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| 02:18.19 | Hoolootwo | what is the proper way to build an upstream kernel to a package? |
| 02:19.57 | Guest60668 | dam its quite in here |
| 02:20.01 | Hoolootwo | I'm doing make bindeb-pkg, and I'm getting a /DEBIAN folder in / and errors about multiarch |
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| 02:23.03 | somiaj | Hoolootwo: make deb-pkg |
| 02:23.29 | somiaj | Hoolootwo: this is included in upstream kernels, afer you configure it with menuconfig, oldconfig, etc, that command will build and put the kernel into a package. |
| 02:23.45 | Hoolootwo | I'm doing make bindeb-pkg |
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| 02:24.13 | Hoolootwo | which should do the same thing , but without source, right? |
| 02:24.45 | somiaj | oh, unsure on that. I haven't built my own kernel in quite a long time |
| 02:25.16 | somiaj | I only know of deb-pkg. It may build more packages, but you don't need to install them all. But if the bindeb-pkg target isn't working you may have something else going on. |
| 02:25.30 | somiaj | what build enviorment are you using? what arch? building in a clean chroot? etc? |
| 02:25.57 | Hoolootwo | I'm building it on gentoo, from the same sources that work on that machine, which is a thing I need to test |
| 02:26.12 | Hoolootwo | I'm trying to isolate variables here |
| 02:26.42 | Guest60668 | how do you get kali on virtual box to pick up the wireless adapter? can not find any networks nor i cant get eth0 or lo up |
| 02:26.50 | somiaj | !kali |
| 02:26.50 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 02:27.30 | somiaj | Hoolootwo: this I'm unsure is even possible unless you build from inside a debian chroot. I don't know if/how the build tools for debian packages would work under a distro like gentoo. |
| 02:28.10 | Hoolootwo | hmm, ok |
| 02:28.29 | Hoolootwo | I guess that's feasible that something isn't configured right |
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| 02:46.59 | Hoolootwo | bc should be a build-dependency for linux-image-* |
| 02:47.12 | Hoolootwo | is there a reason it's not? |
| 02:47.44 | Hoolootwo | also linux is amazingly quick to respond when it's sitting completely in RAM |
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| 04:05.53 | awal1 | I only have a few wm's installed and a limited nº of software |
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| 04:07.32 | awal1 | I noticed that "reading data base ... x nº of files or dirs installed! is much slower since a few months, with new apt versions, compared to jessie/wheezy |
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| 04:07.53 | awal1 | well, I'm refering to my sid stretch machine |
| 04:08.10 | VentGrey | :-D Hello world |
| 04:08.20 | leaked-sex-tapes | http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/unreleased-kim-kardashian-playboy/kim-kardashian-playboy-outtakes-6.jpg |
| 04:08.29 | somiaj | sid/stretch machine? you mean one that mixes both sid and stretch sources through pinning? |
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| 04:10.10 | TomG_ | awal1, hi, you can try dpkg --clear-avail |
| 04:10.16 | TomG_ | awal1, i think that'll do what you want |
| 04:10.20 | awal1 | somiaj, no, just pointing to unstable (sid) ; I usually no mix branches; I mean I noticed the more delay since the development of stretch , before freezing |
| 04:10.27 | leaked-sex-tapes | http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/unreleased-kim-kardashian-playboy/kim-kardashian-playboy-outtakes-6.jpg |
| 04:10.41 | awal1 | somiaj, kicj ^please :) |
| 04:10.46 | awal1 | kick |
| 04:10.53 | Tsutsukakushi | why would anyone want to see kardashian sex tapes |
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| 04:11.01 | VentGrey | -.- we do not need sextapes |
| 04:11.01 | Tsutsukakushi | sounds disgusting |
| 04:11.11 | VentGrey | we have debian |
| 04:11.16 | Hoolootwo | surprisingly I only saw it here and on #freenode |
| 04:11.19 | VentGrey | it is like 8029 times better than sex |
| 04:11.22 | Tsutsukakushi | what will you do with your debian if not watch sextapes |
| 04:11.38 | somiaj | no need for additional noise |
| 04:11.48 | VentGrey | right, sorry :c |
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| 04:12.59 | awal1 | TomG_, well, I have never used that dpkg option; I see it in man but I do't really understand in which context it applies :P |
| 04:13.25 | VentGrey | I never knew dpkg had that option |
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| 04:15.17 | TomG_ | awal1, it's to do with what you were complaining about. dpkg taking a really long time even though you don't have a lot installed. if you run dpkg --clear-avail it will remove uninstalled packages (30000+) from its database, and afterwards go 50 times faster. why don't you try it? |
| 04:15.41 | TomG_ | it just means that the packages won't show up in dselect unless you run a dselect update, but you probably don't use dselect anyway |
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| 04:17.18 | mrrhq | after apt-get update, won't that cache just get filled up with avaialble packages again? |
| 04:17.43 | awal1 | TomG_, I never used dselect, maybe as many many debian users :D |
| 04:17.56 | mrrhq | I don't use it either, only apt. |
| 04:18.19 | awal1 | TomG_, in fact my choice will depends on if I understand what " reading database..." does exactly |
| 04:18.42 | awal1 | what is the point there durring upgrades/installs |
| 04:20.30 | TomG_ | mrrhq, no, the dpkg available database is separate from the apt database :) |
| 04:20.37 | awal1 | so when "reading database..." what dpkg does exactly? I thought it reads local installed pkgs+there files&dirs |
| 04:20.44 | TomG_ | awal1, it reads a large database you can see for yourself in /var/lib/dpkg/available :) |
| 04:20.59 | awal1 | TomG_, oh, ok |
| 04:21.02 | TomG_ | and some of the other files there. if you run dpkg --clear-avail it will clear the available file and it will go faster |
| 04:22.09 | awal1 | what are the disadvantages doing that (--clear-avail) ? |
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| 04:22.57 | awal1 | bcoz I asked not bcoz the "deading database..." delay others me, it was more for understand why the delay :P |
| 04:23.16 | awal1 | bcoz I asked not bcoz the "reading database..." delay bothers me, it was more for understand why the delay :P |
| 04:26.45 | Rusty1_ | how much delay is there? |
| 04:27.12 | TomG_ | i already said the only disadvantage I am aware of, you don't get the package listing in dselect unless you run its update (and then you have to run dpkg --clear-avail all over again) |
| 04:27.49 | Hoolootwo | for me, depending on the computer, the delay can range from imperceptible to two minutes |
| 04:28.07 | awal1 | maybe 10 to 20 seconds more than usual |
| 04:28.18 | awal1 | TomG_, ok, I got it. |
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| 04:29.03 | TomG_ | okay good :) for everyone |
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| 04:32.07 | VentGrey | Mmm weird, i am receiving MATE desktop updates o,0 |
| 04:32.14 | VentGrey | aren't we frozen? |
| 04:34.10 | awal1 | VentGrey, if that is Stretch, maybe rc bugs fixed |
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| 04:37.54 | VentGrey | its 1.16.2, new ver apparently |
| 04:38.04 | VentGrey | maybe critical bug fix? |
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| 04:38.59 | awal1 | check pts and bts with the exact pkg name |
| 04:39.10 | VentGrey | let me see |
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| 04:39.16 | gry | can't you check? https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/mate-desktop or something |
| 04:39.22 | VentGrey | nono |
| 04:39.29 | VentGrey | not full mate |
| 04:39.59 | VentGrey | There were some panel & control center updates yesterday and today there was one, i think it was the icon theme |
| 04:40.01 | gry | ok, check the right package, I'm being a bit dumb |
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| 04:40.18 | VentGrey | give me 2 secs |
| 04:42.12 | VentGrey | The status of mate-panel source package in Debian's Testing distribution has changed |
| 04:42.30 | VentGrey | from 1.16.0-2 to 1.16.2-1 |
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| 04:43.36 | VentGrey | bananapi xD |
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| 06:47.14 | jer0me | good morning all, I am looking for some program / script to remove personal data from a text file (emails, addresses, zip codes, telephone numbers, names ...). I can do some with regexps, but there may be some better/existing tools for this. |
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| 06:50.52 | Tykling | hello, I am trying to update a bios using https://wiki.debian.org/FlashBIOS but the bios files won't fit inside balder10.img, can I resize the img somehow? thanks! |
| 06:51.08 | borsin | jer0me: you probably want grep or awk. |
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| 06:51.32 | somiaj | jer0me: what sort of text files and what format is this personal data in it? I don't know of any prebuilt tools, you'll have to use a combination of regex and programing, can be done in various languages. |
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| 06:54.58 | jer0me | borsin and somiaj : as of now, it is a libreoffice, unformatted, document, containing the concatenation of ~1000 emails body. I was looking for "battle tested" scripts, since writing regexps for faulty user input can be tedious. |
| 06:55.11 | jer0me | bodies* |
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| 06:57.10 | jer0me | nothing will be 100% efficient and the document should be proof read by humans, but there may exist some clever scripts. Will keep searching. |
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| 06:59.40 | somiaj | being more specific like emails or just remove email address may find you better luck |
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| 07:00.25 | somiaj | so maybe not one tool that is best for your case, but can maybe get some nice regex that work for more specific situations |
| 07:00.32 | jer0me | maybe I'll just test some recipes from http://www.regular-expressions.info/email.html and the likes, see what gives the best results. |
| 07:00.50 | somiaj | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3303184/how-to-remove-email-addresses-and-links-from-a-string-in-php |
| 07:00.56 | somiaj | for example there is a way to remove emails |
| 07:00.58 | borsin | you may want grep -v or grep -E depending on what you're trying to do. |
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| 07:02.44 | Antares | Parade Victory http://www.1tv.ru/live Parade Victory |
| 07:03.23 | jelly | Antares: #debian-offtopic, not here |
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| 07:05.38 | Gregory321 | hi all |
| 07:05.51 | Gregory321 | anybody from Poland |
| 07:06.04 | Gregory321 | :) |
| 07:07.18 | jelly | !pl |
| 07:07.18 | dpkg | Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>. |
| 07:08.14 | Tykling | does anyone know a tool to resize a fat12 .img file, I need to fit some bios files inside the balder10.img image from grml |
| 07:08.34 | Gregory321 | that no problem im anew user for linuic debian and ive got qwuestion about grub 2 |
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| 07:09.17 | Gregory321 | im uisn a dvd installer and when im installing debian grub 2 dont see my windows 7 |
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| 07:11.02 | jelly | Gregory321: which specific installer image did you download (URL)? Does your system use legacy(BIOS) or UEFI firmware for booting? |
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| 07:13.54 | Gregory321 | i think its a legacy bios and my dvd is an Iso from oryginal page from debian |
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| 07:14.24 | Gregory321 | i was burned him yesterday |
| 07:14.35 | Gregory321 | veryfication is good no errors |
| 07:15.07 | Gregory321 | its a full dvd wit other distro like mate cinnamon kde |
| 07:15.18 | Gregory321 | version 8.0.0 |
| 07:15.24 | Gregory321 | jessie i think:) |
| 07:15.43 | jelly | are you positive it's 8.0.0? 8.8 is out... |
| 07:15.57 | jelly | do you have the EXACT URL of the image you used? |
| 07:16.24 | Gregory321 | 8.8.0 sorry mistake my |
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| 07:17.39 | jelly | Gregory321: does debian work now? pastebin the output of "lsblk" command |
| 07:17.40 | Sir_Designer | could it be that he has windows booting via mbr? |
| 07:17.43 | jelly | !paste |
| 07:17.43 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 07:17.59 | Gregory321 | www.debian.org/downloads |
| 07:18.39 | Gregory321 | its a fres instalation on ssd disk i create a root partition home boot and swap |
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| 07:19.15 | Gregory321 | when instalation started making grub he sees only vista loader nad i have only windows 7 on these ssd |
| 07:19.35 | Gregory321 | fresh instalation |
| 07:20.08 | jelly | Gregory321: what happens when you choose the "vista loader" in grub menu? |
| 07:21.18 | Gregory321 | i dontt chose him because the info says if i dont see my system it could be dangerous when i chcec the forums people adwices me repair the grub i mean updated but im a new in debian and i dont know where to start this |
| 07:22.01 | Gregory321 | the recomended the command like update-grub 2 |
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| 07:23.39 | Gregory321 | im sorry for my write mistakes i wake up early to fix this:) |
| 07:25.24 | jelly | Gregory321: reboot, pick that "vista loader" entry in the menu, and tell us what happens. |
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| 07:25.58 | Gregory321 | ok ill try if it works i let you know thanks:) |
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| 07:40.11 | Gregory321 | jelly i find the solution on the other channel people say the vista loader its a wiondows 7 loader grub se hes loader as vista |
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| 07:44.27 | Gregory321 | i got a question about distro is mate is good or kde |
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| 07:46.22 | Gregory321 | so anybopdy tell me something about that:) |
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| 07:49.07 | mrrhq | Mate is really good and fast, personally. KDE (and Gnome) are a litte heavier, but have more integration with Qt/GTK+ applications respectively. |
| 07:51.07 | Gregory321 | about look is mate have a cool libray of themes |
| 07:51.35 | Gregory321 | i want to use linux for home and the future dor programming maybe:) |
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| 09:04.10 | dcpc007 | hi all, on serveurs or workstation, would you recommand or diapprouv autofs for nfs share usage on user home and shared applications ? |
| 09:04.21 | dcpc007 | even shared data folders |
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| 09:06.58 | jolt | dcpc007: I think autofs is fine, we run that on our servers at work |
| 09:07.12 | koollman | dcpc007: it's fine |
| 09:07.13 | jolt | that and sssd to auto via LDAP |
| 09:07.50 | jolt | (and AD unfortunately) |
| 09:08.08 | dcpc007 | i used with NIS, but on new cluster they "forbid" autofs to put static fstab mounts... (simplier and no risk or mount delay they argue) |
| 09:08.39 | dcpc007 | and then now, start to spread this everywhere (duplicate ldap + static mount ) |
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| 09:09.24 | dcpc007 | i'd like the autofs for "hide" what user don't need, to have a very limited local config (only activate +auto.master :) ) and auto dismount when not used |
| 09:09.32 | koollman | well, that's also the advantage of autofs ... dynamic maps... Sure, a purely static mount is simpler |
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| 09:10.04 | dcpc007 | and if we need to move "folders", it's easy on the central map... now we'll have to go on each local server/compute |
| 09:10.08 | koollman | but it means you cannot just make the list evolve. what is their plan for deploying new mounts if they happen ? |
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| 09:11.10 | dcpc007 | should not have many "root" mount points .... user home, a common data, and an app, after all is in subfolders |
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| 09:11.55 | dcpc007 | but yes if we need a new one, will be more complicated, especially with user computer in dual boot .. (with some not booting often on linux :) ) and no deploy tool |
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| 09:29.08 | bazhang | EyaA, debian support issue? |
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| 10:44.15 | comrad | hi there |
| 10:44.37 | comrad | i deleted a configuration file and now I want to reinstall the according package with apt install --reinstall |
| 10:44.45 | comrad | but the configuration file is not created |
| 10:44.49 | comrad | what can i do? |
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| 10:46.06 | NiLon | you could try dpkg-reconfigure |
| 10:46.16 | f-a | hello. I am using gnome, how do I make scrollbars wider? |
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| 10:47.48 | comrad | NiLon: no configuration file created :-( |
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| 10:47.56 | comrad | i even removed the package at all and reinstalled |
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| 10:49.16 | NiLon | comrad well if you purge it and then install again it should install config file as well |
| 10:49.34 | comrad | NiLon: i found a solution |
| 10:49.36 | comrad | NiLon: apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install --reinstall icinga2-common |
| 10:49.42 | comrad | does force the creation of configuration files |
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| 10:52.02 | NiLon | good to know |
| 10:52.22 | comrad | NiLon: maybe he didnt start to create the config files because some of them were still there |
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| 10:53.52 | NiLon | could be and purge should remove all config files, thus I saw it might help |
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| 10:58.05 | comrad | NiLon: right, purge was an option i didnt try |
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| 11:01.21 | gardy | any debian stable & nextcloud experimets? how it worked? |
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| 11:04.48 | jsheeren | hi all, quick question about the debian cloud images. in the jessie cloud image, after launching a vm, there is no /etc/hosts file. Is this normal? |
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| 11:10.41 | Night_Elf | Is there a debian cloud image? Where? |
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| 11:57.55 | at0m | ,v nextcloud |
| 11:57.56 | judd | No package named 'nextcloud' was found in amd64. |
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| 11:58.02 | at0m | ,v owncloud |
| 11:58.03 | judd | Package: owncloud on amd64 -- jessie-security: 7.0.4+dfsg-4~deb8u3 |
| 11:58.17 | at0m | guess they do their own repo's :s |
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| 12:10.43 | altyr | at0m: https://github.com/nextcloud/server-packages/issues/5 |
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| 12:17.40 | gardy | what even is debian cloud?!?! :) |
| 12:19.02 | ForceRecon | https://wiki.debian.org/Cloud |
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| 13:35.37 | BluesKaj | 'Morning |
| 13:36.47 | candidat | morning BluesKaj |
| 13:36.49 | candidat | hey does anyone knows how to install on debian no-ip application ? |
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| 13:37.01 | smhar | greetings |
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| 13:37.33 | BluesKaj | hi candidat ...no ip app ?? |
| 13:37.45 | BluesKaj | hi smhar |
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| 13:37.51 | candidat | BluesKaj: yes no ip app |
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| 13:38.04 | BluesKaj | what does that mean ? |
| 13:38.49 | candidat | https://www.noip.com/ |
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| 13:39.25 | smhar | I have debian jessie installed on a laptop. I installed another jessie along side it in another partition.. both are sharing a /boot partition .. Both start with the same kernel. Then I upgraded the new jessie to stretch with new kernel |
| 13:39.52 | candidat | i have a small server and its a debian and i want to install the dyndns called noip |
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| 13:40.06 | candidat | there is a source application to install on the server |
| 13:40.10 | smhar | I want to remove the old kernel from stretch.. but since it is in the same share /boot, will it affect the old jessie? |
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| 13:43.33 | BluesKaj | candidat, seems you just follow thirt instructions, it really has nothing to do with debian |
| 13:43.47 | BluesKaj | their |
| 13:44.17 | candidat | i need help concerning installation on debian |
| 13:44.30 | BluesKaj | candidat, you may want to ask in #networking |
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| 13:57.40 | grg2 | hey |
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| 14:02.21 | cronic | Hey guys/girls. Is it possible to "build" a .deb package with some .sh files & without compiling something? ill get an error after installing my own .deb package whats telling me that "error processing package OWNPACKAGE (--install): |
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| 14:02.33 | cronic | subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 127 |
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| 14:03.34 | themill | why do you have a postinst script? |
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| 14:04.43 | cronic | i want .deb for managing depencies, the postinst script is a call to another script that does a configure dialog to make a config.cfg |
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| 14:06.12 | themill | a common mistake is to do too much in postinst btw |
| 14:06.40 | themill | anyway, walk before you run. skip the postinst; is the rest of the package OK? |
| 14:06.47 | cronic | mhh theres nothing special, just a key exchange |
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| 14:07.07 | cronic | should be. hold on ill rm the postinst. |
| 14:07.20 | themill | errno 127 is key expired btw |
| 14:07.46 | cronic | naah.. not known host? |
| 14:07.49 | cronic | could be.. |
| 14:08.18 | themill | the numbers aren't unique of course, but that's from errno.h |
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| 14:09.50 | caisong_ | hello, does someone know how to support nfsd 4.2 on Debian |
| 14:09.54 | cronic | jap.. solved :> |
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| 14:09.58 | cronic | thanks themill |
| 14:10.24 | themill | np |
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| 14:53.06 | FlashDance | What exactly am I looking for: I want a copy of Debian 8.8 release for a computer without internet... I also want a copy of the USB bootable and install on portable flashdrive? |
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| 14:53.30 | FlashDance | I had done the same with Jessie |
| 14:53.41 | missmbob | 8.8 is jessie |
| 14:53.54 | FlashDance | 8.7 Jessie |
| 14:54.08 | missmbob | 8 anything is jessie. .x is just the patch update series |
| 14:54.39 | jhutchins_wk | FlashDance: So download it. |
| 14:54.39 | somiaj | FlashDance: the dvd image should be enough, just get a more current debian image. Or if you have an older debian .iso you use, you can get just an update cd. |
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| 14:55.30 | FlashDance | DVD image or cd update... Thank you, |
| 14:56.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | What's a good resource/guide for creating binary-only packages (e.g. for blobs, firmware etc.)? |
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| 14:57.40 | missmbob | do it the normal way and then delete the source packages? :P |
| 14:58.38 | somiaj | dpkg-buildpackage and other tools have flags -b to build binary only packages. |
| 14:59.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | I mean I want to create a package from scratch, not just build it. |
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| 15:01.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | I suspect I should use dh_make and go from there, but I'm unsure if there's anything better. |
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| 15:04.38 | cronic | Eduard_Munteanu: Do you want a .deb package? |
| 15:05.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | cronic, yes |
| 15:05.40 | somiaj | Eduard_Munteanu: have you read the debian new matainers guide? |
| 15:05.42 | somiaj | !dmg |
| 15:05.42 | dpkg | hmm... dmg is Apple Disk Image. If compressed (VAX COFF executable not stripped) use dmg2img, then mount -t hfsplus -o loop ... or <wodim>. |
| 15:05.54 | somiaj | !nmg |
| 15:05.54 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 15:06.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | Yeah, I was just looking through the maintainer guide. I guess I'll go that way. |
| 15:07.52 | cronic | Eduard_Munteanu: type "dpkg -b . THENAMEOFDEB.deb" |
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| 15:09.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | Oh, hm. I should try making a full package first, though. |
| 15:10.01 | cronic | Eduard_Munteanu: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
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| 15:12.00 | cronic | Eduard_Munteanu: https://www.leaseweb.com/labs/2013/06/creating-custom-debian-packages/ this also helps me. But could be outdatet or not state of the art |
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| 15:12.56 | VentGrey | Hello world, any systemd experts here? |
| 15:13.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | Thanks. |
| 15:13.17 | cronic | VentGrey: #systemd ? |
| 15:13.30 | VentGrey | It's about a bluetooth problem |
| 15:13.45 | petn-randall | VentGrey: If it's on Debian, just ask your question, and someone who knows will answer. |
| 15:13.49 | cronic | VentGrey: That was a hint to check the chan #systemd :p |
| 15:13.55 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 15:13.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 15:14.20 | VentGrey | i want to disable it, tried with systemctl disable bluetooth, tried to rfkill and so but it starts the darn bluetooth.service everytime i reboot |
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| 15:15.37 | petn-randall | VentGrey: Do you just want to have it off by default, or do you want to kill the service permanently, making bluetooth impossible to use? |
| 15:16.11 | cronic | VentGrey: normaly "systemctl disable bluetooth.service" |
| 15:16.15 | cronic | afaik |
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| 15:16.46 | VentGrey | I want to kill it forever |
| 15:16.47 | greycat | That should be the same as systemctl disable bluetooth which he said he already tried. |
| 15:17.02 | VentGrey | yeah i disabled both service and socket |
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| 15:17.19 | greycat | Oh, he lied about what he already tried. Typical. |
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| 15:17.21 | cronic | there is a "systemctl mask name.service" |
| 15:17.24 | cronic | :D |
| 15:17.33 | greycat | Can't you just delete the package if you want it dead forever? |
| 15:18.09 | VentGrey | boot messages |
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| 15:18.24 | VentGrey | takes like 10 seconds to realize it's missing bluetooth |
| 15:18.58 | cronic | maybe that helps |
| 15:18.59 | cronic | https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSNW54_1.1.1/com.ibm.kvm.v111.admin/hpssdisabling.htm |
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| 15:19.02 | greycat | So delete whatever it is that's waiting for bluetooth. |
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| 15:21.52 | dStruct | VentGrey: I'm not a bluetooth expert but on more modern systems with EFI they're able to initialize things like bluetooth, you can also some times disable them completely from the EFI. If your bluetooth hardware for example isn't compatible with the kernel module/driver you have, that may explain why it's not responding. Your dmesg/syslog may have some answers |
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| 15:23.24 | jhutchins_wk | VentGrey: You could also try blacklisting the blutooth module(s). |
| 15:23.55 | VentGrey | i followed the advice from Cronic |
| 15:24.01 | VentGrey | im going to reboot and see |
| 15:24.08 | petn-randall | greycat: "systemctl disable bluetooth.service" still allows the service to be triggered by another service/socket. |
| 15:24.57 | greycat | *nod* I was thinking along those lines... and then he said "no wait, I actually did X and Y" |
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| 15:25.50 | greycat | I don't know if I ever received a coherent answer to "delete the package", but if the actual *root* of the problem is a kernel module being loaded, well.... |
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| 15:26.45 | petn-randall | greycat: IIRC "systemctl disable bluetooth.socket" is not the same as "systemctl mask bluetooth.service". |
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| 15:29.34 | VentGrey | Wow it actually worked :D |
| 15:29.53 | cronic | :like: mask? |
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| 15:31.01 | VentGrey | Yeah |
| 15:31.03 | VentGrey | masked |
| 15:31.11 | VentGrey | and rm everything |
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| 16:05.52 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 16:07.02 | johnfg | quick question: after being logged on for a while, I lose some functionality with the keyboard, viz., keys won't repeat. Logging out and logging in fixes what's wrong. |
| 16:07.13 | johnfg | How can I get things back without logging out? |
| 16:07.26 | johnfg | I'm running jessie with all updates. |
| 16:08.15 | petn-randall | johnfg: Is the keyboard connected via USB? |
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| 16:09.36 | johnfg | petn-randall: No, the "regular" keyboard cord. |
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| 16:10.37 | petn-randall | johnfg: You mean it's an internal laptop keyboard? |
| 16:11.01 | alekz | lot of lack of info for this issue johnfg |
| 16:11.07 | johnfg | No, it's a keyboard plugged into the laptop. |
| 16:11.41 | johnfg | alekz: I wish I had more. No warning sign that the keys are going to stop repeating. |
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| 16:12.40 | alekz | I'm sure you have more info, like: a. When did it started to fail? b. What troubleshoot have you performed until now? c. Is the keyboard working well in other box? etc. |
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| 16:14.18 | FlashDance | John: Do you have the dongle ? wireless? |
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| 16:14.40 | alekz | he said is plugged, I want to think is wired |
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| 16:20.09 | CDuv | I cannot remove a package because it's broken, apt ask me to reinstall it first. |
| 16:20.09 | CDuv | But package .deb does not exist anymore on Debian Archive sites (a new version was released)... |
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| 16:22.43 | alekz | CDuv: since there are no details, it's hard to help you |
| 16:23.18 | greycat | !archive |
| 16:23.18 | greycat | Hmm, bot is sleepy. |
| 16:23.19 | dpkg | somebody said archive was a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 16:23.49 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 16:23.49 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 16:24.01 | petn-randall | CDuv: Can you provide the info above? ^^^ |
| 16:24.58 | yeehi | Run Debian GNU+Linux on a Kindle! (Jailbreak and instructions too) https://github.com/DylanHamer/DebianKindle/tree/master |
| 16:25.20 | alekz | is Dylan Hamer now spamming? |
| 16:25.21 | alekz | lol |
| 16:25.32 | greycat | !snapshot |
| 16:25.32 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 16:25.37 | petn-randall | yeehi: This is a Debian support channel, please keep it on-topic. |
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| 16:26.10 | CDuv | alekz: I was looking for a way to retrieve old version .deb file. |
| 16:26.11 | CDuv | !localized errors |
| 16:26.11 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
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| 16:30.44 | CDuv | petn-randall: Here are the infos http://paste.debian.net/931629/ |
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| 16:32.19 | yeehi | petn-randall - sorry, didn't realize it was for *support* |
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| 16:34.19 | CDuv | I managed to grab a copy of the old version (currently install) .deb from the /var/cache/apt/archives/ of another server. |
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| 16:41.54 | CDuv | Ran `dpkg --unpack packagename_oldversion.deb`, which triggered some install wizard, then running `aptitude remove packagename` worked :) |
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| 16:43.00 | alekz | great =) |
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| 16:47.54 | petn-randall | CDuv: You're running a 3rd party repo for jessie with stretch. I'm not surprised it doesn't work. |
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| 16:50.02 | CDuv | This 3rd party repo does not provides the problematic package (phpmyadmin). |
| 16:50.02 | petn-randall | CDuv: What were you trying to accomplish on this machine? |
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| 16:50.23 | CDuv | Initially, a simple `aptitude upgrade` |
| 16:51.18 | CDuv | Which failed because of broken phpmyadmin package, so looked for how to repair that (by reinstalling or removing). |
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| 16:51.47 | petn-randall | CDuv: Did you fully upgrade your system to stretch? |
| 16:51.59 | petn-randall | "apt-get dist-upgrade" would do this. |
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| 16:55.35 | CDuv | Yes, system was fully upgraded to stretch (months ago): I was just doing some maintenance upgrades |
| 16:57.32 | petn-randall | CDuv: As long as stretch isn't released, you have to do it regularly. Months ago won't do. |
| 16:58.14 | petn-randall | CDuv: If the error still persists when fully upgraded, we can look into the issue. |
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| 17:02.19 | CDuv | I was unclear, system was fully upgraded months ago but I did regular upgrades in the mean time (but I might have not did it in the past 2 weeks). |
| 17:02.19 | CDuv | I understand Stretch is not stable: that's why my question was more general: how to reinstall a package when the .deb file is nowhere to be found. |
| 17:02.20 | CDuv | I didn't realized repo were removing old .deb (but it's quite understandable: it would take too many disk place...) |
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| 17:03.20 | greycat | The !snapshot factoid tells you where they go out to pasture. |
| 17:03.25 | somiaj | !obslete |
| 17:04.02 | petn-randall | !tell CDuv -about snapshot |
| 17:04.21 | CDuv | upgraded all his Stretch minions |
| 17:04.39 | somiaj | if a package was removed from stretch you should see why, many times it is because the package is buggy. |
| 17:04.46 | greycat | (It was triggered in channel a while back.) |
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| 17:06.16 | CDuv | Thanks! |
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| 17:24.15 | tonyt | downloading debian 8.8 via torrent. i see there is 3 total dvd iso. can anyone tell me wat dvd 2 and 3 is for? |
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| 17:24.50 | greycat | More packages. |
| 17:24.57 | greycat | Same thing DVD 1 is for, really. |
| 17:25.28 | greycat | To hold the three dozen window managers and a score of text editors you will never use, etc. |
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| 17:27.17 | somiaj | but what if you want to use fvwm1... |
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| 17:27.40 | greycat | Then you apt-get install it from the internet just like everything else. |
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| 17:28.35 | jelly | somiaj: then you go back to slink like a filthy peasant |
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| 17:32.25 | tonyt | greycat ok |
| 17:32.59 | tonyt | so i should be good with just the dvd 1 iso then i take it |
| 17:33.42 | greycat | Most people are, yes. |
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| 17:34.49 | tonyt | j |
| 17:34.50 | tonyt | k |
| 17:34.55 | jelly | assuming they have a wired internet connection at installation time |
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| 17:36.38 | jvelasquez | anyone seen strange behavior with ext4 partitions on usb storage devices, with journaling turned off, when making changes, umounting, and then booting that usb device, and then the changes are not there, but when put back into my system and mounted, the changes are there, but when checking again after booting the changes are not there?? |
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| 17:41.14 | jvelasquez | can I get a version number out of the filesystem? |
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| 17:41.53 | jvelasquez | or a timestamp of last change? |
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| 17:42.44 | centrx | jvelasquez: stat filename will give you a lot of info about the file |
| 17:42.49 | centrx | jvelasquez: including the timestamp of the last change |
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| 17:43.27 | centrx | jvelasquez: There is a difference between "Modify" and "Change", I forget what it is, might be related to permissions or metadata changes versus file modifications |
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| 17:43.56 | jvelasquez | when I boot off a thumbdrive, it doesn't see my changes. |
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| 17:44.14 | jvelasquez | but when I mount to desk, my desk sees the changes. |
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| 17:45.30 | jhutchins_wk_ | jvelasquez: What changes? |
| 17:45.54 | jvelasquez | a small edit to /lib/systemd/system/getty\@.service |
| 17:46.53 | jhutchins_wk_ | jvelasquez: So you edit the file when booted from the USB, save it, open it again and it's unchanged? |
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| 17:47.48 | jvelasquez | jhutchins_wk_, yes. but that's expected, because I have it using aufs, with the rw going to a tmpfs |
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| 17:49.04 | jvelasquez | is it bad to edit a fs, when it's in use by a virtual machine ? |
| 17:49.24 | greycat | I would imagine yes. |
| 17:49.39 | jvelasquez | that might be how this trouble started. |
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| 17:52.20 | jhutchins_wk_ | jvelasquez: Generally allowing multiple tasks write access to the same file is bad. |
| 17:53.22 | grady | when i try to install php from jessie repository, i get 5.3.3 squeeze version |
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| 17:53.35 | jvelasquez | ok. so I re mkfs.ext -o ^has_jour...., and copied it all over, and it's behaving now. |
| 17:53.37 | grady | how that can been :) |
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| 17:54.24 | jvelasquez | apt-get install php7.0 |
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| 17:55.11 | grady | jvelasquez, what :D |
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| 17:58.50 | jvelasquez | from systemd, what's a strategy to start up something else instead of agetty on tty0 or tty1, which ever is active on boot? I want the default tty to be something else. |
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| 18:27.07 | setuid | Is there a window manager that, when installed, defaults to having a 'Debian 8' wallpaper by default? |
| 18:27.58 | setuid | I'm trying to track down a bug a client reported, very odd issue. They claim they were running Ubuntu 14.04 and upgraded to 16.04, but left them with a Debian 8 system. I've replicated all of the obvious edge cases that could cause this, and eliminated all but some wm package that may have given them a Debian 8 splash, confusing them. |
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| 18:30.07 | ryihne | they might have upgraded to ubuntu 17 |
| 18:30.12 | ryihne | it has gnome desktop i guess |
| 18:30.57 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.00 | setuid | you can't do it accidentally |
| 18:31.20 | setuid | IOW, do-release-upgrade won't push you to zesty |
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| 18:33.40 | ryihne | hmm |
| 18:33.52 | antena-cli | Hi! I am using Debian 8.7 Jessie x86_64 Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 running Cinnamon 2.2.16. I just dropped 30 1MB image files in the desktop and then I tried to open the file manager and the trash can. It became way way way slow. I managed to take those 30 files out of the desktop and everyting became normal again. What's happening and how can I fix this so I can use my desktop properly? |
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| 18:34.32 | setuid | antena-cli: was it building thumbnails/indexing? |
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| 18:35.18 | antena-cli | Yes. |
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| 18:36.19 | setuid | Ok, so let it do that, then the next invocation should be normal |
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| 18:42.32 | antena-cli | setuid: It's done. Still slow as Hell. I try to open a menu and it take like 20 seconds to show the menu. When I move the files to /home/user/some_folder/ the problem disapear. It only happens if I put thinks in the desktop. |
| 18:42.46 | setuid | antena-cli: are you sure you didn't add a lot of new fonts? |
| 18:43.11 | antena-cli | setuid: I didn't added any fonts since I installed Debian. |
| 18:43.21 | greycat | Is it doing one of those "I am a desktop environment! I will xapian-index every document the users puts here!" |
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| 18:44.03 | jhutchins_wk_ | ,v php |
| 18:44.04 | judd | Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; sid: 1:7.0+52 |
| 18:44.15 | jhutchins_wk_ | ,v php-common |
| 18:44.16 | judd | Package: php-common on amd64 -- stretch: 1:49; sid: 1:52 |
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| 18:46.37 | jhutchins_wk_ | antena-cli: Is your goal to have a desktop image that's composited from multiple images? |
| 18:46.50 | jhutchins_wk_ | antena-cli: background image? |
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| 18:47.46 | antena-cli | jhutchins: No. I just wanted to put some files in the desktop and organize them there. But it gets very slow. I'll have to do it in some folder somewhere else. |
| 18:48.07 | jhutchins_wk_ | Yeah, the desktop is not really intended as a place to store files. |
| 18:48.42 | greycat | I still suspect some sort of auto indexing with the intent to offer the ability to "search these precious documents" later. |
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| 19:04.32 | francine | Debian Xen doesn't boot when I try to boot using (U)EFI ... how can I fix it? |
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| 19:04.39 | francine | It hands with initam init or so |
| 19:04.45 | francine | *hangs |
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| 19:05.27 | ChmEarl | francine, there is a BTS that describes putting all in the ESP |
| 19:06.00 | francine | BTS? |
| 19:06.06 | ChmEarl | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=703586 |
| 19:06.07 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/703586 in xen-hypervisor-4.1-amd64 (closed, upstream): «Xen fails to boot Linux dom0 under UEFI»; severity: important; opened: 2013-03-21; last modified: 2014-12-23. |
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| 19:06.58 | francine | My grub etc _is_ in /boot(efi |
| 19:07.01 | francine | * /boot/efi |
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| 19:09.18 | francine | ChmEarl: I have read many articles etc and don't get it working |
| 19:09.21 | francine | What can I do? |
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| 19:11.33 | ChmEarl | francine, drop into the UEFI shell and try from there |
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| 19:12.45 | francine | ChmEarl: I'm not into UEFI ... I don't know how to use it |
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| 19:14.28 | AlexLikeRock_ | hi |
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| 19:15.30 | jhutchins_wk_ | francine:https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#UEFI_Shell |
| 19:15.35 | MaxLanar | hi, vlc can't manage to center my video when I play it fullscreen. (the image stay on the bottom left with big black empty space around it on the top and the right). Is there a trick or option I missed in order to play it at the center ? |
| 19:16.58 | MaxLanar | sadly mplayer can't play it (it can't play any x265 vid on my debian box) |
| 19:17.12 | francine | jhutchins_wk_: I doesn't help me if I don't know _what_ I want to do there for Xen |
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| 19:20.26 | jelly | MaxLanar: what about mpv? |
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| 19:21.33 | AlexLikeRock_ | libXXXX265 |
| 19:21.35 | MaxLanar | jelly: never mind, "In Tools > Preferences > Video > Output change to "OpenGL GLX video output(XCB)", save and restart vlc" did the trick :) |
| 19:21.42 | somiaj | MaxLanar: could it be a videocard/video mode option in which vlc isn't able to stretch the video to fit full screen, and just makes it full size |
| 19:21.49 | jelly | AlexLikeRock_: that won't help on its own |
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| 19:22.47 | jelly | MaxLanar: did you have some weird output configured? |
| 19:22.58 | jelly | before that |
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| 19:25.01 | antena-cli | jhutchins: Not to store files, but in Windows I can use it to organize them before storing it in some folder. The desktop is a nice place to organize stuff. Is like a real desktop, where we work with stuff before storing it somewhere else. |
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| 19:43.08 | dgriffi | is there a debian-mate forum or mailing list somewhere? |
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| 20:33.07 | jhutchins_wk_ | `!mate |
| 20:33.11 | jhutchins_wk_ | !mate |
| 20:33.12 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8 "Jessie" (and also in wheezy-backports). To install, ask me about <install mate>. https://wiki.debian.org/Mate http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on chat.freenode.net. |
| 20:33.30 | jhutchins_wk_ | dgriffi: See above. |
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| 20:35.36 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 20:37.07 | Azrael_- | i've added the jessie backport-source to apt and installed just one package. now occasionally apt offers me a whole other non-related packages from bpo as update although the basic package is installed from the normal sources. how can i debug/analyze this best? |
| 20:37.51 | greycat | !bat |
| 20:37.52 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 20:37.57 | jhutchins_wk_ | Azrael_-: This is not normal behavior. What changes have you made to the apt config? |
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| 20:38.35 | Azrael_- | greycat: thanks for answering, output coming up :) |
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| 20:45.32 | Azrael_- | here is the output, hope this is enough for you: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/922d8d34/ |
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| 20:45.43 | Azrael_- | if you need something else, feel free to ask |
| 20:47.58 | Azrael_- | seems like there are now also some valid upgrades but i don't know how i could separate them from the wrong ones beside temporarily disabling the backport-source |
| 20:48.13 | greycat | Which package do you believe it is trying to update from bpo that it should't? |
| 20:48.26 | greycat | All I see are normal jessie 8.8 updates. |
| 20:48.31 | Azrael_- | irqbalance libsystemd0 libudev1 linux-libc-dev systemd systemd-sysv udev |
| 20:48.54 | Azrael_- | or am i wrong here? |
| 20:49.05 | johnkeates | no, you are Azrael_- here |
| 20:49.16 | greycat | For irqbalance, you see the installation candidate 1.0.6-3+deb8u1 *not* 1.1.0-2~bpo8+1 |
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| 20:50.09 | greycat | The same is true for the others. None of them have bpo in the candidate version. |
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| 20:50.31 | Azrael_- | omg, thank you. then i'm relieved and now learned how to read the output properly |
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| 20:52.46 | Azrael_- | sorry for the hassle, then i'll just run the upgrades. i still don't know why some packages showed up and sometimes not, but if i can just run the upgrades, i'm fine. i'll probably come with more issues soon. hope you'll be still so patient with me |
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| 20:57.47 | ausjke | i need use dh_* tools to build many packages however it's not leveraging multiple cores, anyway to set up a global flag that do -jN? |
| 20:58.24 | jhutchins_wk_ | Azrael_-: You'll be fine, Debian's pretty reliable. |
| 20:59.05 | greycat | ausjke: build multiple packages in parallel instead of trying to build ONE in parallel? |
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| 20:59.53 | greycat | Other than that, you could set PATH so that your own make is before /usr/bin/make, and your own make can be a simple wrapper script that does exec /usr/bin/make -j4 "$@" |
| 21:00.27 | greycat | Other than that, you can go run Gentoo, since this is the kind of thing I would expect Gentoo to do. |
| 21:00.37 | ausjke | greycat: thanks. will take the second approach, as the packages have dependencies that are hard to manage, thus parallel building pkgs are not safe |
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| 21:01.55 | ausjke | it looks like the dpkg-cross project is dead, hard to cross-compile on newer debians... |
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| 22:11.27 | OperatorECH | when i first set up my os I applied gufw.Can anybody recommend me an updated IDS(intrusion detection systems) |
| 22:11.31 | OperatorECH | ? |
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| 22:39.35 | petn-randall | OperatorECH: snort or suricata, though I don't recommend a NIDS for a desktop machine. |
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| 23:00.18 | neilthereildeil_ | hey guys |
| 23:00.27 | neilthereildeil_ | im tryiina unload i915, but it says its in use |
| 23:00.38 | neilthereildeil_ | X is not running and im in tty1 |
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| 23:00.56 | neilthereildeil_ | how can i force the module to unload? |
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| 23:03.47 | neilthereildeil_ | ok rmmod -f i915 worked |
| 23:03.59 | neilthereildeil_ | but how can i gracefully unload the module? |
| 23:04.24 | neilthereildeil_ | im guessing lsof wont tell me who has handles open to the driver? |
| 23:06.28 | centrx | neilthereildeil_: have you looked into modprobe -r ? |
| 23:06.44 | centrx | neilthereildeil_: lsmod will show you what other modules depend on a module |
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| 23:15.22 | neilthereildeil_ | centrx: yea i used modprobe -r |
| 23:15.31 | neilthereildeil_ | but it says module is in use |
| 23:15.39 | neilthereildeil_ | im trying to gracelly figure out who is using it |
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| 23:21.04 | petn-randall | neilthereildeil_: What does 'lsmod' say, then? |
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