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00:25.36ToyKeeperIs there a known issue with mounting nfs3 in debian 9?  Ever since updating, I just get "mount.nfs: mount system call failed".
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00:26.06ToyKeeperIt looks like there may be something going on with systemd, which has the "nfs-common" service masked.
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00:29.40ToyKeeperFirst time in at least a decade I've run into nfs issues...  usually I can just "apt install nfs-common" then mount nfs3 shares.
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00:35.38ToyKeeperIf I try to downgrade nfs-common and rpcbind to a version which is known to work, apt tells me I'll have to remove systemd.
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00:42.24ToyKeeperfinds some intermediate older packages in /var/cache/apt/archives on another system, installs them, and suddenly nfs3 works again.
00:42.42ToyKeeperI suppose I should probably file a bug for this.
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01:06.54__imp__hi hi... I'm was pretty used to init. Now I have turned to systemd (so far so good), but for some reason my system ALWAYS get stuck while mounting my local disk and goes to emergency mode. I do not need to do anything besides a CTRL+D and the system finishes to boot fine. I was not able to figure out what can be hapenning. It says: systemd[1]: Timed out waiting for device
01:06.59__imp__dev-disk-by\x2duuid-ac26e212\x2d0185\x2d49ed\x2d8373\x2dbb512b74180c.device  (that is my home partition, but home is finely mounted). Can some soul help me to figureout what is happening?
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01:14.15__imp__my fstab is here: https://pastebin.com/LmiN0U6E
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01:19.55alyssaIf I file a request for packaging on a trivial package (arch any, written in C with a simple makefile), what are the chances that somebody will get do it? Alternatively, if I package it myself, what are the chances it will be sponsored?
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01:30.54awal1any wizard here for answer alyssa's question? :P
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02:23.42microshello. i have a string $2 coming in to a gawk script and it contains \x00\x00\x00  12 times.  How can i check for this?  I have tried if (!$2) if ($2 == "") neither work. thoughts?
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04:10.50theFancyHumanhi'
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04:14.30theFancyHumanAre you guys alright with raspbian / raspberry pi questions?
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04:14.57theFancyHuman#raspberrypi weren't much help
04:15.47alyssadon't ask to ask
04:15.53regent_sechello
04:16.05theFancyHumanOfc sorry
04:16.20TomG2dpkg, raspbian?
04:16.20dpkgRaspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>.  Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian.  Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.   http://www.raspbian.org/
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04:16.33theFancyHumanSorry for apologising X-D
04:16.36TomG2does that help at all?
04:16.46theFancyHumanI'll send the paste
04:16.50theFancyHumanNah
04:17.13TomG2i don't think they'll help here but I'm not going to stop you
04:17.17theFancyHumanI know what it is, I'm trying to install Metasploit but I am having problems with gems
04:17.43theFancyHumanYea fair enough
04:18.35theFancyHumanBasically, I'm getting this:
04:18.40theFancyHuman"There was an error parsing `Gemfile`:
04:18.57theFancyHuman"There was an error loading `metasploit-framework.gemspec`: can't modify frozen String. Bundler cannot continue."
04:19.23theFancyHumanThere is code below that error that outlines it in detail if anyone needs it
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04:19.59theFancyHumanoh
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04:21.16theFancyHumanOh
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04:37.31foul_owlDoes anyone here use debian for playing music? What music player do you use?
04:37.59zeebleClementine, with GUI
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04:38.15alyssaRhythmBox, also with GUI. Previously mpd + ncmpcpp. Before that GNOME music.
04:39.12foul_owlThanks! Do either of those have a "cover art" view?
04:39.28fhffhqvbsets badgers on foul_owl
04:39.53foul_owlWhat's wrong with my question
04:42.05foul_owlI've tried banshee but it seems extremely buggy. Just trying to find a good media player.
04:42.20TomG2i've heard complaints about linux library music players too
04:42.38TomG2in fact it doesn't seem like there's a really excellent one.  maybe try VLC
04:42.50zeebleYep, Clementine can show the cover art. But for a music manager + music player, it does suck a lot of resources.
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04:50.32foul_owlThanks! I'll take a look at that one
04:51.01foul_owlRhyhtmbox is cool also, but it segfaults fairly often (could be the cover art plugin)
04:52.57foul_owlMaybe I'll wait for stretch
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07:00.01sllideso i want to keep all my gnome packages when i apt uninstall firefox*
07:00.06sllidethey are all set to manual installed
07:00.11sllidebut apt still wants to remove them
07:00.16sllidehow can i prevent this?
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07:07.27_KaszpiR_ap hold
07:07.30_KaszpiR_*apt hold
07:09.30sllideah thanks!
07:10.30dionysus69i want to uninstall firefox-esr and it tells me these packages are no longer required https://gist.github.com/anonymous/cccfd4af2d353dea53cb2eb91c3e3cb5
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07:10.44dionysus69I wont make gnome unbootable right if I remove these too?
07:12.07sllide_KaszpiR_, when holding the gnome packages i cant remove it because of unmet dependencies
07:12.19sllideits weird that apt-set manual doesnt keep them
07:12.50sllidedionysus69, i dont think that will keep your system alive heh
07:12.54sllidelots of libraries
07:13.16dionysus69hmm
07:13.24dionysus69so I guess I ll have to manually mark them for installation
07:13.26sllidesudo apt-mark manual gnome-mime-data libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common libbonoboui2-0 libbonoboui2-common libglade2-0 libgnome-2-0 libgnome2-common libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomecanvas2-common libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common libgnomevfs2-extra liborbit-2-0
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07:13.58sllidei am currently having the problem of apt not keeping the packages i marked
07:14.01sllidewhile uninstalling firefox
07:14.35dionysus69I just did apt-get install those which marked them as manual
07:14.47dionysus69I didnt even know there was a separate command for that
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07:15.02sllideoh yeah that works too
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07:23.52funabashianyone know how i can do so a user only can see his own home dir and nothing else with sftp?
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07:29.13joltfunabashi: You can search for info on chroot ssh
07:29.36joltfunabashi: basically you add a user (or group) to a match config in sshd and sets som parameteters for sftp-server.
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07:35.33funabashijolt: do maybe can recommend any guide for this?
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07:38.18ToyKeeperWoot, it's fairly easy to limit chrome's memory use via cgroups.  :)
07:38.25joltfunabashi: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/03/chroot-sftp-setup perhaps
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07:41.32dionysus69firefox.desktop contains line icon = firefox
07:41.37dionysus69where is this firefox icon located
07:41.38dionysus69?
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07:43.08wwwwww45wanyone know of a good unified messenger like pidgin? something that works with facebook, irc, skype, etc
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07:43.51joltwwwwww45w: If you like IRC, then bitblee can at least provide the text interface for those
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07:44.06joltbut it's not a gui thing
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07:47.36joltfunabashi: This one was also pretty spot on https://askubuntu.com/a/649957
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07:59.47funabashijolt: confirmed that one works, thanks
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08:20.16talinhello. is there a safe way of upgrading gcc in jessie to a more recent version than 4.9?
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08:21.35babilentalin: Not easily .. You might want to upgrade to stretch which is expected to be released in a week or two
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08:22.07funabashijolt:  u know how i can do so the user gets direct to to the chrooted folder
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08:26.39talinbabilen: hmm, that is a good idea
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08:27.21joltfunabashi: Make sure the permissions are ok on the dirs above. Check your daemon.log for sshd error messages
08:28.02babilentalin: At this point I just don't see the point of doing work only to get the software you'd use in stretch anyway
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08:28.28joltfunabashi: For example, I use ChrootDirectory /data/www/public/, /data/www needs to be owned by root and not be writable. The public is used by my chrootuser
08:28.31talinbabilen: right. i would love to start using stretch already... and now at the end of a release, things are getting very old
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08:29.18babilenThat's the nature of things
08:29.38babilendpkg: jessie->stretch
08:29.38dpkgRemember that Debian 9 "Stretch" is still pre-release and that security support will not always be timely. Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <stretch release notes> http://deb.li/ipf4z . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch". apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade.
08:29.52babilentalin: ^ please refer to the release notes
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08:41.01pragomerany idea how I could force googlechrome always to open in incognito mode? I know I can edit the desktop-file in /usr/share/applications/ but this would only force it when I use the starter
08:41.17pragomernot when e.g. a html-file is opened from dolphin or mail app
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09:14.40Iridospragomer, what would be the benefit of that?
09:14.46Iridosand debian has chromium
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09:15.36Iridosand just make a wrapper that calls chromium --incognito and is called chromium-incognito and configure applications to use that instead
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09:19.14lendopragomer: encrypt /porn instead
09:19.52pragomerlendo: *LOL*
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09:24.26Iridoslendo, good point ^^
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09:44.02leszekhi I tried compiling chromium 59 with gcc 4.8.4 and libc6 2.19. I get this error when compiling the internal protobuf: https://pastebin.com/TSpSJ8qE
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09:44.30leszekany help would be great
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09:46.24Sir_Designertried adding that flag?
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09:50.31leszekSir_Designer: I thought it was added already. I added it but got the same result
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09:51.41lendoalso... stretch is out soon, with chromium 59
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09:52.53leszeklendo: yep I know. I want to have it for my older base here
09:53.03lendook..
09:53.57leszekI am just wondering why it does complain now. Chromium 57 for example (and the protobuf code did not change in years in the source tree of chromium) compiled just fine
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10:22.37kabo_Hi, quick question regarding bridge interface and routes.
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10:22.43kabo_I've looked at the guide here https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Configuring_bridging_in_.2Fetc.2Fnetwork.2Finterfaces
10:22.49kabo_but when I restart networking and run "ip route", there are two entries for my local network, one for eth0 and one for br0. Consequently I can't ping anything on my network unless I explicitly specify ping to use the br0-interface (ping -I br0).
10:22.56kabo_How do I get rid of that faulty route for eth0?
10:23.12kabo_using debian stretch
10:24.24xandip route delete
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10:24.53petn-randallkabo_: Can you show us your relevant config and the output of 'ip route'? → http://paste.debian.net
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10:25.22xande.g. ip route delete 192.168.0.0/24 dev eth0
10:25.36xandbut you should check that eth0 doesn't still have an IP address assigned.
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10:28.26kabo_petn-randall: https://paste.debian.net/970600/
10:29.20kabo_xand: ip route delete works great
10:29.26kabo_how do I make it permanent?
10:29.46xandkabo_: it won't come back unless an IP address appears on eth0 directly
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10:30.12kabo_hmm, enp0s25 does seem to have an IP address, the same as br0
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10:30.24BluesKajHi folks
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10:31.24kabo_xand: any ideas on how to stop enp0s25 from getting an IP address please?
10:31.43xandso it's not eth0?
10:31.50petn-randallkabo_: Can you show us the output of 'ip addr' and 'ip route'?
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10:32.14kabo_xand: yeah, I typed eth0 out of habit here in IRC :)
10:32.37xandright, depends on if you have NetworkManager, and what is in /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
10:33.29kabo_petn-randall: is there a way to pipe the output of those commands to paste.debian.org?
10:33.37petn-randallkabo_: sure
10:33.38petn-randall!pastebinit
10:33.39dpkgA command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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10:33.50kabo_xand: I just installed debian stretch, no desktop manager, just cli
10:34.13kabo_petn-randall: thanks :)
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10:34.44rephlexieis 'auto lo br0' missing an interface? ie. 'auto lo enp0s25 br0' etc etc
10:35.25kabo_petn-randall: https://paste.debian.net/970601
10:35.43kabo_petn-randall: https://paste.debian.net/970603
10:36.27kabo_rephlexie: I tried both variants, didn't seem to help
10:36.50petn-randallkabo_: Looks like you still had enp0s25 configured for DHCP before the changes. Rebooting should fix the issue.
10:37.59kabo_petn-randall: ah, ok, I'll try that :)
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10:38.10kabo_standard solution :)
10:38.47teraflopkabo_: aka itcrowd approach
10:39.12petn-randallkabo_: The cleaner solution would have been to 'ifdown enp0s25', then make the changes. But to go without rebooting would mean to revert the changes, issue that command, then put those changes back again. Probably too much work.
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10:45.18kabo_reboot worked, thanks :)
10:45.44petn-randallkabo_: You're welcome! :)
10:45.47kabo_I'll have to remember to ifdown whenever making changes to network interfaces in the future
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10:46.26teraflopor just ip link set interface down/up
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10:46.56dokmaMy Debian box which is my main workhorse started freezing and rebooting. I'm trying to fish out if it's soft or hard related.
10:47.12dokmaI suspect if there is nothing in the syslog it should be hard related?
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10:47.40dokmaIt's happening even if I am not working on the box.
10:48.04FreeBeastieyou know after you check the logs
10:48.08dokmaI'm in console now to possibly rule out issues with the graphics card.
10:48.23dokmaI've sifted through the logs and there's nothing at all...
10:48.42dokmasyslog apache mysql openvpn asterisk show nothing
10:48.55FreeBeastielook for cpu
10:49.14FreeBeastiei had stalls with hybrid
10:49.25FreeBeastiegpu
10:49.46teraflopdokma: also logic to the rescue: did you install something before the issues started? e.g new kernel? did you add new hw? what about logs, there's more than syslog
10:49.48dokmahybrid == mixing packages?
10:50.11FreeBeastiehybrid gpu nvidia and intel haswell inbuilt
10:50.14dokmathere was absolutely no major changes on the system for a very long time
10:50.19teraflopjessie?
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10:50.44dokmaI have same mix... GTX650 and E8500
10:50.50dokmajessie
10:50.58FreeBeastiethats the problem
10:51.00dokmawith a few packages from testing
10:51.13dokmaI've had this card for about a year now...
10:51.16FreeBeastieinstall bumblebee did help me
10:51.24teraflopdokma: then start checking your ram, and so on…
10:51.26dokmalet me see what that is...
10:51.34leszekso no one else an idea about my chromium compile issue ?
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10:51.57dokmaFreeBeastie: you got any idea why it would start freezing now?
10:52.01dokmawas there a driver update
10:52.13FreeBeastieif i have installation i did freeze after some minutes
10:52.25FreeBeastieyes a driver update can change it all
10:52.49FreeBeastiei have to be hurry and install bumblebee or before use x
10:52.56FreeBeastieits only with x a problem
10:53.02dokmaI'm not on a laptop though
10:53.24dokmaI'll leave my machine in console mode for the day to see if it happens...
10:53.39dokmaIf not then I might focus on GPU issues
10:53.54dokmaMy box is about 10ish years old though
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10:54.02irfanji
10:54.04dokmaSo hardware issues are likely
10:54.16irfanno
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10:55.29dokmaAnyone knows how to check temperature sensors from command line?
10:55.32FreeBeastiethe hd could be or the ram
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10:56.19dokmaI think I have ram checker installed...
10:56.26dokmahave to reboot ... see you soon
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11:07.33markandsad that there is no vera++ 1.3 in debian stretch :(
11:07.37markandhas been released a while ago though
11:07.50markandis there a chance I can request someone to upgrade before stretch is released?
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11:10.43juliusmy dnsmasq wont start after the last update
11:11.00juliusit says:    dnsmasq: junk found in command line            (systemctl status dnsmasq.service
11:11.31juliusgood for me that he tells me that its not working and also doesnt mention what bad command line arguments where there....i would be lost otherwise.
11:11.43juliuswhy cant these error reporting things spit out some usefull info?
11:12.07AN0NYMjunk found in command line?
11:12.40AN0NYMdo a "sudo find / -name dnsmasq.service" (debian jessie) and open these files to check if there's a typo or something else ?
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11:15.16juliusone second
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11:16.29juliusi purged the program and move dnsmasq.conf and dnsmasq.d before...changing some things in dnsmasq.conf and im fine again
11:16.30AN0NYMare you using dnsmasq from the standard repos?
11:16.36juliusyes
11:16.54AN0NYMok, main thing it works again
11:16.56juliusmaybe i forgot to look at the output of apt upgrade and just rebooted the system
11:17.08AN0NYMcould be ^^
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11:18.34juliusyou know a command that shows when the last dnsmasq upddate was?
11:18.52juliusi mean its in apt.history or something like that in /var
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11:20.20teraflopjulius: journalctl -u dnsmasq -f ?
11:20.42teraflopah you mean the package?
11:21.31teraflop<PROTECTED>
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11:24.05dokmamemtest found no errors but visual inspection found one bulging capacitor right next to the GPU
11:24.06juliusteraflop: same shit backup dnsmasq[3151]: dnsmasq: junk found in command line
11:24.11juliusnot information
11:24.22dokmaIt might explain why it's stable in console mode but freezes under X
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11:24.38dokmaI really hope this will be a few pennies fix...
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11:25.39dokmaI'm shutting down, disassembling and heading to electronics store to get the replacements...
11:25.49dokmaSee yall
11:26.14juliusteraflop: its not in the last dokg.log file..... a command that uncompresses the old ones to a temporary directory, searches them and returns the results would be nice
11:27.07teraflopzcat and grep for it?
11:27.22teraflopwhatever floats your goat
11:27.49teraflopjulius: anyway if you want to know when dnsmasq package was updated via package manager dpkg logs is what you want
11:28.45jellyzgrep is a thing that exists
11:29.03teraflopyeah that goat sounds fine too
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12:38.21talinhello. after i upgraded to stretch, my sound card isn't being loaded as the preferred output device. so i need to put my preferences in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf by naming it, like "options snd slot=card1,card2". the problem is that i can't find out the name of my cards
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12:38.44talinin alsa docs, they call them snd-emu10k1, for example. but what are my cards called?
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12:42.24BluesKajtalin,  which chip is shown i the top right in alsamixer?
12:42.40ThraulHi guys, I am looking for some advise of help on "Creating a deb package from source" I have been googling and everything I have found has been half written, some say use dh_make, others say use pbuilder, some say use chroot..but what if I am building an X11 app? If a virtual machine better. I want to do this as a learning experience so in the future I may be able to update packages to newer versions or patch packages. Any help on where
12:42.40Thraulbest to start would be appreciated.
12:42.41juliushi
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12:43.11juliushow can i tell my debian to keep its fingers off /etc/resolf.conf?
12:43.23talinBluesKaj: the wrong one, intel haswell hdmi
12:43.41juliususually it works all fine, but now i need to use a cable and network-manager keeps resetting resolv.conf for whatever reason
12:43.51talinBluesKaj: it should be the realtek acl3226 which is card1, device0
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12:44.06talinBluesKaj: so i can alsaplayer -d 0,1 with it and it works
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12:45.44BluesKajtalin,  F6 in alsamixer, choose your right card there then reload alsamixer
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12:50.17talinBluesKaj: yes, but other programs won't use it
12:50.36BluesKajjulius,  NM overwrites resolv.conf by default at boot , if you have dns nameservers add them to /etc/network/interfaces
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12:51.09BluesKajtalin,  which programs?
12:52.32BluesKajtalin,  you probly have to set pulseaudio/pavucontrol to the same card and audio out
12:53.28talinBluesKaj: it seems i can set card 1 in /etc/asound.conf
12:54.27BluesKajhmm, i don't have that file on stretch
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12:54.41talinBluesKaj: it wasn't there, but i created it
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12:55.14_abc_Hello. Can someone please say where this debian wiki page went? It is bookmarked by me, so it used to exist. Moved? https://wiki.debian.org/Dissecting%20and%20Debugging%20the%20CUPS%20Printing%20System
12:55.46_abc_https://wiki.debian.org/DissectingandDebuggingtheCUPSPrintingSystem duh wiki-ized name?
12:55.57BluesKajwell if it's not there, then it doesn't exist for a reason, talin
12:57.53BluesKajanyway bbl
12:57.54ForceReconare there any antivirus program for debian free?  I need to scan a file that I received and want to use my linux machine
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13:08.20p3rrorHello
13:08.50p3rrorI have an issue with the root file system
13:08.51p3rrorhere is the ouput of df -hP https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/JC9p~9jXRP4yLfuYoYqfy15M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE=
13:09.02p3rrorhow to remount the / without impact
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13:10.06jellyp3rror: what's the issue?
13:10.38jelly!ask
13:10.38dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
13:10.38p3rrorI had a problem with my patition table
13:10.39dionysus69I am creating img disk image using disks utility, can I restore it to some disk without using disk utility? if yes how?
13:11.00p3rrorso I did a cat /proc/mounts > /etc/mtab
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13:11.18p3rrorand after a mount -a command, I found my self with two root file system
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13:11.30p3rrorone mounted from the vg00 and other is a rootfs
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13:12.05jellyp3rror: that's normal in recent release, a consequence of how root filesystem gets mounted during the boot process
13:12.44p3rrorSo How to return back to native status of partitions without reboot
13:12.47jellylater versions of df _hide_ one of those mountpoints, but they remain in /proc/mounts
13:12.52p3rroras I'm on a production machine
13:12.59jellyp3rror: you don't, and it doesn't matter
13:13.25jellyit's a purely cosmetic issue
13:13.37p3rrorAlso, it matter as the rootfs size is pretty small and the system raise a cpacity incident : full /
13:13.45p3rrorAlso, it matter as the rootfs size is pretty small and the system raise a capacity incident : full /
13:14.03ForceReconis there any way to change the color of the textt on the icons on the desktop
13:14.20jellywhat does "system raise a capacity incident : full /" mean, in terms of "I ran this command: ____ and it give this full output ____"
13:14.35ForceReconit is black at the moment and hard to read on blue background
13:14.50jellyp3rror: if it's a GUI dialog or something, provide a screenshot
13:15.34jellyalso,
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13:15.38jelly!localized errors
13:15.38dpkgTo provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
13:15.57p3rrorjelly: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24807890/
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13:17.29jellyp3rror: that's the same thing as before.  Where's the command you ran and its complete output, including the error message
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13:18.54p3rrorjelly: The question is how to umount the rootfs
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13:24.11xmjis there a way to get access to a source file used in building a debian package? upstream seems (currently) down
13:24.47TomG2dpkg, source packages?
13:24.48dpkgwish i knew, TomG2
13:25.02TomG2dpkg, source
13:25.02dpkgAs an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb.  For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package>
13:25.27xmjTomG2: through a webinterface, per chance? i'm using freebsd and would like to package that thing for us
13:26.31TomG2https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages  i don't know what you mean by upstream being down, debian is on many mirrors
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13:26.41jellyp3rror: you don't have to umount it.  "cosmetic issue" means it's not a bug or a problem in any way, just how something is displayed
13:27.43TomG2oh, the package upstream
13:28.10xmjah.. they're not actually down, the ftp link they provide on their site is... github... eh
13:28.13xmjTomG2: thanks!
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13:29.48jellyxmj: which piece of software are you talking about
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13:30.47jellysometimes debian has to make their own "source" tarballs when upstream only has a VCS repo
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13:32.16xmjpython-memcache(d)
13:32.50xmjhttps://packages.debian.org/jessie/python-memcache <<
13:33.27xmji clicked my way through the homepage and the ftp directing to their ftp is down
13:33.39xmjbut, yes, *that* page lists the source package itself. :-)
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13:59.00dokmaI replaced that bulging capacitor... let's see if the machine holds still now...
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14:03.44nix64bitdokma: i like that you work on that level
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14:11.10dokmawell... few penies vs couple hundred quid should be a no brainer...
14:11.34dokma1 hour total work with shopping included.
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14:23.53hammer065For some reason cron changed its default PATH since the 17th of May
14:24.00hammer065Is there any reason why..?
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14:25.02hammer065I mean I'm not used to BREAKING changes under Debian
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14:27.50petn-randallhammer065: cron never set PATH ever since I at least lenny, maybe even earlier.
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14:29.18petn-randallhammer065: And I'd be suprised that change happened recently because the cron package hasn't seen an update since May 2015.
14:30.01petn-randallhammer065: current changelog: http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/c/cron/cron_3.0pl1-128_changelog
14:30.03greycatcrontab(5) says PATH is initialized to "/usr/bin:/bin"
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14:33.43jellyhammer065: which debian release?  What does $PATH look like inside a cron job now?  User cron job or something under /etc/cron* ?
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14:37.30ForceReconwould this be the correct way to add Tor to the menu? and if I do will I then be able to choose TOR as my default browser through terminal? - https://developer.gnome.org/integration-guide/stable/desktop-files.html.en
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14:39.04greycatIf "the menu" means a menu of applications defined within something like GNOME, which uses *.desktop files, then your URL looks sound.
14:39.32greycatI still don't know what you mean by "default browser" or "through terminal".
14:40.32ForceReconfrom my reading there is  a command to change your browser default through terminal.  However, when I run it, since tor is not INSTALLED so to speak it is not an option so it tells you there is nothing to change.
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14:40.59greycatBut you can't say what the command is.
14:41.38ForceReconsudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
14:41.41greycatAre you talking about the XDG stuff,  or the debian alternatives stuff?
14:42.13greycatYou're talking about debian alternatives.  Are you *sure* that the debian alternatives constitute a "default browser" in whatever context you mean that term to apply?
14:42.30ForceReconnot sure.. just reading and trying to utilize what i read.. doing that command does work but Tor is not an option.. still learning
14:42.44greycatThis ain't Windows.  There is no single, central, agreed-upon authority or definition for things like "default browser".
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14:43.02ForceReconpreffered application
14:43.10ForceReconsorry wrong terminology
14:43.16greycatWhat do you intend "default browser" to mean?  Is there some specific *program* you're running that wants to open URLs?
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14:43.49greycatIf it's a GNOME or KDE application, you almost certainly want the XDG stuff instead.
14:44.00ForceReconyes, I want my preferred browser to be TOR so when I open links in IRC it uses TOR and not Firefox or Chrome
14:44.07greycatWhat IRC client?
14:44.12ForceReconQuassel
14:44.21greycat*blink* .. that's a new one
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14:45.09ForceReconForceRecon: After you install Torbrowser, use the --register-app argument, it adds it to the system menu.   #quassel just responded to me, they are not quick as you guys..
14:45.15greycatWell, anyway, if you created a *.desktop file, you can try setting it up as the XDG default-web-browser and see what happens.
14:45.17ForceReconI love this client a lot..
14:45.55greycatxdg-settings get default-web-browser
14:45.56ForceReconI will try all you are saying.. thanks so much for your assistance so far.  I will figure it out with your help...
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14:48.24twI wish xdg default applications supported protocol + partial address match -> particular program. For example, https://.*youtube.com/watch.* -> mpv, all other https:// -> chromium
14:48.30greycathttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-utils/+bug/884752 => "Quassel relies on Qt to handle links, which under Linux means that the URL is passed on to `xdg-open`."
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14:49.59greycat(Which may or may not be accurate; it's a comment in an Ubuntu bug report, but anyway, that's the first place I found a reference to Quassel and default web browser.)
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15:00.26waflessneto/
15:00.37waflessnetevolution, diccionario español
15:00.40waflessnetdebian 8
15:00.51greycat!es
15:00.51dpkgEste canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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15:11.46aksisi need to dynamically and persistently rename network interfaces...what are my options?
15:12.16greycatwhich Debian release?  I know this is something that's changing in stretch, though I don't know the details
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15:14.16glickhi any mutt users here
15:14.21aksisi looked at the mapping stanza in the interfaces file, but that doesn't seem to actually change the name, just make some kind of alias
15:14.23glickim trying to figure out how to send an email n drafts
15:14.25glickin
15:16.00jellymutt calls those "postponed mails", and when you press 'm' to create a new message, it asks whether you want to continue a message from there: Recall postponed message? ([yes]/no):
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15:16.59greycataksis: there's also /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
15:17.28jellyglick: after answering affirmative, it opens the postponed folder, just pick one of the messages in there and press enter on it
15:17.44jellyglick: also, there's a #mutt channel
15:18.37glickahh thanks
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15:19.38klHello, I'm having troubles setting up A2DP, it's 2 hours I'm trying to fix it.... can someone help me?
15:20.14klFirst of all I followed this https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser/a2dp and bluetooth a2dp actually works, the problem is my Aftershokz Trekz Titanium keys don't work
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15:20.53klI tried moc music on console player and clementine nothing works, I tried running alsamixer and pavucontrol but the keys don't work, or better*
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15:21.15kl* they actually change the volume in pavucontrol, but I don't hear any change in the real music volume being played
15:21.33klCan someone help me?
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15:22.20kldamn, why has to be so hard to play some music in bluetooth headset?
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15:23.44BluesKajkl, which keys don't work ?
15:24.19klany key, nothing work. I've got Aftershokz headset, it has got a 3 buttons and no one of them works :(
15:25.09klMaybe I know the problem, the music is being played through Built-in analog stereo pavucontrol profile
15:25.17BluesKajwhich keys in alsamixer?
15:26.15klI've got both built-in analog stereo profile and TREKZ titanium profile in pavucontrol output devices, the bluetooth keys actually change the TREKZ titanium profile volume, but the music is being played through built-in analog stereo and so maybe this is why I don't hear any change in the real music volume
15:26.46klIn alsamixer I've got only master
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15:27.44BluesKajkl, F6 in alsamixer to choose your preferred soundcard the reload alsamixer
15:27.55BluesKajthe=then
15:28.15RubyistI'm going to be moving the location in which I install my local node_modules, which was `/var/www/application/node_modules` What is a sane directory to use? Global packages are in `/usr/local/lib/node_modules`
15:28.57klI'm checking
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15:30.48klnow bluetooth stopped working...
15:30.52klI'm trying to fix
15:32.48BluesKajki which audio chip ?
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15:34.40klhttp://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=116196
15:35.13klsee http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=116196 but now bluetooth a2dp doesn't work, I connect through blueman-manager but the audio is being played through Desktop speakers
15:35.37BluesKajdo the arrow keys work ?
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15:35.52BluesKajin alsamixer
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15:36.16g0zzyIs it possible to leave an item in the grub menu and yet have it disabled?
15:36.18klOnly my Desktop keyboard/mouse works, the bluetooth keys don't work
15:36.39webuser5224Can the Stretch RC downloads be verified like the regular ones?
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15:37.43klBlueKaj also, I've just muted master because the Desktop stereo started suddently playing music(instead of headset) disturbing my neighbors ._.
15:38.37klthis is very strange by the way, I tested these headset first on Jolla Sailfish OS with unplayer app(openrepos), it worked flawlessy
15:38.53klMaybe is the problem clementine which is not configured to handle bluetooth keys?
15:38.59BluesKajki one thing at a time , use the up arrow key on your desktop KB to increase the master volume ctrl and the down arrow key to disable automute.
15:39.34klMaster volume is now umuted and at 20
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15:40.17BluesKajuse MM to unmute any muted ctls, kl
15:40.38BluesKajthe M key rather
15:40.54greycat"MM" is what the curses alsamixer displays on muted channels
15:41.06BluesKajthebox should have 00 in it
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15:41.18klyes it's unmuted now
15:41.36BluesKajok use up arrow key to increase the volume
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15:42.03BluesKajuse the < and> keys to navigate
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15:43.51BluesKajkl, and make sure you use the down arrow key to disable automute
15:44.10BluesKajon the far right
15:44.15twg0zzy: see the lock directive in grub. You need to set password[s] as well.
15:44.29xp_What's the package name for tor browser?
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15:47.43petn-randallxp_: There's torbrowser-launcher. But also see bug #861744
15:47.44juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/861744 in torbrowser-launcher (open, sid, stretch): «torbrowser-launcher: Should not be part of Stretch»; severity: serious; opened: 2017-05-03; last modified: 2017-05-24.
15:47.58hedesisHi, I'm trying to use a ViewSonic 2220 touchscreen with a BeagleBone Black rev C. using Debian Jessie, I tried on Raspberry Pi and it worked just pluging, but in BeagleBone I'm having troubles.
15:48.39hedesisbeaglebone debian dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/970621/
15:48.50klBlueKaj http://i.imgur.com/6noU7Qs.png
15:49.08hedesisraspberry pi raspbian dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/970637/
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15:49.47g0zzytw: Thanks.
15:50.17hedesisOn Beaglebone it detects the touchscreen because it starts xinput-calibrator, but it doesnt detect my finger click
15:50.50klnothing to do I guess I just have to give up, purge bluetooth a2dp and buy a working 2dp working device with a simpler a2dp configuration, I'm ashamed
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15:52.06klI unmuted every single thing in alsamixer, I don't even hear sound through headset
15:52.48klI'm using Debian, XFCE, blueman, clementine and a pair of Bluetooth Aftershokz Trekz Titanium, anything described on the wiki is done to configure A2DP, and initially keys weren't working now I don't even hear sound
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15:53.03klCan I use my headset on Debian?
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15:53.42hammer065Is there a way to globally change the path of programs executed by cron?
15:53.51xp_Is judd a bot? What can it do?
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15:53.59greycat/msg judd help
15:54.02BluesKajki now you have to set the pavucontrol in pulseaudio to the settings you want to use as well
15:54.17greycat... gah, that doesn't give a list of commands :(
15:54.43greycatSee also http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/
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15:58.59hammer065Wait I should say $PATH to make clear that I mean the variable and not the term path
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15:59.22greycathammer065: man 5 crontab
15:59.36xp_Why are Debians versions named after Toy Story characters? What's up with that? :p
15:59.36twhedesis: your error is probably related to the line that says "usb_submit_urb(ctrl) failed". You can try to cat the touchscreen device to see if you're getting any data at all, but I suspect if it doesn't know the report structure, you won't get anything.
15:59.51petn-randallxp_: Tradition :)
16:00.00greycatOne of the founders of Debian worked at Pixar.
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16:00.38twusb reports define the data format from/to usb devices, probably, in this case, including geometry.
16:01.00klHello, I'm having troubles setting up A2DP, it's 2 hours I'm trying to fix it.... can someone help me? First of all I followed this https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser/a2dp and bluetooth a2dp actually works, the problem is my Aftershokz Trekz Titanium keys don't work I tried moc music on console player and clementine nothing works, I tried running alsamixer and pavucontrol but the keys don't work, or better* * they actually change the volume in pavucontrol, but
16:01.01klI don't hear any change in the real music volume being played Now I don't even hear sound Can someone help me? http://i.imgur.com/ucQYJLm.png http://i.imgur.com/8d46Ewp.png http://i.imgur.com/GBcFYYY.png http://i.imgur.com/twMDRkb.png http://i.imgur.com/M4Q5VLP.png http://i.imgur.com/fuBXye8.png http://i.imgur.com/JacagOP.png http://i.imgur.com/YnlXyMG.png
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16:01.55hammer065greycat: this doesn't answer the question
16:01.55klplease I'd like to listen to music with my desktop
16:02.04hammer065I need to change it _globally_
16:02.12hammer065Not for each user
16:02.13greycathammer065: Oh, you wanted a literal answer.  The literal answer is "yes".
16:02.20Violinistdood
16:02.21greycat... what.
16:02.25Violinistdebian is not for music
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16:02.47kl.. well so what should I do to listen to some music using a computer?
16:02.52Violinistmac
16:02.52greycat"Globally" means for the entire crontab.  Which is a file.  That you edit.  Which may be /etc/crontab, or a single user's crontab.
16:03.05Violinistever heard of macintoch
16:03.10teraflopkl: you mean the built-in controls do not work under tty?
16:03.22greycatIf you mean "I want to change the compiled-in default PATH in cron from /usr/bin:/bin to /something/evil for every user", then the literal answer is "Yes, you can recompile cron".
16:03.32Violinistdo you play music in DOS?
16:03.34petn-randallViolinist: Your answer is not very helpful.
16:03.58hammer065With globally I mean so that it affects every crontab
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16:03.59BluesKajkl, too many devices mucking up your sound ...
16:04.00greycatI play music on Debian all the time, just not through bluetooth.
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16:04.30greycathammer065: you can patch and recompile cron.  I do not advise doing this, but hey, there's your answer.
16:04.31hammer065Since apparently an update stripped some default paths away so some programs fail
16:04.53greycathammer065: the default PATH is /usr/bin:/bin AS DOCUMENTED in crontab(5) as I told you an hour ago
16:04.57klno comment if it's that I'm sure Windows can handle it without the need to spend a money for a useless piece of ..., Android works flawlessly with A2DP, Sailfish OS I played with it a lot flawlessly using a2dp, what's wrong here?
16:05.09BluesKajit's bad enough dealing with pulseaudio then there's bluetooth
16:05.17petn-randallhammer065: Which update? There hasn't been one in over two years.
16:05.18teraflopbah
16:05.35g0zzytw: i think i might just remove the Windows grub entry. I'm guessing it's a lot simpler. Would that be a case of getting rid of the prober?
16:05.40klok alsamixer and pulseaudio works fine(always for me), my problem is A2DP
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16:06.17klno chance to fix this problem right?
16:06.22hammer065greycat: if you told that then I'm sorry, I might have over read it since I was ask for about an hour and didn't see a mention of my username since then
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16:06.33teraflopkl: did you read my question?
16:06.34hammer065petn-randall: for me it broke on the 17th of may
16:06.37greycat10:30  greycat> crontab(5) says PATH is initialized to "/usr/bin:/bin"
16:06.47BluesKajkl, why do you need blurtooth anyway?
16:06.50petn-randallhammer065: Which release/distro are you running?
16:06.53greycathour and a half, shortly after I joined, in response to something petn-randall swaid
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16:06.57BluesKajbluetooth even
16:07.14teraflopBluesKaj: really, that's your question?
16:07.15Violinistim sorry but questions like why do u need ... anyway is retarded
16:07.30Violinistu might as well jus lay down and die
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16:07.37Violinistwhy live?
16:07.48Violinisttheres no point
16:07.55klHello, I'm having troubles setting up A2DP, it's from 2pm I'm trying to fix it.... can someone help me? First of all I followed this https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser/a2dp and bluetooth a2dp actually works, the problem is my Aftershokz Trekz Titanium keys don't work I tried moc music on console player and clementine nothing works, I tried running alsamixer and pavucontrol but the keys don't work, or better* * they actually change the volume in pavucontrol, but
16:07.56klI don't hear any change in the real music volume being played Now I don't even hear sound Can someone help me? http://i.imgur.com/ucQYJLm.png http://i.imgur.com/8d46Ewp.png http://i.imgur.com/GBcFYYY.png http://i.imgur.com/twMDRkb.png http://i.imgur.com/M4Q5VLP.png http://i.imgur.com/fuBXye8.png http://i.imgur.com/JacagOP.png http://i.imgur.com/YnlXyMG.png Maybe I know the problem, music is being played thorugh built-in analog stereo pavucontrol output devices
16:07.57kl"profile", and not through trekz titanium one
16:08.27hammer065petn-randall: Debian Jessie
16:08.28teraflopholy crap
16:08.28greycatkl: stop spamming.
16:09.02Violinisthowever there is a catch
16:09.05Violinistdebian is free
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16:09.29petn-randallhammer065: As I said, there hasn't been an update in two years. Can you show the contents of /var/log/apt/history.log?
16:09.40petn-randallhammer065: also the output of 'apt-cache policy cron' would help.
16:10.56klI'll insist on this, GNU/Linux(not speaking of Debian or any OS) can handle bluetooth, A2DP(and probably anything else) flawlessly, Unix in general can(demonstration Sailfish OS + unplayer), so I'm sure a Desktop with Debian should be able to play some music with bluetooth and with bluetooth headset media keys working
16:11.47hammer065Yeah wait a bit, need to change networks...
16:12.19petn-randallhammer065: You can paste it to http://paste.debian.net (not directly into the channel).
16:12.21klteraflop what did you mean with bluetooth keys and tty?
16:12.32BluesKajkl, get your alsamixer and pulseaudio settings straightened out first then your headphones should work
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16:13.02hammer065petn-randall: normally I'd have used termbin but yeah, I can use the Debian one too
16:13.20klBluesKaj they worked initially, now I don't hear sound. Anyway, media keys never worked
16:13.43klgreycat sorry if I'm looking for a solution on debian channel
16:13.53hammer065Also i am not sure that an update broke it, but I noticed that since this date some crontabs definitions failed
16:14.14hammer065Since it couldn't find some/the binary
16:15.35BluesKajkl, you're too busy complaining without following directions and telling us whetehr you applied the suggestions given...that's all I have to say...not repeating myself incessantly
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16:17.46klI've done all you told me, unmuted each thing, increased volume, what else have you told me? I'm too busy trying to fix this problem, not complaining BlueKaj
16:17.55petn-randallhammer065: termbin works fine for me, too. You can also use the program 'pastebinit' if you can't easily copy/paste from the affected server.
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16:18.57BluesKajkl, did you disable automute, that's important
16:20.19klBlueKaj you're telling me ruining importat features of an operating system, tell me how to do that thing and I'll do, hoping the I can revert the operation, and hoping to fix this problem
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16:22.02BluesKajkl, disable automute in alsamixer , this atlest the 3rd time I've sugested this
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16:23.04kl<BluesKaj> I don't know how to do this, could you repeat please?
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16:23.13hammer065petn-randall Apparently it was not even an update
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16:23.34hammer065petn-randall /var/log/apt/history.log.1.gz: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/59788c76/
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16:24.22klIt seems now clementine works with media play button but not with media volume up and media volume down!
16:24.50hammer065And cron runs at the version 3.0pl1-127+deb8u1
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16:25.35hammer065Which confuses me even more, since before that, the PATH must have included /sbin, which now it doesn't
16:26.48BluesKajkl, F6 in alsamixer, choose your main soundcard, reload alsamixer then navigate to automute on the far right with the  > arrow key and use the down arrow key to disable automute
16:26.52greycatOldest system I checked was wheezy, and that also says "/usr/bin:/bin" in crontab(5).
16:27.14klAutomute is disabled, BluesKaj
16:27.52BluesKajok in the console , sudo alsactl store
16:28.06hammer065Weird, since it definitely had this included, since applications from /sbin have been executed via a crontab
16:28.09petn-randallhammer065: You're not even running Debian, you're running Raspbian.
16:28.11petn-randall!raspbian
16:28.11dpkgRaspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>.  Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian.  Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.   http://www.raspbian.org/
16:28.36hammer065Which is basically Debian
16:28.40klBlueKaj done
16:28.41petn-randallhammer065: Ask in their channel if there was a change. ^^^
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16:28.46petn-randall!based on debian
16:28.47dpkgYour distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian.  We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/).  #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users.  Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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16:31.45klBluesKaj I've done sudo alsactl store
16:31.52hammer065Also the link "Add short URL" on paste.debian.org is broken
16:31.59BluesKajkiltzman, now setup pavucontrol to use the same card and aufio outs as you set i alsamixer
16:32.33BluesKajsorry kiltzman , that was meant for kl ^
16:32.56BluesKajaudio outs that is
16:33.24klhow BluesKaj ?
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16:34.07BluesKajkl, install pavucontrol
16:34.37klBluesKaj pavucontrol is installed and I'm currently using it, pavucontrol => configuration => built-in audio => profile: analog stereo duples to analog stereo output maybe?
16:34.44Buddhiecan i use d-crypt, cryptsetup >?
16:34.54Buddhiedm-crypt
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16:37.27klBluesKaj pavucontrol is installed and I'm currently using it, pavucontrol => configuration => built-in audio => profile: analog stereo duples to analog stereo output maybe?
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16:38.23BluesKajkl, what other choices are there?
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16:39.20jellykl: that usually doesn't make a lot of difference, you can try both and see
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16:40.17klBluesKaj there are a lot of them, one moment
16:40.39kljelly neither of them change anything
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16:40.53BluesKajidon't bother with pulseaudio since the snd-hda-intel driver works fine directly with alsa
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16:42.00BluesKajand I stopped using FF since it started requiring pulse for webaudio
16:42.23BluesKajchrome works well
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16:42.45klAny tip to fix this problem?
16:42.59jellyI don't bother with alsa since pa works well enough for me :-|
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16:43.30BluesKajkl, sudo modprobe sndhda-intel, just in case the driver unloaded
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16:44.14BluesKajjelly, pulse needs alsa so you're using alsa whether you relaize it or not
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16:44.55BluesKajkl, correction sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
16:45.43klBluesKaj done
16:45.55klBluesKaj done (sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel)
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16:47.02BluesKajkl, try playing some music, just thru your speakers for now
16:47.13klstill anything, I only hear audio through desktop speakers, and only media key play work(neither media key volume up and down work)
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16:47.24klBluesKaj I'm doing it
16:47.55BluesKajmedia keys don't always work ...depends on the KB
16:48.20klHOLY COW I FIXED IT!
16:48.26klbut only for 5 seconds
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16:49.46BluesKajkl, now you have to find a tutorial for you blurtooth headset , that's up to you, i know nothing about BT./..perhaps others  can help you there
16:50.50klit's fixed there's no tutorial on my bluetooth headset they should work out of the box, now they work
16:51.21kllook http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=116201
16:51.31klthat's was the problem
16:52.24klNow BluesKaj could you please help me returning to the previous alsamixer&pavucontrol settings
16:52.58klBluesKaj I mean, remove the things done by sudo amixer store, and by the suggested modprobe if necessary Thanks in advance
16:54.08jellykl: use alsamixer to tune the card, then run the store thing again
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16:54.29kljelly I've never used that store command, what is it for?
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16:54.33BluesKajthe modprobe loads the audio driver
16:54.35jellyif it's too loud or too low or too muted right now
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16:55.03klalso I heard a damned beep when for example I delete the typed character in the irc type box, and there's no character
16:55.15jellykl: I'm GUESSING it saved mixer settings somewhere permanently, and those get restored at reboot
16:55.45BluesKajki sudo alsactl store in the console
16:56.39klOk so all I need to revert my system to the state it was before doing anything suggested on this channel is tune up alsamixer and then run sudo alsactl store?
16:56.59BluesKajwhy?
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16:57.49BluesKajnm, I'm done ...this is ridiculous
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16:59.52klI don't see anything fun here, I want to know what I've done in the system, so if there's anything related to alsamixer which I don't understand, I'd rather choose to don't touch it. Also, if blue-tooth and blue-tooth keys know works flawlessly, those change are no longer required
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17:04.03klBy the way if anyone will have this problem again the solution was simple, http://i.imgur.com/ucQYJLm.png http://i.imgur.com/8d46Ewp.png http://i.imgur.com/GBcFYYY.png http://i.imgur.com/twMDRkb.png http://i.imgur.com/M4Q5VLP.png http://i.imgur.com/fuBXye8.png http://i.imgur.com/JacagOP.png http://i.imgur.com/YnlXyMG.png Solution: trust device in blueman-manger + http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=116201
17:04.29klBye all
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17:27.05oh2ekoso i got Debian running on a Dell laptop but it refuses to ramp up from 624Mhz and laptop has a i5-2520 @2.5Ghz lscpu says cpu max 3.2Ghz
17:27.19oh2ekowhat in the noggins is going on?
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17:28.45BluesKajit's probly running ondemand mostl likely and that's all that's needed atm
17:28.48ChmEarloh2eko, on kernel cmdline, cpufreq=none (or performance)
17:28.49TomG2i don't know, what are you doing to scale up the cpu?
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17:29.35oh2ekocurrentlöy running a gnuradio flowgraph using all it can
17:29.49oh2ekoso id assume the stepping shud ramp up as well
17:30.08BluesKajoh2eko, running a slower speed saves battery life
17:30.35oh2ekono battery even in laptop heh
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17:33.02oh2ekoupgraded laptop as the ancient centrino just barley handled  what i am doing now but this seems to be worse so i checked lscpu and yes even after the cpufreq commands stays the same
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17:33.34oh2ekohmm maybe the laptop itself has some sort of funky downstep because not original charger
17:33.36BluesKajoh2eko, so you cpufrequtils installed
17:33.41BluesKajhave
17:34.16oh2ekoinstalling now
17:34.34oh2ekoffs now Wlan died brb after i reboot it
17:35.00jellyoh2eko: pastebin the output of: "lsmod" and "grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu?/cpufreq/* | tr ':' '\t' | expand -t 66 | sort -t/ -k8,8"
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17:35.13jelly!paste
17:35.13dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
17:35.48oh2ekorebooting laptop and joining from that in a moment
17:36.12oh2ekogot old uuid 's so rebooting takes a while
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17:38.50oh2eko_sigint_sljelly could you repost that command ?
17:42.00oh2eko_sigint_sllsmod paste https://pastebin.com/tLcXXj04
17:42.10humbot<PROTECTED>
17:42.22oh2eko_sigint_slyup
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17:43.04Darby_Crashhi guys. Can i make a launcher on my desktop for a binary that required dependencies from his folder?
17:43.39jellyoh2eko_sigint_sl: i5-2520M is sandybridge, optimal driver would be intel-pstate and that's built in
17:43.46oh2eko_sigint_slgrep whaddamanot paste https://pastebin.com/Zr1XTDYM
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17:44.32oh2eko_sigint_slwell something aint right as hexchat and firefox already tapping out cpu
17:44.51jellyso get a gui tool to change from powersave governor to performance, or do it manually
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17:45.31jellyjessie kernel and xorg ought to be new enough for sandybridge cpu and gpu
17:45.40Darby_Crashhttps://clbin.com/CK0VG
17:45.55jellyoh2eko_sigint_sl: maybe something's suboptimal in gpu driver department
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17:46.07Darby_Crashthis is not working
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17:46.42jellyoh2eko_sigint_sl: as for the manual bit, echo performace | [sudo, if needed] tee -a /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor
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17:47.51jellymind the typo.
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17:52.22oh2ekohmm well the manual part did not help
17:54.28jer0mehas anyone experienced some weird "autoreboot" with thinkpads, where the machine would hard reboot itself while idling?
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17:55.25jer0meit seems to happen when I leave it idle for a while, maybe some p/c state
17:55.51oh2ekomy OLD thinkpad did that never figuerd out why thou
17:56.11jer0meoh2eko: old like an x220?
17:56.14oh2ekoX200
17:56.28mutanteyea, an X220 or 230 did that like once or twice, afair
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17:56.50jer0methis is weird.
17:56.56oh2ekoonce of the reasons i ressurected this Dell i5 thingity i am having a headache with
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18:01.05oh2eko_sigint_slwell it seems i cant get this bloody thing to step up.. anyone wanna earn a bit by remoting in and figuring out why it stays at the 1990'ies of computing?
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18:05.36webuser5224Are the Stretch RC releases signed like the normal ones? Are they 'official' releases?
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18:08.13TomG2webuser5224, if i understand you right, yes, they are signed and "official"
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18:09.06webuser5224Is it better to upgrade from Jessie to Stretch or from Stretch RCX (e. g. 4) to Stretch later on?
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18:09.33greycatIf you already have jessie, just upgrade to stretch.  Don't download a new installer.
18:09.52greycatHowever, if you DON'T have debian yet, downloading the stretch release-candidate installer is fine.
18:10.02jhutchinsjer0me: Open it up and clean the cooling path well.
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18:11.20greycatThere will be some differences between an upgraded-to-stretch and an installed-as-stretch system.  The biggest one will be the names of ethernet interfaces.
18:11.23oh2eko_sigint_slThanks for the brainstorming disabled C states and stepping bios and slaptop now handles the gnuradio flowgraph without even making any noticable cpu usage
18:11.36oh2eko_sigint_sl:)
18:11.55jer0mejhutchins: done already. It seems related to the battery actually. Which is new, which could explain why the problem appeared recently.
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18:12.42jer0meI like this little x220, it would be sad if the mobo/cpu were to die.
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18:13.32oh2ekomy X200 refused to boot at times removed mobo battery for a while and it worked again another year
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18:14.07oh2ekooddly enuff it helped with the wier reboots as well so i suggest you try it
18:14.13webuser5224Ok, thanks
18:14.25jellyoh2eko, fixed the typo in that manual part?  disabling C states will eat into your battery life and temperature
18:14.28jer0meoh2eko: will try that, thanks.
18:14.45oh2ekojelly i have no battery
18:15.33oh2ekothe owner who tossed it in the trash once upon a time removed hardrive and battery and ram had harddrive and ram but no battery
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18:16.07oh2ekoponders why the heck i even paied for the X200 lol
18:16.25jer0menice laptop they are
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18:16.32jer0me+s
18:17.01oh2ekowell they sure asf hold up against physical abuse
18:17.32jer0menice keyboard and trackpad too.
18:17.59jer0meFor the rest, they are just intel hardware and crappy screens mostly.
18:18.03oh2ekoliterally backed over my X200 with my Legnum once no damage aside from slight tiny bend on lower end of sreen part
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18:18.20jer0memine has a nice IPS panel, with a lower than standard resolution though.
18:18.32oh2ekolost my "nipple" mouse on it so i took a busted slaptop from pile and fixed it
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18:21.52oh2eko_best part about the X200 was no need for nonfree drivers thou
18:22.23TomG2i'm envious of your X200 now
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18:22.46oh2eko_toss a hdd in it and its for sale cheap
18:23.14oh2eko_as in covcer mail and toss a little on top
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18:26.34oh2eko_What would be awesome if one had a Debian based ECU
18:27.02tw"ECU"? You're not talking about a realtime controller, are you?
18:27.27oh2eko_realtime engine control unit
18:27.36twThen no, it would not be awesome.
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18:28.16twthere are FOSS/GPL ECU projects. Linux is not appropriate for such systems.
18:28.24tw(generally speaking)
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18:28.34oh2eko_with enough CPU power it wud be nice of course some parts would have to be more chip controlled but the part stearing them on debian it be awesome
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18:29.29twRealtime control is not just about having enough CPU time, it's also about timing guarantees and trying to reduce the number of things that can possibly go wrong.
18:30.11oh2eko_that is true
18:30.17jellya rtc kernel with a linux subsystem on the side might work
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18:30.40twI'd rather have a 10kloc ECU that can talk to a linux kernel than a linux kernel that directly drives RT controls.
18:31.03oh2eko_beer is talking but the idea to combine Linux and my favorite car is just soo oomph
18:31.27twImagine if you had a device driver that softlocked and required a chip reset.
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18:31.37twwhat do you do then?
18:31.42oh2eko_but a 97 car the ecu aint quite that advanced
18:31.51oh2eko_auch
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18:34.58oh2eko_for an ancient car like only option would probably be build a program to write new roms. anywhoms im off to enjoy the evening and Jelly thanks again for the brainstroming :)
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18:43.03twjelly: it'd probably depend on the memory protection and division of resources in place. Right now I'm working with an A7/M4 SOC and one of the integration problems we have in development is one system touching registers it shouldn't touch and locking the other core. If the linux system is in ring0, bugs can do some pretty significant damage.
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18:48.48jellytw, don't have shared memory, pass messages instead?
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18:49.52jellyexcept two separate computers are more expensive than 1.5 computers
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18:54.12twRight, you need memory protection that can effectively protect critical resources on the RT side from outside breakage.
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18:54.58twFor example, if they share a peripheral bus, it needs iommu/access protection to prevent mangling.
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18:56.51jandruskI'm running Debian Testing and unattended upgrades has not ran since 6/3/17 even though updates are available. Anyone else run into this?
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19:06.30sherabanyone knows how to instal sbcl on debian?
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19:07.22tw,v sbcl
19:07.23mnssherab: whats wrong with the debian package for it ?
19:07.24juddPackage: sbcl on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.0.57.0-2; jessie: 2:1.2.4-2; stretch: 2:1.3.14-2+b1; sid: 2:1.3.14-2+b1
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19:23.56guavashi everyone. On a debian 8 computer a little after I start the system the wifi just stops working. ifconfig sees the wlan0, but doesn't connect, and I have to reboot it. any idea?
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19:24.22kalipsohey guys, when i do systemctl status bluetooth i get "failed" "Sap driver initialization failed" "sap-server: Operation not permitted"
19:24.31kalipsosomeone knows why?
19:26.41mnsanyone know a CLI based speedtest for testing network speeds ?
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19:27.33jellyjudd: info speedtest-cli
19:27.34juddPackage speedtest-cli (utils, optional) in jessie/amd64: Command line interface for testing internet bandwidth using speedtest.net. Version: 0.3.1-1; Size: 12.0k; Installed: 89k; Homepage: https://github.com/sivel/speedtest-cli/
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19:28.21jellymns: if you control both endpoints, iperf or iperf3
19:28.43mnsjelly: thanks.   no I don't control both endpoints.
19:28.53jellythen what bot said
19:29.14mnsyup, just installed it.
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19:33.00jhutchinsCan speedtet.net handle gigabit yet?
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19:36.09jellyjhutchins: it depends.  my speedtest.net server is on a 2x10Gbps pipe.
19:36.27jellyand is not rate limited a lot
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19:41.31jellyso if your isp or a close upstream has added a server to their pool, chances are you'd be able to do an accurate test
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19:41.57jellya server with similar bw
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19:43.11jhutchins83M down, 118M up.  Not quite what Google promised.
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19:51.08jellyjhutchins: Mbps or MBps? :-)
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19:53.00jellyswitch at work limits my workstation to 500Mbps, and I get something like 557.93 / 322.06 Mbits/s with speedtest-cli
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19:54.56jhutchinsSez here Mbits
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19:55.36jhutchinsEven the google test is down a bit with this old rig, my wife's newer system with ssd does a lot better.
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19:56.09jhutchinsIt got pretty close from Google's test, 800-900 down, 900+ up.
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19:58.15jhutchinsTheir test says 421Mb down, 933 up.
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20:31.42cujotusany1 interested linux / debian news site management?
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21:19.08jellymsleaveamix malademe2tal malademental malademe4tal, there's a lot of you in here, intentional or accidental?
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21:23.26Sir_HackalotHi there - Anyone else with problems with repos in MONGODB-ORG ?
21:23.50juliushow would you prepare a system that runs debian before installing ubuntu on another partition....i bet by default it will install grub....but i already got a working grub
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21:24.23Sir_HackalotErr http://repo.mongodb.org jessie/mongodb-org/3.2 Release.gpg
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21:27.34jmcnaughtSir_Hackalot: if you have checked your apt sources are correct, then check with the mongodb folks about their repo being down
21:28.36Sir_HackalotI did it jm ...
21:28.41Sir_Hackalot-->  deb http://repo.mongodb.org/apt/debian jessie/mongodb-org/3.2 main
21:28.55Sir_Hackalotit is right.. im already at #mongodb but the folks tehre quiet as hell ..
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21:32.40p0rtis adding a user and setting its shell to htop a safe way to monitor my system from other computer?
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21:33.24jellydepends on how well htop is written
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21:34.37p0rtassuming it has no security holes
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21:35.07p0rtyup
21:35.24p0rtI just wanna know is this a good method to do things
21:35.29p0rtor maybe there is a better one
21:35.50jellyyou could enable snmpd and monitor the machine with a remote monitoring system like nagios/icinga
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21:36.14jellyprobably not worth it for a single system
21:36.47twI doubt it. s to strace a given process? if they have permission to run that, password extraction is possible.
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21:38.18p0rtjelly, well, the monitoring machine is an ancient hp compaq with a pentium 4 so I'm not sure if it can run those programs
21:38.30jellytw: password extraction from any process running as that same user
21:39.15jellyp0rt: sure it can.  Nagios, previosly Netsaint, was written back when servers had P2 and P3 CPUs
21:39.45p0rtwell that changes things
21:40.07p0rtso do you think it's worth a shot?
21:40.56jellyor start with something less complex, maybe munin
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21:42.33p0rtmy goal is to monitor one, occasionally two computers
21:42.40jellyif you admin and control both machines, and you use ssh with a key to connect, running htop via ssh isn't that problematic.
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21:43.02p0rtit will be running on local network only anyway
21:43.07jellyit doesn't really open any more holes than allowing ssh shell access would
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21:44.34twjelly: that's what I mean by permission to run strace. Unless it's suid, which would be weird, but happens (not by default on deb, afaik).
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21:53.25joshumaxOkay, so, today it seems I can no longer ls
21:53.27joshumaxls: error while loading shared libraries: libpthread.so.0: file too short
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21:54.11joshumaxWhat on earth just happened
21:55.01joshumaxstrace won't work either
21:55.09joshumaxit spews out errors about libc
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21:56.49joshumaxNot sure if this is specifically a Debian issue so maybe I should ask on ##linux even though I'm on stretch
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21:59.27joshumaxwait whut
21:59.34joshumaxit only happens in this one directory
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22:05.31juliushow do you make lvm volums visible in a chroot?
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22:06.09frostschutzjulius, mount --bind proc dev sys ... into the chroot?
22:06.25juliusyou got proc on a lvm?
22:06.34juliusmust be a windows system ;)
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22:08.42frostschutz*shrug* you'll figure it out
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22:09.01juliusjust kidding....but proc and the other things has nothing todo with lvm
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22:14.52frostschutzif you know better, why bother to ask in the first place
22:15.23juliusthe question is why did you answer if you dont know about lvm
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22:36.11twjulius: lvscan ... with dev and proc available in the chroot.
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22:46.44guyDoes this tell me I am running Jessie: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3 (2016-07-02)?
22:47.41mtnguy: no.  what does lsb_release -a  tell you?
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22:48.50guymtn: BunsenLabs GNU/Linux 8.7 (Hydrogen)
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22:49.01mtnguy: nope, not even debian :(
22:49.15mtn!bunsenlabs
22:49.15dpkgBunsenLabs Linux is a community continuation of <crunchbang> that features the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.bunsenlabs.org/ #bunsenlabs on chat.freenode.net. See <based on debian>
22:49.38guymtn: Thanks
22:50.17Digzthat's... odd. You would know what OS you installed, right? ;)
22:51.10guyDigz: reading their website it said it was debian.  I am a noobie
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22:52.05mtnguy: it may be based on debian, which is not really debian
22:52.32guymtn: ok got it
22:52.49Digzlooks like an over the top distro..... not quite a "debian based" distro, but one that you install debian first, and then install this on top of it.
22:53.00mtnyuck
22:53.24mutantebecause you just couldn't install that window manager in debian
22:53.36DigzDebian version for lsb_release -a should read like this:
22:53.43DigzDistributor ID: Debian
22:53.43DigzDescription:    Debian GNU/Linux 8.8 (jessie)
22:53.44DigzRelease:        8.8
22:53.44DigzCodename:       jessie
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22:53.57Digzouch
22:53.58Digz:D
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23:04.30vegenaisehi debian irc. anyone available to help me (a total linux/debian noob) troubleshoot an issue i'm having with sound on my computer?
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23:04.55mutante!ask
23:04.55dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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23:06.01vegenaiselol k.
23:07.05gryvegenaise: what is the issue?
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23:07.48vegenaiserunning #!++ on a lenovo x220t. sound will work from the speakers for weeks or months then just randomly stop working. reboots can sometimes fix this and sometimes not. sometimes it just randomly starts working again. ideally i would be able to just use the commandline to kill and restart whatever the audio service/driver/etc that my laptop is using to get back to having sound right away
23:08.18vegenaisei dunno if its using alsa, pulseaudio, or something else. i don't know how to troubleshoot this or fix it
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23:10.42grycheck whether you have sound in headphones still
23:10.52vegenaisek one sec
23:12.56vegenaiseyep, headphones still work
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23:13.56grydo you have alsamixer installed (alsa-utils)? is any sound muted or zero there?
23:15.55vegenaiseit says i have it installed, but i dunno how to launch that from the commandline (neither alsa-utils or sudo alsa-utils do it) #!++ uses a gui plainly called volume control, but i dunno what's behind it
23:16.22grywhat is "#!++" ?
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23:17.37vegenaisecrunchbang plus plus (debian jessie 8 with openbox, conky, and maybe a few other customizations)
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23:19.07grydebian derivatives are not supported here because it's hard to debug whatever changes they've made, sorry
23:19.17gryplease ask them a question at https://www.reddit.com/r/crunchbangplusplus/ or use ##linux
23:19.23vegenaise:(
23:19.28vegenaiseok thankyou
23:20.10grythanks for using a debian derivative! you are still welcome to hang around and help others and meet new people
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23:20.49gryand good luck with the sound, too
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23:21.24vegenaisethanks :)
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23:23.29gry:)
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23:28.20juliustw: thanks...that worked
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