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01:14.43lesceilhowdy, anyone here know how to debug nginx configs on debian8 usign php7 dotdeb packages? The issue is that phpinfo claims it is loading php modules from /etc/php/7.0/fpm/conf.d/ like 20-zip.ini, even after I remove it from there and restart nginx, and it is ignoring my additional files there as if it doesnt actually load it from there. is phpinfo lying to me ?
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01:27.29linux_userI have a Toshiba laptop with a 320GB HD in it that has an “HDD password” on it. I do not care about recovering the data at all, but, is it possible to reformat the thing somehow and make use of it? I have a Mac I can try to put it in a USB case to format. The PC keeps asking the HDD password even though I have a USB stick in their that is bootable Linux and have the USB stick set as first in the boot order.
01:30.07lesceilsounds like a bios password
01:30.13lesceilshould not have stolen the laptop
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01:37.27lesceillol
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01:51.58linux_userIt is NOT stolen you jackass. A friend’s grandaughter forgot her password and it had Windows 8 on it which she didn’t like. She (via her GrandPa via me) found out Windows can be replaced but she forgot the HDD password.
01:52.09linux_userNow, do you have anything actually helpful to add lescell?
01:53.45linux_userIt is NOT a bios password, its an HDD/SDD Password
01:55.35dvslinux_user, so if you have a bootable Debian install USB you can install from that.
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01:59.15linux_userI do, and the BIOS keeps asking for the password for the HDD, even though I setup the USB as the primary (first in order) boot device, told it to boot in non-secure mode, and I have a bootable linux USB which works
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02:01.54dvslinux_user, the only other thing I can think if is if the boot options have different USB boot options like USB-HDD like Gigabyte does.
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02:04.50linux_userI didn’t see anything like that
02:06.36mutantecan you just disconnect the HDD or take it out?
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02:09.00linux_usersure I can
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02:10.12mutantewell then it should not boot from it anymore and take the other options, right
02:11.03dvsor format it in another machine to make it installable
02:11.33mutantebtw, i think granddaughter will enjoy Gnome more than KDE. good luck, have to go
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02:24.41mo1991I am getting some semi-frequent lockups with Debian stretch.   This is the same hardware that ran Jessie for years with pretty much zero lockups.   I am guessing it may be due to a wifi driver or issue with nvidia driver, but I'm just guessing.   Can someone give me some direction to find out why I am getting lockups.   I have taken a look a some of the logs but haven't found anything so far.
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02:26.48linux_userstretch is development not released yet, right?
02:27.19dvs!wwsr
02:27.19dpkgDebian 9 "Stretch" is planned for release on 2017-06-17. There's still bugs that you can help fix or help migrate from sid to stretch. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help> https://udd.debian.org/bugs/  https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
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03:09.13lesceildoes debian9 still use systemd?
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04:34.02JJScrawlsSo how in the ever loving f$%@ do you change desktop icon size on KDE in Debian 9?
04:34.25JJScrawlsright clicking does nothing, icon settings doesnt affect anything
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04:37.27JJScrawlsim losing my mind over here over something so simple
04:37.57Pipe_to_GrepHow do I change the email I registered nickserv with?
04:38.22jmcnaughtJJScrawls: does the kde settings program have a search?
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04:39.16JJScrawlsjmcnaught it does
04:40.33JJScrawlsI tried icons, desktop and theme
04:41.19JJScrawlsI tried Icon size under the icon settings and the desktop icons dont change
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04:44.42JJScrawlsthe icons just wont change size
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04:45.22JJScrawlsI was testing KDE w/ Kubuntu and I could resize there
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04:47.53JJScrawlsthe desktop icon resizing under icons doesn't actually effect the desktop icons
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05:54.05piveyabout 15 seconds after i plug in my debian machine, my whole router kicks out.   wifi goes down, network goes down.  rebooting router+unplugging debian fixes it.  Any ideas what this could be?
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06:06.11Guest14012anyone know what program was used to create the Linux Mint Documentation?
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06:59.03kingsleyWhy would pulseaudio stop seeing a sound card?
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06:59.55kingsleyCould upgrading the systemd or udev package(s) caused it?
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07:00.19kingsleyThe "lshw" command lists the sound card.
07:01.00kingsleyBut the "pavucontrol" utility doesn't see it, and my computer is silent.
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07:07.47hedesisHi, I'm trying to use a ViewSonic 2220 touchscreen with a BeagleBone Black rev C. using Debian Jessie, I tried on Raspberry Pi and it worked just pluging, but in BeagleBone I'm having troubles. beaglebone debian dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/970621/ raspberry pi raspbian dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/970637/ On Beaglebone it detects the touchscreen because it starts xinput-calibrator, but it doesnt detect my finger click
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07:48.56g0zzyCan anyone see what's wrong with this (the command does nothing after auth)? gksu -g -u username "export DISPLAY=:0.0;pluma ${message_file}"
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07:53.38jellyg0zzy: you don't have to set DISPLAY manually when using gksu
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07:55.16g0zzyAh!
07:55.37g0zzyI am using it over ssh though if that makes a difference
07:55.57jellywhere do you want the window to appear?
07:56.54g0zzyOn the remote user's screen
07:57.16jellygksu won't help with that then
07:57.37jellyits purpose is to help setting up apps for your current display
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07:57.55g0zzyI'm sure i've had it working elsewhere. But what would you recommend instead?
07:58.44jellymight as well su - username, then figure out the correct DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY environment variable settings from a process that's already running in that session, and use those
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07:59.20g0zzyRight. fyi this works but spews auth error messages: sudo -H -S  -u username -- pluma --display=:0.0 $message_file
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08:02.46jellyit's weird that it works
08:02.55g0zzyHa
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08:03.25jellywhat's the exact, complete output it spews on terminal?
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08:03.31jelly!paste
08:03.31dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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08:05.43rgrAs far as I can tell my laptop and desktop have the same ssh set up. Here's the issue : when booting both machines I can ssh from the latop to the desktop no problem. BUT I can not ssh from the desktop to the laptop UNTIL I have logged in from the laptop at least once. This suggests to me that SSHing from the laptop to the desktop  triggers an ssh listener on the laptop BUT I cant see how or why.  Suggestions?
08:05.47g0zzyhttp://paste.debian.net/970726/
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08:07.37jellyg0zzy: nothing about "auth" in that output, but missing environment vars for dbus to work
08:07.38g0zzyrgr: are you sshing with hostname or IP address?
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08:08.07g0zzySorry, i was using auth loosely, as in xauth etc
08:08.22rgrip address on both
08:08.46rgrnot that that should matter since its resolve client site.
08:08.49g0zzyWhat happens when it's 'wrong'?
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08:09.01rgrwrong?
08:09.06g0zzyDoesn't work
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08:09.25rgrno route to host.
08:09.39jellyg0zzy: it says some config settings can't be saved... so I'm guessing some config settings won't be saved
08:09.54g0zzyThat sounds like a network prob, not an ssh one
08:10.32jellyg0zzy: you can figure out additional env. vars needed to be able to connect to the _right_ dbus socket for that session http://paste.debian.net/970727/
08:10.39g0zzyI could live with the errors, but i'd rather not ;)
08:10.43rgryeah except for when I have logged into the desktop from the laptop I can ssh back in return just fine.
08:10.56jellyg0zzy: pick a process you _know_ is running in that X session already
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08:11.41jellyg0zzy: get its env. vars.  Set up, I guess, DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS, when running the app.
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08:12.07g0zzyI'll take a look, thanks
08:12.08jellyg0zzy: some other session related environment might be needed as well, dunno
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08:12.44g0zzyFunnily enough, i thought this kind of thing is exactly what gksu is for ;)
08:13.06rgrthough saying that I shall cold boot the laptop and then ping it to see.
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08:13.45jellyg0zzy: even if gksu knew how to do that, you didn't tell it to connect to that session over there
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08:14.07jellyand it doesn't, it only knows how to set up things to connect to this X session here.
08:14.37g0zzyRight. It's strangely difficult to display a message on another user's screen over ssh :(
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08:16.13rgrwell ping works just fine from desk to laptop.
08:16.47g0zzyRight. And right after successful ping, ssh fails?
08:16.51rgrhmm. and now ssh has worked off the bat. ah well.
08:17.37rgrso something is being woken up on the laptop with either a ping or it ssh'ing out. Arg. Its not that important. I'll look at it another day.
08:17.59g0zzyI wouldn't leap to that ;)
08:18.46g0zzyyou might as well leap to "i've got a dodgy router" ;)
08:19.29OtakuSenpaihello
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08:19.59OtakuSenpaihow do i completely purge the deb packages from my system
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08:20.34OtakuSenpaiapt-get purge eclipse says 118kb disk space will be freed
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08:21.14OtakuSenpaiwhile the original download size was 200mb size
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08:25.03cheapieOtakuSenpai: Try "apt-get autoremove", but make sure you read the list of packages it will remove before accepting.
08:25.12g0zzyeclipse has many dependencies
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08:33.22g0zzyjelly: this is my equivalent to your env investigation: http://sprunge.us/JUbe I wonder how much i need?
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08:57.28dokmaWell... replacing that bulging capacitor on my motherboard yesterday didn't help. The box is still restarting randomly. Once this morning around 10am and once just now...
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08:57.58dokmaI tried to shut down all services to weed that out as a possibility. All I had running was asterisk and Xorg
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08:58.49dokmaWhat would be a good idea to try next?
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08:59.57sukilHi
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09:00.04nix64bitdokma: its probably overheating
09:00.28dokmanothing is over 50 deg cels
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09:04.41sukilI've tried to install Debian with Speech synthesis and low priority (set with the menu, i. e. after choosing the 's' option in the boot menu, hope it doesn't matter) and I can't scroll. Shift + PageUp (the regular one) doesn't do anything when Scroll Lock is on, in fact no keys seem to do anything when Scroll Lock is on. When it's off, it doesn't do anything either, and Shift + Up and Shift...
09:04.42sukil...+ Down print out weird chars but don't scroll.
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09:05.23sukilAny ideas?
09:05.28sukilThanks!
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09:17.32nix64bitdokma: could be any number of things, I havent had much success repairing damaged mother boards
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09:39.09omilun007hello guys . i upgraded debian 8 to 9 . now my debian can not boot at all . i am on a ubuntu live cd and create a chroot directory to access my os on hdd. but i  have some problem now. i dont have any accesses to any domains like google . but i can ping 8.8.8.8 . so i can not use apt command . apt source list is useing domain repo address.
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09:39.53omilun007how to downgrade to version 8 or fix it?
09:40.59nix64bit!fix upgrade
09:40.59dpkgtakes upgrade to the vet for a "special" visit.
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09:43.31omilun007do u have any solotion to me?
09:44.22nix64bitcan you not login at all?
09:44.31woshtyomilun007: You might need an entry in /etc/resolv.conf for a DNS to resolv domain names to IPs
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09:45.20omilun007nix64bit: no i can not but i am on a live linux and i make chroot directory
09:45.39jaggzI made a systemd service (a home alert thing which plays an mp3 if I telnet to a port).. even after doing systemctl disable myalarm, which removes a symlink, the service still works (telnet to the port still plays the audio)..
09:45.54nix64bitwhat error do you get when it boots?
09:45.58jaggzsystemctl list-unit-files still shows alarm.service is enabled too
09:46.02koollmanjaggz: systemctl stop myalarm
09:46.23koollmanjaggz: enable/disable is to select wether it will be active on boot. start/stop is to start and stop it
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09:46.28jaggzstill enabled
09:46.56koollmanthen have a look at what's still running
09:46.58omilun007nix64bit: network-manager ... and i am remover it after go with live cd
09:47.10omilun007on debian
09:47.51jaggzokay.. I manually removed an etc/systemd/system/myalarm symlink and reloaded (with daemon-reload), and it shows it's disabled, but the alarm still plays when I telnet to that port
09:47.59omilun007woshty: it dose not have any things on /etc/resolv.conf
09:49.28jaggzkoollman, it's not a daemon itself -- it's just a bash script letting systemd run it on a port, by the way
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09:52.40dokmaMy Debian box still restarting randomly even after I replace a bulging capacitor on the MBO.
09:52.46dokmaHere is my sensors output: https://pastebin.com/PQC0C0K0
09:53.16dokmaAll those ALARMs on the voltages look suspect. Are they good readings?
09:53.32dokmaI suspect my PSU is grinding to a halt.
09:53.33jaggzdokma, what kind of system?
09:53.45dokmaIt's a desktop pc.
09:53.54dokmaRuns Debian Jessie.
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09:54.19jaggzdokma, on a ups?
09:54.33dokmaNo UPS. Direct plug.
09:54.35_KaszpiR_how old is your hardware?
09:54.52jaggzmaybe you have power issues.. or maybe the psu is having an issue itself
09:54.56dokmaExtremely old.
09:55.01_KaszpiR_over 4 years?
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09:55.13dokmaWay over 4 year. My MBO is about 10 years.
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09:55.18jaggznot all bad caps bulge
09:55.29dokmaI know that...
09:55.35jaggzlots of stuff can be going bad in a really old system :/
09:55.35dokmaBut don't want to hear it :D
09:55.39_KaszpiR_was it running 27/7 ?
09:55.39jaggzI had a cpu that went bad
09:55.45dokmaXup 24/7
09:55.49dokmaYup 24/7
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09:55.53_KaszpiR_ok, it's dying
09:55.59koollmandokma: so, yeah, probably dying. could be heat, could be power, could be ... anything else, really
09:56.04_KaszpiR_probably psu
09:56.15dokmaI suspect PSU as well...
09:56.27dokmaEven though PSU is the newest component on it...
09:56.51jaggzcould substitute another psu (if you have one suitable)..
09:56.53dokmaMy MBO was released Q3'07
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09:57.08dokmaActually I do have a working box sitting in the closet.
09:57.08jaggzbut lots on mb's can go bad too..
09:57.17dokmaSo a PSU replacement should be the easiest to do...
09:57.18jaggzdo logs show anything?
09:57.24jaggzbefore the reboot
09:57.26dokmaNothing in the logs.
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09:57.55jaggzgot a ups to put it on too?
09:57.57BluesKaj'Morning folks
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09:58.13koollmandokma: easy to test, then. temporarily using another psu is easy enough
09:58.36jaggzhow often's it reboot?
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09:59.01jaggzkoollman, darned systemd :)
09:59.12dokmaI think I have a UPS sitting somewhere but no cables to connect it or I would've done it already.
09:59.25_KaszpiR_with such old hardware I'd say it gona die on shutdown and may never come back
09:59.30koollmanjaggz: yes :)
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09:59.39dokmaIt reboot between 2 to 10 hours
10:00.10jaggzdokma, cool.. nice to not have the issue where it's once a week or once a month
10:00.14dokmaI suspect that as well... It served awesome for such a long time that it just struck me hard for it to fail in any way.
10:00.24jaggzlol
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10:00.55jaggzI had a thinkpad laptop I was using as a server since 2005 or so.. just shut it down maybe 2 months ago
10:01.02dokmaBut good job of reminding me that I actually already have a working PSU to try and replace.
10:01.05jaggzstill worked well.. from when ibm still handled thinkpad :)
10:01.17dokmaActually that other box is same generation so I can swap almost everything.
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10:01.38jaggzI usually just put the other psu near the system and hook it up :)
10:02.03dokmajaggz: yeah, good way to do it. Just a temp hook up to test.
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10:02.27dokmaWill get to it immediately. Gotta shutdown.
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10:02.35dokmaWill be getting back in a few hours.
10:02.45dokmaThanks & bye.
10:02.46jaggzwe'll miss you
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10:02.57dokmaHold your fingers crossed for me.
10:03.07jaggzthat actually works..
10:03.25jaggzif you promise to the Universe and hold them until the problem is solved
10:04.45nix64bitwhen the mother board or cpu start failing its not easy to fix
10:05.16jaggzcan be a pain.. and if one cap is old...
10:05.34jaggz"I replaced all the caps except one."
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10:07.38sukilOh, and less / more is not applicable here, since I'm trying to scroll up a menu of options, in this case the locale chooser. I've also tried Ctrl + Shift + Arrows / PageUp / PageDown and nothing, either
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10:09.07sukilnix64bit: No.
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10:10.38sukilnix64bit: No, I'm in the installer, trying to see all available locales but can't scroll up
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10:11.34nix64bitgenerally you tab into the select list
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10:12.18sukilnix64bit: I think I can't do that, I'm installing with speech synthesis
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10:12.50nix64bitso is tab not a word?
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10:15.36sukilhuh?
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10:16.35sukilI mean, if I tab / Shift + tab speakup doesn't say anything either, and the screen doesn't seem to change
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10:20.04nix64bitI have no idea, maybe just install with default options and change the local later
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10:22.57sukilWill probably do that
10:23.02sukilThank you
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10:56.21g0zzyWhen you set up the user on install where does that full name get stored?
10:56.37joltg0zzy: In /etc/passwd
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10:56.48joltg0zzy: you can use vipw to edit it
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10:57.11joltor chfn
10:57.17g0zzyAh thanks
10:57.33joltchfn is preferred, the user themselfs can us eit
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11:07.53omilun007hi . i have this problem after upgrade debian 8 to 9
11:07.56omilun007http://dpaste.com/1RCSX34
11:08.23omilun007this is my source list http://dpaste.com/2QZZPEK
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11:08.56omilun007how to fix it?
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11:09.57r4mpagehi there, I am trying to use firewalld in Debian
11:10.07r4mpageblocking port 8080, which is open for some reason out of the box
11:10.27r4mpageso, I want to selectively remove a rule on the INPUT chain but I am miserably failing to do so via firewall-cmd
11:10.33r4mpageany hints?
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11:10.51r4mpagetried rich rules,etc. but despite that, still open
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11:10.57r4mpagedefault zone is set to drop as well
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11:12.54joltThats debian-next, so I'm not sure loads of people here have used it yet
11:13.29omilun007guys . please help me
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11:15.13bzedr4mpage: all I know is that https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Firewalld?rd=FirewallD has a nice documentation
11:16.00bzedomilun007: where is your /usr/bin/apt-key gone to?
11:16.33joltomilun007: Ask in #debian-next
11:17.33bzedomilun007: actually I think the fix would be to download the apt package using wget, installing it manually with dpkg -i...
11:18.16bzedomilun007: or look in /var/cache/apt/archives if there is an apt deb file... and install that using dpkg -i
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11:18.34bzedomilun007: no idea what you did to remove apt-key or break it..
11:19.05omilun007bzed: http://dpaste.com/00KN3VF
11:19.41bzedomilun007: then I'm out of clues
11:19.49bzedomilun007: maybe just remove /var/lib/apt/lists and try again
11:20.23omilun007bzed: i changed my source list to http://dpaste.com/2M6G47G
11:20.25omilun007now
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11:21.17omilun007bzed: and it is downlaoding list of packages after 20 mintes . speed of download is 40Kb/ps
11:21.26bzedomilun007: use a different mirror?
11:22.47omilun007bzed: i read a article it sayed change your repo from this site https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/
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11:24.51bzedomilun007: then maybe deb.debian.org doesn't work properly for you. choose a different mirror then.
11:25.28zykotick9omilun007: ahhh, those online sources.list generators are a terrible idea...
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11:26.43bzedzykotick9: not necessarily. deb.debian.org is correct for most people
11:26.44omilun007zykotick9: really? plz give me a fine mirror of testing or strache
11:27.01bzedomilun007: use the generator and just remove the tickmark on deb.debian.org
11:27.03zykotick9!stretch sources.list
11:27.03dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main".  Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
11:27.20zykotick9bzed: "yes necessarily"!  terrible idea!
11:27.23bzedzykotick9: ..... maybe just read things before you try to be not helpful.
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11:29.25omilun007zykotick9: i was http://dpaste.com/319NJY3 but it dose not work for me
11:30.20omilun007bzed: i think you are right . i am liveing in iran and may be my government make it ban
11:30.24zykotick9omilun007: ya, i saw you pastes - sorry i have no suggestions on the fix...  <- reason #749 i don't like to use "testing"
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11:32.16omilun007zykotick9: me to but some one sed me testing is good to u . and you are a linux sysadmin and you should use it to have update packages
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11:32.58zykotick9omilun007: i'd disagree with that statement... BUT i value stability over new-packages...
11:34.52omilun007zykotick9: you are right .
11:36.01omilun007how to downgrade to version 8?
11:36.29jellyreinstalling is the only way
11:36.38omilun007zykotick9: i should use old kernel  only?
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11:37.25jellyomilun007: if you have problems accessing normal debian repos for stretch, you'll probably have issues with jessie (debian 8) as well, they use same mirror sites
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11:38.36omilun007jelly: i should use 8's mirrors? i tried it but it dose not work
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11:41.40jellyomilun007: can you pastebin the complete output
11:41.41jelly!paste
11:41.42dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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11:42.03jellyomilun007: you should use mirrors what whatever release you have installed
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11:44.04omilun007jelly: now i updated this source list http://dpaste.com/2M6G47G and this is answer :http://dpaste.com/06QC9T5
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11:54.32onee-chanso, once Stretch goes into stable, ho wlong will it take for testing to be repopulated with new packages?
11:54.39onee-chan* how long
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12:00.47mnsonee-chan: it usually doesn't take that long
12:01.03omilun007jelly: i changed source list http://dpaste.com/2A5VYJ7 and this is errors: http://dpaste.com/34ZQEXE
12:01.25onee-chanare we talking days or a week?
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12:04.15mnslast time around it was probably within a week.  Back than I was doing an update every couple of days on my Debian/testing work laptop.
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12:05.06onee-chanOk so it's days. Thank you. Once that is done I will wait a week and then update to the new testing.
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12:08.33mnsonee-chan: usually yes that is the case.
12:09.05onee-chanThanks!
12:09.11mnsI've always used debian/testing and have never had issues with upgrades once a release is done
12:10.00onee-chanThat is good to hear, but I will be cautious as this is my main machine.
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12:12.28mnsonee-chan: better cuatious.  I used Debian/testing for my work laptop, so it was my main system.
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12:59.23Linux_Adventure2hello, I am getting this error when I try to update. Please help me.  W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.th.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-updates/InRelease
12:59.24Linux_Adventure2W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.th.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/InRelease
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12:59.57etohello i am trying to read install manual and am getting 403
13:00.02etois this kosher?
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13:01.26zoomm10hello, please all sysadmin remember all the command? e.g. if i want to encrypt the hard disk, i have to remember all the steps and command line?
13:01.51etozoomm10: generally yes
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13:02.34etozoomm10: use of man tool is allowed :), though
13:02.38zoomm10eto: thank you
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13:05.28Linux_Adventure2please help me
13:05.37Linux_Adventure2on that above problem
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13:06.58digdilemLinux_Adventure2, that url appears to be valid and working for me. Can you ping ftp.th.debian.org  ? if not, you have a DNS or networking problem
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13:08.08Linux_Adventure2digdilem, It saysserver not found
13:08.17Linux_Adventure2says server not found
13:08.17jimI installed python3-virtualenv, how would I invoke virtualenv?
13:08.35digdilemLinux_Adventure2,  you have a DNS or networking problem. Can you ping 8.8.8.8 ?
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13:09.06_KaszpiR_jim http://www.bogotobogo.com/python/python_virtualenv_virtualenvwrapper.php
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13:09.23mauihi all, on my machine I need a non root user able to configure networking interface and restarting networking service. I know I can use acl to let this user access and modify /etc/network/interface file but I can figure out how to let him/her run /etc/init.d/networking restart or service networking restart or something else because on debian 8.8 sudoers file doesn't exist. Can you give me some hint, please?
13:09.59_KaszpiR_install sudo ?
13:10.29mauireally? omg! why isn't installed by default (anymore)?
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13:11.05Linux_Adventure2digdilem, not able to access 8.8.8.8.
13:11.35digdilemLinux_Adventure2, you don't appear to have a working internet connection. I'm afraid I don't have time to help you resolve that, but I have put you on the path.
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13:11.44_KaszpiR_maui AFAIR it never was?
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13:12.34Linux_Adventure2ok. thanks a lot. But, I can access other sites without any problem.
13:12.37jim_KaszpiR_, is that how to run the virtualenv executable? I was able to do that, by running dpkg -L on the package, finding the python file and running it with python3 thatfile, but what's the packaged way to invoke it? (not looking to find out how to set the options or how it works or any of that, just looking for how to run the packaged binary
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13:13.21jimI made the venv I wanted already, so this is therefore not urgent
13:14.00_KaszpiR_virtualenv venv;source venv/bin/activate;pip install -r requirements.txt; and then run that python script
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13:14.14_KaszpiR_otherwise if this is with dpkg then you may need to install system wide packages
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13:14.46_KaszpiR_also if you want to use python3 in virtualenv then use virtualenv --python=python3 venv
13:14.54_KaszpiR_the rest is the same
13:15.13jim_KaszpiR_, let me check again to see if there is an executable installed by that package called "virtualenv" (that would be too easy, I guess)
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13:15.31glickhi
13:15.37jimhi
13:15.47jimno, there is not such an executable
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13:16.32_KaszpiR_I'm failing to understand what you want to acheive, jim
13:16.36jimthere is also nothing but boilerplate in /usr/share/doc/thatpackage
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13:19.24jimwell I really achieved what I wanted to do -this time-, so nothing right now... but it would be handy to know how to run it for next time (if doing "python3 /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/virtualenv.py -p python3 venv" is -not- the right way (it is the way I discovered)
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13:19.58glickwhat arej you tryin to do jim?
13:20.02swillsis it just me or is this page forbidden? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
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13:20.57jimglick, find how to invoke the virtualenv thing I just installed (if the way I outlined above isn't the right way)
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13:21.17jimit did let me make a venv
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13:21.30th0rswills, it doesn't work here either
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13:21.39swillsth0r: thx
13:22.17swillsi've got a preseed that's started failing to download and install packages due to a DNS failure and i can't figure out why. i was looking for the docs on preseed, but can't seem to find them or can't read them when I do find them.
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13:22.25dob1hi, is 300mb enough for boot partition?
13:22.29jimoh, I forgot, this is for stretch, so I'm not in the right place, am I?
13:22.45glickyes dob1
13:22.47glickshould be
13:23.13dob1ok
13:23.27swills'd-i netcfg/get_nameservers string 1.2.3.4' is what i have in preseed (redacted IP obviously), but many examples i find show 2 and i can't find the docs to tell me if 2 are required or not
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13:23.43jimdob1, figure, it has to be large enough for at least the grub dir, and one kernel and one initrd
13:24.04dob1it asks me for the type of partition table, msdos is ok?
13:24.15r4mpagedob1: tight, but would do. 512M is pretty good.
13:24.26r4mpagedob1: depends if you want to have more than one kernel there or not
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13:24.29dob1(i am installing right now)
13:24.31jimit's asking you to create a partition table?
13:24.37dob1jim, it's a new disk
13:24.50jimhow large is the disk?
13:24.54dob11tb
13:25.11jimgpt is ok, but the cutoff is 2g
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13:25.15jimerr 2t
13:25.28dob1what is the difference between them?
13:25.53jimwith gpt you can have 128 primary partitions
13:26.11jimwith msdos you can have 4
13:26.28dob1well it's ok 4 too
13:26.39dob1they are primary
13:26.56Linux_Adventure2hello, when I try to update I am getting this error. Please help me. https://hastebin.com/uzohawoxek.http
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13:28.17jimon a 2t disk, I have 7 400g and 7 10g primaries
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13:29.27dob1jim, why you need them to be primary partition?
13:29.31vagrantinLinux_Adventure2: you should probably use another address for your Debian repo the one you are using can't be reached somehow
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13:30.16Linux_Adventure2vagrantin, please suggest the other one. I am a newbie.
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13:30.27jimdob1, it's just preference... if I don't have to use a "dos extended partition" and a bunch of "logical" partitions, I don wanna :)
13:30.38dob1jim ah ok :)
13:30.38th0rLinux_Adventure2, I was just able to fetch the gpg key using wget...from texas in the u.s.
13:30.51jimit's just a hassle
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13:31.05etoso?
13:31.06vagrantinLinux_Adventure2: you can try ftp.debian.org instead of ftp.th.debian.org
13:31.08dob1about boot partition. it's still a good practice to make it ext2 ?
13:31.11etohello i am trying to read install manual and am getting 403
13:31.14dob1or it's the same?
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13:32.34Linux_Adventure2ok
13:32.39jimI made mine ext4 I think (one 10g /boot per 400g, and one each of those per installation)
13:33.14jimand the 400g is an lvm physical volume
13:34.02colo-workusing lxc on stretch, is there a way to create a container that does not have the container itself try to configure networking via Debian lxc template?
13:34.08BluesKajLinux_Adventure2, open your package manager settings and look for software sources, there should be other mirrors/repositories you can use, then update
13:34.19jimout of which, I create vols for swap, /, /home, /usr, /var
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13:35.12Linux_Adventure2ok
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13:36.10dob1thanks jim :)
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13:37.04jimdob1, you don't have to do it that way, but it is a choice you have (you can also divide in half too)
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13:37.19dob1jim, i take them as advice :)
13:37.23jellydebchange, judd: go to sleep
13:37.26jimare you familiar with lvm?
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13:37.55cronichey, is it posible to add a backport depency in CONTROL data of .deb file?
13:38.00swillsso the link labeled "Installation Manual" off the debian.org home page is 403 and no one can do anything about it?
13:38.11jimare they gonna come back?
13:39.16jimdob1, have you used lvm before?
13:39.31dob1jim, No, I know it, but never used
13:40.03jimok, well just so you know, it
13:40.16jimhas hung tough for at least 15 years
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13:40.31dob1It's like you can change partition size when you want
13:40.33dob1but never used it
13:41.13jimhow many installations are you planning on putting on the drive?
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13:43.02Linux_Adventure2is this a secure link? http://ftp.debian.org/debian/
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13:43.48Linux_Adventure2I want to change http://ftp.th.debian.org/debian/ to the above
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13:44.49etoswills: same problem
13:44.55etoswills: manual is fucked
13:45.21swillseto: perhaps it will procreate and we can read the new one? :)
13:45.59etoswills: doesn't seem to concern channel dwellers here much
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13:46.28swillseto: clearly
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13:47.00etoswills: let's hope it will have child sometime soon, seems like there are some residues in google cache
13:47.00jellyjudd: wb
13:47.01koollmanLinux_Adventure2: yes
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13:49.24balancehi just deleted a file. is there a chance to recover it? tried it with debugfs but it doesn't list it as deleted. any other options?
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13:50.09kalipsobalance: how did you delete it?
13:50.27koollmaneto, swills : yeah, looks like someone messed up some configuration. I wonder who can correct that.
13:50.41etobalance: was the file open in some program at the moment of deletion and is this program/process still runing?
13:50.42koollmanhttps://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2017/06/threads.html it's reported for two other urls, too.
13:51.11etokoollman: thank you sir, do you know where to urge that issue?
13:51.13balancekalipso, it was opened in sublime text 3 and the dir was mounted using sshfs and I deleted it in sublime text.
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13:51.22balanceeto yes it's still running
13:51.25koollmaneto: https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2017/06/msg00022.html I'm guessing sending more will not help
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13:51.35etokoollman: thanks man
13:51.57koollman(not my email, I was checking to see if someone sent it already)
13:52.03kalipsobalance: so it should be still be loaded in your ram, but recovering from there is not that easy.
13:52.10kalipsoyou could try http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
13:52.12koollmansame on https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2017/06/msg00023.html, too :)
13:52.21balancekalipso, yeah, guess it's a nice practice so :P
13:52.40balancekalipso, ok thanks
13:52.49etobalance: when file is deleted, it is not removed from fs right away (if it still open by some proc) until it closes it as well
13:53.12etobalance: it is possible that sublime still has it open?
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13:54.52balanceeto no but I think I'm a lucky guy. I was a copy of a file I edited and I just noticed that the edit history just end's at the last edit ^^
13:55.10kalipsobalance: dont you use git?
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13:55.39kalipsos/dont/do
13:56.18etokoollman: would it help to report manual belongs to affected links as well?
13:56.41balancekalipso, I do usually but the file was only meant to a temp. backup so I didn't commit it. anyway, I think I got it back and if it would be lost it wouldn't be that tragic. I'm also just eager to learn new stuff so I though I might try to recover it. I might even try it still with testdisk. can't hurt :) thanks
13:57.14koollmaneto: maybe. isn't it also below releases though ?
13:57.33etokoollman: sec
13:57.38etokoollman: indeed it is
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13:57.52koollmanmaybe point out that the manual is there too. pretty urgent :)
13:58.41kalipsobalance: using testdisk while take a while because you have to restore the whole harddrive. i once tryied to recover from ram and had the help of some hardcore linux gurus and it was anything else than easy but if you are motivated go for it :
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13:58.58kalipso)
13:59.42balancekalipso, hehe, yeah I'll probably look into it
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14:03.14dob1i can't access here https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
14:03.32dob1You don't have permission to access /releases/stable/installmanual on this server. Server unable to read htaccess file, denying access to be safe
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14:03.43swillsdob1: welcome to the club
14:03.50dob1ah ok :)
14:05.04dob1so i ask here, during installtion, at the kernel choice, it gives me, linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64, or linux-image-amd64,  make sense to select linux-image-amd64,  it's not the same kernel linux-amd64-image?
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14:16.23Aebiancan someone explain to me the appraoch of fstab? I tried to mount a drive so it can be access by just doing a 'cd /sw' my entry in the fstab looks like this: /dev/sdc                /db                     ext4    defaults        0 0
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14:17.02koollmanwell, /db is not /sw
14:17.23Aebianthats an example I also mounted other drives
14:17.24koollmanalso are you sure it's /dev/sdc (the whole disk) and not a partition on it (maybe /dev/sdc1)
14:17.37Aebianhmm I'll check
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14:18.43Aebianwell tbh the drives are just attached to the server so they are blank and not partioned atm. I think I should do that first?
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14:20.37salomon_Hello I am having problems installing debian when booting using grub direct from iso with the option to-ram.
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14:22.24jhutchins_wkAebian: Yes, you need to create a filesystem before it can be mounted, Linux does not deal directly with raw drives.
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14:23.03jhutchins_wkAebian: Also, you need to either manually mount the filesystem, specify that it mounts at boot, or use autofs to mount it on demand.
14:23.13salomon_I get the live environment just fine, however upon installing: Debootstrap Error Failed to determine the codename for the release
14:23.21strkcan a debian/control file have variables to build a different package depending on some environment variable ?
14:23.51strkie: this is for a posgresql extension package, which would need to be named differently and probably have different deps based on postgresql version
14:24.03Aebianjhutchins_wk: k on it. Well fstab is mount on boot so I stick with this, thanks
14:24.06strk( and, is there a better channel to ask these questions ? )
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14:27.47etodob1: i just finished netinstall jessie and was not asked about kernel - can i ask when kernel question is asked?
14:28.22jhutchins_wketo: What question?
14:28.58etojhutchins_wk: this one dob1: during installation, at the kernel choice, it gives me, linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64, or linux-image-amd64
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14:30.16jhutchins_wketo: I don't recall that question being asked, but I don't run the installer that often.  I did just build a couple of systems and didn't see that.
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14:30.36etojhutchins_wk: me neither, that's why i asked
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14:30.39jhutchins_wketo: Which release are you installing?
14:30.57etojhutchins_wk: jessie 8.8 and it's already installed
14:31.23dob1eto, before installing packages
14:31.30jhutchins_wketo: I guess you're referring to an earlier conversation I wasn't aware of, sorry for butting in.
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14:31.43etojhutchins_wk: no problem
14:31.47peixotohello thre
14:31.50dob1I am not using the graphical installation
14:31.52peixotowho use xrandr?
14:31.53peixoto:)
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14:32.00etopeixoto: why?
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14:32.05peixotoi want to make my 23" a 17"! x)
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14:32.12peixotowith borders! :)
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14:32.31peixotobecause this 23" is cool while on the bed, but, when i am on the desktop, damn too big :)
14:32.31dob1cut it ? :)
14:32.57peixotolol
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14:33.06peixotoi want to keep the 23"
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14:33.15peixotoi want it multifaces :)
14:33.17peixotoX)
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14:33.30etojhutchins_wk: is debian installable by hand like arch and other similar distros?
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14:33.46greycat!tell eto about debootstrap
14:34.08BluesKajpeixoto,  what's too big the images/fonts etc or the screen itself?
14:34.52etoswitching vts seemed to provide me with busybox shell, but most commands i am accustomed don't work
14:35.15BluesKajincrease the resolution to make the images and fonts smaller
14:35.20jhutchins_wkIs anyone aware of a Debian document that explains the backporting of security patches to stable releases similar to this one from RedHat: https://access.redhat.com/security/updates/backporting
14:35.23etogreycat: ty
14:36.35jhutchins_wketo: Pretty much anything you can do manually to one Linux distribution you can do to any other, it may be a question of what tools or automation are provided.
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14:37.05greycathttp://www.debian.org/security/ is giving a 403 :(
14:37.43peixotoBluesKaj, the screen :)
14:37.43thufasamba server runs good and nice in Debian? Because in RH have lots of bugs. I'm installing Debian now to run samba...
14:37.44etogreycat: server seems fucked
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14:38.14etojhutchins_wk: i know, but i was expecting at least lsblk and partitioning tools on netinstall iso
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14:38.34BluesKajpeixoto,  sit further away
14:38.59peixotoyeah :)
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14:39.06peixotoi do it :)
14:39.13BluesKajor move the monitor further away
14:39.16jhutchins_wketo: The installer images are really meant to do automated installs.  There are some provisions for custimization.
14:39.22peixotocan not move the monitor :)
14:39.29peixotojust closer :)
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14:39.51peixotoyou do not know if it is possible?
14:40.02BluesKajpeixoto,  what's you resolution setting?
14:40.07peixotoyeah, maybe i will add a tablet on my sofa :)
14:40.08BluesKajyour
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14:40.15peixoto1920x1080
14:40.23etoty jhutchins_wk
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14:41.23peixotoi'll add a shelf on my little sofa to put the keyboard on if it is not possible :)
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14:55.42thufawhat package/packages shoud I install in debian (last version) for commom samba user??
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14:55.57thufauser not... SERVER, sorry
14:56.10greycatTo set up a Samba server, install "samba".
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14:56.47thufagreycat: OH, thank you. =) so easy
14:56.53thufaon going
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15:02.16celyrmmm : Package 'gcc-doc-base' has no installation candidate
15:02.22celyrwtf is going on with my debian
15:02.39greycatforgot to add non-free, probably
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15:02.59celyr?
15:03.06celyrNo I didn't forgot at all
15:03.12celyrI didn't add it on purpose
15:03.19celyrgcc-doc is non free ? wtf ?
15:03.26greycatYep.
15:03.52celyr?
15:03.53greycatoh, actually it's in contrib
15:04.30greycatBut the package description says "This documentation is available from non-free part of Debian archive."
15:04.39celyrdeb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main controb :P
15:04.53celyrand apt was not complaining
15:04.54celyrlol
15:04.54greycatcontrib has an "i" in it
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15:06.52jelly!dfsg
15:06.52dpkgDFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines .  For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses
15:07.00jellynot that one, sorry
15:07.05jelly!gfdl
15:07.05dpkg[gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases.  Read the discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html .  See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001
15:07.14jelly^^ celyr reason why
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15:09.35X51how i can add user and when added user example test
15:09.45X51on home dir make auto dir t/test
15:09.50greycatThere are lots of ways, but the eaiest is the "adduser" command.
15:09.52X51and all user which is T.. create auto dir in /home/t
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15:09.58X51which is B create /home/b/buser
15:10.16greycatAdd stuff inside /etc/skel/ and it will be added to newly created home directories.
15:10.28celyrjelly, well thanks
15:10.31celyrpretty absurd
15:10.34X51but how
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15:11.01jellyX51: you want to have a hashed directory structure with an extra subdir under /home with first character of the username?
15:11.07X51yes
15:11.19greycatOh, that you might have to do by hand.
15:11.38jellyX51: if you use adduser, read about LETTERHOMES in /etc/adduser.conf
15:11.50X51thx dear
15:11.53greycatAh, nice.
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15:12.02X51i find
15:12.05jellyyou're welcome sweetie
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15:15.16jellyI have a new way doing a release upgrade on physical machines: step 1) migrate to a VM, stop services and give physical machine a temp IP step 2) take snapshot step 3) do a release upgrade, check everything works step 4) rsync everything back to physical
15:16.00jellyor better, step 4) shut down the physical machine and never see it again
15:16.12celyrWas going to say that
15:16.15celyranyway
15:16.29celyrI would really do it in another way
15:16.46jellybut policy mandates some stuff be as independent as possible
15:16.57celyrthen just use 2 root
15:17.11jellythat means two physical machines in two datacenters, relying only on local storage
15:17.37celyrwell
15:17.50celyrthat doesn't forbid you to install vmware esxi
15:17.54celyror whatever
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15:18.34jellyesxi has a 8-12GB RAM overhead :-)
15:18.44celyr=
15:18.47celyr?
15:18.48celyrnah
15:19.05jelly(with vsan and vds enabled, tho)
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15:20.00jellyreally, I have a fresh new cluster on the side, nodes without any load have 12GB RAM used
15:20.01celyrmaybe with VCENTER you have that overhead
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15:20.25jellyvcenter is just a VM, node with vcenter on it has 20GB used.
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15:21.23jellyalso, this is used for commercial purposes so can't use gratis licences
15:21.23celyrhow are you counting that ?
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15:22.00jellylooking at host GUI or vcenter GUI where it says how much cpu, ram and disk is used.
15:22.59celyrcheck with esxtop m
15:23.00jellyanyway, it makes jessie->stretch of a physical system rather painless
15:23.12celyrstretch has not been released yet
15:23.16celyrare you using it in production ?
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15:23.30jellynot yet
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15:24.23celyrAnyhow I'm pretty sure that memory overhead of esxi is much smaller than 8 gb
15:24.27celyror 12
15:24.37jellyit adds up apparently
15:24.50celyryou are counting the cache
15:24.59celyrreal overhead is 1gb or so
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15:25.40jellyI'm not counting it, their GUI is.
15:27.07jellyPMEM  /MB: 65406   total: 12201     vmk,284 other, 52919 free
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15:27.42jelly(it's a tiny host with just 64GB total RAM)
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15:28.45jellyonly got bit by predictable network interface names
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15:58.59solarenginHello I downgraded my laptop but only HD remained should I re install Debian9
15:59.19towo`why?
15:59.19solarenginor is it okay w/o reinstalling
15:59.25solarenginmy pc broken
15:59.27towo`it should boot
15:59.50towo`maybe the graphic does not come up, because of wrong driver
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16:00.02solarenginit is booting but I am not sure should I reinstall for performance because It is old pc
16:00.03towo`but that you only can know
16:00.06solarenginno it is working
16:00.27solarenginI am on the laptop I mention
16:00.39twWouldn't reinstall then. No purpose for it, really.
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16:00.55solarenginokay thank you :)
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16:17.56ElDiaboloHi. How do I list all files from packages that have been edited?
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17:37.29GG_PhyduckCorri why you sharing that union address? i don't have tor installed.. or a irc client setup to connect to tor
17:37.41spacebug^someone more lonely than me :D
17:38.03GG_Phyducki'm not lonely but i do lie to myself.
17:38.32spacebug^hehe
17:38.43uxfiWhat are you guys up to
17:39.04GG_Phyduckanyway i do wonder what goes on in a irc server on the dark web. Shady shit i imagine
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17:40.28GG_PhyduckWAIT WHAT! playstation 4 is only like 200 bucks now ? thats cool
17:41.11GG_Phyducksorry should not talke about gaming here i mean this is a irc room dedicated to debian but still thats amazed me somewhat
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17:41.21Nekrasow1Today I updated debian. Something went wrong with dns-resolver.
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17:41.59GG_Phyduckwhat are the contents of /etc/resolv.conf ? or does debian not use that anymore?
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17:42.24spacebug^it does use that
17:42.27greycatman resolv.conf;  it's your DNS name servers and your default DNS search domain
17:42.35mutanteblames NetworkManager right away
17:42.38Nekrasow1resolv.conf is sets dynamicaly now
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17:43.00greycatThere are various ways you can attempt to make it STOP modifying resolv.conf, but it's a project.
17:43.07junkadoesnt systemd do that do already?
17:43.12greycat*shudder*
17:43.14junkatoo*
17:43.16GG_Phyducksorry then my knowledge is outdated.. please ask other experts in the irc.. sorry
17:43.25greycatif systemd ever starts doing that, you will see me in here screaming
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17:43.58junkathat would be fun to watch
17:43.59junka:P
17:44.04BluesKajnm overwrites any setings in resolv.conf , dns nameservers shoulkd be enterd in the /etc/network/interfaces file
17:44.19greycatwhat.
17:44.19Nekrasow1Resolv.conf is used by NetworkManager
17:44.26greycatwhat.
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17:44.52mutantesee, i said NetworkManager, didn't even have to read all the details :)
17:44.55mutantehates that
17:44.59koollman:)
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17:45.13koollmanblame networkmanager, if it's not enough, blame systemd ;)
17:45.23mutantesounds accurate, yep
17:45.24codebamI think networkmanager overwrites resolv.conf when it starts? replacing it with it's own settings
17:45.36greycatcodebam: *that* one sounds much less wrong.
17:45.49greycatNot that I use NM.  Ever.
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17:45.57codebamhaha thanks
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17:46.05johnfghi folks
17:46.10koollmangreycat: if you want to scream, have a look at 'nss-myhostname' from systemd. and the associated bug reports :)
17:46.12greycatThe first thing people need to understand is that NM is *optional*.  It only manages interfaces that are not already managed in /etc/network/intefaces
17:46.32greycatkoollman: if it's off by default, I don't even want to KNOW about it.
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17:46.49koollmanwell, off on debian by default I think
17:47.05Nekrasow1I have in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d have "base" file changed -> and nameserver added
17:47.10koollmanbut ... not upstream. on redhat, it re-adds itself after each upgrade
17:47.25johnfgIs there a flag with xvncviewer, or a cmd available from the F8 popup, to view another machine in it's size, or I think it's called resize to viewer in a different program?
17:47.37greycatThe resolvconf pacakge is ALSO optional, and can be removed in most cases.
17:47.54BluesKajif you don't use wifi then NM isn't really necessary , interfaces and resolv.conf can take care of the ethernet, just need to use a static setting in the the interfaces file
17:48.05greycatSo, to make Debian stop fucking with your resolv.conf file, the first two steps are to make sure you aren't using resolvconf, or network-manager.
17:48.07Nekrasow1i use wifi
17:48.39greycatThen there's your DHCP client daemon, and *that* one is a real baffler.  If your changes to dhclient.conf don't work, then you just break out the chattr command and be done with it.
17:49.09BluesKajNekrasow1,  yeah, it's easier to use NM with wifi then trying to configure it in the interfaces
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17:49.26BluesKajthen=than
17:49.31Nekrasow1resolv.conf was broken today. It happened after the update
17:49.50koollmanI really wish there was some global debconf option "I know what I'm doing, do not touch my conf". to alternate between 'default configuration that should work' and 'never ever change what was being done before' :)
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17:50.55jmcnaughtthat is generally what one can expect while running debian stable
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17:51.34koollmanyeah. but ... it's not what one gets, usually. Else we would have fewer questions about this kind of things :)
17:52.12jmcnaughtsurprise changes to configs usually happen to people running testing or unstable
17:52.22BluesKajgreycat,  I don't use NM , but resolv,conf has this entry: nameserver 127.0.0.53
17:52.31greycatIs that what you wanted?
17:52.41BluesKajis it necessary?
17:52.42jmcnaughtanywas koollman you might be interested in https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/21/debian-conffile-configuration-file-managed-by-dpkg/
17:52.53greycatIt's your file.  You tell me.  Is it what you put there?   Is it working?
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17:53.16greycatjmcnaught: resolv.conf is not a package conffile, unfortunately.
17:53.22jmcnaughtnameserver 127.0.0.53 is the stub resolver provided by systemd-resolved.service
17:53.24koollmanjmcnaught: I know most of that. it's more about the configuration options for packages
17:53.41BluesKajI didn't enter anything in resol.conf, greycat ,,seems to be there by default
17:53.56BluesKajresolv,conf rather
17:54.09jmcnaughtkoollman: it shows how to tell dpkg to keep your conffiles without prompting about it
17:54.25greycatjmcnaught: this is irrelevant to the current discussion.  resolv,conf is not a conffile.
17:54.33koollmanjmcnaught: yep. And yet, my system changes. and this resolv.conf file changed :)
17:54.48greycatMANY things battle for control over resolv.conf
17:55.01greycatEach of them thinks it's got some good reason for rewriting it.
17:55.12jmcnaughtsorry koollman was asking 'I really wish there was some global debconf option "I know what I'm doing, do not touch my conf"'
17:55.14koollmanand most of them are wrong :)
17:55.34koollmanjmcnaught: yes. but there is not. there are for some configuration files. but not others
17:55.36codebamanyone know where I can change what dns servers dnsmasq uses to resolve if the result isn't already cached?
17:55.38BluesKajgreycat,  so i can live without resolv.conf
17:55.44greycatI even had a solution that invovles modifying dhclient.conf which worked perfectly well at work.., but *NOT* at home.
17:55.50greycatBluesKaj: what, no!
17:55.58greycatBluesKaj: it's a SUPER FUCKING IMPORTANT file.
17:56.01koollmanBluesKaj: not really. need that to solve names, pretty useful
17:56.07greycatThat's why there is so much drama over things that break it.
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17:57.31jmcnaughtcodebam: dnsmasq will use what's in /etc/resolv.conf
17:58.06codebamjmcnaught: that doesn't make sense. resolv.conf is set to 127.0.0.1 because that's what dnsmasq is running on
17:58.36codebamare you saying dnsmasq will check for the second entry in resolv.conf?
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17:59.10jmcnaughtcodebam: yes, or you can tell it to use a different file with -r
17:59.42greycatFor the vast majority of Debian users, there will be three sane ways to manage resolv.conf.  Either you use the nameserver IPs provided by DHCP; or you use Google's public nameserver IPs; or you run your own resolver and use 127.0.0.1
18:00.01greycatFor the last two, you have modified resolv.conf yourself, and you DO NOT WANT any software changing it.
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18:00.42codebamoh okay, cool. so since I'm using dnsmasq with networkmanager using the option for it inside networkmanager's config. would I set the resolv.conf nameservers inside /etc/network/interfaces?
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18:02.39jmcnaughtcodebam: networkmanager doesn't have a way to specify the upstream nameservers?
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18:03.15jmcnaughtcodebam: generally networkmanager is separate from /e/n/interfaces and ignore interfaces defined there. It's not clear what you're trying to do though
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18:04.04codebamso I'm already using networkmanager with dnsmasq, I just want to change what nameservers are used to resolve secondary to when it's already cached
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18:07.02jmcnaughtcodebam: you can add custom DNS to a NM connection in its GUI
18:07.19codebamso I just add it under additional dns servers?
18:07.34jmcnaughtyeah
18:07.35greycathas absolutely no clue what is being asked here
18:07.46codebamoh cool
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18:08.14greycatWhat does "secondary to when it's already cacned" mean?  What does dnsmasq do differently from, say, dnscache or bind in recursive resolver mode?
18:08.52codebamgreycat: dnsmasq is a daemon for dns query caching, I have networkmanager setup to use dnsmasq via an option that's built in. I was just wondering how to change the servers that are used to resolve when it's not being read from dnsmasq's cache
18:09.02codebamso I got it working now
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18:09.16codebamjust had to change it inside networkmanager
18:10.14greycatSo it's like a paper-thin proxy in front of a real DNS resolver?  It can't look up anything by itself, so you have to provide it with the IP of a *real* resolver that can do all the heavy lifting for it?
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18:10.39greycatwonders why anyone would use this instead of just installing a working resolver
18:11.32codebamgreycat: yeah, and because after the first resolve new resolves are basically instantaneous. like 1ms
18:12.11jmcnaughti use the dnsmasq instance configured by libvirt's private network as my first resolver so that i can resolve hostnames of VMs in jessie
18:12.12codebambut you don't actually have to provide it an address to use. it defaults to the default resolver for the network if you don't specify
18:12.29greycatcodebam: a real resolver would also have that property
18:12.30koollmangreycat: usually, that's not the goal of dnsmasq. it's an all-in-one solution for dhcp+minimal dns resolver. But sometimes it's used as cache with a forwarder
18:12.55codebamgreycat: but not instant. the advantage is that resolves are instant after you resolve once
18:13.04greycatcodebam: a real resolver would also have that property
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18:13.14codebamno?
18:13.38jmcnaughta recursive resolver wouldn't be configured through NetworkManager though
18:14.24greycattitan:~$ dnsqr A www.google.com >/dev/null; TIMEFORMAT='%R %U %S' time dnsqr A www.google.com >/dev/null
18:14.27greycat0.00user 0.00system 0:00.00elapsed 0%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 1204maxresident)k
18:14.29greycat0inputs+0outputs (0major+68minor)pagefaults 0swaps
18:14.41greycatHmm, damn, it ran the wrong "time" command.
18:14.55SuperSeriousCatI use dnsmasq as a cache. It get its DNS's from a few DNSCrypt servers with DNSSEC support
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18:15.09greycattitan:~$ TIMEFORMAT='%R %U %S'; time dnsqr A www.google.com >/dev/null
18:15.09greycat0.003 0.000 0.000
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18:15.16greycatThat's what I wanted.
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18:16.10koollmancodebam: most dns resolver have some kind of caching system
18:16.10codebamSuperSeriousCat: how do I configure it with dnsmasq? or are you not using networkmanager?
18:16.43SuperSeriousCatConfigured using CLI
18:16.51codebamkoollman: oh okay
18:17.07codebamand okay. probably not possible using networkmanager
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18:17.26SuperSeriousCatThink it is
18:17.56SuperSeriousCatSaw something about networkmanager in the guide. Google "Arch DNSCRypt"  if you want a good tutorial
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18:19.53greycatGiven a standard non-ancient desktop computer in the year 2017, is there actually a realistic reason someone would want this dnsmasq proxy instead of just running a regular resolver?
18:20.15codebamSuperSeriousCat: okay cool, I'll check that out
18:20.31koollmangreycat: many tutorials for it, because it's tiny and is popular on home routers
18:20.45twgreycat: like a full instance of bind? or sssd?
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18:21.01greycattw: personally I'm using dnscache from djbdns
18:21.18koollmangreycat: otherwise, no. although it technically is a regular resolver
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18:21.40jmcnaughtit's a forwarding resolver
18:22.08SuperSeriousCatDont they all forward?
18:22.13koollmanno
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18:22.34greycatMost of them can be configured to forward for specific internal domains, etc.
18:22.59jmcnaughtothers are recursive
18:23.09koollman'usually' you either have a very minimal resolver, that will forward. then you have a 'real' recursive resolver, that knows the '.' zone from some hint file
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18:23.26koollmanand then the authoritative server, although not needed usually on the client side
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18:24.11greycatMy plastic-router seems to have some sort of forwarding DNS built into it, which sends requests on to the ISP's nameservers, which tend not to be super fast.  So I run dnscache locally instead.
18:24.13SuperSeriousCatauthorative as in 8.8.8.8?
18:24.16koollmandnsmasq is authoritative (for tiny zones usually) and forwarding resolver. Not sure if you can make it a full recursive resolver, too
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18:24.42koollmanSuperSeriousCat: no. as in 'This dns is the official dns server for the domain example.com'
18:24.47greycat"authoritative" means it's the actual registered name server for a given domain, as in "debian.org name server sec2.rcode0.net"
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18:25.53koollmanand recursive means you start from the root (which is '.') authoritative server and get down to the answer you want by asking various authoritative servers
18:25.57greycatThere are two types of DNS name servers.  Authoritative ones only answer queries for their specific domains.  Recursive resolvers answer queries from end user client apps, by talking to authoritative name servers.
18:26.23koollmangreycat: well, 3, with forwarding 'stub' servers . but I get your point :)
18:26.56greycatForwarding is just an extra bonus feature of a recursive resolver.
18:27.07codebamI think I got dnscrypt working... not really sure
18:28.01SuperSeriousCatYou can do a tcpdump to check that
18:29.00SuperSeriousCatActually, if you just installed it locally on a PC you can just nslookup
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18:29.48codebamSuperSeriousCat: how will I know if it's going through dnscrypt though with nslookup?
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18:30.03codebamsince I have dnsmasq running too
18:30.22codebamcaching it's queries
18:30.30SuperSeriousCatYou see what nameserver it asked
18:30.57codebamyeah 127.0.0.1
18:31.02codebamwhich is dnsmasq
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18:31.18codebamI have no way of knowing where dnsmasq got it from
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18:32.52SuperSeriousCatsudo tcpdump -i eth0 dst host 77.66.84.233 or src host 77.66.84.233 -n
18:33.17SuperSeriousCatChange IP to the DNSCrypt resolver you setup. You shall see 2 :443 at each DNs query you do
18:33.29twwhich is the same as `host <ip>` which would match either end.
18:33.36codebamah okay, cool
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18:34.05SuperSeriousCatGood point, tw :P
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18:43.52greycatAh good, security.debian.org is back.
18:44.31greycatFor the person (long ago!) who wanted a document about how Debian security works, check https://www.debian.org/security/faq#handling and the rest of that page.
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18:45.36godddddhid3?
18:45.40godddddthe rigt 1?
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18:48.04codebamSuperSeriousCat: I'm not seeing any output when I leave that running (I switched it to the interface I'm using) and run "dig example.com"
18:50.41SuperSeriousCatStrange. Setup dnsmasq to log and tail it
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18:53.12codebamis there a reason you chose that specific ip address? is that the default dnscrypt server?
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18:53.47DammitJimI don't know why I am upset about this request from upper management, but...
18:54.12DammitJimwhat antivirus should I install on my Debian servers?
18:54.24SuperSeriousCatIt is just one of the ones I use
18:54.32DammitJimmaybe I feel like this because I never considered it... I just thought of it as more work and potential for more problems
18:54.38centrxDammitJim: clamav
18:54.50greycatdammitjim: Is it intended to protect the Debian server, or are you receiving email, and you want to protect the end user workstations who read the email?
18:55.02DammitJimthe debian server
18:55.20DammitJimwe have a different email system we outsource
18:55.44codebamit doesn't need an antivirus. selinux might be of interest, but it'll probably break things
18:55.58codebamclamav is mostly for scanning for windows viruses
18:56.04codebami.e. in emails
18:56.14greycatAttacks against Unix-type systems are usually in form of "worms" that target a vulnerable network service.
18:56.36greycatTo protect against worms, you just make sure you keep up to date on security  patches.
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18:57.27centrxclamav checks the box for the organization, it's solid, it's free, and it's in the Debian archive
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18:57.52codebamyou might want to install something like fail2ban or disable ssh password login altogether
18:58.20greycatcodebam: sounds like he doesn't actually want to secure his system, so much as to give the illusion that he has secured his system
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18:58.41codebamah haha okay
18:58.55greycatTo convince Dilbert's pointy-haired boss that all is well.
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18:59.39codebamI wonder if his bosses name is Jim
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19:07.09DammitJimclamAV, great
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19:07.44DammitJimgreycat, I said that to management
19:07.50DammitJimthey said, you put it on the servers
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20:01.53jhutchins_wkThe only thing clam AV actually does, other than eat resources, is meet the audit requirement to have an AV program on a box.  It does that well.
20:02.09greycatyou can tell because it has "av" in the name
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20:02.34jhutchins_wkAch, he's gone.
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20:03.59jhutchins_wkAVG actually provides some real protection.
20:04.23greycatN: Unable to locate package avg
20:04.41greycatAh, bot says "proprietary".
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20:06.17jhutchins_wkgreycat: Yep, free for home use though.
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20:06.28jhutchins_wkThere are new ones since I last looked, like comodo.
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20:24.59ross`for some reason udhcpd isn't giving an ip address to my desktop
20:25.12ross`I have the eth0 set correctly.
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20:50.43jhutchinsross`: How did you configure it?
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20:53.00egraini'm running debian 7. how do i find out if i'm on efi or not?
20:53.34greycat*usually* the easiest way would be to type "df" and see if there is a /boot/efi file system
20:55.10egraini don't have one in df, but fdisk -l says there is one. so it's created but not mounted and therefor not used?
20:55.14egrainwhat a weird installation.
20:56.05egrainah, no. there it is.
20:56.17jhutchins_wkegrain: Since it's usually pre-boot,  there's no real reason to mount it.
20:56.26jhutchins_wkegrain: Unless you're modifying it.
20:56.50egrainthe efi parition is mounted as /boot
20:56.54egrainthat's why i didn't see it.
20:57.09egrainanyway, thanks a bunch.
20:57.47egrainbut then there is no /boot/efi  just /boot/grub
20:57.50egrainthis is very confusing to me.
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21:05.01r7stanyone have any experience making openssh and dropbear play nice?
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21:06.54r7sttrying to do pub/priv key auth between the two
21:08.48r7sti can ssh into my local machine, then to non-root on my vps, but then NOT to root on it? thats with password auth. i can't get keys to work at all in either direction. dropbearconvert doesn't seem to be helping
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21:10.33fgdsfgi could connect yesterday to a machine through ssh just fine, and today I get connection refused.. NOTHING has changed on the remote machine, so why such thing happens to me?
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21:15.11r7stfgdsfg: are you using a dynamic ip?
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21:18.03egraingrub.cfg says nothing about efi whatsoever. so i'm going with not an efi system. any objections?
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21:18.06`Kevinfgdsfg: refused suggests firewall or sshd not listening on that ip/port
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21:19.21`Kevinegrain: thats up to you, if you do not need what efi offers skip it
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21:21.04fgdsfg`Kevin no firewall and yesterday it was working ,why would ssh stop listening and what can I do about it from outside?
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21:22.11`Kevinfgdsfg: thats something you will have to debug :|, what remote access options do you have?
21:22.45fgdsfgI had ssh
21:23.34`Kevinand nothing else? is this a `cloud` vm or something
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21:24.46egrain`Kevin, i need to find out if i'm already on uefi or not. that's all. it's a remote server. i don't have access to the bios so i have to go with what is already running.
21:25.54`Kevinegrain: are you able to boot into an existing OS? (havent read backscroll)
21:26.36jmcnaughtegrain: check to see if you have grub-pc (bios) or grub-efi-amd64 installed
21:26.43egrain`Kevin, yes, i'm on debian 7 right now. there is an efi partition mounted as /boot, but there is no /boot/efi, just /boot/grub. and the grub.cfg doesn't mention efi either. just "prefix" when i grep -i efi.
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21:27.46fgdsfg`Kevin nevermind, you're as lost as me
21:28.05`Kevinegrain: try using efibootmgr
21:28.18`Kevinsee if it runs or bombs out(efi not suppported)
21:29.12fgdsfghttp://www.codingthoughts.com/2012/12/ssh-connection-refused-on-amazon-ec2.html
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21:29.19egrainefibootmgr gives me a few things. last line: Boot0007* UEFI OS
21:29.24egrainso it's efi after all?
21:29.24`Kevinegrain: also does this dir exist /sys/firmware/efi
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21:29.34`Kevinif so you are likely booting with efi
21:29.34egrainoh. wrong machine. haha. wait.
21:29.44fgdsfgamazon creates instances whose ssh stops working after a day, and then you have to buy an extra one and reboot your instance if you want to recover it
21:29.47fgdsfgnot gonna happen
21:29.53fgdsfgfucking idiots
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21:30.12egrainthere is no efibootmgr installed. /sys/firmware doesn't have efi. just acpi and memmap
21:30.17egrainso no uefi.
21:30.21egrainthanks so much.
21:31.15egrain`Kevin, forgot to name you in my response. read my 3 previous lines, please. thanks.
21:31.53_KaszpiR_'<fgdsfg> amazon creates instances whose ssh stops working after a day, and then you have to buy an extra one and reboot your instance if you want to recover it '
21:31.54_KaszpiR_what
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21:32.18`Kevin_KaszpiR_: he is mis-reading :)
21:33.21_KaszpiR_yeah, sounds like total bullshit
21:33.27fgdsfg`Kevin are you talking about me, sore loser?
21:34.04`Kevinfgdsfg: sounds like you would be the sore loser, i simply stated you mis-read that blog it isnt aws's fault
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21:34.29fgdsfgfound more than 100 websites with people suffering the same issue, all of a sudden amazon ssh stops working
21:34.40fgdsfgif you can't help me it's okay
21:34.42_KaszpiR_it's not amazon fault
21:34.44fgdsfgbut avoid judging me
21:34.51_KaszpiR_more like canonical giving shitty ubuntu images
21:34.56`Kevin^
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21:35.07fgdsfgimages amazon provides, and amazon doesn't allow you to choose a different one
21:35.17_KaszpiR_yeah right
21:35.23fgdsfgif amazon provides bad images, then it's amazon fault
21:35.25_KaszpiR_there is a plenty of images out there
21:35.28fgdsfgwhat the fuck ahve I misread?
21:35.28`Kevinfgdsfg: when i ran on amazon i built my own images
21:35.37_KaszpiR_learn to run your own images?
21:35.38fgdsfgI don't give a fuck about what you do
21:35.43_KaszpiR_aws allows to publish images,
21:35.56fgdsfgI expect ssh not to fail 24 hours later after I buy a machine and I've done nothing in it, and if it fails, it's obviusly my provider's fault
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21:36.04_KaszpiR_the only operating ssytem tehy actually support officialyy is Amazon Linux
21:36.20`Kevinfgdsfg: if you are running an image built by someone you dont even know then what are your actual expecations?
21:36.22_KaszpiR_not really, more like misconfiguration
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21:36.41_KaszpiR_aws really does not interfere into the ubuntu images
21:36.58_KaszpiR_they are built by canonical
21:37.02_KaszpiR_and published as official
21:37.08_KaszpiR_blame canonical
21:38.32`Kevinfgdsfg: if the `machine` is up and running and sshd is not running then it is a software configuration problem or version(buggy?) it is not a provider fault
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21:39.38fgdsfgshut up clown, if I pay for something I expect that something not to fail if I don't touch it
21:39.43fgdsfgbut how could you understand
21:39.47fgdsfgyou still live at your parents house
21:39.51`Kevinfgdsfg: fix your expecations then as you are not understanding
21:40.02`Kevinexpectations/
21:40.20`Kevinamazon isnt selling you a OS
21:40.23`Kevinyou chose the OS
21:40.39_KaszpiR_lol
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21:40.49_KaszpiR_this guy is awesome
21:40.57jmcnaughtlet's all drop it please
21:41.00fgdsfgcan anyone confirm if these two are trolls, or just retarded?
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21:41.13_KaszpiR_look into the mirror, please
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21:41.55_KaszpiR_fgdsfg you can always send ticket to the AWS Support for help
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21:42.25spongeHello
21:42.50johnkeatesWe've run out of hello's. All we have left is a slightly used hi
21:42.59uxfiSponge bob squarepants?
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21:44.00spongea member of the sponge family :)
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21:44.32spongeDoes anyone know if there's a way to edit RSIbreak settings, so that only being idle for more than 10-30 seconds will count as being idle? That's in order to make the "total time of activity" more accurate.
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21:45.26_KaszpiR_fgdsfg one more thing, in my experience with debian/ubuntu and AWS I've had some issues with certain ubuntu ami images, sometimes they were failing from the start or misbehaved after some time - but those were ususally some daily builds, LTS distributions tend to work ok
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21:46.45SuperTramp83I have one hello but I'm keeping it, inflation..
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21:53.49fgdsfg_KaszpiR_: yeah well, I'm just going to switch to another vps provider
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21:54.57_KaszpiR_sure
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21:56.30buuIf
21:56.39buuIf I have /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libOpenCL.so.1 installed, why can't gcc -l OpenCL find it?
21:59.36_KaszpiR_cause you need dev package?
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22:05.11buuwhat?
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22:05.20buureally?
22:05.45buuso what's the dev package named for that?
22:05.50_KaszpiR_idk
22:05.56_KaszpiR_maybe libopencl-dev ?
22:06.00_KaszpiR_(wild guess)
22:06.52_KaszpiR_ah, just openvl-dev
22:06.57_KaszpiR_ah, just opencl-dev
22:08.51buu_KaszpiR_: nope, no change
22:08.56buu-dev contains header files
22:08.59buunot the libraries
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22:09.23buu_KaszpiR_: -l means to 'link' against a shared object file known as a .so file
22:09.39buu_KaszpiR_: This means it loads a precompiled binary file containing library functions
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22:14.10_KaszpiR_I think you still need opencl-headers though
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22:14.47symtexis there a way to disable avahi-daemon on an interface? or only bind it to a specific interface?
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22:32.00TomG2there lmust be, symtex
22:32.22TomG2sorry, i don't really know how.  some daemons have it in the man page, or maybe you can run it out of xinetd
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22:47.38symtexTomG2: thanks
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23:13.38Hyp3ri0nhow do i view the version of a package
23:14.02Hyp3ri0ni know it was cat /something/something | grep package-name
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23:14.21Hyp3ri0nbut i forgot the directory
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23:15.39LtLHyp3ri0n: apt-cache policy <packetname> will tell you
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23:17.02LtLHyp3ri0n: dpkg -l packagename also i think
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