IRC log for #debian on 20170514

00:00.01FinalXhas got very little to do with security
00:00.41Voldeneteh, really, running commands as another user "has got very little to do with security"?
00:00.47FinalXno.
00:01.02FinalXit does.
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00:01.43MrFinalX, to me it is sounding like if you are on a personal machine [as me] not users/clients to manage,, as long as responsible it's not bad for home machine to just skip root setup at install and go sudo
00:01.58FinalXbut there's a big difference in setting up applications to run as a specific user and making sure that they do, and *how* you are controlling those applications.
00:02.10missmbob!chat
00:02.10dpkgThis is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel.  Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
00:02.37VoldenetOh, that's true - in fact, most apps just use systemd instead of systemd --user
00:03.07VoldenetLike nginx, i guess it requires su because of <1024 ports in use
00:03.21Voldenetmeh, --> #debian-offtopic
00:03.21FinalXMr: go with what works best for you. keep in mind that very often passwords of users can be used to log in remotely through ssh, and then if you have sudo enabled to become root and that password leaks, they immediately have root, too. So at least disable password authentication to login with remotely; use key pairs instead.
00:04.01FinalXJust make sure you understand the implications of what you do, then neither option is bad.
00:04.10MrFinalx: great to know, i have better idea of pros/cons
00:04.21VoldenetMr, FinalX --> #debian-offtopic
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00:10.04MrVoldemort, FinalX was very supportive. Time to run now though. till next time..
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00:35.13*** topic/#debian is Debian Stretch frozen 2017-02-05; /msg dpkg stretch freeze; /msg dpkg jessie->stretch; /msg dpkg install stretch | Stable: Debian Jessie /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg 8.8; /msg dpkg install jessie | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog
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00:38.02Dragon64Good Evening Team!
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01:07.20kdogI've been using nagios for years for simple monitoring and just came across Zabbix. Anyone have experience with it they'd like to share? Easier, better, more dev going on?
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01:12.06dindianlol after painful mind crunching i finally got my nvidia driver prooerly working
01:12.54dindianso jessie is up and running now all i have to do is customize it to my liking
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01:40.36VentGreyHello World
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01:47.22Canucktuxhey VentGrey
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01:57.09VentGreyDarn it xD everytime i package the MATE Desktop a new update comes out :c
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02:13.38dindianlol
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02:36.30blastwaveis there still a chan for PowerPC type users ? there was one .. called debianppc ?
02:36.53blastwaveyes .. off I go ..
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02:40.41Abbottis there a way to setup ssh to work on installtion media ahead of time? the machine I am hoping to install debian on does not have functioning vga out right now
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02:44.35missmbobhttps://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole
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03:17.12somiajAbbott: you have to write a preseed if you want to have no interaction. A preseed I believ can launch the NetworkConsole missmbob linked
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03:49.02missmbob(the link includes preseed instructions)
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04:22.02hurdosHello
04:23.39hurdosI see in debian/rules this code:
04:23.39hurdos# Enable ZTS build if $(DEB_SOURCE) ends with -zts
04:23.39hurdosZTS=$(shell echo $(DEB_SOURCE) | sed 's/php$(PHP_MAJOR_VERSION).$(PHP_MINOR_VERSION)//')
04:23.39hurdosifeq ($(ZTS),-zts)
04:23.39hurdos$(warning Enabling ZTS build)
04:23.39hurdosCONFIGURE_ZTS        := --enable-maintainer-zts
04:23.39hurdosendif
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04:25.22hurdosThe question, what is DEB_SOURCE? Is it some path?
04:26.42themillcontext would help
04:27.33hurdosI see it in debian/rules of php source package
04:28.00hurdoshttps://kopy.io/TUiLL
04:28.25themillthere is no 'php' source package
04:28.46themilltries to find it
04:28.55hurdosI know, but debian building should be the same
04:29.15themillyou're asking me to tell you about stuff you're not showing me
04:29.51hurdoshere is https://packages.sury.org/php/
04:30.58themillin php7.0/7.0.14-2/debian/rules, DEB_SOURCE is the source package name
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04:31.34themill(context helps... I needed to see the whole Makefile to find the definition, not just where it is used)
04:34.27hurdosso, I should change dir from 'php7.1-7.1.5' to 'php7.1-7.1.5-zts', right?
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04:36.18themillsource package != directory
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04:36.56hurdosthemill: what should I change?
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04:43.08themillhurdos: the package name is in d/control
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04:43.48hurdosthemill: source tag?
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04:47.51hurdosit says that appeared conflict :(
04:48.33hurdosdpkg-source: error: the package with the source code contains two conflicting values: php7.1-zts and php7.1
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04:58.56Mathisenwhat does the topic mean by " Stretch frozen 2017-02-05 "
05:00.12Mathisennevermind google told me, so this means 9.0 is coming soon ?
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05:08.30solrizethere's no ETA
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05:15.54Mathisenokej
05:18.11Mathisenso does this also mean i can upgrade to testing without to mutch hassle now ?
05:18.35Mathisenand then when 9.0 is relased just change repo ?
05:19.23missmbobis you use stretch as the repo name you wont have to change anything. and stretch doesnt have security support right now
05:19.33missmbobs/is/if
05:20.08Mathisenokej
05:20.11Mathisenthx for the info
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05:49.33QuatrokingI'm trying to set up samba but it's refusing to start the daemon and when I try to add samba users it gives me "Can't load /etc/samba/smb.conf - run testparm to debug it"
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05:50.04Quatrokingthe file is there
05:50.40Quatrokingwhen trying to start the daemon it tells me "Failed to start LSB: start Samba SMB/CIFS daemon (smbd)."
05:51.06Quatrokingjournalctl tells me there are no journals
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05:53.56MathisenQuatroking, systemctl start smbd.service ?
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05:54.46Quatrokingnope
05:54.53Mathisennope ?
05:55.18QuatrokingTells me the job failed and to check the status
05:55.40Quatrokingand the status literally just says that it failed and to check the journals, which don't exist
05:55.45Mathisencan you pastebin full command and response pls
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05:56.20Mathisenand the only thing you did before was to install samba samba-common right ?
05:57.06QuatrokingYep
05:57.09Quatrokinghttps://pastebin.com/iJDJmUek
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05:59.35QuatrokingOh what the hell there's no smb.conf
05:59.51Mathisenyou should atleast have a smb.conf.bak
05:59.55Mathisenif this is fresh installed
06:00.30QuatrokingI copied over smb.conf from /usr/share/samba/smb.conf, that seemed to do the trick
06:00.37Quatrokingweird
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06:01.28Mathisenok but it is running now then ?
06:01.42QuatrokingYeah
06:01.53Mathisennice nice
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07:42.16molluskempireI'm trying to figure out why Wicd suddenly says no wireless networks found after being connected. My router is on and transmitting just fine.
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08:12.49Cl0udN9necan anyone tell me the output meaning of this?
08:13.04Cl0udN9neMem:           3418         662         701          16        2054        2460
08:13.18Cl0udN9ne<PROTECTED>
08:13.44Cl0udN9nedoes it mean tht 662 is the actual used ram in my computer?
08:14.37Cl0udN9neconky is telling me tht 2.82gb is used out of 3.4 gb
08:15.22SwedeMikeCl0udN9ne: http://www.linuxnix.com/find-ram-size-in-linuxunix/
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08:19.46Cl0udN9neso is conky wrong?
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08:23.12MolluskEmpireWicd seems to be failing to pick up wireless signals. Wired connection is functional and the wifi is definitely broadcasting. Does anyone know what the issue may be? (I asked this a bit ago but lost connection and moved devices)
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08:45.00MolluskEmpireI ran ifconfig down and ifconfig up to restart it manually rather than through the gui and it seems to have solved the issue though I am still curious as to why a refresh on the gui itself and a system restart didn't solve the issue.
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09:00.25jellyCl0udN9ne: it's wrong and it's not wrong... the "available" value is more important than the "used" one.
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09:00.54jellyCl0udN9ne: see linuxatemyram.com
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10:30.03PepeGuys can somebody help me with UEFI? I m asking here four times but no one gives a fuck:-)
10:30.34PepeI have Asrock Q1900 - ITX. I downloaded multi arch ISO. But Uefi still doesnt work. When I succesfully installs it it wants proper boot media.. :/
10:30.49Pepeotherwise when  I installed also GRUB with UEFI installation.. Grub works. Uefi doesnt.
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10:34.35abrotmanhow did you prepare the ISO?
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10:35.41PepeThrough Rufus
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10:39.17abrotmanWTF is Rufus?
10:39.47Cl0udN9ne!win32diskimager
10:39.47dpkgwin32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ .  Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images.  See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details.
10:39.50bazhang3rd party software to write iso to usb
10:40.10bazhangwindows tool afaict
10:40.17abrotmanyeah, don't do that.  It probably breaks things the same way unetbootin does
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10:46.29BluesKajHi folks
10:46.53synaps3hi
10:49.55MrBarPepe, disable UEFI in bios
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10:53.37PepeMrBar thats not solution for me when I want UEFI
10:53.49PepeAbrotman I also tried win32diskimager, but same
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10:54.43MrBarnobody wants UEFI
10:54.49PepeSaid who? :D
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10:57.12SlaSerXany have a ipv6 mail server ?
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11:11.24abrotmanwell, he left, but many .. oh well
11:11.32abrotmanPepe: same what?
11:12.37PepeWith Rufus or also with win32diskimager I can boot into UEFI installation. After I installed it succesfully and when I want boot OS, which I installed through UEFI. I cant. It says insert proper boot media
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11:15.15PepeW10, Ubuntu works, but Debian isnt
11:16.35abrotmanI've done UEFI with Jessie, it does work
11:18.32PepeDid you try it with Intel Bay Trail? Which  want 32 bit UEFI, but system can run on 64 bit?
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11:20.24abrotmanThis laptop is maybe a year old?
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11:24.31Pepe2 yrs old
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11:26.17Pepeand its not laptop
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11:30.55BluesKajI thought I made a mistake wiping gpt and uefi off my 2013 vintage laptopa few weeks after I received it, now those regrets are gone :-)
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11:34.29LankanGuyhii, im using raspbian, and where can i find the httpd.conf in it?
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11:36.53TomG2!raspian
11:36.53dpkgRaspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>.  Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian.  Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.   http://www.raspbian.org/
11:36.57TomG2sorry
11:37.23abrotmanPepe: try using the amd64 iso, not thte multiarch
11:37.46PepeI tried also this one
11:37.48Pepenothing works
11:38.13poorrickWhy is openvpn telling me that I must define a CA file even though I have a unified client profile?
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11:41.57TomG2dpkg, uefi?
11:41.57dpkgUnified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface.  Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported.  http://www.uefi.org/
11:42.12TomG2there's also wiki.debian.org/UEFI i think
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11:46.52mvaenskaecheers :) just doing another VM install to have a clean setup after toying around a lot -- i was curious as to what the "debian desktop environment" in the installer refers to
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11:48.50mvaenskaeand if it refers to gnome, then why have an option to install gnome "again"?
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11:51.13TomG2mvaenskae, i have no idea
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11:51.47TomG2and yes, i think debian means gnome when it says default debian desktop environment
11:52.04BluesKajyes it does
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11:52.51BluesKajthat's why i chose kde :-)
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11:54.26TomG2very funny :)
11:55.02BluesKajshrugs , if you think it is
11:56.10BluesKajnever been a gnome fan ...kde reminds of MS windows without the MS BS
11:56.53abrotmanmvaenskae: depending on the image you use, there can be many sub-options
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12:01.04PepeTomG2: from that page I know that I should download multiarch iso
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12:11.39MrBarjelly, nowhere, just unmount and unload module cant detect it
12:12.40MrBarjelly, zfs currently on linux (in debian) not show self cache in cached+buffers
12:13.11MrBarjelly, not sure feature it or bug
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12:16.50sjkHow am I supposed to install a not ancient version of pip on Debian Jessie?
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12:17.22sjkThe python-pip package installs an ancient version. I can install that and then pip install -U pip, but that will leave the old version of pip installed because it is "owned by the os"
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12:19.54MrBarsjk,  use virtualenv and upgrade pip and setuptools in venv
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12:22.47TomG2you can deinstall the original pip i guess and just use the new one
12:23.08sjkMrBar: i usually do that (for django development etc). But this time i need pip to install a script that should be available to all users (or well, actually just one)
12:23.16abrotmanthought you could use pip to upgrade pip ?
12:23.31sjkbut with a virtualenv that user would have to "workon <whatever>" before running the script, which is a bit of a hassle
12:23.48sjkTomG2: hm, let's see
12:23.49MrBarsjk, stable debian not too uptodate u know
12:24.20TomG2what abrotman said...
12:24.25sjkMrBar: i know. thinking there must be a bunch of python users running stable, just curious how they do it :)
12:24.26jellyTomG2: that's insane, don't touch OS components
12:24.34TomG2is it possible to upgrade pip and then ...
12:24.43TomG2i didn't know pip was an essential OS component
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12:24.54jellyit's _very_ possible to upgrade pip in a virtualenv.
12:25.12MrBarpython is essential
12:25.59MrBarpip can upgrade self
12:26.12sjkjelly: so, to install a script, i'd install python-pip, pip upgrade pip in a virtualenv, pip install my script in that virtualenv and then always have to activate that virtualenv in order to use the script?
12:26.28jellyright
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12:27.31MrBaru can delete python-pip, and put latest in /opt
12:27.32sjkjelly: so, if I'd like to make the program available to multiple users, like throwing it in /usr/bin/ or similar, I'm better of coding it in C instead?
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12:28.08jellysjk: it's not that hard to make a wrapper for a venv.
12:28.23jellyand put your custom stuff under /usr/local, not /usr
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12:30.41MrBarand rewrite in C always good idea
12:30.44jellysjk: and if your other option is coding, you can still code it in python
12:30.55jellylooks at MrBar
12:31.16MrBarC not too bad
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12:32.08sjkjelly: i did code the script. It's a set of modules + setup.py with CLI entry points. I'm just looking for a way to easily deploy this to a number of machines.
12:32.21sjkjelly: I was hoping to just be able to pip install git://...
12:32.51jellyI have no idea how hard it is to make a .deb for python code
12:33.12sjkMe neither, i've never createde any debs
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12:35.22TomTomTo1sjk: and trying this with the version in jessie failed?
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12:35.47TomTomTo1the one in jessie has vcs support.
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12:38.29MrBarsjk, purge python-pip then https://pip.pypa.io/en/stable/installing/
12:38.48MrBarsjk, https://bootstrap.pypa.io/get-pip.py
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12:50.21Cl0udN9ne,v tor
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13:04.25de-factoGuys I want to install Mathematica which comes with a .sh script installer, ewww. Can I somehow make a .deb out of this prior to installing it?
13:04.34LankanGuyhi, i mount a usb, /dev/sda5       /media/usbhdd   ntfs    uid=pi,gid=pi     0       0,  i can read the file but cant write it, where did I went wrong? :)
13:05.17RebelCoderguys, I just can't find Debian 9 ISO ....
13:05.23missmbobto write to ntfs you need to use ntfs-3g, not the kernel ntfs
13:05.24RebelCodercan anyone link it please ?
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13:05.53zigshttps://wiki.debian.org/NTFS
13:06.13missmbobRebelCoder: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
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13:07.21de-factoRebelCoder, something like this in /etc/fstab might work:   UUID=<put result of "ls -Al /dev/disk/by-uuid">   /mnt/TheDiskName    ntfs-3g    rw,noauto,nls=iso8859-1,permissions,users,exec,fmask=000,dmask=000    0    0
13:07.55missmbobdont copy/paste because there's extra characters there your irc client may not be showing you
13:08.06LankanGuyso it will be, /dev/sda5       /media/usbhdd   ntfs-3g    uid=pi,gid=pi     0       0, or do i need to add rw as well?
13:08.28missmbobadd rw
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13:09.50Quatrokingyesterday during install i accidentally made /home 30GB and / 700GB
13:09.58Quatrokingcan I still fix this or do I have to reinstall?
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13:10.57QuatrokingI was thinking about grabbing gparted and and resizing the partitions
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13:11.18nkuttler,v bluez-utils
13:11.19juddPackage: bluez-utils on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.99-2
13:11.31nkuttler!bluetooth
13:11.31dpkgBluetooth is a wireless communications protocol (http://bluetooth.com/), about as secure as shouting.  aptitude install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root.  http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser  http://wiki.debian.org/Bluetooth/Alsa .  For support of Qualcomm Atheros devices, ask me about <ath3k>.  See also <btusb>.
13:11.36LankanGuythis is what i got now, /dev/sda5       /mnt/usb   ntfs-3g rw,uid=pi,gid=pi     0       0
13:11.37LankanGuystill cant write it :(
13:11.42nkuttlerthat seems outdated
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13:18.23danhi
13:18.45Quatrokinghey
13:18.50LankanGuyI tryed , /dev/sda5       /mnt/usb   ntfs-3g defaults     0       0
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13:24.44dvsLankanGuy, instead of "defaults", use "rw,user,noauto" ?
13:24.55missmbobubuntu wiki says this should work for rw: UUID=519CB82E5888AD0F  /media/Data  ntfs-3g  defaults,windows_names,locale=en_US.utf8  0 0
13:25.03sashimimorning/evening. I'm trying to figure out why my bluetooth keyboard only works the seco nd time I connect it. I can see from the udev events that it's not treated as a keyboard the first time it's connected, only the second time. here's the paste https://paste.debian.net/hidden/05c6e593/ . Any clues would be useful, I don't know much about udev but I figured it might point something out
13:25.06missmbobof course replace UUID
13:25.38missmbobLankanGuy: are you rebooting? or umount/mount?
13:26.15sashimientries 2,3,4 is me turning off bluetooth from the gnome widget, then there's the reconnect and the keyboard setup
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13:33.41poseidhello i was doing a dist upgrade from wheezy to jessie, and i get now an "oh no! something has gone wrong"
13:33.56poseidbut when i press "log out" i come back to this screen again
13:34.06poseidmaybe it is the gnome config file which i did not update... =
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13:34.30poseidbut how can i debug this, and what to do (cold restart, key combination to enter console mode, ... ) ?
13:36.15jellyposeid: Ctrl-Alt-F1 ought to get you to the text console
13:37.10poseidok
13:37.51poseidhmm.. maybe there is something with the display driver? i see cannot open display default display..
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13:38.47missmbobmy guess is you're using fglrx which in jessie isnt compatible with gnome
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13:39.51poseidin /var/log/messages i dont see any errors or problems
13:40.09missmbob!fglrx
13:40.09dpkgfglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD Radeon R9 200 series, Radeon R7 200 series, Radeon HD 8000/7000/6000/5000 and FirePro graphic processing units.  To install fglrx, see https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary or ask me about <fglrx dkms>.  This driver is incompatible with the GNOME desktop of Debian 8 "Jessie" due to lack of EGL support (ref. §5.11 <jessie release notes>), use the <radeon> driver instead.
13:40.41poseidyes, indeed it is an amd64 machine with radion gfx chip
13:40.51missmbobi win
13:41.37poseidthanks, i ll try that deb repo and driver install
13:41.56missmbobradeon is on the main repo
13:42.01zigs3d graphics is kind of terrible with amd cards
13:42.07poseidfor future laptops, what would be good combination for gfx chips and main cpu?
13:42.31poseidthe gfx driver problem is coming up everytime i get an old/new laptop and install debian there
13:42.35zigsnvidia with intel/ryzen
13:42.37missmbobradeon driver is great. you can still use amd
13:43.32zigsno amd card comes close to nvidia cards on linux
13:43.54missmbobyou usually dont have an option for laptops
13:44.52Edenthe newer cards do, but you need amdgpu, linux 4.11+, llvm 3.9, mesa 17
13:45.49zigswith nvidia you only need to download their driver off the website
13:46.03missmbobhorrible advice. no one should do that
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13:46.18zigsif you want the latest
13:46.45missmbobif you want to break debian
13:47.37zigsthat's why you backup your x11
13:47.52BluesKajzigs, don't tell users to use the nvidia site drivers, after the next kernel update your sytem will break due to lack of driver support
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13:55.57rattatoueI am trying to get AirPrint setup with my cups, but I am having issues. My device can see the printer and let me print, but the job never starts in Cups. I can't find a log to see any errors that might be causing it.
13:56.04fx-!! URGENCY !! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N26Qc1KAUU
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13:57.48BluesKaj*fx- if you want urgent help , don't post urls , tell us your problem
13:58.21fx-Title: Los Cedros: An Urgent Call-to-Action
13:58.26teraflopsfx-: also do not spam the entire freenode
13:58.44fx-sorry, its urgent for this planet
13:58.59fx-i dont care if i break some channel rules
13:59.33rattatoueIs there a way to view logs for avahi-daemon?
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14:00.29teraflopsrattatoue: I already told you so
14:00.33teraflopsjournalctl
14:00.48petn-randallfx-: There are many urgent issues on this planet, and they're all off-topic in here unless it's a Debian support question. Luckily, there are many channels where it's not off-topic. Try those.
14:00.50rattatoueteraflops, that doesnt show anything about avahi though
14:00.59teraflopsrattatoue: use sudo
14:01.13teraflopsrattatoue: or add your user to the related group
14:01.31poseidgraphics looks smoother now but unsure if this was the full issue
14:01.38poseidgnome is still halting with oh no...
14:01.52BluesKaj*fx- following the rules will get you some help, otherwise you'll just be ignored
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14:02.35rattatoueteraflops, still not seeing any error, so thought maybe there was another log I was missing. This is why I like android more, wouldnt have to deal with all this lol
14:02.36teraflopsrattatoue: `sudo journalctl -u avahi-daemon` works in debian jessie
14:02.49rattatoueteraflops, ill try that thanks
14:03.09teraflopsrattatoue: you dont see any errors or you do not see anything?
14:03.44teraflopsif you do not have errors there but there is output I misread your issue
14:03.48rattatoueteraflops, any errors, its as if it doesn't do anything when I hit print. Cups has no error, avahi has no errors
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14:06.26tgagreetings
14:07.04James123I have a bash script that has: find "$1" -name *"$2"*. How can I prevent shell wildcard expansion in *"$2"*? Trying '*"$2"*' does not allow the interpretation of "$2"... any ideas?
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14:07.19tgaI want to grab all files in a dir recursively and mv them into date dirs, deleting duplicates and appending an index to different files with the same name
14:07.35tgado you know of any tool that would make this easy, so I don't have to duct tape it together in the shell?
14:07.53tgaknowing myself I'll make a typo somewhere and rm half my files
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14:12.17jellytga: well for one thing you can experiment by making a separate tree and do ln instead of mv
14:12.46jellyif you're on a sane filesystem type that has hardlinks (ie. not ntfs or fat)
14:13.22tgayeah, it's just a bit difficult to make sure I haven't screwed anything up with a lot of files
14:13.22jellyJames123: just put those * inside ""
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14:14.35tgais there a file util like rsync that would help with doing stuff like that?
14:15.36tgafor example cp/mv x y that would keep both files if they're not identical
14:16.05MrBarhi, i update my memory analyser https://github.com/acrixl/bug-free-memory     it nice if someone test it
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14:33.29Eduard_Munteanutga, rsync has the --backup option
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14:47.04smharI have a laptop with debian jessie installed. recently I also installed stretch on another partition, both now share the same swap partition. But now, when I boot into jessie, the system hangs for very long time. I tried rescue mode and fund that it hangs on this line:
14:47.30smharBegin: Running /scripts/local-premount ...
14:48.03smharI enter root password and I am able to proceed to X normally
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14:48.13smharwhat could be the issue?
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15:25.59tgaEduard_Munteanu: thanks, so far rsync is the closest thing to what I need
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15:29.01CorinMy displayport isn't working. Is there anything I'm supposed to install to get it to work?
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15:37.43BluesKajCorin,  which gpu and driver?
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15:50.38n8w1nghey
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15:50.42n8w1ngdo u guys know what to do about this pulseaudio error: module-detect is deprecated: Please use module-udev-detect instead of module-detect!
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15:53.33missmbobn8w1ng: see if this does it load-module module-udev-detect ignore_dB=1
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15:54.44missmbob(in /etc/pulse/default.pa)
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15:56.58donatasDebian 8.7 xfce how do I install language pack? Can not find package language-pack-xx (xx language)
15:57.30towo`language pack for what?
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15:57.49teraflopsdonatas: xfce is not FireFox...
15:57.53donatasfor UI
15:58.09towo`xfce does not use any language pack
15:58.15petn-randalldonatas: Ask your real question.
15:58.17donatashow do you set then ?
15:58.27towo`it starts in the language, which is set as default language
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15:59.10donatasok. So how do you change default language ?
15:59.28towo`donatas, dpkg-reconfigure loacales
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15:59.52missmbobspelled correctly, of course
15:59.54n8w1ngmissmbob: hmm doesnt seem to work
16:00.02donatasDo I need to worry about env variables, not really sure what these are for ?
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16:00.05missmbobn8w1ng: did you restart pulse?
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16:00.45n8w1ngmissmbob:  fcourse
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16:01.36n8w1ngmissmbob:  it didnt get started...
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16:02.29n8w1ngmissmbob: i did: pulseaudio --dump-modules n the module-udev-detect is not there
16:02.51n8w1ngmissmbob: i mean it is not listed among other modules
16:02.59donatasoh. I do not need variables configured, so please disregard :) Found explanation on debian site
16:03.22missmbobn8w1ng: then you're not using debian
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16:04.26sonion_missboob: should we hang him?
16:04.37donataswhat this command # export LANG=es_ES.UTF-8 suppose to do ?
16:04.57donatasdo I need to use it if I use dpkg ?
16:05.13missmbobsonion_: channel policy is only debian support. he can go to wherever his distro belongs
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16:06.17n8w1ngmissmbob: ye i get what u mean...sry, i just though the issues is a bit less distro specific
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16:06.24sonion_sets a LANG variable to unicode espanola
16:06.24posAnyone have *any* idea at all what can cause a LUKS volume and keyfile not to work on one system but work just fine on another?
16:07.08sonion_donatas: ^^   what does   locale  give   it should already be set on your system
16:07.38sonion_pos: permissions?
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16:08.18rattatouealright I give lol, been at trying to get this printer to AirPrint for almost two weeks. Ill just fold and go buy a one with compatibility. This is causing me a headache. Thanks for the help guys
16:08.19possonion_, i've tried as locally logged-in root on both
16:09.15n8w1ngmissmbob: n thx for your help...gotta stick with *buntu channels:)
16:09.17sonion_rattatoue: what does  cat file > /dev/lp0  do?
16:09.41sonion_pos: what is the errors?
16:10.03rattatouesonion_, permission denied
16:10.24teclo-rattatoue: I thought gettin AirPrint to work with "any printer" on Debian GNU/Linux was possible
16:10.28sonion_are your root?
16:10.33teclo-rattatoue: there should be some resources about that
16:10.35possonion_, no key is available using this passphrase
16:10.37sonion_check permissions of /dev/lp0
16:10.38rattatouesonion_, normal user
16:10.52donatasjust used it dpkg, have to log out and log it to check if it works
16:10.54teclo-basically AirPrint uses standard technologies such as mDNS, PDF, Zeroconf
16:10.57sonion_no such thing as a normal user
16:11.16rattatoueteclo-, there are a lot of resources avaliable, but I have been through 10 pages on google. Even arch linux pages. Reinstalled a few times and still it just doesn't print.
16:11.35rattatoueWell to be more specific, I send the print from my Ipad and it never appears in CUPS active job.
16:11.47rattatouesonion_, I am not under root, but I can switch to it
16:12.32teclo-with cups
16:12.44teclo-sonion_: no, AirPrint doesn't use /dev/lp0 ;)
16:12.59possonion_, re: /dev/lp0 <--- for me?
16:13.05possonion_, i doubt it :)
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16:14.11sonion_so this airprint thing is wireless? or usb ?  unlike my epson mx80 connected to /dev/lp0
16:14.15donatasDebian just started to talk in my native language, which as great :) Thanks for help
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16:14.38rattatouesonion_, the printer is connect with usb and installed with hplip
16:14.43teclo-sonion_: it's wireless
16:14.58teclo-sonion_: using pdf, cups, zeroconf, and mdns over tcp/ip
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16:16.36sonion_is the driver installed for this magic usb wireless printer?
16:16.46teclo-sonion_: it's not usb
16:17.21teclo-sonion_: you just need a cups server with the driver for the printer
16:18.01teclo-AirPrint works with "any AirPrint compatible printer" so AirPrint does not require any driver
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16:20.48sonion_he said it was usb
16:21.24rattatouesonion_, its hooked up to the machine by usb, but I am trying to print to it through AirPrint
16:21.28rattatouefrom my Ipad
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16:23.34rattatoueIf it helps, I just did lp -p file, on the box and it is printing just fine. So the printer works
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16:25.22sonion_rattatoue: good - can you ping the ip of the printer?
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16:25.42sonion_(tcp/ip is working)
16:25.42rattatouesonion_, yes
16:25.59rattatoueI can ping the machine the printer is hooked up to, the printer itself isn't network capable
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16:27.20Artemis3donatas, and the channel #debian-es does as well...
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16:31.24rattatoueBest I have been able to narrow it down to is avahi isn't sending the print job to cups right. I can print every other way I have tried, just not airprint. It never ques up a job on CUPS. If it said filter failed or printer offline etc, I could try that. I even have the debug from cups when I try to print. It doesn't even have an error. Error log says nothing, same with journal -u avahi-daemon. I have tried a lot of options. Just trying to cover
16:31.25rattatoueeverything.
16:32.23sonion_has faith in rattatoue
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16:38.01xco611good dumps shop https://perlbot.pl/p/97axi9 https://pastebin.com/ND0pX6W5
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16:52.29dpkgSparkyLinux is a Linux distribution based on <testing>.  It is not supported in #debian or #debian-next.  http://sparkylinux.org/  See also <based on debian>.
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17:27.42RebelCoderGuys, just after a fresh Debian install.. fonts on my Chromium and some code editors are bad.... Debian 8 I think did not have that problem.
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17:28.20RebelCoderI have installed ttf fonts, rebooted, still the same
17:28.40RebelCoderInvites only :(
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18:07.32TomG2i dunno, i'll try it
18:08.00TomG2yep, works fine, though you have to specify /usr/sbin/service
18:08.19Quatrokingoh nice
18:08.24Quatrokingthen I can throw that in my aliases
18:08.30TomG2you can usually try harmless commands on linux yourself :)
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18:08.44TomG2you can create a separate user if you want to be completely safe
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18:08.51Quatrokingyeah I wasn't aware that I could just grab service straight from the directory
18:09.08TomG2yeah it's just not in the path by default on UNIX if you're not a super user
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18:10.31QuatrokingYep, that works fine, aliased it as "services". Thanks TomG2
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18:27.33jimoeopt, can I help you?
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18:28.42jimReceived a CTCP TIME and VERSION from oeopt
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18:30.25jimso, oeopt is probably using the channel to come up with people to send ctcp to
18:30.51sonion_jim: i think you are wasting your deep forensic skills
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18:31.15sonion_can you please devote your energy to the ransomware fiasco
18:31.16missmbobhow do you figure? i hadn't gotten one but have since put oeopt on /ignore
18:31.48jimit wasn't much... the only channels I have in common with oeopt is this one
18:31.51sonion_missmbob: how do you do /ignore?
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18:32.26missmbob"/ignore oeopt" without quotes into your irc client
18:33.39sonion_isn't oeopt the freenode chief of security or propaganda - i forgets which
18:34.02sonion_you put him on ignore at your own peril is the message i get
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18:35.50missmbobit's a freebox server. those are only used for spamming
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18:38.30nickgawHi, with a two partition setup with one TB of space should I be able to install xen and some guests?
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18:46.38smhargreetings
18:46.58smharI have a laptop with debian jessie installed. recently I also installed stretch on another partition, both now share the same swap partition. But now, when I boot into jessie, the system hangs for very long time. I tried rescue mode and fund that it hangs on this line:
18:47.05smharBegin: Running /scripts/local-premount ...
18:47.08smharwhat could be the issue?
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18:47.28smharwhen I enter root password I am able to proceed to X normally
18:47.47jmcnaughtsmhar: i'm about to head out, but in jessie once it ffinishes booting try "systemd-analyze blame" to see what takes so long... good luck
18:47.48luciferthedevilhey i'm facing kernel panic any suggestions /
18:48.23jtxanax
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18:48.26hubotHow can I restrict access to Glassfish to users that are in a VPN network using shorewall?
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18:48.50sonion_use iptables and its successor instead
18:49.10sonion_luciferthedevil: everyone has to go sometime
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18:50.14sonion_facing / looking forward to it / have it already ... options are almost endless with what you said
18:50.48nickgawWhat page talks about security enhanced linux on debian?
18:51.16sonion_the one on the nsa site is bestest
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18:51.31sonion_nickgaw: you do know they don't use it themselves right?
18:51.56sonion_but feel free to use it yourself
18:51.59nickgawso what should I read to get it woring?
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18:52.06sonion_guts
18:52.22sonion_lack of insight intot he real world?
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18:53.15sonion_i think they even have a freenode channel ?
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18:59.36petn-randallsonion_: Where do you have this info from? AFAICS they developed it in-house, then decided to merge it into the upstream kernel.
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18:59.58petn-randallnickgaw: I'd start reading here: https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.selinux.html
19:00.20sonion_selinux was not developed by debian ? lol  you know how to google son?
19:00.46nickgawyes but I meant like what packages should I install and configure them properly.
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19:00.54sonion_red hat was more a culprit ^h^h^h backer
19:01.29sonion_nickgaw: just don't click on links in emails nor go to sites from china or romania etc
19:01.44nickgawI never do that.
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19:02.23sonion_so who don't you want to give access to files . you do know about rbash and file/dir permissions right?
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19:02.36Edendoes Debian keep an up to date set of policies for the system or is it a case of having to build from the ground up when adding extras security like selinux etc.?
19:02.42nickgawyes
19:03.03TomG2smhar, i don't know... maybe there's a way to make the initial ramdisk verbose
19:03.09nickgawmainly other accounts on the system. is it mainly used for systems with lots of users?
19:03.11missmbobdebian's selinux policy is blank. you have to do it all yourself
19:03.18missmbobit's really not useable as is
19:03.27Edenah ok, thats unfortunate but good to know
19:03.46sonion_that ought to tell you something about selinux and what is thought about it
19:03.50dondelelcaromaking a good selinux policy is really, really difficult, which is why Debian basically punts
19:04.18sonion_dondelelcaro: that is a very poor excuse -
19:04.25nickgawso for a single system there are better options?
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19:04.32Edeni take it the same is to be said for alternatives like apparmour?
19:04.40missmbobyes
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19:05.17dondelelcarosonion_: it would be great if someone could figure out how to do it distribution wide and produce a sensible default
19:05.40sonion_dondelecaro debian has some very smart people - you know the reason you gave isn't even real/right/etc   do they punt on anythign else?
19:06.14sonion_why support selinux when the people who made it don't even use it?
19:06.19dondelelcarosonion_: sure; we punt on all sorts of things. Debian is a volunteer project
19:06.37Edenid think on debian over most other distros implimenting mac be it selinux or apparmour wouldnt be difficult in the long run. im guessing its just lack of resources, but its an odd ommission considering some of the other sec oriented goings on with debian
19:06.37dondelelcarosonion_: oh, the people who made it *do* use it. They just write their own policy which is specific to their use case
19:06.42petn-randall!tell sonion_ -about lol
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19:07.23sonion_petn-randall: i am an aol user? isn't this aol chat?  ooops sorry
19:07.51sonion_is it better if i use lolz?
19:07.54dondelelcaro(we do distribute a policy too, but it breaks things if you run it with strict)
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19:09.07missmbobhell i was an aol user. doesnt that just mean you arent a fetus?
19:09.27johnkeateswe never had aol
19:09.31johnkeatesit's an american thing i guess
19:09.40sonion_luciferthedevil: do you have any errors? before the panic sets in?
19:09.53nickgawSo to secure my system on debian are there any tools I can install?
19:10.04sonion_johnkeates: i can sell you 1232 aol cd's real cheap ;)
19:10.33missmbobnickgaw: iptables
19:10.51sonion_nickgaw: start with rbash and a restricted user - you can control their bash_profile bashrc etc
19:11.18sonion_luciferthedevil: in das channel please i can't keep typing /msg i have no m key
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19:11.58luciferthedevilok
19:12.09luciferthedevili was getting  unexpected ')' something like this checked forms but this questions is unanswered kernel 4.8.0-51-generic
19:12.12sonion_unexpected ')' ?  what is before that error meessage
19:12.21johnkeatesi have two m keys
19:12.24johnkeatesyou want one?
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19:12.39sonion_which one can you spare?
19:12.44nickgawok I will look into that.
19:12.47johnkeatesthe one on the left
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19:12.54johnkeatesit's the capital M
19:12.57johnkeatesbut it's still good
19:13.21sonion_i don't use caps - i learned on aol that it is considered shouting
19:13.25johnkeatesoh :(
19:13.33johnkeateswell, sorry, no M for you then
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19:13.56johnkeatesmaybe an N + / will do? an m is like an n with an extra / anyway
19:14.23sonion_i learned unicode bitmapping so it is really some viking rune gone bad
19:14.40johnkeatessounds like how bluetooth's rune came to be
19:14.47sonion_i'll bet you can't tell mmm
19:14.47johnkeates'lets just stick some stuff together'
19:15.37johnkeatesi have this 'slightly used, partially broken' version: ɱ
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19:16.35sonion_partially broken >> slight used ... i can see you are an ebay guy :)
19:16.54johnkeatesgotta get those cheap 1u rack units somewhere... ;-)
19:17.01sonion_i have bought a few slightly used stuffs on ebay
19:17.07johnkeatesthe stuff people sell on there for cheap
19:17.29johnkeatestear out the mobo, stick a nice embedded one in there, and suddenly you have a nice 1u server for a 10th of the price
19:17.50sonion_i guess lucer... had to go his mom's house
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19:17.53johnkeatesi mean, those 'security' devices from the 'security' vendors that can't be trusted anyway
19:18.14sonion_did you see the secure email server that was really a rasp pi?
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19:18.47johnkeatesthey are always most basic 1u chassis + basic intel core era hardware sold for 25k because of the magic sauce and name brand labels
19:18.52johnkeatesyeah, its a shame
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19:19.10johnkeatesin my country, someone developed 'keezel' which is basically a piehole with vpn and wifi relay
19:19.19sonion_was fun to read https://scotthelme.co.uk/nomx-the-worlds-most-secure-communications-protocol/
19:19.21johnkeatesand they are selling it as if it's the next best thing
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19:21.00sonion_or did his kernel panic propegate to his working kernel ..
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19:23.01sonion_what happened to the guy making fun of my aol accent? those who don't learn from computer history are bound to repeat it ..
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19:23.36sonion_old apple 1 shells with a rasp pi inside
19:23.59TomG2pie flavour!
19:24.56missmbobhttps://github.com/asinck/AOL "This program translates normal speech to AOL speech.
19:24.59sonion_now i remember why i have to go to walmart today ... they have started making their lemon pies again ... they are really good
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19:27.05sonion_that looks opensource ... any room in the linguistic world for an ebonics aol?
19:28.03missmbobefnet i'm sure
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19:28.35sonion_i actually have been boycotting walmart since they lied to me about them going to sell notebooks with linux on it and never did
19:28.44sonion_dalnet too
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19:32.12Quatrokingif i want to change parameters of a samba usershare, do I just throw it in global?
19:32.42BillKGRQuatroking, never used it but the logic is definitely wrong
19:33.03missmbobit's windows based software. of course it's wrong
19:33.11Quatrokingheyoooo
19:33.26missmbobthere is always #samba
19:33.30Quatrokingyeah normally I'd throw it in the share itself but in this case the share isn't defined
19:33.35QuatrokingI was unaware of that channel
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19:38.25sonion_Quatroking: why no share definition?
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19:38.50sonion_you gotta have shares
19:39.13sonion_they are there at the bottom of the smb.conf
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19:47.13Quatrokingsonion_, right now I log in with windows and it gives me a share with my username that's the home folder
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19:48.31sonion_it is the default
19:48.51sonion_but look in the smb.conf you will have shares there that you can play with
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19:57.53Quatrokingsonion_, yeah but I want symlinks to work in the default share
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19:58.40pachahow do I remap Caps Lock to pause/unpause mpd? the command would be `mpc toggle`, I have `setxkbmap -option caps:none`
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20:00.02fryguypacha: you'll want to remap capslock to some other key, maybe hyper, and then have a binding for that key
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20:02.34sonion_Quatroking: ymlinks = yes
20:02.38sonion_Quatroking: symlinks = yes
20:02.57sonion_pacha: xmodmap ma man
20:03.00Quatrokingand I put those in global?
20:04.14sonion_try global first - but don't you have stuff at the bottom of the smb.conf for shares?
20:04.53Quatrokingother than the share I use for games for my Retropie, all I got is the printers and the default [homes] which I don't use
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20:43.46synaps3hi i would like to use debian as mainos, but i'm a bit confused about what image to download
20:44.03synaps3i run 64bit processor
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20:44.29fryguysynaps3: do you have an internet connection available during installation time?
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20:44.52synaps3i have wireless usb
20:44.59fryguysynaps3: you probably want this then: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso
20:45.01sonion_isn't the dvd way still best for first time installing?
20:45.40synaps3i would also go with full dvd, but cant find the link to it, only cd1, cd2 etc
20:45.41fryguyshrugs
20:45.54sonion_fryguy: isn't that what you have him?
20:46.03sonion_nvm
20:46.05fryguyhttps://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/
20:46.37fryguythere's the full dvds if you prefer
20:46.48synaps3will netinstall download contents of all 3dvds while installing ?
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20:46.56sonion_synaps3: i'd do the dvd install until you are a debian expert then next time do the netinst
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20:47.49sonion_and make all the mistakes you can in the beginning and write them down so as not to repeat later
20:48.18synaps3ok then i need all 3dvds or not ?
20:49.27Sarksynaps3: you don't need all the DVDs, only the Netinst disc.
20:49.50SarkThe wonderful thing about Debian is that the installer and the package manager can download from the 'net as files are needed.
20:50.12SarkSo, provided you have a high speed Internet connection available on the computer you will be installing on, there is no need to download more than just the netinst disc.
20:50.35SarkIt'll only download what it needs as it goes, so only whatever you tell it to install.
20:50.43missmbobsynaps3: i havent download full images since floppie days.
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20:55.01sonion_missmbob: i have tons of unopened 5 1/4" floppies if you get nostagic?
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20:59.30Johnhi all, got a bit of a problem
21:00.14Johni'm running some program, and my RAM usage is creeping up. I'm 50% sure i'll run out of RAM before the computation is finished. If that happens, the last 10 hours of computing on this server will be lost :/
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21:00.26JohnSo, er, how do i make some swap space, like 50Gb?
21:00.30JohnThat should tide me over.
21:00.36JohnAt the moment i have 0
21:01.13missmbobsonion_: that would be fun to have :) lucky. i bet they're mcafee
21:01.14koollmanJohn: easiest is probably to install swapspace.
21:01.47JohnSure, awesome - how do i do that? )I'm on 107/129Gb right now. When i get to 129 the bomb blows up
21:01.48Johnlol
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21:02.24sonion_mkswap  - do you have unused disk - i;d use a usb drive - don't run a partition manager on the running system
21:03.15Johnyeah the partitioning a running system (thats a RAID0) was what i was worried about, but the idea of using a USB stick is genius! That will be easy to figure out
21:03.17sonion_John:  we can make this into a computer thriller with eva green - i don't think she has done a hacker movie yet
21:04.08Johnwoah, im surprised actually. She looks like the sort of person a guy who knows nothing about hacking would put in that sort of role
21:04.10sonion_when the program hits swap all her clothes magically drop off
21:04.15Johnhahahahah
21:04.33koollmanJohn: but if you want immediately that swap space, and you have 50GB of free space: dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1M count=51200 ; chown 600 swapfile; mkswap -f swapfile ; swapon swapfile
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21:05.01Johnkoollman:  will it nuke my existing partition
21:05.06Johnshit i'm at 111/129
21:05.16sonion_koollman: he will make a typo an the thing will crash and we/humanity will lose out on his cure for cancer
21:05.22koollmanJohn: it's a file. do you have 50GB of free space ?
21:05.22JohnOh phew, back down to 109/129
21:05.40Johnoooh
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21:05.41koollmansonion_: maybe. but he could get a new superpower, or something
21:05.45Johnok awesome i'll try it
21:06.18sonion_i think John is the ransomwear guy
21:07.16koollmanJohn: but still I prefer the swapspace program. apt-get install swapspace. shoul
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21:07.22koollman*should work by default
21:08.39JohnSo, i mean, i've typed the command in, ready to hit enter
21:09.00JohnBut this has to work because if i have to restart the programs i'll never have this done by monday morning
21:09.21Johnok running....
21:09.43Johnhtop hasn't shown anything yet :/
21:10.10JohnShould it take a long time? I guess i should just wait.
21:10.21koollmanJohn: depends how fast you can write 50GB
21:10.31sonion_just stare at the clock is what i suggest
21:10.34JohnI mean it should take a second
21:10.42JohnRAID0 over 4 SDDs
21:10.49Johnis scared.
21:11.06sonion_sweat scarred or just itchy scared?
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21:11.32Johnsweat scared. I've never been itcy scared.
21:11.39Johnalthough now i'm thinking about itchyness, i'm itchy
21:12.01sonion_itchy scarred -> rubbing palms and pant legs
21:12.05Johnok i'm worried something's wrong. It's just hanging now
21:12.11JohnShould i Ctrl+C?
21:12.28koollmando you have another term to see the file size ?
21:12.30sonion_whoa we need a 109/129 reading
21:12.51Johnit's been up and down, but right now 105/129
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21:13.07koollman(it's like a bomb countdown, except we have many ways to stop the bomb, we're just looking around :) )
21:13.21John104.....104......104......104....104.....104.......105.....105.....106....106.....105....105...
21:13.41Johnhahah, yeah
21:13.50koollmando you happen to know if the program would react badly to being paused ?
21:14.04Johnit feels like it. Also df -h is showing free disk space going down, which is promising
21:14.28Johnkoollman:  i wrote the tool, it's Python and numpy tables, but i have no idea because i've never paused one of my tools
21:14.29koollmanls -lh swapfile. should get to 50GB soon enough considering the use of ssd
21:14.39Johnalso, the disk only has like 40Gb free now
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21:15.07JohnThats the downside to RAID0 SSDs - i didn't have the cash to buy the spricy  SSds
21:15.12John*pricey. Not spicey.
21:15.31Johnoh, something happened
21:16.04John51200+0 records in, 51200+0 records out 54GB copied, 329s, 163MB/s
21:16.13sonion_well leave spicey in the screen play
21:16.15Johni just remembered, i'm doing a lot of disk work, so thats why it was slow
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21:16.27koollmanyep, finished. not very fast, for a ssd raid0. or very saturated by something else, yeah :)
21:16.28Johnbut then. dum dum dumm.....
21:16.36koollmannext steps should be fast
21:16.48Johndrama: chown, chaning ownership of 'swapfile' Operation not permitted
21:16.55Johni'll sudo su
21:16.58koollmanhm. nah
21:17.08Johnwait no?
21:17.08koollmanmy fault. but still should work. just a warning
21:17.11Johnah ok
21:17.29koollmanmeant chmod, not chown. although the swapon part will need sudo if you are not root
21:17.32Johnbut then it says "bash: mkswap: command not found". same for swapon
21:17.37Johnahhh, ok
21:17.42sonion_John:  what is the reading? must be 127/129 by now
21:18.18John105 still
21:18.23Johnbut  it's dancing.
21:18.24koollmanJohn: well then. get a root shell. the file is created, so now chmod 600 swapfile; mkswap -f swapfile ; swapon swapfile
21:18.28sonion_you never had a swap on the computer (shame on you)  what does    free   say
21:18.30JohnIt's dancing like my heart rate
21:19.05sonion_eva green has a nice sounding heart pounding sound
21:19.18JohnFree says Mem: total: 132192116 free: 60868
21:19.28Johnthere's a bunch more numbers but i haven't turned swapon yet
21:19.31Johnbrb
21:19.31sonion_no swap .. interesting
21:19.53JohnYeah swap is 0 because if my programs use the swap, it's usually because i made a memory leak and i should fix my code
21:20.03Johnelse it just runs for a billion years and rapes my SSDs
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21:21.09JohnWell now "free" says i have 50Gb of swap, but htop doesn't detect it
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21:22.23sonion_do all your other disk work now - cause swap is slow
21:22.54JohnWell it hasn't used any swap yet i don't think
21:23.04koollmanJohn: maybe htop need to be restarted to take it into account. but if free shows it, it's there
21:23.14Johnbut 118/129
21:23.22Johnkoollman: ah, ok, phew :)
21:23.26koollmanJohn: also, install swapspace now, and later we'll see to remove that 50GB file safely :)
21:23.39JohnAh ok
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21:27.37Johnyay the swap appeared :)
21:27.45John(in htop)
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21:29.09maxigasi am booting a netinstall debian amd64 image and the guided-encrypted-lvm option
21:29.15maxigasis missing from the partitioning methods
21:29.40maxigasif i try manual partitioning, the usual encryption options are also missing.
21:29.45maxigasany tips?
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21:34.23sonion_you can do this after you have a bootable system - with the rescue disk
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21:42.37nine_millisup my nerds debian def the best linux distro
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21:44.34sonion_is that ebonics? finally face to face with it
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21:46.12Eryn_1983_FLhi peeps
21:46.26Eryn_1983_FLwhats the one liner for adding a new linux kernel i need to update to atelast 4.8
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21:47.33Eryn_1983_FLi think i got it now..
21:48.09Johnsonion_:  it's time to accept it. brother from another mother(board)
21:48.45Eryn_1983_FLlol
21:48.57Eryn_1983_FLhappy mother(board) day!
21:49.15Johnhehe :)
21:49.39JohnI haven't said anything to my mum yet, and i'm confident if i put that as my status i'd get disowned
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21:51.36sonion_John: does you mom know you use debian?
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21:54.44JohnDebian is my alter-ego.
21:54.49JohnBut day i'm an OSX user.
21:55.03JohnBy night, the SWAP comes on and the clothes come off.
21:55.07JohnxD
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21:55.40sonion_i'm shopping the script around ... should i try gofundme?
21:56.38sonion_you can play John the irc hacker we never see but has lots of problems - psychological (with his mum) ... etc   <---- just joking don't hack me
21:57.15Johnlol, i'm not a hacker
21:57.27JohnI know how to decloak people on IRC, i guess that's hacking
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21:57.39Johnbut IRC is older than me so it's not an acheivement
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21:58.21sonion_did you get banned from facebook?
21:59.01Johnno, lol. I'm not a vegetable, mineral or watermelon either
21:59.20sonion_we only get youngins (new irc people) who've been banned on facebook yet still need to chat
21:59.58Eryn_1983_FLhey peeps what app am i suppose to use for battery stats on cli?
22:00.25sonion_peaches and watermellon are the best in vodka
22:00.42Eryn_1983_FLpeaches and cream...
22:00.53sonion_Eryn_1983_FL: get the info from proc and make a script that reads it -
22:01.20Eryn_1983_FLok..
22:01.44Tsutsukakushiapp?
22:01.59Eryn_1983_FLuhh
22:02.10Tsutsukakushicat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/capacity
22:02.11Eryn_1983_FLwhat is called in proc? i dont see a battery.. or b*
22:02.16Eryn_1983_FLofcourse..
22:02.45Tsutsukakushihttp://ix.io/tJo
22:02.58sonion_something like /bin/cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_now
22:02.58Tsutsukakushithis is what i use
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22:03.40missmbobupower -i $(upower -e | grep BAT) | grep --color=never -E "state|to\ full|to\ empty|percentage"
22:04.50sonion_i think i have the wrong upower link   https://www.u-power.org/
22:05.14Eryn_1983_FLcool ty guys
22:05.49sonion_you need the battery kernel module loaded too
22:06.19Johnmy swap has been used!
22:06.20missmbobthat's not the link at all. lol. https://upower.freedesktop.org/
22:06.27John36MB were written so far
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22:06.35Johnno longer needed, but i guess for a second it was
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22:06.53missmbobnone of you are allowed to make a movie you know nothing about :P
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22:08.03newlinuxHi
22:08.07newlinuxHow can I wipe my harddrive?
22:08.16newlinuxI cant use DBAN for some reason, I getting cat: can't open '/prooc/cmdline': No such file or directory
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22:08.28sonion_porno or state secrets?
22:08.32newlinuxIs there any other way to wipe my harddrive?
22:08.38missmbobnewlinux: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Securely_wipe_disk
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22:10.10sonion_i'd use dd - you really can't erase anything - thems got trace particle analytical retrival devices that can see all - even photorec/testdisk can get stuff thought to be long gone
22:10.21Eryn_1983_FLok xmobar is not picking up power stuff how do i make it do so?
22:10.30Eryn_1983_FLi can get it on cli fine too
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22:11.11missmbobwhy dont you use what i gave you?
22:11.11sonion_that was the only good thing about windows - it had a nice battery empty/full graphics
22:11.28sonion_why don't you use what I gave you?
22:11.51sonion_high fives missmbob
22:11.52newlinuxsonion_: You really cant erase anything? What do you mean?
22:12.11Eryn_1983_FLi did but i want it on my bar
22:12.21sonion_the magnetics etc on a disk are always still there - the only way is ti incinerate
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22:12.50sonion_Eryn_1983_FL: you can make a great task bar icon with lazarus-ide and display battery status
22:13.29newlinuxmissmbob: So I cant use ubuntu live usb and then use gnome-disks tool that has ATA Secure Erase?
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22:13.47missmbobnewlinux: i dont care what you use
22:13.57sonion_even redoing partitions and reformating can be undone by lowly testdisk/photorec - do a google on the equation group
22:14.10newlinuxmissmbob: Why not?
22:14.26missmbobjesus christ. why the fuck would i?
22:14.42newlinuxmissmbob: please watch ur language
22:15.01missmbobno. sorry.
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22:34.02newlinuxmissmbob: Im not familyar to use commands. is there any easy gui way to wipe my harddrive?
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22:36.34Walexnewlinux: some GUI programs probably support the SATA "SECURITY ERASE" function, but I always use the command line for that, so I would not know which one.#
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22:37.32sonion_did you google the equation group?
22:37.57Walexnewlinux: IIRC there are some GUI frontends to 'smartctl'...
22:38.05Walexnewlinux: also look here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/749974/gui-tool-to-securely-overwrite-whole-hard-drive
22:38.45Walexnewlinux: claims that 'gparted' has a well hidden security erase command
22:41.44sonion_gparted can't hold a candle against testdisk
22:42.22Walexnewlinux: http://forums.crucial.com/t5/Crucial-SSDs/Secure-Erase-Program/m-p/62531#M19287
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22:59.52sonion_ubuntu? is that thing still around?  who knew
23:00.11missmbobsomeone else who doesnt care what you do. imagine that
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23:33.57sonion_how do you pronounce your nick?  siri tells me to keep repeating it when she and i look for your internet file
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23:46.29newlinuxIs using multiple passes for wiping a disk really necessary?
23:47.23sonion_what exaclty is the type of data you are trying to hide?
23:47.44nine_millidont ask dont tell
23:48.15sonion_his stuff is already on wikileaks i just want to see if he is honest with himself
23:48.34newlinuxsonion_: Selling my computer and I dont want people to see my holiday photos.
23:48.38missmbobonce is really all you need. people are just paranoid. https://www.howtogeek.com/115573/htg-explains-why-you-only-have-to-wipe-a-disk-once-to-erase-it/
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23:51.48sonion_i'd just put ubuntu on it and a folder called 'secret stuff'  then  touch "
23:51.52newlinuxmissmbob: with 00s or random text, does it matter?
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23:52.08sonion_secret stuff/love-letter.txt"   and be done with it
23:52.34newlinuxsonion_: I dont know, maybe the guy who buy my computer are trying to recover my harddrive somehow?
23:52.34missmbobyeah. i cant believe you've cared this much. just do whatever the live cd does. couldnt matter less
23:53.03sonion_i wouldn't have put my ip in the ircname of your whois though
23:53.48cabraturgoHi, people! Quick check: is Evolution in Stretch working with the new GMail login for anyone?
23:53.59missmbobworking for me
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23:54.08sonion_now the world knows to look for your computer on ebay you said?
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23:55.13cabraturgo@missmbob, did you had configured it before it changed or have you relogin in the last week?
23:55.16missmbobusing online accounts in gnome-control-center (click on details).
23:55.18newlinuxsonion_: What you are saying no one should care about their privacy?
23:55.25missmbobyes, actually
23:55.26cabraturgook
23:55.35cabraturgoi'll try that way
23:55.46cabraturgothanks a bunch
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23:56.23missmbobawesome thing about that way is it works with 2 step auth. setting it up as just imap doesnt
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23:57.26sonion_newlinux: where did you go on vacation? did you get so drunk that the kids drew penii on your forehead or something?
23:57.48cabraturgoyeah, through Evolution form doesn't even let me login but through online accounts works, I don't know why didn't think of that
23:57.59newlinuxsonion_: Does that really matter for you?
23:58.32missmbobso long as you remember for next time :P
23:58.41cabraturgosure, thanks again ^^
23:58.57sonion_well i paid $20 for these pics that claimed they were of you and i don't want to get scammed again
23:59.24TomTomToschnewlinux: wipe the drive. dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/<the drive>   wait a few hours, depending on the size.

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