| 00:00.12 | newlinux | TomTomTosch: Thank you, is that 1 pass with random data? |
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| 00:00.19 | TomTomTosch | yes |
| 00:00.37 | sonion_ | you will need exactly 212 passes - siri told me this |
| 00:00.46 | newlinux | TomTomTosch: May I ask, whats different between 00s pass or random data? |
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| 00:01.53 | TomTomTosch | the idea is that random data introduces noise that makes forensic analysis harder. |
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| 00:03.37 | TomTomTosch | /dev/zero is faster, though. |
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| 00:03.58 | missmbob | hella faster |
| 00:04.27 | newlinux | TomTomTosch: So what I have to do is, install USB bootable debian or ubuntu. And then boot and run dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/<the drive>? |
| 00:04.27 | MrCthulhu | hi |
| 00:04.29 | newlinux | Thats it? |
| 00:04.56 | missmbob | or just use the secure erase option in ubuntu |
| 00:05.13 | TomTomTosch | you need to boot from a different drive, yes. |
| 00:05.21 | newlinux | missmbob: what secure erase option? |
| 00:05.31 | jmcnaught | ,i nwipe |
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| 00:05.32 | judd | Package nwipe (utils, extra) in jessie/amd64: Utility to securely erase disks. Version: 0.17-1; Size: 29.8k; Installed: 116k; Homepage: https://github.com/martijnvanbrummelen/nwipe; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/nwipe |
| 00:05.48 | missmbob | newlinux: it's in ubuntu live, like i said |
| 00:06.00 | missmbob | newlinux: tool that wipes it securely without you doing anything |
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| 00:06.16 | missmbob | like i said before |
| 00:06.44 | newlinux | ok thank you |
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| 00:07.40 | newlinux | whats the different between using nwipe, secure erase option in ubuntu and dd? |
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| 00:08.04 | jmcnaught | the user interface |
| 00:08.21 | newlinux | ok |
| 00:08.38 | sonion_ | newlinux: if you are this concerned about your holiday pics 1. see a priest or turn yourself into interpol |
| 00:09.09 | missmbob | wow. that one was actually funny |
| 00:09.21 | newlinux | sonion_: there could be nude pictures on your mother, thats why :) |
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| 00:09.31 | sonion_ | they all are at this end... that is the problem |
| 00:09.31 | jmcnaught | nwipe is what i used last time i needed to wipe some drives |
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| 00:09.43 | missmbob | i used a drill |
| 00:10.02 | newlinux | sonion_: sorry bro, i was joking with you :) |
| 00:10.20 | jmcnaught | i just needed to get rid of old raid and lvm metadata |
| 00:10.21 | sonion_ | newlinux: no problem - you probably got them off her site anyway |
| 00:10.44 | TomTomTosch | classy... |
| 00:10.53 | jmcnaught | newlinux: sonion_: please take this somewhere else. |
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| 00:11.08 | sonion_ | uh oh the fuzz |
| 00:11.12 | sonion_ | :) |
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| 00:20.31 | *** topic/#debian is Debian Stretch frozen 2017-02-05; /msg dpkg stretch freeze; /msg dpkg jessie->stretch; /msg dpkg install stretch | Stable: Debian Jessie /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg 8.8; /msg dpkg install jessie | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
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| 00:34.13 | p1kanuku | #flood |
| 00:34.57 | dvs | #drought |
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| 00:37.10 | sonion_ | personally i'd rather see offtopic rather then nothing - don't you want freenode to think debian is hot? |
| 00:37.29 | missmbob | offtopic should be in #debian-offtopic |
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| 00:37.48 | p1kanuku | #debian-offtopic |
| 00:38.10 | missmbob | use a / in front p1kanuku |
| 00:40.37 | bazhang | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.36 | sonion_ | and this ain't offtopic ? |
| 00:42.56 | sonion_ | why yes it is sonion_ - thank you for bringing it to our attention |
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| 00:50.31 | newlinux | sonion_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfICZMMr0JM |
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| 00:51.25 | missmbob | newlinux: when you do things like that (especially youtube) you risk hundreds of thousands of people adding you to /ignore ...like i want to do you now |
| 00:51.59 | missmbob | hundres..not thousands...heh |
| 00:52.09 | missmbob | fuck |
| 00:52.19 | dvs | meeellions! |
| 00:52.45 | sonion_ | newlinux: do you have testdisl/photorec - give it a try i think you will not be happy |
| 00:53.12 | bazhang | testdisk |
| 00:53.20 | sonion_ | and interpol already has a file on you - so don't bother hiding ;) |
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| 00:55.41 | UUSSEERR | hello all I am having an issue. I have upgraded one of my smaller devices to debian sid. When the choice came to keep my custom grub setup I erroneously chose to instead of generating a new one (it has a 32 bit uefi and a 64 bit system). Now I amstill booting 3.16 and do not know how to boot to the 4.9 kernel. It isn't even in the boot directory. I have looked all over. Thank you for your time and any guidance you may share! |
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| 00:55.47 | sonion_ | seriously you are better off just changing partition sizes and reformating them with ntfs - no one would even think of undoing it - who hasn't got your interpol file that is |
| 00:56.15 | missmbob | 4.9 is in jessie-backports |
| 00:56.21 | missmbob | !jessie-backports |
| 00:56.21 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 00:56.28 | missmbob | read the url with instructions |
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| 00:57.33 | UUSSEERR | I am upgraded to sid I just need to boot correctly.sudo apt-get dist-upgrade shows no changes needed. my sources.list only grab from sid |
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| 00:57.55 | UUSSEERR | it is a grub issue |
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| 00:58.31 | UUSSEERR | update-grub doesnt help either |
| 00:58.35 | jelly | sonion_: try to keep chatter in here to a minimum next time, esp. when there's actual support questions being dealt with. 2 hours quiet. |
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| 01:01.58 | UUSSEERR | I'm sorry if I am confusing by 4.9 I mean whatever comes with sid. (4.x?) |
| 01:02.16 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 01:02.18 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.18-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.18-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1) |
| 01:02.31 | jelly | still 4.9 |
| 01:02.43 | missmbob | sid support is in #debian-next on oftc network |
| 01:02.51 | jelly | that too |
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| 03:34.39 | TomG2 | not sure, try a web search? |
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| 05:38.26 | podosfero | hello, can someone with an ntfs partition check if this command 'ntfs-3g -o windows_names' works, please? the windows_names option is always ignored for some reason, i tried 'mount -o windows_names' and 'mount -t ntfs-3g -o windows_names', and in all cases it is ignored |
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| 05:49.20 | missmbob | works for me in jessie |
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| 05:55.18 | podosfero | hello missmbob , enter mount, do you see windows_names among the mount options for the ntfs partition? if no, then it was ignored in your system also |
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| 05:57.11 | podosfero | missmbob: in case it didn't notify you |
| 05:58.31 | missmbob | i'm in the drive, browsing it...but sudo mount |grep ntfs is blank. i dont know wtf that means |
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| 06:00.00 | podosfero | missmbob: check with grep 3g and grep fuseblk |
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| 06:02.29 | podosfero | missmbob: one of the two or both will output at least one match |
| 06:03.48 | BanHammor | MissionCritical, can you just pastebin the mount output? |
| 06:03.54 | BanHammor | blerg, wrong m |
| 06:04.12 | BanHammor | missmbob, ^ |
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| 07:14.18 | robert__ | im having a panic attack, I can't do something simple. |
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| 07:14.54 | robert__ | I just want to be able to install jockey-text or manage my drivers another way |
| 07:15.14 | robert__ | can someone help me switch from nvidia-376 to nvidia-340xx? |
| 07:15.52 | robert__ | so tired of endless googling and unable to get this working. so many reboots. so many copy pastes. |
| 07:17.23 | jelly | robert__: which debian release? |
| 07:17.50 | robert__ | Kali 2, which I have modified some sources file to act as 16.04 |
| 07:18.03 | tx | So, not debian? |
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| 07:18.19 | jelly | !kali |
| 07:18.19 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 07:20.50 | jelly | robert__: can you reproduce the issue on an actual Debian installation? Debian 8 has 340.x as default nvidia-driver |
| 07:21.18 | jelly | ,v nvidia-driver |
| 07:21.19 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.39-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.39-1; sid/non-free: 375.39-1 |
| 07:21.22 | robert__ | Right now the issue is that I don't know how to install jockey-gtk or jockey-text so I can switch from 376 to 340 |
| 07:21.40 | robert__ | also I guess I am not on the right freenode server, since I don't really see a #kali-linux channel |
| 07:21.50 | jelly | you're on freenode alright |
| 07:22.13 | robert__ | i really need to learn more about how drivers work under the hood |
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| 07:22.40 | robert__ | i can't be crying everytime I want to mess around with compiling GPU miners and stuff. |
| 07:22.52 | robert__ | i would be even happy with some reading material on that. |
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| 07:23.01 | robert__ | I just need to empower myself, because this feeling is crippling. |
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| 07:23.04 | jelly | however, that channel is +r which means you need to have a registered NickServ account to join it |
| 07:23.25 | robert__ | ive registered, i just don't remember the password before. |
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| 07:23.58 | jelly | then remember it, or change it. /msg NickServ help |
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| 07:26.03 | robert__ | okay, let me compose myself a little. and lets time travel way back to the a debian question. How are drivers managed? Where can I read about these systems? |
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| 07:26.45 | robert__ | I never want to be copy pasting things again and immediately forgetting the solution afterwards. |
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| 07:26.57 | robert__ | I need to understand how it works, so I can solve it on my own. |
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| 07:27.59 | robert__ | maybe a book? pdf? Something written by the creator, RIP? |
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| 07:28.31 | robert__ | So that I can have reference material that will teach me, instead helplessly googling and begging for help. |
| 07:28.41 | robert__ | Just a recommendation on how to level up. |
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| 07:32.09 | qyyduii | Hi everyone! I just installed debian-stable but I don't have the GPU drivers -- when i tried a debian-unstable derivative the GPU drivers were there, does that mean that i should switch to unstable? |
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| 07:32.57 | tx | You just need to use the package manager to install the GPU drivers for your vendor. |
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| 07:33.02 | tx | on stable |
| 07:33.52 | qyyduii | they aren't available i have a Radeon 4530 mobile |
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| 07:36.16 | tx | qyyduii: for the proprietary drivers you will need to add "non-free" to your sources.list file at the end of your debian repo line(s) |
| 07:36.29 | tx | OR |
| 07:36.35 | tx | use the free radeon driver, I'd give that a go first. |
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| 07:37.02 | tx | Just checking device support for the free one... |
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| 07:38.57 | tx | Seems like it only supports 7xxx and up.. hm. |
| 07:39.18 | tx | May need to use the non-free one then (I think the older versions may not be compatible with newer releases of xorg) |
| 07:39.33 | robert__ | robert__ already has a password change key outstanding. |
| 07:39.46 | robert__ | not my day. |
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| 07:41.09 | qyyduii | tx. "The AMD Catalyst Legacy driver - supporting the Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series - is not available for Debian 8 "Jessie", as upstream has not updated the driver for newer Xorg releases" |
| 07:41.18 | qyyduii | https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 07:41.44 | jelly | qyyduii: what does the "lspci -nn" line for your card look like? |
| 07:41.45 | qyyduii | :/ |
| 07:42.17 | jelly | robert__: not your day to read email, or not your day to pick a different nickname? |
| 07:42.20 | qyyduii | jelly. 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV710/M92 [Mobility Radeon HD 4530/4570/545v] [1002:9553] |
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| 07:43.37 | jelly | qyyduii: get kernel from jessie-backports |
| 07:43.40 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:44.03 | jelly | stretch seems to have _some_ support in free drivers for 1002:9553 |
| 07:44.34 | jelly | so that means the update bdo kernel will have some as well |
| 07:44.58 | qyyduii | jelly: sorry for being a noob but what does "from jessie-backports" mean? |
| 07:44.59 | jelly | dpkg, tell qyyduii about bdo kernel |
| 07:45.05 | jelly | dpkg, tell qyyduii about jessie-backports |
| 07:45.12 | qyyduii | thanks |
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| 07:45.48 | jelly | if your (other) hardware requires firmware, you'll need to upgrade that to jessie-backports as well |
| 07:45.54 | qyyduii | will try and be back |
| 07:46.07 | jelly | ,v xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 07:46.08 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-radeon on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:6.14.4-8; jessie: 1:7.5.0-1; jessie-backports: 1:7.8.0-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:7.8.0-1+b1; sid: 1:7.8.0-1+b1 |
| 07:46.15 | jelly | possibly that one as well |
| 07:46.23 | spinNspiral | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.51 | jelly | asking the bot about stuff works as well, /msg dpkg stuff |
| 07:47.14 | tx | qyyduii: is it in backports? |
| 07:47.21 | tx | er, oops, already mentioned :) |
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| 07:50.55 | qyyduii | i'm now in the process of switching to testing, can i add the line jessie backport after? |
| 07:51.59 | towo^work | in stretch will never be jessie-backports |
| 07:52.02 | tx | stick with your distro release stream |
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| 07:52.12 | tx | don't pick and choose |
| 07:52.24 | tx | You might end up with broken packages. |
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| 07:57.02 | spinNspiral | #kali-linux told me to go to #linux. |
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| 08:25.56 | folivora | Hi, i need to use rest of the available space on my disk. Is this right syntax? part raid.0006 --size 1 --grow --ondrive=sdb |
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| 08:28.15 | x0n | hI! |
| 08:28.19 | x0n | :D |
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| 08:29.07 | frazr | herlo |
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| 08:38.47 | celyr | folivora, I would say no |
| 08:38.56 | celyr | folivora, but depends on your system |
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| 08:40.15 | jubo2 | I am retireing a server for recycling into hypervisor just to get a new clean fresh one |
| 08:40.37 | jubo2 | I dunno if this is wise. The server is fine. no problems since installation |
| 08:41.03 | jubo2 | I'd be replacing a well working though a little filled up Debian 8 with a new Debian 8 |
| 08:41.52 | jubo2 | part of the logic is that reinstall gets rid of many types of got rooted situations.. if you do it consistently some of them will not be imaginary in a lifetiem |
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| 08:51.42 | dob1 | hi, i have a wheezy installation, i would like to update to jessie. I read some documentation but i don't understand what will happen to custom scripts in /etc/init.d/ linked in rc2.d for example |
| 08:52.01 | dob1 | they will continue to work? i have to modify them? |
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| 08:56.54 | jubo2 | Uptine 204 d |
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| 08:57.17 | jubo2 | I could totally keep this server and use it for development |
| 08:57.37 | jubo2 | but something says to scrap it and get a new one with new sudoable passwd |
| 08:58.43 | jubo2 | When is nine coming out? |
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| 09:00.02 | jelly | !wwsr |
| 09:00.02 | dpkg | Well... it's starting to get distinctly chilly... Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help> https://udd.debian.org/bugs/ https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 09:00.46 | jelly | dob1: in general, they will continue to work if they have valid LSB headers |
| 09:01.09 | jelly | dob1: if unsure, you can keep using sysvinit |
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| 09:01.39 | jelly | try it in a test environment if unsure |
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| 09:03.42 | dob1 | jelly, this seems valid LSB headers, right ? https://pastebin.com/j26HTuzx if i want to convert a script to use it with systemd what i have to read? |
| 09:04.15 | jelly | dob1: yeah, that looks fine |
| 09:04.42 | jelly | systemd ought to work in LSB compability mode with init scripts like that |
| 09:04.54 | jelly | can't type today |
| 09:05.31 | jelly | dob1: for starters you ought to read the release notes in any case |
| 09:05.35 | jelly | !jessie release notes |
| 09:05.35 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <install guide>. |
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| 09:40.25 | bipul | What is the use of debconf-utils ? |
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| 09:43.33 | babilen | bipul: Why do you ask? What's the context? Are you familiar with debconf and its use in Debian? |
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| 09:44.43 | bipul | babilen, I am writing a script in python for debian distribution. |
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| 09:45.37 | bipul | And i my python script will automate the LAMP task, but for the configuration, i think i need to know about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debconf_(software_package) |
| 09:45.47 | bipul | And my* |
| 09:46.20 | babilen | Wouldn't using a tool like SaltStack or Ansible be more appropriate there? |
| 09:47.09 | bipul | if you write your own things, it will help you to understand the mechanism. :) |
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| 10:01.49 | fbaca | any idea how I can preload the AHCI kernel module when I am netbooting the installer? I have one USB hard drive and one M2 SSD. When the USB drive is plugged in the installer will not detect any M2 SSD because it does not load the AHCI module. The moment I run modprobe AHCI I can see the SSD drive. If I boot the installer with the USB drive unplugeed the SSD |
| 10:01.49 | fbaca | is correctly detected. |
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| 10:02.28 | BluesKaj | howdy folks |
| 10:02.34 | LINUX-NEW | hi guys anyone can help me with vsfptd ? |
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| 10:14.14 | OtakuSenpai | yesterday i downloaded runescape and then today when i try to run it |
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| 10:14.47 | OtakuSenpai | it waits/hangs on the "Loading application" step at 97% |
| 10:14.53 | OtakuSenpai | what is going on? |
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| 10:32.12 | MoonKid | hi zusammen. Hat jemand von euch die Möglichkeit den TorBrowser oder gleich die TorDistro (Tails?) runterzuladen und mir auf einen privaten Download-Bereich zu stellen? Meine Uni blockiert (scheinbar sogar dynamisch) alles was mit Tor zu tun hat. Auch die mirros gehen nicht. |
| 10:33.04 | OtakuSenpai | guys anyone help me? |
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| 10:36.18 | MoonKid | sorry, wrong language. :D |
| 10:36.37 | MoonKid | Ah I found a mirror for tails. Hope the download will work. |
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| 10:37.48 | OtakuSenpai | anyone can tell me why this runescape app is not running? |
| 10:38.26 | Vizva | <MoonKid> |
| 10:38.34 | Vizva | vielleicht geht es auch über opera |
| 10:39.05 | OtakuSenpai | guys? |
| 10:39.29 | hyure | hmmm i switched to testing and upgraded but i still dont have those gpu drivers |
| 10:39.41 | hyure | should i switch to sid now? |
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| 10:40.10 | crash_ | sid is pretty frozen at the moment beacuse of the stretch freeze |
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| 10:48.17 | towo^work | hyure, "those gpu drivers" should be what? |
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| 10:52.45 | hyure | towo^work 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV710/M92 [Mobility Radeon HD 4530/4570/545v] [1002:9553] |
| 10:53.11 | towo^work | you allwways have the drivers, radeon |
| 10:53.31 | towo^work | you need firmware-linux-nonfree for correct working |
| 10:53.49 | hyure | towo^work but they aren't there |
| 10:53.57 | towo^work | sure thay are |
| 10:53.58 | hyure | The AMD Catalyst Legacy driver - supporting the Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series - is not available for Debian 8 "Jessie", as upstream has not updated the driver for newer Xorg releases |
| 10:54.07 | hyure | https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 10:54.12 | towo^work | fglrx is dead |
| 10:54.24 | towo^work | you want the free radeon |
| 10:54.41 | hyure | however i tested a debian derivative (subgraph) and it actually worked |
| 10:54.49 | towo^work | and for them, you need firmware-linux-nonfree, or firmware-amd-graphics |
| 10:54.53 | hyure | - i.e. the drivers |
| 10:55.00 | towo^work | again, fglrx is dead |
| 10:55.03 | towo^work | period |
| 10:55.46 | hyure | ok will try hope it works |
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| 10:56.44 | hyure | The radeon driver in Debian 8 "Jessie" supports R100 to Hawaii (Radeon 7000 - Radeon R9 290) GPUs. |
| 10:56.53 | hyure | https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 10:57.14 | hyure | no 4350 :[ |
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| 10:57.32 | towo^work | sure, 4350 is supported, since ages |
| 10:57.59 | hyure | so i install xserver-xorg-video-ati ? |
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| 10:58.38 | towo^work | normaly xserver-xorg-video-ati comes preinstalled, if not, yes |
| 10:58.38 | hyure | and firmware-linux-nonfree ? |
| 10:58.49 | towo^work | and again, you need at minimum firmware-amd-graphics |
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| 10:59.08 | towo^work | and stretch support is in #debian-next on oftc network |
| 10:59.32 | hyure | ok will go there |
| 11:00.11 | hyure | thanks |
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| 11:51.16 | OtakuSenpai | why the fuck doesnt it work MAN!!! |
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| 11:52.52 | andre144k | someone knows how to restart a "usersession" inside vnc-viewer/vnc-server when i logged out xorg-session as user? |
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| 11:56.37 | OtakuSenpai | ,v runescape |
| 11:56.59 | judd | Package: runescape on amd64 -- sid/non-free: 0.1-4; stretch/non-free: 0.1-4 |
| 11:57.53 | OtakuSenpai | fuck it man |
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| 11:59.11 | OtakuSenpai | anyone help me |
| 11:59.23 | OtakuSenpai | its been like this for a FUCKING 3 hours |
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| 12:01.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | whats gooing on? |
| 12:02.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | runescape? |
| 12:02.19 | OtakuSenpai | i cant run runescape on debian stretch/sid |
| 12:02.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | whats the error you are getting? |
| 12:02.37 | teraflops | someone needs an infusion of lime |
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| 12:03.11 | OtakuSenpai | no error.just tht it hangs on the Loading applications part at 97% |
| 12:03.18 | OtakuSenpai | for a fucking 3 hours |
| 12:03.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | mmm |
| 12:04.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | well why dont u got well at the creators for runscape app.. |
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| 12:04.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | cause we are debian here and support anything but that. |
| 12:04.28 | teraflops | !testing |
| 12:04.28 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 12:04.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | oh yeah and that ^ |
| 12:05.29 | teraflops | there's a shorter factoid but I don't remember it |
| 12:05.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | haha |
| 12:06.54 | teraflops | OtakuSenpai: try asking in server/channel the factoid pointed to |
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| 12:08.51 | babilen | And also debug what it is doing (e.g. strace, ...) |
| 12:09.06 | babilen | Ah, non-free .. can't be arsed |
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| 12:12.29 | OtakuSenpai | babilen: teraflops i found the error |
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| 12:13.46 | teraflops | see? we help you after all... moral suport |
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| 12:15.05 | OtakuSenpai | teraflops: http://paste.debian.net/932509/ |
| 12:15.19 | OtakuSenpai | can you tell me where i can contact the developers? |
| 12:15.39 | teraflops | i have no idea |
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| 12:17.37 | altyr | OtakuSenpai: emailing jagex might work. it's a non-free program so nobody here will be able to fix it |
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| 12:17.54 | OtakuSenpai | hmm |
| 12:18.22 | altyr | you can try the official launcher from their website to see if there's any difference to the package in the debian repo |
| 12:18.27 | OtakuSenpai | teraflops: altyr what about Planeshift...is there a deb for tht? |
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| 12:19.37 | OtakuSenpai | its a free game and i tried their intaller a few days ago |
| 12:19.43 | OtakuSenpai | but its crappy |
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| 12:21.35 | altyr | OtakuSenpai: "apt search planeshift" and google are much faster than me |
| 12:22.10 | OtakuSenpai | ok |
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| 12:26.08 | altyr | OtakuSenpai: if you're looking for games in general the games-finest task contains a number of games included with debian. you can also install steam from the debian repos |
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| 12:27.25 | OtakuSenpai | altyr: ok ill see tht |
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| 12:30.58 | jonathan_x | question: I have a sparse file that I know for a fact contains about 900MB of real data. But when I copy it with cp --sparse=always only some 29MB of that remains in du -h |
| 12:31.04 | jonathan_x | how can that be? |
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| 12:40.53 | jonathan_x | meanwhile dd goes through the list of uallocated space at 636MB/s.... probably converting it to zeroes before making it sparse again. |
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| 12:42.19 | jonathan_x | thus far my "sparse experience" has been rather sparse ;-). |
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| 12:42.40 | jonathan_x | as in close to impossible... |
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| 12:44.05 | klacek | du -h --apparent-size |
| 12:44.17 | klacek | shows the expected 600mb? |
| 12:44.21 | jonathan_x | the apparent size is much bigger |
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| 12:44.26 | jonathan_x | 2TB |
| 12:44.49 | klacek | only the 'i know for a cadt' thing could be fishy here imho |
| 12:44.49 | klacek | :D |
| 12:44.57 | klacek | *fact |
| 12:45.02 | jonathan_x | it is an image of a root filesystem |
| 12:46.00 | klacek | apparent size on the replica? |
| 12:46.03 | jonathan_x | it really cannot have less than the amount of data put in there besides du -hcs shows the original image as having 900MB |
| 12:46.04 | klacek | 2tb? |
| 12:46.13 | jonathan_x | yes of course. |
| 12:46.19 | klacek | ... glhf |
| 12:46.20 | klacek | :) |
| 12:46.31 | jonathan_x | 2tb disk, root partition is 4gb |
| 12:46.40 | jonathan_x | and contains about 700MB of data I think. |
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| 12:46.52 | jonathan_x | a little more |
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| 12:48.09 | klacek | cp without sparse=always doesn't work as expected? |
| 12:48.29 | jonathan_x | the original image is fine, but cp takes 3 seconds to copy it, and ... idk really :p. |
| 12:48.48 | jonathan_x | dd takes like 15 minutes to copy 2tb of empty. :p. |
| 12:49.08 | klacek | 3 seconds seems legit for me copying ~ 600mb |
| 12:49.13 | jonathan_x | not on this system |
| 12:49.45 | jonathan_x | unless it is read from cache and written to cache |
| 12:49.45 | dob1 | what is a sparse file? |
| 12:49.53 | jonathan_x | a file with holes in it that are not allocated. |
| 12:50.02 | jonathan_x | and that would read as zeroes |
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| 12:50.11 | dob1 | why you have a file like this? |
| 12:50.14 | jonathan_x | without being read |
| 12:50.24 | jonathan_x | it's a good way to make images of mostly empty disks :p |
| 12:50.37 | jonathan_x | so the image doesn't cost 2tb but only 900MB on disk. |
| 12:50.53 | dob1 | ah ok, got it dd if=/dev/zero of=foo, like this =? |
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| 12:51.06 | klacek | yes |
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| 12:51.16 | dob1 | ok thanks |
| 12:51.17 | jonathan_x | that would happen for the holes. |
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| 12:53.07 | TandyUK | hey guys having i think a permissions issue trying to setup a user for remote backups onto one of my systems |
| 12:53.45 | TandyUK | we have a structure /data (owned by root:management), /data/backups (the same) and /data/backups/customer, whcih is owned by the new accoutn i just created for $user |
| 12:54.18 | TandyUK | /etc/passwd lists it correctly, but when logging in (using su - user), i get "No directory, logging in with HOME=/" |
| 12:54.27 | TandyUK | any suggestions what to check? |
| 12:54.39 | jonathan_x | whether the user has execute and read permissions on the upper directories. |
| 12:54.53 | jonathan_x | particularly execute I think. |
| 12:55.00 | TandyUK | ah the user isnt in management, an theyre not world reald/executable |
| 12:55.15 | jonathan_x | then they cannot traverse to that directory. |
| 12:55.24 | TandyUK | hmm ok, need to rethink this structure then |
| 12:55.31 | jonathan_x | ok, roger. |
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| 12:56.30 | jonathan_x | you only need execute |
| 12:56.42 | jonathan_x | it would leave the upper dirs unreadable, but you can get through them. |
| 12:57.07 | bezaban | which could be handy for hiding customers from each other |
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| 12:57.38 | jonathan_x | @ TandyUK |
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| 12:59.02 | TandyUK | yeah thats the goal, but while also having our management easily able to get the $customer backups |
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| 12:59.20 | jonathan_x | lol cp without --sparse=always did copy it normally :p. Thanks. |
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| 12:59.42 | every55bad | hi |
| 12:59.42 | every55bad | my cpu seems to always be at more than 10% usage even at idle |
| 12:59.52 | every55bad | wonder what the issue may be here |
| 13:00.01 | every55bad | it's due to xorg and gnome shell |
| 13:00.11 | jelly | didn't you just ask the same thing in #debian-next |
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| 13:00.53 | jelly | no, it was 20 minutes ago. Alright then |
| 13:01.01 | TandyUK | ah sorted :) |
| 13:01.31 | jonathan_x | TandyUK: so if you make the directories world traversable but not readable, and you make the customer directory not world readable nor traversable, you have what you want right. |
| 13:01.38 | bezaban | TandyUK: should be fine with 771 (or 775) on the upper directories, but there are more fine grained ACLs possible with setfacl |
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| 13:02.07 | bezaban | or redesign :) |
| 13:02.38 | TandyUK | generally world has no rights at all |
| 13:02.47 | bezaban | I agree to that approach |
| 13:02.58 | TandyUK | so ive just added o+x to the /data and /data/backups folders |
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| 13:03.27 | bezaban | with 771 you should only navigate there, and the actual customer data domain can restrict listing of contents |
| 13:03.37 | bezaban | s/domain/folder/ |
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| 13:06.59 | ForceRecon | how can you tell which hardware is associated with which wireless network |
| 13:08.59 | jelly | ForceRecon: lspci -k will show you which pci card uses which kernel module (driver) |
| 13:10.05 | bezaban | iwconfig should show more details about each connected network |
| 13:10.09 | jer0me | hey there, I have some weird "hard reboot when idle" issues on my thinkpad x220, where my laptop would hard reboot itself when idling for some time. Ever heard of something like that? |
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| 13:13.33 | jonathan_x | jer0me: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/04/msg01580.html |
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| 13:16.31 | jer0me | jonathan_x: weird indeed. The battery is brand new and the laptop is connectet to AC, the BIOS is up to date. |
| 13:16.46 | jer0me | Let's try to disable the shutdown stuff. |
| 13:17.52 | jonathan_x | bit annoying you only find these things after you buy something ;-). |
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| 13:20.31 | aypea[1] | hey folks. is there a boot paramater to tell initramfs to drop me to shell /before/ mounting rootfs? |
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| 13:25.04 | rjsalts | aypea[1]: you could do root=/nonexistent and it will fail to mount and drop you into busybox |
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| 13:27.36 | aypea[1] | rjsalts: a plan most-cunning. I like it. :) |
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| 13:28.35 | jer0me | jonathan_x: I don't know how to diagnose this issue further though. |
| 13:28.54 | jer0me | jonathan_x: there is actually no workaround in this post :( |
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| 13:30.22 | TandyUK | jer0me: do the logs actually indicate it is rebooting, could be some hardware issue causing it to reset, rather than reboot |
| 13:31.05 | jer0me | TandyUK: I can't find anything relevant in the logs :( I ram memtest for a couple hours this weekend. |
| 13:31.43 | Hyp3ri0n | i was away to watch TV,and when i came back i found my user login space in gdm to continuously show "failed to login" |
| 13:32.30 | TandyUK | well first id suggest running memtest overnight |
| 13:32.36 | Cl0udN9ne | how can i see what ip was trying to login to my user? |
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| 13:36.46 | donofrio | so question if you're locked into a chroot directory say /app for middleware services like apache, jboss, tomcat, etc, (openssl, curl, php) what do I do to keep chrooted apps as near to git'versioned as possable. What I mean is we have linux folks that run out vm's but they do not install or what version they install on os is just for os to use and probably nor the newest version, so we've been compiling like peasants and want to be |
| 13:36.46 | donofrio | able to use a package mangement mindset inside of the chrooted /app directory |
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| 13:41.04 | Cl0udN9ne | i changed my password to something else |
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| 13:41.28 | Cl0udN9ne | but caan i get help as to see which ip was trying to access my computer? |
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| 13:50.23 | jolt | donofrio: I would use docker or lxc containers for that stuff. Then they can install bleeding edge stuff, while you still retain some sanity. Not that docker have it's own issues, but atleast the apps are containerized. |
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| 13:54.39 | rocketmagnet | hey there, i've a short question: how on earth can add a custom command to an lxpanel ? i only get a list with the .desktop files for the system but i can't find an entry to add a custom command that can be started with the lxpanel :( |
| 13:55.10 | donofrio | jolt, but these are all built from git and such, it's almost like we need a emerge logic to the chrooted jail.... |
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| 13:58.44 | jolt | donofrio: This is not about debian really, but we build our docker images automatically by pulling from repos and then deploying on servers automatically with ansible. |
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| 14:03.57 | Iridos | rocketmagnet, "application launch bar" settings? |
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| 14:07.08 | Iridos | if you're talking about ~/.config/lxpanel/LXDE/panels |
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| 14:07.23 | rocketmagnet | Iridos: i've a "Panel settings" window where i can spaces, apps from the .desktop list but i find nothing like "custom command" |
| 14:07.32 | Iridos | yeah, I guess those are kind of internal mappings to whatever |
| 14:08.13 | Iridos | rocketmagnet, I just added those to the context menu editing .config/openbox/menu.xml |
| 14:08.56 | rocketmagnet | i just have the folder, the menu.xml file is missig |
| 14:09.02 | rocketmagnet | i'm on jessie here |
| 14:09.30 | rocketmagnet | do i realy need to create a custom .desktop file for every different variant want an icon for ??? |
| 14:09.37 | Iridos | oh, you probably want lxde-rc.xml |
| 14:09.40 | Iridos | or so |
| 14:09.49 | rocketmagnet | this file is here |
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| 14:10.14 | Iridos | not sure which is the active one⦠but by default lxde uses openbox as a DE |
| 14:10.33 | Iridos | and that file changes the context menue that you get when you right-click anywhere on the background |
| 14:10.45 | Iridos | and no idea how that panel works |
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| 14:11.23 | rocketmagnet | Iridos: but i see no other example of how to add my custom app (also own icon is important) |
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| 14:13.47 | Iridos | hm, seems so |
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| 14:14.03 | Iridos | and the .desktop files that the panel references are in /var/lib/menu-xdg/applications/menu-xdg/ |
| 14:14.11 | Cl0udN9ne | Iridos: can you help me? |
| 14:14.37 | Cl0udN9ne | i was away to watch TV,and when i came back i found my user login space in gdm to continuously show "failed to login" |
| 14:14.51 | Cl0udN9ne | how can i see what ip was trying to login to my user? |
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| 14:15.00 | Cl0udN9ne | i changed my password to something else |
| 14:15.08 | Cl0udN9ne | but caan i get help as to see which ip was trying to access my computer? |
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| 14:15.53 | Iridos | sounds more like someone tried to log on locally⦠where exactly did you see the message |
| 14:16.15 | Cl0udN9ne | in the gdm user login screen |
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| 14:16.31 | Cl0udN9ne | nobody could touch my computer at home |
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| 14:18.49 | donofrio | jolt, yes we use ansable as well ;) |
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| 14:22.26 | charlie_ | Is there a simple way to have âhdparm -y /dev/sda2â run on shutdown or reboot? |
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| 14:23.16 | Iridos | your cat could have hit "enter" which would have been sufficient |
| 14:24.13 | Iridos | charlie_, that doesn't make sense |
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| 14:31.08 | Iridos | and on normal home setups you'd be behind a nat and nobody could access the machine from remote either |
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| 14:34.34 | Iridos | and if you're not behind a nat, you'd still need to have /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf with something in the xdmcp section to allow for remote logins |
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| 14:35.17 | Hyp3ri0n | Iridos: i got logged out due to network issues |
| 14:35.25 | charlie_ | Iridos: itâs a command to spindown my usb drive before the power is cut to it. |
| 14:35.37 | Hyp3ri0n | how can i ban the ip which was trying to log into my system? |
| 14:35.40 | charlie_ | I want to run that before the machine restarts |
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| 14:37.09 | TvL2386 | charlie_: how about you create a systemd service or something that does that? |
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| 14:38.15 | TvL2386 | charlie_: and btw: doesn't the drive automatically spin up when something is mounting it or trying to access data? So you only have to bring it down on system halt/reboot |
| 14:38.48 | charlie_ | TvL2386: yeah, just spin down I need to worry about |
| 14:39.09 | charlie_ | Iâll have a look at what you suggested, thanks |
| 14:39.36 | Iridos | charlie_, yes, I know, but ACPI should shut it down as part of the poweroff event. And it doesn't make sense to shut it down for a reboot anyway, because a reboot starts reading for it again immediately |
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| 14:40.32 | TvL2386 | charlie_: yeah and you have to make sure that the spin down is the last thing that does something with the disk, otherwise it may spin up again |
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| 14:40.45 | charlie_ | Itâs plugged into a raspberry pi and its making this awful click sound when the power cuts to it for reboot the same as if I yank the cable out while its in use. |
| 14:41.19 | charlie_ | If I reboot my mac for example that correctly ejects the drive and puts it to standby before cycling the power. |
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| 14:41.29 | charlie_ | Thatâs why Iâm trying to do it manually. |
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| 14:41.42 | Iridos | oh, if it's external, that'd work⦠if you unmount it and it doesn't have / |
| 14:41.47 | TvL2386 | charlie_: maybe it's better do do 'hdparm -S <number> <dev>'... This causes the drive to spin down after a timeout (read the man page, it's not seconds) and execute this on systemd service stop.... On systemd service start you disable this again |
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| 14:42.06 | charlie_ | Yeah thats the command I was looking at and it works when I run it manually. |
| 14:42.22 | charlie_ | I want it to be run at reboot or shutdown though automatically. |
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| 14:42.32 | charlie_ | Sorry if I wasnt clear. |
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| 14:45.17 | missmbob | add it to cron |
| 14:45.49 | Hyp3ri0n | Iridos: can you help me bro? |
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| 14:45.54 | Hyp3ri0n | how can i ban the ip which was trying to log into my system? |
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| 14:46.25 | TvL2386 | Hyp3ri0n: "log into my system" you mean ssh into my system? |
| 14:46.36 | TvL2386 | Hyp3ri0n: in that case: fail2ban |
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| 14:47.07 | TvL2386 | or.... sudo iptables -I INPUT -s $ASSHOLE_IP -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP |
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| 14:50.44 | Hyp3ri0n | TvL2386: someone was trying to log into my user account which i noticed through multiple failed to login attempts at |
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| 14:51.24 | wr | icecat browser not on debian repos? |
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| 14:52.45 | altyr | ,v icecat |
| 14:52.46 | judd | No package named 'icecat' was found in amd64. |
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| 14:54.48 | at0m | Hyp3ri0n: have a look at fail2ban |
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| 14:55.04 | Hyp3ri0n | ok |
| 14:55.54 | TvL2386 | yup.... f2b like I said and the quick fix if you're worried: the iptables drop I just gave |
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| 14:56.43 | Iridos | charlie_, look at https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/56414/eject-cd-on-shutdown |
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| 14:56.50 | Iridos | "ejecting" a usb disk should spin it down |
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| 14:57.19 | Iridos | (you probably should try that on your disk using the "eject" command before trying to automate it) |
| 14:57.46 | Iridos | or rather https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-September/006573.html |
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| 14:58.57 | Iridos | or just copy the systemd blarb and use hdparm -y |
| 14:59.14 | tanay | how to install latest version of any software in a debian based distro-ustable |
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| 14:59.46 | Iridos | however that distro did or did not implement such a thing |
| 15:00.25 | TvL2386 | tanay: apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 15:01.09 | tanay | hmm. i am on deepin 15.4..... debian based. |
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| 15:05.59 | at0m | !debian-based |
| 15:05.59 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 15:06.10 | Iridos | you'll have to ask them. We only answer questions on debian |
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| 15:06.33 | Iridos | if only for the reason that there are about a gazillion distributions based on debian |
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| 15:07.13 | tanay | ok thanks! |
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| 15:08.00 | tanay | is there any way to add repository to debian based systems ? |
| 15:08.05 | Iridos | funnily I can't even find out where to ask |
| 15:09.28 | altyr | Iridos: it's chinese |
| 15:09.48 | altyr | so if you don't speak chinese it might be tricky |
| 15:09.48 | Iridos | yes, I figured that much out⦠and it's at https://www.deepin.org/en/ |
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| 15:11.34 | Iridos | possibly https://bbs.deepin.org/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=70 |
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| 15:13.25 | altyr | how does one teach dpkg about new things? might be handy to have it know about deepin as we've had multiple questions recently |
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| 15:16.01 | x032cx | !deepin |
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| 15:16.41 | Iridos | dpkg, deepin is <reply> deepin is a chinese distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at https://www.deepin.org/en/ |
| 15:16.42 | dpkg | Iridos: okay |
| 15:16.46 | Iridos | dpkg, deepin |
| 15:16.46 | dpkg | deepin is a chinese distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at https://www.deepin.org/en/ |
| 15:17.01 | Iridos | dpkg, ~= s/chinese/Chinese/ |
| 15:17.01 | dpkg | Iridos: are you using Windows? |
| 15:17.10 | Iridos | dpkg, =~ s/chinese/Chinese/ |
| 15:17.10 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Iridos |
| 15:17.12 | Iridos | meh |
| 15:17.21 | Iridos | dpkg, deepin ~= s/chinese/Chinese/ |
| 15:17.22 | dpkg | wish i knew, Iridos |
| 15:17.32 | Iridos | dpkg, deepin =~ s/chinese/Chinese/ |
| 15:17.32 | dpkg | Iridos: OK |
| 15:17.37 | Iridos | holy fuck |
| 15:17.47 | x032cx | !deepin |
| 15:17.48 | dpkg | deepin is a Chinese distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at https://www.deepin.org/en/ |
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| 15:18.08 | altyr | that should do |
| 15:18.18 | Iridos | how is it I can never get that right, despite it being the same as in perl |
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| 15:18.50 | tanay | who is dpkg? a bot? |
| 15:18.54 | altyr | maybe it's because it's like perl? |
| 15:18.57 | altyr | tanay: yes |
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| 15:19.05 | tanay | wao..... :) |
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| 15:20.51 | altyr | !beer tanay |
| 15:20.51 | dpkg | pulls out an exquisite Jever for tanay |
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| 15:27.48 | charlie_ | Iridos: thanks for the link, works perfectly |
| 15:29.32 | jelly | dpkg: listvals deepin |
| 15:29.34 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'deepin' by value (1): deepin. |
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| 16:02.20 | nafetsreuab | hi, after latest security updates for mariadb (installed with apt-get dist-upgrade), package mariadb-server-10.0 is in state iF and upgrade process was not successful, how can i fix this? https://paste.debian.net/932563/ |
| 16:03.20 | somiaj | nafetsreuab: you are in a half-configured state, first try, dpkg --configure -a |
| 16:03.55 | nafetsreuab | somiaj: i did, see paste log, its stall |
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| 16:04.39 | somiaj | that log does not give me the output of dpkg --configure -a |
| 16:05.34 | jelly | nafetsreuab: are you still logged in on pts/1 somewhere (screen, tmux)? |
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| 16:06.04 | nafetsreuab | no, its after a restart of the server |
| 16:06.24 | jelly | are you SURE you actually restarted the server? |
| 16:07.14 | jelly | that ps output suggests it was not restarted since last apt run. |
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| 16:10.22 | jelly | nafetsreuab: kill (but not with -9) any dpkg processes, then run "dpkg --configure -a" inside script -f, then if/when it hangs again, pastebin the contents of the log (file named typescript by default) |
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| 16:12.59 | nafetsreuab | jelly: what is this inside script -f part? |
| 16:13.12 | nafetsreuab | i dont get it, is output of px aus enough? |
| 16:14.03 | nafetsreuab | https://paste.debian.net/932565/ |
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| 16:14.38 | Iridos | dunno⦠is the output of ps telling you what's happening and what you have to do? |
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| 16:15.03 | jelly | nafetsreuab: so dpkg --configure -a says just that one line? |
| 16:15.10 | nafetsreuab | correct |
| 16:15.36 | jelly | nafetsreuab: does it react to Ctrl-C ? |
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| 16:16.13 | nafetsreuab | https://paste.debian.net/932566/ |
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| 16:17.25 | jelly | nafetsreuab: okay, now try to figure where it hangs. run again, and instead of ctrl-c do a ctrl-z |
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| 16:17.44 | nafetsreuab | done |
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| 16:17.45 | jelly | nafetsreuab: then look up the dpkg pid, "jobs -p" |
| 16:18.10 | jelly | then pastebin the output of pstree -Apa PID-OF-DPKG-HERE |
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| 16:19.00 | nafetsreuab | https://paste.debian.net/932567/ |
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| 16:19.52 | jelly | nafetsreuab: okay... seems like it's doing something. |
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| 16:20.28 | jelly | > DESCRIPTION mysql_install_db initializes the MySQL data directory and creates the system tables that it contains, if they do not exist. |
| 16:21.10 | jelly | nafetsreuab: put it back into foreground and let it finish, I guess. "fg" |
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| 16:21.48 | jelly | nafetsreuab: what's the longest you waited before deciding it's hung? |
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| 16:22.12 | nafetsreuab | a few minutes, top is not showing any load or i/o |
| 16:22.21 | setup | HELLO! |
| 16:22.29 | setup | do ytou use windows 7? |
| 16:22.46 | jelly | nafetsreuab: yeah, that's slightly suspicious |
| 16:22.56 | setup | IKR |
| 16:22.58 | Iridos | top won't show i/o |
| 16:22.59 | jelly | setup: some people in ##windows channel probably do. |
| 16:23.13 | jelly | atop will show i/o |
| 16:23.36 | nafetsreuab | no easy way to install it atm |
| 16:23.49 | setup | ATM run WINDOWS XP |
| 16:23.53 | Iridos | so will iotop |
| 16:24.00 | setup | @Jelly |
| 16:24.06 | setup | but some do dualboot |
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| 16:24.46 | jelly | setup: that is not relevant for a place where Debian-specific issues are discussed |
| 16:25.49 | setup | But, it is. Dual booting is specific to all OS that is install |
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| 16:25.57 | jelly | setup: unless you have a question about your Debian installation, please keep quiet. We have #debian-offtopic for chat about things that are not support related. |
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| 16:26.10 | nafetsreuab | jelly: thank you. its done. |
| 16:26.18 | nafetsreuab | i stopped all processes that used the sql database |
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| 16:26.20 | Iridos | heh |
| 16:26.45 | setup | sorry |
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| 16:27.24 | jelly | nafetsreuab: mysql_install_db sounds like something that only gets run during initial installation or MAYBE a major server upgrade. If you've just migrated from mysql to maria, perhaps this is normal |
| 16:27.35 | jelly | I'm guessing wildly at this point. |
| 16:28.14 | jelly | nafetsreuab: hope you have backups of your schemas! |
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| 16:29.34 | nafetsreuab | this was just a security update. |
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| 16:30.40 | jelly | I'm clueless about maria. Perhaps it was a security upgrade that did a change in internal server stuff. Who knows. |
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| 16:37.52 | ChrisH | When searching for CPU usage limit for a eg. vlc convert job, where do I need to start searching. nice is not enough here |
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| 16:39.34 | Iridos | how many cores does the machine have? |
| 16:39.45 | Iridos | and how much of your memory do you use |
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| 16:40.11 | fdgvs | hi guys |
| 16:40.19 | fdgvs | how can i force a module to unload? |
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| 16:40.27 | fdgvs | specifically, i want to fore unload i915 |
| 16:40.40 | fdgvs | force* |
| 16:40.45 | fdgvs | i have already stopped X |
| 16:40.51 | jelly | fdgvs: if it's in use by something, like the framebuffer console, you can't. |
| 16:40.59 | fdgvs | ahh right that is using it |
| 16:41.01 | fdgvs | true |
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| 16:41.08 | ChrisH | Iridos: 2 cores, 1 socket; memory: RSS abt. 250MB |
| 16:41.11 | fdgvs | why doesnt lsmod show me that someone is using it? |
| 16:41.28 | jelly | fdgvs: does it have 0 next to that module name? |
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| 16:41.46 | fdgvs | i915 957864 3 |
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| 16:41.50 | fdgvs | thats what it says |
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| 16:42.03 | jelly | 3 means three... somethings are using it. |
| 16:42.11 | fdgvs | ohh is that '3' column saying that 3 other modules depend on it? |
| 16:42.16 | fdgvs | ohh ok |
| 16:42.22 | fdgvs | how can i find out which modules those are? |
| 16:42.25 | jelly | not necessarily modules. |
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| 16:42.41 | fdgvs | lsof comes to mind, but not sure how to use to to find module deps |
| 16:42.44 | jelly | could be userspace, could be a builtin part of the kernel |
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| 16:43.04 | Iridos | ChrisH, you can pin it to one core (both processes, if need be)⦠but if you're swapping that won't help⦠if some other disk IO is blocking ⦠well dunno. |
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| 16:43.26 | Iridos | well, it'll block any other IO operations⦠|
| 16:43.27 | jelly | fdgvs: I don't remember if it's possible to unload it once it got hold of the console. |
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| 16:43.49 | jelly | fdgvs: the simplest thing to do is blacklist the module and reboot |
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| 16:44.21 | jelly | !blacklist |
| 16:44.21 | dpkg | To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 16:44.24 | Iridos | ChrisH, use iotop to (hopefully) see disk usage⦠actually⦠guess you can also see disk usage in /sys/cgroups |
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| 16:45.02 | jelly | !kms |
| 16:45.02 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 16:45.09 | Iridos | make that /sys/fs/cgroup |
| 16:45.18 | ChrisH | Iridos: I simply want to restrict the CPU Usage to avoid other process to slow down. If the convert needs more time it is no problem.. IO shpuld not be the problem, as there is a dedicated VG/PV for this kind of jobs. |
| 16:45.44 | Iridos | well, then pin it to one core, everything else can use the other one⦠|
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| 16:45.51 | jelly | fdgvs: ^^ maybe that is enough. But then you still have to be careful not to start X without xorg.conf, because it's going to autodetect and load it again if you do |
| 16:46.20 | Iridos | nice should already put that into scheduling, though |
| 16:47.26 | fdgvs | jelly: ok, so it seems i have to reboot to disable i915 |
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| 16:48.22 | Walakea | why is the latest eclipse package of version 3.8? |
| 16:48.51 | jelly | because noone packaged anything newer |
| 16:48.58 | Walakea | are the newer one hard to package or no people are doing it? |
| 16:49.05 | jelly | why not both |
| 16:49.14 | Walakea | it is not xor |
| 16:49.33 | Walakea | although it sounds so |
| 16:49.49 | jelly | oh... then, "yes" |
| 16:50.00 | Walakea | i successfully got the official version running but it is inconvenient |
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| 16:50.08 | jelly | ,v eclipse |
| 16:50.15 | judd | Package: eclipse on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.8.0~rc4-1; jessie: 3.8.1-7; sid: 3.8.1-8; stretch: 3.8.1-10; sid: 3.8.1-10 |
| 16:50.18 | Walakea | messes up my /home dir |
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| 16:50.36 | Walakea | the latest one is 4.3 |
| 16:50.56 | ChrisH | Iridos: cpulimit seems to provide such faetures, but it looks like it need a started process to limit. I hoped for something during startup.... I will continue searching |
| 16:50.57 | jelly | Walakea: did you check the bug reports? |
| 16:51.09 | jelly | judd: bug #681726 |
| 16:51.10 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/681726 in eclipse (open, help, upstream): «eclipse: Upgrade to latest upstream release (HELP WANTED)»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2012-07-15; last modified: 2016-12-16. |
| 16:51.22 | jelly | Walakea: see that HELP WANTED sign |
| 16:51.25 | Walakea | i am not so advanced user |
| 16:51.53 | jelly | if you want it, help |
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| 16:53.25 | Walakea | although i would like to i still do not know anything about debian packaging proccess |
| 16:54.03 | Iridos | well⦠set your facebook status to "it's complicated" or something ^^ |
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| 16:54.24 | jelly | learning is HARD! |
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| 17:07.44 | skrite | hello all ! |
| 17:08.03 | Skie | Hello! I finished building this sweet desktop computer with 32 Gb RAM, 2 Tb HDD and the AMD Bulldozer 8350.I made a 6 (4 on top 2 bellow) display array and just installed latest Linuxmint. Problem being that i have one Nvidia Gforce gtx950 and a AMD Radeon R7 370x and can only get one of the two to work at a time |
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| 17:08.34 | jelly | !mint |
| 17:08.35 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 17:10.04 | Skie | jelly: i am asking here because i want to come back home to Debian. Question is, is it possible to run two different maker graphics cards? |
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| 17:16.41 | jelly | Skie: in general, yes if all the cards use open source drivers, and if there are no other bugs preventing such a setup. No idea about non-free drivers, or some combination of free and non-free, maybe it's possible, maybe not |
| 17:17.30 | jelly | Skie: this isn't a debian-specific answer, just an observation of how my onboard intel and discrete nvidia interact. |
| 17:17.48 | jelly | ask in #xorg, you may get a better answer |
| 17:18.26 | Skie | jelly: that is an awfully good idea. :D thanks :) |
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| 17:22.49 | Plushfish | Hi |
| 17:23.01 | Plushfish | I heard Debian doesn't update every package? Or am I wrong? |
| 17:23.12 | Skie | Plushfish: what you mean? |
| 17:23.35 | Plushfish | I mean you have yout 43.000 packages - does every single update get security updates and bug fixes? |
| 17:23.41 | Plushfish | I don't care for new features or so |
| 17:23.43 | Plushfish | Just security |
| 17:23.57 | Plushfish | *about |
| 17:24.08 | Plushfish | *single package |
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| 17:24.55 | laurus | What is the easiest most hassle-free way to emulate a Raspberry Pi on Debian Jessie? |
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| 17:25.52 | BillKGR | laurus, qemu is for sure a popular way |
| 17:26.05 | altyr | laurus: buying one and connecting to it over ssh |
| 17:26.15 | laurus | BillKGR, I'm totally confused about how to do that. I tried following the tutorial on the Debian Wiki but it didn't work. |
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| 17:27.17 | SwedeMike | laurus: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/emulate-raspberry-pi-pc/ |
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| 17:27.35 | SwedeMike | laurus: https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/165/emulation-on-a-linux-pc |
| 17:28.00 | laurus | SwedeMike, is it safe to have "root=/dev/sda2" there? |
| 17:28.07 | laurus | Currently my real hard drive uses /dev/sda2. |
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| 17:28.18 | SwedeMike | of course you need to adapt to whatever your conditions are. |
| 17:28.40 | laurus | Well what would I put there? |
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| 17:33.32 | jelly | laurus: the emulated /dev/sda will typically be just a file on the filesystem somewhere, and you're going to run qemu as normal user anyway so it won't be able to access physical /dev/sda2 by default |
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| 17:40.08 | inch | laurus: I |
| 17:40.22 | inch | say that the most hassle-free way depends on what you need to do. |
| 17:40.44 | laurus | inch, actually I just want to be able to write assembler programs on the chipset inside the machine. |
| 17:40.49 | laurus | The "machine", that is. |
| 17:41.02 | laurus | Without actually having to have a physical one and SSH to it. |
| 17:41.12 | inch | In some cases you can unpack the raspbian installation in a directory and chroot to it by using qemu-arm-static. |
| 17:41.35 | laurus | inch, that sounds promising |
| 17:41.49 | inch | Sometimes that is enough and sometimes it is not. |
| 17:43.17 | inch | In raspbian case you need to remove /etc/ld.so.preload that loads some library that makes some things fail with qemu |
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| 17:45.57 | inch | copy emulator binary: install /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static /path/to/chroot/usr/bin/ |
| 17:46.37 | inch | then write some word to /path/to/chroot/etc/debian_chroot that changes the prompt conveniently when you are in the chroot |
| 17:47.43 | inch | and of course fix etc/resolv.conf, mount /proc, /sys, /dev etc. in the chroot if needed |
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| 17:48.21 | laurus | Thanks inch . |
| 17:48.31 | laurus | And I have to do all that every time I want to load it up, right? |
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| 17:49.37 | inch | If you need those, then yes. |
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| 17:50.01 | inch | Write a script to run the mount commands. |
| 17:50.42 | laurus | OK thanks inch. |
| 17:50.44 | laurus | Thank you very much. |
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| 17:54.53 | teraflops | !gm |
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| 17:54.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gm is Gambia |
| 17:55.27 | teraflops | sorry wrong buffer |
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| 18:17.01 | sumit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:20.46 | maxdml | Is it worth using RRDtool to store simple time series, instead of using something like a pair of arrays? |
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| 18:22.36 | ForceRecon | what do we use in debian vs arp-a |
| 18:23.20 | ForceRecon | is there an arp cache |
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| 18:25.35 | Iridos | maxdml, depends |
| 18:25.36 | Iridos | ^^ |
| 18:25.47 | maxdml | :) |
| 18:25.52 | JPT | There should be a tool called "arp" which basically does exactly the same thing. |
| 18:26.04 | JPT | Maybe you need to find the package and install it |
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| 18:26.25 | Iridos | probably not |
| 18:26.27 | maxdml | Iridos, I don't really need fancy features, just to be able to retrieve data per time, and perform some stat function |
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| 18:26.50 | mutante | ForceRecon: try just running "arp" as root |
| 18:26.54 | maxdml | right now I don't even need the graphic features proposed by rrdtool |
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| 18:27.14 | maxdml | but I wonder if it is so well optimized in terms of read/write that it would be beneficial |
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| 18:27.59 | Iridos | I think one of the main features is that it just flows over and so rrd file size never grows |
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| 18:28.09 | ForceRecon | mutante, nicely done |
| 18:28.12 | ForceRecon | thanks |
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| 18:29.17 | Iridos | and if you get more data points than you want to record, it does automatic averaging⦠and it can also do that on a couple of more operations, like going to a more coarse scale |
| 18:29.41 | Iridos | but then it has a couple of what I kind of consider non-features |
| 18:31.11 | Iridos | like that you *have* to save data into it at least once a tick on your scale, else there is a gap⦠or that you cannot store data out of order (i.e if you save a data point from "now" you cannot fill up a data point 10 minutes ago if that doesn't go into the same tick) |
| 18:31.43 | Iridos | or the reverse polish notation, which I find unintuitive (bet one gets used to that if one uses it a lot, though) |
| 18:33.34 | Iridos | and yes, it's pretty optimized for writing⦠doesn't mean writing to ~70000 rrds all the time doesn't create hell |
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| 18:35.11 | Iridos | from what I heard whisper is about a factor of 3 slower |
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| 18:42.37 | onee-chan | what is the channel for debian testing on freenode? |
| 18:43.04 | missmbob | there isnt one |
| 18:43.08 | onee-chan | oh |
| 18:43.16 | missmbob | !oftc |
| 18:43.16 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 18:43.31 | onee-chan | well can't wait when testing gets realeased |
| 18:43.56 | missmbob | you have a while. late aug maybe |
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| 18:44.21 | galex-713 | How to, under debian, copy the mbr from one hard disk to another? |
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| 18:44.40 | missmbob | dd works |
| 18:44.43 | ForceRecon | wow I am interested in that too |
| 18:44.46 | galex-713 | dd how much? |
| 18:45.07 | galex-713 | 4MiB? 4MB? 2MB? 1? 8K |
| 18:45.10 | galex-713 | *? |
| 18:45.28 | onee-chan | lol, last time I was here, predictions were for late june |
| 18:46.06 | missmbob | 512 bytes |
| 18:46.08 | rudi_s | galex-713: 512B, the first secotr of the disk. |
| 18:46.12 | rudi_s | *sector |
| 18:46.14 | rudi_s | ForceRecon: ^ |
| 18:46.24 | onee-chan | and the green line on release critical bugs is getting pretty close to 0 |
| 18:46.39 | onee-chan | unless something major introduces new bugs again |
| 18:46.46 | missmbob | not it's not. been around 135 for over a month |
| 18:46.47 | galex-713 | so⦠dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc bs=512 count=1 should work? |
| 18:46.55 | missmbob | yes |
| 18:47.11 | galex-713 | ok |
| 18:48.14 | galex-713 | since I lost one of my sata cables, will do dd if=/dev/sdb of=mbr.bin bs=512 count=1 ; switch disks ; dd if=mbr.bin of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1; will probably work too |
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| 18:48.31 | missmbob | yes |
| 18:48.58 | humbot | except |
| 18:49.09 | ForceRecon | making lunch.. re read.. rudi_s watch |
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| 18:49.57 | ForceRecon | galex-713, mmmmmmmmm |
| 18:50.10 | galex-713 | what? |
| 18:50.26 | ForceRecon | are you putting that drive in the exact same spot |
| 18:50.45 | galex-713 | what do you mean by spot? |
| 18:50.53 | ForceRecon | ahh.. never mind.. never mind |
| 18:51.00 | galex-713 | I connect it through the same cable which stays connected to the same port |
| 18:51.04 | ForceRecon | better off reading then writing |
| 18:51.10 | ForceRecon | yeah |
| 18:51.13 | ForceRecon | I seee |
| 18:51.15 | missmbob | you can ignore him |
| 18:51.28 | humbot | i'd guess sdb will not be given out again straight away, but if you're rebooting to swap, then fine |
| 18:51.43 | galex-713 | missmbob, well if he didnât understand something I donât see problem in trying to help him understand :) |
| 18:52.10 | galex-713 | humbot, given out again straight away? |
| 18:52.14 | ForceRecon | wtf missmbob |
| 18:52.19 | ForceRecon | you know me? |
| 18:52.31 | galex-713 | ârebooting to swapâ? you mean resuming hibernation? donât understand the relationship |
| 18:52.37 | missmbob | it'll get the same drive name the very next boot |
| 18:52.45 | humbot | yes |
| 18:52.47 | humbot | sorry |
| 18:53.48 | rudi_s | galex-713: swap = switch drives |
| 18:54.17 | galex-713 | missmbob, nope, if I disconnect a drive and reconnect another, it has the same name |
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| 18:54.26 | galex-713 | if I disconnect before to reconnect the other |
| 18:55.19 | missmbob | that's what i said |
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| 18:56.44 | galex-713 | why you said âthe very next bootâ then? |
| 18:57.53 | missmbob | i'm not sure how what you just said is any different. but i'm really tired and dont care anyway |
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| 18:59.48 | galex-713 | ah ok |
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| 19:03.08 | ForceRecon | so tired of know it alls |
| 19:03.33 | ForceRecon | then they use that level of intimidation and get tired of helping.. useless.. |
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| 19:04.16 | missmbob | i told exact how to backup his mbr. nice try though. |
| 19:04.46 | missmbob | did you tell him to bs=512? not you didnt. i did |
| 19:05.17 | ForceRecon | hey missmob.. not everyone gets it on the first try.. you have to hand hold or don't answer at all.. otherwise its useless.. not everyone knows what you know or understands what you are saying no matter how silly it may soun |
| 19:05.18 | ForceRecon | d |
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| 19:05.51 | galex-713 | ForceRecon, I prefer a bad answer I can, at worse, investigate/ask with more info somewhere else than no answer at all |
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| 19:06.28 | ForceRecon | galex-713, I apologize for speaking for you.. just gets tiring |
| 19:06.42 | galex-713 | and actually I understood at the first time, then it was only misunderstandement on useless comments on already achieved help and if heâs tired of talking about unnecessary stuff thatâs not helping itâs okay |
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| 19:07.50 | maxdml | Iridos, thanks |
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| 19:11.55 | ForceRecon | galex-713, completely understand what you are saying.. too bad the people that help don't quite get that if they helped more with less attitude linux would take over the world.. |
| 19:12.39 | missmbob | maybe you should join #ubuntu. i've be helping in #debian for 15 years. this is what it's like. we're all volunteers |
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| 19:13.04 | ForceRecon | yeah no wonder linux has a 2% market share.. |
| 19:13.19 | missmbob | yes, i'm that powerful |
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| 19:14.36 | zykotick9 | remembers seeing missmbob help a lot of people in #d... ForceRecon not so much... |
| 19:14.56 | humbot | i've installed thunderbird for debian stable, but can't login to gmail, it passes my address to the login window, but the 'Next' button does nothing |
| 19:15.19 | ForceRecon | you know that sound that sounds like ass kissing.. I think I just heard it |
| 19:15.22 | missmbob | i had a different nick. markybob. i'm the one who created the first unofficial xfs installer for debian |
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| 19:15.58 | humbot | there's a few oldish reports of this happening, they recommend changing various settings in gmail, but i haven't succeeded yet |
| 19:16.01 | ForceRecon | congrats.. loose the attitude when teaching and maybe people will like you more upon first contact.. it would help the linux cause |
| 19:16.22 | at0m | ForceRecon: can you keep it on-topic? |
| 19:16.29 | wachpwnski-mobi | I'm not getting how packages are lined up in terms of making a repository directory structure. If I look at the dpkg info it will tell me its section could be "main" or "libdevel", but not matter what it is, all binaries go into the pool/main directory. Can someone explain to me how that works? |
| 19:16.37 | ForceRecon | I thought that was the topic |
| 19:16.40 | ForceRecon | but okay |
| 19:16.50 | humbot | is this a continuing problem, should i install thunderbird 52 from their site, or have i missed something ? |
| 19:16.58 | at0m | the topic is in the channel name, actually. |
| 19:18.05 | missmbob | humbot: i moved to evolution because thunderbird has various problems, so as no 2 step auth support. is you use online accounts in gnome-control-center it just works |
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| 19:18.13 | vutral | eh |
| 19:18.16 | missmbob | such as* |
| 19:18.25 | maxdml | Does gmail embed PGP usage? |
| 19:18.26 | galex-713 | ForceRecon, thatâs absolutely not in relationship with help if *GNU/*Linux has only 2% market share, thatâs partially because itâs not counted enough because often itâs informally and non-commercially diffused, and also because all the computers comes with Windows pre-installed, and because schools teach with either Windows or Mac OS (for the riches one) |
| 19:18.34 | vutral | can you fix systemd from killing every boot just because of a fstab entry which couldnt be mountecd |
| 19:18.38 | maxdml | or do I have to use a client like thunderbird? |
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| 19:19.09 | missmbob | maxdml: if you use various extensions such as mailenvelop the one i use cryptup |
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| 19:19.37 | maxdml | missmbob, I see, thanks |
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| 19:21.20 | humbot | use the nofail flag in fstab i think |
| 19:21.30 | humbot | err, vutral ^^^ |
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| 19:22.01 | vutral | hi humbot |
| 19:22.25 | humbot | if that's a suitable solution for you |
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| 19:22.55 | vutral | humbot: in more than the half of cases i need a running system to fix problems : |
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| 19:45.41 | pthreat | I have jessie 8.8 I just installed it, I have no sound, Codec: Intel Haswell HDMI |
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| 19:47.02 | GNU\colossus | pthreat, have you tried installing the jessie-backports kernel image? |
| 19:47.09 | GNU\colossus | it might fix your problem without much ado |
| 19:47.26 | pthreat | GNU\colossus: I haven't |
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| 19:48.06 | pthreat | Could you copy the apt repo so I can fetch it? |
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| 19:49.04 | igorx | pthreat, https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 19:50.08 | pthreat | gotcha |
| 19:50.09 | pthreat | thanks! |
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| 19:52.00 | pthreat | GNU\colossus: I'll let you know what's up in a few |
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| 19:57.02 | pthreat | GNU\colossus: And viola, worked |
| 19:57.05 | pthreat | voila* |
| 19:57.07 | pthreat | thanks man |
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| 19:58.35 | SuperTramp83 | ForceRecon, it is my understanding GNU/Linux has a 2% market share because 98% of the world population is 'computer illiterate'. Also, misinformation, monopoly and social pressure appear to contribute a lot to the sad state. |
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| 20:00.26 | ryouma | i have an external hard drive that is giving kernel errors including "Sense Key : Hardware Error [current] [descriptor]". google suggests it's a false positive. is it? http://sprunge.us/jEXW |
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| 20:03.44 | ForceRecon | SuperTramp83, with no disrespect please.. they are illiterate to linux as much as you are to cisco or windows or mac.. it has nothing to do with illiteracy it has to do with ease of usage, simplicity and nice pictures, hence why linux is moving away from the comamand line. the sad state is people want to do, now, and not learn ever.. and those of us that do want to learn are looked at like we are morons on these channels since we don't know as much |
| 20:03.44 | ForceRecon | as the other that have been working in this somewhat forgotten field.. |
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| 20:05.27 | SuperTramp83 | ForceRecon, Windows is not easy to use. It's just a myth |
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| 20:06.07 | avalon_ | it is fun to me to use it |
| 20:06.17 | avalon_ | pleasure ;) |
| 20:07.37 | avalon_ | more fun than pleasure, but ok |
| 20:07.51 | ForceRecon | SuperTramp83, that is because you did not start on dos, go to windows 1 and then 2 and then 3.1 did not spend 2 decades in school for server support or do the migration from novell to windows for Merck Pharma at the HQ in NJ. You did not build the servers from scratch, create the domain controll and backup controll, exchange servers and utilize PCDOC for document management for 8000 people.. hence why it is not easy for you.. for me, it flows |
| 20:07.51 | ForceRecon | like water |
| 20:08.08 | ForceRecon | and I am sure it works the same way for you with linux then it does for me |
| 20:08.16 | ForceRecon | but we are not on a windows channel are wel |
| 20:09.32 | igorx | ForceRecon: made my day, high5 man :) |
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| 20:12.21 | ForceRecon | igorx, (* ´ â`)人(´âï½*) |
| 20:12.34 | SuperTramp83 | ForceRecon, what I'm saying is people think it is easy coz they are used to it, it's basically the only "OS" they ever tried to use. Windows is not easy to use. It's just people are more familiar with it. Mint is much more easy to use than any version of Windows. And I know it by experience. I installed that shit on a load of computers and very rarely has anyone had any issue with it. If you put a child with 0 experience in front of |
| 20:12.34 | SuperTramp83 | two monitors, one with win$ and the other with any user-friendly GNU/linux distro and ask them after a few hours which one they find easier to use... |
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| 20:13.20 | SuperTramp83 | but enough of offtopicing for me. cheers |
| 20:13.57 | ForceRecon | SuperTramp83, you are correct.. hence why I am here.. I had a lady who could F up a windows install that took 12 hours to complete in 10 minutes utilize yahoo email.. |
| 20:14.11 | ForceRecon | I installed linux mint on her laptop.. no problem after a month |
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| 20:14.16 | ForceRecon | I agree.. |
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| 20:15.16 | ForceRecon | but I am one of the good guys pushing it.. I just can't stand all the attitude on the help channels to support it.. like it should be so simple.. its not.. well not to those of us that have not used it for more then 3 months |
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| 20:16.31 | ForceRecon | she won't know how to do updates, or that there is a password in there or remember it if she needs too.. older folk, but it works for now.. so that's a good thing in my book |
| 20:16.48 | missmbob | !offtopic |
| 20:16.49 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 20:17.09 | ForceRecon | yes boss.. |
| 20:17.38 | missmbob | you act as if i made the channel. you can complain with it in #debian-offtopic |
| 20:18.08 | ForceRecon | just giving respect because I was off topic and you are doing the proper thing.. |
| 20:18.12 | ForceRecon | I mean that |
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| 20:20.18 | humbot | ugh |
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| 20:28.14 | galex-713 | Hi |
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| 20:28.42 | galex-713 | normally, âcopy partitionâ with gparted + copy mbr with dd should work to copy windows from one disk to another? |
| 20:28.45 | galex-713 | right? |
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| 20:29.43 | Nik05 | galex-713 what windows version? And maybe you should ask in ##windows |
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| 20:30.06 | galex-713 | windows 7, dunno if they know about gparted/dd |
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| 20:30.28 | galex-713 | probably they would redirect me on the channel of the OS that the tools are from, that is here |
| 20:30.44 | Nik05 | You can also use something like Clonezilla, that way it only copies used space |
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| 20:33.01 | petn-randall | galex-713: Depends on many factors. For example, if you boot via UEFI, you also need to copy the EFI System Partition. |
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| 20:47.51 | galex-713 | petn-randall, MBR |
| 20:47.56 | galex-713 | BIOS then |
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| 20:48.15 | galex-713 | Nik05, ntfsclone do that normally |
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| 20:54.35 | missmbob | dd bs=512 |
| 20:56.11 | galex-713 | missmbob, yes thatâs what I did |
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| 20:57.03 | petn-randall | + count=1 |
| 20:57.06 | galex-713 | missmbob, yes thatâs what I did |
| 20:57.13 | galex-713 | petn-randall, +that yes |
| 20:57.18 | petn-randall | :) |
| 20:57.22 | galex-713 | and windows does a bsod on boot |
| 20:57.32 | galex-713 | with a âcoundnât mountâ error |
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| 20:58.44 | galex-713 | oh but⦠|
| 20:58.45 | galex-713 | wait⦠|
| 20:58.49 | galex-713 | my fault |
| 20:58.54 | galex-713 | even debian canât mount it |
| 20:58.59 | galex-713 | probably copied it wrong |
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| 21:00.08 | ufa | hiii |
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| 21:00.14 | ufa | I have just update my pi, and now my ecryptfs usb partition is not sowing the filenames :( |
| 21:00.18 | ufa | it mounts the filesystem but i cannot cd into it |
| 21:00.28 | ufa | does anyone have a clue about it? |
| 21:00.38 | ufa | I can mount it, but cannot cd into it |
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| 21:03.28 | altyr | ufa: are you running raspbian on that? if yes better ask in #raspbian |
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| 21:06.02 | ufa | altyr: ok, thanks |
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| 21:20.47 | rebrec | hello |
| 21:22.46 | rebrec | Each time i boot my computer, i get my / mounted RO. If i remount RW manually, it works. i get an error from systemd-remount-fs which tells that it can't find some UUID partition But this UUID is not the correct one... I suspect an initrd image not well rebuild (i don't master all of this, i just tried to do an update-initramfs -k all -c and reboot but i still have the same problem (/ mounted RO) any ideas please ? |
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| 21:24.52 | petn-randall | rebrec: Does your /etc/fstab list your rootfs correctly? |
| 21:26.24 | uxfi | hello pet |
| 21:26.34 | rebrec | petn-randall: damn... i think you just fixed my problem |
| 21:26.41 | rebrec | thanks (so easy/fast) |
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| 21:26.52 | rebrec | i will reboot to test thanks a lot |
| 21:26.56 | rebrec | brb |
| 21:27.11 | hanasaki | what happens to https traffic that hits squid ? |
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| 21:28.46 | rebrec | thanks petn-randall it was just that ... |
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| 21:29.10 | petn-randall | hanasaki: Is it used as HTTPS proxy? |
| 21:29.22 | petn-randall | rebrec: You're welcome, glad I could help. |
| 21:29.37 | rebrec | petn-randall: do you know how i could have my partition UUID to get changed after a dist-upgrade ? UUID are not related to anything about the OS packages right ? |
| 21:30.00 | rebrec | i wonder how i have been able to "change this UUID" (probably during an upgrade process) |
| 21:30.25 | petn-randall | hanasaki: Then the client issues a HTTP CONNECT, after that squid just proxies encrypted bytes back and forth, neither seeing the content, nor being able to cache it. |
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| 21:31.00 | petn-randall | rebrec: They don't get changed on upgrade. Maybe you formatted the partition at some point? |
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| 21:31.48 | rebrec | petn-randall: no... there must be something i am missing but what i am sure is that i keep the same OS since years and only dist-upgrade when needed |
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| 21:32.27 | rebrec | anyway i must be wrong somewhere thanks again |
| 21:32.32 | ebol4 | is there a way to make dhclient run again every time the ethernet cable is unplugged and plugged back in |
| 21:32.45 | ebol4 | at the moment, it only seems to run on reboots |
| 21:33.01 | rebrec | ebol4: netplug |
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| 21:33.09 | rebrec | ebol4: https://superuser.com/questions/332968/how-to-configure-eth0-to-retry-dhclient-when-unplugged-and-replugged |
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| 21:34.05 | rebrec | ebol4: according to the previous link, it seems that ifplugd is preferable over netplugd |
| 21:35.02 | ebol4 | i tried ifplugd, but couldn't get it to run in systemd |
| 21:36.50 | petn-randall | ebol4: You could use network-manager, it also has a cli interface. |
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| 21:39.17 | ebol4 | rebrec: netplug is working perfectly, thanks. |
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| 22:13.07 | GNU\colossus | I'd like to rebuild a Debian from sid package for my release (jessie) using pbuilder, but perform extra actions to the program being built that are not supported by its build system. what are my options to do that? |
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| 22:13.55 | missmbob | !pbuilder |
| 22:13.55 | dpkg | hmm... pbuilder is "personal package builder", a package which creates a chroot for building packages which are optionally targetted at releases other than the currently installed release. It is useful for checking that a package has the correct build-dependencies as well. apt-get install pbuilder && pager /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/README.Debian. Many pbuilder users end up wishing they had used <sbuild> all along |
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| 22:20.23 | hanasaki | petn-randall: I would like to use squid for httpS ... it is http now |
| 22:25.56 | petn-randall | hanasaki: That works, despite not working as a cache. |
| 22:26.28 | hanasaki | how does it work please? the certs wouldnt be right.... |
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| 22:26.56 | laurus | inch, I tried these instructions https://gist.github.com/jkullick/9b02c2061fbdf4a6c4e8a78f1312a689 but they didn't work. |
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| 22:27.18 | laurus | In particular, when I run "e2fsck -f /dev/loop0p2" it says "e2fsck: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/loop0p2" |
| 22:27.23 | mutante | ?php5-mysql |
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| 22:27.33 | laurus | However, when I do sudo fdisk -l it shows "/dev/loop0p2 92160 2534887 2442728 1.2G 83 Linux" |
| 22:27.33 | mutante | sorry, i wanted to ask the bot for the versions |
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| 22:28.49 | hanasaki | petn-randall: ? |
| 22:29.11 | petn-randall | hanasaki: the client connects to squid with the HTTP verb "CONNECT", after that is just proxies bytes back and forth. |
| 22:29.25 | petn-randall | (as I already said) |
| 22:29.30 | hanasaki | petn-randall: how about for a transparent proxy? |
| 22:29.49 | petn-randall | hanasaki: What do you mean with that? |
| 22:29.50 | cockroach | i just upgraded a system to stretch and now it boots to emergency mode after saying "A start job is running for dev-sda2" for a while. After pressing ctrl-d it boots normally and mounts sda2 correctly. any idea what's wrong there? |
| 22:29.59 | hanasaki | http_port 3128 transparent |
| 22:30.13 | petn-randall | hanasaki: Where is the transparent part? |
| 22:30.20 | mutante | i noticed that when doing a jessie->stretch upgrade an application is missing the php5-mysql package. is there an obvious replacement? it's not php5-mariad it appears |
| 22:30.27 | petn-randall | hanasaki: You still have to instruct every client to use the proxy. |
| 22:30.58 | hanasaki | petn-randall: thought transpareant proxy is so that is not needed |
| 22:31.14 | petn-randall | hanasaki: Define "transparent proxy" in your case. |
| 22:31.35 | hanasaki | petn-randall: don't config the client... goes through proxy anyways |
| 22:31.50 | petn-randall | hanasaki: And how should this work? Magic? |
| 22:32.03 | hanasaki | petn-randall: use your google foo :) |
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| 22:32.32 | petn-randall | hanasaki: I thought you want support? Then also be verbose on what you mean with it. |
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| 22:33.05 | hanasaki | http_port 3128 transparent <= as I said before + iptables 80 to 328 |
| 22:33.08 | hanasaki | 3128 |
| 22:33.23 | petn-randall | Ah, so DNAT. That's the missing info. |
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| 22:33.45 | petn-randall | hanasaki: That won't work with HTTPS. Also, it won't always work with plain HTTP. |
| 22:34.00 | petn-randall | HTTP/1.0 for example doesn't work with that. |
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| 22:34.19 | petn-randall | Which is why that's usually evil. |
| 22:34.20 | hanasaki | oh... what will work for http/1.0? |
| 22:34.21 | hanasaki | and https |
| 22:34.30 | petn-randall | Nothing |
| 22:34.53 | petn-randall | redirecting traffic to proxies is evil, it breaks a lot of things. |
| 22:35.09 | petn-randall | without the client knowing, that is. |
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| 22:36.06 | hanasaki | petn-randall: looking for zero client config : cache proxy and httpS also so it can scan for virus and block some URLs by regx |
| 22:36.41 | petn-randall | hanasaki: Yeah, that won't work, and that's not what a proxy is designed for. |
| 22:36.48 | hanasaki | petn-randall: plain NAT from the business is not a good idea |
| 22:37.17 | hanasaki | petn-randall: what should I use |
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| 22:38.17 | laurus | Is chroot dangerous? Why do I have to be superuser to chroot? |
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| 22:40.11 | Logg | Is there a graphical wacom tablet configuration application? I tried gnome-control-center, but it crashes, probably because I'm not using gnome. |
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| 22:44.55 | hanasaki | petn-randall: and ALL ./ anychance debian will include squid compiled to support SSL: bump? |
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| 22:50.03 | missmbob | hanasaki: that's the point. plain nat |
| 22:50.22 | hanasaki | missmbob: I need to control what goes out of the company |
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| 22:52.31 | themill | MITMing everyone and doing packet inspection on that? Where could that go wrong. |
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| 22:59.55 | petn-randall | hanasaki: There are tons of appliances you can buy that just do that. But unless you get a wildcard certificate that won't work. |
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