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| 00:01.32 | hicks_ | Delf: as in show for just say 5 seconds? |
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| 00:02.17 | hicks_ | if so try: notify-send -t 5000 "This shows for 5 seconds" |
| 00:02.37 | womack | struggling to get xchat set up with tor, tor is installed and I have access to it through the command line but I keep getting proxy traversal failed, any ideas? |
| 00:04.33 | hicks_ | if that's what you meant by the expire option and didn't work for you though, not sure. It worked here when I tried it though. |
| 00:04.36 | hicks_ | although I'm using XFCE, the man page says ubuntu's osd and gnome shell both ignore it |
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| 00:35.16 | Delf | It's ok, I used python script to make use of OSD instead :) |
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| 01:53.04 | OS-28612 | hi all |
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| 01:59.28 | SmokeyD | hey all, I am trying to install python-certbot-nginx from jessie-backports but somehow aptitude complains it is from an unstrusted source |
| 01:59.52 | SmokeyD | but I don't have any other repositories than jessie-backports and the other official debian repos in there |
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| 03:58.08 | dtux | I'm having some trouble installing on my new NUC7i7... it can't find a driver for the onboard Ethernet. Any chance I could use "e1000" in the list? |
| 03:59.11 | mel00010 | whats your ethernet adapter? |
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| 04:01.24 | dtux | mel00010: I don't know exactly... I'm looking around the support site for something more than "10/100/1000" |
| 04:02.38 | mel00010 | As far as I know, e1000 is the name of the gigabit ethernet kernel module for intel adapters |
| 04:04.10 | dtux | mel00010: maybe that would have been selected automatically if this unit wasn't so new? |
| 04:04.19 | mel00010 | IDK |
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| 04:07.12 | qman__ | if it isn't working out of the box, you probably need a newer version of the intel driver than what you have |
| 04:07.30 | mel00010 | I agree |
| 04:07.32 | qman__ | unfortunately that's not a simple fix |
| 04:07.42 | qman__ | you basically have to compile it yourself and build a new package |
| 04:07.54 | mel00010 | What version of debian are you trying to install? |
| 04:08.39 | dtux | i see... try to install 8.7.1 via netinst |
| 04:09.10 | dtux | trying* |
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| 04:10.08 | mel00010 | try the e1000e package from stretch or sid |
| 04:10.12 | mel00010 | Might work |
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| 04:12.52 | dtux | mel00010: ok, i'd like to run sid on this box anyways... im sitting on the installer atm, is there a way to specify that now? or should i just try the e1000e in front of me |
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| 04:14.51 | mel00010 | You can just use the stretch netinst image and then update your sources.list to sid |
| 04:15.05 | mel00010 | IDK though if that will fix the ethernet issue |
| 04:16.11 | dtux | seems worth a shot, i'll let you know how it goes |
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| 04:36.51 | dtux | mel00010: i'm in the partitioner :) it nagged about needing non-free drivers for the wifi, but that's it |
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| 04:37.10 | mel00010 | Cool! |
| 04:37.26 | dtux | good idea, thanks! |
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| 04:42.32 | dtux | new problem... I have 2 drives that I can't tell apart. 1 is a 1TB M2 and the other is a 1TB SSD (both Crucial brand). I want to install on the M2 with /home on the SSD. |
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| 04:43.43 | dtux | oops... my connection dropped out |
| 04:43.57 | rhizome | dtux: dmesg should show model numbers |
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| 04:49.27 | dtux | rhizome: yup, thanks... looks like the SSD is ata1 and the m2 is ata3 |
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| 04:51.35 | dtux | does that mean the SSD is /dev/sda and the M2 /dev/sdb? |
| 04:51.48 | mel00010 | not necessarily |
| 04:52.09 | rhizome | it'll say further along or in /var/log/messages |
| 04:52.16 | rhizome | which device they've been attached to |
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| 04:52.38 | rhizome | or slices. partitions. the sd* thing. |
| 04:52.51 | mel00010 | dmesg |grep ata |
| 04:52.54 | mel00010 | That should do it |
| 04:53.05 | mel00010 | nvm |
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| 05:00.12 | dtux | oh i used grep -i crucial... the first 2 show me ata1 and 3. the second 2 show scsi 0:0:0:0 and 2:0:0:0, but the labels are the same. then with |grep -i sda, i see sd 0:0:0:0. |
| 05:00.57 | rhizome | crucial won't show up for the device assignment. grep ata | grep sd |
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| 05:06.40 | dtux | the closest i can find is a line where the SATA ports differ for ada1 and ada3... |
| 05:06.52 | dtux | all in dmesg, there is no /var/log/messages |
| 05:06.59 | rhizome | are they partitioned already? |
| 05:07.22 | dtux | i dont think so; theyre brand new |
| 05:07.27 | rhizome | try df for fun |
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| 05:07.47 | rhizome | ok, so...nothing installed |
| 05:07.52 | rhizome | don't worry about the sd stuff then |
| 05:08.00 | dtux | right, ok |
| 05:08.21 | rhizome | installer will ask on an ata* basis |
| 05:08.33 | dtux | 3 entries in df, only /dev/sdc1 (the install flash) |
| 05:08.57 | rhizome | right, so you're in a live cd kinda deal |
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| 05:10.09 | dtux | installer does say SCSI1 (sda), SCSI3 (sdb) |
| 05:10.15 | dtux | SCSI == ada ? |
| 05:10.46 | rhizome | ad is IDE/SATA |
| 05:11.37 | mel00010 | cat /proc/scsi/scsi should show you information on the disks |
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| 05:12.12 | dtux | mel00010: no such file |
| 05:12.13 | mel00010 | scsi0 is sda, scsi1 is sdb ... |
| 05:12.17 | mel00010 | nvm |
| 05:13.26 | mel00010 | try ls -l /dev/disk/by-id and then look where the symlinks point |
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| 05:13.56 | mel00010 | do you know the ids of the disks? |
| 05:13.58 | rhizome | they're just going through the installer, we're probably at the limit of necessary disk identification |
| 05:14.29 | dtux | mel00010: beautiful, that's exactly what i needed |
| 05:14.54 | mel00010 | looks like it worked |
| 05:14.55 | dtux | the M2 is indeed sdb |
| 05:15.37 | rhizome | if you need it to be sda, you might be able to futz with order in bios |
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| 05:18.21 | dtux | eh... does it matter? |
| 05:18.36 | rhizome | only aesthetics |
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| 05:19.07 | dtux | ah, ok. not too worried about it atm |
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| 05:32.39 | dtux | on second thought... any concerns RAIDing flash? |
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| 05:33.28 | mel00010 | ? |
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| 05:35.07 | rhizome | you could mirror for safety, but it's up to you |
| 05:35.38 | dtux | that's what i'm thinking |
| 05:36.20 | rhizome | depends on whether you prefer the safety or the diskspace |
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| 05:41.57 | qman__ | in theory, it offers somewhat less protection than RAIDing magnetic disks, as flash burns out with use, and a RAID necessarily writes the same amount to all members |
| 05:42.14 | qman__ | that said, reality can vary from that significantly and I don't think there's sufficient data to say either way yet |
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| 05:47.09 | dtux | how does a worn flash drive behave? corruption or...? |
| 05:47.26 | qman__ | normally, they work fine, some slow down a bit, then pop |
| 05:47.36 | qman__ | either read-only or totally dead |
| 05:47.47 | mel00010 | Are you talking about a flash drive or a ssd |
| 05:48.07 | qman__ | I know some people use strategies of rotating in fresh drives to avoid this problem |
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| 05:57.08 | dtux | ssd and/or m2 |
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| 05:57.36 | dtux | qman__: well, as long as they dont both die at the same time on me :p |
| 05:57.37 | qman__ | it applies to either, the main difference is that SSDs have better monitoring and longer life than regular flash drives |
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| 05:57.56 | qman__ | they do eventually run out of writes and die, though, and die in much the same way |
| 05:58.26 | mel00010 | SSDs are much better than flash drives |
| 05:58.45 | rhizome | not CF |
| 05:59.01 | mel00010 | they have extra space to move data that is running out of read-writes |
| 05:59.23 | qman__ | yes, but that runs out eventually too, and then they pop |
| 05:59.34 | qman__ | like I said, longer life and better monitoring, but they go the same way in the end |
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| 05:59.40 | mel00010 | I've never had that happen to me |
| 06:00.11 | mel00010 | He's not using the SSD in a server environment, so it will probably be fine |
| 06:00.26 | qman__ | it will happen, it's just a matter of when |
| 06:00.35 | qman__ | in typical desktop use it'll take a very long time |
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| 06:00.44 | qman__ | it also varies based on the drives themselves |
| 06:00.53 | mel00010 | To be clear, qman, I understand how SSDs fail |
| 06:01.23 | mel00010 | Just most people won't have a ssd fail on them unless they are using it in a server environment |
| 06:01.35 | mel00010 | Because of the extra reallocation space |
| 06:02.02 | petemc | wat |
| 06:02.22 | qman__ | it will die, the only way you won't experience it is if you toss it before it goes |
| 06:02.47 | qman__ | which I suppose is plausible but most people will reuse it when upgrading their hardware until it dies |
| 06:02.49 | mel00010 | Which is what most people do |
| 06:03.41 | qman__ | SSDs are still relatively expensive and that's not going to change for a while yet, so there is incentive to keep on using them |
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| 06:04.00 | mel00010 | SSD MTBF numbers are comparable to HDDs |
| 06:04.16 | qman__ | MTBF is largely meaningless |
| 06:04.41 | qman__ | it's extrapolated from questionable testing methods |
| 06:04.57 | petemc | it is? |
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| 06:05.11 | mel00010 | It shouldn't matter anyway |
| 06:05.15 | mel00010 | For a laptop |
| 06:05.21 | mel00010 | You should have regular backups |
| 06:05.22 | qman__ | for computer storage, yes |
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| 06:05.42 | petemc | as opposed to what type of storage? |
| 06:05.58 | qman__ | I mean as opposed to mechanical parts in other industries |
| 06:06.13 | petemc | i see |
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| 06:06.58 | mel00010 | Ironically, the SSD in my laptop died two weeks ago |
| 06:07.01 | pragomer | hi. I want to use my synology nas from dolphin. this is my fstab: https://pastebin.com/qqzpFKsA but when clicking in dolphin onto it it says "Only root can mount...." I always have to to "sudo mount -a" in terminal. how to fix this? |
| 06:07.02 | mel00010 | Controller failure |
| 06:07.49 | mel00010 | pragomer: use fuse for mounting |
| 06:08.05 | mel00010 | pragomer: you need to find a nfs fuse module |
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| 06:08.28 | pragomer | I installed nfs-common if you mean that? |
| 06:08.34 | petemc | no |
| 06:08.35 | qman__ | pragomer: change 'nouser' to 'user' |
| 06:08.41 | petemc | add user to fstab |
| 06:08.47 | qman__ | nouser means only root can mount it, user means regular users can mount it |
| 06:08.56 | mel00010 | nvm |
| 06:09.01 | pragomer | oh, ok, wait Ill try |
| 06:09.47 | pragomer | omg. it works. I just copied the line from a forum/tutorial. |
| 06:09.57 | pragomer | thank you. It works now perfect |
| 06:10.47 | qman__ | I'm assuming you're the only person using it, but be aware that it also means regular users can unmount it, too |
| 06:10.52 | qman__ | so in a multiuser environment that can be an issue |
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| 06:11.21 | pragomer | thanks for the hint. but you are right. I am in a single user environment |
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| 06:12.54 | pragomer | 2nd question: on my nas I have folders like /data/Downloads or /data/Documents. Can I "link" these somehow with my default folders (or the other direction).. so that when I save a file to /home/myuser/Downloads it is saved to /data/Downloads ? |
| 06:13.00 | awal1 | I mean understand what you copydo/can do , first |
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| 06:13.15 | pragomer | u are right awal1 :-( |
| 06:13.30 | mel00010 | use ln -s |
| 06:13.36 | mel00010 | read the man page first |
| 06:14.47 | pragomer | whats the direction? do I "ln" /home/user/Downloads to /data/Downloads or different direction? |
| 06:15.03 | mel00010 | the man page explains it |
| 06:15.07 | mel00010 | I forget every time |
| 06:17.54 | pragomer | ok. will check it out |
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| 06:25.22 | pragomer | I got it: it is ln -l ORIGINALFOLDER TARGETFOLDER |
| 06:26.04 | mel00010 | you want ln -s |
| 06:26.11 | mel00010 | makes a symbolic link |
| 06:26.55 | mel00010 | which is what you want |
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| 06:27.27 | mel00010 | If you want this to work over your mount, then you need to use relative paths |
| 06:28.10 | pragomer | sorry I wrote it wrong. I meant ln -s... not ln -l |
| 06:28.24 | mel00010 | k |
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| 06:28.50 | mel00010 | For example, a link using relative paths |
| 06:29.16 | mel00010 | If targetFolder is in a folder above the path of the link] |
| 06:29.48 | mel00010 | ln -s ../targetFolder linkName |
| 06:30.06 | mel00010 | would do the trick |
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| 08:15.46 | dka | I have 2TB GDD, 32GB of RAM, and 20GB SSD. I am reinstalling my partition in order to increase the swap size. is the SSD drive appropriate to store the swap partition ? |
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| 08:17.10 | blackflow | chaosfisch: none, the network stack in the kernel responds. |
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| 08:17.54 | chaosfisch | blackflow: Ah, I guess that's true for all other network related stuff as well, except for actual processes, right? |
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| 08:18.41 | blackflow | chaosfisch: network packets reach userland only if there's a process that opened a socket, or if there's some kind of packet filter userland extension something. |
| 08:19.03 | chaosfisch | blackflow: ok thanks! |
| 08:19.11 | blackflow | dka: do you expect heavy swapping taking place? |
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| 08:19.27 | dka | I am running docker container |
| 08:19.33 | dka | it's a good reason I think |
| 08:19.38 | blackflow | I doubt that |
| 08:19.51 | dka | I don't know what services will run, I can have 1 or 100 services |
| 08:20.18 | blackflow | nowadays, and especially with 32GB of RAM, swapping should be just a helper to page out unused memory to make extra room. Unless you're overselling memory... |
| 08:20.52 | blackflow | dka: you can also use various limits to prevent stupid things |
| 08:21.00 | dka | I know |
| 08:21.14 | dka | reducing vm.swappiness is not something I am willing to do |
| 08:21.23 | blackflow | no, you should increase it |
| 08:21.26 | dka | i rather keep it to 60 the default and increase the swap size, then see later |
| 08:21.45 | blackflow | if you increase it, more pages will be swapped out sooner, making extra room available sooner. |
| 08:22.08 | blackflow | if you decrease it, it'll swap less often, meaning more abruptly and probably in bigger chunks |
| 08:22.56 | blackflow | 60 is okay, tho' personally I keep it at 80 |
| 08:23.41 | blackflow | btw "I don't know what services will run, I can have 1 or 100 services" .... that's just bad. as the sysadmin and host root, you _must_ know what to expect and what the limits are. |
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| 08:24.12 | blackflow | and if you're doing (commercial) hosting for other clients/users, then you set strict limits how much resources each can consume. |
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| 08:30.27 | dka | blackflow , TBH, people says "increase swappiness, decrease swappiness, use swap, use memory, I can't find a common agreement" between the community. I have 32GB and I was using 1GB, with vm.swappiness 60 (default), I was out of swap very fast. reducing the vm.swappiness to 10 divided by 4 the swap usage. Then somebody told me I should icrease the swap. I guess I will stick to default, and alloc a 20GB ssd partition for the swap |
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| 08:37.14 | blackflow | dka: you should stick to default, yes, but first of all you should limit whatever process is causing that |
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| 08:38.12 | blackflow | dka: that's, like, the number one thing to do. with 32GB of RAM there should be no swapping. |
| 08:38.59 | spacebug^ | anyone here that knows which SSD manufacturer and model the "ASUS VivoMini UN45H-xxxx" have? Want to know if that SSD supports TRIM under Debian |
| 08:39.53 | dka | I can't limit the process |
| 08:40.00 | dka | it's jenkins, that use jdk 8 |
| 08:40.06 | dka | apparently there is a memory leak on jdk8 |
| 08:40.16 | dka | And they say use jdk9 or don't use docker |
| 08:40.25 | blackflow | dka: and the "common agreement" about swap is futile, you should understand what swapping is and then the answer will be clear for specific use case. it's basically paging out unused memory pages to disk. The kernel knows when certain pages have been used last and can do so to make more room for active pages in RAM. That's it. |
| 08:41.03 | blackflow | dka: so if you reduce swappiness, it won't do that unless really necessary. if you increase, it'll do that proactively, with former being abrupt changes and later being smooth and in smaller chunks. |
| 08:41.15 | blackflow | you _can_ limit every process, there's cgroups, rlimit and similar... |
| 08:41.56 | blackflow | and if your use case is such that you need gigabytes of swap at 32GB of RAM for _active_ processes, then you need much more actualy physical RAM |
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| 08:44.32 | blackflow | dka: btw, memory leaks are perfectly dealt with higher swappiness. those are pages that have been reserved but never freed, so they become unused. that's the stuff you want paged out, always. and restart the daemon frequently to have the OS retake those pages. |
| 08:45.12 | blackflow | *want paged out, as opposed to active pages that are fighting for physical RAM, you don't want that. |
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| 08:46.24 | dka | ok, I will deal with all that information, thank you |
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| 08:49.06 | blackflow | dka: as an example, I had a similar problem with GitLab. The box says 2GB of RAM is enough for few users, so I put it on a 2GB VM. It always kept reserving more and more RAM toward that 2GB, and I dealt that with giving it 2GB of swap so unused pages ended there. The "normal" situation was 1 - 1.5GB active, 1-1.5 in swap and the rest for file cahces and peaks. That's where higher swappiness helped. I |
| 08:49.13 | blackflow | solved it by just adding 2 more GB of RAM and found that it stops at 2GB, later found out that's what GitLab does, grabs 2GB by default even if most of it is unused. |
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| 09:03.46 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 09:44.41 | rockyh | Hi! |
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| 10:09.42 | blackflow | pcfreak30: see "INTERFACE SELECTION" chapter of the interfaces(5) manual |
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| 10:22.38 | pcfreak30 | blackflow: not seeing it and using search doesnt pick up in man |
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| 10:31.59 | candidat | do you have some knowledge of apache2 on debian ? it doesnt work |
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| 10:33.10 | sephii | hey there, I'm trying to understand how crontab determines the e-mail address e-mails should be sent to. Let's say my user on the server is 'sephii', but I'd like cron e-mails to be sent to 'sephii.foobar@mydomain.com'. Currently e-mails are sent to sephii@mydomain.com |
| 10:33.47 | sephii | I tried setting an alias "sephii: sephii.foobar@mydomain.com" in /etc/aliases (followed by `newaliases`) but it didn't change anything |
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| 10:35.32 | chaosfisch | Is there some way to determine which user/process will receive a packet that is incoming? |
| 10:35.37 | sephii | (and also running `mail -s foo sephii` sends the mail to `sephii@mydomain.com` instead of using the alias) |
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| 10:39.14 | blackflow | pcfreak30: it's at the very top of it. did you run 'man interfaces' ? |
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| 10:39.56 | blackflow | sephii: MAILTO env var in the crontab |
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| 10:41.01 | blackflow | sephii: otherwise it goes to the owner of the crontab |
| 10:41.14 | sephii | blackflow: yes, I could do that, but I'd like to understand why the system tries to send mail to `sephii@mydomain.com` instead of to the local mailbox |
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| 10:41.38 | sephii | and also why the alias in /etc/aliases is ignored |
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| 10:41.53 | blackflow | sephii: if user "sephii" owns the tab, and there's an alias for it, it'll be sent there |
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| 10:42.06 | sephii | (setting MAILTO in the crontab would work for cron, but all the other mails from other programs will fail) |
| 10:42.18 | blackflow | well, we are talking about cron, no? |
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| 10:42.54 | blackflow | do you have an alias for root? does root own the crontab? |
| 10:42.57 | sephii | yes because cron is what I'm facing issues with currently, but it looks like I'll have the same issue with any other "local" mail |
| 10:43.44 | blackflow | sephii: do you have an alias for root? does root own the crontab? |
| 10:43.51 | sephii | blackflow: no it's my user crontab. And yes I have an alias for root "root: sephii.foobar@mydomain.com", but I don't know if it's working or not |
| 10:44.09 | rockyh | in order to create home directories for user authenticated with LDAP, are the options in /usr/share/pam-configs/mkhomedir to be modified or are ok? |
| 10:44.25 | Epakai | man etc-aliases indicates it can only be used for local addresses |
| 10:44.39 | sephii | (I just tried to send a mail to root (`mail -s hello root`), and it got sent to sephii@mydomain.com) |
| 10:44.46 | blackflow | sephii: ok, so not knowing your setup, it works like this. cron sends out mail to the _owner_ of the crontab. so if "sephii" owns the crontab, the mail will be sent to that LOCAL account, unless you have an alias for it sending elsewhere. |
| 10:44.57 | rockyh | here is my file https://pastebin.com/ZWHwJ73a |
| 10:45.00 | blackflow | sephii: that means you have some alias set up or address rewriting. |
| 10:45.17 | blackflow | it doesn't pull out that addr out of thin air :) |
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| 10:47.28 | sephii | blackflow: yeah I guess so, I just can't find it anywhere... here's my postfix main.cf, but there's almost nothing custom in it http://dpaste.com/2EWMMKZ |
| 10:48.45 | sephii | maybe it's because of `myhostname`? |
| 10:48.51 | blackflow | sephii: well those milters definitely aren't there by default |
| 10:50.18 | sephii | blackflow: yeah that's something I had to add for DKIM, let me try to disable them |
| 10:51.19 | blackflow | sephii: pastebin "postconf -n" and /etc/aliases |
| 10:51.54 | sephii | blackflow: /etc/aliases: http://dpaste.com/0ZFR21W |
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| 10:52.39 | sephii | blackflow: postconf -n: http://dpaste.com/1GNQTGA |
| 10:53.04 | blackflow | sephii: what's in /etc/mailname |
| 10:53.10 | sephii | (I just tried disabling the milters and setting myhostname to localhost, that didn't change anything) |
| 10:53.12 | blackflow | sephii: mydomain.com ? |
| 10:53.13 | sephii | blackflow: mydomain.com |
| 10:53.55 | sephii | ohhhh should I set it to something that's in $mydestination so that it uses a local account? |
| 10:54.32 | blackflow | sephii: yeah iirc that rewriting comes from the fact that mydestination is not the same as myhostname |
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| 10:57.21 | sephii | blackflow: I changed /etc/mailname to localhost and it worked... I hope this won't have any side effect |
| 10:57.24 | sephii | blackflow: thanks for the help! |
| 10:58.39 | blackflow | sephii: uh no, I think the right thing to do is to set mydestination to mydomain.com but careful with that, you won't be able to use mydomain.com in virtuals |
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| 10:59.24 | blackflow | sephii: what I do is always use fqdn of the server itself, eg. mx-01.mydomain.com. That's the hostname, the server the destination the origin, all of it, because virtuals cover the @mydomain.com. |
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| 10:59.59 | blackflow | but local mail is to and fro @mx-01.mydomain.com which the server knows to deliver locally. |
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| 11:01.06 | blackflow | and when sent out (eg I alias root to an external address), it's sent from root@mx-01.mydomain.com which is the correct thing. |
| 11:01.16 | sephii | blackflow: adding mydomain.com to mydestination makes postfix think it's responsible for dealing with these e-mails, but I'm using gmail for my @mydomain.com e-mails |
| 11:01.50 | blackflow | sephii: yes, so use full hostname like I just described, and leave @mydomain.com external to it |
| 11:03.48 | blackflow | sephii: in fact all you need to do is set myhostname = somecutename.mydomain.com and remove myorigin and mydestination from being set explicitly as they all default to $myhostname |
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| 11:04.39 | blackflow | (with mydestination adding localhost to the mix as well). That way your MTA is concerned only about delivering mail to its own area of responsibility, which is the server itself, which is the fqdn of somecutename.mydomain.com. |
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| 11:07.43 | sephii | blackflow: ah yes, and then I could also set SPF on somecutename.mydomain.com |
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| 11:07.46 | ubuntley | hi |
| 11:07.52 | ubuntley | What is the "unzoo" command? for extracting files? |
| 11:08.12 | blackflow | sephii: yes if you want it to send out, sure |
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| 11:08.20 | sephii | blackflow: I just tried it and it seems to work just fine. Thanks a lot |
| 11:08.24 | blackflow | sephii: yw |
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| 12:12.34 | evotopid_ | Hi. I have a question about the Debian release cycle: If a package is still in sid and hasn't migrated to stretch yet, does that mean it's actually too late for it now to arrive in stretch? |
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| 12:13.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | "depends" |
| 12:13.20 | dvs | evotopid_, not necessarily. I guess it depends how far apart the versions are |
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| 12:14.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, slushy |
| 12:14.07 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
| 12:14.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | things still have to go into unstable before they can enter stretch |
| 12:16.11 | evotopid_ | But for packages which are not in testing at all (but in unstable) it's too late after the freeze if they aren't essential to make something else work? |
| 12:16.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess so |
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| 12:17.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | what package is that? |
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| 12:18.37 | evotopid_ | Basically python-neovim, python3-neovim and ruby-neovim. |
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| 12:21.14 | evotopid_ | (I just pin them from unstable which as of now also worked fine.) |
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| 12:35.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions python-neovim |
| 12:35.07 | judd | Package: python-neovim on amd64 -- sid: 0.1.13-2 |
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| 12:49.52 | Baker0052 | How can i check what process is preventing my hdds from going to sleep/standby? |
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| 13:31.46 | paul_grozav | Hello, How can I configure my debian instance to log every process that starts and ends? |
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| 13:44.48 | g0zzy | Don't know if there are any fslint users here but the manual doesn't seem to make clear _which_ dup you want to delete ..~? |
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| 14:09.01 | paul_grozav | anyone? :) |
| 14:11.54 | blackflow | paul_grozav: doesn't journald already do that? or did you mean every fork, not just those started by systemd? |
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| 14:12.40 | paul_grozav | blackflow: I was thinking of any process that starts any other process |
| 14:13.55 | paul_grozav | Actually I was thinking that kernel should be aware of this and maybe I could configure it to log the new process exe path and pid |
| 14:14.15 | blackflow | paul_grozav: I don't know, maybe through a watch on /proc ? |
| 14:14.35 | blackflow | paul_grozav: do you need just count of forks in a given period, or actual log for each fork? |
| 14:14.49 | paul_grozav | blackflow: Yes, something like that, I hoped that there was a tool that does that |
| 14:16.27 | paul_grozav | blackflow: My system goes crazy at some points in time. I can't predict when it happens, and I assume that some process is starting and eating a lot of memory. I have clues of the aproximate minute when it happened (from other logs) but I don't see anything weird happening in that time frame |
| 14:16.38 | blackflow | paul_grozav: I don't know, except watching /proc with inotify maybe |
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| 14:20.57 | |DM| | Hi, where are cgroups mounted by default ? |
| 14:21.22 | |DM| | And if I make a cpu cgroup , assign a process to it, and limit its cpushares, does that actually do anything ? |
| 14:21.35 | blackflow | paul_grozav: how often does that happen? |
| 14:21.39 | |DM| | ie are processes not assigned to a cpu cgroup given "default" shares ? |
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| 14:24.54 | gienne | !list |
| 14:24.54 | dpkg | gienne: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 14:27.01 | spacebug^ | can I somehow use NFS with secure transfer and login? Samba? What is most secure? (or have least security bugs) |
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| 14:27.45 | aboulafia_ | hi guys ! |
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| 14:28.46 | aboulafia_ | how to exclude ONLY hidden directories on a tarball ? exclude=".*" (exclude files and directories) |
| 14:29.01 | blackflow | spacebug^: iirc NFSv4 has some kind of encryption, but from what I'd hear it's not to be trusted over public internet, so maybe use VPN or ssh tunnel |
| 14:29.45 | blackflow | aboulafia_: exclude=".*/" ? |
| 14:30.16 | sypher | spacebug^: Neither NFS nor CIFS are considered secure over the public internet. A VPN is your best bet. |
| 14:31.07 | aboulafia_ | blackflow: i'll try, but I can't right now. Thanks |
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| 14:33.03 | paul_grozav | blackflow: Sometimes 2 per day, sometimes 1 per week |
| 14:33.07 | spacebug^ | blackflow, sypher I'm talkign about pure LAN here, but I still want that security. I just read about SSHFS. Could that be something maybe? If it's too hard to set up then scp for easy of use? |
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| 14:37.04 | sypher | spacebug^: Ah. Sure, SSHFS might work, depending on what you want it for. Also, NFSv4, afaik, doesn't offer security services without also setting up Kerberos. So, that's fun. |
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| 14:42.37 | aboulafia_ | bye |
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| 14:46.25 | spacebug^ | thanks sypher |
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| 14:52.53 | disaster | Hi! i try to setup metrics monitoring. I read a lot and it seems the combo collectd, statsd, graphite, graphana is awesome. My problem is i can't find the way to send collectd data in statsd. So i'm asking your help. |
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| 15:09.42 | jolt | disaster: First, statsd is a mess of ugly node.js, so I really recommend you to look into Telegraf to replace both statsd and collectd. ANyway, collectd and statsd should just send their data to graphite right away |
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| 15:11.26 | jolt | (this is telegraf btw: https://github.com/influxdata/telegraf) |
| 15:11.37 | disaster | jolt: ok thank you. I want to do metrics from my webapp too, so even for that statsd is a bad idea? |
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| 15:12.41 | jolt | disaster: and if you want to scale this later on, look into go-carbon/carbonzipper to replace graphite |
| 15:13.05 | jolt | disaster: well, I just think it is a lot of overhead. Telegraf is just one binary that can talk statsd. |
| 15:13.25 | jolt | disaster: you should definitely let your app talk to statsd (or telegraf) which then sends it to graphite/carbon |
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| 15:15.32 | disaster | jolt: ok thank you |
| 15:16.36 | disaster | jolt: so if i understand correctly statsd in "built-in" telegraph |
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| 16:22.43 | jolt | disaster: exactly' |
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| 16:45.49 | nickgaw | Hi, If reportbug saved a bug report and I now have my system setup how do I tell reportbug to report that backup? |
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| 16:50.15 | DJd34d1 | been away from Linux for a while. anybody here that can point me in the right direction to troubleshoot why my .vimrc isn't compatible with this current version? |
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| 16:50.57 | bubbely | can smoeone help me get sound working? Realtek device on an asus x205t |
| 16:51.26 | bubbely | ive installed firmware-realtek, but i dont know what to do after that |
| 16:51.42 | mtn | bubbely: have you tried using pavucontrol to adjust your sound settings? |
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| 16:52.00 | bubbely | no i dont know what that is |
| 16:52.12 | mtn | bubbely: install it and then Check sound levels and devices/profiles in Output and Configuration tabs. |
| 16:52.20 | DJd34d1 | are you double booting bubbely? |
| 16:52.30 | bubbely | k, and no |
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| 16:52.57 | bubbely | ok mtn: in pavucontrol now what? |
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| 16:53.14 | bubbely | no hardware devices listed |
| 16:53.17 | mtn | bubbely: read what I just told you? |
| 16:54.02 | bubbely | mtn: no cards available for configuration |
| 16:54.10 | mtn | bubbely: in both tabs? |
| 16:54.14 | bubbely | ya |
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| 16:54.40 | mtn | bubbely: install inxi and then Please type "inxi -Fxxrz" (without the " marks) in a terminal and paste the results to dpaste.com and give us the link. |
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| 16:55.07 | DJd34d1 | was just about to ask if inxi still worked |
| 16:56.22 | bubbely | http://dpaste.com/3TWSN3Q |
| 16:56.51 | mtn | bubbely: Card Failed to Detect Sound Card! Sound: ALSA v: k4.9.0-1-686-pae |
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| 16:57.08 | bubbely | does that mean i need to instal the k4 driver |
| 16:57.13 | mtn | bubbely: I would go to testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
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| 16:57.39 | teraflops | yw ^ |
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| 16:58.47 | jpastore | hi I did a fresh install of jessie in a vm, and for some reason even though I setup key based auth it's still prompting for a pwd on ssh. I made sure ~/.ssh/authorized_keys is 600, ~/ is 750, and ~/.ssh is 700 |
| 16:58.50 | jpastore | am I missing a step? |
| 16:58.56 | archer93jf | debian 9 question: installing mate environment destroys spacing in menus. what is the problem with 9? |
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| 17:00.07 | jolt | jpastore: Have you looked in /var/log/daemon.log or messages? |
| 17:00.18 | jpastore | jolt: nope I will now thanks |
| 17:01.15 | jolt | jpastore: In a VM my default guess is that the time is messed up though (even if I don't know if that can cause pubkeys not to work) |
| 17:01.27 | archer93jf | debian 9 question: installing mate environment destroys spacing in menus. what is the problem with 9? |
| 17:02.04 | jpastore | jolt: I'll check time. Haven't configed yet. ssh first thing I do. did a tail -f on that log and tried to login no messages flaoted by |
| 17:02.12 | jpastore | I'll check time |
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| 17:02.17 | archer93jf | What is the problem with MATE in Debian 9? |
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| 17:02.37 | jpastore | jolt: date appears to match my local time |
| 17:03.01 | jolt | jpastore: but what did the logs say? It usually complains if there is something wrong with the permissions |
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| 17:03.52 | archer93jf | Is anyone here responding to questions? |
| 17:03.55 | jolt | jpastore: also, make sure the key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys doesn't miss a char. Sometimes lazy copying makes you miss an s in ssh etc |
| 17:04.04 | jolt | archer93jf: If someone know they might reply. |
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| 17:04.32 | archer93jf | Has anyone here installed MATE on Debian 9 using the current compactor ISO? |
| 17:04.34 | jolt | jpastore: in the future, use ssh-copy-id user@host. It will create the dirs, files and set the correct permissions |
| 17:04.37 | jpastore | jolt: cat /var/log/daemon.log |grep ssh yields nothing. to push key I did scp of .pub file |
| 17:04.51 | jpastore | jolt: oh I'll take note of that |
| 17:05.47 | jolt | jpastore: If there is only one entry in authorized_keys, then I guess the md5sum of that and you pubkey should match, so that could be another step. But try with ssh-copy-id just to be sure. (it's a script you can copy to other hosts as well) |
| 17:05.54 | nickgaw | If I have a bug report saved with reportbug and now have my system configured properly how do I tell reportbug to send it? |
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| 17:07.09 | jpastore | jolt: ok ssh-copy-id worked, but I think it copied both keys |
| 17:07.17 | jpastore | jolt: let me clarify |
| 17:07.32 | jolt | jpastore: you can use -i file to just copy a specific one |
| 17:07.49 | jpastore | jolt: I read an article that I should use a unique key per server and created a new key but have my regular that I have been pushing everywhere |
| 17:08.00 | jpastore | oh you know what I mean and beat me to it. ok let me try that |
| 17:09.03 | jpastore | jolt, thank you! |
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| 17:09.28 | jpastore | jolt: can I disable password auth for users so only key based auth works? |
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| 17:10.54 | jolt | jpastore: you sure can, I think it's pretty clearly written in the sshd_config file |
| 17:11.12 | jolt | jpastore: But I don't use that myself, so I can't guide you there |
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| 17:12.45 | jpastore | jolt: saw it for root. didn't see for user. let me read more closely. thank you for all your help. I recently had a centod/whm-cpanel server get compromised so I'm segregating my mail and trying to lock this box down |
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| 17:13.35 | jpastore | if anyone has a debian best practices guide for security that they would recommend I would greatly appreciate it. |
| 17:14.24 | jolt | jpastore: Not just sure if you can do it in sshd when you also have pam. I think there are some compability-mess there, so googling is your fired |
| 17:15.10 | jolt | jpastore: PasswordAuthentication mayhaps |
| 17:15.21 | jpastore | jolt: googling what that does. |
| 17:15.55 | jpastore | jolt: correct. set to no |
| 17:16.45 | jolt | Oh, so I have actually set that on my public machine. What do you know! http://4d024980e68363b9.paste.se/ |
| 17:17.37 | jpastore | cool! |
| 17:17.54 | jolt | jpastore: I have started to use sftp chroot more and more. Pretty nifty |
| 17:17.59 | jpastore | didn't know you could allow from a network! I setup ovpn on my hostnode so that would be useful to add |
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| 17:24.47 | nickgaw | How do I get rid of those kernel messages about hardware errors and temperature above threshold as I had my system professional cleaned but do run lots of intencive application so want to diable all messages like kernel and syslog going to the console? |
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| 17:29.17 | nkuttler | nickgaw: those sound like emergency messages.. check the man pages for your syslog daemon |
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| 17:52.57 | dtux | hello, im sitting on the debian installer where grub is failing to install. dmesg shows mdadm segfault messages. |
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| 17:53.37 | mtn | dtux: how did you make the installer? |
| 17:54.43 | dtux | mtn: i downloaded the stretch netinst image and booted it via flash drive (uefi) |
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| 17:55.29 | mtn | dtux: how did you make the installer? which tool did you use? dd? |
| 17:56.06 | dtux | mtn: oh, sry... yes i used dd (on my mac fwiw) |
| 17:56.45 | mtn | dtux: I don't think the stretch installer is final yet. maybe try the stable version and upgrade to testing? |
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| 17:58.54 | dtux | mtn: the reason i used that is because i came in with a different issue last night: the stable installer could not find an appropriate ethernet driver for my (very) new NUC7i7, and mel00010 suggested installing stretch and it worked |
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| 17:59.15 | mtn | dtux: makes sense |
| 17:59.55 | dtux | a little more info... ive got a 1TB M2 and a 1TB SSD i am trying to set up RAID1 with |
| 18:00.22 | dtux | so maybe that's causing problems for grub-install? |
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| 18:01.50 | dtux | i made 1 giant raid partition on each drive, configured RAID1, then i did a Guided Partition (use entire disk) on the resulting RAID volume. |
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| 18:06.48 | sypher | dtux: What device are you trying to install GRUB to? |
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| 18:07.43 | dtux | sypher: well i figured the most important is /dev/sda... chroot /target; grub-install /dev/sda gives: error: /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. |
| 18:07.57 | dtux | i've tried sdb too |
| 18:08.06 | dtux | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.13 | dtux | grub-install -d /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi /dev/sda gives: error: disk `m0,1' not found. |
| 18:08.42 | dtux | (i mostly stole these steps from https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=830988) |
| 18:08.44 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/830988 in grub2-common (closed): «Fails to reinstall grub in efi system»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-07-13; last modified: 2017-01-29. |
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| 18:09.38 | sypher | dtux: This is an EFI install? |
| 18:11.00 | dtux | sypher: yes, though im not married to it... the NUC with Linux guide said to disable Legacy Boot |
| 18:11.08 | sypher | dtux: Did you make an EFI System Partition? |
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| 18:12.11 | dtux | sypher: not explicitly, but i think one was made on the raid volume by the guided partition (use entire disk) step |
| 18:12.18 | dtux | md0p1 |
| 18:12.31 | sypher | dtux: The ESP cannot live on a RAID volume. It must live on its own partition on the disk. |
| 18:12.55 | dtux | sypher: aha! ok |
| 18:14.41 | dtux | so i need to reserve ~512MB at the beginning of each disk? or just sda? |
| 18:15.21 | sypher | dtux: Just sda. |
| 18:16.39 | dtux | ok, back to the partitioner... thanks |
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| 18:23.20 | dtux | hmmm the installer doesnt seem to be able to delete the old raid volume |
| 18:23.26 | dtux | "It may be in use." |
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| 18:28.11 | sypher | Are LVM volumes active on it? |
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| 18:28.55 | dtux | no, not using LVM... i was able to manually delete the raid partitions, but then it said i should reboot before deleting the raid volume, so i aborted and am going back around atm |
| 18:29.57 | dtux | nice, it's gone now |
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| 18:32.44 | dtux | question: should the swap space on both disks be in their own RAID1 volume? |
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| 18:37.33 | jolt | dtux: swap should be on a raid1, yes. very bad if swap should fail on one disk and just disappear |
| 18:37.50 | jolt | (I know this by experience) |
| 18:38.19 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 18:38.51 | dtux | jolt: gotcha... but i mean as opposed to making a combined RAID1 volume that gets partitioned into ext4 and swap (1 RAID volume total vs 2) |
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| 18:41.06 | Azrael_- | i'm connected to my server by ssh but the display is always broken. instead of the brackets of the display of dpkg-reconfigure it shows ";10m". can you give me a hint how i can fix this? |
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| 18:42.21 | Azrael_- | i'm using a windows client (securecrt) |
| 18:42.30 | petemc | Azrael_-: echo $TERM |
| 18:42.40 | jolt | dtux: I would run swap on an md partition, and then use another md for lvm + fs |
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| 18:43.22 | petemc | Azrael_-: try using putty |
| 18:43.31 | dtux | jolt: ty |
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| 18:44.30 | jolt | dtux: but I never resize my swap really. Maybe you have other needs |
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| 18:45.15 | dtux | jolt: didnt even realize that was a thing to do :p |
| 18:46.36 | dtux | sypher: trying to understand this better... if i leave a bootable ESP at the front of both disks (instead of just sda), either would be able to boot, right? it wont cause problems? |
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| 18:46.53 | Azrael_- | nm, were able to solve it by changing the terminal to xterm+utf8, thanks |
| 18:46.56 | sypher | dtux: No. The boot data will only be written to one of them. |
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| 18:47.19 | jolt | it is nice to write to both of them |
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| 18:47.43 | sypher | Yeah, but that's not how it works in practice without a lot of manual messing around. |
| 18:47.50 | dtux | interesting... ok well, still im tempting to leave it because i cant use the extra space anyways (the raid volumes need to match, iiuc) |
| 18:47.58 | dtux | tempted* |
| 18:48.44 | dtux | should i mark sdb not bootable? |
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| 18:49.51 | jolt | dtux: if both are part of the raid you should make both bootable and intall grub on them |
| 18:50.33 | jolt | Or just grub-install /dev/mdX |
| 18:50.38 | sypher | jolt: EFI doesn't work that way. |
| 18:50.42 | jolt | Should do the trick. Ah |
| 18:50.49 | jolt | sypher: Oh, I missed that port. Sorry! |
| 18:50.50 | sypher | jolt: And it's better to install GRUB to the physical devices, not the RAID device. |
| 18:51.28 | jolt | sypher: Im pretty sure grub will iterate over the hd(N, 0) devices these days |
| 18:52.00 | jolt | But I would also recommend testing the setup before going live |
| 18:52.10 | sypher | jolt: I've had issues with that mechanism in the past. |
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| 18:53.59 | sypher | jolt: Amd any documentation I can find in a brief search says to install on the physical disks. |
| 18:54.11 | sypher | s/Amd/And/ |
| 18:54.25 | dtux | so.. leaving both bootable *should* work, but may have some issues? (as opposed to leaving the ESP on both disks but marking it not bootable on one) |
| 18:55.18 | sypher | dtux: GPT doesn't have a bootable flag. That's just for the ESP. |
| 18:55.45 | dtux | sypher: oh, i guess i didnt realize there was a diff |
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| 18:56.03 | sypher | dtux: Yes, there's a significant difference between MBR and GPT. |
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| 18:56.32 | dtux | im rolling got afaik... do those relate to efi vs bios? |
| 18:56.38 | dtux | gpt* |
| 18:56.53 | sypher | dtux: Relate, yes. |
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| 18:57.15 | sypher | dtux: How large are the disks involved? |
| 18:57.22 | dtux | 1TB |
| 18:57.28 | dtux | each |
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| 19:00.58 | dtux | http://oi63.tinypic.com/2rp68lk.jpg |
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| 19:08.58 | JohnA | where can I get sbackup? |
| 19:09.49 | Voldenet | hmm, the latest version of irssi in jessie's repo is 8.17 |
| 19:09.53 | Voldenet | erm, 0.8.17 |
| 19:10.33 | Dreaman | weechat use |
| 19:10.37 | Voldenet | > https://irssi.org/security/irssi_sa_2017_03.txt |
| 19:10.39 | Voldenet | i use both |
| 19:10.58 | Dreaman | ok |
| 19:11.08 | Voldenet | weechat had some vulnerabilities recently too |
| 19:11.31 | Voldenet | but I wonder if there shouldn't be irssi updates in debian's jessie repo |
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| 19:12.09 | Voldenet | especially with 1.0.2 being a featureless maintenance release |
| 19:12.58 | Voldenet | but that's just my rambling, using v1.0.2-1~bpo8+1 from backports anyway |
| 19:13.15 | sypher | Voldenet: Security fixes are typically backported into stable without incrementing the version number. |
| 19:13.24 | Voldenet | Ah, okay. |
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| 19:14.42 | ubuntley | and I thought IRC is so robust and invulnerable? |
| 19:15.42 | abrotman | Voldenet: did you check the changelog? |
| 19:15.54 | jolt | ubuntley: the protocol is pretty easy. Making featureful clients are not |
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| 19:16.22 | abrotman | http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/i/irssi/irssi_0.8.17-1+deb8u3_changelog |
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| 19:19.35 | sh00p | !unetbootin |
| 19:19.36 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
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| 19:30.28 | Voldenet | abrotman: yeah, I just did, thank you |
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| 19:32.24 | moonythedwarf | Fresh debian/windows dualboot here, any pointer on how to make WIFI work? Kinda first time with a full system (only done linux in VMs before) |
| 19:33.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I have a dir, where I softlinked files for copying⦠is there a simple way to see how much data I softlinked? |
| 19:33.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | du -hs (rightly) doesn't follow softlinks⦠and I see no option to make it do so |
| 19:33.28 | crash_ | moonythedwarf: are you missing firmwares? i mean does your SSID show up in networkmanager-applet? or is it empty there |
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| 19:34.07 | moonythedwarf | crash_, how do i access that? (lol, sorry, i didnt use linux much, neverthless) |
| 19:34.19 | moonythedwarf | I think its firmware, install disk complained about needing one |
| 19:34.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, there IS a -L ⦠dunno why I didn't see that |
| 19:34.32 | moonythedwarf | s/one/it/ |
| 19:34.36 | crash_ | monpoulpe: what kind of wifi chip do you have? |
| 19:34.44 | crash_ | moonythedwarf: |
| 19:35.06 | moonythedwarf | hmm, leme see. *cant find box* how would i check? (Again, sorry, first time.) |
| 19:35.23 | monpoulpe | crash_, none |
| 19:35.43 | crash_ | monpoulpe: hehe tab miss on my side :) |
| 19:35.50 | monpoulpe | ah, ok :) |
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| 19:36.11 | moonythedwarf | Im personally suprised i didnt have to ask how to fix a arthimetric error in /etc/grub.d/30_uefi-firmware :P |
| 19:36.29 | moonythedwarf | (it errored, i checked and changed %x to %d) |
| 19:36.42 | crash_ | moonythedwarf: ok lspci -v or lsusb -v depends if the wifi is integrated or not |
| 19:36.44 | dtux | I'm up and running :) thanks everyone! |
| 19:38.36 | moonythedwarf | *google fu* |
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| 19:39.45 | roelof | Someone a idea for this problem : https://serverfault.com/questions/847331/postfix-unknown-user-info |
| 19:39.59 | moonythedwarf | i have a Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI and a Intel Corporation Device 3165 (rev 81) |
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| 19:40.19 | moonythedwarf | The first one is ethernet (which asked for firmware, but its working?) and the second seems to be WiFi |
| 19:41.05 | crash_ | moonythedwarf: rtl8101E/RTl8102E is your ethernet i think |
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| 19:41.14 | moonythedwarf | yea. |
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| 19:41.26 | moonythedwarf | oh hey, a wiki |
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| 19:43.15 | Acn | Hello guys, can anyone help me configure bind9 ? |
| 19:43.57 | crash_ | Acn: https://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 :) |
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| 19:44.23 | Acn | Yeah but I dont know if I misunderstood something |
| 19:44.27 | Acn | I bought a domain |
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| 19:44.37 | Acn | and I'm trying to make it use my own nameservers |
| 19:44.46 | Acn | Is it possible with bind9? |
| 19:47.17 | crash_ | Acn: i think you need to create a zone and insert the DNS records in there |
| 19:47.23 | jolt | Acn: Yes! https://www.vultr.com/docs/setup-your-own-dns-server-on-debian-ubuntu |
| 19:47.50 | l4m8d4 | Acn: You would configure the subdomain to use a custom DNS record, which points to your bind9-box |
| 19:47.50 | Acn | Yeah I did it, created the zone and everything but in the end I can only access it locally |
| 19:48.07 | Acn | I configured my domain to use a custom DNS record |
| 19:48.11 | Acn | ns1.example.com |
| 19:48.23 | Acn | ns2.example.com |
| 19:48.28 | Acn | where example.com is my domain name |
| 19:48.33 | crash_ | Acn: restarted bind after your changes? |
| 19:48.33 | Acn | it works locally but not globally |
| 19:48.37 | Acn | yeah of course |
| 19:48.43 | crash_ | ok |
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| 19:49.10 | Acn | I can ping my debian server with ip address and access apache on http://ipaddress |
| 19:49.29 | l4m8d4 | Maybe your provider's cache is a problem here? How long ago was it that you made the changes? I sometimes find myself waiting for up to an hour before such changes get applied |
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| 19:50.00 | Acn | Do you need to wait for bind9's changes after restarting the service? |
| 19:50.05 | crash_ | Acn: but not outside you local network? |
| 19:50.15 | Acn | Outside |
| 19:50.17 | Acn | Its a VPS |
| 19:50.29 | crash_ | ah ok |
| 19:50.33 | Acn | The DNS Records on the Domain where I purchased got updated |
| 19:50.40 | l4m8d4 | Acn: no, I just meant your provider, not bind9 itself |
| 19:50.50 | l4m8d4 | okay then |
| 19:51.43 | Acn | I think I have a problem with my configuration, I'll reinstall bind9 and try again |
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| 19:51.54 | Acn | I can't ping ns1.example.com from outside of my VPS though |
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| 19:53.11 | moonythedwarf | crash_, Hmm, no luck, from what i can find, looks like i'd have to backport? But that'd be more pain for me. :/ |
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| 19:54.52 | l4m8d4 | Acn: Why don't you post the relevant configs on paste.debian.net so that we could see what you're doing? Maybe then we can spot an error |
| 19:56.14 | crash_ | moonythedwarf: not really, you just need to add the backport repo to sources.list and then do apt install -t jessie-backports the firmware package you need |
| 19:56.33 | moonythedwarf | Ah, how would i do that? :P |
| 19:58.08 | crash_ | moonythedwarf: add deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main contrib non-free to sources.list and do apt update and then apt install -t jessie-backports firmware package |
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| 19:58.16 | Acn | l4m8d4: named.conf.options http://paste.debian.net/930021 nameds.conf.local http://paste.debian.net/930022 |
| 19:58.22 | Acn | l4m8d4: zone configuration: http://paste.debian.net/930024 |
| 19:58.36 | Acn | Did not hide any of the details, the configuration is as is |
| 19:58.47 | moonythedwarf | mk. |
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| 19:59.25 | crash_ | moonythedwarf: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 19:59.28 | jolt | Acn: Run http://dnscheck.pingdom.com/ and see what it reports |
| 20:00.10 | Acn | jolt: Did it earlier, it said that there was an error, I'll do it again |
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| 20:00.29 | jolt | Ah, ok |
| 20:00.34 | Acn | jolt: As I'm saying, the ns1. cannot be pinged from the outside of my vps |
| 20:00.47 | Acn | nor the domain |
| 20:00.59 | candidat | hi, need someone to explain me apache i can pay |
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| 20:02.06 | candidat | 10$ |
| 20:02.08 | roelof | nobody ho can help me ? |
| 20:03.11 | jolt | Acn: host asevenn.us NS1.ASEVENN.COM just hangs, so whatever you are trying to run on NS1.ASEVENN.COM doesn't respond to requests. Have you opened port 53 tcp/udp in your firwall? |
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| 20:04.19 | Acn | jolt: yeah it hangs, but nmap shows that port 53 is opened |
| 20:04.39 | Acn | jolt: So I think I messed up the config sometimes, but its the second time i changed the config |
| 20:04.51 | Acn | somewhere* |
| 20:04.51 | hamdy | I installed Debian with a Lxde desktop. It miss the option to delete the file in the trash on the Desktop. I allways have to delete with rm -rf etc.. Is it a but ? |
| 20:05.09 | jolt | Acn: well, you can probably start by turning of dnssec for now |
| 20:05.27 | jolt | candidat: What is the question? |
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| 20:06.26 | jolt | Acn: It doesn't respond at all for me from the outside anyway, not a single reply on 53/udp |
| 20:07.06 | Acn | jolt: scanning the ip address with nmap shows that 53 is opened though |
| 20:07.15 | Acn | jolt: and bind9 status is active and running |
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| 20:08.02 | jolt | Acn: use "netstat -anp|grep 53" and verify that it's up as well. Isn't there anything in any log? |
| 20:08.35 | Acn | jolt: Found something like this in the log "127.0.0.1#37975 (49.**.**.***.in-addr.arpa): query (cache) '49.**.**.***.in-addr.arpa/PTR/IN' denied" |
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| 20:09.02 | Acn | jolt: TCP and UDP both up on the command |
| 20:10.19 | jolt | Acn: did you turn of dnssec? |
| 20:10.41 | Acn | jolt: Did it, can't start bind9 now |
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| 20:12.33 | jolt | Acn: And the validation? |
| 20:12.56 | Acn | jolt: Some rndc error now, cannot connect to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 20:13.45 | jolt | Acn: anyway, the zone config is alright, so it's something with the other part of the conf. Perhaps try the very basic conf at https://www.vultr.com/docs/setup-your-own-dns-server-on-debian-ubuntu and see if that helps |
| 20:14.02 | Acn | jolt: Thank you, I'll reinstall bind and try this config |
| 20:14.14 | Acn | it was the very first one I tried today |
| 20:14.18 | Acn | I'll do it again |
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| 20:16.27 | moonythedwarf | What driver should i use for Intel Corporation Device [8086:3165]? (jessie-backports) |
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| 20:17.32 | crash_ | moonythedwarf: https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi this driver should work for you |
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| 20:19.26 | jpastore | jolt: do you have to install anything special to allow for Match Address to work in the sshd_config? it won't start unless I comment that out |
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| 20:20.37 | jolt | jpastore: Looks like I have the regular openssh-server |
| 20:20.40 | Acn | jolt: still with that configuration again, it only works locally |
| 20:21.17 | jolt | Acn: do you have a host on the outside? Can you tcpdump on the server while you do a host request? |
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| 20:21.29 | jolt | Acn: or tcpdump while I do a request? |
| 20:21.51 | jpastore | jolt: hmm... I'm likely blowing it some it somehow |
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| 20:22.22 | jolt | jpastore: and you are running openssh and not dropbear or something? |
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| 20:23.02 | jpastore | jolt: stock sshd. OpenBSF Secure Shell server accoding the service status |
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| 20:23.08 | jpastore | BSD* |
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| 20:24.16 | jolt | jpastore: Huh? I'm running OpenSSH_6.7p1 |
| 20:24.21 | jpastore | jolt: do you have a Match all line after your match syntax in your ocnfig? I found a stackexchange post that mentions this |
| 20:24.26 | jolt | jpastore: So I guess you are running something else funky |
| 20:24.40 | Acn | jolt: I'm receiving a lot of gibberish when I run tcpdump, can I somehow filter them and wait for your host request |
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| 20:24.59 | jpastore | it's the debian image from ovh.com |
| 20:24.59 | jolt | Acn: tcpdump -ni <interface> port 53 |
| 20:25.12 | jolt | jpastore: So they are running something else then |
| 20:25.24 | Acn | jolt: alright, ran it |
| 20:25.28 | jpastore | possibly |
| 20:25.36 | Acn | jolt: whenever you can do the request, im waiting |
| 20:25.55 | jolt | Acn: now |
| 20:26.02 | Acn | jolt: Nothing |
| 20:26.07 | jolt | jpastore: Try and see if you can install openssh-server instead? |
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| 20:26.17 | Acn | jolt: something came |
| 20:26.29 | Acn | jolt: 213. |
| 20:26.30 | jpastore | jolt: sshd -v shows: openssh_6.7p1 debian-5+deb8u3 OpenSSL 1.0.1t 3 May 2016 |
| 20:26.50 | jolt | jpastore: thats the one Im running |
| 20:27.00 | jolt | Acn: query |
| 20:27.11 | Acn | jolt: allow-query any; ? |
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| 20:27.23 | jpastore | jolt: so it works with Match all to close the block. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/67334/openssh-how-to-end-a-match-block |
| 20:27.40 | jolt | jpastore: Ah, nice catch. I have lots of stuff in my conf |
| 20:27.51 | jolt | jpastore: Sorry for the wild goosechase |
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| 20:27.59 | jpastore | jolt: np. new to this syntax, but thanks for the protip =) |
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| 20:28.24 | Acn | jolt: What was it about 'query', tcpdump caught your request |
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| 20:28.40 | jolt | Acn: I meant pm |
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| 20:30.32 | candidat | jolt the question is how do you set apache2 with the default config files ? if you delete all config files did it setup new ones by itself ? |
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| 20:30.52 | candidat | bind seems to work fine, but apache virtualhost seems malfunctionning |
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| 20:32.34 | candidat | jolt if i give you an account can you take a look at it ? |
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| 20:38.43 | jolt | candidat: Sorry, I'm not able to do that. But you can purge your apache and reinstall it if you want |
| 20:39.11 | candidat | jolt yes that what i want. What is the cmd for this ? apt-get remove apache2 ? |
| 20:39.37 | jolt | candidat: apt-get remove --purge apache2-common maybe. I'm not using apache myself |
| 20:39.55 | jolt | candidat: you can do "dpkg -l |grep apache2" to see what is installed |
| 20:41.02 | Canucktux | hello, anyone here have any idea how to solve this graphical issue? http://i.imgur.com/RMDoYfQ.png |
| 20:41.27 | Canucktux | theres this big red box that causes the drop down box area to be to tall |
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| 20:44.45 | Juzzy | is there a way to determin which harddrives have grub on the mbr and which have not? |
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| 20:52.44 | candidat | jolt it went back to normal ! yahooOOOOO ^^ |
| 20:53.14 | jolt | candidat: :D |
| 20:53.25 | candidat | :D |
| 20:53.31 | candidat | thanks ! |
| 20:55.19 | jolt | Du stod ju på utsidan, där var det wire fence |
| 20:55.34 | jolt | Sorry |
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| 20:59.43 | nickgaw | Anyone here use bootcd to make a bootable CD of a debian system or is there a better option outthere? |
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| 21:01.08 | jolt | nickgaw: Well, I never use cd's, just netboot or usb |
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| 21:01.24 | jolt | nickgaw: Or did you mean to make an image of a running system? |
| 21:01.28 | jolt | Never done that |
| 21:02.07 | nickgaw | My systems don't support booting from USB but what method do you use to build an USB bootable stick have you ever built a custom live disc? |
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| 21:02.31 | jolt | nickgaw: Nope, sorry. How about netboot? |
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| 21:03.06 | nickgaw | Don't you have to go into the bios and make several changes to support net booting and have a server ready? |
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| 21:03.32 | jolt | nickgaw: Well, you only need to setup the server once, and thats pretty easy with something like dnsmasq or other tftp server |
| 21:03.59 | jolt | when you boot you can usually just press something like F12 to select boot media, and there select pxe (if it's enable in bios that is) |
| 21:04.01 | nickgaw | Can the server be at a remote location? |
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| 21:04.46 | jolt | nickgaw: That is a good question. I belive so, but I have only done it on the local network. So maybe CD is the most straigtforward way for you. Or just copy the whole disk to usb |
| 21:05.08 | nickgaw | Can net booting work over wifi? |
| 21:05.35 | jolt | nickgaw: I guess that is more about the network card than the technology of netbooting |
| 21:05.59 | jolt | it works by dhcp deliving the netboot options while it hands out the IP, so it should work |
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| 21:06.46 | nickgaw | With net booting does it store files on the network like use the network as the hard drive or does it run in ram and then you lose everything at the end when you shut the system down? |
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| 21:08.25 | jolt | nickgaw: depends on the setup. Pretty common to load kernel of netboot, then mount / from NFS and run everything from there. But you could also have it boot a iso to run for just the session |
| 21:09.57 | nickgaw | My system has an option in the bios to turn on secure booting as currently it is off if I turn this on will my existing debian system still boot? |
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| 21:11.05 | jolt | nickgaw: No idea what that is |
| 21:11.16 | nickgaw | EFI booting. |
| 21:11.34 | jolt | Yeah, but secure booting. |
| 21:12.04 | nickgaw | I think the option is EFI is currently off if I turn that on will my system still boot normally? |
| 21:12.26 | jolt | I have too little experience with the whole EFI business, so I can't help you there |
| 21:13.37 | nickgaw | Are there methods for building a bootable disc that loads itself into ram then boots so you can remove the disc and use it in the live system? |
| 21:14.47 | jolt | I assume there is, since there are so many live isos available. But you have to search that stuff, because I have no idea, and I seems to be the only one awake/not drinking :) |
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| 21:18.14 | medfly | where is the repo holding debian packages |
| 21:18.19 | medfly | like spec file or whatever you call it |
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| 21:19.48 | dondelelcaro | medfly: the source packages are distributed by most mirrors |
| 21:20.21 | jolt | medfly: /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 21:23.57 | r4f_debian | hi all, I have cheese here, but can't connect webcam to internet, I'd like to use my webcam in laptop for internet purposes |
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| 21:25.50 | medfly | eh... |
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| 21:26.17 | r4f_debian | please, is there anyone that can help me on this ? |
| 21:26.24 | Somelauw | I have an external mouse and I noticed that when that mouse is connected, my monitor doesn't go to sleep, but when not having that mouse connected, it does so. What can be the problem with this mouse? |
| 21:27.11 | r4f_debian | should I have to install other application to be able to use webcam to communicate to others through internet ? |
| 21:27.32 | jolt | r4f_debian: Well, https://wiki.debian.org/Webcam ? |
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| 21:33.54 | Komanda425341 | trying to install openmediavault (debian based); tried to create bootable usb stick here but it doesnt boot |
| 21:33.56 | Komanda425341 | http://wiki.openmediavault.org/index.php?title=Installation |
| 21:34.12 | Komanda425341 | using an old X6DVL-EG2 rev 1.1 mobo with 1gb ram |
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| 21:35.25 | Komanda425341 | https://sourceforge.net/projects/openmediavault/files/ |
| 21:35.44 | Komanda425341 | i used /2.1/openmediavault_2.1_amd64.iso |
| 21:35.52 | Komanda425341 | is that even the right file for this mobo? |
| 21:36.08 | Komanda425341 | perhaps try i386? |
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| 21:38.41 | medfly | I can't find it. I also am not running debian so cannot see /etc/apt/sources.list, just browsing a mirror |
| 21:38.56 | candidat | do you guys have a book on apache2 ebook for my ereader ? |
| 21:39.00 | medfly | which may be incomplete |
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| 21:40.34 | jolt | medfly: I don't really understand what you want to do? Just look at a random mirror? |
| 21:40.43 | medfly | I want to find the files used to build the packages |
| 21:40.47 | medfly | to see what they contain |
| 21:40.53 | jolt | medfly: ah, then search packages.debian.org |
| 21:41.07 | jolt | medfly: for a package, and it will show which sources and patches was used |
| 21:41.25 | jolt | medfly: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/irssi look at the right hand side |
| 21:42.19 | medfly | ok found it thanks |
| 21:43.09 | jolt | np |
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| 21:44.11 | jolt | dpkg: openmediavault |
| 21:44.11 | dpkg | OpenMediaVault is a NAS operating system with a web-based control panel. It is <based on Debian> but not supported in #debian. Support can be found at http://wiki.openmediavault.org/ and #openmediavault on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:44.21 | jolt | Komanda425341: ^^ |
| 21:44.42 | technocf | Hello. I installed debian without a desktop environment and installed i3-gaps. How can I now change my volumes and output devices? |
| 21:44.56 | Komanda425341 | jolt: thats a dead channel |
| 21:45.11 | Komanda425341 | and i'm asking a simpel general linux question |
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| 21:45.48 | jolt | Komanda425341: Ok. Well, it's hard for us to know which driver they have on their isos though |
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| 21:46.40 | jolt | technocf: open a terminal and run pamixer or alsamixer? |
| 21:47.04 | jolt | technocf: or maybe install something graphical like pnmixer, which I use with i3 |
| 21:47.28 | technocf | jolt: Where do I find pnmixer? |
| 21:47.51 | technocf | jolt: On jessie I think. |
| 21:48.04 | jolt | technocf: Ah, I probably took it from https://github.com/nicklan/pnmixer |
| 21:48.19 | jolt | but there should be lots of pulseaudio alternatives to use |
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| 21:49.27 | jolt | technocf: but I think everything is controllable by pactl though |
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| 21:50.18 | technocf | jolt: pavucontrol shows nothing... yet I can hear sound out of a device it doesn't list. |
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| 21:51.04 | Komanda425341 | jolt: well its strange; the iso does boot in a VM on a different machine :[ |
| 21:51.23 | Komanda425341 | just gonna try the i386 one |
| 21:51.36 | jolt | Komanda425341: I would assue amd64 is the right one. but usb and isos might be tricky sometimes. But dd if=iso of=/dev/usbthingie bs=1M should be enough if they built their image right |
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| 22:06.01 | moonythedwarf | How do i check kernel versions? |
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| 22:06.42 | jolt | moonythedwarf: uname -a, if you want to see what is running right now |
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| 22:08.03 | moonythedwarf | damnit intel. i have 3.16 and the wifi drivers i need require 4.1 >_> |
| 22:08.07 | sayNi | I am having some trouble booting after updating to stretch from Jessie. I had to go in through TTY and enter the command startx, instead of the normal boot into Mate. Before going to TTY, the boot sequence was giving me sb.pc10 excess arguments. Something about there were 5 arguments and the limit is 4. Thank you. |
| 22:08.44 | jolt | moonythedwarf: You can install 4.x with backports |
| 22:08.55 | moonythedwarf | Oh? How? |
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| 22:12.19 | jolt | moonythedwarf: I don't find the page now, but basically, look up how to install jessie backports, then if you search for linux-image 4.x is there |
| 22:12.44 | Teapot | Hi. I did an apt-get dist-upgrade and found that icedown has now been converted to Thunderbird. My old profiles no longer work. I've tried creating a new profile and copying my Mail info into that, and can read and create emails, but can't send attachments any more. I also can't open images with Gwenview any more, or pdf's except through Firefox. They won't open when directed to Evince. Can anyone please advise how to get emails with |
| 22:12.44 | Teapot | attachments sent in particular? |
| 22:13.30 | sayNi | moonythedwarf Or you can compile the kernel from source. Takes a while, but isn't too bad. |
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| 22:14.13 | jolt | sayNi: I would say that it's a pretty steep step from someone whom until recently didn't know about uname though, |
| 22:14.15 | jolt | . |
| 22:15.38 | sayNi | jolt Fair enough. I did it on one of my first Ubuntu computers as a newb. I didn't think it was too bad. Of course, I did have no idea what I was doing at the though. |
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| 22:15.44 | Komanda4523 | did on mac; |
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| 22:15.48 | Komanda4523 | sudo dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/disk2 bs=4096 |
| 22:16.00 | Komanda4523 | now on old pc i get; Isolinux.bin missing or corrupt |
| 22:16.17 | Komanda4523 | found; "I've had similar issues. The solution is to pass sync and set the byte block to 4 when writing the drive with dd.I'm pretty sure it's documented on the wiki." |
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| 22:16.25 | Komanda4523 | so how would i have to change the dd command? |
| 22:16.28 | jolt | sayNi: I don't compile kernels any more since maybe 5 years ago, Someone else doing it for backports will do it better than me. But yeah, nice to have the possibility at least |
| 22:17.13 | jolt | Komanda4523: Plop Boot Manager. Download and get that unto the usb, then from plop I think you can browse files from usb and boot from those |
| 22:17.24 | DoctorD90 | ehm...as some days someone told me, I get some issue about wifi :P anybody that could help me? :P |
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| 22:18.51 | Komanda4523 | jolt: i know its capable of booting from usb devices; i have done so many times |
| 22:19.29 | jolt | Komanda4523: Yes, but we dont know what they have done with that iso. Since that seems to be the problem I just wanted to give you an alternative. |
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| 22:20.22 | uxfi | hey Komanda4523 |
| 22:20.29 | Komanda4523 | jolt: ok thanks |
| 22:20.32 | Komanda4523 | will reboot and try |
| 22:20.36 | Komanda4523 | uxfi: hey :] |
| 22:20.40 | uxfi | how are u |
| 22:22.51 | sayNi | So has anyone else had the problem that they can't boot do a normal boot after upgrading from Jessie to Stretch? |
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| 22:26.21 | moonythedwarf | jolt, linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.2-arr is what i want right? |
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| 22:27.11 | aokfire | Hey, using Debian 8, is it possible to use @reboot per Vixie's cron? |
| 22:27.26 | aokfire | or does stock cron that comes with Debian 8 not have that capability |
| 22:27.51 | jolt | moonythedwarf: Yeah, that sounds about right |
| 22:28.06 | jolt | aokfire: It can run any command, so thats fine |
| 22:28.16 | aokfire | ok, so using @reboot command in my crontab is fine |
| 22:28.24 | aokfire | to start programs I want at boot, or run commands |
| 22:29.04 | jolt | aokfire: Yeah |
| 22:29.13 | aokfire | cool. thanks jolt :) |
| 22:29.28 | jolt | aokfire: man 5 crontab |
| 22:29.40 | aokfire | thx :). just wanted to make sure it was "vixie's cron" |
| 22:30.01 | jolt | aokfire: I have no idea which one it is, but if you look far down in the man @reboot is supported |
| 22:30.07 | aokfire | ok, perfect |
| 22:30.22 | aokfire | Do you think it's safe to do that? does cron start late enough for programs to start properly? |
| 22:31.21 | abrotman | aokfire: no one knows which programs you're going to start, you'll have to test it |
| 22:31.29 | Zzeiss | NUCs are a bit twitchy.... out of the box they won't run much at all. You pretty much MUST reflash the bios from Intel's web site. DAMHIK...... |
| 22:31.47 | aokfire | ok, cool thanks :) |
| 22:31.54 | Zzeiss | I have no idea why Intel won't ship NUCs with anup to date bios flash... but they don't. |
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| 22:32.11 | jolt | aokfire: I use it to start stuff in screen for users account |
| 22:32.23 | aokfire | exactly what I'm doing |
| 22:32.42 | aokfire | Gonna have to kill this uptime to test |
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| 22:34.00 | moonythedwarf | jolt, installed, i assume i jsut reboot and it will be using the new kernel? Or do i have to remove the old one |
| 22:34.19 | jolt | moonythedwarf: I think it will be default |
| 22:34.24 | jolt | run update-grub and see |
| 22:34.56 | moonythedwarf | Yup |
| 22:35.02 | moonythedwarf | grub had updated it to 4 |
| 22:35.17 | moonythedwarf | rebooting |
| 22:35.56 | jolt | moonythedwarf: glhf |
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| 22:46.44 | brianherman | i am having issues with gnome on debian on hyper-v i can get xfce working but gnome is a no go |
| 22:47.20 | brianherman | debian stretch though not jessie |
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| 22:55.02 | moony | crash_, jolt, Thanks for the help. I now can finally stop sitting in my network closet ;) |
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| 23:07.58 | brianherman | nvm i was using wayland i guess that doesnt work |
| 23:08.00 | brianherman | thanks |
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| 23:08.55 | latemus | is there a tool to add a repo mirro or is the only way to manually edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:10.00 | Azrael_- | echo "mirror" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:10.34 | Azrael_- | or: echo "repo" >> /ect/apt/sources.d/yourrepo |
| 23:11.12 | latemus | Azrael_-: thanks |
| 23:11.15 | Azrael_- | yw |
| 23:11.21 | latemus | so i have to add it manually |
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| 23:11.30 | Azrael_- | don't see like there was another way |
| 23:11.32 | latemus | cool man kk |
| 23:12.06 | latemus | just wondering if apt* had something like zypper and yum whhere you can add repos |
| 23:12.14 | latemus | np |
| 23:13.03 | dvs | latemus, I though synaptic can but you would still have to type it in manually |
| 23:13.37 | latemus | dvs: thanks bro. also looks like apt-setup was a thing, checking if it still is in this decade |
| 23:13.48 | latemus | nope |
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| 23:17.15 | TomTomTosch | apt-add-repository does that. it's in software-properties-common |
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| 23:18.23 | l4m8d4 | why does debian mark so many packages as manually installed although they would also be installed if they were marked as automatically installed? |
| 23:18.36 | l4m8d4 | I regularly get orphaned packages because of that. |
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| 23:20.55 | l4m8d4 | It seems many packages are set as manually installed "to be safe" although essential packages that are manually installed depend on them anyway. |
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| 23:25.34 | l4m8d4 | For example: zlib1g is set to manually installed although I never installed it myself. If I mark it as automatically installed. apt autoremove will not attempt to remove it. |
| 23:27.02 | l4m8d4 | Which packages does the system need, and why is there nothing like "system" in addition to automatic and manual, I find that misleading. Manual could imply that the system administrator himself installed it, but I didnt |
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| 23:35.47 | dondelelcaro | l4m8d4: there is; those packages are Essential: yes |
| 23:35.55 | dondelelcaro | l4m8d4: but that's a pretty small set of packages |
| 23:36.09 | moony | Anyone know a good code editor for Debian? |
| 23:36.25 | mandeep | moony: there are lots |
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| 23:38.54 | moony | *looks in package list, finds a tool dedicated to finding instabilitys in the kernel* |
| 23:40.36 | l4m8d4 | dondelelcaro: Hm. Using apt show, I can see a Priority tag, but no Essential unfortunately. Can you give me an example of a package that the system considers essential? |
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| 23:41.42 | l4m8d4 | dondelelcaro: Aha, it seems dpkg is Essential. It only shows it when it is actually "Essential: yes" |
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| 23:44.00 | l4m8d4 | That also leads me to the question, how to know if a given package, that was marked as manually installed, was actually installed by me (if I am the only user)? Because it seems hard to find out. |
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| 23:54.23 | CuteMeOwnThroat | l4m8d4, logs |
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| 23:58.30 | Dan39 | hi \o |
| 23:58.40 | Dan39 | running debian 8.7 on a ramnode KVM vps |
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| 23:59.11 | Dan39 | noticed my system's time jumping or not staying accurate even though i thought i had ntpd running |
| 23:59.21 | Dan39 | found this error in logs: ntpd[18605]: i/o error on routing socket No buffer space available - disabling |
| 23:59.46 | Dan39 | googling for it seems to bring up other more serious issues that i dont think i have |
