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| 17:46.48 | tx | ok.. |
| 17:47.16 | greycat | Missing fonts? That's what gives me "rectangles" in certain web browsers. |
| 17:47.20 | simbalion` | Freemon: Have you tried #jetbrains? |
| 17:47.31 | simbalion` | Freemon: I use phpstorm but I don't know if I can help you |
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| 17:47.39 | Freemon | well i tried font i dont know its doesnt works... |
| 17:47.53 | Freemon | pycharm = better than phpstorm |
| 17:48.07 | jmcnaught | Freemon: or maybe try one of the free IDEs in Debian. GNOME Builder is new and looks interesting. There's also eric, spyder and quite a few others |
| 17:48.07 | Freemon | + i need anroid studio |
| 17:48.10 | tx | you mean square brackets? |
| 17:48.11 | tx | [ ] |
| 17:48.13 | simbalion` | thanks guys I did apt-cache on all the dolphin dependencies and installed them manually and now dolphin installs |
| 17:48.13 | apt | simbalion`: my pleasure |
| 17:48.15 | Freemon | that too have all squar signs |
| 17:48.35 | simbalion` | Freemon: whatever, phpstorm does everything I need. |
| 17:48.54 | jelly | simbalion`: bet it doesn't show pretty squares! |
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| 17:49.21 | Freemon | man i want to know the reason not alternative recomendations |
| 17:49.23 | simbalion` | jelly: I have no idea what that means :) |
| 17:49.37 | simbalion` | Freemon: contact jet brains support they've been very helpful to me |
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| 17:50.14 | Freemon | i contacted them they adviced me to check java .. which i did but still same |
| 17:50.20 | jelly | simbalion`: doesn't matter. See if apt-get dist-upgrade still shows something is held back, if there's nothing to upgrade then that's it |
| 17:50.27 | Freemon | telling me to chk jdk path |
| 17:50.30 | `Kevin | Freemon: did you identify which fonts are used in the file? |
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| 17:50.40 | simbalion` | jelly: nope! |
| 17:50.56 | maxxe | BluesKaj, am also a home user |
| 17:50.58 | Freemon | i cant identify anything whole UI font appears to be sqare signs |
| 17:51.29 | johnfg | 'Kevin nothing there either. |
| 17:52.00 | Freemon | i changed fonts to debian default fonts still same |
| 17:52.41 | Circuitsoft | Anyone know why openjdk-7-jdk owns 106,000 files under /usr/share/doc? |
| 17:53.02 | Circuitsoft | "dpkg-query -L openjdk-7-jdk | fgrep /usr/share/doc/openjdk-7-jre-headless/test-amd64 | wc -l" gives 106566 |
| 17:53.16 | jmcnaught | Freemon: the reason i suggested alternatives is because the software included with Debian is supported here. If you have trouble with a third party proprietary software you should be asking the people who sold it you for help. |
| 17:53.21 | `Kevin | johnfg: ok then you do not have openafs fileserver running |
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| 17:54.14 | Freemon | hmm the weird thing is that when i installed in in vmware after installing fresh installing debian fonts were fine ... now i dont know where is stuck on this |
| 17:54.32 | jmcnaught | Freemon: also you get a signed photograph of RMS in the mail if you learn emacs, another great options |
| 17:55.12 | Freemon | emacs from Pros not for me |
| 17:55.40 | Freemon | their is a thin line i draw between cli and gui |
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| 17:57.20 | `Kevin | Freemon: lsof the process where it works and see what fonts it is using (lsof -n -p 12345 | grep '\.ttf$') compare to where it is broken and see if there is a difference where 12345 is the pid |
| 17:57.27 | `Kevin | that should to some extent at least rule out one possibility |
| 17:57.45 | cronicx | jelly: why does the chaik says that i need 2.15? ( /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found ) |
| 17:57.53 | cronicx | *check |
| 17:58.07 | Freemon | Kevin u think its font issue? |
| 17:58.59 | `Kevin | im not sure what else to check offhand but that sone possibility as others also noted yea |
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| 18:00.11 | greycat | If installing whatever fonts you can think of to make https://stackoverflow.com/q/1732348 render correctly doesn't fix your IDE, then you may need to find a more specialized channel for this IDE. |
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| 18:00.45 | kms_ | how to turn alert sounds off in gnome shell? |
| 18:01.10 | kms_ | after reboot it turned on again |
| 18:01.43 | BluesKaj | maxxe, I can only say thet kde/plasma has been very stable on my old pc (2008 vintage), everything works fine, even the legacy nvidia-340 driver |
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| 18:01.58 | Freemon | thx |
| 18:02.47 | maxxe | BluesKaj, okey. perhaps I should upgrade. |
| 18:03.04 | BluesKaj | maxxe, which DE? |
| 18:03.23 | maxxe | de? |
| 18:03.29 | Freemon | Pycharm IDe |
| 18:03.45 | BluesKaj | desktop environment, maxxe |
| 18:04.07 | maxxe | xfce |
| 18:04.44 | maxxe | have it on the server too. but there I can wait to upgrade. |
| 18:05.07 | BluesKaj | maxxe, think you'll be fine with xfce afaik |
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| 18:05.50 | maxxe | BluesKaj, yeah. seems like stretch is close also. 'Debian Stretch ETA 2017-06-17' |
| 18:06.10 | BluesKaj | yup june 17th |
| 18:06.14 | greycat | where are you seeing that? |
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| 18:06.24 | jelly | /topic |
| 18:06.36 | BluesKaj | greycat, topic |
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| 18:06.46 | greycat | OK... where did themill see it? :-/ |
| 18:06.53 | jelly | that would be telling! |
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| 18:07.47 | greycat | Ah, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch -> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/05/msg00002.html |
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| 18:10.52 | jmcnaught | kms_: you turned them off in settings > sound > sound effects and set the alert volume to off? |
| 18:11.42 | kms_ | yes |
| 18:12.19 | tictacbum | Hello, I am trying to make fn keys work on a laptop, some are working other not. The vol up/down keys trigger "press" event on showkey, but not the "release" one |
| 18:12.20 | jmcnaught | kms_: do you have pavucontrol installed? can you check that system sounds is muted there? |
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| 18:15.05 | kms_ | i am install pavucontrol now |
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| 18:15.18 | kms_ | system sounds is muted |
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| 18:15.51 | jmcnaught | so what program is making sounds? non-GNOME programs aren't necessarily going to use the same notification system |
| 18:15.57 | jonspw | Hey, does anyone know if it's possible to adjust sudo rules in debian live (clonezilla) so that "sudo su" is not possible from the default "user"? My rules seem to be having 0 impact and I'm a bit lost as to why. |
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| 18:16.55 | kms_ | i am go to reboot |
| 18:17.04 | BluesKaj | jonspw, add yourself to the sudo group |
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| 18:17.37 | jonspw | BluesKaj i'm working in the squashfs file. "user" doesn't seem to actually exist which i think is the source of my problems. ie it has no entry in /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow |
| 18:17.38 | tvm_ | alright, what do i do to get through this gmail "authentication" procedure with Thunderbird on jessie ? I've had same problem on other platforms, but update solved that. There's no backport of newer thunderbird for jessie. |
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| 18:18.15 | jelly | jonspw: what does "id -a" say when you run it as that default user? |
| 18:18.31 | jonspw | good one. gonna check. |
| 18:18.39 | BluesKaj | jonspw, sorry dunno how the live medis permissions works ,..missed that |
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| 18:18.57 | jmcnaught | tvm_: i briefly used a gmail account with thunderbird on jessie, and from what i recall it defaulted to OAUTH, and came up with a little browser window to authenticate the first time |
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| 18:19.08 | jonspw | jelly 1000 |
| 18:19.19 | jelly | jonspw: that's not all it says |
| 18:19.26 | jelly | or is it? |
| 18:19.29 | jonspw | well of course not |
| 18:19.46 | jelly | jonspw: what does "id -a" say when you run it as that default user? All of it please. |
| 18:20.54 | jonspw | uid=1000(user gid=1000(user) groups=1000(user),24(cdrom) - etc etc. rest of groups listed are just giving it access to subsystems |
| 18:20.55 | tvm_ | jmcnaught: that is exactly the problem |
| 18:21.12 | greycat | Paste. Paste. The. Results. Do not mistype parts of it. |
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| 18:21.21 | jelly | jonspw: what else is in etc. etc. part? |
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| 18:21.40 | greycat | note that he also dropped the ) after uid=1000(user |
| 18:21.45 | jonspw | 25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),36(plugdev),109(netdev) |
| 18:21.45 | jmcnaught | tvm_: when you add the account do you let thunderbird figure out the details, or are you trying to configure it manually for IMAP and password access or something like that? |
| 18:21.46 | greycat | no telling what other errors he introduced |
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| 18:22.01 | jonspw | Yeah, manually typing, sorry. |
| 18:22.06 | kms_ | after reboot system sounds is unmuted |
| 18:22.17 | jelly | jonspw: show the complete output. I'm interested in whether it lists a sudo or wheel group for a start. |
| 18:22.20 | kms_ | i want mute it permanently |
| 18:22.32 | tvm_ | jmcnaught: the button does nothing, it's apparently fixed problem in later releases, but i have to use what is available, i'm adding existing account, it's the SMS authorization window |
| 18:23.00 | jonspw | copy/paste: uid=1000(user) gid=1000(user) groups=1000(user),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),109(netdev) |
| 18:23.02 | jmcnaught | tvm_: "the button"? |
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| 18:23.25 | jelly | jonspw: if it doesn't, that means there is some non-default way it's given permission to run commands under sudo. |
| 18:24.02 | jonspw | perhaps it's something clonezilla is doing, but it appears to literally just have a script it execs to run their GUI on top of debian live and not be doing anything system-side itself |
| 18:24.04 | tvm_ | jmcnaught: it asks for email or phone, then you're supposed to click "next" and advance, but it's broken |
| 18:24.15 | jelly | jonspw: that in turn probably means some modification in /etc/sudoers or a file under /etc/sudoers.d/ |
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| 18:24.30 | jonspw | jelly nope, /etc/sudoers is default and no includes. |
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| 18:24.38 | tvm_ | jmcnaught: had same issue on other box, update solved it, but i can't just "update" on jessie since there's nothing newer available |
| 18:24.44 | jonspw | in fact, i tried putting my sudo rules in /etc/sudoers but they have no impact on this default user. |
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| 18:25.05 | jmcnaught | tvm_: what version of thunderbird do you have? "apt-cache policy thunderbird" |
| 18:25.13 | jelly | jonspw: if that is true, I have no idea why sudo works. Possibly they tampered with /etc/pam.d/sudo |
| 18:25.34 | jonspw | that doesn't appear to be the case either :( |
| 18:25.45 | jelly | then ask the clonezilla people. |
| 18:25.52 | tvm_ | jmcnaught: Installed: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1 |
| 18:26.08 | jelly | jonspw: can you pastebin their /etc/sudoers? |
| 18:26.13 | jelly | !paste |
| 18:26.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 18:26.41 | SuperTramp83 | kms_, I think you want to blacklist the relevant module https://askubuntu.com/questions/110341/how-to-blacklist-kernel-modules |
| 18:26.52 | jonspw | jelly https://pastebin.com/YFGaLyka |
| 18:26.52 | jelly | ,v thunderbird |
| 18:26.53 | judd | Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; stretch: 1:45.8.0-3; sid: 1:45.8.0-3 |
| 18:26.54 | jonspw | nothing in sudoers.d |
| 18:27.33 | jmcnaught | tvm_: the gmail account i had been using didn't have two factor authentication. did you try another mail client? |
| 18:27.56 | kms_ | but why system sounds is turned on after reboot? |
| 18:28.01 | tvm_ | jmcnaught: it works elsewhere, just not in this version of thunderbird |
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| 18:28.40 | tvm_ | so i can either disable two factor auth or find some workaround |
| 18:29.05 | jmcnaught | or get a new email address :P |
| 18:29.09 | jelly | jonspw: weird |
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| 18:29.27 | tvm_ | jmcnaught: well, not planning that yet ;-) |
| 18:29.34 | jelly | jonspw: nothing weird in that file tho. And "sudo -i" works for that user? |
| 18:29.41 | jonspw | jelly yep, i'm totally banging my head against a wall here. makes no sense. |
| 18:30.00 | jonspw | it's passwordless sudo, yes. |
| 18:30.04 | jelly | jonspw: does the user have any password set in /etc/shadow? |
| 18:30.22 | wyre | gnome accounts is asking me permanently for my credentials |
| 18:30.31 | jonspw | nope. nothing to be found for "user" or id 1000 in /etc/shadow or /etc/passwd |
| 18:30.32 | wyre | when I open any app |
| 18:30.37 | wyre | how can I fix this? |
| 18:30.42 | wyre | should I reconfigure something? |
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| 18:31.09 | jmcnaught | kms_: you could try looking in "journalctl --user -b" to see if there is are any clues in your logs |
| 18:32.06 | jmcnaught | jonspw: is it some weird hacky script in rc.local that adds the user account when it boots? the clonezilla people probably know more |
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| 18:32.38 | jonspw | no rc.local file |
| 18:32.42 | SuperTramp83 | kms_, **if** your goal is to **permanently** mute all sound, input included, then blacklisting is the way to go. Now, why you'd want that and the reason of clear sound allergy implied within I actually ignore, but that's ok too ^^ |
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| 18:33.57 | jmcnaught | uhh⦠blacklisting modules to disable system sounds in GNOME is not a good idea. just unplug speakers if you want no sounds. kms_ has a user level issue, not a system level one |
| 18:34.05 | tx | go a step further |
| 18:34.12 | tx | remove the sound IC from your motherboard |
| 18:34.19 | tx | don't want those CIA people getting in :P |
| 18:34.30 | tx | (jk) |
| 18:34.52 | greycat | he might have a builtin speaker that can't be disabled at the hardware level (without intrusive steps) |
| 18:35.17 | greycat | so it's not a completely wrong answer, though I suspect it's not the desired one either |
| 18:35.24 | jmcnaught | still i don't think they want no sounds, just no beeps for notifications |
| 18:35.56 | BluesKaj | jmcnaught, I'm sure there's a method to to disable system sounds, depends on the DE which method is available. |
| 18:36.02 | Circuitsoft | For my purposes, blacklisting pcspkr took care of all my sound problems. |
| 18:36.06 | SuperTramp83 | well, they should clarify it for us |
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| 18:36.44 | kms_ | this problem on different computers, on clear debian 8.8, i want turn off only system sounds like a "Drip" |
| 18:36.56 | greycat | The original question strongly implied that he HAD managed to disable the undesired sounds via GNOME clicky-crap but that it was being undone upon rebooting, or possibly upon logout (wasn't clearly stated). |
| 18:37.35 | jmcnaught | disabling system sounds in GNOME works for me on jessie and stretch. i hate system sounds. |
| 18:37.42 | SuperTramp83 | oh, it appears I joined the channel late.. |
| 18:37.49 | tx | system sounds are so 90's |
| 18:37.50 | tx | :) |
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| 19:29.04 | Antares | ÐÑем Ð¿Ð½Ð¸Ð²ÐµÑ |
| 19:29.10 | Antares | yo! |
| 19:29.12 | tx | yeah |
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| 19:30.13 | Antares | Ðак дела? |
| 19:30.30 | missmbob | !ru |
| 19:30.30 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 19:38.10 | p0001223 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.20 | p0001223 | whenever I mount my external hard drive my computer goes into admin mode |
| 19:38.26 | p0001223 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.33 | greycat | ... what is "admin mode" |
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| 19:38.41 | p0001223 | mount -a says parse error at line 14 --- ignored |
| 19:38.48 | p0001223 | it forces me to login as root |
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| 19:38.53 | greycat | Oh, you meam "it doesn' boot". |
| 19:40.18 | greycat | So is the actual problem "If I DON'T connect my external hard drive, my computer won't boot (mount failure, drops to single user mode and prompts for root passwd), but if I DO connect it, everything is fine"? If so: use the "noauto" option in fstab for the removable device. |
| 19:40.18 | p0001223 | no idea im rebooting now to get the correct verbiage |
| 19:40.34 | p0001223 | no it has to mount on boot |
| 19:40.39 | p0001223 | that's not the answer |
| 19:40.50 | p0001223 | service zoneminder needs to access it immediately |
| 19:40.53 | greycat | Then perhaps I don't have the problem correct yet. What are you trying to do? |
| 19:41.02 | p0001223 | there is obviously an issue with my fstab entry |
| 19:41.06 | p0001223 | where i have no idea |
| 19:41.11 | p0001223 | http://paste.debian.net/956308 (/etc/fstab) | http://paste.debian.net/956310 (blkid /dev/*) | http://paste.debian.net/956312 (fdisk -l) |
| 19:41.28 | greycat | That isn't useful. We need to know what the problem is first. |
| 19:41.34 | p0001223 | okay its called emergency mode not admin mode |
| 19:42.16 | p0001223 | what happens? http://paste.debian.net/956336 |
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| 19:43.07 | greycat | Are you saying "I cannot mount the partitions *at all* not even in a standard root shell after booting"? |
| 19:43.15 | p0001223 | i can't even type mount -a |
| 19:43.21 | p0001223 | and it fails on boot as well |
| 19:43.38 | missmbob | systemd[1]: dev-sdb1.mount: Unit entered failed state. |
| 19:44.07 | greycat | 14 #UUID=d9148201-a5fa-4839-885a-81a2e18afdf7 /dev/sdb1 /newdrive ext4 defaults 0 2 |
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| 19:44.24 | p0001223 | what's wrong with that entry? |
| 19:44.27 | greycat | You don't specify the UUID *and* the transient device name (/dev/whatever). You specify one or the other. |
| 19:44.39 | p0001223 | oh |
| 19:44.43 | p0001223 | let me try that thanks |
| 19:44.48 | p0001223 | so remove /dev/sdb1 then? |
| 19:44.51 | greycat | yes |
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| 19:46.55 | p0001223 | handfuls of people have looked at the same entries and didn't notice the same mistake |
| 19:46.55 | p0001223 | thank you |
| 19:47.01 | p0001223 | -didn't notice the mistake |
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| 20:00.44 | jhutchins_wk | Did someone mention that that line is commented out? |
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| 20:01.02 | greycat | Yeah, I think we got that. |
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| 20:11.52 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, yes, he knows he commented it because it was broken, presumably he'll enable the corrected line sooner or later. |
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| 20:13.17 | p0001223 | greycat figured it out thanks though |
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| 20:13.27 | p0001223 | i can't believe i overlooked that so many times |
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| 20:22.38 | greycat | There's reptyr but I don't know how trustworthy it is. |
| 20:23.44 | phogg | fggfgfg: you can background and disown the process. CTRL+Z, then say bg to put it into the background, then say disown to disconnect it from the terminal job control. If you need its stdout/stderr you will lose them if/when the terminal exits. |
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| 20:24.11 | phogg | fggfgfg: some processes do not cope with losing stdin/stderr/stdout and can crash if they're taken away; it's not common but it can happen |
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| 20:24.23 | fggfgfg | phogg i don't think this process will do well if I do ctrl z |
| 20:24.26 | fggfgfg | doesn't that pause it? |
| 20:24.34 | greycat | Yes. |
| 20:24.35 | phogg | fggfgfg: yes. |
| 20:24.51 | fggfgfg | I can't pause it |
| 20:24.54 | fggfgfg | man I'm fucked |
| 20:24.56 | phogg | fggfgfg: that's usually not a problem. is your process doing something realtime? |
| 20:25.01 | fggfgfg | yes |
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| 20:25.36 | greycat | Well, try reptyr. |
| 20:25.38 | fggfgfg | if I write random stuff do I keep the ssh session alive or it will expire sooner or later anyway? |
| 20:25.39 | mutante | "retty" and "reptyr" but both are like "at your own risk" (i mean, what isn't ) |
| 20:25.44 | phogg | fggfgfg: your only other option is what greycat said |
| 20:26.12 | mutante | for the next time you could make it so that screen starts automatically each time you login .. i guess |
| 20:26.13 | jhutchins_wk | fggfgfg: You can background it and disown it, but I'm not sure what happens to any output. |
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| 20:26.38 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: he claims he can't suspend it even for a fraction of a second in order to bg it. |
| 20:26.42 | jhutchins_wk | Automatically starting screen at login can lead to unusable accounts. Trust me on this. |
| 20:27.06 | jhutchins_wk | AH, I see phogg was ahead of me. |
| 20:27.15 | mutante | ok, heh. then just "DONT FORGET SCREEN" >> /etc/motd |
| 20:27.24 | fggfgfg | can't I open a new ssh session with the same user? |
| 20:27.38 | greycat | Sure, why not. |
| 20:27.38 | phogg | fggfgfg: whether the ssh session stays open depends on various settings. If bytes continue to transmit from client to server it will keep it open longer, but network interrupts will still kill it |
| 20:27.40 | jhutchins_wk | fggfgfg: Yes, but it won't have any relation/connection to the current session. |
| 20:27.40 | fggfgfg | if I write random stuff/press enter repeatedly even if it's only an "output", will I keep the ssh session alive? |
| 20:27.57 | greycat | Dude, that is not your main concern here. |
| 20:28.04 | fggfgfg | jhutchins_wk: but it's a process, I must be able to do something to it so it doesn't crash when my ssh session expires |
| 20:28.53 | bit1 | could I suggest nohup process.sh > output.txt & ? |
| 20:28.57 | phogg | jhutchins_wk: reptyr or background+disown. Both have risks. Next time remember to tmux/screen first. |
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| 20:29.01 | Antares | Ð ÑÑÑкоговоÑÑÑие еÑÑÑ? |
| 20:29.15 | greycat | Open new session, run screen in it, reptyr the process over to the new pty inside screen. Use at your own risk, YMMV. |
| 20:29.57 | jhutchins_wk | Much in *nix depends on planning ahead. |
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| 20:31.08 | Antares | https://vk.com/astrabiology |
| 20:31.31 | phogg | jhutchins_wk: much in life also |
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| 20:32.29 | fggfgfg | you guys are good philosophers but I don't need a philosopher right now |
| 20:32.34 | fggfgfg | what about debian ssh connections |
| 20:32.44 | greycat | Open new session, run screen in it, reptyr the process over to the new pty inside screen. Use at your own risk, YMMV. |
| 20:32.46 | fggfgfg | can I modify their settings in real time somehow so this one doesn't ever expire? |
| 20:32.52 | mutante | what is the process actually doing i wonder now |
| 20:32.57 | greycat | Does he have me on ignore? |
| 20:32.57 | fggfgfg | greycat: what's the risk? |
| 20:33.11 | fggfgfg | ymmv |
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| 20:33.12 | greycat | The risk is that reptyr may not work and then who the fuck knows what happens. |
| 20:33.13 | mutante | it exists. nobody really knows. that's why it's yours |
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| 20:33.30 | fggfgfg | greycat: then shut the fuck up if you are not sure about anything I ask |
| 20:33.35 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 20:33.35 | fggfgfg | I got enough of you already |
| 20:33.44 | mutante | now that was rude. end of suuport |
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| 20:33.59 | phogg | fggfgfg: reptyr doesn't handle processes with children very well, it may be a problem if the process you're running is trying to interact with stdin in certain ways, plus other less common things |
| 20:34.47 | fggfgfg | I can't afford a risk, can I tell debian somehow to avoid closing this ssh session due to inactivity? |
| 20:34.48 | Violinist | lel |
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| 20:34.58 | phogg | fggfgfg: no one is sure because *we don't know what process you're running*. I also can't tell how bad accidentally killing it is, only you can know that, so I cannot assess the risk. |
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| 20:35.15 | phogg | fggfgfg: no setting that you alter after the session has started will affect that |
| 20:36.06 | fggfgfg | phogg: what do you mean by you don't know what process I'm running? |
| 20:36.29 | Violinist | guys |
| 20:36.33 | Violinist | find . -name '*.js' -exec sed -i 's/foo/bar/g' {} + |
| 20:36.33 | Violinist | find . -name "*.txt" -print0 | xargs -0 sed -i '' -e 's/foo/bar/g' |
| 20:36.37 | Violinist | which is better? |
| 20:36.43 | greycat | The first one. |
| 20:36.46 | Violinist | why |
| 20:36.51 | mutante | how about avoiding the problem with inactivity by letting the session actually do some random thing in a loop.. until your process is done |
| 20:36.51 | phogg | fggfgfg: you have some undefined process launched from a ssh session. If it's cp reparenting is probably safe, but I can't tell you if it's safe for your process |
| 20:36.53 | jhutchins_wk | fggfgfg: If you can't afford a risk, what's your backup/backout plan? |
| 20:37.04 | greycat | Occam's razor. Don't introduce new things unnecessarily. Like xargs. |
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| 20:37.29 | fggfgfg | mutante: can I open a new ssh session and login with the same user ? that won't kill the current process, right? |
| 20:37.35 | fggfgfg | if I can, I will do what you say |
| 20:37.38 | phogg | Violinist: find + sed vs. find + subshell + xargs + sed. You tell me which is simpler. |
| 20:37.42 | Violinist | but will those have the same result ? |
| 20:37.46 | jhutchins_wk | fggfgfg: No, but it won't connect to the current process either. |
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| 20:38.09 | greycat | No, of course not. One is operating on *.js and the other on *.txt. And one uses the BSD sed -i '' thing and the other doesn't. |
| 20:38.10 | jhutchins_wk | fggfgfg: I don't know what the limit is, but you can probably have as many different sessions for the same user as you have resources for. |
| 20:38.33 | Violinist | ahh well lets say i set those the same |
| 20:38.47 | Violinist | both have -i |
| 20:38.51 | cysill | greycat: I thought sed -i was GNU only and that BSD lacked it |
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| 20:39.02 | jhutchins_wk | fggfgfg: Linux is based on multi-user mainframe systems that can run a whole campus of users simultaneously. |
| 20:39.06 | phogg | cysill: they have different versions |
| 20:39.09 | greycat | FreeBSD sed has -i but it takes an argument. GNU's -i takes an optional argument. |
| 20:39.30 | fggfgfg | jhutchins_wk: and yet still Linux is unable to keep this session alive |
| 20:39.39 | phogg | fggfgfg: you didn't ask it to |
| 20:39.46 | jhutchins_wk | fggfgfg: It is able, you must arrange it. |
| 20:40.01 | phogg | fggfgfg: if you set it up *in advance* it can. Doing it retroactively is not supported in Linux (or anywhere). |
| 20:40.01 | fggfgfg | sure |
| 20:40.16 | jhutchins_wk | fggfgfg: It's not able to RETROACTIVELY change the mode the process was started in. |
| 20:40.21 | fggfgfg | if that were true, I'd be able to do something now, but I am not |
| 20:40.30 | mutante | maybe if you could explain why it is absolutely not an option to just stop it and start it again in screen 3 seconds later |
| 20:40.31 | fggfgfg | obviously if any of us had a time machine we could solve every issue we've had in life |
| 20:40.37 | fggfgfg | but I prefer to live in the present |
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| 20:40.50 | fggfgfg | mutante I lose 15.000$ |
| 20:41.04 | jhutchins_wk | fggfgfg: What happens if there is a hardware/electical failure while your process is running? |
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| 20:41.27 | fggfgfg | jhutchins_wk: I got a battery |
| 20:41.30 | mutante | fggfgfg: can you run the same process from another computer? |
| 20:41.38 | fggfgfg | mutante: no |
| 20:41.40 | teraflops | fggfgfg: so youre here for moral support? I can give you hug ⦠|
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| 20:41.47 | phogg | fggfgfg: for 15k sit there and stare at it while periodically hitting a key to keep the session open. |
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| 20:41.55 | fggfgfg | teraflops: I'm here for tech support, but all I get is philosoraptor |
| 20:42.11 | phogg | there's a difference between tech support and philosophy? |
| 20:42.12 | mutante | so if the harddisk dies.. how much will you lose then? 5 $ per second while getting the replacement? |
| 20:42.16 | greycat | phogg: because there's 0% chance of a power failure on the CLIENT side. Sure. |
| 20:42.19 | Violinist | do i need to escape . in sed? |
| 20:42.30 | tw | if you want a literal period, yes. |
| 20:42.38 | greycat | Violinist: in the search part, or any other BRE, yes. |
| 20:42.45 | phogg | greycat: there's also a 0% chance of backhoe, the ISP barfing, etc |
| 20:42.46 | Violinist | ya i figured |
| 20:42.51 | greycat | phogg: exactly... |
| 20:42.58 | Violinist | but i noticed in "" you dont |
| 20:43.05 | fggfgfg | phogg: so then pressing a key keeps the session open |
| 20:43.09 | Violinist | but i think thats only grep |
| 20:43.10 | fggfgfg | thanks |
| 20:43.17 | phogg | fggfgfg: sending bytes over the wire resets the idle timer |
| 20:43.23 | mutante | fggfgfg: so what i would do is script it.. put the "kill existing process, start screen, run it" all into a bash script.. make sure it's correct and then do it all with one command.. so it's simply as fast as possible |
| 20:43.30 | greycat | But he shouldn't need to hit the space key every 120 seconds because he already programmed his ~/.ssh/config with ServerAliveInterval because he's so smart. |
| 20:43.37 | `Kevin | fggfgfg: i think you are just getting advice from people who have been in your shoes and do not want you to make the same mistake(s) :) |
| 20:44.03 | fggfgfg | I'm getting advice from people who like to help but also want to have fun before helping |
| 20:44.21 | greycat | mutante: run the script from *inside* screen |
| 20:44.27 | phogg | fggfgfg: we've already offered all possible advice so there is nothing left but fun |
| 20:44.42 | teraflops | fggfgfg: if you think we are laughing at you, youre definitely wrong |
| 20:45.04 | fggfgfg | phogg: you helped me the moment you explained to me writing stuff (even if there's no terminal and it's just a window with an output) helps me to keep the session alive |
| 20:45.05 | phogg | fggfgfg: you have to understand that 90% of questions are from people asking the wrong question by presupposing things that are not true. I am pretty sure your cases is included in that. |
| 20:45.14 | fggfgfg | I wasn't sure that actually sent data to the server.. so thanks |
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| 20:45.26 | fggfgfg | phogg: then you're wrong |
| 20:45.28 | phogg | fggfgfg: I said that long ago, too. Also Google can tell you that if you ask. |
| 20:46.28 | phogg | fggfgfg: I'm struggling to imagine a scenario where being backgrounded for one second breaks something. Are you trading stocks? Controlling an object moving very fast? |
| 20:46.54 | fggfgfg | I'm not interested in sharing my life with people who are being so cruel to me |
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| 20:47.03 | phogg | fggfgfg: Nobody here is being cruel. |
| 20:47.18 | Violinist | guys take it easy on the poor kid |
| 20:47.22 | phogg | fggfgfg: We're trying to help as best we are able which, per experience, means questioning your assumptions. |
| 20:47.38 | fggfgfg | phogg: what should I have asked Google to get that answer? |
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| 20:48.06 | fggfgfg | phogg: question someone means offending someone, you're not supposed to question others but to try to learn from them |
| 20:48.14 | fggfgfg | I didn't question any of you |
| 20:49.03 | `Kevin | fggfgfg: intelligent people do not provide basic instruction, we ask for detail to give you a proper solution |
| 20:49.34 | Violinist | yeah kevin ur suffering from intelligent person problem |
| 20:49.57 | `Kevin | and the trolls are about |
| 20:49.58 | phogg | fggfgfg: ssh client detect idle |
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| 20:50.25 | phogg | fggfgfg: this would lead to discussions of how idle works that reveals that any byte from the client will prevent it |
| 20:51.37 | phogg | fggfgfg: Also, excuse me WHAT? Questioning people asking questions is essential. If you think otherwise I recommend you try it for a while. I must understand your situation to solve your problem, the more thoroughly I understand it the better I can solve it. |
| 20:51.41 | greycat | The ssh client/server don't give a rat's ass about "idle". That is a NAT thing. Your NAT router may care about your session going idle, and drop it. This is why you put ServerAliveInterval 300 in ~/.ssh/config on the client. Or the analogous thing on the server. |
| 20:51.56 | phogg | fggfgfg: if you take offense... welcome to the club of people who don't get help |
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| 20:52.15 | `Kevin | ^ |
| 20:52.34 | fggfgfg | phogg: if you can't tell the difference between someone who doesn't know what his problem is, and someone who knows exactly what's going on and what he needs and asks for it |
| 20:52.40 | fggfgfg | then you're not as smart as you think you are |
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| 20:53.00 | shadow | So... https://stackoverflow.com/questions/40310745/bt-hybrid-iso-hybrid-webboot-what-is-the-difference can we answer this |
| 20:53.11 | phogg | fggfgfg: I can't tell the difference because most people who *THINK* they know exactly what's going on but don't act exactly like the ones who really do not know. |
| 20:53.22 | shadow | what is the difference between bt-hybrid, iso-hybrid, and webboot? |
| 20:53.31 | shadow | I looked and could not find a succinct answer |
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| 20:53.53 | phogg | fggfgfg: and yeah I am still including you in that category. In my experience the person who actually understands what he needs is a myth; such a person doesn't ask for help. |
| 20:53.57 | shadow | If that stackoverflow question were answered then I would not come here to ask :) |
| 20:54.50 | fggfgfg | phogg: "In my experience the person who actually understands what he needs is a myth; such a person doesn't ask for help." -> wow man, you're becoming better at philosophy as the conversation goes by |
| 20:54.59 | fggfgfg | congratulations, I personally liked that one very much |
| 20:55.50 | shadow | I find that webboot is referenced at https://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/live-manual/stable/manual/html/live-manual.en.html#283 |
| 20:56.02 | shadow | however what is the difference between bt-hybrid and iso-hybrid? |
| 20:56.07 | phogg | fggfgfg: I cannot help but learn from my own experiences. I don't know how you could expect otherwise. |
| 20:56.14 | tw | shadow: bt-hybrid is a torrent file of the iso-hybrid. |
| 20:56.24 | `Kevin | shadow: bittorrent vs file/iso direct download |
| 20:56.42 | shadow | `Kevin: tw: perfect thanks |
| 20:56.51 | phogg | shadow: quick! now go answer the SO post and claim some upvotes |
| 20:57.11 | shadow | ha ha I don't know how to do that, but I will post as guest |
| 20:57.25 | fggfgfg | phogg: I will be here writing "sdfgjsgkfgj sfdkgpsd kofmgjodfg" to a terminal all night so we have time to know each other |
| 20:57.40 | fggfgfg | I'd make a macro for it but I'm drunk and lazy |
| 20:57.54 | phogg | fggfgfg: I won't be here that long, but you enjoy that. I recommend investing in one of those birds, Homer Simpson style. |
| 20:59.10 | phogg | fggfgfg: https://giphy.com/gifs/simpsons-dippy-bird-drinking-l41lUJ1YoZB1lHVPG # and then you can get some sleep |
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| 21:00.11 | fggfgfg | i had to ask my son what you meant |
| 21:00.21 | mgood7123_ | how do i install debug packages |
| 21:00.21 | fggfgfg | he used to watch the simpsons too |
| 21:00.22 | shadow | does the webboot/ image just add the capability to web boot something else? |
| 21:00.45 | shadow | I see the webboot/ images are still quite large |
| 21:01.15 | shadow | oh... |
| 21:01.22 | shadow | it's a component used for a webboot image |
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| 21:02.15 | teraflops | mgood7123_: with the package manager same as any other package |
| 21:02.26 | Violinist | is debian 9 gona come with gnome? |
| 21:02.32 | greycat | Yes. |
| 21:02.36 | debish | hey! |
| 21:02.39 | greycat | And KDE, and many other DEs. |
| 21:02.41 | Violinist | yeah coz we dont like the other ones |
| 21:02.52 | Violinist | but they did ruin gnome a bit |
| 21:03.00 | greycat | Did you actually mean "Will it install GNOME by default?" Uh... maybe? I don't know. |
| 21:03.01 | debish | I am fighting UEFI to try to install debian stretch from a bootable USB |
| 21:03.10 | Violinist | yeah i did |
| 21:03.19 | debish | despite being theoretically supported by debian installer (https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI#debian-installer_support) |
| 21:03.19 | mgood7123_ | ik but what packages do i need to install |
| 21:03.28 | debish | I can't boot the installer at all |
| 21:03.28 | Darby_Crash | hi guys i've installed Stretch + Mate and i have a issue with libinput. I can't enable click on tap function |
| 21:03.30 | mgood7123_ | to generate a usefull crash log |
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| 21:03.32 | Violinist | coz i noticed the downloads used to include gnome in the title |
| 21:03.38 | debish | any ideas, links, suggestions? |
| 21:03.43 | greycat | You can install whichever DE(s) you like. You don't have to use the default. |
| 21:03.54 | Violinist | i know but it should be preinstalled |
| 21:04.10 | greycat | "downloads including gnome in the title" sounds like you are looking at *Live* images, not indistall images. |
| 21:04.33 | greycat | glares at his Ctrl key |
| 21:04.47 | shadow | phogg: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/40310745/bt-hybrid-iso-hybrid-webboot-what-is-the-difference/44294646 looks okay to you? did I describe that correctly? |
| 21:05.34 | teraflops | mgood7123_: -dbg ones |
| 21:05.41 | phogg | shadow: don't ask me, plenty of guidance on what makes a good SO answer abounds on the internet |
| 21:05.52 | fggfgfg | stretch is terrible, but default is even more terrible |
| 21:06.01 | fggfgfg | debian progress is pretty slow, and when there's progress there are many bugs |
| 21:06.22 | greycat | It's SO. Every answer will be wrong in some subtle (or obvious) way. |
| 21:06.34 | Darby_Crash | i've tryed to set it in Dconf but don't work |
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| 21:07.42 | shadow | phogg: ha, ha. :) |
| 21:07.46 | shadow | okay thanks everyone |
| 21:07.57 | teraflops | Darby_Crash: what's wrong with using xinput and the console? |
| 21:08.17 | shadow | last question is between "debian-live...standard" and "debian-live...gnome-desktop" aren't those the same? |
| 21:08.33 | greycat | I'd imagine it refers to what's on the CD. |
| 21:08.43 | greycat | Not that I care about Debian Live images. Like, at all. |
| 21:08.48 | teraflops | Darby_Crash: know your tools⦠|
| 21:09.00 | shadow | you're charming as always :D |
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| 21:09.18 | greycat | !debian-live |
| 21:09.18 | phogg | shadow: both will have GNOME desktops, but I don't know if they're actually identical |
| 21:09.18 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org; also see <live login>, <uefi live>. |
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| 21:09.37 | Darby_Crash | hi teraflops, i want enable click on tap for my touchpad but it don't work |
| 21:09.42 | greycat | If you have specific questions about the contents of one or more d-l images, ask the #debian-live folks on OFTC. |
| 21:09.55 | shadow | phogg: thanks. I'm seeing the ISO direct downloads are quite a bit different in size |
| 21:10.09 | teraflops | Darby_Crash: you said youre using libinput, right? |
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| 21:10.14 | shadow | I guess more Gnome-ish things on the Gnome one. |
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| 21:10.32 | Darby_Crash | on Stretch i have only it |
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| 21:10.44 | Darby_Crash | no more synaptic module |
| 21:12.09 | greycat | dpkg, debian live =~ s/These can be used to install a Debian system./NOT recommended for installing Debian./ |
| 21:12.09 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 21:12.39 | teraflops | Darby_Crash: take a look at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libinput |
| 21:12.49 | shadow | phogg: allegedly there's no UI on the Standard |
| 21:12.54 | Darby_Crash | thanks teraflops |
| 21:12.56 | shadow | GUI* |
| 21:13.09 | phogg | Last time I tried to install from debian live it was unable to set up non-trivial partitioning (e.g. lvm and raid). True story. |
| 21:13.22 | phogg | shadow: on the standard livecd? Really... |
| 21:13.53 | teraflops | Darby_Crash: np, just try by hand first, changes applied on the fly, when you get the right params, make it persistent |
| 21:14.35 | Darby_Crash | teraflops, ok, now i make a try |
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| 21:15.22 | mgood7123_ | how can i install the debug packages for these? "/usr/bin/kdevelop /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Core.so.5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Widgets.so.5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5XcbQpa.so.5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Gui.so.5" |
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| 21:16.20 | teraflops | mgood7123_: ask dpkg which package owns each library and install the -dbg ones |
| 21:18.06 | mgood7123_ | how can i install the debug packages for these? "/usr/bin/kdevelop /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Core.so.5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Widgets.so.5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5XcbQpa.so.5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Gui.so.5" |
| 21:18.25 | mgood7123_ | wtf my mouse is glitching up -_- |
| 21:18.51 | mgood7123_ | how do i do that |
| 21:21.36 | teraflops | mgood7123_: man dpkg |
| 21:22.17 | greycat | teraflops: more like "man apt-cache" but my first few lame attempts to find a libqt5 -dbg package have not succeeded. |
| 21:22.24 | greycat | I am not strongly motivated, however. |
| 21:22.33 | teraflops | dpkg -S should work there |
| 21:22.33 | dpkg | Badgers ate my should work there! |
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| 21:22.45 | greycat | only if you already have the files |
| 21:22.46 | teraflops | dpkg -S /usr/bin/kdevelop |
| 21:22.47 | dpkg | There is no record of a /usr/bin/kdevelop package |
| 21:22.53 | teraflops | or whatever |
| 21:23.23 | teraflops | greycat: looks like he already have those files |
| 21:23.42 | greycat | ... no, he wants the debug versions of those |
| 21:23.52 | teraflops | ಠ_ಠ|
| 21:24.23 | teraflops | teraflops ⸠mgood7123_: ask dpkg which package owns each library and install the -dbg ones |
| 21:24.45 | greycat | teraflops: THE ENTIRE QUESTION is what is the NAME of these debug packages |
| 21:24.52 | teraflops | ok ⦠|
| 21:24.52 | greycat | If they even exist. |
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| 21:27.20 | greycat | try, try, try, try, try, .... oh maybe the real libqt5-dev is this "qtbase5-dev" one? |
| 21:27.36 | greycat | Package: qtbase5-dbg |
| 21:27.37 | greycat | State: not a real package (virtual) |
| 21:27.37 | mgood7123_ | libqt5gui5:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5XcbQpa.so.5 |
| 21:27.37 | mgood7123_ | libqt5widgets5:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Widgets.so.5 |
| 21:27.37 | mgood7123_ | libqt5core5a:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Core.so.5 |
| 21:27.37 | mgood7123_ | libqt5gui5:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Gui.so.5 |
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| 21:28.10 | phogg | what a novel naming convention |
| 21:28.14 | teraflops | greycat: so your point here is not help at all but just flame and start endless discussions about others people help |
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| 21:28.54 | phogg | teraflops: if he wasn't trying to help would he be trying to find the qt5 debug package? |
| 21:28.57 | mgood7123_ | rip |
| 21:29.06 | phogg | mgood7123_: use a pastebin |
| 21:29.06 | Darby_Crash | teraflops, i have added in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/40-libinput.conf: Option "Tapping" "on" |
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| 21:29.08 | greycat | No, I am actually TRYING to FIGURE OUT the fucking NAMES of the PACKAGES. |
| 21:29.17 | Darby_Crash | and it work |
| 21:29.21 | Darby_Crash | ;) |
| 21:29.26 | greycat | There doesn't appear to be any entry point. |
| 21:29.34 | teraflops | yeah whatever, also your use of caps is really annoying |
| 21:30.28 | greycat | qtbase5-dev is the nearest thing to a starting point I've found so far, but there's no qtbase5-dbg, except it apparently exists as a "virtual package", but nothing provides it according to apt-cache showpkg ... |
| 21:30.29 | mgood7123_ | libqt5gui5:amd64: libqt5widgets5:amd64: libqt5core5a:amd64: libqt5gui5:amd64: |
| 21:31.09 | Darby_Crash | thanks again teraflops :) |
| 21:31.10 | teraflops | mgood7123_: well use dpkg -S for installed packages or dlocate or apt-file or the debian web site |
| 21:31.14 | teraflops | Darby_Crash: np |
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| 21:35.48 | greycat | I see some packages like libqt5webkit5-dbg but not others. Definitely not a 1:1 mapping from all of libqt5* to -dbg |
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| 21:38.13 | jelly | mgood7123_, which debian release is this? |
| 21:38.42 | jelly | stretch has those -dbgsym packages autobuilt, but in a separate repo |
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| 21:38.57 | jelly | because they're huge |
| 21:39.22 | mgood7123_ | parrot os |
| 21:39.25 | greycat | O_o |
| 21:39.29 | mgood7123_ | lol |
| 21:39.31 | greycat | well THAT would explain why I can't find anything |
| 21:39.38 | jelly | mgood7123_, that doesn't sound like debian |
| 21:39.45 | mgood7123_ | it uses apt |
| 21:39.50 | greycat | !based on debianb |
| 21:39.50 | missmbob | !parrot |
| 21:39.51 | greycat | !based on debian |
| 21:39.57 | jelly | mgood7123_, can you reproduce the issue with an actual debian installation? |
| 21:39.59 | greycat | !based on debian |
| 21:39.59 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 21:40.16 | missmbob | !parrot |
| 21:40.17 | dpkg | Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 21:40.43 | greycat | We have no idea how Parrot OS builds and deploys its debug packages. |
| 21:40.49 | jelly | yeah, that'd be the right place to ask. |
| 21:40.53 | greycat | Hell, I didn't even know how *debian* does apparently. |
| 21:41.04 | jelly | if you were running _actual_ debian testing, you'd be pointed at... |
| 21:41.06 | jelly | https://michael-prokop.at/blog/2017/05/26/the-newinstretch-game-dbgsym-packages-in-debianstretch/ |
| 21:41.30 | jelly | apparently, a blog article explaining this dbgsym stuff |
| 21:41.36 | mgood7123_ | ok |
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| 21:42.18 | teraflops | mgood7123_: gross, I behaved badly and you are not even running debian |
| 21:42.22 | jelly | but you're running something similar. We don't know if this advice applies, or if it's going to break your system. You need to ask the people who built it. |
| 21:42.44 | mgood7123_ | it sais #parrotsec :Cannot send to channel |
| 21:43.12 | teraflops | greycat: btw I apologize for what I said |
| 21:43.41 | jelly | mgood7123_, that doesn't sound like "Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org " |
| 21:43.41 | greycat | Maybe they have a policy of waiting to voice you or something. Dunno. |
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| 21:43.53 | greycat | ... or maybe you didn't join the right channel OR the right network. |
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| 21:46.40 | greycat | This blog post forgot one important step: ulimit -c unlimited, to enable core dump files |
| 21:46.59 | greycat | (or the analogous command in non-bash shells) |
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| 21:47.02 | mgood7123_ | i got redirected to IRCForce |
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| 21:51.38 | greycat | well, I attempted to leave a comment on the blog page. don't know whether it will actually work, since I ended up on a blank white page after hitting submit. |
| 21:51.55 | debish | I worked it out, in case anyone is interested: you need to disable both "legacy mode", "legacy usb support" and "secure boot" and enable "UEFI boot". That's all, the installer will boot seamlessly |
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| 21:59.31 | lysobit | hi kcatt |
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| 22:00.07 | Antares | ÑÑÑÑкие еÑÑÑ? |
| 22:00.19 | Antares | а девÑенки? |
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| 22:02.45 | jelly | !ru |
| 22:02.46 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 22:04.50 | jvelasquez | my fresh copy of debian 9, gives an error when I load my word processor: vi: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6: invalid ELF header |
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| 22:05.27 | jvelasquez | libm.so.6 is a pointer to libm-2.24.so, which has some text in it. |
| 22:05.52 | jvelasquez | what did I forget to install? |
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| 22:06.00 | jvelasquez | ld? libc6? |
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| 22:08.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | jvelasquez, when you try to start vi? |
| 22:08.46 | teclo- | that's weird jvelasquez |
| 22:09.08 | teclo- | if vi is there and you installed it using aptitude properly, all the dependencies should be there |
| 22:09.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | Text would be normal for a linker script, some libraries are wired like that. But some other linkers can't read it. |
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| 22:14.30 | jelly | jvelasquez: which word processor is it? What's the full path to the binary? What does "ldd /full/path/to/that/binary" say? |
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| 22:18.11 | jvelasquez | jelly, 12 lines. |
| 22:18.47 | jelly | I don't see how that answers any of my 3 questions. Sorry. |
| 22:19.16 | jvelasquez | jelly, ldd `which vi`, says: vdso, libm, libtinfo, selinux, acl, gpm, dl, c, ld-linux, pcre, attr, pthread |
| 22:19.42 | jelly | pastebin the full output, please, and expand that `whcih vi` for us |
| 22:19.46 | jelly | !paste |
| 22:19.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 22:21.22 | jvelasquez | http://paste.debian.net/956640/ |
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| 22:22.03 | Violinist | vim |
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| 22:48.49 | mgood7123_ | or use bpaste.net |
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| 22:52.46 | mgood7123_ | n im guessing it is cus libm-2.24.so is a corrupted library based on invalid elf header but i could be wrong |
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| 22:56.51 | mgood7123_ | u could do dpkg -S /path/to/libm-2.2.so to find out what package that library belongs to, for example dpkg -S /lib/libhandle.so.1 tells me that the library /lib/libhandle.so.1 belongs to the package xfsprogs (and you can put more then one path in there aswell like dpkg -S /path/to/library1.so /path/to/library2.so and so on |
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| 22:58.51 | jvelasquez | mgood7123_, yea. it's part of libc6 |
| 22:58.51 | mgood7123_ | it also works for symlinks to the library as long as the symlinks are valid (if ls -l /path/to/symlink.so is grey background with red text that means the symlink is invalid in wich the file it is pointing to does not exist) |
| 22:59.38 | jvelasquez | but i think if I had build-essentials or some that ld might be able to link libm from other libs on demand |
| 22:59.48 | jvelasquez | mgood7123_, what's in your libm? |
| 23:00.21 | jvelasquez | cat /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm-* |
| 23:00.26 | jelly | jvelasquez: if you have debsums installed, run "debsums libc6:amd64" |
| 23:00.42 | jvelasquez | did that yesterday |
| 23:00.47 | jvelasquez | it's fine |
| 23:01.06 | jvelasquez | jelly, what does your libm look like? |
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| 23:01.33 | jelly | like a million dollars! What would it look like, it's a file |
| 23:01.53 | jelly | jvelasquez: dpkg -l libc6:amd64 | tail -n 1, which version do you have installed? |
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| 23:02.18 | jvelasquez | 2.23 |
| 23:02.29 | jvelasquez | err, 2.24 |
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| 23:02.33 | jvelasquez | something like that |
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| 23:02.37 | jelly | it's not just 2.24 |
| 23:03.03 | jelly | show the exact value |
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| 23:03.22 | jelly | or paste the whole line verbatim |
| 23:03.24 | jvelasquez | dpkg-query: error: failed to open package info file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 23:03.30 | jelly | ouch |
| 23:04.06 | mgood7123_ | wich can be fixed with ln -s /path/that/symlink/will/point/to /path/to/symlink for example ln -s /newfile /n will create a symlink /n that points to /newfile (note it will give error if the symlink already exists) |
| 23:04.14 | jelly | jvelasquez: your filesystem is corrupted. Possibly a hw issue (could be bad RAM or power supply, not necessarily bad disk) |
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| 23:04.31 | jvelasquez | jelly, I just installed it again a minute ago. |
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| 23:04.44 | jvelasquez | actually, it's still installing |
| 23:04.54 | groenne | lol |
| 23:04.59 | jelly | jvelasquez: '/var/lib/dpkg/status' is main dpkg database, if that's gone missing, you have issues. |
| 23:05.13 | jvelasquez | actually, it is there |
| 23:05.27 | jvelasquez | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 255417 May 31 23:01 status |
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| 23:05.50 | jelly | so... what does "dpkg -l libc6:amd64 | tail -n 1" say? |
| 23:05.55 | jvelasquez | strange, now the command works |
| 23:05.57 | jvelasquez | ii libc6:amd64 2.24-10 amd64 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:06.15 | jelly | and which command did you do when "dpkg-query: error: failed to open package info file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' for reading: No such file or directory" happened? |
| 23:06.25 | jvelasquez | jelly, same command |
| 23:06.51 | jvelasquez | but I was reinstalling the whole thing, it's still going, ohh just finished. |
| 23:06.56 | jelly | jvelasquez: is there anything weird in dmesg (or last 200 lines of it, if there's too much)? |
| 23:07.32 | jvelasquez | dmesg? that's going to give me the host's information. |
| 23:07.38 | jvelasquez | instead of the chroot's |
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| 23:07.57 | mgood7123_ | mine is ii libc6:amd64 2.24-10 amd64 |
| 23:08.07 | jvelasquez | is that sid? |
| 23:08.18 | jelly | yes, at this point I'm considering something may be weird with hardware, and kernel may show clues |
| 23:08.39 | mgood7123_ | apart from that libm does not seem to exist even when i do dpkg -l libm* |
| 23:08.46 | jelly | mgood7123_: that's normal. |
| 23:08.57 | jvelasquez | its dpkg -L libc6 |
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| 23:09.32 | jelly | jvelasquez: does /usr/bin/vi work now? |
| 23:09.51 | mgood7123_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.10 | jvelasquez | jelly, here, you can install it too: http://paste.debian.net/956759/ |
| 23:10.29 | mgood7123_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.32 | jvelasquez | jelly, yep. vi works! |
| 23:10.37 | jelly | there's no chance in hell I'm going to run that |
| 23:11.01 | jelly | jvelasquez: so something managed to corrupt at least that one file |
| 23:11.07 | jvelasquez | no. |
| 23:11.16 | jelly | or you have hw issues, which is worse |
| 23:11.23 | jvelasquez | all I did different was add build-essential |
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| 23:11.54 | jelly | or your environment is very weird and makes it look like there are corrupted files and/or hw issues |
| 23:12.10 | jvelasquez | you can see I added build-essential to line 92 |
| 23:12.16 | cafuego | step 1: `dmesg` |
| 23:12.43 | jelly | asked for dmesg 10 minutes ago |
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| 23:13.02 | mgood7123_ | if a package as <none> does that mean it is not installed |
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| 23:13.33 | jelly | jvelasquez: reinstalling may have masked this symptom for now, but you don't know the cause for that corruption |
| 23:13.34 | jvelasquez | mgood7123_, mean's it's not part of a package. but maybe created by a script |
| 23:13.49 | jvelasquez | jelly, i think i do. |
| 23:13.51 | mgood7123_ | ok |
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| 23:14.14 | jvelasquez | jelly, ld builds that lib on first use, but needs build-essential to do it |
| 23:14.14 | jelly | installing other packages does not cause corruption in libc6 |
| 23:14.42 | mgood7123_ | on my system /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi, /etc/alternatives/vi -> /usr/bin/vim.gtk |
| 23:14.53 | jelly | jvelasquez: uh... no, ld is a build-time linker, it's not called during runtime |
| 23:15.21 | jelly | jvelasquez: and build-essential is _not_ needed for any libc6 component to work |
| 23:15.36 | mgood7123_ | vim-gtk: /usr/bin/vim.gtk |
| 23:15.53 | jelly | and installing unrelated packages would not touch any files provided in libc6:amd64 package, normally |
| 23:15.54 | mgood7123_ | ii vim-gtk 2:8.0.0197-3 amd64 Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor |
| 23:16.10 | jvelasquez | jelly, yes it is. libm is repackaged using an ld build script. |
| 23:16.21 | mgood7123_ | -L does not provide any libraries for it... |
| 23:16.24 | jelly | jvelasquez: repackaged by whom? |
| 23:16.29 | jvelasquez | packaged from two other libraries |
| 23:16.38 | jvelasquez | according to the build script |
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| 23:16.53 | groenne | mgood7123_, heresy |
| 23:17.12 | jelly | jvelasquez: you're not building glibc here. |
| 23:17.27 | mgood7123_ | only /usr/bin/vim.gtk /usr/share/bug/vim-gtk/presubj /usr/share/bug/vim-gtk/script /usr/share/lintian/overrides/vim-gtk and /usr/share/doc/vim-gtk |
| 23:17.49 | jelly | jvelasquez: installation of packages does not involve any building, either. These files are pre-built. That's how binary package distros work... |
| 23:17.54 | mgood7123_ | is that normal? |
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| 23:18.12 | jelly | jvelasquez: what build script are you talking about, precisely? |
| 23:18.48 | jvelasquez | jelly, the ld build script. but I already built it. now I dont have it anymore. |
| 23:18.59 | jelly | jvelasquez: what ld build script? |
| 23:19.00 | jvelasquez | it's only three lines long |
| 23:19.09 | jelly | build script for what? |
| 23:20.02 | mgood7123_ | also how would i deal with multiple symlinks to the same file name but of different versions |
| 23:20.28 | jelly | jvelasquez: debootstrap will install libc6 as part of base system. It doesn't tamper with its files. |
| 23:20.29 | mgood7123_ | for example libc.so.6 and libc.so.4 |
| 23:21.03 | mgood7123_ | assuming both point to different versions of libc.so |
| 23:21.05 | jvelasquez | jelly: https://www.apt-browse.org/browse/ubuntu/xenial/main/amd64/libc6-dev/2.23-0ubuntu3/file/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so |
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| 23:21.59 | jelly | jvelasquez: that's a symlink, part of libc6-dev package, and this symlink is not used by /usr/bin/vi |
| 23:22.24 | jvelasquez | no. it's a 4 line text file. |
| 23:22.52 | jelly | oh, that's new |
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| 23:23.30 | jelly | jvelasquez: is it that way in Debian, tho? |
| 23:23.46 | jvelasquez | yes |
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| 23:24.21 | mgood7123_ | how would i deal with multiple symlinks to the same file name but of different versions, for example libc.so.6 and libc.so.4 both point to different versions of libc.so |
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| 23:24.55 | jelly | mgood7123_: you wouldn't have to deal with them. |
| 23:24.57 | jvelasquez | mgood7123_, those files are vital to your os |
| 23:25.21 | mgood7123_ | then assume the lib is a non vital lib |
| 23:25.27 | jvelasquez | mgood7123_, make a virtual machine of it all, and then mess around with the virt |
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| 23:27.14 | mgood7123_ | for example... /rootv6/lib/libEve.so and /rootv5/lib/libEve.so |
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| 23:27.24 | n_blownapart | hello I have deleted all files including hidden files related to haskell-stack, but when I do $ locate stack, stack hidden files and stack files in Downloads are outputted. I closed term, also tried rebooting. still they show up |
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| 23:27.55 | jvelasquez | n_blownapart, updatedb |
| 23:28.05 | jvelasquez | n_blownapart, will update the locate tool |
| 23:28.29 | mgood7123_ | have u tried find /* | grep "files_related_to_haskell_stack" ? |
| 23:29.20 | n_blownapart | mgood7123_, jvelasquez thanks checking that |
| 23:29.33 | mgood7123_ | note iw will take a VERY long time as it needs to go through every single directory, folder, subdirectory and sub folder |
| 23:29.37 | mgood7123_ | it* |
| 23:30.15 | mgood7123_ | but it can be shortened if u happen to know the directories in wich the files might be contained in |
| 23:30.21 | jelly | jvelasquez: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so is still just a script here, and /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm-2.24.so is not changed after installing libc6-dev:amd64 |
| 23:30.52 | n_blownapart | $ updatedb updatedb: can not open a temporary file for '/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db' |
| 23:31.22 | jvelasquez | jelly, you mean you have it too now? |
| 23:31.39 | jvelasquez | n_blownapart, goot rot? |
| 23:31.59 | jelly | jvelasquez: I just installed libc6-dev:amd64. And it did not touch or change the file from libc6:amd64. |
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| 23:32.09 | at0m|c | n_blownapart: locate -e to show --existing |
| 23:32.22 | at0m|c | or updatedb as root ^^ |
| 23:32.53 | jelly | jvelasquez: so... I have no idea what managed to munge /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm-2.24.so on your end |
| 23:33.21 | jvelasquez | remove build-essential from line 92 |
| 23:33.26 | jelly | this should not happen |
| 23:34.59 | mgood7123_ | how would i deal with multiple symlinks to the same file name but of different versions, for example libEve.so.8.0 and libEve.so.1.0 both point to different versions of libEve.so located in these directories /rootCurrent/lib/libEve.so and /rootOLD/lib/libEve.so and only one of them can be symlinked to usr folder at a time, how would i make it so both can be symlinked at the same time but not conflict due to version differences |
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| 23:35.22 | n_blownapart | still trying to interpret your advice , thanks |
| 23:36.31 | mgood7123_ | and what should i do in the case that the path is hard linked in the binary as /usr/lib/libEve.so |
| 23:36.37 | jelly | mgood7123_: that's not how libraries work on linux. You wouldn't have libEve.so.8.0 and libEve.so.1.0 both point to different versions of libEve.so |
| 23:37.24 | jelly | mgood7123_: if your library's versions have different, incompatible ABIs, they should have different SONAME |
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| 23:38.11 | jelly | mgood7123_: and when they have a different SONAME, those symlinks generated by ldconfig will each point to their own |
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| 23:38.15 | mgood7123_ | technically libEve.so is in two different locations as i mentioned above but obviously they cannot occupy the same folder WITHOUT having different file names |
| 23:38.50 | doc|work | Hi, using debian under kubernetes+docker I get 'unknown filesystem type glusterfs' on boot, but it works fine when I use mount. Anyone know what might cause that? |
| 23:38.50 | jelly | mgood7123_: if you have two incompatible lib versions with same soname, then your vendor is an idiot |
| 23:38.59 | mgood7123_ | lmao |
| 23:39.55 | jelly | mgood7123_: and you probably shouldn't symlink any of those into /usr/lib namespace use for packaged stuff |
| 23:40.18 | jelly | that's what /usr/local/lib is for I guess |
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| 23:41.19 | mgood7123_ | for example libEve.so version 10 may be compatible with the package "root" version 10 but may also not be compatible with the package "root" version 5 and vice versa libEve.so (version 5) may be compatible with "root" version 5 but not with "root" version 10 |
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| 23:41.46 | jelly | mgood7123_: debian solves this by a) using different soname when ABI changes, and b) naming actual files libEve-10.so and libEve-5.so |
| 23:42.23 | mgood7123_ | i know but in the case that the path is hardcoded into the binary itself how would i address that |
| 23:42.39 | jelly | mgood7123_: what does "ldd /path/to/10/root" actually say? |
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| 23:43.02 | n_blownapart | $ sudo locate updatedb . Then $ locate stack , I still get hidden files outputted : ~/.stack ~/.stack-work ~/stack.yaml ~/.local/bin/stack ... In ~/.local/bin there is nothing at all . how can that be coming up with $ locate stack ? |
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| 23:44.12 | n_blownapart | there are no hidden files with .stack after I do $ ls -a |
| 23:45.00 | jelly | n_blownapart: does "locate stack" really show lines of output with ~ character in them? |
| 23:45.31 | mgood7123_ | how do i find out what files are used in a lib |
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| 23:46.25 | n_blownapart | no is that incorrect shorthand for my home dir? /home/john/.stack is the output jelly |
| 23:46.37 | jelly | mgood7123_: ldd works on so library files as well. |
| 23:47.12 | n_blownapart | /home/john/.stack-work etc |
| 23:47.17 | jelly | n_blownapart: alright then. And what does ls -la /home/john/.local/bin/ say? |
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| 23:47.31 | jelly | !paste |
| 23:47.31 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 23:48.01 | n_blownapart | one moment please jelly |
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| 23:48.27 | jelly | n_blownapart: note that "sudo locate updatedb" didn't update anything, it tried to find files with substring "updatedb" in current locate database. |
| 23:48.36 | mgood7123_ | say the package xpdtest has libProof.so as a hardcodded path (wich in ldd gives libProof.so => not found) |
| 23:48.58 | mgood7123_ | and both the package and lib are version 10 |
| 23:49.22 | jelly | n_blownapart: you probably wanted to run "sudo /etc/cron.daily/locate" or even "sudo updatedb" |
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| 23:49.50 | jelly | mgood7123_: please show the full output of ldd and the command itself |
| 23:49.55 | jelly | in a pastebin. |
| 23:49.59 | n_blownapart | jelly https://pastebin.com/hKtqi70G |
| 23:50.21 | mutante | jelly: it's 2 separate commands. first "updatedb" by itself to update the index. and then "locate something" to search it |
| 23:50.37 | jelly | mutante: that's not what they wrote |
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| 23:51.00 | slick | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.06 | jelly | <n_blownapart> $ sudo locate updatedb . Then $ locate stack , I still get hidden files outputted [...] |
| 23:51.08 | mutante | jelly: yea, and as you wrote what they wrote didn't work, so i wrote what should work instead |
| 23:51.15 | mgood7123_ | https://bpaste.net/show/67854392c0f4 |
| 23:51.18 | petemc | just learn to use find |
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| 23:51.27 | jelly | find is slow |
| 23:51.43 | n_blownapart | but I'm getting output for files that are *not* in the directories at all. |
| 23:52.06 | jelly | n_blownapart: that's because locate's database is out of date |
| 23:52.31 | jelly | n_blownapart: your command to update locate's cache was incorrect, see above |
| 23:52.41 | petemc | find may be slow but it's generally always available |
| 23:52.53 | petemc | so worth learning |
| 23:53.41 | petemc | not that i dont think you dont know that, jelly |
| 23:53.55 | jelly | mgood7123_: thne you call xpd with LD_LIBRARY_PATH set to the directory where correct copies of its libs are stored |
| 23:53.57 | n_blownapart | jelly oh the dot? ok one sec |
| 23:54.02 | petemc | also, you're up late |
| 23:54.16 | jelly | that is true |
| 23:54.22 | jelly | woke up too early |
| 23:54.31 | jelly | (yes) |
| 23:54.34 | petemc | :) |
| 23:54.50 | fggfgfg | ps aux shows a SCREEN process from a month ago, why is it upper case? what does it mean? |
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| 23:55.23 | jelly | mgood7123_: try: "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/where/10/lib/is ldd ./xpdtest" |
| 23:55.34 | jelly | mgood7123_: just the directory |
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| 23:56.47 | jelly | fggfgfg: this is the master process that's keeping one of your screen sessions alive. You can list screen sessions with "screen -ls" |
| 23:57.03 | Cyb3r-Assassin | anyone have sources.list available or write up to install a php5 based LAMP setup on a current Jessie system? |
| 23:57.30 | jelly | dpkg, tell Cyb3r-Assassin about jessie sources.list |
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| 23:58.01 | n_blownapart | frustrating ! still getting those files |
| 23:58.07 | jelly | n_blownapart: you probably wanted to run "sudo /etc/cron.daily/locate" or even "sudo updatedb" |
| 23:58.44 | Cyb3r-Assassin | jelly: that doesn't have to do with providing a repo rsync string with a depricated packages. |
| 23:58.46 | wr | how can i see all file changes made between a time period on debian 8.8? |
| 23:59.00 | jelly | Cyb3r-Assassin: rsync? |
| 23:59.13 | jelly | deprecated what? |
| 23:59.19 | fggfgfg | jelly 20925.pts-0.ns3067615(03/05/17 23:04:23)(Detached) <- can I see if it's running something? I don't think it's' being used for anything but I want to make sure before I kill it |
| 23:59.23 | n_blownapart | jelly thanks you RULE. sudo updatedb worked. I thought it required the command itself: locate. thanks! |
| 23:59.40 | Cyb3r-Assassin | jelly: that's how the packagemanager is going to sync the meta package list. |