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| 00:30.41 | davidebeatrici_ | jhutchins_wk: I switched to KDE Neon, because in Debian the DE becomes very slow if I disable the monitor connected to the AMD |
| 00:31.19 | davidebeatrici_ | Here both video outputs worked out of the box |
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| 02:08.38 | moony | nodejs-dev: |
| 02:08.38 | moony | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.38 | moony | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.38 | moony | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:08.47 | moony | oh derp |
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| 02:10.45 | moony | http://paste.debian.net/930949/ <<< help? I kinda need to update my NPM packages, alongside other things, so this doesnt help me much. |
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| 02:23.08 | somiaj | !bat |
| 02:23.09 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 02:23.17 | somiaj | moony: ^^ |
| 02:23.41 | moony | mk |
| 02:24.02 | moony | Also, managed to get help from a friend. Thanks tho. |
| 02:25.07 | moony | turns out it was due to the broken PPA i hadn't bothered to remove (it lacked amd64 support :C) |
| 02:25.24 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 02:25.25 | dpkg | hmm... dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 03:32.42 | Thraul | afternoon all :D |
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| 03:57.31 | arzg | Is "dpkg: error processing package initramfs-tools (--configure)" a known error? |
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| 03:58.49 | TomG_ | i don't know, but it's a common one because there's a lot that goes with that package |
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| 04:01.31 | arzg | oh I see what happened I think |
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| 04:03.45 | arzg | busybox was uninstalled accidentally, but I didn't realise that was an issue since it's a rec, not a dep, for initramfs-tools-core. |
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| 04:30.17 | ryouma | huh |
| 04:30.36 | ryouma | can you get in trouble if you use busybox-static instead, because initramfs* is used to busybox? |
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| 04:37.12 | TomG_ | i think busybox-static will still work |
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| 04:56.48 | luke-jr | How do I complain about meaningless removals? https://release.debian.org/britney/hints/auto-removals |
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| 04:57.32 | awal1 | ./msg judd version ettercap-text-only |
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| 04:59.48 | themill | luke-jr: it might help if you explain what's meaningless about it |
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| 05:01.56 | themill | (and it's too late to care about those packages now; they've been rc-buggy and unfixed for ages and they will not be in stretch) |
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| 05:06.08 | awal1 | btw, how come that libblkmaker migrated to testing durring full freeze? |
| 05:06.23 | themill | it didn't |
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| 05:07.28 | awal1 | themill, oh, sorry , I was confused 2016 vs 2016 :P |
| 05:07.37 | awal1 | 2016 vs 2017 |
| 05:08.14 | themill | the years just roll by sometimes |
| 05:09.51 | themill | luke-jr: in this particular case, you had 6 weeks to offer more information, potential fixes or say that the triage was wrong. It's just too late now. |
| 05:14.08 | luke-jr | themill: I tried to send more information, and got ignored as far as I can tell |
| 05:14.23 | themill | there is no additional information in the bug report |
| 05:14.33 | luke-jr | I don't see any bug report. |
| 05:14.45 | themill | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=858377 |
| 05:14.46 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/858377 in libblkmaker (open, fixed-upstream): «libblkmaker: doesn't support current bitcoin block version»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-03-21; last modified: 2017-03-21. |
| 05:14.53 | themill | autoremovals happen on the basis of bugs |
| 05:14.58 | luke-jr | all I got was a bunch of noreply emails, to which I replied to the debian maintainer email |
| 05:15.03 | luke-jr | well, there is no bug in this case |
| 05:15.12 | themill | there is a bug report.... |
| 05:15.34 | themill | replying to that email would have been sufficient to deliver more information ;( |
| 05:15.50 | luke-jr | the source email was <noreply@release.debian.org> |
| 05:16.10 | luke-jr | the obvious fix would be to bump libblkmaker to a newer version, or just build bfgminer without libblkmaker (it's an optional dep) |
| 05:16.50 | themill | No, the bug email was sent to you back in 12 Mar |
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| 05:17.59 | themill | that might be obvious to you but that information isn't in the bug report so no-one unfamiliar with the package would have been able to know that |
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| 05:20.31 | luke-jr | no emails about "libblkmaker" or "debian" this year, except for these ones from <noreply@release.debian.org> (which don't mention a bug) |
| 05:21.46 | themill | https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-bitcoin-devel/Week-of-Mon-20170417/001455.html and https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-bitcoin-devel/Week-of-Mon-20170417/001456.html to which you replied both reference the bug |
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| 05:22.26 | themill | The fact that no-one did anything with an RC bug (not even replying to the bug to query if it is RC) makes the package not suitable for release. |
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| 05:23.29 | luke-jr | oh, I'm supposed to magically know that "858377" in the email is a bug number? |
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| 05:23.48 | themill | Well it's a debian email about debian bugs so yeah |
| 05:23.55 | luke-jr | anyhow, as you note, I did reply there |
| 05:24.04 | themill | and yeah, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=858377;msg=2 was Cc'd to you btw. Not sure where it ended up |
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| 05:24.59 | themill | and also went to the maintainer list to which you seem to be subscribed |
| 05:26.58 | themill | Anyway, that's the sequence that occurred. The only people who can let the package back into stretch are the release team and I think I can confidently predict that their answer will be "if the maintainers didn't care about the package enough to do something about it then they don't care enough about it to get it back into stretch". It can enter stretch-backports as soon as they are open for uploads. |
| 05:27.42 | themill | And tbh with the speed at which *coin packages seem to be deprecated, keeping them out of stable and using backports mightn't be a bad option in any case |
| 05:28.02 | themill | (FTR, upgrade to a new version of the library also wasn't an option during the freeze) |
| 05:28.16 | luke-jr | oh well |
| 05:28.51 | luke-jr | it wasn't really even that much deprecated - it would still work fine in most scenarios, just not one case |
| 05:29.13 | themill | fun |
| 05:29.19 | luke-jr | it'd be like removing OpenOffice because Microsoft released a new version of Word it wasn't compatible with :p |
| 05:29.22 | themill | we do see this with lots of *coin packages all the time |
| 05:29.43 | themill | they get broken 2 weeks after the new release and then get removed from stable |
| 05:29.45 | luke-jr | yes, the main client definitely shouldn't get pinned in a release |
| 05:30.09 | themill | except that's the point of debian releases |
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| 05:30.28 | luke-jr | no, I'm agreeing with you: in that case, keeping it out of the release makes perfect sense |
| 05:30.52 | themill | so maybe poking the maintainers for a backports upload in a few weeks would be good? |
| 05:30.55 | luke-jr | (although BFGMiner isn't one of those cases typically) |
| 05:31.13 | luke-jr | maybe |
| 05:31.17 | themill | (also, that maintainer team clearly could do with more hands on deck -- you offering? ;) |
| 05:31.25 | luke-jr | no, I don't even use Debian actually |
| 05:31.37 | ozmage | hello |
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| 05:32.22 | ozmage | im using debian oldstable 7 with nvidia 96.43 legacy and i cant stop the screen tearing |
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| 05:32.34 | ozmage | any ideas how to make it stop ? |
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| 06:01.37 | random_numbers | Is it too soon for there to be a guide to upgrade from jessie to stretch? |
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| 06:05.05 | awal1 | https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2017/04/msg00003.html |
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| 06:06.35 | random_numbers | Hm, with any luck they'll include leiningen. |
| 06:08.00 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 06:08.37 | somiaj | random_numbers: -- note the guide may not be complete, but it is there |
| 06:08.55 | random_numbers | somiaj: Neat, thanks. |
| 06:11.44 | awal1 | "The upgrade process for some previous releases recommended the use of aptitude for the upgrade. This tool is not recommended for upgrades from jessie to stretch." Nice note but whithout any explanation ???!!! :P |
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| 06:12.51 | somiaj | they evolve side by side but at different speeds, and at times one tool's logic is more reliable. |
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| 06:15.15 | themill | awal1: that was also the case for stretch to wheezy and wheezy to jessie, I think |
| 06:16.41 | themill | etch->lenny was the last time aptitude was recommended and that time it made the upgrade much more reliable to use it. For later releases, it was unable to compute the upgrade. |
| 06:17.30 | somiaj | was that when udev was added? I recall that one being a pain for many. |
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| 06:18.34 | themill | lenny->squeeze required the "upgrade kernel and udev in lockstep" dance |
| 06:19.05 | somiaj | awal1: but it just boils down to the versions in a paticular upgrade, which software apt-get or aptitude's logic is more relabile at figuring out the best course of action. |
| 06:19.16 | somiaj | awal1: it may change again as things deep developing. |
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| 06:19.25 | somiaj | themill: ahh that was the one. |
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| 06:21.44 | awal1 | themill, somiaj, I personally haven't had conflict apt-get vs aptitude under sid since 3 /4 years now, but I never used aptitude for migrate from old stable to stable. I can just be "confident" with the official recommendation, so :P |
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| 06:23.20 | themill | awal1: this isn't about a conflict due to switching tools but that aptitude can't compute the upgrade path at all |
| 06:23.57 | awal1 | themill, oh, ok. I get it now |
| 06:23.57 | themill | It can spend hours and hours getting itself more confused and eventually suggest that removing aptitude is the best option. |
| 06:24.07 | awal1 | :D |
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| 06:26.41 | somiaj | it just wants to remove itself because it is tired of working, okay I'm done, remove me. |
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| 06:29.53 | awal1 | at least 1 month more, probably :P |
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| 07:49.51 | lechatnoir | What's the general suggestion for keeping Firefox installed to current w/in Debian? |
| 07:50.19 | lechatnoir | jessie is 45.9, current is 53, last I checked. |
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| 07:56.14 | blackflow | lechatnoir: Debian traditionally keeps only the ESR (LTS) versions of FF |
| 07:57.28 | lechatnoir | blackflow: Thanks. I suspected that. I've been getting used to auto-updates on OSX lately. |
| 07:58.02 | lechatnoir | I think the issue's been discussed with FFX and Chrome/Chromium, though I don't know what's been settled. |
| 07:58.54 | blackflow | thing is, beta and aurora no longer exist, so I guess the only way to get a rather newer release is to back port it from experimental |
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| 08:00.26 | nacknime | damn rust |
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| 08:01.42 | blackflow | perhaps you could try installing it from flatpak or snaps, I see there's a flatpak package, tho' no snaps yet |
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| 08:08.56 | lechatnoir | Looking at the backports of xserver-org-video-{ati,radeon}, both date from November. Looks as if the xorg fixed versions weren't shipped until 16 December 2016. Feh. |
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| 08:16.36 | pingfloyd | I just run the current version of firefox from mozilla |
| 08:18.16 | nacknime | from the tarball? |
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| 09:00.09 | lechatnoir | And ... 153 minutes later ... another new kernel to try. |
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| 09:10.53 | DoctorD90 | hello dear! i tried without any chance to to let work my wifi. can i ask you help? ath10k 168c:0042 |
| 09:13.06 | lechatnoir | DoctorD90: Ask away |
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| 09:14.33 | lechatnoir | DoctorD90: ... though I'm headed out. |
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| 09:17.50 | DoctorD90 | T.T... btw I dont know what other say. it doesnt work, it is realtek, i have tried to download driver backports, installed, but nothing |
| 09:18.06 | jelly | DoctorD90: which debian release? ath10k is ATHeros, not realtek |
| 09:19.00 | jelly | DoctorD90: is that a usb id or a pci id |
| 09:19.04 | DoctorD90 | jelly: good morning :) jessie, installed last night from netinstall, amd i findout a bug in 30_uefi-firmware too(that i have to report) |
| 09:20.32 | DoctorD90 | jelly: when i run lspci|grep network it reports qualcomm aetheros. I looked for QCA(numedber i dont remeber now), and it say [168c:0042] (rev31) |
| 09:20.53 | DoctorD90 | it is the wifi inside wifi |
| 09:21.48 | jelly | DoctorD90: run lspci -nn, paste the relevant line |
| 09:22.40 | DoctorD90 | i did it last nigth from pc...now im coming back tohome...if you can scroll at last nigth(00:30 more or less) you can find out all that stuff :D |
| 09:22.58 | DoctorD90 | or better.... i have on pastebin the lspci output...1second |
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| 09:24.08 | jelly | so... you don't have access to that machine right now? |
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| 09:24.35 | DoctorD90 | not in that precise moment |
| 09:24.37 | DoctorD90 | https://pastebin.com/v54ac8x8 |
| 09:24.49 | jelly | then come back and ask again when you do. |
| 09:26.18 | DoctorD90 | >.> the funny is that when I ask and im in front of pc no one reply xD when i ask away from pc I find people that could help xP hehe..btw Ok :) |
| 09:29.19 | jelly | DoctorD90: well I could tell you to install kernel and firmware-atheros from jessie-backports, but I don't know how many hours is there to wait to see if that makes any difference |
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| 09:30.22 | jelly | DoctorD90: and I could ask which _precise_ commands and output did you mean when you said "tried to download driver backports, installed" |
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| 09:32.06 | DoctorD90 | sure jelly! thk you! |
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| 09:33.22 | DoctorD90 | i installed firmware-nonfree from backports..or better. I moved my hdd from old acer to new one. but it doesnt recognize wifi. So i tried to install. once install it doesnt display the wifi |
| 09:33.38 | DoctorD90 | i followed that guide...(im retrieving) |
| 09:34.18 | DoctorD90 | https://digitz.org/blog/wifi-issue-on-acer-laptops-running-linux-qualcomm-atheros-device-0042/ |
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| 09:35.14 | domovoy | hi |
| 09:35.36 | DoctorD90 | instead of that package, that old backports, i installed running these commands but with latest backports available form the wifi kernel site |
| 09:35.55 | DoctorD90 | i have the wifi of that guide, but rev 31, not 30 |
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| 09:37.27 | DoctorD90 | im approching to home. 10min and i can run all commands |
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| 09:51.05 | _sfiguser | hello all, i did a dist-upgrade... and debian changed my wallpaper... in i3, how can i set back to my wallpaper ? |
| 09:51.13 | DoctorD90 | jelly shoots the commands! :D |
| 09:51.21 | _sfiguser | i mean where is the instruction which is actually setting this wallpaper ? in which config file ? |
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| 09:58.08 | DoctorD90 | pastebin.com/MyAfmmcB |
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| 09:59.56 | DoctorD90 | jelly: ^^^ :) thx |
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| 10:02.14 | jelly | DoctorD90: read these and install kernel and firmware-atheros from backports: /msg dpkg jessie-backports /msg dpkg bdo kernel |
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| 10:03.39 | DoctorD90 | ok! (probably i installed firmware-nonfree from backports because during installation it said it was looking for a rtl_nic/8411fw2 or similar that i find out in firmware non free....but i go to read your tip! :D thx |
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| 10:06.04 | mikjaer | Im building a debian-package and i wish to print a message when the package has been installed, however my postinst script are being executed in the wrong(according to my wished) order, so that my message to the user is not the last. Are there anyway i can affect this? |
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| 10:08.37 | DoctorD90 | jelly, do you suggest me to install directly new kernel from backports? |
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| 10:17.23 | jelly | DoctorD90: yes |
| 10:17.47 | DoctorD90 | ok i go trying :D |
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| 10:18.06 | DoctorD90 | netinstaller added backports yet |
| 10:18.06 | jelly | DoctorD90: if you have other hardware that needs firmware, make sure to install that other firmware from jessie-backports as well. |
| 10:18.22 | DoctorD90 | jelly just a simple question |
| 10:18.35 | DoctorD90 | im going to install from jessie backports |
| 10:18.45 | DoctorD90 | once strecth will be released |
| 10:18.54 | DoctorD90 | they will automatically updated? |
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| 10:19.12 | DoctorD90 | and i can delete jessie backports from sources.list? |
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| 10:20.36 | T6 | hi |
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| 10:21.42 | jelly | DoctorD90: yes, updating sources.list is part of the upgrade procedure in release notes |
| 10:22.22 | T6 | i am tryin to setup vpn in kali, but i canot connect to privateaccess.com |
| 10:22.45 | T6 | timeouts all the time |
| 10:23.03 | bazhang | the kali channel for support T6 |
| 10:23.04 | DoctorD90 | jelly so once it will be relased, i have to just edit the source.list, great!and last nigth I find out on documentation "apt-get -t jessie-backports" but it doesnt work....only with aptitude -t |
| 10:23.13 | bazhang | #kali-linux |
| 10:23.32 | T6 | tnx |
| 10:23.42 | bazhang | np |
| 10:23.42 | DoctorD90 | T6, 1: as bazhang said, ask in #kali-linux 2:are you sure it is working? i mean the vpn is online? |
| 10:23.46 | T6 | #kali-linux |
| 10:23.58 | DoctorD90 | T6, run /join #kali-linux |
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| 10:25.20 | jelly | DoctorD90: apt-get -t jessie-backports install ... ought to work. |
| 10:25.24 | jelly | !doesn't work |
| 10:25.24 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 10:26.55 | jelly | !bat |
| 10:26.55 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 10:26.57 | DoctorD90 | uhm....i run it again otherwise...last nigth it wotn work...probaly i was tired |
| 10:28.38 | DoctorD90 | ....lol now it runs...ok probably i runned a mistypo last n8...sorry for disturb :P im going to create bug report for installing issue while on new pc let's install new kernel |
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| 10:30.31 | DoctorD90 | to report a bug in installer in netsintall what for what package have I to open bugreport? |
| 10:30.57 | DoctorD90 | debian-installer? |
| 10:30.59 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
| 10:33.35 | DoctorD90 | jelly, some error: pastebin.com/aiSX1kDR |
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| 10:35.39 | jelly | DoctorD90: which package does /etc/grub.d/30_uefi-firmware belong to? |
| 10:36.03 | jelly | DoctorD90: if it's a firmware package, did you upgrade it to jessie-backports as well? |
| 10:37.21 | DoctorD90 | jelly, it is the bug I and Jordan_U have encoutered last nigth ininstalling from netinstall. If you remeber my first problem installing jessie from netinstall was in grub installing. Last n8 I reinstalled, and grub failed to install. I open shell from installer, and with Jordan_U we have encoutered an error in 30-uefi-firmaware file |
| 10:37.23 | DoctorD90 | in line 34 |
| 10:37.28 | jelly | DoctorD90: pastebin that file, or show line 34 at least |
| 10:37.40 | DoctorD90 | i was creating a bug reportnow infact :P |
| 10:37.41 | jelly | DoctorD90: which package does it belong to? |
| 10:37.50 | DoctorD90 | grub installer |
| 10:37.57 | jelly | that's not a package name... |
| 10:38.06 | DoctorD90 | wait..belong...i check a moment the verb :P |
| 10:38.14 | jelly | dpkg -S /etc/grub.d/30_uefi-firmware |
| 10:38.14 | dpkg | You Fool! /etc/grub.d/30_uefi-firmware is installed! |
| 10:38.21 | jelly | dpkg: hush |
| 10:38.21 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
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| 10:39.34 | DoctorD90 | ah ok, yes, it comes with installer |
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| 10:39.48 | DoctorD90 | during installation stage |
| 10:40.32 | DoctorD90 | installer install grub and 30_uefi-firmaware it self. Jordan_U said it is debian related, because it is not in GRUB mainline |
| 10:41.07 | jelly | gives up |
| 10:43.06 | DoctorD90 | jelly, https://pastebin.com/BS4erTG3 |
| 10:43.43 | DoctorD90 | issue according to me is: $(printf %x \'"$(cat $OsIndications | cut -b1)") & 1 |
| 10:44.11 | DoctorD90 | it gives back 1f & 1 = 1...the dear grub doesnt know what the hell is happened :P |
| 10:45.17 | jelly | DoctorD90: whcih package does that file belong to? |
| 10:45.33 | jelly | DoctorD90: what does dpkg -S /etc/grub.d/30_uefi-firmware say? |
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| 10:45.45 | DoctorD90 | i dont know. It is a fresh system....oh i run immediatly |
| 10:45.57 | jelly | FIND FUCKING OUT |
| 10:46.24 | bazhang | !caps |
| 10:46.24 | DoctorD90 | grub-common |
| 10:46.24 | dpkg | Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words, put an underscore ("_") on both sides. |
| 10:47.35 | jelly | DoctorD90: okay, which version of grub-common do you have installed? |
| 10:47.39 | jelly | ,v grub-common |
| 10:47.40 | judd | Package: grub-common on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.99-27+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.99-27+deb7u3; jessie: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; sid: 2.02~beta3-5; stretch: 2.02~beta3-5 |
| 10:48.24 | DoctorD90 | using netinstaller for amd64 stable, i think 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1...how can I see it? |
| 10:48.37 | jelly | dpkg -l grub-common, or dpkg -s grub-common |
| 10:48.38 | dpkg | ii grub-common, or dpkg -s grub-common 2.6-3 jelly's private porn collection |
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| 10:49.41 | DoctorD90 | yea, I confirm. 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1 |
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| 10:50.04 | jelly | DoctorD90: edit that fine, replace %x with 0x%x in that line |
| 10:50.09 | jelly | that file* |
| 10:50.15 | DoctorD90 | ok....1sec |
| 10:50.22 | jelly | thing's been fixed in stretch, but not jessie |
| 10:50.45 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:51.17 | jelly | DoctorD90: then run "dpkg --configure -a" |
| 10:51.35 | DoctorD90 | Jordan_U, ^^^^ it is there yet a bugfix :P |
| 10:51.40 | DoctorD90 | jelly, ok i rin |
| 10:51.46 | jelly | to finish pending package installations |
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| 10:52.59 | DoctorD90 | jelly, how do you find out "solution", i mean how do you find out the "patch" of that file? i would like to learn, so maaybe next time i will not *stress* :P |
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| 10:53.26 | jelly | looked at a stretch installation |
| 10:53.46 | DoctorD90 | where? |
| 10:53.54 | jelly | on a stretch installation. |
| 10:53.55 | DoctorD90 | ps. done, all done, rebooting |
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| 10:54.07 | DoctorD90 | ah directly on a installed pc, gotcha |
| 10:54.25 | jelly | installed pc, installed vm, sure |
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| 10:55.03 | jelly | DoctorD90: did you upgrade all the firmware packages to jessie-backports |
| 10:55.42 | jelly | firmware, in general, has to match kernel version |
| 10:56.18 | jelly | DoctorD90: so if you want to boot a kernel from jessie-backports, it needs firmware from the same place to work correctly |
| 10:56.54 | jelly | if you have older firmware, some drivers may fail to work on newer kernel |
| 10:56.56 | DoctorD90 | .....infact it wont to boot |
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| 10:58.22 | DoctorD90 | im booting from advanced/stalbe kernel |
| 10:59.12 | jelly | DoctorD90: how does the bpo kernel fail to boot? |
| 11:00.20 | DoctorD90 | once grub showes me the debian bacground, it start, and it stay blocked to wpa supplicant. It said once loaded LUKS that it failed to load ath10k driver(but it just blinked the screen, i cant read it well) |
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| 11:01.09 | DoctorD90 | I try to delete settings I did following that guide to fix the issue |
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| 11:02.15 | jelly | problems with wifi driver should not make the machine fail in boot process |
| 11:02.27 | jelly | DoctorD90: what does "just blinked the screen" mean? |
| 11:02.42 | jelly | do you have ethernet connectivity in the meantime? |
| 11:02.58 | DoctorD90 | jelly, at boot, it push so many line in just 1 second, and screen scroll the text too fast |
| 11:03.15 | DoctorD90 | yea, it was the only solution to download from netinstaller |
| 11:03.27 | jelly | DoctorD90: you can use Shift-PageUp to scroll back |
| 11:03.40 | DoctorD90 | *_* the secret tip of life!!! |
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| 11:04.13 | jelly | where does the boot process stop? Can you take a screenshot with a separate camera and upload it? |
| 11:04.55 | DoctorD90 | sure |
| 11:04.58 | DoctorD90 | once seconds |
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| 11:06.08 | jelly | imgur.com or picpaste.com or wherever |
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| 11:07.30 | MaDMaLKaV | Hi people. Is there something like pfsense / opnsense Debian based? |
| 11:10.45 | DoctorD90 | jelly, i was thinking: and If i directly install next branch? then update all the system? more or less, next month it will be released... |
| 11:10.53 | DoctorD90 | this would not be faster? |
| 11:11.03 | DoctorD90 | than just adjust all minimal stuff? |
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| 11:13.12 | DoctorD90 | what do you think? |
| 11:13.39 | DoctorD90 | or better.....just wait stretch rollout... |
| 11:14.20 | jelly | DoctorD90: you can certainly try, just be aware stretch will not have proper security updates before the actual release |
| 11:14.51 | DoctorD90 | i will not go on strange site hehehe.... |
| 11:15.18 | DoctorD90 | ok...i go to try :D ...but it isnt there the netinstall of stretch? |
| 11:15.25 | DoctorD90 | under unstable/testing? |
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| 11:17.01 | spacebug^ | do packages from jessie-backports get security updates? |
| 11:17.36 | TomTomTo1 | nope, just through irregular version bumps. |
| 11:17.45 | spacebug^ | hum, ok |
| 11:18.16 | DoctorD90 | find out! :D ....lets give it a shoot :D |
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| 11:20.22 | DoctorD90 | jelly, thx for all your work!!! |
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| 11:20.41 | DoctorD90 | im going to format and try stretch :P |
| 11:20.48 | DoctorD90 | I hope this will work ahahah |
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| 11:21.05 | DoctorD90 | even if I will have to reinstall/copy all fom actul system to new one... |
| 11:21.14 | jelly | don't forget to use firmware images |
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| 11:22.04 | DoctorD90 | ?? |
| 11:22.07 | DoctorD90 | what do you mean |
| 11:22.42 | DoctorD90 | using netinst of testing, it should install "jessie-backports" kernel automatically |
| 11:22.55 | DoctorD90 | so I should do nothing...or do I wrong? |
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| 11:26.34 | jelly | I mean |
| 11:26.37 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 11:26.37 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. From Debian 9 "Stretch", DVD1+firmware is also available. |
| 11:26.40 | jelly | but for stretch. |
| 11:26.50 | jelly | DoctorD90: so perhaps http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/stretch_di_rc3/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 11:28.53 | DoctorD90 | ah...do you suggest directly the unofficial? |
| 11:29.02 | DoctorD90 | i was downloading normal/official... |
| 11:29.11 | DoctorD90 | but yea...lets learn! |
| 11:29.35 | jelly | DoctorD90: because you really want to download firmware manually after the fact? |
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| 11:29.56 | DoctorD90 | ahahahah for learnign pourpose yes...to use the pc faster no xD |
| 11:30.24 | DoctorD90 | i would like to just move my actual harddrive from actul old pc to new one |
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| 11:30.39 | DoctorD90 | but then I should do all fixes....so I will wait occifial stretch |
| 11:30.44 | DoctorD90 | then I will try to move pc |
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| 11:31.06 | DoctorD90 | untill that time, seeing how "complicate" is the scenario, Im going to learn :D |
| 11:31.23 | DoctorD90 | decision taken after seeing all these stuff |
| 11:31.40 | DoctorD90 | for which I totally and definetly thx you! I learn a lot today! |
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| 11:42.48 | hpfmn | hi |
| 11:42.57 | hpfmn | I want to install debian via pxe on an apu board |
| 11:43.17 | hpfmn | It seems to work but after the "network detection" the screen goes blank and nothing seems to happen |
| 11:43.38 | hpfmn | do I have to configure something that the installer works well with a serial port? |
| 11:43.56 | hpfmn | or is there some way of having a verbose output of what is going on? |
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| 12:19.57 | Anonymes | hi |
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| 12:27.37 | Al3xG0 | kex error : no match for method mac algo client->server: server [hmac-sha2-512-etm@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256-etm@openssh.com,umac-128-etm@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-ripemd160], client [hmac-sha1] When I'm trying to connect to my server by x2go |
| 12:28.44 | Blitzgewitter- | hey, i did an dist-upgrade yesterday. now X is restarting every 90 seconds, even if not logged in. kern.log has a line that coincides with the restart that says: udev-acl.ck[8226]: g_slice_set_config: assertion "sys_page_size == 0' failed |
| 12:28.52 | Blitzgewitter- | any hints? |
| 12:29.03 | Blitzgewitter- | i'm on debian testing btw |
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| 12:31.54 | M4GNV5 | hey, so im on debian9 but my soundcard is only supported in linux >= 4.10, is there a way i can install that? what would happen if i install it from exp (apart from the frankenstein ofc)? |
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| 12:35.34 | BluesKaj | M4GNV5, what makes you think it's only supported by the 4.10 kernel |
| 12:36.14 | M4GNV5 | well it doesnt work, for a start :D |
| 12:36.16 | M4GNV5 | but sec |
| 12:36.52 | M4GNV5 | https://github.com/burzumishi/linux-baytrail-flexx10/issues/7 |
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| 12:37.14 | M4GNV5 | they seem to have the same audio chip, and the last comment is "closing this as mainline supports us" |
| 12:40.27 | M4GNV5 | hmm i guess ill try their stuff in the readme first, maybe it werks |
| 12:41.51 | BluesKaj | M4GNV5, seems this is an intel audio chip, correct? |
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| 12:42.36 | M4GNV5 | jup\ |
| 12:43.32 | M4GNV5 | bytcr_rt5640 |
| 12:44.02 | BluesKaj | then the driver is the probly the snd-hda-intel, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel to load the driver |
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| 12:46.56 | BluesKaj | then check alsamixer to disable automute and set up you audio volume ctrls, and install pavucontrol if you use pulseaudio to set your audio outputs |
| 12:47.51 | BluesKaj | M4GNV5,^ |
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| 12:50.44 | DoctorD90 | ahahah jelly :P "error" or better, warn in installing :P using nonfree netinstal iso |
| 12:51.23 | DoctorD90 | some of your hardware needs non free firmware file to operates. can be loaded blabla.... |
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| 12:52.47 | DoctorD90 | missing: ath10k/pre-cal-pci-0000:03:00.0.bin ath10k/cal-pci-0000:03.00.0.bin |
| 12:53.06 | DoctorD90 | missing: ath10k/pre-cal-pci-0000:03:00.0.bin ath10k/cal-pci-0000:03:00.0.bin |
| 12:53.15 | DoctorD90 | forget the : at the end |
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| 12:53.30 | DoctorD90 | i will check once installed :P now i continue with eth |
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| 13:05.17 | DoctorD90 | strange :P in installer it signs the eth as "enp4s0f1", and wifi(now magically detected) as "wlp3s0"..bha :P |
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| 13:10.42 | BluesKaj | DoctorD90, that's the systemd naming protocol for eth0 and wifi connections |
| 13:11.00 | DoctorD90 | 0o BluesKaj never seen :P |
| 13:11.27 | DoctorD90 | now it asks me about repo....but it doesnt show httpredir repo... |
| 13:12.19 | BluesKaj | mirrors/repos in your country I think |
| 13:12.52 | DoctorD90 | yea, but I have alwasy choosen httpredir, so it does all by itself :P |
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| 13:50.37 | luna | Anyone knows then today Debian 8.8 is released? |
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| 13:55.39 | zarkos | hello how do you save up your iptable rules ? |
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| 13:57.16 | syco_ | iptables-save |
| 13:57.26 | themill | luna: yes |
| 13:58.17 | AlexPortable | any ETA on debian 9 ? |
| 13:58.31 | themill | AlexPortable: WIR |
| 13:58.40 | AlexPortable | ? |
| 13:59.20 | luna | themill: when? |
| 13:59.41 | themill | luna: today |
| 13:59.51 | luna | themill: yeah but what time? |
| 14:00.14 | themill | it's a multi-hour process |
| 14:00.23 | syco_ | zarkos, and iptables-restore |
| 14:00.24 | luna | alright |
| 14:00.52 | teraflop | zarkos: or install iptables-persistent |
| 14:01.01 | teraflop | ,v iptables-persistent |
| 14:01.02 | judd | Package: iptables-persistent on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.5.7+deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.3+deb8u1; stretch: 1.0.4+nmu2; sid: 1.0.4+nmu2 |
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| 14:01.09 | zarkos | syco_: ok teraflop ok |
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| 14:03.53 | AlexPortable | themill: whats wir |
| 14:05.25 | zarkos | do you guys know a good repository for debian 8 ? |
| 14:05.27 | teraflop | when it's ready |
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| 14:06.56 | zarkos | ty |
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| 14:07.43 | teraflop | zarkos: that was for AlexPortable, what do you mean by "good repository"? |
| 14:08.37 | zarkos | teraflop: it says debian.proxad.net but the repository doesnt have the files that the apt-get install wants |
| 14:09.01 | teraflop | ugh, what are you doing? |
| 14:10.13 | teraflop | zarkos: that's a debian mirror, what are you trying to install? |
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| 14:10.14 | zarkos | nano etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:10.42 | zarkos | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.15 | teraflop | zarkos: and the error is? |
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| 14:11.53 | zarkos | couldnt resolve debian.proxad.net |
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| 14:12.20 | teraflop | zarkos: did you change etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 14:12.33 | zarkos | teraflop: nope no change in that file |
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| 14:14.10 | teraflop | and your dns' resolves properly? |
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| 14:15.52 | teraflop | aka can you e.g ping debian.proxad.net ? |
| 14:17.01 | zarkos | unknow host |
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| 14:23.19 | teraflop | zarkos: well that's why it fails there |
| 14:23.39 | zarkos | teraflop: yes you got a point |
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| 14:36.33 | yolan | Hello |
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| 14:36.41 | yolan | can someone ping me on IRC for a test ? |
| 14:37.11 | RawketLawncha | say there is a system with 1TB HDD, and that entire disk is for home directories, so everyone is free to use that 1TB of space, so you think its possible to somehow encrypt everyone's home directory without actually allocating some particular space for everyone ? I mean I know I can just make 1GB file use md-crypt and mount it for every user but |
| 14:37.17 | RawketLawncha | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:37.47 | RawketLawncha | rgr_: are you from germany ? |
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| 14:39.15 | yolan | RawketLawncha, can you ping me like I just did with you now, please? |
| 14:39.23 | RawketLawncha | no |
| 14:40.45 | RawketLawncha | I can but it will cost you $1 |
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| 14:42.26 | yolan | mmh... It is just to test if my hexchat bip when pinged. ^^ |
| 14:43.04 | teraflop | xD |
| 14:43.04 | RawketLawncha | $1 |
| 14:43.29 | yolan | I am a student please have mercy |
| 14:43.38 | RawketLawncha | $0.99 |
| 14:43.49 | teraflop | !echo ping yolan |
| 14:43.49 | dpkg | ping yolan |
| 14:44.00 | yolan | yes ! |
| 14:44.09 | yolan | Thanks :') |
| 14:44.10 | teraflop | you can do it by yourself |
| 14:44.23 | yolan | !echo hello yolan |
| 14:44.24 | dpkg | hello yolan |
| 14:44.29 | yolan | Oh nice |
| 14:44.29 | teraflop | ಠ_ಠ|
| 14:44.32 | RawketLawncha | is everyone sees that "dpkg tolls a 5-meter-bell" message ? |
| 14:44.41 | yolan | i didn't know the commend of the bot here :-) |
| 14:45.07 | yolan | A little chillwave for you all, as a thank you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rRhnB1-e4c |
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| 14:46.58 | RawketLawncha | speaking of chillwave http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9VmBlp82c |
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| 14:48.55 | G__81 | Any approx timeline on when Stretch would be released ? |
| 14:49.06 | teraflop | G__81: 897 |
| 14:49.16 | teraflop | well ~897 |
| 14:49.28 | G__81 | what does that mean ? |
| 14:49.31 | missmbob | G__81: when green goes 0 https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 14:49.32 | teraflop | nothing |
| 14:49.50 | missmbob | any date given is meaningless. that's his point |
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| 14:50.54 | G__81 | ok thanks. If i install Debian 9 Stretch RC ISO would it be safe to install it ? |
| 14:51.14 | missmbob | it has no security support. so not really |
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| 14:52.40 | G__81 | ok so if i install 8.7 would the upgrade be easy once Stretch gets released? |
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| 14:53.34 | missmbob | yes. given you read the release notes. there may be gotchas that are known about |
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| 14:54.11 | G__81 | ok missmbob thanks |
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| 15:11.46 | zykotick9 | spent most of yesterday trying to get 3d working properly in stretch (2 systems: one intel & one nvidia) - eventually just reinstalled jessie. he's now afraid of stretch, and the next couple of years... |
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| 15:14.09 | RawketLawncha | zykotick9: are you one of those people who still believe that linux is for gaming ? |
| 15:14.30 | zykotick9 | RawketLawncha: hehe, yup - that's my problem all right. |
| 15:15.00 | DoctorD90 | jelly, yuppi! it works :D but it still gives error while loading...but now it loads and boot gnome |
| 15:15.09 | DoctorD90 | im going to post image |
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| 15:17.47 | zarkos | http://pasted.co/c7000d02 |
| 15:17.57 | zarkos | the dns doesnt work |
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| 15:51.38 | j4ckcom | i canât resize partition at gparted. whatâs wrong? error message : An error occurred while applying the operations |
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| 15:53.46 | NeoXiD | No idea if it's of any interest, but as it took me a lot of time to get it all right: https://gist.github.com/NeoXiD/ccfbfce86484dc61834c1f17568d7b80 - TL;DR: "How to install Debian Stretch with FDE (GRUB-EFI, encrypted "/boot" with LUKS on MDADM, encrypted "/" with LVM on LUKS on MDADM) from Debian Live". Maybe someone is interested in ever trying such a setup. |
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| 16:22.24 | tx | KDE Plasma has a an update on stretch! |
| 16:22.28 | tx | Christmas has come too early. |
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| 16:35.11 | sh00p | xfce is where it's at |
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| 16:36.25 | tx | k |
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| 17:04.12 | chachasmooth | 8.8 coming today? |
| 17:05.47 | chachasmooth | oh, it's already been released |
| 17:05.53 | Azrael_- | babilen: seems like my problem was solved by switching everywhere to the fr-mirror. |
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| 17:12.24 | theflash | chachasmooth: Do you have the link for the 8.8 release ? |
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| 17:14.02 | TomTomTosch | theflash: https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170506 |
| 17:15.03 | theflash | Thank you, Tom |
| 17:15.18 | TomTomTosch | the installer images always come a little delayed. |
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| 17:48.00 | mxh- | Hey. Wondering if anyonyone got Debian to install on an NVMe drive only using the official installer. I.e. no manually installing grub to a partition. Both UEFI and Legacy Boot is fine by me I'm just a bit sick of not being able to run Debian for over a year now. |
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| 17:48.14 | mxh- | The problem is that grub fails to install. |
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| 18:18.38 | firef1y | Anybody have experience with disk encryption on debian? |
| 18:19.08 | zykotick9 | firef1y: i'd suggest a more specific question... |
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| 18:19.26 | firef1y | zykotick9: such as? |
| 18:19.33 | Azrael_- | firef1y: generally: yes |
| 18:19.35 | jelly | !ask |
| 18:19.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:19.57 | firef1y | I don't have a bug or anything with it. |
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| 18:20.32 | firef1y | I was just wondering if it worked well, or if I should watch out for certain things, or what people thought about it. |
| 18:20.53 | Azrael_- | if you know how it works and if you handle it properly it works like a charm |
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| 18:21.29 | jelly | luks pretty much works with default settings, and makes things slightly more complicated as much as any other layer in block device / filesystem setup. |
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| 18:23.24 | NeoXiD | firef1y: I just set up a LUKS-encrypted system and linked a Gist with a guide a few hours before. The only issue I currently occur is https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/1620 - but that's systemds fault |
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| 18:23.58 | NeoXiD | This only seems to happen with encrypted disks and mdadm combined though, but not 100% sure - it's a bit inconsistent, but does not cause any dataloss for me |
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| 18:26.10 | NeoXiD | But as others said, I used LUKS before (just not for FDE) and never had any issues. |
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| 18:27.26 | firef1y | hmm... |
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| 18:27.39 | firef1y | I'll see what happens. |
| 18:27.55 | imattxc | so, do the default video drivers with debian just have worse graphics performance on the integrated cards? I was getting 120fps in csgo on windows, here I get 30 |
| 18:28.21 | zykotick9 | imattxc: stretch? |
| 18:29.25 | imattxc | yeah, with hd 620. doesnt seem like there are alternative drivers or anything like that |
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| 18:30.12 | zykotick9 | imattxc: well <ONLY my experience> but 3D seems TOTALLY messed up in stretch... on both my nvidia & intel hardware. jessie works fine... best of luck. |
| 18:31.04 | imattxc | thanks, zykotick9. goot to know im not the odd one out! |
| 18:31.27 | zykotick9 | imattxc: you might want to try the #debian-next channel on OFTC? |
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| 18:35.43 | random_numbers | To upgrade to stretch one needs a kernel >= version 3.16.43 , does that mean I should add stretch to my sources and install it from there? |
| 18:36.31 | random_numbers | I'm told 8.8 jessie is a thing from the list, but either it hasn't propagated to my mirrors yet or for some reason my install's broken. |
| 18:38.40 | zykotick9 | random_numbers: are you familiar with the directions in "/msg dpkg jessie->stretch"? good luck. |
| 18:38.54 | random_numbers | zykotick9: I am not, but thanks for the referal. |
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| 18:43.10 | random_numbers | Ah, are backports packages liable to blow up everything? |
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| 18:44.55 | n4dir | the needed kernel will be installed after you changed the sources list (and ran update, upgrade, dist-upgrade, duh). |
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| 19:12.17 | Henry151_ | hello |
| 19:12.29 | Henry151_ | I am trying to figure out the right way to upgrade an individual package |
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| 19:15.16 | Henry151_ | basically, I am trying to get the same version of a game, openttd, onto two machines, one running debian. I have version 1.4.2 on one machine and 1.6 on the other. The current stable version is 1.7 on the openttd official website |
| 19:15.37 | n4dir | a game not to be found in the repos? |
| 19:15.44 | Henry151_ | it is in the repos |
| 19:16.00 | Henry151_ | but the repo did an outdated version |
| 19:16.02 | n4dir | and from the stable version to the backports version, or what? |
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| 19:16.38 | n4dir | if you want to add a package from testing to stable, the short anwser is: don't. |
| 19:16.42 | Henry151_ | I'm pretty clumsy with debian, but basically, I want to upgrade it to the latest version from here https://www.openttd.org/en/download-stable |
| 19:16.52 | Henry151_ | so that I can play online with people running 1.7 |
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| 19:17.22 | n4dir | i guess the default anwser then is: backport it yourself. There is a channel-bot entry how to do it, but i forgot what it is. let me try it via msg , give me a bit |
| 19:17.36 | debian8 | Debian 8.8 released, I used apt update and apt upgrade but I am still on 8.7 |
| 19:18.13 | n4dir | Henry151_: |
| 19:18.20 | n4dir | ! simple sid backport |
| 19:18.20 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 19:18.27 | n4dir | i think that might help |
| 19:18.52 | Henry151_ | thank you for the guidance |
| 19:19.07 | TomTomTosch | Henry151_: you are asking how to install from upstream? you pick the right package for your debian release and install it with dpkg -i <pkg> |
| 19:19.26 | n4dir | Henry151_: looks like they got deb packages for debian? I am not sure. (I would simply use it, but ... short: not sure) |
| 19:19.30 | Henry151_ | I was hoping there might be a way to add an entry to my sources.list that basically tells it to get that one package directly from openttd's official website |
| 19:20.13 | Henry151_ | TomTomTosch: So I can download the .deb file from https://www.openttd.org/en/download-stable and then run dpkg -i thatfile.deb? |
| 19:20.18 | TomTomTosch | yes |
| 19:20.22 | Henry151_ | sweet |
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| 19:20.27 | Henry151_ | I think that is the answer I was looking for |
| 19:21.23 | Henry151_ | I am actually running SkoleLinux on the one machine and Kali on the other but want to use these two machines to play the game without doing a complete re-install of operating systems |
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| 19:22.08 | Henry151_ | it took me forever to get the two machines running at all and I still haven't had time to play with Kali's tools and play with SkoleLinux so I don't want to go changing things around yet |
| 19:22.24 | Henry151_ | but figuring they are both debian I figured it should be possible, thanks for the help |
| 19:22.52 | debian8 | Debian 8.8 released, I used apt update and apt upgrade but I am still on 8.7 |
| 19:25.29 | Henry151_ | ok so now when I run dpkg -i file.deb i am getting an error saying it is already present and installed, is there an "update" option? |
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| 19:26.11 | SuperSeriousCat | You already got the deb's version |
| 19:26.26 | SuperSeriousCat | -i install and upgrade if needed |
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| 19:26.58 | Henry151_ | https://bpaste.net/show/fcef18ccb336 this is what I'm getting |
| 19:27.50 | Henry151_ | openttd conflicts with openttd-data |
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| 19:28.29 | SuperSeriousCat | Strange. I upgrade all the time with plex.deb's. Often able to play music uninterrupted |
| 19:28.42 | SuperSeriousCat | -i |
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| 19:29.27 | TomTomTosch | because the upstream package doesn't have it split into two. remove your old openttd |
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| 19:29.57 | Henry151_ | TomTomTosch: Will I lose my saved games etc? |
| 19:30.00 | random_numbers | n4dir: So the other packages won't make all sorts of strange problems within the time-gap between the kernel upgrade and the end of the dstro-upgrade? |
| 19:30.21 | TomTomTosch | Henry151_: possibly. find out where they are stored and make a copy. |
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| 19:34.04 | TomTomTosch | debian8: you will have to wait a bit till it rolls out. |
| 19:34.21 | TomTomTosch | base-files is still on 8.7 |
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| 19:35.12 | debian8 | TomTomTosch thank you :) |
| 19:35.12 | Henry151_ | dependency problems prevent configuration of openttd: |
| 19:35.12 | Henry151_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.12 | Henry151_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.12 | Henry151_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.12 | Henry151_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:35.30 | Henry151_ | sorry didn't mean to paste |
| 19:35.46 | debian8 | TomTomTosch where can I find the base-files? |
| 19:35.54 | TomTomTosch | ,v base-files |
| 19:35.55 | judd | Package: base-files on amd64 -- wheezy: 7.1wheezy11; jessie: 8+deb8u7; jessie-proposed-updates: 8+deb8u8; sid: 9.9; stretch: 9.9 |
| 19:36.31 | debian8 | Thank you very much :) |
| 19:36.33 | TomTomTosch | Henry151_: the upstream package works perfectly on jessie. which release are you on? |
| 19:39.58 | Henry151_ | I am running Kali Linux Rolling 4.8.0-kali2-amd64 on one machine and Debian 8.7 SkoleLinux 3.16.0-4-686-pae on the other |
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| 19:40.25 | Henry151_ | both have outdated versions of openttd, and I want to upgrade both to current |
| 19:41.01 | Henry151_ | the libicu52 and libpng12-0 errors were from the kali rolling machine |
| 19:41.31 | TomTomTosch | we don't support kali in here. #kali-linux is the right place. |
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| 19:42.12 | Henry151_ | TomTomTosch: Thanks for the help just the same, I just got it running on the SkoleLinux machine |
| 19:42.16 | Henry151_ | :D thank you |
| 19:42.28 | TomTomTosch | no problem ^^ |
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| 19:46.07 | Betlehem | xD |
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| 20:07.02 | netw1z | hey guys, i was able to upgrade python from 2.7.3 to 2.7.9 from source, but now no packages, and pip doesn't seem to work |
| 20:07.34 | student | Hi, I'm quite new in Debian : I just would like to know how to set new permanent aliases. I've checked my ~/.bash_profile and create a ~/.bash_aliases which contains some aliases like : alias downloads = "cd ~/Downloads/" (in way to check if it's work or not). Thanks for reading =) ! |
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| 20:07.49 | netw1z | i get this error: http://paste.debian.net/931072/ |
| 20:08.31 | student | * and it doesn't work |
| 20:09.43 | TomTomTosch | student: ~/.bash_aliases is a good place. you have to start a new shell afterwards or source ~/.bashrc again. |
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| 20:10.27 | student | Oh thanks I've forget to put source on it =D |
| 20:10.27 | TomTomTosch | student: and remove the spaces around = |
| 20:10.38 | student | ok |
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| 20:11.16 | TomTomTosch | put source on it? no, i mean source it so it takes effect. just start a new shell afterwards. |
| 20:11.30 | luna | The new Debian 8.8 will be out in 20 minutes i read |
| 20:11.50 | student | ok, I'll try |
| 20:11.53 | dvs | starts his watch |
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| 20:12.46 | student | thanks =) |
| 20:12.56 | student | * it works |
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| 20:17.58 | luna | https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170506 |
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| 20:37.46 | TomG2 | congrats, luna |
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| 20:39.11 | firef1y | so... |
| 20:39.22 | firef1y | what I'm hearing is wait half an hour before installing? |
| 20:40.11 | firef1y | 8.8 is coming soon? |
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| 20:41.17 | missmbob | why wait? just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 20:41.41 | TomG2 | someone just posted the news release, firefly |
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| 20:46.43 | teraflop | ^ |
| 20:47.04 | netw1z | how can i set my enviornmental varibles so that my python packages show up |
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| 20:47.29 | TomG2 | i use .bash_profile, netw1z |
| 20:47.33 | netw1z | I cant seem to access PIP globally unless i actually go to :/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages$ |
| 20:48.47 | teraflop | netw1z: sudo pip install things is a recipe for the disaster |
| 20:50.04 | netw1z | gotcha - what varible do i need to set so that i can run pip globally? or python has accesss to the packages in /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages again? |
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| 20:53.04 | teraflop | netw1z: add it to your path |
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| 20:53.59 | netw1z | .bashrc ? |
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| 21:02.05 | firef1y | missmbob: yeah... I could do that... |
| 21:02.16 | firef1y | Granted, I'm halfway through an 8.7 install |
| 21:02.25 | firef1y | so I'll probably do that anyway. |
| 21:09.04 | mandeep | netw1z: don't run pip globally. use --user or a virtualenv |
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| 21:13.03 | netw1z | gotcha @mandeep |
| 21:13.05 | netw1z | will do |
| 21:14.03 | BAlan | Does anyone remember the name of that command line utility in the VERY early releases that would go out searching for a filename online ? |
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| 21:21.24 | BAlan | Having a hell of a time trying to install utilities on Squeeze. 3/4 of the repos calls are failing and UPDATE is not functioning properly, I imagine there have been some URL changes. |
| 21:22.15 | dvs | BAlan, don't use ftp? |
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| 21:29.07 | jmcnaught | !squeeze sources.list |
| 21:29.08 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main". Put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf and run «aptitude update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts> <squeeze-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 21:29.25 | jmcnaught | BAlan: ^^ though it should go without saying that nobody should be using squeeze anymore |
| 21:29.44 | BAlan | dvs: I don't unless I can't find a website here the archive is located. And that's why I was looking for that obsolete unix file search tool... |
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| 22:01.49 | Iridos | you can squeeze another couple of years out of that system ^^ |
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| 22:09.15 | bhiliyam | Is there a way to make an application the default-application for all filetypes it supports? |
| 22:11.19 | teraflop | bhiliyam: hmm I dont think so |
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| 22:18.56 | Azrael_- | babilen: figured it out and now the problem doesn't arise any more. i was able to solve it by changing all mirrors to the fr-debian mirror. now everything is fine |
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| 22:26.45 | xnull | hi, any howto to install php7 on debian 8 ? i would like to build from scratch php7 and pack into .deb package |
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| 22:41.54 | woshty | xnull: Have you tried rebuilding the packages from testing for stable? |
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| 22:42.55 | xnull | woshty: i was reading here..https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
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| 22:45.12 | babilen | Azrael_-: Nice, I wonder what is wrong with ftp.debian.org then |
| 22:45.38 | xnull | woshty: im downloading debian 8 now and going to install it on virtualbox first |
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| 22:49.16 | woshty | xnull: If you are just playing around you could also try testing directly .. but that might not be a great idea if you are new to debian |
| 22:50.10 | xnull | woshty: do you mean install it from testing repo? php7.x ? ( i could do that if its oficial build by debian ) |
| 22:50.49 | woshty | xnull: https://debian-administration.org/article/20/Rebuilding_Debian_packages leaves lot of stuff out .. with a sources list file with just the src entries in sources.list |
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| 22:51.46 | woshty | xnull: There a different versions of Debian: stable, testing, and sid (unstable) |
| 22:51.59 | xnull | woshty: i know that, |
| 22:52.45 | woshty | xnull: php7 seems to be in the testing version. You could either completely upgrade your install to testing or try to just rebuild a testing package for use with stable |
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| 22:54.28 | woshty | xnull: Rebuilding is sometimes annoying because you might not just have to rebuild php7 but lots of other packages. |
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| 23:01.07 | zykotick9 | ,checkbackport php |
| 23:01.08 | judd | Backporting package php in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 23:01.44 | ewew | Hi. Does anyone have working udev rules for renaming network interfaces ? |
| 23:01.51 | missmbob | no, you have to do php7.0 |
| 23:01.56 | missmbob | ,checkbackport php7.0 |
| 23:02.14 | zykotick9 | missmbob: thanks. but xnull is already gone :( |
| 23:02.17 | missmbob | anyway i checked earlier and the answer is no. it fails |
| 23:02.57 | judd | Backporting package php7.0 in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libtidy-dev (>= 1:5.2.0), libzip-dev (>= 1.0.0). |
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| 23:04.46 | woshty | Have not been following this channel much as of late. Is xnull known here? |
| 23:05.11 | missmbob | no |
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| 23:06.53 | xnull | woshty: ups my pc crashed, damn linuxmint something is weird, with chrome,ram when my ram is almost out, sometimes the pc gets really slow, and i cannot do anything beside hard reboot |
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| 23:08.16 | justin_smith | I was following the instructions on this page to update a 32 bit system to 64 and during the 'dpkg --install /var/cache/apt/archives/*_amd64.deb' I ended up with a broken dpkg https://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading |
| 23:08.38 | justin_smith | is there a strightforward way to put the dpkg I have in cache in place by hand rather than doing a full reinstall from scratch? |
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| 23:09.47 | woshty | xnull: We found out that rebuild the package from testing for stable is not an easy way to go. |
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| 23:10.33 | TomG2 | justin_smith, i've never done cross-grading, but what do you mean by "dpkg I have in cache"? |
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| 23:10.42 | xnull | woshty: so should i use some unoficial packages? |
| 23:10.43 | TomG2 | do you mean all your .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 23:10.46 | justin_smith | TomG2: the dpkg .deb that is downloaded |
| 23:10.48 | justin_smith | right |
| 23:11.05 | justin_smith | specifically the pakcage for dpkg itself, which is hosed |
| 23:11.09 | justin_smith | it needs to be replaced |
| 23:11.21 | justin_smith | I get exec-format-error when I try to run it (other commands work) |
| 23:11.38 | TomG2 | maybe you're done and just need to reboot |
| 23:11.45 | TomG2 | do you have an amd64 kernel installed? |
| 23:11.46 | woshty | xnull: Just install debian testing. It is less stable of course. But should work for trying things out. |
| 23:11.47 | justin_smith | rebooting right now :) |
| 23:11.54 | justin_smith | yes, 64 bit kernel |
| 23:12.13 | xnull | woshty: i cannot, i need php7 on my vps which runs debian7 |
| 23:12.22 | xnull | woshty: debian8 sorry |
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| 23:12.36 | justin_smith | after reboot: +justin@fizzy: ~$ dpkg --help --- -bash: /usr/bin/dpkg: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error |
| 23:13.51 | justin_smith | TomG2: hmm . my shell is acting like it doesnt like 64 bit executables |
| 23:13.57 | zykotick9 | ^ reason #284 not to crossgrade... ;) best of luck justin_smith |
| 23:14.12 | TomG2 | do apt or tar work? are you sure you booted with the amd64 kernel? |
| 23:14.22 | justin_smith | OK - pebkack, this is not an amd64 kernel |
| 23:14.27 | justin_smith | I can't believe I missed that |
| 23:14.40 | justin_smith | my fault, thanks for the help, I'll just reinstall, it's a relatively new system |
| 23:14.43 | TomG2 | no problem, just brain burn out |
| 23:14.53 | justin_smith | should have had coffee today |
| 23:15.11 | TomG2 | you can always use ar to install the i386 kernel |
| 23:15.39 | justin_smith | wait, what I have now is the 686 kernel |
| 23:15.57 | TomG2 | though you would need tar... why do you need to reinstall? |
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| 23:17.17 | justin_smith | TomG2: apt isn't usable, I guess I could use ar to get the 386 dpkg and apt back, and from that I could get the amd64 kernel etc. |
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| 23:17.36 | justin_smith | or am I missing something else here? |
| 23:17.44 | TomG2 | justin_smith, howcome the amd64 kernel isn't already installed? |
| 23:18.04 | justin_smith | TomG2: that was my mistake - amd64 kernel was the first step and I thought I had done it already |
| 23:18.25 | justin_smith | (I had upgraded to an rt kernel, and misremembered picking an amd64 one) |
| 23:18.27 | TomG2 | maybe the fastest way is to use an install disc as a rescue image |
| 23:18.37 | justin_smith | oh, that might be, yes |
| 23:18.51 | TomG2 | and just boot with a 64 bit kernel there, and then install it with apt |
| 23:18.53 | woshty | xnull: I would advice against non-official packages. |
| 23:19.12 | justin_smith | TomG2: cool - that might be the simplest thing |
| 23:19.32 | xnull | woshty: yeah, thats why i want to build php from scratch |
| 23:20.04 | TomG2 | in my experience just about everything can be solved in Linux from the root prompt or a rescue CD :) |
| 23:20.30 | TomG2 | though i'm not as experienced as many who hang out in a #debian channel... |
| 23:20.50 | justin_smith | so I would boot from rescue, then mount / rw, then install amd64 kernel? |
| 23:21.20 | woshty | TomG2: Does that include understanding grub? ;) |
| 23:22.11 | TomG2 | justin_smith, make sure you are booting an amd64 kernel from the rescue CD/DVD, and then choose "execute a shell in the chroot environment" |
| 23:22.26 | woshty | TomG2: I always fail at that point doing anything with bootable media .. |
| 23:22.39 | justin_smith | OK - then the apt that is already on that disk would work, right |
| 23:23.05 | justin_smith | and I let the install script with the kernel mess with the grub part :) |
| 23:23.21 | TomG2 | if you can get that far i think you'll basically be done. you may have to start networking in order to download the kernel, or install it from the boot DVD if it's the same version |
| 23:23.24 | woshty | xnull: That might also not work if php7 need libraries that are not available in Debian stable in the required version |
| 23:23.36 | woshty | +s |
| 23:23.37 | TomG2 | woshty, i guess i don't really understand grub |
| 23:23.57 | xnull | woshty: well others made deb packages (php )for debian8 |
| 23:24.32 | zykotick9 | xnull: but, can you trust "others"? |
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| 23:24.51 | xnull | zykotick9: no, thats why i want to build it from sources |
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| 23:31.05 | zykotick9 | xnull: <sidenote> i had to just run lsb_release to confirm debian8 = jessie. the debian community uses release codename more then version #s. |
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| 23:35.33 | lechatnoire | Morning. |
| 23:35.40 | dirac1 | Morning. |
| 23:36.47 | zykotick9 | ^ where TZAG (Time Zone Appropriate Greeting) is handy... it's evning where i am ;) |
| 23:36.50 | lechatnoire | I've just realised that neither bootlogd nor dmesg are logging during boot, apparently as some Fine Amazing New systemd feature. Any ideas of fixes / workarounds? |
| 23:37.05 | lechatnoire | Bug 791907 |
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| 23:38.00 | lechatnoire | do the bots give bug descriptions? |
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| 23:41.10 | lechatnoire | Anyhow: I've got a box that's rebooting during bootup, and I'd appreciate if it would leave some indication as to why. |
| 23:41.12 | zykotick9 | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/791907 in bootlogd (closed, patch): «bootlogd: /var/log/boot is empty with systemd»; severity: grave; opened: 2015-07-09; last modified: 2016-07-17. <- yes... not sure why yours didn't work? |
| 23:41.13 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/791907 in bootlogd (closed, patch): «bootlogd: /var/log/boot is empty with systemd»; severity: grave; opened: 2015-07-09; last modified: 2016-07-17. |
| 23:41.40 | lechatnoire | zykotick9: The fix is to update the description of bootlogd to note that it doesn't work with systemd. |
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| 23:42.08 | zykotick9 | lechatnoire: sorry, i have NO ideas about your actual issue! best of luck. |
| 23:42.11 | lechatnoire | zykotick9: ... that's not ... particularly useful if what you need is boot-time logging. |
| 23:42.14 | lechatnoire | zykotick9: :) |
| 23:43.25 | lechatnoire | Alternatively: is there something I can pass the kernel at boot time that tells it to wait for a few seconds before rebooting so that I can read the console messages? |
| 23:43.25 | justin_smith | TomG2: dpkg is complaining that it cannot find the status area |
| 23:43.49 | TomG2 | are you sure you're in the chroot environment? |
| 23:44.03 | TomG2 | df -h / |
| 23:44.04 | TomG2 | maybe |
| 23:44.08 | justin_smith | oh, how do I get to the chroot environment? is that the thing that mentioned the installer? |
| 23:44.35 | justin_smith | I have my root file system mounted on /, with the installer disk's busybox shell |
| 23:44.58 | TomG2 | you have booted by typing "rescue" it will provide a menu of how you want to start a shell |
| 23:45.42 | justin_smith | umm... that doens't sound like the startup I got from this disk at all - I picked "rescue" from the menu that the debian installer disk gave me |
| 23:46.02 | justin_smith | and it walked me through the same first steps as doing an install without the gui |
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| 23:46.10 | TomG2 | sounds normal so far |
| 23:46.26 | justin_smith | then I picked "rescue shell with sda1 mounted on /" |
| 23:46.31 | justin_smith | that was the wrong choice then? |
| 23:46.56 | justin_smith | I'll try again and look for a chroot option - the only other thing I noticed was an installer shell, that didn't sound right |
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| 23:47.19 | justin_smith | I mean sda1 mounted on / sounds a lot like a chroot but I didn't see that specific term |
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| 23:47.44 | awal1 | ,v pepper-flash-plugin-nonfree |
| 23:47.45 | judd | No package named 'pepper-flash-plugin-nonfree' was found in amd64. |
| 23:47.47 | justin_smith | anyway, it won't let me dpkg because it can't find the status area |
| 23:47.48 | lechatnoire | justin_smith: I missed the start of this. What are you trying to do? |
| 23:47.59 | TomG2 | i'll start the rescue disc in an emulator to make sure i can follow along what you're doing |
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| 23:48.18 | lechatnoire | judd: Do you have non-free repos in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 23:48.20 | justin_smith | lechatnoire: I flubbed a crossgrade from 1306 to amd64, thought I had the amd64 kernel already but I didn't |
| 23:48.33 | justin_smith | lechatnoire: so I was left with apt and dpkg that couldn't be run by my kernel |
| 23:48.35 | awal1 | ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 23:48.36 | judd | Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib: 1.8.1+deb8u1; sid/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1 |
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| 23:49.12 | justin_smith | lechatnoire: now I'm in a rescue disk, with amd64 kernel, trying to install an amd64 kernel (everything else on my disk is fine, so maybe I don't need to do a full system install?) |
| 23:49.16 | lechatnoire | starts learning the new bots. |
| 23:49.17 | TomG2 | lechatnoire, i suggested he boot a rescue DVD to repair the installation, which seemed easy at the time |
| 23:49.25 | lechatnoire | TomG2: Right. |
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| 23:49.46 | justin_smith | so it can't access the status area |
| 23:49.53 | lechatnoire | justin_smith: What's a 1306? i386? |
| 23:50.02 | justin_smith | lechatnoire: typo, yes |
| 23:50.08 | lechatnoire | justin_smith: OK, that's clearer. |
| 23:50.23 | TomG2 | justin_smith, it sounds like amd64 is running, it's just not got the right directory tree yet |
| 23:50.26 | lechatnoire | justin_smith: I'm ... not sure that your packages are going to be happy here. |
| 23:50.35 | justin_smith | TomG2: the kernel is running, not installed |
| 23:50.41 | justin_smith | my actual directory is installed on / |
| 23:50.47 | justin_smith | I want to install the kernel... |
| 23:51.12 | TomG2 | have you run dpkg --add-architecture amd64 yet? |
| 23:51.12 | lechatnoire | justin_smith: If you've got your system disk mounted, cd to it, and 'chroot . /bin/bash' |
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| 23:51.26 | justin_smith | lechatnoire: OK - one minute |
| 23:51.50 | lechatnoire | justin_smith: ... should put you into that environment. If you've got amd64 sources in /etc/apt/sources.list, you should be able to install from that. |
| 23:52.02 | lechatnoire | justin_smith: I ... wrote the original chroot install docs, a long time ago. |
| 23:52.12 | justin_smith | OK - the chroot succeeded, and I am in bash |
| 23:52.17 | lechatnoire | justin_smith: Yay! |
| 23:52.17 | TomG2 | he was following the guide on the debian wiki |
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| 23:53.26 | justin_smith | OK - next issue, is that /var is empty |
| 23:53.35 | lechatnoire | justin_smith: Not mounted. |
| 23:53.58 | justin_smith | I don't recall making a separate partition for /var... but I'll try |
| 23:54.13 | lechatnoire | justin_smith: /etc/init.d/mountall start |
| 23:54.18 | TomG2 | maybe you made it in the install process? |
| 23:54.21 | lechatnoire | justin_smith: ... I think. Or 'mount -a' |
| 23:54.45 | TomG2 | mount -a ought to work too, at least on systems that use fstab... |
| 23:54.48 | lechatnoire | justin_smith: If you've got separate partitions for /var, /usr, /tmp, etc, they're not mounted at boot. |
| 23:54.58 | lechatnoire | TomG2: Is fstab not being used any more? |
| 23:55.07 | lechatnoire | TomG2: ... another systemd thing? |
| 23:55.13 | TomG2 | i don't know, i just fear ... systemd... |
| 23:55.52 | lechatnoire | TomG2: I hear you. |
| 23:56.07 | lechatnoire | justin_smith: Do you have any filesystems mounted yet? |
| 23:57.44 | lechatnoire | justin_smith: I'm also trying to remember how Debian determines what the local system architecture is. |
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| 23:57.58 | lechatnoire | ... for packaging purposes. Because it's _not_ by /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:58.02 | lechatnoire | Maybe uname? |
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| 23:59.32 | justin_smith | lechatnoire: hey thanks, var wasn't mounted |
| 23:59.56 | justin_smith | once I mounted it things started working (I was already chrooted the first time too, but switching to bash from busybox was nice) |
| 23:59.57 | TomG2 | lechatnoire, apparently dpkg --add-architecture |
