| 00:00.47 | gry | ReeeSearch: unfortunately this is not a reason for 'not using' it, it is a reason for 'fixing' it, and it is out of the scope of what i can participate in |
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| 00:00.53 | ReeeSearch | and just to get this right.. blobs are a close source file (that is used when booting the system)? |
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| 00:01.31 | ReeeSearch | gry: reason i am not using it is because it can not be used as in not bootable |
| 00:02.10 | gry | ReeeSearch: for the second point -- when you are using a distro, you can configure it to behave (ie disable nonfree), but other people will see the word 'debian' flash on your screen or can simply ask what you are using. this is called 'spreading the word'. when spreading word about debian, you need to tell people to diable nonfree. when spreading word about gnewsense or trisquel, you don't have to waste time |
| 00:02.16 | gry | elaborating on nonfree, because it is already removed there |
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| 00:02.42 | gry | if it is not bootable you can make it bootable. 'does not work therefore put it in the bin' is a dangerous way to think |
| 00:05.14 | ReeeSearch | i would have to tell people to remove non-free software if i would like them to use it as i do, which is highly likely |
| 00:06.16 | ReeeSearch | and yes it's not a logical way to think that just because it's not working it belongs in a bin, because it does not, it belongs in work area where it can be worked on so it would be fixed |
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| 00:09.06 | ReeeSearch | so.. what i have to do is.. install trisquel (or any other system that is not bootable and then make it bootable by perhaps*?* copying some files say /boot/EFI to the /boot/EFI on the non-bootable system. what do i do when it comes to entirely encrypting the drive and still make it bootable, my guess is to make space for a ext2 partition about 200-400 mb space and then copy /boot/ to the partition? |
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| 00:17.38 | ReeeSearch | gry ^ |
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| 00:22.23 | gry | ReeeSearch: when you do this it is a good idea to have the conversation in one place (ie #trisquel) and not ask here (this channel does not support debian derivs because they may have subtle hard-to-identify problems) and maybe ask #gnu or #fsf but they will probably help with less info than #trisquel itself |
| 00:22.29 | ReeeSearch | thanks gry, i will. just curious, would it be normal to fix a unbootable uefi system by creating ext2 partition and move /boot/ to it? |
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| 00:22.58 | gry | no idea, i do not know how efi or uefi work. they just work for me and i do not know how. sorry |
| 00:23.19 | ReeeSearch | alright, no problemo |
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| 00:29.23 | bliksem_ | Hello.. I've done mkdir in my home directory and I want this dir to point to /var/www/public_html so that a user can access, alter and edit the web content stored in /var/www/public_html - how do I do this? Can anyone please assist? |
| 00:30.10 | TomG_ | hi bliksem_, it sounds like you need to use UNIX permissions to get what you want |
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| 00:30.45 | bliksem_ | TomG_: Thanks for the reply, I'm new to all of this.. do you have a document I can read/follow? |
| 00:30.53 | TomG_ | you'll have to change the permissions or use a symbolic link |
| 00:31.27 | TomG_ | there's here http://www.ugu.com/sui/ugu/show?I=help.beginners |
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| 00:32.06 | TomG_ | it sounds like you might want to change the ownership (not permissions) of all of /var/www/public_html and maybe just edit things in there |
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| 00:34.03 | TomG_ | either that or move /var/www/public_html to your home directory and set up a symbolic link owned by your user.... i *think* Apache will follow that, but i'm not totally sure |
| 00:35.55 | TomG_ | bliksem_, oh and there's http://linuxjourney.com/ for learning UNIX/Linux nowadays :-) |
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| 00:40.28 | TomG_ | maybe he can just add his user to the www-data group |
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| 00:42.40 | nickgaw | Hi, How often does unattended-upgrades run if it is installed and set to install updates? |
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| 00:45.59 | gry | nickgaw: every day |
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| 01:04.27 | nickgaw | How would I add contrib and non-free as well as security to the unattended-upgrades file in apt.conf.d as lots of things are commented out with 2 //? |
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| 03:08.13 | nickgaw | What is the proper method for unpacking a cpio archive? |
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| 03:10.52 | TomG_ | cpio -id <foo |
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| 03:12.49 | nickgaw | so it is cpio -id <file then directory? |
| 03:14.12 | TomG_ | no, the directories will be made by the -d option |
| 03:14.19 | TomG_ | if you want, you can make a new directory with mkdir |
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| 03:14.59 | nickgaw | What I wish to do is extract the cpio archive into an empty directory how would I do this? Do I need to make the directory first? |
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| 03:16.24 | TomG_ | yes, you'd have to :) |
| 03:16.37 | nickgaw | I am trying to extract the initrd of the gtk version of the debian-installer just to look at it and I wish to do this into an empty directory do I need to create it first? |
| 03:16.59 | TomG_ | yep |
| 03:17.17 | nickgaw | So what would I type once I make the directory to get everything unpacked properly? |
| 03:20.13 | nickgaw | Should I first gunzip the initrd image or leave it gzip? |
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| 04:02.58 | TomG_ | nickgaw, you'll need to gunzip it |
| 04:03.04 | TomG_ | if it's gzipped ;) |
| 04:03.27 | TomG_ | nickgaw, you don't know how to cd into directories yet? you probably need a UNIX beginner crash course |
| 04:04.08 | nickgaw | I do know how to do that just was wondering what method I should use to unpack this cpio archive. |
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| 04:08.17 | TomG_ | i think it's time to just try a few things, in a newly created directory just for this project |
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| 05:33.01 | dickslut | SUDO MUST BE OWNED BY UID 0 ERRORPLEASE HELP |
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| 05:35.13 | ambientstate | Howdy, so we are on Debian 9, right? |
| 05:35.33 | ambientstate | Or is it Debian 8 point something now? |
| 05:35.53 | dickslut | 8 versions too many lol |
| 05:36.09 | jmcnaught | Debian 8 is the current stable release |
| 05:36.30 | ambientstate | I was wondering about the AMD ATI drivers, proprietary, are those instructions still good? |
| 05:36.45 | ambientstate | The debian documentation I mean |
| 05:36.52 | jmcnaught | which URL are you asking about? |
| 05:36.54 | ambientstate | When you look up ATI |
| 05:37.16 | dickslut | can someone pls help? apt also give chmod error |
| 05:37.21 | ambientstate | https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 05:37.58 | ambientstate | I have a really old laptop with AMD ATI and want to install those old drivers to get some oomph out of it |
| 05:38.22 | jmcnaught | ambientstate: the instructions there should work for Debian 8, however the ATI proprietary driver is sort of crap and breaks GNOME |
| 05:38.40 | jmcnaught | if it's already working reasonably well with radeon i would leave it alone |
| 05:38.50 | ambientstate | This laptop is not powerful enough to run gnome |
| 05:39.05 | ambientstate | And I want smoother video playback |
| 05:39.18 | ambientstate | Any little bit counts |
| 05:39.30 | dickslut | GNOME is the standard linux graphical env, if you cant run it buy a new one |
| 05:39.41 | jmcnaught | have you checked to see if the version of fglrx in Debian 8 still has support for your card? |
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| 05:39.47 | ambientstate | dickslut, Alas, no money. |
| 05:39.56 | ambientstate | No onme wishes to compensate me for my labors |
| 05:39.56 | jmcnaught | also did you follow https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo ? |
| 05:40.34 | ambientstate | Yeah, it kep complaining that there is no ati drivers in the repository |
| 05:40.37 | ambientstate | Hence why I asked |
| 05:40.46 | ambientstate | Maybe I did not install hard enoug |
| 05:40.48 | ambientstate | h |
| 05:41.08 | ambientstate | I need to install harder! Bwhahahah! |
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| 05:42.54 | jmcnaught | if you need help with a specific error then telling us the error would be a good first step |
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| 05:44.00 | ambientstate | yeah, I'm reinstalling now |
| 05:44.06 | ambientstate | I borked it |
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| 05:45.40 | dickslut | sudo must be owned by uid 0, please help |
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| 05:48.58 | jmcnaught | could you provide more detail? also changing your nick might help you get more assistance. |
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| 05:51.08 | dickslut | I run su or sudo and it does that |
| 05:51.27 | Xversial | Just wondering, why is #ubuntu more popular then #debian when debian is clearly superior? |
| 05:51.44 | ambientstate | Xversial, Drivers. |
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| 05:53.12 | Xversial | Wouldn't any Ubuntu drivers work on Debian since Ubuntu is an extension of Debian? |
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| 05:54.47 | jmcnaught | Xversial: the two share a lot of tools and developers, but are not binary compatible with each other because their stable releases usually have different versions of important libraries like libc6. This is a support channel however, if you want to discuss distros then #debian-offtopic is a better place for that ⺠|
| 05:55.31 | Xversial | I see, thank you :) |
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| 06:02.26 | ambientstate | "couldn't find any package that matches description, fglrx-driver" |
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| 06:03.25 | jmcnaught | ambientstate: are you 1. using Debian 8, 2. do you have non-free repositories in your sources.list file? |
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| 06:04.03 | ambientstate | yes, I am using ebian 8 and I have the non free repository enabled |
| 06:04.39 | sixie | fresh install of 8 cinnamon on an rog gl552...cannot get wicd or any network mgr to recognize the wireless card. i have tried the rfkill unblock all...it is neither soft nor hard blocked. in the network mgr - airplane mode shows off, but the light on the keyboard shows on and vice versa |
| 06:05.03 | jmcnaught | ambientstate: did you run "apt update" after adding the non-free repo? were there errors? |
| 06:05.25 | ambientstate | I ran update and no errors or complaints bounced back |
| 06:05.29 | jmcnaught | sixie: is the wireless card USB or built-in? |
| 06:05.37 | jmcnaught | !bat |
| 06:05.37 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 06:05.49 | sixie | jmcnaught built in |
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| 06:06.05 | jmcnaught | ambientstate: can you make a paste with the above info on the paste site listed above? |
| 06:07.11 | jmcnaught | sixie: can you please run "lspci -nn | grep -i net" and tell us the PCI id for your wireless card? it will look like [abcd:1234] |
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| 06:07.58 | sixie | jmcnaught 8086:095a |
| 06:08.47 | jmcnaught | judd: pciid 8086:095a |
| 06:08.48 | judd | [8086:095a] is 'Wireless 7265' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:095a |
| 06:10.10 | jmcnaught | sixie: if you run "dmesg | grep firmware" you probably see messages about missing firmware files? You probably need the firmware-iwlwifi package from non-free for your card to work |
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| 06:10.45 | sixie | i know the files that are missing but how to i add them jmcnaught |
| 06:11.01 | jmcnaught | take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 06:11.51 | sixie | thanks i appreciate you |
| 06:12.02 | jmcnaught | if you're connected with ethernet just install the package that you need |
| 06:12.48 | jmcnaught | if you don't have ethernet as an option, then download the .deb file from the packages.debian.org page for the package, copy it to a USB stick, and use "dpkg -i firmwareâ¦deb" to install it |
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| 06:33.57 | sixie | jmcnaught mission accomplished sir, thanks |
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| 06:46.48 | jmcnaught | sixie: nice. next time you need to install Debian there's a non-official ISO that contains most firmwares (including yours). There's a link to it in the install manual. You can also have the firmwares on a second USB disk/partition to have them installed during the installer |
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| 06:53.10 | sixie | i'm used to doing installs with one usb...smh learned lol always another way around |
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| 07:44.38 | astephanh | Hi. is there a quick way to get an changelog of all packages who would be upgraded by aptitude safe-upgrade? |
| 07:46.28 | pingfloyd | astephanh: do a dry-run |
| 07:46.47 | pingfloyd | apt-get -s ... |
| 07:47.00 | jelly-home | astephanh: install apt-listchanges, and configure it to ask you for confirmation before installing |
| 07:47.04 | pingfloyd | if you want a copy of the output just redirect it to a file |
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| 07:47.18 | jelly-home | apt-get won't display changelogs on its own |
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| 07:48.06 | astephanh | does apt-listchanges display changes after download and before installing packages? |
| 07:48.12 | jelly-home | yes |
| 07:48.38 | jelly-home | hooks into apt-get/aptitude |
| 07:48.42 | astephanh | ok. i'll have a look |
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| 08:15.13 | woshty | How stupid would it be to run encfs over sshfs? |
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| 08:17.14 | jelly-home | !tias |
| 08:17.15 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 08:29.56 | moozer | Do you guys have experience with alternative to slack? Some collaboration program with chat, gourps chat, file share and such? |
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| 08:37.50 | blackflow | moozer: irc :) |
| 08:38.24 | moozer | blackflow: Yeah, I know, but it is a hard sell to my colleagues |
| 08:38.34 | antto | i want to edit a theme config, but with a graphical editor, not with pico.. do i just "su" and then run mousepad from the terminal? |
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| 08:39.36 | moozer | antto: system themes? "su -c mousepad <filename>" or use gksu |
| 08:40.16 | moozer | antto: not recommended though, perhaps copy it to your users, edit it, and then copy back |
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| 08:41.00 | antto | generally it's not recommended to run GUI programs as root while running as a normal user? |
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| 08:42.49 | moozer | antto: In my experience, GUI and root don't play nice. They are not made for the level of security you need when running as root. |
| 08:43.18 | moozer | and you usually end up with files owned by root, they the normal user then cannot change |
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| 08:43.49 | moozer | antto: it works though. Kali linux does everything as root |
| 08:44.05 | antto | yeah, i think i messed up the user's desktop once in a linux installation after running kate from terminal with sudo |
| 08:45.09 | moozer | antto: If yo uonly have one user on your system, you oucld have custom them for the specific user, and avoid the issue |
| 08:45.26 | antto | how? |
| 08:45.43 | moozer | antto: which themes are you trying to change? |
| 08:45.56 | antto | i want to edit it till it stops annoying me, so that means i will edit, apply, edit again, apply again.. lots of times |
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| 08:46.03 | antto | Clearlooks |
| 08:46.11 | moozer | antto: is it for your xfce? |
| 08:46.17 | antto | lxde |
| 08:46.50 | moozer | antto: untested, but http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2015/11/beginner-lxde-desktop-customization-guide.html |
| 08:47.02 | antto | the "gray" on the windows is too bright |
| 08:47.48 | moozer | antto: it looks like your can change stuff in ~/.theme, ~/.icons and so on - no need to be root |
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| 08:48.15 | moozer | antto: I don't use LDXE, so I'm not help with the specifics |
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| 08:48.57 | moozer | antto: I googled "ldxe custom themes" :-) |
| 08:49.16 | antto | so i just copy the whole Clearlooks theme into ~/.theme/<here> and then it will load it from here? |
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| 08:50.41 | moozer | antto: maybe... I usually play with a virtual machine, so I don't break anything important. |
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| 08:50.57 | moozer | antto: you could add a new user to play with |
| 08:51.17 | antto | true |
| 08:51.39 | moozer | antto: or just be strong in backup/restore |
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| 09:03.32 | antto | wow, it works |
| 09:03.41 | antto | moozer, much thanks! |
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| 09:05.36 | moozer | glad to help |
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| 09:52.22 | Night_Elf | Hello all. I am using debian7, and in this system there's a couple of days that, websites which have embeded youtube videos, show just the white background. In my laptop with debian8 they show and play correctly though, and also on another computer with linux mint they show correctly. What can it be? |
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| 09:55.34 | blackflow | Night_Elf: old browser? |
| 09:55.35 | vlt | Night_Elf: The browser version maybe? |
| 09:56.23 | Night_Elf | Hmmm. Could be. I'll run some tests then. |
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| 10:09.01 | Night_Elf | I updated all I could and now I have firefox-esr 45.9.0esr-1~deb7u1. But there still is that blank area where the youtube embeded videos should be in the websites that contain them. |
| 10:09.26 | babilen | Which browser versions did you compare? |
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| 10:10.41 | Night_Elf | I tried to get palemoon but for some reason it didn't run. So then I tried with a vm that has debian8 that I have here, and in that it worked ok. |
| 10:10.55 | Night_Elf | firefox there too, same version. |
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| 10:32.01 | MrDetonia | I'm having some odd behaviour from newaliases when upgrading postfix - it seems to be trying to find an interface for an IP address that has nothing to do with me - more worryingly I see a connect() call to that IP in the strace. Any ideas on config files to check? - I've looked at hosts, postfix config, etc. |
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| 10:44.08 | jelly | MrDetonia: upgrading from what to what? |
| 10:45.26 | MrDetonia | jelly: Setting up postfix (2.11.3-1+deb8u2) |
| 10:45.42 | MrDetonia | won't print what from, but I update fairly often so I'd assume whatever the last version in Jessie was |
| 10:46.50 | jelly | ok, so merely patching up jessie |
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| 10:47.40 | MrDetonia | yeah |
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| 10:47.59 | jelly | MrDetonia: pastebin your suspicious behaviour, and also output of "postconf -n" and "postconf -Mf" |
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| 10:51.01 | MrDetonia | jelly: this is the behaviour I don't like: https://ghostbin.com/paste/qf8yv |
| 10:51.15 | MrDetonia | postconf -n https://w1r3.net/VHKBhG.txt |
| 10:51.25 | MrDetonia | postconf -Mf https://w1r3.net/TmCGJR.txt |
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| 10:52.03 | MrDetonia | that address resolves to 'cheaperelsewhere.com' - some US company I have no relation to |
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| 10:54.02 | jelly | MrDetonia: hm, show your "ip a" and /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf as well. |
| 10:56.09 | MrDetonia | mind if I PM you the ip a? |
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| 10:56.29 | jelly | yes, I'd mind. |
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| 10:56.40 | MrDetonia | hosts https://w1r3.net/GAVohr.txt |
| 10:56.42 | jelly | you want help in public, provide info in public |
| 10:56.57 | MrDetonia | and resolvconf https://w1r3.net/XZfacx.txt |
| 10:57.20 | MrDetonia | I'll post a snippet here |
| 10:57.38 | MrDetonia | https://ghostbin.com/paste/9odgg |
| 10:57.49 | MrDetonia | other interfaces are for VPN and docker - no relation once more |
| 10:57.55 | jelly | nothing immediately obvious |
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| 10:58.39 | jelly | I'll be afk, but if you can, provide more info about what newaliases does and where it comes from. dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which newaliases)) |
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| 10:58.57 | MrDetonia | newaliases is just a symlink to sendmail |
| 10:59.18 | jelly | MrDetonia: also strace -f -eopen,connect,socket,bind newaliases |
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| 11:00.36 | MrDetonia | https://w1r3.net/rCxTbT.txt strace |
| 11:01.09 | MrDetonia | it's the very last connect() call - I've looked through the files it opens and nothing in there |
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| 11:28.25 | hpfmn | I have problem shutting down an apu board |
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| 11:49.15 | jelly | MrDetonia: what's in /etc/mailname btw? |
| 11:49.48 | MrDetonia | mrdetonia.com |
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| 11:52.04 | candidat | hahaha i found why my connection was so slow, it s because of the vpn :) |
| 11:52.17 | jelly | MrDetonia: maybe your dns recursor at 127.0.0.1 is doing something weird that makes postfix refer to that weird address |
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| 12:00.04 | blackflow | I have a custom .desktop file for an application (PyCharm) in ~/.local/share/application but it doesn't seem to behave like other app icons, Gnome 3. It never appears in the Frequent apps list (and it's the most used app), I _can_ search for it, but once open, I can't rightclick and Favorize it. Any ideas? |
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| 12:00.59 | blackflow | the icon otherwise works normally as in it has correct exec and image paths, and launches the application it's supposed to |
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| 13:08.08 | Somelauw | this can't be good, can it? "Warning: Unable to find an initial ram disk that I know how to handle. Will not try to make an initrd." |
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| 13:09.27 | jelly | maybe it can, maybe it can't |
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| 13:09.47 | jelly | maybe you don't want to boot that kernel anyway! |
| 13:10.40 | Somelauw | You mean I can always use an older kernel |
| 13:11.28 | Somelauw | 4.9.0-2-amd64 |
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| 13:12.03 | Somelauw | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/kbl_guc_ver9_14.bin for module i915 |
| 13:12.47 | jelly | that's jsut a W:arning |
| 13:13.28 | jelly | judd: file kbl_guc_ver9_14.bin |
| 13:13.32 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 13:13.53 | jelly | Somelauw: #intel-gfx people might know where to get it |
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| 13:14.29 | Somelauw | I should be on stretch/amd64 |
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| 13:15.46 | jelly | so basically there is no modern gpu that doesn't need external firmware |
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| 13:17.25 | advisor | hi guys, quick question: when executing an aptitude safe-upgrade or full-upgrade, does this automatically also update the apt cache? running debian jessie. thank you |
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| 13:21.43 | abrotman | advisor: aptitude update |
| 13:21.47 | at0m | advisor: no, you would "aptitude update" to update the cache |
| 13:21.54 | advisor | thank you |
| 13:22.12 | at0m | 'upgrade' then applies the available updates |
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| 13:22.51 | at0m | well, not to get lost in symantics, 'update' syncs the available packages from the repositories to your apt cache |
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| 13:23.58 | advisor | i see |
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| 13:24.23 | [sr] | howdy |
| 13:24.25 | [sr] | simple question |
| 13:24.45 | [sr] | i can change the email which to send the scripts output of cron |
| 13:24.48 | [sr] | this in crontab |
| 13:25.00 | [sr] | but on the scripts that are in cron.dayly/weekly/etc |
| 13:25.10 | advisor | [sr]: set MAILTO= |
| 13:25.11 | [sr] | would it be possible to override it? |
| 13:25.31 | [sr] | advisor: i tested that but didn't worked, or i did something wrong |
| 13:25.33 | [sr] | anyway |
| 13:25.41 | [sr] | in crontab i can use something like ths right? |
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| 13:25.52 | antto | it seems there's an issue with my local debian package source.. do i just add another mirror into synaptic? |
| 13:25.54 | [sr] | * * ** ............... /script1 |
| 13:25.58 | [sr] | MAILTO:aaaaaaaa |
| 13:26.03 | [sr] | * * * * * /script2 |
| 13:26.06 | [sr] | MAILTO:bbbbbbbbbbbbb |
| 13:26.19 | [sr] | since it'll overside the variable, it may work no? advisor |
| 13:26.28 | advisor | [sr]: you're not setting the variable right, it's a = not a : |
| 13:26.29 | [sr] | overside=override!! |
| 13:26.44 | advisor | MAILTO=root@localhost |
| 13:27.24 | [sr] | advisor: ops ok wrote with : here but its with = in the script |
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| 13:27.50 | advisor | not in the script, in the crontab file |
| 13:27.57 | advisor | you're not reading. |
| 13:28.22 | teraflops | [sr]: also, is the email @local or you are trying a _real_ email from outside? |
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| 13:28.30 | jelly | antto: what kind of issue? |
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| 13:29.12 | [sr] | teraflops: outside, this is my email server |
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| 13:29.28 | teraflops | ok then |
| 13:29.30 | [sr] | ok just tested it |
| 13:29.35 | [sr] | i can override the MAILTO var |
| 13:29.37 | [sr] | per line |
| 13:29.40 | [sr] | thats nice |
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| 13:30.32 | [sr] | tks ;) |
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| 14:01.10 | ForceRecon | https://askubuntu.com/questions/791950/how-to-get-rid-of-google-chrome-keyring |
| 14:01.10 | blackflow | sharp15: Settings -> Advanced ... -> Offer to save your web passwords (turn that off) |
| 14:01.15 | ForceRecon | maybe something in there might help |
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| 14:01.39 | sharp15 | blackflow: i tried that. still does it. |
| 14:01.44 | sharp15 | ForceRecon: i'll look. thanks. |
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| 14:03.28 | blackflow | sharp15: I wonder why it doesn't ask me any passwords, and I use the regular Chromium's password storage (that does keyring if present) |
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| 14:10.43 | ForceRecon | how are most people updating debian these days? |
| 14:10.57 | ForceRecon | aptitude? apt-get |
| 14:11.00 | syco_ | aptitude |
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| 14:11.51 | sptnx | apt-get |
| 14:12.05 | tarsiero | apt-get |
| 14:12.07 | sonOfRa | apt, without get |
| 14:12.14 | themill | hopes the other 1669 people don't respond |
| 14:12.15 | jhutchins_wk | sharp15: What version of the browser are you on? |
| 14:12.16 | Somelauw | I use apt-get, but I'm a noob. I thought they use the same database, so it doesn't matter. |
| 14:12.21 | sptnx | sonOfRa: even more bloated |
| 14:12.37 | themill | sptnx: [citation needed] |
| 14:12.58 | sonOfRa | Oh no, a tool that does my package management actually does more than one package management related task |
| 14:13.00 | sonOfRa | THE BLOAT |
| 14:13.10 | Somelauw | I don't know apt |
| 14:13.21 | sptnx | how many different languages are apt written in? |
| 14:14.04 | Somelauw | or I don't know what apt without get is |
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| 14:16.24 | jhutchins_wk | I believe that apt-get is the original management tool. aptitude is the next gen, does more thorough dependency resolution, and has a menu interface. apt is the latest tool, is still under development and lacks some planned features. |
| 14:16.52 | coke | apt is new and also does apt-cache |
| 14:16.54 | jhutchins_wk | All can be used without conflict and maintain the same information on the system. |
| 14:17.53 | ForceRecon | will there be a standard in debian 9 |
| 14:18.01 | ForceRecon | or keep doing what your doing |
| 14:18.06 | colo-work | I use http://coloss.us.to/A since like forever |
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| 14:19.16 | sptnx | both apt and apt-get is standard in deb 8 i think |
| 14:19.29 | jelly | ForceRecon: each of those apt frontends has some good things about it and some things it's not very good at |
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| 14:22.20 | makz | Hello, lil question here, a customer have a debian 4 (we are working to update the server) the server have a software raid1, one disk (/dev/sdc in my case) fail and the customer replace it, the probleme is, the /dev/sdc is still marked as failed and i can't remove it from the raid, when i try to "mdadm --manage /dev/md0 -r /dev/sdc1" it throw me a No such file or directory (same with -r detached/failed/missing) |
| 14:22.35 | jelly | apt has a progress bar; apt-get has "download"; aptitude has a competent search/filter syntax; apt-cache has simple search |
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| 14:22.46 | Somelauw | you are right, I have apt installed and didn't even know |
| 14:22.51 | ForceRecon | amazing how linux does things |
| 14:22.52 | ForceRecon | https://pastebin.com/fCnYCW7z |
| 14:22.59 | Somelauw | Why three package managers? why? |
| 14:23.02 | ForceRecon | thanks for advice everyone |
| 14:23.37 | jelly | Somelauw: backward compatibility, mostly |
| 14:23.39 | coke | because apt-get is ancient hand need 3 other commands to cover everything |
| 14:23.48 | altyr | and people have different tastes |
| 14:23.51 | sptnx | apt* is still the best package system for linux but the bzip2 is little old so they should start over and build a package manager with better and faster compression |
| 14:23.56 | coke | because apitude is ncurses and nobody likes ncurses |
| 14:23.57 | jelly | coke: and it's used noninteractively |
| 14:23.59 | nkuttler | apt-get still best apt |
| 14:24.05 | jelly | (apt-get) |
| 14:24.14 | coke | yea all the dockerfiles use apt-get |
| 14:24.23 | themill | sptnx: I'd love it if you stopped talking utter bullshit |
| 14:24.42 | Somelauw | i don't have anything against ncurses |
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| 14:24.55 | jelly | sptnx: dpkg format defaults to xz now, apt has nothing to do with compression really (apart from Packages files which are not that large) |
| 14:25.08 | jelly | deb* format |
| 14:25.15 | coke | i do like apt for my normal human interactions though should use it more |
| 14:25.28 | themill | the mirrors also don't use bz2 |
| 14:25.30 | coke | muscle memory still adds -get mostof the time though |
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| 14:27.25 | sptnx | jelly: really? didnt know they changed to xz |
| 14:27.37 | ForceRecon | what command is used to see inside of a file without opening it up for editting |
| 14:27.56 | jelly | sptnx: you didn't even notice |
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| 14:28.23 | jelly | xz has been default since... squeeze? wheezy? |
| 14:28.29 | jhutchins_wk | ForceRecon: vi -R |
| 14:28.42 | sptnx | ForceRecon: cat <file> |
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| 14:29.04 | ForceRecon | thanks.. I was manning cat.. thanks |
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| 14:29.19 | themill | jelly: depends on which bit; dpkg 1.17.0 made it default |
| 14:29.23 | jelly | ForceRecon: or a pager command like less |
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| 14:29.59 | Walakea | does Debian contain a meme font like Impact? |
| 14:30.10 | themill | (made optional in 1.15.6) |
| 14:31.23 | jelly | Walakea: "meme font" = "often used for captions"? |
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| 14:31.51 | sptnx | arial black |
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| 14:32.44 | jelly | arial and variants do not exist in debian |
| 14:33.06 | Walakea | the replacement for Arial and Times new roman are Liberation fonts |
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| 14:33.24 | teraflops | Walakea: you do not need a debian package for a font, go grab the font and drop it into ~/.local/share/fonts |
| 14:33.29 | Walakea | Liberation Sans Bold could work, but it is black only |
| 14:33.39 | jelly | black only? |
| 14:34.03 | Somelauw | ForceRecon: cat, less, more, most |
| 14:34.18 | Walakea | jelly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_%28typeface%29 |
| 14:35.05 | Walakea | Impact usually has black borders but if white inside |
| 14:35.10 | Walakea | *is |
| 14:35.43 | jelly | Walakea: the outline is usually done as an extra effect and not part of the typeface itself |
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| 14:35.59 | uxfi | hello jelly good morning |
| 14:36.09 | Schrostfutz | I want to bundle up a .deb with dpkg. I can't chown the files included to root since I use an unprivileged user. Is there a way to have the files root-owned in the deb without requiring root access? |
| 14:36.37 | Walakea | perhaps this, but it is contrib: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
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| 14:36.59 | jelly | Schrostfutz: "fakeroot" command |
| 14:37.32 | sptnx | when are stretch gonna go stable? :) |
| 14:37.35 | jelly | Schrostfutz: in fact, using fakeroot with dpkg-buildpackage is how deb binary packages are usually made |
| 14:37.45 | jelly | sptnx: when it's ready |
| 14:37.50 | Schrostfutz | jelly: Thanks I'll look into that |
| 14:37.53 | nkuttler | sptnx: sooner if you help |
| 14:38.16 | jelly | nkuttler: doubtful, the only way I can help is filing more bugs! |
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| 14:39.59 | themill | but that's my job |
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| 14:40.59 | Schrostfutz | Can I also use the tool to just assemble a package (previously I simpy used dpkg --build with a control file), I don't need to compile anything for my package |
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| 14:41.59 | jelly | I decided to "install debian" on my laptop this weekend. The results were... interesting. |
| 14:42.22 | sptnx | if i want a newer package than what jessie repo give me, and there's no version in jessie-backports.. is the only option to temporary add a stretch/sid repo and install the package you want and then remoce the repo and hope you dont get any dependencies-errors in future? |
| 14:42.26 | sptnx | :D |
| 14:42.38 | jelly | sptnx: no, /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 14:43.36 | jelly | "temporary add a stretch/sid repo" is a potentially catastrophic move, don't do that |
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| 14:43.50 | sptnx | i want for example samba newer than 2:4.2.14 on jessie. and it have many dependencies i got automatic of i add a stretch repo and install from that |
| 14:44.15 | sptnx | jelly: yeah i know. but i can't find an better solution for the moment |
| 14:44.19 | jelly | sptnx: then, for example, upgrade the whole system to stretch, that's more sane than mixing. |
| 14:44.22 | sptnx | any tips is useful |
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| 14:45.20 | sptnx | jelly: the machines are in production, i have to spend alot of time to test all other packages and if they're working with current configuration on stretch |
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| 14:45.39 | jelly | sptnx: then do not fucking upgrade samba on them |
| 14:45.55 | sptnx | i just need samba to join them to an AD :X |
| 14:46.41 | sptnx | samba, kerberos and sssd |
| 14:46.48 | jelly | sptnx: is 4.2.14 from jessie completely broken so that you can't net join? |
| 14:46.59 | sptnx | jelly: cant get it work |
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| 14:47.25 | jelly | but you know for sure the one from stretch will work, because you tried it? |
| 14:47.48 | sptnx | i tried install samba, kerberos and sssd from stretch repo and it worked |
| 14:48.16 | jelly | so you already have one broken system there |
| 14:48.29 | sptnx | but then i remove the stretch repo but if i try install a package that depends on samba like smbclient or similar it will not work so well |
| 14:48.43 | jelly | I suggest doing a full migration to stretch on a test environment, instead |
| 14:48.46 | sptnx | no, in testing enviroment |
| 14:49.15 | jelly | ,v samba |
| 14:49.16 | judd | Package: samba on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u12; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u5; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u5; sid: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-1; stretch: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-1 |
| 14:49.18 | sptnx | i need a solid solution before i start joining the produktion servers to the ad |
| 14:49.43 | jelly | which AD do you have |
| 14:49.49 | sptnx | wheezy, sid and stretch is working |
| 14:49.50 | jelly | (OS and schema) |
| 14:50.06 | sptnx | but on jessie i got this one: https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12369 |
| 14:50.26 | MutterMan_ | I got Deb 8 connected to AD. But can't login with AD Admin account. |
| 14:51.04 | jelly | sptnx: if you're 100% that's the bug you're seeing, file a bug report in Debian for the version in jessie and link the upstream issue |
| 14:51.05 | sptnx | jelly: win server 2012 |
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| 14:51.14 | jelly | sptnx: 2012 or 2012R2? |
| 14:51.17 | sptnx | R2 |
| 14:51.23 | jelly | right |
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| 14:51.43 | sh00p | so I can generate locales either with 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' (which brings up an ncurses interface), or i can call local-gen and specify a locale |
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| 14:51.57 | sh00p | how would I "set" the local after I run locale-gen? |
| 14:52.04 | sh00p | reconfiguring does it for me |
| 14:52.05 | MutterMan_ | I'm using 2012 r2 also |
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| 14:52.35 | jelly | sptnx: you may also try to adapt upstream patches for 4.3 to debian's 4.2 source, do a package rebuild from deb-src and see if that fixes the issue |
| 14:52.51 | jelly | sptnx: /msg dpkg package rebuild |
| 14:52.54 | sptnx | jelly: i'll do some more test tomorrow and if i'm sure it's a bug i will fill a bug report |
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| 14:53.54 | sptnx | working like a charm on debian 7, and with stretch/sid (the have same samba-version) repo and with ubuntu.. |
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| 14:53.59 | sptnx | but not with jessie |
| 14:54.00 | jelly | you'll notice "package rebuild" factoid is very very similar to "ssb" |
| 14:54.16 | teraflops | sh00p: e.g localectl set-locale LANG=es_ES.utf8 |
| 14:54.39 | sharp15 | anyone familiar with recent ssh decisions? I figured out what ED25519 is but the hash ssh is showing me says SHA256 and is followed by plus signs (+) and letters that are not in hexadecimal. ssh-keygen/keyscan are not showing me this hash. just ssh when i try to log in. |
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| 14:55.19 | sh00p | teraflops: thanks, i shall try it out |
| 14:57.27 | teraflops | sharp15: recent? |
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| 14:57.57 | sptnx | jelly: thanks for the tips. will try it tomorrow |
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| 14:59.19 | sharp15 | teraflops: i'm not sure. ssh-keygen gives me one hash, ssh-keyscan a second, ssh login attempt a 3rd. |
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| 15:01.04 | sharp15 | is there a way to specify which key will be used? |
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| 15:06.52 | teraflops | sharp15: you have more than one key? |
| 15:08.10 | sharp15 | teraflops: i've looked at every key in /etc/ssh and the hash provided by 'ssh exampleuser@exampleip' is nonsense. |
| 15:08.33 | teraflops | sharp15: you mean http://ix.io/t6M ? |
| 15:09.14 | teraflops | sharp15: at ~/.ssh/config |
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| 15:11.18 | sharp15 | teraflops: no i'm talking about the ssh host identification keys. |
| 15:11.32 | sharp15 | shouldn't be a problem i'm on a lan. |
| 15:11.57 | teraflops | change the host line |
| 15:12.08 | sharp15 | host line? |
| 15:12.08 | teraflops | sharp15: I'm still not sure about what you asked earlier, about the hash |
| 15:13.04 | teraflops | e.g ssh -o FingerprintHash=md5 is a thing |
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| 15:13.31 | teraflops | yep |
| 15:13.34 | teraflops | 10.0.0.8 |
| 15:13.45 | teraflops | 192.168.198.34 |
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| 15:15.21 | teraflops | sharp15: that file says: if I connect to a machine that matches the host line use this user and this key |
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| 15:18.44 | sharp15 | teraflops: i have no idea what you are talking about. |
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| 15:19.01 | teraflops | then ignore it |
| 15:19.08 | sharp15 | ok. |
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| 15:30.24 | jhutchins_wk | sharp15: I wonder if you are confused by the difference between a user's authentication keys and the system identification keys. |
| 15:31.52 | sharp15 | jhutchins_wk: i'm trying to verify system identification keys. there is no user identification key. .ssh/* is empty. |
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| 15:34.52 | sharp15 | .ssh/* is empty in both user acounts on both machines. |
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| 15:37.06 | jelly | sharp15: read about HostKeyAlgorithms in ssh_config manual |
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| 15:38.52 | nickloddin | is "testing" "stretch" ? |
| 15:39.05 | jelly | nickloddin: yes, right now |
| 15:39.16 | nickloddin | jelly: thanks |
| 15:39.40 | jelly | at some (close) point in the future "stretch" will become "stable" and "buster" will then be "testing" |
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| 15:48.40 | sptnx | jelly: sid will not become testing? |
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| 15:48.53 | greycat | Sid is eternally sid. |
| 15:49.24 | sptnx | ah, sid is always unstable |
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| 15:49.27 | greycat | Packages that are *in* side may *migrate* to testing, when the freeze has been lifted. If they meet the criteria. |
| 15:49.33 | jelly | whose side |
| 15:49.44 | greycat | sid. |
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| 15:49.52 | jelly | so inside sid |
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| 16:19.52 | simpledat | What does it mean if I run debian with LVM encrypted and virtualbox debian with LVM encrypted. Does it mean that it uses two layers of encryption? |
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| 16:21.20 | jelly | simpledat: if vbox has its disks on a LV that's encrypted, yes |
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| 16:21.42 | simpledat | jelly: Is it really nessacary? Or should I run virtualbox without encryption? |
| 16:22.00 | jelly | necessary for what? |
| 16:22.36 | petn-randall | simpledat: Depends on your use case, and what data you want to protect from whom. |
| 16:23.28 | jelly | why are you using encryption on the first layer? Figure out what you're trying to protect from, and whether having the storage inside VM use encryption helps that |
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| 16:24.35 | jelly | simpledat: if the same user will deal with debian on physical hw and that VM, and if that VM will never be copied or moved to different media, then you could say it's not necessary |
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| 16:26.03 | simpledat | jelly: I use encryption on my host to prevent unauthorized access to my holiday pictures, for example |
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| 16:26.53 | simpledat | I just want to know if two encryption is necessary if it really matters |
| 16:27.03 | simpledat | but thank you :) |
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| 16:30.06 | simpledat | jelly: Im just trying to learn about privacy and security, thank you for your answer :) |
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| 16:36.24 | jhutchins_wk | simpledat: Encryption really only protects the data when the system is not running, so if people have access to the server when it's shut down, or can be on the sever when the guest is shut down, that is what's protected. |
| 16:36.42 | jhutchins_wk | simpledat: Once the systems are up and running, disk encryption no longer protects the data. |
| 16:37.06 | jhutchins_wk | simpledat: (Assuming the filesystems are decrypted and mounted.) |
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| 16:39.00 | jhutchins_wk | SmearedBeard-AFK: Could you please turn that off? |
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| 16:40.04 | ebol4 | dear god, why is libpam-auth-radius only 1.3.16 in sid |
| 16:40.06 | SmearedBeard | hmm.. not sure why my client would keep doing that if its on screensaver |
| 16:40.12 | ebol4 | 1.3.17 is nearly 5 years old |
| 16:40.15 | SmearedBeard | ill just disconnect |
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| 16:41.28 | jhutchins_wk | ebol4: Have there been a lot of changes in the last 5 years that haven't been patched to the older version? |
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| 16:42.01 | ebol4 | jhutchins_wk: it just adds the 'localifdown' option, which is what I need |
| 16:42.12 | nkuttler | ,v libpam-auth-radius |
| 16:42.13 | judd | No package named 'libpam-auth-radius' was found in amd64. |
| 16:42.23 | ebol4 | woop |
| 16:42.23 | nkuttler | ebol4: sure you're looking at the right package? |
| 16:42.24 | ebol4 | radius-auth |
| 16:42.29 | ebol4 | ,v libpam-radius-auth |
| 16:42.30 | judd | Package: libpam-radius-auth on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.16-4.4; jessie: 1.3.16-4.4; stretch: 1.3.16-5; sid: 1.3.16-5 |
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| 16:43.48 | sixie | debian 8 cinnamon/MATE on asus gl552 --- is it possible to make my debian terminal look like the parrotsec terminal? |
| 16:43.53 | simpledat | jhutchins_wk: thank you |
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| 16:44.36 | ebol4 | sixie: like, just the text colors? |
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| 16:44.57 | yann-kaelig | Hi |
| 16:45.22 | ebol4 | nyello |
| 16:45.27 | sixie | but also the directory tree look |
| 16:45.31 | sixie | ebol4 |
| 16:46.28 | ebol4 | sixie: could pastebin one maybe, I don't know what that looks like |
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| 16:48.17 | yann-kaelig | I can access with Caja file manager, a remote folder using samba server on gnu-linux OS, only if I use the option "connect to server -> windows share " and mount them. But in other way in the network section "browse network " I see nothing, is it normal, I have to install something else ? |
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| 16:49.43 | Nebukadneza | hi there |
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| 16:50.38 | Nebukadneza | has anyone ever seen something like Gtk:ERROR:/build/gtk+3.0-w7z6JD/gtk+3.0-3.22.12/./gtk/gtkiconhelper.c:493:ensure_surface_for_gicon: assertion failed: (destination) â whan using libgtk-3-0=3.22.12-1 or 3.22.11-1 (from testing or unstable) |
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| 16:54.35 | jhutchins_wk | Found a nice ssh guide: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/ssh-essentials-working-with-ssh-servers-clients-and-keys |
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| 17:00.19 | torify | hello |
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| 17:01.05 | torify | I have an empty Netbeans icon under applications which I would like to remove, how can I do this? |
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| 17:06.22 | tharkun | Aloha, I have this on and off problem. A printer just goes to paused from idle when a job is sent to it. How can I debug this isue? |
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| 17:12.35 | jhutchins_wk | torify: Is this in the Gnome applications menu? |
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| 17:12.49 | torify | yes it is jhutchins_wk |
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| 17:14.01 | AlexPortable | How do I keep my home folder private but share a subfolder of it with another user? |
| 17:14.01 | jhutchins_wk | !netbeans |
| 17:14.02 | dpkg | NetBeans is an open source, cross-platform Integrated Development Environment (IDE) written in <Java>. Not part of the Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" release due to bug #506294. http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansUserFAQ http://www.netbeans.org/ #netbeans on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:15.05 | jhutchins_wk | torify: I'm not familiar with Gnome's menu system. These days things are usually added by dropping a .desktop file somewhere (I think). |
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| 17:15.34 | _sashimi | Hi all. My bluetooth keyboard doesn't work unless I connect it, disconnect it, and reconnect it again. UDEV shows that it's connected the first time but it's not added as a keyboard, the second time however seems to be recognized as a keyboard. Here are the events: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/dec284af/ . I'm running Stretch |
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| 17:15.40 | torify | jhutchins_wk: yes. It took me a while but I found it, thanks! |
| 17:16.22 | jhutchins_wk | torify: What was the location? |
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| 17:16.38 | torify | /home/username/.local |
| 17:16.47 | _sashimi | event 1 is the first time the keyboard connects, events 2, 3 and 4 is me turning off the bluetooth dongle, events 5 and onwards are the second reconnect |
| 17:17.47 | _sashimi | dmesg shows nothing useful, only that it detected a keyboard the second time it connected |
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| 17:18.33 | _sashimi | happy to send more logs, I'm just trying to figure out what "layer" is causing the issue |
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| 17:22.28 | jhutchins_wk | _sashimi: You may want to check in #debian-next on oftc.net - more stretch users there. |
| 17:22.46 | _sashimi | jhutchins_wk: thank you I'll do that |
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| 17:42.40 | tharkun | any cups guru in the house? |
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| 17:43.36 | greycat | !anyone |
| 17:43.36 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 17:44.13 | AlexPortable | tharkun: yes there is any cups guru in the house. Multiple. do you want all 100 to reply to you? |
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| 17:45.28 | tharkun | AlexPortable: one is enough |
| 17:45.54 | tharkun | greycat: long time around allready did. |
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| 17:47.06 | tharkun | The printer jumps from idel to paused whenever a print job is sent. I don't grock cups enough to debug the isue. Hence me beeing here and asking |
| 17:47.39 | AlexPortable | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:50.10 | bassem | Hi everyone! |
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| 17:53.55 | bassem | I don't want to trouble anyone, but I could use some help with tap devices. |
| 17:54.09 | bassem | I just can't get a tap device created. |
| 17:54.40 | tharkun | !tell bassem about kvm |
| 17:54.42 | bassem | lsmod shows the tun module loaded, tunctl -t tap0 does not complain, yet there's no /dev/tap0 (or any other) |
| 17:56.12 | tharkun | the kvm link on that factoid has a nice set of instructions on how to set up a tap device and alos a tun device. And it shows the cases where you can/should use one or the other. The debugging information is also quite good. |
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| 17:57.08 | bassem | I'm reading through the links right now. |
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| 18:04.36 | bassem | OK, I followed your links to https://wiki.debian.org/QEMU#Host_and_guests_on_same_network |
| 18:04.50 | bassem | my /etc/network/interfaces looks the same. |
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| 18:04.55 | bassem | ifconfig shows tap0 |
| 18:05.03 | bassem | still no /dev/tap0 though. |
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| 18:09.17 | teraflops | bassem: why do you need a /dev/tap0? |
| 18:09.40 | bassem | I want to connect SheepShaver (Mac emulator) to it. |
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| 18:10.06 | bassem | my plan is to bridge it to eth0 to let the emulated mac talk on my network |
| 18:10.58 | teraflops | I have a debian machine doing openvpn in bridge mode, I have a tap0 network interface and it works without a /dev/tap0 |
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| 18:11.27 | teraflops | and I have it bridged to a br device⦠|
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| 18:11.40 | bassem | That might be, but SheepShever complains about /dev/tap0 being non-existent. |
| 18:11.48 | teraflops | ah ಠ_ಠ|
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| 18:12.35 | bassem | I remember something about having to create the devices using mknod... Could it be that I'm missing something there? |
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| 18:13.48 | sixie | can...just once...someone...call me 1337 |
| 18:14.08 | teraflops | bassem: there is a /dev/net/tun though |
| 18:14.29 | shadoxx | sixie: 2 |337 4 u |
| 18:14.43 | bassem | There is, unfortunately SheepShaver only cares about /dev/tap0. :( |
| 18:14.55 | teraflops | bassem: go blame then |
| 18:15.02 | teraflops | them* |
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| 18:15.42 | sixie | shadoxx i just...what if i never make it you know |
| 18:16.11 | shadoxx | sixie: keep working hard are your goals and you can achieve anything you desire. :] |
| 18:16.17 | shadoxx | s/are/on |
| 18:16.25 | bassem | yeah... I thought about that. But SheepShaver seems pretty dead to me. The last time someone changed the source is about 5 years ago... |
| 18:16.44 | shadoxx | bassem: old source doesn't mean bad source |
| 18:16.55 | bassem | that's not what i intended to say. |
| 18:17.33 | bassem | SheepShaver itself is working pretty great - it's just that judging from the last time the source was edited, I don't think there's an active development community. |
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| 18:28.01 | Violinist | can some explain dumbinit |
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| 18:28.34 | Violinist | coz i see no purpose in it vs factory init.d scripts |
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| 18:30.35 | ebol4 | is there a simple way to add a .deb file to an apt-mirror |
| 18:30.41 | ebol4 | like just an individual .deb file |
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| 18:33.58 | ebol4 | or is there a better way to distribute a single .deb file to many servers |
| 18:34.00 | kallenp | Hi all. Does anyone have any knowledge of OpenStack SWIFT storage ? |
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| 18:35.14 | greycat | If it's a one-shot deal you can just scp the file over and run dpkg -i on it (via ssh). |
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| 18:35.22 | sixie | shadoxx hahaha whats up man |
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| 18:35.36 | ebol4 | greycat: it is a one-shot deal, but I also need to install it on any new servers I deploy |
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| 18:35.42 | ebol4 | i could just add it to an ansible playbook or something |
| 18:35.43 | greycat | If it's something you plan to do semi-often, I'd set up an NFS arrangement, whereby the target systems will NFS mount the directory with the .deb in it, and then ssh in an run dpkg -i. |
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| 18:36.28 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: You can pass dpkg a URL for a package location, can't you? |
| 18:36.44 | greycat | I've never seen it. Doesn't mean it's impossible. |
| 18:36.47 | Dremo | sup my nigga |
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| 18:37.30 | jhutchins_wk | I've done it with RPM, but I haven't really needed to go outside the official repos on Debian. |
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| 18:38.53 | greycat | The full-blown version would be to set up your own local package repository, of course. |
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| 18:40.11 | ebol4 | jhutchins_wk: looks like you can just install it from a URL. in ansible too, even |
| 18:40.18 | ebol4 | thanks y'all |
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| 18:43.42 | beakus | Hi, I tried to install ati proprietary drivers but it does not seem to work. Perhaps my machine is too old. https://pastebin.com/tAmQbXHp |
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| 18:44.45 | Tipping_Fedora | hi, im having issues with getting my open VPN certificate to work with my client |
| 18:44.47 | jhutchins_wk | beakus: Proprietary drivers for what, your 3D printer? |
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| 18:45.00 | Tipping_Fedora | I cant find where it would accept it |
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| 18:45.15 | alesan | so I have one question: I am making a "rootFS" for a device imagine similar to a Raspbery PI |
| 18:45.29 | beakus | jhutchins, yes, an ATI driver for my printer. |
| 18:45.29 | jhutchins_wk | Tipping_Fedora: Client and Server on what platforms? |
| 18:45.34 | alesan | I would like to have a "masterFS" on my computer and create a SD card from that, possibly in multiple copies etc |
| 18:45.55 | alesan | problem is: if I want to add one package to this debian, is there a way? |
| 18:46.03 | Tipping_Fedora | jhutchins_wk, client on debian 8, server on rasbian(fully functional and not my issue) |
| 18:46.13 | alesan | imagine an ARM rootfs with a debian installed, but in a directory of my amd64 machine |
| 18:46.19 | greycat | beakus: we'll generally try as hard as we possibly can to get your graphics chipset working *without* installing fglrx. |
| 18:46.25 | beakus | jhutchins_wk, everyone knows ati makes the best printer drivers |
| 18:46.32 | jhutchins_wk | beakus: It would help if you told us what you actually tried to do, how you tried to do it (maybe what instructions you followed), what you expected to happen, and what actually happened instead. |
| 18:46.37 | greycat | beakus: the first question, then, is which video chipset it is. lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 18:46.37 | alesan | any way to updte the debian inside such directory? |
| 18:46.44 | Tipping_Fedora | jhutchins_wk, Im trying to find where to put my ovpn file |
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| 18:47.27 | jhutchins_wk | Tipping_Fedora: Are you using network manager in gnome to manage the connection? |
| 18:47.35 | Tipping_Fedora | jhutchins_wk, yes I am |
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| 18:47.58 | beakus | greycat, https://pastebin.com/cwpg9gZi |
| 18:48.00 | Tipping_Fedora | jhutchins_wk, and I have installed network-manager-openvpn-gnome |
| 18:48.08 | jhutchins_wk | !openvpn |
| 18:48.09 | dpkg | OpenVPN is a <VPN> daemon, which can securely tunnel IP networks over one UDP or TCP port. Packaged for Debian, provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to <interfaces>. Add "script-security 2" in configuration files for use of external commands. Debian 8 "Jessie" users: see https://bugs.debian.org/785200 (fixed at openvpn 2.3.4-5+deb8u1, ask me about <spu>). https://openvpn.net/ #openvpn on irc.freenode.net. See also <easy-rsa>. |
| 18:48.22 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 18:48.51 | greycat | so we have: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS690M [Radeon Xpress 1200/1250/1270] [1002:791f] |
| 18:49.11 | greycat | ,pciid 1002:791f |
| 18:49.12 | judd | [1002:791f] is 'RS690M [Radeon Xpress 1200/1250/1270]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:791f and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 18:50.13 | greycat | The next question is whether you got it working at all with the radeon driver. Perhaps you need to install some non-free firmware. |
| 18:50.20 | Tipping_Fedora | jhutchins_wk, any ideas? |
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| 18:51.04 | beakus | greycat, It did not work with ati propritary drivers installe |
| 18:51.20 | jhutchins_wk | Tipping_Fedora: No, I haven't used the client in Gnome at all, and last time I used it I had some trouble with the NM UI. |
| 18:51.28 | Tipping_Fedora | ok |
| 18:51.28 | jhutchins_wk | Tipping_Fedora: Looking for a step-by-step for you. |
| 18:51.29 | beakus | greycat, So you suggest I keep installing the amd ati firmware |
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| 18:52.02 | greycat | As I said, fglrx is the absolute last resort, for us. |
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| 18:52.14 | beakus | greycat, I have a bunch of backports firmware commands |
| 18:52.26 | greycat | Check your Xorg.0.log for (EE) lines, check "dmesg | grep -i firmware" for missing firmware. |
| 18:52.40 | Tipping_Fedora | jhutchins_wk, thank you |
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| 18:53.17 | jhutchins_wk | Tipping_Fedora: https://wiki.debian.org/OpenVPN |
| 18:54.01 | Tipping_Fedora | jhutchins_wk, I have a ovpn file |
| 18:54.07 | Tipping_Fedora | how would I use it? |
| 18:54.26 | beakus | greycat, https://pastebin.com/LGGFjk2a |
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| 18:55.09 | greycat | That's... surprisingly barren. |
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| 18:56.32 | alesan | any indication on how for example manufacturers of raspbian maintain their distribution... I would like to just use a debian but be able to generate a FS on request |
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| 18:58.05 | jhutchins_wk | Tipping_Fedora: Ok, there are so many versions out there... This suggests that it's pretty simple: https://openvpn.net/index.php/access-server/docs/admin-guides/182-how-to-connect-to-access-server-with-linux-clients.html just openvpn --config client.ovpn |
| 18:58.09 | maret | hi everyone I've created new user and add him to sudo group using usermod -aG sudo username. I did check users group by running usermod -aG sudo username but when I try sudo l i uget error username is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
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| 18:58.23 | beakus | greycat, how about now? https://pastebin.com/uxubKQZF |
| 18:58.29 | jhutchins_wk | Tipping_Fedora: I think once you've configured it you can open it from the NM applet. |
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| 18:58.36 | Tipping_Fedora | jhutchins_wk, OK i WILL TRY |
| 18:58.39 | greycat | maret: did you log out and back in to refresb your shell's list of groups? |
| 18:58.42 | Tipping_Fedora | srry caps |
| 18:59.13 | jhutchins_wk | Tipping_Fedora: Using ovpn w/ NM: https://askubuntu.com/questions/187511/how-can-i-use-a-ovpn-file-with-network-manager |
| 18:59.23 | jhutchins_wk | (Ubuntu, but should work the same.) |
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| 18:59.48 | greycat | beakus: barren is OK in this context. Your machine doesn't need any firmware? Unless you never loaded the radeon driver at all, because you have already broken things by trying to force it to use fglrx instead of radeon. |
| 18:59.53 | maret | greycat: i did run logout and then su - username same thing |
| 19:00.05 | greycat | maret: use "id" or "groups" with no arguments to see your current groups. |
| 19:00.16 | greycat | This is VERY different from "id username". |
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| 19:00.37 | beakus | greycat, when I use fglrx, i just get a blinking cursor in the top left corner of the screen |
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| 19:00.39 | jhutchins_wk | Tipping_Fedora: Here's another one: |
| 19:00.42 | maret | i run id and result uid=1000(username) gid=1002(username) groups=1002(username),27(sudo) |
| 19:00.59 | beakus | Maybe I should proceed with all them firmware commands i got stored |
| 19:01.11 | beakus | and that'll fix em |
| 19:01.18 | jhutchins_wk | Tipping_Fedora: I've been frustrated in the past by documentation that got me 9/10 of the way, but had something wrong, and was completely different from other docs that got me 9/10 in a different direction. |
| 19:01.25 | greycat | maret: sounds promising. |
| 19:01.44 | Tipping_Fedora | jhutchins_wk, I know the feeling |
| 19:01.45 | greycat | beakus: You have completely ignored the Xorg.0.log half of my suggestion so far. |
| 19:01.45 | beakus | I was just thinking that the machine is old and maybe the firmware don't wanna 'take' |
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| 19:02.43 | beakus | greycat, okay, how do I get the log? |
| 19:02.59 | greycat | Which version of Debian? Are you using startx, or a display manager? |
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| 19:03.22 | beakus | i'm using lxde |
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| 19:03.27 | beakus | greycat, lxde |
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| 19:03.54 | beakus | greycat, debian 8 |
| 19:03.55 | greycat | If you login via a DM, then it's probably /var/log/Xorg.0.log in any version of Debian. |
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| 19:04.06 | moony | Recently had to force software rendering because boot froze at '[fp] Switching from amdgpudrmfp to EFI VGA', any way to make the driver work, or any alternative drivers? (Kernal version 4.9, debian 8) |
| 19:04.21 | moony | (I was using the properitary drivers) |
| 19:05.54 | Tipping_Fedora | hmm |
| 19:06.10 | Tipping_Fedora | jhutchins_wk, thanks for your help, I have a temp solution and thats all I needed |
| 19:06.18 | jhutchins_wk | xlnt |
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| 19:06.32 | moony | Oh, probably should mention APU: AMD A12 w/ Integrated Radeon R7 graphics |
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| 19:08.10 | beakus | greycat, What info do you need from the log? |
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| 19:08.55 | greycat | The primary thing is to see *which driver* it is using. If it's not using radeon, then that would be why it's not loading the radeon kernel module or asking for any firmware. |
| 19:09.16 | greycat | And then to figure out what you did that's stopping it from using the radeon driver. If that turns out to be the case. |
| 19:10.05 | moony | mk. I'll do so when i get home. Wont be long |
| 19:11.56 | beakus | greycat, There's a lot of stuff spooled in here |
| 19:12.47 | beakus | greycat, Other puters where I have AMD cp/gpu's take well enough, this one just blanks out |
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| 19:40.59 | nkuttler | ,v usbmount |
| 19:41.00 | judd | Package: usbmount on amd64 -- jessie: 0.0.22; sid: 0.0.22; wheezy: 0.0.22 |
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| 19:47.00 | neilthereildeil | hi. how can i verify that my fglrx driver is the most updated? |
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| 19:47.51 | greycat | Sheesh, two fglrx users in one afternoon. |
| 19:48.06 | mutante | ?fglrx |
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| 19:48.14 | neilthereildeil | the bigger problem is that when i use my ati card with Xen, VT1-6 are black screens |
| 19:48.45 | neilthereildeil | i see X, but nothing on those virtual terminals |
| 19:48.56 | neilthereildeil | which i think is the cause of VGA passthrough not working |
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| 19:54.47 | TomG_ | neilthereildeil, it sounds like it :) i've never used Xen though |
| 19:54.55 | TomG_ | or fglrx |
| 19:55.42 | neilthereildeil | TomG_: how can i ensure the driver is completely updated? |
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| 19:56.17 | armin | anyone a clue how to circumvent having to run xmodmap again when pluggin in a usb keyboard? |
| 19:56.26 | greycat | neilthereildeil: ask #ati? |
| 19:56.38 | TomG_ | there is a wiki.debian.org entry for fglrx i think, but can't you go to the original web site and check its version number? |
| 19:57.43 | greycat | This is going to end VERY badly. |
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| 19:58.10 | neilthereildeil | greycat: haha you dont seem to like fglrx |
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| 20:01.28 | neilthereildeil | ohh wow |
| 20:01.29 | neilthereildeil | kernel: [ 5.933226] <6>[fglrx] module loaded - fglrx 15.20.3 [Sep 8 2015] with 1 minors |
| 20:01.39 | neilthereildeil | damn thats old |
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| 20:04.33 | stripe | hi all, sound issues jessie 64 bit, gmome desktop, after installing steam, no audio from youtube/firefox or vlc, test speakers works in audio wizard and have sound in steam games, any ideas? cheers |
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| 20:07.46 | maret | Hi i've tried to install git on debian 7 unsuccesfully so i trued it again and how after running sudo curl -sL https://deb.nodesource.com/setup_6.x | bash - i get an error not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied) here is whole output https://www.pastiebin.com/5910d005eb041 |
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| 20:08.49 | greycat | Because running random crap from a web page directly through a shell is SO safe and wise. Nothing could possibly go wrong. |
| 20:08.50 | missmbob | you cant pipe sudo that way. bash is being run as user, not root |
| 20:09.27 | greycat | More to the point, he has the sudo in the wrong place. Or maybe the right place, since it aborted with an error instead of breaking whatever it would have broken if he had used sudo bash. |
| 20:09.35 | moony | greycat, True its not, but node is a trusted source in my opinion. |
| 20:09.38 | missmbob | heh |
| 20:10.15 | moony | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:11.08 | moony | maret, use the command provided on the page |
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| 20:11.46 | missmbob | you mean the page didnt tell him to pipe like that? heh |
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| 20:12.01 | moony | missmbob, PRetty sure it didnt :P |
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| 20:12.13 | hdss | guy, question: i have a dell precision m4800 laptop. lspci says it has ATI Radeon 8800M GPU, but Windows and dell website says its AMD FirePro M5100 |
| 20:12.26 | hdss | which one is lying and what do i actually have? |
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| 20:12.53 | greycat | It probably just assumed he would run the entire command as root. |
| 20:13.09 | moony | missmbob, checked, it doesnt, it tells you to use 'sudo -E bash -' for bash, and general curl otherwise |
| 20:14.39 | moony | maret, the correct command is curl -sL https://deb.nodesource.com/setup_6.x | sudo -E bash - |
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| 20:18.27 | jhutchins_wk | hdss: You have a graphics "card" and a graphics chipset. lspci tells you the chipset. "card" is branding/marketing. |
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| 20:19.07 | jhutchins_wk | hdss: So the answer could be "both", but trust lspci, that's the answer that will get you results. |
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| 20:20.35 | hdss | jhutchins_wk: im confused. a "card" is a physical board in my laptop. im sure i have that... |
| 20:20.46 | hdss | im not following the difference between the two |
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| 20:22.09 | greycat | lspci -nn is what I would trust |
| 20:22.28 | greycat | has no idea why -nn is not the default |
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| 20:24.36 | hdss | whats the difference between achipset and card? |
| 20:24.40 | hdss | whats the difference between a_chipset and card? |
| 20:25.15 | jhutchins_wk | hdss: Two possibilities: Manufactureres change chipsets all the time, often without updating specs. Radeon 8800M GPU is a consistent terminology for the Chipset. FirePro M5100 is not, it sounds like branding to me. |
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| 20:25.56 | hdss | ok thanks |
| 20:25.59 | greycat | It's especially common with NICs. Manufacturers will put out two NICs with the same model number but totally different chipsets. |
| 20:26.05 | Canucktux | hdss: the chipset is the bare bones stuff you need in theory to make it work |
| 20:26.39 | teraflops | I've seen the same even with smartphones |
| 20:26.41 | hdss | so ur saying the chipset can be repackaged onto multiple differently-branded cards? |
| 20:27.22 | greycat | I was saying the reverse, but yes, yours is also possible. |
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| 20:29.11 | jhutchins_wk | hdss: Yes, sometimes by different manufacturers, and the same is true in reverse, the same brand/model card can have different chipsets. It's what Linux recognises as the chipset that determines which drivers you need. |
| 20:29.22 | hdss | ok |
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| 20:31.04 | AlexPortable | How do I keep my home folder private but share a subfolder of it with another user? |
| 20:31.39 | greycat | If you've got root access, my preferred solution would be to put your "shared directory" somewhere global like /usr/local/share. |
| 20:31.43 | AlexPortable | so /home/AlexPortable/* only me can access. /home/AlexPortable/shared_folder/ only user 'hds' can access |
| 20:31.51 | mutante | my lazy ass way would be to copy it to /tmp |
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| 20:32.07 | greycat | /tmp would work in pinch, but do note that /tmp may be cleared on reboot |
| 20:32.10 | AlexPortable | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.14 | AlexPortable | Not only for user 'hds' |
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| 20:32.23 | AlexPortable | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.30 | greycat | Your subdirectory of /tmp can be as restricted as you like. |
| 20:32.55 | AlexPortable | not possible to keep it in the home folder? |
| 20:32.58 | beakus | my ati radeon card is, apparently, of the 4xxx family. Perhaps, it needs to be using the open driver as the ati radeon will not work |
| 20:33.05 | greycat | Again, if you have root, many things are possible. |
| 20:33.09 | AlexPortable | I have root yes |
| 20:33.14 | AlexPortable | but other users who want to do the same not |
| 20:33.15 | greycat | You could make /home/shared/Alex/porn |
| 20:33.47 | AlexPortable | and how do I set access to only me and user hds? |
| 20:33.50 | AlexPortable | on that shared folder |
| 20:33.52 | jolt | AlexPortable: you can make your home folder other-executable (but not r/w), then have r-x in the folder you want to share |
| 20:34.03 | greycat | chgrp hds /home/shared/Alex/porn; chmod 750 /home/shared/Alex/porn |
| 20:34.15 | greycat | oh wait, I thought hds was a group name |
| 20:34.19 | AlexPortable | hds is an user |
| 20:34.23 | greycat | Make a group. |
| 20:34.24 | AlexPortable | or lets take foo for example |
| 20:34.33 | greycat | Make a group, put hds and foo and alex in it. |
| 20:34.53 | greycat | Make the new directory 750 you:thatgroup |
| 20:35.08 | greycat | Or 770 if you want your friends to be able to write instead of just read. |
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| 20:37.26 | hdss | what do you guys think is a higher quality driver for ATI cards? the proprietary or open source driver? |
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| 20:37.54 | beakus | hdss, proprietary, AMD knows what is in it |
| 20:38.07 | beakus | and they do not share |
| 20:38.19 | beakus | otherwise open would be best |
| 20:38.37 | greycat | I'm a bit skeptical/curious about the word "quality" here. |
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| 20:38.56 | greycat | Do you mean GIVES ME BIG NUMBERZ LOL, or do you mean has the fewest bugs, or ...? |
| 20:39.02 | jhutchins_wk | hdss: The open source driver is easier to maintain via normal updates and doesn't die if you get a new kernel; the proprietary driver probably offers more features and control and possibly higher performance. |
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| 20:39.28 | missmbob | they do share, actually. a lot. who do you think does most of the radeon driver work? |
| 20:39.44 | jhutchins_wk | hdss: In some cases for very new chipsets the OS driver doesn't work (except in VESA mode). |
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| 20:40.35 | hdss | jhutchins_wk: any recommendations in figuring out why i dont see VT1-6 when booted Xen? |
| 20:41.08 | jhutchins_wk | hdss: No, I've seen that, but it went away on reboot. |
| 20:41.43 | hdss | jhutchins_wk: you rebooted the machine and the problem never came back? |
| 20:41.51 | jhutchins_wk | hdss: Right. |
| 20:42.25 | jhutchins_wk | hdss: I've also seen other people mention it here, but never a resolution. |
| 20:42.30 | hdss | damn |
| 20:42.43 | jhutchins_wk | hdss: Also, what is "booted Xen"? |
| 20:42.44 | AlexPortable | greycat: -R for the directory or only the main folder itself? |
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| 20:43.20 | hdss | jhutchins_wk: ie i am running Xen with a Linux Dom0. after everything is booted, i see X, but when i hit ctrl+alt+F1, i see a black screen |
| 20:43.28 | greycat | AlexPortable: whatever you want it to be. |
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| 20:44.57 | jhutchins_wk | !xen |
| 20:44.57 | dpkg | Xen is an open source virtual machine monitor / hypervisor, allowing several guest operating systems to execute concurrently on the same system. Provides paravirtualization (requiring guest OSs to be modified/ported) and hardware-assisted virtualization (for running guests unmodified). For detailed help, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen . #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net. See also <virtualization>. |
| 20:45.24 | jhutchins_wk | hdss: Not familiar with it, it could be trapping key sequences. If you're running XEN, you need XEN video drivers, not Radeon. |
| 20:45.28 | AlexPortable | greycat: for example user 'foo' is part of the marketing department and wants to give other users in the marketing department (for example user 'bar') access to his folder: /home/foo/2017/marketing/ |
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| 20:45.39 | hdss | jhutchins_wk: whattt???? |
| 20:45.46 | hdss | xen video drivers?? |
| 20:45.49 | hdss | whats that?? |
| 20:45.55 | sixie | i have a brainmaster model 2E. i am running debian or parrotsec or mint or kali. i cannot find software (bioera etc for windows)...it says there are linux versions but i can find them NOWHERE |
| 20:45.59 | jhutchins_wk | hdss: Yes, your "hardware" is all emulated by xen. |
| 20:46.11 | hdss | ohh |
| 20:46.16 | sixie | *ANYWHERE |
| 20:46.19 | hdss | no, im talking about the driver for the GOU |
| 20:46.36 | greycat | AlexPortable: if user 'foo' is a marketer, 'foo' is too stupid for this, and you will do it for him/her. |
| 20:46.52 | jolt | greycat: :D |
| 20:46.55 | AlexPortable | greycat: huh |
| 20:47.05 | jhutchins_wk | sixie: Look for native linux software that does the same thing. |
| 20:47.18 | greycat | Set up a symlink from somewhere in ~foo/ and they won't even know. |
| 20:47.45 | jhutchins_wk | sixie: Don't expect to use the same software as you would with windows. |
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| 20:48.58 | sixie | jhutchins_wk i just need one that registers the brain waves visually |
| 20:51.19 | AlexPortable | greycat: symlinks better than access to home folders? |
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| 20:52.54 | greycat | AlexPortable: You started out with MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE DEMANDS, so I came up with a solution that you might be able to live with. Now all of a sudden it's "I want morons to be able to do this" |
| 20:53.25 | AlexPortable | i didnt say the latter |
| 20:53.26 | greycat | AlexPortable: If you REMOVE the initial constraint that $HOME has to be closed off, then it's super fucking simple. |
| 20:53.43 | AlexPortable | well if i remove that constraint then everyone can access everyones files |
| 20:53.54 | greycat | YES! |
| 20:53.57 | greycat | YES, SO WHAT?! |
| 20:54.03 | greycat | Why is that a concern? |
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| 20:54.42 | AlexPortable | You don't mind sharing all your files with the whole company? |
| 20:54.54 | greycat | imadev:~$ ls -ld ~ |
| 20:54.55 | greycat | drwxr-xr-x 131 wooledg pgmr 33792 May 8 16:04 /net/home/wooledg |
| 20:55.07 | greycat | It's NORMAL for home directories to be readable by others, yes. |
| 20:55.31 | AlexPortable | how so? |
| 20:55.45 | greycat | Because Unix is rooted in a culture of sharing and openness. |
| 20:55.47 | AlexPortable | Where would you store secret files or browsing history? |
| 20:56.05 | greycat | Ideally, not on a work machine. |
| 20:56.16 | AlexPortable | Yeah.. |
| 20:56.38 | greycat | You can make your ~/.mozilla (or whatever) secret to keep people out of there. |
| 20:57.02 | greycat | But generally speaking, it's NORMAL for your ~/.bash_profile and so on to be world readable, so people can learn from each other. |
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| 20:57.59 | jolt | AlexPortable: If you have a department or a group of people that needs to share files, then you would typically have a unix group with them, and then share a folder somewhere, for only them. Like /srv/shared/<group> |
| 20:58.32 | greycat | /usr/local/share and /tmp were also previously suggested. |
| 20:58.39 | greycat | As you can see, there is no standard location for such things. |
| 20:58.47 | jolt | AlexPortable: and then you can make that dir have permission like 1770, so that only the user in that group, and that group itself can read/write there |
| 20:59.30 | jolt | AlexPortable: where doesn't really matter. What matters is that you do some housekeeping and group them together beforehand. |
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| 21:00.38 | greycat | And then set up symlinks in ~boss and ~marketguy so they can get there easily, because they won't remember where it is. |
| 21:00.41 | jolt | AlexPortable: There is also ACL support in linux, so you can do insane permission mappings etc etc, but that is really outside of the scope of description over IRC. So I suggest; search for groups/permission in linux. And if that doesn't cut it, search for unix ACL's as well. |
| 21:01.33 | AlexPortable | Well to make it more simple then, can I allow boss to get read/write access to home folders of 5 specific users? |
| 21:02.05 | jolt | AlexPortable: Yes, by placing those five users in a group, and make that folder owned by that group. |
| 21:02.23 | AlexPortable | 'that folder'? |
| 21:02.30 | greycat | Directory. |
| 21:02.38 | jolt | AlexPortable: The directories of those users. |
| 21:02.50 | AlexPortable | so chown user1:specialgroup /home/user1/, chown user2:specialgroup /home/user2/ |
| 21:03.02 | greycat | AlexPortable: GOD NO |
| 21:03.05 | greycat | NOO NO NO NO NO NO NO |
| 21:03.08 | jolt | AlexPortable: But that is not flexible nor very scaling, so it would be better to do it outside of their home folders. |
| 21:03.20 | greycat | The NEW DIRECTORIES that you set up! |
| 21:03.57 | AlexPortable | basically I want to prevent everyone from looking into each other's home directory, only the boss is allowed to look into the home directory of 5 specific users, but i dont trust boss enough to give him root permissions |
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| 21:04.10 | greycat | mkdir -p /opt/share/porn /opt/share/spreadsheets; chgrp porn /opt/share/porn; chgrp 1770 /opt/share/porn; etc. |
| 21:04.11 | AlexPortable | Why not on the home folder greycat ? |
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| 21:04.36 | greycat | Because giving BOB the ability to clobber SUE's .bashrc and email and so on would be terrible. |
| 21:04.46 | AlexPortable | Well that's not what I want |
| 21:04.53 | nickgaw | Hi, What is a good packet sniffer that works on the console level and that I can use to monitor all trafic on my wifi network or filter by computer to only capture what that computer sends and receives? |
| 21:04.58 | AlexPortable | I want boss to have access to those 5 folders, but not anyone else |
| 21:05.09 | greycat | WHAT 5 directories? |
| 21:05.17 | jolt | nickgaw: you can do that with tcpdump or tshark (the wireshark equivalent for cli) |
| 21:05.55 | jolt | nickgaw: You have to read up on filters though, like "tcpdump -ni <ethX> host 1.2.3.4 " |
| 21:06.03 | AlexPortable | greycat: /home/user1/ /home/user2/ /home/user3/ |
| 21:06.13 | greycat | GGGAAAAHHHHHHHH |
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| 21:06.18 | greycat | WHAT is wrong with you |
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| 21:06.29 | AlexPortable | (to make it clear; I have 3 cases I want to work out) |
| 21:06.31 | AlexPortable | thsi is the second one |
| 21:07.09 | greycat | Learn how unix groups work. Period. I am done. |
| 21:07.10 | jolt | AlexPortable: I think that what you want to achive is really pretty complex since you don't want the users to read each others file. So either live with that the shared folder is not in their homedir, or read up on ACL's. |
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| 21:07.56 | jolt | I'm off to bed, so good luck in your search endevours |
| 21:08.00 | AlexPortable | Thanks |
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| 21:17.53 | ebol4 | one user on this box is getting a very short PATH set when logging in, while the other users get the full path. I've check /etc/profile and ~/.profile (doesn't exist) and can't figure out why the PATH is getting messed up |
| 21:18.21 | ebol4 | are there any other files that usually set that? |
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| 21:18.49 | ebol4 | nothing in /etc/profile.d/ setting it, nothing else in ~/ is setting it |
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| 21:19.48 | nickgaw | Now that I have both tshark and tcpdump installed if I wanted to capture and watch all packates from one of my systems and know it's name on the network how would I do this? |
| 21:20.36 | ebol4 | man tcpdump |
| 21:20.54 | nickgaw | is tcpdump better then tshark? |
| 21:21.08 | ebol4 | not sure, I've never personally use tshark, tcpdump always did enough for me |
| 21:21.08 | teraflops | is lighter⦠|
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| 21:24.11 | nickgaw | there are so many options I wish to have it look on wlp0 which is my wifi network and capture pc1 which is my windows 10 system what would I type into make this happen as the manual page has lots of information? |
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| 21:29.10 | ebol4 | nickgaw: tcpdump -i <interface> host <ip address> |
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| 21:35.55 | hdss | would you guys recommend using the driver from the ATI website to fix my black VT1-6 issue under Xen? |
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| 21:36.21 | hdss | currently im using fglrx which i think was installed via apt-get |
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| 21:39.56 | hdss | on the ubuntu forum, i see the last comment here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer-updates/+bug/1470862 |
| 21:40.08 | hdss | they say that this has been fixed if we used the latest drivers from ATI website |
| 21:40.34 | hdss | is the latest debian fglrx package older than the ATI website's drivers? |
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| 21:48.50 | ebol4 | My PATH is getting set to "/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games" but I have no idea where |
| 21:49.07 | ebol4 | I've checked ~/.bashrc, ~/.profile, /etc/profile, /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 21:49.31 | ebol4 | I've done `grep -R '/usr/games/' /etc/` and it came up with nothing |
| 21:49.38 | ebol4 | I cannot figure out what is setting my PATH |
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| 21:55.43 | teraflops | ebol4: grep games /etc/profile ಠ_ಠ|
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| 21:57.30 | ebol4 | teraflops: this is the PATH line in /etc/profile: PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" |
| 21:57.44 | ebol4 | is there just a global default hardcoded into bash or something? |
| 21:58.11 | ebol4 | i guess there must be, if it's not specified in any configs |
| 21:58.34 | petn-randall | ebol4: teraflops just told you the answer. |
| 21:58.43 | ebol4 | teraflops didn't tell me shit |
| 21:58.54 | ebol4 | i just said I grep'd everything already |
| 21:59.22 | teraflops | idk what's going on there, I have 3 jessie installs at home all of them have PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games" |
| 21:59.26 | petn-randall | ebol4: Sounds like you're not running Debian then. |
| 21:59.55 | petn-randall | ebol4: It's set in my /etc/profile. So either you typo'd the command, or you're not running Debian. |
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| 22:00.25 | teraflops | ^ |
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| 22:06.28 | bherman | i lost one of my drives in a lvm+raid5 setup how do i reinstall grub |
| 22:06.53 | alekz | a 2min google search will tell you bherman |
| 22:07.27 | bherman | alexkz ive tried using update-grub grub-mkconfig and grub-install all dont seem to work in a chroot of the lvm partition |
| 22:09.03 | bherman | im in the debian rescue environment and I am installing grub to all the drives |
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| 22:10.50 | bherman | that didn't work any other thoughts alekz? |
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| 22:12.45 | alekz | sorry mate, was grabbing some coffee |
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| 22:14.33 | alekz | are you working from a LiveCD? |
| 22:14.37 | bherman | yes |
| 22:15.00 | bherman | im trying now a reinstall of debian to a dirty drive |
| 22:15.12 | alekz | you don't have to reinstall the whole system |
| 22:15.21 | bherman | it didnt have much on there |
| 22:15.23 | alekz | mount the livecd |
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| 22:15.28 | bherman | just virutualbox |
| 22:15.40 | alekz | try mounting /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run |
| 22:16.00 | alekz | then chroot |
| 22:16.08 | bherman | ok ill try that |
| 22:16.14 | alekz | and grub2-install for every device in your array |
| 22:16.25 | alekz | grub2-install /dev/sda |
| 22:16.28 | alekz | grub2-install /dev/sdb , etc... |
| 22:16.31 | bherman | the rescue enviroment did that for me right? |
| 22:16.44 | bherman | i guess not because it didn't work right |
| 22:17.12 | alekz | rescue environmente from live? |
| 22:17.17 | bherman | yes |
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| 22:17.31 | alekz | it won't mount anything |
| 22:17.38 | alekz | you have to do it manually |
| 22:17.53 | alekz | and after you install, you have to update GRUB's config |
| 22:17.57 | bherman | i think it changed there is this new menu that auto chroots and everything |
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| 22:18.24 | alekz | grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 22:18.41 | alekz | Oh, haven't tried that |
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| 22:19.09 | alekz | check for the /boot/grub/ |
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| 22:19.17 | alekz | don't remember is grub/ or grub2/ |
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| 22:20.18 | Brigo | the installer has a rescue mode that makes all the mounts for you. |
| 22:20.38 | alekz | there you go bherman |
| 22:20.39 | alekz | thanks Brigo |
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| 22:21.03 | alekz | then just check where are your devices mounted |
| 22:21.53 | Brigo | alekz, np |
| 22:22.15 | bherman | yes i was using that before |
| 22:22.18 | bherman | hmm |
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| 22:24.02 | alekz | bherman: I would try a non-rescue environment and do everything manually |
| 22:26.46 | yurb | on fedora, resolveip anything.localhost points to 127.0.0.1 - how to achieve the same behavior on debian? |
| 22:27.18 | yurb | (without hard-coding in /etc/hosts)? |
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| 22:32.23 | syco_ | systemd ? |
| 22:33.45 | alekz | dnsmasq? |
| 22:34.40 | yeehi | Save Internet Neutrality: Here is the link to the FCC, who are again requesting public comments on whether to weaken Net Neutrality: https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/filings/express |
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| 22:41.56 | ross` | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free |
| 22:41.58 | ross` | OpenSSL 1.0.1t 3 May 2016 |
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| 22:42.00 | ross` | can someone explain to me why my ssl version is so outdated |
| 22:42.53 | missmbob | because stable means it doesnt update to new versions. security patchess are backported |
| 22:43.03 | missmbob | if you want, jessie-backports has 1.0.2k |
| 22:43.10 | ross` | what about 1.1 |
| 22:43.19 | ross` | shouldn't that be version 1.1 something |
| 22:43.41 | missmbob | ,checkbackport openssl |
| 22:43.42 | judd | Backporting package openssl in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, jessie-backports. |
| 22:43.54 | missmbob | you can do ssb yourself |
| 22:43.57 | missmbob | !ssb |
| 22:43.58 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 22:44.21 | ross` | sid is newer than jessie right |
| 22:44.36 | ross` | what should my sources.lst say if I want to dist upgrade to sid |
| 22:44.37 | missmbob | yes. has 1.1.0e-2 |
| 22:44.44 | missmbob | dont upgrade to sid |
| 22:44.55 | missmbob | that's not what i said. read what the bot said |
| 22:45.21 | alekz | haha |
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| 22:46.23 | ross` | @.@ |
| 22:46.34 | ross` | I don't understand what the bot said.. |
| 22:46.37 | ross` | That's what I have I think |
| 22:46.57 | missmbob | someone else can help you. i dont have time, sorry |
| 22:47.14 | yeehi | State that you specifically support Strong Net Neutrality and Title 2 oversight of Internet Service Providers, and the reasons you support this (Liberty, for example). |
| 22:47.26 | ross` | sid sources |
| 22:47.35 | ross` | how do I get the bot to tell me what my sources.lst should be for upgrading to sit |
| 22:47.38 | ross` | sid |
| 22:47.41 | ross` | I already have backports and that's not helping |
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| 22:47.53 | missmbob | yeehi: go to #debian-offtopic if you want. and gofccyourself.com is a better link since it has the proceeding already picked |
| 22:48.07 | missmbob | ross`: no one, not me, not the bot, said upgrade to sid |
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| 22:48.12 | ross` | I know, but that will work |
| 22:48.17 | ross` | My sid desktop has openssl 1.1 something |
| 22:48.27 | alekz | do you know what implies changing to SID? |
| 22:48.38 | ross` | My laptop and desktop have sid |
| 22:48.42 | yeehi | missmob - thanks for that suggestion. I tried gofccyourself.com but the link no longer takes you directly to the page, in my experience |
| 22:48.42 | ross` | My server has jessie |
| 22:48.44 | missmbob | you're on your own. sid support is at #debian-next on oftc (not freenode) |
| 22:49.06 | missmbob | yeehi: works here. just have to click on express and it's filled in |
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| 22:51.54 | ross` | The idea that debian doesn't have an openssl version compatible with apache seems ridiculous. |
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| 22:52.02 | ross` | #httpd says my openssl version is too old |
| 22:52.04 | ross` | @.@ |
| 22:52.25 | missmbob | it's compatible with the version in debian. and you've been told how to get 1.1k on stable |
| 22:52.38 | shazbotmcnasty | Helly. I'm using jessie, does anyone know how to add my monitors and their resolutions to xorg.conf.d? In say 10-monitor.conf or something? |
| 22:52.52 | ross` | missmbob: I don't understand that bot's instructions. |
| 22:53.20 | ross` | missmbob: what exactly is the deb-src line for sid that it's talking about? |
| 22:53.24 | ross` | I already have build-essential |
| 22:53.31 | ross` | how do I enable debian packports? |
| 22:53.36 | ross` | what does see <bdo> 3 mean>?!? |
| 22:53.44 | ross` | I have no idea what that bot is trying to tell me. |
| 22:54.29 | missmbob | dpkg deb-src sid |
| 22:54.30 | dpkg | You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free". Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list. |
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| 22:54.48 | ross` | okay, so is that what I need to do for the backports thing |
| 22:54.51 | ross` | or how do I us eit. |
| 22:54.52 | ross` | use it |
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| 22:55.03 | ross` | Can you please just link me to a url I can fully read to understand what I have to do. |
| 22:55.06 | ross` | I'm not lazy. |
| 22:55.12 | ross` | I don't know what line I need to add to sources.lst |
| 22:55.24 | missmbob | the bot literally just told you |
| 22:55.35 | missmbob | deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 22:55.39 | missmbob | pay attention |
| 22:55.46 | missmbob | actually read, dont skim |
| 22:56.06 | ross` | http://scpb.in/sources.lst |
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| 22:56.55 | ross` | okay, I added that line |
| 22:57.14 | alekz | .ignore ross` ALL |
| 22:57.29 | MickyW | !make some coffee please |
| 22:57.35 | ross` | dpkg: debian-backports |
| 22:57.35 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 22:57.41 | missmbob | do step 3 forward |
| 22:57.45 | missmbob | dont fucking do that |
| 22:57.51 | ross` | ? |
| 22:57.51 | missmbob | jesus. it's not in backports |
| 22:57.58 | ross` | I am so completely confused right now |
| 22:57.58 | missmbob | fuck man. do what we say |
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| 22:58.03 | ross` | I read what the bot said 7 times |
| 22:58.14 | missmbob | do step 3 forward in this: |
| 22:58.16 | alekz | missmbob: ignoring non-google users is sometimes better :P |
| 22:58.16 | missmbob | !ssb |
| 22:58.16 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 22:58.39 | missmbob | if you actually READ that and do it, you'll be set |
| 22:59.04 | missmbob | 3 and forward |
| 22:59.09 | ross` | so to be clear is it saying I need to do apt build-dep openssl? |
| 22:59.23 | ross` | You seem to know how to understand what the bot is saying. |
| 22:59.27 | ross` | I am reading what the bot is saying, I am not skimming |
| 22:59.29 | missmbob | i'm saying you need to read. and that's what the bot is telling you to do, yes |
| 22:59.33 | ross` | oka |
| 23:00.48 | ross` | missmbob: I'm sorry I don't understand the bot. I am not being lazy and skimming it though. I simply don't understand at all what it is saying for this part: enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) |
| 23:01.03 | teraflops | alekz: hmm what's a non-google user? |
| 23:01.07 | ross` | I also didn't know what the exact line should be from reading this: Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!) |
| 23:01.09 | missmbob | dont worry about it. that's why i said 3 forward three times |
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| 23:01.28 | ross` | ahhh okay |
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| 23:02.38 | ross` | missmbob: http://scpb.in/apt-openssl |
| 23:02.40 | ross` | how do I fix this |
| 23:03.41 | ross` | Setting up debhelper (9.20150101+deb8u2) ... |
| 23:03.47 | ross` | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 10) |
| 23:03.49 | ross` | bleh |
| 23:03.55 | ross` | apt install debhelper installed too old a version |
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| 23:05.19 | mutante | ross`: that line does not seem to appear in the bot output ? |
| 23:05.30 | ross` | apt-get -b source packagename |
| 23:05.39 | ross` | It says taht right after aptitude build-dep packagename |
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| 23:08.23 | ross` | Was I NOT supposed to apt-get -b source openssl? |
| 23:08.25 | ross` | that's what the bot told me to do! |
| 23:08.38 | ross` | Atleast I am not the only person who has no idea what the bot is saying though, that makes me feel better |
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| 23:08.58 | ross` | But it still doesn't help me. I have errors and mismatched package versions |
| 23:09.52 | ross` | I added the deb-src line for sid, I did apt update, I did apt build-dep openssl. |
| 23:09.58 | ross` | Then it failed on apt-get -b source openssl |
| 23:10.07 | ross` | can someone please help me, why is my debhelper package not > 10 |
| 23:10.30 | ross` | I already have build-essential so that's not the issue |
| 23:10.39 | ross` | the error is here: http://scpb.in/apt-openssl |
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| 23:12.18 | ross` | If I try to repeat those steps with debhelper it breaks also |
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| 23:13.25 | ross` | This is crazy, I can't get a single apt-get -b source foo to work! |
| 23:13.27 | ross` | They all fail! |
| 23:13.32 | shazbotmcnasty | Does anyone know about the "no devices to configure" issue when running "X -configure" ? |
| 23:13.49 | ross` | I don't see what I could have done to break anything |
| 23:15.08 | ross` | Can someone help me clean my debian I guess? I am not sure what is wrong but something is seriously version mismatched and I don't know how |
| 23:15.12 | mutante | ross`: the issue here is the "gpgv: Can't check signature: public key not found" |
| 23:15.17 | ross` | I want to make sure my sources.lst are right because I have no idea what they should be. |
| 23:15.24 | ross` | mutante: how do I fix that? Is that my fault? |
| 23:15.42 | ross` | mutante: I don't think that's the issue. I think the issue is that debhelper is < 10 |
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| 23:15.46 | ross` | .10 |
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| 23:16.53 | ross` | I wish I knew what was wrong with my debian. |
| 23:16.58 | ross` | I don't think I did anything exotic.. |
| 23:17.10 | ross` | I can't think of any commands I could have run that could have broken it. |
| 23:17.21 | ross` | And I'm no expert but I think I'd know. |
| 23:17.26 | ross` | All of the stuff I've done has been super basic |
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| 23:18.18 | mutante | ross`: the part that is definitely not super basic is that it's "sid" |
| 23:18.36 | ross` | mutante: I just want to know if the problem is me or someone else's script. |
| 23:18.37 | ross` | :( |
| 23:18.41 | mutante | ross`: i'd tell you if i knew about debhelper version but dunno |
| 23:18.42 | ross` | I followed the bots directions exactlyt |
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| 23:23.15 | dirac1 | I mean.. |
| 23:23.19 | dirac1 | bye |
| 23:23.23 | teraflops | o/ |
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