| 00:00.00 | Cyb3r-Assassin | jelly: php5 is depricated package source. |
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| 00:00.08 | jelly | fggfgfg: you can get back into that session ("reattach") it with "screen -r" |
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| 00:00.12 | jelly | ,v php5 |
| 00:00.12 | judd | Package: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u8; jessie: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1 |
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| 00:00.25 | jelly | Cyb3r-Assassin: php 5.6 is available in jessie. |
| 00:00.51 | jvelasquez | wr, find -cmin +20 -cmin -20 |
| 00:01.12 | petemc | i think not |
| 00:01.19 | Cyb3r-Assassin | jelly: not seeing it. it only wants to recognize php7 |
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| 00:01.29 | jelly | Cyb3r-Assassin: then you're not on jessie |
| 00:01.39 | jelly | Cyb3r-Assassin: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 00:01.55 | jelly | !paste |
| 00:01.56 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 00:02.31 | Cyb3r-Assassin | jelly: no its Ubuntu, I was told it was Debian but they stood up ubuntu |
| 00:02.58 | jelly | Cyb3r-Assassin: ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server then |
| 00:03.11 | jelly | or find the right server |
| 00:05.44 | Cyb3r-Assassin | jelly: be easier to ask on ubuntu and patch this box. Someone already did other stuff on it so I can't put in a ticket for a new one. |
| 00:06.05 | Cyb3r-Assassin | and must be operational bu morning anyways. |
| 00:06.14 | doc|work | anyone? |
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| 00:08.07 | jvelasquez | hey jelly. so you know that debootstrap image I made? |
| 00:08.34 | Cyb3r-Assassin | jelly: https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php and done. thanks |
| 00:08.38 | jvelasquez | jelly, the one with the weird libm issue? the libm issue that was resolved after I rebuilt the whole thing? |
| 00:09.28 | jvelasquez | jelly, so I put it on a usb drive and went to use it. and it worked. Then I used it again, the libm was messed up again! |
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| 00:10.05 | jvelasquez | jelly, I'm going to repeat the whole procedure a few times. fixing it, and watching it break. |
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| 00:14.35 | jelly | doc|work: no, but stupid workaround might be to force module loading via /etc/modules, or even before, add it to initramfs |
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| 00:15.28 | jelly | doc|work: assuming it has a kernel module of its own |
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| 00:15.50 | doc|work | jelly, it's running under docker, so my guess would be it loads modules from the parent node. Would that be right? |
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| 00:21.15 | foul_owl | Hi folks. Having an issue where rhythmbox doesn't save song ratings. I checked and rating are part of the id3 tag spec: http://id3.org/id3v2.3.0#sec4.18 thanks! |
| 00:21.43 | foul_owl | It saves it when I close and open it, but doesn't save it in the file itself. |
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| 00:22.19 | foul_owl | ie, migrating from one system to another. I know I can dump the rhythmbox db, but sometimes that won't work (ie, had errors before about version issues doing that) |
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| 00:24.19 | NapoleonWils0n | hi all |
| 00:24.31 | NapoleonWils0n | just go an error with unbound dns server |
| 00:24.34 | NapoleonWils0n | /var/lib/unbound/root.key has content |
| 00:24.42 | NapoleonWils0n | fail: the anchor is NOT ok and could not be fixed |
| 00:25.36 | NapoleonWils0n | is it the dnssec package that updates the root.key |
| 00:27.47 | rjsalts | unbound-anchor |
| 00:27.48 | NapoleonWils0n | cant i just download a new root.key, or is there a update root key command |
| 00:28.37 | NapoleonWils0n | i dont seem to have an unbound-anchor command |
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| 00:29.18 | NapoleonWils0n | strange says its installed |
| 00:29.19 | rjsalts | NapoleonWils0n: the unbound-anchor package is a dependency of unbound |
| 00:29.33 | NapoleonWils0n | ah probably need to be sudo first doh |
| 00:29.55 | rjsalts | NapoleonWils0n: it will be in /usr/sbin, which won't be in your path unless you're running as root |
| 00:30.32 | NapoleonWils0n | yep needed to switch to sudo first |
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| 00:30.43 | NapoleonWils0n | #unbound-anchor |
| 00:30.56 | NapoleonWils0n | then restarted unbound and no error |
| 00:31.03 | NapoleonWils0n | panic over |
| 00:31.36 | NapoleonWils0n | been trying s3cmd to upload to amazon s3 buckets |
| 00:31.50 | NapoleonWils0n | couldnt get awscli to work |
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| 00:33.22 | rjsalts | KSK rollover doesn't happen until October |
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| 00:40.02 | brenobc | Helo, I am using squid with tproxy in bridge mode, but the traffic is coming in always goes out through the gateway, has anyone had this problem? |
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| 00:49.20 | mgood7123_ | seems like CDE can make any installed package self contained 0.0 |
| 00:49.38 | jvelasquez | how can I monitor a file? /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm-2.24.so ? to watch for a process that edits it? |
| 00:49.46 | mgood7123_ | http://www.pgbovine.net/cde/manual/ |
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| 00:50.56 | mgood7123_ | http://www.pgbovine.net/cde/manual/basic-usage.html |
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| 00:53.08 | jvelasquez | how big are output packages? |
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| 00:53.52 | johnjay | which is the more modern video player, mpv or mplayer or mplayer2? |
| 00:53.59 | johnjay | I have all 3 of those in my repo |
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| 00:58.07 | mgood7123_ | my entire life has been defeated x.x |
| 00:59.13 | jelly | johnjay, mpv if you're on jessie; mpv and mplayer is back again, if on stretch, apparently |
| 00:59.29 | jelly | mplayer2 is out for the play |
| 00:59.51 | johnjay | ok, apt told me "switching to mplayer2" but when I googled for that it says it's a stale fork |
| 00:59.53 | johnjay | thanks |
| 01:00.15 | jelly | mpv also has support for youtube-dl which is sometimes nice |
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| 01:14.25 | jvelasquez | there's got to a somekind of syscall filter that will pause a tree of processes upon requesting a destructive operation on a particular file huh? |
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| 01:18.44 | mgood7123_ | this is as far as iv gotten but NOW it is all for nothing ;-; https://bpaste.net/show/520052ca942c |
| 01:20.19 | jvelasquez | what does it do? |
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| 01:25.05 | mgood7123_ | it meant to download and install any specified package into /Programs/PackageName/PackageVersion/PackageArch then symlink the files to /usr if it is unable to ld certain stuff |
| 01:26.00 | mgood7123_ | like what gobolinux does but instead of compiling from source it installs them directly |
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| 01:26.36 | mgood7123_ | gobolinux.org |
| 01:27.19 | mgood7123_ | but who tf cares cus CDE just eliminates all of that ;-; |
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| 01:29.46 | johnjay | hmm I tried playing a youtube video with mpv. It said Opengl context creation failed and Xvideo doesn't exist. Is that bad? |
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| 01:35.02 | mgood7123_ | but anyone can just do <download package they want then install package> CDE <installed package> <remove downloaded package and repeat> |
| 01:35.06 | mgood7123_ | cus* |
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| 01:35.16 | mgood7123_ | download* |
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| 01:35.36 | fadavi | hello. please help me to solve these errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24732313/ |
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| 01:54.18 | johnjay | What is the correct way to add a script to boot from init.d? The debian wiki suggests either update-rc.d or insserv |
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| 02:07.59 | econdudeawesome | howdy all. I'm back with tales of unrecovered data woes. I overwrote a partition table with gparted (didn't check carefully) and am looking to recover the files. It was NTFS, reformatted to FAT32. Any advice? |
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| 02:08.22 | econdudeawesome | I think I may be lucky in that I didn't overwrite with zeros.. just a quick format |
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| 02:09.49 | nine_milli | hi, i would like to use debian as a computer operating system, but iâve read itâs mainly for smart refridgerators |
| 02:10.47 | jvelasquez | johnjay, what version are you running? |
| 02:11.11 | johnjay | jesse |
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| 02:52.26 | nolsen | Does anyone know where to get the default conf of dhcpcd.conf again? I edited by hand, borked it, and now my pi has no internet. |
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| 02:52.56 | tx | /etc/dhcpd.conf ? |
| 02:52.57 | tx | iirc |
| 02:53.20 | nolsen | tx: Yup. |
| 02:53.32 | tx | oh, where to get the default one |
| 02:53.37 | tx | sorry, I thought you asked where it was :P |
| 02:53.56 | johnjay | want mine nolsen ? |
| 02:54.04 | johnjay | i just started using my pi today |
| 02:54.13 | nolsen | johnjay: yea. |
| 02:54.43 | tx | nolsen: just use "apt-get source isc-dhcp-server" |
| 02:54.51 | tx | get the package source file, the conf is in there |
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| 02:55.04 | johnjay | i just added a line at the bottom about denying wlan0 from starting: http://paste.debian.net/957142/ |
| 02:55.16 | johnjay | also i'm on a rpi right now so idk if that is the same for main debian |
| 02:55.38 | johnjay | tx: i can't even begin to articulate how you would know something like that. :D |
| 02:55.51 | tx | packages have source files |
| 02:55.55 | tx | apt-get can get you source files |
| 02:56.12 | tx | it will extract it for you too, and will make something like isc-dhcp-4.x.x |
| 02:56.16 | tx | as a dir |
| 02:57.01 | tx | conf is in that dir /server/dhcpd.conf.example |
| 02:57.36 | johnjay | my system tells me that /etc/dhcpcd.conf comes from the dhcpcd5 package |
| 02:57.43 | tx | ah cool |
| 02:57.47 | tx | grab that package then :) |
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| 02:58.02 | johnjay | well i'm not the one who needs it |
| 02:58.10 | tx | oh right lol |
| 02:58.18 | tx | well, those two packages have it |
| 02:58.32 | johnjay | my point is it would be more useful to tell him to use 'apt-file search dhdpcd.conf' than to say a package name which might be incorrect |
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| 02:58.40 | tx | true, my bad. |
| 02:58.59 | johnjay | i will admit though i can also download isc-dhcp-server on my system. |
| 02:59.04 | johnjay | so you're not worng |
| 02:59.04 | johnjay | *wrong |
| 02:59.17 | tx | nolsen: can you do a 'dpkg -l dhcp' |
| 02:59.23 | tx | er |
| 02:59.27 | tx | " dpkg -l | grep dhcp " |
| 03:04.27 | nolsen | tx: My pi is headless mode, don't have a usb keyboard for it. |
| 03:04.51 | nolsen | Also, I checked the console using hdmi, and dhcp failed to start. |
| 03:04.58 | johnjay | ah nolsen is a pi user |
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| 03:05.27 | nolsen | Trying to see where does systemctl store its logs. |
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| 03:08.07 | FinnM | go /join maristchat |
| 03:08.51 | FinnM | go /join maristchat |
| 03:08.55 | FinnM | go /join maristchat for a shit time |
| 03:09.01 | FinnM | go /join maristchat for the time of your life |
| 03:09.12 | FinnM | go /join maristchat just do it i need friends to talk to |
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| 03:11.51 | nolsen | dhcpcd.service: control process exited, code=exited status=1 |
| 03:12.47 | nolsen | tx: Where does dhcpcd store its logs? |
| 03:13.01 | nine_milli | debhelper: if thereâs any portion of your cpu that can still op this channel take these chats with you⦠|
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| 03:15.08 | nolsen | .-. |
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| 03:16.13 | yaomtc | Does anyone here use radicale? |
| 03:16.27 | psychoticwarrior | never heard of it |
| 03:16.38 | yaomtc | it's a calendar server written in python |
| 03:16.56 | yaomtc | Radicale is a small but powerful CalDAV (calendars, todo-lists) and CardDAV (contacts) server |
| 03:17.08 | yaomtc | it's in the Debian repos |
| 03:17.33 | yaomtc | I tried to get Davical working, but couldn't. Heard Radicale was simpler. Not really. |
| 03:17.50 | nolsen | Does anyone know where does systemctl stores its logs so I can fix the damn dhcpcd and get online. |
| 03:18.26 | yaomtc | journalctl -u thing.service --since today for example |
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| 03:18.45 | yaomtc | (command doesn't include "for example" obv) |
| 03:19.09 | yaomtc | not exactly the answer to your question but it's a way to read the log anywho |
| 03:20.43 | nolsen | yaomtc: The actual location. |
| 03:20.54 | nolsen | because I cannot access the operating system, because the lack of a usb keyboard. |
| 03:21.24 | tx | are you |
| 03:21.28 | tx | accessing this via the SD card? |
| 03:21.30 | tx | lol |
| 03:22.25 | nolsen | tx: Yes. |
| 03:22.38 | nolsen | And I cannot access it because I don't have a USB keyboard. |
| 03:22.54 | nolsen | I use a laptop, not a desktop, so I lack a USB keyboard. |
| 03:23.07 | nolsen | The only desktop keyboard I have, is a PS/2 keyboard |
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| 03:23.57 | yaomtc | anything in /var/log/messages? |
| 03:25.49 | nolsen | yaomtc: CTRL+F doesn't mention anything about a dhcp |
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| 03:30.56 | nine_milli | on a serious note are there any characters not allowed in filenames in linux (ext4) i think? |
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| 03:41.51 | Darby_Crash | hi guys, someone know retroshare06? |
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| 03:44.54 | Darby_Crash | i have this error on stretch: error 4 in libcrypto.so.1.1 |
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| 05:37.29 | dedime | Has anyone ever had success using HTTPS to load a preseed file during installation? |
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| 05:44.18 | k3rn3lwalk3r | i have a user buy which i run some programs which i dont want to run as root what shell should i give to that user? |
| 05:44.28 | k3rn3lwalk3r | *user |
| 05:44.59 | k3rn3lwalk3r | *i have a user by which i run ...... |
| 05:45.39 | dedime | Is it just a few programs? Or any program, just not as root? |
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| 05:46.39 | k3rn3lwalk3r | the programs i dont want to run as root , i.e whom i dont trust.. |
| 05:48.28 | k3rn3lwalk3r | like irc , freenet etc so i just gksu -u username and program name |
| 05:48.52 | k3rn3lwalk3r | as that user. |
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| 05:55.41 | Ben64 | k3rn3lwalk3r: bash? |
| 05:55.54 | dedime | I think adding a locked system user, with only the groups needed to run the program, would be secure. |
| 05:55.59 | dedime | so yeah, bash |
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| 05:57.48 | dedime | some people use /usr/sbin/nologin but ymmv |
| 05:57.50 | k3rn3lwalk3r | i also want to disable login to that user |
| 05:58.20 | k3rn3lwalk3r | but i want to be still able to run cmds by that user is it posible |
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| 06:01.34 | dedime | I think so. You can lock the account using sudo usermod -L <username> and login using sudo su <username> |
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| 06:02.16 | dedime | basically you'd need root access to login as that user, but regular login using passwords is disabled |
| 06:02.32 | k3rn3lwalk3r | cool thats all i needed thanks |
| 06:02.50 | dedime | np |
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| 06:04.20 | jmcnaught | k3rn3lwalk3r: have you tried firejail? |
| 06:04.36 | k3rn3lwalk3r | no |
| 06:04.39 | k3rn3lwalk3r | whats that |
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| 06:04.57 | k3rn3lwalk3r | dedime, does sudo usermod -L <username> requires restart? |
| 06:05.05 | jmcnaught | https://firejail.wordpress.com/ lets you run programs in containers |
| 06:05.18 | dedime | no |
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| 06:06.09 | jmcnaught | it looks useful for GUI programs, but i've never tried it |
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| 06:06.42 | jmcnaught | if you want to do this for services, look at the directives in "man systemd.exec" for ways to isolate a service unit |
| 06:07.00 | k3rn3lwalk3r | dedime, ok cool it worked |
| 06:07.11 | dedime | wow i fixed something |
| 06:07.13 | dedime | gj me |
| 06:08.14 | k3rn3lwalk3r | hahaha gg |
| 06:08.53 | k3rn3lwalk3r | jmcnaught, seems good i will have a look |
| 06:08.58 | k3rn3lwalk3r | thanks ya awl |
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| 06:16.12 | Aebian | if I set ClientAliveInterval 30 on my sshd config I should be able to pass the IP change from my ISP right? Problem is that the ISP changes my IP daily in the morning so my SSH session will be lost as my connection is down for like 30 seconds to 1 minute or so but for example UDP stuff like teamspeak doesn't care and stays connected |
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| 06:24.44 | dedime | Aebian, I found this https://serverfault.com/a/421289 |
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| 06:30.21 | ludoviko | Hi, I want to install debian in my laptop, and dont have a linux system at hand. Im using RUFUS, an USB with RC4 stretch netinstall but I keep getting the can't find CDROM issue. Is there a way to fix this? I also tried DEBIAN LIVE but keeps failing too... |
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| 06:47.38 | wyre | what do you think about that messages in journal? |
| 06:47.39 | wyre | https://paste.debian.net/957521/ |
| 06:47.44 | wyre | could I fix them? |
| 06:48.08 | wyre | or they are related with stretch stat of testing? |
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| 07:01.15 | k3rn3lwalk3r | i have a folder with bulk of files in it of different types(i.e pdf,jgg,png ) but ,all are named with one extension .jpg how can i remame all of them by their orignal extensions (i can find the type of file by cmd "file filename.jgp) |
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| 07:02.18 | theraspberry | ludocode: It could be a BIOS setting related with virtualizing USB's |
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| 07:03.11 | theraspberry | I know I've had issues installing on poweredge servers while the emulation for USB storage media was set to "Floppy Disk/Auto" instead of "HardDrive" |
| 07:03.49 | theraspberry | Run though the BIOS and start trying things that might affect boot devices. |
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| 07:04.33 | theraspberry | I personally just rip the ISO images straight to the USB, I never have used rufus to do that. |
| 07:05.55 | theraspberry | If your system has secure boot, turn that off if you can too. just to test. |
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| 07:21.05 | wyre | is not pepperflashplugin-nonfree in stretch? |
| 07:22.35 | at0m|c | ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:22.36 | judd | Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib: 1.8.1+deb8u1; sid/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1 |
| 07:23.59 | wyre | judd, then, ... how could I install it in Stretch? |
| 07:24.24 | at0m|c | wyre: judd us an info bot |
| 07:24.27 | at0m|c | *is |
| 07:24.34 | wyre | sorry xD |
| 07:24.41 | wyre | I want ask you hehe |
| 07:24.49 | wyre | I did want* |
| 07:25.02 | at0m|c | i have no idea. only that judd stated the available versions^ |
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| 07:30.57 | wyre | at0m|c, and is not either chrome in repos? |
| 07:31.15 | at0m|c | ,v chrome |
| 07:31.16 | judd | No package named 'chrome' was found in amd64. |
| 07:31.21 | at0m|c | ,v chromium |
| 07:31.22 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 58.0.3029.81-1; sid: 58.0.3029.96-1; experimental: 59.0.3071.71-1 |
| 07:31.29 | at0m|c | chrome is in google repo's? |
| 07:32.13 | at0m|c | !chrome |
| 07:32.13 | dpkg | from memory, chrome is Mozilla's term for a theme or skin, or "Google Chrome", a web browser by Google based on Chromium, ask me about <chromium>. For VIA UniChrome / Chrome9 support, ask me about <openchrome>. |
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| 07:37.48 | wyre | at0m|c, what do you think about that? http://i.imgur.com/yspDHeI.png |
| 07:37.55 | wyre | I've got installed the packages |
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| 07:40.50 | wyre | at0m|c, as you can see |
| 07:40.50 | wyre | https://paste.debian.net/957637 |
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| 07:42.31 | at0m|c | https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer |
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| 07:46.48 | at0m|c | wyre: stretch isn't finished/released yet, so maybe that package will come one of these. can't make that up from https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:47.26 | wyre | at0m|c, it's a library |
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| 07:47.46 | at0m|c | wyre: yes, belonging to a package |
| 07:48.08 | wyre | should belong to flashplayer-nonfree |
| 07:48.25 | at0m|c | ,v flashplayer-nonfree |
| 07:48.26 | judd | No package named 'flashplayer-nonfree' was found in amd64. |
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| 07:49.18 | pragomer | hi. Im under debian kde. I can start a specific programm (in my case "bluefish") with a specific gtk-theme via: |
| 07:49.25 | pragomer | "GTK_THEME=Breeze-Dark bluefish" |
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| 07:49.54 | pragomer | but if bluefish is called e.g. from within filezilla the theme-choosing is ignored of course. can I realize this somehow? |
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| 07:50.19 | hmpf | Hello! |
| 07:50.19 | hmpf | I have a question about config files. |
| 07:50.39 | pragomer | tell us your question |
| 07:50.49 | wyre | at0m|c, flashplugin-nonfre i meant |
| 07:50.51 | wyre | at0m|c, flashplugin-nonfree i meant |
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| 07:52.03 | hmpf | we're trying to set up a complete system non-interactively. One issue that comes up is customizing ocnfig files. |
| 07:52.03 | hmpf | There is the site https://wiki.debian.org/ConfigPackages that tells me to divert the config files in a package. |
| 07:52.03 | hmpf | But then I find http://debiananwenderhandbuch.de/dpkg-divert.html (sorry, it's in german) that tells me that dpkg-divert is specifically not for conf files. |
| 07:52.03 | hmpf | What is the proper thing to do. |
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| 07:53.28 | hmpf | sorry, server kicked me out for flooding. |
| 07:53.40 | hmpf | so the question in shorter pieces: |
| 07:53.45 | hmpf | we're trying to set up a complete system non-interactively. One issue that comes up is customizing ocnfig files. |
| 07:53.48 | hmpf | There is the site https://wiki.debian.org/ConfigPackages that tells me to divert the config files in a package. |
| 07:53.52 | hmpf | But then I find http://debiananwenderhandbuch.de/dpkg-divert.html (sorry, it's in german) that tells me that dpkg-divert is specifically not for conf files. |
| 07:53.56 | hmpf | What is the proper thing to do. |
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| 07:54.17 | hmpf | An example is lighttpd.conf. Or dhcpcd.conf. |
| 07:54.31 | wyre | i which package is included libpepflashplayer.so? |
| 07:54.49 | at0m|c | pragomer: bluefish also sources ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
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| 07:55.18 | pragomer | this config file is ingnored.. you can set there whatever you want. |
| 07:55.23 | pragomer | seams to be a bug. |
| 07:56.01 | pragomer | however "GTK_THEME=Breeze-Dark bluefish" as a starter works well for me... except when bluefish is called from within filezilla |
| 07:56.15 | pragomer | (where I can only define /usr/bin/bluefish as default editor) |
| 07:56.35 | at0m|c | pragomer: maybe more on https://bfwiki.tellefsen.net/index.php/Editor_Appearance_Customization |
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| 07:57.12 | at0m|c | or use an alias? |
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| 07:58.28 | pragomer | already tried that link. also this file is ignored. |
| 07:58.52 | pragomer | I thought about an alias.. but an alias would only be for a terminal command, or not? |
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| 07:59.41 | pragomer | nope.. a simple alias in .bashrc does not help |
| 08:00.28 | pragomer | I already added GTK_THEME=Breeze-Dark bluefish to the "exec" of the starter in /usr/share/applications/bluefish.desktop |
| 08:00.39 | pragomer | but no sucess |
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| 08:03.00 | sidetracking | my gf and my macbook pro :^) http://i.imgur.com/NFHv9Qr.jpg |
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| 08:04.10 | jobor | So who do I bother if I'd like to have a package description changed (in this case https://packages.debian.org/stretch/qbs)? The maintainers mailing list? |
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| 08:14.11 | jelly | jobor: file a bug report, of Severity: minor probably, against that package |
| 08:14.19 | jelly | !reportbug |
| 08:14.19 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
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| 08:45.26 | hmpf | Can someone point me in the right direction for non-interactive system config with packages? |
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| 08:47.41 | sine0 | I have ssh on my debian server 22 want to be able to access my home router .0.101 how do I setup a tunnel for home.com:22 > 0.101 over ssh |
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| 08:49.49 | angor | sine0: debian has 2 IPs, local and internet? |
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| 08:51.48 | angor | sine0: my home debian has local network and internet connection, to access my local resources I'm using DNAT, no need to use ssh-tunnels |
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| 08:54.48 | mast | I'm trying to diagnose frequent system crashes on an system running 3.2.0.4 debian. I can't seem to figure out if its related to frequent monit warnings due to space usage limits on attached media drives, or CRON |
| 08:55.20 | mast | the install partition is itself not full, though some of the attached drives are |
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| 08:58.59 | jelly | mast: neither disk usage nor cron itself would cause a crash |
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| 08:59.17 | jelly | is the system pingable after such a "crash"? |
| 08:59.20 | mast | That's what I'm confused about |
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| 08:59.41 | jelly | anything on the console? |
| 08:59.51 | jelly | anything in logs after restart? |
| 08:59.56 | mast | No response via ssh |
| 09:00.06 | jelly | not ssh, ping |
| 09:00.11 | jelly | and console. |
| 09:00.15 | sine0 | angor: i only have headless |
| 09:00.48 | mast | Checking the logs shows a load of monit warnings, and a message about Cron |
| 09:01.18 | jobor | (Sorry to ask again, our quassel core died.) Who do I bother when I'd like to have a package description changed (https://packages.debian.org/stretch/qbs)? The maintainer mailing list that's linked on the package page? |
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| 09:01.41 | jelly | jobor: just file a bug report, with reportbug |
| 09:01.55 | jelly | !reportbug |
| 09:01.55 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
| 09:02.12 | mast | I'm sorry I didn't think to check ping. I will attempt to crash the system again and try that thanks jelly |
| 09:02.25 | jobor | jelly: ok, will do. Thanks. |
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| 09:05.39 | jelly | mast: did you check if there's anything on its console? |
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| 09:17.40 | angor | sine0: PM me details, what exactly you have |
| 09:17.56 | mast | I didn't see anything helpful in the syslog |
| 09:18.11 | mast | jelly |
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| 09:19.07 | mast | Is this channel usually flooded with people who have no idea what they're doing? Is there a better place for me to ask basic questions? I'd rather not flood it with my problems. I have been looking for resolutions to this for the past 45 min, though, without finding much help |
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| 09:20.12 | petn-randall | ,kernels |
| 09:20.13 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.25-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1) |
| 09:20.55 | mast | I've read that this sort of halting can be triggered by large rsync jobs, but I'm at a bit of dead end |
| 09:21.29 | petn-randall | mast: It's a large channel, we have people asking basic questions up until very special and peculiar questions. Everyone gets help if they adhere to the channel rules. :) |
| 09:22.47 | mast | Okay thanks. I have 20 years experience with computers, but I never made the jump to linux so I'm very aware of the position of ignorance I'm coming from. |
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| 09:23.17 | mast | And I did check the rules, and have looked for almost an hour before coming and asking for help |
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| 09:25.31 | petn-randall | mast: Yeah, the first step I'd try is to reproduce the issue. If the kernel dies, it usually gives you a kernel panic on the console, which gives you a hint what happened. If there's no kernel panic, it might be that it's actually running but just so busy that it looks like it crashed. |
| 09:26.15 | mast | so busy I wouldn't even be able to ssh into it? |
| 09:26.55 | mast | There is no kernel warning once the system stops responding |
| 09:27.16 | petn-randall | mast: And this is a stock wheezy installation? |
| 09:27.41 | mast | In multiple instances the last messages on the system log are monit mentioning space usage matching resource limit |
| 09:28.33 | petn-randall | mast: Can you somehow trigger the crash? |
| 09:29.06 | mast | Its actually openmediavault, which is built on debian 3.2.0.4 |
| 09:29.37 | petn-randall | mast: Ah, in that case: |
| 09:29.41 | petn-randall | !openmediavault |
| 09:29.41 | dpkg | OpenMediaVault is a NAS operating system with a web-based control panel. It is <based on Debian> but not supported in #debian. Support can be found at http://wiki.openmediavault.org/ and #openmediavault on irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:29.54 | mast | I actually just did. Large file transfers to the system appear enough to do it |
| 09:29.56 | petn-randall | mast: They might be able to help you with your issue. ^^^ |
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| 09:32.16 | mast | I'll try them again. When I was in last the channel didn't seem to have folks knowledgable enough to help. I figure I'd ask in here in the meantime, though I'll follow your advice and ask them again |
| 09:32.49 | mast | thanks again |
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| 09:35.36 | polysics | !kernel |
| 09:35.40 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.12-rc3, stable 4.11: 4.11.3, stable 4.10: 4.10.17 (EOL), longterm 4.9: 4.9.30, longterm 4.4: 4.4.70, longterm 4.1: 4.1.40, longterm 3.18: 3.18.55 (EOL), longterm 3.16: 3.16.43, longterm 3.12: 3.12.74 (EOL), longterm 3.10: 3.10.105, longterm 3.4: 3.4.113, longterm 3.2: 3.2.88, linux-next: next-20170601 |
| 09:35.41 | polysics | !kernels |
| 09:35.44 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.12-rc3, stable 4.11: 4.11.3, stable 4.10: 4.10.17 (EOL), longterm 4.9: 4.9.30, longterm 4.4: 4.4.70, longterm 4.1: 4.1.40, longterm 3.18: 3.18.55 (EOL), longterm 3.16: 3.16.43, longterm 3.12: 3.12.74 (EOL), longterm 3.10: 3.10.105, longterm 3.4: 3.4.113, longterm 3.2: 3.2.88, linux-next: next-20170601 |
| 09:35.45 | polysics | ok, thanks :) |
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| 09:41.06 | petn-randall | polysics: You can also query dpkg so you don't have to pollute the channel. Just '/query dpkg' and ask away. :) |
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| 09:41.28 | polysics | petn-randall: sorry, I will |
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| 10:46.05 | larvallid | i installed Debian 9 RC4 using the official DVD image, and wifi worked out of the box (although there are still problems with it). i did not install anything other than the OS, and do not expect there to be any nonfree firmware. i thought the realtek driver was nonfree software, and therefore should not be included with the official OS. can someone explain why wifi works? |
| 10:47.29 | shtrb|work | Are you sure that A. the device is really realtek one (lspci/lsusb) and B. nonfree package had not been installed (via dpkg) ? |
| 10:47.37 | shtrb|work | Good morning to all |
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| 10:52.01 | petn-randall | larvallid: Most wifi and Ethernet devices, and all Intel/AMD CPUs come with firmware on chip by default. It's just that some firmware is so old and buggy that it doesn't work without a newer version. |
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| 10:52.11 | larvallid | shtrb|work, A. i am sure the wifi adapter is realtek RTL8821AE. on debian 8, it didn't work until i installed nonfree firmware (either firmware-realtek or lwfinger/rtlwifi_new drivers). B. i installed "debian-stretch-DI-rc4-amd64-DVD-1.iso", which i believe is the official image, which never contains nonfree software. i have not supplied the debian installer with firmware packages, nor have i installed packages after |
| 10:52.11 | larvallid | the OS has been installed. on system startup, i can see the lines "failed to load rtlwifi/rtl8821aefw.bin (-2)" and another line for "rtl8821aefw_wowlan.bin". however in the OS, if i bring up network settings, i can see all nearby networks and connect to my own. |
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| 10:53.46 | larvallid | petn-randall, does that mean i /am/ running nonfree software, which is being supplied by the hardware to the OS? (btw, the wifi adapter did not work out of the box on debian 8.) |
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| 10:57.20 | shtrb|work | larvallid , maybe the newer kernel can support some features that you are using know ? |
| 10:58.49 | larvallid | shtrb|work, possibly. in that case, has the realtek driver been reverse engineered? debian wiki says my wifi adapter will only work with a nonfree driver. |
| 10:59.40 | shtrb|work | not really , maybe some work had been ported but not all |
| 10:59.53 | shtrb|work | you can try an updated kernel on older version |
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| 11:01.06 | larvallid | shtrb|work, alright. if i have time i will try that. a higher priority is to get the wifi working, since with both firwmare-realtek 0.43 and the debian 9 out-of-box firmware, the wifi connection will drop after a while. i am leaving now. (will stay connected to read messages when i come back) |
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| 11:02.46 | new-nick | hi there all |
| 11:02.49 | shtrb|work | Check for why it drops , my common cases are pcie power issues (APM) , bluetooth interfirence and incorrect regulation code (incorrect code) |
| 11:02.52 | shtrb|work | hi there new-nick |
| 11:03.11 | new-nick | is there any application like this https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=krasilnikov.alexey.cryptopass |
| 11:04.57 | new-nick | for Debian package ? I am not sure what phrase to search for this type of application/programme. A application provide long string of password by given secret key or master password. This is like pass word generator but not pass word manager. |
| 11:05.58 | new-nick | So all way have to remember master pass code/ secret word (along with Website URL) to generate unique pass word |
| 11:05.58 | shtrb|work | new-nick , that's actually not that secure option at all |
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| 11:06.13 | new-nick | what about using command line to generate |
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| 11:07.08 | new-nick | Wait, I never used pass word generator. Does all pass word generator provide just random keys/password ? |
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| 11:09.43 | shtrb|work | new-nick , why not use a password manager with different passwords per site ? |
| 11:10.06 | shtrb|work | and let your browsert negotate with it |
| 11:10.06 | shtrb|work | or get it manually |
| 11:10.46 | new-nick | I am doing it as ur suggestion. |
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| 11:11.29 | shtrb|work | many DEs has their own password managers, like kwallet for instance |
| 11:12.23 | new-nick | but with this kind of password generator, all one has to remember master key, secret code along url/website name to get provide an unique password and able to retrieve the password again. |
| 11:12.26 | new-nick | and nothing saved on the disk |
| 11:13.29 | new-nick | can we use DE password manager to input on browser? |
| 11:13.49 | shtrb|work | yes (firefox + kwallet ) |
| 11:13.51 | shtrb|work | for example |
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| 11:20.38 | new-nick | I am using using Gnome and Seahorse keyring. It is not working with firefox. I try to get kwallet. |
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| 11:20.40 | shtrb|work | new-nick , encyption in that mode is as safe as you store your initial password secret |
| 11:20.53 | shtrb|work | *master password |
| 11:20.57 | new-nick | the reason of using this method that to copy of list of password on Android as well |
| 11:22.00 | new-nick | r u saying its safe to decrypt gpg password and copy to password file,given master password is secured ? |
| 11:22.23 | shtrb|work | to be clear , I'm not saying PBKDF2 is not secure , I'm saying it is secure as long as your master password and salt are not revaled |
| 11:22.54 | shtrb|work | nothing is really "safe", there are different threat models |
| 11:23.45 | new-nick | I understand that totally that nothing is safe. I am talking about just basic to interimedate level of password keeping |
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| 11:24.38 | shtrb|work | I belive that transfering the derived results to a device (but not deriving them on the safe device) , and never using the original master password on said device should provide some security |
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| 11:25.41 | new-nick | not quite get this part. Still little novice on security :) |
| 11:26.03 | shtrb|work | I'm pre coffee state , so I might be not clear |
| 11:26.10 | new-nick | if u can, rewrite in simple sentence ols |
| 11:26.18 | new-nick | haha |
| 11:26.31 | jelly | new-nick: I'm told keepassxc has a firefox plugin |
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| 11:27.43 | new-nick | yup, but after a week research, I dropped, Keepass2, KeepassX, KeepassXC |
| 11:28.07 | shtrb|work | ne-nick: If you generate your passwords on one machine A using K1, and you transfer the passwords to machine B (via DOK ? ) ,you never generate passwords or use that K1 on machine B nor connect machine A to machine B |
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| 11:28.27 | new-nick | so basically, using Firefox inbuilt pass-word manager(not sure how secure) and GPG password list file. |
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| 11:29.17 | shtrb|work | (*) If you like password managers |
| 11:30.39 | new-nick | well, I like password manager and but not really able to sure Keepass2 or KeepassXC. And basically, the requirement to use password list on Debian and Android |
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| 11:32.59 | shtrb|work | encrypted file on disk , your clipboard will give away your password but it is still safer |
| 11:34.09 | shtrb|work | *as you said , encrypted file |
| 11:35.13 | shtrb|work | And sometimes your provider is an asshole who has an MITM .... so there is that |
| 11:35.46 | shtrb|work | "legal MITM for the security of your children" |
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| 11:37.09 | new-nick | great ! I have encrypted file with gpg. and whenever it decrypt, it out put plain password list of file. I going to use encrypte password string and store on it. rather than the file |
| 11:37.46 | shtrb|work | just don't have the gpg derived from the same password as per site one |
| 11:38.07 | new-nick | what ? |
| 11:38.30 | shtrb|work | your gpg key should not be derived from your master key to encrypt all other passwords |
| 11:38.57 | new-nick | u mentioned clipboard gives away password, any trick to solve it though ? |
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| 11:39.25 | shtrb|work | if your gpg key is mysecretpassphrase23 , your master key should not be mysecretpassphrase1 |
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| 11:39.50 | shtrb|work | new-nick , your clipboard (clipboard managers) on the same account may hold the things you copy paste |
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| 11:39.56 | new-nick | oh, i set separate to encrypt for all other password |
| 11:40.18 | shtrb|work | so if you copy a pwd from a file to paste it to a form it holds your password |
| 11:40.28 | shtrb|work | it = clipboard manager |
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| 11:42.05 | new-nick | "your master key should not be mysecretpassphrase1" --- I am all using pass phrase for gpg. And where the master key comes in, since we elimate master password/password manager here |
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| 11:43.15 | shtrb|work | When I mentionted master key I thought you are using a hash function with a master key to generate per website password |
| 11:44.10 | new-nick | I am aware that copying a password string will remain with clipboard manager. So for now I am doing this method with trusing that no other app copying from clipboard. But is there any know way to shred/delete from clipboard once we pasted. |
| 11:44.12 | shtrb|work | if all passwords do not share the same key (no two passwords have two shared sources , and no password repeat ) - you are "safe" |
| 11:44.12 | new-nick | Keepass provide limited time to paste from clipboard. Can we do it manually? |
| 11:45.47 | new-nick | " you are using a hash function ", interesting and I will be checking out to use hash function to master key. |
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| 11:46.37 | shtrb|work | going to grab some coffee , he is not clear anymore |
| 11:46.52 | new-nick | You are really helpful with all these. Wi |
| 11:47.07 | new-nick | enjoy ur coffee |
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| 11:52.12 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
| 11:52.21 | shtrb|work | new-nick , there are many methods to choose keys, common one include passphrases, alpha numeric strings (usually short) , derived strings. Derived strings are the result from hash function with salt and password (like PBKDF2 but any other good hashing function would work) |
| 11:52.23 | colo-work | having "experimental" in sources.list available won't have any implicit effects, right? I mean I'd always have to explicitly opt into installing something from there |
| 11:52.49 | shtrb|work | Hiyass BluesKaj , a great morning to you and all |
| 11:53.06 | shtrb|work | colo-work , it will only enable to install from there |
| 11:53.22 | shtrb|work | unless you are not using apt/aptitutde |
| 11:53.34 | BluesKaj | 'Morning shtrb|work |
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| 11:53.54 | Mutter | Hello |
| 11:54.46 | new-nick | great shtrb. I am learned quite alot from you today |
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| 11:56.37 | shtrb | new-nick , If you are intersted check Introduction to cryptography and Network Security it was a really nice read |
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| 11:57.54 | brenobc | Helo. I'm configuring a bridge between eth0 and eth1, traffic only exits through the default gateway, no matter if I configure routes manually. Has anyone had this problem ? I'm configuri tproxy. |
| 11:58.44 | new-nick | I wish to read but quite handful nowadays and trying to increase the security as little as everyday. Thank u for the suggestion |
| 11:58.48 | new-nick | U r awesome |
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| 12:01.30 | dob1 | not sorry i mean set ssl-allow true |
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| 12:21.35 | polysics | hey! yet another question for you patient people |
| 12:21.59 | polysics | I compiled a new kernel (needed a specific patch) and when booting into it, X does not start automatically |
| 12:22.07 | polysics | do I need to go set something somewhere? |
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| 12:28.22 | towo^work | polysics, be more precise |
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| 12:28.49 | polysics | machine goes to console login instead of autostarting X like it does with the other kernel |
| 12:28.56 | polysics | which does not make a whole lot of sense. |
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| 12:29.27 | AlienCat | I cannot see a certain wireless network but I can see other networks. How can I fix that? My phone can see the wireless network but the computer cannot |
| 12:29.42 | AlienCat | Anyone knows what I can check? |
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| 12:32.15 | towo^work | polysics, again, too less info |
| 12:32.35 | towo^work | only the kernel does not change anything in autostarting of x |
| 12:33.03 | towo^work | and no one knows how you have compiled and installed that secret kernel |
| 12:33.48 | polysics | it is a vanilla kernel i compiled using make-kpkg |
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| 12:34.19 | towo^work | make-kpkg is crap |
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| 12:34.43 | towo^work | and if you use 3rd party graphics drivers, they have to be compiled against that new kernel |
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| 12:44.09 | dqsii | personally i have an amd ati card i like to stick with the gallum open source driver i dont have any issues with it and its less hassle when i get a new kernel cause i use the testing branch |
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| 12:47.50 | shtrb | AlienCat , are they listed when you perofrm iwlist wXXXX scan ? |
| 12:48.43 | shtrb | They can be working in N mode and your wifi has 11_n disabled or not supported |
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| 12:51.23 | shtrb | polysics , make sure all modules loaded , check dmesg syslog for any errors |
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| 12:51.41 | AlienCat | Not found with iwlist, other computers can find it but not mine |
| 12:52.02 | shtrb | AlienCat , does it work on N ? |
| 12:52.04 | shtrb | the station |
| 12:52.49 | AlienCat | well I do not know |
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| 12:53.31 | shtrb | check if you disabled n mode (or if you have running bluetooth now), try disabling bluetooth / enabling N if the card support |
| 12:53.50 | AlienCat | the card says IEEE 802.11bgn |
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| 12:54.18 | shtrb | ok , your card should support N , check if you disabled N with an argument |
| 12:54.36 | AlienCat | also I do not run bluetooth as far as I know |
| 12:54.51 | shtrb | That are the only blocking options I could think of :-( |
| 12:55.08 | shtrb | check with iw list wXXX to see if N is supported by the driver |
| 12:55.34 | AlienCat | some other dude told me something about band |
| 12:56.06 | shtrb | oh , different regulatory settings |
| 12:56.18 | shtrb | or 2.4 vs 5 ghz |
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| 12:57.43 | AlienCat | could be a regulary thing |
| 12:57.48 | AlienCat | I am in china |
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| 12:57.55 | AlienCat | currently |
| 12:58.38 | petn-randall | larvallid: Yes, the BIOS usually has microcode for your CPU. Everything after skylake (?) doesn't work without. |
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| 13:01.46 | shtrb | AlienCat , first check if your card is support 5G (iwlist wXXX freq) and check on what band the wifi works there |
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| 13:02.26 | AlienCat | nope not 5ghz |
| 13:02.34 | shtrb | if the station is on 5Ghz but your wifi doesn't support it , it will not work |
| 13:02.34 | shtrb | oh |
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| 13:07.01 | buu | Hey |
| 13:07.02 | AlienCat | I will try to login to router later |
| 13:07.22 | buu | Does anyone know of a program that takes a series of urls and performs bandwidth comparisons against them from a single host? |
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| 13:07.32 | buu | sort of like netselect |
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| 13:09.38 | shtrb | buu , mtr ? |
| 13:10.05 | shtrb | not realy bandwith check but is a good messure |
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| 13:13.01 | buu | shtrb: mmm, maybe |
| 13:13.18 | shtrb | I don't know what you are trying to mesaure really |
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| 13:14.28 | shtrb | oops , mtr will not spawn per url only take the last |
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| 13:16.47 | polysics | shtrb: display-manager.service is apparently failing to start |
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| 13:17.27 | shtrb | polysics , with what error ? |
| 13:17.28 | buu | shtrb: Well, basically I'm trying to figure out which server in europe has the best route/bandwidth to my current location |
| 13:17.40 | buu | So I have lists of urls to test files and I want to know which one will give me the highest bandwidth |
| 13:17.50 | polysics | No such file or directory. |
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| 13:19.41 | shtrb | buu , debian or some kind of cdn ? |
| 13:19.56 | towo^work | [15:17:50] <polysics> No such file or directory. <= that's never the complete error |
| 13:20.10 | towo^work | polysics, and again, provide all relevant infos |
| 13:20.11 | shtrb | if debian you can setup httpredir |
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| 13:20.22 | polysics | Cannot add dependency job for unit display-manager.service, ignoring: Unit display-manager.service failed to load: No such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status display-manager.service' for details. |
| 13:20.39 | shtrb | polysics , try to paste little bit more info on a paste site |
| 13:20.52 | towo^work | which hardware, which driver? |
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| 13:21.11 | polysics | there is literally nothing else, status just returns "not loaded" and the same error |
| 13:21.31 | towo^work | the whole error is in Xorg.0.log |
| 13:21.34 | shtrb | you will need to use systemctl or grab info directly from syslog + messages |
| 13:21.41 | shtrb | and X/Wayland files |
| 13:21.50 | polysics | this is a normal PC with an MSI enbedded graphic card |
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| 13:22.01 | polysics | ok, so I need to go through those first. Thanks :) |
| 13:22.13 | polysics | it's not that I don't want to provide data :) |
| 13:22.20 | shtrb | polysics , check towo^work comment first |
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| 13:27.50 | shtrb | buu , debian or some other cdn ? |
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| 13:30.32 | Resilience | Jello to everyone, I am going to install vbox from its own repository (https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Debian_9_.22Stretch.22) and I would like to know two things, 1) Can I know what packages are from what sources? and 2)if sometime in future I want/need to remove the sources from vbox, then I can erase all the packages from that source? thanks in advance |
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| 13:32.44 | shtrb | Resilience , you will have some hard time to identify if you don't remember all |
| 13:33.00 | shtrb | but you could search for packages which are no longer listed and to remove them |
| 13:33.39 | Resilience | shtrb, to ermeber the packages? but, the packages come fromm the source right? |
| 13:33.59 | shtrb | list all currently packages , for each package if it does not exist in current source add to list of files to remove |
| 13:34.27 | shtrb | I mean, if you forgot what you have installed other than vbox and whish to drop it |
| 13:34.52 | shtrb | usually if a pacakge is no longer needed it wil be listed in a special list for autoremove |
| 13:34.53 | Resilience | to list the packes was.. dkpg -l right? |
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| 13:36.16 | Resilience | shtrb, to list the packes was.. dkpg -l right? |
| 13:36.42 | shtrb | you can also use dpkg --get-selections | Â cut -f1 (for installed only) |
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| 13:37.26 | Resilience | shtrb, aha, and, how can I know waht pacakges are not in the curren /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 13:37.47 | towo^work | apt-show-versions |
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| 13:38.25 | themill | !not available |
| 13:38.26 | dpkg | To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 13:39.04 | towo^work | hm i find apt-show-versions | grep No more easy and shorter |
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| 13:41.52 | shtrb | Resilience , but I hope they will be nuked by autoremove |
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| 13:42.30 | shtrb | just remember autoremove can sometimes be fatel |
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| 13:43.19 | Resilience | aha, thanls themill, thanks shtrb |
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| 13:45.40 | Resilience | mmmmm I have done the comman dline from themill and I get a list of packages, but, they have the flag i, are insttalled... and they are alot f packages that sohuld be updated... what is happening? |
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| 13:49.20 | shtrb | Resilience , did you remember the "|grep no" |
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| 13:52.52 | Resilience | shtrb, I have just tried now, it works, or at least it says No available version etc... ok, that works, but I was wondering about the command line from themill |
| 13:53.17 | themill | apt-show-versions frequently gets things wrong |
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| 13:57.34 | polysics | towo^work: the whole Xorg.0.log is here |
| 13:57.34 | polysics | https://gist.github.com/lpradovera/a115d36b4fbd53347bfa26f9b5ecbdfe |
| 13:58.02 | polysics | note that startx does oddly work. |
| 13:58.32 | polysics | oh, so maybe startx overwrote this? |
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| 13:58.50 | greycat | yes, startx overwrites Xorg.0.log each time |
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| 14:07.37 | Resilience | themill, ok, apt-show-versions ge things wrong, but, why the line that you have put says that the packages are installed? |
| 14:08.15 | themill | it shows that packages are installed if they are |
| 14:08.22 | themill | I'm not sure how else to answer that question |
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| 14:08.31 | shtrb | what about deinstall state ? |
| 14:08.59 | shtrb | ignore , brain fart |
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| 14:10.48 | Resilience | themill, I asked what pacakges are not yet available when deleting some sources from /etc/apt-sources.list, the order you put listed some files I am using as "not available" (not true, because I am updating&& dist-upgrading them) and list them as installed, so I don't udnerstand waht pacakes is listign that command line |
| 14:10.51 | polysics | greycat: but there is no Xorg.0.log if I just reboot and X fails to start |
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| 14:12.03 | greycat | Which version of Debian are you on? How are you attempting to start x? startx, or a display manager? If it's startx, are you running it as yourself, or as root? |
| 14:12.56 | greycat | dpkg, xorg.0.log is in /var/log/ unless you are on stretch-or-later and running startx as non-root. Then it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/ |
| 14:12.56 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
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| 14:14.18 | greycat | tries to parse "I asked what pacakges are not yet available" and fails |
| 14:14.41 | greycat | linux-image-7.0.0 is not yet available. Does that make the list? |
| 14:14.57 | polysics | I am running as root on Debian 7 |
| 14:15.11 | greycat | then there should be a /var/log/Xorg.0.log file if you ran "startx" |
| 14:15.15 | polysics | starting using startx |
| 14:15.28 | polysics | the issue here is that X fails to autostart, but it does work with startx |
| 14:15.44 | petn-randall | polysics: How do you autostart it? |
| 14:15.44 | greycat | What does autostart mean? Did you install a display manager? If so, which one? |
| 14:15.49 | polysics | so I think that log is actually no useful in this particular case? |
| 14:15.54 | polysics | lxdm |
| 14:15.56 | Resilience | greycat, you should read a few lines before, it was about deleting sources from /etc/apt/sources-list and knowing which packages are not yet available because of the deleted sources |
| 14:16.12 | greycat | You mean "no longer available"? |
| 14:16.36 | greycat | If you want to know which packages are in which wource, DO NOT delete the source, just look in /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 14:17.13 | greycat | How do you expect your computer to know what information was in a file that you deleted? |
| 14:17.14 | shtrb | greycat , assume a package that once existed and no more exist (for example alsa-base ) |
| 14:18.05 | greycat | !xy |
| 14:18.05 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
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| 14:19.05 | themill | Resilience: real output would be useful. Your summaries are not providing any information that will help us help you |
| 14:19.23 | shtrb | greycat , it's not that hard actually he can relay on autoremove or checking what installed packages are no longer exist to see what he can drop |
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| 14:19.38 | shtrb | themill , didn't you mean polysics ? |
| 14:19.44 | greycat | shtrb: what problem is he trying to solve? |
| 14:19.44 | themill | no |
| 14:19.46 | shtrb | *don't you mean |
| 14:20.02 | greycat | "rely on autoremove" for what? |
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| 14:20.13 | shtrb | greycat , if he forgets what package he installed and droped the sources |
| 14:20.36 | shtrb | relay on autoremove if he removes a packages installed from the new sources |
| 14:20.42 | Resilience | it is easy, as i stated in my first line |
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| 14:21.17 | greycat | 09:30 Resilience> Jello to everyone, I am going to install vbox from its own repository ... 1) Can I know what packages are from what sources? |
| 14:21.20 | shtrb | Resilience , hopefully their repository is sane , and you could just remove vbox and use autoremove to drop all the dependencies |
| 14:21.28 | greycat | Look in /var/lib/apt/lists/ BUT DO NOT remove the source first, duh. |
| 14:21.46 | greycat | 09:30 Resilience> ... 2)if sometime in future I want/need to remove the sources from vbox, then I can erase all the packages from that source? |
| 14:21.50 | greycat | NO. |
| 14:22.07 | greycat | You can try to hack up some godawful atrocity like with the dmo stuff. |
| 14:22.11 | Resilience | going to add some sources (for vbox) and IF in the future I need to remove that sources, I WANT the packages from THAT sources (vbox) to be removed from the PACKAGES LIST (I know tat with apt-get autoremove the PACKAGES are removed, but I want to be removed from the PACKAGE LISTINGS) |
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| 14:22.29 | greycat | !dmm remove |
| 14:22.29 | dpkg | If you want to remove the packages from deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends $(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f; install the still missing packages which were removed in the former process ... |
| 14:22.39 | greycat | That is what you are dealing with for your part 2. |
| 14:22.51 | shtrb | now , I don't understand you |
| 14:23.03 | shtrb | apt-get remove --purge virtualbox* should do the trick |
| 14:23.07 | themill | Resilience: apt does not know where you installed packages from. It knows from where you might try to reinstall the same package right now. |
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| 14:23.26 | shtrb | but for my knowldge there is no list that says this deb come from that repo |
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| 14:24.11 | Resilience | ok, and is there any way to earse ALL the package listings anddownload resh from the sources? |
| 14:24.12 | greycat | 10:22 Resilience> ... IF in the future I ... remove that sources, I WANT the packages from THAT sources (vbox) to be removed from the PACKAGES LIST |
| 14:24.18 | greycat | Just run apt-get update |
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| 14:24.57 | Resilience | greycat, that erases the packages not present in the current spurces? (if /etc/apt/sources.list is modified I mean) |
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| 14:25.11 | greycat | It removes the lists from /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 14:25.29 | colo-work | does stretch still support /etc/rc.local? |
| 14:25.35 | greycat | yes |
| 14:25.41 | colo-work | awesome; thanks |
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| 14:26.19 | greycat | You can even do "systemctl status rc.local" to see when it ran and so on. |
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| 14:27.09 | Resilience | than ks greycat shtrb and themill |
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| 14:28.12 | themill | Resilience: if you want to remove packages that aren't referenced in the current sources.list, then change "search" to "remove" in that insane aptitude command that dpkg gave you earlier. |
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| 14:29.31 | NeilHanlon | I've got a bit of an odd issue on my system.. if I leave it at the office overnight, a few hours after I leave it starts sending ~300 DHCP RENEW requests to our DHCP server an hour |
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| 14:29.49 | NeilHanlon | Apparently over my wlan0 interface--but I have wifi turned off. |
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| 14:30.05 | NeilHanlon | I wasn't able to find any dhclient bug reports.. anyone know where I could look further? |
| 14:30.38 | shtrb | openvpn / dhcp server running , laptop wakeup from sleep and try to reconnect ? |
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| 14:33.02 | Resilience | themill, ah, I was wondering if I was the only one thinking it was some kind of insane xD |
| 14:33.10 | tsuyubo | hi, folks, i have a question when install libnl-3.0 from source code |
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| 14:33.32 | NeilHanlon | shtrb: no dhcp server--I've got a cisco anyconnect vpnagentd process |
| 14:33.52 | NeilHanlon | laptop doesn't sleep (or shouldn't sleep).. and even if it was, 300 DHCPRENEW/hr seems very high |
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| 14:34.39 | shtrb | I have no idea about that software , but could it trigger dhcp requests ? |
| 14:34.45 | shtrb | if yes , it could be the culprint |
| 14:35.17 | NeilHanlon | I don't think it should be... but I guess it's possible |
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| 14:36.00 | shtrb | can you reproduce the issue without leaving the office ? |
| 14:36.31 | shtrb | I mean stop using the pc for some time (maybe some script is run after the lock screen is set) |
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| 14:40.49 | NeilHanlon | It's an unfortunately a pretty long timeout when it starts. ~3 hrs |
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| 14:41.03 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:41.49 | shtrb | NeilHanlon , check your DE maybe it has some time based scripts |
| 14:43.17 | helpImStuck | is it normal to find a file named screendump.txt on your "server"? |
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| 14:43.48 | greycat | Depends on what kind of "server" it is. |
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| 14:43.59 | greycat | If it's serving user home dirs over NFS, no filename would surprise me. At all. None. |
| 14:44.24 | helpImStuck | greycat, found it in my vpn config dir.. |
| 14:44.26 | greycat | (OK, a filename that is the empty string might surprise me,) |
| 14:45.24 | helpImStuck | which audit tool do you recommend to keep an eye on the system? |
| 14:45.41 | shtrb | NeilHanlon , did you check your timers, maybe it is run on a specific hor ? |
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| 14:46.31 | NeilHanlon | shtrb: where would I be looking for those? |
| 14:47.56 | shtrb | bloody erogant pigeons |
| 14:48.01 | shtrb | sorry , not for this channel |
| 14:48.11 | greycat | "arrogant" |
| 14:48.19 | petn-randall | erdogan? |
| 14:48.32 | shtrb | Sorry , pasted in the wrong channel .... |
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| 14:48.55 | shtrb | they don't leave even if I throw a paper on them or ask them nicly to leave |
| 14:49.46 | shtrb | greycat , thanks for the fix |
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| 14:50.50 | shtrb | NeilHanlon , under /etc/systemd/system or /etc/systemd/user |
| 14:51.11 | shtrb | also check crontab and cron |
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| 15:01.08 | NeilHanlon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:01.29 | shtrb | :-/ , anything in the DE itself ? |
| 15:02.32 | shtrb | you didn't say (Or I missed it while trying to shew this %@%2 ) does it happen on the same time each time or just X hours after you stop using the pc ? |
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| 15:03.39 | shtrb | *shoo |
| 15:04.18 | NeilHanlon | doesn't seem to be time based |
| 15:04.20 | greycat | a really big sheeeww |
| 15:04.24 | NeilHanlon | according to the splunk logs I'm looking at |
| 15:05.37 | shtrb | NeilHanlon , do you have some special dhcp attributes at the office (geo location for instance ) ? |
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| 15:05.48 | shtrb | and does it uses the same option each time ? |
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| 15:06.51 | AtheroS__ | hello, i try to login via ssh and i get this : https://pastebin.com/raw/9dPgQxxG |
| 15:07.02 | AtheroS__ | can someone help me please ? |
| 15:07.20 | shtrb | some office started to set the geo location, and if your SIP phone need to reregister it may trigger new dhcp request |
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| 15:09.05 | greycat | AtheroS__: what were you expecting instead? Have you intentionally disabled password auth fallback on the dropbear raspbian server? Is *either* system actually Debian? |
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| 15:09.40 | NeilHanlon | AH |
| 15:09.50 | NeilHanlon | actually no nevermind |
| 15:10.10 | NeilHanlon | I was going to say I have my ethernet chained off my cisco phone, but these are wireless DHCP requests |
| 15:10.11 | shtrb | NeilHanlon , can you try drop the cisco thingy to verify if it not the cause ? |
| 15:10.14 | NeilHanlon | http://i.imgur.com/6hFo2OS.png |
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| 15:10.52 | NeilHanlon | shtrb: I can try to stop it |
| 15:11.13 | shtrb | but if you have VoIP / XCAP device behind it I would also check that |
| 15:12.13 | shtrb | you can try to trigger the phone reregister if you restart it (power off/on) or bump it's clock |
| 15:12.20 | shtrb | it is usually enough |
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| 15:14.42 | rjsalts | So, it looks like I may have suffered some data integrity issues on root filesystem, I now have a bunch of file in lost+found. Is there any way to compare md5/sha1/sha256 hash of those files with stuff in Contents/apt-file? |
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| 15:15.15 | NeilHanlon | shtrb: yeah my point is that the DHCPRENEWs are coming over my wlan0, not eth0 |
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| 15:15.47 | NapoleonWils0n | hi all |
| 15:16.02 | NapoleonWils0n | im trying to find a tool to upload to amazon s3 |
| 15:16.12 | NapoleonWils0n | tried awscli but didnt work at all |
| 15:16.44 | shtrb | NeilHanlon , do you have xcap or any sip phone on that machine ? |
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| 15:17.12 | NapoleonWils0n | s3cmd also has problems uploading files, even small 3mb files |
| 15:17.12 | NeilHanlon | shtrb: I have a physical cisco SIP phone that I use to passthrough my ethernet |
| 15:17.23 | NeilHanlon | laptop -> phone -> ethernet jack |
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| 15:19.11 | shtrb | what happen if you plug the ethernet cable from the wall socket ? |
| 15:19.18 | shtrb | *plug out |
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| 15:20.03 | shtrb | will the phone try perform DHCP on the way to your laptop |
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| 15:21.54 | glick | hi everyone |
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| 15:22.12 | NeilHanlon | no it doesn't go that way shtrb (or, it shouldn't) |
| 15:22.23 | NeilHanlon | it should only send out on its main interface |
| 15:22.40 | glick | question... what does {debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)} in PS1 prompt string mean? |
| 15:22.54 | NeilHanlon | plus we have other people with this setup (different OS) that don't have the issue |
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| 15:23.19 | greycat | glick: it's a variable substitution. If that variable isn't set, nothing happens. |
| 15:23.50 | glick | what does it do? |
| 15:24.11 | greycat | It expands to the value of the variable in parentheses, if it is set. |
| 15:24.40 | NapoleonWils0n | apart from s3smd and awscli are there any other amazon s3 uploaders |
| 15:24.47 | NapoleonWils0n | cant seem to get either to work |
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| 15:25.07 | NapoleonWils0n | only thing i have found that works is cyberduck on the mac |
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| 15:27.56 | Darby_Crash | hey NapoleonWils0n i'm a your fan :) |
| 15:28.32 | Darby_Crash | Carpenter rules ;) |
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| 15:29.18 | Darby_Crash | hi guys, i have a issue with libcrypto on Stretch |
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| 15:30.40 | Darby_Crash | segmentation fault using retroshare06 |
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| 15:32.58 | Darby_Crash | Jun 1 05:56:50 debian kernel: [ 3873.636941] RetroShare06[9149]: segfault at 12 ip 0000xxxxxxxxxxxx sp 0000xxxxxxxxxxxx error 4 in libcrypto.so.1.1[7f8b20950000+264000] |
| 15:33.54 | greycat | Why do you believe this to be an error in the library, vs. an error in the application that used the library? |
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| 15:34.13 | Darby_Crash | because it work well on Jessie |
| 15:34.22 | greycat | Lots and lots of perfectly cromulent C library functions will segfault if you pass NULL pointers to them unexpectedly. |
| 15:34.36 | Darby_Crash | and other users have the same issue |
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| 15:34.39 | greycat | *what* works well on jessie? what program? what happened? |
| 15:35.59 | Darby_Crash | https://github.com/RetroShare/RetroShare/issues/264 |
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| 15:36.12 | Darby_Crash | greycat, please read it |
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| 15:36.32 | greycat | Is "retroshare" the name of the application? |
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| 15:37.48 | Darby_Crash | yes |
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| 15:38.00 | Darby_Crash | this is my similar issue |
| 15:38.01 | Darby_Crash | https://github.com/RetroShare/RetroShare/issues/666 |
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| 15:39.27 | greycat | This channel won't have the technical expertise (or time or interest) to debug a C application segfaulting inside a crypto library. You'll need to take it up with the authors of the application, and they can help you with gdb and stack traces and so on, if they think that'll help them. |
| 15:39.28 | Spec | looks like they recompiled the sauce against the correct libraries and it resolved the issue? |
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| 15:40.26 | Darby_Crash | Spec, i've compiled retroshare but i have the same issue |
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| 15:41.21 | Darby_Crash | maybe, i can try to change libssl version, right? |
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| 15:42.07 | Spec | Darby_Crash: sorry, greycat's advice is the one to follow now, seek upstream help |
| 15:43.22 | Darby_Crash | thanks guys, sorry the question |
| 15:43.26 | glick | hmm |
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| 15:43.37 | glick | i cant figure out how my bash prompt is generated |
| 15:43.45 | glick | im reading my .bashrc file |
| 15:43.58 | greycat | what are you confused about? |
| 15:44.02 | glick | and the PS1 setup is a little confusing and doesnt seem to match what i see |
| 15:44.31 | greycat | PS1 contains a series of magic symbols that bash interprets and expands |
| 15:44.51 | glick | this is my prompt |
| 15:44.58 | glick | \[\e]0;\u@\h: \w\a\]${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ |
| 15:45.20 | greycat | which part do you want to know about? |
| 15:45.55 | glick | nothing in .bashrc seems to match that |
| 15:46.16 | Spec | check /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 15:46.32 | greycat | No, it should be coming from his ~/.bashrc which in turn may have come from /etc/skel/.bashrc at the time his account was made. |
| 15:46.50 | greycat | Unless he or his sysadmin has done something weird, but that looks very much like the Debian PS1, so.... |
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| 15:47.46 | Spec | ah yeah |
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| 15:49.21 | glick | im trying to change my prompt |
| 15:49.30 | glick | and finding it very difficult to do |
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| 15:49.48 | greycat | PS1='\h:\w\$ ' |
| 15:49.51 | Violinist | how come debian doesnt follow profile.d/scripts |
| 15:50.04 | greycat | wooledg:~$ ls /etc/profile.d |
| 15:50.04 | greycat | bash_completion.sh |
| 15:50.18 | greycat | It's there. You can use it. |
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| 15:50.27 | Violinist | i cant use it |
| 15:50.44 | Violinist | profile.d never gets picked up on debian but ubuntu it does |
| 15:50.56 | greycat | wooledg:~$ grep profile.d /etc/profile |
| 15:50.56 | greycat | if [ -d /etc/profile.d ]; then |
| 15:50.56 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:56.23 | glick | sweeet changed my prompt |
| 15:56.27 | glick | :) |
| 15:56.34 | glick | im a hacker! |
| 15:56.48 | glick | thats a joke |
| 15:57.31 | shtrb | glick , hacker used to mean a person who use the tools for his needs |
| 15:57.56 | glick | shtrb: i know. it still means that. but i dont think changing a shell prompt qualifies for use of the term |
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| 15:59.53 | greycat | If you've *seen* some of the prompt questions we get in #bash you might not think of it as such a joke. ;-) |
| 16:00.13 | Violinist | somehow a cow got into my server |
| 16:00.23 | JPT | Was it a Dirtycow? |
| 16:00.23 | Violinist | its staring at me now |
| 16:00.32 | greycat | Ask it to mooove somewhere else. |
| 16:01.11 | shtrb | NeilHanlon , do you get an IP from both the ethernet and the wifi ? |
| 16:01.11 | Violinist | hmm |
| 16:01.21 | Violinist | i might have to write an animated shell |
| 16:01.32 | Violinist | any1 thot of this already? |
| 16:01.42 | NeilHanlon | shtrb: yeah |
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| 16:03.57 | greycat | You could create a terminal emulator that draws cowsay style graphics, presenting the actual terminal inside a speech balloon. |
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| 16:04.49 | shtrb | NeilHanlon , assuming two dhclient , one could try to reqest if the ethenet link goes down |
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| 16:05.06 | shtrb | can you check in your legs , when the laptop start to request if link went down or something |
| 16:05.23 | shtrb | you can see in your past logs under /var/log/... |
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| 16:05.46 | greycat | Yup, check your legs and feet to see if you kicked the cable. |
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| 16:06.27 | shtrb | lol |
| 16:06.33 | shtrb | or if there is a cat around |
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| 16:12.10 | Violinist | argh |
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| 16:12.24 | Violinist | gona have to move development to localhost |
| 16:12.27 | Violinist | damit |
| 16:12.52 | Violinist | connection too slow |
| 16:13.50 | bdax | Hi everyone. I'm on Debian Jessie, and looking to install a 'unified' theme that makes qt4, qt5 and gtk applications look the same, such as 'breeze' or 'adwaita'. Does anyone know if it's possible to install these on jessie? |
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| 16:17.41 | bdax | nvm, think I've got it, thanks |
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| 16:36.43 | new-nick | hi there |
| 16:37.00 | new-nick | any idea of the date of Debian Stretch 9 is releasing? |
| 16:37.01 | shtrb | welcome back new-nick |
| 16:37.11 | shtrb | 16/06 |
| 16:37.20 | shtrb | *17 |
| 16:37.23 | shtrb | in the topic |
| 16:37.23 | new-nick | Hey there, shtrb, glad you are still around |
| 16:37.24 | greycat | new-nick: /topic |
| 16:37.38 | new-nick | What |
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| 16:38.28 | new-nick | Ok, I am going to get a copy today and to try to fresh install on separate partition. |
| 16:38.51 | shtrb | new-nick , what ? why ? |
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| 16:39.06 | greycat | Why not? |
| 16:39.31 | new-nick | Can we able to same partition location as the OS and set it as bootable ? |
| 16:39.44 | greycat | One OS per partition, please. |
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| 16:39.56 | shtrb | greycat , I think reinstalling should be the last resosrt |
| 16:39.57 | new-nick | What is for the in the topic |
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| 16:40.15 | greycat | shtrb: he didn't say "reinstall", he said "install" |
| 16:40.33 | greycat | granted, he appears to have some trouble with English |
| 16:40.35 | new-nick | oh ok I got the release date. |
| 16:40.36 | shtrb | greycat , sorry , I missed that |
| 16:40.43 | dontknow | debian 9 is rock solid here |
| 16:41.07 | greycat | ETA = Estimated Time of Arrival, if that's what was tripping you up |
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| 16:43.57 | new-nick | greycat, I understand 1 OS person partition and that's how I have installed. I kept the Windows as it comes with OEM. I remember, I installed Jessie June 2015 and keep it updated. But I not sure whether I install Jessie Grub on Windows bootloader partition. |
| 16:44.42 | greycat | If your windows partitions cover the entire disk, SHRINK one of them to a smaller size, and create a new partition inside the free space. |
| 16:45.27 | new-nick | I am going to install Stretch freshly on separate partition and just checking whether to able to install Grub boot loader on same partition as Stretch or I let the OS installer update/replace current Grub |
| 16:46.42 | greycat | The boot loader goes on the DISK, not on a partition. |
| 16:47.13 | new-nick | Since I will be trying "testing" Stretch now, I don't want mess with current Grub. (better do a backup of Grub partition?) |
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| 16:47.38 | greycat | Grub doesn't use a partition. It writes to the start of the disk. Outside of all partitions. |
| 16:48.05 | new-nick | AFAIK, Windows create very first partition of 100 MB for bootloader and rest for OS partition. |
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| 16:48.30 | greycat | Then leave that windows partition alone. Don't touch it. Don't even look at it. |
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| 16:48.49 | greycat | If you mean an EFI partition, that's slightly different, and Debian may or may not put things inside it. |
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| 16:49.24 | shtrb | lol |
| 16:50.09 | new-nick | And with Gparted, I see /dev/sda2 , fat32, /boot/efi 260 MB. flagged as boot. So, I guess this is where bootloader/Grub installed with just 260 MB partition ? |
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| 16:50.12 | shtrb | Depening on the provider , there can be a number of parttions , in case of windows up to 3 (restore , windowws , factory) to one |
| 16:50.22 | shtrb | it can be MBR or GPT and many others |
| 16:50.22 | greycat | EFI. Yeah, that's ... the EFI partition. |
| 16:50.36 | greycat | Just leave it alone. |
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| 16:50.49 | shtrb | new-nick , brick EFI and you brick the laptop |
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| 16:52.01 | new-nick | But, any way, since I am not familiar with Grub, I take your words and learn the Grub doesn't use partition but use begining of disk. is there a way to back up Grub before installing Stretch ? (believe Stretch will replace current Grub |
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| 16:52.49 | greycat | I wouldn't bother trying to make a backup of the boot loader. If disaster happens, you can just boot from the installation medium again. |
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| 16:53.14 | new-nick | that's sound a relief |
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| 16:54.10 | new-nick | apart from the bootloader, is it ok to download Stretch to start with it even before release date? |
| 16:54.23 | greycat | Yes. Lots of us have been using it for a while now. |
| 16:54.44 | greycat | This close to release, it's not likely to change very much. |
| 16:55.24 | new-nick | awesome |
| 16:55.41 | BluesKaj | stretch runs just fine here, no problems at all |
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| 16:55.44 | shtrb | new-nick , debian is like a rock, it rigid and usually will not brake but when it does you have a mess |
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| 16:56.23 | new-nick | I want to have separate copy of OS. I have been messing up Jessie for some time. Fresh and clean start will be ok to me . |
| 16:56.26 | greycat | That kind of breakage is usually reserved for unstable. |
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| 16:56.56 | BluesKaj | shtrb, it only brakes for oncoming traffic and it won't break if it does :-) |
| 16:57.02 | new-nick | And I want to have a backup Os. |
| 16:57.44 | greycat | new-nick: if you're going to keep both versions around for a while, the thing you want to understand about grub is that any time you upgrade certain packages on EITHER system (kernel, udev, other stuff that goes in the initramfs), it'll use THAT system to modify grub. |
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| 16:58.48 | new-nick | Ok, two weeks ago, I apt upgrade as usual but after 1.5 month break, and having a issue to be resolved till today by apt upgrading daily. |
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| 16:59.53 | new-nick | issue is that I have not had before. When even the computer screen goes to sleep and I wake it up, the cursor disappear. But able to click on the button element but no cursor on the screen. |
| 17:00.30 | new-nick | The only way I get back the cursor, to blindly navigate to menu and log myself then resume to get the cursor. |
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| 17:01.17 | new-nick | I have been waiting it to resolved after few updates, till today, I am facing the issue that I disabled screen going blank. |
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| 17:01.53 | new-nick | But any way, enough issues, I neglecting this problem and hopefully get sorted with future apt upgrade. |
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| 17:04.08 | new-nick | Grey, "it'll use THAT system to modify grub" -- for this I plan to separate install Grub on separate location ? WIll it works ? |
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| 17:04.30 | greycat | It'll work, but each time you upgrade, it'll modify the grub menu (potentially). |
| 17:04.47 | greycat | upgrade on stretch -> grub changes. boot into jessie. upgrade on jessie -> grub changes. |
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| 17:05.53 | new-nick | greycat. ha ha, thank u for this point out. Other wise, I will be in a mess. |
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| 17:06.12 | shtrb | mess can be fun sometimes |
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| 17:06.59 | new-nick | Guys. I came from Windows environment and very much not getting hold to Grub for now. |
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| 17:07.21 | shtrb | new-nick , grub is not that different from ntldr and friends |
| 17:07.28 | new-nick | shtrb, sure but I am not affordable with time. |
| 17:07.28 | shtrb | it's just better , easier to maintaine and just works |
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| 17:08.10 | new-nick | I read this : if you don't like the unencrypted /boot partition, you could boot the system off a USB key, which you can keep separate from the system except for when booting and upgrading the kernel. All you need to do for that is install the bootloader and kernel onto the device and configure it to use the proper encryption volume on the harddisk as root filesystem. |
| 17:08.31 | greycat | you're not using disk encryption, are you? |
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| 17:08.40 | shtrb | you don't really have an option with an encrypted boot parttion ... |
| 17:08.42 | new-nick | isn't mean that we can choose the location/partition in installer to install GRUB MBR ? |
| 17:09.03 | new-nick | No, I am not using disk encryption. |
| 17:09.26 | shtrb | grub can be installed on the first 446 bytes of the first "sector" on the bootable disk |
| 17:09.27 | greycat | then ignore that entire thing you are reading |
| 17:09.46 | shtrb | and it is usullly enough (install on MBR /GPT) |
| 17:10.20 | new-nick | No on, I am not concern of encryption at all. Just want to see the possiblities to choose location for MBR installation. |
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| 17:11.08 | shtrb | didn't you say you have EFI ? |
| 17:11.13 | greycat | He did. He does. |
| 17:11.24 | new-nick | For WIndows, I had 3 OS with 3 MBR.separately. I can boot to each OS by setting MBR as boot flag |
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| 17:11.37 | greycat | You are confused. You do not have "3 MBRs". |
| 17:11.53 | shtrb | MBR - from 0 to 446 byte in the first sector |
| 17:12.03 | shtrb | *sorry just first sector |
| 17:12.07 | bjorn__ | Hi guys, i need help for a problem about Adobe AIR 2, some1 is free ? :) |
| 17:12.17 | greycat | The MBR is the first part of the disk, bytes 0 through 511, used on legacy msdos disk booting setups, *NOT* on (U)EFI. |
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| 17:13.24 | new-nick | ok, I guess what I have on other 3 partition with 100 MB ? |
| 17:13.40 | greycat | We don't know what partitions you have. You could run fdisk -l and see. |
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| 17:14.03 | shtrb | If that is factory , it can be the the windows boot , protective mbr , or factory reset |
| 17:14.11 | shtrb | *freedos parttion |
| 17:14.15 | Crell | Hello. What's the easiest way to determine if a given package was compiled with a certain flag? |
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| 17:14.39 | greycat | Crell: download the sources (deb-src, apt-get source, etc.) and read the debian diffs |
| 17:14.55 | Crell | Hm, it wouldn't be listed in the online index somewhere? |
| 17:15.08 | greycat | Unless that *specific* program has some command-line option to tell you how it was built. Some do. |
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| 17:16.23 | Crell | (I'm specifically trying to determine if memcached has igbinary enabled.) |
| 17:17.41 | Crell | Where would the debian diffs be? (I've not dug into deb source package internals before; I'm just looking on the anonscm.debian.org site at the moment.) |
| 17:17.51 | shtrb | greycat ,he also need to read the Makefile / rules file |
| 17:18.26 | greycat | Well, the *easiest* thing to do would be apt-get source, which extract and applies the diffs for you. Then you can just read foopkg-x.y.z/debian/rules which is a Makefile. |
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| 17:25.10 | Crell | greycat: I'm not actually on the system with the package; I'm building a container. :-) I'm just a bit surprised that this information isn't otherwise available.; |
| 17:25.36 | greycat | Doesn't matter what system you're on. You can apt-get source anywhere, as long as it's the same release. |
| 17:25.49 | Crell | It's not. Hang on, let me dig up a VM. |
| 17:26.09 | Crell | (My laptop is Ubuntu, the container I'm building is debian stretch.) |
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| 17:40.50 | Walakea | how can i check my CPU chache sizes? |
| 17:41.44 | greycat | get the CPU model number out of /proc/cpuinfo and google it? |
| 17:41.50 | sonOfRa | cat /proc/cpuinfo will show some information. That will give you your model and make, and then you can look up the exact specs on the manufacturer site |
| 17:42.20 | greycat | oh, there's actually a "cache size" *in* /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 17:42.45 | greycat | so, whatever that means, there you go. numbers. :) |
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| 17:43.36 | Walakea | running it through grep gives me 4Ã the same 2 numbers |
| 17:43.42 | greycat | 4 cores |
| 17:44.19 | Walakea | that would be it |
| 17:44.32 | Walakea | but aren't there more levels of cache? |
| 17:44.45 | sonOfRa | try lscpu |
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| 17:44.55 | sonOfRa | Not sure what package it's in, not running a debian right now |
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| 17:45.04 | Walakea | that's it, thanks |
| 17:45.49 | greycat | it's in util-linux |
| 17:45.51 | Walakea | i thought they are smaller |
| 17:45.57 | Walakea | smallest is 32 K |
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| 17:46.40 | Crell | greycat: OK, I booted a VM and apt-get source'd memcached. Where does it store the source packages, though? |
| 17:46.52 | greycat | wherever you are |
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| 17:47.05 | Crell | Oh! cwd? That's... not at all what I expected. |
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| 17:47.57 | sonOfRa | Crell: it's so that you can do it as a regular user, and not just the root user :) |
| 17:48.10 | Crell | That makes sense, I suppose. Just not what I expected. |
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| 17:48.26 | Crell | The rules file has no mention of "igbinary", so I'm going to assume it's not enabled. That's unfortuntae. |
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| 17:56.37 | pie3 | anyone streamed/mirrored from android to laptop? |
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| 18:13.44 | glick | pardon why is this command not working |
| 18:13.49 | glick | am i not understanding how xargs works? |
| 18:13.57 | glick | find ProSpanish/ -name "*.ogg" -print0 | xargs -0 mv {} {}.test |
| 18:13.58 | greycat | Oh god, xargs. |
| 18:14.14 | glick | lol |
| 18:14.21 | glick | whats wrong with xargs |
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| 18:14.31 | greycat | You need a shell. find blah -name '*.ogg' -type f -exec sh -c 'for f do mv "$f" "$f.test"; done' x {} + |
| 18:14.41 | greycat | /msg greybot xargs |
| 18:14.57 | glick | that starts a new shell for every arg found |
| 18:15.04 | greycat | No, it doesn't. The + groups them. |
| 18:15.18 | greycat | That's why there's a for loop inside the inner shell. |
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| 18:16.15 | glick | what does the x {} + bit do? |
| 18:17.34 | greycat | This is a work in progress, but it explains: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/GreyCat/BashProgramming/03 |
| 18:17.51 | greycat | See also http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind |
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| 18:18.40 | glick | cool greycat |
| 18:18.48 | glick | nice guide |
| 18:19.14 | spacebug^ | when I'm going to upgrade to Stretch - should I first disable my backport.list for apt? |
| 18:19.16 | jhutchins_wk_ | greycat: Got anything on ssh tunneling? |
| 18:19.30 | greycat | Yes, but it's very old. |
| 18:19.40 | greycat | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/SshTunnel |
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| 18:20.36 | greycat | spacebug^: shouldn't matter, really. |
| 18:21.48 | spacebug^ | greycat: ok, thanks |
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| 18:23.25 | webuser5- | Hello everyone |
| 18:24.44 | webuser5- | How does one keep their system secure? |
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| 18:25.13 | greycat | Apply security patches regularly, don't break things yourself. |
| 18:25.29 | webuser5- | My precise question would be: are there many attacks who target default packages of, say, Debian Stable? |
| 18:25.51 | webuser5- | Or are they mostly happening when the users uses a browser, surfs the web and downloads and opens files? |
| 18:26.02 | webuser5- | which* |
| 18:26.14 | greycat | Most attacks on Unix/Linux systems would be against network-listening services like Apache or sshd. |
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| 18:28.35 | webuser5- | Also including something like package managers? |
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| 18:29.41 | greycat | I'm not sure what you are thinking of. If you want to break into someone's system by offering them a package to install, you don't NEED a vulnerability in the package manager. The package is installed as root. Just put your malicious code directly in the package (e.g. in the postinst script). |
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| 18:39.13 | pie3 | any mint user? |
| 18:39.25 | greycat | !mint |
| 18:39.25 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 18:39.27 | towo` | this is a debian channel |
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| 18:39.43 | webuser5- | And for a Desktop system that doesn't host content via something like a webserver? What would be the most critical applications? |
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| 18:39.58 | greycat | If it's a desktop box, probably your web browser. |
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| 18:40.31 | glick | $ |
| 18:40.36 | glick | whats a good terminal font |
| 18:40.45 | glick | i can barely tell the difference between a dollar sign and a s |
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| 18:48.16 | teraflops | glick: just pick a well made one (by professionals), many fonts suck imo |
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| 18:48.35 | webuser5- | greycat, thanks for your answers. |
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| 18:48.57 | greycat | I just use whatever the default font is. Some variant of 'fixed', I'm sure. |
| 18:49.06 | webuser5- | Is there anything regarding, say, iptables that I should configure after installing a default Debian Stable? |
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| 18:49.14 | webuser5- | In case I only use the default packages |
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| 18:49.42 | greycat | No. Debian doesn't set up any firewall by default, so there is nothing you need to tweak. |
| 18:50.08 | greycat | It's unlikely that you'd want any kind of firewall on a desktop box. |
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| 18:51.54 | Resilience | greycat, whre would you want a firewall? and for what reasons? |
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| 18:52.29 | teraflops | glick: for terminal you want a fixed width one, and depending on the format (otf, ttf,â¦) you may also need to tune the hinting style |
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| 18:53.01 | greycat | Usually on a router that you set up specifically to *be* a firewall. Very occasionally on a server, but it would be a weird customized local thing. |
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| 18:59.01 | new-nick | hey there greycat, I left half way early today. I need to get refresh on what we were talking about. |
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| 19:01.06 | new-nick | Basically, after learning that using jessie and Stretch will cause Grub Kernel whenever packages updated. Is there any working solution to use two different version of Debian on same machine & disk. |
| 19:01.32 | greycat | Either let 'em fight it out, or disable the updating of grub from one of 'em. |
| 19:02.00 | new-nick | Here is my clear intention of using Debian Jessie & Stretch on same machine/disk |
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| 19:02.45 | new-nick | That's enlightening to disable Grub updating on one version, probably on Jessie. |
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| 19:03.19 | mtn | new-nick: updating the grub package does not cause grub to be reintalled to the hard drive |
| 19:03.40 | mtn | new-nick: dual booting is no problem with debian or any other distro |
| 19:03.48 | greycat | I described grub being updated when kernel, udev, etc. are upgraded. |
| 19:03.55 | greycat | And STOP notice-ing or msg-ing me. |
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| 19:05.07 | new-nick | ok :) I am sorry that I am not sure how this notice command works I am trying to figure to send reply with nickname along. (newbie on IRC) |
| 19:05.39 | greycat | In most clients, you type the first few letters of the person's name, then press Tab. |
| 19:06.32 | new-nick | like mtn said, dual booting should be supported with Grub with out much problem. And again, like you said, I can't let it fight with kernel updating |
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| 19:06.43 | greycat | You can. |
| 19:06.57 | greycat | It is a perfectly viable option. |
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| 19:07.59 | new-nick | to be clear, just installing two version and not disabling grub updating one version is perfectly viable? |
| 19:08.04 | greycat | Yes. |
| 19:08.34 | mtn | new-nick: yes |
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| 19:09.26 | new-nick | Great then. I even pooling into install OS one partition and then choose Grub location on a pen drive. This way I insert pen drive to whenever I want to boot the newly installed OS. |
| 19:09.49 | greycat | That's a bit over the top, but it's your computer. |
| 19:10.26 | new-nick | greycat: earlier I must be confused to use the term MBR wrongly. |
| 19:10.51 | greycat | Your computer uses EFI, so the "MBR" does not actually exist as such. If we use the very technical definition. |
| 19:11.12 | new-nick | greycat: am I using the tab with nick name command properly .? :) |
| 19:11.26 | greycat | And I do not fully understand UEFI booting, so others may be better equipped to answer technical questions about EFI. |
| 19:11.36 | greycat | new-nick: yes |
| 19:12.08 | new-nick | Yes, this computer use EFI and doesn't has MBR. |
| 19:13.15 | new-nick | mtn: And I am excitied to know that its all be okay to use multi-version. Also want to test Stretch with latest kernel. |
| 19:13.43 | new-nick | greycat: thumbs up to you! ;-) |
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| 19:17.04 | larvallid | petn-randall, you said the bios contains microcode for the CPU. what about the wifi adapter? |
| 19:17.06 | new-nick | Just a general question. I am using Pidgin. Is there any way to set option to disable not to see this message "nickame entered the room" seem annoying and disturbing |
| 19:18.07 | greycat | https://www.google.com/search?q=pidgin+disable+join+part |
| 19:18.51 | greycat | apparently "hide" is more popular than "disable", but it still got me there |
| 19:20.10 | new-nick | :) |
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| 19:20.53 | new-nick | greycat: thanks for search phrase and I use Duck Duck go. Enabled the plug in |
| 19:21.25 | jvelasquez | how do I `dpkg -i *.deb` in headless mode? so it doesn't stop to ask any questions? |
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| 19:21.59 | greycat | jvelasquez: dpkg --force-help |
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| 19:22.23 | teraflops | Here for many clients http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Hide_join_part_messages |
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| 19:23.39 | new-nick | teraflops: thank you and I set |
| 19:23.47 | larvallid | Atm0spher1c, i have debian 9 installed. i came online earlier today while you were offline and asked about this: without any system modifications or packages, wifi works on debian 9, although it still has the problem of disconnecting occasionally. i want to know how this is possible? |
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| 19:40.22 | neoclust | hi |
| 19:40.54 | neoclust | on debian, i don't find the equivalent of rpm -qf ( to find to which package an installed file belong ) |
| 19:40.58 | neoclust | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.01 | neoclust | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.17 | greycat | neoclust: dpkg -S filename |
| 19:41.58 | neoclust | greycat: than you, i try |
| 19:42.00 | neoclust | greycat: thank you, i try |
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| 19:46.48 | bezaban | !ask |
| 19:46.48 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:47.00 | bezaban | !smart questions |
| 19:47.00 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
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| 19:59.28 | BernhardPosselt | so stretch will be released in 2 weeks |
| 19:59.36 | BernhardPosselt | how well can you upgrade already? |
| 19:59.39 | greycat | that's the plan, yeah |
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| 19:59.47 | BernhardPosselt | i suppose there are no blockers anymore right? |
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| 20:00.02 | greycat | Many people here have reported no problems. |
| 20:00.20 | BernhardPosselt | ok, then i will make a backup and do it :D |
| 20:00.30 | greycat | obviously it will depend on what packages you use, and how you use them |
| 20:00.35 | BernhardPosselt | right |
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| 20:03.40 | BernhardPosselt | dist-upgrade is the same as upgrade + removing packages, right? |
| 20:04.02 | BernhardPosselt | as in: no need to mix both |
| 20:04.57 | greycat | dist-upgrade will install new packages, or remove old ones, if apt thinks it sounds like a good idea |
| 20:06.59 | BernhardPosselt | oh wow |
| 20:07.02 | BernhardPosselt | super neat changelog :) |
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| 20:14.29 | BernhardPosselt | how are you supposed to merge configs? |
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| 20:15.27 | BernhardPosselt | port your changes to /etc/spamassassin/local.cf.dpkg-new ? |
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| 20:16.25 | teraflops | BernhardPosselt: very carefully |
| 20:17.28 | teraflops | ,v vimdiff |
| 20:17.29 | judd | No package named 'vimdiff' was found in amd64. |
| 20:17.36 | teraflops | hmm |
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| 20:33.05 | BernhardPosselt | hm https://dpaste.de/iwLG |
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| 20:52.21 | BernhardPosselt | any idea how to proceed with a failed ejabberd? https://dpaste.de/w1CK |
| 20:52.44 | BernhardPosselt | ejabberd-mod-muc-log-http depends on ejabberd (>= 16.09); however:  Package ejabberd is not configured yet. |
| 20:54.15 | BernhardPosselt | is there a way to just skip ejabberd? |
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| 20:58.14 | nicespetsonever | what does this TIME mean in top 339:45.19 ? can't be 339 hours ^^ |
| 20:59.02 | greycat | There's only one : so it's clearly minutes. |
| 20:59.17 | BernhardPosselt | well, i just uninstall ejabberd |
| 20:59.31 | BernhardPosselt | problem gone |
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| 21:02.02 | Putti | After I have upgraded wordpress package on Jessie should I restart apache service in which the wordpress is running? I mean from the perspective that the (security) changes get applied. |
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| 21:02.52 | `Kevin | Putti: depends on lots of things ... if you have a opcache such as apc then yes (one example) |
| 21:03.18 | `Kevin | but even that depends on your setup as to if you actually need to |
| 21:03.48 | Putti | kevinsan, ok, I will then look bit more on the caching on apache and also what stuff gets run on the upgrade scripts |
| 21:04.04 | Putti | Kevin * |
| 21:04.34 | Putti | `Kevin, and thank you |
| 21:04.39 | `Kevin | :) |
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| 21:08.00 | BernhardPosselt | ha, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=844271 |
| 21:08.01 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/844271 in dovecot-core (closed, upstream): «imap-login: Fatal: Invalid ssl_protocols setting: Unknown protocol 'SSLv2'»; severity: serious; opened: 2016-11-13; last modified: 2016-12-29. |
| 21:08.15 | BernhardPosselt | the shipped config is broken |
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| 21:10.49 | BernhardPosselt | apart from the dovecot and ejabber issue it seems to work |
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| 21:18.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | Would anyone really uae SSLv2? |
| 21:19.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | *use |
| 21:19.11 | BernhardPosselt | Eduard_Munteanu: its blacklisted |
| 21:19.20 | BernhardPosselt | but the blacklist fails because it does not exist anymore |
| 21:19.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ah. |
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| 21:21.43 | BernhardPosselt | apart from that the php 7 schisma is a bit meh |
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| 21:21.49 | dizaztor | Yo. |
| 21:21.54 | BernhardPosselt | why would anyone want to run 5.6 and 7.0 side by side |
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| 21:32.25 | gzcwnk | hi I am trying to install rabbitmq-server and its failing due to unmet dependancies esl-erlang or erlaon-nox they are unmet dependancies? |
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| 21:34.43 | dizaztor | Are you installing it for the fist time? |
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| 21:47.44 | DDGO | I upgraded my server, including OpenVPN using apt-get upgrade, now Google blocks me from the seach results "Our systems have detected unusual traffic from your computer ...." |
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| 21:48.58 | glick | use dickdickgo DDGO |
| 21:49.04 | glick | uh... |
| 21:49.07 | glick | duckduckgo |
| 21:49.55 | DDGO | Sure, but what can I do regarding my issue with Google, its not maleware (I recieved while upgrading) |
| 21:50.05 | DDGO | Right? |
| 21:50.23 | glick | google doesnt like tor nor vpns because google likes to know who you are for advertisement and surveillance purposes |
| 21:50.50 | DDGO | Oh, thank you. That is what I thought |
| 21:51.03 | bdax | pretty odd that it was caused by an update though |
| 21:51.07 | bdax | have you looked at the changelog? |
| 21:53.17 | DDGO | Nothing suspicious or any particular reason |
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| 21:57.20 | bdax | but now google knows you're using a vpn whereas before they didn't. unless the update causes your web requests to include some odd proxy header, I can't think how google would know |
| 21:57.31 | bdax | unless you share the vpn |
| 21:58.13 | n_blownapart | hi I have some terminal colors I installed in bash. Is it standard to see a symlink in red ? |
| 21:59.04 | DDGO | I will move my DO Droplet to a new location to recieve a new IP, I hope it will work |
| 22:00.28 | bdax | maybe |
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| 22:00.31 | bdax | n_blownapart: they're turquoise for me |
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| 22:00.36 | n_blownapart | while installing vim, I'm getting (what I believe are) symlinks to .vim and .vimrc, which seems wrong to me. |
| 22:00.58 | n_blownapart | these are in the .config directory |
| 22:02.25 | bdax | DDGO: long shot, but check for dns leaks as well |
| 22:02.42 | DDGO | Sure :) |
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| 22:05.26 | n_blownapart | nice thanks. some weird stuff going on where vim seems to be installing symlinks . bdax |
| 22:05.49 | bdax | n_blownapart: does seem wrong that it would install that way. where do they point to? |
| 22:07.44 | n_blownapart | bdax, I'm using a haskell package called haskell-vim-now, but iit doesn't work since its looking for /usr/share/vim/syntax/syntax.vim ....so |
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| 22:10.17 | bdax | is it under /usr/local/share/vim/... instead? |
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| 22:12.51 | n_blownapart | bdax, its under /.config/haskell-vim-now/.vim/bundle/vim-mundo/tests/bundled/lh-vim-lib/autoload/lh/syntax.vim |
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| 22:14.24 | n_blownapart | so I created a /usr/share/vim/syntax directory, and put a symlink in myself from above actual location to my faux vim/syntax/ directory. but it still can't find it. I'm a noob |
| 22:14.30 | n_blownapart | bdax, |
| 22:15.07 | bdax | ah, I was just about to suggest that |
| 22:15.09 | n_blownapart | this is on a 32bit debian system |
| 22:15.37 | Bliepo | Currently running a Jessie server and plan to upgrade to stretch in the future. But I was wondering whether: 1) it would be best to do a clean install as opposed to upgrading and 2) whether it is okay to switch as soon as it is released, or whether its better to wait (e.g. with ubuntu I'd usually wait for the point release) |
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| 22:16.41 | n_blownapart | but bdax the strange thing I did a full dpkg purge of vim and apt-get remove vim, and in the output I saw files being removed from /usr/share/vim/ . so it's there but I don't know where it is |
| 22:17.56 | bdax | n_blownapart: I don't understand, where you say "it's there but I don't know where it is", it said it removed them but they weren't showing in the directory prior to that? |
| 22:17.59 | bdax | Bliepo: how important is the server? |
| 22:18.07 | n_blownapart | let me paste something, actually it was the output from apt-get autoremove |
| 22:18.12 | n_blownapart | bdax, |
| 22:18.42 | n_blownapart | which proves that /usr/share/vim is somewhere |
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| 22:19.03 | gzcwnk | bliepo so far in place uppgardes have gone really well for me |
| 22:19.38 | gzcwnk | bliepo make a backup, and try it, but yes wait a few months IMHO. |
| 22:20.05 | at0m | same here. keep an eye out for the upgrade notes, and read up before you move. and /msg dpkg jessie->stretch |
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| 22:20.25 | bdax | for a server, I wouldn't upgrade unless I needed something in stretch |
| 22:21.19 | n_blownapart | https://nopaste.me/view/c5a54ed3 |
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| 22:22.13 | random101 | hi, this might be a basic question, but I've been in the process of switching from jessie to stretch and got to kernel upgrades |
| 22:22.15 | gzcwnk | bdax at some point the old release is n longer supported so a timely upgrade is sensible. I have a debian 8.x which started life as debian4 or5....10years+ old and still going |
| 22:22.55 | random101 | I did apt-get install linux-image-amd64 (my arch) and it went through fine, but uname -r still displays 2.6... as the kernel version |
| 22:23.13 | random101 | do I just need a reboot? |
| 22:23.16 | at0m | yes |
| 22:23.26 | gzcwnk | random101 did you reboot? |
| 22:23.26 | bdax | n_blownapart: what is the error message that vim is giving exactly? and can you paste the content of that directory? |
| 22:23.38 | random101 | gzcwnk, not yet, wanted to make sure before I did in case things were borked |
| 22:23.58 | gzcwnk | random101 its always the heart in mouth part |
| 22:24.14 | gzcwnk | random101 hence backups |
| 22:24.20 | jvelasquez | how could I increase the number of characters across on my screen? it's currently 80 across. |
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| 22:25.02 | random101 | ok, just rebooted and it's still displaying 2.6... as the kernel version according to uname -r |
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| 22:26.29 | huzheng | Hi! |
| 22:27.04 | bdax | gzcwnk: yeah, but timely doesn't have to be on the day, jessie still has a few years left in her |
| 22:27.07 | bdax | hi huzheng |
| 22:27.13 | n_blownapart | bdax, I would have to install it again with the package. but simply may I ask: what is line 12 and 13 doing there in the paste? |
| 22:28.12 | n_blownapart | because that tells me there *is* a vim directory under /usr/share , but after a vim install there is no vim directory to be found. |
| 22:28.36 | huzheng | Hi! bdax! |
| 22:28.44 | bdax | n_blownapart: this might help: https://wiki.debian.org/Adding%20and%20removing%20diversions |
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| 22:29.13 | gzcwnk | bdax, totally agree, my experience is though dont leave it close to the end either then the changes between the two start to get more significant. |
| 22:29.21 | Bliepo | Woops, had some internet loss there |
| 22:29.25 | Bliepo | DNS trouble |
| 22:29.26 | huzheng | bdax, can you visit http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/2016/ and see is my name(Hu Zheng) list there? |
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| 22:29.56 | Bliepo | So what did I miss? |
| 22:30.19 | n_blownapart | ok so wait bdax : there is a default vim directory that ships with debian? |
| 22:30.24 | huzheng | bdax? |
| 22:30.31 | bdax | huzheng: nope sorry, no Hu Zheng's listed on that page |
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| 22:30.46 | bdax | n_blownapart: I don't think it ships with debian, I assumed you had installed it previously |
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| 22:31.03 | bdax | gzcwnk: yeah true, so for a server that was important I might wait a year |
| 22:31.07 | CharlesHines | hello |
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| 22:31.18 | bdax | I know the debian release team are stellar, but good to give it some time |
| 22:31.27 | gzcwnk | bdax, agree |
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| 22:31.49 | huzheng | And this: http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/2016/ , bdax, can you help me to see this one again? |
| 22:32.01 | gzcwnk | yes I have been hugely impressed with the dist-upgrade |
| 22:32.13 | n_blownapart | because I have been manually removing vim files everywhere. Ok so the package installer for the haskell-vim-now is not putting anything in /usr/share . But it is looking for it there. |
| 22:32.15 | bdax | huzheng: just seeing good old Bob Dylan there |
| 22:33.12 | huzheng | Thank you very much! bdax! |
| 22:33.41 | bdax | huzheng: no prob, not sure what I helped with to be honest |
| 22:34.05 | huzheng | bdax, are you in USA or Canada? |
| 22:34.08 | bdax | n_blownapart: if it's looking for it there then a symlink should work, I'm pretty sure vim supports them. otherwise try a hardlink maybe? |
| 22:34.15 | bdax | mu |
| 22:34.18 | bdax | UK! |
| 22:34.28 | huzheng | OK! |
| 22:34.31 | n_blownapart | one last thing bdax : by doing that autoremove, perhaps I can make a clean install of vim and the package and things will go better? |
| 22:35.02 | bdax | what about you huzheng? |
| 22:35.19 | huzheng | Who is In USA? Can you help me to visit http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/2016/ and http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/2016/ |
| 22:35.46 | bdax | hopefully n_blownapart, I wouldn't manually remove package files fwiw |
| 22:35.52 | Bliepo | That's odd, some domains don't load and some do |
| 22:35.58 | n_blownapart | forgot to mention, I had it working fine about a week ago, with syntax highlighting working, but for a small annoying glitch I removed it for a fresh install, then ran into problems |
| 22:36.29 | huzheng | Who is in USA? Can you help me? |
| 22:37.12 | bdax | huzheng: literature 2016 was Bob Dylan, physics 2016 was David J. Thouless, F. Duncan M. Haldane and J. Michael Kosterlitz. all of which are from the US I think |
| 22:37.59 | n_blownapart | thanks kindly bdax |
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| 22:38.02 | huzheng | In China and UK, these information is wrong! |
| 22:38.53 | bdax | n_blownapart: no prob, good luck with that |
| 22:39.06 | bdax | you're not mixing stable and testing or anything though are you? long shot |
| 22:39.39 | bdax | huzheng: I'm not sure I understand |
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| 22:41.53 | huzheng | I need one who is in USA to help me to visit that link! |
| 22:42.02 | bdax | oh i see |
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| 22:43.06 | bdax | huzheng: I just used a US proxy and got the same |
| 22:43.07 | teraflops | huzheng: or use a proxy and do it yourself? |
| 22:43.19 | bdax | you sure you're looking in the right place? |
| 22:43.56 | bdax | my guess was it's a firewall thing, probably blocking proxies |
| 22:43.57 | huzheng | VPN is not OK. |
| 22:44.25 | huzheng | teraflops, can you help me to visit that two links? |
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| 22:44.57 | teraflops | nope |
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| 22:45.23 | bdax | huzheng: I checked it with a US proxy, no changes |
| 22:45.57 | bdax | my guess is the nobel site isn't doing fancy proxy detection stuff |
| 22:46.18 | bdax | I think you're looking in the wrong place? |
| 22:46.35 | huzheng | Maybe need direct connection! In China proxy is still wrong! |
| 22:47.02 | bdax | maybe, but I don't think that's a page that changes based on location |
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| 22:49.54 | huzheng | China firewall can do this, they scan the web link and return a wrong web page. |
| 22:50.44 | bdax | oh I see |
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| 22:51.16 | huzheng | Who is in USA? |
| 22:51.20 | huzheng | !! |
| 22:51.20 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 22:51.21 | bdax | well, as far as I'm aware the UK doesn't have a firewall like that, so I should be seeing as it is |
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| 22:51.50 | bdax | for now |
| 22:51.56 | bdax | lol |
| 22:52.44 | huzheng | UK should joined China firewall! |
| 22:52.57 | bdax | haha, yeah maybe, the way things have been going |
| 22:53.43 | bdax | well not 'should'.. but anyway, nah we don't have a firewall |
| 22:54.23 | Violinist | yeah i watched the wall yesterday |
| 22:54.26 | Violinist | lel |
| 22:54.43 | teraflops | why firewalling when you can let packets flow and spy on them? |
| 22:54.48 | Violinist | not sure if money wasted |
| 22:55.04 | bdax | I've not seen it |
| 22:55.12 | Violinist | teraflops, ya haha |
| 22:55.14 | bdax | and yeah, surveillance is the pro way to go |
| 22:55.41 | Violinist | bdax, as long as its constitutional |
| 22:55.54 | bdax | firewalls are for noobs |
| 22:56.06 | bdax | I was being sarcastic or something similar |
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| 22:56.28 | Violinist | ok yeah coz |
| 22:56.29 | bdax | I don't really agree with surveillance, just agreeing that if you're going to be a big brother that surveillance > firewall |
| 22:56.46 | Violinist | yeah no1 said it was hard rite |
| 22:57.10 | bdax | hard? |
| 22:57.16 | Violinist | just makes u an ass |
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| 23:05.33 | huzheng | Can any one in USA to help me? |
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| 23:39.44 | foul_owl | Hi folks. Having an issue where rhythmbox or banshee doesn't save song ratings. I checked and ratings are part of the id3 tag spec: http://id3.org/id3v2.3.0#sec4.18 Anyone know a way to fix this? Thanks! |
| 23:40.22 | glick | any emacs pros in here? |
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| 23:40.50 | glick | aafter a couple of C-ks |
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| 23:50.47 | kunwon1 | foul_owl: do those applications have write access to the files, or read only access? if the latter, it could cause what you're reporting, though i'd expect an error message would pop up |
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| 23:59.33 | foul_owl | They can write other id3 metadata, such as album title |
