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| 02:26.08 | nurupo | there is a wordpress package in debian, but it's very slow on updates. sometimes the package gets updates weeks after the actual update happens |
| 02:26.40 | nurupo | pretty much all of these patch-level updates are security updates |
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| 02:27.20 | nurupo | one would imagine that the debian security team would be updating that package in a timely manner |
| 02:28.12 | nurupo | or such upstream patch version updates containing security fixes are out of scope of the security team and handled by the package maintainer? |
| 02:28.40 | rjsalts | nurupo: https://www.debian.org/security/2017/ it's been updated twice this year, with fixes backported to the version in stable |
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| 02:29.06 | jmcnaught | ,v wordpress |
| 02:29.07 | judd | Package: wordpress on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u10; wheezy-security: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u14; jessie-security: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u13; jessie: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u13; jessie-backports: 4.7.3+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.7.3+dfsg-1; sid: 4.7.4+dfsg-1 |
| 02:29.08 | nurupo | anyway, this such slow updates is one of the reasons why i advise people who want to install wp to install it directly from wp website instead of using debian package |
| 02:29.19 | nurupo | s/this// |
| 02:29.24 | jmcnaught | nurupo: or use the backports package |
| 02:30.03 | nurupo | jmcnaught: it updates at the same pace as the stable one |
| 02:30.21 | jmcnaught | nurupo: perhaps the maintainer could use some help |
| 02:30.50 | nurupo | e.g. wp issues a new patch versio nwith security fixes, stable and backports packages sometimes get updated to it only weeks after |
| 02:31.18 | nurupo | perhaps |
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| 02:34.20 | jmcnaught | nurupo: you know about this tracker: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/wordpress ? |
| 02:34.34 | nurupo | no, i don't |
| 02:34.59 | cef | nurupo: The issue is that they have to backport the patches to the version in debian. That takes a bit of work when they diverge a lot. |
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| 02:35.51 | nurupo | why would it diverge though? |
| 02:35.52 | uxfi | hi freinds |
| 02:35.54 | uxfi | good evening |
| 02:36.11 | nurupo | the upstream still supports the version from stable and provides security fixes for it |
| 02:36.16 | nurupo | stable has 4.1 https://codex.wordpress.org/WordPress_Versions |
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| 02:39.04 | nurupo | the only divergent parts i would expect to be the "debianization" of the default configuration as provided by upstream |
| 02:40.22 | jmcnaught | the currently open CVE-2017-8295 doesn't sound like it would be very easy to exploit |
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| 02:42.04 | jmcnaught | though as a user of the package you're probably more aware of the long term pattern than i am. It doesn't look like there are any WNPP bugs asking for more help with the wordpress package, but if you're ever waiting for a security update it probably wouldn't hurt to ask on the BTS for that issue if any help is needed |
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| 02:46.30 | nurupo | for example, that cve is fixed in the new upastream patch release, 4.1.18, which was made about an hour ago. following the pattrn, the debian package would be updated anywhere whichin 3 days to several weeks : |
| 02:46.31 | nurupo | : |
| 02:46.35 | nurupo | * :\ |
| 02:46.41 | nurupo | can't type :P |
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| 02:47.19 | nurupo | i don't really use the package, i just compare the upstream release dates and the package changelog |
| 02:47.53 | nurupo | i use the non-package version of wp which includes auto-update to latest patch version functionality |
| 02:48.10 | jmcnaught | nurupo: i don't follow this package, but my experience with other Debian packages is that updates are triaged, and for vulnerabilities with a very narrow scope and high difficulty to exploit, sometimes those don't get fixed right away if at all |
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| 02:48.52 | jmcnaught | the Debian package for wordpress has a unique multi-site functionality that I think predates multi-site as a native wordpress feature |
| 02:48.56 | nurupo | wp is such big attack target that using the package doesn't make sense |
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| 02:50.17 | jmcnaught | the description at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-8295 makes it sound not very trivial to exploit |
| 02:50.42 | nurupo | yeah, it doesn't sound like something that is trivial to exploit |
| 02:51.18 | jmcnaught | personally my advice is to do whatever you can to not have to work with wordpress ever again ⺠|
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| 02:51.57 | nurupo | yep |
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| 02:52.17 | nurupo | agree with that advise strongly |
| 02:52.29 | nurupo | d><jmcnaught> the description at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-8295 makes it sound not very trivial to exploit <-- on't think this has any effect on the update speed though |
| 02:52.34 | nurupo | *don't |
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| 02:52.51 | Hoolootwo | I'm having problems with my initrd |
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| 02:53.13 | Hoolootwo | when I boot, I have to wait 30 seconds while something looks for drives |
| 02:53.39 | jmcnaught | my advice is to try using the worpdress debian package in a test environment, see if you think it will make your life any easier, and if so then keep an eye on the security tracker and if there's a delay then see if you can help |
| 02:53.51 | Hoolootwo | the only debug output I get is "Running /scripts/local-block" 10 or 15 times |
| 02:54.28 | ChmEarl | Hoolootwo, do you have LVM without root? |
| 02:54.37 | Hoolootwo | I have LVM, but root is not on LVM |
| 02:55.27 | Hoolootwo | is this a known bug? I didn't find anything substantial while googling |
| 02:56.13 | ChmEarl | Hoolootwo, I had a delay like that. I fixed it by moving the /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/LVM2 script up one level and rebuild initramfs |
| 02:56.31 | Hoolootwo | ChmEarl, thanks, I will give that a shot |
| 02:56.49 | ChmEarl | Hoolootwo, if you have no need for anything in your LVM during boot, then try it |
| 02:57.29 | Hoolootwo | I have /home/ on LVM, but I think that would be mounted later |
| 02:57.49 | Hoolootwo | yeah, nothing important for boot is LVMd |
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| 03:02.44 | Hoolootwo | that sounds bug-report worthy |
| 03:02.57 | Hoolootwo | if it does indeed fix it, brb |
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| 03:09.10 | ChmEarl | Hoolootwo, this trouble only came up on Stretch, not Jessie |
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| 03:12.48 | Hoolootwo | ChmEarl, I'm on stretch |
| 03:12.52 | Hoolootwo | it appears not to have fixed it |
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| 03:13.57 | ChmEarl | Hoolootwo, cheers for trying. Maybe its another */hooks script gone wild |
| 03:14.12 | Hoolootwo | hmm, it also doesn't look like the actual initrd changed, there's still /scripts/local-block/lvm32 |
| 03:14.18 | Hoolootwo | s/32/2/ |
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| 03:21.19 | mcint | This question might belong in an LVM or crypt channel, but... Is there a way to have random data writes to disk finish after the install process... After the first boot. Is there a way to select just the physical volume blocks which are not associated with a logical volume to write random to? |
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| 03:22.57 | mcint | Resize the physical volumes down to logical volume sizes, write random to everything not in the physical volumes /in a new physical volume just for random-writing? |
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| 03:35.52 | ee | Hey. Anyone using virt-manager for virtual machines? Any way to copy text from host to virt machine? |
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| 03:50.48 | mo1991 | can I create an lvm with 2 disks, but only using part of the 2nd disk? Aka one of the 2 physical disks has a 125 mac partition I do not want to be part of the lvm |
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| 04:00.07 | mo1991 | well I guess I'll just fire up the stretch disk and play with lvm and find out |
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| 04:29.38 | jmynes | Hello, I have a Debian server and something is filling up my storage rapidly |
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| 04:30.00 | jmynes | Every few days I have another % of storage filled, and I recently added storage |
| 04:30.21 | jmynes | Most of what I host on this server is static webpages, with a few databases |
| 04:30.24 | jmynes | How might I diagnose this |
| 04:30.48 | jmynes | I've gone in half a month from 81% use to 97% |
| 04:31.01 | Digz | where is the storage filling up? maybe you are getting hammered, and /var/log is filling up quick |
| 04:31.21 | jmynes | Digz, I'm unsure how to properly check |
| 04:32.57 | Digz | start with a df -h and see what mounts are filling up |
| 04:33.05 | jmynes | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 04:33.05 | jmynes | /dev/root 30G 29G 890M 97% / |
| 04:33.06 | jmynes | devtmpfs 996M 0 996M 0% /dev |
| 04:33.06 | jmynes | tmpfs 200M 308K 200M 1% /run |
| 04:33.06 | jmynes | tmpfs 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /run/lock |
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| 04:33.20 | jmynes | My bad didn't think 5 lines would kick me |
| 04:35.18 | jmynes | digastricus, seemingly 24G in var |
| 04:35.42 | jmynes | 6.2G is in /var/www |
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| 04:37.53 | jmynes | digz I think you're right, 15G in /var/log |
| 04:40.30 | mo1991 | If I have one ssd drive and one mechanical drive and am going to use the ssd drive for the system and the mechanical as backup - and want both encrypted, is there a way to make sure the system goes to the ssd and the backup to the mechanical using lvm? |
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| 04:43.20 | jmynes | I've found the offending files, mail.info, mail.log, mail.warn, syslog |
| 04:44.15 | ryouma | mo1991: you don't /need/ lvm |
| 04:45.03 | ryouma | (personally i think it's a bit overkill for all but power users and sysadmins) |
| 04:47.37 | jmynes | I think my mail log issues are from a mail server I attempted and failed to set up |
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| 04:52.18 | Digz | jmynes, if you don't use the mail server, uninstall it ;) |
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| 04:59.24 | dtux | I just tried to install debian on an old computer from a cd with raid1 configured for 2 (4TB) HDDs... the installation completed, but when i try to boot, it drops me into a grub-rescue shell. i think i only installed grub onto 1 of the disks (sda) tho i left space (1MB) for it on both. |
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| 05:00.23 | dtux | is this because i need to install it on sdb too? |
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| 05:03.48 | jelly | not necessarily. since it booted at all, bios has to have used the right disk |
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| 05:06.51 | dtux | ah, ok |
| 05:07.05 | dtux | eh, not sure what to do then |
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| 05:25.02 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 05:26.14 | darxmurf | bareos is dead or is it just a glitch on their website ? |
| 05:26.16 | TomG2 | dtux, i'm not sure either, but keep researching. maybe look up things like raid grub |
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| 05:39.04 | dtux | ok |
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| 05:46.09 | dtux | i give up... time to crash |
| 05:48.22 | uxfi | hi all |
| 05:48.24 | uxfi | good evening |
| 05:48.50 | TomG2 | dtux, yeah it probably won't be that easy on the first try |
| 05:48.55 | TomG2 | good night :) |
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| 05:49.48 | uxfi | hi TomG2 |
| 05:49.49 | uxfi | :) |
| 05:49.51 | uxfi | how are you |
| 05:50.08 | TomG2 | just fine thanks |
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| 05:59.47 | dtux | i switched the SATA mode from IDE to AHCI in the BIOS and it booted right up :) |
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| 06:05.31 | TomG2 | congratulations :) |
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| 06:25.46 | dtux | E: Package 'ruby-paint' has no installation candidate |
| 06:25.57 | dtux | but its here: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/ruby-paint |
| 06:26.09 | jelly | !bat |
| 06:26.09 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 06:30.02 | dtux | looks like im getting 500s https://paste.debian.net/932807/ |
| 06:30.32 | dka | I did a "usermod -G" without "-a" and now I lost my sudo group. I don't remember my su password. Is there a way to get back into sudo group ? |
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| 06:32.48 | jelly | !ifrp |
| 06:32.48 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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| 06:33.47 | jelly | dtux: Package pin: 0.8.6-1 Version table: 0.8.6-1 -30000 |
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| 06:34.40 | jelly | dtux: you told aptitude never to install it, or edited /etc/apt/preferences (or a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d/) manually |
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| 06:35.53 | jelly | dtux: remove that pinning to restore normal behaviour |
| 06:36.09 | dka | I did a "usermod -G" without "-a" and now I lost my sudo group. I don't remember my su password. Is there a way to get back into sudo group ? |
| 06:36.17 | jelly | dka: that !ifrp was for you. |
| 06:36.39 | dka | how do I do this ? |
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| 06:36.40 | dtux | jelly: oh shoot... sorry i just looked back at a script i ran. looks like this was the original error: https://paste.debian.net/932808/ |
| 06:36.44 | dka | press 'e' |
| 06:37.02 | jelly | dka: you have a key labeled E on your keyboard? |
| 06:37.17 | dka | yes |
| 06:37.26 | dtux | ok, ill remove the pin, thanks (fwiw, make ran that second paste) |
| 06:37.26 | dka | so whereis the grub command line? |
| 06:37.38 | jelly | press it when grub menu appears, to _get_ to editing. |
| 06:38.06 | dka | how can I know if I am using grub ? I am using debian 8 with cinnemanon |
| 06:38.41 | jelly | grub is the default boot loader, that's what gives you the boot menu |
| 06:39.17 | jelly | you can probably skip the fsck step. |
| 06:39.35 | jelly | in fact you _should_ probably skip it |
| 06:40.25 | jelly | "passwd root" will set a new root password, to be used with su |
| 06:40.50 | dka | ok |
| 06:40.55 | dka | How do I reset step 1 ? |
| 06:41.01 | dka | when |
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| 06:41.09 | dka | 'init=bin/sh' was appended |
| 06:41.13 | jelly | dka: just reboot |
| 06:41.22 | dka | ok |
| 06:41.25 | dka | I will try |
| 06:41.27 | dka | thanks :) |
| 06:41.36 | towo^work | init=bin/sh is wrong! |
| 06:41.41 | jelly | you're supposed to do that at grub's boot menu |
| 06:41.42 | towo^work | init=/bin/sh |
| 06:41.45 | dka | i know |
| 06:41.48 | dka | brb |
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| 06:50.42 | dka | hi qgqin jelly |
| 06:50.46 | dka | I again |
| 06:51.13 | dka | I have tipped 'e' and was able to edit a file, i appended 'init=/bin/sh' and then I don't know how to validate |
| 06:51.39 | dka | The UI tells me I can do CTRL+X, CTRL+C |
| 06:51.43 | dka | I have tried both |
| 06:52.00 | dka | with CTRL+C I have a grub command line but 'mount' is not a program |
| 06:52.08 | dka | with CTRL+X it just boot normally |
| 06:52.27 | dka | !ifrp |
| 06:52.28 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 06:52.58 | dka | how do I save the change in 1)? |
| 06:53.13 | dka | dtux, towo^work ? |
| 06:55.19 | dka | I did a "usermod -G" without "-a" and now I lost my sudo group. I don't remember my su password. Is there a way to get back into sudo group ? |
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| 07:00.41 | akd | i am dka |
| 07:00.49 | akd | i cant get back my Root Access ;??? |
| 07:00.53 | akd | its not my damn laptop |
| 07:00.56 | akd | i am dead |
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| 07:04.01 | gaming | is anyone on?? |
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| 07:04.18 | gaming | oi chanserv |
| 07:04.25 | gaming | hey meme |
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| 07:07.14 | gaming | pls is anyone on?? |
| 07:07.24 | gaming | i just wanna check if this works |
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| 07:27.56 | avalon_ | :D |
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| 07:28.59 | avalon_ | lot of simultane processes... in my brain |
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| 07:33.19 | dka | hi qgqin |
| 07:33.21 | dka | hi again |
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| 07:34.11 | dka | I finally manage but not with 'passwd' nor 'passwd root' cmd. Because every password change was ignored when trying to login as root. I manage to get back my root access with 'usermod -a -G sudo dka'. But now I am trying to recover the root password |
| 07:34.46 | dka | I am doing 'sudo passwd root' and change the password. However, doing 'su' and typing the password return 'su: Authentication failure' |
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| 07:35.40 | Simplar | Hello. I own an old laptop, Samsung Q45. Which Debian will be perfect for it? |
| 07:35.54 | dka | Simplar, install debian 8 |
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| 07:38.13 | celyr | dka, mhhh |
| 07:39.49 | celyr | dka, can you please change the root password to something "dummy" and past the relevant row of /etc/shadow |
| 07:39.56 | celyr | post* |
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| 07:41.08 | dka | celyr, https://pastebin.com/LnmYuxG0 |
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| 07:42.57 | dka | any idea why ? |
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| 07:43.36 | celyr | dka, are you logging in by the console or by ssh ? |
| 07:43.42 | dka | console |
| 07:43.45 | dka | it's my laptop |
| 07:43.58 | celyr | well |
| 07:44.05 | celyr | are you sure you type it correctly ? XD |
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| 07:44.53 | dka | strange thing, I did type: 'sudo su root' then I got a bash with only: 'bash-4.3#' without any prompt. I then did 'sudo su ajt', 'sudo su dka', 'su' and now I have a bash with PS1 of dka 'root@dev-04:[/home/dka]:' |
| 07:45.01 | dka | yes |
| 07:45.30 | dka | i am absolutely sur, I tried to type it blank before, and then type it, same when i set it, I have also tried with 'h' as a password, 'h' never change depending of keyboard locale |
| 07:45.31 | celyr | okay, how are you logging in with dka ? can you login in the console ? |
| 07:45.44 | dka | I have an application called 'terminal' |
| 07:45.50 | dka | I can login |
| 07:45.56 | celyr | did you try ? |
| 07:45.58 | dka | dka is sudo, ajt is sudo |
| 07:46.03 | dka | which cmd ? |
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| 07:46.48 | celyr | I mean, did you try to login with dka from the console ? |
| 07:47.05 | celyr | or you did login only in X ? |
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| 07:48.49 | dka | https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/uploads/99920cad0a099a03e14d61fee025d6c4/image.png |
| 07:49.03 | dka | I type dummy in clear to show you, then I did all this |
| 07:49.10 | celyr | I'm talking about the console |
| 07:49.12 | celyr | not the terminal |
| 07:49.27 | dka | I don't know the difference |
| 07:49.31 | celyr | ctrl+alt+F1 to return back to X then you can do ctrl+alt+F7 |
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| 07:49.46 | celyr | try to login there as root and as dka please |
| 07:49.51 | dka | ok |
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| 07:50.48 | quitisomes | Hello good morning everybody i got some answers about using an uftp service over an enviroment UFTP SV --> Proxy Server --> Proxy Client --> UFTP Client |
| 07:50.49 | dka | I can't login with anyone |
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| 07:50.55 | quitisomes | somebody could help me??? |
| 07:51.02 | celyr | dka, good! |
| 07:51.02 | quitisomes | a lot of thanks b4 nothing |
| 07:51.05 | celyr | well bad |
| 07:51.23 | dka | good or bad ? |
| 07:51.32 | celyr | dka, so you tried to login with dka and it didn't work and also root didn't work |
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| 07:51.45 | celyr | dka, well we found the problem but it's not a nice one |
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| 07:52.02 | dka | yesterday. A collegue borrowed me his laptop because mine is at the repair center |
| 07:52.10 | celyr | dka, can you please do sudo ls -lash /etc/passwd and then the same /etc/shadow |
| 07:52.16 | pingfloyd | dka: the difference in prompt isn't strange |
| 07:52.22 | pingfloyd | dka: it makes perfect sense |
| 07:52.23 | dka | I just wanted to create a group for both of us, to solve a node permission issue. I did create a group called developer |
| 07:52.46 | dka | and missused 'usermod -G' forgotting 'usermod -a -G' and this is probably how I started this nightmare |
| 07:53.28 | pingfloyd | dka: also default authentication is different between su an sudo |
| 07:53.53 | dka | '4.0K -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.4K Mar 31 2016 /etc/passwd' && '4.0K -rw-r----- 1 root shadow 1.7K May 17 14:46 /etc/shadow' |
| 07:53.58 | celyr | okay |
| 07:54.25 | dka | pingfloyd, how different ? |
| 07:54.49 | pingfloyd | dka: by default sudo uses the password of the user trying to escalate, where as su uses root's password |
| 07:54.55 | quitisomes | Please somebody could help me about a problem with UFTP Service??? |
| 07:55.09 | celyr | dka, can you do sudo groups |
| 07:55.35 | dka | pingfloyd, I was aware of it |
| 07:55.42 | dka | celyr, I can. I have one already |
| 07:55.53 | pingfloyd | dka: use adduser user group instead |
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| 07:56.24 | celyr | dka, result ? |
| 07:56.26 | dka | pingfloyd, why ? adduser is for a non existing user am I correct ? |
| 07:56.34 | pingfloyd | you can usermod if you want, but there as some flags you can't forget |
| 07:56.38 | dka | celyr, 'root sudo docker' |
| 07:56.42 | pingfloyd | dka: adduser is a script included with debian |
| 07:57.17 | celyr | dka, well sudo e docker are pretty useless |
| 07:57.21 | pingfloyd | it's a little more elegant with its syntax |
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| 07:59.34 | dka | celyr, I think docker need it |
| 07:59.38 | dka | how can I remove sudo ? |
| 07:59.43 | dka | and how can I solve my login issue |
| 07:59.44 | dka | ? |
| 07:59.52 | celyr | dka, I'm thinking |
| 08:00.40 | dka | solved |
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| 08:01.09 | dka | I did connect to another laptop with a similar config and check the groups of the two users I modified |
| 08:01.26 | dka | I added 'ajt' to all the missing group, same for dka and it work |
| 08:01.35 | dka | I can login with all the users |
| 08:01.36 | dka | :] |
| 08:01.40 | dka | including su |
| 08:01.43 | dka | root |
| 08:02.00 | dka | except from the terminal ! |
| 08:02.03 | dka | I can't login with su |
| 08:02.26 | pingfloyd | dka: also when you add a user to group, that user must log out completely for the new group membership to go into effect |
| 08:02.37 | dka | I will reboot then |
| 08:02.38 | dka | thanks |
| 08:02.50 | dka | thanks celyr! |
| 08:02.50 | pingfloyd | you shouldn't have to reboot, but a reboot is always thorough |
| 08:03.01 | dka | brb |
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| 08:03.55 | jolt | You can run newgrp if you want to get the changes for the user right away (or open a new shell in your shell) |
| 08:04.13 | pingfloyd | true, but logging out/in is more thorough |
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| 08:04.57 | pingfloyd | I'll usually do that when I want to test it first before going through the trouble of logging out |
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| 08:05.06 | dka | Hi again, my authentication work fine through the console, but not for the terminal when I type 'su', using 'dummy' as a password, I have 'su: Authenication failure' |
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| 08:05.49 | dka | pingfloyd, I haven't seen your messages between this one 'you shouldn't have to reboot, but a reboot is always' and ' I'll usually do that when I want to test it first before going through the trouble of logging out' |
| 08:06.06 | pingfloyd | dka: jolt mentioned the other way to have it go into affect |
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| 08:07.22 | celyr | dka, this doesn't explain why you were not able to login as root |
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| 08:09.39 | quitisomes | Hello good morning everybody i got some answers about using an uftp service over an enviroment UFTP SV --> Proxy Server --> Proxy Client --> UFTP Client |
| 08:09.40 | celyr | dka, can you try sudo usermod -u root ? |
| 08:09.54 | quitisomes | could somebody help me please |
| 08:10.14 | Ben64 | help you with some answers you have? |
| 08:10.24 | quitisomes | hello ben64 and ta |
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| 08:10.28 | quitisomes | thanks for answer |
| 08:10.45 | quitisomes | the problem is I cant get my traffic throught the infraestructure |
| 08:10.48 | dka | 'usermod: invalid user ID 'root'' |
| 08:10.53 | quitisomes | proxy server - proxy client - to client |
| 08:11.00 | quitisomes | it goes directly from uftp server to client |
| 08:11.35 | quitisomes | im @crazy with this for 3 days |
| 08:11.55 | quitisomes | and i dont find any information only on sourceforge i asked on forum but nobody can answer me |
| 08:12.08 | celyr | dka, sorry, passwd -u root |
| 08:12.18 | celyr | with sudo |
| 08:12.58 | dka | 'passwd: password expiry information changed.' |
| 08:13.12 | celyr | dka, change the password now and try to login |
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| 08:14.52 | dka | After changing root password with 'sudo passwd root' work with the console, not with the terminal. |
| 08:16.58 | petn-randall | !doesn't work |
| 08:16.58 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 08:17.10 | petn-randall | dka: Do you get an error? |
| 08:17.47 | dka | 'su: Authentication failure |
| 08:17.48 | dka | ' |
| 08:18.09 | quitisomes | Hello good morning everybody i got some problems using an uftp service over an enviroment UFTP SV --> Proxy Server --> Proxy Client --> UFTP Client |
| 08:18.16 | jolt | quitisomes: It's REALLY hard to debug something like that over IRC |
| 08:18.49 | jolt | quitisomes: I would personally try with tcpdump on each host to see what the traffic looks like, verify if the Proxy header is present on the dump and so on |
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| 08:22.10 | quitisomes | the problem is the packet doesnt hop along the estructure it goes directly to the client |
| 08:22.23 | quitisomes | im trying in a laboratory with the same network |
| 08:22.34 | quitisomes | all 192.168.1.x / 24 |
| 08:22.48 | quitisomes | but i need the packet goes throught all infraestructura |
| 08:23.24 | quitisomes | i dont know if im wrong with commands or what |
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| 08:24.54 | jolt | quitisomes: I have no idea what UFTP is, but a quick search turns up that this is UDP multicast, so in a local network it would go directly to the server (hence multicast) |
| 08:25.46 | jolt | quitisomes: So you would probably need to configure something something proxy on the client to force it to go through the proxy, or make them run on different networks and switches, where multicast is disabled. |
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| 08:26.18 | jolt | quitisomes: A bit outside my league though. Probably more of a network design issue than anything related to Debian, I'm afraid |
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| 08:32.38 | celyr | !goal |
| 08:32.38 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
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| 08:52.11 | petn-randall | dka: It could be that you have different keyboard layouts, I'd check that first. |
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| 08:58.35 | tlatelolco | Hello! I have a fresh Debian 8.7, Linux 3.16.39 install. I have servers running on it. Yesterday, I went away while it was up (not logged in). I was really astonished to see this morning that it was in standby mode (when the power LED flashes), and unjoinable even with a ping. How can I make it to be always up, on the network and serving? |
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| 09:01.48 | jmcnaught | tlatelolco: is the computer running a GUI? did you check your logs to see what suspended the computer? |
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| 09:03.28 | tlatelolco | jmcnaught, yes, GNOME. Which log? |
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| 09:05.02 | jmcnaught | tlatelolco: /var/log/syslog is always a good place to start. Have you checked GNOME settings to make sure that automatic suspend is disabled? |
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| 09:10.17 | tlatelolco | syslog is obscure to me. I'll search for system-wide GNOME settings. I don't know where it is, since I mainly use servers without GUI. I wanted this one to be useable by noobs |
| 09:11.08 | jmcnaught | tlatelolco: you can open syslog with the "less" command, which you can search with the / key (press /, type in search word, press n for next) |
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| 09:11.40 | tlatelolco | yes, but what to look for? |
| 09:11.49 | tlatelolco | "suspend"? "standby"? |
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| 09:13.30 | jmcnaught | yes, "power" is another word you could try |
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| 09:13.57 | tlatelolco | i can't find it. I don't know when it occured |
| 09:14.09 | jmcnaught | syslog is timestamped, so if you know the time that you resumed the computer you can go to that time, then look at the lines above it |
| 09:17.50 | jelly | ,v lame |
| 09:17.51 | judd | Package: lame on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.99.5+repack1-3+deb7u1; jessie: 3.99.5+repack1-7+deb8u1; stretch: 3.99.5+repack1-9+b2; sid: 3.99.5+repack1-9+b2; wheezy-multimedia: 1:3.99.5-dmo2+wheezy2; jessie-multimedia: 1:3.99.5-dmo4; sid-multimedia: 1:3.99.5-dmo6 |
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| 09:18.01 | yottanami | Recently I reinstalled debian sid on my Laptop. Now during my work the screens change to black and shuntdown after seconds. It happends in random times here is my dmesg http://dpaste.com/3RCDKFF |
| 09:18.27 | jelly | sid you say? |
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| 09:18.36 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 09:18.36 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 09:18.47 | tlatelolco | jmcnaught, In gnome-control-center, the computer is never supposed to go down |
| 09:19.16 | Iridos | maybe there was a power failure |
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| 09:22.13 | tlatelolco | no, because the computer wouldn't have respawn |
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| 09:23.26 | yottanami | jelly, I tried to ask on debian-next but it seams no one is talking there |
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| 09:24.29 | Iridos | well, jelly is there⦠^^ |
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| 09:27.03 | Iridos | tlatelolco, my desktop never goes down⦠it doesn't now and it didn't when I used gnome |
| 09:27.32 | Iridos | ⦠and I don't think that could be the default anywhere in debian |
| 09:28.46 | jmcnaught | same here, GNOME in jessie and stretch, it never goes down. unless there are other details like a lid being closed, then your best bet is to look at the logs immediately preceding the time that it resumed |
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| 09:31.41 | tlatelolco | Should I fire network-manager, and write my config in /etc/network/interfaces, to be sure, it's always on the network? |
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| 09:32.27 | Iridos | oh, was it only disconnected from the network? the way I read it, it was in suspend mode? |
| 09:32.43 | tlatelolco | both |
| 09:33.28 | Iridos | well, obviously there's no network if it's in suspend mode |
| 09:33.39 | Iridos | but what does that have to do with network manager |
| 09:33.58 | Iridos | what version of debian is this? |
| 09:34.07 | tlatelolco | In syslog i see that yesterday @19:10 and 19:50, it did well my crontab... |
| 09:34.11 | tlatelolco | 8.7 |
| 09:35.28 | Iridos | what was at 19:10? |
| 09:35.54 | Iridos | and we're at 8.8 now⦠you should probably do an apt-get update;apt-get upgrade or so |
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| 09:36.22 | tlatelolco | yes, I will |
| 09:36.29 | tlatelolco | (just backups) |
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| 09:49.26 | quite | Looking at https://packages.debian.org/sid/vcs/git-daemon-run; what does the final dot mean here: `dep: git (<< 1:2.11.0-.)` |
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| 10:19.24 | Iridos | well⦠https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version ? |
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| 10:20.01 | scwizard | Hi I'm having an issue with Japanese characters sorta |
| 10:20.09 | scwizard | Japanese characters are rendering but the full width yen symbol is not |
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| 10:21.59 | MolluskEmpire | Alright, Wicd continues to fail at Validating authentication. Networks show but it continuously fails to connect. Does anyone know what may be the issue or a workaround? I have restarted the router and can connect to it fine wirelessly on other devices as well as direct wired on this device. |
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| 10:50.18 | sorin-mihai | is there some way to find out what are the supported partition formats known/accepted by debian-installer as input in a recipe? |
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| 10:53.31 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
| 10:57.01 | vlt | Hi |
| 10:57.16 | contrapunctus | Hi |
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| 11:18.10 | colo-work | I'm failing at mirroring a "packagecloud.io"-provided apt repository with approx. it's this repository: https://packagecloud.io/varnishcache/varnish41 (for jessie) |
| 11:18.21 | colo-work | and I get this error: W: Failed to fetch http://10.0.0.199:3142/varnish/dists/jessie/InRelease Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-amd64/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
| 11:18.32 | colo-work | (10.0.0.199:3142 is where approx is listening on my local network) |
| 11:18.52 | colo-work | the InRelease-file that I can retrieve under this URI does not look broken to me |
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| 11:19.37 | colo-work | InRelease-response: http://paste.debian.net/932825/ |
| 11:19.48 | colo-work | any ideas what is going on (and wrong at that)? |
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| 11:24.16 | jolt | colo-work: Tried with curl/wget to that URL? |
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| 11:24.37 | colo-work | jolt, which URL? have you checked out my paste? |
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| 11:31.29 | funabashi | A general linux question. ist possible to see more info about a process ? i want to see all stuff which iss possible |
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| 11:35.20 | Iridos | funabashi, /proc/pid (where pid is the process id of the process) |
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| 12:06.39 | Helle | can I, without patching the kernel, disable the snd-audio-usb module for a specific vid/pid pair ? |
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| 12:19.49 | al3xprey | If I add a disk to an existing raid5, specifying the disk as /dev/sdb not as /dev/sdb1, what does it matter when it still syncs and all the other disks are named /dev/sda1, /dev/sdc1 and so on |
| 12:20.52 | topi` | I want to bootstrap a debian image, unanttended. I already found out ways of determining the config for package foo in advance, using debconf-set-selections ... but the question is, how do I find out the key names of individual cfg items for packages+ |
| 12:21.10 | topi` | this is an example for chef: |
| 12:21.10 | topi` | echo chef chef/chef_server_url string | sudo debconf-set-selections |
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| 12:31.31 | kaartic | hello all. |
| 12:32.40 | kaartic | I am currently using debian stretch. I am experiencing a few issues with it. Is this the right place to report/discuss it ? |
| 12:33.39 | jelly | sure, but see also |
| 12:33.42 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 12:33.42 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 12:35.23 | kaartic | jelly: I thought I joined #debian-next. I guess I mistyped it. Thank for pointing out! |
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| 12:45.54 | kaartic | I guess #debian-next requires an invite. How do I join it > |
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| 12:46.08 | kaartic | correction > -> ? |
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| 12:46.59 | slax0r | by getting an invite |
| 12:47.25 | slax0r | I bet it's closed down because too many people were asking when the next version is going to be released ;) |
| 12:47.37 | kaartic | slax0r: I'm new to irc, how do you get one ? |
| 12:47.54 | kaartic | BTW, that's funny :) |
| 12:48.03 | slax0r | kaartic: someone who's an operator of the channel has to send you an invite |
| 12:48.10 | jelly | I bet neither kaartic not slax0r read what dpkg said |
| 12:48.10 | slax0r | beats me who that is though :) |
| 12:48.12 | petn-randall | karakedi: Did you read dpkg's message to the end? I'm guessing you didn't. |
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| 12:48.38 | jelly | let's review |
| 12:48.42 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 12:48.42 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:48.47 | slax0r | jelly: indeed I did not :) |
| 12:49.04 | jelly | different irc network, different irc server |
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| 12:49.13 | slax0r | was too far back backlog for me too see it ;) |
| 12:50.00 | jelly | kaartic: you didn't mistype, the one on Freenode redirects here (mostly because it cannot redirect to a different server) |
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| 12:51.52 | kaartic | jelly: ok. I'll get into oftc. I actually was confused by the channel status which said that "#debian-next requires an invite" and nothing about that it didn't exist here. |
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| 13:06.24 | jhasse | Hi! Everytime after boot I need to run "route add default gw <IP>" in order to get an internet connection. How can I set up this that it happens automatically? I've already added `gateway <IP>` to the interface in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 13:13.40 | janw | Hi! Using Raspbian on a Pi3. Seems I have broken my apt. When I do "sudo apt update" I get error: "/usr/lib/apt/methods/copy: error while loading shared libraries: Libapt-pkg.so.4.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". Any help? Thanks! |
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| 13:14.24 | topi` | is it possible to do *anything* from a postinstall script on a custom debian pkg? I'd like to create such a .deb that installing it will move /var to /mnt/var and symlink /var there. That way, I get (almost) working readonly root. |
| 13:15.13 | topi` | janw: losing apt is not cool. I recommend reinstalling, or finding where libapt-pkg.so.4.1 is situated. |
| 13:15.41 | topi` | janw: you can try "find / -name "libapt-pkg.so*" to see if it is situated in a wrong filesystem or whatnot |
| 13:16.33 | janw | topi`: I found the package and already tried to manually re-install it (sudo dpkg -i libapt-pkg4.12_1.0.9.8.4_armhf.deb), but it didnt help. Trying to work around a complete reinstall. |
| 13:16.45 | janw | Will do, thanks |
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| 13:25.09 | petn-randall | jhasse: Can you paste the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces? Preferably to http://paste.debian.net. |
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| 13:38.58 | TyrfingMjolnir | How can I make a boot script that chroots? |
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| 13:40.01 | TyrfingMjolnir | I believe it's called chroot jail |
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| 13:42.37 | fallentree | TyrfingMjolnir: boot script? can you elaborate? |
| 13:43.13 | TyrfingMjolnir | I use chroot when using debootstrap or pacstrap, but I have never used chroot in the place of a service or boot script, what will be different? I would like to launch an ancient app( debian 3 ) in a newer version of debian |
| 13:43.57 | TyrfingMjolnir | I only need at least glibc from debian 3 |
| 13:44.07 | TyrfingMjolnir | I need at least glibc from debian 3 |
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| 13:44.53 | fallentree | maybe set up a container like LXC |
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| 13:46.48 | shtrb|laptop | well , that is biblical level Any DD that manges the microsoft repository can fix their sections I think they shouldn't be using main |
| 13:47.28 | shtrb|laptop | * http://packages.microsoft.com/debian/8/prod |
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| 13:48.15 | aypea[1] | one url to rule them all and in the darkness bind them. |
| 13:48.46 | fallentree | google.com |
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| 13:49.19 | shtrb|laptop | They should have used non-free :) |
| 13:49.42 | aypea[1] | embrace commenced. |
| 13:50.15 | johnfg | How do I know what MTA I have installed on jessie? |
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| 13:52.03 | jelly | johnfg: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 13:54.28 | johnfg | jelly: I'm finishing up my stretch installation, and when installing mutt, it's asking me for a MTA. I'd like it to match my jessie. But as jessie has mate, and stretch is xfce4, on stretch no MTA was installed. |
| 13:54.29 | jelly | dpkg, tell TyrfingMjolnir about debootstrap |
| 13:54.39 | Johann | shtrb|laptop: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/UseThirdParty "If the repository has no reason to be split into multiple components, then the component name SHOULD be main." |
| 13:54.52 | jelly | TyrfingMjolnir: you'll have to get woody (debian 3.0) from archive.debian.org |
| 13:55.36 | Johann | so they pretty much did what's recommended by using main and not non-free |
| 13:56.19 | shtrb|laptop | in that case I misread the manual in the past |
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| 13:56.51 | shtrb|laptop | they also seem not to repackage for debian mssql (only set for ubuntu ) |
| 13:57.05 | johnfg | jelly: Looks like on jessie I have exim4-daemon-light providing sendmail. |
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| 13:58.50 | jelly | johnfg: makes sense, that's the default that gets pulled in automatically |
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| 13:59.41 | TomG2 | maybe TyrfingMjolnir can use a VM to run Debian woody in |
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| 14:00.04 | jelly | a full vm is probably a better idea |
| 14:00.05 | TyrfingMjolnir | jelly: I |
| 14:00.09 | jelly | can |
| 14:00.11 | jelly | get no |
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| 14:00.27 | TyrfingMjolnir | 'm able to debootstrap and chroot in that fashion; interactively |
| 14:00.39 | jelly | good |
| 14:00.41 | TyrfingMjolnir | But I never wrote a boot script that uses chroot. |
| 14:00.47 | TyrfingMjolnir | or a service... |
| 14:00.51 | jelly | oh, it's not that hard |
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| 14:01.27 | TyrfingMjolnir | To make this even more adventurous I have chose to do this in a SmartOS LX zone of debian 8 flavour |
| 14:01.27 | jelly | there's probably a better way, but I use a custom init script for that |
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| 14:01.53 | jelly | no idea what SmartOS LX means. |
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| 14:02.10 | jelly | "zone" sounds vaguely like Solaris |
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| 14:02.40 | Johann | TyrfingMjolnir: i m not sure to understand your need, are you trying to have an application that needs to be chroot to automatically boot on your system ? Or are you trying to just manually start an app that need to be chroot ? |
| 14:03.29 | koris | why is #debian-next invite-only |
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| 14:03.42 | jelly | koris: wrong network, it moved to irc.oftc.net |
| 14:03.44 | koris | oh it isn't even on freenode nevermind |
| 14:03.51 | koris | thanks |
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| 14:04.40 | BluesKaj | not exactly a responsive bunch there |
| 14:05.13 | koris | I just wanted to ask how things look for someone who wants to install Stretch as a general use OS |
| 14:05.20 | koris | at this point, since it has already come so far |
| 14:05.51 | jelly | mostly works, except when it doesn't |
| 14:06.00 | petn-randall | koris: It's quite usable, but just keep in mind that there are still a few bugs that keep it from being released. |
| 14:06.24 | BluesKaj | koris, I'm using stretch and it'working fine with KDE/Plasma DE |
| 14:06.32 | koris | hmmmmmmm, nice |
| 14:07.22 | celyr | koris, you can expect stretch to be really close as stable nowadays |
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| 14:07.31 | jelly | TyrfingMjolnir: stupid init script for a chroot http://paste.debian.net/932848/ |
| 14:07.53 | jelly | sets up a couple bind mounts, starts/stops some services |
| 14:08.12 | jelly | sane people use containers for this |
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| 14:09.04 | jhutchins | "sane" and "containers" in the same sentence? |
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| 14:09.17 | OS-29603 | #offsec |
| 14:09.31 | OS-29603 | hello |
| 14:09.48 | petn-randall | Hi OS-29603 |
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| 14:10.34 | jhutchins | koris: stretch is real close now. On the other hand, that means that they might decide to fix a big issue that leaves it really broken for an extended period. |
| 14:10.37 | petn-randall | OS-29603: Do you have a question about Kali? |
| 14:10.45 | BluesKaj | I thought containers were for the paranoid |
| 14:11.00 | jhutchins | BluesKaj: They're for the leet and trendy. |
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| 14:11.54 | BluesKaj | jhutchins, ahh, well I'm old and not trendy , and don't care |
| 14:11.59 | jelly | OS-29603: you probably want to type "/join #offsec" and not just "#offsec" |
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| 14:12.15 | johnfg | jelly: with a different Desktop, like mate, right? xfce4 didn't pull one in. |
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| 14:12.38 | jelly | johnfg: aptitude why exim4-daemon-light |
| 14:12.38 | TheDillon__ | Hello guys. Anyone here who can help me through a Debian install? I can get most of the way through, but I encounter a different "fatal error" each time. |
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| 14:13.11 | koris | thanks |
| 14:13.29 | BluesKaj | TheDillon__, using the GUI install? |
| 14:13.43 | TheDillon__ | Yes BluesKaj |
| 14:14.09 | somiaj | TheDillon__: how did you create the install image? Did you run a checksum on it to ensure it wasn't corrupted? |
| 14:14.45 | TheDillon__ | I did not, but one of the Admins (or whatever you call them) from the Linux channel gave it to me, so I imagine it to be good. |
| 14:15.06 | BluesKaj | TheDillon__, I gave up on that installer and went with the plain (text) installer..worked fine |
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| 14:15.28 | somiaj | TheDillon__: linux channel? Did they give you a usb key or a cd? |
| 14:15.42 | topi` | jelly: I usually bind mount the entire /dev, but I guess /dev/pts is mainly enough? |
| 14:15.55 | TheDillon__ | somiaj: They gave me an .iso file that I dd'd onto a usb |
| 14:15.56 | somiaj | TheDillon__: guess I wasn't clear, how did you put the install image onto your install medium? Did you run a checksum on it. |
| 14:16.08 | TheDillon__ | BluesKaj: Ill try that next. Thanks! |
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| 14:16.17 | TheDillon__ | somiaj: Didn't run checksum, no |
| 14:16.21 | somiaj | TheDillon__: okay, just double checking, the next thing I would do is run a checksum on it, had you got the image from debian, the checksums would have been in the same place you downloaded it. |
| 14:16.24 | topi` | we might be talking about a different thing, thoug... I usually don't run my stuff under LXC |
| 14:17.17 | jelly | topi`: depends on what you need. /dev/pts is not there for services, but for me to do manual upgrades and run "script" inside which wants a tty |
| 14:17.20 | somiaj | TheDillon__: anyways, you may have to give more detail on this 'fatal error', where it occured, etc. If it keeps occuring at random points it could be a corrupt image, or maybe some issue with memeory on your system. If you can identify the point that went wrong, we can give more suggestions on what could be the issue. |
| 14:17.30 | topi` | jelly, good point |
| 14:17.30 | BluesKaj | TheDillon__, I think the GUI isn't compatible with certain HW |
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| 14:17.47 | TheDillon__ | somiaj: I'm going to run the plaintext install and see what errors I get. |
| 14:17.52 | TheDillon__ | Thanks BluesKaj |
| 14:18.00 | koris | so how do you people think Stretch's version of KDE compares to KDE 4? |
| 14:18.51 | BluesKaj | koris, it's kde/plasma5 if you're familiar |
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| 14:19.43 | jhutchins | koris: You'll probably get better answers from #debian-next on oftc.net. |
| 14:19.52 | jhutchins | koris: Most of the people here run stable. |
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| 14:20.13 | jelly | some of the people that have stretch moved back from Plasma5 to xfce |
| 14:20.30 | koris | ah, thanks |
| 14:20.42 | jelly | because KDE people think backward compatibility is a foreign concept |
| 14:20.52 | jelly | see also: kde 3.5 -> 4 |
| 14:21.03 | BluesKaj | stretch on on kde/plasma works well here, koris |
| 14:21.16 | BluesKaj | plasma5 that is |
| 14:21.22 | koris | does it have all the features you want it to? |
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| 14:22.40 | shtrb|laptop | BluesKaj , can you have two sessions at once ? |
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| 14:23.02 | shtrb|laptop | (*) two plasma sessions at once |
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| 14:23.45 | BluesKaj | some of my fav features were dropped like sparate backgrounds for each virtual dekstop , but using activities solves that problem...almost |
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| 14:24.09 | shtrb|laptop | koris , the only serious issues (for me ) I have found with plasma is failure to support more than one X session |
| 14:24.24 | BluesKaj | shtrb|laptop, user sessions ? |
| 14:24.34 | shtrb|laptop | Also some slightly issues if you have messages that fill up the desktop |
| 14:24.39 | koris | huh |
| 14:24.39 | shtrb|laptop | no , plasma sessions |
| 14:24.54 | shtrb|laptop | If you do not need to have two seperate users working side by side it's not an issue |
| 14:25.11 | shtrb|laptop | BluesKaj , on lock screen when you click on new session |
| 14:25.31 | shtrb|laptop | beware , the bug causes your X to go to vacation |
| 14:25.38 | BluesKaj | shtrb|laptop, I don't know |
| 14:25.51 | johnfg | jelly: Interesting...on stretch, aptitude isn't even installed, by default. |
| 14:26.14 | Johann | johnfg: has it ever been installed by default ? |
| 14:26.17 | BluesKaj | I use different activities with different apps |
| 14:26.22 | jelly | johnfg: same as on jessie, wheezy |
| 14:26.23 | koris | I've never needed to have two separate users working side by side... it is interesting that some need that |
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| 14:26.35 | shtrb|laptop | koris , also the issues with messages filling up the screen (that can happen to you if you have something doing wall or asking for a password in a different tty or by systemd) |
| 14:26.56 | shtrb|laptop | koris , ok it's all depends on your use case |
| 14:27.02 | johnfg | Johann: jelly: I've been running debian so long, that I don't remember explicitly installing aptitude. |
| 14:27.32 | shtrb|laptop | seats and seperate sessions is something very old (and common when you wish to allow working on the same pc ) |
| 14:29.07 | shtrb|laptop | koris , imagene you have two people and only one screen and keyboard , you don't wish to force one to close all his apps , so you allow them to login on a different tty (while the first get's up to grab some tea or whatever ) |
| 14:29.23 | koris | oh, yeah that makes sense |
| 14:29.50 | shtrb|laptop | when you have seats configured (two screens + two keyboards ) everyone get's his own pair |
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| 14:31.17 | BluesKaj | ttys aren't really sessions ...no DE |
| 14:31.31 | shtrb|laptop | that is why you fire up a full blown X session |
| 14:31.36 | shtrb|laptop | plasma session |
| 14:31.44 | shtrb|laptop | another instance of everything |
| 14:32.00 | shtrb|laptop | sorry , if I wasn't clear |
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| 14:32.48 | johnfg | I haven't used the 'why' of aptitude before. When it gave back from running the cmd you suggested, `i mixmaster Recommends postfix | mail-transport-agent, what does that mean? |
| 14:33.21 | johnfg | Is the i showing that mixmaster is installed? |
| 14:33.22 | shtrb|laptop | BluesKaj , if you don't have that use case than never mind (seats and second sessions are a special usecase) |
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| 14:35.23 | jelly | johnfg: it means mixmaster package is (one of the) reason(s) why a MTA got installed |
| 14:35.47 | BluesKaj | shtrb|laptop, check out the kde/plasma https://askubuntu.com/questions/633318/save-session-settings-in-kde-environment-without-shutting-down |
| 14:36.08 | jelly | johnfg: I _think_ it means that, yes. |
| 14:36.17 | BluesKaj | shtrb|laptop, assume a similar situation on stretch |
| 14:36.17 | shtrb|laptop | the idea is not to stop apps (not to store the session ) |
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| 14:39.28 | TheDillon__ | Any specific package manager I should use? Or just default to ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 14:42.06 | TomG2 | there's a netselect package to help you pick out the nearest mirror if you like |
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| 14:43.08 | TwistedFate | i finished compiling llvm-4.0 from source, now i can install it with dpkg -i llvm-4.0 right? |
| 14:43.11 | shtrb|laptop | you can also use the mirrors from a list or reply on httpredir |
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| 14:44.09 | BluesKaj | shtrb|laptop, maybe you can find some answers here https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.9.0.php |
| 14:44.13 | TwistedFate | llvm-4.0_4.0.1~+rc1-1_amd64.deb* |
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| 14:44.50 | shtrb|laptop | BluesKaj , it was an open bug (that supposed to be fixed in 5.9 or 5.10 ) I'm still waiting for it to arrive in debian :) |
| 14:44.53 | shtrb|laptop | to debian |
| 14:45.10 | shtrb|laptop | *two separate bugs |
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| 14:46.10 | BluesKaj | yeah kinda fiugred 5.9 was too advanced since I have 5.8 |
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| 14:46.41 | shtrb|laptop | so do I , the good old people at pkg-debian said to wait |
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| 14:47.31 | BluesKaj | difficult to find kde.plasma info for debian |
| 14:47.44 | topi` | what would be a good way of providing "customized" /etc files, like /etc/fstab or /etc/resolv.conf in a .deb form? as far as I know, if those files belong to some installed pkg, you cannot overwrite those files |
| 14:48.02 | shtrb|laptop | *debian-kde , and the good guys do lot of good work and bring the stuff into debian |
| 14:48.28 | topi` | or, let's say, /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf |
| 14:48.31 | jelly | topi`: "don't" and possibly "use a configuration management system instead" |
| 14:48.58 | shtrb|laptop | topi` , you can use diverts but why would you do it ? |
| 14:49.24 | jelly | shtrb|laptop: diverts behaviour on conffiles is not defined |
| 14:49.25 | shtrb|laptop | maybe there is a simpler way |
| 14:49.25 | topi` | because we need to provide a customized /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf |
| 14:49.30 | BluesKaj | shtrb|laptop, is debian-kde on oftc as well? |
| 14:49.36 | shtrb|laptop | yes |
| 14:50.13 | topi` | jelly: what would be a useful configuration management system for a base debian install? (we're talking IoT here, no desktop stuff) |
| 14:50.27 | shtrb|laptop | topi` , If my memory does not betray me you have a folder where you could put extra settings for dhcpd |
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| 14:51.11 | jelly | topi`: no idea really. There are dozens of those... salt, chef, puppet, propellor?!? |
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| 14:51.32 | jelly | maybe just etckeeper and a git repo of your own? |
| 14:51.44 | jelly | ansible? |
| 14:52.03 | topi` | shtrb|laptop: maybe not but I noticed that dhcpd can be given a different -cf file at startup. So maybe I just modify the .service file |
| 14:52.19 | topi` | etckeeper sounds good :) |
| 14:52.46 | jelly | really depends on how many machines you plan to manage and how similar they are |
| 14:52.47 | shtrb|laptop | yes , but beware of touching it if your users relay on dhclient for location awre settings |
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| 14:53.46 | shtrb|laptop | you can screw their geopositioning (braking E911 / 112) |
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| 14:55.04 | TwistedFate | I am trying to build libclc from git but it requires clang-3.9 and i have clang-4.0 installed. is there a way to go around this? |
| 14:55.10 | shtrb|laptop | *aware , breaking etc |
| 14:55.17 | topi` | what's the difference between *.service files in /etc/systemd/ and /lib/systemd/ ? |
| 14:55.35 | shtrb|laptop | topi` , symlinks and real files |
| 14:55.36 | greycat | A file in /etc/systemd/system/ overrides (completely) a file in /lib/systemd/system/ |
| 14:55.44 | shtrb|laptop | and overrides |
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| 14:56.17 | greycat | A snippet in /etc/systemd/system/foo.service.d/*.conf overrides a single setting of a file in /lib/systemd/system/ |
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| 15:01.13 | TomG2 | also SystemD is wicked software |
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| 15:04.23 | topi` | TomG2: agreed, systemd is a bit wicked, but it fits our team's needs better than anything else |
| 15:04.45 | shtrb|laptop | which team ? |
| 15:04.53 | jelly | wicked is a good thing right? |
| 15:05.08 | teraflops | idk I need moar context |
| 15:05.14 | shtrb|laptop | soryy , I missed the"our" part |
| 15:05.25 | topi` | shtrb|laptop: I work for money :D |
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| 15:05.39 | topi` | we deploy systems based on debian |
| 15:05.41 | TomG2 | i don't want to create an argument (want to talk in #debian-offtopic?) but i guess i was just trying to stand up for what i think is right |
| 15:05.49 | shtrb|laptop | topi` , as we all do , systemd caused me to loose money (waste time) sometimes so there is that |
| 15:06.22 | jelly | yeah, you have to learn NEW THINGS |
| 15:06.22 | topi` | shtrb|laptop: also my work mate has some negative sentiments about systemd, and it takes a lot of time to convince him :) |
| 15:06.28 | TomG2 | it seems wrong and not the Linux spirit to see people talk about it and have to mention it |
| 15:06.50 | shtrb|laptop | as I said , I missed that you said it suite your team |
| 15:07.13 | topi` | my only gripe with systemd actually is the fact that it's become fairly complex. I only need the same set of features that e.g. Upstart had in its heyday |
| 15:07.41 | petn-randall | topi`: You can always just use the basics. |
| 15:07.45 | topi` | luckily Debian takes a bit conservative approach and we get the "older" version with "less" bleeding edge featuers |
| 15:07.50 | shtrb|laptop | jelly , yes , but it was related to brakage on older versions which made me loose time to gain almost the same stuff as before |
| 15:07.54 | greycat | As long as Debian keeps the ridiculous extensions (systemd-networkd?! really?!) off by default, I'm good. |
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| 15:08.11 | topi` | agreed |
| 15:08.27 | TomG2 | try runit or GNU Shepherd or some other service managing software http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Init#Service_managers ? |
| 15:08.28 | petn-randall | topi`: The systemd team has created a large set of tools that replaces standard Linux tools, but they're mostly geared towards embedded systemd, like nspawn, timesyncd, and networkd. |
| 15:08.52 | topi` | TomG2: I trust CGroups more than "runit" or "monit" :) |
| 15:09.19 | koris | I don't like systemd either but for now I use it until something like devuan's stretch hits stable |
| 15:09.28 | koris | that's a ways away |
| 15:09.34 | AtheroS__ | hello, i try to configure a headless encrypted machine to be unlockable via LAN/WLAN, but the "tutorials" aren't working |
| 15:09.42 | AtheroS__ | it uses LUKS |
| 15:09.43 | topi` | also, when it comes to old sysv ways, keeping track of processes by clinging to their PIDs is really really problematic - since the PIDs overwrap at 64K |
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| 15:10.18 | greycat | Yeah, nobody is advocating sysvinit being *good*. |
| 15:10.33 | glurp | Does anyone know the freaking systemd service which controls port 111? |
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| 15:10.41 | TomG2 | auth? |
| 15:10.42 | AtheroS__ | can someone help me ? i know i need dhcp server for wlan and dhcp client for lan and hostapd, all of this in initramfs |
| 15:10.54 | TomG2 | portmapper. sunrpc |
| 15:10.59 | jelly | glurp: it's not systemd. It's either rpcbind or portmap, depending on debian release |
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| 15:11.35 | jelly | glurp: use lsof, or ss, or netstat to find out which process is LISTEN ing on a port |
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| 15:12.02 | glurp | looks like rpcbind got it |
| 15:12.04 | topi` | glurp: try "netstat -apn | grep 111" to see who uses port 111 |
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| 15:12.26 | glurp | topi` it wasn't listed for some reason, which is why I asked |
| 15:13.00 | glurp | I've been having issues with systemd default boot scripts for years and somehow I guess rpcbind snuck in there |
| 15:13.00 | topi` | why is portmap even needed nowadays? ah, maybe nfsd needs it |
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| 15:13.30 | topi` | perhaps nfs could be replaced with network block devices? like nbd |
| 15:13.39 | greycat | This is the first time I'm hearing about GNU Shepherd. Looks ... like someone decided to rewrite systemd from the ground up and skip the ridiculous intrusive crap. And to use Guile for some reason. |
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| 15:14.18 | glurp | I always get this error when I try to disable services: insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `rpcbind' overrides LSB defaults (S). |
| 15:14.28 | glurp | I've tried pretty much all the googleable answers |
| 15:14.38 | glurp | even messed with the rc scripts at one point |
| 15:14.49 | glurp | but some services refuse to be disabled |
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| 15:14.54 | sharp15 | anyone know if it is possible to install debian gentoo style from with-in something like SystemRescueCD? i'm just curious. |
| 15:14.54 | topi` | Guile..? that's something Scheme-like, right? |
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| 15:15.11 | contrapunctus | It's a Scheme implementation. |
| 15:15.28 | contrapunctus | It also has...Emacs Lisp and JavaScript frontends. |
| 15:15.33 | topi` | if they wanted a wider audience, they could have gone with python like the rest of us :) |
| 15:16.06 | contrapunctus | topi`: Guile was supposed to be the extension language of the GNU project, or something. |
| 15:16.39 | jelly | greycat: I toyed with the idea of extending s6 (itself a clone and superset of daemontools) to be able to parse and use 80% of systemd units |
| 15:17.09 | jelly | but not worth my time |
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| 15:19.11 | colo-work | sharp15, debootstrap can help you do that |
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| 15:22.09 | sharp15 | colo-work: thanks. |
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| 15:22.48 | colo-work | systemd is what we got. I think it's best to just accept that. |
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| 15:23.02 | colo-work | (I'm not particularly unhappy with the result so far) |
| 15:23.34 | hanasaki | in gnome... how do you add a shortcut to the dock for an app that is found in the filesystem using the fileexplorer? |
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| 15:24.55 | sharp15 | colo-work: was the systemd comment directed at me? |
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| 15:25.27 | colo-work | sharp15, no :) just thrown into the channel for public consumption, because of the earlier conversation having taken place |
| 15:25.51 | sharp15 | colo-work: ok. i was in channel yet. thanks for the clarification. |
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| 15:27.42 | dcpc007 | Hi, on debian7, with apache, why do i have many application log lines in the syslog ? i don't change many things from default config |
| 15:28.09 | dcpc007 | i have a logcheck on this log and then it spam me with all those application informations .... heavy |
| 15:29.04 | jelly | dcpc007: figure out which services are generating those, and address it by reconfiguring or removing those services. |
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| 15:29.45 | jelly | dcpc007: or add logcheck ignore definitions for the stuff you're not interested in |
| 15:29.59 | jelly | logcheck rules are not perfect |
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| 15:30.35 | dcpc007 | we have only one php/web site |
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| 15:31.21 | dcpc007 | not many apache server here, a long timle i don't check a lot apache conf |
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| 15:32.09 | dcpc007 | for speciic internal logs i ask dev to send custom logs via php_log to a local0 that i intercept in rsyslog.conf to put in a specific log. |
| 15:32.31 | dcpc007 | i think there should not have details of web site actions in the /var/log/syslog |
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| 15:32.55 | jelly | apache does not log to syslog. Other stuff does. |
| 15:32.56 | the_sniff | Hi, I'm getting this error on debian 8.7 (wasnt on 7) https://pastebin.com/s26NKt92 anyone has any idea? source is ext4 target is cifs |
| 15:34.23 | jelly | dcpc007: so you have custom source, doing syslog to custom facility? Configure syslog NOT to log that facility to the catch-all files. |
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| 15:35.04 | dcpc007 | hum ... i'll ask to dev what they do |
| 15:36.09 | dcpc007 | correction, on those new ssevreurs, no rsyslog specific redirect .... |
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| 15:36.19 | dcpc007 | i check on the old one |
| 15:36.34 | jelly | dcpc007: you already know they log to local0.* somewhere, so stop logging local0.* to /var/log/syslog, /var/log/messages, and wherever you have *.something logging to |
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| 15:37.26 | jelly | dcpc007: eg. if you have *.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog like in default rsyslog, replace it with *.*;auth,authpriv,local0.none |
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| 15:38.08 | dcpc007 | grrrmmmblblb dev have finish work ... gone |
| 15:38.31 | jelly | the_sniff: you can't make a hardlink on a different mountpoint. |
| 15:38.51 | caraconan | Hi there. Having issues with my Lenovo Thinkpad 13 because of too slow trackpoint. Very interesting info here: https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/4jku4c/configuring_trackpoint_on_thinkpad_13/. Somebody here experiencing same issue and resolving it without having to remove xserver-xorg-input-libinput as proposed in the link? Thanks |
| 15:38.58 | jelly | the_sniff: which specific command is doing that? |
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| 15:39.31 | the_sniff | jelly, why not? doing ln manually works. I have no idea which command does it because I can't find the run logs for backuppc in it's dirs |
| 15:39.46 | dcpc007 | yeah find something, line in rsyslog.conf with ",local0.none" was commented and default line back !!!! |
| 15:40.17 | dcpc007 | i fix it (and after fidn something heavy to throw on someone :) ) |
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| 15:42.13 | dcpc007 | precision ! i put a rsyslog.d/appli.conf block file |
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| 15:42.53 | jelly | the_sniff: doing ln from oue mountpoint to another does not, or should not, work |
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| 15:43.01 | dcpc007 | i configure all specific logs with filters, and at the end i found something which should prevnt data to go in other logs : |
| 15:43.01 | dcpc007 | local0.* ~ |
| 15:43.21 | jelly | dcpc007: where do you configure this? |
| 15:43.38 | dcpc007 | in /etc/rsyslog.d/appli.conf |
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| 15:43.48 | jelly | dcpc007: and when is that read? |
| 15:44.17 | dcpc007 | which is parsed via the $IncludeConfig /etc/rsyslog.conf/*.conf in /etc/rsyslog.conf, and this BEFORE the default RULES block |
| 15:44.46 | jelly | dcpc007: alright, so it doesn't work, or the logs are not matched by local0.* |
| 15:44.53 | dcpc007 | if i remember i read that this file is parsed line by line in order (then include files before the default rules) |
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| 15:45.16 | dcpc007 | i'll try to see if i find duplicated line in specific logs and syslog |
| 15:45.19 | jelly | yes, order matters, that's why the include is before all the outputs in /etc/rsyslog.conf, that's ok |
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| 15:45.33 | dcpc007 | 10 min before i ust go :-( |
| 15:45.49 | the_sniff | jelly why does backuppc try it if it shouldnt work? |
| 15:46.03 | jelly | the_sniff: can you show your mountpoints, and output and exit status of that manual ln? |
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| 15:46.44 | jelly | the_sniff: I have no idea what backupps tries, can you show which specific command or syscall fails to result in that message? |
| 15:47.11 | the_sniff | jelly the journalctl shows nothing about it |
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| 15:47.18 | the_sniff | and this is the only message from service control |
| 15:47.26 | the_sniff | i can't find a log for backuppc though |
| 15:48.34 | colo-work | the_sniff, those directories have to be on the same filesystem that also implements working hard links |
| 15:48.40 | colo-work | it's hot backuppc does deduplication |
| 15:48.45 | colo-work | it's how* |
| 15:48.56 | colo-work | unless you fix that preconidition, it will not work on your system |
| 15:49.04 | jelly | the_sniff: you'll have to ask someone who knows about backuppc. |
| 15:49.12 | jelly | sorry, not me |
| 15:49.31 | the_sniff | colo-work: i know that, but why does backuppc even try that? maybe i left some stuff in the config. i'll check. thanks |
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| 15:50.09 | colo-work | afaict, it's a pre-flight check if it can work at all. what's wrong/incompatible is (probably) how your filesystems are formatted and/or mounted on the machine running backuppc |
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| 15:50.18 | jelly | probably like asking "why does rsync -al make hardlinks" "because you told it to" |
| 15:50.26 | dcpc007 | ok found, they put in prod without add my trick in the appli.conf |
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| 15:50.42 | jelly | dcpc007: give them a slap |
| 15:50.53 | the_sniff | colo-work the exact same config and mount points are on a different server and its not acting up |
| 15:50.53 | jelly | and ask for beer as compensation |
| 15:50.54 | dcpc007 | jelly: then logs are filtered to specific log, and after, parse by default trules :(' |
| 15:51.00 | dcpc007 | ha i was ill :) |
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| 15:51.20 | the_sniff | colo-work the dir inside /var/ should'nt even exist, it should be on the same path as the mount point according to my config. but it's not. could it be a bug in the newer backuppc? |
| 15:51.25 | colo-work | the_sniff, *shrug* - does backuppc's service user have write access to that location? |
| 15:51.30 | jelly | dcpc007: so they already owe you that beer! |
| 15:51.30 | dcpc007 | and nobody knows that i have an etckeeper on /etc to rember changes, even if we forget to write a doc :) |
| 15:51.33 | the_sniff | colo-work yes |
| 15:51.33 | sphalerite | Is there a name for the general text-based file format that debian-related tools use? The one with the fields, separated by newlines, which consist of the field name and its value, etc.. And I seem to remember there being tools for working with that format, but where were they? |
| 15:51.45 | dcpc007 | etdckeeper save me so often |
| 15:51.48 | colo-work | we're still running out backuppc host on wheezy, so I would not know, sorry |
| 15:51.50 | dcpc007 | etckeepe |
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| 15:52.10 | the_sniff | colo-work thanks |
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| 15:58.42 | TheDillon__ | Still here BluesKaj? |
| 15:58.57 | BluesKaj | TheDillon__, yup |
| 15:59.42 | TheDillon__ | BluesKaj: Installation Step Failed - You can try to run the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else. The failing step is: Select and install software |
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| 16:00.54 | BluesKaj | TheDillon__, is that wher you choose your desktop environment? |
| 16:01.05 | TheDillon__ | BluesKaj: Yup |
| 16:01.45 | the_sniff | found my culprit, my cifs share doesnt let regular users access it |
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| 16:02.55 | jelly | dcpc007: how many client systems and files are you backing up to that |
| 16:03.21 | sphalerite | Found what I was looking for, dctrl-tools |
| 16:03.43 | dcpc007 | jelly: backing ? |
| 16:03.54 | BluesKaj | TheDillon__, what did you choose in the list, for example print server can be omitted if you don't have aprinter coonected to that pc |
| 16:03.55 | dcpc007 | it's like creating a git repo :) |
| 16:04.02 | dcpc007 | far much better than backup |
| 16:04.13 | dcpc007 | i have history of all modifications on the files in /etc |
| 16:04.14 | TheDillon__ | BluesKaj: Aside from the defaults, I went with Cinnamon |
| 16:04.28 | dcpc007 | and can comment them for "why do i modify it" |
| 16:04.42 | dcpc007 | and show diff, create a patch to reapply, .... |
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| 16:05.14 | BluesKaj | TheDillon__, the default desktop is gnome, so i hope you omitted it |
| 16:05.16 | dcpc007 | configuration works only for /etc, but one day think to try add other PATH |
| 16:05.43 | TheDillon__ | BluesKaj: Oh no, I didn't. I take it I should only have one desktop selected. |
| 16:06.05 | BluesKaj | TheDillon__, I assume only one , yes |
| 16:06.10 | dcpc007 | thx, ihave to got |
| 16:06.11 | dcpc007 | go |
| 16:06.16 | TheDillon__ | BluesKaj: Ill try that out. Thanks man! |
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| 16:06.26 | BluesKaj | TheDillon__, np |
| 16:06.56 | BluesKaj | TheDillon__, don't forget the spacebar is used to navigate |
| 16:06.59 | the_sniff | colo-work it was an acccess issue, thanks! also i needed to create the dirs manually for some reason |
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| 16:09.56 | jelly | dcpc007: not etckeeper, backuppc, and it meant to ask colo-work, sorry |
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| 16:10.06 | jelly | s/it/I/; |
| 16:10.25 | jelly | colo-work: how many client systems and files are you backing up w/ backuppc |
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| 16:12.01 | c00kie | hello? |
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| 16:12.12 | c00kie | anyone here? |
| 16:12.48 | sphalerite | no |
| 16:12.52 | c00kie | xD |
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| 16:12.59 | c00kie | how r u? |
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| 16:13.11 | sphalerite | Only 1698 people |
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| 16:15.30 | TomG2 | i guess you can try #debian-offtopic, c00kie, if you want to try general chat |
| 16:15.49 | petn-randall | !chat |
| 16:15.50 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:16.30 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 16:16.30 | dpkg | <overclocker> hi, i'n using x3270 to connect to a sco server, everithing works fine except the function keys, ideas? <asg> overclocker: do you have a license for the function keys? <overclocker> i just want to use the F-keys of my keyboard when i connect to the sco server, do i need a licence to do that? |
| 16:19.05 | shtrb|laptop | Any sonicwall users around, and can say if they had been able to use standard ppp commands instead of the closed source SSLVPN ? |
| 16:19.25 | shtrb|laptop | not ipsec , the adjusted ppp client |
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| 16:42.38 | pie3 | how do you syncronize content/aceess content when you are away? |
| 16:43.02 | greycat | Usually by putting it on a public Internet machine (web host, VPS). |
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| 16:43.31 | greycat | Or if you have fairly reliable home electricity/internet, you can expose some services to the internet from your home computer. |
| 16:43.47 | shtrb|laptop | I oncd used a tracker but now switch to webdav folders (works out of the box) inside a vpn |
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| 16:44.32 | shtrb|laptop | pie3 , you can take a small pi that will run openvpn + webdav interface to share files |
| 16:44.33 | pie3 | shtrb|laptop: what is webdav? |
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| 16:44.53 | pie3 | openvpn is free? shtrb|laptop |
| 16:44.54 | shtrb|laptop | a protocol to tranfer data |
| 16:44.56 | shtrb|laptop | yes |
| 16:45.05 | pie3 | why pi is required? cant i install it on my laptop? |
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| 16:45.11 | greycat | !openvpn |
| 16:45.12 | dpkg | OpenVPN is a <VPN> daemon, which can securely tunnel IP networks over one UDP or TCP port. Packaged for Debian, provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to <interfaces>. Add "script-security 2" in configuration files for use of external commands. Debian 8 "Jessie" users: see https://bugs.debian.org/785200 (fixed at openvpn 2.3.4-5+deb8u1, ask me about <spu>). https://openvpn.net/ #openvpn on irc.freenode.net. See also <easy-rsa>. |
| 16:45.15 | pie3 | oh more power consumption; is that the reason? |
| 16:45.19 | shtrb|laptop | you can , but you usually take your laptop with you |
| 16:45.35 | pie3 | my laptop lies at home shtrb|laptop |
| 16:45.38 | contrapunctus | pie3: I don't think laptops are supposed to be run for days or months on end either |
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| 16:45.52 | pie3 | ok contrapunctus got your point |
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| 16:46.05 | pie3 | i have rpi3 |
| 16:46.14 | shtrb|laptop | it will work like a charm |
| 16:46.14 | pie3 | so that seems the most wonderful use of it |
| 16:46.22 | shtrb|laptop | one of many |
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| 16:46.32 | pie3 | what are other wonderful use you like for rpi? |
| 16:46.43 | contrapunctus | XMPP server :> |
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| 16:46.55 | pie3 | is it for running website? contrapunctus |
| 16:47.02 | pie3 | i dont have any website yet |
| 16:47.06 | greycat | You should probably be asking #raspbian. |
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| 16:47.13 | shtrb|laptop | I had it to provide owncloud + vpn + email server |
| 16:47.24 | shtrb|laptop | I think you can install debian on rpi3 |
| 16:47.25 | contrapunctus | pie3: XMPP is an open chat protocol. |
| 16:47.40 | pie3 | i feel matrix is better contrapunctus |
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| 16:47.42 | shtrb|laptop | pie3 , you can have your own dns server :) |
| 16:47.46 | johnfg | Hi folks |
| 16:47.52 | pie3 | but why xmpp server is needed? contrapunctus |
| 16:47.55 | shtrb|laptop | bind9 works ~ok on rpi |
| 16:48.04 | pie3 | when one will have facebook/whatsapp/linkedin/gmail access? |
| 16:48.05 | contrapunctus | with many open source clients, also purported to be (formerly?) used in WhatsApp, FB Messenger, GTalk |
| 16:48.09 | shtrb|laptop | if you like to provdide chat to your uses |
| 16:48.12 | greycat | I would not install bind9 if I'm setting up a new DNS server. |
| 16:48.12 | johnfg | Anyone else have a problem getting firefox to start on stretch/xfce4? |
| 16:48.38 | shtrb|laptop | greycat , but bind9 is so easy to setup |
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| 16:48.43 | greycat | *snort* |
| 16:48.52 | shtrb|laptop | ? |
| 16:48.55 | greycat | Funny. |
| 16:49.00 | johnfg | Also, using openldap for user information, what should I have selected in the auth-pam-update dialog? |
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| 16:49.06 | greycat | That's like saying sendmail is easy to set up. |
| 16:49.11 | contrapunctus | pie3: well, if you want control of your data, using XMPP or Matrix is better than relying on proprietary software and commercial data-mining silos. |
| 16:49.16 | greycat | Or Apache. |
| 16:49.19 | shtrb|laptop | ok , my standards are low , but bind9 is really easy to setup |
| 16:49.22 | shtrb|laptop | and apache |
| 16:49.29 | greycat | That means you've never tried anything else. |
| 16:49.30 | contrapunctus | (and running your own server is best of all, if you have the know-how and do it well) |
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| 16:51.15 | shtrb|laptop | greycat , or that I'm used to it and in comparison to other tools it's easy to setup |
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| 16:51.29 | greycat | Stockholm syndrome. ;-) |
| 16:51.30 | Owner | hello, i dont know my root password |
| 16:51.37 | greycat | !i forgot root's password |
| 16:51.37 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 16:51.40 | Owner | system boots fine, but kernel panics when i try init=/bin/sh |
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| 16:53.00 | Owner | oh, you put it at the very end of grub...i was putting it at the end of the kernel line |
| 16:53.29 | Owner | ah it didtn work |
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| 16:53.36 | Owner | just went to password prompt |
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| 16:54.04 | shtrb|laptop | greycat , maybe you are correct |
| 16:54.05 | TwistedFate | I am using 64bit OS, how can I make dpkg-buildpackage to build i386 architecture too? |
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| 16:54.55 | TwistedFate | i tried using dpkg-buildpackage --target-arch=i386 -us -uc but it gave me amd64.deb again |
| 16:56.32 | greycat | TwistedFate: if nobody replies here, you might get better help in #debian-mentors on OFTC (not Freenode) |
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| 17:01.03 | TomG2 | maybe you're better off with chroot |
| 17:02.20 | greycat | You mean an entire debootstrap'ed i386 Debian installation inside a chroot on an amd64 system? |
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| 17:03.22 | TomG2 | that's what the web pages seem to be suggesting |
| 17:03.32 | greycat | That sounds like it would work, but I've never tried. |
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| 17:12.57 | TomG2 | well i'm trying it now--i guess i'm just curious. i want to know |
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| 17:18.03 | TwistedFate | seems like i got into a dependency hell :( http://paste.debian.net/hidden/439b3293/ |
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| 17:25.51 | TomG2 | try apt-get remove libdrm-dev:i386 ? |
| 17:26.07 | TomG2 | wait you did |
| 17:26.33 | TomG2 | you can try removing libegl1-mesa-dev:i386 too |
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| 17:30.25 | LTCD | Hey. I have Windows 10 and Mint dualbooted. I want to remove Mint and install Debian instead. Is this possible, I would rather not have to format whole computer to do it? |
| 17:30.47 | Ryihne | you can install debian without the format |
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| 17:30.58 | Ryihne | just choose the mint partition while installing |
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| 17:31.33 | LTCD | Ryihne I do not see it sadly, it shows my HDD and the USB memory stick |
| 17:32.00 | Ryihne | oh,so you don't access the mint from grub? |
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| 17:32.43 | LTCD | Ryihne I do use Grub. Maybe I quit the installation early out of fear? |
| 17:32.54 | Dreaman | LTCD just format root may be boot swap not and install debian |
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| 17:33.14 | Dreaman | use net install unetbootin |
| 17:33.22 | altyr | Dreaman: no. |
| 17:33.25 | Dreaman | not cd dvd or usb |
| 17:33.31 | altyr | no unetbootin |
| 17:33.35 | Ryihne | he already has the live cd Dreaman |
| 17:33.40 | Ryihne | isn't it so LTCD |
| 17:33.43 | LTCD | Mint sadly is broken, does not connect to internet. I am using a live USB. |
| 17:33.48 | shtrb|laptop | pie3 , I will need to logout soon , so you can ask around here about openvpn , guacamole (https://guacamole.incubator.apache.org/), tomcat ,apache |
| 17:34.02 | LTCD | Ryihne I am using live USB unetbootin. |
| 17:34.33 | Ryihne | did it atleast reach a window displaying all the partitions? |
| 17:34.38 | Dreaman | mint part is |
| 17:34.55 | Dreaman | gb boot root swap |
| 17:34.56 | Dreaman | is |
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| 17:35.32 | LTCD | Ryihne Do you have Whatsapp or snapchat? Sadly I only have one computer so I can't talk to you while I do it. I got to the screen where it said Manual, format and encrypt can't rememebr exactly. |
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| 17:36.50 | chatter29 | hey guys |
| 17:36.53 | chatter29 | allah is doing |
| 17:37.00 | chatter29 | sun is not doing allah is doing |
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| 17:37.04 | chatter29 | to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger |
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| 17:37.33 | NoxiousPluK | I'm feeling very enlightened |
| 17:38.16 | LTCD | Ryihne If I log into this IRC channel from another computer do you mind checking on me as I go along? I'd rather not accidentally format everything. |
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| 17:38.49 | Dreaman | http://paste.ubuntu.com/24593916/ LTCD my system dual boot 10 an ubuntu |
| 17:39.48 | LTCD | Dreamman and Ryihne I was using graphical install. |
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| 17:40.45 | Dreaman | i use win unetbooting and net install dos |
| 17:41.01 | Dreaman | not graphical |
| 17:41.51 | LTCD | Dreaman I have Windows 10 and Linux Mint installed, would you walk me through the process of formatting Mint and installing Debian> |
| 17:41.54 | LTCD | ?* |
| 17:42.07 | Dreaman | no |
| 17:42.27 | Dreaman | i4 os ubuntu debian fedora win |
| 17:42.33 | Dreaman | is not good idea |
| 17:42.43 | pie3 | so how many of use xmpp server? |
| 17:42.46 | Dreaman | i use 2 |
| 17:42.48 | pie3 | how many of you |
| 17:42.53 | pie3 | 2 why? |
| 17:42.56 | pie3 | one is not sufficinet? |
| 17:42.56 | LTCD | Dreamman I just want Windows10 and Debian. |
| 17:43.03 | Dreaman | ok |
| 17:43.08 | Dreaman | sam like me |
| 17:43.16 | Dreaman | but i uuse ubuntu and 10 |
| 17:43.23 | Dreaman | same install |
| 17:43.33 | Dreaman | ubuntu is deb |
| 17:43.37 | LTCD | Dreaman I'll BRB let me swap computers. |
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| 17:44.02 | Dreaman | ram is |
| 17:44.06 | Dreaman | my is 4 gb |
| 17:44.15 | Dreaman | and swap is 8gb |
| 17:44.35 | Dreaman | win is 4 gb normal is 1.4 |
| 17:44.41 | Dreaman | but i use 4 |
| 17:45.03 | Dreaman | 2 hdd 750 is win 250 is linux |
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| 17:45.19 | Dreaman | boot part is 600mb swap nad root |
| 17:45.20 | LTCD | Back Dreaman |
| 17:45.38 | Dreaman | ok |
| 17:46.08 | LTCD | Dreaman I'll go into installation now on my other laptop. |
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| 17:46.30 | Dreaman | i use laptop |
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| 17:46.34 | Dreaman | this is my pc |
| 17:46.41 | Dreaman | laptop is ssd |
| 17:46.45 | Dreaman | win 10 |
| 17:46.54 | Dreaman | 1 tb normal hdd |
| 17:47.03 | Dreaman | 100 gb is my linux |
| 17:47.17 | Dreaman | smae thing but swap is 10 gb |
| 17:47.29 | Dreaman | is new in 8 gb normal ram |
| 17:49.12 | LTCD | Dreaman What should I use - install or graphical? |
| 17:49.55 | Dreaman | dos |
| 17:50.05 | Dreaman | not graphical |
| 17:50.08 | Dreaman | net install |
| 17:50.31 | Dreaman | and no old pc try testing old stable |
| 17:50.40 | LTCD | I don't have graphical sorry |
| 17:50.49 | LTCD | bro |
| 17:50.57 | LTCD | I do not know what "dos" means sorry. |
| 17:51.06 | Dreaman | normal |
| 17:51.11 | LTCD | o.O |
| 17:51.16 | Dreaman | for me |
| 17:51.35 | LTCD | It's not net install for me |
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| 17:53.54 | CrackerJack | https://paste.ubuntu.com/24593976/ LTCD my laptop |
| 17:53.59 | Dreaman | :) |
| 17:54.41 | pie3 | do you use exim email? or any other equivalent? |
| 17:55.20 | LTCD | CrackerJack What are you trying to show? |
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| 17:56.05 | Dreaman | my hdd parts and boot dual |
| 17:56.20 | Dreaman | is easy |
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| 17:57.49 | LTCD | I'm not saying dual booting is hard guys, I just don't get why it doesn't display Windows and Mint as two different things. |
| 17:58.03 | LTCD | What should I do: Guided or Manual? |
| 17:58.41 | greycat | !mint |
| 17:58.41 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 17:59.23 | altyr | greycat: they're trying to install debian over it, so that should count |
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| 17:59.28 | LTCD | greycat I am formatting over it. |
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| 17:59.45 | LTCD | Guys something weird happened - this time it shows the partitions, sorry maybe it was all a glitch :/ |
| 18:01.02 | TomG2 | cool :) |
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| 18:20.17 | pie3 | exim has no use if i dont have personal domain? |
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| 18:21.26 | jolt | pie3: It's used for internal mails as well |
| 18:21.40 | jolt | pie3: and general MTA work, like delivering local mails to an external address |
| 18:21.59 | JPT | email is based on DNS |
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| 18:22.23 | JPT | You can probably configure exim to use an existing mail account from yahoo or whatever. |
| 18:22.25 | pie3 | jolt: does it add any value for internet emails? |
| 18:22.34 | JPT | But that's for submission only |
| 18:22.45 | pie3 | i mean is it worth if i use only internet emails |
| 18:22.55 | pie3 | JPT: |
| 18:23.00 | jolt | pie3: If you have server X, and want system emails deliviered to your someuser@gmail.com, then yes, exim will do the handling of that (if configured correctly) |
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| 18:23.22 | jolt | pie3: But it's not mandatory, and there are other alternatives. But it's an ok default |
| 18:23.31 | JPT | If you want to get into setting up a full mail server, you will need an own domain. |
| 18:23.57 | JPT | This will take a lot of time and patience. Email is a hell of a stack of software and concepts |
| 18:24.14 | JPT | exim is just one of the most common building blocks: an MTA |
| 18:24.24 | pie3 | jolt: whcih are other alternatives? |
| 18:24.27 | JPT | All it can provide is smtp |
| 18:24.27 | pie3 | tell me few |
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| 18:26.03 | jolt | pie3: apt search "mail transfer agent" |
| 18:26.19 | pie3 | what is server x? jolt how to configure it? what is its benefit? |
| 18:26.52 | pie3 | really that is quite long list |
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| 18:27.14 | pie3 | so people must be using any one of them? |
| 18:27.23 | pie3 | usually |
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| 18:28.00 | jolt | pie3: That is not my job to help you with. Search for MTA, or how to configure exim if you wish. There are endless guides out there, but writing each step here isn't something I would do. |
| 18:28.26 | pie3 | ok |
| 18:28.28 | jolt | pie3: Most people that wants to forward email from their servers uses exim or postfix (I would guess) |
| 18:28.55 | pie3 | server=gmail/yahoomail? |
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| 18:29.02 | pie3 | forward to their database? |
| 18:29.04 | pie3 | for storage? |
| 18:32.08 | jolt | pie3: Sorry. But without a clear question I cant help you. |
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| 18:40.03 | DammitJim | what should I use to restart connman after my laptop gets waken up from standby? |
| 18:40.13 | DammitJim | I close the lid to my laptop and it goes into standby |
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| 18:40.38 | DammitJim | then when I open up the lid and things get "restored," the WiFi doesn't try to re-connect |
| 18:40.48 | teraflops | ideally you should not need to run anything I think |
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| 18:44.22 | jolt | DammitJim: worst case you might be able to do something with acpi. I used that to handle dock/redock events on my previous thinkpad |
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| 18:45.25 | jolt | DammitJim: Not sure if you run something like powertop for batterylife, but I think that has hooks for stuff like that as well |
| 18:45.33 | jolt | Don't remember what I ran on it unfortunately |
| 18:45.54 | jolt | tlp maybe |
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| 18:54.10 | Tactical_Chicken | hello |
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| 18:56.00 | vlt | Hi |
| 18:56.32 | Tactical_Chicken | If I run a business and was to sell Debian live usb drives and ONLY charged for the drive itself and NOT Debian.....is that an infringement/allowed? |
| 18:56.53 | DammitJim | thanks jolt |
| 18:56.57 | DammitJim | I'll look into that |
| 18:57.19 | jolt | DammitJim: Sorry I don't have anything more firm than that to give you |
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| 18:58.47 | DammitJim | it's all good |
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| 19:01.00 | teraflops | DammitJim: archwiki has good info about it |
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| 19:11.18 | AtheroS__ | hello, i have a headless encrypted debian armhf machine, and i want to unlock it remotely via LAN/WLAN. i know i need dhcp server/client and hostapd in initramfs, but how can i make this ? i tried many tutorials, they aren't working, i can't see the machine on the network |
| 19:11.27 | AtheroS__ | can someone help me please ? |
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| 19:18.12 | MolluskEmpire | Alright, Wicd continues to fail at Validating authentication. Networks show but it continuously fails to connect. Does anyone know what may be the issue or a workaround? I have restarted the router and can connect to it fine wirelessly on other devices as well as direct wired on this device. |
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| 19:21.25 | vlt | AtheroS__: Encrypted on which level? |
| 19:21.57 | AtheroS__ | encrypted rootfs with LUKS |
| 19:22.07 | AtheroS__ | initramfs isn't encrypted |
| 19:22.46 | AtheroS__ | it gets the key from the user and puts into ram to dencrypt/encrypt the data from/to the rootfs |
| 19:23.09 | AtheroS__ | i want to give the key for the initramfs via LAN/WLAN |
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| 19:25.43 | JPT | AtheroS__: Why do you think that this solution is safe enough for your requirements? |
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| 19:26.16 | JPT | I could just pass by, plug my laptop into your network and get the key myself |
| 19:26.22 | Tactical_Chicken | ....and Bingo was his Name-OH !!!!! |
| 19:26.59 | AtheroS__ | is this a Q/A ? i just want to solve the problem technically - and wpa2 and ssh are secure |
| 19:27.20 | JPT | Just want to point out that the solution is not 100% waterproof |
| 19:27.30 | AtheroS__ | why ? |
| 19:27.34 | AtheroS__ | ssh uses rsa |
| 19:27.45 | rpd_ | AtheroS__: https://www.offensive-security.com/kali-linux/raspberry-pi-luks-disk-encryption/ |
| 19:27.51 | Tactical_Chicken | success: It is in Settings/Advanced ....then just change the Autojoin delay |
| 19:28.15 | JPT | So the machine has an ssh key and a wpa key in order to fetch the luks encryption key from the network? |
| 19:28.57 | AtheroS__ | i login via ssh on the wifi and i type the password |
| 19:29.07 | JPT | oh |
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| 19:29.23 | rpd_ | JPT: initramfs's init runs dropbear, user logs in and does luksOpen |
| 19:29.37 | AtheroS__ | and the kali tutorial doesn't works |
| 19:29.41 | JPT | so you want the initramfs to join the wifi (needs a locally stored key that is not encrypted) to be able to ssh in and unlock the disk |
| 19:29.43 | AtheroS__ | i tried it already |
| 19:29.53 | JPT | that might be a bit better than what i imagined |
| 19:30.08 | AtheroS__ | no - initramfs will run hostapd |
| 19:30.18 | AtheroS__ | i connect with a wpa2 client |
| 19:30.27 | JPT | aaah |
| 19:30.30 | JPT | okay. |
| 19:30.46 | JPT | all of those things were not clear to me when you described it first :) |
| 19:30.53 | JPT | i aprove |
| 19:31.02 | JPT | Not ideal, but certainly good enough |
| 19:31.33 | Tactical_Chicken | oh crap... I posted in the wrong channel...LOL...need more coffee |
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| 19:32.02 | AtheroS__ | but how can i do this ? i tried first ssh from lan but the dhcp client isn't working |
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| 19:32.55 | AtheroS__ | https://sowhatisthesolution.wordpress.com/2016/03/20/unlock-luks-via-ssh-in-debian/ -this doesn't works |
| 19:33.06 | AtheroS__ | its with dropbear and lan |
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| 19:33.54 | JPT | Why doesn't it work? What do the logs say? Do you get any errors? |
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| 19:34.05 | AtheroS__ | JPT: i cant see the machine on an nmap scan its not connected to the network |
| 19:34.05 | glaucom | hey all |
| 19:34.28 | AtheroS__ | JPT: the dhcp client doesn't works |
| 19:34.39 | JPT | I thought the machine would become an access point itself? |
| 19:35.06 | AtheroS__ | JPT: that will be the second thing |
| 19:35.25 | AtheroS__ | JPT: first i want to try to connect from lan and then hostapd |
| 19:36.01 | AtheroS__ | JPT: there aren't any tutorials for hostapd in initramfs |
| 19:36.21 | glaucom | lasted debian 8.8 no have drivers wifi ??? |
| 19:36.24 | AtheroS__ | first from lan with tutorials |
| 19:36.37 | AtheroS__ | but tutorials doesn't work |
| 19:37.06 | JPT | Well - i guess it might be a good idea to check the network configuration of your initramfs and maybe configure it that you get a local shell to debug a bit |
| 19:37.13 | glaucom | http://imgur.com/a/y9BUN |
| 19:37.36 | AtheroS__ | JPT: how can i get shell to the initramfs ? |
| 19:37.55 | JPT | I don't know yet - i would need to do research and try a lot of stuff |
| 19:38.03 | JPT | But that's what you probably need to do anyways. |
| 19:38.10 | JPT | There aren't tutorials for everything out there |
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| 19:39.05 | JPT | glaucom: Drivers yes, firmware - if you add non-free sources then probably yes, otherwise no due to license stuff or something like that |
| 19:39.58 | glaucom | ubuntu have ¬¬ |
| 19:40.16 | JPT | Maybe take a look at this site and check if what you're looking for is listed: https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 19:40.27 | JPT | Well, debian is not ubuntu |
| 19:40.36 | glaucom | lol |
| 19:40.43 | AtheroS__ | JPT: so you can't help ? |
| 19:40.46 | JPT | If you want ubuntu, get ubuntu |
| 19:41.25 | glaucom | no i no want ubuntu |
| 19:41.26 | JPT | AtheroS__: I'm sorry, but i never did such a thing before. Maybe you can find someone in here (or elsewhere) who knows more about building initramfs images - but i imagine that it should be possible to find good resources on the internet for that, too |
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| 19:44.57 | Tactical_Chicken | Debian really is where it is at.... |
| 19:45.09 | Tactical_Chicken | gives #Deb a hug |
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| 20:00.05 | doom_ster | hello |
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| 20:05.11 | jelly | oh, they left |
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| 20:12.44 | tables | how do i completely remove a package? |
| 20:12.55 | tables | with config files and everything |
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| 20:13.55 | adc | tables: `apt-get remove --purge <package>` |
| 20:14.08 | tables | is there anything stronger? |
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| 20:14.16 | tables | for removing packages and everything |
| 20:15.17 | RedAcor | wipe it |
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| 20:16.14 | humbot | purge doesn't always remove configs in ~ |
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| 20:16.31 | greycat | Files in ~ are not "config files" from dpkg's point of view. They're user files. |
| 20:16.35 | zykotick9 | s/doesn't always/never/ |
| 20:17.03 | adc | and they are presumably not created by dpkg in the first place? |
| 20:17.17 | greycat | Right. They'd be created by the software itself when a user runs it. |
| 20:17.37 | adc | yeah, so it would be difficult for dpkg to even now about the existence of them |
| 20:17.41 | zykotick9 | adc: tables <sidenote> 'apt-get purge <package>' is less characters to type... |
| 20:17.46 | greycat | Spamming a default config file into every existing user home directory upon pkg installation is Just Not How It's Done. |
| 20:17.59 | adc | zykotick9: thanks! |
| 20:18.00 | phogg | adc: the real danger is guessing wrong and nuking user data. |
| 20:18.13 | greycat | zykotick9: but is it less than dpkg --purge? |
| 20:18.59 | zykotick9 | greycat: interesting... i haven't typically used dpkg for package management, but i guess sometimes it has it's benefits. thanks. |
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| 20:22.33 | MolluskEmpire | Can anyone help me with a failing connection through Wicd? |
| 20:23.19 | CyrusYzGTt | sorry I use NM in debian stretch(testing).. |
| 20:23.34 | CyrusYzGTt | and never use wicd before |
| 20:24.47 | MolluskEmpire | Perhaps I should just use NM? Wicd came with my debian install. |
| 20:25.19 | TomG2 | not now, MolluskEmpire, but maybe if you hang around someone might be able to answer later |
| 20:25.58 | MolluskEmpire | Fair enough. |
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| 20:26.37 | zykotick9 | MolluskEmpire: probably. n-m is a bit more tested/used at this point... ymmv. i actually use wicd-curses personally, but the general consensus of #d "seems" to be, that n-m is a better choice. ymmv. also, providing more details - like what the problem is, might also help. |
| 20:27.05 | TomG2 | not as many people use WICD nowadays, and i've tried it, but it didn't work that great... although I'm "going" for it since I despise network-manager |
| 20:27.09 | TomG2 | -related software |
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| 20:28.09 | MolluskEmpire | Well, my wired connection functions just fine, it's how I'm on irc atm. However any wireless connection freezes at validating authentication. |
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| 20:28.35 | MolluskEmpire | Other devices seem fine, I've also attempted a staight reboot of my system corresponding with a reboot of the router. |
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| 20:30.03 | MolluskEmpire | (as an aside into n-m land, is there an lxcd front-end for it or must one use GNome/Plasma for a gui?) |
| 20:30.48 | MolluskEmpire | (err, LXDE*) |
| 20:31.05 | CyrusYzGTt | NM has nmcli for nogui and terminal |
| 20:31.16 | ee | Hello boyz. I'm running virt-manager / qemu-kvm / libvirt-bin for virtual machines, but I can't connect to internet if I use openvpn on the host. I'm using the std connection NAT for network. Anyone can help me setting up this? |
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| 20:32.37 | zykotick9 | MolluskEmpire: <only a "for testing purposes" suggestion> but https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line has instructions for connecting using terminal <- also N-M instructions on that page... best of luck. |
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| 20:34.04 | MolluskEmpire | zykotick9: Thank you, I'll start looking into that. |
| 20:34.07 | zykotick9 | ee: <suggestion only> you might want to try the #virt channel on the OFTC network for such a specialized question... |
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| 20:38.08 | ee | zykotick9: ok thanks, will try. |
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| 20:41.04 | CyrusYzGTt | https://developer.gnome.org/NetworkManager/stable/nmcli-examples.html |
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| 20:57.42 | backdrop | Do you still edit ip settings in /etc/network/interface ? |
| 20:58.13 | greycat | You can. Most people do, if they have experience with non-GUI environments. |
| 20:58.14 | backdrop | Or does systemD has it's own network manger |
| 20:58.24 | greycat | systemd-networkd is not used by default. |
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| 20:59.08 | greycat | Also, anything defined in /etc/network/interfaces is *not* managed by NetworkManager, if you happen to use NM. |
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| 20:59.25 | backdrop | I'm using networkd |
| 20:59.47 | greycat | Good luck with that. |
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| 21:00.56 | teraflops | backdrop: in systemd 215 networkd is a bit ewww |
| 21:01.11 | backdrop | I updated systemd to 237 |
| 21:01.25 | greycat | ,v systemd |
| 21:01.26 | judd | Package: systemd on amd64 -- wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u7; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; sid: 232-23; stretch: 232-23; experimental: 233-6 |
| 21:01.29 | greycat | ... |
| 21:01.44 | greycat | I don't think I can even consider this a Debian system any more. |
| 21:01.57 | teraflops | hehe |
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| 21:03.25 | backdrop | Any systemd version under 228 has exploit that can allow a remote user root access |
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| 21:04.21 | nath | morning all, dont' know if this the right channel for asking, but does anyone know which packet contains PenguinAttack font? or a way to find that out? |
| 21:04.28 | greycat | Now I suspect you're just spreading FUD. |
| 21:04.31 | altyr | backdrop: unless it was patched |
| 21:04.42 | altyr | assuming that vulnerability actually exist |
| 21:04.57 | teraflops | /e/n/i is fine. even NM since it has nmtui/nmcli |
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| 21:09.01 | backdrop | The name of the exploit is called CVE-2016-10156 |
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| 21:09.44 | altyr | backdrop: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-10156 |
| 21:09.48 | altyr | looks good |
| 21:09.56 | greycat | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-10156 |
| 21:10.05 | greycat | wow, ninjas |
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| 21:11.01 | altyr | greycat: witness my link-fu |
| 21:11.32 | teraflops | backdrop: you can like or dislike debian but its security team is fucking good |
| 21:11.51 | backdrop | i never said they where bad |
| 21:12.18 | teraflops | yeah just saying |
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| 21:21.17 | TomG2 | what if there's more security holes in systemd that we'll only find out about in the future? |
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| 21:22.03 | teraflops | What if... |
| 21:22.12 | at0m | there will always be holes. it's just a matter of who finds them first |
| 21:22.43 | TomG2 | were there any holes in sysvinit? |
| 21:23.17 | dontknow | top secret |
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| 21:23.52 | greycat | sysvinit *is* a hole |
| 21:24.25 | greycat | The entire design is driven by PID files which are inherently broken. Just wrap the PIDs around until you get the one in the file. |
| 21:25.03 | koollman | hmm... no. most sysvinit scripts used pid files. but that's not the design |
| 21:25.27 | greycat | If you ever plan to kill the daemon later, it is. |
| 21:25.35 | koollman | the base design is in inittab. and it's stupid enough to be hard to break :) |
| 21:25.51 | greycat | Oh, right, the inittab respawn part that nobody ever used. |
| 21:25.57 | greycat | But the init.d part is shit. |
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| 21:26.14 | backdrop | sysvinit was stable and simple and only had one function |
| 21:26.15 | koollman | I really miss my inittab :/ |
| 21:27.04 | teraflops | i like runit |
| 21:27.11 | backdrop | upstart |
| 21:27.48 | koollman | greycat: and, yeah, many init.d scripts are bad. But they do not really have to be. one could make a different rc.sysinit |
| 21:28.40 | backdrop | the guy who made systemd also made pulse audio |
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| 21:30.31 | TyrfingMjolnir | How can I find out which version of debian uses glibc 2.0? |
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| 21:30.52 | at0m | ,v glibc |
| 21:30.52 | judd | No package named 'glibc' was found in amd64. |
| 21:30.54 | greycat | TyrfingMjolnir: brute force search, most likely. |
| 21:31.07 | greycat | TyrfingMjolnir: start with debian 3.0 and work your way back |
| 21:31.09 | TyrfingMjolnir | This is for i386 |
| 21:31.14 | greycat | wouldn't matter which arch |
| 21:31.19 | TyrfingMjolnir | 2.1 or 3.0 is my guess |
| 21:31.33 | greycat | Right, so go look in the archive/snapshot for those. |
| 21:31.35 | TomG2 | you can't wrap the pid around if it's still being used |
| 21:31.42 | backdrop | https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=glib2.0 |
| 21:32.02 | greycat | TomG2: well obviously you have to DOS the process first. |
| 21:32.20 | greycat | and it won't respawn, because init.d |
| 21:32.21 | koollman | TomG2: you could have the service dying for any kind of reason. then you just hope no new process get its pid. and of course, you can write something slightly smarter than a simple pid check |
| 21:32.29 | TyrfingMjolnir | libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.0) |
| 21:32.35 | TyrfingMjolnir | to libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1.2) |
| 21:33.05 | backdrop | log check |
| 21:33.26 | TomG2 | sysvinit was just a lacking point in Linux... i don't _really_ want to argue SystemD |
| 21:33.55 | TyrfingMjolnir | There is devuan |
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| 21:34.20 | backdrop | yet another debian base distro |
| 21:34.41 | TyrfingMjolnir | It's debian 8 with sysvinit |
| 21:34.45 | koollman | not arguing. just saying that doing just a pid check is wrong, but that was not anything specifically designed in sysvinit |
| 21:34.47 | TyrfingMjolnir | From what I understand |
| 21:34.51 | jelly | TyrfingMjolnir: what's your goal with glibc 2.0? |
| 21:35.05 | TomG2 | koollman, I was arguing... :) |
| 21:35.19 | TyrfingMjolnir | To run FileMaker 5.5 Server in an LX debian 8 zone under Joyent SmartOS |
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| 21:35.31 | TyrfingMjolnir | yet chrooted to a subset of woody |
| 21:35.55 | TyrfingMjolnir | It's for a talk I'm doing |
| 21:36.10 | koollman | is the talk about the ways we seek for pain ? :) |
| 21:36.14 | teraflops | TomG2: you have been arguing all the day about systemd... |
| 21:36.17 | jelly | TyrfingMjolnir: what stops "FileMaker 5.5 Server" from working with any later glibc? |
| 21:36.32 | TyrfingMjolnir | I have no idea |
| 21:36.36 | teraflops | oh wait he put me on the ignore list |
| 21:36.45 | TyrfingMjolnir | I know it does not work under debian 4 due to new glibc |
| 21:36.45 | greycat | jelly: programs linked with glibc 2.0 do not run with glibc 2.1 or newer. There are missing symbols. |
| 21:37.06 | TyrfingMjolnir | That's it |
| 21:37.12 | TyrfingMjolnir | Missing symbol |
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| 21:37.15 | greycat | Of course you could have just said that yourself. :) |
| 21:37.17 | jelly | greycat: oh, that must have been so long ago I don't even remember |
| 21:37.36 | TyrfingMjolnir | Where can I pick up woody official iso> |
| 21:37.37 | TyrfingMjolnir | ? |
| 21:37.40 | TyrfingMjolnir | in 2017? |
| 21:37.44 | greycat | !snapshot |
| 21:37.44 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 21:37.47 | jelly | well if they broke ABI I guess they must have had a reason! |
| 21:37.50 | TyrfingMjolnir | Or do I have to sneak in to the house and find the CD? |
| 21:37.54 | greycat | !archive |
| 21:37.55 | dpkg | methinks archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 21:38.41 | jelly | TyrfingMjolnir: try slink (debian 2.1) or hamm (2.0) |
| 21:38.49 | TyrfingMjolnir | I hate hamm |
| 21:38.58 | TyrfingMjolnir | slink may do |
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| 21:39.27 | TyrfingMjolnir | 3.0 is latest available |
| 21:39.38 | jelly | you're doing archaeology, hate doesn't get into it |
| 21:39.49 | TyrfingMjolnir | The package selector in 2.0 and before was just crazy |
| 21:39.58 | jelly | dselect! |
| 21:40.23 | TyrfingMjolnir | Fantastic! ... not. |
| 21:41.50 | jelly | or redhat 6.something, |
| 21:41.59 | jelly | if you can find it |
| 21:42.26 | TyrfingMjolnir | I have RedHat 6.2 |
| 21:42.28 | TyrfingMjolnir | zoot |
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| 21:42.43 | jelly | which glibc does that have |
| 21:43.01 | TyrfingMjolnir | But then I will have to go searching for a CD-ROM |
| 21:43.05 | TyrfingMjolnir | player, i e |
| 21:43.16 | jelly | I _think_ it had glibc and not libc5... |
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| 21:44.31 | jelly | hamm was when debian did the switch over so that seems the likely place to have the earliest libc6 |
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| 21:45.01 | TyrfingMjolnir | Shoot VBox finds no partitionable media. |
| 21:45.53 | jelly | you'll have to pick the ide/scsi controller very carefully for such an old linux to detect disks |
| 21:45.58 | TyrfingMjolnir | Or Woody finds no partitionable media in VBox |
| 21:46.03 | jelly | buslogic scsi maybe |
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| 21:49.34 | TyrfingMjolnir | buslogic did the trick. |
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| 21:52.54 | TyrfingMjolnir | Get error message for the repo however |
| 21:53.08 | TyrfingMjolnir | Tried http://archive.debian.org |
| 21:53.11 | TyrfingMjolnir | debian |
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| 21:55.39 | TyrfingMjolnir | Same for ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/woody/ |
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| 22:00.26 | TyrfingMjolnir | I got to edit the sources list manually and now it works. |
| 22:00.44 | TomG2 | TyrfingMjolnir, i'm sorry, what are you trying to do? access debian woody repo? it works from archive.debian.org for me |
| 22:01.04 | TyrfingMjolnir | I was not able to convince the wizard |
| 22:01.19 | TyrfingMjolnir | editing the sources list in a text editor worked however. |
| 22:01.36 | TomG2 | great, though for all i know you're talking about the wizard that's in oz |
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| 22:01.50 | TyrfingMjolnir | That one |
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| 22:02.02 | TomG2 | great, then I don't have to think anymore :) |
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| 22:11.27 | TyrfingMjolnir | How can I unpack a .deb file? |
| 22:11.34 | TyrfingMjolnir | Without lisetning to errors, i e |
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| 22:14.12 | zykotick9 | TyrfingMjolnir: see "/msg dpkg deb" for the literal extraction method |
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| 22:15.20 | TyrfingMjolnir | dpkg -x pkg.deb folder |
| 22:15.20 | dpkg | TyrfingMjolnir: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 22:15.29 | pthreat | glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:15.37 | pthreat | /usr/lib/mesa-diverted/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 |
| 22:15.41 | TyrfingMjolnir | But I get contains ununderstood data member data.tar.xz |
| 22:15.59 | TyrfingMjolnir | I ran alien on a too new debian |
| 22:16.05 | pthreat | The library is there but the binary is not resolving the symbols |
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| 22:18.45 | pthreat | loooool I had to add a new ld.so.conf.d |
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| 22:19.11 | pthreat | I almost feel like I'm in slackware with jessie |
| 22:19.19 | pthreat | xD |
| 22:19.34 | TyrfingMjolnir | I got it |
| 22:19.59 | TyrfingMjolnir | When will the be 9? |
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| 22:20.38 | TyrfingMjolnir | Is stretch already stable? |
| 22:21.39 | TomG2 | no :) |
| 22:22.26 | TomG2 | wwsr |
| 22:22.29 | TomG2 | dpkg, wwsr |
| 22:22.30 | dpkg | Well... it's starting to get distinctly chilly... Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help> https://udd.debian.org/bugs/ https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 22:22.41 | TyrfingMjolnir | But to people run stretch for normal day to day use yet? |
| 22:22.57 | TomG2 | yeah, people always run testing for day to day use |
| 22:22.59 | TomG2 | since it was new |
| 22:23.12 | TyrfingMjolnir | The developers; yes |
| 22:23.20 | TyrfingMjolnir | But people using krita or font forge? |
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| 22:25.12 | TomG2 | TyrfingMjolnir, not sure, but maybe! and maybe they're mostly using other distributions/operating systems |
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| 23:10.49 | HansYolo | Hey there. |
| 23:11.01 | HansYolo | Got the exact same bug on my machine. |
| 23:11.01 | HansYolo | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99275 |
| 23:11.16 | HansYolo | How can I help to resolve the issue? |
| 23:11.39 | HansYolo | Using Debian 9.0 right now, with amdgpu enabled. |
| 23:13.02 | HansYolo | The radeon/pitcairn_*.bin ony my machine is rather old, compared to the one in the thread. |
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| 23:14.52 | HansYolo | It shouldnât be related to the ucode but the kernel itself. |
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