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| 00:57.48 | DatMale21 | hi, i have fought with my setup all day long.. first "ops something went wrong" (GUI problem...) what so ever, i have a other problem right now: i can connect to my network, get a IP from dhcp *fine* ehm.. but i have no internet access on the device, but there are internet on the router since i am able to send this message... what should i do. also it would be difficult for me to provide you with logs, since i would have to copy them to a usb stick. |
| 00:59.10 | th0r | DatMale21, are you getting dns server addresses from the dhcp server as well? |
| 01:00.08 | DatMale21 | i made a start up script (rc.local) that would copy resolv.conf_original to resolv.conf (overwrite it with the dns server i would like to use) |
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| 01:00.38 | DatMale21 | BUT it is the same dns as there are located on the router.. so it wouldn't matter anyway :)\ |
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| 01:00.52 | somiaj | DatMale21: ping 8.8.8.8 does that return anything? what about pinging the ip of your router? What is the output of route, did your default route get setup? |
| 01:01.11 | somiaj | can you ping the ip of the interface dhcp gave it |
| 01:01.41 | DatMale21 | ping duckduckgo.com > ping: unknown host duckduckgo.com, ping 8.8.8.8 > connect: Network is unreachable |
| 01:01.56 | DatMale21 | ping 192.168.0.1 works |
| 01:02.06 | DatMale21 | so do the ip it gave me |
| 01:02.44 | DatMale21 | is network manager to blame? |
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| 01:04.36 | DatMale21 | gateway huh? |
| 01:05.11 | theluckymike | try traceroute |
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| 01:06.23 | DatMale21 | how do i find gateway on this device by using the terminal? |
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| 01:06.53 | theluckymike | did you tell us what device you are talking about ? |
| 01:06.54 | theluckymike | ip r |
| 01:07.00 | theluckymike | or route -n |
| 01:07.13 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. Does anyone know where the current configuration file layout for Apache came from? Did Debian developers decide to do it that way, or was it from somewhere else? |
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| 01:07.35 | DatMale21 | gateway should be 192.168.0.1 by normal right? |
| 01:07.45 | theluckymike | there is no normal, it can be anything |
| 01:08.07 | theluckymike | but deftaults tend to be 192.168.0.1 or 1.1 pr 254, etc |
| 01:08.08 | theluckymike | or * |
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| 01:08.12 | DatMale21 | ..... it should be the same as http://192.168.0.1 right? |
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| 01:08.50 | DatMale21 | BINGO |
| 01:09.04 | DatMale21 | somiaj ^ :* |
| 01:09.21 | DatMale21 | route add default gw 192.168.0.1 (in my example) |
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| 01:10.03 | Lady_Aleena | I would like to know where to go to verify I have my Apache configuration files set up correctly. I just don't know where to go where people there will actually give rewrites instead of sending me to an overly technical explanation somewhere. |
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| 01:17.50 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: it is a combination between apache/httpd's upstream config and debian additions. I think apache ships with a default config, so any changes to it by debian are most likely in debian patches you could see in the soruce package. changelog is also useful to check. |
| 01:18.16 | DatMale21 | guys i where told that every thing in debian was free( as in freedom), hmm.. how come that there is a line of text that says something about CopyRights, All Rights Reserved. +_+ ? |
| 01:18.31 | somiaj | !dfsg |
| 01:18.31 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 01:18.44 | DatMale21 | but.. ehm |
| 01:18.53 | somiaj | DatMale21: copyrights are okay, provided one is free to do thigns that meet the DFSG. |
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| 01:19.41 | somiaj | you can read that for what freedoms are given for packages in main. Also where are you ssing these copyrights and all rights reserved? |
| 01:19.47 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I just wish there were a way to make sure I have apache set up as it should be. I've been poking and hoping every step of the way. |
| 01:20.38 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: The debian defaults should be a sane place to start. |
| 01:21.45 | Lady_Aleena | For example, to get browsers to see my local perl libs, I added SetEnv PERL5LIB /home/me/perl5/lib/perl5 directly to apache2.conf. I don't know if that is where it belongs or not. |
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| 01:22.39 | DatMale21 | Why is it called copyright, i alway thought copyright had something to do with the fact that you may not modify or distribute it because, ehm COPYRIGHTS.. isn't the meaning of FREEdom something to do with the fact that you are free to do with it as you want? including modify and or distribute it |
| 01:22.49 | DatMale21 | or am i just a dumb retard |
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| 01:23.27 | Lady_Aleena | I have a feeling it doesn't belong there, because if there were a system with lots of users each with their own local libs, apache2.conf would be loaded with SetEnv PERL5LIB lines. And how would apache know which local libs go with which user? |
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| 01:24.21 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: that is fine, for the most part it depends on how you want to originize your configs. |
| 01:24.55 | Lady_Aleena | And how does one set up multiple users which their localhost? |
| 01:25.04 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: Some things the order in which it is read in the config chain (first apache2.conf then all of the other configs for moudles and domains) you just need to ensure it is in order or in the correct group. |
| 01:25.26 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: you mean virtual domains, so like foo1.com and foo2.com would have different roots for the html files? |
| 01:25.39 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: or do you mean enable the public_html directories, so users can be in domain.com/~username |
| 01:25.55 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, like users foo, bar, baz, qux, etcetera. |
| 01:25.59 | somiaj | DatMale21: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_copyright -- copyright law is used to enforce the terms of the 'free' license. |
| 01:26.18 | DatMale21 | btw while i am here, how do i get some graphic card drivers installed that are 100% free such as bumblebee.. when i type apt install bumblebee primus it do noooooot do anything else then display two lines of text that says that it was unable to locate packages |
| 01:26.26 | uxfi | hi good friends |
| 01:26.28 | somiaj | DatMale21: some consider the gru (I think copyleft is a term) to restrivitve and have a more free license, like the triditional bsd one. |
| 01:26.51 | somiaj | DatMale21: bumblebee and primus will need the non-free drivers most likely. |
| 01:27.24 | somiaj | DatMale21: so if you need to use those for optimus technology, the free nouveau drivers just wno't be able to do that. |
| 01:27.28 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, however, DatMale21's problem looks more urgent than this. |
| 01:27.54 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: more than one conversation can go on. |
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| 01:28.17 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I don't want to overload you. |
| 01:28.29 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: but giving users public_html directories located at domain.com/~username is a fairly easy thing to setup in apache, it might be setup already, or you just have to uncomment to config. |
| 01:28.58 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: virtual domains aren't to difficult either, you just have to basically configure each one with about 5-10 lines each (for a simple case) |
| 01:29.00 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, right now I have /home/me/Documents/fantasy as the directory for localhost. |
| 01:29.14 | DatMale21 | Lady_Aleene what |
| 01:29.43 | uxfi | ho DatMale21 |
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| 01:30.40 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: and what you would like? |
| 01:31.22 | Lady_Aleena | Here is my /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default.conf: http://paste.debian.net/932092/ |
| 01:31.25 | DatMale21 | uxfi :S? |
| 01:32.12 | DatMale21 | u guys are cruel, one calls me ho and other calls me retard > however, DatMale21's problem looks more urgent than this. |
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| 01:33.04 | Lady_Aleena | But I added similar lines in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: http://paste.debian.net/932093/ (lines 166-170) |
| 01:33.06 | somiaj | DatMale21: if you still have a question just ask. But you won't get bumblbee or priums with purely free software I belive. |
| 01:33.35 | DatMale21 | somiaj is kind, alright.. bumblebee looks nice tho.. anyway nouveau? |
| 01:33.48 | somiaj | DatMale21: nouveau is the open driver for nvidia gpu's |
| 01:34.07 | DatMale21 | Lady_Aleena, why u so mean? :S |
| 01:34.14 | Lady_Aleena | DatMale21, huh? |
| 01:34.28 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: one is a default, one affects the VirtualHost *:80 domains, which also is any domain name |
| 01:34.38 | DatMale21 | ... and other calls me retard > however, DatMale21's problem looks more urgent than this. |
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| 01:35.14 | DatMale21 | nouveau is non-free, but that does not mean that it is closed source? |
| 01:35.24 | Lady_Aleena | DatMale21, I was giving you precedence! |
| 01:35.28 | DatMale21 | ...*is nouveau close source? |
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| 01:35.59 | Lady_Aleena | I don't have a domain name. |
| 01:36.16 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: Though in that case in this case you don't need both, and keeping them in your 000-default file is the design of the debian configs so you can add/remove sites as needed and all the info about that virtual host is stored in one spot |
| 01:36.18 | DatMale21 | by calling me a retard? :S |
| 01:37.02 | somiaj | DatMale21: you were not called that. Please drop this and stick to support. Nouveau is open (it is in main and meets the DSFG), as I said nouveau is the open driver for nvidia gpu's |
| 01:37.52 | somiaj | arg DFSG |
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| 01:39.15 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: apache like many other configs can either all be put in one large file or split into multiple files. Splitting them in multiple files has its advantage, but in this case for a single site you may use them. |
| 01:39.41 | somiaj | I mean may not use the advantages and just see multiple config files to edit. |
| 01:40.16 | somiaj | At some level it is a matter of choice of how you want to orginize these configs, for in the future you may have to find and modify them. |
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| 01:43.13 | Lady_Aleena | So, take out the <Directory /home/me/Documents/fantasy/> block out of apache2.conf since it is set up in 000-default.conf? |
| 01:44.23 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: correct, it isn't needed in both places. The only harm it would cause if you wnat to change the settings, for example I like -Indexes, I don't think changing it in apache.conf would have any affect becuse 000-default.conf is read afterwards, and would change it back. |
| 01:44.44 | somiaj | and the harm would be frustration wondering why the change didn't take affect. |
| 01:45.11 | Lady_Aleena | I have indexes in the 000-default.conf file. |
| 01:45.40 | Lady_Aleena | sighs and goes directory hopping. |
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| 01:46.00 | somiaj | correct, but if you change Indexs to -Indexes in the apache.conf file, it woudlnt' turn them off because the 000-default.conf file would be read after and turn them back on |
| 01:46.06 | DatMale21 | Lady_Aleena sorry........ :( |
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| 01:47.06 | DatMale21 | i know this might be irrelevant but.. i am using ubuntu-mate live cd on this device, (debian on the one i needed to fix) anyhow. when loading |
| 01:47.11 | DatMale21 | ..2 sec |
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| 01:47.12 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, okay. Now, should I move SetEnv PERL5LIB in 000-default too? |
| 01:47.28 | dogui | Hi, anyone running debian on thinkpad? T470s, by chance? |
| 01:48.18 | ch3353r1 | T410 here |
| 01:49.24 | dogui | I'm having trouble with my network card, the installer doesn't detect it |
| 01:49.34 | dogui | I think neither the wired nor the wireless.. is this common? |
| 01:50.01 | DatMale21 | this site.. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/precedence |
| 01:50.01 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: Your choice. In this case it matters if you want that to only affect your main (and only) virtual host or the whole server. If you what I would do, most likely leave it in apache.conf. |
| 01:50.07 | DatMale21 | must tell ubuntu-mate |
| 01:50.14 | Lady_Aleena | Well, taking those lines out of apache2.conf just killed my localhost. |
| 01:50.36 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: do you have 000-default.conf linked in sites-enabled? |
| 01:50.48 | Lady_Aleena | Unless there is something else I need in 000-default. |
| 01:51.05 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, yes |
| 01:51.32 | Lady_Aleena | I just refreshed http://localhost and it wanted to download the file instead of display it in the browser. |
| 01:51.51 | Lady_Aleena | It looks like 000-defailt.conf has been doing nothing this entire time. |
| 01:52.23 | somiaj | I'd have to install apache to see it, don't have it installed at the moment. |
| 01:53.14 | somiaj | hmm, I'm surprised it did that. |
| 01:53.17 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, well, I don't know what to do now other than add the lines back into apache2.conf. |
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| 01:53.55 | Lady_Aleena | Unless the addy I'm supposed to use in the browser isn't http://localhost |
| 01:55.36 | somiaj | that should be fine. Let me fire up a vm and test something. |
| 01:56.08 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, okay. |
| 01:57.59 | somiaj | can you check /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 01:58.02 | awal1 | theluckymike, I confess I am not fmiliar with "ip", I usually use netstat or route, but I don't see "r"option in ip man. |
| 01:58.20 | somiaj | ip allows you to shorten things |
| 01:58.24 | awal1 | well, it works, just wondering why I don't see it in man |
| 01:58.40 | somiaj | so if you wanted the address, you can type ip address, ip addr, ip a, ip ad, ip addre |
| 01:58.49 | somiaj | so if you want to do ip route, ip r, i rou |
| 01:58.59 | somiaj | and the manpage says what ip route does |
| 01:59.45 | Lady_Aleena | http://termbin.com/sxto |
| 01:59.55 | DatMale21 | is debian shipped with firefox, and if i would strongly suggest you to exchange it with icecat in next release.. firefox do NOT respect their users privacy, by making HEALTH REPORT/CRASH REPORT enabled by default when installed, also they use google as search engine as default, and even when you change it to duckduckgo, your startup page will still be google search modified to not look like google.,... reeeeee... |
| 02:00.10 | awal1 | ok, I go it, I don't knew about that shorting . ok, thanks somiaj |
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| 02:01.02 | DatMale21 | icecat is a super browser, i think its the best one i have ever seen actually.. its gnu, its respected by fsf |
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| 02:02.55 | somiaj | DatMale21: debian is no longer in the game of unbranding firefox, but debian still builds firefox differentlly than mozilla. If you think a feature debian builds firefox with doens't meet the DFSG file a bug. |
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| 02:03.14 | somiaj | DatMale21: icecat isn't in debian, though one could build it themselves if one really wanted. |
| 02:03.41 | somiaj | DatMale21: but not all features shipped with the offical binary are enabled in debian's package. |
| 02:04.06 | DatMale21 | i really want (YOU) to bring it to life in the next release <3 |
| 02:04.17 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, the last line tells me nothing, did it tell you something? http://termbin.com/sxto |
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| 02:05.02 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: what error do you get when trying to connect that way? |
| 02:05.14 | DatMale21 | wew.. NOUVEAU COMES WITH DRM :S is there any other drivers i could use, perhaps vesa??? |
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| 02:05.46 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I don't get an error, I just get a pop-up in my browser asking if I want to download the file. |
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| 02:08.19 | awal1 | DatMale21, I always have a custom config for firefox (ex-iceweasel), but I think you are wrong about 'health report', it is not enabled by default |
| 02:08.24 | Lady_Aleena | It looks like 000-default is either not being read, or I have it misconfigured. |
| 02:08.37 | awal1 | I think it is not even present as an option in settings |
| 02:09.20 | awal1 | not sure about crash report. |
| 02:11.41 | ch3353r1 | @doggui is it a firmware message? If so skip it, say no and check if it doesn't work anyhow. Did it for me. |
| 02:11.45 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: hmm, means apache is confused and not running the scripts. |
| 02:11.59 | DatMale21 | well, alright (it is on windows, ubuntu-mate and any other system i have installed it on, long time since i used debian so i can't really tell whats it has enabled or not, i just assumed that it had since any other.....) it still has some reports enabled by default, and it sends sensitive data to the developers, who does god know with it .... |
| 02:12.22 | themill | DatMale21: is there a problem with having a Direct Rendering Manager so that you can do fast rendering? |
| 02:12.57 | DatMale21 | as long as its OPENSOURCE do not have DRM and do not send any info, its alright |
| 02:13.19 | somiaj | DatMale21: did you read the DFSG I linked you? |
| 02:13.32 | DatMale21 | i was to busy, i will do it now sir |
| 02:14.50 | somiaj | DatMale21: software in debian adhears to that policy. It is a bug and should be filed if software in main doesn't meet the DFSG. Debian use to distribute iceweasel instead of firefox until recentlly. |
| 02:15.33 | DatMale21 | did debian got sold out? |
| 02:15.40 | somiaj | DatMale21: Debian isn't endorsed by the fsf though due to we also provide contrib and non-free repos (sepearted from main). |
| 02:15.47 | somiaj | DatMale21: no debian did not get sold out. |
| 02:16.07 | DatMale21 | why move to firefox then... |
| 02:17.02 | somiaj | !firefox |
| 02:17.02 | dpkg | From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages are now available for both jessie and sid; Firefox in Debian <stable> follows the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For the latest versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>. |
| 02:17.05 | awal1 | I just checked firefox setting. in data choice section effectively health report and crash report are present but disabled by default. firefox asks the user about them at first run (ask if he want to enable/disable) |
| 02:17.50 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, do I need to set up a server name in 000-default? |
| 02:18.47 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: it is fine to set it there. |
| 02:19.05 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: did you figure out why it wouldn't run your scripts, or did you just move everything back to apache2.conf |
| 02:19.06 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, can I take localhost, or does it go to somewhere else? |
| 02:19.16 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I haven't put it back yet. |
| 02:19.17 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: localhost works just fine. |
| 02:19.53 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: in terms of options and permsisions those directory lines can go anywhere, I'm unsure why apache is no longer running the perl scripts though. |
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| 02:20.41 | Lady_Aleena | Nope, still doesn't open with the directory only being in 000-default. |
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| 02:21.26 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: in this case I would just return 000-default back to the minimial settings and put all your configs in apache2.conf |
| 02:21.31 | Lady_Aleena | I have a feeling it is the <VirtualHost *:80> tag. |
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| 02:21.46 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: all that means is those settings apply to any domain name. |
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| 02:24.01 | DatMale21 | Lady_Aleena: it asks its user, but with very small text, almost not noticeable.. |
| 02:24.02 | Lady_Aleena | How do I paste mulitple lines of text? |
| 02:24.26 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: from what? |
| 02:24.49 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, geany. |
| 02:25.12 | Lady_Aleena | Or Firefox. |
| 02:25.41 | Lady_Aleena | I did alt-v, but it pasted my lines in front of other lines, it did not move lines down. |
| 02:25.57 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: X uses two differetn clip boards, usually select, then middle mouse click will paste. Though many apps accept ctrl-v, ctrl-c commands (which is a different clipboard) |
| 02:26.07 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: what are you pasting into? |
| 02:26.28 | Lady_Aleena | nano |
| 02:26.32 | DatMale21 | is there any drivers out there that does not have DRM, is open source, and can be used to drive nvidia chips/graphic cards? |
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| 02:26.55 | somiaj | DatMale21: I have answered this multiple times. nouveau. |
| 02:27.08 | DatMale21 | but.. ehm.. it says that it uses drm |
| 02:27.27 | somiaj | the card itself as drm on it. |
| 02:27.37 | Lady_Aleena | I'm going to have to retype all of this the long way. |
| 02:28.07 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: depending on the terminal, newline characters are sometimes not nicely coppied. |
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| 02:28.50 | DatMale21 | can i disable it anyhow? |
| 02:28.55 | awal1 | DatMale21, people caring about ther privacy/security usually have custom config for everything , so that pop-up bar in bottom of firefox window is enough for them I guess. regular users is another story, they don't really care about all what you are talkng about. those feature also can help mozilla and the developement of firefox. I personally find debian choice, disable and ask the end user, correct :P |
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| 02:30.15 | DatMale21 | i did not. understand. this I personally find debian choice, disable and ask the end user, correct :P |
| 02:30.57 | Lady_Aleena | Yep, 000-default.conf does absolutely nothing. |
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| 02:32.10 | awal1 | DatMale21, if I was an architect I will have to chose between using windows somehow + autocad or do another job and don't use windows+autocad. that will be a hard choice :P |
| 02:33.14 | DatMale21 | what can't iceweasel/icecat not do that firefox can :D |
| 02:33.53 | Lady_Aleena | And that means I can't set up any other directories on my computer to run like localhost. |
| 02:34.11 | DatMale21 | should i follow this guide on how to install nouveau? it does not make it clear how to do so.. it mostly talks about nvidia.. https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 02:34.36 | somiaj | nouveau will be the default driver used if you have a nvidia card. You may not have to do anything |
| 02:35.09 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: it does something. It was working for the most part, the issue was something with running the perl script. |
| 02:35.31 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: but for a single server case it does very little and is not needed |
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| 02:35.42 | awal1 | DatMale21, completely free is a nice conviction/ideal, but not always possible. I personally find debian choice very correct and wise. many people need non-free stuff for personal reasons, work, hardware... I'm just talking general, firefox is a detail |
| 02:35.45 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I put the directory information back into apache2.conf, and all is well. |
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| 02:36.24 | Lady_Aleena | But that means 000-default.conf is doing nothing for me. |
| 02:36.28 | DatMale21 | well.. do i need nouveau to display graphic user interface GUI? |
| 02:36.34 | awal1 | there you have one of the meanings of " debian universal" |
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| 02:36.52 | Lady_Aleena | And that means I will not be able to set up another directory to be something like localhost2. |
| 02:37.04 | awal1 | universal operating system :) |
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| 02:37.09 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: yea, I would just keep it there as the minial file it came with in default, and just put your configs in apache2.conf. |
| 02:37.23 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: oh you will be able to, you can have the settings in both places. |
| 02:38.05 | somiaj | DatMale21: there is vesa, but that would be slow. nouveau is the suggested driver for nvidia cards and in debian main. |
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| 02:38.15 | somiaj | DatMale21: which means it should meet the dfsg if you trust debian. |
| 02:38.27 | viscera | Is it dh that applies the patches to this package? https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-libvirt/libvirt.git/tree/debian/rules#n145 |
| 02:38.42 | somiaj | and by default it will be running on nvidia cards (newer cards may need the driver/kernel from jessie-backports though) |
| 02:38.46 | DatMale21 | ALRIGHT THEN! WILL TRY! well,.., ehm.. ok |
| 02:38.54 | viscera | i.e. I see a bunch of patches -- https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-libvirt/libvirt.git/tree/debian/patches -- but nowhere in debian/rules are they manually applied |
| 02:39.04 | DatMale21 | so follow this guide and i will end up with nouveau? https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 02:39.43 | somiaj | DatMale21: What about 'by default it should be using nouveau' didn't you get? |
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| 02:40.52 | somiaj | viscera: the rules only contains overrides to the dh_foo commands that are run. quilt applies the packages in there, not exactly sure which part though. |
| 02:40.56 | DatMale21 | oh sorry ok |
| 02:41.26 | viscera | somiaj: as in dh calls quilt? |
| 02:42.07 | somiaj | viscera: dh applies the patches, and depending on configurtion I think passes this off to quilt. I dont' think all packages use quilt though, there is a setting somewhere in debian/ for this. |
| 02:42.09 | DatMale21 | oh my.. lspci -nn | grep VGA tells me Intel Corporation Device |
| 02:42.52 | somiaj | DatMale21: optimus is a different story. I am unsure if that is possible without the non-free drivers. |
| 02:43.34 | hanasaki | somiaj: |
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| 02:46.31 | somiaj | viscera: dh_quilt_patch and dh_quilt_unpatch |
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| 02:46.38 | hanasaki | somiaj: squid. I think from the config its just http since httpS cannot be proxied without the bump ssl.... right? the firewall is doing NAT right now so I suspect that https is just being NATed??? The firewall is just doing -t nat -i eth0 -A PREROUTING -p TCP --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 with SQUID doing http_port 3128 transparent |
| 02:47.30 | somiaj | hanasaki: I've lost track of your issue, but my vague recoletion was you mentioned something about logging in and made me think of issues with an ssl proxy. |
| 02:47.43 | somiaj | I don't really know proxys that well so unsure how much help I can be. |
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| 02:48.33 | hanasaki | somiaj: squid as http proxy transparent cannot login to webpage... as http not transparent .. can login |
| 02:49.02 | hanasaki | I don't think squid in deb 7 or 8 is complied to allow httpS or SSL bump.. right? |
| 02:49.04 | somiaj | hanasaki: have you tried a squid channel? |
| 02:49.14 | somiaj | that may be the case |
| 02:49.16 | somiaj | ,v squid |
| 02:49.18 | hanasaki | yes... its crickets in there |
| 02:49.38 | allan_wind | Should I use the long or short lived branch of the nvidia driver? |
| 02:49.56 | judd | Package: squid on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.7.STABLE9-4.1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.7.STABLE9-4.1+deb7u2; stretch: 3.5.23-3; sid: 3.5.23-3 |
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| 02:50.33 | somiaj | allan_wind: What do you mean by those two branches? |
| 02:51.13 | allan_wind | somiaj: nvidia offers two latest branches of their binary graphics drivers, I know it's only sorta related to debian, currently 375.66 and 381.22 |
| 02:51.26 | somiaj | allan_wind: you want to install neither |
| 02:51.34 | somiaj | allan_wind: you the nvidia driver provided by debian. |
| 02:51.51 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 02:51.52 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.39-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.39-1; sid/non-free: 375.39-1 |
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| 02:52.04 | somiaj | 375.39 is what you can get in jessie-backports. |
| 02:52.12 | allan_wind | k, answered my q, thx |
| 02:52.19 | somiaj | though if the 340.102 works, you can use that too |
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| 02:54.14 | viscera | somiaj: but if debian/rules doesn't call dh_quilt_* or patching it manually using patch(1) then the patches are present but not applied, right? |
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| 02:54.42 | viscera | checks for patch setting |
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| 02:54.58 | somiaj | viscera: they should be applied during the build process. I cannot find the exact point, but you should see this in the build log |
| 02:55.08 | viscera | somiaj: ok thanks |
| 02:55.31 | Lady_Aleena | Does anyone know how to get to all the names I used when setting up debian? |
| 02:56.42 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: /etc/hosts is where the domain name is, and /etc/hostname is where your hostname is stored |
| 02:56.45 | Lady_Aleena | I can't remember what the part after @ is at the command prompt. me@office. |
| 02:57.39 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, there is another name which popped up in /etc/hosts called rchome.office . I'm not sure where rchome came from. |
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| 02:58.40 | DatMale21 | thank you so much somiaj, i would really like to buy you a coffee, do you have a BTC wallet? |
| 02:59.04 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: myabe a typo, remove it if you don't want it, seems more like home.office |
| 02:59.23 | DatMale21 | ..you are so active, and helps a lot of people (i can see) you are friendly even when people are not giving you a reason to be |
| 02:59.26 | DatMale21 | i like you |
| 02:59.40 | somiaj | DatMale21: donat to debian if you want to donate. |
| 02:59.49 | DatMale21 | i want to donate to you |
| 03:00.05 | DatMale21 | how much is a coffee? |
| 03:00.06 | somiaj | I won't accept it, nore am setup to. |
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| 03:00.33 | DatMale21 | "nore am setup to." +_+????||||(*** |
| 03:00.58 | DatMale21 | what..? |
| 03:01.06 | uxfi | DatMale21; I think he means ... he's ok |
| 03:02.22 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, rchome appears in /etc/mailname, /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf, and /etc/hosts |
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| 03:03.29 | DatMale21 | what the freak does nore am setup to. means??? |
| 03:04.43 | somiaj | DatMale21: no BTC wallet or other types of accounts. But this is off-topic, prefer to stick to talking about debian. |
| 03:05.47 | DatMale21 | this will bug me till i forget, what does nore means and what do you mean by setup/./ |
| 03:06.18 | viscera | Is pbuilder still the gold standard for building source packages in a clean environment, for correct build/run deps? |
| 03:06.29 | uxfi | where are you from DatMale21 ? |
| 03:06.30 | viscera | (or was it ever?) |
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| 03:07.10 | DatMale21 | a location where i have never heard nore before, nor have but not nore and do not know bout setup what does it mean pls |
| 03:07.23 | somiaj | DatMale21: or am I set up to. might be clearer. I tend to make up words as the night goes on. |
| 03:07.31 | uxfi | huh/ |
| 03:07.37 | uxfi | ? |
| 03:07.47 | uxfi | I have never heard nore before? |
| 03:07.52 | uxfi | lol |
| 03:08.07 | somiaj | anyways, lets try to stay on topic. |
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| 03:09.17 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: did you grep /etc? That is probably more efficent than seeing if someone recalls all configs with the default domain name. |
| 03:10.48 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I did. |
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| 03:12.14 | DatMale21 | thanks for the help! i will consider donating a cup of coffee worth of bitcoins if debian donation accept bitcoins |
| 03:12.28 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, here is where grep found it: http://paste.debian.net/932098/ (lines 3, 10, and 31) |
| 03:12.41 | DatMale21 | bye bye :D |
| 03:13.04 | somiaj | viscera: Just noticed that the dh_quilt commands might not be used much, This is not needed if you use the new 3.0 (quilt) source package format., quilt maybe more part of the standard build process now (though unsure on details) |
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| 03:21.05 | viscera | somiaj: yes, debian/source/format says "3.0 (quilt)" |
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| 03:22.30 | Lady_Aleena | Can I change the default domain name? |
| 03:23.00 | viscera | somiaj: ah, debian/patches/series determines which debian/patches to apply |
| 03:23.46 | viscera | "All patches listed in debian/patches/debian.series or debian/patches/series are then applied. If the former file is used and the latter one doesn't exist (or is a symlink), then the latter is replaced with a symlink to the former. This is meant to simplify usage of quilt to manage the set of patches. The patches can remove files." |
| 03:24.56 | viscera | Wow, Debian documentation got better |
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| 03:25.25 | ChmEarl | viscera, `dh binary-arch --no-act` will dry run your debian/rules, if there is a syntax error in rules it will choke |
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| 03:25.45 | viscera | ChmEarl: am I supposed to call that directly? |
| 03:25.50 | viscera | i.e. from my interactive shell |
| 03:26.10 | Lady_Aleena | Oh no! Did I somehow screw something up? /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf is now /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
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| 03:28.32 | Lady_Aleena | I think. |
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| 03:39.52 | Guest98393 | i tried but failed each time to get my nvidia driver installed, so im just lunix mint in the meantime |
| 03:43.17 | Lady_Aleena | What would happen if exim4 were misconfigured? |
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| 03:47.50 | TomG2 | exim wouldn't work, but the rest of your computer would be fine |
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| 03:51.11 | uxfi | TomG2; exim? I havent used that |
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| 03:54.56 | TomG2 | hi uxfi, i was just talking to Lady_Aleena about exim |
| 03:55.03 | TomG2 | it's okay if you haven't used it :) |
| 03:55.32 | uxfi | ah |
| 03:55.47 | uxfi | I'm using something similar to that TomG2 |
| 03:55.50 | Lady_Aleena | What is exim? |
| 03:56.04 | uxfi | for mail |
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| 03:58.01 | TomG2 | it's an e-mail server, assuming you're being genuine |
| 03:58.13 | uxfi | yep |
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| 03:59.25 | Lady_Aleena | TomG2, I am. I was trying to figure out where a variable was set to 'rchome'. It appears in /etc/hosts/, /etc/mailname, and /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 04:00.10 | Lady_Aleena | I don't know what set up /etc/hosts and /etc/mailname. |
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| 04:04.02 | TomG2 | Lady_Aleena, *you* set up those files |
| 04:04.15 | TomG2 | i mean, you are able to |
| 04:04.33 | TomG2 | you can go ahead and edit them with your favourite text editor right now, and run /etc/init.d/hostname start |
| 04:04.38 | TomG2 | service hostname start |
| 04:04.43 | Lady_Aleena | TomG2, okay, the question is then, when did I set up those files? |
| 04:04.55 | TomG2 | sorry it's hostname.sh start |
| 04:05.03 | TomG2 | they would have been set up in the Debian install |
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| 04:08.25 | Lady_Aleena | So, alter those 3 files, run sudo service hostname.sh start, and done? |
| 04:09.24 | Lady_Aleena | Going to do it now. |
| 04:09.38 | Lady_Aleena | hopes this works. |
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| 04:11.04 | Lady_Aleena | feels off altering /etc files too much. |
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| 04:11.57 | Lady_Aleena | sudo service hostname.sh start returned: Failed to start hostname.service: Unit hostname.service is masked. |
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| 04:14.01 | TomG2 | i don't know what that means |
| 04:14.09 | Lady_Aleena | Me neither. |
| 04:14.18 | TomG2 | it's a systemd thing |
| 04:14.38 | TomG2 | i can suggest burning SystemD in a fire |
| 04:15.02 | TomG2 | you can try running /etc/init.d/hostname.sh yourself |
| 04:15.14 | TomG2 | if it's still there |
| 04:15.41 | somiaj | masked means the service points to /dev/null (a strong form of disabled) |
| 04:16.00 | somiaj | this prevents sockets or other ways of activing it. Sounds like the service just isn't being used. |
| 04:16.31 | somiaj | it is masked here too. |
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| 04:17.55 | Lady_Aleena | So is it pointless? |
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| 04:18.21 | somiaj | looks like you can run it manulaly, /etc/init.d/hostname.sh |
| 04:18.47 | somiaj | looks like systemd has a hostnamectl command that is probably better to use though |
| 04:19.02 | TomG2 | you can always read hostname.sh and just run it yourself |
| 04:19.21 | TomG2 | i'm not sure about the .conf.conf file, i don't think it's used |
| 04:19.35 | somiaj | hostnamectl set-hostname `cat /etc/hostname` may work. |
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| 04:20.41 | TomG2 | wow |
| 04:21.11 | TomG2 | i don't know if i'm allowed to say this here, but it's in keeping with the FOSS spirit, systemd is pretty disappointing |
| 04:23.18 | Lady_Aleena | How many .*ctl programs are there? |
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| 04:23.39 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: more and more. |
| 04:24.03 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I just tried to do a package search on it. |
| 04:24.27 | somiaj | these are binaires that are part of systemd |
| 04:24.37 | somiaj | so you have to look in packages, maybe aptfile could do that |
| 04:24.41 | somiaj | apt-file I mean |
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| 04:25.34 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, maybe later...thanks! |
| 04:26.00 | viscera | Running Stretch as a QEMU/KVM guest. THe recent xserver-xorg-legacy package seems to have broken the "auto resize VM with window" feature. |
| 04:26.02 | TomG2 | there's Contents-amd64.gz on every mirror you can use zgrep on |
| 04:26.16 | viscera | QXL graphics. If I rollback to before that package, it's fine... |
| 04:26.24 | viscera | Anyone getting this? |
| 04:27.10 | somiaj | viscera: I haven't noticed, but you should look for or file a regression bug |
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| 04:53.26 | jantwisted | hi all, I'm having an issue, when I login from user A, I get the desktop but after a few seconds, I get back the login screen. when I login from B, it works fine. what can be the issue here ? |
| 04:54.31 | somiaj | sounds like some config in the users home dir, unsure what it could be. You could wipe most the configs and let them be regenrated |
| 04:56.29 | jantwisted | I haven't done any configuration changes since the last login |
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| 05:35.16 | viscera | somiaj: for some reason, spice-vdagentd.service wasn't starting on boot despite being enabled. A simple start of the service and a reboot solved it. |
| 05:35.40 | viscera | somiaj: the strange thing is, without the manual start, a reboot didn't start it. It may be somehow the hypervisor at fault. |
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| 05:48.51 | somiaj | viscera: the client which is most likely what you want is brought up via an autostart scripts using the xdg standards. If your wm/de doesn't support those, it won't auto start it |
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| 05:53.00 | viscera | somiaj: it was the daemon that was not starting, not the client |
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| 06:39.56 | Boney | When I use aptitude to install something, dependecies are marked as automatically installed. Has this now been added to apt-get? |
| 06:41.13 | Hoolootwo | almost certainly |
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| 06:44.21 | Boney | Hoolootwo: cheers. |
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| 06:54.58 | ryzokuken | Does the nvidia-driver package even work? |
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| 06:55.18 | ryzokuken | Using it for the second time, and broke my installation for the second time |
| 06:55.26 | ryzokuken | I have an optimus machine |
| 06:55.43 | ryzokuken | Someone please help me rescue my system. |
| 06:55.47 | Hoolootwo | optimus is, from what I've heard, weird |
| 06:56.09 | Hoolootwo | I never needed to use it, so I can't help too much I'm afraid |
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| 06:57.08 | ryzokuken | I just installed the package and restarted |
| 06:58.12 | ryzokuken | And there was an irrecoverable error |
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| 07:07.00 | ryzokuken | I removed nvidia-driver somehow. |
| 07:07.13 | ryzokuken | How do I reenable Nouveau? |
| 07:07.20 | ryzokuken | Please help. |
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| 07:08.18 | towo^work | on optimus the default graphics is intel |
| 07:08.30 | towo^work | that's why installing nvidia-driver can't work |
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| 07:08.35 | towo^work | you need bumblebee |
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| 07:21.50 | cronic | Hey, is there any other place in Wheezy for storing information about NICs? ifconfig show an eth:100.. i would like to deactivate that interface, but its not in ifdown or /etc/network/interfaces.. any hints? :x |
| 07:22.53 | jolt | cronic: Well, you can always do ifconfig ethX down |
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| 07:24.17 | cronic | jolt: but theres no other way to start/config those interfaces as in the interfaces config? |
| 07:24.57 | TomG2 | are you using network-manager? |
| 07:25.00 | TomG2 | most likely right? |
| 07:25.51 | cronic | Nope, server installation. There is a eth:xxx that is respawning with a random ip after stopping it .. |
| 07:25.53 | jolt | cronic: Well, depends on how you are running your system. There are other interfaces, like TomG2 pointed out. I was thinking about via cli |
| 07:26.25 | jolt | cronic: You would typically manually add your interfaces to /etc/network/interfaces. But there is nothing stopping you from doing it via crontab or whatever |
| 07:26.55 | jolt | cronic: grep -r "100" in /etc/ and see if there is something in there |
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| 07:33.48 | cronic | jolt: no hits.. but i think i found something.. in the orig. config file theres a eth0:600, but in ifconfig (after stopping the first :100) it shows up as eth0:100 (this time with the correct ip).. nvm. thanks for helping :) |
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| 07:40.24 | ryzokuken | towo^work: as of now, I cannot even log into the computer |
| 07:40.42 | ryzokuken | How do I restore my earlier configuration? |
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| 07:40.52 | ryzokuken | Then I can think about bumblebee |
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| 07:53.19 | towo^work | ryzokuken, have you created any kind of xorg.conf? |
| 07:53.55 | towo^work | ryzokuken, any blacklist for i915 or nouveau in /etc/modprobe.d/foo.conf? |
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| 07:54.27 | ryzokuken | towo^work: I'll check it out. |
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| 08:06.32 | ryzokuken | towo^work: Nouveau was blacklisted in modprobe |
| 08:06.41 | ryzokuken | Hopefully, now it'll work. |
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| 08:07.47 | ryzokuken | It's still getting stuck |
| 08:07.59 | ryzokuken | Although Nouveau is now loading |
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| 08:09.23 | ryzokuken | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/pa5AXdtS/irccloudcapture2050687991.jpg |
| 08:09.33 | ryzokuken | This is where it's getting stuck. |
| 08:09.56 | ryzokuken | towo^work: could you take a look at the picture? |
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| 08:13.41 | towo^work | ryzokuken, post the Xorg.0.log |
| 08:14.42 | towo^work | ryzokuken, and again, nouveau doesn't matter, since your system has to load the intel module, because intel is the only device, which is connected to any display in optimus |
| 08:14.51 | towo^work | if it is a real muxless optimus |
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| 08:18.04 | pierre365 | hi! |
| 08:18.11 | pierre365 | I'm a tad confused with libraries... running some binary gives me a simple lookup error but when i do nm on the library i can find the symbol.. https://pastebin.com/qLagcAMu would someone has an idea please? |
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| 08:21.39 | ryzokuken | towo^work: just a second |
| 08:21.49 | ryzokuken | It's difficult to pastebin on CLI |
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| 08:22.12 | pierre365 | ryzokuken: transfer.sh |
| 08:22.25 | towo^work | ryzokuken, is not if you use pastebinit |
| 08:22.53 | ryzokuken | Yeah just downloaded it |
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| 08:27.04 | ryzokuken | Debian.net's certificate fails. |
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| 08:30.41 | ryzokuken | Finally, http://slexy.org/view/s21wEWqfgm |
| 08:30.55 | ryzokuken | towo^work: ^ |
| 08:31.08 | ryzokuken | Please help guys, I'm running out of time. |
| 08:31.35 | towo^work | you have not complete removed the nvidia blob |
| 08:31.49 | towo^work | [ 134.555] (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 375.39 Tue Jan 31 19:37:12 PST 2017 |
| 08:31.53 | ryzokuken | Something's left? |
| 08:32.13 | towo^work | ever played with the nvidia-installer from the website? |
| 08:32.16 | ryzokuken | Can you guess which package it is, precisely? |
| 08:32.19 | ryzokuken | Nope. |
| 08:32.25 | towo^work | dpkg -l | grep nvidia shows anything? |
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| 08:32.25 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep nvidia shows anything |
| 08:32.26 | ryzokuken | Like... Not lately. |
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| 08:33.12 | ryzokuken | A few packages. |
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| 08:33.57 | towo^work | apt purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/nvidia/{ print $2 }') |
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| 08:36.15 | ryzokuken | towo^work: done. |
| 08:36.22 | ryzokuken | Now should I restart? |
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| 08:38.56 | ryzokuken | towo^work: ? |
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| 08:44.25 | towo^work | ryzokuken, sure you need to restart |
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| 08:44.43 | ryzokuken | Still stuck at same place |
| 08:44.53 | ryzokuken | Should I send newer Xorg.log? |
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| 08:46.19 | towo^work | sure |
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| 08:47.46 | ryzokuken | towo^work: http://slexy.org/view/s2oP19j6YA |
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| 08:47.51 | ryzokuken | Thanks for all the help |
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| 08:52.15 | ryzokuken | towo^work: anything? |
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| 08:59.47 | towo^work | ryzokuken, (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 375.39 Tue Jan 31 19:37:12 PST 2017 |
| 09:00.07 | towo^work | whatever you have made, you have done anything wrong |
| 09:00.26 | towo^work | as long as the blob glx module is in your system, it will not work |
| 09:01.19 | towo^work | btw, since you use stretch, aka testing, this is propably the wrong channel, normaly #debia |
| 09:01.21 | towo^work | grr |
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| 09:01.39 | towo^work | normaly #debian-next on oftc is for testing support |
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| 09:02.53 | nwe | I setup my server with preseed files, everything is working, but now I will setup so it dont take all sda to pv so only a peice of sda how should I do that? |
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| 09:05.25 | ryzokuken | towo^work: maybe I need to recompile the kernel? |
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| 09:06.33 | towo^work | for what? glx is not a kernel module |
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| 09:07.17 | towo^work | it's normaly in the package libgl1-nvidia-glx and the glx-lib from the blob should not exist anymore after purging that package |
| 09:07.34 | towo^work | it exist only, if you have used the run-installer |
| 09:07.44 | ryzokuken | I haven't |
| 09:07.57 | ryzokuken | I followed instructions from the wiki |
| 09:08.34 | towo^work | it is imposible that the blob-glx exist, after purging the correspond package |
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| 09:13.05 | ryzokuken | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22 this is what I followed |
| 09:14.43 | ryzokuken | towo^work: I only have mesa-glx |
| 09:14.51 | ryzokuken | Not nvidia-glx |
| 09:15.18 | Iridos | show more original info⦠e.g. pastebin the output of dpkg -l | |
| 09:15.22 | Iridos | er |
| 09:15.34 | towo^work | but your xlog clearly states it loads the glx-lib from the bnvidia blob |
| 09:15.36 | Iridos | output of dpkg -l '*nvidia*' |
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| 09:15.44 | nwe | how can I specify size on pv in preseed-files? |
| 09:16.27 | towo^work | ryzokuken, maybe you allways paste an old log? |
| 09:16.40 | ryzokuken | I don't think so |
| 09:16.51 | ryzokuken | Xorg.0.log is new, right? |
| 09:17.09 | ryzokuken | In /var/log? |
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| 09:20.38 | ryzokuken | towo^work: should I give ~/. local/share/log instead? |
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| 09:22.45 | jelly | ryzokuken: which one has newer timestamp? |
| 09:22.51 | towo^work | ryzokuken, if you use rootless x, the real log is in ~/. local/share/log |
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| 09:23.26 | ryzokuken | I didn't change a thing regarding xorg |
| 09:23.29 | ryzokuken | What's the default |
| 09:23.31 | ryzokuken | ? |
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| 09:24.50 | ryzokuken | towo^work: here's the one in my home http://slexy.org/view/s20dllwZd3 |
| 09:24.55 | ryzokuken | Maybe this makes sense |
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| 09:27.16 | ryzokuken | jelly: can I check timestamp using ls? |
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| 09:30.30 | towo^work | ryzokuken, have you played with the gfx-settings in your bios? |
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| 09:39.34 | ryzokuken | towo^work: jelly: the /var/log one is more recent |
| 09:39.40 | ryzokuken | towo^work: nope |
| 09:39.56 | ryzokuken | Never played with any bios settings |
| 09:40.30 | da3m0n22 | hey, why libvolk-dev ( 3.7.5-5, https://ftp.de.debian.org/debian jessie/main amd64) does not include any header files? |
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| 09:43.26 | bipul | Do we can say Intel virtualization (VT-x) is hypervisors who provide virtualization? |
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| 09:45.32 | towo^work | bipul, what? |
| 09:46.07 | towo^work | vt-x is virtualization technology, which can be used by hypervisors |
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| 09:47.00 | bipul | My question is what is VT-x? , And how it is different from hypervisor, if it differ? |
| 09:47.38 | bipul | towo^work, can you distinguish between Vt-x enable and hypervisor |
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| 09:50.18 | towo^work | bipul, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervisor |
| 09:50.38 | bipul | I have gone through that link. |
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| 09:51.43 | towo^work | then what's unclear? |
| 09:51.48 | towo^work | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_virtualization |
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| 09:54.56 | bipul | Now i got it, hypervisor uses vt-x feature to run virtualmachine :d |
| 09:55.02 | ryzokuken | towo^work: is there no way to make this work? |
| 09:55.38 | towo^work | ryzokuken, if i would that piece of hardware handy here, sure |
| 09:55.55 | towo^work | but since i do not seat in front of it, i can't say many |
| 09:56.03 | ryzokuken | :/ |
| 09:56.14 | bipul | But how it is different from docker towo^work ? |
| 09:56.21 | ryzokuken | Should I just go ahead and reinstall debian? |
| 09:56.36 | ryzokuken | And forget my hopes of using my discrete card as default? |
| 09:56.45 | ryzokuken | I faced the same issue in Arch Linux. |
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| 09:57.09 | ryzokuken | Hybrid drivers. |
| 09:57.19 | ryzokuken | I have no idea how, but Ubuntu's driver manager does this trick for me everytime. |
| 09:57.38 | ryzokuken | Maybe it's just too difficult to do it manually. |
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| 10:00.08 | rysiek|pl | hey |
| 10:00.22 | rysiek|pl | I am trying to figure out what is The Right Way to install php7 on debian jessie |
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| 10:16.10 | ihaveahugecock | Hi |
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| 10:16.46 | ihaveahugecock | where are the horny girlz? |
| 10:16.49 | ihaveahugecock | naked women |
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| 10:18.45 | ihaveahugecock | !ops i need naked women |
| 10:18.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ihaveahugecock complains about: i need naked women |
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| 10:30.48 | Lope | I've got lxc.tty = 4 in my LXC container's config file. Yet only tty0 works? When I connect to other tty's I don't get a shell. `lxc-console -n foo -t 2`. `mount` shows I have devpts /dev/console. Then I've got devpts /dev/tty1..4 also. (all with same mount options) Only `lxc-console -n foo -t 0` gives me a shell. |
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| 10:31.41 | caraconan | Hi there. I'm using Debian and Awesome WM. I have a HiDPI screen. I fixed the screen resolution with "xrandr --output eDP-1 --fbmm 290x170" but since couple of days ago something is not working as expected, and I see again too small icons and fonts. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks |
| 10:31.47 | Lope | If I type `lxc-console -n foo -t 1` I get "Connected to tty 1\nType <Ctrl+a q> to exit the console, <Ctrl+a Ctrl+a> to enter Ctrl+a itself" |
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| 10:33.16 | Lope | Pressing enter doesn't give me a shell, typing `ls` gives no response. |
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| 10:38.42 | caraconan | Nobody? |
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| 10:43.09 | mekeor | caraconan: too small icons? maybe the screen resolution is too high? or rather, maybe your GTK-fontsize is too small? |
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| 10:45.23 | caraconan | mekeor: a summary: https://paste.debian.net/932123/ Now this fix is not working any more, I suspect because GTK and/or QT changes ignoring these settings |
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| 10:45.37 | Lope | if I run screen inside my LXC container that I entered with LXC console it says "[Screen is terminating]". If I try start the screen when inside lxc-attach, it says "Must be connected to a terminal." |
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| 10:47.20 | Lope | `script /dev/null` says "script: openpty failed: No such file or directory" |
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| 10:49.46 | Lope | I found a solution. It's a bit ghetto but it works. I can run a screen session on the host, then lxc-attach a new shell in the container, then just detach from the hosts's screen session. |
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| 11:22.17 | lowin | Hello. I'm trying to install debian jessie on a armhf board. I'm confused at what initrd image I should be booting to install the system. I tried the hd-media initrd, but it asks for a .iso file and hangs because of what I'm assuming not being able to mount iso files. furthermore, I don't have a network connection available for a network install |
| 11:23.16 | lowin | What are my options here? I just want to feed the setup files through a usb flash drive like you'd do normally in a regular x86 pc |
| 11:23.37 | jelly | lowin: which board? are you sure the installer supports your SoC/board at all? |
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| 11:24.06 | jelly | lowin: #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net may be a better place to ask |
| 11:24.12 | lowin | jelly, nanopi, I'm using my own kernel and bootloader. I don't see why it shouldn't |
| 11:24.25 | lowin | alright I'll try that channel. thanks |
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| 11:25.29 | jelly | which nanopi? |
| 11:25.34 | lowin | neo |
| 11:27.17 | BanHammor | lowin, what about netinstall? |
| 11:27.47 | BanHammor | oh sorry, you covered that |
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| 11:29.08 | lowin | yup. I'll see if i can get network running for netinst |
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| 11:30.40 | BanHammor | in general initrd is not like a thing that should contain an entire repo of packages |
| 11:30.42 | BluesKaj | Howdy folks |
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| 11:37.08 | jelly | lowin: also, since it's an allwinner, #linux-sunxi and their wiki may have documentation on how to properly boot and install |
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| 11:44.20 | BanHammor | BluesKaj, it's cool. What's up? |
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| 11:46.04 | BluesKaj | hi BanHammor, not much, how about you? |
| 11:47.08 | BanHammor | i was thrown |
| 11:47.33 | BanHammor | back into hardware development and out of making a debian distribution |
| 11:48.31 | BluesKaj | bummer. ordinary user here |
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| 12:17.12 | yeehi | Is there something like DEbian launchpad? A ppa for Mozilla, for example? |
| 12:18.46 | towo^work | debian do not use PPA's at all |
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| 12:19.30 | yeehi | towo^work - if one wants the latest builds from Mozilla, what is the best way? |
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| 12:20.14 | towo^work | download them from mozilla, extract it to your home and use it from there |
| 12:20.30 | towo^work | or install the version from experimental |
| 12:21.00 | yeehi | how does one get the experimental versions if running testing towo^work ? |
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| 12:21.38 | towo^work | yeehi, if you have to ask, don't do it |
| 12:21.50 | yeehi | ok |
| 12:22.13 | gardy | so i was kicked from offtopic :D |
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| 12:24.38 | missmbob | that's not funny. same ops are in here, btw |
| 12:25.16 | colo-work | yeehi, maybe also check http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 12:25.46 | BanHammor | yeehi, technically you -can- use PPA, but it's gonna break a lot. |
| 12:25.54 | BanHammor | and i would not recommend it. |
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| 13:51.58 | plop6 | hi |
| 13:52.32 | plop6 | is there any guide to install latest amdgpu-pro under debian ? |
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| 13:53.02 | towo^work | since amdgpu-pro official only support ubuntu, i don't think so |
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| 13:54.15 | plop6 | some people tryed ? |
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| 13:57.18 | towo^work | i see no benefit for amdgpu-pro |
| 13:57.36 | towo^work | amdgpu and mesa does the job equal or better |
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| 13:58.03 | ska | Is there a tool to "lint" /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 13:58.54 | BanHammor | plop6, it's not that it's impossible, but you are basically inviting nasal demons |
| 13:59.13 | plop6 | ) |
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| 14:00.24 | plop6 | ty anyway |
| 14:00.52 | sadraid | i accidentially wrote over the superblock of a 2 drive type 0 raid. (created a new type 0 array) |
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| 14:01.44 | sadraid | im not sure how to recover (if possible) without damaging the raid further |
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| 14:06.46 | jelly | !rc bugs |
| 14:06.46 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=stretch&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
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| 14:37.30 | celyr | Hi |
| 14:37.37 | celyr | is jessie-backports considered stable ? |
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| 14:38.06 | jelly | celyr: it's stable enough to cherry-pick specific components from there if you have to |
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| 14:40.34 | celyr | jelly, so when I'll use apt-get install I'll install packages in the jessie repository, only when I'll -t jessie-backports I'll pick from there |
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| 14:40.51 | celyr | what if I want to update a package from backports ? |
| 14:41.59 | jelly | celyr: after you first install it from jessie-backports, you'll keep getting updates from there if there are any |
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| 14:43.56 | jelly | celyr: upgrading a package from jessie to jessie-backports is done using the exact same command as installing something from jessie-backports |
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| 14:44.14 | celyr | mmm |
| 14:44.21 | celyr | i tought that there was an update to bind9 |
| 14:44.31 | celyr | but it tells me that it's the same version duh |
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| 14:44.39 | jelly | ,v bind9 |
| 14:44.40 | judd | Package: bind9 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u15; wheezy-backports: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-4~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u10; jessie: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u10; stretch: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.2; sid: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3; experimental: 1:9.10.4-P5-1 |
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| 14:44.51 | jelly | there is no bind9 in jessie-backports |
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| 14:47.12 | celyr | hmm 10 is stuck in stretch |
| 14:47.14 | celyr | nvm |
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| 14:50.21 | OxOO | I have much sharper fonts on a Debian system running in virtualbox, than on the host system where virtualbox is run, which also runs Debian. The host system uses proprietary NVIDIA module and guest being in virtualbox uses VBoxVideo. Can the Xorg video driver be the cause of why the same fluxbox style has different sharpness in font showing? any idea what else it could be? |
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| 14:54.18 | celyr | OxOO, I guess it's just the AA of nvidia |
| 14:54.32 | celyr | OxOO, just go on the nvidia control panel and disable it |
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| 14:55.07 | celyr | OxOO, Your nick is evil since every programmer will try it as 0 (and yes I have a very different char of 0 and O but my brain won't get that) |
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| 15:20.46 | alekz | !etcher |
| 15:20.47 | dpkg | etcher is probably initial testing shows etcher is not a reliable way to copy debian images for installation. instead use cp or dd for linux, or win32diskimager for windows. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 15:21.38 | sh00p | "etcher is probably initial testing" |
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| 15:22.27 | jhutchins_wk | sh00p: That's just an artifact of how the bot formats factoids. |
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| 15:22.52 | jhutchins_wk | <tag> is probably <data> |
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| 15:23.05 | sh00p | ah ok jhutchins_wk |
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| 15:23.08 | sh00p | undertands |
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| 15:23.37 | jhutchins_wk | It has some variants, I think infobot also does "I guess <tag> is <data>". |
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| 15:26.46 | noqnio1 | for a wordpress webserver, should i install from repos or get latest version from the website? |
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| 15:27.52 | jhutchins_wk | noqnio1: I like to do a repo install, then upgrade it from the website. That does risk the site getting downgraded if an update from Debian is older than the WP version. |
| 15:28.16 | jhutchins_wk | noqnio1: Actually, I haven't done that since before direct upgrades became possible. |
| 15:28.31 | jhutchins_wk | noqnio1: These days I tend to get wp-cli and use that to install and maintain. |
| 15:28.59 | noqnio1 | why do you prefer that from repos? |
| 15:29.28 | noqnio1 | i was wondering cause latest is 4.7.4 and package on jessie-backports or stretch is 4.7.3, how much big of a difference could that be |
| 15:29.29 | lowin | How do I get getty not require a password? |
| 15:29.51 | noqnio1 | if such a critical security update is presented i guess it would be ported to all versions, no? |
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| 15:31.37 | greycat | lowin: set the account's password to the empty string |
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| 15:31.52 | greycat | You won't be able to ssh in, but you will be able to login on the console. |
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| 15:32.18 | lowin | greycat, well that wouldn't be much useful, since I want to have password protected sudo |
| 15:32.53 | greycat | On an account with no password? How are you planning THAT? |
| 15:33.01 | lowin | It used to be possible to change agetty parameters in /etc/inittab, is it no longer possible? |
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| 15:33.31 | greycat | They're buried in systemd unit files on jessie+, but what are you actually trying to do here? |
| 15:34.05 | lowin | greycat, simple, local serial console: no password login, remote login/sudo: password |
| 15:34.18 | greycat | Make two different accounts. |
| 15:34.27 | greycat | Give 'em the same UID, GID, home dir. |
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| 15:34.50 | greycat | And that is not "simple". Jesus. |
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| 15:35.14 | lowin | it used to be literally adding a auto login username to agetty |
| 15:35.27 | greycat | Then go ahead and do that. |
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| 15:36.46 | greycat | See e.g. /lib/systemd/system/serial-getty@.service (but I don't use serial logins so that might not be the whole picture). |
| 15:37.18 | lowin | greycat, looking into it. thanks |
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| 15:38.32 | greycat | Remember, don't edit files in /lib/systemd/system. Copy them to /etc/systemd/system/ and edit the copy, OR use a drop-in directory thingy to change individual settings. |
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| 15:47.40 | jpalmer | question, with /etc/iptables/rules.v4, is there a way to include another file? essentially, I would like rules.v4 to be the generic ruleset applied to all hosts in a datacenter. then have a "-j local_rules" populated from another file managed by ansible. |
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| 15:55.25 | jhutchins_wk | noqnio1: I used to do it that way to get the structure set up the Debian way - config files in sites-available, modules, etc. |
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| 15:56.10 | jhutchins_wk | noqnio1: These days I'm confident enough with my knowledge of Debian's setup that I can do the steps myself. |
| 15:57.11 | jhutchins_wk | noqnio1: There are security fixes from 4.7.3 to 4.7.4. |
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| 15:59.08 | jhutchins_wk | jpalmer: Ansible should be able to append the necessary local settings to the main file if include doesn't work. I suspect a man page would give you the definitive answer. |
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| 16:01.14 | jpalmer | jhutchins_wk: yeah, i've been scouring docs, haven't seen anything useful. I may just have to template out the rules.v4 and v6 files, and keep a "default" ruleset, and host specific rulesets that just get added to the template. was hoping to avoid that, for a couple (non-technical) reasons. but, if thats how I have to do it, I'm not completely opposed. |
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| 16:10.38 | Knaldgas | Any recommendations regarding webmail clients for a Stretch-Postfix-Dovecot set-up. Only to be used when "all else fails" |
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| 16:11.45 | Knaldgas | Previously use Squirrelmail, but thats no longer in Debian |
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| 16:13.30 | greycat | !webmail |
| 16:13.30 | dpkg | A webmail client is an application accessed using a web browser, for the purposes of reading, writing and sending e-mail. Webmail clients packaged for Debian include <imp>, <roundcube> and <squirrelmail>. See also <imap>, <imapproxy>, <mta>. |
| 16:14.40 | jhutchins_wk | Knaldgas: I've heard good things about roundcube. |
| 16:14.47 | jhutchins_wk | ,v squirrelmail |
| 16:14.48 | judd | Package: squirrelmail on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2; jessie: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2 |
| 16:15.54 | Knaldgas | jhutchins: I checked it out, but the SQL requirement threw me off a bit. Perhaps for no valid reason |
| 16:16.42 | Knaldgas | greycat, thank, checking out imp |
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| 16:19.00 | Knaldgas | judd: and for Stretch? ;-) |
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| 16:21.25 | jhutchins_wk | Knaldgas: Not listed implies not included. There's a "why" function but I can never get it to work. I suspect "unmaintained". |
| 16:21.39 | somiaj | best way to see why is go check out the package tracker |
| 16:22.10 | Knaldgas | I did find the reason: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=844240 |
| 16:22.11 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/844240 in squirrelmail (closed, stretch, sid): «Intent to not ship squirrelmail with stretch»; severity: serious; opened: 2016-11-13; last modified: 2017-01-31. |
| 16:22.13 | somiaj | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/squirrelmail |
| 16:22.18 | Knaldgas | :) |
| 16:23.10 | somiaj | You can sometimes dig deeper for why they decided not to package it anymore, could be no one wants to matain it or securitty issues. |
| 16:23.48 | Knaldgas | Which is why I was looking for something else, simple, with few dependencies |
| 16:24.20 | somiaj | the top of that bug report is failry clear, no php7 support. |
| 16:24.28 | somiaj | and since stretch now ships php7 |
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| 16:30.51 | no_gravity | When I plug my android phone into my laptop and open the icon from the Desktop, the location is "mtp://[usb:002,005]/". Can I acees that from the terminal somehow? |
| 16:31.17 | somiaj | there are various ways to deal with mtp protocl (all kinda poor because the protocl is poor) |
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| 16:32.06 | somiaj | how do you want to access, I used a program jmtpfs which mounted the mtp share as a file system and I could access it normally. Though it was very slow. I ended up using some of the developer tools as they are much faster for access a phone over usb |
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| 16:33.03 | no_gravity | I tried to move 500 photos from the phone to my desktop. Via drag and drop. But it got stuck on "preparing to move 500 files". |
| 16:33.18 | no_gravity | So I thought copying them via the terminal is better. |
| 16:33.27 | somiaj | you may have trouble doing that with mtp, it is going to be slow, you'll have to awit a long time |
| 16:33.30 | no_gravity | Now I am just dragging them in smaller batches. |
| 16:33.45 | somiaj | when I tried took me hours and it failed on a large number of photos, this is over usb adn it is andriod? |
| 16:34.08 | no_gravity | Moving 100 at a time is actually quite fast. |
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| 16:34.13 | somiaj | (note some thing like drop box, sync phone photos online then get the sync can also work better than mtp) |
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| 16:34.49 | no_gravity | I think its some Gnome magic that gets stuck on a large number of files. |
| 16:34.53 | somiaj | http://www.androidauthority.com/android-customization-transfer-files-adb-push-adb-pull-601015/ |
| 16:35.01 | somiaj | That is what I ended up using, adb |
| 16:35.26 | somiaj | but you can try jmtpfs, or various other tools that work with mtp on the command line |
| 16:35.28 | fallentree | I'm dd-ing an ISO to an usb stick. dd if=/path...iso of=/dev/sdc bs=1M. The moment I hit enter, the system becomes barely responsive. I've got Rhythmbox playing a local mp3 track, and it becomes chopped. Newer core i5 CPU, 8GB of RAM, SSD. Is it really unable to handle 9MB/s for that puny little stick? |
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| 16:36.12 | somiaj | fallentree: do you have the same issue if you use cp /path /dev/sdc |
| 16:36.34 | fallentree | somiaj: I'll try |
| 16:36.43 | somiaj | fallentree: could be your scheduer, I think dd will try to write as fast as it can and this could cause issues with the bus making reading the mp3's choppy. |
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| 16:37.24 | somiaj | no_gravity: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MTP -- here is a list of some other options |
| 16:37.26 | fallentree | somiaj: no, with cp the system is normally responsive |
| 16:38.10 | fallentree | somiaj: it wasn't just the mp3 playing, the whole system started to stutter. I have gnome 3 shell and going in and out of dashboard, the animations are stuttering. |
| 16:38.12 | somiaj | fallentree: dd just might be overly agressive |
| 16:38.24 | somiaj | fallentree: unsure why it is, but the install guide suggest using cp over dd anyways |
| 16:38.25 | fallentree | I also tried to renice the dd proces, nice -n 19 ionice -c 2 -n 19 dd if.... didn't help |
| 16:39.31 | fallentree | well cp it is then, in the future. |
| 16:39.33 | greycat | The only difference between cp and dd is the block size. |
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| 16:39.45 | greycat | (In this case, since no other dd options were given.) |
| 16:39.51 | fallentree | greycat: I used bs=1M |
| 16:39.54 | greycat | I saw. |
| 16:40.17 | somiaj | that is what I thought, could it be the block size causing the issues? I woudln't except this drastic of an issue between the tools, just don't know enough about why dd would be lagging the system. |
| 16:40.35 | fallentree | never happened like that on Jessie, this is Stretch. I'm guessing newer kernels scheduler is borked, or dd is, as somiaj said, agressive. |
| 16:41.00 | somiaj | or something is cusing a lag, giving your bus an issue. Unsure if it is worth filing a bug. |
| 16:41.01 | greycat | The symptoms are identical to what we used to get back in the Days Of Yore when we read/burned CDs and the CD driver in the kernel didn't use DMA (Direct Memory Access). |
| 16:41.14 | greycat | I don't know enough about USB data transfers. |
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| 16:41.57 | fallentree | this is a "front panel" USB port, and it isn't USB 3, judging by the color (white, not blue). the stick is also apparently not usb3 (black, not blue). could it be cheapo or otherwise borked controller? |
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| 16:42.35 | somiaj | that would affect copy speed, but I don't think explain why dd lags your system and cp doesn't. |
| 16:42.45 | somiaj | dmesg isn't giving any warnings? |
| 16:42.50 | fallentree | both ended in approximately the same time, dd reporting 9MB/s |
| 16:43.05 | fallentree | somiaj: no, I checked that first. Was expecting a storm of events or irq issues, nothing. |
| 16:44.32 | somiaj | I wonder if you try to use dd with the blocksize of cp, maybe the blocks are to big. The numbers I got from a 2015 mailing list suggest more like 64-128k block size |
| 16:44.56 | fallentree | I'll check both with iostat |
| 16:45.43 | somiaj | yea seems the stretch version has between 64-128k block size, if you say set the block size to 128k does it have the same problem? |
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| 16:51.36 | fallentree | somiaj: no, 128k works smoothly. but I've noticed something else. cp ends (returns) much sooner than the actual writing has stopped. |
| 16:51.59 | noqnio1 | can i install wordpress without installing mysql? (i am planning to use mariadb). mysql-server is listed as a dependency |
| 16:52.01 | somiaj | this is standard because of how linux cache works, make sure to run sync |
| 16:52.18 | somiaj | fallentree: your system just isn't liking the 1M block size, cause it to lag. |
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| 16:52.28 | fallentree | somiaj: I know, so I'm guessing them ending in approximately the same time was false reading, and dd was actually pushing out all those blocks in that time while cp wasn't. |
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| 16:52.32 | somiaj | no_gravity: using the debian wordpress package? |
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| 16:52.39 | noqnio1 | yes |
| 16:52.42 | somiaj | noqnio1: ^^ |
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| 16:53.05 | noqnio1 | i had sooo many problems until i learned about sync, and it took embarrassingly long for me to do so |
| 16:53.22 | somiaj | noqnio1: the jessie or jessie-backports version? |
| 16:53.27 | noqnio1 | backports |
| 16:53.37 | fallentree | wait, dd returned too but activity is till going. and funny, with bs=128k it reported 14MB/s, while with bs=1M it was 9MB/s and unresponsive system. meh. |
| 16:55.15 | somiaj | noqnio1: mysql-client | mariadb-client -- those are the depends on the jessie package. It is or, but mysql is listed first, so install mariadb first, then install wordpress |
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| 16:55.52 | noqnio1 | nice, i did not realize that, thanks. what about mysql-client-5.5 mysql-common? |
| 16:56.05 | noqnio1 | will they interfere with mariadb in any way? |
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| 16:56.18 | somiaj | they should not |
| 16:56.23 | noqnio1 | cool, thanks again |
| 16:56.31 | somiaj | if they did there would be a conflicts or some info about this in the package |
| 16:56.44 | somiaj | if things are installable they should work togethter or at leasat leave together. |
| 16:56.52 | somiaj | (provided you stick to debian repos) |
| 16:57.00 | somiaj | s/leave/live/ |
| 16:57.08 | noqnio1 | oh mariadb also depends on mysql-common |
| 16:57.12 | noqnio1 | so everything is alright |
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| 17:24.59 | mvaenskae | cheers, using debian stretch in a VM for development and my software required libpng12 -- can i somehow install that as well next to libpng16? |
| 17:27.16 | mvaenskae | if this is wrong to ask in here please direct me to the proper channel to ask in :) |
| 17:27.41 | greycat | It's on topic. You'll just have to wait for someone who knows how to answer it. |
| 17:29.24 | Kobaz | hmm, so i have a Supermicro X11SSH-LN4F with both usb2 and usb3 plugs in the back, that's not detecting the keyboard |
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| 17:29.36 | mvaenskae | thanks :) i wasn't sure as the topic didn't specifically say whether "tech support" is given in here or not :) |
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| 17:31.21 | somiaj | ,v libpng12 |
| 17:31.22 | judd | No package named 'libpng12' was found in amd64. |
| 17:31.50 | somiaj | ,v libpng12-0 |
| 17:31.51 | judd | Package: libpng12-0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; jessie-security: 1.2.50-2+deb8u2; jessie: 1.2.50-2+deb8u3 |
| 17:32.14 | greycat | I believe he's really asking about the -dev package. |
| 17:32.33 | somiaj | mvaenskae: you could try with dpkg and --dry-run/--simulate and see if there are any conflicts from the debian package with the libpng in stretch. |
| 17:32.33 | greycat | I.e. he wants to *compile* something against libpng12 not just run a binary. |
| 17:32.45 | mvaenskae | i don't need it at compile time |
| 17:32.53 | greycat | Oh! Then sure, it's trivial. |
| 17:32.59 | greycat | Just install the older package manually. |
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| 17:33.50 | mvaenskae | at runtime for the xilinx vivado suite -- for my bachelor's i require it and thought "let's not use ubuntu for my VM but go with good ol debian as a good base" |
| 17:33.51 | jelly | or add jessie repos back (temporarily) and install it the usual way |
| 17:34.23 | greycat | That's a good alternative if you need more than just the one library package. |
| 17:34.34 | mvaenskae | i did search for libpng and only libpng16 was returned -- how would a manual install look like? |
| 17:34.42 | jelly | !jessie sources.list |
| 17:34.42 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 17:34.46 | greycat | http://packages.debian.org/libpng12-0 |
| 17:35.03 | mvaenskae | can i "mix" debian release versions? |
| 17:35.20 | greycat | You can *usually* run older packages on newer releases. |
| 17:35.30 | jelly | it's reasonably safe to mix in packages from _older_ releases |
| 17:35.32 | greycat | You can *NOT* add newer-release packages to older releases. |
| 17:36.02 | jelly | you can try, and mess up the installation with no way back |
| 17:36.17 | mvaenskae | alright :) thanks a lot guys -- so i will add the jessie mirrors and see how it goes with that |
| 17:37.12 | jelly | ,v libssl1.0.0 |
| 17:37.13 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u2; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6; jessie-backports: 1.0.2k-1~bpo8+1 |
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| 17:37.37 | jelly | I still have vendor cra^H^H^Hbinaries linked against 0.9.8 |
| 17:37.47 | jolt | mvaenskae: If you are afraid of breaking it, make a virtual install somewhere and try it there |
| 17:38.15 | mvaenskae | jolt: good idea, i'll make a snapshot of the VM right now |
| 17:38.41 | jolt | mvaenskae: *thumbs up* |
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| 17:40.56 | mvaenskae | or not... *sigh* libvirt at times is dumb :( |
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| 17:42.24 | altyr | mvaenskae: altera quartus user here. Can confirm that libpng is the bane of fpga development |
| 17:43.15 | mvaenskae | altyr: well, any media lib i have made the experience is causing hurt to applications |
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| 17:44.08 | mvaenskae | long time gentoo user myself -- one lib caused so many recompiles i decided to stop using some of the software/use binaries because i wasn't up to compiling them for 3 hours again... |
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| 17:46.00 | somiaj | yea, -dev packages aren't as easy as the binaries with libs in debian. But debian does try to keep it so differnent versions can be installed. |
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| 17:46.26 | somiaj | well of the binary packages |
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| 17:47.02 | greycat | Typicall you can only have one libfoo*-dev installed, because there will be one /usr/lib/libfoo.so file/symlink on the system, which is what the compiler/linker will use when you put -lfoo in your build command. |
| 17:47.13 | mvaenskae | what is the proper way of including "out of source" packages in debian btw? |
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| 17:47.27 | greycat | put any non-packaged things in /usr/local or /opt |
| 17:47.32 | greycat | or a user's home directory |
| 17:48.05 | mvaenskae | pardon, "out of tree" i meant -- there are likely sort of unofficial repositories -- how does one manage them with apt? |
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| 17:48.59 | greycat | Third party packages are generally trouble, and you should keep them to a minimum. |
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| 17:50.25 | candidat2 | hi |
| 17:51.03 | mvaenskae | true, yet does the package manager support third party packages the same way as normal ones? |
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| 17:51.58 | greycat | Yes. |
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| 17:52.13 | greycat | apt does not know which repositories are official Debian ones, and which are crap. |
| 17:52.13 | apt | greycat: okay |
| 17:52.18 | greycat | ... fuck |
| 17:52.31 | greycat | apt, forget does not know which repositories |
| 17:52.31 | apt | greycat: i forgot does not know which repositories |
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| 18:16.17 | autofsckk | hi, somebody here using saltstack? i would like to ask for impressions about it :D |
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| 18:18.54 | jolt | autofsckk: all the major tools in the same category are pretty good and well developed. I haven't used salt much since I found that ansible was used on the places I needed to work. Which of those tools you use are just up to your needs |
| 18:20.55 | autofsckk | i have heard of ansible a lot, we where using puppet in my last job but i didnt like it, and i started doing some research about salt and i found it great, i want to control and monitor to start with |
| 18:21.33 | autofsckk | jolt: have you tried tinc? |
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| 18:22.16 | mutante | autofsckk: https://github.com/wikimedia/cumin (just about to replace salt with that) |
| 18:24.40 | autofsckk | mutante: are you changing because you found something not good with salt or because found this one very superior? |
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| 18:25.07 | jolt | autofsckk: A long time ago. I only use openvpn for tunnels now |
| 18:26.57 | mutante | autofsckk: salt wasnt always reliable in target all the nodes, it would happen that some nodes dont reply for one reason or another, you would run a command targetting "*" twice after another but get a different number of hosts. could not be sure you really got them all |
| 18:27.31 | mutante | (that's the part that i know, others made the architecture decisions) |
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| 18:31.51 | autofsckk | what about monitoring? what tool is the winner in your experience? |
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| 18:34.44 | jolt | autofsckk: I use the carbon/whisper stack, but with the alternatives written in go, like go-carbon, carbonzipper etc, with grafana as frontend |
| 18:35.40 | autofsckk | i dont know carbon, we where trying to connect salt+grafana and it was doing well |
| 18:36.13 | mutante | autofsckk: icinga, puppetized |
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| 18:36.29 | mutante | (well, it's still not replaced and proven to work) |
| 18:37.41 | autofsckk | at last job there was puppet+icinga and didnt work or was not configured at all i think |
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| 18:39.08 | jolt | We run icinga as well, Icinga1 so it's very outdated, but it does the trick |
| 18:39.26 | jolt | 1100+ hosts with 12k+ checks :) |
| 18:39.36 | autofsckk | wow |
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| 18:40.30 | jolt | So it works, but I think Ill look into sensu or shinken for my next gig |
| 18:40.43 | jolt | Or just go with icinga2 since it looks pretty nice |
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| 18:43.29 | autofsckk | thanks |
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| 18:48.45 | jolt | autofsckk: Zabbix is also an alternative to look at |
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| 18:50.04 | autofsckk | i also read something about that like 6 monts ago, but now you get obsolete in within months jajajaja everything moves so fast now |
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| 18:54.15 | g0zzy | Font fuzzy on this Jessie laptop (see http://technojeeves.com/tech/code.png ). Weird thing is that it looked fine when i looked at it with xtightvncviewer. I don't really understand this sort of thing well so i don't know why ... |
| 18:54.16 | donofrio | anyone run multiple x-Clients feeding into one X-server for a full desktop from many to one (big screen) heer is my old daily driver before that had me go down to four screens - https://1drv.ms/i/s!AsBlZbBf72iNrSKiD9bzZgGZ0NTm I'm now peddling with https://1drv.ms/i/s!AsBlZbBf72iNlq5h-oRVKNtMt4CHLg and I still would love to have one desktop six outputs thinking like four or six desktop's running client xorg's and one desktop |
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| 18:56.22 | autofsckk | that looks good |
| 18:56.23 | autofsckk | :D |
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| 18:57.13 | donofrio | yah six screens was nice, still limited to three desktop's hence my question on how to join them (not worried about HID stuff just want a unified big desktop) |
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| 19:01.36 | donofrio | someone's gotta know - I'll just lurk here and someone can pm or speak up when they know and I'd be very greatful ;) |
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| 19:02.54 | GJdan | What does D+ mean in the stat column in ps aux? |
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| 19:03.06 | greycat | man ps. D means Driver, it's in a kernel syscall. |
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| 19:07.14 | GJdan | oh, sorry, I meant R+_ |
| 19:07.19 | GJdan | without the underscore |
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| 19:07.54 | tw | R = executing, + = foreground. |
| 19:07.58 | GJdan | but aye, I see now, I should have man ps, thanks :) |
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| 19:08.28 | GJdan | been running a dd since this time yesterday to clean a disk with sensitive data before repurposing it. Didn't think it would take 24+ hours :\ |
| 19:08.33 | GJdan | 3tb disk |
| 19:09.56 | mvaenskae | is virtio-gpu available in debian stretch as a guest? |
| 19:09.57 | jolt | GJdan: From /dev/random? |
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| 19:10.52 | GJdan | /dev/urandom, yeah |
| 19:11.13 | tw | mvaenskae: qemu shows it as one of the available devices... no idea if it's functional. |
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| 19:11.43 | jolt | GJdan: Right. Takes a lot of time, thats for sure. I can really recommend something like haveged if the output of that isnät fast enough. But maybe your bus was the limit |
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| 19:12.07 | GJdan | I'm just regretting not piping it through pv |
| 19:12.12 | jolt | yeah |
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| 19:12.27 | jolt | been there, done the same mistakes |
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| 19:13.26 | donofrio | GJdan, monitor it with iostat |
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| 19:24.04 | GJdan | oh... look at that. Apparently I forgot to sudo when I started the dd |
| 19:24.06 | strive | If I were to disable anything affiliated with gnome-keyring, what would the system default to? |
| 19:24.19 | GJdan | would that sit and do nothing all night instead of telling me it doesn't have permission? |
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| 19:26.12 | GJdan | trying to decide if I should SIGHUP it |
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| 19:26.39 | pawky2 | does anyone know which package holds the ntlmv2 protocol for samba? |
| 19:26.46 | jolt | I use wipe for that stuff, I think it has a progress bar of some kind as well |
| 19:27.07 | greycat | pawky2: is it "samba"? Is this a trick question? |
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| 19:27.58 | pawky2 | well... I know I might be a bit out of line here.. no, its CIFS... i can login to the server using smbclient, but CIFS gives me "Status code returned 0xc000006d NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE" |
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| 19:28.36 | simbalion` | Is Stretch out? I just saw a micronews post with a cryptic "Keep Calm and Use Debian" headline.. |
| 19:28.36 | pawky2 | I belive it has to do they support different authentication protocols.. and my gues is ntlmv2 isnt installed :-/ |
| 19:28.47 | greycat | stretch has not been released |
| 19:29.35 | pawky2 | i just need to friggin, connect to my share :-/ |
| 19:30.18 | jhutchins_wk | simbalion`: Not yet. Soon. It's a pretty elaborate process, not something that sneaks out. |
| 19:30.23 | pawky2 | am I way of in the wrong forum? |
| 19:30.40 | simbalion` | jhutchins_wk: drat.. I got a little excited (not much since it said to keep calm.) |
| 19:31.03 | greycat | pawky2: Which version of Debian? |
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| 19:31.21 | abff | 1) it's a channel, 2) I am too lazy to read your problem but I smell samba, so if you're running smbd on Debian then this is probably one of the more active places that will actually get you help |
| 19:31.48 | pawky2 | greycat: well.. its Jessie |
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| 19:32.28 | jhutchins_wk | pawky2: dpkg -S <path to>ntlmv2 |
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| 19:32.51 | greycat | Google results for "samba version ntlmv2" are showing me posts from 2004. |
| 19:32.58 | jhutchins_wk | pawky2: jessie on both boxes? |
| 19:33.04 | greycat | I would imagine jessie's version of samba is new enough. |
| 19:33.12 | pawky2 | No, the other one is an ASUSTOR crappy thingy |
| 19:33.26 | pawky2 | (RAID) |
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| 19:34.06 | greycat | What makes you think the authentication protocol is the issue? As opposed to, say, the Name that you give when you specify which host to talk to? |
| 19:34.13 | pawky2 | dpkg means I would have the package, which I dont |
| 19:34.13 | dpkg | pawky2: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 19:34.40 | pawky2 | dpkg nltmv2 |
| 19:34.41 | dpkg | pawky2: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 19:34.42 | jhutchins_wk | pawky2: In that case, apt-file |
| 19:35.01 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: what are YOU talking about? You think there is supposed to be a file literally named "ntlmv2" somewhere on disk? |
| 19:35.02 | jhutchins_wk | pawky2: Our infobot responds to a leading dpkg. |
| 19:35.13 | pawky2 | but if i cannot find it with apt-cache, then I wont get it with apt-file either... |
| 19:35.19 | SuperTramp83 | Been running stretch on my laptop for a few days, great so far :) |
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| 19:35.37 | jhutchins_wk | pawky2: Which leads to greycat's conclusion, it's a feature, not a file. |
| 19:36.10 | pawky2 | well.. it might be a module included in a package... |
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| 19:36.42 | pawky2 | to make it simple, the current mount -t cifs -o sec=ntlmv2 wont work... |
| 19:36.51 | pawky2 | any ideas how to make it work? |
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| 19:37.10 | jhutchins_wk | pawky2: Let it decide the protocol for itself? |
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| 19:37.19 | greycat | pawky2: the most common reason CIFS/SMB authentication fails with current versions of software is the Name you use. Windows expects a non-fully-qualified hostname in most cases. If you have to specify foo.mycompany.com but the machine only knows itself as "foo", that will fail. |
| 19:37.24 | jhutchins_wk | pawky2: It could be a matter of how you're presenting the credentials. |
| 19:37.39 | pawky2 | well if that would have worked I wouldnt be here in the first place would I? :-) |
| 19:38.03 | jhutchins_wk | I believe the Server Name is configured in smb.conf |
| 19:38.06 | pawky2 | greycat: well i use the IP address ... |
| 19:38.15 | pawky2 | no... not for a cifs mount |
| 19:38.21 | greycat | OK, that is one of the workarounds. For some commands anyway. |
| 19:38.35 | jhutchins_wk | pawky2: I've always used the NETBios name. |
| 19:38.40 | pawky2 | the client Debian , tries to connect to the ASUSTOR.. that wont work, but doing exactly the same with smblient works |
| 19:38.58 | pawky2 | no netbios here... ;-) |
| 19:39.05 | greycat | What's the exact command you used (minus a password), and what's the exact error? |
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| 19:39.43 | pawky2 | mount -c cifs //111.222.333.444/Music /mnt/music -o username=some_user |
| 19:40.12 | pawky2 | which worked before I reinstalled the Debian Jessie on the client... |
| 19:40.26 | greycat | What was it before? |
| 19:40.33 | pawky2 | also jessie |
| 19:40.45 | pawky2 | i presume 8 to.... 8.8? :-) |
| 19:40.50 | pawky2 | whats current? |
| 19:40.56 | jhutchins_wk | pawky2: is that -c or -t? |
| 19:40.59 | greycat | There *was* a samba update in the middle of jessie.... |
| 19:41.03 | greycat | !jessie samba |
| 19:41.03 | dpkg | A security update in jessie upgrades Samba to 4.2. The NEWS.Debian.gz file has some errors. See <http://bugs.debian.org/820983> for the correct instructions. Win XP clients use NTLM by default; to switch them to NTLMv2 you will need admin, and follow <https://www.imss.caltech.edu/node/396> depending on which XP it is. |
| 19:41.08 | pawky2 | a -t normally ;-) |
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| 19:41.46 | pawky2 | ok that bot gave me some tips.. |
| 19:41.53 | jhutchins_wk | pawky2: Rats, that would've been easy. |
| 19:42.03 | pawky2 | lol |
| 19:42.18 | pawky2 | i presume dpkg is a bot.. it gave me some stuff to look at :-) |
| 19:42.31 | greycat | yes, it's a bot |
| 19:42.43 | pawky2 | oh... that link was about the Windows server, not the client |
| 19:42.47 | pawky2 | ah.. ohh.. wait a minute |
| 19:42.58 | pawky2 | so, the client now enforces ntlmv2? :-) |
| 19:43.15 | greycat | It'ts mostly about Windows clients connecting to a Debian Samba server, but you can read all the links. There may be other surprises. |
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| 19:43.42 | greycat | The *original* point is that you don't need to "install ntlmv2". It's part of Samba. |
| 19:44.04 | pawky2 | did you see the bot output as well? |
| 19:44.11 | greycat | Of course. |
| 19:44.46 | pawky2 | ok.. so maybe that security patch now enforces a ntlmv2 and the server doesnt?... will try it.. |
| 19:47.54 | pawky2 | nope.. no difference.. |
| 19:48.21 | pawky2 | what does smblient do/not do... that mount -t cifs does/doesnt? |
| 19:48.53 | greycat | There's a --verbose option for mount.cifs |
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| 19:49.19 | greycat | I have one of these active right now, from a jessie box: mount.cifs //10.65.192.147/eegrvw /thorb --verbose -o username=eegrvw |
| 19:49.45 | greycat | (Would I prefer to use a hostname instead of an IP? Absolutely. But fucking Microsoft.) |
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| 19:50.35 | pawky2 | well i use ip as well, its more of a sport ;-) |
| 19:51.05 | pawky2 | doesnt give any more information |
| 19:53.10 | pawky2 | ton the client side it complains the mount is write protected (which it isnt) then tells it is "mountin read-only" but that fails. |
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| 19:53.58 | pawky2 | using Konqueror/Dolphin, I can happily login to the server, so it must be a protocol issue |
| 19:55.06 | greycat | maybe you need to ask #samba at this point |
| 19:55.43 | pawky2 | no one answers |
| 19:55.52 | pawky2 | I started my quest there |
| 19:55.53 | jelly | be patient |
| 19:56.04 | pawky2 | true |
| 19:56.08 | jelly | tis weekend after all |
| 19:56.21 | pawky2 | I just thought maybe someone in here had stumbled upon the same issue ;-) |
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| 19:56.56 | pawky2 | windows connection works... reinstall newer jessie.. not working, am I the only one? |
| 19:57.27 | pawky2 | or reinstall... its a new install |
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| 20:09.33 | davidebeatrici | Hello |
| 20:09.49 | davidebeatrici | I have an Intel HD 4600 and a R9 290 |
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| 20:10.24 | davidebeatrici | The BIOS initializes the HD 4600, so that the tty appears on the monitor connected to the integrated GPU |
| 20:10.32 | davidebeatrici | For when I want to pass the dedicated card to a VM |
| 20:11.16 | davidebeatrici | xrandr --listproviders |
| 20:11.39 | davidebeatrici | Provider 0: id: 0x92 cap: 0xf, Source Output, Sink Output, Source Offload, Sink Offload crtcs: 3 outputs: 3 associated providers: 1 name:modesetting |
| 20:11.39 | davidebeatrici | Provider 1: id: 0x59 cap: 0xf, Source Output, Sink Output, Source Offload, Sink Offload crtcs: 6 outputs: 4 associated providers: 1 name:HAWAII @ pci:0000:01:00.0 |
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| 20:11.49 | davidebeatrici | By default the AMD is disabled |
| 20:11.55 | davidebeatrici | I can enable it with: |
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| 20:12.23 | davidebeatrici | xrandr --setprovideroffloadsink 0x59 0x92 |
| 20:12.34 | davidebeatrici | xrandr --setprovideroutputsource 0x59 0x92 |
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| 20:12.55 | davidebeatrici | The problem is that I need to append "DRI_PRIME=1" to every application I want to run with the dedicated card |
| 20:13.05 | davidebeatrici | Is there a way to set it as the primary card? |
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| 20:19.48 | tw | Add it to your environment. |
| 20:20.48 | tw | maybe add export DRI_PRIME=1 to .xprofile |
| 20:21.29 | greycat | whatever .xprofile is, it's not mentioned anywhere in /etc on MY box |
| 20:21.30 | tw | Not sure the point of running the hd4600 at all at that point though since all apps will be sent to the r9 |
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| 20:22.29 | davidebeatrici | tw: For VGA Passthrough |
| 20:23.18 | davidebeatrici | I need to switch session (CTRL+ALT+F1), stop SDDM, pass the AMD and then start SDDM again |
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| 20:23.49 | davidebeatrici | If the BIOS initializes the dedicated card, the TTY appears there |
| 20:24.04 | davidebeatrici | And it is a problem, because when I run the script to pass the card, everything gets stuck |
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| 20:27.46 | tw | If you did set DRI_PRIME in your environment and the card is unavailable, does it break? |
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| 20:38.12 | davidebeatrici | tw: Yes |
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| 21:10.51 | g0zzy | Font fuzzy on this Jessie laptop (see http://technojeeves.com/tech/code.png ). Weird thing is that it looked fine when i looked at it with xtightvncviewer. I don't really understand this sort of thing well so i don't know why ... |
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| 21:31.40 | AlexPortable | How can I compare installed packages/programs vs the ones that came by default? |
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| 22:18.40 | rafuch0 | Hi there |
| 22:19.03 | rafuch0 | i sent an email to debian books no awnser . . . |
| 22:19.38 | rafuch0 | need to change my email addrs in here --- > https://www.debian.org/doc/books#spanish |
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| 22:22.50 | tomreyn | rafuch0: according to https://lists.debian.org/debian-books/ that's a dead list |
| 22:22.55 | tomreyn | maybe try debian-www@lists.debian.org |
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| 22:31.21 | rafuch0 | thanks tomreyn gonna try there |
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| 22:33.57 | tomreyn | welcome ;) i'm not reall yinvolve din debian, though, just copied this address form the page you linked to. |
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| 22:58.11 | firef1y | *sigh* why is the answer always, "Install Debian"... |
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| 22:58.32 | firef1y | it's like nobody else can make a decent operating system... |
| 23:00.00 | missmbob | so stop using others. sounds easy enough. |
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| 23:04.11 | shadoxx | firef1y: what's the issue? if you know how to use them, all linux OSes can get the job done |
| 23:04.16 | shadoxx | :D |
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