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| 00:38.33 | cockroach | i just upgraded a system to stretch and now it boots to emergency mode after saying "A start job is running for dev-sda2" for a while. After pressing ctrl-d it boots normally and mounts sda2 correctly. any idea what's wrong there? |
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| 00:40.06 | Blackweb | how can I install this driver and use it install of the default nvidia driver |
| 00:40.20 | Blackweb | http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/114714/en-us |
| 00:41.00 | Blackweb | I have nouveau, and want to get that driver instead |
| 00:42.03 | Blackweb | I just relized pasting is bad, so sorry. |
| 00:43.11 | cockroach | Blackweb: I don't have an nvidia card myself so I don't really know but have you checked https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers ? |
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| 02:07.19 | slackjeff | hello, need help |
| 02:07.30 | mutante | !ask |
| 02:07.31 | slackjeff | how change color, shell ? tty... |
| 02:07.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 02:07.34 | slackjeff | !ask |
| 02:07.44 | slackjeff | mutante: how change color shell,? |
| 02:08.03 | mutante | slackjeff: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/x329.html |
| 02:08.46 | mutante | slackjeff: random example: echo -e "Default \e[93mLight yellow" |
| 02:11.07 | slackjeff | mutante: no prompt... on shell pure |
| 02:11.15 | slackjeff | have a method? |
| 02:11.39 | mutante | slackjeff: the random example i gave you was unrelated to prompt, just echo |
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| 02:12.12 | mutante | it will stay yellow until you change it back to something else |
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| 02:12.46 | mutante | you use the same variables, inside PS or not doesnt really matter |
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| 02:16.14 | slackjeff | mutante: ok, |
| 02:16.22 | slackjeff | mutante: u from brazilian? |
| 02:17.06 | mutante | slackjeff: no, it's a common question, but i'm not Brazilian or speak Portuguese |
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| 02:32.30 | nine_milli | why that dude setting a limit on users? |
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| 02:32.46 | bazhang | its a bot nine_milli |
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| 02:33.07 | nine_milli | you stalking me bazhang |
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| 02:33.21 | bazhang | nine_milli, what |
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| 02:33.31 | bazhang | nine_milli, stay on topic here |
| 02:33.34 | nine_milli | you followed me here from #linux |
| 02:33.46 | bazhang | nine_milli, I am always here |
| 02:33.52 | bazhang | get a grip |
| 02:34.09 | humbot | BOOM |
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| 02:42.51 | nine_milli | i keep getting âtask cron:xxx blocked for more than 120 seconds.â |
| 02:43.04 | nine_milli | does this mean my disk is going bad? |
| 02:43.42 | missmbob | no |
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| 05:20.20 | solarnetone | hmm. anyone else having issues with the arm64 apt repository? |
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| 05:21.38 | solarnetone | sid branch, specifically? |
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| 05:29.00 | ca | Is there any special knowledge needed to use the debian installer on a system with an nvidida card as the primary? Will it load nouveau before mode setting? |
| 05:32.00 | missmbob | no. yes. see this if you need the proprietary ones instead https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 05:46.35 | ca | missmbob: thanks, I looked at that earlier and it seemed to mostly pertain to a running system, rather than using the installer itself |
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| 06:19.27 | echosystm | hi guys |
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| 06:20.33 | echosystm | what would be the best way to route all traffic through a VPN, excluding one service? |
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| 06:21.05 | echosystm | actually, now that i have typed that out, i think the answer is obvious hah |
| 06:21.06 | echosystm | sorry |
| 06:21.09 | echosystm | :) |
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| 06:28.02 | OtakuSenpai | guys need help |
| 06:28.58 | OtakuSenpai | when i install steam,i get this errors |
| 06:29.06 | OtakuSenpai | http://paste.debian.net/932663/ |
| 06:29.21 | OtakuSenpai | everything is provided pls help me |
| 06:29.30 | OtakuSenpai | :D |
| 06:30.06 | OtakuSenpai | fscked up trying to get planeshift adnd runescape to launch for 1 week |
| 06:30.45 | towo^work | apt-cache policy steam is saying what? |
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| 06:31.43 | tanay | how to upgrade any particular software from terminal? |
| 06:32.00 | OtakuSenpai | !upgrade |
| 06:32.00 | dpkg | upgrade is, like, what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with aptitude. Do an aptitude update first, and then an aptitude upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <squeeze->wheezy> <wheezy->jessie>. |
| 06:32.22 | OtakuSenpai | theres also jessie->stretch |
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| 06:33.20 | OtakuSenpai | towo^work: http://paste.debian.net/932664/ |
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| 06:34.45 | Azrael_- | when is the plan to release stretch? |
| 06:34.57 | jelly | !wwsr |
| 06:34.58 | dpkg | Well... it's starting to get distinctly chilly... Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help> https://udd.debian.org/bugs/ https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 06:35.14 | Azrael_- | thx |
| 06:35.43 | missmbob | Azrael_-: when green line gets to 0 https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 06:36.46 | solarnetone | !bongswat |
| 06:36.46 | dpkg | from memory, bongswat is "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 06:36.51 | towo^work | OtakuSenpai, apt-cache policy systemd systemd:i386, and btw, stretch suppport is in #debian-next on oftc network and btw², why you using unstable, if you can't handle it? |
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| 06:43.15 | OtakuSenpai | towo^work: http://paste.debian.net/932666/ |
| 06:44.13 | OtakuSenpai | towo^work: i upgraded from jessie due to some software like gcc not being up to the version which i required |
| 06:44.17 | towo^work | do a dist-upgrade, then try installing steam again |
| 06:44.41 | towo^work | OtakuSenpai, if you can't handle unstable, don't use it |
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| 06:45.26 | AlecTaylor | hi |
| 06:45.48 | AlecTaylor | I use `dpkg -s` to see if a package is installed, how do I see if a `build-dep` for pkg_name has been run? |
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| 06:48.20 | OtakuSenpai | also i couldnt use jessie on my new hardware |
| 06:49.15 | towo^work | i would bet my ass, you can use jessie with backports on that hardware |
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| 07:45.38 | TomG2 | AlecTaylor, I don't know what you mean by a "build-dep"? you mean the apt-get command? I would just run apt-get again |
| 07:46.09 | missmbob | man apt-get |
| 07:49.05 | jelly | "just run apt-get again" was actually good advice |
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| 08:44.58 | Serg_Penguin | hi ! I'm on Jessie, can I install some selected packages from Sid, https://packages.debian.org/sid/mysql-server-5.7 ? I just installed it from Oracle and have intermittent crashes, data is NOT corrupt (backup, run in Docker, dump all - success) |
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| 08:45.58 | thecha | Do you know motion? it says it can use either video4linux devices or network cameras, does this mean i can use this on my debian with a usb camera? |
| 08:46.00 | missmbob | ,checkbackport mysql-server-5.7 |
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| 08:46.01 | judd | Backporting package mysql-server-5.7 in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: liblz4-dev (>= 0.0~r131). |
| 08:46.04 | missmbob | no |
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| 08:47.36 | missmbob | you *could* but it'd be multiple ports and a pain. if you have to ask you probably wouldnt be comfortable |
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| 08:48.33 | astephanh | i have a watch_in defined in several states (apache config files) how can i make sure, the service is restarted only one time? |
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| 08:50.40 | TomG2 | dpkg, tell Serg_Penguin about backports |
| 08:50.42 | thecha | missmbobâ it be multiple ports and a pain? so i would have to manually assign ports? |
| 08:50.58 | missmbob | manually compile the sid packages |
| 08:51.07 | thecha | oh ok |
| 08:51.19 | thecha | what does sid stands for? |
| 08:51.34 | thecha | socket internal device? |
| 08:51.35 | coke | the name of the version |
| 08:51.37 | missmbob | !sid |
| 08:51.37 | dpkg | from memory, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 08:51.52 | Serg_Penguin | ,checkbackport liblz4-dev |
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| 08:51.59 | judd | Backporting package liblz4-dev in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 08:52.29 | CrazyTux | hello, is linux/debian safe from wannacry? |
| 08:52.32 | Serg_Penguin | ,checkbackport liblz4-dev-0.0~r131 |
| 08:52.33 | judd | No package named 'liblz4-dev-0.0~r131' was found in sid/amd64. |
| 08:52.46 | ikonia | CrazyTux: are you using debian now |
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| 08:53.16 | Serg_Penguin | how to spell a version for checkbackport ? |
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| 08:53.23 | CrazyTux | ikonia, yes. I am using Debian and Ubuntu on two different laptops. |
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| 08:53.46 | ikonia | thats a big change CrazyTux what version of debian are you using |
| 08:53.48 | missmbob | it's a bug on windows defender |
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| 08:54.18 | CrazyTux | latest version of debian. |
| 08:54.22 | ikonia | CrazyTux: which one |
| 08:54.37 | CrazyTux | 8.7.1 |
| 08:54.46 | ikonia | wow, a big change |
| 08:54.52 | Serg_Penguin | ,checkbackport liblz4-dev (>= 0.0~r131) |
| 08:54.53 | CrazyTux | why? |
| 08:54.53 | judd | Backporting package liblz4-dev in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
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| 08:56.26 | CrazyTux | new version of debian is available now? |
| 08:56.44 | missmbob | read /topic |
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| 08:57.15 | avalon_ | i totally f***ed up my box with mixing repositories... |
| 08:57.26 | missmbob | that sucks |
| 08:57.27 | avalon_ | not now |
| 08:57.31 | missmbob | !dont break debian |
| 08:57.31 | dpkg | i heard dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 08:57.37 | avalon_ | just sharing experience |
| 08:57.50 | avalon_ | break, yes, that was the word |
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| 09:03.25 | CrazyTux | what is the name of the latest release of Debian? |
| 09:03.34 | ikonia | CrazyTux: you said you where running the latest |
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| 09:04.02 | ikonia | 08:52 < ikonia> CrazyTux: are you using debian now |
| 09:04.03 | ikonia | 08:54 < CrazyTux> latest version of debian. |
| 09:04.05 | missmbob | 8 every is jessie. regardless of if it's 8.1 or 8.8 |
| 09:04.09 | CrazyTux | I didn't know. I have 8.7.1 installed on my other laptop. |
| 09:04.15 | ikonia | 08:54 < CrazyTux> 8.7.1 |
| 09:04.46 | ikonia | CrazyTux: you said "latest" |
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| 09:05.22 | Iridos | dpkg, tell avalon_ about debian clone |
| 09:05.32 | CrazyTux | ikonia, ok. I "lied". LOL. |
| 09:05.37 | avalon_ | clone ? |
| 09:05.46 | Iridos | avalon_, look at that factoid from dpkg⦠it's probably simplest to save home and the package list, then re-install |
| 09:05.46 | ikonia | ? |
| 09:06.19 | avalon_ | backup home? |
| 09:06.26 | Iridos | because fixing systems with packages from a wild mix of repositories |
| 09:06.32 | Iridos | ⦠isn't trivial |
| 09:06.35 | CrazyTux | actually, I haven't updated my debian installation to 8.8 yet. |
| 09:06.48 | CrazyTux | or upgraded. |
| 09:06.53 | avalon_ | i just read that sometimes system can be so broken that only reinstallation is solution |
| 09:07.03 | Iridos | avalon_, you said <avalon_> i totally f***ed up my box with mixing repositories... |
| 09:07.10 | avalon_ | once, yes |
| 09:07.13 | Iridos | avalon_, it's not the *only* solution |
| 09:07.16 | avalon_ | in various debian derivates |
| 09:07.24 | Iridos | oh⦠I thought that happened just now |
| 09:07.32 | avalon_ | i know that it is not... but sometimes time is precious |
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| 09:08.10 | avalon_ | backup and reinstallation saves time wasted in searching ... web searching engine |
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| 09:08.45 | avalon_ | if you know exactly what files to backup, it is easy to put it in a script... |
| 09:09.51 | CrazyTux | btw, could Debian stable be categorized as a rolling release distro or a stable one? |
| 09:10.04 | missmbob | stable |
| 09:10.28 | CrazyTux | sorry. fixed release. |
| 09:10.35 | CrazyTux | I meant fixed release. |
| 09:10.39 | missmbob | yes |
| 09:11.00 | CrazyTux | missmbob, is it a rolling release or a fixed release? |
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| 09:11.05 | missmbob | fixed |
| 09:11.12 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 09:11.15 | missmbob | that's why everything is so old |
| 09:11.46 | ikonia | it's far from old |
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| 09:11.55 | CrazyTux | missmbob, is debian vulnerable to wannacry? |
| 09:12.05 | missmbob | no |
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| 09:12.42 | CrazyTux | any precautions I need to take while using a linux distro to prevent being infected? |
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| 09:13.08 | ikonia | CrazyTux: did you look into what wannacry does/infects ? |
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| 09:13.22 | CrazyTux | no. |
| 09:13.35 | ikonia | CrazyTux: maybe do that before asking |
| 09:13.41 | missmbob | 03:53 < missmbob> it's a bug on windows defender |
| 09:13.44 | CrazyTux | I mean, not in detail. |
| 09:13.46 | ikonia | eg: basic research |
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| 09:13.54 | ikonia | CrazyTux: did you look at all |
| 09:13.56 | missmbob | or just read what i said 20 minutes ago |
| 09:14.18 | CrazyTux | I have read some news articles on that. |
| 09:14.26 | ikonia | CrazyTux: what product does it infect |
| 09:14.47 | missmbob | how many times do i need to say it? jesus |
| 09:14.48 | CrazyTux | Windows. I think, specifically Windows XP> |
| 09:14.54 | missmbob | holy fuck |
| 09:14.57 | ikonia | CrazyTux: is debian windows..... |
| 09:15.14 | CrazyTux | ok. Guys, I understood. |
| 09:15.20 | CrazyTux | thanks a lot. |
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| 09:16.33 | CrazyTux | but, I was curious to know, if wine is installed on a linux distro, can wannacry infect the system. If it does, what can we do? |
| 09:16.48 | ikonia | CrazyTux: what product/part of windows does it infect.... |
| 09:16.49 | missmbob | it cannot |
| 09:16.59 | missmbob | please answer correctly this time |
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| 09:17.21 | CrazyTux | I know that if I am using only Linux, there is no possibility of it infecting the OS. |
| 09:17.46 | missmbob | wow. reading what i say is *that* difficult? |
| 09:17.53 | CrazyTux | ikonia, frankly, I don't know. |
| 09:18.05 | ikonia | CrazyTux: ok, so thats the sort of research you should be doing |
| 09:18.20 | missmbob | 03:53 < missmbob> it's a bug on windows defender |
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| 09:18.38 | CrazyTux | missmbob, ok. |
| 09:18.50 | missmbob | thank fucking god. took enough times |
| 09:19.35 | CrazyTux | missmbob, I didn't notice the first time you said that. |
| 09:19.44 | missmbob | it wasnt once |
| 09:20.00 | CrazyTux | ok. Thanks a lot, anyway. |
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| 09:41.11 | contrapunctus | o/ |
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| 09:43.22 | contrapunctus | How can I set the date/time format for all applications as ISO 8601? (as in `date -Is`) |
| 09:43.50 | contrapunctus | (short of using a different locale for LC_TIME - that seems like a hack...) |
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| 09:54.28 | TomG2 | maybe using LC_TIME isn't that much of a hack actually |
| 09:54.38 | TomG2 | just my suggestion |
| 09:54.41 | fredl | hi folks, does anybody happen to know if there are 'Linux for Beginners' books in Vietnamese? |
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| 09:57.12 | missmbob | i'd ask #archlinuxvn to be honest |
| 09:57.14 | colo-work | contrapunctus, in fact, that's the unhackiest way there could be. |
| 09:57.25 | bazhang | fredl, check a local users group there, or perhaps your distro has a -vn channel |
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| 09:57.50 | fredl | I'll check on #archlinuxvn, thanks folks! |
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| 09:57.55 | TyrfingMjolnir | I am to install a new web server, which one do I go for? Apache? |
| 09:58.29 | missmbob | since you're learning regardless i'd go nginx |
| 09:58.51 | colo-work | depends on what your webserver is going to do |
| 09:59.55 | TyrfingMjolnir | Just host angular stuff |
| 10:00.03 | TyrfingMjolnir | I use nginx for reverse proxy |
| 10:00.40 | altyr | using nginx for both seems like a good idea then |
| 10:00.43 | TyrfingMjolnir | I already have nodejs w/express set up using nginx as reverse proxy |
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| 10:01.05 | TyrfingMjolnir | But caddy or apache is more a web server? |
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| 10:01.47 | missmbob | years ago, yes. not today |
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| 10:02.51 | TyrfingMjolnir | So? Do I keep nginx as reverse proxy and add another nginx? |
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| 10:03.54 | altyr | no. you change the config to make it do both things at once |
| 10:03.58 | missmbob | i wouldnt add another product to the mix unless you had good reason. so keep it simple, stupid. |
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| 10:04.35 | altyr | i believe some example configs should come pre-installed with the package |
| 10:05.50 | missmbob | check out https://www.nginx.com/resources/wiki/community/irc/ (they have a couple channels of interest) |
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| 10:06.54 | Punga3 | Hello, is this place for questions? |
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| 10:07.08 | missmbob | !ask |
| 10:07.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 10:07.40 | missmbob | dont ask me, though ;) time for bed. good luck |
| 10:07.51 | Punga3 | Good night! |
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| 10:08.56 | Punga3 | Ok, so I just wanted to ask, I have Debian 8 on by server but I never updated it. Is there possibility it would break if I updated it? I just have a few game servers on one and apache on the other. |
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| 10:11.17 | TomG2 | Punga3, at this point I would recommend that you hang around until someone gives you an answer, maybe asking in an hour or more |
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| 10:11.36 | TomG2 | you're always supposed to update Debian anyway. you mean just security updates right? |
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| 10:12.40 | Punga3 | I mean just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 10:14.40 | TomG2 | yes, that should be fine, especially on Debian, which goes through a lot to make stable very stable indeed |
| 10:14.43 | TomG2 | go ahead :) |
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| 10:15.01 | TomG2 | you should do it to close security holes too |
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| 10:15.23 | Punga3 | I thought so! Thanks! |
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| 10:18.10 | BluesKaj | 'Morning all |
| 10:18.57 | humbot | (: |
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| 10:21.23 | TomG2 | Punga3, yw |
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| 10:45.15 | contrapunctus | Okay. I attempted to change LC_TIME to en_DK.UTF-8. But now running date(1) gives me "Day Mon DD HH:MM:SS <TZ> YYYY", instead of ISO-8601 as I expected (according to this answer - https://superuser.com/questions/1162283/use-iso-time-and-date-format-in-kde-5 ). Any pointers? |
| 10:46.19 | TomG2 | you may have to log out and log in again, can you try it in a shell? LC_TIME=en_DK date |
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| 10:48.05 | contrapunctus | TomG2: it did change, but it's not what I expected it to be. |
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| 10:51.53 | laughing | hi |
| 10:52.01 | laughing | anyone here? |
| 10:52.13 | teraflops | ಠ_ಠ|
| 10:52.23 | laughing | I need some help |
| 10:52.32 | laughing | I am new to linux platform |
| 10:52.47 | teraflops | just ask your quastion, and provide as much information as you can |
| 10:52.51 | teraflops | question^ |
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| 10:53.29 | TomG2 | contrapunctus, i don't know. i'd keep searching |
| 10:53.51 | laughing | I am running kali linux and i want to join their channel named #kali-linux but I can't |
| 10:54.43 | laughing | I don't know how to join. |
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| 10:55.25 | TomG2 | dpkg, kali? |
| 10:55.25 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 10:55.57 | TomG2 | free programming languages at http://www.python.org/ http://www.ruby-lang.org/ and over 100 other places |
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| 10:56.11 | TomG2 | missed |
| 10:56.33 | laughing | hi |
| 10:56.39 | TomG2 | dpkg, kali |
| 10:56.39 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 10:57.11 | TomG2 | that hacker-howto reads pretty good to me at the moment |
| 10:57.47 | laughing | okay I am just askling about help on how to join #kali-linux |
| 10:57.51 | laughing | I am usinghex chat |
| 10:58.17 | TomG2 | maybe you should ask in an official freenode help channel, or general irc help channel |
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| 10:58.40 | BluesKaj | too many users wanna be like Mr Robot , Kali with i3 :-) |
| 10:58.58 | TomG2 | programming for the win! |
| 10:59.24 | TomG2 | i enjoyed Debian 9 with i3 a few weeks ago, but i'm not allowed to chat on this channel :P |
| 10:59.33 | laughing | kali with i3? what do you mean |
| 10:59.49 | TomG2 | still not decided between i3 and dwm |
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| 11:00.29 | BluesKaj | laughing, just what i said |
| 11:01.16 | laughing | hey guys what is nickserv password? |
| 11:01.35 | laughing | Blues I meant I couldn't understand you |
| 11:01.53 | BluesKaj | laughing, your password for the freenode server |
| 11:01.59 | missmbob | !i3 |
| 11:01.59 | dpkg | well, i3 is a tiling window manager inspired by <wmii>. http://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html http://i3wm.org/ #i3 on irc.twice-irc.de. Not to be confused with <ion3>. |
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| 11:02.07 | laughing | oh I don't have one. How to get it? |
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| 11:02.30 | missmbob | like everything else you've asked, ask #freenode |
| 11:02.50 | laughing | aqhhh |
| 11:03.01 | laughing | its much of a headache when you're new to linux |
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| 11:03.26 | TomG2 | why are you using Kali then? |
| 11:03.46 | BluesKaj | laughing, if you were on windows it would b the same |
| 11:03.54 | missmbob | can we *not* talk about kali, please? |
| 11:04.02 | laughing | I am on someone's computer so I just booted from USB and only OS I had to be live was kali |
| 11:04.16 | laughing | nope I'm good at windows |
| 11:04.38 | missmbob | blinks |
| 11:04.42 | laughing | I am good at all but like being new and when you haven't read much about linux then this is difficult somehow |
| 11:05.01 | TomG2 | missmbob, sorry |
| 11:05.08 | laughing | missmbob sorry we're talkinhg about linux basically |
| 11:05.13 | BluesKaj | registering on an irc server is not restricted to linux, laughing |
| 11:05.31 | missmbob | laughing: no. kali is offtopic here. it's channel policy. |
| 11:05.34 | laughing | lol yea and I never used an IRC before |
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| 11:06.08 | laughing | missmbob yea and we're talking about a linux based on debian |
| 11:06.17 | missmbob | !based on debian |
| 11:06.17 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 11:06.20 | missmbob | read that ^ |
| 11:06.46 | missmbob | you're causing us headaches |
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| 11:07.26 | laughing | okay sorry missmbob |
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| 11:13.09 | nikio_ | hello does debian serve a virtualbox image somewhere? |
| 11:13.18 | nikio_ | i need a safe small linux image or virtualbox |
| 11:13.48 | babilen | nikio_: https://atlas.hashicorp.com/debian/boxes/jessie64 |
| 11:14.17 | babilen | https://atlas.hashicorp.com/debian/ has all of them |
| 11:14.24 | nikio_ | babilen, what is that place |
| 11:14.26 | nikio_ | i dont know atlas |
| 11:14.29 | nikio_ | or hashicorp |
| 11:14.56 | babilen | Ah! Sorry, that's for Vagrant :) |
| 11:15.34 | koollman | nikio_: hashicorp makes vagrant, and vagrant helps automate virtualbox (and other tools) |
| 11:15.39 | teraflops | babilen: well, maybe vagrant is what he wants :D |
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| 11:15.45 | teraflops | he or she |
| 11:15.58 | nikio_ | no i just wanna have an image for virtualbox |
| 11:16.07 | babilen | Yeah, I immediately parsed it that way |
| 11:16.08 | teraflops | you can also tell vagrant to use vbox with KVM |
| 11:16.10 | missmbob | it's put together by a debian developer anyway |
| 11:16.17 | koollman | nikio_: it's probably the best way to get a decent image for virtualbox |
| 11:16.17 | babilen | But then .. I wouldn't use virtualbox on Linux. Way too slow. |
| 11:16.52 | nikio_ | i just want an image for virtualbox, no more no less, no time wasting. |
| 11:16.56 | babilen | teraflops: Yeah, I use vagrant-libvirt whereever I can. So much faster and nicer :) |
| 11:16.58 | koollman | nikio_: then make one |
| 11:17.01 | teraflops | babilen: hmm I prefer ansible > vagrant |
| 11:17.08 | nikio_ | and i see no reason for them to be a 1GB |
| 11:17.11 | nikio_ | ill install whati need myself |
| 11:17.21 | koollman | nikio_: even better, then, make a better one :) |
| 11:17.28 | bazhang | #vbox nikio_ |
| 11:17.28 | babilen | teraflops: Those are completely different tools - And SaltStack > Ansible anyway ;) |
| 11:17.38 | nikio_ | meh fine il just download this one |
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| 11:17.39 | nikio_ | http://vbimages.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:17.45 | nikio_ | and run the risk of being hacked.. |
| 11:17.55 | nikio_ | i guess its very hard for debian to just host one on their site |
| 11:18.07 | teraflops | babilen: ansible + e.g galaxy is for same purposes |
| 11:18.13 | missmbob | you should've just googled. first result http://www.osboxes.org/debian/ |
| 11:18.18 | nikio_ | its 1gB |
| 11:18.21 | nikio_ | i want 5GB |
| 11:18.24 | nikio_ | 500 MB |
| 11:18.33 | teraflops | make you own one |
| 11:18.35 | koollman | nikio_: it's not very hard to put the livecd in virtualbox and make a minimal install |
| 11:18.37 | nikio_ | besides who says osboxes is to be trusted |
| 11:18.39 | babilen | teraflops: Same purpose of? |
| 11:18.41 | missmbob | you want you want you want. do it |
| 11:18.57 | teraflops | deploying a virtual machine/container |
| 11:19.06 | babilen | nikio_: Why don't you take a look at vagrant and use the official base boxes? |
| 11:19.06 | koollman | I wonder how big is my minimal virtualbox install nowadays |
| 11:19.34 | babilen | You might also be able to use those base boxes directly in VBox |
| 11:19.37 | nikio_ | i dont wna waste time, i just wnt a simple linux so i cn nat port forward and use rasa NLU which doesnt work on Windows |
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| 11:19.44 | nikio_ | lblabla , nothing works properly |
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| 11:19.48 | missmbob | you're wasting time here |
| 11:19.49 | koollman | nikio_: you do look like you want to waste some time |
| 11:20.38 | laughing | nikio_ what do you want? can I help if I can? |
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| 11:20.52 | nikio_ | well i wanted to use rasa nLU |
| 11:21.01 | nikio_ | for my python webapp, but one thing led to another |
| 11:21.17 | nikio_ | so now im getting a debian to run on virtual box so i can port forward it and interact with it over http |
| 11:21.30 | nikio_ | tried on vmware first but that didnt work, coz vmware sucks too i guess |
| 11:21.32 | koollman | and yet, you do not want to waste time :) |
| 11:21.48 | nikio_ | yep i dont but guess what |
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| 11:22.00 | nikio_ | rasa nlu doesnt install on Windows 7, it gives an error |
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| 11:22.03 | teraflops | nikio_: are you ranting? we can give you moral support and maybe a hug⦠|
| 11:22.05 | kingkong- | hi. im on wheezey openvz vps. i installed ntp but it fails to start. howcan i make it start? |
| 11:22.18 | nikio_ | all of these things give headaches,, its as if nobody can just make their tools work how they are supposed to |
| 11:22.33 | koollman | maybe they do not test much on windows |
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| 11:22.44 | nikio_ | not smart |
| 11:22.48 | laughing | oracle virtual box is better. and why don't you look on official sites for virtual box images |
| 11:22.59 | nikio_ | im dling from osboxes.co |
| 11:23.14 | bazhang | he wants unsafe fast |
| 11:23.16 | nikio_ | they host their boxes on google drive so it goes fast |
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| 11:23.24 | nikio_ | lets hope we can trust their boxes |
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| 11:24.48 | teraflops | kingkong-: you cant |
| 11:24.50 | koollman | nikio_: anyway, it took me 3 minutes to build the docker container and make a curl requesst that shows it seems to work. all by reading the readme |
| 11:25.08 | teraflops | kingkong-: â¦because openVZ |
| 11:25.09 | nikio_ | build what? |
| 11:25.15 | koollman | nikio_: https://github.com/golastmile/rasa_nlu |
| 11:25.38 | nikio_ | well it works on linux for sure |
| 11:25.43 | kingkong- | teraflops: what's the solution ? |
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| 11:25.54 | nikio_ | my OS is windows 7 |
| 11:25.56 | teraflops | kingkong-: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 11:26.13 | teraflops | kingkong-: or go tell the host admin |
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| 11:26.45 | teraflops | kingkong-: or use an external ntp server |
| 11:26.50 | teraflops | ^ |
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| 11:27.44 | kingkong- | teraflops: i have tzdata already. it needs manually adjustment to sync? |
| 11:28.11 | teraflops | kingkong-: what's your problem? |
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| 11:28.21 | teraflops | the real one, is your time not accurate? |
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| 11:30.37 | kingkong- | teraflops: my time is accurate but one app gave me bug error that time is +4 seconds. i asked their staff and they asked me to install ntp. i installed but it fails to start |
| 11:31.06 | andrew2221 | Hi everyone. A quick question, in Debain9 I have some network drives mounted. In the filemanager (nautilus?!) it shows the trash from those network drives as well. How to exclude this? I don't want to see the trash of the network drives. |
| 11:31.20 | kingkong- | i run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and my time is same as before now |
| 11:31.31 | missmbob | kingkong-: is this jessie? |
| 11:31.38 | kingkong- | wheezy |
| 11:31.45 | missmbob | damn. nevermind. |
| 11:31.46 | teraflops | kingkong-: go tell the admins of the openvz host, or use an external ntp server more accurated |
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| 11:32.02 | teraflops | accurate?accurated? sorry |
| 11:33.34 | ksk | kingkong-: didnt read the question, but if inside an openvz CT you cannot set/correct the time yourself. would need to contact admin. |
| 11:35.15 | teraflops | ksk: I told him 2 times about that |
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| 11:36.22 | kingkong- | ok thanks you |
| 11:37.05 | kingkong- | i will run external ntp server outside of my vps ? |
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| 11:38.22 | petn-randall | kingkong-: The openvz server will always set the time for the clients, if the *server* has an offset, there's not much you can do. |
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| 11:39.41 | kingkong- | hmm alright. so i will uninstall ntp and ntpdate back. i must contact my provider |
| 11:39.49 | kingkong- | thanks you |
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| 11:47.27 | jelly | petn-randall: "contact your provider and tell them to fix the damn time" |
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| 11:50.36 | nikio_ | still didnt get it to work for other dumb reasons |
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| 11:57.45 | laughing | whats the windows error man? |
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| 12:01.32 | missmbob | according to ud he means because of a woman's period |
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| 12:02.09 | petn-randall | missmbob: ??? |
| 12:02.18 | missmbob | https://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=TheRealMandi |
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| 12:27.19 | dolftax | Help! https://dpaste.de/YRRx/raw |
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| 12:28.30 | dolftax | xrandr doesn't detect external monitor. Followed the steps here - https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo // Didn't resolve though. Not sure what `access_denied` in lspci means |
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| 12:30.55 | altyr | dolftax: what version type/version of debian are you on? and what does lspci -nn | grep '\[03' say? |
| 12:31.39 | dolftax | altyr: https://dpaste.de/GaCa/raw |
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| 12:33.28 | dolftax | altyr: Is it necessary to upgrade the kernel to `linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64` ? That's one resolution I found on forums. |
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| 12:34.00 | missmbob | it's likely |
| 12:34.06 | missmbob | !jessie-backports |
| 12:34.07 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
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| 12:34.28 | altyr | dolftax: i talked to someone who had the same kind of hybrid graphics as you do. they fixed it by upgrading to stretch |
| 12:34.55 | altyr | it's possible that you can simply install the packported kernel and mesa |
| 12:35.04 | altyr | *backported |
| 12:35.05 | dolftax | altyr: By upgrading to stretch, you mean, upgrade via backports? |
| 12:35.06 | altyr | and make it work that way |
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| 12:35.46 | altyr | no, they decided to do a full upgrade. but as mentioned it's possible that all you really need is kernel/mesa |
| 12:35.47 | missmbob | i'd use the backported 4.9/backported mesa first |
| 12:36.13 | dolftax | Hm. Let me try that. |
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| 12:36.39 | altyr | dpkg: tell dolftax about bdo kernel |
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| 12:36.51 | altyr | for more detailed instructions see what the bot sent you |
| 12:37.08 | quitisomes | hello good afternoon somebody could help me about an uftp proxy configuration??? please |
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| 12:37.18 | quitisomes | My boss is going to kill me I really need it |
| 12:37.21 | prabhin | hi |
| 12:37.24 | altyr | (after doing what missmbob told you about the sources list) |
| 12:37.53 | dolftax | On `sudo apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64 |
| 12:37.55 | prabhin | hi guys need a help |
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| 12:38.10 | dolftax | I get this - https://dpaste.de/6xqK/raw << altyr |
| 12:38.17 | quitisomes | Hello somebody could help me please |
| 12:38.19 | prabhin | anybody there?? |
| 12:38.26 | prabhin | whats the issue?? |
| 12:38.35 | prabhin | @quitisomes |
| 12:38.50 | quitisomes | im trying to configure uftp service over a local network |
| 12:39.07 | quitisomes | the enviroment is uftp server server proxy proxy client and uftp client |
| 12:39.15 | altyr | dolftax: that's unrelated to display things, but that should be fixed by installing firmware-realtek from backports too |
| 12:39.39 | quitisomes | the problem is that the the uftp client receives automatically from the uft server and doesnt come along the proxy client |
| 12:39.48 | quitisomes | thats my problem |
| 12:40.10 | quitisomes | any idea about this??? |
| 12:40.15 | missmbob | be quite |
| 12:40.18 | altyr | prabhin: ask your question |
| 12:40.19 | missmbob | !repeat |
| 12:40.19 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 12:40.49 | prabhin | which distro u are using?? |
| 12:40.54 | quitisomes | debian |
| 12:40.56 | quitisomes | jessie |
| 12:41.14 | prabhin | did u check proxy logs |
| 12:41.19 | quitisomes | id check it |
| 12:41.27 | prabhin | which proxy server?? |
| 12:41.44 | quitisomes | id check proxy server log and proxy client log |
| 12:41.58 | quitisomes | in the client log it tolds it receive hearbeat from the proxy server |
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| 12:42.12 | quitisomes | but in the uftp client it says it onlys receiving from the uftp server |
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| 12:43.11 | prabhin | can u please update me on the logs and version? |
| 12:43.17 | prabhin | server |
| 12:43.41 | quitisomes | ofc |
| 12:43.55 | quitisomes | version is 4.92 |
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| 12:45.49 | quitisomes | pls wait |
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| 12:49.42 | quitisomes | @prabhin hello |
| 12:49.55 | quitisomes | @prabhin could you tell me what log u want i send you |
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| 12:51.59 | tw | Is there a way to make apt do a pre-execution check to make sure it's on a network I want to allow updates from or otherwise execute some pre-completion action? I have an apt-cacher proxy configured on my laptop and I'd like it to check that it's on the right network before trying to run. |
| 12:52.39 | missmbob | it would be very trivial to script a wrapper |
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| 12:53.14 | tw | Will that affect autoupdates as well? |
| 12:53.32 | missmbob | you're the one scriptting it :) |
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| 12:55.10 | tw | Any recommendations on where to attach that kind of script? Just swap out the /usr/bin/apt binary for my script and chattr +i? |
| 12:55.44 | missmbob | i wouldnt. i'd put it in ~/bin/ |
| 12:56.08 | jmcnaught | tw: never do something like that |
| 12:57.02 | jmcnaught | tw: the only places inside /usr that a person should touch are inside /usr/local, everything else inside /usr should only ever be managed by packages. Replacing /usr/bin/apt is asking for trouble |
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| 12:57.25 | jmcnaught | for one thing, it will never get updated again if you replace it with an immutable script |
| 12:57.25 | missmbob | plus it wouldnt work. any package update would overwrite whatever you did |
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| 13:00.56 | tw | It'd break in awful ways, I'm sure. Is there anything for apt like dpkg::pre-invoke? |
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| 13:02.09 | teraflops | tw: apt hooks? |
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| 13:04.06 | jmcnaught | tw: take a look at /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz for a complete list of configuration options, pre-invoke is in there as an example |
| 13:05.01 | tw | Perfect, I'll look into that. Thanks, everyone. |
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| 13:13.54 | rebrec | hello i am trying to setup urxvt (i am currently using gnomt-terminal). I tried to setup some color scheme into ~/.Xressources i don't know why but my prompt don't get colorized, on the screenshot you can see gnome-terminal on the left and urxvt on the right https://transfer.sh/WIa7S/tmp.OQS59L6tfO.jpg (when i do an ls --color i am getting colors) any idea of how i can fix my prompt please ? |
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| 13:15.06 | dolftax | altyr: missmbob upgrading the kernel fixed all the driver issues (display, network, ..). Thanks! |
| 13:15.18 | altyr | dolftax: glad to hear that |
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| 13:31.03 | tw | Seems like Pre-invoke is only used for dpkg and update. Get and Upgrade don't provide the pre-invoke hook so I can't catch network operations. This is the config I tried: https://paste.debian.net/932708/ |
| 13:31.13 | tw | I'll figure something else out. |
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| 13:43.54 | ForceRecon | is there a graphical syslog viewer in debian |
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| 13:45.08 | coke | gedit /var/log/messages ? |
| 13:45.28 | celyr | was going to say that but |
| 13:45.38 | humbot | less ? |
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| 13:46.01 | celyr | by graphical I guess no terminal involved |
| 13:46.16 | celyr | even if I ask myself what's the difference |
| 13:46.31 | tw | gnome-logs maybe? |
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| 13:46.50 | celyr | !goal |
| 13:46.51 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 13:47.11 | celyr | tnx dpkg always appreciated |
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| 13:47.28 | coke | someone build a greylog.org package quick! |
| 13:47.59 | missmbob | mousepad is better |
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| 13:48.53 | jmcnaught | i like journalctl, it's not graphical but it's very easy to use |
| 13:49.07 | ForceRecon | sudo apt-get install glogg |
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| 13:49.13 | ForceRecon | nice reading of messages |
| 13:49.24 | ForceRecon | thanks for help everyone.. this one works nicely |
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| 13:56.01 | rebrec | i am still trying to setup urxvt. I can't manage to handle bold characters... in the screenshot here : https://transfer.sh/XCTgG/tmp.lsyqXSftId.jpg the top term is my gnome-terminal and the above is urxvt... any idea of what might be wrong (we can see that there is no bold char on urxvt) |
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| 13:58.17 | nix64bit | i want to save the output from this bash "python 8.py > file.txt | atom" and open it with atom editor |
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| 13:58.45 | nix64bit | or any editor for that matter |
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| 14:00.36 | jolt | nix64bit: xdg-open can do stuff like that for you |
| 14:02.16 | jhutchins_wk | nix64bit: As always when developing automation, try each step first. |
| 14:02.52 | jhutchins_wk | nix64bit: You are performing two operations there, but have only one command. There is no output on stdout from the first command. |
| 14:03.14 | jolt | nix64bit: Or if you actually need to open the file later, but anyway. like python > file && xdg-open file |
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| 14:06.37 | nix64bit | thanks |
| 14:07.28 | TomG2 | Debian "see" open things for you too |
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| 14:12.25 | slackjeff | hello |
| 14:12.27 | slackjeff | algum BR? |
| 14:12.49 | missmbob | !br |
| 14:12.49 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 14:16.12 | nix64bit | works like a charm thanks python 8.py > file.txt && xdg-open file.txt |
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| 14:36.00 | smhar | greetings |
| 14:36.10 | smhar | I have a laptop with debian jessie installed. recently I also installed stretch on another partition, both now share the same swap partition. But now, when I boot into jessie, the system hangs for very long time. I tried rescue mode and fund that it hangs on this line: |
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| 14:36.24 | smhar | Begin: Running /scripts/local-premount ... |
| 14:36.36 | smhar | when I enter root password I am able to proceed to X normally |
| 14:36.47 | smhar | what could be the issue? |
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| 14:50.12 | jhutchins_wk | smhar: Start with the messages displayed during boot. What is displayed before the hang? After? |
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| 14:54.12 | _JamesA | I'm running into bug #839552 trying to install a new uefi system. I see a recommendation in bug #840400 to load nls_ascii.ko but it's not present in the latest install iso. How can I work around this to install? |
| 14:54.13 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/839552 in src:linux (closed, d-i, patch): «linux: please add nls_ascii to fat-modules udeb»; severity: important; opened: 2016-10-01; last modified: 2017-03-24. |
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| 15:00.21 | TwistedFate | i dont get it, i really dont, how can unstable have the same mesa version as testing? >_< |
| 15:00.29 | greycat | !slushy |
| 15:00.29 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
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| 15:01.43 | smhar | jhutchins_wk, I am trying to search the logs but I could find nothing meaningful .. to me |
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| 15:03.36 | somiaj | TwistedFate: testing and unstable are usually not that far apart even when outside of a freeze as well. |
| 15:04.57 | TwistedFate | somiaj: well, i am forced to either switch to experimental, or change the distro.. i dont know what made me install debian on newer hardware :) |
| 15:05.01 | TwistedFate | :(* |
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| 15:06.37 | greycat | You don't "switch to" experimental. You grab a single package from experimental and install it. |
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| 15:07.07 | somiaj | TwistedFate: experimential is not a full release, so you can't run only experiemential. It's use is to make packages avaiable that are not ready for sid for advanced users. During the freeze this gets abused a bit as developers put newer packages there to avoid putting them in sid as per the slushy factoid. |
| 15:07.19 | Galaxor | Hi. I'm using debian 8 (jessie). I'm trying to install flashplugin-nonfree. It's getting an error 404. What's going on with that? Has that package been abandoned but not removed from the repo or something? |
| 15:07.23 | somiaj | TwistedFate: experimental packages are compiled against sid libaries. |
| 15:07.37 | somiaj | Galaxor: the plugin scripts are broken, check the bug reports. |
| 15:08.13 | somiaj | Galaxor: due to adobe being very unreliable the scipts all require a matainer updated file to work. The matainer for the scripts has not been available to update this, thus breaking the scripts. |
| 15:09.12 | Galaxor | Aha, thanks. |
| 15:09.25 | humbot | but html5 :D |
| 15:09.41 | Galaxor | Is there a workaround? |
| 15:10.01 | Galaxor | Yeah, it took a long time before I noticed I didn't have flash, so that's a good sign for html5 adoption! |
| 15:10.04 | somiaj | Galaxor: install the package, then manually download the plugin from adobe.com and copy it into the place the script would have put it. |
| 15:10.14 | Galaxor | somiaj: Roger, thanks. |
| 15:10.26 | somiaj | Galaxor: for firefox this is /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ or something like that. |
| 15:11.00 | somiaj | you want the package to be installed because it configures things to link to the plugin, the script just fails to download the non-free plugin, so manually intervene, (This also means you have to do this for updates/security issues) |
| 15:11.25 | Galaxor | Do I need to re-run anything when I download the plugin? Like, does it apply patches or anything? |
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| 15:15.00 | somiaj | no |
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| 15:15.10 | Galaxor | somiaj: great, thanks. |
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| 15:15.36 | somiaj | at least last I checked no, installing the debian package should set up everything, the only thing that fails is it cannot get the meta data from the matainers website to download the plugin and copy it to the predefined place. |
| 15:15.41 | BluesKaj | Galaxor, or install chrome :-) |
| 15:16.15 | Galaxor | BluesKaj: Chrome, no. Chromium, and the pepper flash package, maybe. I haven't tried that. |
| 15:16.50 | somiaj | pepperflash plugin package is also broken, only way to get flash easy is the third party google-chrome package. |
| 15:17.03 | Galaxor | dang. |
| 15:17.04 | BluesKaj | nope i mean chrome, not chromium |
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| 15:20.24 | Galaxor | Doesn't ubuntu have a working flash downloader? Couldn't debian grab theirs? Or is ubuntu's weird because canonical has some special arrangement with adobe or something? |
| 15:21.00 | greycat | My understanding is just that the URL used in Debian's package has been yanked by whoever hosted it, and the package hasn't been updated. |
| 15:21.35 | dan | hi |
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| 15:30.27 | jelly | Galaxor: that's not the problem, maintainer just hasn't updated their whitelist of valid downloadables for the current version |
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| 15:31.17 | jelly | greycat: it's not as much as yanked, as it never existed. The fact that downloader relies on something existing on blah.debian.org/~maintainer is a bit silly, too |
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| 15:32.34 | Galaxor | Hm. All right, I got it. Downloaded the plugin to /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree, untarred it there, and then ran update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so flash-mozilla.so /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so 50 |
| 15:32.41 | jelly | yeah |
| 15:32.45 | Galaxor | Thanks everyone. |
| 15:33.10 | jelly | but now you didn't verify any checksums!!1 |
| 15:33.25 | jelly | and your download might have gotten MITMd!!1 |
| 15:33.26 | Galaxor | Tr00. I will probably get that ransomware now. |
| 15:34.03 | Galaxor | How is the "shumway" project doing these days? |
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| 15:35.39 | jelly | most if not all reimplementations are abandonded |
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| 15:36.21 | greycat | Just waiting patiently for Flash to stop twitching. |
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| 15:36.48 | greycat | "It's dead, Jim. But it's still moving." |
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| 15:37.07 | Galaxor | >1yr since last commit, huh. |
| 15:37.54 | jelly | at least most if not all video sites have html5. Sometimes you have to lie about being a tablet or phone to make them offer it |
| 15:38.52 | jelly | s/have to lie/have to make your browser lie/ |
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| 15:41.09 | Galaxor | jelly: Oh, good idea. |
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| 15:43.55 | jelly | in chromium/chrome, it may be as easy as opening F12 (developer tools), clicking on phone/tablet icon ("toggle device toolbar") and reloading the page |
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| 15:48.24 | somiaj | yea it is silly to require a matainer updated file, but I haven't seen a better solution offered to dealing with adobe not being relaiable on how they name/store the plugin to download. The file just points at the correct download file on adobe.com. The bug report had mention of adding the functionality that you could point the script at a .tar.gz downloaded locally or manually point it at the download path |
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| 15:49.16 | somiaj | though flash dying is a better solution to this mess |
| 15:50.21 | jelly | it doesn't even point at the file, it knows where the last year or so of releases have been. Just fails at downloading the maintainer-provided signature check |
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| 16:25.56 | avalon_ | dpkg --reconfigure tzdata is for changing timezone, right? |
| 16:25.57 | dpkg | avalon_: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 16:26.18 | missmbob | !timezone |
| 16:26.18 | dpkg | A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "service postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
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| 16:28.05 | dontknow | mess |
| 16:28.56 | missmbob | "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" is pretty fucking easy. nothing messy about it. |
| 16:30.04 | dontknow | why isn't there a button |
| 16:30.08 | BluesKaj | no need for the F-bomb, missmbob, you know better |
| 16:30.59 | avalon_ | thanks :) |
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| 16:35.33 | jelly | dontknow: that answer to that one is always "because you didn't program it" |
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| 16:56.22 | Violinist | can som1 help with aws ecr login |
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| 16:57.14 | jim | I dunno... whatdo aws and ecr mean? |
| 16:57.30 | jelly | if you don't know then you probably can't help! |
| 16:57.35 | Violinist | it say docker has a bug |
| 16:57.43 | Violinist | god damn docker sux |
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| 16:57.57 | jelly | Violinist: what does this have to do with Debian? |
| 16:58.03 | Violinist | i dont know! |
| 16:58.05 | Violinist | dont ask me |
| 16:58.08 | torify | Hello. I am trying to activate bluetooth on start up and I am not being able to achieve it. I used to do it with systemctl but for some reason it's not working any more. Google told me to use rc.local but I couldn't make it work either |
| 16:58.16 | Violinist | anyhow i logged in |
| 16:58.19 | jelly | so.... why are you asking here? |
| 16:58.22 | Violinist | had to replace https with nothing |
| 16:58.24 | jim | jelly, could very well be |
| 16:58.56 | Violinist | Latest versions of Docker use a new credentials storage feature which has a bug where doing a docker login with a URL that specifies a protocol will result in token expiration errors. This issue will be fixed in Docker 1.13. |
| 16:59.00 | Violinist | ^ this |
| 16:59.16 | jelly | and you got your docker from debian? |
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| 16:59.28 | Violinist | no forget it |
| 16:59.40 | Violinist | debian is my favorite os so i come here |
| 16:59.42 | torify | jelly: any idea on how to automatically activate bluetooth on start up? |
| 16:59.48 | jelly | torify: no |
| 17:00.05 | torify | hm |
| 17:00.19 | altyr | torify: look into bluetooth managers |
| 17:00.46 | jelly | torify: how do you do it manually? |
| 17:01.03 | torify | sudo service bluetooth start |
| 17:01.11 | torify | and then enter my super secret sudo key |
| 17:01.20 | jelly | torify: which debian release is this |
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| 17:01.34 | torify | Debian Jeezy |
| 17:01.52 | jelly | torify: there's no jeezy. what does "lsb_release -sc" say |
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| 17:02.18 | torify | Jessie |
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| 17:02.22 | torify | close enough |
| 17:02.23 | jelly | torify: or dpkg -l libc6 dpkg | tail -n 2 |
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| 17:03.16 | jelly | torify: alright, so what does "systemctl status bluetooth" say? put the full output on https://paste.debian.net |
| 17:03.17 | torify | 2.19-18+deb8u9 |
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| 17:04.13 | jelly | torify: and if you can, what does the same command say after you boot the system but before you start the service manually |
| 17:04.32 | torify | http://paste.debian.net/932742/ |
| 17:04.53 | torify | I will have to reboot to get that |
| 17:05.06 | jelly | yes. |
| 17:05.16 | torify | be back in 5 then |
| 17:05.26 | jelly | ok |
| 17:05.43 | torify | by the way, sudo systemctl status bluetooth answers a different thing |
| 17:05.56 | torify | is that supposed to happen? |
| 17:06.26 | torify | brb 5 |
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| 17:12.28 | torify | back |
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| 17:13.14 | torify | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/932744/ |
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| 17:14.00 | jelly | torify: can you run as root (with sudo prepended), you said the output was different |
| 17:14.23 | jelly | oh, you did |
| 17:14.59 | torify | http://paste.debian.net/932745/ |
| 17:15.01 | jelly | torify: so the service tried to start at boot but died for some reason |
| 17:15.16 | torify | yeah, it used to work until two days ago or so |
| 17:15.24 | jmcnaught | wouldn't the status be failed if that were the case? |
| 17:16.07 | jelly | torify: I have no idea if that output at 19:11 is normal or not, might be worth investigating |
| 17:17.22 | torify | to be honest I don't really know where to start. I even changed my keyboard batteries to see if that was the issue but not. rc.local is not doing the job either |
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| 17:18.53 | torify | note that after restarting bluetooth everything works just fine |
| 17:19.25 | torify | for some reason I didn't have the package bluetooth installed. Does that have anything to do with it? |
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| 17:20.58 | jelly | torify: package names can differ from service names. «dpkg -S /lib/systemd/system/bluetooth.service» will tell you which package the service definition belongs to |
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| 17:21.25 | torify | wow, that's cool |
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| 17:23.48 | rafapvz | Hi, I need some help, anybody here? |
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| 17:24.19 | jelly | !ask |
| 17:24.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:29.46 | nix64bit | Should I run debian or microsoft vista? |
| 17:30.05 | missmbob | no one cares |
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| 17:30.06 | greycat | You should run whatever you want. |
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| 17:30.18 | greycat | Both, neither, one, the other. |
| 17:30.50 | torify | what is microsoft vista? |
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| 17:31.52 | nix64bit | torify: good question |
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| 17:32.44 | rafapvz | I downloaded the proprietary drivers of Realtek. After succesfull "./configure" I typed make. But It gave an error saying that there is no include/sndversions.h . Whet sohould I do? |
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| 17:34.05 | jelly | rafapvz: drives for which piece of hardware? |
| 17:34.07 | mutante | rafapvz: install kernel headers |
| 17:34.10 | nix64bit | rafapvz: do you really need the propreitry divers? They caused me pain in the past |
| 17:34.11 | jelly | drivers* |
| 17:34.31 | rafapvz | I believe I need them. I don't think I have audio on the computer, |
| 17:35.26 | jelly | rafapvz: show the output of: lspci -nn |grep -i audio |
| 17:35.28 | rafapvz | It's for sound card. |
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| 17:37.17 | rafapvz | I'm not in the same computer, but the output was something like: 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 etc... |
| 17:37.24 | nix64bit | pulse audio used to cause problems |
| 17:37.25 | rafapvz | One line only |
| 17:38.04 | mutante | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.08 | jelly | rafapvz: sadly that's missing the most useful piece of information |
| 17:38.24 | jelly | ask again when you have access to the machine |
| 17:38.34 | rafapvz | OK, jelly. |
| 17:38.55 | rafapvz | mutante, about that, I already installed the headers. |
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| 17:39.31 | mutante | rafapvz: "make headers_check" ? |
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| 17:40.29 | jelly | rafapvz: the drivers you found may possibly be relevant only for very very old versions of linux kernel. |
| 17:40.58 | rafapvz | mutante, "no rule for make target 'headers_check' |
| 17:41.15 | jelly | not worth guessing about the best way forward before we know the actual hardware in question |
| 17:41.32 | nix64bit | check dmesg for errors on loading - dmesg | grep audio |
| 17:42.12 | rafapvz | OK. The rest of lspci if : Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 02) |
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| 17:42.59 | altyr | ,pciid 8086:27d8 |
| 17:43.00 | rafapvz | nix64bit, no outpu. |
| 17:43.00 | judd | [8086:27d8] is 'NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:27d8 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 17:43.25 | missmbob | you probably just need to install/run pavucontrol |
| 17:44.26 | torify | so, the thing is I am trying to activate bluetooth on start up and I am not being able to do so. I used to do it with systemctl but for some reason it's not working any more. Also tried rc.local as Google suggested but nothing |
| 17:44.39 | altyr | ,file snd-hda-intel.ko |
| 17:44.43 | judd | Search for snd-hda-intel.ko in jessie/amd64: linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64: lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko; linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64-dbg: usr/lib/debug/lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko |
| 17:45.06 | rafapvz | OK, thanks. |
| 17:45.17 | altyr | looks like the driver comes bundled with the kernel. yeah, try pavucontrol |
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| 17:45.32 | rafapvz | Thanks. |
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| 17:46.20 | jelly | !alsa checklist |
| 17:46.21 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 17:46.41 | jelly | that... is rather outdated |
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| 17:47.06 | torify | what should I do? |
| 17:47.08 | mutante | i remember very well looking for the cause forever until i realized the mixers were set to volume 0 and "aumix -v 100" solved it :p |
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| 17:48.37 | torify | begs for someone to help him |
| 17:49.13 | greycat | glances at the screen, sees no actual question, does not help. |
| 17:49.42 | torify | so, the thing is I am trying to activate bluetooth on start up and I am not being able to do so. I used to do it with systemctl but for some reason it's not working any more. Also tried rc.local as Google suggested but nothing. What should I do to be able to start bluetooth at start up? |
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| 17:50.00 | torify | rephrases the question so that even greycat can understand it |
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| 17:50.16 | greycat | That would be nice if I actually knew anything about Bluetooth. Sorry. |
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| 17:50.36 | torify | fair enough, thanks either way |
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| 17:51.44 | greycat | I'm curious how you think "try rc.local" is a meaningful thing. |
| 17:51.53 | greycat | What did you put in there? What happened when you booted? |
| 17:52.43 | torify | I read online I should add rfkill unblock all |
| 17:52.50 | torify | but your are right, that was a vague statement |
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| 17:53.21 | torify | sorry for that |
| 17:53.43 | greycat | Does that do anything if you run it *now*? |
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| 17:54.36 | Guest89689 | not much apparently. either way I have to leave. those were the best 2 hours of my life... |
| 17:55.14 | Guest89689 | bravo. Audio isn't working either |
| 17:55.23 | Guest89689 | wth is going on?! |
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| 17:56.56 | Guest89689 | do you know anything about audio greycat? |
| 17:57.10 | greycat | Not if it involves PulseAudio, or bluetooth devices. |
| 17:57.26 | Guest89689 | it doesn't involve bluetooth devices |
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| 17:58.58 | Guest89689 | my computer seems to be mad at me |
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| 18:01.54 | BluesKaj | avoid pulseaudio if you possibly can, but some soundcards/drivers need it for flash audio on websites, fortunately intel audio does not |
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| 18:02.16 | tempate | BluesKaj: thanks, but it suddenly works now |
| 18:02.19 | tempate | easy come easy go |
| 18:02.29 | missmbob | last firefox also needs pulseaudio |
| 18:02.51 | tempate | missmbob: any idea on how to activate bluetooth on start up? |
| 18:02.52 | missmbob | so...it's not realistic to not use it on a desktop |
| 18:02.53 | BluesKaj | yup, so i switched to chrome |
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| 18:03.09 | missmbob | i've never touched bt |
| 18:03.21 | tempate | damn son |
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| 18:03.32 | greycat | Debian's firefox-esr still works without PA, yes? |
| 18:03.42 | edi | !dpkg install |
| 18:03.42 | dpkg | There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 18:03.57 | BluesKaj | greycat, yes I think so |
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| 18:03.58 | edi | !dpkg install |
| 18:03.59 | dpkg | There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 18:04.19 | nix64bit | rafapvz: so what haooened |
| 18:04.20 | dondelelcaro | tempate: if you have bluetooth installed, and the device trusted, it should just work⢠|
| 18:04.32 | tempate | it isn't |
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| 18:04.47 | tempate | I have to sudo service bluetooth start every time a boot up |
| 18:05.28 | dondelelcaro | tempate: are you using systemd? what does systemctl status bluetooth; say? |
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| 18:06.09 | tempate | before I activate bluetooth manually it says "status dead" |
| 18:06.13 | tempate | after it says this |
| 18:06.27 | dondelelcaro | tempate: does it say that it is enabled? Or just dead? |
| 18:06.38 | tempate | just dead |
| 18:06.40 | teraflops | enable != start |
| 18:06.54 | BluesKaj | tempate, write a script with that command and add it to your startup and shutdown, it's easy in kde in case you run that |
| 18:06.54 | tempate | now it is active (running) |
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| 18:07.31 | teraflops | tempate: if the service fails read the fine logs |
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| 18:07.44 | teraflops | journallctl/systemctl status |
| 18:07.47 | tempate | BlueByte: isn't there a more standarized way to start bluetooth? |
| 18:08.23 | dondelelcaro | teraflops: right, but if it's enabled and the vendor preset is enabled, then it should automatically start |
| 18:08.27 | teraflops | it should start fine if you enable the service, unless it's failing |
| 18:08.51 | dondelelcaro | (at boot; you'll still have to run systemctl start bluetooth; now) |
| 18:09.27 | teraflops | did he paste the output of journalctl -u bluetooth.service? |
| 18:09.29 | tempate | I found this: http://paste.debian.net/932754/ |
| 18:09.54 | teraflops | or full oputput of systemct status bluetooth.service? |
| 18:10.07 | dondelelcaro | tempate: paste the whole output of systemctl status bluetooth.service there. |
| 18:10.10 | tempate | dondelelcaro: what do you mean with now? |
| 18:10.11 | teraflops | sorry the typos |
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| 18:10.51 | tempate | http://paste.debian.net/932755/ |
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| 18:11.03 | tempate | systemctl status bluetooth.service |
| 18:11.05 | teraflops | who knows maybe the bt decive is sotfblocked or whatever... |
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| 18:11.24 | tempate | let me say that everything worked perfectly until yesterday |
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| 18:11.54 | jmcnaught | a service unit that fails to start would be in the failed state, not the inactive state |
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| 18:12.23 | jmcnaught | though it would be good to check "journalctl -u bluetooth" for more clues |
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| 18:13.27 | tempate | jmcnaught: |
| 18:13.28 | tempate | http://paste.debian.net/932756/ |
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| 18:14.54 | teraflops | how did you setup bluetooth? did you add custom params to the daemon? |
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| 18:15.09 | tempate | not that I know of |
| 18:15.10 | jmcnaught | tempate: is 19:11 when the system booted, and 19:15 when you restarted it? have you looked at that hci0 Load connection error? |
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| 18:15.35 | tempate | 1. yes 2. no |
| 18:15.54 | tempate | how do I do the second question? |
| 18:15.58 | jmcnaught | tempate: could you please paste /etc/default/bluetooth? |
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| 18:16.18 | karimb | hello folks |
| 18:16.33 | teraflops | tempate: also the service is running according to your systemctl status paste. is it working right now? |
| 18:16.33 | jmcnaught | tempate: use a paper notepad, write down the times you reboot, restart services etc so that you can cross-reference with the logs |
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| 18:16.51 | karimb | i run alien on a python package and while it successfully converts it, its modules dont get properly imported. rings a bell ? |
| 18:16.53 | tempate | http://paste.debian.net/932757/ |
| 18:17.01 | teraflops | -b "n" exists |
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| 18:17.36 | tempate | it is working right now teraflops. but just because I manually activated it |
| 18:18.11 | teraflops | tempate: so for the sake of you sanity and if you want us to help you lets do things properly |
| 18:18.18 | teraflops | our* |
| 18:18.19 | greycat | By "activated" you mean you typed "systemctl start bluetooth"? If so, it would be useful to see the output of "systemctl status bluetooth" before and after that. |
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| 18:18.27 | teraflops | agh I have lag |
| 18:18.40 | ShalokShalom_ | hi there :) |
| 18:18.45 | ShalokShalom_ | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 18:18.45 | tempate | greycat: I actually typed sudo service bluetooth start |
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| 18:18.46 | ShalokShalom_ | when i install this image, is it rolling? |
| 18:18.46 | ShalokShalom_ | i want to keep it on Stretch |
| 18:19.19 | tempate | teraflops: lets do things properly then. Believe it or not I am trying my best here, I don't really have much idea of what to do though |
| 18:19.20 | greycat | If you're on stretch now, just make sure sources.list says "stretch" and not "testing", and you'll stay on stretch. |
| 18:19.35 | teraflops | tempate: enable the service, let it starts at boot, and share the error |
| 18:19.43 | missmbob | and dont use live iso to install. use a proper install iso |
| 18:19.53 | tempate | so, I have to reboot, is that correct? |
| 18:19.57 | jmcnaught | the unit /lib/systemd/system/bluetooth.service has the directive ConditionPathIsDirectory=/sys/class/bluetooth⦠is it possible this path does not exist when systemd tries to start the service? |
| 18:19.58 | greycat | If you managed to get a working install, then don't redo it. |
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| 18:20.26 | greycat | jmcnaught: "tried to start too early" is on my list of things to worry about... |
| 18:20.42 | missmbob | did he actually enable it? |
| 18:20.46 | greycat | jmcnaught: that's why I think seeing before-and-after systemctl status would be helpful. Maybe. |
| 18:20.47 | tempate | I did |
| 18:20.58 | tempate | teraflops: let me reboot and see what happens |
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| 18:21.15 | jmcnaught | actually⦠i was looking at bluetooth.service in stretch, that directive isn't present in jessie |
| 18:21.16 | teraflops | tempate: you can systemctl disable it and a sudo systemctl daemon-reload wont hurt |
| 18:21.17 | teraflops | xD |
| 18:21.31 | teraflops | then enable it and reboot |
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| 18:21.57 | teraflops | oh is he runnning stretch? |
| 18:22.16 | teraflops | he/she/ey |
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| 18:26.07 | tempate | alright, it didn't work |
| 18:26.45 | teraflops | tempate: paste the errors please |
| 18:27.02 | tempate | teraflops: I am not getting any errors, it is just not getting started |
| 18:27.17 | karimb | why does debian use dist-packages instead of site-packages to store python files ? |
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| 18:27.54 | teraflops | systemct status bluetooth.service/journalctl -u bluetooth |
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| 18:28.03 | tempate | http://paste.debian.net/932758/ |
| 18:28.06 | teraflops | without my typos :P |
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| 18:29.15 | tempate | http://paste.debian.net/932759/ |
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| 18:29.51 | tempate | gives up |
| 18:30.31 | teraflops | sorry dude but youre not being helpful |
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| 18:31.04 | tempate | I know I am not, but I have been here for two hours and I am going to blow my brains off. But you are right, sorry |
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| 18:31.19 | tempate | teraflops: so, any idea on what is happening? |
| 18:32.13 | jmcnaught | tempate: take a break ⺠there's always somebody here later. looking at the journalctl entries for bluetooth.service after a boot but before you manually start the service would be helpful |
| 18:32.46 | tempate | alright, will try again later. Thank you all |
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| 18:33.38 | teraflops | yeah |
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| 18:40.07 | MaxLanar | Hi, I activated the wifi on my debian box, and it didn't work well (I could iwlist scan wifi networks and see the the results, but then network-manager couldn't manage to bring up a working connection despite a good setup). Forget the wifi (I don't want/really need to spend time on this), but I triggered an enormous amount of log messages, my /var is filled in matter of seconds... I deleted the log files but now when I boot /var get |
| 18:40.07 | MaxLanar | filled before I manage to log to my desktop session (I can enter my credentials in the graphical login manager but then the desktop session don't load (nothing happen, I can only contemplate the login background image). When I use ctrl-alt-f[0-9] keys I see billions of error messages appearing so fast on my screen I can't even read them (and then I can't go back to the graphical login manager background image). I booted in recovery mode |
| 18:40.07 | MaxLanar | to delete the log files again but after booting again in normal mode my computer remain in the same unusable state. :/ |
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| 18:41.07 | humbot | wow |
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| 18:41.31 | MaxLanar | What can I do to deactivate those messages / the log files, and regain control on my computer in normal mode ? |
| 18:42.37 | jmcnaught | MaxLanar: what do the messages say? |
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| 18:43.39 | jmcnaught | (you may need to boot a live disk and check /var/log/syslog to find out) |
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| 18:44.10 | jhutchins_wk | MaxLanar: You need to fix whatever is causing the messages, not turn them off. Only very serious errors are written to the console, you should not attempt to proceed with a GUI session if you're getting errors there. |
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| 18:44.43 | jhutchins_wk | MaxLanar: Error messages are trying to tell YOU something. |
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| 18:45.54 | jmcnaught | MaxLanar: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Debugging try to boot an emergency shell, or use the debug-shell (root on tty9 early in boot) |
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| 18:53.30 | Lyberta | is gcc 7 going to be added to testing repo after stretch release? |
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| 18:54.17 | MaxLanar | jmcnaught: the messages say this : https://marc-o.win/messages.jpg |
| 18:54.19 | missmbob | yes. 7.1 is in experimental |
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| 18:59.22 | jmcnaught | MaxLanar: those are new errors for me. some casual surfing found a Debian mail thread https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/08/msg01751.html with a link to a launchpad bug, and also a more recent launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1521173 |
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| 18:59.59 | jmcnaught | MaxLanar: it looks like there are some kernel boot parameters related to power management that you could try. Is this an intel skylake or newer? |
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| 19:01.41 | MaxLanar | jmcnaught: skylake yes |
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| 19:01.59 | greycat | !skylake |
| 19:01.59 | dpkg | an <intel-gfx> chipset requiring firmware. For jessie support, enable <backports> and <non-free sources>, then install <bpo kernel>, xserver-xorg-video-intel and firmware-misc-nonfree from jessie-backports. |
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| 19:02.58 | greycat | Hmm, no kaby lake factoid (not even without the space)... |
| 19:03.32 | missmbob | there isnt a kernel package new enough, unfortunately |
| 19:04.00 | greycat | *nod* |
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| 19:05.01 | greycat | dpkg, kaby lake is Intel's next CPU architecture after <skylake>. Debian doesn't have a kernel package that supports Kaby Lake yet (May 2017). |
| 19:05.02 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 19:05.32 | MaxLanar | greycat: I already have a kernel from bpo, but I checked and I don't have that firmware-misc-nonfree package. I'll grab it and install it and tell you what |
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| 19:15.23 | MaxLanar | Still the same after firmware-misc-nonfree installation :( |
| 19:16.08 | jmcnaught | MaxLanar: did you try putting pci=noaer in the kernel command line? |
| 19:16.31 | MaxLanar | jmcnaught: not yet |
| 19:16.40 | MaxLanar | on my way |
| 19:16.59 | jmcnaught | MaxLanar: i would give a read to that 1521173 launchpad bug i linked to above |
| 19:17.31 | jmcnaught | i couldn't find a corresponding Debian BTS bug, but i also didn't try very hard ⺠|
| 19:19.49 | shtrb|work | With Intel 940MX card , is it safe to stick to nuevo without installing extra packages (other the standard xserver-xorg) ? |
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| 19:20.20 | shtrb|work | I do not get flickering ,crashes or freezing but I do have some odd messages |
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| 19:22.40 | shtrb|work | like priv: HUB0: 6013d4 0000573f (1f408200) and DRM: resuming |
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| 19:23.17 | teraflops | what's *nuevo*? |
| 19:23.40 | shtrb|work | misspelled nouveau |
| 19:23.43 | shtrb|work | sorry |
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| 19:24.06 | shtrb|work | to stick to defaults only (debian sid ) |
| 19:24.34 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 19:24.34 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 19:24.57 | teraflops | tried? it looks like you just need to uninstall nvidia blobs and reboot |
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| 19:25.23 | shtrb|work | Let me make it clear , I didn't install any nvidia stuff at all |
| 19:25.48 | shtrb|work | other than nvidia-detect (which got installed somehow) |
| 19:26.14 | shtrb|work | I'm saying that there are no visible problems (for me) |
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| 19:31.49 | MaxLanar | jmcnaught: that pci parameter did the trick ! :) |
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| 19:34.58 | MaxLanar | And the wifi's working !! You saved my day, thanks everyone. |
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| 19:43.25 | jhutchins_wk | Skylake + Realtek = logflood. |
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| 19:43.41 | screamslash | I'm trying to install debian via usb to a HP pavillion x360 laptop how do i get wifi turned on if i dont have an ehternet cord to install drivers? |
| 19:44.11 | greycat | Usually by starting with the netinst-plus-firmware image. |
| 19:44.43 | screamslash | where do i get that |
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| 19:45.03 | missmbob | !firmware iso |
| 19:45.03 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. From Debian 9 "Stretch", DVD1+firmware is also available. |
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| 19:45.48 | screamslash | is amd64 64bit i can never remmeber |
| 19:45.54 | missmbob | here's stretch http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/stretch_di_rc3/ |
| 19:45.57 | missmbob | yes |
| 19:46.00 | screamslash | ok thanks |
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| 19:46.21 | missmbob | hell at this point i'd just go stretch |
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| 19:48.27 | jhutchins_wk | missmbob: You're the one always trying to kick people to #debian-next. |
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| 19:49.03 | missmbob | it's a fresh install on a laptop. he has better chances. or do you have a point? |
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| 19:49.25 | jhutchins_wk | missmbob: But yeah, I almost agree. I'm building a jessie server and will let stretch cook for a couple weeks before I upgrade, but no more than that. |
| 19:49.28 | greycat | There was a huge swing in opinions here a few months back. People stopped pushing stretch users into #d-n |
| 19:50.11 | jhutchins_wk | I think it depends on the question. If we can tell that it might be specific to testing -next could be more helpful. |
| 19:50.20 | jhutchins_wk | A lot of questions are generic though. |
| 19:51.07 | greycat | It was much bigger than that. But if you're not seeing it, I can't really give you quotes. I don't keep logs. |
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| 19:52.39 | man_arab | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.01 | missmbob | !tell man_arab -about pm |
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| 20:16.07 | teoo | hello everyone! i have a question about sources.list |
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| 20:16.54 | teoo | i wanted to install capstone3 bit it was missing (i have debian jessie) |
| 20:16.59 | teoo | couldn't find the package |
| 20:17.04 | greycat | ,v capstone3 |
| 20:17.05 | teoo | but on the website there was |
| 20:17.05 | judd | No package named 'capstone3' was found in amd64. |
| 20:17.15 | teoo | and it suggested add this line: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch main |
| 20:17.25 | greycat | What is the actual package name? |
| 20:17.39 | teoo | i have added it but now it is downloading more than 1 gb of updates |
| 20:17.51 | greycat | Nooooo |
| 20:18.03 | greycat | Well, you're upgrading to stretch now, like it or not. |
| 20:18.09 | teoo | libcapstone3 if i remember right (https://packages.debian.org/stretch/s390x/libcapstone3/download) |
| 20:18.10 | missmbob | oops |
| 20:18.16 | greycat | ,v libcapstone3 |
| 20:18.17 | judd | Package: libcapstone3 on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 3.0.4-1~bpo8+1; sid: 3.0.4-1; stretch: 3.0.4-1 |
| 20:18.24 | greycat | Could've got a backport instead. Too late now. |
| 20:18.44 | altyr | ,capstone |
| 20:18.47 | altyr | er |
| 20:18.52 | altyr | ,v capstone |
| 20:18.53 | judd | No package named 'capstone' was found in amd64. |
| 20:18.54 | teoo | no problem if it is updating but how to avoid this next time i find a "missing" package? |
| 20:19.20 | greycat | !jessie-backports |
| 20:19.21 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 20:19.29 | altyr | judd doesn't find source packages? |
| 20:19.41 | missmbob | ask us first instead of just doing some random thing you found on the internet |
| 20:19.59 | teoo | good point :) |
| 20:20.49 | altyr | ,binaries capstone |
| 20:20.50 | judd | Source capstone in jessie: Binaries: python-capstone, libcapstone-dev, libcapstone2 |
| 20:21.05 | teoo | yes, but i need version 3 |
| 20:21.12 | teoo | im trying to install evans debugger |
| 20:21.30 | teoo | https://github.com/eteran/edb-debugger |
| 20:21.38 | teoo | and it say need capstone3 |
| 20:22.06 | missmbob | yes. greycat already covered this |
| 20:22.18 | teoo | interesting |
| 20:22.29 | teoo | let me duckduckgo it |
| 20:22.42 | greycat | ... huh? What are you searching for now? |
| 20:23.11 | greycat | The bots already showed us that it's available in stretch and jessie-backports, and gave the instructions link for jessie-backports. |
| 20:23.19 | missmbob | i was pointing out capstone3. dont know why altyr went on doing whatever they did |
| 20:23.22 | greycat | Not that this will matter to you now that you are running stretch. |
| 20:24.09 | altyr | missmbob: mostly trying to get judd to do what i want. probably would've been better doing it in a query with the bot |
| 20:24.15 | teoo | sorry i read wrong |
| 20:24.20 | teoo | to conclude: |
| 20:24.23 | teoo | i learned the lesson |
| 20:24.31 | teoo | i get how to do it |
| 20:24.36 | teoo | it is updating but no problem |
| 20:25.00 | missmbob | not having security might be a problem depending on what that box is for |
| 20:25.04 | greycat | You may want to review the jessie->stretch factoid to be sure you finish the release upgrade. |
| 20:25.16 | teoo | dependency for evans debugger should be all installed now (i hope) |
| 20:25.21 | teoo | security is not a problem |
| 20:25.38 | teoo | i'm running Qubes OS and this is a debian template for random things |
| 20:25.54 | teoo | i have other where i don't do random thing read over internet |
| 20:26.14 | wyre | why my fresh install is listing lightdm in autoremove list when I do upgrade? |
| 20:26.19 | wyre | I've installed jessie with xfce |
| 20:27.03 | teoo | thanks to everyone! amazing how fast i got a solution |
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| 20:29.11 | wyre | I mean, could I remove packages from my autoremove list? |
| 20:29.39 | missmbob | you do that by just doing apt install packagename |
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| 20:30.45 | wyre | missmbob, and if they are already installed why they appear in that list? |
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| 20:31.05 | greycat | because they were not explicitly installed by name by you |
| 20:31.13 | greycat | they were dragged in as dependencies of something else |
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| 20:50.19 | wyre | greycat, when I try install that packages it asks me for CD |
| 20:50.37 | greycat | !jessie sources.list |
| 20:50.38 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 20:50.45 | greycat | Assuming you're running jessie, of course. |
| 20:51.10 | missmbob | (and take out any cd sources you may have in sources.list) |
| 20:51.28 | greycat | I strongly recommend deleting the CD?DVD image lines unless you intend to use one in the future because you are on a low bandwidth or low reliability internet link. |
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| 20:58.30 | rafaz | need help to recover data from Sd card can anyone guide me to a good support channel? |
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| 21:00.34 | shtrb|work | dd ? |
| 21:01.07 | shtrb|work | also if it doesn't read from the slot , try one of the older convertors (SD to USB) |
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| 21:01.44 | pthreat | nvidia-detect doesn't shows my card 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF117M [GeForce 610M/710M/820M / GT 620M/625M/630M/720M] |
| 21:02.07 | pthreat | Linux localhost 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.18-1~bpo8+1 (2017-04-10) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:02.15 | vlt | rafaz: Use ddrescue to get an image of the readable parts of the device. Then do everything else on that image. |
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| 21:02.53 | pthreat | I downloaded the proprietary drivers, I have run nvidia-xconfig but when I initiate X the driver doesn't gets recognized |
| 21:02.58 | vlt | rafaz: Everything else might be tools like photorec, for example. |
| 21:03.12 | rafaz | thanks man |
| 21:03.30 | missmbob | pthreat: from where? |
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| 21:04.21 | pthreat | From the nvidia site, I have also installed it from ports |
| 21:04.25 | pthreat | err repositories |
| 21:04.36 | missmbob | blows up pthreat's computer |
| 21:05.39 | missmbob | i'm not even kidding. i'd reinstall |
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| 21:06.03 | pthreat | what ? |
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| 21:06.13 | pthreat | reinstall what exactly |
| 21:06.18 | missmbob | debian |
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| 21:06.37 | pthreat | right |
| 21:06.46 | greycat | There may be some more labor-intensive but less thorough way to get rid of the proprietary nvidia drivers, but it's not a well understood procedure. |
| 21:06.47 | shtrb|work | wonder how missmobob will handle the new shenanigans of flatpak installed on user level |
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| 21:07.38 | jmcnaught | pthreat: the proper way to install nvidia proprietary drivers is documented here: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Those packages will install an nvidia-installer-cleanup package that will *hopefully* undo the damage done by the nvidia installer |
| 21:08.24 | shtrb|work | ! optimus |
| 21:08.25 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:08.27 | pthreat | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Identification yeah |
| 21:08.32 | shtrb|work | cool thanks dpkg |
| 21:08.47 | pthreat | I installed bumblebee, I was about to check that |
| 21:08.54 | shtrb|work | It was for me |
| 21:09.04 | shtrb|work | I just didn't knew the correct links |
| 21:09.07 | greycat | (next time /msg dpkg optimus) |
| 21:09.15 | shtrb|work | sorry |
| 21:09.34 | jmcnaught | pthreat: if you have an optimus system then bumblebee might be required. disabling one of the GPUs in the firmware might also work. |
| 21:09.56 | shtrb|work | jmcnaught , it was for me (I did a mistake not to pm the bot) |
| 21:10.14 | pthreat | it doesn't matter, it's related to my issue anyways |
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| 21:10.44 | shtrb|work | what's dpkg's command for PRIME option ? |
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| 21:11.46 | jmcnaught | shtrb|work: https://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot (there's also a link to a web page that lets you search factoids) |
| 21:12.33 | shtrb|work | thanks |
| 21:14.19 | wyre | is mesa-demos a metapackage? |
| 21:14.39 | greycat | ,info mesa-demos |
| 21:14.40 | judd | No package named 'mesa-demos' was found in jessie/amd64. |
| 21:14.43 | pthreat | I'll look for the drivers for 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0a16] (rev 0b) |
| 21:15.24 | wyre | greycat, https://packages.debian.org/es/source/jessie/mesa-demos |
| 21:15.25 | wyre | ? |
| 21:15.32 | greycat | So it's a source package.... |
| 21:15.42 | wyre | what does that mean? xD |
| 21:16.07 | greycat | ,binary mesa-demos |
| 21:16.27 | greycat | or... the other one... :( |
| 21:16.29 | jmcnaught | pthreat: intel gpu drivers should already be installed if you have xorg installed |
| 21:16.32 | greycat | ,binaries mesa-demos |
| 21:16.33 | judd | Source mesa-demos in jessie: Binaries: mesa-utils-extra, mesa-utils |
| 21:16.54 | wyre | greycat, then I cannot install a source package with apt-get? |
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| 21:17.09 | greycat | pthreat: however, some Intel chipsets need backported packages if you're on jessie |
| 21:17.19 | pthreat | I'm on jessie |
| 21:17.33 | missmbob | wyre: apt source mesa-demos |
| 21:17.33 | greycat | wyre: the source package is just source code. It gets built into one or more binary packages that you can install and run. |
| 21:18.03 | greycat | In this case, the bot said it gets built into mesa-utils and mesa-utils-extra |
| 21:18.11 | pthreat | greycat: Is this device glx capable? |
| 21:18.38 | wyre | greycat, I thought that was a metapackage xD |
| 21:19.09 | greycat | No, a metapackage is a binary package that has no real files of its own (maybe copyright or something), and just exists to have Depends: entries. |
| 21:19.21 | greycat | For example, "xorg" |
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| 21:24.48 | shtrb|work | is there a debian "store" for flatpak ? |
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| 21:31.41 | alekz | shtrb|work: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 21:33.04 | shtrb|work | I know how deb packing works , I'm asking is there a centrilized repository for flatpak / snaps by debian |
| 21:33.33 | shtrb|work | in contrast to the "Ubuntu" store and per developer repository |
| 21:34.29 | jmcnaught | shtrb|work: i bet that gnome software will support flatpak at some point |
| 21:35.04 | shtrb|work | I think they both have some support (KDE and Gnome) |
| 21:35.30 | shtrb|work | resent KDE (upstream) added support for snaps on user level |
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| 21:36.07 | missmbob | snaps make me want to punch babies |
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| 21:36.28 | missmbob | flatpaks are neat though |
| 21:37.15 | shtrb|work | why the different approach ? |
| 21:37.43 | fallentree | shtrb|work: uh snaps are designed to work cross platform, there's no special repo for distros, there's snapcraft.io |
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| 21:38.37 | fallentree | same thing for flatpaks |
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| 22:14.45 | Aly_11 | Hello |
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| 22:15.07 | Aly_11 | Welcome, I'am a new member |
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| 22:20.02 | petn-randall | Hi Aly_11 |
| 22:21.35 | Aly_11 | HI petn |
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| 22:59.35 | lucas-arg | hello all... i have problems with web browsers... i have an intel m cpu and 4gb of ram in a laptop, and browsing the web seems slow... scroll is very laggy... even on my phone with chrome is better... dont know if there is some kinda fix for this |
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| 23:07.11 | jmcnaught | lucas-arg: same problem with firefox and chromium? what about other programs that scroll, like a PDF viewer, or actions like dragging windows? Does the problem happen on all pages? |
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| 23:11.35 | likcoras | Hi, I'm trying to find out why my wifi sometimes disconnects repeatedly after what seems like a successful authentication, with messages like "wlan0: CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED bssid=8c:04:ff:0e:a6:f5 reason=4 locally_generated=1" |
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| 23:12.07 | likcoras | I haven't been able to find documentation for the reason= field, where is that available? |
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| 23:15.12 | likcoras | And sometimes immediately after connecting (https://paste.debian.net/932792/) it will have a message like "ifdown wlan0", although not in this case. Why would wpa_supplicant bring down the network immediately after a successful connect? |
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| 23:21.51 | gtklocker | Hey, I'm trying to find virtualbox-guest-utils for stretch but I can't |
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| 23:22.18 | gtklocker | Looks like it exists for most versions except stretch |
| 23:22.28 | gtklocker | Even unstable |
| 23:23.06 | missmbob | gtklocker: you need to check the wiki. always check the wiki. https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox |
| 23:23.45 | gtklocker | missmbob: the wiki says nothing about the package not existing in stretch, I've already read it |
| 23:23.54 | missmbob | gtklocker: yes it does |
| 23:24.19 | missmbob | gtklocker: step 1 under debian 9 stretch |
| 23:24.43 | gtklocker | missmbob: this repo only contains virtualbox itself, it doesn't have any package with the guest additions |
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| 23:26.28 | missmbob | do you really care how it's packaged? |
| 23:27.00 | gtklocker | missmbob: what do you mean? virtualbox itself doesn't have anything to do with the guest additions |
| 23:27.07 | gtklocker | it's not a matter of how it's packaged |
| 23:27.08 | missmbob | oracle took over. it's a little different |
| 23:27.14 | missmbob | it downloads what it needs |
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| 23:27.50 | whitePawn23 | Sun Microsystems is great! |
| 23:28.01 | whitePawn23 | love oracle! |
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| 23:29.03 | zykotick9 | wtf... |
| 23:29.46 | gtklocker | turns out virtualbox isn't planned to be included in stretch anytime soon: https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=virtualbox |
| 23:30.13 | missmbob | correct |
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| 23:30.54 | missmbob | or ever really from the mailing lists i've read |
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| 23:37.55 | petn-randall | Gladly there are enough working alternatives ... |
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