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| 00:35.08 | BlackPhoenix | My debian system moved from Ukraine to USA, now none of the sources in sources.list work |
| 00:35.24 | BlackPhoenix | I'm trying to figure out what's the correct contents for that |
| 00:36.44 | somiaj | BlackPhoenix: is this jessie? |
| 00:36.44 | Azrael_- | imho: the sources should work from everywhere unless your provider blocks them (nothing i would consider sane). perhaps consider contacting your hoster and ask them |
| 00:36.46 | somiaj | !jessie sources.list |
| 00:36.46 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 00:36.49 | BlackPhoenix | Jessie, yes |
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| 00:37.09 | BlackPhoenix | Azrael_-, the UA servers refuse connections for a USA IP apparently |
| 00:37.26 | BlackPhoenix | So contact the people who manage the Ukrainian servers |
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| 00:37.44 | Azrael_- | first try the sources somiaj suggested |
| 00:37.52 | somiaj | countries sometimes block trafic from other countries. But deb.debian.org should find one that is reasonable, you can also search through a list of mirrors and find one that works. |
| 00:37.59 | BlackPhoenix | I will, but the UA sources have ip filtering on them (which is what the thing used before) |
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| 00:39.00 | Azrael_- | UA? |
| 00:39.03 | BlackPhoenix | Ukraine |
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| 00:39.27 | Azrael_- | then use the sources somiaj provided, those shouldn't have any ip filtering |
| 00:39.48 | BlackPhoenix | I had to disable ipv6 temporarily, the sources there work, thanks |
| 00:39.56 | somiaj | well deb.debian.org will return a close by mirror, unsure if it will return any that are blocked by the firewall you have to deal with. |
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| 00:40.22 | BlackPhoenix | Well, I'm sure it uses geolocation and would recognize that I'm from the US |
| 00:40.34 | BlackPhoenix | And not give me a mirror that's region-locked |
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| 00:54.27 | grondilu | Hello, I'm on testing. I tried installing julia and then on '$ julia' I get: julia: /usr/bin/../lib/i386-linux-gnu/libLLVM-3.8.so.1: version `LLVM_3.8' not found (required by /usr/bin/../lib/i386-linux-gnu/julia/libjulia.so) |
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| 01:26.59 | madlord | hello guys, I'm not used to track the Debian bug reports, but I've found an error with xpdf debian package (version 3.04) that was supposedly to be fixed and closed in 2011 (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640486) |
| 01:27.05 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/640486 in xpdf (closed): «Unknown config file command '{0:t}' ({1:t}:{2:d}))...»; severity: important; opened: 2011-09-05; last modified: 2011-10-16. |
| 01:27.28 | madlord | how should I proceed with this? |
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| 01:33.07 | madlord | I guess the bug was openned again (or as a new one): https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=848671 |
| 01:33.08 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/848671 in xpdf (open): «xpdf: Many errors "Config Error: Unknown config file command..."»; severity: important; opened: 2016-12-19; last modified: 2017-02-10. |
| 01:34.03 | madlord | thus, I think I'll have to wait |
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| 01:37.56 | BlackPhoenix | Well, just one thing left |
| 01:38.09 | BlackPhoenix | Now I've got openvpn, but it refuses to make tun0 |
| 01:38.36 | BlackPhoenix | It connects to remote server (at least remote server receives the connection), but then "write to TUN/TAP : Invalid argument (code=22)" |
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| 03:12.09 | wongon | I'm working on files under /var/www. I need to run every vi command with sudo, then enter my password each time. It's getting tiresome. Is there a way around this without becoming root? |
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| 03:15.21 | dvs | wongon, the short answer is to add your user to the sudo group |
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| 04:17.48 | simbalion | nvm |
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| 04:52.24 | awal1 | I have hundreds of audio files named track1, track2, track3, track 200, track1000.... And I want to tag them as 1, 2, 3, 200, 1000... Any suggestion on how to tag them at once? |
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| 04:53.40 | awal1 | at one blow |
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| 04:53.56 | awal1 | with a single command, I mean :P |
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| 06:03.53 | BirthdaySandwich | awal1 Are you trying to rename all of the files? |
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| 06:31.25 | awal1 | BirthdaySandwich, sure, I want to rename all of the files, I have a few thousands :P |
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| 06:32.21 | rjsalts | awal1: rename ... |
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| 06:33.03 | rjsalts | awal1: assuming you can do a regular expression for the file renaming |
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| 06:34.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | awal1, you will have to be more concrete |
| 06:36.25 | awal1 | rjsalts, CutMeOwnThroat, I know how to rename/re-tag individual files. My goal is rename/re-tag the whole directory at one blow. |
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| 06:37.36 | awal1 | I have like 4000 audio files named track1, track2....track4000 and I wanna tag them as 1, 2 ... 4000 |
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| 06:39.21 | rjsalts | awal1: rename [ -h|-m|-V ] [ -v ] [ -n ] [ -f ] [ -e|-E perlexpr]*|perlexpr [ files ] |
| 06:39.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's nearly the same. what do you mean with tag, mp3 tags? are they in several directories or in one, |
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| 06:39.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | if he means mp3 tags, rename isn't going to do anything for him |
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| 06:40.20 | awal1 | rjsalts, mp3 tags :P |
| 06:40.47 | awal1 | as CutMeOwnThroat said :) |
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| 06:41.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is command line software that does tags |
| 06:41.33 | awal1 | bcoz just renaming them, multimedia players still showing the original tags |
| 06:41.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's probably easy to script, but only if the task is fully clear |
| 06:41.52 | rjsalts | awal1: ^ id3ren being one |
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| 06:43.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | like id3v2 or id3tool |
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| 06:45.20 | awal1 | I use 'exfalso', almost, when I want to edit only a few audio metadata tags but doing that for a few thousand is a biiig job. so I was looking for a "sofisticated" script which will involve probably 'ls' and I don't know what more |
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| 06:45.45 | awal1 | butok, I will look at id3v2 and id3tool also |
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| 06:45.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | it shouldn't use ls |
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| 06:48.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | for i in {1..4000}; do idv3 -T $i track$i ; done |
| 06:48.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 06:49.30 | awal1 | idv3 is part of which pkg? |
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| 06:50.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | err id3v2 |
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| 06:50.54 | vNistelroot | hi guys, im trying to correctly run wingooner eeprom 25 SPI in debian 8 kernel 3.16.0 |
| 06:51.07 | vNistelroot | but i cant get it to work |
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| 06:51.26 | vNistelroot | i tried ch341 driver and some other patched i found but didnt work |
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| 06:59.29 | awal1 | CutMeOwnThroat, I have some files called Plage01, Plage02 and so. Just trying with a few files executing "for i in {1..5}; do id3v2 -T $i Plage$i ; done" but I get "Couldn't stat file 'plage1' |
| 06:59.36 | awal1 | what is wrong ? |
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| 07:00.15 | awal1 | rjsalts, ok I'll check id3ren too, thanks |
| 07:00.33 | BirthdaySandwich | You need to add leading zeroes to your brace expansion: {01..05} |
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| 07:01.33 | awal1 | I get "Couldn't stat file 'Plage001'" :P |
| 07:02.21 | awal1 | 002 and so |
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| 07:02.44 | libvim | first try "for i in {1..5};do echo id3v2 -T $i Plage$i;done" 'n yank here |
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| 07:04.59 | awal1 | I get "id3v2 -T 1 Plage1" |
| 07:09.58 | BirthdaySandwich | {01..05} expanded to 001, 002 ... ? That seems weird |
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| 07:11.07 | awal1 | well, that's the output I get :) |
| 07:11.20 | libvim | files are corect? past "id3v2 -l ${i}" |
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| 07:14.02 | awal1 | being in the dir where I have the files I get "fopen: 05: id3v2: Nosuch file or directory" executing "id3v2 -l ${i}" |
| 07:14.05 | awal1 | libvim |
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| 07:15.44 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 07:16.55 | libvim | Maybe a better tool will be for you id3tool - try install "apt-get install id3tool" and run command "id3tool ${i}" |
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| 07:17.21 | awal1 | already installed |
| 07:17.37 | libvim | great, past output command |
| 07:18.19 | awal1 | "id3tool ${i}" ----» "id3tool: Can't open file "05" for read." |
| 07:19.04 | libvim | "ls -la ./05" |
| 07:19.38 | libvim | check UID/GID - U run command as root? |
| 07:20.11 | awal1 | as root no :D |
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| 07:20.49 | libvim | past output 2 command: "id" and "ls -l 05" |
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| 07:21.49 | awal1 | ls -la ./05 ls: cannot access './05': No such file or directory |
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| 07:22.17 | libvim | Your files have a different owner or do not have read access for others |
| 07:22.35 | awal1 | ls -l 05 ls: cannot access '05': No such file or directory |
| 07:23.54 | libvim | I think we have to seriously talk ;p - what directory do you have the files you want to modify? Please submit your current catalog, command "pwd" |
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| 07:24.18 | awal1 | I (my user) have full access |
| 07:24.45 | darxmurf | I have a issue with my Asus Tinker Board, running a debian stretch. On every boot, it's unable to mount the network interfaces correctly, wpa_supplicant is messing up. Then after login I have my mounted wlan0 but without any IP address. If then I kill wpa_supplicant daemon and restart networking it's fine |
| 07:24.52 | libvim | great, so list files by "ls -l" and show Ur current folder |
| 07:24.57 | libvim | "pwd" |
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| 07:26.44 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 07:27.01 | libvim | darxmurf, past Ur "cat /etc/network/interfaces" |
| 07:27.36 | awal1 | libvim, I'm in the correct dir , I cded to it :) "pwd ---» /home/username/te-correct-dir"" |
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| 07:27.54 | awal1 | I think my files are weird |
| 07:28.12 | Azrael_- | i want to create a post-install-script for my system and want to find a nice way to change some config-files. e.g. change sshd_config to allow root-login with password. can you give me a hint how to accomplish this? |
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| 07:28.26 | libvim | pawal1, ossible;) |
| 07:29.06 | libvim | Azrael_- Try to get an ansible look |
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| 07:30.35 | awal1 | libvim, it is fine; i will play with those cli utilities more later. I never used them so I'll have to learn the manuals |
| 07:30.44 | libvim | awal1, try download free file from internet and then try "id3tool downloaded-file" - We will verify if it is ok, |
| 07:30.48 | libvim | Perhaps the problem lies somewhere else |
| 07:30.50 | Azrael_- | libvim: "ansible look"? |
| 07:31.52 | libvim | awal1, "Ansible is the simplest way to automate apps and IT infrastructure. Application Deployment + Configuration Management + Continuous Delivery" |
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| 07:32.39 | awal1 | libvim, huh? |
| 07:33.07 | libvim | sorry, ansible for Azrael_- :) |
| 07:33.16 | awal1 | :D |
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| 07:34.48 | awal1 | libvim, no worries :) and Thanks. I will try to download or get a new file tomorrow and play again whith those cli tools. 3:30 am now, sleep time I think |
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| 07:35.20 | awal1 | thanks for your time and suggestion guys :) gn |
| 07:35.30 | libvim | :D great Sympathetic dreams |
| 07:35.39 | awal1 | ;) |
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| 07:42.57 | Cheesy | ish |
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| 07:43.23 | chergp | lol |
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| 07:43.46 | ishish | aaa le roror |
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| 07:44.04 | ishish | lequiope est toka |
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| 07:44.19 | Mirai_trunks | salut |
| 07:44.20 | ishish | #debian |
| 07:44.25 | ishish | tes qui toi |
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| 07:44.32 | chergp | toi tu suce des gros sexe |
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| 07:45.31 | ishish | nn |
| 07:45.35 | ishish | jai arrete |
| 07:45.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | awal1, the problem is that you didn't really describe your problem with real filenames and everything, so I gave you a solution for the problem as you had described it |
| 07:45.50 | chergp | t'arrive a te retenir maintenant <, |
| 07:45.54 | chergp | ? |
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| 07:46.19 | PetiteChate | hey |
| 07:46.26 | chergp | une petite chatte sauvage est apparut |
| 07:46.30 | PetiteChate | :$ |
| 07:47.06 | PetiteChate | j'ai un probleme |
| 07:47.06 | ishish | not problem man |
| 07:47.12 | ishish | just joke |
| 07:47.15 | PetiteChate | d'érection le soir |
| 07:47.15 | ishish | thanks |
| 07:47.23 | PetiteChate | aide moi |
| 07:47.24 | PetiteChate | stp |
| 07:47.35 | PetiteChate | :'( |
| 07:47.50 | chergp | vasy ish ish sacrifit toi pour petite chatte |
| 07:48.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | awal1, the quality of the possible answer matches that of the question |
| 07:48.07 | darxmurf | libvim: http://paste.debian.net/929397/ |
| 07:48.11 | darxmurf | thanks :-) |
| 07:48.11 | PetiteChate | hm |
| 07:48.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | awal1, you also didn't say *what* tags to set, your example didn't have any leading zeroes etc. etc. etc. |
| 07:48.24 | darxmurf | it's weird, it was working fine with debian stable yesterday |
| 07:48.43 | Mirai_trunks | but in why bdsm is so strong man |
| 07:48.45 | darxmurf | I installed the new ASUS release (this board is a kind of raspberry pi) |
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| 07:48.55 | darxmurf | and it's a bit messy now. |
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| 07:49.16 | Mirai_trunks | install kodi in your raspberry pi |
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| 07:49.20 | ishish | ferme ton ere |
| 07:49.23 | ishish | pere |
| 07:49.27 | ishish | please |
| 07:49.39 | Mirai_trunks | where you from guys |
| 07:49.52 | Mirai_trunks | i'm from france |
| 07:49.57 | Mirai_trunks | it's sunny today |
| 07:50.00 | ishish | alge parsi bagdad , |
| 07:50.01 | Mirai_trunks | and you |
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| 07:50.12 | PetiteChate | Re les petites chates |
| 07:50.31 | darxmurf | ishish: "ferme ton pere" ? |
| 07:50.40 | chergp | c'est toi qui te fais fouré par une equipe de rugby ? |
| 07:50.51 | Pr0 | yo. I just installed Debian but my max resolution is 1024x640? I use nvidia geforce gtx660ti |
| 07:50.56 | ishish | close your dad |
| 07:50.56 | PetiteChate | Oui comme dans BMS |
| 07:51.16 | Mirai_trunks | look your setting on the terminal |
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| 07:51.25 | darxmurf | I know but this doesn't mean anything in french |
| 07:51.29 | ishish | i love you <3 |
| 07:51.30 | darxmurf | anyway |
| 07:51.34 | awal1 | CutMeOwnThroat, what I described is what I have and what I want to do. I have thousands of files called Track1, Track 2 .... or Plage01, Plage02 ... and I just want to edit their tags and rename them all as 1, 2, 3... for X reasons. But I'm clueless about multimedia stuff (technical side) and not so expert scripting. But as I said, I'll ask more next time (I usually see you in this channel :P) . thanks for your attention :) |
| 07:51.44 | PetiteChate | I don't no |
| 07:51.47 | chergp | ok |
| 07:51.48 | Mirai_trunks | of course |
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| 07:51.57 | awal1 | good night all :) |
| 07:51.59 | chergp | johny !!! |
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| 07:52.09 | Mirai_trunks | what goodnight |
| 07:52.10 | PetiteChate | good day |
| 07:52.12 | ishish | johnny !!! my friend |
| 07:52.25 | chergp | what time is it in your cuntry ? |
| 07:52.27 | PetiteChate | hello Johny :$ |
| 07:52.39 | chergp | what time is it in your country ? |
| 07:52.45 | ishish | 10h |
| 07:52.49 | Mirai_trunks | qsd |
| 07:52.50 | Mirai_trunks | sd |
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| 07:52.58 | ishish | philtre irc |
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| 07:53.26 | ishish | and tour dad |
| 07:53.29 | chergp | in the classroom |
| 07:53.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | awal1, but what you said is you have track1 track2 ⦠now it's Plage01 Plage02 or Track1 Track2 ⦠capitalization matters, etc. make a sample directory and put files in there, put the output of ls into a pastebin |
| 07:53.46 | ishish | tu veut pas parler fr , |
| 07:53.47 | PetiteChate | I don't no |
| 07:53.49 | ishish | ? |
| 07:54.19 | ishish | Ouais N.I |
| 07:54.19 | ishish | Moi ? |
| 07:54.19 | ishish | J'ai tellement rêvé du disque d'or que je n'en dors plus la noche |
| 07:54.20 | ishish | J'dirais que la vie est une grosse chienne et il faut pas être en chien pour la dresser |
| 07:54.20 | ishish | Ouais N.I |
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| 07:54.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | guys, this channel is for technical questions and discussions, please use #debian-offtopic for general chatter |
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| 07:54.43 | Pr0 | Anyone knows what might be wrong with my debian? I just installed it but my resolution is stuck at 1024x640, I did install with a vga cable and I also tried hdmi and dvi but stil the same problem. I'm using gefore gtx660ti, shouldn't drivers be installed during installation? |
| 07:55.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | this is also an english-language channel |
| 07:55.07 | PetiteChate | fuck |
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| 07:55.55 | darxmurf | CutMeOwnThroat: they are just here to flood |
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| 07:56.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | darxmurf, possible, but it has to be said at least once for someone to kick them :) |
| 07:57.05 | darxmurf | ^^ |
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| 07:57.57 | jolt | Pr0: I'm not an expert on the graphics side, but I think that nvidia has proprietary drivers that is not part of the install. So you would have to find a guide on how to run those afterwards |
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| 07:58.31 | Pr0 | I only found non free |
| 07:58.46 | jolt | Pr0: Yes, because Nvidia doesn't open source their stuff |
| 07:58.55 | jolt | i.e. their drivers specifically |
| 07:59.20 | jolt | So you have to install non-free stuff, or directly install the drivers from nvidia. Not sure what you prefer. Not running nvidia myself |
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| 07:59.45 | jolt | Pr0: Perhaps this is a good start: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 07:59.46 | Pr0 | I never needed to do this before in order to get higher res than 1024 so why would I need it now |
| 08:00.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Pr0, the nouveau drivers should be installed. it's good to know the pci id of the card for the exact driver, you cat that with lspci -nn |
| 08:00.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Pr0, als look at the logs⦠should be /var/log/Xorg* |
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| 08:01.24 | Pr0 | 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GK104 [GeForce GTX 660 Ti] [10de:1183] (rev a1) |
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| 08:01.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | and sometimes a fixed resolution can be the monitor that (wrongly) reports it can only do this |
| 08:02.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, pciid 10de:1183 |
| 08:02.01 | judd | [10de:1183] is 'GK104 [GeForce GTX 660 Ti]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:1183 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 08:02.53 | Mirai_trunks | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.55 | Samwan | Hi guys. I hope this is the right place to ask. I bought a new laptop and I use Debian stable as my only operating system. Should I rather install Jessie and upgrade to Stretch when it's out, or install Testing since it's already frozen and switch to stable repositories once it's released? |
| 08:02.57 | Mirai_trunks | i need some help |
| 08:03.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | not much info on how well it runs with nouveau⦠oh well, I have to run |
| 08:04.24 | Mirai_trunks | my husband cheat on me |
| 08:04.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Samwan, your call⦠depends on how many bugs you want to fix before the release. :) You can just use the codename "stretch" in sources.list and it'll keep tracking that, nevermind if it is still testing or becomes stable, though |
| 08:04.29 | Mirai_trunks | i don't know what to do |
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| 08:05.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | this is quite enough⦠|
| 08:05.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ops Mirai_trunks |
| 08:05.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: cutmeownthroat complains about: Mirai_trunks |
| 08:05.23 | Samwan | CutMeOwnThroat: I didn't know I can use "stretch" before it's released. I will do so in this case in order to avoid doing a system upgrade in near future |
| 08:05.29 | Samwan | thank you very much |
| 08:06.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Samwan, it's called stretch now and will continue to be called that way :) |
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| 08:09.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Pr0, the Xorg.0.log will tell you why it chose a specific resolution⦠but it'll probably not be very easy to read that info from that file |
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| 08:10.57 | Mirai_trunks | fuk debian |
| 08:11.02 | Mirai_trunks | love windows |
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| 08:17.48 | darxmurf | so... still dumb folks flooding IRC... |
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| 08:17.54 | jMicD | can anyone tell me if this iptable rules wont kick me out. I'm just trying to block rest of the ports except 80, 443, 22 and icmp, rules --> https://pastebin.com/45iktGQ5 |
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| 08:18.39 | jolt | Samwan: If your hardware is supported in stable, then use that. If you then feel adventorus you can "upgrade" to testing and run that. But it's really hard to do the other way around. |
| 08:18.59 | darxmurf | huuuu can wpa_supplicant mess up the situation if it's config file is not chmod 600 ? |
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| 08:20.24 | dionysus69 | are there theoretical plans to unite debian / fedora / sure dev teams under a common linux camp? |
| 08:20.33 | dionysus69 | suse* |
| 08:20.42 | bezaban | whats a theoretical plan? |
| 08:20.59 | dionysus69 | practical plan would be something already underway |
| 08:21.11 | dionysus69 | I mean, is someone even trying to do such thing? |
| 08:21.15 | bezaban | no |
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| 08:22.39 | bezaban | different models, goals and approaches. Fedora is part of RHEL/CentOS development. |
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| 08:22.55 | dionysus69 | yes so why cant those projects merge |
| 08:23.08 | bezaban | because they have different goals, models and approaches |
| 08:23.09 | dionysus69 | what is fedora doing that debian wouldn't use and vise versa |
| 08:23.16 | dionysus69 | obviously there would need to be some compromises |
| 08:23.33 | bezaban | why don't all the worlds companies megre? :) |
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| 08:24.08 | dionysus69 | welll ok |
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| 08:24.44 | dionysus69 | I guess, I am just worried for the fragmentation, which affects common users. |
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| 08:25.07 | dionysus69 | I think that's why linux hasn't been adopted on mainstream PC market |
| 08:25.34 | dionysus69 | because the ecosystem seems fragile while fragmented |
| 08:25.44 | bezaban | I'd say it's more resilient with more actors |
| 08:26.06 | dionysus69 | ye but slower to achieve goals which would benefit all |
| 08:26.10 | bezaban | but it is not a pronounced goal or something any of the parties want. |
| 08:26.27 | bezaban | most of the bigger parts of it contribute back to linux |
| 08:26.34 | bezaban | which all benefit from |
| 08:26.45 | dionysus69 | ye but OS is not just kernel |
| 08:26.51 | dionysus69 | I mean standardizing on GUI |
| 08:27.12 | dionysus69 | don't kill KDE gnome and others, just make one that would be "standard" |
| 08:27.32 | bezaban | diversity and flexibility is part of what draws people to linux distros. We can agree to disagree and I don't see it happening anytime soon. |
| 08:28.39 | dionysus69 | what you are saying is good, is good only to kernel since it is the only common part between linux devs |
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| 08:29.05 | bezaban | and most of the GNU utils |
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| 08:29.46 | dionysus69 | but not the desktop environments as a whole |
| 08:30.13 | bezaban | those are common across distros too |
| 08:30.50 | dionysus69 | if you want mass adoption, you need to support one solid DE, that's why ubuntu was adopted more than others in the mortal user world |
| 08:31.36 | bezaban | I don't see that as a goal in itself, but if I did I'm not sure federation would be my chosen approach. that's probably the core of this discussion. |
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| 08:33.10 | dionysus69 | if not, then you would want a company size of microsoft to take on developing linux, and in that scenario that disto would become close to what mac or windows are |
| 08:33.22 | dionysus69 | in order to avoid that I would still suggest federation |
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| 08:33.46 | bezaban | suggestion noted |
| 08:33.49 | dionysus69 | :D |
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| 08:40.03 | J-BBB_ | Hi |
| 08:40.06 | J-BBB_ | E: Der Treiber für Methode /usr/lib/apt/methods/https konnte nicht gefunden werden. |
| 08:40.06 | J-BBB_ | N: Ist das Paket apt-transport-https installiert? |
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| 08:40.41 | J-BBB_ | if i try to install apt-transport-https |
| 08:40.41 | J-BBB_ | Die folgenden Pakete haben unerfüllte Abhängigkeiten: |
| 08:40.42 | J-BBB_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:40.42 | J-BBB_ | E: Probleme können nicht korrigiert werden, Sie haben zurückgehaltene defekte Pakete. |
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| 08:41.31 | J-BBB_ | any idea? |
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| 08:44.40 | J-BBB_ | ok fixed |
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| 08:50.53 | Azrael_- | i want to create a setup-script after the installation, currently i thought about looking for a way to change the configuration of e.g. sshd_config to allow root-access with password. is there an easy way to accomplish this or do i have to go into a full fledged configuration solution like e.g. puppet? |
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| 08:53.25 | fonshua | if my /usr is full, can I move its content to another partition, and symlink everything to /usr? |
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| 08:56.16 | Azrael_- | fonshua: could work, but could also provide you a lot of problems. imho it would be best to just create a partition for this location and directly mount it there |
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| 08:56.47 | Azrael_- | be careful regarding /usr/bin, try to find out what really filled this branch |
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| 09:15.07 | CyberJacob | am I right in thinking I should be able to stop a systemd timer by doing `systemctl stop myprogram.timer` ? |
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| 09:15.23 | CyberJacob | It's just hanging and not doing anything... |
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| 09:31.29 | petn-randall | CyberJacob: How are they hanging? |
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| 09:34.54 | archer121 | hi, I am trying to install a software on Debian jessie, all I have is this link: http://matrix.org/packages/debian/ I think I am supposed to add this to apt. Can someone help me with this? |
| 09:34.55 | archer121 | I know that I should be creating a line in sources.list But how do I figure out what options to give after the url? |
| 09:35.02 | CyberJacob | petn-randall: the systemctl command is hanging, I'm trying to stop the timer because it's not triggereing the service it's meant to start |
| 09:35.50 | petn-randall | CyberJacob: You run 'systemctl stop myprogram.timer' and it hangs? |
| 09:35.55 | CyberJacob | yup |
| 09:36.08 | petn-randall | CyberJacob: What does 'systemctl status myprogram.timer' give you? |
| 09:36.21 | CyberJacob | petn-randall: hitting ^C returns to the shell immidiately |
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| 09:38.08 | petn-randall | CyberJacob: You mean the status command also hangs? Indeed, that shouldn't happen. |
| 09:38.22 | CyberJacob | petn-randall: no, just the stop command that hangs |
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| 09:39.03 | CyberJacob | petn-randall: I'm running an `aptitude upgrade` at the moment to see if that fixes it, I'll grab the status output when it finishes |
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| 09:42.05 | CyberJacob | petn-randall: https://gist.github.com/cyberjacob/f59fdddbcf19876b476cd44e7a749655 |
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| 09:55.13 | CyberJacob | petn-randall: ok, so the update has frozen, and trying to reboot does the same thing |
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| 09:57.36 | jolt | archer121: deb http://matrix.org/packages/debian/ jessie main mayhaps? |
| 09:58.10 | archer121 | jolt: Thanks, I got it. |
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| 09:59.07 | archer121 | But then, how do I make sure that it is "main"? Am I supposed to figure it out on my own, or was it supposed to be given along with the url at the dev's page? Just asking. :) |
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| 10:04.07 | jolt | archer121: I think thats the default. So if I would try I would use "main", then "contrib" or "non-free" |
| 10:04.42 | archer121 | I see, thanks! |
| 10:04.43 | jolt | archer121: Or just look in the "pool" dir on that server :) |
| 10:05.29 | paul_grozav | Hello, If I run an app(written by me) that calls syslog. Can I set syslog to redirect messages to a given log ... without root rights? |
| 10:07.30 | blackflow | paul_grozav: yes, man rsyslog.conf for matching examples |
| 10:08.20 | blackflow | paul_grozav: maybe the best would be to use one of the local facilities |
| 10:08.25 | paul_grozav | blackflow: doesn't that require writing permissions to /etc/rsyslog.conf? |
| 10:09.00 | jolt | paul_grozav: Yes, I think you need root for that. But, you could send with LOCAL level for example |
| 10:09.01 | blackflow | paul_grozav: well yes you'd have to edit the config file |
| 10:09.26 | celyr | Hi |
| 10:09.28 | jolt | paul_grozav: There is a bunch of them and those might be sent to different files |
| 10:09.52 | celyr | why in god name I'm getting not found when trying: # apt-get changelog firebird2.5-classic |
| 10:09.57 | paul_grozav | that's the point. I don't have root rights. Can I intercept the messages sent by my app to syslog without having root access? |
| 10:10.30 | blackflow | paul_grozav: if it's written by you, why can't you just log to a file of your choice? |
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| 10:12.58 | paul_grozav | blackflow: Yes, I could :) I'm just trying to understand how (what scenario) syslog might help me. |
| 10:13.32 | paul_grozav | so, I get it that it's meant to send messages to system administrators only |
| 10:13.37 | celyr | in the debian website it is aviable |
| 10:17.10 | petn-randall | CyberJacob: How did you define the timer? |
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| 10:20.09 | CyberJacob | petn-randall: a unit file at /etc/systemd/user/myprogram.timer |
| 10:20.31 | CyberJacob | I think something was very broken with systemd, I tried a reboot and the command just hung again |
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| 10:22.36 | petn-randall | CyberJacob: Can you show us the contents of your timer? |
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| 10:26.28 | CyberJacob | petn-randall: https://gist.github.com/cyberjacob/e53c7d2c0cf342e4f59e120d0bfb2a33 |
| 10:30.14 | petn-randall | CyberJacob: And how is /usr/share/python/myprogram/bin/dostuff defined? Does the same issue happen if you have "ExecStart=/bin/true" defined? |
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| 10:31.05 | CyberJacob | petn-randall: dostuff is a python file with a shebang to python |
| 10:31.17 | CyberJacob | The issue was happening with most calls to systemd |
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| 10:32.18 | petn-randall | CyberJacob: On which OS release is this? |
| 10:32.31 | CyberJacob | petn-randall: Jessie 8.7 |
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| 10:34.57 | petn-randall | CyberJacob: Does it happen if you define "ExecStart=/bin/true"? |
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| 10:35.18 | petn-randall | ,v systemd |
| 10:35.20 | judd | Package: systemd on amd64 -- wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u6; jessie-proposed-updates: 215-17+deb8u7; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; stretch: 232-22; sid: 232-22; experimental: 233-5 |
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| 10:38.42 | CyberJacob | petn-randall: I'm not able to run `systemctl daemon-reload`, that hangs as well |
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| 10:41.44 | petn-randall | CyberJacob: Then revert the machine to a working state, and work from there. |
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| 10:42.27 | CyberJacob | petn-randall: I haven't made any changes, just found it like this this morning after a notification that the service wasn't running |
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| 10:44.41 | blackflow | CyberJacob: any hardware issues? things blowing up by themselves like that are usually caused by hw |
| 10:44.48 | kus | hi, i have a lenovo y510p laptop that I dualboot between windows and debian. everything works (to my surprise) but when I connect an external display (VGA or HDMI) in Debian, the display just stops. When I unplug the vga cable, I see that I have been logged out and sent back to the log in screen. What do? |
| 10:45.22 | Lowl3v3l | kus: does booting with the vga pluggin in work? |
| 10:45.29 | CyberJacob | blackflow: it's a VM, so seems unlikely |
| 10:45.32 | deemel | I want to run a simple script that opens a mate-terminal when called and displays a message there to notify me of something. However, when called the terminal window closes immediately. Any ideas? |
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| 10:46.11 | Lowl3v3l | deemel: you could add a waiting for a key input to the script. |
| 10:46.17 | blackflow | CyberJacob: not quite. host could have issues, reflected in the VM through corrupt data |
| 10:46.23 | petn-randall | CyberJacob: How do you know your systemd issue is related to this specific timer then? |
| 10:46.26 | blackflow | CyberJacob: seen it happen. |
| 10:46.34 | deemel | Lowl3v3l like how? |
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| 10:47.04 | CyberJacob | deemel: do you have a delay at the end of your script, after printing the message? |
| 10:47.15 | Lowl3v3l | deemel: https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-unix-pause-command.html |
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| 10:47.20 | CyberJacob | petn-randall: I don't, it's just where I started troubleshooting |
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| 10:48.41 | petn-randall | *sigh* |
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| 10:49.38 | petn-randall | CyberJacob: If you have unspecific hangs like this, I'm guessing there's an I/O issue with the underlying block device. I'd look into /var/log/kern.log to see if there are any such issues. |
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| 10:55.16 | deemel | Lowl3vel thx that worked |
| 10:55.25 | deemel | also, mate-terminal was kinda bitchy about it |
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| 10:57.52 | Lowl3v3l | deemel: dunno about mate's terminal, never used it^^ |
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| 10:58.28 | proxy1 | Hello, I installed x11-xserver-utils on Debian 8.7.1 running on ThinkPad X201. Now xterm background is changed from black to grey, and the black color in wallpaper looks greyish. Removing x11-xserver-utils fixes the problem. Can anyone tell how to fix this? I need to use xrandr which is part of x11-xserver-utils. |
| 10:58.44 | blackflow | deemel: do you know about "notify-send" tool? |
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| 11:04.25 | kus | Lowl3v3l, no booting does not complete with the vga plugged in |
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| 11:05.49 | Lowl3v3l | kus: if you boot with the vga plugged in, does dmesg | tail tell you anything? |
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| 11:06.16 | kus | how? the display is blank with occasional flashing? |
| 11:06.40 | kus | like ctrl + alt + f6 or something? |
| 11:07.33 | kus | I usually just shift + alt + REISUB out when I realize the vga is plugged in. I imagine it has something to do with gnome? It didn't happen with Fedora 25. |
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| 11:07.41 | Lowl3v3l | kus you try it and i assume if you reboot after without it it will be still in the logs if you have some failure |
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| 11:07.53 | kus | ok I will try it |
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| 11:16.05 | kus-n6 | something like nouveau E pbus mmio write at 0x00000002 fault at 0x4188ac ibus |
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| 11:33.24 | SilverBe | are there any tools for debian to check whether my system is exposed to a CVE? I mean even before there is a security patch or sth. I'm aware of unattendet-upgrade and apticron |
| 11:34.36 | blackflow | SilverBe: nope. |
| 11:34.37 | arturo | SilverBe: try debsecan |
| 11:34.48 | SilverBe | thanks ;D |
| 11:35.53 | arturo | a great tool, BTW, with little publicity behind it |
| 11:36.08 | rizonz | anyone preseeding using a 64bits only mirror ? |
| 11:36.11 | arturo | debsecan analyzes the list of installed packages on the current host and reports vulnerabilities found on the system. |
| 11:36.23 | SilverBe | yeah, looks pretty great |
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| 11:38.17 | arturo | BTW, my debian testing system: debsecan | wc -l --> 755 :-) |
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| 11:39.22 | arturo | imagine how the thing would be if the debian security team weren't that powerful |
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| 11:41.36 | SilverBe | listening to a computer security course @university... we have to compare deb vs openbsd, obviously to rape debian :-( |
| 11:42.14 | Lowl3v3l | SilverBe: well tbh considering what openbsd's goal is you can't really win with a systme that has another goal in the security department |
| 11:42.15 | blackflow | SilverBe: i'm pretty sure the comparison will be one-sided and fallacious. :) |
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| 11:42.31 | SilverBe | ofc ;D |
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| 11:43.01 | SilverBe | I use deb for production since sarge and i just love it |
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| 11:43.44 | SilverBe | and wrt some edge cases debian is - numberwise - pretty close to obsd after installing a bare system |
| 11:44.02 | blackflow | openbsd is not as secure as people think. there's a lot of hype around that, but at the end of the day, their principal security "method" -- correctness of code -- has been proven broken. |
| 11:44.15 | SilverBe | 5 times as many libs installed was one of the main differences. and like 3* more open files ;D |
| 11:44.59 | SilverBe | in fact only the base system is secure. as soon as you install a beast like apache, the security benefit is pretty much gone |
| 11:45.01 | SilverBe | imho |
| 11:45.46 | SilverBe | but I'm no expert... thats why i took the course ;D |
| 11:46.08 | blackflow | as soon as you install _anything_ that's not in the base, and is installable on <another distro / OS>, that "benefit" is gone. |
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| 11:50.35 | tw | Your argument is that because only the base system is more secure than other equivalent userspace base systems, it doesn't have significant security benefits. That is bonkers. |
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| 11:52.11 | blackflow | well, if foobar-1.2.3.tar.gz has any vulns, those vulns will be there regardless of the underlying base. the question is only about additional vectors those vulns can produce, eg. kernel compromisation on a linux system which obvs wouldn't work on openbsd, and vice versa. |
| 11:52.42 | arturo | I would consider a key point in the security of the system how easy/fast is to update it, you will have to do so |
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| 11:53.15 | blackflow | meanwhile, I can use things like apparmor or selinux on linux. no such thing on *BSD. Openbsd claims security through correct code, which is unattainable. proven by the CVEs in their own home-grown NIHs like openhttpd, opensmtpd, libressl has had cve's not in openssl, etc... |
| 11:53.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | arturo, the large number of replies from debsecan makes it near-useless for me |
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| 11:54.48 | arturo | CutMeOwnThroat: too much information? you can filter by package |
| 11:55.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | arturo, you'd need to filter by relevance somehow |
| 11:55.16 | tw | Both of those are good arguments. defense in depth is required. |
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| 11:55.56 | blackflow | tw: sure, but openbsd kinda takes it one-sided. even freebsd devs aren't convinced and are ignoring pledge in favor of capsicum. |
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| 11:56.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess it's somehow doable after you invested about 2 days of time sifting through it all and whitelisting or uninstalling stuff |
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| 11:56.13 | arturo | CutMeOwnThroat: what about grep 'high urgency' or grep 'remotely exploitable' |
| 11:56.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I already uninstalled it :-} |
| 11:56.51 | blackflow | CutMeOwnThroat: it's a nice experiment in seeing how many CVEs affect you but that's it. no other useful goal in that unless you intend to fix all that yourself :) meanwhile, it's _never_ going to be 0. |
| 11:56.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | I had it doing the automatic cron mail thingy for about a year |
| 11:57.17 | jelly | !ftpmustdie |
| 11:57.18 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html. The Debian project will cease offering mirrors via FTP on 2017-11-01 https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170425 |
| 11:57.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | blackflow, you could work around them |
| 11:57.27 | blackflow | tw: proper security starts with: "This is vulnerable sooner or later, how do we contain it, limit impact, mitigate it." openbsd's security starts with an attempt to write a code that's not vulnerable to begin with. uh-huh. good luck with that. |
| 11:57.54 | tw | blackflow: you mean they prefer the capsicum approach or they don't have developers working on it? |
| 11:57.55 | blackflow | CutMeOwnThroat: depends. |
| 11:58.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | but what debsecan would need would be a real test to see if your system really is vulnerable in the current config |
| 11:58.02 | blackflow | tw: they prefer capsicum |
| 11:58.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | and filters to e.g. ignore non-remotely exploitable |
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| 11:58.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno |
| 11:58.35 | tw | blackflow: Isn't that the same idea as cgroups? |
| 11:58.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I started looking through the list at one time |
| 11:58.47 | blackflow | tw: nope, it's similar to seccomp |
| 11:59.01 | blackflow | cgroups have nothing analogous in BSD world |
| 11:59.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's quite a while ago⦠but from what I remember, each CVE took anything from 5 to 15 minutes to decide if it really affects me and needs to be fixed |
| 11:59.21 | tw | I see what you mean. |
| 11:59.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | which makes it useless |
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| 12:01.05 | blackflow | CutMeOwnThroat: you're giving a lot of weight to published vulns. it'd be better to treat the system as constantly vulnerable and work around that in layers. |
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| 12:04.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | like what? selinux and make the system unusable? |
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| 12:05.04 | petn-randall | An offline system is a safe system. That's why I use SELinux. |
| 12:05.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^^ |
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| 12:05.11 | tw | I'd like to believe that a provably secure userspace is possible, if only in theory, but the expense of getting there is problematic and doesn't pan out for NGOs. |
| 12:05.36 | blackflow | CutMeOwnThroat: unusable? why? my systems are perfectly usable and are protected by selinux and apparmor. |
| 12:05.53 | petn-randall | blackflow: *and*? |
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| 12:06.01 | jelly | and cake! |
| 12:06.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean ⦠somewhat usable after you spent days or weeks hunting for reasons why they aren't? |
| 12:06.15 | blackflow | tw: you'd have to take out the human out of the equation |
| 12:06.23 | blackflow | petn-randall: ? |
| 12:06.30 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: but you do that once. |
| 12:06.34 | blackflow | petn-randall: yes, different machines |
| 12:06.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, no, I don't |
| 12:06.45 | blackflow | not at the same time of course, those LSMs don't stack |
| 12:06.49 | petn-randall | blackflow: Ah, ok. I wouldn't work my way into both, though. |
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| 12:07.21 | blackflow | petn-randall: I prefer debian and apparmor, but I have to manage a few centos machines. |
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| 12:07.39 | blackflow | the problem with "unusable" is that it's not selinux fault, it's broken policy's fault, which is fixable. |
| 12:07.42 | tw | blackflow: that's why I said provably secure user-*space*, users aren't secure. But if you can guarantee everything up to say, a posix-2008 interface, you're in pretty good shape. |
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| 12:08.26 | tw | which would be a monumental proof task. |
| 12:08.56 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
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| 12:09.27 | blackflow | CutMeOwnThroat: example: I've locked down my Firefox with an apparmor policy. It can't access anything in ~/ except ~/Downloads/. Any "normal" user would find it unusable and would quit it. How do you browse for files to upload? You can't. so I always copy what I want uploaded to that dir first. It's usable, it works, and my FF won't leak ~/Documents to russians. :) |
| 12:10.25 | petn-randall | Or ~/.ssh/, as there even was such an exploit in the wild back in 2015. |
| 12:10.50 | blackflow | petn-randall: yeah, that too |
| 12:11.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess I got stuck at Any "normal" user would find it unusable |
| 12:11.49 | blackflow | it's covered by base apparmor policy. So I modified it to exclude ALL files in ~ |
| 12:12.24 | blackflow | CutMeOwnThroat: depends what you want. If handling keys is inconvenient and "unusable", feel free to keep your doors unlocked :) |
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| 12:12.44 | blackflow | if you want secure, you'll have to forget about many of the conveniences. |
| 12:13.06 | tw | I think you also have to allow .firefox or whatever the user-cache folder is. But that's literally what tails does with torbrowser. |
| 12:13.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I heard some people wanted to protect themselves from death⦠and so he couldn't find them, locked themseles into an hermetically sealed room. |
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| 12:13.59 | blackflow | tw: yes, but that's just the point. with MAC you specify what a process can or cannot do. Even if a vuln in FF allows it to become root, it can't do anything I don't want it to (if the policy is correct). |
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| 12:21.50 | RandomGuyOnIrc | If I long into a remote server via rdp or vnc, is there a way of sending ctrl-alt-f1? |
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| 12:22.47 | RandomGuyOnIrc | I am guessing there isn't since I have never seen either work with a terminal, only X windows |
| 12:23.22 | jelly | decent clients have a way to press and hold Alt (and Control) for you |
| 12:23.55 | RandomGuyOnIrc | jelly: can you suggest any? |
| 12:24.14 | jelly | dunno, remmina maybe? krdc? |
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| 12:24.56 | RandomGuyOnIrc | ok thanks |
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| 13:43.59 | buhletxr | ell, I have a debian machine, on an esxi, I got a 2TB external hard drive also |
| 13:44.00 | buhletxr | My plan is to use that disk to have 3 shares |
| 13:44.00 | buhletxr | 1 - public ( everyone can create files there, and edit, etc etc) |
| 13:44.00 | buhletxr | 2 - backup share ( inside this share, each user will have his folder, where only he can access his stuff) |
| 13:44.00 | buhletxr | 3 - company share ( users, can add and edit proposals, create folders etc) |
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| 13:53.56 | celyr | lol |
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| 13:54.56 | pompon | hi all |
| 13:55.14 | pompon | who knows when gnome 3.24 will be available in jessie? |
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| 13:55.47 | petn-randall | pompon: It will never be, no feature updates go into the stable branch. |
| 13:55.55 | pompon | oh sorry |
| 13:55.58 | pompon | not jessie |
| 13:56.02 | pompon | the 9.0 version :p |
| 13:56.13 | celyr | stretch |
| 13:56.17 | pompon | stretch: ) |
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| 13:56.29 | petn-randall | pompon: Same for stretch, since it's already frozen. If it's not there yet, it won't go in there anymore. |
| 13:56.41 | petn-randall | ,v gnome |
| 13:56.43 | judd | Package: gnome on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.22+2; sid: 1:3.22+2 |
| 13:56.57 | petn-randall | So stretch will ship with 3.22 in a few months. |
| 13:56.59 | pompon | so we need to wait the future unstable version? |
| 13:57.02 | celyr | gnome has 3.22 |
| 13:57.15 | pompon | oh :( |
| 13:57.36 | celyr | pompon, at the moment there is no 3.24 even in sid :P |
| 13:57.53 | pompon | too bad :P |
| 13:58.46 | petn-randall | shrugs. |
| 13:58.47 | petn-randall | !sns |
| 13:58.47 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 14:02.31 | Stummi | !ssb |
| 14:02.31 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 14:03.18 | jelly | Stummi: there's nothing "simple" in "want to backprt the whole of gnome" |
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| 14:03.44 | Stummi | yeah, right. Just didn't know what ssb meant, so I checked the factoid |
| 14:03.54 | celyr | testing is a moving target before it's freezed |
| 14:03.58 | celyr | now it's not a moving target at all |
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| 14:05.45 | zykotick9 | celyr: <sidenote> freezed -> frozen (no comment on your actual claim) |
| 14:06.01 | celyr | zeitsofa, ouch sorry |
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| 14:06.51 | Renari | Does anyone know which log I would look for when my desktop session is closing to the login screen while I'm doing things? |
| 14:07.31 | celyr | Renari, I would take a look to syslog messages and the X logs |
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| 14:10.46 | jhutchins_wk | Renari: Possibly /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but define "doing things", and what happens when the login screen "closes"? |
| 14:11.05 | Renari | I was playing a game in chrome. |
| 14:11.41 | Renari | The only other thing I had running was a java application and some remote desktop applications. |
| 14:12.09 | jhutchins_wk | Renari: Which pretty much assumes you were already logged in to an xsession, so why would you expect the login screen? I presume you mean whatever greeter/dm loads your GUI. |
| 14:12.40 | Renari | I'm not expecting the login screen I was forced to the login screen, closing everything I was running and the xsession restarted. |
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| 14:16.26 | Renari | By the login screen I mean lightdm. |
| 14:17.42 | celyr | Renari, look at those logs I'm pretty sure Xorg crashed |
| 14:18.12 | celyr | Renari, I would also take a look at /var/log/messages /var/log/syslog |
| 14:18.18 | Renari | It did. |
| 14:18.52 | Renari | This is the end of Xord.0.log.old https://gist.github.com/Renari/f5f7bf6231ffcb6c4f456ebc42f5fbae |
| 14:18.58 | buhletxr | I have a debian machine, on an esxi, I got a 2TB external hard drive also |
| 14:19.05 | buhletxr | My plan is to use that disk to have 3 shares |
| 14:19.15 | buhletxr | 1 - public ( everyone can create files there, and edit, etc etc) |
| 14:19.23 | buhletxr | 2 - backup share ( inside this share, each user will have his folder, where only he can access his stuff) |
| 14:19.31 | buhletxr | 3 - company share ( users, can add and edit proposals, create folders etc) |
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| 14:19.38 | celyr | buhletxr, welcome back lol |
| 14:19.39 | buhletxr | only the public one doesn't need login, the others are supposed to need |
| 14:19.39 | petn-randall | buhletxr: Better use a paste site. |
| 14:19.47 | petn-randall | or: |
| 14:19.47 | buhletxr | can anyone help me here? ;D |
| 14:19.48 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 14:19.48 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:19.48 | buhletxr | ehhe |
| 14:20.03 | buhletxr | yeh, got kicked the 1st time xD |
| 14:20.12 | celyr | buhletxr, I guess that by share you mean windows share ? |
| 14:20.12 | buhletxr | wasn't expecting it |
| 14:20.12 | buhletxr | xD |
| 14:20.24 | buhletxr | well, I'm doing it via smb.conf |
| 14:20.29 | buhletxr | on a linux machine |
| 14:20.39 | buhletxr | but yes is to be able to windows mahcines to use it |
| 14:20.47 | buhletxr | been 2 days blocked at this :-\ |
| 14:20.52 | jhutchins_wk | Renari: What release, what card/drivers? |
| 14:20.53 | celyr | buhletxr, do you have an AD server ? |
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| 14:21.00 | buhletxr | no celyr |
| 14:21.04 | jhutchins_wk | Renari: xorg segfaulted. |
| 14:21.17 | celyr | buhletxr, so you are doing everything with a workgroup ? |
| 14:21.19 | Renari | jhutchins_wk, I'm on testing let me look up drivers. |
| 14:21.25 | buhletxr | yes celyr |
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| 14:21.35 | buhletxr | that's the plan, it's for 3 computers, 4 max |
| 14:21.54 | jhutchins_wk | !samba |
| 14:21.54 | dpkg | Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ http://samba.org/samba/docs/ http://wiki.samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <dfs>. |
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| 14:22.00 | celyr | buhletxr, my suggestions is to use the samba server as an AD DC and use a domain |
| 14:22.14 | buhletxr | can't celyr |
| 14:22.19 | jhutchins_wk | buhletxr: There's nothing unusual in what you're describing. |
| 14:22.46 | buhletxr | jhutchins_wk actually there's a lot |
| 14:22.54 | jhutchins_wk | celyr: That's really overkill for that small a group. |
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| 14:23.36 | buhletxr | 1st I added this to fstab: |
| 14:23.37 | Renari | jhutchins_wk, https://gist.github.com/Renari/0487840c1c8625a634add272abb88bd1 |
| 14:23.47 | celyr | jhutchins_wk, It's more user friendly to me, workgroups with autentications tend to harass the users |
| 14:23.49 | buhletxr | #EXTERNAL DRIVE : UUID=261A-CAC1/media/fsexfatuid=nobody,gid=nogroup,umask=0000,rw02 |
| 14:24.20 | celyr | buhletxr, why exfat ? why uid and gid ? why umaks ? why ? |
| 14:24.35 | buhletxr | exfat because it's the format of the partition |
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| 14:24.51 | buhletxr | uid and gid so that it doesn't get monted as root |
| 14:25.10 | buhletxr | if I mount it it will get root:root and then, I can't create shit there |
| 14:25.19 | buhletxr | at least this way public share is working |
| 14:25.29 | buhletxr | will link here my smb.conf file. sec |
| 14:25.55 | celyr | buhletxr, Why don't you reformat that partition to ext4 for example ? |
| 14:26.27 | celyr | or even raiserfs I mean I'm not that picky but exfat makes 0 sense |
| 14:26.36 | buhletxr | whats the point celyr ? I've been trying make this work for 2 days. can't now why lose more time formating partitions? |
| 14:27.18 | buhletxr | I already made like more than 20 smb.conf files |
| 14:28.56 | buhletxr | https://pastebin.com/D8jkSMgU |
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| 14:29.03 | celyr | buhletxr, because mounting as nobody nogroup with umask 0000 just to solve your permission issues that you can solve just by using a more efficient filesystem that is more tested and support permission doesn't look sane to me |
| 14:29.03 | buhletxr | this is the one atm |
| 14:29.11 | celyr | but then you are free to do whatever |
| 14:29.33 | buhletxr | I'm just trying to understand how to make this work >< |
| 14:29.52 | buhletxr | and actually found a lot of suggestions on google to do that |
| 14:30.15 | buhletxr | also, I cannot even change permissions or ownership of folders/files after the drive is monted :-\ |
| 14:30.43 | celyr | ofc |
| 14:30.55 | celyr | because exfat doesn't support permissions |
| 14:31.22 | buhletxr | (facepalm) |
| 14:31.30 | celyr | do yourself a favour and format that to ext4 then come back and solve what is not working and remove that force user nobody shit |
| 14:31.42 | buhletxr | xD |
| 14:31.47 | buhletxr | hehe thank you |
| 14:31.49 | buhletxr | ext4 then |
| 14:32.08 | buhletxr | hmmm, if I format as ext4 if one day I connect that external hard drive to a windows machine, I can't access it |
| 14:32.16 | buhletxr | so, shouldn't I format as ntfs? |
| 14:32.23 | celyr | buhletxr, no and no |
| 14:32.32 | Renari | jhutchins_wk, xserver-xorg-video-intel is display driver. |
| 14:32.48 | celyr | buhletxr, you can access there are drivers for ext3 for windows |
| 14:33.18 | celyr | buhletxr, and using ntfs won't help you in any way since ntfs permissions are afaik not supported in linux |
| 14:33.45 | buhletxr | ok, but I need the permissions to work in windows also |
| 14:34.23 | celyr | buhletxr, if by "to work" you mean via samba you will be able to do that |
| 14:34.29 | buhletxr | like I need user dbuhler for example to be the only one having access to his folder. and user jdanaia to be the only one having access to his own folder also. and then, there's some folders, where everyone have access |
| 14:34.50 | buhletxr | ok, step by step |
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| 14:35.04 | buhletxr | gona get one more red bull and format the disk to ext4 |
| 14:35.08 | celyr | buhletxr, if to work you mean that you actually detach the hard drive and has to preserve the permission when you attach it to windows no way |
| 14:35.15 | celyr | buhletxr, do a backup of the data |
| 14:35.21 | buhletxr | i have no data there |
| 14:35.22 | buhletxr | xD |
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| 14:35.31 | buhletxr | it's an empty external hard drive |
| 14:35.45 | celyr | buhletxr, may I ask you why are you using debian to do this instead of using like, windows ? |
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| 14:37.14 | buhletxr | 2 reasons: 1- I like linux, 2- I never touched debian before, only other linux distros, so want to get a little familiar with it. |
| 14:37.16 | nodiscc | hi does anyone have experience with live-build? i'm looking to allow users to select their language before running the live system |
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| 14:39.31 | celyr | buhletxr, Well it's up you. But since there will be nobody really able to do maintenance on that I really hope that will be filled with absolutely non necessary data |
| 14:40.18 | celyr | buhletxr, also... Please not that a 2tb external storage isn't going to be a safe storage in any way. This looks like a small business setup and it usually ends up in a huge than expected money loss whatever |
| 14:40.26 | nodiscc | i guess it has something to do with customizing syslinux menus/boot parameters but I can't figure how. right now I use lb config --bootappend-live "boot=live config locales=fr_FR.UTF-8" but i want to make this multilanguage |
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| 14:41.43 | buhletxr | thanks for your concern celyr I really appreciate it :) But it's for a 4 man business company. I need a file server. I know how to do it in windows. and I want to learn on linux |
| 14:42.04 | egis | Hello. How can I remove mysql-server-5.5? Even `sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql\*` is not removing it :( Error message: 'E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)'. |
| 14:42.15 | buhletxr | 2TB disc - 3 folders ( Company folder, Backup folder, Public Fodler) |
| 14:42.27 | egis | Also this error 'subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 5' |
| 14:42.30 | buhletxr | backup folder just to store personal backups |
| 14:42.43 | buhletxr | and company folder to store proposals, clients contacts etc |
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| 14:47.46 | celyr | buhletxr, and not even a raid1 on that ? |
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| 14:48.17 | celyr | buhletxr, I would really consider it |
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| 14:50.10 | buhletxr | no need xD |
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| 14:51.36 | buhletxr | never had such issues with a linux system. debian is killing me >< even with keyboard in remote desktop I had issues >< |
| 14:53.04 | jhutchins_wk | buhletxr: I'm not really following your whole narrative, but just mount the external drive using normal rw permissions and set the permissions/access in the smb.conf file. |
| 14:53.16 | jhutchins_wk | buhletxr: The documentation is not that bad if you take the time to read it. |
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| 14:53.34 | epsilon | buhletxr: you have only windows clients and a fileserver for them? do you have a domain and need the user & permission system like in windows? |
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| 14:56.03 | buhletxr | jhutchins_wk aslready read plenty of documentation. epsilon I dont have domain, just 3 machines and I want setup a file server for people host and share stuff instead of moving usb pendrives. lol |
| 14:56.22 | buhletxr | now, just formated my external drive with kfs.ext4 and this shit still shows exfat >< |
| 14:56.52 | celyr | buhletxr, did you umount it before formatting it ? |
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| 14:56.58 | jhutchins_wk | buhletxr: Possibly because formatting doesn't change the partition type flag in the partition table. |
| 14:56.58 | buhletxr | yep |
| 14:57.10 | buhletxr | yeh, thats why i rebooted the machine xD |
| 14:57.49 | celyr | then just change exfat to ext4 in your fstab and it should work (even with the wrong flag) |
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| 15:00.36 | buhletxr | fdisk -l still shows it as exFAT >< |
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| 15:01.18 | celyr | that's the partition flag indeed |
| 15:01.38 | celyr | type* |
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| 15:02.40 | celyr | buhletxr, if yoy want to "learn" linux you will have to document yourself way more than that... |
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| 15:03.23 | celyr | Just change the partition to id 83 if it makes you happy |
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| 15:04.53 | buhletxr | was updating it >< |
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| 15:08.03 | askz | hi guys, do you think a ssh jail need be created for each ssh user? I mean re-cping all the environment file for each user and jail him. |
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| 15:16.10 | abrotman | askz: that's subjective, no one can tell you if that's the right answer |
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| 15:16.23 | jhutchins_wk | askz: We have no idea what you're using it for. |
| 15:16.45 | jhutchins_wk | askz: Or what kind of malicious activity you're securing it against. |
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| 15:17.59 | petn-randall | Or why you're putting your users in jail. |
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| 15:19.29 | askz | It is for shared hosting |
| 15:20.14 | askz | I want certain user be able to ssh into their sftp space and be able to execute git/php/svn/<whatever_I_authorize> inside |
| 15:20.45 | askz | so I thought about docker too, with ForceCommand, which is indeed the most secure I think, |
| 15:23.43 | jhutchins_wk | askz: Why not go full VM? |
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| 15:25.37 | buhletxr | hey celyr I'm happy to say that I got it at ext4 and now mounted it on boot to /media/fs |
| 15:25.54 | buhletxr | now I'm going to create the 3 folder backup, company and public |
| 15:26.57 | buhletxr | and owenership of all files then it's root:root |
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| 15:27.19 | askz | jhutchins_wk: I already spawn vm for nginx/php storage etc. I don't want to spawn vm for each of my users ;) |
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| 15:27.27 | askz | it would be meaningless. |
| 15:27.55 | askz | I don't want to give them a VPS. Just a shell with limited capabilities |
| 15:28.18 | askz | and with shared infrastructure. |
| 15:29.25 | buhletxr | so celyr now, all my share folders have ownsership root:root and 755 permissions. |
| 15:29.58 | buhletxr | since file system permissions have priority over samba permissions, how users whould be able to write to disk? |
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| 15:33.50 | celyr | buhletxr, they don't have priority they are just a different thing |
| 15:34.33 | celyr | buhletxr, what you have to decide now is what user will own the samba directory |
| 15:34.40 | celyr | buhletxr, *share |
| 15:35.12 | buhletxr | I want diferent owners for diferent folders. |
| 15:35.14 | celyr | buhletxr, I usually make a new one for that and then I force the user on the config file, at least for the public |
| 15:35.17 | celyr | directory |
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| 15:35.42 | buhletxr | yeh, I have force user nobody to the public share |
| 15:35.48 | buhletxr | and yet can't write to it |
| 15:35.54 | buhletxr | cause it have 755 permissions |
| 15:35.57 | jaggz | I'm about to remove a PPA. Before I do, how do I ensure removal of packages that have come from that ppa? |
| 15:36.00 | celyr | buhletxr, I would not use nobody but whatever |
| 15:36.08 | buhletxr | even if is any other user |
| 15:36.20 | buhletxr | I can't change folder permissions |
| 15:36.21 | celyr | buhletxr, you can do chown root:nogroup public && chmod 775 public |
| 15:36.25 | buhletxr | because it's a mounted disk |
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| 15:36.35 | celyr | buhletxr, you can change permissions |
| 15:36.37 | celyr | man chown |
| 15:36.39 | celyr | man chmod |
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| 15:37.25 | jaggz | buhletxr, did you mount it readonly? |
| 15:38.27 | buhletxr | nop |
| 15:38.28 | buhletxr | used rw |
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| 15:38.43 | buhletxr | hmm celyr, seams I can . previously i coulnt >< |
| 15:39.02 | celyr | buhletxr, because you used exfat... |
| 15:39.16 | buhletxr | yeh >< starting to join things ;) |
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| 15:39.42 | buhletxr | lets see if I can make this work now then. If I do, I will then create a proper group for the share and put the users there |
| 15:39.42 | buhletxr | etc |
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| 15:48.03 | buhletxr | hmmm, I have set the public folder with 775 permissions, and owner is root:nogroup //// on smb.conf I got: create mask = 0644 and directory mask = 0775. I can access my public share, and create folder and file. But can't edit the file, or add more files inside the created folder |
| 15:48.34 | buhletxr | wich is strange because the nobody user have write permissions on the file/folder |
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| 15:50.32 | celyr | buhletxr, can you please check with ls -lash the permissions of the created file/directory ? |
| 15:50.37 | jhutchins_wk | buhletxr: Settings on the filesystem are really not relevant to the settings within samba. |
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| 15:51.09 | jhutchins_wk | buhletxr: Samba controls the permissions and ownership of the shares. |
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| 15:52.11 | jhutchins_wk | buhletxr: https://wiki.debian.org/SambaServerSimple |
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| 15:52.27 | buhletxr | there it is |
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| 15:52.57 | jhutchins_wk | buhletxr: https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.windows-file-server-with-samba.html |
| 15:53.02 | buhletxr | jhutchins_wk that tutorial... jeez. i followed it |
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| 15:53.30 | buhletxr | celyr https://pastebin.com/ajhE4ma9 |
| 15:53.30 | jhutchins_wk | buhletxr: Do you have the samba-doc package installed? |
| 15:54.00 | buhletxr | installing now |
| 15:54.26 | celyr | buhletxr, use mask 664 |
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| 15:55.08 | celyr | and it seems that directory mask being used is 755 and not 775 |
| 15:55.23 | buhletxr | but it's not. I have here: 775 |
| 15:55.25 | celyr | anyway an easier solution would be to use a relevant user for that share |
| 15:55.43 | celyr | drwxr-xr-x 2 nobody nogroup 4.0K Apr 26 15:51 pub 1 |
| 15:55.50 | celyr | this is not 775 is 755 |
| 15:56.20 | buhletxr | I know |
| 15:56.21 | buhletxr | >< |
| 15:56.34 | buhletxr | smb.conf is strange right? ;D ^ |
| 15:56.58 | celyr | I don't use samba that often |
| 15:57.00 | celyr | !samba |
| 15:57.00 | dpkg | Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ http://samba.org/samba/docs/ http://wiki.samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <dfs>. |
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| 15:57.12 | celyr | but never got any problem |
| 15:57.26 | celyr | I gtg now so I sugget to get help there I'll be back tomorrow prolly |
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| 15:57.35 | buhletxr | this is my conf file |
| 15:57.36 | buhletxr | https://pastebin.com/2EE8408E |
| 15:57.52 | buhletxr | sure m8, thanks for your help |
| 16:00.40 | jhutchins_wk | buhletxr: Your users may have to log in as a guest to access the public folder, and as a user to access retina. |
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| 16:01.30 | buhletxr | yeh, that's what I want, but actually for public, no need to "login" |
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| 16:06.30 | Guest94906 | Is this a good place to get help troubleshooting wpa_supplicant, or is there somewhere better? |
| 16:07.17 | jhutchins_wk | Guest94906: Probably as good as any. Which release are you on? |
| 16:07.28 | Guest94906 | Stretch |
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| 16:08.30 | Guest94906 | wpa supplicant always gets to the handshake (im running in console so no X) but then fails with "WRONG_KEY" |
| 16:08.35 | Guest94906 | I know the key is correct |
| 16:08.43 | Guest94906 | I've quadruple checked it |
| 16:08.56 | jhutchins_wk | !wpa_supplicant |
| 16:08.56 | dpkg | Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA) is a wireless encryption standard. A WPA supplicant for Debian systems is in the wpasupplicant package, read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz to configure (especially "Troubleshooting" for association to hidden SSIDs). Since Debian 7 "Wheezy", it is possible to install Debian over a WPA-protected network. https://wiki.debian.org/WPA https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 16:09.04 | jhutchins_wk | Guest94906: Perhaps it's not entered correctly. |
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| 16:10.24 | Guest94906 | well the weird thing, is that I can list the networks with other commands |
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| 16:10.31 | Guest94906 | so the driver is working |
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| 16:12.47 | rainfyre | Guest94906: can you run wicd-curses or make it an open hotspot? |
| 16:13.04 | Guest94906 | I can try wicd |
| 16:13.19 | rainfyre | Guest94906: if wicd-curses is on your machine it might save you headaches |
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| 16:13.56 | rainfyre | i've fooled with that so many times over the years. seems like the last time I messed with it I figured it out but I don't remember right now what I did |
| 16:14.07 | rainfyre | is your key in quotes? |
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| 16:14.25 | jhutchins_wk | Guest94906: Network Manager is usually the better tool these days, and has a CLI interface. |
| 16:14.42 | Guest94906 | yeah it's in quotes. I'm 1000% sure it's the right key. It does this on other networks like if I use my phone's hotspot to test it |
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| 16:15.26 | Guest94906 | It just refuses to complete the handshake |
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| 16:16.27 | Guest94906 | It's a supported wifi card too, it's ipw2100. I tried using ndiswrapper but same problem, which makes me think it's wpa_supplicant that's the issue |
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| 16:17.32 | jhutchins_wk | Guest94906: Except wpa_supplicant works fine for most of the people who use it. |
| 16:18.09 | jhutchins_wk | Guest94906: You might ask if there are issues in testing on #debian-next on oftc.net. They have more stretch specific knowledge there. |
| 16:18.10 | Guest94906 | well, yeah, which is why I'm confused |
| 16:18.22 | Guest94906 | alright I'll give it a try |
| 16:18.26 | Guest94906 | thanks y'all |
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| 16:47.08 | zero71 | how can i install xfce and mate desktops without installing the software that comes with them? |
| 16:47.43 | petn-randall | zero71: You mean just the window manager? |
| 16:47.48 | greycat | *what* |
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| 16:48.58 | zero71 | i guess window manger and the panel |
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| 16:50.49 | petn-randall | zero71: You'd have to look at what the desktop packages depend on, and just install those pieces that you want. For xfce4 it's probably xfwm4, don't know about mate. |
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| 16:51.46 | greycat | There will almost certainly be mandatory library dependencies. |
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| 16:51.51 | zero71 | ok, will check |
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| 16:55.51 | buhletxr | jhutchins_wk for some reason my dik public folder PUFF |
| 16:56.01 | buhletxr | I issued dmesg |
| 16:56.02 | buhletxr | https://pastebin.com/Jffb73gq |
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| 16:58.34 | buhletxr | rebooted and its ok now |
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| 17:09.55 | spacebug^ | I'm unable to see my ZTE Axon 7 with adb |
| 17:10.05 | spacebug^ | whats wrong? |
| 17:10.12 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 17:10.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:10.17 | petn-randall | !doesnt work |
| 17:10.17 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 17:17.39 | candidat | hello |
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| 17:23.26 | nickgaw | Hi, I am building a chroot of stable to make a small live rescue disc for my own personal use using bootcd Is a boot loader like grub-pc required if I might want to rescue or fix my existing boot loader and can I install it into a chroot along with a kernel successfully? |
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| 17:23.55 | greycat | You don't need a boot loader inside the chroot. |
| 17:24.13 | nickgaw | ok so can I install a kernel then? |
| 17:24.17 | greycat | (Unless it's more than just a chroot, and you actually want to be able to boot it...) |
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| 17:24.49 | nickgaw | I am making this for rescue purposes so would grub-pc work on the live disc? |
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| 17:26.15 | greycat | Oh, you're *not* making a chroot. You're *using* a chroot to make a new installation? |
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| 17:28.33 | nickgaw | well yes but this is going to be turned into a rescue CD or DVD using bootcd so I guess yes and no. |
| 17:29.24 | greycat | !custom d-i |
| 17:29.24 | dpkg | To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD . See also <blend>. |
| 17:29.29 | greycat | That might be a starting point. |
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| 17:31.31 | candidat | hi, i need to troubleshoot my bind server and apache server it was working before but i edited some files and then it went wrong |
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| 17:32.04 | candidat | #httpd channel sent me here because the script is not supported |
| 17:32.58 | greycat | Which version of Debian, and what's the problem? |
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| 17:34.12 | nickgaw | Not for debian-installation but for rescuing purposes. I am totally blind and want a talking console debian based system that comes up talking but with tools for copying and moving files from ext4 drives and yes other discs exists but most of them don't automatically come up talking so I thought building a custom chroot and building my own live disc might be the best bet or is there another method that is better? |
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| 17:36.37 | candidat | debian 8.7.1 gnome . the problem is that i want to setup a domain locally : test.local but then i tried to put virtualhost with real domain name and it didnt work and now i dont know what is wrong... because i modified config files in apache2 and files in bind configuring files |
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| 17:37.01 | greycat | What's the hostname you're trying to set up? |
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| 17:37.10 | candidat | www.fairelebonchoix.fr |
| 17:37.24 | greycat | www.fairelebonchoix.fr is an alias for fairelebonchoix.fr. |
| 17:37.24 | greycat | fairelebonchoix.fr has address 176.31.226.151 |
| 17:37.28 | greycat | Is that correct? |
| 17:37.28 | candidat | it s hosted at ex2.com hosting dns |
| 17:37.36 | candidat | yeah |
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| 17:38.00 | greycat | OK, then DNS seems fine. What problem are you having when you try to open the page in a browser> |
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| 17:38.23 | greycat | (I get an "Account Suspended" page) |
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| 17:39.17 | greycat | (which to be quite honest does NOT sound like something you would see if DNS is correctly pointing to your Debian host) |
| 17:39.58 | candidat | yeah because i havent paid ... but i have a server locally i want this server to host my dns that s why i installed bind... |
| 17:40.19 | greycat | Just installing bind on a local server does NOT magically make other people use your name server to resolve that domain. |
| 17:40.31 | candidat | oOOhh |
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| 17:40.48 | greycat | The people in charge of the .fr top level domain decide this. |
| 17:41.19 | candidat | so who i should ask to get this permission ? |
| 17:41.29 | anonona | hello, anybody here who has used debian and debian based distros for more than 10 years? |
| 17:41.48 | FinalX | pay the domain... |
| 17:41.55 | greycat | candidat: around here they're usually called "domain registrars". Not sure how .fr works. |
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| 17:42.25 | jhutchins_wk | candidat: Whoever you registered the domain with would control which servers it was on. |
| 17:42.28 | teraflops | anonona: are making a poll? |
| 17:42.32 | teraflops | you* |
| 17:42.37 | candidat | oh i see what you mean... and then you put your own dns server ip to your registrar for your www.domain.fr |
| 17:42.41 | anonona | teraflops: no. |
| 17:42.45 | jhutchins_wk | candidat: Sometimes they will let you edit your own addresses for their DNS. |
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| 17:43.18 | anonona | what is debian's update policy? |
| 17:43.20 | jhutchins_wk | candidat: Usually you use their DNS and enter your server's external address. |
| 17:43.47 | candidat | FinalX no money :-( that s why i m setting up my own server on this fast connection that i have at home... |
| 17:43.51 | anonona | do some updates get held back for the sake of stability, like those in Mint? |
| 17:44.11 | teraflops | candidat: selfhosting has many advantages too |
| 17:44.16 | greycat | There is no way to get control of a domain name without paying someone, unless you have "connections" to someone who will pay for you. |
| 17:44.30 | greycat | !slushy |
| 17:44.31 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
| 17:44.34 | anonona | I'm just curious. why different distros have different policies? |
| 17:44.42 | greycat | Yes, they do. |
| 17:44.52 | greycat | ... oh, sorry, didn't see the word "why" the first time. |
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| 17:45.21 | candidat | jhutchins OOOhh i understand. i put my ISP DNS servers in bind has forwarders |
| 17:45.28 | jhutchins_wk | anonona: That's one of the things that makes them different. |
| 17:45.33 | candidat | not my registrar |
| 17:45.50 | jhutchins_wk | anonona: Some try to have the absolute latest packages, even if they're broken. |
| 17:45.57 | anonona | jhutchins_wk: is debian too different from ubuntu and mint? |
| 17:46.04 | nickgaw | Where is the alsa sound settings stored like the mixer volume controls so I can back them up? |
| 17:46.05 | jhutchins_wk | anonona: Debian tries to make sure everything works nicely together and stays that way. |
| 17:46.55 | anonona | jhutchins_wk: does debian emphasize more on stability as compared to security? |
| 17:47.14 | greycat | Both. |
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| 17:47.27 | nubenstein | I have a question about installation process? |
| 17:47.37 | jhutchins_wk | anonona: I think they do a pretty good job of both. Security updates get applied as patches, so what appears to be an older package version probably has current security patches. |
| 17:47.52 | jhutchins_wk | anonona: You can read the CVEs to be sure. |
| 17:48.05 | anonona | jhutchins_wk: how is mint as compared to debian? would you approve of its update policy? |
| 17:48.13 | greycat | You'd have to ask the mint people about mint. |
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| 17:48.19 | jhutchins_wk | anonona: I don't know, I've never run mint. |
| 17:48.54 | nubenstein | during installation it was stuck at "downloading 8 of 13 files" during step "to choose and install software" |
| 17:48.57 | teraflops | nickgaw: alsactl store/restore |
| 17:48.58 | greycat | Debian's focuses are stability, security, flexibility, choice, freedom. It is not strong on having every shiny new thing in a timely manner. |
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| 17:49.52 | teraflops | nickgaw: also alsa-{store,restore}.service |
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| 17:50.18 | anonona | is debian suitable for windows users? |
| 17:50.32 | greycat | I have no idea how to interpret that question. |
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| 17:51.31 | anonona | I meant those who don't have technical knowledge of OS. Those want the OS just to run and get the things done. |
| 17:51.47 | anonona | those who primarily rely on gui. |
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| 17:52.18 | anonona | don't want to be bothered by the technicalities of the OS and cli. |
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| 17:52.32 | greycat | Is someone else doing the installation and maintenance on the system? |
| 17:52.35 | jhutchins_wk | anonona: Probably better to stick with windows or mac then. |
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| 17:53.06 | anonona | jhutchins_wk: don't want to use windows. |
| 17:53.13 | greycat | Who doesn't? |
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| 17:54.04 | anonona | I don't want to use windows. |
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| 17:54.27 | teraflops | also most of the time people does not need windows |
| 17:55.09 | greycat | If you're asking for an OS for yourself, that you intend to install, maintain, and back up regularly, as opposed to an OS that you (a unix expert) want to stick on a computer for *someone else*.... |
| 17:55.12 | mtn | anonona: once debian is installed, it is as easy to use as any other distro |
| 17:55.12 | jhutchins_wk | anonona: Pretty much every distribution of Linux assumes that you are willing to learn some things about how the system works in order to have more control over what it does and how. (That or you have technical staff to take care of it for you.) |
| 17:55.25 | mtn | anonona: or os, for that matter |
| 17:55.52 | anonona | ok |
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| 17:56.25 | jhutchins_wk | I'm comfortable knowing as little about the Windows I uses these days because I mostly just use a browser and terminal, and somebody else maintains it. |
| 17:56.53 | teraflops | mtn: yeah I agree, I also noticed that once you set up the machine for the target user, they annoy you way less than they did when using windows |
| 17:56.53 | alexusono | I think you'll find that unless the users are students, you'll have trouble pushing Linux on the desktop to non-technical users |
| 17:56.55 | jhutchins_wk | If I were using it as a full-time tool like I used to, I'd know how the guts worked (like I used to). |
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| 17:57.34 | nickgaw | Where are the settings for asamixer stored? |
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| 17:58.03 | jhutchins_wk | teraflops: Yeah, many of use have experienced the "set it and forget it" experience for users we support. |
| 17:58.26 | jhutchins_wk | (So much so that I tend to neglect upgrades...) |
| 17:58.28 | anonona | ok. I think, debian should present itself as a more user friendly distro. Especially for children and students. |
| 17:58.42 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: Have you checked the alsa manpages? |
| 17:58.47 | greycat | If you're the person installing and maintaining and backing up the Debian system, you are really going to need *some* rudimentary understanding of unix commands and how to use a text editor. |
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| 17:59.32 | anonona | ok |
| 17:59.36 | jhutchins_wk | anonona: I don't want Debian (or linux for that matter) to present itself as an OS for the "least common denominator" user. It should be for someone who is interested in learning. |
| 17:59.50 | anonona | ok |
| 17:59.59 | nickgaw | I will have a look which one should I start out with reading |
| 18:00.31 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: Probably man alsa, although I doubt that has that specific info. |
| 18:00.55 | greycat | I believe Ubuntu markets itself as being "for idiots", so if that's something you find appealing.... |
| 18:01.53 | candidat | oh good :-) hosting at home is nice IF you have the skills to do it... i have to understand it... |
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| 18:02.04 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: Sorry, I'd check the list but it looks like my Windows Virtualbox broke when I upgraded it. |
| 18:02.17 | greycat | Hosting at home is fine until you have too many hits for your connection to handle. |
| 18:02.23 | BluesKaj_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.29 | candidat | i have a blazing fast optic fiber 1000 mbits download and 200mbits upload |
| 18:02.42 | candidat | i m an idiot :-) |
| 18:02.52 | greycat | How do people with no money get "blazing fast 1000 mbits download and 200mbits upload" :( :( :( |
| 18:03.28 | anonona | ok. will try debian and see. bye.. |
| 18:03.29 | greycat | has to pay money for WAY less than that. |
| 18:03.31 | BluesKaj_ | piggyback maybe |
| 18:03.55 | candidat | greycat because they emailed the mayor of the city and ask him directly saying "we are poor low speed ADSL suscribers...so many of us are waiting for optic fiber" |
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| 18:04.08 | candidat | i pay 25⬠a month for it |
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| 18:04.42 | greycat | tries to imagine that happening in his home city and falls over laughing |
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| 18:05.51 | candidat | greycat oh they will not care for their citizen ?? |
| 18:06.15 | BluesKaj_ | my neighbour had the fastest cable internet available here, 80Mbs or some such , but he didn't pw protect his wifi ...half the kids on our street were piggybacking on his service |
| 18:07.47 | BluesKaj_ | til the old bastard (me) warned him :-) |
| 18:07.55 | candidat | lol |
| 18:08.03 | jhutchins_wk | candidat: In the US it's more about who can make money from it. |
| 18:08.30 | jhutchins_wk | candidat: profits=campaign donations=laws. |
| 18:08.34 | nickgaw | I found it in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state |
| 18:08.48 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: Thanks! Now we all know! |
| 18:09.30 | candidat | jhutchins the us is not a man friendly environment... that s my french point of view |
| 18:09.38 | candidat | but hey that s still a great country |
| 18:09.56 | jhutchins_wk | candidat: It definitely has it's good points. |
| 18:10.15 | jhutchins_wk | candidat: Some states even have laws forbidding "municipal internet". |
| 18:10.30 | candidat | jhutchins really ?? |
| 18:11.11 | jhutchins_wk | candidat: There is a general distrust that if the government does something, it will be slow and difficult and inefficient. |
| 18:11.57 | jhutchins_wk | candidat: We also have a few cities in other states that grew impatient with the commercial providers and did it themselves. |
| 18:12.04 | greycat | (This might be getting a bit far off topic now... consider moving it to #debian-offtopic) |
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| 18:12.17 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Thanks for the reminder. |
| 18:12.25 | candidat | ok greycat |
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| 18:13.21 | nickgaw | Is there a firmware-linux-non-free package or what is the quickest method for copying all firmware from my existing system into this chroot? |
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| 18:13.42 | greycat | There are several firmware packages, some of which are non-free. |
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| 18:14.07 | greycat | Maybe start with dpkg -l '*firmware*' | grep ^.i |
| 18:14.20 | nickgaw | I added the contrib and non-free sections to the sources.list as I always do so what is the best way to find out what firmware to install into this chroot? |
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| 18:14.46 | greycat | Again, if it were really a chroot, you WOULDN'T. |
| 18:14.46 | somiaj | nickgaw: any reason you need the firmware in the chroot? Shouldn't you have access to the drivers in the main system which already hvae the firmware loaded? |
| 18:15.07 | greycat | He's not actually making a chroot. Per previous discussion, he's making his own custom rescue/live CD. |
| 18:15.26 | greycat | For some reason he keeps calling it a chroot. |
| 18:16.02 | nickgaw | This chroot is going to be used as a rescue disc so I want the firmware for my wireless and wired network cards installed into it so when I boot this live disc all firmware is on the disc. |
| 18:16.03 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Perhaps he is pre-building the image in a chroot. |
| 18:16.39 | nickgaw | ok a live disc then a chroot. |
| 18:17.06 | greycat | And I already triggered !custom d-i |
| 18:17.27 | nickgaw | I will have another look at that. |
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| 18:17.49 | nickgaw | Can you manually install packages into that image like what i need? |
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| 18:19.31 | nickgaw | the Debian Installer is not a full rescue system is the proper word a live disc rather then a chroot even when I am building it inside a chroot? |
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| 18:19.49 | greycat | I couldn't find a "making your own custom Debian Live" factoid. |
| 18:20.17 | greycat | Most people who want a rescue system (CD) just download one of the many dozens of existing ones. |
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| 18:21.36 | [ill]will | anyone know a workaround for the installer trying to find a cdrom when installing from a usb, tried mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /cdrom , and tried pulling the usb and reinserting |
| 18:21.40 | GNU\colossus | just use grml (Debian-based) or sysresccd (Gentoo-based) |
| 18:22.04 | GNU\colossus | [ill]will, you should not need a "workaround" |
| 18:22.06 | somiaj | the debian live documentation (though a bit dated and hard to read through) gives instructions on how to build a custom live image from debian. In theory this works, in practice I haven't seen anyone actually do it. |
| 18:22.20 | GNU\colossus | the installer is supposed to find the correct block device automatically |
| 18:22.31 | [ill]will | yea its failing |
| 18:22.35 | somiaj | [ill]will: how are you making the installer image, are you using unetbootin or something like that? |
| 18:22.48 | [ill]will | i used win32imager |
| 18:23.11 | [ill]will | i tried rufus too |
| 18:23.34 | GNU\colossus | do you have a GNU/Linux-powered machine available for preparing the medium? |
| 18:23.42 | somiaj | rufus would cause such problems, win32diskimager should'nt cause such problems. |
| 18:24.02 | somiaj | could it be the image you have now was made by rufus and that is where this problem is comming from? |
| 18:24.27 | [ill]will | i used the iso i dled for both |
| 18:24.33 | [ill]will | 2 different usbs |
| 18:25.00 | somiaj | you don't have both usb in the machine when booting? |
| 18:25.11 | [ill]will | nope |
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| 18:25.32 | BluesKaj_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.41 | [ill]will | the machine has a dvdrom,and 2 hard drives , one with win7 and the other is a backup drive |
| 18:26.39 | greycat | It had better be a DVD writer and not just a DVD-ROM, if you're writing to a DVD. |
| 18:27.02 | [ill]will | no im installing from usb |
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| 18:29.40 | BluesKaj_ | ------------------- |
| 18:29.59 | BluesKaj_ | oops |
| 18:31.03 | nickgaw | I am downloading the firmware for stable in the zip fileshould installing what I need from there into my live disc work before I build it? |
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| 18:32.44 | nickgaw | One unrelated issue How do I stop cron.hourly from always emailing me with success messages? |
| 18:33.02 | greycat | Make the jobs not produce output. |
| 18:33.16 | greycat | Cron emails you all output (stdout + stderr) from its jobs. |
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| 18:34.20 | `Kevin | ^ x2, do not go the route of disabling all cron mails, reduce the output of things which are overly verbose if you do not need the information |
| 18:35.02 | greycat | >/dev/null is often safe, but you should probably leave stderr alone, so you get errors if they happen. |
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| 18:35.35 | Scungielli | hey hey |
| 18:35.48 | Scungielli | is AntiX part of the Debian family? |
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| 18:36.14 | somiaj | !antix |
| 18:36.14 | dpkg | antiX is a live CD distribution based on <MEPIS>. It is not supported in #debian. http://antix.mepis.org/ #mepis on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
| 18:36.26 | somiaj | Scungielli: you need to ask their support, based on debian is not debian. |
| 18:36.47 | candidat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.54 | Scungielli | oh ok, I don't need support. Was just wondering how it all fits together |
| 18:37.14 | Scungielli | trying to decide what OS for my old netbook. Either puppy or antiX. can't choose |
| 18:37.17 | jhutchins_wk | [ill]will: There is an image made for devices that don't boot from DVD that loads the DVD drivers and then looks for the disk. Perhaps you grabbed that instead of the regular installer? |
| 18:37.52 | greycat | candidat: It accepts a connection on port 80, but then gives "502 Connection refused" when I request HEAD / HTTP/1.1 \n Host: 90.3.50.50 |
| 18:37.56 | jhutchins_wk | [ill]will: You should also check the checksum of the file you downloaded, and verify the write to the USB. |
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| 18:38.05 | somiaj | Scungielli: there isn't some unified place that orginizes, debian is mostly open so people can take and use what ever they want from debian, but debian has no control over this. |
| 18:38.07 | [ill]will | will check |
| 18:38.26 | somiaj | Scungielli: then you should go to support for those places, and see what they offer. We would recomened you use debian here. |
| 18:39.46 | greycat | The only neutral ground for "which Linux should I use for my ___ hardware on which I want to use ___ and ___ and ___" is ##linux |
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| 18:40.06 | jhutchins_wk | There have been a couple of projects to try to develop and maintain a current version of Linux meant for older hardware, rather than people using older, insecure versions, but they've all died out afik. |
| 18:40.32 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: how old of hardware? like actual 486 machines? |
| 18:41.02 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: Yeah, or old Pentiums, or just older, low-spec machines. |
| 18:41.12 | greycat | stretch has lost support for a whole crapload of medium-old video chipsets, based on recent debian-user threads. |
| 18:41.12 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: Different projects, different targets. |
| 18:41.35 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Yeah, I think that's Xorg that's dropped them. |
| 18:41.41 | candidat | ok greycat |
| 18:41.44 | candidat | ty |
| 18:41.46 | greycat | I don't quite grasp the technical details. |
| 18:41.59 | greycat | Something about refactoring the Linux drivers. |
| 18:42.03 | somiaj | fully dropped support, I know fglrx is gone, but radeon should work for those cards. |
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| 18:42.26 | somiaj | seems to be a strong push to not support cards that don't have a modesetting driver. |
| 18:42.44 | greycat | e.g. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/04/msg00282.html |
| 18:43.47 | somiaj | yea, the is what that mail ended with, "it is about old gfx hardware for which drivers have not been adapted to the KMS model" |
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| 18:46.24 | somiaj | wonder how many are still running ppc hardware, it isn't being dropped in stretch, but it will be unofficial support, so limited security support. |
| 18:46.57 | somiaj | s/dropped/fully dropped/ |
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| 18:47.30 | greycat | And each release before stretch has also dropped *some* hardware support. We see it here all the time. |
| 18:47.35 | GNU\colossus | even wheezy was slow as molasses on my old PowerMac G5 |
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| 18:47.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | dropped from kernel side or from xorg side |
| 18:47.45 | greycat | "Why doesn't my card from 1998 work?!?!?" |
| 18:48.20 | somiaj | the only card I still have from 1998 is my sblive, I really hope that card doens't die.... |
| 18:48.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | 1998 was a nice year! And graphics cards didn't need their own power plant |
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| 18:52.49 | nickgaw | What zip tool is used to package up firmware as the normal unzip gives me errors is there another tool that the debian firmware team uses besides unzip to zip up files? |
| 18:53.13 | somiaj | linux uses tar as the default archiver |
| 18:53.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | lastlog Pr0 |
| 18:53.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | meh |
| 18:53.32 | somiaj | so most likely you get a .tar or a .tar.gz or .tar.bz2 (an archive, then compressed) |
| 18:53.40 | somiaj | nickgaw: ^^ |
| 18:53.40 | nickgaw | I am downloading the firmware.tar.gz archive. |
| 18:53.58 | somiaj | that isn't a .zip file, that is a tar file, use tar. Modern tar is smart enough to detect it is .gz compressed when extracting |
| 18:54.02 | greycat | tar xzf, typically. |
| 18:54.27 | nickgaw | there is also a zip version is tar.gz better compression then zip? |
| 18:54.30 | greycat | On a non-GNU system, gzip -dc foo.tar.gz | tar xf - |
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| 18:54.51 | greycat | Why are you downloading firmware that is not in a Debian package? |
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| 18:55.16 | koollman | nickgaw: zip is very rarely used in linux. it's not practical |
| 18:55.20 | nickgaw | How do I find the firmware for my hardware for building the live discs there are lots of debs in that tar.gz file? |
| 18:55.23 | greycat | (Especially if you don't understand the difference between .zip and .tar.gz) |
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| 18:55.54 | koollman | nickgaw: read the accompanying documentation ? |
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| 18:56.03 | nickgaw | I understand the differences I just like zip files but get your points about .tar.gz as I compile many things from source so use it all of the time. |
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| 18:59.08 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: THere are some utility wrappers that will use whatever program a compressed file requires to unpack it. |
| 18:59.22 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: I've seen zip used a lot, and zip7. |
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| 18:59.36 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: Very handy if exchanging files with Windows users. |
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| 19:01.13 | nickgaw | Is just installing network-manager as it does install wireless tools going to support AES encryption if non-free and contrib are in the live disc's sources.list? |
| 19:02.21 | spacebug^ | 1/kj #linageos |
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| 19:05.40 | somiaj | nickgaw: you shouldn't need non-free utilities for wifi, just non-free firmware, and no network-manager won't install drivers/firmware for the card, just the tools to configure it. |
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| 19:07.02 | nickgaw | that is what I mean the tools to connect to wifi using encryption will network-manager will it have those abilities to connect to encrypted networks? I can install the firmware for my wifi which is non-free so how do I find out what that firmware is on my normal system for installing it into the live disc? |
| 19:07.36 | somiaj | yes, networkmanager will install wpasupplication, but you won't need nonfree stuff for this, just the firmware. |
| 19:07.50 | somiaj | figure out what chipset your network is using, install the appropriate package |
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| 19:08.27 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: Not all cards require firmware. Most, but not all. |
| 19:08.39 | nickgaw | What file on my normal system where wireless works just fine tell me this information or what firmware is loaded? |
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| 19:09.06 | somiaj | nickgaw: you were told this already, dpkg -l | grep firmware, list all the firmware packages you have installed. |
| 19:09.15 | greycat | The fact that you have to ask such questions tells me you are NOT ready to build your own live/rescue CD. |
| 19:09.27 | greycat | Hell, *I* wouldn't want to try it. |
| 19:09.37 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: You can dmesg | grep firmware to see what's getting loaded (or trying to); you can lspci -nn to find your hardware and look it up. |
| 19:09.40 | somiaj | you can also check dmesg | grep firmware to see what firmware was loaded, check /lib/firmware, or even something like lshw (not positive this tells firmware, but it will tell driver) |
| 19:09.52 | nickgaw | I was working on another console so did not get that message. thanks that dpkg information helps I think I found it now. |
| 19:10.19 | somiaj | but I agree with greycat, your time might be better spent using a prebuilt live system instead of building your own. |
| 19:10.34 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: Remember that just because it's installed doesn't mean it's being used. |
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| 19:12.13 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: You might want to check out the documentation at pendrivelinux.com. They have a lot of info on optimizing a live system so it doesn't try to treat the DVD/USB like a hard disk. Their optimizations will help you get a decent speed out of the live system. |
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| 19:13.16 | greycat | I don't think he's ready for optimizing yet. |
| 19:14.07 | somiaj | how is usb3 on speed, is it getting good enough so treating it like an hd is okay? Just courious, I nkow usb2.0 is to slow for that. |
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| 19:15.22 | jhutchins_wk | I did a normal install on a USB2 drive, and it really was unusable. |
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| 19:16.22 | tw | If you have a good controller, you can get appreciable speed. I get ~200MB/sec writes to a evo850 in a usb3 enclosure. I don't know how well you can do with a thumbdrive sized device. |
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| 19:24.59 | jhutchins_wk | tw: Yeah, well, a $5 thumb drive probably won't do that even on a good controller. |
| 19:25.15 | nickgaw | Is there a method on this live disc to configure pam or systemd to automatically login as root on console 1 threw 6? |
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| 19:50.26 | g0zzy | Is there a 'canonical' Debian way of co-existing (dual-booting) with amd64 UEFI systems without reverting to legacy booting? |
| 19:51.03 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: It can be a little tricky to set up, but it's been working with EFI for several years now. |
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| 19:51.50 | somiaj | for a dual boot you can either let the firmware handel this and have a big enough efi partition for multiple .efi files, or just use a single .efi file from grub and let grub manage booting the multiple systems. |
| 19:52.12 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: There's some newer hardware where installing grub fails, and video hardware that's not compatible with grub, but you can usually get it to work. |
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| 19:52.31 | g0zzy | OK. My previous strategy was a policy of minimal invasiveness - i used a nano-USB stick for the boot sector so i didn't need to modify what Windows knows and loves |
| 19:53.07 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: Mine isn't working yet, but I know a lot of people have had little or no trouble. |
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| 19:54.39 | g0zzy | What i'm hoping to do is to get my client off an MS-updates-borked Win 10. I was going to overwrite the recovery partition after backing it up and installing there |
| 19:54.59 | samwan | Hi together. I found a bug in an unofficial build. What would be the correct way to address it? |
| 19:55.02 | g0zzy | (leaving the original Win 10 intact) |
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| 19:56.36 | samwan | it's in the non-free boot media. When using a USB stick, after loading the non-free drivers, the USB stick gets unmounted. Proceeding in graphical install is not possible. In non-graphical install I managed to proceed the installation by opening an additional shell and re-mounting the USB stick. |
| 19:56.46 | jhutchins_wk | samwan: Contact whoever built it. |
| 19:57.14 | samwan | "The images here were put together by the Debian CD team , using debian-cd and other software." |
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| 19:57.22 | samwan | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/stretch_di_rc3/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 19:58.10 | greycat | Ah, stretch installer with non-free firmware? Where does it say to file installation reports in the docs? |
| 19:58.27 | greycat | !d-i |
| 19:58.27 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" is now the "stable" Debian release. See http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>. |
| 19:58.39 | g0zzy | Having said that, i'm now thinking that changing the recovery partition (and its type) might freak Windows out |
| 19:58.59 | greycat | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ links to https://d-i.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s04.html#submit-bug |
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| 19:59.51 | samwan | I honestly failed to find this link by myself. In my defense, I attempted. But I wasn't sure if it is appropriate to submit unofficial-build bugs |
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| 20:03.27 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: You can save an image of the recovery partition. Windows won't care if it's there or not. |
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| 20:03.48 | starstuff | Does Debian 9 'Stretch' work on the Raspberry Pi 3 Model B? |
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| 20:04.16 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: Usually those recovery partitions restore the original Windows disk image, so be aware it will probably wipe your Linux install (and any changes to Windows). |
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| 20:04.28 | somiaj | starstuff: yes, but I think there are some tricks to install/make it bootable. |
| 20:04.52 | somiaj | starstuff: i.e. I think as long as you have armv7 and greater debian will work, it is only the older pi's that you have to use raspbian (the armv6 models I belive) |
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| 20:08.38 | starstuff | does anyone recommend another device that is like the raspberry pi but uses open source hardware or that is easier to put Debian on? |
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| 20:11.22 | jhutchins_wk | starstuff: I think however hard the Pi is, it's going to be the easiest. It has the largest install base (number of people using it), which means more people to document and help. |
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| 20:11.46 | g0zzy | jhutchins_wk: i was thinking there might be some kind of partition integrity-checking at boot time and that Windows wouldn't like it if i'd changed anything |
| 20:12.06 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: Nope, they're not that locked down yet. |
| 20:12.12 | greycat | If you shrink a Windows partition in the Debian installer, the next time you boot into Windows, it'll do a file system check. |
| 20:12.23 | greycat | It knows that the file system is "dirty". |
| 20:12.42 | greycat | (Possibly the installer intentionally marks it as dirty, I don't know.) |
| 20:12.44 | g0zzy | I think i'll leave it exactly the same size and just change the type |
| 20:13.02 | starstuff | jhutchins_wk: Which pi works the best? I just assumed the pi 3 since it is the newest. |
| 20:13.16 | g0zzy | It's 15.2GB - big enough for a trial |
| 20:13.25 | tw | starstuff: you're pretty much stuck with a custom kernel on any ARM device at this time. There's no "automatic peripheral detection" like in x86 land, really. Every baseboard will have its own ICs that you need to configure for the kernel. |
| 20:13.51 | tw | It's not easy or not cheap, your pick. |
| 20:14.57 | somiaj | starstuff: armv7 (the newer pis) run debian just fine, the trick is the install/making it bootable, not that the hardware isn't open. Raspbian just does the work for you and provides images, but those are only based on debian. To run debian pure requires a little more work. |
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| 20:15.11 | starstuff | tw: What do you mean a custom kernel? Don't I just use the Debian installer for the arm achitecture? |
| 20:15.25 | somiaj | starstuff: just make sure it is arm version 7 or better, the older pi's didn't work. You can check the docs on the debian arm port about which arm version is supported |
| 20:15.40 | starstuff | somiaj: I don't want to use Raspbian because I like Debian and also they use dirty packages. |
| 20:15.42 | g0zzy | To change the subject violently - how can i access the optical drive on another box from a optical-disk-less NUC i have? |
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| 20:16.13 | greycat | Usually by NFS mounting the mounted CD. |
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| 20:16.43 | somiaj | starstuff: there is #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net that may have better advise, but my understanding is as I said, you need a paticular version of arm, which I think is 7 or newer |
| 20:16.50 | starstuff | tw: Do you mean "custom" kernel because there is a blob in the firmware required to boot the pi? |
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| 20:17.04 | TheCoffeMaker | !gm |
| 20:17.04 | dpkg | well, gm is Gambia |
| 20:17.10 | TheCoffeMaker | !ga |
| 20:17.10 | dpkg | ga is probably "go ahead" |
| 20:17.13 | somiaj | starstuff: https://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort#Supported_devices |
| 20:17.22 | TheCoffeMaker | buenas a todos |
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| 20:17.39 | g0zzy | greycat: i was thinking of something like that. It's got a video DVD on it |
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| 20:17.52 | TheCoffeMaker | kek wrong channel sorry ... anyway hi to all |
| 20:18.41 | g0zzy | Will VLC know what to do if it just sees 'normal files'? |
| 20:19.02 | greycat | I have no idea. Try it and see? |
| 20:19.17 | g0zzy | OK ;) |
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| 20:19.40 | tw | starstuff: I mean like mapping external components onto their appropriate i2c busses or properly initializing a spi storage controller. |
| 20:20.13 | somiaj | starstuff: I have heard of people running debian on the newer pi's here, though I would ask in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net for exactly which pi is the easiset to get to work. |
| 20:20.15 | tw | starstuff: ask the debian-arm guys, they're probably more familiar with the installer than I am. |
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| 20:20.23 | starstuff | tw: But isn't that all handled by the armfp port? I'm assuming the linux kernel supports arm v7 and v8 |
| 20:20.35 | starstuff | okay I will ask them |
| 20:21.16 | pierrot | Hi, here it's my sources.list file: http://sprunge.us/MUfc. When I do `sudo apt-get update`, I get the following error: http://sprunge.us/WhdH |
| 20:21.16 | starstuff | I meant arm64 port. |
| 20:21.25 | pierrot | How I can solve it? |
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| 20:23.18 | somiaj | pierrot: ppa's are not built for debian, do not use ppa's on debian, those are not supported here and may break your system |
| 20:23.21 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 20:23.22 | dpkg | it has been said that dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 20:23.28 | somiaj | pierrot: ^^ read that |
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| 20:24.06 | somiaj | pierrot: check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ you may have installed an unoffical package that put a file there to include in your sources.list because I don't see the ppa listed. |
| 20:24.28 | pierrot | hmm I haven't changed any file manually |
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| 20:25.12 | somiaj | yea you have installed random .debs from various third party sites, seems some of the .deb's were made for ubuntu not debian. |
| 20:25.25 | somiaj | you have google-chrome, dropbox, skype, etc all hiding in there |
| 20:25.44 | pierrot | yep, that's true |
| 20:25.52 | ddybing | Hi! Not sure if this questions fits here, but I want to run a python script in the SSH window whenever a user logs in by SSH. Any tip on how I can accomplish that? |
| 20:26.01 | somiaj | we don't really suppor those third party packages, so be careful when using them, they can cause damange. |
| 20:26.29 | somiaj | ddybing: take a step back for a second, what is the point of this script, what are you really trying to acomplish. |
| 20:27.14 | jhutchins_wk | The safest way is for the user to call the script. Automatic scripts at login can get very tangled if something goes wron. |
| 20:27.15 | jhutchins_wk | g |
| 20:27.15 | pierrot | somiaj: actually I have all those that you mentioned and google-talkplugin in addition |
| 20:27.44 | ddybing | somiaj: Thank you for your reply. I've created a python script which brings up a text interface control panel to control lighting in the room. |
| 20:28.03 | ddybing | and I want that control panel to start automatically whenever a certain user logs in by SSH |
| 20:28.12 | somiaj | and why do you want it to run automatically anytime someone logs in? You want it to inform you someone has loged into your server? |
| 20:28.47 | somiaj | ddybing: as jhutchins_wk mentioned, automatic things can sometimes go wrong, any reason you can't just run this script manually after you login? |
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| 20:29.40 | jhutchins_wk | speaks from experience, having configured screen to start at login. |
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| 20:30.23 | ddybing | somiaj: I see. Maybe I should just run it automatically. I just thought it might be possible to skip that step :P |
| 20:30.27 | pierrot | somiaj: Thanks |
| 20:30.33 | ddybing | But thank you for both of your replies and input. |
| 20:30.52 | tw | ddybing: if that user is only allowed to login over ssh for that purpose, maybe you want openssh's ForceCommand? |
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| 20:31.29 | ddybing | tw: Thank you. Yes, the only purpose for that user, and the device in general, is to serve as a control panel for the room lighting. Thanks again, I will check that out. |
| 20:31.44 | somiaj | ddybing: since it is a paticular user and you are using bash, ~/.bash_profile might be sufficent, this runs whenever you login(1) with bash, and you can run checks to see if you are connected via ssh or not. But for a single script, I would just run it manually, either use tabl completion or give it a short name to speed things up. |
| 20:31.45 | JDM | hello I just install anope, services, Where is the o-lines from the config, location? |
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| 20:32.45 | somiaj | ddybing: there are various ways to run things on login(1), I didn't nkow about FoceCommand, if ssh supports this might be easier than having a bash script first determine if it is an ssh login or not. |
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| 20:32.54 | ddybing | somiaj: Thanks. I thought about that, but wasn't sure if it applied to SSH connections. Thanks. |
| 20:33.30 | iLogic | hey guys I'm trying to install the certbot package via jessie-backports (I've added the repo and apt-get update) but it fails with this message: Depends: python-certbot (= 0.9.3-1~bpo8+2) but it is not going to be installed |
| 20:34.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | that is also in backports |
| 20:34.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | it doesn't automatically fetch dependencies from backports |
| 20:34.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think it will if you supply -t jessie-backports |
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| 20:37.32 | iLogic | CutMeOwnThroat: i did, googled it before.. i've install the repo, updated and -t jessie-backports |
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| 20:38.08 | iLogic | also tried to reinstall python2.7-minimal as others suggested, to no avail :( |
| 20:38.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can always follow the dependency trail |
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| 20:39.50 | iLogic | CutMeOwnThroat: i tried, first to install python-certbot, which failed the same for python-acme, than I started there but still python-certbot would fail due to low version numbers probably |
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| 20:42.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean ⦠keep adding the thing that isn't being installed to the list of packages |
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| 20:42.38 | TomTomTosch | can you copy the exact command you used, not retype it? |
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| 20:46.24 | iLogic | sudo apt-get install certbot -t jessie-backports |
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| 20:47.12 | iLogic | prior to that i have followed the instructions (and tested correct) in here https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 20:49.55 | r4f_debian | Hi all, I forgot the root password in my debian jessie - usig grub here. I had this same issue in the past and was told to edit some parameter in grub, after typing 'e' or 'c' |
| 20:50.37 | r4f_debian | please, how to fix this issue and having root passwd again ? |
| 20:50.44 | greycat | !ifrp |
| 20:50.44 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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| 20:51.23 | r4f_debian | hi greycat, thanks for help and great support ! |
| 20:54.15 | jhutchins_wk | ,v php |
| 20:54.16 | judd | Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; sid: 1:7.0+52 |
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| 21:02.46 | wongon | How do I modify shortcut keys in debian? |
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| 21:04.43 | tw | wongon: In X11, the window manager handles global accelerator keys. It really depends on which desktop environment you use. |
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| 21:04.56 | wongon | I'm using gnome |
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| 21:06.08 | tw | wongon: possibly https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/keyboard-shortcuts-set.html.en -- I'm not a gnome person. |
| 21:06.44 | buhletxr | wongon you can use: "xmodmap -pk" to list your keys. |
| 21:07.00 | buhletxr | last time i edited keys was creating a km-file in /etc/xrdp |
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| 21:17.47 | fragtastic | having an unfamiliar problem here |
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| 21:18.01 | fragtastic | i'm getting "[sched_delayed] sched: RT throttling activated" in my log |
| 21:18.38 | fragtastic | I noticed it's happening after I transfer over samba to the system |
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| 21:24.49 | psiklops | !czech |
| 21:25.05 | psiklops | Hi. Is there a Czech Channel for Debian ? |
| 21:26.18 | fragtastic | Not sure what to do about this as whatever is happening results in a negative overall system performance impact |
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| 21:31.52 | iLogic | apparently something very wrong is going on with jessie backports |
| 21:32.21 | psiklops | iLogic, how so ? |
| 21:32.35 | acheron-a | oh? |
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| 21:33.46 | iLogic | i've install python acme (apt-cache policy shows v 0.10.2-1~bpo8+1) but when I try to install python-certbot the error says version >= 0.9.3 is need (a dependency i clearly met) |
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| 21:36.27 | psiklops | iLogic, you could use pip to install ? |
| 21:37.36 | psiklops | iLogic, please paste full output of the install method ( https://paste.debian.net ) |
| 21:37.46 | psiklops | + results |
| 21:38.20 | iLogic | i don't think so.. been using the official let's encrypt and debian guides, they're pretty standard |
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| 21:40.50 | iLogic | psiklops: i'm gonna look into other ways of install, it appears backports has some currently unpatched bug as I've seen two other unresolved similar problems in the lets encrypt forum |
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| 21:41.58 | psiklops | iLogic, i use certbot from jessie-backports on Raspberry Pi 2 B+ jessie-lite, and works fine for me |
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| 21:42.11 | iLogic | https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/installing-certbot-on-debian-8-os-package-manager-not-installing-certbot/31194/5 |
| 21:42.22 | iLogic | i've been following this as it's unravelling right now |
| 21:42.36 | iLogic | apparently it's a very recent bug |
| 21:42.54 | iLogic | (came with the latest python-acme) |
| 21:43.22 | iLogic | even certbot-auto doesnt seem to work due to libssl-dev issues |
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| 21:43.58 | iLogic | i'm gonna try the suggested work around and wait until it gets resolved :( |
| 21:44.39 | iLogic | psiklops: btw it seems that updating it might bork yours so heads up |
| 21:44.51 | psiklops | iLogic, oh, thats really recent :-) |
| 21:45.02 | psiklops | iLogic, tahnx for the update ;-) |
| 21:45.07 | psiklops | thanx |
| 21:45.21 | r4f_debian | hi all, I had tremendous difficulty on trying to fix my issue here, for i forgot root password and was told by 'dpkg' bot to edit grub menu. |
| 21:45.30 | iLogic | np i'm gonna keep following this |
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| 21:46.01 | r4f_debian | I was told to add line 'init=bin/sh' to the end of it (to the end of script in the grub menu command line ? |
| 21:47.36 | r4f_debian | the 2º procedure was too difficult to be understood: ' fsck your root file system'... where should I use fsck, if I had to make changes in the grub menu command line ? so, if was the case to do it in the grub menu command line, why it didn't work ? |
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| 21:48.53 | Plushteddy | Hey |
| 21:49.02 | Plushteddy | I run into a little issue inside a QEMU instance |
| 21:49.10 | Plushteddy | I'll post a log using a paste |
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| 21:50.29 | Plushteddy | https://paste.debian.net/plain/929527 |
| 21:50.49 | Plushteddy | The CPU model is set to qemu64, kvm and intel-iommu enabled |
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| 21:51.06 | starstuff | when will kernel 4.10 get into stretch? |
| 21:51.17 | Plushteddy | strass: It won't |
| 21:51.25 | Plushteddy | starstuff: ^ |
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| 21:52.01 | somiaj | starstuff: it won't |
| 21:52.05 | starstuff | I thought I read an email saying stretch release was being pushed back for 4.10? |
| 21:52.09 | Plushteddy | starstuff: 4.9 will be the final kernel for Stretch, it was choosen because 4.9 is a LTS kernel while 4.10 is not |
| 21:52.16 | somiaj | starstuff: it may be provided for stretch via stretch-backports, but this won't happen until after the release. |
| 21:52.31 | starstuff | hm okay |
| 21:52.46 | somiaj | starstuff: that email is outdated, at the time 4.10 was the best guess what the next lts kernel would be, turned out 4.9 became the lts kernel, so that is what stretch is using. |
| 21:53.03 | iLogic | psiklops: manually installing python-acme 0.9.3 and apt-mark hold it did the trick :) |
| 21:53.08 | starstuff | nouveau driver in 4.9 is supporting the nvidia gtx 1070? |
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| 22:00.17 | liplit | "ext4magic" shows a list of all deleted files. for security, how can I wipe those names to avoid "ext4magic" or other software read them. thank you |
| 22:00.19 | PUPPY | hey kiddos |
| 22:00.30 | psiklops | iLogic, Kewl ! |
| 22:00.35 | PUPPY | hey kiddos |
| 22:00.42 | xormor | supertux2 is a nice game - it can be installed with "sudo aptitude install -t jessie-backports supertux". |
| 22:00.56 | PUPPY | so i wanna install debian,, my dudes,, but the website is confusing me |
| 22:01.05 | PUPPY | like i have a USB?? it's like 4gb |
| 22:01.38 | psiklops | iLogic, you seen this site: https://gethttpsforfree.com/ aka https://github.com/diafygi/gethttpsforfree ? |
| 22:01.45 | g0zzy | Use net install. You can pull down the packages later |
| 22:01.49 | somiaj | liplit: seems it is using the journal to get this info, you could just not use a journal. |
| 22:01.55 | g0zzy | (after installing a base system) |
| 22:02.10 | PUPPY | where is the net install? |
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| 22:02.26 | iLogic | psiklops: will check it, but i'm trying to use the certificate with dovecot too, does it apply? |
| 22:02.26 | somiaj | !netinstall |
| 22:02.27 | dpkg | netinst is, like, a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 22:02.31 | PUPPY | i'm extremely new to linux; i have only used linux mint and manjaro |
| 22:02.50 | g0zzy | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 22:02.50 | JDM | hello I just install anope, services, Where is the o-lines from the config, location? |
| 22:03.00 | PUPPY | oh DOPE it just downloaded |
| 22:03.05 | PUPPY | thanks my man |
| 22:03.35 | g0zzy | (other architectures available) |
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| 22:04.38 | liplit | somiaj: I don't know what magic "ext4magic" does, but it list all deleted filenames. should I clean the journal? |
| 22:05.16 | psiklops | iLogic, it should. This guy can do it: https://kofler.info/lets-encrypt-zertifikate-fuer-web-und-mail-unter-ubuntu-16-04/ it's in German though/translate the page maybe :-) |
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| 22:06.47 | acheron-a | <<-- can't wait till Debian 9 is done ;) |
| 22:07.12 | psiklops | iLogic, and this one too: https://blog.tausys.de/2016/07/13/letsencrypt-zertifikate-fuer-dovecot-und-postfix/ also German |
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| 22:07.20 | r4f_debian | Please, I was told to add line 'init=bin/sh' to the end of it (to the end of script in the grub menu command line ? |
| 22:08.03 | r4f_debian | the 2º procedure was too difficult to be understood: ' fsck your root file system'... where should I use fsck, if I had to make changes in the grub menu command line ? so, if was the case to do it in the grub menu command line, why it didn't work ? |
| 22:08.05 | davascript | i compile all my code with --funroll-sec-loopz just to be extra sure |
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| 22:09.07 | somiaj | liplit: in general you don't want to do this, the journal is useful if your machine crashes and you want to recover the filesystem. |
| 22:09.34 | somiaj | liplit: http://www.linuxtopia.org/HowToGuides/ext3JournalingFilesystem.html |
| 22:09.36 | psiklops | r4f_debian, https://paste.debian.net/929532/ |
| 22:10.14 | somiaj | liplit: that might help, but journal filesystems are part of the advantage of ext3 or ext4 over ext2, the journal keeps a log of how the file system inodes change, which of course allows programs like ext4magic to look over the journal and see the changes, and then provided the data wasn't overwritten recover stuff. |
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| 22:10.38 | somiaj | liplit: note you maybe able to make it so non-root users can't read the journal and ext4magic may not work unless you have root premissions -- unsure if this is possible or the details |
| 22:10.42 | liplit | somiaj: I deleted the "/var/log/journal" files, but "ext4magic" still listing ALL deleted files. |
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| 22:11.35 | somiaj | I don't think /var/log/journal is the filesystem journal |
| 22:11.45 | somiaj | these aren't logs, these are part of the filesystem. |
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| 22:12.25 | somiaj | I'm not sure on the details. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/109295/how-to-clean-journals-in-ext3-ext4-filesystem might help |
| 22:14.16 | iLogic | psiklops: very cool, thanks for the tips!! |
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| 22:17.53 | ArchDebian | "ext4magic" shows a list of all deleted files. For security, how can I Wipe those names to avoid "ext4magic" or other software list deleted filenames? thank you. |
| 22:18.24 | nickgaw | Hi, My live disc works fine the only thing that does not start as early as possible is espeakup how can I change it to start as early as possible and have my sound modules and alsa start up as early as possible rather after most other tasks? |
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| 22:21.50 | somiaj | ArchDebian: wasn't I just answering this question, either disable or delete the ext4 journal. |
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| 22:23.59 | ArchDebian | somiaj: yes, this is the correct way, not I'm trying find the security way to clean the filesystem Journal. |
| 22:24.39 | r4f_debian | pkiklogs, thanks for help and great support provided ! |
| 22:24.56 | r4f_debian | now It's more clear for me, and I think it will be possible to fix this issue |
| 22:25.02 | r4f_debian | really thanks !! |
| 22:25.05 | somiaj | unsure here, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/109295/how-to-clean-journals-in-ext3-ext4-filesystem I linked that, but unsure if it has what you want |
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| 22:26.31 | somiaj | ArchDebian: you could use tune2fs to remove the journal, fsck the filesystem, then add a journal back to it, it should create a new clean journal. I don't nkow enough about journaling on ext4 to say what is the best way to deal with this. |
| 22:26.43 | somiaj | most prefer the journal as it helps if your system crashes and you need to recover a filesystem. |
| 22:28.14 | ArchDebian | somiaj: thank you, I'll try do that |
| 22:29.22 | r4f_debian | bye all ! |
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| 22:36.03 | ArchDebian | somiaj: "sudo journalctl --vacuum-time=1s && sudo journalctl --vacuum-size=1K && sudo systemctl restart systemd-journald && journalctl -u systemd-resolved" doesn't work |
| 22:36.37 | somiaj | ArchDebian: of course it dosen't. And that is not what I suggested |
| 22:36.51 | somiaj | journalctl is for the logs on the system. This is not the ext4 journal, which is something different. |
| 22:37.25 | somiaj | I think you aren't fully understanding what the filesystem journal is, this is part of the filesystem (it isn't a file on the file system) |
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| 22:38.25 | somiaj | https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Disk_Layout#Journal_.28jbd2.29 might help |
| 22:38.58 | nickgaw | Where is a good place to get assistance with bootcd? |
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| 22:39.52 | somiaj | ArchDebian: "The journal inode is typically inode 8. The first 68 bytes of the journal inode are replicated in the ext4 superblock. The journal itself is normal (but hidden) file within the filesystem. The file usually consumes an entire block group, though mke2fs tries to put it in the middle of the disk." |
| 22:40.50 | somiaj | https://askubuntu.com/questions/14850/where-is-the-journal-stored might also help too |
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| 22:46.10 | ArchDebian | somiaj: thank you, I'll work more in this issue |
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| 22:53.37 | wongon | Has anyone else had this issue? On debian, I hold down the left shift key, then press some arrow key, intending to highlight a bunch of text. Instead, the mouse pointer turns into a + sign. No idea why. I checked the shortcut keys in settings and cannot find this key combo. |
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| 22:55.41 | pingfloyd | wongon: in which program? |
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| 22:57.26 | wongon | no limited to any program in particular. |
| 22:58.05 | wongon | but I'm in gnome, using a text editor |
| 22:58.24 | somiaj | which text editor? gedit? |
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| 22:59.24 | pingfloyd | maybe it's an accessibility setting turned on |
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| 23:20.40 | bogo_ | anyone here? |
| 23:20.55 | mtn | never |
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| 23:21.01 | bogo_ | nice |
| 23:21.09 | mtn | 1697 nobodys |
| 23:21.11 | bogo_ | https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-secure-nginx-with-let-s-encrypt-on-debian-8 |
| 23:21.19 | bogo_ | I am trying to do this |
| 23:21.48 | bogo_ | but I am getting an error when I try to do sudo apt-get install certbot -t jessie-backports |
| 23:22.18 | bogo_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 23:22.18 | bogo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.18 | bogo_ | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 23:23.07 | bogo_ | is it missing something now or what? |
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| 23:28.26 | bogo_ | is it a problem with the file? |
| 23:29.05 | mtn | bogo_: can you install python-certbot from backports? |
| 23:29.25 | bogo_ | how do I do that? |
| 23:30.03 | mtn | bogo_: you just pasted a backports install command. same way with the other package name ;) |
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| 23:33.06 | bogo_ | apt-get install python-certbot ? |
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| 23:33.15 | bogo_ | is that what you want? |
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| 23:33.58 | mtn | bogo_: no. look up. you pasted "sudo apt-get install certbot -t jessie-backports" change cerbot to python-cerbot |
| 23:34.31 | dbuduru | bye |
| 23:34.34 | dbuduru | exit |
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| 23:35.21 | bogo_ | E: Unable to locate package python-cerbot |
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| 23:35.37 | mirsone | hi |
| 23:35.49 | mirsone | i am new here |
| 23:35.53 | bazhang | ,v python-certbot |
| 23:35.54 | judd | Package: python-certbot on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.9.3-1~bpo8+2; stretch: 0.10.2-1; sid: 0.11.1-1; experimental: 0.12.0-1 |
| 23:36.02 | bazhang | with a t |
| 23:36.52 | bogo_ | fat fingers lol |
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| 23:37.17 | bogo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.36 | bogo_ | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 23:39.03 | bogo_ | I think backports is in the process of updating but broke it again maybe? |
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| 23:42.55 | bogo_ | OK maybe certbot is broke? |
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| 23:46.30 | bogo_ | https://github.com/certbot/certbot/issues/4550 |
| 23:46.40 | bogo_ | I see I am not the only one having issues |
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| 23:52.14 | bogo_ | OK then |
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| 23:57.04 | p3rror | is it possible to rewrite arpwatch on bash only |
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