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| 00:01.29 | n_blownapart | Tramp, thanks ! looking at that |
| 00:01.29 | Cherrydoll | i had to come up with my own bash for setting wallpaper in openbox grr.. |
| 00:01.29 | Cherrydoll | this is what i got |
| 00:01.29 | Cherrydoll | https://pastebin.com/dkiLskMk |
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| 00:04.36 | Tramp | Cherrydoll: for a start (in case you wanted feedback): an array of files is most easily retrieved with list=(/some/dir/*). You want to quote all expansions, don't need "let" for assignments and arithmetic is best done with arithmetic expansion |
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| 00:05.25 | Cherrydoll | ^ yea figured that out once i woke up this morning as i was coding in my sleep haha |
| 00:05.27 | Cherrydoll | but ty |
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| 00:16.37 | WangDang_ | I'm having trouble with virtualbox on jessie. I haven't run any virtual machines in a few weeks. Now when I try to start one, I get an error about "kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908)" It says to run "modprobe vboxdrv" but that just tells me that the module isn't found. I tried a bunch of stuff on https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox but nothing has got me up and running. I could use some help on this... :( |
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| 00:32.56 | mns | WangDang_: did you try seeing if you have the kernel driver installed ? I've not used VirtualBox in ages so not sure how else I can help. |
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| 00:33.07 | Seven_Six_Two | I am trying to get a digitizer tablet working on rpi3 and raspbian, which works on Mint. I don't think it's hardware related, and while I've asked in the raspbian channel, I think someone here can probably help. I've installed driver, and events are returned to evtest for both the pen and stylus devices, but only the mouse ends up in xinput list. I can provide any logs if you can please allow me a bit of leeway with being off-topic. |
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| 00:35.23 | Seven_Six_Two | xorg log https://pastebin.com/pcWexL8V kernel events for pen https://pastebin.com/BHj9U4tX dmesg https://pastebin.com/RbajQibm |
| 00:36.25 | WangDang_ | mns: yeah, I ran "modprobe vboxdrv" but it returned a message about the module not being found |
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| 00:37.19 | WangDang_ | mns: I also ran "lsmod | less" but didn't see the vboxdrv module listed |
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| 00:52.27 | WangDang_ | I just tried "/etc/init.d/virtualbox restart" which spit out an error telling me to run "journalctl -xn" which tells me "virtualbox [11635]: Loading VirtualBox kernel modules...No suitable module for running dernel found ... failed!" Not sure where to go from here |
| 00:53.44 | WangDang_ | dernel=kernel |
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| 01:10.44 | Kobaz | anyone familiar with scripting for gnome-terminal / terminator... is there a way to dump the scrollback buffer to a file on a hotkey, and then run a command in a new tab |
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| 01:13.48 | tx | iirc the scrollback is stored in a file |
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| 01:13.53 | glick | hi |
| 01:14.04 | tx | or maybe you can turn that on |
| 01:14.35 | glick | huh? |
| 01:14.45 | tx | Kobaz: https://github.com/kmoppel/dumptofile |
| 01:14.52 | glick | there are several bugs in debian stretch mate |
| 01:14.57 | glick | not sure who to report them to |
| 01:14.59 | glick | or where |
| 01:15.39 | Kobaz | mmm dump, yay |
| 01:16.02 | Kobaz | now to figure how to do a new tab and fire up emacs |
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| 01:19.04 | Kobaz | aw. it's not showing up in the plugins list... can't activate it |
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| 01:19.57 | lost_soul | Kobaz: rather than using tabs you could always use a nice terminal multiplexer such as tmux. |
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| 01:20.03 | Kobaz | meh |
| 01:20.12 | Kobaz | i want my tabs |
| 01:20.30 | Kobaz | seeing about switching terminals... been using mrxvt for years |
| 01:20.43 | Kobaz | i need to set up all my shortcuts |
| 01:21.08 | Kobaz | i have ctrl-shift-/ save the scrollback into a tmp file, and then fire up an editor in a new tab |
| 01:21.11 | Kobaz | i use it all the time |
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| 01:22.14 | lost_soul | not a fan of gnome-terminal so no other ideas, sorry. |
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| 01:22.36 | Kobaz | i wasn't in the past, but lookin for a new term |
| 01:22.52 | Kobaz | the biggest issue i found with gnome-terminal was that if the parent process crashed, you lose all your terms |
| 01:22.59 | Kobaz | and it was pretty ram-intensive |
| 01:23.31 | lost_soul | I stick with xterm most of the time. |
| 01:23.41 | tx | Kobaz: you need to add it to the plugins folder |
| 01:23.43 | tx | ya done that? :P |
| 01:23.48 | Kobaz | tx: of course |
| 01:23.49 | tx | and you might need to relaunch terminator |
| 01:23.59 | Kobaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.59 | Kobaz | yeap[ |
| 01:24.38 | tx | is this gtk3 terminator? |
| 01:24.44 | tx | that has a separate branch |
| 01:24.57 | tx | (version 1.9+) |
| 01:25.13 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 01:25.15 | tx | https://github.com/kmoppel/dumptofile/tree/terminator-1.90 |
| 01:25.15 | Kobaz | i found that |
| 01:25.21 | tx | cool |
| 01:25.25 | Kobaz | that's the one i'm using, well, trying to use |
| 01:26.14 | Kobaz | searching the terminal is lacking |
| 01:26.26 | Kobaz | it tells you what row the string was found, but doesn't highlight it |
| 01:26.37 | Kobaz | it shows the row somewhere on the screen, that's dissapointing |
| 01:26.38 | tx | yeah |
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| 01:26.48 | tx | actually I think it might, but the colours are screwed |
| 01:26.54 | tx | I still use gtk2 terminator though |
| 01:28.22 | Kobaz | i dont see any options for hilight color |
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| 01:29.18 | Kobaz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/terminator/+bug/271487 |
| 01:30.09 | Kobaz | thats a bummer |
| 01:30.29 | tx | may as well add it in then ;) |
| 01:30.36 | Kobaz | add it to the list |
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| 01:40.53 | glick | anyone else on stretch mate cant change their background desktop wallpaper? |
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| 01:45.22 | regedit | is there some way I can manually perform what `sudo dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg` does? i.e. manually download & build libdvdcss2 and/or whatever else this command does? |
| 01:48.31 | glick | man i really wish i could change my damn background wallpaper in mate |
| 01:48.37 | glick | just sayin... |
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| 01:49.56 | at0m | glick: tried #mate ? |
| 01:50.31 | glick | i figure it was a debian specific thing |
| 01:50.35 | glick | cause it worked fine |
| 01:50.41 | glick | until i changed to stretch |
| 01:51.14 | at0m | you've been asking for days. your approach doesn't seem to yield any success. |
| 01:51.42 | glick | you got that right |
| 01:51.56 | at0m | in #mate there's 100 people familiar with.. mate |
| 01:52.03 | awal1 | glick, try if you can change you wallpaper via command line |
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| 01:52.31 | awal1 | just for find out if your issue is mate related or something else |
| 01:52.46 | glick | im not sure how you change the wallpaper via cmdline |
| 01:52.47 | AvatarA | find out what .log files mate keeps and where it keeps them then look through those |
| 01:53.16 | glick | i also discovered another mate bug |
| 01:53.55 | awal1 | glick, try with xsetroot -grey |
| 01:54.00 | glick | if you open a file browser and maximize it to half the screen size by dragging it to the left or right, and you have a lot of files in the folder, you wont be able to scroll all the way down to look at the files |
| 01:54.03 | awal1 | or another solid color |
| 01:54.14 | awal1 | xsetroot -solid '#555555' |
| 01:54.44 | glick | this is bettre than gray , lol i dont want to be stuck with a grey background |
| 01:54.48 | Kobaz | feh --bg-tile $file |
| 01:54.53 | Kobaz | you can use an image too |
| 01:55.15 | Kobaz | used to be xv back in the day |
| 01:55.22 | glick | feh command not found |
| 01:55.25 | awal1 | if that works, it is just for be "sure" that is mate desktop related |
| 01:55.28 | Kobaz | apt-get install feh |
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| 01:56.29 | awal1 | feh is a nice wallpaper setter, sure |
| 01:57.34 | awal1 | you'll have to execute it at each login, manually or via a script, startup file, xinitrc, xsession or whatever |
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| 01:59.12 | glick | hmok ill check out feh |
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| 02:04.41 | Guest67248 | hello I wiped my .bashrc inadvertently. I still have some apps like iceweasel and drRacket and xchat. All my config seems to be gone. please help ! |
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| 02:05.35 | johnkeates | i don't think .bashrc has anything important unless you add it in there |
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| 02:08.36 | Kobaz | yeah there's not much 'config' in .bashrc |
| 02:08.48 | awal1 | glick, easy to do. I guess the best is make your mate able to change wallpapers. a nice workaround is installing 'feh' and run "feh --bg-scale /path/to/your/background/image" and add this command to your mate startup application section "sh ~.fehbg". thats all |
| 02:08.52 | Guest67248 | I lost vim johnkeates why vim and not drRacket? (vim was open) |
| 02:09.49 | awal1 | I personally use feh for set my wallpaper |
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| 02:11.04 | awal1 | glick, "sh ~/.fehbg" |
| 02:13.12 | Guest67248 | no I lost all my hidden files, .vimrc etc. Is there some magic restore I don't know linux... |
| 02:13.31 | Kobaz | magic restore = backup |
| 02:13.38 | awal1 | lost? |
| 02:13.38 | Kobaz | always have backups |
| 02:13.57 | d34df00d | So how do I get gcc 7 on unstable? |
| 02:14.07 | at0m | ,v gcc |
| 02:14.09 | judd | Package: gcc on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; sid: 4:6.3.0-4; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; experimental: 4:7.1.0-0 |
| 02:14.27 | d34df00d | Yeah, how do I plug in the package from experimental? I got conflicts when I tried. |
| 02:14.46 | d34df00d | Apparently I'm doing it wrong (like `apt-get install gcc-7`) |
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| 02:15.13 | Kobaz | awal1: crashplan, mozy, rsync.net, yada yada yada |
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| 02:15.51 | Kobaz | crashplan is nice because you can do multiple pcs for one rate |
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| 02:17.22 | at0m | dpkg: tell d34df00d about unstable |
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| 02:18.45 | Guest67248 | ok, let me explain please. I was trying to send all "intermediate"files from haskell compiling, namely *.o and *.hi to a directory I created in my home directory called ghc. so I was in .bashrc trying to write a command like "find . -name "*.o" , "*.hi" exec mv ~/ghc ...\" |
| 02:19.02 | Guest67248 | you get the idea ... |
| 02:19.22 | Guest67248 | then it asked me to overwrite ghc. I pressed y for yes |
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| 02:19.44 | Guest67248 | so now it looks like all of my files are in ghc !!! |
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| 02:20.12 | Kobaz | time to make the backups |
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| 02:20.28 | Kobaz | speaking of backups, i need to fix my main file server |
| 02:20.29 | at0m | Kobaz: but not of .bashrc ;) |
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| 02:22.42 | d34df00d | at0m: yeah, I know that, why? |
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| 02:23.45 | at0m | d34df00d: then why are you asking? if you run unstable, you're supposed to know such things. anyhow, it's not supported here but on OFTC network #debian-netxt |
| 02:23.50 | at0m | err #debian-next |
| 02:24.05 | Guest67248 | I'll be up all night. thanks all ! |
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| 02:25.08 | at0m | Guest67248: if you put such lines in bashrc, you know they will be executed on each new bash instance, right? |
| 02:25.25 | Guest67248 | one Question. that screwup put a backslash on the ends of many directories. can I get rid of those? |
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| 02:41.41 | Guest67248 | hi back again. so if I backup everything I want and then run apt-get install update, will I get the filesystem back in decent order, or do I need to do some sort of apt-get rescue |
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| 02:42.51 | d34df00d | at0m: I'm not really running unstable, that one of the build hosts I got to manage. |
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| 02:43.09 | d34df00d | Anyway, thanks for pointing me to the right channel! |
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| 02:57.51 | hata | my transmission-daemon is running as debian-+ instead of transmission-daemon, what does debian-+ mean? |
| 02:58.53 | tx | + means it's too long to fit in the column |
| 02:58.58 | hata | ahh |
| 02:59.14 | hata | I looked in the dl dir and I see debian-transmission |
| 02:59.21 | hata | must have changed when I updated I guess |
| 02:59.23 | hata | thanks |
| 02:59.32 | tx | :) |
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| 03:28.45 | ploop | i set up lvm with crypto using a custom partition layout (swap, /, and a partition inside /), and when i got to the end grub failed to install without explanation |
| 03:28.52 | ploop | any ideas why this might be? |
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| 03:32.27 | somiaj | ploop: what installer are you using? |
| 03:32.33 | somiaj | ploop: specifically what image. |
| 03:33.00 | ploop | debian-8.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 03:33.42 | somiaj | I think there is issues with grub and /boot inside the encrypted lvm, did you put a /boot partition outsdie of it? |
| 03:34.00 | ploop | aaaah that makes sense, didn't think of that |
| 03:34.02 | ploop | thanks |
| 03:34.56 | ploop | interesting how the grub installer catches that, i would expect it to just install to /boot regardless and then simply fail to boot |
| 03:35.30 | somiaj | unsure on the deatails of the installer. |
| 03:36.28 | somiaj | I don't use encryption or lvm, so no experience with it. |
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| 03:47.22 | tw | the default layout with encrypted lvm puts /boot outside of the crypto partition. |
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| 04:10.03 | jelly | lasdam: you'd have to add -f to fsck for it to do anything if the filesystem was marked as clean. Also, -C would give a progress bar. |
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| 04:11.05 | lasdam | jelly: right, I did first fsck without -f, then with, but it still didn't report any errors. not sure what fsck actually outputs when it finds errors though |
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| 04:11.48 | jelly | oh you'd know if you saw any |
| 04:12.48 | jelly | so maybe it was some in-memory corruption due to overheating |
| 04:14.21 | nine_milli | yo, how can i make an image of a disk to put on a new one? |
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| 04:16.14 | Rusty1_ | nine_milli: look into clonezilla |
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| 04:18.20 | lasdam | jelly: I might not have paid enough attention to the output of fsck to be honest. I was looking, but I didn't take strong note of it, I'm a bit "absent-minded", so yeah.. at least it works again now! |
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| 04:23.24 | VentGrey | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:24.37 | nine_milli | thx ill look into these things |
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| 04:29.52 | anku | hi |
| 04:30.18 | anku | which office suite is better alternative for MS office?? |
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| 04:33.06 | VentGrey | If you want a Free (Freedom) alternative you can use LibreOffice in your Debian installation by typing "sudo apt install libreoffice" |
| 04:33.25 | VentGrey | If you want a non-free alternative you can use Kingston WPS Office |
| 04:33.38 | anku | free |
| 04:34.22 | VentGrey | Non-free (as in freedom xD) |
| 04:35.18 | anku | XD |
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| 04:38.30 | VentGrey | If you want a document editor with less impact on your system you can always use Abiword or Gnumeric for spreadsheets editing |
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| 07:19.39 | Kar0n | hello? |
| 07:19.47 | Kar0n | ? |
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| 07:22.53 | ofog|bartar | hello |
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| 07:23.21 | ofog|bartar | I want to see what version of an specific software is installed on my server. |
| 07:23.27 | ofog|bartar | what should i do? |
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| 07:24.37 | lventura | you can try 'dpkg -l $PACKAGE' |
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| 07:26.41 | nkuttler | ofog|bartar: i use apt-cache policy <foo> |
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| 07:27.39 | jelly | both options above imply user knows the correct package name (which does not always match the software product name) |
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| 07:27.41 | ofog|bartar | lventura, nkuttler thanks |
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| 07:28.18 | Quatroking | stanky danky meme my dude |
| 07:28.22 | ofog|bartar | I installed debian and now my caps lock won't work |
| 07:28.32 | ofog|bartar | its light won't come on even |
| 07:28.40 | ofog|bartar | o_O |
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| 07:29.07 | jelly | ofog|bartar: I tried so hard to disable it, and you get it as a free feature by default? No fair |
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| 07:29.41 | ofog|bartar | jelly, you say no Caps is normal? |
| 07:29.44 | userro | There's little chance that key got damaged at the same time you installed debian :p |
| 07:29.53 | jelly | ofog|bartar: it's not. Pastebin the output of "setxkbmap -print" |
| 07:29.55 | jelly | !paste |
| 07:29.55 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 07:30.06 | jelly | assuming you use X |
| 07:30.23 | jelly | ofog|bartar: which debian release is this |
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| 07:33.19 | ofog|bartar | http://dpaste.com/1QGYDK3 |
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| 07:35.53 | jelly | ofog|bartar: that ctrl(nocaps) thing is not default, something or someone told X to use Caps Lock as another Control key. |
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| 07:37.03 | jelly | you'll want to fiure out where that came from |
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| 07:39.08 | jelly | ofog|bartar: in the meantime, something like "setxkbmap -option -option" resets all options, including that ctrl(nocaps) one, for the current session |
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| 07:43.28 | jelly | !next |
| 07:43.28 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 07:49.22 | tx | !previous |
| 07:49.30 | tx | This will not do |
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| 07:50.18 | Butt3rfly | deletes the arrow of time on tx's behalf |
| 07:50.32 | tx | Oh hey I remember you. |
| 07:50.35 | tx | Back from #defocus times. |
| 07:50.57 | Butt3rfly | :) |
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| 08:06.31 | namoamitabuddha | Hello, all. |
| 08:06.43 | namoamitabuddha | For the moment, is apt-transport-https necessary? |
| 08:06.54 | namoamitabuddha | Or of great importance? |
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| 08:08.04 | jelly | namoamitabuddha: not really, no |
| 08:08.23 | rudi_s | namoamitabuddha: Depends. It may be useful to hide which exact packages you install. But even without it all packages are still signed. |
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| 08:08.44 | jelly | some third party repos are https only |
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| 08:09.29 | jelly | ofog|bartar: figured it out yet? |
| 08:10.21 | ofog|bartar | jelly, yes Dear jelly -option -option did solved it but went away after a reboot. |
| 08:10.23 | ofog|bartar | ;9 |
| 08:10.27 | ofog|bartar | :9 |
| 08:10.31 | ofog|bartar | :( |
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| 08:55.53 | ofog|bartar | jelly? |
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| 09:13.09 | Selveste1 | ofog|bartar: jelly told you that when he told about the fix - but you should be able to figure out what problam is overwriting caps in X - are you using Gnome, XFCE og KDE? |
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| 10:03.28 | RebelCoder | guys, PepperFlash seems to be messing in Debian 9 ? |
| 10:03.57 | RebelCoder | I can't install it. It is not there. Any ideas ? |
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| 10:04.27 | celyr | you know that it's contrib right |
| 10:05.33 | RebelCoder | I have all connected.. contrib, non-free |
| 10:05.36 | RebelCoder | still not there |
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| 10:06.17 | themill | pepperflashplugin-nonfree is not in stretch |
| 10:06.22 | celyr | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash |
| 10:07.03 | celyr | while pepperflashplugin-nonfree it's not |
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| 10:07.37 | RebelCoder | that browser-plugin.... does nothing... |
| 10:08.37 | celyr | well |
| 10:08.46 | celyr | no ? XD |
| 10:08.54 | RebelCoder | Strange. It was there last time I installed Testing Deb.... |
| 10:09.02 | RebelCoder | Ok. Will keep hacking |
| 10:09.17 | celyr | RebelCoder, I think |
| 10:09.25 | celyr | you can install the jessie backport one in stretch |
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| 10:10.35 | RebelCoder | celyr, I will. thanks. |
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| 10:26.27 | salva | Is there any specification for the Debian repository index files "Packages.gz"? |
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| 10:27.05 | Haohmaru | what's the right way to install a .tar.gz binary package which seems to be meant to go into /usr/ ? |
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| 10:28.11 | Haohmaru | there are no instructions on its website, the archive contains a folder with the program name and version, under which there is /usr/ and then subfolders bin, lib, share, man, ... |
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| 10:29.08 | Haohmaru | i read that such programs should be installed in /opt/, but then if i just extract it there, i'd end up having /opt/tigervnc-whatever/usr/bin/vncserver |
| 10:29.19 | Haohmaru | is that "okay" ? |
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| 10:31.25 | BigRedS | there's not really a universal standard for that. SOme people would put it in /opt/tigervnc-whatever, others in /usr/local/tigervnc-whatever |
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| 10:31.47 | BigRedS | generally, I'd symlink the binaries into my $PATH, but I don't know how crazy that's considered to be :) |
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| 11:32.20 | bazhang | oerheks, apt remove systemd! |
| 11:32.27 | bazhang | that'll fix it |
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| 11:45.29 | oerheks | bazhang, it seems to be fixed |
| 11:46.13 | bazhang | oerheks, by him giving up, yeah |
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| 12:06.55 | corner_cubicle | Is there a difference between "apt-get install -t unstable package" and "apt-get install package/unstable" ? |
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| 12:07.48 | BluesKaj | Howdy folks |
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| 12:10.54 | RoyK | corner_cubicle: I don't think so + but both are in the catecory 'don't do this at home' |
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| 12:12.50 | corner_cubicle | RoyK: I thought the '-t' version had something to do with apt pinning priority, but I'm not too sure. |
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| 12:22.43 | intrepid | hey |
| 12:22.47 | intrepid | coucou |
| 12:22.52 | intrepid | debian users |
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| 12:26.35 | RoyK | corner_cubicle: doesn't look so from the manual |
| 12:26.59 | RoyK | corner_cubicle: anyway - don't come whining if something from Sid broke your system |
| 12:27.12 | RoyK | !sid |
| 12:27.12 | dpkg | sid is, like, the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 12:27.43 | corner_cubicle | Of course, I'm not planning to install anything from sid.. I just used 'unstable' as a placeholder there. It could be anything |
| 12:28.03 | corner_cubicle | I just wanted to know the difference. Looks like it's the same after all. |
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| 12:48.37 | shtrb | I installed debian on the wrong disk on a system , would it be safe to run d-i from an installed system or should I reboot via usb and start again ? |
| 12:48.44 | AlexPortable | I created a chroot, but it won't display my username now |
| 12:48.49 | AlexPortable | whoami: cannot find name for user ID 1006: No such file or directory |
| 12:48.54 | AlexPortable | What does it requires? |
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| 12:55.44 | Lineage | test |
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| 12:59.01 | FreeBeastie | . |
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| 13:00.27 | rudi_s | shtrb: AFAIK you can't run the installer from a running system. You could use debootstrap, but that's more complicated. I'd just boot from usb and start again. |
| 13:00.38 | rudi_s | AlexPortable: It requires /etc/passwd inside the chroot. |
| 13:01.00 | AlexPortable | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:01.33 | rudi_s | AlexPortable: It requires a few files in /etc, libraries, etc. |
| 13:01.53 | rudi_s | The simplest solution is debootstrap in the chroot or strace -e file to figure out which files are required. |
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| 13:02.27 | shtrb | rudi_s , thanks |
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| 13:03.12 | rudi_s | AlexPortable: And I'm still not sure what you're trying to achieve. Why is a separate user not good enough? |
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| 13:04.33 | AlexPortable | separate user can still view htop and proccesses |
| 13:04.54 | rudi_s | AlexPortable: Mount /proc with hidepid=2 like this: proc /proc proc defaults,hidepid=2 0 0 |
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| 13:05.26 | rudi_s | (The user can still figure out which pids exist, but that doesn't provide much information to a possible attacker.) |
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| 13:05.40 | rudi_s | Btw. he can do the same inside a chroot! |
| 13:06.02 | rudi_s | (If you mount /proc which you almost certainly have to do or most programs won't run properly.) |
| 13:07.03 | AlexPortable | do what inside a chroot? |
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| 13:07.31 | AlexPortable | view all running processes you mean? |
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| 13:08.04 | rudi_s | AlexPortable: Yes. A chroot is not a separate pid-namespace. |
| 13:09.19 | AlexPortable | Cannot open /proc/stat: No such file or directory |
| 13:09.22 | AlexPortable | well so far not really |
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| 13:10.03 | rudi_s | AlexPortable: Yes, as I said you'll have to mount /proc sooner or later anyway. |
| 13:10.11 | rudi_s | *you'll most-likely have to |
| 13:10.29 | rudi_s | Anyway, hidepid=2 and separate user should fulfill your requirements in a much simpler fashion. |
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| 13:18.55 | AlexPortable | Then why does chroot exists? |
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| 13:21.04 | rudi_s | AlexPortable: Because it provides some level of isolation. If you have a simple server process, you can chroot it to /bla/whatever as non-root user and mount nothing inside the chroot so the program can't access /proc nor the file system. So that helps. - For your use-case ("normal program execution") it still provides file-system isolation. |
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| 13:22.09 | jhutchins_wk | AlexPortable: I've run Testing as a dual boot, when it's broken and un-bootable I can set up a chroot to it from my stable install and run apt to install updates that may fix it. |
| 13:22.47 | jhutchins_wk | I've used it to build a preliminary environment for a server on a drive I just have to drop in and do local configuration. |
| 13:23.10 | jhutchins_wk | AlexPortable: There are lots of use cases. |
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| 13:23.39 | AlexPortable | in the chroot when i want to start a program, i get 'no such file or directory' |
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| 13:25.13 | jhutchins_wk | AlexPortable: You should understand that message by now. |
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| 13:25.35 | AlexPortable | what do you mean? |
| 13:26.45 | AlexPortable | wait i made a mistake |
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| 13:32.30 | centrx | dselect forever |
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| 13:36.00 | rudi_s | jhutchins_wk: Well it can also mean there's no loader in the chroot IIRC. |
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| 13:36.50 | jhutchins_wk | rudi_s: Much more likely that the binary is not on the current path. Simple answers rather than deep mysteries. |
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| 13:37.02 | rudi_s | ;-) |
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| 13:44.00 | AlexPortable | How do I move librt.so.1 into my chroot? |
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| 13:49.30 | sherab | installed jessie on macbookair. synaptic shows that bluetooth bluez and bluez-obexd are installed by i have no gui for connecting my bluetooth headphones. where is it?? |
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| 13:53.12 | sllide | Hi, i've run into a problem with my sound. I'd like to seperate the volume controls for jack and speaker output |
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| 13:53.26 | sllide | so when i max the volume on speakers i dont deafen myself if i plug my earbuds in |
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| 13:54.41 | tx | mine are separate |
| 13:54.54 | tx | I have separate controls for speakers, the jack, and my BT headset. |
| 13:55.13 | tx | I guess it depends on your DE/WM :) |
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| 13:55.23 | sllide | gnome3 |
| 13:55.49 | sllide | default debian jessie |
| 13:56.44 | tx | no idea then |
| 13:57.05 | expert975 | I'm using Debian Stretch. Today seems like Firefox reinstalled an older version of itself. Anyone knows what's going on? |
| 13:58.19 | rudi_s | AlexPortable: You copy it to the appropriate location (same as on the orignal system, just not under / but under /path/to/chroot/) |
| 13:58.32 | AlexPortable | well i dont know where it is |
| 13:58.42 | AlexPortable | sudo find ./ | grep librt.so.1 returns nothing |
| 13:58.45 | rudi_s | dpkg -S librt.so.1 |
| 13:58.45 | dpkg | There is no record of a librt.so.1 package |
| 13:59.03 | AlexPortable | when i run the program outside the chroot i don't seem to need this so file |
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| 13:59.51 | rudi_s | You do. |
| 13:59.56 | rudi_s | It's in libc6. |
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| 14:01.14 | simpledat | Hi how do I install tor launcher in debian? |
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| 14:01.27 | AlexPortable | ah |
| 14:01.32 | AlexPortable | Where is xterm located? |
| 14:01.49 | rudi_s | AlexPortable: /usr/bin/xterm?! |
| 14:02.02 | AlexPortable | nope |
| 14:02.21 | AlexPortable | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.49 | rudi_s | AlexPortable: Well, if you don't install it then it's not there. |
| 14:02.58 | rudi_s | And btw. find -name \*xterm\* is shorter. |
| 14:03.02 | simpledat | apt-get install torbrowser-launcher? |
| 14:03.23 | AlexPortable | Well the program I'm trying to run requires it somehow inside the chroot |
| 14:03.36 | rudi_s | AlexPortable: So you're running X inside the chroot?! |
| 14:03.45 | AlexPortable | no? |
| 14:03.54 | AlexPortable | outside the chroot, the program starts |
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| 14:03.58 | rudi_s | simpledat: That will download and install the tor browser bundle. |
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| 14:04.09 | AlexPortable | inside the chroot it won't start and gives the error Error opening terminal: xterm. |
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| 14:05.28 | expert975 | rudi_s: Is that package not available for Debian Stretch? |
| 14:05.31 | rudi_s | AlexPortable: Please stop what you're doing until you've learned enough to setup this properly. |
| 14:05.54 | AlexPortable | Well am i not learning now? |
| 14:06.20 | rudi_s | expert975: Which package? |
| 14:06.30 | expert975 | rudi_s: torbrowser-launcher |
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| 14:07.13 | rudi_s | AlexPortable: Well. - As I said a few times, the simplest solution is to run deboostrap to create the chroot and then install the software inside the chroot with apt-get. That will also take care of all required libraries/packages. |
| 14:07.31 | AlexPortable | well the software requires no apt-get, just uploading the file |
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| 14:07.56 | rudi_s | expert975: The package is in debian, but it's just a downloader (at least that's what I got from the packages' description). |
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| 14:08.11 | rudi_s | AlexPortable: But you'll get the required dependencies that way. |
| 14:08.20 | AlexPortable | how will it know what dependencies are required? |
| 14:08.23 | AlexPortable | i dont want all dependencies |
| 14:08.38 | rudi_s | AlexPortable: What? ldd on the binary? How did you install it? |
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| 14:08.54 | AlexPortable | i uploaded it |
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| 14:30.56 | sherab | bose bluetooth quietcontrol 30 does not pair with jesie? |
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| 14:37.04 | AlexPortable | how do I fix 'I have no name!' ? where does it gets this data from |
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| 14:37.46 | rudi_s | AlexPortable: strace |
| 14:37.53 | AlexPortable | strace what? |
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| 14:38.14 | AlexPortable | it happens after logging into the chrooted shell |
| 14:38.16 | rudi_s | AlexPortable: The process which says " I have no name". |
| 14:38.25 | AlexPortable | the commandline says it, so i suspect that's bash? |
| 14:38.47 | rudi_s | strace -f -o log chroot /foo/bar/chroot /bin/sh |
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| 14:41.10 | G_81 | Hi i would like to know if Debian 9 would be released with the kernel version 4.9.x or is there a possibility that we would get 4.10 with that ? |
| 14:41.22 | jelly | AlexPortable: show the full command you're running and complete output |
| 14:41.24 | jelly | !ask |
| 14:41.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:41.32 | jelly | !paste |
| 14:41.32 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:41.40 | jelly | G_81: 4.9.x |
| 14:41.43 | AlexPortable | jelly: im connecting via ssh, and after connecting I get this: I have no name!@debian:~$ |
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| 14:42.30 | G_81 | jelly: Thanks. so through out the debian 9 support cycle, the kernel upgrades and versions would be minor versions and we wouldnt move to 4.10. Is that right |
| 14:42.36 | jelly | AlexPortable: so show your complete ssh client command and full output before and including that prompt |
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| 14:42.45 | jelly | G_81: correct |
| 14:42.54 | G_81 | jelly: thanks a lot for the information |
| 14:43.11 | jelly | much like 3.16.x is chosen for debian 8 |
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| 14:43.45 | AlexPortable | jelly: ssh jaileduser@localhost |
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| 14:47.02 | jelly | AlexPortable: alright! does the user with that uid have a valid /etc/passwd entry inside the jail? What does "getent passwd jaileduser" say in that shell. |
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| 14:49.59 | AlexPortable | nothing |
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| 14:50.26 | AlexPortable | jaileduser:x:1006:1007::/home/jaileduser:/bin/bash |
| 14:50.35 | AlexPortable | from the jailed /etc/passwd ^ |
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| 14:54.19 | jelly | AlexPortable: so you have broken user id lookup inside jail. this is managed by "nss" subsystem, part of glibc. Do you have a /etc/nsswitch.conf inside jail and what does it say? |
| 14:54.32 | AlexPortable | nope dont have it |
| 14:54.50 | jelly | then nss won't work for obvious raisins |
| 14:55.09 | AlexPortable | although after copying it won't work either |
| 14:56.29 | jelly | AlexPortable: ok. what does the line starting with "passwd:" in that file say? |
| 14:56.38 | AlexPortable | passwd: compat |
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| 14:57.19 | jelly | AlexPortable: and do you have anything ls -la /lib/*/libnss_compat.so.* inside jail? |
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| 14:57.39 | AlexPortable | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Apr 12 00:13 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnss_compat.so.2 -> libnss_compat-2.24.so |
| 14:57.57 | AlexPortable | erm no |
| 14:57.59 | AlexPortable | not in the jail |
| 14:58.01 | jelly | AlexPortable: and is there also a /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnss_compat-2.24.so regular file? |
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| 14:58.12 | AlexPortable | ls: cannot access '/jail/lib/*/libnss_compat.so.*': No such file or directory |
| 14:58.19 | jelly | well then |
| 14:58.34 | jelly | compat module for nss won't work if it's not there |
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| 15:00.41 | AlexPortable | copied both, still the same |
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| 15:01.58 | jelly | AlexPortable: ok, so now you can go "strace getent passwd jaileduser" and see what else it's missing |
| 15:02.51 | jelly | AlexPortable: "strace -f -eopen getent passwd jaileduser", perhaps, for a start, if that doesn't yield clues drop the "-e open" part to get a lot more detail |
| 15:03.41 | AlexPortable | https://pastebin.com/tqPFHaKg |
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| 15:04.33 | jelly | AlexPortable: figure out other libraries that are missing, like that libnsl.so.1 thing, and put them in jail |
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| 15:05.45 | AlexPortable | Do I need them actually? |
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| 15:05.58 | AlexPortable | As in; is it only for fixing 'I have no name', or also for other reasons? |
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| 15:06.32 | VentGrey | Hello Debian users, has anyone else experienced a breakage in caja from MATE desktop? |
| 15:06.37 | jelly | AlexPortable: it is only for fixing "getent passwd jaileduser" |
| 15:06.43 | AlexPortable | aha |
| 15:06.49 | VentGrey | An update just pulled today and caja died :C |
| 15:06.54 | VentGrey | Upgrade: libgcrypt20:amd64 (1.7.6-1, 1.7.6-2), libgcrypt20:i386 (1.7.6-1, 1.7.6-2) |
| 15:07.20 | jelly | AlexPortable: which is probably the very same thing your shell does when it tries to look up username matching the numerical uid. |
| 15:07.50 | webuser5224 | Hello everyone! |
| 15:07.58 | jelly | AlexPortable: technically it should be "getent passwd 1000" |
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| 15:08.46 | webuser5224 | I just read that the release of Stretch is happening soon. Can I simply install Jessie and change the repositories to Stretch? |
| 15:08.51 | jelly | AlexPortable: or whatever numeric uid value that user has, but the code for both uid->username and username->uid mapping is in nss. |
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| 15:09.27 | jelly | webuser5224: no, there's a procedure to do a "release upgrade" and it's never just switching repos. |
| 15:09.47 | jelly | dpkg, jessie->stretch |
| 15:09.47 | dpkg | Remember that Debian 9 "Stretch" is still pre-release and that security support will not always be timely. Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <stretch release notes> http://deb.li/ipf4z . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch". apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
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| 15:10.13 | VentGrey | o-o |
| 15:10.17 | jelly | webuser5224: if you plan on doing an in-place release upgrade, DO read the release notes for stretch. |
| 15:10.37 | AlexPortable | webuser5224: I think you would be better off installing the RC3 for stretch |
| 15:10.54 | webuser5224 | I'm planning on doing a new installation and asking myself if it's worth the work to upgrade if the release is so close. |
| 15:11.02 | Cerebr0 | Hello ! I'm having trouble installing Debian on my Lenovo Thinkpad W510, it requires a non free firmware, am i supposed to copy/paste it on the boot key so it get installed ? |
| 15:11.06 | jelly | VentGrey: which debian is this? What is caja? Did you get this caja from debian repos? |
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| 15:11.28 | VentGrey | Debian 9 Everything from repos, pure debian, no extra repos, nothing. |
| 15:12.03 | VentGrey | Caja is the filemanager from MATE desktop, and those 2 libs are part of the core system, if i remove those i kill amost everythinh |
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| 15:12.58 | webuser5224 | Is the current Stable netinstaller simply going to install Stretch after it's release or how does this work? |
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| 15:15.43 | webuser5224 | AlexPortable, I saw the latest Stretch RC is RC4. Should I just use that and after the release, I can simply upgrade as usual? |
| 15:16.00 | AlexPortable | RC4 is basically stretch, just not stable yet |
| 15:16.18 | jelly | VentGrey: file a bug report, stretch is still testing. |
| 15:16.22 | AlexPortable | I'd recommend waiting for the stretch release |
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| 15:17.05 | jelly | webuser5224: the "current" stable netinst will point to stretch netinst when that happens |
| 15:17.25 | webuser5224 | jelly, thank you! |
| 15:17.30 | jelly | also "stable" repo will start pointing to "stretch" as well |
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| 15:17.56 | Cerebr0 | Is there a specific date when stretch will be the new stable version ? |
| 15:18.06 | greycat | Nobody should ever use "stable" in their sources.list. Use the release name (stretch, jessie, wheezy) instead. So you won't be surprised. |
| 15:18.21 | greycat | Cerebr0: see /topic |
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| 15:19.22 | Cerebr0 | Oh the 17th of June |
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| 15:22.05 | stevenm | previously (i swear - well I think I swear... :S) if you preseeded passwords for a package (using debconf) ... after you'd installed said package - they'd be left there visible with debconf-show... so you'd have to reset or purge |
| 15:22.27 | stevenm | but on debian 8 - at least from I can see ... it gets rid of them... somehow . . anyone know about this? |
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| 15:25.58 | jelly | good thing we don't have a policy against swearing in here |
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| 15:27.42 | BluesKaj | heh, i missed that :-) |
| 15:29.25 | jelly | stevenm: I _think_ most apps postinst wipe theirs if they're successful, no idea if this is policy mandated but at least https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/debconf_specification.html says > consider clearing that value out of the database as soon as is possible. |
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| 15:30.25 | stevenm | jelly, ah i see its up to the package in question - well it seems mysql is sensible enough to wipe it |
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| 15:30.31 | stevenm | or it is now anyway |
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| 15:33.49 | wr | to export all debian logs, it's just /var/logs copy? or can i issue a command? |
| 15:34.00 | jelly | export them where? |
| 15:34.32 | greycat | Individual programs may log anywhere they like. |
| 15:34.42 | jelly | wr: sane services keep logs in /var/log, but some user apps may keep stuff in user's $HOME |
| 15:35.12 | jelly | and of course you can usually configure both apps and services to log elsewhere or nowhere |
| 15:35.29 | wr | jelly, i need then in a folder because i had an incident here with a machine |
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| 15:35.55 | jelly | wr: consider setting up logging to a remote syslog server. |
| 15:35.57 | greycat | Well, start by copying /var/log and if you discover that you're missing some, then copy those as well. |
| 15:36.05 | greycat | Also what jelly says. |
| 15:36.24 | jelly | to prevent or preempt future incidents |
| 15:37.46 | jhutchins_wk | wr: Java apps frequently do odd logging. Suspect anything not installed via apt/dpkg. |
| 15:37.47 | jelly | I hear journald also has its own remote thing, don't know how reliable that is |
| 15:37.51 | greycat | "remote logging" is for programs that use the syslog(3) or logger(1) interfaces, which is *most* of the small to medium services (ssh logins, cron, etc.). You can set it up to send a copy of all log messages to a remote host. |
| 15:38.15 | greycat | Larger applications like web servers tend to do their own logging, outside of the syslog interface. |
| 15:38.23 | jelly | if said java apps use log4j or a fork, that lib is very configurable |
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| 15:39.33 | jelly | and when everything else fails, there are tools that detect and read any changes to local log files, and send them further |
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| 15:48.30 | Expression93 | I have been trying to set up a pptp proxy on my debian server, and am using pptpd, if I disable the use of the remote gateway I (obviously) get an internet connection, but if I enable use of remote gateway then I lose all internet access, however of course connection to the server such as via PuTTY still works fine. |
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| 15:51.40 | theseb | suspend/sleep mystery....AFTER an upgrade, when I try to wake up from suspend I |
| 15:51.43 | theseb | hear some noises then nothing....It is almost as if resume can do half the work |
| 15:51.46 | theseb | but something in middle stops it...Does that clue give any indication what could |
| 15:51.49 | theseb | be the problem? I tried booting with old kernels but still same problem with resume!? |
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| 15:55.46 | jhutchins_wk | Expression93: The server is failing to route your traffic to it's gateway. |
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| 15:57.14 | Expression93 | jhutchins_wk: Can you make any suggestions of things to check? I am new to using Debian or even Linux in general. I've already set the following: net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 |
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| 15:58.02 | Expression93 | In /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 16:08.04 | G_81 | is it possible to download live cd images of debian 9 (rc version) ? |
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| 16:09.31 | jhutchins_wk | Expression93: I would check the configuration of the PTP server. There's an explicit option to turn forwarding on or off, and it's not the kernel flag (what you set above). |
| 16:10.01 | jhutchins_wk | G_81: The live images may not have been built yet. |
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| 16:10.40 | jhutchins_wk | G_81: For further info see /topic |
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| 16:11.18 | jhutchins_wk | Topic has /msg dpkg install stretch twice. |
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| 16:36.02 | aantoonio | is everyone sleeping? |
| 16:36.12 | larvallid | aantoonio, no im here |
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| 16:37.11 | aantoonio | oh. i thought f-ed up the xchat install :) |
| 16:38.10 | aantoonio | kali is using debian installer not? |
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| 16:39.54 | uxfi | hey guys |
| 16:40.00 | uxfi | anyone using Debian server at home network? |
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| 16:40.02 | uxfi | for a home network* |
| 16:40.16 | SerajewelKS | !anyone |
| 16:40.16 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 16:41.52 | jhutchins_wk | !kali |
| 16:41.53 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 16:45.30 | ryan22 | hey |
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| 16:47.02 | ryan22 | WHy am I having a delay when I'm pressing Caps Lock? I mean, after a things that I write with CAps lock, there's a delay to lower. For EXample instead of Example? |
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| 16:47.56 | jhutchins_wk | ryan22: Caps Lock? Or just shift? |
| 16:47.58 | larvallid | ryan22, try typing with shift key when you only need one letter to be capitalized? |
| 16:48.58 | ryan22 | Didn't know about it, thank you. |
| 16:49.24 | greycat | ... what. |
| 16:49.52 | larvallid | greycat, he can figure out how to connect to irc but didn't know how to use shift key |
| 16:50.34 | greycat | And had no follow-up questions at all when you revealed this deep mystery. |
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| 16:51.35 | larvallid | but i do know what he was talking about. caps lock turns on when you press the key. but caps lock is only turned off when the key is pressed and then released. (this behavior doesn't occur on windows.) |
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| 17:04.07 | smokingrope | i'm currently trying to figure out a networking issue |
| 17:05.00 | smokingrope | i've tried debian 8.8.0 live cd (XFCE desktop environment), i tried running the installer from this livecd, i've tried using the net-install iso and i've also tried the latest gentoo live cd |
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| 17:05.37 | smokingrope | in all 4 cases, i'm able to acquire a DHCP address just fine but afterwards there is aboslutely no connectivity |
| 17:06.00 | smokingrope | i am dual booting, and when i boot to windows everything works just great |
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| 17:06.52 | jhutchins_wk | larvallid: Oh, you mean it doesn't turn off until the key is released. |
| 17:07.26 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: I had no idea either, nor did I have any clue that people actually press and hold Caps Lock thinking it's the same as Shift.... |
| 17:07.28 | jhutchins_wk | I can imagine that someone with restricted physical access to the keyboard and only able to press one key at a time would use the Lock for one letter. |
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| 17:07.56 | jhutchins_wk | Just goes to show you can't make too many assumptions. |
| 17:08.17 | smokingrope | ping gives me various messages such as destination unreachable, network unavailable, or just dropped packets, and i can't really discern how it's picking which error messages to show but it seems like it may be related to the routing table or something, because pinging a host like 8.8.8.8 seems to much more frequently yield packet loss wheras pingi |
| 17:08.17 | smokingrope | ng my dhcp / gateway server yields host / network unreachable more frequently |
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| 17:08.44 | pie3 | do you use email client? |
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| 17:10.11 | smokingrope | if anybody can help point me in the proper direction it would be greatly appreciated! |
| 17:10.32 | kline | smokingrope, i cant help, but keep looking for it in here |
| 17:10.38 | kline | if you cant, there's also ##networking |
| 17:10.42 | aantoonio | Here on irc. for the life of me, I can't figure out how to talk to someone in this window (not private) without to manually type their name, there must be something i am missing. Like if i get a response back it has my name so i know it intended for me and not ment for everyone also it give me a audio signal. Do they type "aantoonio" manually? |
| 17:11.01 | kline | aantoonio, try "kli" and then hit TAB |
| 17:11.45 | aantoonio | kline, aaah, bash my head. |
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| 17:11.52 | passstab | I'm having trouble updating my system, minissdpd causes a problem |
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| 17:12.19 | passstab | https://hastebin.com/ivivoroxul.sql |
| 17:12.50 | jhutchins_wk | smokingrope: Partial packet loss is like a weak connection - some packets get through, some don't. |
| 17:13.07 | smokingrope | it's not partial |
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| 17:13.18 | jhutchins_wk | smokingrope: Network Unreachable means it can't even reach the subnet the target is on. |
| 17:13.20 | smokingrope | it manages to connect to DHCP server and acquire network settings just fine |
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| 17:13.37 | smokingrope | but it's complete packet loss, even to the dhcp server, once it's gotten that far |
| 17:13.44 | jhutchins_wk | smokingrope: Is udp response enabled on the DHCP server? |
| 17:13.46 | smokingrope | (e.g. after i do the ifup) |
| 17:14.05 | larvallid | quit |
| 17:14.13 | jhutchins_wk | smokingrope: DHCP requests are broadcasts, not routed. Ping is routed. |
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| 17:14.49 | smokingrope | no idea about the udp responses question... |
| 17:14.50 | jhutchins_wk | smokingrope: On the other hand, that's just the initial request. |
| 17:14.55 | passstab | that paste is obivously not an attempt to upgrade the entire system, I thought I would leave out the unimportant stuff |
| 17:15.15 | jhutchins_wk | smokingrope: It would be interesting if a DHCP server could send a configuration that disabled the route to itself. |
| 17:15.20 | smokingrope | in my dhcp server log i do have the DHCPACK / DHCPREQUEST |
| 17:15.58 | greycat | jelly: see, observe the hate-bin link. |
| 17:16.10 | smokingrope | it's all a completely functional DHCP with several other debian installs plus my windows machines |
| 17:16.49 | SerajewelKS | passstab: it looks like systemctl can't connect to systemd. it might be worth rebooting to make sure that systemd is working correctly. |
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| 17:16.54 | jhutchins_wk | passstab: It looks like a package was installed and then files from it were deleted manually. |
| 17:17.17 | SerajewelKS | passstab: in particular, it looks like the systemd control socket is missing |
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| 17:17.49 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: Wouldn't it be easier to ask systemctl for a status? |
| 17:18.08 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: what is systemctl going to ask if it can't connect to the service manager? |
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| 17:18.35 | passstab | hang on, I'll reboot now |
| 17:18.38 | mutantturkey | hi guys. Just installed a fresh VM with debian, but for some reason I can't get ANY ssl working. I keep getting back errors like wge |
| 17:18.39 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: It will fail and show that it's not a problem with the package. |
| 17:18.46 | mutantturkey | x hasn't got a known issuer |
| 17:18.56 | mutantturkey | do i need to run / install anything to get most common certs? |
| 17:19.05 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: Rebooting a broken system can have unanticipated consequences. |
| 17:19.43 | mutantturkey | /etc/ssl/certs has a bunch of certificats in it |
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| 17:20.28 | jhutchins_wk | mutantturkey: How did you do the install? What hypervisor? |
| 17:20.36 | mutantturkey | Install done with LiveCD. |
| 17:20.37 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: in particular it looks like he's using nosh and the socket has gone missing, i'm not sure how else he's going to talk to his init system without that socket |
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| 17:20.39 | mutantturkey | VirtualBox |
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| 17:21.31 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: I thought he was missing the init script/service file for that package, but I guess we'll see. |
| 17:21.47 | passstab | SerajewelKS, reboot went fine |
| 17:21.52 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: /run/service-manager/control is the nosh socket |
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| 17:42.59 | mutantturkey | is there a way to get a more recent ca-certificate package ? |
| 17:43.16 | greycat | ,v ca-certificate |
| 17:43.17 | judd | No package named 'ca-certificate' was found in amd64. |
| 17:43.26 | moufl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.28 | mutantturkey | ,v ca-certificates |
| 17:43.29 | judd | Package: ca-certificates on amd64 -- wheezy: 20130119+deb7u1; jessie: 20141019+deb8u3; stretch: 20161130+nmu1; sid: 20161130+nmu1 |
| 17:43.45 | mutantturkey | so... one would probably need something newre than 2014 for recent certificates right? |
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| 17:48.18 | SuperSeriousCat | https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 17:48.35 | mutantturkey | I pulled down the latest package from SID. |
| 17:48.38 | mutantturkey | still getting handshake errors |
| 17:48.44 | mutantturkey | for any ssl site |
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| 17:49.35 | buu | ok |
| 17:49.41 | buu | Where exactly is `apt search` documented? |
| 17:49.45 | greycat | mutantturkey: what program, what web site? |
| 17:49.50 | greycat | buu: in man apt |
| 17:49.54 | mutantturkey | greycat: so |
| 17:49.56 | buu | greycat: sadly no =[ |
| 17:49.59 | buu | tried there first |
| 17:50.03 | mutantturkey | wget, curl, php, etc |
| 17:50.04 | greycat | buu: which version of Debian? |
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| 17:50.12 | mutantturkey | even apt can't authenticate, with a fresh intsall of debian jessie |
| 17:50.13 | buu | greycat: 8.8 |
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| 17:50.40 | greycat | buu: jessie, "man apt" => "search search searches for the given term(s) and display matching packages." |
| 17:50.48 | buu | you consider that documentation? |
| 17:50.55 | mutantturkey | man apt-search |
| 17:51.12 | buu | No manual entry for apt-search |
| 17:51.17 | mutantturkey | man apt-cache search |
| 17:51.32 | greycat | apt-cache and apt are different programs, and behave differently |
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| 17:51.50 | mutantturkey | wow, i have never heard of apt search in my many years of using it |
| 17:51.53 | mutantturkey | the more you know... |
| 17:52.03 | buu | For instance, how do I get 'apt search apache2' to only return packages whose name matches apache2? |
| 17:52.56 | greycat | mutantturkey: the "apt" command is new in jessie, and pretty flaky |
| 17:53.09 | mutantturkey | dpkg -l | grep @unaf |
| 17:53.09 | dpkg | ii | grep @unaf 3.1-15.3 mutantturkey's private porn collection |
| 17:53.14 | mutantturkey | lols |
| 17:53.18 | greycat | buu: try --names-only like apt-cache uses? I don't know. I would use apt-cache. |
| 17:53.20 | mutantturkey | just do apt-cache search apachde2 | grep apache2 |
| 17:53.33 | mutantturkey | throw a grep on and it'll give you whatever pattern you want to match |
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| 17:53.44 | mutantturkey | so... is there anything one needs to do to get SSL working in general? |
| 17:54.03 | mutantturkey | as far as I can tell my system is up to date |
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| 17:57.40 | buu | dpkg -l test |
| 17:57.40 | dpkg | No packages found matching test |
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| 17:57.45 | buu | o.o |
| 18:00.50 | passstab | SerajewelKS what should I do? |
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| 18:19.36 | mutantturkey | ree... still can't figure out this problem |
| 18:19.56 | mutantturkey | ran update-ca-certificates --fresh, my cert folder looks fine |
| 18:20.23 | mutantturkey | wget https://google.com |
| 18:20.26 | mutantturkey | @unaf |
| 18:20.38 | mutantturkey | gives me something like: The ertificate of google.com hasn't got a known issuer |
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| 18:26.47 | jhutchins_wk | buu: Quotes (+regex). |
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| 18:31.45 | jhutchins_wk | mutantturkey: Might want to try aptitude -f install |
| 18:31.50 | kolnpole | i ssh my remote server and ran a program my INTERNET got disconnected so my ssh session got disconnected ... but now i again did ssh to server and when i did ps aux i can see that process still running , how can i again take countrol of it |
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| 18:34.32 | jhutchins_wk | kolnpole: https://github.com/nelhage/reptyr , conspy |
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| 18:35.06 | jhutchins_wk | kolnpole: If this happens often, make a habit of running screen on the remote. (Don't try to automate that.) |
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| 18:37.10 | mutantturkey | jhutchins_wk: didn't do anything at all |
| 18:37.20 | mutantturkey | nothing upgraded, nothing installed |
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| 18:38.05 | jhutchins_wk | mutantturkey: Then that's not the problem. Maybe reinstall all related packages? |
| 18:38.54 | mutantturkey | i already reinstalled ca-cretificates and openssl |
| 18:39.00 | mutantturkey | i am wondering if I am missing a package? |
| 18:39.32 | jhutchins_wk | mutantturkey: Hard to say, a default install Just Works. |
| 18:39.54 | mutantturkey | jhutchins_wk: bro |
| 18:40.00 | mutantturkey | if it "just worked" it'd be working right now |
| 18:40.07 | jhutchins_wk | mutantturkey: Right. |
| 18:40.10 | mutantturkey | ;) |
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| 18:40.22 | mutantturkey | thats why i am wondering if i selected all the appropriate packages |
| 18:40.30 | jhutchins_wk | mutantturkey: The reason the whole channel isn't clamoring to help is that we don't see this happening enough to know what to look at. |
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| 18:41.10 | mutantturkey | Right |
| 18:41.16 | jhutchins_wk | mutantturkey: I think if you have openssl and the certs it would have pulled in any dependent packages - that's what dependencies are all about: "This won't work without that." |
| 18:41.26 | mutantturkey | exactly |
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| 18:47.02 | mutantturkey | jhutchins_wk: just found a lead |
| 18:47.10 | mutantturkey | i think my company is overriding certs somehow.... |
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| 19:05.40 | tga1 | greetings. so there is one package (stow) that is unusably broken in stable, but the next version in testing is ok -- what's the standard way of dealing with this while keeping the system on stable? |
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| 19:08.39 | tga1 | the package is not in backports btw |
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| 19:12.05 | jhutchins_wk | !ssb |
| 19:12.06 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 19:12.38 | jhutchins_wk | I suppose you could do that from testing instead of sid. |
| 19:13.08 | tga1 | makes sense, thanks! |
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| 19:16.24 | tga1 | so much for using stow on all systems to install my dotfiles |
| 19:16.28 | jhutchins_wk | tga1: If we weren't so close to release I'd suggest that you request a backport. |
| 19:17.15 | tga1 | I'll investigate a statically linked binary, I could maybe dump that in my repo |
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| 19:24.59 | tga1 | for the record at least xstow works as expected in stable |
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| 19:25.06 | tga1 | more or less the same things |
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| 19:59.21 | jelly | msiism, the parts where hardware or firmware, esp. boot firmware is different |
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| 20:00.03 | msiism | jelly: ok. thanks. |
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| 20:02.05 | jelly | many systems can't boot from cd or usb media, others can't boot from network, some need media prepared with the specific model in mind |
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| 20:02.44 | jelly | some don't have serial consoles, some don't have graphic cards at all |
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| 20:41.02 | jelly | Antares, English here please |
| 20:41.15 | Antares | sorry |
| 20:41.17 | jelly | and good evening to you as well |
| 20:41.23 | Antares | <3 |
| 20:41.31 | jelly | remember this is a tech support channel |
| 20:41.42 | Antares | ok i remember |
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| 20:47.41 | jhutchins_wk | sorin-mihai_: That doesn't sound like standard Debian packages. |
| 20:48.09 | jhutchins_wk | sorin-mihai_: Usually that's an amateur packager that has left the files with his own ownership/permissions. |
| 20:48.30 | jhutchins_wk | sorin-mihai_: If you really have to have that package, get the source and build your own package from it. |
| 20:49.00 | sorin-mihai_ | or with groupadd -g instead of -r. but let's say the wrong is done, is there a way to find those files, and fix the permissions? |
| 20:50.38 | sorin-mihai_ | the thing is i'm trying to figure out a way to find and fix these inconsistencies in different distros with shared uid:guid in different ways, some ldap, some nfs/smb, in multiple systems... |
| 20:51.09 | jelly | sorin-mihai_, only ship files owned by root:root, problem solved |
| 20:51.37 | sorin-mihai_ | lol |
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| 20:52.30 | sorin-mihai_ | that is before someone made a mistake. i'm trying to fix it afterwards... |
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| 20:53.18 | jelly | sorin-mihai_, do you have an actual example of suck a mistake on a debian system? |
| 20:53.22 | jelly | such* |
| 20:54.10 | sorin-mihai | in a mixed environment, not debian specific, some package was installed, it created a group with groupadd -g and it borked some folder's guid |
| 20:54.36 | sorin-mihai | then someone that wasn't supposed to got access to that folder... |
| 20:54.53 | jelly | how exactly did you install this package? |
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| 20:55.28 | sorin-mihai | has to assume he did, but he didn't, taking one for the team, lol |
| 20:55.32 | sorin-mihai | from source |
| 20:55.58 | jelly | which exact sequence of commands did you (or they) use? |
| 20:56.10 | jhutchins_wk | sorin-mihai: Yup, that's the kind of thing that happens when you don't properly vet your software. |
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| 20:56.34 | jhutchins_wk | sorin-mihai: The process to correct your system is called a "clean install". |
| 20:56.40 | sorin-mihai | groupadd -g; mkdir; chown groupname; or soemthing like that |
| 20:57.12 | jelly | sorin-mihai, is there _anything_ about this question that is related to Debian? |
| 20:57.37 | sorin-mihai | is there a standard followed in debian regarding uid:guid allocation? |
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| 20:58.21 | greycat | 0 is root, 1000+ are user accounts, 1-999 are system accounts |
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| 20:58.46 | jelly | except 65534 :-\ |
| 21:00.38 | sorin-mihai | right. so the groupadd -g created a group with the 1st available 1000+ guid, hence the problem. reinstalling is not an option... |
| 21:01.17 | jelly | sorin-mihai, why is that a problem? |
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| 21:02.13 | sorin-mihai | because that guid was allocated to a user group in a different system, and that group got access to the content |
| 21:02.34 | pie33 | sudo openvpn --config vpnbook-euro1-tcp443.ovpn |
| 21:02.34 | pie33 | Options error: In [CMD-LINE]:1: Error opening configuration file: vpnbook-euro1-tcp443.ovpn |
| 21:02.34 | pie33 | Use --help for more information. |
| 21:02.39 | jelly | sorin-mihai, and they changed things, just because they could? |
| 21:02.40 | pie33 | how to resolve this error? |
| 21:02.47 | greycat | sorin-mihai: so... change the GIDs, either of the account(s), or of the files. |
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| 21:03.39 | sorin-mihai | jelly, and then they changed the guid in the affected system after the files where propagated to other systems and now i have to hunt them down and revoke access... |
| 21:04.25 | jelly | restore a copy from backups and compare original permissions to current ones. |
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| 21:11.07 | jelly | pie33, it seems you don't have a file named "vpnbook-euro1-tcp443.ovpn" in the right place? |
| 21:11.59 | pie33 | i resolved with placing at correct place je |
| 21:12.01 | pie33 | jelly: |
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| 21:24.29 | pie33 | ow to run a script when internet is connected to a computer? |
| 21:24.33 | pie33 | hoq |
| 21:24.35 | pie33 | how |
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| 22:00.07 | AlexPortable | n-st: no, it always happens during a netsplit, becasue people rejoin or change their name quickly |
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| 22:09.23 | peixoto | hello there |
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| 22:10.38 | peixoto | tell me, i saved a txt file with my list of softwares installed with a command, in order to use another command to install automatically these programs on my new fresh install, but i don't remember the command and where to find it. can you help me with this? thank you. |
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| 22:11.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | dpkg, selections |
| 22:12.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | I forget how to use the bot. |
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| 22:13.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | peixoto, see the "Restore installed software" section here: https://wiki.debian.org/ListInstalledPackages |
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| 22:14.59 | peixoto | ok, thanks Eduard_Munteanu |
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| 22:23.32 | Antares | Debian have in repositoris Ubuntu Studio ? |
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| 22:27.45 | ksk | Antares: did you search the repositories? https://packages.debian.org |
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| 22:28.22 | ksk | (the anwser seems to be no) |
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| 23:13.20 | nine_milli | can someone list the steps to format and mount it? |
| 23:13.29 | nine_milli | itâs been quite a while |
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| 23:34.32 | larvallid | Atm0spher1c, hi, you worked with me one week ago trying to stop my RTL8821AE wifi from disconnecting. i was busy because of school work. i'm ready to start troubleshooting now. i currently have debian 9 RC4 installed with minimal modifications to the system. |
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| 23:38.45 | larvallid | can anyone else help me with wifi? after a while of being connected to wifi network, realtek RTL8821AE connection indicator reads "connected" but i cannot send any data. |
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| 23:39.01 | glick | hi, how can i install the debian info files? |
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| 23:39.06 | AlexPortable | glick: info files? |
| 23:39.13 | glick | do i really need to activeate the non free repo? |
| 23:39.18 | AlexPortable | larvallid: I don't know the details but are you sure your AP isn't broken? |
| 23:39.18 | Atm0spher1c | larvallid, what DE? |
| 23:39.22 | glick | yeah AlexPortable |
| 23:39.44 | AlexPortable | glick: what are info files |
| 23:40.10 | larvallid | Atm0spher1c, GNOME, which comes with debian 8 and 9. with the network-manager component. |
| 23:40.25 | Atm0spher1c | did you install firmware-realtek? |
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| 23:41.22 | Atm0spher1c | larvallid, also as AlexPortable said, are you sure your AP isn't broken. Other devices stay connected? |
| 23:41.46 | larvallid | AlexPortable, by AP, do you mean the realtek wifi card? if so, the same problem has occurred on windows. but unlike linux, i can simply turn airplane mode on, then off, and wifi will work again. eventually the problem was solved, probably by an update. if by AP you mean router, no other devices connected to same router have a problem. |
| 23:41.47 | Atm0spher1c | glick, are you talking about info package? apt install info |
| 23:42.07 | Atm0spher1c | larvallid, access point, wifi router |
| 23:42.51 | AlexPortable | Airplane mode on and off in windows will most likely switch the adapter on and off (to save battery) |
| 23:42.56 | larvallid | AlexPortable, Atm0spher1c, in fact, the same problem occurs at my school. the disconnects occur on networks that use personal, enterprise, none (open) security. |
| 23:42.59 | AlexPortable | In linux there is no such thing |
| 23:43.16 | larvallid | AlexPortable, so the adapter just stays on all the time? |
| 23:43.23 | AlexPortable | I think yes |
| 23:43.56 | larvallid | AlexPortable, and it might help to mention: on windows, when the disconnect occurs, some applications like google chrome will stop responding until airplane mode is turned on. |
| 23:44.04 | AlexPortable | So the problem is there only with WPA2, and only there on a network without authentication? |
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| 23:45.14 | larvallid | AlexPortable, no, the problem exists with every type of encryption, including on an open network. |
| 23:45.21 | Atm0spher1c | larvallid, you can still turn off the wifi aka airplane mode |
| 23:45.47 | AlexPortable | Atm0spher1c: I think that's just rfkill, and not actually disconnecting the adapter (which i suspect windows does) |
| 23:45.49 | Atm0spher1c | larvallid, maybe the wifi card is bad? |
| 23:45.58 | Atm0spher1c | if the problem happens in windows as well |
| 23:46.15 | larvallid | Atm0spher1c, is a failing wifi card a common thing? is there a way to test it? |
| 23:46.24 | Atm0spher1c | AlexPortable, is rfkill different than - ifdown wlan0? |
| 23:46.31 | Atm0spher1c | or ip link set wlan0 down |
| 23:46.35 | AlexPortable | yes |
| 23:46.35 | larvallid | AlexPortable, do you know how i can disconnect the adapter, as you said, on linux? |
| 23:47.22 | Atm0spher1c | it sounds like it might be failing. |
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| 23:47.26 | AlexPortable | https://askubuntu.com/questions/276833/what-is-the-difference-between-ifconfig-interface-down-and-rfkill-block |
| 23:47.49 | Atm0spher1c | although i had a machine once that i thought had a failed wifi card ( using windows ) |
| 23:47.52 | AlexPortable | Atm0spher1c: also you can't enable an interface once it's being blocked by rfkill |
| 23:48.04 | Atm0spher1c | years later i booted with debian and the card worked fine |
| 23:48.27 | Atm0spher1c | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 23:51.38 | larvallid | Atm0spher1c, AlexPortable, also, strange stuff i need to ask. based on my knowledge, free firmware for realtek adapters do not exist. and, the official debian images don't contain nonfree software. when i installed debian 8, the card did not work out of the box, and i had to install firwmare-realtek 0.43 (which resulted in a slow link speed) or lwfinger's rtlwifi_new (which allowed a fast link speed). on debian 9 RC4, |
| 23:51.38 | larvallid | the wifi worked out of the box without any system modifications. do you know why this is? |
| 23:52.20 | Atm0spher1c | seems rfkill is kernel software switch |
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| 23:52.25 | larvallid | someone did mention that hardware can supply its own firmware/microcode, and since debian 9 uses linux kernel 4.9.0, the new kernel is able to pick up the firmware/microcode |
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| 23:53.09 | larvallid | Atm0spher1c, there is a hardware switch (FN+F2 keys) which i can use. |
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| 23:54.33 | Atm0spher1c | larvallid, so you have debian 9 (stretch), and added non-free to sources.list and installed firmware-realtek, correct? |
| 23:54.53 | Atm0spher1c | or you installed lwfinger's package again? |
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| 23:57.36 | larvallid | Atm0spher1c, no, as i have said, i have not made any system modifications except to install IDLE (python IDE) which i needed to work on school work. |
| 23:58.17 | Atm0spher1c | larvallid, so add non-free to sources, update, and install firmware-realtek |
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| 23:59.48 | larvallid | Atm0spher1c, first i want to check what firmware is currently installed. how can i do that? and note that when i power on the system, it says "failed to load firmware rtl8821ae_fw.bin" or something like that. |