| 00:00.02 | blackflow | but what's the problem? |
| 00:00.14 | Juzzy | so I have one bootable drive left in my raid |
| 00:00.19 | blackflow | converting drives? you mean copying data from one to another? |
| 00:00.50 | Juzzy | I'm failing a drive, installing the new one, setting the partitions up and readding it |
| 00:01.12 | Juzzy | one drive at a time. and letting md do all the rebuilds |
| 00:01.18 | blackflow | so what's the problem? you miscalculated space required and forgot the bios boot partition? |
| 00:01.35 | Juzzy | I didn't realize i needed a bios boot for gpt |
| 00:01.57 | blackflow | you do if you want to boot off of it |
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| 00:02.01 | blackflow | which raid level is that? |
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| 00:02.12 | Juzzy | is there a different loader that supports gpt? or is that a limitation? |
| 00:02.14 | Juzzy | 5 |
| 00:02.35 | Juzzy | well my / is mirrors on all |
| 00:02.41 | Juzzy | 20GB |
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| 00:02.58 | blackflow | can you finish resilvering, and then fail it again, repartition, and resilver again? |
| 00:03.59 | Juzzy | hrm, possibly. |
| 00:04.26 | blackflow | don't forget to zero the superblock after you fail it |
| 00:04.31 | Juzzy | I wonder if readding the "failed" old drive would take forever to rebiuld |
| 00:04.56 | blackflow | you can't read from the old failed drive, it's no longer part of the array |
| 00:05.10 | Juzzy | but data has been written to the rest of it |
| 00:05.22 | blackflow | but what's the problem? you have at least 3 drives, right? |
| 00:05.49 | Juzzy | yep, so I need to readd the old one then fail a "new" drive to screw with partitions, I guess |
| 00:05.56 | blackflow | no |
| 00:06.23 | blackflow | if it's finished resilvering, then you have raid 5 in production, so fail one drive, the one you wish to install grub on. |
| 00:06.50 | blackflow | zero the superblock, repartition (bios grub + your raid data partition), and plug it back in, it'll resilver from the other two |
| 00:06.57 | blackflow | I mean, that's what raid 5 is supposed to do |
| 00:07.11 | blackflow | allowing any one drive to fail. |
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| 00:07.44 | Juzzy | right now I am down to 3 drives b/c I failed the last old drive and it no longer boots |
| 00:07.57 | Juzzy | I reinerted the old drive to get it to boot |
| 00:08.13 | Juzzy | but it's still out of the arrays |
| 00:08.43 | Juzzy | so I'll need to readd the old one before I fail one of the new ones to screw with it |
| 00:09.12 | Juzzy | Unless I can use sectors 0-2047 to install bios_grup ;) |
| 00:09.19 | Juzzy | grub* |
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| 00:09.43 | blackflow | yeah, the first 1MB should suffice |
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| 00:10.01 | blackflow | but it has to be a gpt partition of correct type |
| 00:11.12 | Juzzy | so my partion 1 on all drives are only 20gb raid1 |
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| 00:11.32 | Juzzy | can I convert that back to a dos partition and rerun grub? |
| 00:11.50 | Juzzy | w/o rebuilding anything |
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| 00:13.09 | blackflow | Juzzy: dos? so you want efi or bios boot ? |
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| 00:14.17 | Juzzy | oh probably. I guess it's disk-wide on the partition schemes |
| 00:14.28 | Juzzy | I'm readding the old one for now. |
| 00:14.55 | Juzzy | then I'll shift all my partitions down some and add a 1mb partition on 1 |
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| 00:15.18 | Juzzy | just going to take forever :( |
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| 00:18.41 | Juzzy | is there a sector limit on where it can be? |
| 00:18.41 | Juzzy | I have a swap partition that's raid5 as partition #2 I could move it to the end |
| 00:18.42 | Juzzy | it'd be 41961780 sectors in though, and partition #2 |
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| 00:22.28 | Juzzy | could I just use syslinux to boot instead of screwing with grub + bios partitions? |
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| 01:06.09 | Juzzy | hrm any idea why this isn't working then? mkpart primary 34s 2047s; set 4 bios_grub on |
| 01:06.24 | Juzzy | grub-install /dev/sda -- no errors |
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| 01:10.14 | _shadowX | hey guys, anyone has a good experience with good dedicated server hosting |
| 01:10.15 | _shadowX | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.00 | _shadowX | no one ? |
| 01:13.33 | gry | _shadowX: hi, see https://trisquel.info/en/forum/free-software-ideology-compatible-vps-provider and https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:VPS |
| 01:13.36 | Juzzy | not I |
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| 01:13.58 | gry | _shadowX: perhaps also ask #bitcoin for their help |
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| 01:17.26 | pingouin | bye #debian ! see ya all |
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| 01:29.19 | Juzzy | yay it worked! |
| 01:29.23 | Juzzy | thanks for the help guys |
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| 01:52.52 | asterismo | hi |
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| 01:54.42 | asterismo | is there anyway to install libmojo-pg-perl in jessie? |
| 01:55.16 | Bidouiller | Hi, i want to start a second x session on tty6 for example to run a game, any help please :) |
| 01:55.31 | gry | asterismo you could ask #debian-perl at oftc if nobody here knows |
| 01:56.00 | Ben64 | Bidouiller: what os are you running |
| 01:56.58 | Bidouiller | Hi ben64, can you help ? or you are doing the police man ? |
| 01:57.37 | Ben64 | well since you can't get past step 1, i can't help you |
| 01:58.02 | Bidouiller | i asked you before you didnt answer |
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| 01:58.11 | Bidouiller | :( |
| 01:58.15 | firef1y | Hey, how do you install packages from anywhere other than the main or contrib? |
| 01:58.44 | firef1y | like, say, this one: |
| 01:58.46 | firef1y | https://packages.debian.org/sid/utils/ifuse |
| 01:59.17 | firef1y | I'm pretty sure I have to put *something* in /etc/apt/sources.lst |
| 01:59.25 | firef1y | :s/lst/list |
| 01:59.38 | firef1y | but I'm not sure what exactly. |
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| 02:02.31 | agrecascino | hello |
| 02:02.38 | agrecascino | how do i lilo |
| 02:02.47 | agrecascino | like |
| 02:02.57 | agrecascino | how do i set up my system to use lilo |
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| 02:29.10 | Jaami | strange behavior of my debian recently. i cannot shutdown or log of , why is that happemimg? |
| 02:29.32 | Jaami | happening** |
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| 02:30.35 | Koyaanisqatsi` | In package kodi-standalone, when running this session I am seeing the keyboard is inactive. |
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| 02:31.49 | Jaami | any good person who can help me to shutdown my system |
| 02:31.54 | Jaami | ? |
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| 02:36.06 | viscera | Hi there. I'm trying to rescue (using Jessie netinst Rescue Mode) a Stretch system. All I need to do is "systemctl disable gdm" and install the QXL video driver. When I try to "systemctl status gdm" it complains that it is "running in chroot, ignoring request". Is this normal? |
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| 02:37.33 | viscera | (regular Recovery Mode doesn't work because I did an expert install and disallowed logon as root) |
| 02:38.49 | gry | viscera, you can try 'startx' instead of starting gdm, or install the driver in commandline only |
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| 02:58.17 | viscera | gry: I fixed the display issue (installed xserver-xorg-video-qxl and libgl1-mesa-dri) -- my question is more related to the design of Rescue Mode with systemd |
| 02:58.30 | viscera | gry: i.e. shouldn't a user be able to use systemctl during Rescue Mode |
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| 02:59.00 | viscera | In other words, is this a Squeeze problem or is it the same in Jessie |
| 02:59.18 | gry | viscera: maybe rescue mode gives access to the files in a chroot without suggesting you to run the system, but I do not know it well. please ping me if you find out |
| 02:59.29 | viscera | ok |
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| 04:01.38 | xp_ | Hi! Where can I get help with pulseaudio? I'm having problems... |
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| 04:02.51 | Rusty1_ | xp_: /join #pulseaudio , try ther |
| 04:03.01 | Rusty1_ | *there |
| 04:03.15 | xp_ | Rusty1_: Will do, thanks |
| 04:07.05 | pacha | sorry if off-topic, if I want to get into basic Linux internals (subsystems, modules/drivers, d-bus, etc), where should I start with? |
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| 04:18.42 | somiaj | pacha: You can start by looking at the kernel, there is a channel #kernel or something like that for it, and maybe kernel.org has some resources as well. |
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| 05:20.15 | dtux | i have an amazon basics USB mouse and a logitech wireless USB mouse. with the former, I can middle click on some highlighted text in my terminal and it will paste it (without overwriting my clipboard). I can't with the logitech, anyone know why? |
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| 05:24.54 | Jaami | why shutdown button and log off are not working? can someone explain why? |
| 05:25.56 | dtux | Jaami: does typing `logout` at a terminal work? |
| 05:26.03 | Jaami | no |
| 05:26.16 | Jaami | poweroff wont work too |
| 05:26.29 | Jaami | nothing works |
| 05:27.53 | Jaami | bash: logout: not login shell: use `exit' |
| 05:28.30 | dtux | how about `sudo shutdown -h now`? |
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| 05:29.13 | Jaami | bash: shutdown: command not found |
| 05:30.27 | dtux | hmm, mine is at /sbin/shutdown, does that exist for you? |
| 05:30.44 | somiaj | did you not type sudo first? |
| 05:30.56 | dtux | Jaami: ^ |
| 05:31.32 | Jaami | dtux: yes |
| 05:31.53 | Jaami | me@debian:/sbin$ ls shutd* --> shutdown |
| 05:32.40 | Jaami | somiaj: no i did not type sudo |
| 05:33.10 | dtux | Jaami: /sbin is not in your PATH if you do not type sudo |
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| 05:36.12 | Jaami | everything was ok 2 weeks ago. what happened automatically |
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| 05:37.26 | Jaami | i got sick so did not use my system for 1 week atleast |
| 05:38.10 | Jaami | does debian run something automatically? like updates or something? |
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| 05:38.31 | oneand0 | Jaami: seems like something messed your PATH variable I would think, what happens if you type "reset" at a terminal command prompt ? |
| 05:38.54 | Jaami | let me check please |
| 05:39.34 | Jaami | oneand0: it cleared screen and came back to prompt |
| 05:40.11 | oneand0 | Jaami: and how does poweroff or shutdown work? -- if it does, the problem is likely temporary... |
| 05:40.23 | Jaami | just a second |
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| 05:41.43 | expert975 | I used to play music on my loudspeakers and listen to the game sound on my monitor through HDMI. Now the analog output doesn't work anymore, as pulseaudio seems to restart everytime I set any audio to it, spamming syslog. How can I start looking for a solution? |
| 05:41.58 | Jaami | oneand0: no change, still getting command not found on poweroff and shutdown |
| 05:43.21 | oneand0 | Jaami: ok, try "/sbin/shutdown " |
| 05:44.00 | Jaami | Must be root. |
| 05:44.07 | Jaami | :) |
| 05:44.55 | Jaami | i think you found the reason and can help me to fix it |
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| 05:45.23 | oneand0 | Jaami: hmm, did you try a major upgrade recently which did not complete ? |
| 05:46.05 | Jaami | oneand0: no i promised to myself not to touch my debian |
| 05:46.58 | Jaami | i mean, i did not install any updates |
| 05:47.09 | Jaami | even did not try to install anything |
| 05:47.18 | oneand0 | Jaami: this is a dekstop / personal device right, only you as user ? .. any other users with root access who could have changed something ? |
| 05:48.04 | Jaami | yes, and i live alone , not possible that anyone else can do any trick on my system |
| 05:48.39 | Jaami | no other user have root access |
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| 05:49.20 | oneand0 | Jaami: odd indeed ... do "halt" or "reboot" work ? |
| 05:49.25 | Jaami | its my laptop |
| 05:49.38 | Jaami | le me check please |
| 05:50.33 | Jaami | both failed, halt and reboot , with same error, command not found |
| 05:51.12 | oneand0 | Jaami: what version are you running ? .. could be a random bug left over from an older release |
| 05:51.57 | Jaami | please let me know how to check vesion, i think it was jessy 8 when i installed |
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| 05:52.55 | oneand0 | "cat /etc/issue" ... |
| 05:52.57 | oneand0 | Jaami: my advice.. shutdown as root :) .. and when possible, maybe update it to whatevers recent |
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| 05:53.53 | Jaami | cat /etc/debian_version --> 8.7 |
| 05:54.30 | oneand0 | Jaami: I think its just a permissons issue, If this was working before and just "stopped" ... could indicate a filesystem error, corrupted file etc ...just something random.. |
| 05:54.53 | Jaami | hmm, ok |
| 05:55.04 | Jaami | so, how to reeboot |
| 05:55.37 | Jaami | should i poweroff from powerbutton? |
| 05:55.41 | oneand0 | change to root and do the needful |
| 05:55.44 | oneand0 | no |
| 05:55.47 | Jaami | oh ok |
| 05:56.00 | oneand0 | login to teminal as root and shutdown ... or poweroff |
| 05:56.42 | Jaami | yes, so i will reboot and logon with root and then reboot again and use other loging. that should fix things. oh yes upgrade too |
| 05:57.47 | Jaami | oneand0: thanks a lot. i hope your suggestion will work |
| 05:58.26 | oneand0 | Jaami: you could just "su -" |
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| 06:00.44 | NoCode | https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-secure-apache-with-let-s-encrypt-on-debian-8 -- Is this guide okay to use to install/ use certbot with Debian 8? |
| 06:00.50 | expert975 | Can I get some help with pulseaudio please? |
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| 06:03.08 | oneand0 | NoCode: ... i use another Letsencrypt client but, the guide you linked looks about right |
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| 06:04.28 | NoCode | oneand0, Cool, thanks. Is there any reason you're using the client you use? |
| 06:05.47 | oneand0 | NoCode: just a personal preference, I use a ... distribtuted container type setup... https://github.com/Neilpang/acme.sh is my client |
| 06:08.18 | expert975 | Frustration! I'm almost considering getting back to Windows... |
| 06:08.28 | NoCode | oneand0, Thanks. Think I'll just use the regular certbot. :) |
| 06:08.45 | NoCode | expert975, I hope not! |
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| 06:09.19 | expert975 | NoCode: I can't find how to solve the problem I'm having... |
| 06:09.28 | expert975 | NoCode: All seems so broken... |
| 06:09.38 | oneand0 | expert975: Id start here https://wiki.debian.org/PulseAudio ... |
| 06:10.10 | NoCode | expert975, Instead of asking to ask a question. Why not just ask the question. Someone might poke at it. |
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| 06:10.40 | expert975 | NoCode: Done a few times, got ignored |
| 06:11.39 | expert975 | I used to play music on my loudspeakers and listen to the game sound on my monitor through HDMI. Now the analog output doesn't work anymore, as pulseaudio seems to restart everytime I set any audio to it, spamming syslog. |
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| 06:14.44 | NoCode | expert975, No idea. Usually when if I have issues, I usually just "killall pulseaudio" and alt+F2 and type "pulseaudio -D" to start it back up. |
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| 06:16.22 | expert975 | NoCode: pulseaudio seems to work fine on the HDMI output, it just shits itself when I try to use my other device |
| 06:16.38 | expert975 | NoCode: also working fine on bluethooth speaker |
| 06:17.57 | pingfloyd | expert975: did you try playing with pavucontrol? |
| 06:18.05 | pingfloyd | and how does it shit itself? |
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| 06:18.23 | expert975 | pingfloyd: yes |
| 06:18.27 | pingfloyd | details about it shitting itself please |
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| 06:19.32 | expert975 | pingfloyd: It seems to restart the daemon anytime the output device is set to my loudspeaker and an application tries to output audio |
| 06:20.06 | expert975 | pingfloyd: lots of spam on the syslog, if it helps |
| 06:20.30 | pingfloyd | probably be a good idea to pastebin some of that |
| 06:20.56 | expert975 | Just a minute |
| 06:21.05 | pingfloyd | no rush |
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| 06:25.25 | expert975 | pingfloyd: syslog gets all that: https://pastebin.com/qsucfFbC |
| 06:26.11 | expert975 | pingfloyd: rythmbox says: "pa_stream_writable_size() failed: connection terminated" |
| 06:26.34 | expert975 | "Failed to open device" |
| 06:26.51 | Jaami | hi, reboot and upgrade worked for GUI shutdown and restart but terminal still shows bash error on those commands. |
| 06:27.33 | Jaami | i think i should not play with path and keep using GUI |
| 06:29.09 | Jaami | my question leaving doubts with me. how could things go wrong without any update or install. |
| 06:31.31 | expert975 | pingfloyd: all this happens whenever I try to interact with the audio device (e.g. play sounds, change volume) |
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| 06:32.09 | expert975 | pingfloyd: it was working fine before. No why it got mad |
| 06:32.20 | expert975 | pingfloyd: I'm using Debian unstable |
| 06:32.30 | pingfloyd | expert975: strange. Seen this? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=156057 |
| 06:32.50 | pingfloyd | it's probably a bug then |
| 06:32.54 | pingfloyd | since you're using unstable |
| 06:33.58 | pingfloyd | for that, you probably want to check sid's bug mailing list |
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| 06:34.08 | pingfloyd | and post a bug report if there isn't one already |
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| 06:36.59 | expert975 | pingfloyd: I only have one user in the system. |
| 06:37.28 | expert975 | pingfloyd: Can I open an issue without knowing what package is broken? |
| 06:40.23 | pingfloyd | chances are pretty good there is already a bug report for it |
| 06:40.39 | expert975 | pingfloyd: where can I find a mailing list? |
| 06:40.46 | pingfloyd | you've got to expect things to break all the time in sid |
| 06:41.25 | pingfloyd | https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 06:41.26 | expert975 | pingfloyd: for me sid seems less broken than jessie |
| 06:41.39 | pingfloyd | why do you feel that way? |
| 06:41.53 | pingfloyd | jessie is so trouble free for me |
| 06:42.22 | expert975 | pingfloyd: proprietary drivers, maybe? Noveau freezes in less than 10min around here |
| 06:43.00 | pingfloyd | I'm using AMD |
| 06:43.51 | pingfloyd | ATI |
| 06:43.55 | expert975 | pingfloyd: Is noveau only for nvidia? |
| 06:44.01 | pingfloyd | yeah |
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| 06:44.08 | pingfloyd | it's the open driver for nvidia |
| 06:44.21 | pingfloyd | I'm not really sure of the caveats with nvidia though |
| 06:44.31 | pingfloyd | but I'm sure plenty here or in ##linux are |
| 06:45.08 | pingfloyd | the "nvidia" should be the proprietary one though |
| 06:45.48 | expert975 | Yes, it is |
| 06:45.55 | pingfloyd | did you see this? https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 06:46.29 | expert975 | Yeah, I've been through that one, video is working fine for now |
| 06:46.33 | pingfloyd | I think if you use the proprietary ones you have to make sure you blacklist nouveau |
| 06:46.41 | pingfloyd | and maybe also use nomodeset |
| 06:47.06 | pingfloyd | same vice versa |
| 06:47.14 | expert975 | Nvidia driver says it does that after the first reboot |
| 06:47.34 | expert975 | What would happen if I had both? |
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| 06:50.33 | expert975 | pingfloyd: This is I don't even know how to report this bug... seems so specific, not sure how to reproduce |
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| 06:51.06 | expert975 | *Thing is |
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| 07:00.59 | expert975 | Oh, I'm not using sid, I'm using strecth |
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| 07:03.43 | NoCode | installed certbot and also solved an issue with dovecot it seems. It was complaining that I did not have apt-utils installed. Installed it, went to upgrade again and no errors! That's my wtf moment for tonight I guess. |
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| 07:21.23 | expert975 | Why does Alt+F4 switches to tty4? Not fun. |
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| 07:26.14 | somiaj | expert975: is this from xorg? Sure you aren't hitting ctrl-alt-f4? |
| 07:26.32 | somiaj | but in terminals that is default behavior for alt-f4 |
| 07:26.46 | somiaj | well consoles |
| 07:27.36 | expert975 | somiaj: Xorg, yes. My finger is clear from the ctrl button |
| 07:28.03 | pityu | Hi 2 All !!! Q: Has anyone know good ncurses based internet radio player ?! tnx |
| 07:28.09 | expert975 | Debian, Xorg, Gnome |
| 07:28.13 | somiaj | that is odd, the ctrl button isn't stuck down or something strange. |
| 07:28.24 | somiaj | because what you are describing is standard for ctrl-alt-f4 |
| 07:28.42 | expert975 | shift+V does not paste onto the gnome-console |
| 07:28.48 | expert975 | *gnome-terminal |
| 07:28.50 | somiaj | pityu: mpv can play streams from the command line, would that work. |
| 07:29.31 | expert975 | alt+F4 closes the current window and switches to tty4 |
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| 07:30.24 | pityu | somiaj: tnx , i know that im using it that way but wish some features like vu meter and similar stuff |
| 07:31.24 | somiaj | expert975: does alt-f2 switch to tty2 as well? |
| 07:32.13 | expert975 | somiaj: Xorg is at tty2, so nothing happens. Alt+F3 switches to tty3 |
| 07:32.43 | somiaj | I get various hits of people having a similar issue in google, but no exact cause. many say a reboot happens |
| 07:32.57 | somiaj | have you rebooted recentally, does it go back to normal if you restart? |
| 07:33.16 | somiaj | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/59949/centos-avoid-that-alt-f4-switches-to-console |
| 07:33.30 | expert975 | somiaj, rebooting will probably solve |
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| 07:33.51 | somiaj | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=197637 |
| 07:33.57 | expert975 | does gnu/linux has annoyng sticky keys like windows? |
| 07:34.00 | somiaj | also found a ubuntu thread, all similar issues, but not exact solution. |
| 07:34.28 | somiaj | do you use lightdm? |
| 07:35.32 | expert975 | somiaj: gdm3, I suppose |
| 07:35.53 | somiaj | anyways I see various people ahve that issue, only thing in common I see is a reboot fixes it. |
| 07:36.18 | expert975 | "From time to time, the problem repeats. It vanishes with a restart. I still don't know why". Seems to be it |
| 07:37.26 | expert975 | somiaj: 10 magic |
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| 07:52.52 | DoctorD90 | guys, I installed from netinst last nigth. efi, boot, root(enc), home(enc), swap(enc). it failed to install grub. it asked me about removable media. In nith case (yes/no) it failed to install grub. Any suggestions :)? |
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| 07:54.15 | expert975 | DoctorD90: did it say why it failed? |
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| 07:58.22 | DoctorD90 | expert975: i was sleeping xD btw it says if fails to install grub. Progress bar said "grub-install dummy" next "update-grub" and at 50% of progress it fails saying impoosible to install grub |
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| 07:59.04 | DoctorD90 | the bad stuff that come in mind, it would be I created "boot" partition but I didnt use "mount as /boot" |
| 07:59.24 | DoctorD90 | because installer is a little bugged, and I report bug yet |
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| 08:01.13 | DoctorD90 | issue was that this is my first efi system, so I didnt know if partition scheme was right |
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| 08:22.03 | Zauberfisch | good day |
| 08:22.27 | Zauberfisch | I wish to replace sendmail on a test box with something that just logs all sent emails |
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| 08:22.56 | Zauberfisch | I see that /usr/sbin/sendmail links to /usr/sbin/exim4 |
| 08:23.32 | Zauberfisch | Is it safe to just replace that link to /opt/foo/bar? |
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| 08:42.12 | vinz33 | hello. Sorry, i don't speak english very well i am french... :( I come here in order to find help. In fact, i don't arrive to finish the debian installation on my new laptop. The problem is Grub and i need to keep it. It seems to come from the fact that /dev/sda is replaced by /dev/nvme... Is there someone who could give me some help please ? |
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| 09:06.49 | OtakuSenpai | when i connect my android phone to my usb in laptop and select connection via tethering |
| 09:07.18 | OtakuSenpai | how do i determine which usb port is connected to the phone |
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| 09:07.45 | OtakuSenpai | i hav selected usb1 in the settings i want to change,but |
| 09:08.04 | OtakuSenpai | i want to know a definite way to know which usb is connected to my phone |
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| 09:28.37 | OtakuSenpai | guys? |
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| 09:30.10 | OtakuSenpai | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:30.32 | OtakuSenpai | how do i know what usb device my smartphone is connected to? |
| 09:30.56 | blackflow | OtakuSenpai: lsusb |
| 09:31.05 | NoxiousPluK | lsusb -t |
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| 09:32.01 | OtakuSenpai | i cant understanf which one it is |
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| 09:32.46 | NoxiousPluK | first check lsusb |
| 09:32.51 | NoxiousPluK | then note the device id and such |
| 09:32.55 | NoxiousPluK | then do lsusb -t |
| 09:32.57 | NoxiousPluK | compare the values |
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| 09:59.28 | FinalX | almost |
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| 10:19.46 | rizonz | when I create a perl package form cpan that is also in perl-modules and I want to install it I get the following error: https://pastebin.com/a8kp8eUL |
| 10:19.51 | rizonz | is there a way to get it installed as cpan updates the perl module without any issue |
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| 10:23.06 | blackflow | rizonz: I don't know perl, but if it's anything like python, then you can't combine debian perl packages with cpan in the same system area |
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| 10:23.42 | rizonz | blackflow: with cpan you can combine |
| 10:24.24 | blackflow | not under /usr |
| 10:24.45 | rizonz | why / |
| 10:24.46 | blackflow | maybe you can install locally under ~/ yes, and use those modules along with debian packaged ones |
| 10:25.04 | rizonz | not that I know |
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| 10:25.41 | rizonz | blackflow: cpan itself updates them as well |
| 10:25.47 | blackflow | thing is, if you install under system area it may collide with debian packaged files |
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| 10:26.07 | rizonz | blackflow: cpan does it itself |
| 10:26.11 | rizonz | so that works |
| 10:26.20 | blackflow | okay, so you don't have a problem then. carry on :) |
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| 10:27.13 | BluesKaj | 'Morning folks |
| 10:27.19 | rizonz | blackflow: the issue, the package manager sees it in the modules package and doesn't want to install it |
| 10:27.38 | blackflow | you mean...... they collide? :D |
| 10:27.50 | blackflow | dpkg and cpan installed files |
| 10:27.51 | dpkg | blackflow: are you using Windows? |
| 10:27.52 | rizonz | yap |
| 10:28.05 | rizonz | but I'm pretty fine if it can override them |
| 10:28.07 | blackflow | but I thought you said "so that works" |
| 10:28.43 | rizonz | from cpan yes, cpan just overwrites the files but I create deb packages out of it |
| 10:28.58 | blackflow | rizonz: I'll just go back to what I originally said, as I don't know more about perl. if cpan installs the files in the same paths as debian packages, they will collide and you must not do that unless you want borkage. |
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| 10:29.14 | blackflow | if you did that and got borkage, there you go. |
| 10:29.27 | rizonz | I need to find out what is in perl-modules |
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| 10:30.10 | blackflow | rizonz: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/all/perl-modules-5.24/filelist |
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| 10:30.45 | blackflow | adjust for your version of debian |
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| 10:31.35 | rizonz | blackflow: meh I'm on 16.04 there is still 5.22 in it |
| 10:31.48 | blackflow | well... this is #debian |
| 10:31.50 | rizonz | yeah I installt hem manually |
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| 10:32.10 | blackflow | rizonz: but I'll be nice: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/all/perl-modules-5.22/filelist |
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| 10:33.01 | rizonz | blackflow: thanks! |
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| 10:33.08 | blackflow | I'm a python dev, and python makes no separation. using pip or easy_install to install from pypi (python's version of cpan), as root, will pollute the system python libs and collide with packaged ones, so it's a big no-no. that's why python has virtualenvs. |
| 10:33.32 | blackflow | if cpan does the same (installs under system paths like packaged modules), it'll lead to breakage and grief. |
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| 11:20.19 | ksk | Good day to you workers. |
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| 11:21.32 | ksk | Can you suggest any lightweight http performance testing tools? I trieg "siege" but am not too happy with it yet. |
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| 11:25.35 | ksk | I found https://github.com/denji/awesome-http-benchmark - should be something in for me. thanks. |
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| 11:30.37 | nabblet | hi, during debian install i am asked for non-free drivers (for intel wireless cards). I downloaded http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-nonfree_0.43.tar.gz and unpacked it to a FAT pendrive. Pluggin in the pendrive and klick Yes has no effect though. |
| 11:31.21 | nabblet | I copied the requested ucode files into the pendrives root, renamed the zip and extracted zu to "firmware" - to no avail. |
| 11:31.27 | nabblet | What am I missing=? |
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| 11:40.06 | ksk | I never managed to add nonfreedrivers. I always used the alternate install cd then |
| 11:40.36 | ksk | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 11:40.55 | ksk | be aware it is "unofficial". |
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| 11:42.53 | nabblet | ksk: i am aware of that, but thought i should be getting by with providing that 3 files (2 for wifi, 1 for ethernet) |
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| 11:43.40 | nabblet | ksk: i don't get any feedback where the actual problem lies (pendrive not mounted, wrong filenames, wrong search directory...) |
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| 11:47.52 | blackflow | nabblet: does this help? https://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/03/14/missing-firmware-in-debian-learn-how-to-deal-with-the-problem/ |
| 11:50.52 | ksk | nabblet: I once was where you where, and since every bootup on real hardware is time consuming, I switched to using the unofficial media. Fell free to tell me if you got it working ;) |
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| 12:06.37 | nabblet | blackflow: no, that link does not help. That link shows how to get the firmware AFTER the install. |
| 12:08.20 | nabblet | everything points to the non-free unofficial CD images. :/ Is it really that hard to provided that files with an additional pendrive? |
| 12:08.51 | aypea[3] | nabblet: is it just firmware? |
| 12:09.46 | nabblet | yes |
| 12:09.50 | nabblet | aypea[3]: ^ |
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| 12:10.15 | aypea[3] | nabblet: copy the stuff directly to /lib/firmware, maintaining dir structure and try again. alt-f2 for a console |
| 12:10.46 | nabblet | aypea[3]: that's for an already installed system, correct? |
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| 12:11.15 | aypea[3] | nabblet: nah. installer should work the same. the dir structure works the same. |
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| 12:11.56 | nabblet | aypea[3]: oh interesting. I actually looked for it already but must have missed it then... |
| 12:12.14 | aypea[3] | nabblet: if the dir doesn't exist, make it :) |
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| 12:12.53 | ConsciousCreator | petn-randall: Thanks for replying to my question the other day re: battery level meter in Debian 8.0. I have checked the files in /sys/class/power_supply and I have not found anything in there that would indicate why the battery percentage in the Xfce meter is staying at the same level despite use of the Netbook on battery power for a number of hours, as the values in /sys/class/power_supply seem to just corroborate what the batt |
| 12:12.53 | ConsciousCreator | ery level meter is saying (i.e charge_full says 6200000, and charge_now says 620000 - i.e 100%, and the Xfce battery meter says "100%". Any ideas? |
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| 12:13.37 | ConsciousCreator | *charge_now says 6200000 |
| 12:15.44 | nabblet | blackflow: ksk aypea[3] gotta reboot. brb |
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| 12:23.19 | swulf-- | I'm getting 403 Forbidden errors for every file that i've tried in this part of debian snapshots: http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20140205T161935Z/pool/main/w/webkitgtk/ |
| 12:23.50 | swulf-- | But other timestamps going further back work |
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| 12:29.16 | swulf-- | Hmmm. Looks like its been removed on purpose. That kinda sucks.. |
| 12:29.53 | nabblet | blackflow: ksk aypea[3] copying the non-free firmware into to install usb stick won't work because it is read-only (probably owing to me using dd to burn the CD to the pendrive). |
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| 12:30.41 | aypea[3] | nabblet: where were you copying to exactly? |
| 12:31.44 | nabblet | /run/media/ben/Debian 8.7.1 amd64 1/firmware aypea[3] |
| 12:31.49 | nabblet | but it did not work |
| 12:32.21 | aypea[3] | nabblet: ah. sorry. start the installer and proceed up until the point where you would scan for network devices |
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| 12:32.44 | aypea[3] | nabblet: before you scan put in your pen drive, copy the files to /lib/firmware, then scan for devices |
| 12:33.54 | nabblet | huh? I have pendrive A with debian install on it, and pendrive B with the firmware files. |
| 12:34.16 | nabblet | How can I copy during the install? ctrl+shift+f1 to get to the shell? |
| 12:34.42 | aypea[3] | nabblet: I don't use graphical so dunno. go for text mode and hit alt-f2 |
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| 12:35.57 | nabblet | ok, gotta reboot... brb |
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| 12:43.38 | notch | aypea[3]: hi, i am the guy with the firmware-non free issue. IRC-ing from a different computer now. |
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| 12:45.01 | aypea[3] | notch: welcome back :) |
| 12:46.00 | notch | so: i have booted from the pen drive and was asked for the drivers. entered busybox/shell whatever it is. I have the following "firmware" folders: |
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| 12:46.54 | notch | cdrom/firmware; sys/class/firmware; sys/firmware; lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/firmware |
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| 12:47.59 | notch | aypea[3]: the only one looking remotely interesting is cdrom/firmware wich contains firmware-linx-free-3.3_all.deb |
| 12:48.10 | aypea[3] | notch: aha! :) |
| 12:48.20 | aypea[3] | notch: but that's just free. where's your non-free stuff? |
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| 12:48.54 | notch | aypea[3]: on a different pendrive. i see it in /dev but it is not mounted yet. |
| 12:49.15 | aypea[3] | notch: mount /dev/wotnot /mnt |
| 12:49.16 | notch | aypea[3]: also, /cdrom is read only so I won't be able to copy the non-free stuff over |
| 12:50.15 | aypea[3] | notch: that's ok |
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| 12:51.41 | notch | aypea[3]: aypea[3] mounting won't work... invalid argument |
| 12:51.48 | notch | i am in busybox fwiw |
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| 12:52.12 | aypea[3] | notch: erm. what filesystem on the pendrive? |
| 12:54.24 | notch | ooooohhhhhh.... FML..... ntfs X_x I was sure it was FAT. Well, back to square one :) |
| 12:54.37 | aypea[3] | notch: :) |
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| 13:03.25 | petn-randall | ConsciousCreator: That just means that the bugs isn't in the xfce battery meter, but either in the hardware or in the kernel drivers. Do you have a different OS on that device where the battery meter works? |
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| 13:05.54 | notch | aypea[3]: pendrive is now fat32 for sure. unplacked the firmware-nonfree_0.43.targ.gz root folder; maked a copy that with name "firmware" to be sure. copied the requested iwlwifi files into root folder of pendrive, firmware folder, firmware-nonfree ... still does not work as advertised :S |
| 13:07.42 | notch | aypea[3]: in dmesg i see that it fails to load the drivers it requested (iwlwifi-7260-9.ucode and rtl_nic/rtl8168g-3.fw) |
| 13:08.41 | aypea[3] | notch: use a paste site to show me the content of the tarball and your /lib/firmware dir |
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| 13:13.38 | ConsciousCreator | petn-randall: Yes, I have Windows 7 Starter on this netbook too...and, I think that the battery meter works just fine. Normally the battery meter works just fine under Debian too, but sometimes it plays up like this. I never "shutdown" my netbook. I always "suspend" it. So, might it be something to do with this fact? |
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| 13:14.48 | notch | aypea[3]: /lib/firmware of the install syste? |
| 13:15.04 | aypea[3] | notch: yup |
| 13:16.01 | notch | aypea[3]: I don't have that. so far i tried to put the firmware files in various places on the firmware-pendrive to make the autodetection work |
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| 13:16.27 | aypea[3] | notch: don't bother with that. ok. so just show me the content of the tarball |
| 13:16.47 | aypea[3] | notch: and the dmesg msg |
| 13:18.14 | MaxLanar | Hi. I'm considering following stretch now for my debian desktop box. It seems to be a good time for doing so, stretch is freezed now right ? The risk for things to somehow break on my system should not be too hight, what do you think ? (in any case, of course, I will do a backup before attempting anything) |
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| 13:19.10 | notch | aypea[3]: http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-nonfree_0.43.tar.gz |
| 13:19.33 | aypea[3] | notch: ok. cool. dmesg? |
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| 13:20.23 | themill | MaxLanar: that's correct |
| 13:20.33 | notch | aypea[3]: gotta bridge the airgap for that (since the computer i try to install on has no internet) |
| 13:20.55 | aypea[3] | notch: ah. ok. |
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| 13:21.09 | aypea[3] | notch: can you type out the fw files it wants? |
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| 13:21.32 | aypea[3] | notch: is it iwlwifi stuff? |
| 13:21.49 | notch | aypea[3]: iwlwifi-7260-9.ucode and iwlwifi-7260-8.ucode |
| 13:22.07 | notch | aypea[3]: i also tried to rename the provded files from the tar.gz to match the names exactly |
| 13:22.46 | aypea[3] | notch: ahhh |
| 13:23.01 | notch | aypea[3]: as in, i made copies and renamed them |
| 13:23.14 | aypea[3] | notch: ok. cd /tmp |
| 13:23.33 | aypea[3] | notch: tar -xavf <path to tarball> |
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| 13:23.57 | aypea[3] | notch: mkdir /lib/firmware |
| 13:24.15 | aypea[3] | notch: cp -axv firmware-nonfree/iwlwifi/. /lib/firmware |
| 13:24.20 | notch | aypea[3]: interesting, in /tmp there already exists check-missing-firmware-dmesg.list that contains 2 lines with the iwlwifi stuff |
| 13:24.27 | aypea[3] | notch: try autodetection again |
| 13:24.37 | notch | aypea[3]: ok, gimme a sec |
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| 13:27.26 | petn-randall | ConsciousCreator: Does rebooting fix the issue? |
| 13:27.39 | notch | aypea[3]: didn't help. also cp -axv was not available in busybox. resorted to cp -r |
| 13:28.17 | notch | aypea[3]: now i have /lib/firmware/iwlwifi/<all those iwlwifi.ucode files> |
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| 13:30.50 | aypea[3] | notch: nonono |
| 13:30.56 | aypea[3] | notch: that dot was important :) |
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| 13:31.23 | notch | aypea[3]: ah, so you want it all to be one level "up" |
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| 13:31.52 | aypea[3] | notch: aye. that's how it is on my laptop :) |
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| 13:31.58 | Haloho | anyone here knows about brute force WPS pin Limited rate AP ? thx |
| 13:32.00 | notch | aypea[3]: whoop! that worked! |
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| 13:32.08 | aypea[3] | notch: woohoo :) |
| 13:33.14 | notch | aypea[3]: nice, worked the same way for the second interface (realtek) too |
| 13:33.27 | aypea[3] | notch: awesome :) |
| 13:33.38 | notch | aypea[3]: thank you. |
| 13:33.52 | aypea[3] | notch: glad to have (successfully :) helped :) |
| 13:34.13 | notch | aypea[3]: how did you find out. for me there are 1000 ways to do that and all look equally promising (as in renaming files, moving them around, etc) |
| 13:34.30 | notch | don't know how long it would have taken me to acutally mkdir /lib/firmware |
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| 13:35.32 | aypea[3] | notch: I've done this before. I figured the installer was a linux system and if linux wants stuff in /lib/firmware... well, I can oblige it :) |
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| 13:36.53 | aypea[3] | notch: if the pretty stuff doesn't work out you can always get dirty and try it. the live installer system is ephemeral. you can't break it permanently. |
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| 13:41.58 | notch | aypea[3]: sure, but I wonder how long it would have taken me to actually try this specific thing. |
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| 13:43.40 | notch | aypea[3]: for the record (didnt try it though) http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=116584 last comment |
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| 13:44.53 | aypea[3] | notch: interesting. similar but different. |
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| 13:51.11 | janneke | trying to install latest debian stretch in qemu... |
| 13:51.50 | janneke | can someone give me a valid main stanza apt/sources.list ? |
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| 13:52.08 | somiaj | !stretch sources.list |
| 13:52.08 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 13:52.14 | janneke | networking failed during instalalation, and there's no example. |
| 13:52.30 | janneke | dpkg: thanks! |
| 13:52.30 | dpkg | janneke: bitte |
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| 14:00.13 | notch | blackflow: ksk in case you did not follow here is the workaround: when you are asked for the drivers, press alt+f2 to enter busybox shell; mkdir /lib/firmware; mount the pendrive with the firmware files; copy the required files to /lib/firmware; pess alt+f1 to return to the installer and let it search again. |
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| 14:03.00 | Haloho | how to knowing eight digits pin of PBC mode of WPS? thx |
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| 14:26.09 | jhutchins_wk | Haloho: You ask the person who configured it. |
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| 14:30.50 | Kaylas_web | hi |
| 14:31.06 | Kaylas_web | i have a issue with set up a pxe server with debian 8 live cd |
| 14:31.27 | Kaylas_web | i've set correctly the pxe server and work properly, but debian won't start |
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| 14:32.31 | Cerebr0 | What's your bootloader ? grub ? |
| 14:32.40 | Kaylas_web | i don't have bootloader |
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| 14:32.54 | Kaylas_web | the debian won't work starting from pxe, this is the default file http://paste.debian.net/930220/ |
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| 14:34.12 | Kaylas_web | Cerebr0: i don't use grub atm |
| 14:34.19 | Cerebr0 | Don't have enough knowledge to answer you sorry |
| 14:34.28 | Kaylas_web | np, anyone? |
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| 14:35.52 | ConsciousCreator | petn-randall: Sometimes rebooting fixes the issue. But, it's very inconvenient for me to reboot because I have my work environment all set up, and I don't like to have to re-setup every time I reboot. is there any way to do a re-initialisation of the battery power level component? |
| 14:36.49 | ConsciousCreator | petn-randall: ...so that the component of the kernel that performs the battery level detection gets re-initialised? |
| 14:37.08 | ConsciousCreator | petn-randall: ...without crashing the system, if possible :-) |
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| 14:37.31 | Bent0 | Where the hell do I get Squeeze packages still |
| 14:37.43 | Bent0 | I need php-curl and libcurl3 for 6.0.6 Squeeze |
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| 14:39.16 | themill | Bent0: squeeze hasn't had any support for well over a year now and so it's not on the mirror network |
| 14:39.21 | themill | dpkg: tell Bent0 about squeeze-lts |
| 14:39.27 | Bent0 | Yeh this is a stipid old box |
| 14:39.35 | Bent0 | Will be gone soon but for now I need to install php5-curl :P |
| 14:39.41 | themill | (but really, it's time to upgrade to a supported release, especially if you're touching php) |
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| 14:40.35 | Kaylas_web | anyone can help me with pxe settings? |
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| 14:43.57 | Bent0 | meh ok |
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| 14:51.23 | jhutchins_wk | Kaylas_web: Ask your actual question, with as much detail as you have. |
| 14:51.45 | Kaylas_web | jhutchins_wk: tell me what do you need |
| 14:52.00 | Kaylas_web | i've already asked my questions |
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| 14:53.04 | jhutchins_wk | !pxe |
| 14:53.04 | dpkg | Pre-boot eXecution Environment (PXE) is a network boot protocol. A <TFTP> server with tsize support (such as tftpd-hpa, atftpd, dnsmasq) is required for PXE. See also <pxelinux>, <netboot>, <ipxe>. |
| 14:53.11 | Kaylas_web | short version: i've setup the pxe server, i'm trying to configuring debian8 live for boot it and it not work |
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| 14:53.36 | jhutchins_wk | Kaylas_web: I used the LTSP project to set up mine. |
| 14:53.48 | DammitJim | not sure where I can ask this question, but is there a way to search 2 lines in a file for strings? |
| 14:54.06 | DammitJim | say, line 1 is expected to contain the word START and line 2 the word END |
| 14:54.23 | DammitJim | actually, not line 1 and line 2, but "consecutive" lines in a file |
| 14:54.43 | Kaylas_web | jhutchins_wk: the pxe server work properly, but when the grub is loaded, it will not start |
| 14:54.43 | naptastic | DammitJim, as in, you want the range of lines between the line containing START and the line containing END? |
| 14:55.03 | Kaylas_web | i'm tryng to add "verbose nosplash" to display the errors but don't work |
| 14:55.10 | DammitJim | so, now that I think about it (I was trying to simplify my question)... |
| 14:55.27 | DammitJim | well, first, is this the right channel to ask for something like this? Or should I go somewhere else? |
| 14:56.03 | naptastic | DammitJim, you're probably going to want to use sed, and I can't think of a better channel to ask. :) |
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| 14:56.08 | naptastic | but try |
| 14:56.33 | naptastic | sed '/START/,/END/p' file |
| 14:57.12 | DammitJim | so, the sed channel |
| 14:57.12 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 14:57.25 | naptastic | (does such a thing even exist?) |
| 14:57.39 | DammitJim | My example is as follows for a file... <timestamp> START |
| 14:57.39 | naptastic | huh... indeed it does. TIL. |
| 14:57.43 | DammitJim | <timestamp> END |
| 14:58.06 | DammitJim | I want to find instances where only <timestamp> START is found and the following line does NOT have <timestamp> END |
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| 14:58.40 | naptastic | mmm |
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| 14:58.43 | Kaylas_web | DammitJim: use python to do that? |
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| 14:58.51 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 14:58.54 | naptastic | yeah, that's the point at which I'd reach for my favorite scripting language. |
| 14:58.54 | DammitJim | I'll go to #python |
| 14:58.57 | DammitJim | you guys are the best! |
| 14:58.58 | jelly | this can be done in any scripting language |
| 14:59.05 | Kaylas_web | is realy easy to do |
| 14:59.13 | DammitJim | ok, cool |
| 14:59.14 | jelly | awk, perl, python, sed probably |
| 14:59.22 | DammitJim | I think I was being lazy trying to use "bash" |
| 14:59.34 | jelly | you can do it in bash as well |
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| 15:00.48 | Kaylas_web | ^ quote but is not realy easy compared to python (for me) |
| 15:00.52 | jelly | go over line input, remember the previous line and do a test for current line when the previous one matches whatever it needs to match |
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| 15:01.06 | DammitJim | si |
| 15:01.33 | jelly | "remember the previous line" probably comes after the test. |
| 15:02.15 | DammitJim | right |
| 15:02.17 | DammitJim | got it |
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| 15:04.06 | DammitJim | wow, this gets complicated quickly |
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| 15:05.53 | styks1987 | should I replace the .debian.pool with 0.us.pool for ntp config or do I leave those and just add the us pool? |
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| 15:09.04 | jhutchins_wk | styks1987: Why? |
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| 15:09.34 | styks1987 | jhutchins_wk: I am having a problem where my time goes out of sync after about 75 days |
| 15:09.45 | styks1987 | I thought getting better pool would fix that? |
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| 15:11.01 | styks1987 | This like makes me think I need to ad my own servers near me? Or does 0.debian.pool handle that? |
| 15:11.07 | styks1987 | âYou do need to talk to an NTP server or two (or three)." |
| 15:11.08 | jelly | styks1987: how much out of sync does it go? What does "ntpq -p" say whne that happens? |
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| 15:11.24 | jelly | styks1987: which ntp daemon are you using? |
| 15:12.02 | styks1987 | jelly: it was out by about 5 minutes. |
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| 15:13.19 | abrotman | styks1987: what is your time daemon (if you have one) and how are you checking the time is out? |
| 15:13.25 | styks1987 | jelly: ntpq 4.2.6p5@1.2349-o |
| 15:13.44 | abrotman | styks1987: but do you have ntpd installed and runing? |
| 15:13.49 | abrotman | or chrony, or anything? |
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| 15:14.09 | styks1987 | abrotman: yes, ntp is installed, that is how I resynced the time too |
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| 15:14.25 | styks1987 | it is running |
| 15:14.31 | jelly | styks1987: that does not look like output of "ntpq -p" |
| 15:14.46 | styks1987 | jelly: correct, that was the version |
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| 15:15.03 | styks1987 | jelly: what did you want from -p ? I donât want to paste it all |
| 15:15.08 | jelly | !paste |
| 15:15.08 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 15:15.11 | jelly | everything. |
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| 15:15.35 | styks1987 | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/plain/930228 |
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| 15:18.41 | jelly | looks ok-ish now |
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| 15:20.29 | styks1987 | ok thanks |
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| 15:22.03 | jelly | apart from some crap in the pool, 2 out of 4 servers you got seem not to be good enough |
| 15:22.18 | jelly | styks1987: is this a virtual machine? |
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| 15:22.28 | chachasmooth | how to show all packages which I have installed from a specific repository? |
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| 15:22.55 | themill | chachasmooth: there is no definitive way as that information is not recorded. |
| 15:22.58 | themill | !which repo |
| 15:22.59 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try https://www.palfrader.org/gitweb/?p=tools/weaselutils.git;a=blob_plain;f=apt-listrepository or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list> |
| 15:23.31 | chachasmooth | hmm :/ |
| 15:23.38 | themill | !wayttd |
| 15:23.38 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
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| 15:25.14 | chachasmooth | I have added a 3rd party repo quite a while ago and explicitly want to specify now which packages might get installed from this repo (via a preferences file) |
| 15:25.24 | chachasmooth | but I don't remember which package I did install from that 3rd party repo |
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| 15:27.21 | themill | chachasmooth: is it still in your sources.list? |
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| 15:34.52 | chachasmooth | yup |
| 15:35.03 | chachasmooth | themill ^ |
| 15:35.24 | themill | so what dpkg said should work, then grep the output |
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| 15:35.33 | themill | apt-list-versions might even work if you're lucky |
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| 15:39.30 | chachasmooth | apt-list-versions? |
| 15:41.28 | styks1987 | jelly: yes |
| 15:41.40 | styks1987 | jelly: linode |
| 15:42.31 | themill | chachasmooth: s/list/show/ |
| 15:42.45 | jelly | styks1987: ask your provider what's the correct way to use a local ntp daemon and keep time in sync |
| 15:43.02 | jelly | virtualized environments can be... tricky for ntpd |
| 15:43.21 | styks1987 | jelly: cool thanks for the advice! |
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| 15:43.36 | styks1987 | I now remember seeing something about virtaul machines and ntp |
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| 15:44.05 | newbie123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.30 | jelly | and that's not even taking into account possible whole VM suspending and resuming without the guest OS knowing |
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| 15:45.31 | Archangel | jelly: What is a daemon ? |
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| 15:45.39 | blaman | anyone here with an eee pc 701? |
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| 15:46.40 | jelly | newbie123: you installed and configured a local firewall (iptables wrapper), UFW it seems, and it added some rules to iptables that make it log certain traffic |
| 15:47.36 | jelly | Archangel: hmm. https://www.google.com/search?q=unix+daemon |
| 15:47.49 | newbie123 | jelly, I thought my router/firewall is not doing its job ... So there's nothing to worry about ? |
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| 15:48.53 | jelly | newbie123: I have no idea what kinds of rules you have, what they're meant to accomplish, and so it's hard to say whether you should worry or not. |
| 15:49.24 | newbie123 | jelly, I have default deny in ...and allow out |
| 15:51.50 | chachasmooth | themill thanks, the command from dpkg helped |
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| 15:52.23 | themill | np |
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| 17:03.49 | basic6_ | how can xrdp connect to another (v)rdp server? |
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| 17:04.20 | jhutchins_wk | !rdp |
| 17:04.20 | dpkg | The proprietary Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) is used to connect to systems running Microsoft Remote Desktop Services (formerly Terminal Services), providing features similar to <VNC>. RDP clients packaged for Debian include <freerdp>, <rdesktop>, <remmina> and <tsclient>. For a RDP server, ask me about <xrdp>. |
| 17:04.51 | jhutchins_wk | basic6_: You need a client to connect to a server. |
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| 17:14.20 | basic6_ | jhutchins_wk: i think my question wasn't clear. of course, i have a client, remmina for example. using this client, i can connect to the xrdp server on system a (debian). xrdp shows a list of target services like vnc (which works although too slow to be useful)... |
| 17:14.52 | basic6_ | now, there's another rdp server running (vrdp). xrdp should connect to this other rdp server when i select something in that list |
| 17:15.28 | jhutchins_wk | basic6_: I know of no server-to-server or relay protocols available for rdp, but that could just be ignorance. |
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| 17:17.02 | basic6_ | ok, maybe i'm in the wrong channel. i'll ask in #xrdp |
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| 17:18.45 | jhutchins_wk | basic6_: If you can't reach the second server because of network settings, you could establish an ssh tunnel on the first server. |
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| 17:21.09 | basic6_ | jhutchins_wk: it has nothing to do with network settings |
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| 17:22.21 | basic6_ | when i connect to the xrdp server, it shows a login screen, with a list (connection to establish) and some fields (user, password). from there, it should be possible to connect to some other rdp server. |
| 17:22.48 | jhutchins_wk | basic6_: Why not just connect to the other server in the first place? |
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| 17:23.12 | jhutchins_wk | If you think VNC is slow, relaying it would be even slower. |
| 17:23.40 | ForceRecon | is this channel for mediocre hacking... |
| 17:23.45 | ForceRecon | I think not |
| 17:24.41 | ForceRecon | basic6.. what are you actually trying to accomplish |
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| 17:26.06 | basic6_ | ForceRecon: exactly what i wrote. i want to connect to another rdp server (it's a vrdp service) from the xrdp login screen. |
| 17:27.10 | ForceRecon | give me 3 minutes.. reboot.. tv from windows to linux a bitch.. will help.. sad sorruy |
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| 17:40.21 | ForceRecon | back// soab |
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| 17:41.25 | ForceRecon | I am getting very sick of a good laptop utilizing some old architecture, that has wireless issues and utilizing external usb antennae.. linux mint is great.. but getting things to function .. wow.. |
| 17:41.35 | ForceRecon | okay basic6 ... lets talk |
| 17:41.38 | ForceRecon | sorry for the delay |
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| 17:43.37 | basic6_ | linux and wireless? :) |
| 17:43.46 | basic6_ | ok, about xrdp... |
| 17:44.46 | basic6_ | i have an xrdp server (on a debian box) running. when i connect to it, its "login screen" has a list where i'm supposed to select the system i want to connect to. |
| 17:44.46 | ForceRecon | okay so most people would say that.. you should read something |
| 17:44.52 | ForceRecon | http://www.xrdp.org/ |
| 17:45.00 | ForceRecon | I don't want to be that person |
| 17:45.23 | ForceRecon | okay and |
| 17:46.08 | abrotman | basic6_: what is the question? |
| 17:46.13 | basic6_ | and i have found information online (sorry don't remember if it was on xrdp.org) how to do that. namely, you're supposed to specify librdp.so in the xrdp.ini file |
| 17:47.01 | basic6_ | which i did. and when i select that connection and hit ok, the whole session crashes and remmina (client i'm using to connect to xrdp) can't connect to anything else until restarted. |
| 17:47.34 | basic6_ | so my approach is probably wrong which is why i asked how to get xrdp connected to another rdp server (abrotman that's my question) |
| 17:47.34 | ForceRecon | don't feel like what I am telling you is to get you out of my hair.. however, I need to get a feel for what is going on and i need to make sure you have tested all avenues |
| 17:47.37 | ForceRecon | https://askubuntu.com/questions/133343/how-do-i-set-up-xrdp-session-that-reuses-an-existing-session |
| 17:47.58 | ForceRecon | take a look there.. I am assuuming you ahve already.. |
| 17:47.59 | jelly | ForceRecon: that xdrp.org is an "It works!" blank page! Don't be that person. |
| 17:48.13 | ForceRecon | hey jelly |
| 17:48.29 | ForceRecon | let me go through the process so I know where we are |
| 17:48.57 | basic6_ | ForceRecon: that question you've linked is about vnc (how to connect from xrdp to a vnc server), but i want to connect to an rdp server instead |
| 17:49.03 | ForceRecon | if you want to jump in half cocked so be it.. I am tryingh to understand what he did, what hes seen and how to progress |
| 17:49.07 | jelly | part of the process is: you don't have to help with things you have no idea about |
| 17:49.10 | basic6_ | i can show you my config, that will probably help |
| 17:49.58 | ForceRecon | okay jelly you are so awesome and so well rounded without any information.. go ahead by brother |
| 17:50.52 | ForceRecon | its called basics jelly.. its like my pc is not working.. did you check the plug.. start from 0 |
| 17:51.02 | basic6_ | jelly: do *you* have an idea about how to get xrdp connected to rdp? |
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| 17:51.36 | jelly | basic6_: no, I have no idea about xrdp |
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| 17:52.12 | basic6_ | then you might not be able to help get this thing figured out |
| 17:52.17 | jelly | which is why I'm not even trying to help with it, nor providing generic URLs |
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| 17:52.27 | basic6_ | ok |
| 17:52.55 | basic6_ | ForceRecon: i'm pretty much using the default xrdp.ini. this is the section that defines the "other rdp server": http://paste.debian.net/930244/ |
| 17:53.08 | basic6_ | of course, i would define a fixed ip and port if it worked |
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| 18:00.12 | basic6_ | so i'm still here and if it's not clear what i'm doing, please ask |
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| 18:01.18 | jelly | you want xrdp to be a rdp protocol proxy? |
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| 18:02.35 | basic6_ | jelly: yes. not a vnc proxy (which is probably what most people use it for) |
| 18:02.54 | jelly | why not just, you know, have a normal tcp proxy or tunnel to the real rdp server? |
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| 18:20.52 | basic6_ | sorry, looks like i got disconnected |
| 18:21.22 | jelly | basic6_: why not just have a tcp proxy or tunnel to the real rdp server? What's the actual goal? |
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| 18:22.52 | wongon | Not sure where to ask this, but how do I search github or any public repo for code examples? |
| 18:22.56 | basic6_ | jelly: i've said that already. i want xrdp as relay to connect to other rdp servers. |
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| 18:24.46 | jelly | basic6_: okay, but why? |
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| 18:25.28 | jelly | basic6_: what's the added value as opposed to just exposing the rdp server behind? |
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| 18:27.32 | jelly | if it's just a matter of network access, setting up a tunnel is easy with ssh or iptables or a userspace tcp proxy like redir |
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| 18:39.38 | basic6_ | jelly: sorry i'm not debating now why i want to use such a program. |
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| 18:40.33 | basic6_ | i've said that i want to use it as relay to connect to one of several rdp servers and i'm trying to get it to work. so far, it doesn't work. |
| 18:41.14 | greycat | "I don't want to solve a problem. I want to use this tool. I'm trying to justify the existence of this tool. I'm selling this tool. Wanna buy a tool?" |
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| 18:43.39 | jelly | basic6_: fair enough |
| 18:43.54 | Azrael_- | i'm using cryptcat but if i use "tar cz <somefiles> | cryptcat -k <mypw> <target>" the transfer never ends. if i use "nc" i use the option "-q 0" but it seems like cryptcat doesn't support this. how can i properly use it? |
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| 18:44.58 | jelly | ,v cryptcat |
| 18:44.59 | judd | Package: cryptcat on amd64 -- wheezy: 20031202-4; jessie: 20031202-4; sid: 20031202-4+b2; stretch: 20031202-4+b2 |
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| 18:45.31 | jelly | that unchanging 2003 version doesn't strike confidence |
| 18:45.53 | jelly | Azrael_-: consider using pipes over ssh instead |
| 18:46.39 | jelly | or rsync over ssh |
| 18:47.10 | Azrael_- | i use such constructs to just quickly transfer some data between servers. i can't think of a fast way for pipes over ssh |
| 18:48.04 | jhutchins_wk | Azrael_-: I think your usage is wrong, the web page suggests that you need to run it on both servers, supply a port, and it suggests < vs | |
| 18:48.09 | basic6_ | greycat: i even wrote "such a program" instead of "xrdp". do you know an alternativ to xrdp that works better? do you have a better idea? |
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| 18:48.56 | Azrael_- | jhutchins: mind to share the page? |
| 18:49.25 | jolt | basic6_: To connect to a windows server? |
| 18:49.40 | Azrael_- | nm, found it |
| 18:49.41 | jhutchins_wk | Azrael_-: http://cryptcat.sourceforge.net/info.php |
| 18:49.53 | jhutchins_wk | Azrael_-: It should have a manpage. |
| 18:50.35 | Azrael_- | yes, it does, but the manpage is crap |
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| 18:51.19 | jelly | Azrael_-: if you're allowed ssh between servers, tar cf - files | ssh remote '(cd some/place; tar xf -)' |
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| 18:51.47 | basic6_ | jolt: no, in this case i'm trying to connect (from xrdp) to a vrdp server (= vbox rdp). but from xrdp's point of view, it should be identical to connecting to a windows rdp |
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| 18:52.42 | Azrael_- | jelly: thx for this example, looks nice but i'd have to always supply the password or set up keys for automatic login. both not what i really want |
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| 18:52.55 | jolt | basic6_: Ok, never done that I think |
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| 18:53.25 | jhutchins_wk | Azrael_-: I think the people who question the quality of the project are probably right. There are better methods. A bad manpage often means bad code as well. |
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| 18:54.31 | jhutchins_wk | Azrael_-: There are some serious security questions raised about it, and no update since 2013. |
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| 18:54.45 | Azrael_- | jhutchins: what a pity |
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| 18:55.50 | jhutchins_wk | Azrael_-: ssh is a much more robust tool for that task. |
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| 18:56.23 | Azrael_- | seems like i really has to resolv to ssh, thanks |
| 18:56.29 | Azrael_- | s/has/have |
| 18:57.03 | JPT | If you want some rdp/vnc stuff, you can always tunnel it through ssh. |
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| 18:57.47 | Azrael_- | JPT: i just want to quickly transfer data between server without much overhead |
| 18:58.10 | Azrael_- | s/server/servers damn, i'm too tired, already making too many mistakes |
| 19:00.17 | jhutchins_wk | Azrael_-: basic6_ is asking about relaying rdp. |
| 19:00.30 | jelly | Azrael_-: at $work we forbid or haveily discourage any ssh between servers, unless they're members of the same cluster and already have exact same data on them |
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| 19:06.47 | moony | I had to repair my disk yesterday (fsck /dev/sda6 # dualboot) due to orphaned inodes. Any idea why this would've happened? (Rough guesses are fine, i dont have much more info) |
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| 19:08.17 | teraflops | moony: faulty hw? power cut? |
| 19:08.33 | jhutchins_wk | moony: Yeah, most common cause is loss of power. |
| 19:08.36 | ForceRecon | off topic.. connecting to #debian and well anything else using hexchat over linux mint I am getting countless reconnects. However, with uh hexchat on windows 10 another account I am not getting any reconnects.,.. stable.. |
| 19:08.40 | moony | Power cut is likely, i have a laptop |
| 19:08.41 | ForceRecon | what the hell! |
| 19:09.39 | jhutchins_wk | ForceRecon: A valid question would be whether you're connecting to the same freenode server, and if you have the problem with servers on a different irc network like oftc.net |
| 19:10.01 | moony | Yea, thats the likely reason. Any good way to make my laptop shut down after it reaches a certain battery level? (after giving me some warning) |
| 19:10.04 | jhutchins_wk | ForceRecon: You could also try a different client. |
| 19:10.28 | jhutchins_wk | moony: Linux Power Management should do that. Have you installed the laptop task? |
| 19:10.34 | ForceRecon | Hey J! Yeah both machines are configured the same with the exception of the username.. |
| 19:10.42 | moony | Uh no i dont think so. Package name? |
| 19:11.11 | jhutchins_wk | !tasksel |
| 19:11.11 | dpkg | tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 19:11.14 | jolt | # |
| 19:11.20 | moony | ah |
| 19:11.26 | ForceRecon | chat.freenode.net/6697 |
| 19:11.32 | ForceRecon | both |
| 19:11.36 | jhutchins_wk | I think that might be <laptop task> |
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| 19:12.10 | jhutchins_wk | ForceRecon: Right, so try a different network. There are a bunch of different servers on freenode, that's the "relay" part of irc. |
| 19:12.40 | moony | wwait, would the debian installer choose a task based on hardware hints? (just checking) |
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| 19:12.45 | jhutchins_wk | ForceRecon: I'm on herbert, you're on kornbluth. |
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| 19:13.01 | jhutchins_wk | moony: Yes. It might also miss it. |
| 19:13.06 | moony | mk |
| 19:13.36 | jhutchins_wk | moony: Most of the desktops have an interface with the laptop power management tools. |
| 19:14.22 | ForceRecon | how do I specify the connection place? |
| 19:14.31 | moony | yea, dont want to be greeted by a suprise boot failure ever again. (luckily, dualboot means i can just boot into windows to get help) |
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| 19:14.38 | ForceRecon | or make sure I am on a specific locationm |
| 19:15.09 | jhutchins_wk | ForceRecon: You don't, you let the network's load balancing system do it's job. |
| 19:15.23 | moony | thanks for the tip, jhutchins_wk |
| 19:16.00 | ForceRecon | my alt is on barjavel.freenode.net :Paris, FR, EU |
| 19:16.09 | ForceRecon | no problems |
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| 19:16.48 | ForceRecon | force is on kornbluth.freenode.net :Frankfurt, Germany |
| 19:16.52 | ForceRecon | sigh |
| 19:17.26 | teraflops | ForceRecon: depends on the irc client |
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| 19:18.10 | ForceRecon | u got that right painful |
| 19:19.02 | ForceRecon | new goal: make sure it does what I want it to and connects where I want it to.. figure it out, will do |
| 19:19.48 | teraflops | ForceRecon: I can e.g /connect kornbluth.freenode.net |
| 19:19.55 | teraflops | by hand |
| 19:19.58 | jhutchins_wk | ForceRecon: Or you could allow the load balancing system to do it's job. |
| 19:20.22 | teraflops | jhutchins_wk: sometimes it fails |
| 19:20.23 | jelly | ForceRecon: HexChat -> Network List -> pick network, Edit... Servers + Add |
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| 19:20.32 | ForceRecon | for some reason on linux mint hexchat this does not seem to work well.. maybe change over to debian solid.. |
| 19:20.58 | teraflops | jhutchins_wk: I've noticed it several times when using ipv6 |
| 19:20.59 | jelly | wrong network for mint help anyway |
| 19:21.02 | jelly | !mint |
| 19:21.02 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 19:21.18 | jhutchins_wk | teraflops: That's more likely something in the transport chain than client or server. |
| 19:21.24 | ForceRecon | okay.. no kidding.. |
| 19:21.33 | jelly | they're on spotchat. However hexchat itself has a support channel here on freenode |
| 19:21.48 | ForceRecon | just saying.. |
| 19:21.49 | teraflops | jhutchins_wk: no idea but I had to manually set the server to a ipv6 one |
| 19:21.50 | ForceRecon | we good |
| 19:22.18 | jhutchins_wk | teraflops: You might do some performance checks of ipv4 vs 6 |
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| 19:23.09 | ForceRecon | and btw, the people over at linuxmint-help especially devnull are supreme assholes that will not help anyone but tell you to google it and if you don't do what they say they will not help you again and claim you chose not to listen when they told you what to do |
| 19:23.24 | ForceRecon | so as nice as linux mint might be, those people sux |
| 19:23.30 | ForceRecon | hence why I am here |
| 19:23.42 | teraflops | jhutchins_wk: why? |
| 19:23.42 | ForceRecon | just trying it all out. |
| 19:23.43 | teraflops | hehe |
| 19:23.48 | jelly | ForceRecon: and that's just fine as long as you're not asking any questions! |
| 19:23.56 | teraflops | jhutchins_wk: it's freenode's fault |
| 19:24.07 | somiaj | ForceRecon: when choosing a distro, you also choose the support community, so though you may like this support community, use mints support community, or switch over to Debian. |
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| 19:24.35 | ForceRecon | uh, yeah switching to debian completely tonight.. believe me |
| 19:24.46 | ForceRecon | been 2 weeks.. I really like how people treat you here |
| 19:25.34 | ForceRecon | they ask questions, try things, and don't blame you for your own thought process.. over at mint.. either do what they say or they won't help you ever again |
| 19:25.56 | ForceRecon | shame they made such a nice product and have a holes supporting the channel |
| 19:26.08 | ForceRecon | I like debian though.. :) better for learning too |
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| 19:28.19 | ForceRecon | i did however try debian on my toughbook.. did not even recognize either of my wireless devices and I am not savy enough to fix it |
| 19:28.28 | ForceRecon | it was a live cd |
| 19:28.57 | jelly | !firmware live |
| 19:28.57 | dpkg | Unofficial <live> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for using Debian 8 "jessie" as a live OS are available under http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ . See also <firmware images>. |
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| 19:29.44 | ForceRecon | I downloaded debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-cinnamon-desktop.iso |
| 19:29.47 | ForceRecon | that did not work |
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| 19:29.55 | jelly | images with firmware are much more likely to support wifi on a random laptop |
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| 19:30.33 | ForceRecon | tell me what to download and I will try it ou |
| 19:30.36 | ForceRecon | out |
| 19:30.39 | woosnnx | Hey, I have a question. I would like to create a simple bash script showing the uptime and cpu load of a few hosts in my local network. I could even create a php page displaying that information, that's not he issue. How should I approach this? I was thinking that I could remotely execute the "uptime" command on each host via ssh, and display the results, but I should give it access to all the other hosts (most are raspberry pi) and |
| 19:30.44 | woosnnx | what would be a good approach? |
| 19:31.11 | jelly | ForceRecon: mind you, the live image is not the best pick if you plan to actually install debian |
| 19:31.27 | greycat | Your crude ssh uptime approach is fine if it's just a few hosts, and you only do the ssh a few times a day. |
| 19:31.54 | ForceRecon | yeah but to wipe out what I have that works for something that doesnt is a big risk.. I would like to know I have internet access at least |
| 19:32.01 | woosnnx | It would be like 5 or 6 hosts,maybe every 5 or 10 minutes |
| 19:32.04 | greycat | If you want a torrent of data, look into SNMP or set up some kind of permanent channel of your own. |
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| 19:32.19 | jelly | ForceRecon: then try the live image w/ firmware and see if it work |
| 19:32.20 | jelly | s |
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| 19:32.37 | ForceRecon | give me a link.. |
| 19:32.37 | woosnnx | so is it wise to set ssh key authentication for each host? |
| 19:32.40 | ForceRecon | I will do it |
| 19:32.53 | ForceRecon | this does not help anyone make a choice |
| 19:32.53 | woosnnx | is it possible to only allow it to run this command and nothing else? |
| 19:32.58 | greycat | Yes, ssh key auth is a good thing in general. |
| 19:32.59 | jelly | thought I just did? |
| 19:33.06 | ForceRecon | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 19:33.15 | greycat | Yes, you can restrict the key to a single command on the server side. |
| 19:33.22 | woosnnx | but then, if anybody gained access to that server, it would have acecss to the rest of the hosts. |
| 19:33.27 | woosnnx | nice |
| 19:33.32 | jelly | ForceRecon: pick one from that directory? |
| 19:33.42 | ForceRecon | I did.. it does not work |
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| 19:33.51 | jelly | ForceRecon: which one did you choose |
| 19:34.11 | woosnnx | greycat: then I guess the safest solution is to create a user which can only login and run one specific command (uptime) and get the info from there |
| 19:34.15 | ForceRecon | debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-cinnamon-desktop.iso |
| 19:34.24 | greycat | woosnnx: that'll work. |
| 19:34.26 | jelly | ForceRecon: that does not say +nonfree |
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| 19:34.37 | woosnnx | greycat: thanks. I'll look into that |
| 19:34.55 | ForceRecon | and that means something? |
| 19:34.58 | jelly | ForceRecon: are you SURE you already tried an .iso from that directory? |
| 19:35.12 | ForceRecon | I downloaded, and burnt a cd with debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-cinnamon-desktop.iso |
| 19:35.18 | ForceRecon | no go |
| 19:35.35 | jelly | ForceRecon: so try debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-cinnamon-desktop+nonfree.iso instead |
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| 19:36.30 | ForceRecon | I think they are the same |
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| 19:36.37 | ForceRecon | I will check in a moment |
| 19:36.55 | jelly | ForceRecon: the names are different, and so are the contents. |
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| 19:37.45 | jelly | ForceRecon: as the bot says, images with extra nonfree firmware added |
| 19:38.10 | ForceRecon | jelly: I might be wrong but I copied the name of the download I have in downloads for you.. I am re downloading the same file and waiting to see if it end up with the same name +1 |
| 19:38.21 | jelly | it's not the same file |
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| 19:39.14 | jelly | or, if you're downloading something called "debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-cinnamon-desktop.iso" as opposed to "debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-cinnamon-desktop+nonfree.iso", you're not getting the right thing |
| 19:39.30 | ForceRecon | why are there so many files? Can't there just be one |
| 19:39.43 | zykotick9 | netinst FTW ;) |
| 19:39.50 | ForceRecon | explain the difference please |
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| 19:40.16 | greycat | The +nonfree one includes firmware that is not Free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. |
| 19:40.16 | jelly | ForceRecon: a live image of 10GB size with all the different desktop environments would be a bit large to download |
| 19:40.18 | ForceRecon | what is +nonfree |
| 19:41.02 | ForceRecon | so the +nonfree should work over the debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-cinnamon-desktop.iso |
| 19:41.09 | greycat | It is unfortunately common, in the last 20 years, for hardware vendors to make devices that require nonfree firmware to operate correctly. Or fully. |
| 19:41.55 | jelly | ForceRecon: Debian does not contain firmware for components where hardware vendors fail to provide source. This kind of firmware is not open source. |
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| 19:42.21 | somiaj | My understanding is this isn't new, it is just now they supply an additional firmware blob as opposed to just having it flased on the chip, which of course means debian splits those blobs and puts them in non-free |
| 19:42.30 | ForceRecon | so how the hell do you know what to have in your pc or laptop that is properly supported by debian? |
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| 19:42.37 | greycat | It's new if you're as old as I am. |
| 19:42.41 | ForceRecon | is there a debian laptop out there |
| 19:42.43 | jelly | ForceRecon: you investigate VERY VERY carefully |
| 19:42.54 | ForceRecon | geez |
| 19:42.57 | jelly | yes |
| 19:43.00 | somiaj | greycat: the firmware on the old hardware was fully open? Or just not a seperate file? |
| 19:43.17 | somiaj | ForceRecon: for the most part if it works in linux it will work in debian, though debian may require some extra steps. |
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| 19:43.35 | ForceRecon | somiaj: that's great if you have a freaking clue what to do |
| 19:43.35 | greycat | somiaj: specs were open |
| 19:43.48 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: Firmware was usually stored permanently in the hardware. |
| 19:43.54 | abrotman | or didn't require a software-loaded blob for full functionality |
| 19:43.58 | somiaj | ForceRecon: the non-free firmware is one step, a backported kernel is another. And sometimes the hardware is just to new. |
| 19:43.58 | jelly | ForceRecon: there are niche vendors, like https://puri.sm/products/ |
| 19:44.08 | abrotman | So the driver writer could play with the hardware, etc |
| 19:44.10 | ForceRecon | no wonder a wonderful open source OS is not going anyplace.. you have to spend 5 years figuring it out |
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| 19:44.32 | BluesKaj | ForceRecon, what to install depends on your needs and wants |
| 19:44.37 | abrotman | I've been buying Thinkpads for years, for the most part, you use the firmware-installer, and it works out of the box. |
| 19:44.40 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: Yes, it use to be on the hardware, but I don't think that changed the openeness of the firmware, it just wasn't a file, and new firmware required flashing the hardware. |
| 19:44.43 | greycat | ForceRecon: Right now, we're close to the release of Debian 9, so Debian 8 (jessie) is showing its age, and many new machines can't run it. |
| 19:45.30 | jelly | abrotman: but since firmware installer will NEVER be a download on the main page of debian.org, picking it already counts as *not* out of the box |
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| 19:45.31 | ForceRecon | I am buying this - https://system76.com/laptops/bonobo |
| 19:45.40 | ForceRecon | I want debian to run on it OOB |
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| 19:46.06 | jelly | I want a pony |
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| 19:46.44 | somiaj | ForceRecon: you'll most likely want to use stretch to avoid having to get a lot of drivers from backports. |
| 19:47.04 | somiaj | ForceRecon: main downside to stretch right now is limited security support until the release, but it is a frozen, mostly stable system. |
| 19:47.08 | jelly | ForceRecon: you want to run linux, best avoid intel+nvidia ("optimus") setups and go intel gpu only |
| 19:47.20 | abrotman | jelly: Right, but the Ethernet is typically supported, and you seem to only need firmware for wifi (might be the models I buy) |
| 19:47.30 | somiaj | that doesn't appear to have optimus, just pure nvidia and seems to come preinstalled with ubuntu |
| 19:47.52 | somiaj | it should work in debian, stretch would be easier than jessie for that new of hardware |
| 19:49.17 | BluesKaj | I have stretch installed , and so far it's quite stable, no complaints about HW drivers either , it all works well |
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| 19:49.39 | BluesKaj | kde/plasma DE |
| 19:49.47 | ForceRecon | you know I love the linux mint and debian gui |
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| 19:50.00 | jhutchins_wk | They're signing off on the stretch release notes, so release is imminent. |
| 19:50.11 | ForceRecon | shame they can't get it to work like redhat which I hate and just works |
| 19:50.11 | jelly | BluesKaj: on a kaby lake system? |
| 19:50.33 | greycat | How does one *tell* what kind of lake one has? |
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| 19:51.00 | ForceRecon | system 76 wants me to choose ubuntu 17.04 |
| 19:51.04 | ForceRecon | I don't want that |
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| 19:51.15 | jelly | greycat: looking up the processor model is a way |
| 19:51.19 | BluesKaj | jelly, no, an old HP with amd 5200+ cpu , nvidia gt210 gpu , 55d and 6Gb Ram |
| 19:51.21 | ForceRecon | so I buy a laptop that I cannot get debian installed by default.. |
| 19:51.44 | BluesKaj | err SSD drive :-) |
| 19:51.56 | greycat | You wouldn't want someone else's installation anyway. They'd partition the disk all wrong, and install things you don't want. |
| 19:52.15 | jelly | a whole GB for /boot are they crazy?!?!? |
| 19:52.34 | ForceRecon | underestood.. but how do I know that debian will work without buying it firest |
| 19:52.39 | ForceRecon | big chance |
| 19:52.43 | jelly | you don't |
| 19:53.09 | greycat | If they offer ubuntu pre-install options, it's *very probable* that Debian stretch will work fine. |
| 19:53.22 | BluesKaj | sell there used be a computer store in my area that would pcs without an OS installed |
| 19:53.24 | greycat | You may need the nonfree firmware installer. |
| 19:53.24 | somiaj | ForceRecon: if ubuntu comes on it, Debian will most likely work, it just may require some extra work as things due to debian policy (non-free firmware, frozen system, etc) may not be as automatic as ubuntu or mint. |
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| 19:53.38 | BluesKaj | oops sell pcs |
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| 19:54.06 | jelly | right, make a live usb stick and test things out |
| 19:54.20 | jelly | that's how I bought my current laptop |
| 19:54.27 | somiaj | BluesKaj: that is rare, I think MS makes vendors sign a contract that they won't sell pc's without an OS on them to get cheaper licenses, as such Dell would off freedos or some simple os as an alternative just to say it is sold with an os. |
| 19:54.50 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: Dell currently sells some systems with Linux installed. |
| 19:55.11 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: yea, I think freedos was an alternative too, but I think you have to get it with an OS due to some cnotract with MS |
| 19:55.15 | ForceRecon | how can you buy a new laptop based on not knowing if it will recognize anything on the new laptop |
| 19:55.16 | jelly | somiaj: this seems to be overpriced gamer desktop replacement anyway, so I'm sure the vendor has factored in their loss of MS subsidy... |
| 19:55.36 | jhutchins_wk | Seems like servers usually come without an OS, but it's been a while since I handled hardware. |
| 19:55.42 | jelly | ForceRecon: easy: don't buy new, or don't buy latest gen |
| 19:56.07 | jelly | buy a model someone _else_ has already verified to work well enough :-) |
| 19:56.29 | BluesKaj | somiaj, yes, these were basic no name pcs built by the store owners ...MS didn't have their talons into these guys |
| 19:56.30 | somiaj | ForceRecon: there are things one can look for and common issues. wifi and gpu are the biggest ones, but there are other hardware that can be problematic. On a laptop it is almost always the gpu or wifi. |
| 19:56.34 | jhutchins_wk | Buy from a place that allows returns. |
| 19:56.40 | ForceRecon | so basically deal with the crap I have now.. with a nice resolution does not work with internal wifi, but will work with usb option.. |
| 19:56.43 | ForceRecon | GUESS? |
| 19:56.48 | jhutchins_wk | SD card readers are iffy. |
| 19:57.25 | jhutchins_wk | Cameras used to be, but mostly they work now. |
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| 19:57.47 | BluesKaj | jhutchins_wk, my 2013 vintage laptop can't read and sdcards over 16Gb |
| 19:57.59 | somiaj | expect mtp is a terrible way to connect to usb devices, usbmass storage comadability is getting less common. |
| 19:58.00 | BluesKaj | and=any |
| 19:58.02 | jhutchins_wk | ForceRecon: what wifi chipset? |
| 19:58.30 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: I mean internal cameras. |
| 19:58.57 | jhutchins_wk | One of the problems is that manufacturers will switch chipsets, often without changing the model number. |
| 19:59.03 | somiaj | ForceRecon: the machine you linked comes preinstalled with Ubuntu, it will most likely work with Debian, if I saw it was ubuntu certified I would consider buying it, but I'm willing to spend the work to get it to work. |
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| 19:59.41 | ForceRecon | https://www.dropbox.com/s/bxmktizbg1e5g8c/20170501_155719.jpg?dl=0 |
| 19:59.46 | ForceRecon | what I have now |
| 20:00.12 | ForceRecon | somiaj: thanks.. I will get it and figure it out.. that is what we do it for correct |
| 20:00.55 | somiaj | ForceRecon: the best advise I saw scroll by was double check return policy. |
| 20:01.23 | somiaj | I once had to return a laptop due to a hardware issue in linux, so I always check return policies. Many have a small window they give full returns. |
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| 20:02.51 | ForceRecon | I need a fast, vmware capable multi session debian laptop that will run multiple version of kali linux under vmware and test new versions of debian.. makes no sense to have the best hardware and not be able to use it till its obsolete due to linux time frame |
| 20:02.54 | ForceRecon | just a thought.. |
| 20:02.57 | ForceRecon | but I understand |
| 20:04.28 | teraflops | vmware capable multi session⦠you mean with lot of ram |
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| 20:04.49 | teraflops | and at least i5 or similar I guess |
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| 20:05.05 | ForceRecon | 5k for that laptopm with m2 |
| 20:05.15 | ForceRecon | etc.. |
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| 20:05.24 | ForceRecon | want it to work.. |
| 20:05.42 | ForceRecon | I guess that is half th efun |
| 20:06.05 | BluesKaj | never had a HW problem that couldn't be solved on linux, eventually sometimes it would take a week or 2 for the correct drivers to be released |
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| 20:06.49 | jelly | buy a desktop, pick hw that has ESXi support, run VMs on that, access via whatever laptop, spend rest of money on good internet connection for home |
| 20:09.17 | ForceRecon | http://imgur.com/a/C216K |
| 20:09.35 | teraflops | yeah I agree, I never got the point of having one of those heavy laptops |
| 20:10.22 | ForceRecon | I have 150/75 now.. all is good.. that toughbook is great as far as longevity with the bus. |
| 20:10.33 | Spec | you can't really play games off an esxi host |
| 20:10.35 | ForceRecon | linux works, but I am no guru... |
| 20:10.40 | BluesKaj | a laptop is a convenience, but to me a desktop pc is still must have |
| 20:10.54 | jelly | Spec: apparently it's for linux VMs, not games |
| 20:10.56 | teraflops | I just need openssh |
| 20:11.00 | ForceRecon | I have no desire to play games but to offload image creation to GPU vs CPU |
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| 20:11.22 | ForceRecon | multi vmware |
| 20:11.30 | jelly | image creation? |
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| 20:12.41 | ForceRecon | well.... display demands |
| 20:12.59 | jelly | no idea what that means |
| 20:13.37 | greycat | watching movies? |
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| 20:13.47 | jelly | displaying a desktop? |
| 20:13.54 | ForceRecon | that means that having multiplevmware sessions running multiple desktops requires either a lot of CPU cycles or I can offload that with a great GPU instead and take the stress off the CPU.. |
| 20:14.01 | qman__ | if you're talking about simple graphics output, the CPU's integrated video chip doesn't consume CPU cycles, it's a separate processing unit |
| 20:14.03 | greycat | Rendering 3d models of brains? |
| 20:14.04 | jelly | that's nonsense |
| 20:14.28 | ForceRecon | so having a laptop or a great video card keeps the CPU clear to do its thing while the GPU does its thing |
| 20:14.31 | jelly | ForceRecon: kali's desktop doesn't eat GPU |
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| 20:14.58 | qman__ | integrated graphics != software rendering |
| 20:15.06 | jelly | you certainly don't need a 200W GPU for a couple dozen VMs |
| 20:15.13 | ForceRecon | I believe that running multiple vmware sessions is video and memory intensive.. if not well then correct me |
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| 20:15.28 | Spec | not video, yes memory (potentially) |
| 20:15.42 | jelly | ForceRecon: we run 500 VMs at work, without ANY dedicated GPU hw |
| 20:16.14 | ForceRecon | thats because you are hosting and not providing.. the desktops are doing the work.. |
| 20:16.19 | greycat | I can't imagine why you'd have VMs doing lots of graphics work. |
| 20:16.24 | greycat | Maybe I'm just not creative enough. |
| 20:16.53 | jelly | I can only imaging needing a discrete card for a gpgpu workload |
| 20:17.02 | qman__ | what do you mean hosting and not providing? |
| 20:17.16 | qman__ | a VM host is a VM host |
| 20:17.19 | Azrael_- | jelly: what base? xen/kvm/openvz? |
| 20:17.26 | greycat | I think ForceRecon has *something* very very specific in mind but we don't know what it is. |
| 20:17.32 | jelly | ForceRecon: desktops don't do anything but RDP |
| 20:17.46 | jelly | Azrael_-: vSphere |
| 20:18.30 | jelly | hosting and providing is the same thing :-) |
| 20:18.46 | qman__ | you only need a powerful GPU in a VM host if you're doing something like hardware-accelerated graphics (games, video playback in VDI/terminal servers) or a GPU rendering farm |
| 20:19.03 | ForceRecon | okay.. if I may ask.. I need a new machine.. laptop.. don't want to use usb antennae or anything.. one machine to do it all and run 3 vmware seesions of kali linux and maybe one of windows 10.. I need wireless ac and a fast GPU.. and I want to run debian linux full time. |
| 20:19.06 | ForceRecon | suggestions |
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| 20:19.16 | ForceRecon | if you feel like talking.. |
| 20:19.17 | ForceRecon | thanks |
| 20:19.47 | jelly | ForceRecon: you haven't explained _why_ you need a fast gpu. It's okay to say "games" |
| 20:19.52 | jhutchins_wk | You're really not going to need more than a standard non-gaming GPU for that. 3 servers is fine. |
| 20:20.19 | jhutchins_wk | There is more load on the local GPU than for headless VM machines, but a regular desktop should still handle it just fine. |
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| 20:20.34 | jelly | "altcoin mining" is probably NOT okay on a laptop :-) |
| 20:20.37 | ForceRecon | I do cryptography with vignere ciphers and much more.. I need to cpu and I need real time graph visuals |
| 20:20.59 | greycat | "graph visuals" of what? |
| 20:21.01 | jhutchins_wk | ForceRecon: Still, for three sessions you're find with fairly normal hardware. |
| 20:21.34 | Koleon | Hello guys, is there any chance to see LXD in Debian Stretch release?? |
| 20:21.38 | ForceRecon | jhutchins_wk: I have not found it with this toughbook I can assure you that especially over team viewer |
| 20:21.59 | jhutchins_wk | ForceRecon: Well of course not. |
| 20:21.59 | qman__ | ForceRecon: my 5 year old X220 can do what you describe, you still haven't really cleared up why you need a fast GPU |
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| 20:22.04 | greycat | what is "team viewer"? some windows thin-client-like thing? |
| 20:22.05 | jhutchins_wk | ForceRecon: The problem there is teamviewer. |
| 20:22.05 | ForceRecon | I have tried other remote desktops but well.. this one works most of the time |
| 20:22.20 | jelly | greycat: it's actually fairly multiplatform |
| 20:22.22 | jhutchins_wk | ForceRecon: The GPU has no effect on that. |
| 20:22.38 | ForceRecon | yeah this one needs to be remote |
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| 20:22.58 | jhutchins_wk | ForceRecon: TeamViewer can't keep up with a $25 shared memory card. |
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| 20:23.21 | ForceRecon | jhutchins_wk: so> |
| 20:23.27 | jelly | gpu won't make teamviewer nice, decent low latency network (think wired, not wireless) will |
| 20:23.45 | jhutchins_wk | For certain small values of "nice". |
| 20:23.50 | ForceRecon | jelly: I thought of that but not an option |
| 20:24.00 | teraflops | greycat: TeamViewer is that remote desktop thingy that got hacked badly recently |
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| 20:24.36 | qman__ | ForceRecon: no software is going to solve a slow network |
| 20:24.41 | zanric | teraflops: I thought the teamviewer hack was a few years back |
| 20:24.58 | zanric | Was there a new one? |
| 20:25.00 | jelly | Koleon: if it's not in debian right now at all, and it doesn't seem to be, it won't be in stretch |
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| 20:25.09 | qman__ | zanric: yes, I think it was less than 6 months ago |
| 20:25.20 | teraflops | not years unless my neuron is about to die |
| 20:25.34 | zanric | I think its time I swap remote software then |
| 20:25.36 | jelly | Koleon: isn't lxd pretty much a Canonical-only thing? |
| 20:26.01 | jelly | like "we're not doing Docker, we're doing something DIFFERENT" |
| 20:26.11 | ForceRecon | qman__: well.. that's why I am asking for the groups thoughts.. trying to solve a small bandwidth issue.. taking away graphics to the card, the processing to the CPU and dealing with optimal memory.. network is FAST.. |
| 20:26.15 | ForceRecon | 500/500 |
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| 20:26.23 | ForceRecon | my end is the problem |
| 20:26.32 | ForceRecon | and my pc is pretty awesome |
| 20:26.42 | ForceRecon | just trying to figure out the bottleneck |
| 20:26.54 | Koleon | jelly: Alright, thanks for reply. Well, it depends.. as I see there is some activity https://wiki.debian.org/LXD |
| 20:27.12 | qman__ | ForceRecon: the bottleneck is the internet, you need a fast, direct connection end to end |
| 20:27.25 | qman__ | ForceRecon: and even with a local gigabit network, remote access always has a little noticeable lag |
| 20:27.26 | greycat | Stretch is frozen, so nothing *big* is going to be added before it releases. |
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| 20:28.25 | jelly | Koleon: if you look at some of those dependencies, you'll see they're not in stretch and won't be |
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| 20:28.51 | jelly | so you're getting lxd in buster (stretch+1) at the earliest |
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| 20:29.14 | jelly | in sid... at some point |
| 20:29.28 | jelly | some point after stretch release |
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| 20:29.32 | ForceRecon | have any of you used realvnc |
| 20:29.35 | Koleon | jelly: I see, thanks for the comment. LXC/LXD suits my needs much more than Docker, I hoped it will be pushed to the Debian as well. |
| 20:29.37 | ForceRecon | any thoughts |
| 20:30.23 | jolt | LXC works great though, but LXD will be a nice addition! |
| 20:30.33 | jhutchins_wk | ForceRecon: graphics over the network is never going to be fast. On a fast local network, performance will be near normal for non-complex tasks, but even over a complex LAN it will lag, and if you run graphics over the itnernet you're just going to have to be patient. |
| 20:30.51 | jelly | Koleon: well that page and #768073 looks promising, but the timeframe for stretch inclusion has been closed a couple months ago |
| 20:30.52 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/768073 in wnpp (open): «ITP: lxd -- The Linux Container Daemon»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-11-04; last modified: 2017-03-15. |
| 20:30.58 | jhutchins_wk | On a fast business-grade network connection it'll be laggy but usable. |
| 20:31.29 | ForceRecon | jhutchins_wk: thanks for input.. I really am keeping this all in a memo.. |
| 20:31.34 | ForceRecon | have to get back to it later |
| 20:32.02 | ForceRecon | is this a thought? |
| 20:32.03 | jhutchins_wk | ForceRecon: If there's a way you can transmit just data over the connection without trying to remote-render graphics, that will work much better. |
| 20:32.03 | ForceRecon | https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-vnc-server-on-debian-8 |
| 20:32.07 | jelly | ForceRecon: use rdp if possible. That protocol is one of the decent things that came out of Microsoft |
| 20:32.36 | jhutchins_wk | ForceRecon: Also, it's going to be the system where the final display is rendered that has the actual GPU load. |
| 20:33.29 | jelly | teamviewer is also probably better than any linux vnc client. Arctica, the free NX fork, may become usable at some point as well |
| 20:33.37 | ForceRecon | yeah that machine has 2 NVIDIA TITAN Xp |
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| 20:33.49 | Koleon | jelly: judd: Thanks guys. What a pity :( Hopefully it will be available soon in sid. |
| 20:33.54 | ForceRecon | not an issue there but now thinking the quadros would have been a better optinn |
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| 20:36.50 | ForceRecon | thanks for the help everyone.. just going through the check list |
| 20:37.00 | ForceRecon | I appreciate all the advice and thoughts from everyone |
| 20:37.02 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: I thought teamviewer ran under wine, which would not suggest performance. |
| 20:37.17 | jhutchins_wk | I've also heard of openNX. |
| 20:37.19 | ForceRecon | jhutchins_wk: that was my take also.. |
| 20:37.38 | ForceRecon | but for some reason they both get wiggy after a few hours |
| 20:38.06 | jhutchins_wk | X2go also uses the NX protocol, which is supposed to perform better than VNC. |
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| 20:38.57 | ForceRecon | I was using something nX I think earlier.. but it did not auto start had to run acommand everytime |
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| 20:47.25 | ForceRecon | 1st Place: TigerVNC â its open source credentials and performance are its hallmark. |
| 20:47.25 | ForceRecon | Overall score: 5/5 |
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| 20:48.25 | _Vi | Why "libavfilter-extra6" does not Provides libavfilter6 (only libavfilter)? |
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| 20:49.50 | _Vi | This makes packages that dependent on libavfilter6 (such as kodi-bin) complain about upgrading from libavfilter6 to libavfilter-extra6... |
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| 20:52.26 | smontschi | yaaawn |
| 20:53.11 | jhutchins_wk | _Vi: What release are you on? |
| 20:53.29 | _Vi | jhutchins_wk, The mentioned packages are from jessie-backports. |
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| 20:55.05 | jhutchins_wk | ,v gitkraken |
| 20:55.06 | judd | No package named 'gitkraken' was found in amd64. |
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| 20:56.08 | teraflops | ForceRecon: what do yo mean by performance? because rdp is better imo |
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| 20:57.41 | jhutchins_wk | teraflops: Those who understand the protocols say vnc is more efficient, and more tolerant of WAN phenomena like lag. |
| 20:57.56 | jhutchins_wk | teraflops: rdp is supposed to be ok on LAN. |
| 20:58.41 | teraflops | I tried both on WAN, I still prefer *rdp over *vnc |
| 20:59.05 | ForceRecon | if I don't try I won't know.. I have to give it a go and see what works best.. teamviewer works.. doing it now, but after like 10 hours the video drags and gets really slow.. |
| 20:59.13 | teraflops | ForceRecon: very true |
| 20:59.21 | jhutchins_wk | teraflops: I think it depends on the networks and how you're using them. |
| 20:59.30 | teraflops | hacman: yeah sure |
| 20:59.33 | teraflops | jhutchins_wk: ^ |
| 20:59.36 | ForceRecon | I tried VNC of some kind before and had the same effect.. however, teamviewer does allow for better copy and paste |
| 20:59.40 | ForceRecon | just works |
| 20:59.52 | ForceRecon | gonna have to try this tigervnc |
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| 21:01.29 | teraflops | teamviewer works fine on linux, but if you see the internals you get scared, it ships its own wine binary iirc |
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| 21:05.39 | _Vi | Looks like just "Provides" won't be sufficient for kodi-bin vs libavfilter-extra6 conflict because of version range in the dependency. |
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| 21:07.21 | yeehi | Has this Intel Security problem been fixed in Jessie or Stretch? https://semiaccurate.com/2017/05/01/remote-security-exploit-2008-intel-platforms/ |
| 21:07.22 | mister-sir | I'm trying to make my LUKS partition a little smoother to mount / umount. Unfortunately, I've run into a few problems. cryptsetup requires sudo to run, but I'm not sure quite why. I'm tempted to just copy the binary from /sbin to /bin, but I'm guessing there's a good reason why it's set up like that. |
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| 21:12.37 | babilen | yeehi: I'd recommend getting new firmware for your motherboard. You can see the status in Debian on https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-5689 -- but I'd suggest addressing this as detailed on https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTEL-SA-00075&languageid=en-fr |
| 21:13.51 | babilen | This was also published today (possibly quite recently) so I wouldn't necessarily expect microcode packages to have been packaged and backported already. I did, however, not check this. |
| 21:14.33 | ForceRecon | burning debian now nonfree |
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| 21:15.06 | ForceRecon | geez getting all these password correct for hexchat.. what a pain in the arse.. what is default irc program in debian |
| 21:15.26 | babilen | I don't think there is a default |
| 21:15.29 | greycat | There isn't one. You use whatever you like |
| 21:15.49 | babilen | People like different clients and you are free to choose whatever suits you best |
| 21:16.16 | babilen | I'd take a look at weechat and irssi, but those might not be what you are looking for |
| 21:18.00 | ForceRecon | I hear a lot about weechat, I like a clean look.. Konversation used to be my favorite 15 years ago.. |
| 21:18.11 | ForceRecon | so everyone is using weechat.. |
| 21:18.14 | ForceRecon | okeedo |
| 21:19.26 | babilen | You might also like ERC, but all this really depends on your requirements and current setup |
| 21:19.28 | SuperTramp83 | ForceRecon, 'password correct' ? |
| 21:20.01 | babilen | It should be pointed out that it is likely that you would have to provide correct passwords with all of these clients though |
| 21:20.46 | SuperTramp83 | hexchat works beautifully here. |
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| 21:21.14 | ForceRecon | SuperTramp83: I agree.. it is a nice interface.. clean.. |
| 21:21.33 | ForceRecon | passwords are correct I am authenticating properly sasl |
| 21:22.03 | ForceRecon | seems though that passwords have gotten crossed from one place to another and there is no way to sync them.. |
| 21:22.21 | ForceRecon | freenode, one thing spot chat another, sdf no authentication |
| 21:22.29 | ForceRecon | should be a single sign on |
| 21:22.36 | ForceRecon | ridiculous |
| 21:23.49 | ForceRecon | does weechat have to be black |
| 21:23.50 | ForceRecon | https://weechat.org/about/screenshots/ |
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| 21:26.33 | Raazeer | hi all. |
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| 21:27.29 | Atramentous | filling in for ForceRecon while he installs debian |
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| 21:28.45 | Raazeer | is there a way to manually update /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
| 21:30.01 | ForceRecon | https://thepcspy.com/read/fixing-dpkg-status-corruption/ |
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| 21:31.56 | ForceRecon | any downloads for debian 9 yet |
| 21:32.30 | andai | Hi there! I'm trying to compile TigerVNC. I need zlib, fltk and libjpeg-turbo, all of which apt-get does not recognize. There are similarly-named packages, but i do not know which ones to get |
| 21:33.04 | ForceRecon | andai: thanks for that information.. I was just about to work on this.. now I know to stick with teamviwer |
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| 21:33.53 | Brigo | andai, the one in debian repos? |
| 21:33.58 | andai | ForceRecon: they've got binary packages, but only for ubuntu |
| 21:34.07 | andai | Brigo is tigervnc in the repos? I thought it wasn't |
| 21:34.25 | Brigo | andai, you are right it isn't |
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| 21:34.55 | andai | I was just gonna replace debian with ubuntu but i thought i'd try to figure this out because why not |
| 21:35.23 | andai | if the hassle of compilation doesn't exceed the hassle of restoring backups :) |
| 21:35.39 | Brigo | andai, there is a tigervnc-viewer and a tigervnc-standalone-server and more |
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| 21:36.10 | Brigo | andai, in Stretch |
| 21:36.27 | ForceRecon | where can I get stretch |
| 21:36.55 | andai | I'm on Jessie |
| 21:37.11 | Brigo | ForceRecon, installing or updating? |
| 21:37.13 | andai | I'm afraid if i've got to reinstall either way I'm switching back to ubuntu. I'm not as hardcore as I thought ;) |
| 21:37.19 | andai | thanks anyways. peace |
| 21:37.23 | Brigo | andai, np |
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| 21:37.45 | ForceRecon | Brigo: Installing 9 from scratch or live would be better atm.. understanding it is like RC1 I think |
| 21:37.54 | Raazeer | ForceRecon, it isn't corrupted, and I've already tried update. Problem is, I've uninstalled some stuff and afaik that should turn up in the file. Which it apparently doesn't. |
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| 21:38.37 | Brigo | ForceRecon, the installer is https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 21:39.29 | Brigo | ForceRecon, i think there is a live, but i don't know where |
| 21:39.55 | ForceRecon | Brigo: heh.. me either but at least I am in the rightish place.. |
| 21:40.08 | ForceRecon | I am glad someone knows what this all means |
| 21:40.12 | ForceRecon | any chance they are here? |
| 21:41.22 | Brigo | ForceRecon, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 21:42.06 | n4dir | in general you don't want to install from the liveCD's though |
| 21:42.10 | ForceRecon | Brigo: bookmarked.. thanks |
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| 21:42.21 | Brigo | ForceRecon, yw |
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| 21:43.01 | Brigo | really? https://wiki.debian.org/DebianParl |
| 21:43.47 | ForceRecon | Raazeer: sorry for delay.. working on something here.. I did not forget about you.. but other than that article as a ref I have nothing more to offer other than a google search only because I have not had the problem.. sorry about that |
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| 21:45.24 | oosnns | Hi. Does anyone know a lightweight and simple web dashboard to monitor a bunch of servers? Like knowing if they are online and their CPU load |
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| 21:46.13 | blackflow | oosnns: I use munin |
| 21:46.20 | oosnns | the one shown in this picture would be great: http://www.capterra.com/server-management-software/spotlight/143313/MIST%20Monitor/MIST%20Technology |
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| 21:47.48 | oosnns | Mmm, I don't need soo much information. Just a tool to be able to check in one glance if my home servers are doing fine |
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| 21:52.22 | NapoleonWils0n | hi all |
| 21:52.30 | NapoleonWils0n | pinch punch first of the month |
| 21:52.51 | NapoleonWils0n | i have apt-transport-https installed |
| 21:53.02 | NapoleonWils0n | i currently have this in my sources: http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ |
| 21:53.14 | NapoleonWils0n | but it doesnt work with https |
| 21:53.29 | NapoleonWils0n | any debian servers that support https for apt |
| 21:54.02 | n4dir | oosnns: not much in the subject, might be etherape is of use? |
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| 21:56.02 | oosnns | Mmmmm, not really. i just wanted a nice web interface to ping my hosts |
| 21:56.26 | blackflow | oosnns: pingdom.com |
| 21:57.44 | ForceRecon | The Debian users still have to wait for most awaited release Debian 9. The release date for Debian 9 is not announced officially yet but it supposed to release in mid of 2017. Itâs development code name is Stretch. For Debian 9 codename was announced on Nov 09, 2014. The Strech name has been taken from Toy Story. |
| 21:57.52 | ForceRecon | good god 3 years.. |
| 21:58.01 | ForceRecon | wow.. this is going to be awesome! |
| 21:58.30 | oosnns | aha |
| 21:58.32 | petn-randall | ForceRecon: Where are you quoting this from? |
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| 21:58.44 | oosnns | who was strech? |
| 21:58.49 | petn-randall | ForceRecon: 3 years what? |
| 21:58.58 | ForceRecon | in development |
| 21:59.03 | cef | 3 yrs for the name.. not in dev |
| 21:59.16 | cef | things get decided quite early.. |
| 21:59.18 | ForceRecon | ahh.. well that's bonk.. |
| 21:59.21 | petn-randall | ForceRecon: Err, no? jessie wasn't even released back then. |
| 21:59.40 | ForceRecon | well it will still be awesome! |
| 21:59.44 | ForceRecon | so good |
| 21:59.46 | cef | ForceRecon: indeed |
| 22:00.28 | cef | ForceRecon: yeah.. most distros plan names quite early.. like multiple version names get chosen in advance. |
| 22:00.39 | ForceRecon | petn-randall: https://tecadmin.net/debian-9-release-date-and-features/ |
| 22:01.03 | ForceRecon | Apr 26, 2015 Development started Completed |
| 22:01.47 | n4dir | As soon stable is released, the development for the next stable starts. |
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| 22:07.41 | ForceRecon | almost time to reboot and see debian in action on the laptop.. whew.. scary.. |
| 22:08.03 | ForceRecon | then rebuild by tomorrow morning with access via rdp and irc |
| 22:08.16 | ForceRecon | old laptop.. takes time. |
| 22:08.45 | NapoleonWils0n | be afraid be very afraid |
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| 22:09.12 | shadoxx | Never be afraid, be willing to leap into action when things don't go the way you're expecting or wanting them to |
| 22:09.23 | shadoxx | It's just ones and zeros! |
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| 22:09.56 | NapoleonWils0n | as long as you have your tin foil hat on your should be fine |
| 22:10.45 | NapoleonWils0n | i have been using freebsd and zfs is awesome |
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| 22:11.25 | ForceRecon | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.29 | ForceRecon | not bad.. |
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| 22:12.11 | ForceRecon | https://hastebin.com/ocugafemek.vbs |
| 22:12.17 | ForceRecon | any issues you can see at this point |
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| 22:13.54 | petn-randall | ForceRecon: Usually people come here with a problem and show us data. Not show us data and look for a problem. :) |
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| 22:14.49 | ForceRecon | well maybe they should :) |
| 22:14.57 | ForceRecon | jk.. I understand |
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| 22:15.22 | jhutchins | andai: Have you compiled software before? |
| 22:15.28 | jhutchins | Gah, buffer. |
| 22:15.51 | petn-randall | ForceRecon: You don't have to wait for stretch, btw. We've already got the jessie release which is stable and well-tested! |
| 22:17.39 | ForceRecon | I downloaded the lastest release as specified earlier.. burnt a dvd live image.. gonna reboot once I finish with my class online regarding inbound and outboun filtering isolation on the network and transport layer port protocol and address using ip tables.. with custom firmware.. change the channel marge! |
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| 22:26.37 | andai | jhutchins yeah, a couple times. Though I tend to avoid it whenever I can, especially when tired/drunk/been meaning to reinstall to a distro which has what I want in the packages ;) |
| 22:27.07 | andai | jhutchins although that's not strictly true (tigervnc is in latest debian packages but not Ubuntu's) |
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| 22:46.26 | andai | if i install a package with a large dependecy tree, then remove the main package, do the dependecies stay installed? does autoremove remove all of them? |
| 22:46.49 | andai | i notice when i remove a package it says less space will be freed than the space it said was necessary to install it |
| 22:47.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'm having some trouble with an intel hd630 integrated gpu, past the boot screen of the debian installer I run into a black screen. Any ideas on what the issue could be? The hardware should be fine, as a windows installation is functioning on it. |
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| 22:48.31 | petn-randall | andai: Correct, if you only remove the package, the dependencies don't automatically get removed. That is what autoremove is for. |
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| 22:51.25 | andai | petn-randall thx |
| 22:52.57 | andai | sweet, switching from tightvnc to tigervnc solved my weird keyboard problems. Now let's see if i can do "xdotool" as well :D |
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| 22:54.30 | SuperTramp83 | KaffeeJunky123, try 'nomodeset' |
| 22:54.32 | SuperTramp83 | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 |
| 22:55.13 | andai | aaaand it works! sweet |
| 22:55.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | SuperTramp83: thanks a bunch, I will try |
| 22:55.33 | SuperTramp83 | yw! |
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| 23:08.09 | bkeys | How do I open a port in debian? |
| 23:08.18 | bkeys | Lets say I need to open port 5000 |
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| 23:13.00 | petemc | bkeys: nothing should be blocking access to it by default so run something that listens on that port |
| 23:13.16 | jushur | bkeys: firewall enabled? |
| 23:13.17 | bkeys | I do and I get a "Connection refused" error |
| 23:13.51 | bkeys | Is there a firewall installed by default? |
| 23:13.58 | petemc | no |
| 23:14.24 | petemc | is that machine you're trying to access it from on same network segment? |
| 23:14.36 | petemc | lsof -i :5000 |
| 23:15.15 | petemc | as root |
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| 23:15.38 | bkeys | Is this on the my workstation or on the computer I am connecting to? |
| 23:15.41 | bkeys | Both are on the same LAN |
| 23:16.08 | petemc | which one do you expect to have something listening on port 5000 ? |
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| 23:16.19 | bkeys | One I am connecting to |
| 23:16.48 | bkeys | python3 11030 pi 4u IPv4 50500 0t0 TCP localhost:5000 (LISTEN) |
| 23:16.50 | bkeys | That looks about right |
| 23:17.05 | petemc | no, it says localhost |
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| 23:17.56 | bkeys | Yeah that makes sense since I ran the command on the computer that is listening on that port |
| 23:18.28 | petemc | localhost means you wont be able to access it from other machines on the lan |
| 23:18.53 | bkeys | Hmm, how do I change that? |
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| 23:20.46 | beastwick | this might be a dumb question, but... I run both Debian and Fedora. Debian on my main rig and Fedora on my laptop. Can I compile a Fedora kernel and prepare it in an RPM on Debian? I want to use my quad core... |
| 23:21.18 | beastwick | or just compile a vanilla kernel and package it in an RPM? |
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| 23:24.36 | bkeys | beastwick: Sounds like you might want a hypervisor |
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| 23:26.39 | beastwick | nah, no virtualization, I was just hoping I could compile a Fedora-ized kernel on my Debian box. |
| 23:26.40 | somiaj | beastwick: you maybe able to put fedora in a chroot on your debian machine, and build it inside the chroot with fedora build tools and libaries. |
| 23:26.50 | beastwick | that... sounds interesting |
| 23:26.55 | somiaj | I use chroots to build a lot, never done a non debian distro with it though. |
| 23:27.14 | beastwick | let me see if Fedora has some docs about chroot installs |
| 23:28.16 | beastwick | somiaj https://nmilosev.svbtle.com/quick-and-easy-fedora-minimal-chroot |
| 23:28.20 | bkeys | Perhaps Docker would be a good solution as well? |
| 23:28.34 | beastwick | bkeys that actually uses a docker image hah! |
| 23:28.35 | somiaj | for building chroot is sufficent and doesn't need extra tools. |
| 23:28.51 | somiaj | but I guess if you have docker setup and just need an image, no need to build a chroot |
| 23:28.56 | beastwick | oh you mean setup docker in debian and spin up a Fedora instance I guess? |
| 23:29.04 | beastwick | not entirely sure how docker works |
| 23:29.21 | somiaj | a chroot should be fine |
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| 23:31.51 | bean9916_ | Anyone know what's going on with intel's ME vulnerability? |
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| 23:33.10 | kankusht | good evening |
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| 23:34.07 | bkeys | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:34.28 | kankusht | how can I update libreofice on debian? |
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| 23:34.39 | somiaj | bkeys: my thing? I must have missed something. |
| 23:34.45 | somiaj | kankusht: are you running debian jessie? |
| 23:34.51 | kankusht | yes |
| 23:35.00 | somiaj | you can get a newer version from jessie-backports |
| 23:35.02 | somiaj | ,v libreoffice |
| 23:35.03 | judd | Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u9; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u5; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u6~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u7; jessie-backports: 1:5.2.6-2~bpo8+1; sid: 1:5.2.6-2; stretch: 1:5.2.6-2; experimental: 1:5.3.2-1 |
| 23:35.50 | bkeys | somiaj: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/L28FdGsCRYH0ke1RtoMuD15M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE= |
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| 23:36.48 | somiaj | what command are you using to open the port? |
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| 23:37.01 | kankusht | ok, I'll give it a try, I'm new with debian :( |
| 23:37.03 | bkeys | None so far; that is what I am trying to figure out |
| 23:37.11 | somiaj | !tell kankusht about jessie-backports |
| 23:37.44 | somiaj | kankusht: the bot sent you some info on what to add to your sources.list, then apt-get update, and finaly apt-get -t jessie-backports install libreoffice |
| 23:38.18 | somiaj | bkeys: oh you are trying to figure out what opened port 5000? I thought you were trying to open this port and could only get it on local host |
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| 23:38.38 | somiaj | bkeys: as for opening a port, kinda depends on what you mean. Programing langauges should provdie a libary for this. |
| 23:38.55 | bkeys | I am running a flask server on port 5000 |
| 23:39.10 | bkeys | There is a config.py file but it specifies the address as 127.0.0.1 |
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| 23:39.20 | somiaj | so change the address to your outside ip |
| 23:39.38 | somiaj | seems you need to configure that piece of software to open the port in the correct location |
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| 23:40.01 | somiaj | depending on the software it may require you actually specify the ip, should read up on flasks config.py options. |
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| 23:43.29 | bkeys | Yay that fixed it; thanks |
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| 23:44.15 | kankusht | Does anyone know a book that helps me to know more about debian? |
| 23:44.43 | somiaj | https://debian-handbook.info/ |
| 23:44.59 | kankusht | thank you very much |
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