff | https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc754350%28v=ws.11%29.aspx ? |
| 19:02.20 | greycat | A web page on microsoft.com is going to erase all of the Windows XP and Windows 7 machines that are currently in use? |
| 19:02.21 | abff | jhutchins_wk I didn't know that, my bad |
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| 19:02.56 | greycat | We just got rid of *MOST* of our Windows XP machines here *last year*. Not all. Most. Our new Desktop Standard is Windows 7 32-bit. |
| 19:03.09 | abff | jhutchins_wk what does it do other than file sharing? |
| 19:03.30 | somiaj | samba can be a full active domain controler |
| 19:03.42 | somiaj | I think that is the windows lingo |
| 19:04.00 | huwjr | hia |
| 19:04.07 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: Yes, primary domain controller. |
| 19:04.23 | huwjr | how would I install a driver that i need in order to boot? |
| 19:04.31 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: There is an MS NFS client, there are definite questions about how well it works. |
| 19:04.37 | jhutchins_wk | If at all. |
| 19:04.39 | somiaj | huwjr: care to give more details, what are you booting? What driver do you need. |
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| 19:05.12 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: Do I have it on my 32-bit Win7 machine? Do the however-many-thousand other 32-bit Win7 machines we have here have it? |
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| 19:05.37 | huwjr | long story short, disks detect for the install but are not bootable without installing a package (mpt3sas) first, |
| 19:06.21 | somiaj | where does the mpt3sas package come from, not seeing it in jessie. |
| 19:06.31 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: I believe it's available, but not part of the standard install except for Server 2012/2016 and maybe W10Pro. |
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| 19:07.10 | abff | ,v mpt3sas |
| 19:07.11 | judd | No package named 'mpt3sas' was found in amd64. |
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| 19:08.01 | huwjr | iâve been provided it by the vendor of my crappy raid controller |
| 19:08.20 | huwjr | similar to: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/01/msg00186.html |
| 19:08.37 | somiaj | well it appears that CONFIG_SCSI_MPT3SAS=m in the 3.16 linux kernel on jessie |
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| 19:08.55 | somiaj | huwjr: are you trying to install wheezy? |
| 19:09.02 | huwjr | no, jessie |
| 19:09.16 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 19:09.17 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.18-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.18-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.18-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.86-1) |
| 19:09.22 | huwjr | like i say, they detect and install, but are not bootable |
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| 19:09.45 | somiaj | huwjr: clarify not bootable, using efi or legacy? How far through the boot do you get. |
| 19:09.57 | huwjr | not detected by efi or legacy. |
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| 19:10.15 | huwjr | as in iâve spent 12+ hours on this |
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| 19:10.24 | somiaj | so it seems the issue is with grub? i.e. grub is not even loading? |
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| 19:14.27 | huwjr | not sure |
| 19:15.02 | somiaj | if grub isn't even loading, I would think the issue is not with the raid controler in the linux kernel, but with how tye system sees boot info. |
| 19:15.22 | somiaj | I would expect the issue with the raid controler driver to be grub loads, but when you select to boot the os, it fails. |
| 19:15.41 | huwjr | i canât see the bootable drive(s) at all |
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| 19:15.52 | somiaj | from where? Inside the firmare/bios? |
| 19:16.04 | huwjr | boot options |
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| 19:16.22 | huwjr | theyâre not in the EFI devices |
| 19:16.29 | huwjr | theyâre only on the install, and the raid utility |
| 19:16.29 | somiaj | the driver you are talking about for the linux kernel won't help that, if the firmware can't see the bootable drives this is something else. |
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| 19:17.10 | somiaj | so though I don't know how to fix your problem, it doesn't sound like the issue is you need to install mpt3sas inside the install, you need to get your bios to see the boot info. |
| 19:17.16 | somiaj | s/bios/firmware/ |
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| 19:18.41 | huwjr | the driver iâve been sent is from the specific vendor (supermicro) tho |
| 19:18.45 | huwjr | wonât that make any diff? |
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| 19:19.19 | somiaj | you aren't even booting the linux kernel, so a driver for the linux kernel won't help |
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| 19:20.33 | somiaj | huwjr: during the install, where do you install grub? On the raid disk? |
| 19:20.47 | somiaj | installing it in the mbr (legacy) or the efi partition (efi) |
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| 19:21.55 | jhutchins_wk | mpt3sas has been part of the kernel for a while now, but it does need firmware. As somiaj says though, that's AFTER it loads the bootloader (grub). |
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| 19:22.32 | jhutchins_wk | huwjr: Supermicro only makes one part of the servers - the logo. |
| 19:22.37 | somiaj | and it seems that part worked, during the install he was able to access the drive |
| 19:22.45 | jhutchins_wk | (Which I'm sure they outsource.) |
| 19:23.01 | huwjr | hey supermicro is far from my favourite choice |
| 19:23.10 | somiaj | a cheap fix would be put another device in the machine to boot from, since it seems the linux kernel can see it. This way the firmware has something to boot. |
| 19:23.26 | huwjr | yeah, seems like a shit fix for a brand new server. |
| 19:23.31 | huwjr | excuse language |
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| 19:24.04 | huwjr | alternatively, i drop hot plug capability and plug into mobo sata |
| 19:24.08 | huwjr | again, a crappy option. |
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| 19:24.39 | jhutchins_wk | huwjr: It can be difficult to get a system to boot from RAID, a separate boot device is a common solution. |
| 19:24.49 | somiaj | I'm unsure the best way to get your firmware to see the boot info, but from what I hear this really isn't a debian/linux issue, but a hardware/firmware issue of the machine. |
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| 19:25.08 | jhutchins_wk | huwjr: I've seen people install grub to the mbr of both disks without the RAID enabled, that sometimes worked pre-efi. |
| 19:25.17 | huwjr | i never said it was a debian issue, i was more concerned with trying to load the drivers pre-boot |
| 19:25.32 | jhutchins_wk | huwjr: Right, which isn't a thing. |
| 19:25.37 | huwjr | rgr |
| 19:25.56 | huwjr | by load i meant install |
| 19:26.01 | huwjr | not literally load it before ;p |
| 19:26.12 | jhutchins_wk | huwjr: Which you don't need to do, because it's part of the kernel. |
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| 19:26.20 | somiaj | but it doens't sound like the issue is with the linux kernel seeing the device, you are able to see it just fine when you boot into a linux kernel installer. |
| 19:26.43 | somiaj | the issue is booting your machine, and you may need to get a seperate boot device just for this, either usb or a small satadrive that just has the efi partition/boot info |
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| 19:27.34 | jhutchins_wk | huwjr: I would figure out the make and model of your RAID controller and research how to get grub working with it. |
| 19:28.02 | huwjr | itâs a Super Micro LSI 3008 IR |
| 19:28.22 | jhutchins_wk | huwjr: No, the actual RAID controller. |
| 19:28.26 | huwjr | and i was told i would need these b ixsystems : ftp://ftp.supermicro.com/driver/SAS/LSI/3008/Driver/Linux/PH10-11.00/debian/rpms-1/ |
| 19:28.34 | huwjr | by* |
| 19:28.35 | huwjr | :) |
| 19:29.01 | huwjr | LSI 3008 IR is the raid controller no? |
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| 19:31.20 | jhutchins_wk | huwjr: Yes, I think that's right. |
| 19:31.54 | jhutchins_wk | https://www.broadcom.com/products/storage/sas-sata-controllers/sas-3008 |
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| 19:33.21 | jhutchins_wk | huwjr: http://www.storagereview.com/lsi_12gb_s_sas_9300_series_hbas_announced |
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| 19:35.11 | jhutchins_wk | huwjr: They're from 2013 so the jessie kernels should support them. |
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| 19:36.01 | huwjr | everything iâve read implies it should work |
| 19:36.02 | huwjr | :p |
| 19:36.05 | somiaj | huwjr was able to install with the jessie installer so support has been verified. Any reason you can't just install another boot device, seems to me to be the quickest fix |
| 19:36.28 | somiaj | it should and sounds like it does work, what doesn't is booting from the raid |
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| 19:39.14 | huwjr | well it seems a bit of a crappy way to boot a production server with hot plug capability :p |
| 19:39.30 | huwjr | but iâm close to giving up and just going off the onboard sata instead |
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| 19:40.27 | somiaj | why? you just need a device that the firmware to see to boot from, once it is booted it should be just fine. So a small device that contains an efi partition may be sufficent, even a usb thumbdrive can work. |
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| 19:40.43 | somiaj | but seems the firmware cannot see the raid, and this maybe a limitation of the firmwrae. |
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| 19:42.01 | rizonz | is it possible to set the arch amd64 only in preseed ? |
| 19:42.12 | andril | o/ |
| 19:42.20 | somiaj | rizonz: why would you need to do this? Are you using the dual installer? |
| 19:42.40 | somiaj | rizonz: just use an amd64 installer, you shoulnd't need to do anything in the preseed. |
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| 19:42.59 | rizonz | somiaj: nope, but when I preseed a 64 bits install against a 64 bits mirror only it cannot find some packages and i need to add [arch=amd64] after it in the sources.list |
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| 19:43.51 | somiaj | rizonz: this an offical debian mirror that is having that trouble or a custom mirror. You shoudln't need to add [arch=amd64] to sources.list, so I woudl track down what is going on. |
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| 19:44.38 | rizonz | somiaj: my own local amd64 mirror which works perfectly |
| 19:44.50 | rizonz | somiaj: cannot find it |
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| 19:45.40 | somiaj | rizonz: I don't think I know enough to help debug this, but sounds like an xy problem to me, I would try to see why your local mirror needs this. |
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| 19:46.45 | rizonz | somiaj: my local mirror doesn't my preseeded install does |
| 19:46.53 | jhutchins_wk | huwjr: You could also do some research on getting grub to work on these devices. It sounds like the BIOS/EFI doesn't see them as bootable, so it doesn't see the bootloader on the devices. |
| 19:47.09 | rizonz | now to be honest, this happens now on ubuntu but'I'm pretty sure that it will happen on Debian as well |
| 19:47.17 | jhutchins_wk | huwjr: I'm sure you're aware that Supermicro's support is pretty limited. |
| 19:47.46 | somiaj | rizonz: debian sources.list do not need additional [arch=foo], it will get all arches that are configured on the system, both the main arch and any forign arches. |
| 19:48.00 | huwjr | yeah |
| 19:48.10 | huwjr | everyone raves about ixsystems |
| 19:48.11 | somiaj | these are only needed in debian if you say have both i386 and amd64 enabled, and need to restrict to only amd64 for a specific mirror. |
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| 19:48.16 | rizonz | somiaj: true but when it fails back to i386 and your mirror doesn't have it... |
| 19:48.18 | huwjr | i had no idea until this arrived it was just supermicro being resold |
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| 19:49.04 | somiaj | rizonz: it won't 'fall back' to i386, do you have a multiarch setup, is that is what is going on, you hvae multiarch configured in the preseed to get both amd64 and i386 packages but this one mirror only has amd64 (this is a reason in debian you need this) |
| 19:49.31 | somiaj | but yes if you have a multiarch setup, this makes more sense to me. |
| 19:49.55 | jhutchins_wk | huwjr: You're not the only one BTW. https://serverfault.com/questions/699218/just-installed-lsi-9211-no-drives-showing-up-to-linux |
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| 19:51.16 | somiaj | rizonz: if this is a multiarch setup and you want to have a specific mirror only use amd64, there maybe a way to do this, but I don't know the preseed file enough. This I can see as a reason you would need this. But if doing a pure amd64 install (no multiarch) this should not be needed in debian. |
| 19:51.27 | jhutchins_wk | huwjr: You might want to check Broadcom/LSI for a firmware update as well (and probably the motherboard too). |
| 19:51.54 | rizonz | somiaj: ok, so should I remove multiarch from my repolist ? |
| 19:52.10 | rizonz | mhh |
| 19:52.16 | rizonz | or set it on preseed ? |
| 19:52.17 | huwjr | rearding the link |
| 19:52.19 | wongon | When I do a 'apt-get update', I'm getting a 'W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/brackets/ubuntu/dists/jessie/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found'. Copying that url to browser reveals that http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/brackets/ubuntu/dists/jessie does not exist, but http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/brackets/ubuntu/dists/zesty does exist. How do I change the sources list to make it use zesty rather |
| 19:52.19 | wongon | jessie? There exists a file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-brackets-jessie.list with the contents: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/brackets/ubuntu jessie main |
| 19:52.29 | huwjr | this appears to be the same for me too: "What's more is that the card reports that it has been "disabled". At this point I'm almost willing to chalk down my initial problems to a crappy motherboard, and my current problems to IR vs IT firmware on the 9211 itself.â |
| 19:52.43 | wongon | There is also this in that file, but commented out: # deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/brackets/ubuntu jessie main |
| 19:52.44 | somiaj | wongon: debian doens't support ubuntu ppa's, or at least we don't here. |
| 19:53.16 | somiaj | wongon: ubuntu doens't make packages for debian, so I'm not surprised that ubuntu has no release named 'jessie' with packages. |
| 19:54.00 | somiaj | rizonz: do you need multiarch? If so then you may have to look into how to better configure this additional repositories via the preseed file. If you don't need multiarch, disable it since it seems to be causing problems. |
| 19:54.16 | wongon | So you mean there's no fix? |
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| 19:54.54 | somiaj | wongon: we do not support third party packages here, and we strongly suggest you do not install packages built for ubuntu on debian, you can break things |
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| 19:54.57 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 19:54.58 | dpkg | methinks dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 19:55.03 | somiaj | wongon: you should read that link from the bot |
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| 19:56.16 | huwjr | Adapter shows as âdisabledâ and boot support âdisabledâ |
| 19:56.20 | huwjr | âdisabled by userâ |
| 19:56.22 | huwjr | canât enable it |
| 19:56.24 | huwjr | lol |
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| 19:58.34 | DoctorD90 | guys, good evening. Im going to purchase a new laptop. This one has a old DualCore intel CPU, new one has i7 7500u and nvidia gtx 940mx. Do you confirm to me that I can install my actual HDD to that pc without issue? rigth? |
| 19:58.34 | somiaj | rizonz: I see this, d-i apt-setup/local0/repository string http://repo stuff, wonder if you can add the [arch=amd64] there |
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| 19:59.22 | somiaj | DoctorD90: main issues with laptop are wifi and gpu, If that is a nvidia optimus gpu setup, you may have issues in debian. |
| 19:59.27 | rizonz | somiaj: where do you see that ? |
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| 19:59.43 | huwjr | âboot support: disabledâ - also canât change it |
| 19:59.45 | somiaj | DoctorD90: do you really want/need a card like a nvidia? |
| 19:59.46 | DoctorD90 | somiaj, what do you mean? |
| 19:59.50 | huwjr | :D |
| 20:00.11 | DoctorD90 | somiaj, yes. Matlab requires that, and it is better than amd :P belong to me, and other people too :P |
| 20:00.11 | somiaj | DoctorD90: many modern laptops have a dual gpu, an intel+nvidia that switches based on use. This is known as optimus, and has poor support in linux |
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| 20:00.35 | DoctorD90 | id like to use gpu only for computations. |
| 20:00.38 | somiaj | DoctorD90: make sure it is a dedicated nvidia gpu, the optimus setups can be a pain. |
| 20:01.06 | DoctorD90 | as i7 7500u has its own gpu, I think it has dual possibility |
| 20:01.39 | DoctorD90 | i just need that it will boot my actual system on that pc :P |
| 20:01.42 | somiaj | rizonz: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/example-preseed.txt -- search for repository |
| 20:02.06 | DoctorD90 | next I can install all driver needed...I havent time to customize again a system in these weeks... |
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| 20:02.07 | somiaj | DoctorD90: I just know lots of people who have trouble getting xorg to work with such setups. |
| 20:02.10 | somiaj | !optimus |
| 20:02.10 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:02.22 | rizonz | somiaj: yes thanks found it |
| 20:02.27 | teraflops | in "linux"? Optimus support in Linux is as good as the Nvidia support |
| 20:02.30 | SuperTramp83 | ppa :'( |
| 20:02.54 | DoctorD90 | lol... |
| 20:03.03 | teraflops | I don't see any difference since bumblebee uses same Nvidia driver |
| 20:03.20 | somiaj | teraflops: it is, I've seen lots of issue with switching between the cards, maybe this has changed, but I thought some laptops woudln't just allow one to use only the nvidia card with nvidia drivers. |
| 20:03.35 | DoctorD90 | do you suggest nvidia or linux driver? :P (except about philosphy about free software I mean) |
| 20:03.46 | libvim | Hey i have a question regarding ssmtp, |
| 20:03.51 | somiaj | teraflops: it is more about the switching between the two cards, not the nvidia support itself, I have seen lots of problems with optimus here that don't arise with dedicated nvidia gpus. |
| 20:03.55 | libvim | Good place for this question? |
| 20:04.11 | DoctorD90 | somiaj, in that case I'd use only intel gpu....as I said, I need gpu just for computations |
| 20:04.12 | libvim | It is possible to profile configuration files (in /etc/ssmtp/) ssmtp.conf and revaliases files? |
| 20:04.18 | CuSn | How do you tell which DNS utility your Linux system is using |
| 20:04.28 | libvim | I mean: For example, for php apps (mediawiki) I will send mail from php.ssmtp.conf and php.revaliases |
| 20:04.43 | somiaj | DoctorD90: I use the nvidia non-free blob, but on a desktop with a dedicated gpu, the issue I've seen people have is with both cards and the switching, it wasn't easy from what I saw to say just disable the intel gpu and only use the nvidia, you need this switching utility. |
| 20:04.46 | libvim | on the other hand for python (here is mailman) I will send mail from py.ssmtp.conf and py.revaliases |
| 20:04.59 | libvim | it is possible? |
| 20:05.31 | greycat | CuSn: well, start with cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:05.52 | greycat | If the nameserver you're using isn't 127.0.0,1 then you're using some other machine as your resolver (probably) |
| 20:05.58 | DoctorD90 | somiaj, I need the gpu nvidia ONLY for matlab, not for graphics :) in that case, I can use intel gpu as normal, without switching :D also this can create pain? |
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| 20:06.15 | libvim | nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 20:06.29 | somiaj | DoctorD90: unsure there. |
| 20:06.33 | libvim | i try mail -s temat --config-file=/root/ssmtp/php.ssmtp.conf my@example.com but not working |
| 20:06.35 | greycat | If it's 127.0.0.1 then you can guess the names of various DNS server packages and see which one is installed and/or running. |
| 20:06.38 | somiaj | DoctorD90: I am just going from what I've seen people have trouble with. |
| 20:06.51 | CuSn | greycat: says nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 20:07.05 | greycat | Then you're probably using whatever is built into your router. |
| 20:07.20 | somiaj | which is probably whatever dns address were assigned by the isp |
| 20:07.54 | greycat | I don't know of plastic routers tend to run their own resolver, or simply forward to the ISP. |
| 20:08.02 | CuSn | OK, thats the nameserver. i was asking what DNS lookup software my local system isusing. |
| 20:08.10 | DoctorD90 | somiaj, lol...as I said, I need just that actual hard drive will boot on that pc :D (i dont want use wintrash 10 :P)....all issue I wil face up :D (my face will blow...I know it yet hehehe)...thx btw for your warn :D |
| 20:08.27 | greycat | CuSn: man 3 gethostbyname (if you installed the -dev man pages) |
| 20:08.28 | CuSn | Bind doesn't aseem to be running, or even installed? |
| 20:08.40 | greycat | CuSn: You're not using a local DNS *server*. |
| 20:08.58 | libvim | I've set up a mail client (bay email account from home.pl) to send emails and it works |
| 20:09.12 | CuSn | yeah,Iwas until upgraded to newest stable. |
| 20:09.20 | somiaj | DoctorD90: my suggestion is still try to find a model you can disable the intel gpu or pick one, some allow this from the firmware, others require fancy software. But I have no idea how this will effect using them for computations |
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| 20:09.40 | greycat | Upgrading from wheezy to jessie would not have removed bind9 and changed your resolv.conf to use your router as nameserver. |
| 20:10.10 | CuSn | It does when you start from scratch with a freash 2 Tb drive. :-) |
| 20:10.16 | libvim | But it seems to me that I do not need my own dns server, to send mail like client (via smtp) right? |
| 20:10.27 | greycat | If you want to install bind9 and use that as your nameserver, go for it. |
| 20:10.28 | CuSn | because the olddrive was dieing. :-) |
| 20:10.39 | greycat | There are other choices as well. |
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| 20:10.59 | CuSn | Looks like dnsmasque is installed. That might be a better choice for simplicity. |
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| 20:11.32 | CuSn | I looked for bind because that was always what did DNS from 1981 on, for me. :-) |
| 20:11.34 | DoctorD90 | somiaj, I dont know :P but due to my requires, this pc is the best for my choice. So I purchased it, and I have to wait it will arrive. I will keep you updated ^^ |
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| 20:11.55 | somiaj | DoctorD90: that is fine, didn't realize you already purchased, thought you were still lookin |
| 20:12.14 | DoctorD90 | somiaj, im looking from 1 year half xD |
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| 20:12.21 | DoctorD90 | over 365 that im looking for it xD |
| 20:12.22 | libvim | dpkg -l|grep -i dns He displays me 3 pkgs, bat no here dnsmasque |
| 20:12.22 | dpkg | wish i knew, libvim |
| 20:13.00 | libvim | :) |
| 20:13.36 | greycat | dnsmasq is not a standard package, so you would not have it unless you installed it yourself |
| 20:13.56 | CuSn | greycat: why are you hanging out in a linux distro channel? Shouldn't you be off in SUN enterprise forum somewhere? |
| 20:14.08 | greycat | I use Debian, among other things. |
| 20:14.23 | rizonz | somiaj: I doubt if you can shove it in |
| 20:14.39 | jhutchins_wk | CuSn: I don't believe bind ever did name resolving. |
| 20:14.42 | CuSn | Well sure, but you're a purist. I'm surprised to see you say it public.. :-) |
| 20:14.59 | libvim | right, but if i understand well There is no need for that, as I use the ssmtp package |
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| 20:15.09 | CuSn | jhutchins_wk: i was looking for whatever was doing DNS for the local system. |
| 20:15.14 | ForceRecon | remember those = https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Sun_Enterprise4500_Front.JPG/1200px-Sun_Enterprise4500_Front.JPG |
| 20:15.34 | somiaj | rizonz: have you tried? it is a string, my guess is you should be able to put whatever string you want there and it gets appened to the deb and deb-src part |
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| 20:15.46 | somiaj | i.e. string [arch=amd64] http://whatever |
| 20:15.57 | jhutchins_wk | CuSn: Which looks like the router, which is also doing DHCP and supplying the nameserver address. |
| 20:16.14 | somiaj | then gets put in as deb [arch=amd64] http://whatever -- unsure if the d-i is going to parse strings to check they meet standards. |
| 20:16.30 | CuSn | no kidding |
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| 20:16.45 | rizonz | somiaj: I think I need to do something like apt-setup/multiarch but then amd64 or so |
| 20:16.46 | greycat | 192.168.1.1 is almost certainly your router. |
| 20:16.58 | jhutchins_wk | CuSn: Decent routers have the ability to reserve addresses and update the DNS with hostnames supplied by the DHCP client. |
| 20:17.06 | jhutchins_wk | CuSn: Cheap ones you just take what you get. |
| 20:17.09 | huwjr | Holy |
| 20:17.10 | somiaj | rizonz: it is worth trying, I don't see why you couldn't add extra stuff to the string. |
| 20:17.10 | huwjr | effing |
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| 20:17.13 | huwjr | shizzballs |
| 20:17.15 | huwjr | IT BOOTED |
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| 20:17.17 | huwjr | IT BOOOOOTED |
| 20:17.26 | rizonz | somiaj: there is no deb in it ? but indeed |
| 20:17.29 | rizonz | now you say |
| 20:17.30 | jhutchins_wk | huwjr: What did you do? |
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| 20:17.43 | huwjr | oh wait |
| 20:17.47 | huwjr | that was slightly premature |
| 20:17.49 | huwjr | 2secs |
| 20:17.54 | huwjr | :D |
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| 20:18.33 | somiaj | rizonz: right, it will append the string to a deb line and a deb-src line if you have d-i apt-setup/local0/source boolean true |
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| 20:19.07 | somiaj | rizonz: so it puts in the deb and deb-src part, but you maybe able to give the full string that appears after that. That is my understanding, based on what a string is, no clue if it actually works that way. |
| 20:19.09 | rizonz | # Uncomment this to add multiarch configuration for i386 |
| 20:19.10 | rizonz | #d-i apt-setup/multiarch string i386 |
| 20:19.27 | rizonz | somiaj: will check right away |
| 20:19.29 | somiaj | rizonz: that is different than adding a repo to the sources.list, by default it will assume you want to search all arches. |
| 20:19.49 | somiaj | but I don't see why it won't let you add other stuff to that string as needed |
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| 20:21.08 | rizonz | somiaj: inded |
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| 20:21.28 | teraflops | somiaj: hmm idk about using workstations with debian but now upstream you can use primus for getting the dedicated gpu as primary. no idea about debian support, maybe stretch is more suitable |
| 20:21.58 | somiaj | teraflops: I have heard about primus, but I don't think it has made it into debian (even sid) yet, only ubuntu maybe mint. |
| 20:22.22 | jhutchins_wk | ,v primus |
| 20:22.23 | judd | Package: primus on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0~20130904-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0~20140711-1; jessie-backports: 0~20150328-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 0~20150328-4; sid: 0~20150328-4 |
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| 20:22.46 | teraflops | somiaj: ah |
| 20:22.51 | somiaj | hmm, it got into jessie, maybe I was thinking of something else, or didn't notice it made its way into debian |
| 20:23.03 | somiaj | its been a while since I've looked, I personally just avoid optimus setups |
| 20:23.05 | jhutchins_wk | Sneaky little package. |
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| 20:26.14 | teraflops | somiaj: that's what I meant, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA_Optimus#Using_nvidia |
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| 20:26.39 | teraflops | somiaj: prime not primus :( |
| 20:27.05 | huwjr | i now see all 4 drives in the boot options. |
| 20:27.27 | huwjr | just doing a fresh install but i am pretty confident this will actually work |
| 20:27.30 | somiaj | huwjr: what did you have to toggle? |
| 20:27.39 | huwjr | this is gonna sound batsh** |
| 20:28.18 | huwjr | The controller shows âdisabled by userâ |
| 20:28.34 | huwjr | so you enter the utility and hit Enter to edit it (as per the on screen options) |
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| 20:28.39 | huwjr | nothing happens |
| 20:28.53 | huwjr | same happens for âbootable: disabledâ |
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| 20:29.11 | huwjr | so i read the âhelpâ and it said I had to go to another page and toggle another option. I got there, this option was also not editable |
| 20:29.14 | huwjr | i read the help AGAIN |
| 20:29.20 | huwjr | it told me to go to a third page |
| 20:29.31 | libvim | hej, My English is for nothing, so i will show in the picture |
| 20:29.33 | somiaj | anyways, it was just firmware issues you finally were able to find out what to toggle. |
| 20:29.33 | huwjr | i go to the third page and am able to toggle an option that doesnât even sound relevant |
| 20:29.36 | libvim | http://91.239.66.12/ |
| 20:29.52 | huwjr | and it toggles them all on up the tree. |
| 20:30.06 | libvim | Here is what I want to achieve with ssmtp |
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| 20:31.04 | greycat | ,i ssmtp |
| 20:31.05 | judd | Package ssmtp (mail, extra) in jessie/amd64: extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a mail hub. Version: 2.64-8; Size: 55.0k; Installed: 8k; Homepage: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/ssmtp.html |
| 20:31.22 | huwjr | appreciate your help somiaj jhutchins_wk |
| 20:31.29 | greycat | Do you have a "smarthost" to which you can send outgoing email? Possibly a mail server operated by your ISP? |
| 20:31.44 | huwjr | iâm wet behind the ears to say the least when it comes to this.:) |
| 20:31.52 | libvim | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.14 | greycat | If all you want is to send outgoing mail, never receive any, and you have a smart host available, then ssmtp is a good fit. |
| 20:32.57 | libvim | super, But I have no idea how to split the sending of mails |
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| 20:33.08 | teraflops | !radi king |
| 20:33.10 | teraflops | oops |
| 20:33.15 | ForceRecon | anyone know how to resize and keep the tor browser size? |
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| 20:34.06 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. Anyone jessie + KDE + Firefox users here use the Forcastfox add-on? I don't know why, but I can't get its options to open. |
| 20:34.08 | ForceRecon | it always starts at 1000x1000 and I would like 1600x1000.. |
| 20:34.16 | greycat | The first "s" in ssmtp is for "simple". All it does it send your mail to the smart host. That's it. |
| 20:34.28 | ForceRecon | never keeps tried about:config tried some integers but they did not keep either.. |
| 20:34.33 | greycat | (The second "s" is also for "simple", but that's part of SMTP so it doesn't count.) |
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| 20:35.14 | libvim | man ssmtp sey: OPTIONS, -Cfile Use alternate configuration file - but this not working |
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| 20:36.33 | greycat | If you want to do ANYTHING that is more complicated than "send all mail to my.mail.host" -- ANYTHING at all -- then I would not attempt to use ssmtpd. |
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| 20:37.46 | libvim | ok, what do you recommend? Something easy and not complicated |
| 20:38.09 | greycat | What are your requirements? |
| 20:38.26 | greycat | What are you trying to do that is not simply "send all my mail to this host"? |
| 20:39.05 | libvim | I mentioned this in the image in the link http://91.239.66.12/ |
| 20:39.36 | libvim | for php apps (mediawiki) I will send mail from php.ssmtp.conf and php.revaliases on the other hand for python (here is mailman) I will send mail from py.ssmtp.conf and py.revaliases |
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| 20:39.57 | greycat | I am not going to open a picture to hear a description of your goal |
| 20:40.16 | `Kevin | ^ |
| 20:40.27 | greycat | Why do I (or you) care what command you are going to use within scripting languages X, Y and Z? |
| 20:40.36 | libvim | For php applications it is supposed to send emails via mail.server#1 and for apps in python via mail.server#2 |
| 20:40.43 | greycat | Ok, NOW we have a goal! |
| 20:41.00 | greycat | Now, how do you expect your system's MTA to know which messages came from which scripting language? |
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| 20:41.46 | libvim | It will indicate the different locations of the mail file for each of these applications (scripts) |
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| 20:42.16 | greycat | There is no "mail file". There is no "location". There is a sender, and a recipient. There are also various headers inside the message, such as "From:" and "To:". |
| 20:43.00 | libvim | Mediawiki (php) will call the mail function which is located in eg /opt/app1 and the path in another location |
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| 20:43.38 | greycat | Perhaps we should attack from a different direction. WHY do you want to use a different outgoing mail smart host for PHP vs. Python? What purpose does this server? |
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| 20:43.45 | libvim | and the other in another location |
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| 20:44.57 | libvim | The machine has several different applications that have mail accounts in different domains |
| 20:45.43 | greycat | Are you using any kind of system level separation between these applications/languages? Virtual machines? Containers? |
| 20:46.25 | greycat | Putting whichever one you hate more into a chroot would be one way to solve it. |
| 20:46.34 | libvim | I would like one application to send an email from app@example20.pl and another from app@example40.pl |
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| 20:46.40 | greycat | Then you could have two different instances of ssmtpd, one inside the chroot, and one outside. |
| 20:46.59 | greycat | Oh, now you are willing to consider SETTING THE SENDER DOMAIN! |
| 20:47.09 | libvim | I'm using an instance on ec2 |
| 20:47.12 | greycat | So you could, in theory, configure an MTA to route the outgoing mail depending on the sender odmain. |
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| 20:47.15 | greycat | Good luck with that. |
| 20:47.35 | greycat | ANnnnnd amazon is involved. VERY good luck with that. |
| 20:47.58 | libvim | That would be cool, but .. will anyone help? |
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| 20:48.23 | greycat | I do not know whether ssmtpd can make routing decisions based on the sender domain. If not, you may have to use a full fledged MTA. |
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| 20:50.32 | libvim | Then what is the possibility of choosing a configuration file - option -c in ssmtp manual - That would solve the problem, I think |
| 20:50.48 | libvim | But of course it does not work for me |
| 20:51.29 | somiaj | you would need to different instances of ssmtp running, which may not work, hence the idea of a chroot. |
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| 20:51.48 | greycat | Or a real MTA. |
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| 20:53.16 | libvim | ok, thank you very much |
| 20:53.31 | libvim | I will try chroot |
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| 20:53.43 | libvim | Thanks again |
| 20:54.29 | greycat | Ah, I overestimated it. I had been calling it "ssmtpd". But it's not. It's merely "ssmtp" (https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/ssmtp/ssmtp.8.en.html). It's not a daemon at all. It has no queue. |
| 20:54.36 | greycat | "sSMTP will fail if the mailhub is unreachable. |
| 20:54.36 | greycat | " |
| 20:55.17 | tw | iirc, it can daemonize and do the daemon thing for you, so you're not wrong. |
| 20:55.40 | greycat | The man page I just linked says "-bd (unsupported) Run as a daemon." |
| 20:55.57 | greycat | And it says "sSMTP will fail if the mailhub is unreachable." |
| 20:56.04 | tw | Oh, nevermind. I must learn to read. |
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| 20:56.47 | tw | fixing the scripts to connect to the upstream smtp providers is probably a logical choice. |
| 20:57.01 | tw | instead of php's mail() or what have you from python. |
| 20:57.11 | greycat | So it's not an MTA at all. It's just a duct tape hack. And libvim's own duct tape hacks may actually work. For limited definitions of "work". |
| 20:57.56 | libvim | it would be wonderful |
| 20:58.08 | greycat | No, it's atrocious. But it may be precisely what you are asking for. |
| 20:58.25 | greycat | Because, for reasons you have never yet explained, you want an atrocious thing. |
| 20:58.44 | greycat | Something I'd expect from a Windows user, or a PHP developer. |
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| 20:59.27 | greycat | So, go ahead and make two different ssmtp.conf files, and have PHP call the one and have Python call the other. Somehow. However you do that in these languages. |
| 20:59.31 | libvim | I am a beginner administrator, so stupid ideas to solve the problem |
| 20:59.38 | greycat | WHAT PROBLEM |
| 20:59.42 | Plushfish | Hey |
| 20:59.45 | greycat | You never said WHY you want to do any of this. |
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| 21:01.11 | libvim | I want one app to send emails by one mail account and another one by another in another domain |
| 21:01.18 | libvim | I meant it |
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| 21:01.59 | jhutchins_wk | libvim: If the To: addresses are consistent you can use aliases/routing. |
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| 21:02.24 | jhutchins_wk | libvim: That gets a little deeper into the MTA config, and you'd probably want exim or postfix. |
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| 21:02.50 | libvim | Addresses are different |
| 21:03.51 | CuSn | Has anyone tried the firefox-test pilot addons (requires upgrading to FF 49 or higher |
| 21:04.59 | libvim | And what is lighter and simpler in configuration? |
| 21:05.12 | libvim | exim || postfix ? |
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| 21:07.23 | toruvinn | libvim, lighter probably exim, simple config - postfix. |
| 21:07.32 | toruvinn | buuuuut dont quote me on that one. ;-P |
| 21:07.57 | libvim | ok :) I will try postfix. |
| 21:08.02 | Lady_Aleena | assumes the answer to her questions is no one uses Forecastfox in Firefox. |
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| 22:27.25 | Lady_Aleena | Is Firefox-ESR a web developer edition? |
| 22:28.57 | uniTosch | no |
| 22:31.45 | Lady_Aleena | Thanks, I was just wondering because I have a web developer menu under Tools, but I don't have a web developer add-on. |
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| 22:32.08 | Lady_Aleena | is cleaning up her add-ons. |
| 22:32.31 | uniTosch | every browser has that. ff developer edition just has different theme and experimental features enabled. |
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| 22:33.02 | Lady_Aleena | uniTosch, thanks again. |
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| 22:37.58 | SuperTramp83 | Lady_Aleena, curl wttr.in/Dublin :P |
| 22:38.59 | Lady_Aleena | SuperTramp83, nice, but no pretty radar in motion. |
| 22:39.13 | SuperTramp83 | :D |
| 22:39.32 | SuperTramp83 | a feature no decent man can miss, indeed |
| 22:40.24 | Lady_Aleena | And there is no help page on wttr. |
| 22:41.00 | Lady_Aleena | What is curl btw? |
| 22:41.17 | teraflops | Lady_Aleena: https://github.com/chubin/wttr.in |
| 22:41.34 | teraflops | ,i curl |
| 22:41.35 | judd | Package curl (web, optional) in jessie/amd64: command line tool for transferring data with URL syntax. Version: 7.38.0-4+deb8u5; Size: 195.8k; Installed: 325k; Homepage: http://curl.haxx.se; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/curl |
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| 22:41.54 | SuperTramp83 | Lady_Aleena, try this page https://github.com/chubin/wttr.in |
| 22:42.34 | TomTomTosch | no, wait, this one https://github.com/chubin/wttr.in |
| 22:43.13 | SuperTramp83 | oh my, right.. :) |
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| 22:43.19 | SuperTramp83 | I just saw that |
| 22:43.21 | teraflops | xD |
| 22:43.22 | TomTomTosch | ^^ |
| 22:43.38 | SuperTramp83 | senility is killing me.. |
| 22:43.55 | Lady_Aleena | SuperTramp83, ack! Too much stuff. |
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| 22:46.05 | vapeguru | Hallo, bin ich hier im Deutschen Debian Channel? |
| 22:46.22 | TomTomTosch | nope |
| 22:46.24 | Lowl3v3l | vapeguru: you aare not. |
| 22:46.24 | TomTomTosch | !de |
| 22:46.25 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 22:46.40 | vapeguru | thx TomTom |
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| 22:48.54 | Lady_Aleena | Is curl something I should have? |
| 22:50.14 | teraflops | Lady_Aleena: you never heard of it before and did not miss it, so I guess you don't |
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| 22:51.51 | Lady_Aleena | teraflops, I have heard of it, didn't know what it did until now, still am vague on it, so don't know if I need it, yet. |
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| 22:52.23 | teraflops | Lady_Aleena: if you use something that relies on it then you need it. |
| 22:52.24 | ryouma | Lady_Aleena: like wget |
| 22:52.51 | Lady_Aleena | ryouma, I've heard of wget too, just don't know anything about it. |
| 22:53.08 | Lady_Aleena | s/need/want/; |
| 22:53.10 | ryouma | command line web page retrievers |
| 22:53.23 | ryouma | etc. |
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| 22:53.54 | Lady_Aleena | got curl. |
| 22:53.59 | teraflops | \o/ |
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| 22:54.52 | Lady_Aleena | Okeydokey, wttr.in needs a black background in the terminal. |
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| 22:55.09 | Lady_Aleena | uses a white background with black text in terminal. |
| 22:55.15 | wongon | Hey guys, on debian, when I do a: sudo yo learn, I'm getting these errors: https://pastebin.com/p4YTNHeA |
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| 22:56.36 | tw | wttr.in is a nice site. takes all kinds of areas and you can even force it to metric when it wants to give you imperial units. |
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| 22:58.34 | rk[ghost] | if i run a dpkg -i, then an apt-get update, then apt-get install.. and the install fails. how do i revert? is there a opposite of dpkg -i ? |
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| 23:00.57 | TomTomTosch | you should paste the real commands you used with output to paste.debian.net |
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| 23:10.02 | Lady_Aleena | Any other neat things I will use once to play with it but forget I have it that I should install? 8) |
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| 23:12.26 | ryouma | wttr.in is too wide for my screen |
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| 23:15.56 | TomTomTosch | ryouma: curl wttr.in?n |
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| 23:20.20 | ryouma | TomTomTosch: works, thanks. still would want relative humidity. |
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| 23:40.23 | pacha | hi, I upgraded from Jessie to Stretch and I am having issues with PulseAudio. Sound works but it is being routed through ALSA (cant multiplex streams). I did sudo apt-get install pulseaudio, dpkg-reconfigure pulseaudio, pulseaudio --kill and --start, rebooted, and still using ALSA by default. What should I try next? |
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| 23:47.15 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 23:47.15 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:47.43 | petn-randall | pacha: Thanks for beta-testing our next release. Support for it is here ^^^. |
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| 23:56.34 | bazhang | morphis, hey |
| 23:56.48 | bazhang | you created anbox, right? |
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