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| 00:31.34 | neo_ | hi people, I am upgrading stretch, in sources.list I have only repository what I used to install, but synaptic warn me that I am installing some NON AUTHENTICATED packages ... some ideas what is it happening and how to solve it ? do you need some extra info to know what happens ? |
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| 00:32.21 | madaboutjessie | hello can you tell me how to use fsck? |
| 00:32.45 | neo_ | man fsck |
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| 00:33.41 | madaboutjessie | the fact is that I typed sudo shutdown -s now and next time i booted i hacve this error: unexpected inconsistency run fsck manually |
| 00:34.10 | madaboutjessie | sould I say no to ignore and yes tro fix? |
| 00:34.53 | madaboutjessie | also should i use the debian install cd? |
| 00:36.41 | neo_ | i think it is a good idea to turn off the system and use an external device to start a linux system and run fsck on your hard disk |
| 00:36.43 | missmbob | what do you think -s does in that instance? hit yes |
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| 00:39.15 | madaboutjessie | neo: ok |
| 00:39.46 | madaboutjessie | missmbob: yes to fix and no to ignore? |
| 00:40.28 | missmbob | do what neo_ said |
| 00:41.43 | madaboutjessie | can be that external device that neo says a Debian install cd? |
| 00:41.59 | madaboutjessie | or must it be a separate hd intallation? |
| 00:42.34 | madaboutjessie | because i dont have the seccond a priopri |
| 00:43.57 | madaboutjessie | *priori |
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| 00:45.18 | missmbob | install media is fine |
| 00:45.28 | madaboutjessie | ok |
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| 00:46.30 | madaboutjessie | could this have to be with the fact that i disabled tty service?? |
| 00:47.07 | madaboutjessie | or is just a random system hang? |
| 00:48.00 | neo_ | madabout...: I think is a problem of orphans inodes on your HD |
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| 00:48.32 | neo_ | run fsck, boot again and it should be solved |
| 00:48.37 | madaboutjessie | im lazyyyy! |
| 00:48.55 | neo_ | XD XD XD |
| 00:49.04 | madaboutjessie | search boot cd.. |
| 00:49.25 | madaboutjessie | and type "y" a google times |
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| 00:49.34 | madaboutjessie | *gogol |
| 00:49.46 | neo_ | you can use any other portable linux system |
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| 00:50.07 | madaboutjessie | if i only had telnet running |
| 00:50.29 | madaboutjessie | but telnet service also stopped with that rerror |
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| 00:51.20 | neo_ | download an small and easy to install distro and install on a pendrive and ready |
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| 00:51.39 | madaboutjessie | what if i use recovery mode? |
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| 00:52.26 | neo_ | the problem is you are using tools from the bad system, you can make the problem bigger |
| 00:52.34 | tfgbd_znc | My lxde window manager disapeared and won't run when x starts anymore |
| 00:52.36 | madaboutjessie | ok |
| 00:52.58 | madaboutjessie | I will have a shower meanwhile i fix it |
| 00:53.03 | tfgbd_znc | so now I have borderless windows ever time I start debian |
| 00:53.16 | tfgbd_znc | any ideas? |
| 00:53.20 | neo_ | madabout...: XD XD XD |
| 00:53.24 | madaboutjessie | reinstall lxde |
| 00:53.51 | tfgbd_znc | i need to do that much? |
| 00:53.56 | madaboutjessie | sudo apt-get purge lxde |
| 00:54.13 | madaboutjessie | sudo apt get install lxde |
| 00:54.22 | madaboutjessie | im not sure |
| 00:54.33 | neo_ | i think is ok |
| 00:54.33 | madaboutjessie | ask some more experienced user |
| 00:54.50 | tfgbd_znc | also, this is running in a debbootstrap install running in a chroot on Android |
| 00:54.50 | madaboutjessie | that is what id do |
| 00:55.25 | tfgbd_znc | I'm afraid I may break my whole install if I do that |
| 00:56.05 | madaboutjessie | but you risk loosing integration |
| 00:56.13 | madaboutjessie | do what neo says |
| 00:56.30 | tfgbd_znc | i ccan easily fix it by just typing openbox-lxde ii a terminal window |
| 00:56.37 | tfgbd_znc | in* |
| 00:57.02 | tfgbd_znc | I figure I need to add that back somewhere but I'm not sure where |
| 00:59.04 | neo_ | you can ask here: |
| 00:59.04 | neo_ | https://forum.xda-developers.com/ .... they are expert with linux running on android |
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| 01:01.26 | uxfi | achooo |
| 01:02.25 | neo_ | I people, cam somebody help me please ? ... |
| 01:02.28 | neo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.17 | missmbob | ask #debian-next on oftc. that's the testing/sid channel |
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| 01:05.03 | neo_ | missmbob. ok, thanks a lot |
| 01:05.46 | madaboutjessie | I have installed a telnet service, disabled tty service and runned vlc on telnet tio play random videos from youtube 24/7 |
| 01:06.01 | madaboutjessie | that computer has a 500w cpu |
| 01:06.16 | madaboutjessie | do you wanna know my ellectricty bill? |
| 01:06.28 | missmbob | !chat |
| 01:06.28 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:06.45 | madaboutjessie | equal to plus 500watts all day all night |
| 01:06.50 | madaboutjessie | is that normal? |
| 01:07.17 | madaboutjessie | is any way of doing the same and save energy? |
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| 01:07.54 | madaboutjessie | missambob is a Debian system |
| 01:08.13 | madaboutjessie | so how can i make Debianm save more energy? |
| 01:10.52 | tfgbd_znc | it' clearly a bug in my deployment system |
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| 01:23.21 | TomG2 | madaboutjessie, that's a good question, have you searched the web or viewed wiki.debian.org ? maybe they have something already |
| 01:24.12 | madaboutjessie | thtere is that media center diistro i did not try |
| 01:24.20 | madaboutjessie | hows its name? |
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| 01:25.29 | madaboutjessie | a computer shouldnt use 500watts just for play videos |
| 01:26.01 | dvs | depends on the video card |
| 01:27.20 | madaboutjessie | nvidia ghforce |
| 01:27.28 | madaboutjessie | 5x |
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| 01:31.09 | dodo | Hello, I'm trying to install Debian Jessie 8.8.0 using an USB Flash drive with an i386 netinstall image disc (was created with UNetbootin tool). When I turn on my system with the Flash drive plugged in, I see three booting options related to the drive, but only the one that says "UEFI: SanDisk U3 Cruzer Micro 2.18" works. It displays the grub menu. In that menu, no matter which installer option I select, it gets freeze. |
| 01:31.29 | dvs | !unetbootin |
| 01:31.29 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 01:31.58 | dodo | damn... that was fast. |
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| 01:32.04 | dodo | thanks dvs |
| 01:32.23 | missmbob | are you on windows or linux when you create the usb? |
| 01:32.43 | dvs | missmbob, I suspect Windows with unetbootin |
| 01:32.45 | dodo | I'm in a Jessie machine |
| 01:32.50 | dvs | oh? |
| 01:32.53 | sptnx | for creating bootable usb from iso i think rufus is best |
| 01:32.57 | missmbob | then just use cp. |
| 01:32.59 | missmbob | !rufus |
| 01:33.00 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 01:33.04 | dodo | the cp? |
| 01:33.04 | missmbob | no rufus |
| 01:33.09 | dodo | maybe a 'dd' |
| 01:33.13 | missmbob | cp foo.iso /dev/sdx |
| 01:33.14 | dvs | that too |
| 01:33.16 | missmbob | dd works too |
| 01:33.17 | dodo | or not? |
| 01:33.19 | dodo | ok |
| 01:33.21 | dodo | will try that |
| 01:33.25 | dodo | thanks |
| 01:33.49 | dodo | cp foo.iso /dev/sdx, does it really work? |
| 01:34.00 | missmbob | yes. it's what the install guide suggests |
| 01:34.03 | dvs | dodo, if you do a sync afterwards |
| 01:34.32 | dodo | I have never seen that, but now that I read /dev/sda, I think that it should work. |
| 01:34.33 | dodo | thanks |
| 01:34.37 | missmbob | and use a real iso. not live |
| 01:34.55 | dodo | I'm going to use the netinstall disc |
| 01:35.23 | dvs | over wifi? |
| 01:35.34 | dodo | rj45 |
| 01:35.38 | dvs | cool |
| 01:35.43 | tfgbd_znc | my problem just fixed itself. I have no idea how |
| 01:36.30 | tfgbd_znc | i deleted a deployment config and suddenly my lxde went back to normal |
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| 01:51.02 | madaboutjessie | I dont have fsck on the ibstall shell |
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| 01:51.33 | madaboutjessie | can I use an arch-linux live cd? |
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| 01:54.09 | missmbob | !rescue mode |
| 01:54.09 | dpkg | Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the <install guide> ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch08s07.html.en |
| 01:54.25 | missmbob | but yes, arch live will work just as well |
| 01:54.43 | madaboutjessie | oh yess! |
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| 02:17.50 | Koyaanisqatsi` | after the latest update on debian stretch, mate desktop can no longer change the desktop background |
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| 02:20.44 | missmbob | ask #debian-next on oftc |
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| 02:42.19 | madaboutjessie | couldnt start journal... |
| 02:42.31 | madaboutjessie | fsck exited 1 |
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| 02:44.30 | GottaGoFast | hi |
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| 02:45.08 | GottaGoFast | sudo mount -o remount, rw /dev/sdc1 > dmesg | tail 30 > |
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| 02:45.37 | GottaGoFast | how do i mount it as rw? |
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| 03:50.29 | nickgaw | Hi, In my bios my system has an option to turn on secure EFI booting should I turn this option on? |
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| 03:51.52 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. So, how far off is Stretch these days? |
| 03:52.03 | nickgaw | If I turn this option for EFI booting will my system still boot with the MBR hard drive configuration? |
| 03:52.11 | TomG2 | nickgaw, i don't know. but hang around, someone will |
| 03:52.47 | AlexLikeRock_ | Lady_Aleena, stretch must be ready , when they are ready ;-) |
| 03:52.52 | AlexLikeRock_ | take calm |
| 03:53.13 | Lady_Aleena | AlexLikeRock_, okey dokey. |
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| 03:53.49 | AlexLikeRock_ | nickgaw, EFI , must turn off , before install windows |
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| 03:54.24 | nickgaw | So if I turn it on now will my system be able to work or can I reconfigure it to work? |
| 03:54.49 | nickgaw | This laptop is linux only |
| 03:55.41 | AlexLikeRock_ | im not shure, nickgaw ask to somiaj |
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| 03:58.04 | hf_hashmon | secure efi sounds to me to be a password protected boot |
| 03:58.20 | hf_hashmon | but don't take my word for it |
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| 03:58.46 | nickgaw | The option in the bios setup is called UEFI and it is currently turned off so the system boots with a master boot record. |
| 03:59.37 | Lady_Aleena | AlexLikeRock_, just fyi, s/shure/sure/; # 8) |
| 04:00.18 | TomG2 | secure EFI is some thing to keep Microsoft operating systems safe from viruses if I am correct, but also it makes linux installs more difficult |
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| 04:00.24 | AlexLikeRock_ | tanks |
| 04:00.39 | hf_hashmon | i have one laptop that boots uefi pain it the butt if you ask me good ol mbr works good enough |
| 04:00.44 | Lady_Aleena | AlexLikeRock_, yw |
| 04:01.02 | nickgaw | So does linux work with UEFI at all? |
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| 04:01.18 | hf_hashmon | but with that said i have debian win7 and win10 all on same hdd |
| 04:01.29 | AlexLikeRock_ | TomG2, , the reality , its micro$oft make UEFY to block other OS on hardware and not boot |
| 04:01.34 | hf_hashmon | it does for me |
| 04:01.56 | TomG2 | yes, linux works with (U)EFI |
| 04:01.59 | AlexLikeRock_ | uefi its easy , the problem are SECURE-SHIT |
| 04:02.34 | nickgaw | So debian does not support secure UEFI? |
| 04:02.46 | hf_hashmon | not sure on that one |
| 04:02.48 | TomG2 | nickgaw, see https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI and https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot |
| 04:02.55 | AlexLikeRock_ | uefi = yes |
| 04:02.56 | AlexLikeRock_ | secure boot = NO |
| 04:03.16 | AlexLikeRock_ | must to change to LEGACY to work both |
| 04:03.34 | nickgaw | So should I just leave my system as it is with a MBR? |
| 04:03.52 | hf_hashmon | if it works id would |
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| 04:05.15 | hf_hashmon | if you already have an os installed and you change it most likley it wont boot as there was no efi boot record for your os |
| 04:05.49 | nickgaw | I will leave my system as it is was just asking if I should change the setting. |
| 04:06.15 | AlexLikeRock_ | cool |
| 04:06.20 | hf_hashmon | word |
| 04:07.05 | hf_hashmon | I need a smoke |
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| 04:12.14 | nickgaw | Do any organizations support debian in a paid ethod where you could pay them to help you maintain the system if you have major issues with things? |
| 04:12.43 | bit1 | nickgaw, Hello, I think so |
| 04:13.33 | bit1 | nickgaw, https://www.debian.org/partners/ |
| 04:13.50 | nickgaw | which ones and would they support a home user if I wanted their services? |
| 04:14.41 | somiaj | nickgaw: debian doesn't support secure boot, you will need to keep that disabled |
| 04:15.20 | hf_hashmon | wish i could get paid I do shiz for fun |
| 04:16.25 | hf_hashmon | just got muh cluster up ready for scaling just no funds |
| 04:16.39 | hf_hashmon | and i love debian |
| 04:16.44 | hf_hashmon | lol |
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| 04:22.36 | nickgaw | What I mainly need help with is finding out what sound interfaces like alsa and pulseaudio are installed as I know alsa is installed but as I am trying to install a better voice synthesizer on my debian system as I am totally blind and want something better sounding then espeak? |
| 04:23.03 | somiaj | alsa is part of the linux kernel, it is the drivers for the sound card, and contains the modules that get loaded. |
| 04:23.26 | somiaj | pulseaudio runs on top of alsa, usually in desktop enviroments, that has some additional features that alsa does not have. |
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| 04:25.30 | nickgaw | I just installed a standard system with no X windows as I have windows 10 on another system for GUI work. Should only alsa be installed? |
| 04:25.43 | nickgaw | Would installing pulseaudio be any good? |
| 04:25.57 | somiaj | alsa should be sufficent |
| 04:26.03 | nickgaw | ok |
| 04:26.07 | somiaj | and as I said it is part of the kernel. |
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| 04:26.23 | somiaj | if you run cat /proc/asound/cards you can see what cards your kernel has detected and loaded moduels for |
| 04:27.13 | nickgaw | I was looking into the paid Cepstral voice synthesizer why does debian not suggest I use pay software when I post to lists? |
| 04:28.51 | somiaj | I don't follow you? What do you mean by post to lists? Mailing lists? |
| 04:29.13 | nickgaw | yes mailing lists they always justwant to have me use free software. |
| 04:29.32 | somiaj | Oh, debian can't really support third party software. So if you are installing some third party softawre (espically if it is not free) debian isn't in a positoin to support it, so policy is they won't support it. |
| 04:30.10 | somiaj | correct, debian chooses to only support the open software in which is packaged in debian. |
| 04:30.12 | hf_hashmon | open source |
| 04:30.21 | hf_hashmon | FTW |
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| 04:32.27 | nickgaw | So if it does not work then I am on my own getting it fixed? |
| 04:32.49 | AlexLikeRock_ | yes |
| 04:32.54 | hf_hashmon | kinda you and google |
| 04:33.10 | hf_hashmon | one of muh bestest friends |
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| 04:33.19 | AlexLikeRock_ | please dont install tirth part repos |
| 04:33.45 | somiaj | nickgaw: or you contact the people who made the software. |
| 04:34.58 | hf_hashmon | yeah that too :P |
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| 05:45.39 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. Which card game package has the best performance? One time I installed a KDE game package, and the card games all died. |
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| 05:46.01 | AlexLikeRock_ | nVidia Lady_Aleena |
| 05:46.12 | AlexLikeRock_ | ohhhh, sorry |
| 05:47.12 | AlexLikeRock_ | aisleriot Lady_Aleena |
| 05:47.17 | AlexLikeRock_ | "aisleriot" |
| 05:47.39 | AlexLikeRock_ | its like All cames in ONE |
| 05:47.45 | AlexLikeRock_ | all cards games |
| 05:48.42 | AlexLikeRock_ | Lady_Aleena, i reomend to you KGOLF |
| 05:48.52 | AlexLikeRock_ | one player or Two |
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| 05:55.37 | Lady_Aleena | AlexLikeRock_, thank you! |
| 05:57.09 | AlexLikeRock_ | kolf *** |
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| 06:50.37 | AlexLikeRock_ | bye guys |
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| 06:55.40 | clinton | a piece of software I'm trying to build (namely the newest version of leksah) reports via pkg-config that it requires gtk 3.18 yet stable only has gtk 3.14.5. Is there a way to install the newer version of gtk from source from the gtk website so that leksah install finds the new version but it doesn't splatter the official debian version? |
| 06:58.21 | somiaj | .v libgtk-3-0 |
| 06:58.55 | somiaj | ,v libgtk-3-0 |
| 06:58.56 | judd | Package: libgtk-3-0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-7+deb7u1; jessie: 3.14.5-1+deb8u1; stretch: 3.22.11-1; sid: 3.22.12-1 |
| 06:59.41 | somiaj | clinton: no easy way. you could try to backport it from stretch. Lots of your gui stuff might that depends on lib gtk3 may no longer work as well and need to be rebuilt against the newer version, unsure on this though. |
| 06:59.54 | somiaj | but there isn't a backport provided. |
| 07:01.53 | beardy | Lady_Aleena: You can also check out ace-of-penguins |
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| 07:09.18 | clinton | somiaj: yeah I don't want to break the system to do this |
| 07:12.32 | Lady_Aleena | beardy, I got the game I wanted. 8) |
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| 08:07.16 | M|M | ciao a tuttti |
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| 08:09.54 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 08:41.57 | volko | having some issues with the latest kernel and systemd-udevd. When I boot, systemd-udevd pegs a CPU at 100% utilization until pstore returns an error |
| 08:42.00 | volko | pstore: failed to load 10397757 record(s) from 'efi' |
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| 08:46.38 | TomG2 | volko, i don't know have you looked it up in a search engine? |
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| 08:51.47 | volko | yes, i've done some searches for that pstore error, and systemd-udevd eating cpu |
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| 09:13.27 | TomG2 | volko, i don't know, you can follow the advice on the SystemD web page and try booting with sysvinit |
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| 09:13.35 | TomG2 | the Debian wiki page i mean |
| 09:14.08 | volko | lmao |
| 09:14.15 | TomG2 | https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Debugging |
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| 09:15.00 | TomG2 | you can try booting in rescue mode, or lower and lower levels of initialisation until you find out exactly what sets it off |
| 09:15.38 | TomG2 | regular systems don't need udev anyway, just ordinary device files will be fine |
| 09:15.52 | TomG2 | that's all i know on the issue. maybe you can file a bug report |
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| 09:18.37 | MrBar | hello debian |
| 09:18.56 | MrBar | i have question that i ask on stackoverflow, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/43941638/where-is-my-memory-in-linux |
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| 09:19.49 | TomG2 | dpkg, free ram? |
| 09:19.49 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 09:20.40 | MrBar | i take in account buffers + cache, but it not help |
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| 09:20.51 | MrBar | read please |
| 09:21.03 | TomG2 | dpkg, ram |
| 09:21.03 | dpkg | methinks ram is (Random Access Memory) The place in your computer that programs reside when running, or usually small but very fast storage device, or unused ram is _wasted_ ram! Ask me about <free ram> or <myram>. |
| 09:22.09 | MrBar | TomG2, please read carefully, not answer if not sure |
| 09:22.15 | TomG2 | as you wish |
| 09:22.39 | MrBar | i know about kernel slab, but it not help |
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| 09:23.14 | MrBar | i take in account kernel modules and kernel slab but it not help |
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| 09:25.07 | MrBar | 9Gb of RAm that reported as used, and i can't find for what and what they are used for, i sure it is not kernel and not app |
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| 09:34.45 | at0m | MrBar: 'top' will show a light on what's using RAM. also, http://www.linuxatemyram.com |
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| 09:35.38 | at0m | that's about what dpkg said |
| 09:36.12 | MrBar | at0m, please read carefully, not answer if not sure, i know about linuxatemyram |
| 09:36.44 | joncol | I build my own Emacs and Vim, and removed the ones that I got via Debian packages. Still, when I run apt-get dist-upgrade, it wants to install Emacs and Vim packages (that are older than my compiled ones). How can this be resolved? |
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| 09:38.34 | jelly | MrBar, which debian are you running and what kind of workload on that system? what does "free" say? |
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| 09:39.07 | TomG2 | joncol, when you built your own Vim and EMACS, did you make .deb packages out of them/ |
| 09:39.46 | joncol | TomG2: I used `make` and `sudo checkinstall` |
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| 09:40.35 | joncol | So they are known to `dpkg --get-selections` |
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| 09:41.04 | jelly | joncol, how precisely did you remove the debian builds? |
| 09:41.07 | jelly | !bat |
| 09:41.07 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 09:41.26 | jelly | joncol, ^^ show all the info relevant to that dist-upgrade attempt. |
| 09:41.40 | joncol | apt-get purge on the packages. |
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| 09:43.05 | MrBar | jelly, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/43941638/where-is-my-memory-in-linux |
| 09:43.45 | volko | hmm, i'm getting some freaky ata errors, but this is a fairly new hard drive https://pastebin.com/eqBzwxU1 |
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| 09:47.43 | jelly | MrBar, you're not accounting for any shared memory there. |
| 09:49.11 | MrBar | jelly, shared not need get accounted, it just shared |
| 09:49.20 | jelly | lol |
| 09:49.28 | MrBar | it accounted on used |
| 09:49.46 | jelly | exactly. |
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| 09:50.52 | MrBar | jelly, i take in account used, why i need take in account shared? |
| 09:51.10 | jelly | because it's allocated and used by processes. |
| 09:51.36 | MrBar | jelly, it already accounted in used |
| 09:51.54 | jelly | you don't "take used into account", you use it as total. |
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| 09:52.59 | MrBar | jelly, i get used and i get total |
| 09:53.19 | MrBar | jelly, please read carefully, not answer if not sure |
| 09:53.51 | jelly | you're completely ignoring the part that shared memory has in "used" |
| 09:54.33 | MrBar | jelly, it part of used, i take used in account, what u talking about? |
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| 09:55.09 | jelly | you subtract everything else from used, but not shared |
| 09:55.12 | MrBar | jelly, in any wai shared memory reported by free, very small |
| 09:55.51 | MrBar | jelly, there just 440524kb but i lost 9Gb |
| 09:56.43 | MrBar | jelly, shared not need to subtracted from used, it already accounted in used |
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| 09:57.02 | TomG2 | joncol, is your question answered yet? |
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| 09:57.54 | joncol | TomG2: No, I'm trying to change the input to checkinstall, to add "emacs24" and "emacs25" to the "replaces" field. |
| 10:01.22 | TomG2 | there's something about dpkg where when you install a package compiled by hand it always wants to install the same version from the repo |
| 10:01.32 | MrBar | jelly, i thing shared just part of memory that shared between virtual spaces of processes like .so, and this not needed to take in account since this accounted in app memory usage in 'ps aux' |
| 10:01.43 | TomG2 | joncol, maybe if you added a version number to your emacs, like -joncol, dpkg would not try to upgrade it |
| 10:02.12 | joncol | TomG2: OK, I'll try that. |
| 10:02.59 | TomG2 | in that case i hope i'm not talking out of my rear |
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| 10:11.49 | joncol | TomG2: It seems that it didn't make any difference... |
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| 10:12.15 | TomG2 | sorry, i thought it might |
| 10:12.21 | TomG2 | or would |
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| 10:14.06 | TomG2 | the only other idea i had was to not use checkinstall |
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| 10:15.21 | joncol | TomG2: When using `apt-cache show emacs25`, the version is "25.1+1-4". Maybe my version "25.2" is parsed as being older than this? |
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| 10:15.47 | MrBar | i not sure can i sum memory percentage column reported in ps axu, is this percentage of total RAM or anything else? |
| 10:15.51 | joncol | TomG2: Any idea what the "+1-4" signifies? |
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| 10:17.04 | abrotman | joncol: there's a sectoin in the Reference that explains this |
| 10:18.14 | TomG2 | i'd have to look it up, joncol |
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| 10:19.25 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields#s-f-Version |
| 10:20.02 | joncol | abrotman: thx |
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| 10:22.01 | gr8 | currently, when mounting a volume using Thunar or PCManFM, only the user that mounted it can access it. I would like to have it to a directory that everyone can access by default! |
| 10:22.23 | gr8 | also, it's an encrypted volume |
| 10:22.28 | gr8 | LUKS |
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| 10:24.31 | jelly | joncol: you can use dpkg --compare-versions to test that theory |
| 10:26.02 | joncol | jelly: Just what I was looking for, thanks. |
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| 10:29.24 | joncol | The version comparator seems to be fine, i.e. it returns a status code of 0 for `dpkg --compare-versions 25.1+1-4 lt 25.2`. |
| 10:31.38 | TomG2 | i guess +1 is just a Debian thing |
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| 10:50.30 | spacebug^ | MrBar: Maybe this can help you. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/131303/how-to-measure-actual-memory-usage-of-an-application-or-process#131346 if not then maybe ask in #linux |
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| 10:57.50 | MrBar | spacebug^, looks interesting |
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| 11:09.47 | Nik05 | With debian wheezy there was an debian live rescue disk, anyone know what happend with this in jessie? |
| 11:10.05 | Nik05 | the standard live iso doesnt have much rescue packages |
| 11:10.12 | abrotman | you can use the reguar installer as a rescue disc |
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| 11:11.47 | Nik05 | oke thank you abrotman |
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| 11:33.40 | TomG2 | the rescue disc was discontinued from lack of developers |
| 11:36.26 | abrotman | You mean the LiveCD ? |
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| 11:49.10 | MaxLanar | Hi, what is the CLI way to control volume on my debian box (with pulseaudio) ? |
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| 11:52.21 | zykotick9 | MaxLanar: alsamixer might work? |
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| 11:57.27 | MaxLanar | zykotick9: I want to map volume control commands to keys, I use amixer for that but it behave weirdly : when I lower the sound, I'm then sometimes not able to raise it above a certain (rather low) level. The only way to raise it again is to use the GUI tool pavucontrol. It's rather inconvenient. |
| 11:58.29 | MaxLanar | So I wondered if there was some pulseaudio-specific way to do that. I just found this, https://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/10995/pulseaudio-set-the-volume-via-command-line, I will try that |
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| 11:58.51 | zykotick9 | MaxLanar: ahh. well, best of luck. <i've got nothin' to suggest, as i'm still holding off pulse usage for a little longer - until the next firefox release (which requires pulse)> best of luck. |
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| 12:00.30 | MaxLanar | I regret the time before pulseaudio too, things were far more simple (and working fine!)... |
| 12:02.02 | abrotman | MaxLanar: pacmd ? |
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| 12:02.52 | abrotman | not sure if it allows for volume control, or just output control |
| 12:04.31 | abrotman | MaxLanar: https://github.com/GeorgeFilipkin/pulsemixer but not in Debian |
| 12:10.43 | MaxLanar | abrotman: yes pacmd seems to be able to control volume, but only for a precise level (I can set the level to 75% for example but not 'raise' or 'lower' it with a single command, wich I need) |
| 12:10.56 | MaxLanar | (or I don't kow how to do it) |
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| 12:14.04 | MaxLanar | Thanks for your link, I found also this, https://github.com/graysky2/pulseaudio-ctl, but not in debian either. If I need to install another program just to control the volume, at least I prefer for it to be in debian. I will continue to look for a solution. |
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| 12:16.07 | abrotman | MaxLanar: to be fair, the one I linked is a python script |
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| 12:29.13 | MaxLanar | The most elegant (or less ugly ?) solution I found : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=987149&p=10232181#post10232181 |
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| 12:38.16 | MaxLanar | Damn, it work on the command line, but not in my openbox rc.xml file :/ |
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| 12:41.49 | MaxLanar | HAHA I finally found a working (and really elegant) solution : https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#Keyboard_volume_control |
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| 13:39.52 | antena-cli | I tried to run dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb status=progress but there is no progress in dd of Debian 8.8 Jessie. What should I do to see the progress of dd command in this Debian? |
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| 13:52.43 | frostschutz | antena-cli, kill -USR1 dd makes it print progress. you want to add bs=1M there... or if it doesn't have to be dd, then shred -v -n 0 -z /dev/kill would zero it, or for random data shred -v -n 1 /dev/kill |
| 13:52.56 | MaxLanar | antena-cli: you should have a look to dcfldd |
| 13:53.37 | abrotman | pv is another optin |
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| 13:54.53 | francine | Hey |
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| 13:55.27 | antena-cli | I want to know when dd will end of if it is in some loop and will never end. |
| 13:55.59 | francine | antena-cli: If you haven't set a count= argument it will dd'ing until the disk is full |
| 13:56.06 | abrotman | antena-cli: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 13:57.00 | antena-cli | I want to fill my sdb with zeroes from the beginning to the end, and I want to see the percentage of the progress. |
| 13:57.28 | francine | antena-cli: status=progress |
| 13:57.32 | francine | Add this ^ |
| 13:57.51 | antena-cli | francine: There is no status=progress in dd in Debian 8.8 Jessie. |
| 13:58.00 | francine | ASpacy: Oh, true |
| 13:58.06 | francine | Then you are lost I think |
| 13:58.11 | francine | antena-cli: ^ |
| 13:58.11 | antena-cli | :/ |
| 13:58.26 | JPT | You can still use kill -SIGUSR1 or something on that dd process to make it print some info |
| 13:58.53 | abrotman | antena-cli: I meant, why are you filling it with zeroes? |
| 13:59.08 | antena-cli | JPT: It doesn't show the percentage, so I can't know if it'll end soon of whatever. |
| 13:59.14 | MaxLanar | dd is not aware if it is in a loop or what, it just put whatever you feed in to wherever you want (until input end or output's full) |
| 13:59.22 | antena-cli | abrotman: I'll sell it. |
| 13:59.40 | abrotman | antena-cli: use something like dban |
| 13:59.40 | francine | abrotman: He might want to erase the disk completely for security reaons (maybe disk replacement/old disk) |
| 13:59.42 | abrotman | dpkg: dban |
| 13:59.42 | dpkg | Darik's Boot and Nuke (DBAN) is a self-contained boot floppy/CD that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers (x86, x86-64, powerpc). DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. http://www.dban.org/faq . See also <nwipe>. |
| 13:59.43 | antena-cli | dd from stretch have status=progress? |
| 14:00.01 | francine | antena-cli: yes |
| 14:00.21 | antena-cli | I'll try DBAN then. I've tried SeaTools and it failed miserably. I had to restart my computer because everything crashed. |
| 14:00.32 | abrotman | That's interesting |
| 14:00.46 | MaxLanar | Here is what I use to randomize device : openssl enc -aes-256-ctr -pass pass:"$(dd if=/dev/urandom bs=128 count=1 2>/dev/null | base64)" -nosalt </dev/zero | pv --progress --eta --rate --bytes --size 32g | dd of=/dev/sda bs=2M |
| 14:00.47 | abrotman | just make sure you read the instructoins |
| 14:00.50 | francine | antena-cli: But make sure that DBAN can take a very long time on big disks |
| 14:01.02 | antena-cli | 1 TB. :( |
| 14:01.03 | MaxLanar | pv provide the progress update, not dd |
| 14:01.15 | francine | antena-cli: That might be 6 hours or so |
| 14:01.25 | francine | If not only 1 loop |
| 14:01.43 | antena-cli | So help me God. Thank you very much guys and have a good evening. |
| 14:02.17 | francine | antena-cli: You're welcome |
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| 14:11.00 | hid3 | abrotman: good day. Maybe you happen to know, if I add some fields to /lib/systemd/system/*.service files, will they get overwritten in case of package update or distro upgrade? |
| 14:11.54 | abrotman | hid3: depends if they would be conf files. If they are conf files, then no, otherwise, it's fairly likely |
| 14:12.04 | abrotman | my guess anyway |
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| 14:12.32 | hid3 | what do you mean by 'conf files'? |
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| 14:13.46 | hid3 | e.g. I've added "Nice=19" under [Service] section to /lib/systemd/system/transmission-daemon.service file. Is that a conf file or not? |
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| 14:19.55 | plop6 | is there a command to wipe out current memory load ? |
| 14:19.58 | plop6 | hi ;) |
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| 14:26.59 | MrBar | plop6, memory load? |
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| 14:30.43 | plop6 | MrBar: is there a command to wipe out memory ? |
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| 14:33.45 | mchasard | hi |
| 14:34.08 | MrBar | plop6, wipe out? u need delete RAM from system? |
| 14:34.09 | mchasard | whoch the best iso to test debian ?* |
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| 14:34.53 | mchasard | i saw also devuan its not the same ?* |
| 14:35.29 | plop6 | MrBar: i'am using system with low memory, he often get stuck when using webbrowser ;) |
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| 14:37.21 | MrBar | plop6, closing webbrowser not help? |
| 14:37.39 | MrBar | mchasard, try das knoppix.org |
| 14:38.12 | plop6 | MrBar: yes.... but looking for other solution ! |
| 14:38.17 | mchasard | knoppix is very old no ? |
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| 14:38.52 | mchasard | is it possible to install debian from the live usb ? |
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| 14:39.12 | MrBar | mchasard, yes |
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| 14:43.02 | teraflops | mchasard: afaik it won't intall under uefi |
| 14:43.41 | teraflops | or even not booting not sure sorry for my vagueness :S |
| 14:43.49 | mchasard | ok |
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| 14:48.44 | missmbob | mcintosh: dont do it. it has many known bugs, not just lack of uefi support |
| 14:48.51 | missmbob | fuch |
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| 14:58.35 | erabti__ | debian supports gnome 3.24.x? |
| 14:59.48 | ectospasm | I'm having trouble with isc-dhcp-server on Jessie. On a reboot (e.g. due to kernel upgrade), isc-dhcp-server.service complains "No subnet declaration for wlan0 (no IPv4 addresses)" (see https://paste.debian.net/932286/ for full journalctl output). If I manually, immediately restart isc-dhcp-server.service (`systemctl restart isc-dhcp-server.service`), it comes up and it serves DHCP leases over wlan0. |
| 14:59.52 | centrx | erabti__: It looks like the next version of Debian will have Gnome 3.22 |
| 15:00.06 | ectospasm | I think there's a race condition on boot, but I need to fix it. |
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| 15:03.27 | ectospasm | My dhcpd.conf: https://paste.debian.net/932288/ |
| 15:03.30 | teraflops | ectospasm: I never noticed what you say |
| 15:03.55 | ectospasm | teraflops: what do you mean? |
| 15:04.01 | teraflops | that |
| 15:04.08 | teraflops | I never noticed what you say |
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| 15:04.15 | teraflops | hmm, unless it's wireless related |
| 15:04.48 | ectospasm | My hunch is wlan0 isn't up when isc-dhcp-server starts |
| 15:05.06 | ectospasm | But I'm not familiar with systemd on Jessie to know where to look. |
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| 15:05.51 | ectospasm | isc-dhcp-server.service looks configured to start after network-online.target, but network-online.target seems rather empty. |
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| 15:06.57 | ectospasm | If it were a configuration problem in isc-dhcp-server, I'd expect a simple restart to exhibit the same problem. |
| 15:07.10 | ectospasm | ...restart of the service |
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| 15:07.42 | ectospasm | reboot is when I notice the problem, my mobile phone can't obtain an IP address from my router. |
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| 15:14.05 | mcintosh | missmbob: :p |
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| 15:22.00 | ectospasm | Hmmmm... |
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| 15:23.13 | jt | hey everybody, anyone to help me? I try to install a debian, I managed to install xubuntu but debian couldn't see my internal memory card |
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| 15:23.49 | ectospasm | I just glanced through my `journalctl --boot=0`, and corrected a problem with rinetd.conf. I also corrected a problem with an NFS mount on boot. Neither of those I'd suspect to have any bearing on my dhcp issue... Just rebooted and the dhcp problem is no longer apparent. |
| 15:23.57 | ectospasm | Rebooting again |
| 15:25.47 | ectospasm | Rebooting again |
| 15:25.55 | ectospasm | Oops |
| 15:26.20 | ectospasm | It looks like I survived two reboots, and dhcp is back up and running without any intervention. |
| 15:26.43 | ectospasm | I really would like to know how I fixed it, but that might be too much. |
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| 15:30.58 | jt | you never know |
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| 15:42.15 | sigdk | I did an upgrade an it changed my gvim fonts to something terrible... I can't revert the change... it seems that there are no monospace fonts available. Is there any package I need? |
| 15:45.36 | missmbob | apt search monospace has a few |
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| 15:46.41 | missmbob | if you're on stretch/unstable try #debian-next on oftc. that's their channel |
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| 15:48.02 | sigdk | missmbob, thanks |
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| 16:12.52 | Bozza | If i create a symlink from /media/1245451454/home/blabla.sh to a different location on the same media drive, will the symlink work if the media drive changes name? |
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| 16:15.11 | spacebug^ | if the '1245451454' path change the no. (If you are using full-path-symblinks). You could use insted use realtive path symlinks |
| 16:15.54 | Bozza | Spacebug^: i habe a debian OS mounted as an sd card |
| 16:16.13 | spacebug^ | if you have /media/1245451454/home/foo/bar/onefile.sh and want to link that to /media/1245451454/home/blabla.sh you say it links to ../../home/blabla.sh |
| 16:16.17 | Bozza | I want to create the symlink while my sd card is plugged into my big pc |
| 16:17.22 | sigdk | how can I rip off my current gvim and install a previous one? Seems there are problems with it |
| 16:17.48 | spacebug^ | Bozza: but you want the link to be on that same media drive? |
| 16:18.02 | Bozza | spacebug^: the debian OS on the sd card is supposed to work as root |
| 16:18.16 | Bozza | spacebug^: yes |
| 16:18.34 | Bozza | The sd card contains a debian os |
| 16:18.56 | Bozza | And the symlink is supposed to work on the OS inside the sd card |
| 16:19.11 | spacebug^ | then use realtive path |
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| 16:19.26 | Bozza | spacebug^: i am editing the sd card while it is mounted to /media/1242424/blabla |
| 16:20.19 | Bozza | spacebug^: thanks. I hope it works |
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| 16:21.48 | spacebug^ | Bozza: so, something like this: cd /my/new/path ; ln -s ../../path/to/myfile . |
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| 16:22.25 | Nik05 | When using the debian installer rescue mode, how can I download and use rescue packages? |
| 16:22.40 | Nik05 | looks like rescue mode only has busybox |
| 16:23.52 | Bozza | spacebug^: trying now |
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| 16:25.41 | Bozza | spacebug^: when I boot from the sd card there will be no /media/xxxx/ |
| 16:25.46 | Bozza | It will be just / |
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| 16:26.48 | Bozza | spacebug^: will that still work? |
| 16:27.51 | jt | ugh |
| 16:28.00 | spacebug^ | as long as you don't link to a dir outside /media/xxxx/ |
| 16:28.09 | jt | debian installer only recognise the USB key and NONE of the internal memory |
| 16:28.09 | BluesKaj | Nik05, have you tried running e2fsck |
| 16:28.11 | jt | what do I do? |
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| 16:34.20 | Nik05 | BluesKaj sorry thats not my question. |
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| 16:35.30 | Nik05 | abrotman are you here? yesterday you said to use rescue mode of the installer as a replacement of the rescue live cd. but doesnt look like rescue mode has any software |
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| 16:37.28 | spacebug^ | jt: card reader? |
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| 16:43.35 | Artox | \o everyone |
| 16:43.40 | Bozza | Hello |
| 16:44.02 | Artox | looking for some help in setting up a network bridge in the /etc/network/interfaces file, and ipv6 |
| 16:44.16 | Artox | so apparently my bridghe is working fine, but I only get ipv4 connectivity :/ |
| 16:45.16 | Artox | http://paste.debian.net/932300/ interfaces.d/bridge |
| 16:45.21 | Bozza | spacebug^: i copied the file into /lib/path. AND on the sd card i made the same exact path. I now made a symlink on the pc and just copied the symlink onto the sd card |
| 16:45.27 | Bozza | That should also work right? |
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| 16:46.08 | Bozza | So i basically made a mirror of the structure on the pc path. And just copied the symlink and path structure to sd card |
| 16:46.41 | Artox | and whenever I try to ping6 something I get connect: Network is unreachable |
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| 16:48.50 | spacebug^ | Bozza: I'm not sure about what you are trying to do |
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| 16:50.09 | sigdk | sudo service --status-all shows [ - ] mysql . Does this mean that mysql is installed but not running? Can it be that it is not installed at all? |
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| 17:03.33 | random_numbers | Is there a way to list only packages I have installed from backports and should I uninstall them before upgrading to stretch? |
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| 17:05.44 | hid3 | maybe dpkg -l | grep bpo? |
| 17:06.11 | hid3 | although I've never bothered uninstalling anything before an upgrade, though |
| 17:07.11 | missmbob | i dont have backports but maybe this would work for it too dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}' |sed 's/\s\s*/ /g' |awk '{printf "%-25s %-25s %-25s\n", $1, $2, $4}' (lists all repos. grep for backports) |
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| 17:07.49 | random_numbers | Did you just come up with that spontaneously? How? |
| 17:08.10 | missmbob | no. i save things |
| 17:09.33 | random_numbers | missmbob: Ah, alright, because I was pretty impressed. |
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| 17:10.04 | jhutchins | random_numbers: All backports these days should include "bpo", and should smoothly upgrade to a new release (that's one of the reasons for official backports). |
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| 17:10.42 | jhutchins | random_numbers: One of the complaints about Debian Multimedia is that there were, at one point, a few packages that didn't upgrade smoothly to the new official packages. |
| 17:10.53 | spacebug^ | random_numbers: you are either skilled, or you do as I do, try, get angry, read man, try again, get angry, google, try again, repeat a few times, succeed, print help and await applades :D |
| 17:11.15 | jhutchins | random_numbers: Which is ok with me, if I wanted dmm on wheezy I probably still want it on jessie. |
| 17:11.49 | random_numbers | Mhm. I just don't want to break my stuff critically like, no booting. If it boots and apt/dpkg works, it's fixable, whatever happens. |
| 17:12.17 | missmbob | if you dont have a *very* specific reason for dmm, dont use it |
| 17:13.15 | jhutchins | random_numbers: I've not heard of anyone having problems like that. |
| 17:13.28 | random_numbers | Yeah, I only use jessie-backports for stuff like... (running the line soonish) |
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| 17:13.41 | random_numbers | ffmpeg, weechat, calibre and emacs pacakges. |
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| 17:17.03 | random_numbers | That shouldn't break much. Thanks for the help. |
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| 17:58.54 | OtakuSenpai | are there any packages which document the posix headers like apra/inet.h in a detailed manner(besides the man pages) ? |
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| 18:02.26 | random_numbers | OtakuSenpai: I suspect that if there's no doc-package, you're out of luck for anything not like a separate download of "self-documenting" code. Hopefully there's an info page. |
| 18:02.59 | random_numbers | s/download of/download or/ |
| 18:03.01 | OtakuSenpai | im currently checking the man pages for dlopen and such |
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| 18:03.15 | OtakuSenpai | hope to get a headstart |
| 18:03.24 | random_numbers | dlopen is what you're looking for? |
| 18:03.30 | OtakuSenpai | yeah |
| 18:03.42 | OtakuSenpai | dynamic library handling to be precise |
| 18:04.37 | random_numbers | Well, I found this document: ((http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/index.html) 4. Dynamically Loaded (DL) Libraries) |
| 18:05.01 | OtakuSenpai | thnx |
| 18:05.12 | random_numbers | Hope that helps. |
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| 18:08.08 | Fheigo | [the  7   deadly   sins] 10.0 |
| 18:08.09 | Fheigo | [http://www.t7ds.com.br] Tão bonitinho. |
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| 18:42.09 | dubwoc | sense |
| 18:42.24 | leemar | Hello, anyone know the Linux kernel driver for the Gigabit ethernet port on an Apple MacBook Pro late-2006? Both sky2 and tg3 don't produce the interface.... |
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| 18:43.01 | teraflops | leemar: get the pciid and google it/ask the bot |
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| 18:46.48 | leemar | teraflops: I don't see the device with lspci or lsusb, so I can't get the pciid |
| 18:47.24 | teraflops | leemar: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToIdentifyADevice/PCI |
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| 18:52.36 | zykotick9 | leemar: you might want to check dmesg for any relavant messages (missing firmware?)? |
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| 18:54.02 | n4dir | at wiki.debian.org there are all kinds of pages about MacBook. Might be there some usefull info is to be found. |
| 18:54.25 | leemar | discover also only shows the WiFi interface and no ethernet.... zykotick9: only missing firmware relating to iSight camera |
| 18:56.10 | leemar | n4dir: I've spent time going thorough most of the debian wiki macbook related pages as well as internet searches... this model is late-2006 and does not have a specific page... |
| 18:56.29 | n4dir | ah, ok, sorry then. |
| 18:56.47 | leemar | n4dir: thank you for helping! |
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| 18:57.55 | n4dir | not sure if oswaldkelso (or similar) still visits forums.debian.net. He usually had good links or tips or such when it comes to apple hardware. Might be worth a try to make a thread there (perhaps he will run into it). |
| 18:58.37 | skunkz | Hi, I'm trying to get debian-8.8.0-armel to run on qemu on a mac os host, first is it possible, and if yes, do you have any idea what's wrong with this command? qemu-system-arm -m 256 -drive format=raw,file=debian-8.8.0-armel-xfce-CD-1.iso -M versatilepb |
| 19:03.46 | Spydar007 | Is there a way to live-patch kernel 4.9 from jessie-backports onto a server running jessie 8.8? |
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| 19:05.54 | jolt | Spydar007: live patch? 8.8 is running 3.16, so 4.9 is miles away from that |
| 19:06.08 | Spydar007 | right, right |
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| 19:06.37 | Spydar007 | will going from 3.16 to 4.9 work though? |
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| 19:07.34 | jolt | Spydar007: Yes, But a reboot is needed |
| 19:07.45 | Spydar007 | great, thanks |
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| 19:07.58 | Spydar007 | can jessie kernels be live-patched though |
| 19:08.28 | jolt | I don't think any default kernels can be live-patched, but I don't have to much experience in that area. |
| 19:08.38 | Spydar007 | obviously not that far, but is there a way to live-patch kernels for jessie? I haven't found anything that seems to suggest so |
| 19:09.12 | Spydar007 | apart from the fact that Stretch moves to 4.10 with "kpatch" |
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| 19:09.20 | jolt | I know there is some oracle extensions for live patching kernels, mainly used for VM hosts etc, but I haven't used em |
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| 19:10.27 | Fh31g0_BR | Who Java 8 running firefox mozilla? |
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| 19:12.52 | alt0id | hey |
| 19:13.08 | alt0id | can someone help me sort out some xorg issues? how do i paste logs again via cmdl? |
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| 19:13.36 | alt0id | i have an nvidia 210 and the drivers keep failing on me, wont register the monitor |
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| 19:18.19 | Fh31g0_BR | How to run java 8 in mozilla on linux? |
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| 19:19.39 | sonOfRa | Fh31g0_BR: the best bet is "don't" |
| 19:19.42 | sonOfRa | ~applets |
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| 19:20.02 | sonOfRa | oh, wrong channel. But in any case: The part of java that runs in browsers is effectively deprecated |
| 19:20.25 | Fh31g0_BR | sonOfRa Ok. Tanks |
| 19:21.06 | nkuttler | !tell Fh31g0_BR about java plugin |
| 19:21.24 | sonOfRa | There's https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/tools/unix/appletviewer.html if you have the applet, can be run without a browser. |
| 19:22.37 | Fh31g0_BR | sonOfRa thank you friend |
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| 19:34.55 | zykotick9 | alt0id: <sidenote re:pasting from terminal> one method, usually not requiring installing anything is to use termbin.com's site like "cat ~/some_file.txt | nc termbin.com 9999" best of luck with your xorg issue. |
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| 19:50.56 | Fh31g0_BR | is possible install debian persistent in pen driver? |
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| 19:51.42 | zykotick9 | Fh31g0_BR: personally, i'd just install onto a pen drive (but then you can't use it to install from)... |
| 19:51.43 | nkuttler | Fh31g0_BR: can you boot from it? then it's just a hd.. |
| 19:52.33 | Fh31g0_BR | GPARTED: create swap, ext4 |
| 19:52.33 | zykotick9 | finds running an OS from USB far to slow... but ymmv |
| 19:53.13 | LunaLovegood | Is there a .tar.gz file somewhere that contain a pre-installed minimal install Debian root filesystem? I tried installing using debootstrap, but it asks for Perl and I don't feel like trying to cross-compile Perl just so I can install a Debian that will probably contain it already. |
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| 19:53.50 | LunaLovegood | For arm64 btw |
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| 19:54.37 | random_numbers | LunaLovegood: You basically want a full dd-ready arm64 image of debian? |
| 19:54.54 | LunaLovegood | either an image or a tar file of the whole root fs |
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| 19:55.12 | LunaLovegood | if it's an image I'll just mount it loopback and copy the files over |
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| 19:55.45 | LunaLovegood | I'd customize the passwords and hostname and such later |
| 19:55.58 | random_numbers | https://wiki.debian.org/Arm64Port#Pre-built_Rootfses |
| 19:56.10 | LunaLovegood | ok cool thanks |
| 19:56.13 | random_numbers | Enjoy |
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| 20:15.40 | p0123 | When I installed debian with my external usb hdd plugged in it added this entry to fstab: https://pastebin.com/pejWVYer /dev/sdb1 /media/external ext3 rw,nosuid,nodev,default_permissions 0 0 |
| 20:15.57 | p0123 | unless i comment out the line my computer will not boot up and I have to log into safe admin mode |
| 20:16.24 | p0123 | it needs to be enabled for my dvr to work =[ |
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| 20:21.27 | zykotick9 | p0123: you could add noauto to the options, if it still use it occastionally |
| 20:22.04 | p0123 | im not sure what that implies, but it needs to turn on soon as service zoneminder starts |
| 20:22.12 | p0123 | hence using fstab |
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| 20:22.37 | p0123 | ah it needs to be mounted at boot |
| 20:23.13 | zykotick9 | p0123: is the sdb causing the problem? using uuid or labels would be better. |
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| 20:23.53 | p0123 | im going to try a uuid now good idea |
| 20:23.58 | p0123 | thanks |
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| 20:28.36 | p0123 | a start job is running for dev-disk-by/x2duuid- |
| 20:28.39 | p0123 | =[ |
| 20:28.42 | Quatroking | what do you suggest I mount a 2nd drive as during install? |
| 20:28.44 | p0123 | not again |
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| 20:29.42 | p0123 | depdence failed for /mediaexternal |
| 20:30.00 | p0123 | dependency failed for local file systems |
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| 20:30.03 | p0123 | meh |
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| 20:51.54 | p0123 | ugh im clueless |
| 20:52.06 | p0123 | UUID mounting doesnt work |
| 20:52.18 | p0123 | a start job is running for dev-disk-by\ |
| 20:53.07 | p0123 | the uuid is correct... |
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| 20:53.30 | p0123 | depedency failed for /media/external |
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| 20:53.54 | p0123 | dependency ffaield for local file systems |
| 20:53.57 | p0123 | -failed |
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| 20:54.42 | missmbob | i live here, so shut up |
| 20:55.41 | Bozza | Hehe |
| 20:58.16 | p0123 | http://paste.debian.net/932334 |
| 20:58.25 | p0123 | is my fdisk -l |
| 21:02.00 | p0123 | http://paste.debian.net/932336 is my fstab |
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| 21:03.55 | p0123 | http://paste.debian.net/932337 is my journalctl -xb |
| 21:04.00 | p0123 | that's everything |
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| 21:04.57 | p0123 | the issue logs at line 877 |
| 21:05.07 | AlexPortable | How do I change the timezone? |
| 21:05.20 | AlexPortable | Local time is now: 21:04, universal time is now: 19:04 |
| 21:05.35 | AlexPortable | While it's 23:05 here |
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| 21:07.41 | missmbob | !timezone |
| 21:07.41 | dpkg | A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "service postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
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| 21:13.38 | p0123 | geez i type mount /media/external and it cant find the drive with the UUID clearly listed in fdisk -l |
| 21:13.41 | p0123 | wtf is going on |
| 21:15.25 | AlexPortable | missmbob: yes i reconfigured it with dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 21:15.32 | AlexPortable | the output i posted was the result of that |
| 21:15.59 | missmbob | so fix utc in your bios |
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| 21:17.32 | AlexPortable | oh its a bios problem |
| 21:18.05 | dvs | AlexPortable, it's depends on what you want to set your BIOS clock set to: UTC or local time. |
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| 21:19.46 | oerheks | AlexPortable, it might be a windows issue, https://www.howtogeek.com/211144/how-to-get-windows-and-linux-clocks-to-display-the-correct-and-matching-time-dual-boot/ |
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| 21:23.53 | AlexPortable | thanks |
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| 21:44.11 | p0123 | https://serverfault.com/questions/849961/usb-external-hard-drive-will-not-mount-on-boot |
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| 23:34.20 | dodo | what's the IRC channel name for Stretch? |
| 23:34.47 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 23:34.47 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:35.34 | dodo | well I didn't read that. |
| 23:35.38 | dodo | thanks |
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| 23:39.50 | Mr | greetings all |
| 23:40.48 | bodeezl | hey howdy hey |
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| 23:41.58 | Mr | I am looking around for good examples of pros/cons to installing with a true root user account or no account and letting system install sudo. Any ideas on scenario where one way is better than other? |
| 23:42.46 | missmbob | not really. no root with sudo is the default |
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| 23:44.59 | zykotick9 | Mr: personally, if it's a single admin system - i think using root makes the most sense. ymmv. |
| 23:45.38 | missmbob | it's like asking lxde vs xfce. no one but you cares |
| 23:46.49 | Mr | hmm good to know mssmbob. I am breaking up with windows. I'm done, I see the penguin light now. |
| 23:47.21 | zykotick9 | missmbob: actually... i don't think that's true. "old school" *nix wisdom teaches us that "becoming root" = responsibilities... but sudo muddies those water IMO... it's not as simple as "start an editor war" or "start a DE war" IMO... |
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| 23:47.47 | missmbob | oh so old school vs new school isn't personal opinion? |
| 23:48.20 | missmbob | just like this discussion, it's pointless |
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| 23:48.44 | zykotick9 | missmbob: i question if a "new school" wisdom can exist... wisdom take time... |
| 23:48.51 | FinalX | sudo still gives a true root account. |
| 23:49.01 | FinalX | sudo -s # just gives you a root shell. |
| 23:49.21 | zykotick9 | thought it was "sudo -i"? |
| 23:49.52 | FinalX | -i gives a login shell, -s does not |
| 23:49.59 | Mr | FinalX, is it safe to say if you are not going to be doing lots of admin duties, sudo is like "admin lite" perhaps? |
| 23:50.09 | FinalX | no, quite the opposite |
| 23:50.14 | Mr | ahh |
| 23:50.37 | FinalX | I think sudo nowadays is highly dangerous as many users simply copy/paste lines prefixed with sudo from random sites without knowing what the heck they're actually doing. |
| 23:50.52 | zykotick9 | FinalX: +1 |
| 23:50.55 | FinalX | sudo in itself is a wonderful thing, when used correctly |
| 23:51.28 | FinalX | you can use sudo, for example, to limit what users can execute as root. |
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| 23:52.01 | Mr | I see |
| 23:52.04 | zykotick9 | if admin = >1, sudo is the answer. as it logs better. |
| 23:52.16 | FinalX | for instance, at work, all our admins use pam to sudo with one-time passwords to become root, without having to type or know the actual root password of the machine. we pretty much only use the actual root password for emergencies on the shell through remote console when networking is unavailable on the machine. |
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| 23:53.00 | FinalX | it also enables us to give our application adminstrators that don't need full root access, the ability to (re)start/stop processes or look into log files without having to have a full set of root privs |
| 23:53.10 | FinalX | (as you can limit commands users can execute as root through sudo) |
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| 23:54.24 | FinalX | also in contrast to what I said earlier, if you don't copy/paste but actually type sudo yourself because you know you need to execute a specific command as root, it can greatly help avoid making dangerous mistakes that could affect the entire machine. |
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| 23:54.55 | Voldenet | Yeah, super user should be used "for one or two commands" and not for a session |
| 23:54.58 | zykotick9 | FinalX: i'd disagree with that statement, but ymmv... |
| 23:55.24 | Voldenet | in fact, one should completely aim to avoid using super user, groups are powerful enough |
| 23:55.35 | FinalX | I don't use sudo like that, I often need to do a shitton of stuff as root on machines, otherwise I wouldn't even be on the machine, as I need to debug why the machine isn't functioning properly |
| 23:55.36 | zykotick9 | FinalX: i think "sudo" leads to sloppy admining... |
| 23:56.02 | Voldenet | but some software /requires root/ (which is an easy way around managing some resources) |
| 23:56.44 | FinalX | (having to type sudo becomes very cumbersome if you have to do it a dozen times in a row) |
| 23:57.16 | Voldenet | the real question is "why do you even need to run as super user" |
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| 23:57.38 | Voldenet | I mean you could set up most of systemd services to run as specific users |
| 23:57.44 | Voldenet | and so on |
| 23:58.47 | FinalX | sure, but try setting that up for every single server and every single account every time for over a thousand servers with a bunch of legacy servers is a pain. and most need ports below 1024. sure you can find ways around that as well, but why bother. |
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| 23:59.29 | FinalX | each user has its own environment as well, simply dealing with groups is not enough |
| 23:59.40 | Voldenet | ^ that's why most admins don't care about security |
| 23:59.46 | Voldenet | because they don't have that kind of time :D |
| 23:59.54 | Voldenet | or rather, they just set up sudo |
| 23:59.58 | Voldenet | as an easy way out of this |