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01:52.05kingsleyWhy would the commands "pavucontrol" and "aplay -L" stop seeing my audio card, even though the commands "lshw" and "lspci" still see it?
01:53.32kingsleyCould upgrading the "udev" package from version 231-9 to 232-25 have broken them?
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01:59.58TomG2possibly
02:00.01TomG2yeah
02:00.33TomG2kingsley, i don't know what to say, i get lost in pulseaudio or udev things
02:02.18kingsleyI now see that my sound card is missing from the output of ... "cat /proc/asound/cards"
02:02.35TomG2so, driver not loaded?
02:03.06pachahow do I change the vendor information of a Debian system?
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02:04.02pachaI want to change the output of lshw: description: Desktop Computer product: System Product Name (To be filled by O.E.M.) vendor: System manufacturer version: System Version serial: System Serial Number
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02:05.08kingsleyTomG2: To communicate clearly, did you ask if my sound card's driver is not loaded?
02:05.44TomG2kingsley, yes.  that's my first guess
02:05.58TomG2possibly due to udev doing something else
02:07.24kingsleyTomG2: OK, I think I understand your question, and it seems reasonable to me.
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02:08.46TomG2hi
02:09.11kingsleyTomG2: Maybe I'm wrong, but the first thing that comes to my mind when I see the word "driver" is a kernel module. In this case, the "lsmod" command reveals a module with a name like the sound card.
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02:12.25TomG2kingsley, does it start with snd-? can you paste just the single line that you're talking about?
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02:12.59TomG2i'm not even sure what's supposed to load sound drivers on a udev+alsa+pulse system
02:13.08TomG2i'd still be using /etc/modules...
02:13.17uxfiHeya TomG2
02:13.18uxfiHow are ya
02:13.22TomG2hello!
02:13.39TomG2fine.  just trying to somewhat help out with Debian
02:14.14kingsleyTomG2: Close. Instead of starting with "snd-", the "lsmod" command says the kernel module's name starts with "snd_"
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02:17.18TomG2kingsley, it sounds like it's loaded then
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02:17.37TomG2dpkg, dmesg?
02:17.37dpkgdmesg is used to examine or control the kernel ring buffer.  /var/log/dmesg gives you the whole thing from boot time, the `dmesg' command shows you current ring buffer contents.
02:18.02TomG2can you grep dmesg for your soundcard name? (case insensitively)
02:18.17TomG2it sounds like a udev small problem
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02:39.44hanshenrikthe 194.71.11.165 server (apparently the favourite redirect of ftp.no.debian.org ) is down
02:40.23hanshenriki have to restart apt like 15 times before it'd redirect me to another server
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03:18.33ryzokukenhey all!
03:18.48ryzokukenwhat's the best (preferred) method of installed a DE?
03:18.54ryzokukenusing apt or running tasksel?
03:20.08hanshenriktasksel
03:20.19hanshenrikif you use apt, it will probably miss some dependencies
03:20.38hanshenriklike installing lxde and lxterminal from apt may not install policykit1
03:20.53hanshenrikbut they will complain about a missing policykit1 when starting the terminal
03:20.59hanshenrikand you'll have to apt install policykit1
03:21.05hanshenrikor something like that
03:21.21hanshenriki dont remember in detail what happened, but something like that happened
03:21.43hanshenrikhonestly, i dont even remember if it was LXDE or XFCE because i tested them both, but it was definitely 1 of those 2
03:22.29hanshenrikryzokuken, that said, tasksel install a bunch of bloat you never asked for
03:22.31hanshenriklike libreoffice
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03:22.57hanshenrik(if i want libreoffice, i will install libreoffice. but bundling libreoffice by default? that's bloaty imo)
03:23.25ryzokukenhanshenrik, so, which one would you suggest?
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03:24.15hanshenrikmeh, if you want to be safe, tasksel. if you're comfortable fixing a paritally broken installation (like having to apt install policykit1 afterwards), you'll save space by using apt. up to you
03:24.43otaviojrhelp
03:24.44ryoumashouldn't apt take care of dependencies?  O.o
03:24.56ryzokukenI thought it did.
03:25.13ryzokukenif apt gets rid of the bloat, I will definitely prefer apt
03:25.31ryzokukenI mean, I used tasksel to install GNOME when I installed, and I have games on my system ffs.
03:25.45ryzokukengames like minesweeper
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03:27.17hanshenrikryzokuken, some of it. not all of it. (if you want to get rid of all the bloat, you'll have to do something like apt install --no-install-recommends lxde-core lxde-common; apt install lxdm xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-video-{YOUR-VIDEOCARD-PROVIDER-HERE (nvidia,intel,vmware,amd,dummy,etc)}} lxterminal policykit-1;
03:27.17hanshenrik)
03:27.26ryoumai prefer installing the minimum, because the installation environment is not a complete os.  the goal is to get a complete os asap.
03:29.01hanshenrik(that's how i install desktops on servers where the desktop is just needed to run a few programs that REQUIRES a desktop, but otherwise the desktop is just a bloat. like libreoffice configuration for libreoffice cli, or VMWare Player because i'm so poor that i can't affoard VMWare Workstation Pro, the CLI version, etc)
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03:29.52at0mor, using aptitude, you can hand-pick suggests and recommends easily
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03:30.05hanshenrik(i use libreoffice to convert some Excel documents to html via cli on a production server blabla)
03:30.39hanshenrik(the libreoffice cli is severely lacking in error reporting on why stuff doesn't work. the libreoffice GUI is not.)
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04:14.45xerxThere is no system but GNU and Linux is one of it's kernels.
04:15.04xerxI am attempting to find a package that comes with Debian, to install the BASIC programming language
04:15.58xerxI read the debians packaging url, which mentioned the following packages : libfreebasic, YaBASIC, and mentioned that 'freebasic' was not yet packaged (but did mention the url)
04:16.19xerxDoes anyone know of a package that includes the basic programming language interpreter?
04:17.17xerxI did 'apt-cache search <package_name_here>' for the packages mentioned on the debian url, however, no results were given.
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05:39.27daffy__just a thought.. "adduser testuser sudo" shouldn't let user use sudo, since he is in sudo group?
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05:55.25pachadaffy__: depends on your sudoers file, you should have this: %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
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06:01.21daffy__pacha: I am, is a reboot needed?
06:02.17pachadaffy__: no, but you should probably restart your terminal. also double check with `sudo visudo` just to be sure
06:02.54pachaand that command should be run with sudo as well, `sudo adduser testuser sudo`
06:03.26daffy__ok
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06:44.25dob1hi, I would like to create a service for systemd to load/unload my iptables rules, what I don't know is what to put on Type of the service file,
06:46.38dob1simple/oneshot=
06:46.39dob1?
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06:52.59dob1other than this page https://wiki.debian.org/systemd  i don't find any doc on debian site to write a service (there are for other distributions)
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07:12.26at0mdob1: #systemd probably
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07:52.29Shentherhi
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07:53.23dob1Shenther, do you have security updates in your source.list ?
07:53.57Shentherno idea. I know I should have updates though as I have plex installed and it has been requesting an update for the last 2 weeks
07:54.03Shentherdebain dietpi btw
07:54.25dob1you have to check /etc/apt/source.list
07:54.50Shenthercheckin gnow
07:54.53Shentherchecking now*
07:55.33Shenthersecurity.debian.org is in the list
07:55.44dob1which release ?
07:56.13Shentherno clue. how do I check?
07:56.36dob1lsb_release -a
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07:57.18Shentherthat command didnt work
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07:57.34dob1what you mean?
07:58.09dob1sudo apt-get install lsb-release
07:58.14Shenther"cat /etc/debian_version
07:58.14Shenther" command tells me 8.8
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07:58.55Shentherinstalling now
07:58.56dob1deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free      you have something like this in source.list ?
07:59.15Shentheryes
07:59.30dob1I don't know
07:59.47Shenther8.8 jessie
07:59.47dob1if you try to install a package that it works?
08:00.40Shentherinstalling packages works fine. it just never seems to have any upgrades available. however it says libgdiplus has been kept back and will not let me install
08:01.02dob1apt-get update   && apt-get dist-upgrade
08:01.08Shenthertried it
08:01.08dob1gives nothing?
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08:01.53fitemil_hello. I just upgraded from jessie to stretch, and a few things are still broken
08:01.55Shenthernope. dist-upgrade doesnt say anything has been kept back and nothing available
08:02.09fitemil_the #1 worst one is that fonts in dialogs are showing as boxes (missing unicode style)
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08:02.10dob1Shenther, sorry I don't know how to help you
08:02.31fitemil_fonts in chrome and rxvt render fine, and in e.g. audacious the playing song looks fine but the playlist does not
08:02.38fitemil_I suspect that a specific, important font is missing
08:02.44Shentherthats ok
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08:03.08_AleX_hi all ! I need control the size and position of a software that dont support -geometry option. Do you now a solution ?
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08:03.10fitemilhow can I troubleshoot this closer? I've tried appres and xrdb to find the resource
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09:31.09fredlHi guys, I'm trying to help somebody get their Debian desktop Vietnamized
09:31.47fredlthere's a task-vietnamese-desktop package
09:32.04fredlShould I install that somehow with tasksel or just regular way with apt-get?
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09:33.21babilenfredl: Both are fine -- Tasksel essentially "hides" the fact that it is a package after all. It pulls in libreoffice-l10n-vi, firefox-esr-l10n-vi | firefox-l10n-vi, hunspell-vi so you can also pick what you need from that list
09:33.41fredlah okay, thanks babilen
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09:34.17fredlSo when she installs that, will she still have possibility to switch back and forth from Vietnamese <-> English?
09:34.28babilenfredl: I would also recommend to look into ibus and the Vietnamese input methods
09:34.49fredlyeah I found ibus as well and looking into how to use that
09:35.14babilenThat task and the package list seems to focus on getting you a localised libreoffice and firefox. I would reckon that your friend is more interested in a working input method and fonts
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09:35.34babilenWhich desktop environment is she using?
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09:35.48fredlgnome 3, standard Debian Jessie
09:35.57fredlwell, 'standard'... :)
09:35.58strkdid squeeze just reach EOL ?
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09:36.43babilendpkg: squeeze
09:36.43dpkgDebian 6.0 "Squeeze" was released on 2011-02-06 and is the oldoldstable release: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a .  Security support for Squeeze ended on 2014-05-31, but ask me about <squeeze-lts>.  Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien.  See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze ; ask me about <install squeeze> <squeeze release notes> <lenny->squeeze>.  Currently <6.0.10>.  Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.
09:36.46babilenstrk: ^
09:37.11babilenLTS support ended on 2016-02-29
09:37.14frostschutzjust a year or so ago, it's still fresh
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09:39.06strkuhm, but it's just recently (1 week?) that I'm getting http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/main/source/Sources.gz 404
09:39.11strkcan it be ?
09:39.50babilenfredl: Okay, so look into ibus-table-viqr and ibus-unikey for ibus. These are the two input methods that come up when you run "apt-cache search ibus vietnam". I'm not familiar with vietnamese, but would expect one or both to full this niche.
09:40.38babilenfredl: I would recommend to start by installing the "ibus" and "ibus-gtk" package and then reading /usr/share/doc/ibus/README.Debian.gz -- There's a lot of information in there
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09:41.17fredlokay, I installed that already, will check
09:41.40babilenfredl: Then pull in either ibus-unikey or ibus-viqr (not sure which is better) and relogin.
09:41.44simpledatwhats the path for torbrowser in linux?
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09:42.37babilenfredl: I primarily use ibus for Japanese and Chinese within i3, but it should work even more seamlessly in Gnome3. I just haven't used that in quite a while and am not 100% sure what it entails. It might just work out of the box.
09:42.40strkdpkg: lenny
09:42.41dpkgLenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009.  Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported.  Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>.  Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>.  For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>.  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny  http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209
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09:42.48frostschutzstrk, it's possible... they don't keep the old stuff around forever, see http://security.debian.org/dists/
09:42.59babilenstrk: You can /msg the bot directly to ask questions "/msg dpkg lenny"
09:43.28fredlbabilen - looks like im-config may also be relevant. For me this multilingual stuff is entirely new so I'll need some reading
09:43.31babilensimpledat: Debian ships a launcher that'll download torbrowser and put it in ~/.cache IIRC
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09:44.07babilenfredl: I think that im-config is run when the package is installed, but if it isn't working out of the box you might have to run "im-config -n ibus"
09:44.41simpledatbabilen: there is no file or directory such as .cache
09:46.06babilensimpledat: Look into $XDG_CACHE_HOME
09:46.24fredl@babilen: I just installed ibus-unikey and task-vietnamese-desktop. im-config did not automatically run but with that im-config -n ibus it's now added as input method
09:46.43babilensimpledat: It might also be placed in $XDG_DATA_HOME -- I'm not 100% sure
09:47.03babilenfredl: Great
09:47.10simpledatbabilen: Nothing there
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09:47.23babilensimpledat: Did you run the launcher already?
09:48.02simpledatbabilen: Yes
09:48.05babilenfredl: you can switch input methods with ctrl-space by default, but this can be configured in the ibus settings
09:48.46fredlyeah think I need to restart X first for that
09:49.55fredlim-config is user specific right?
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09:51.21babilensimpledat: You should have ~/.config/torbrowser ~/.cache/torbrowser and ~/.local/share/torbrowser
09:51.26babilenfredl: It is, yeah
09:52.34fredlalrite, bbl thanks for your help thus far babilen but need to restart X now :)
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09:55.45simpledatbabilen: Ok thank you
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10:05.30babilenfredl: Did that work?
10:06.17fredlwell I can't switch input method with control-space
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10:25.02fredlstill looking into this :)
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10:50.09Azrael_-hi
10:50.14Azrael_-i want to access a disk attached using a sata2usb-adapter. how can i do this?
10:52.06p0g0Azrael_-: when you appy power to the drive and attach the USB lead, you should see a report in dmesg  and be able to then mount the drive.
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10:52.51SwedeMikeAzrael_-: as p0g0 said, after connecting it, the device name should be visible using dmesg" or some other tool like "lsblk" and then you can mount it like any other drive.
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10:53.29Azrael_-p0g0 / sweatsuit: thanks, will try it. feared i had to use a special driver for this
10:54.42p0g0Azrael_-: if you have an exotic filesystem, you might need some more tools, jfs for example, might take adding tools.
10:54.56p0g0depending on what is already onboard...
10:55.17Azrael_-the fs is not my fear. it is a dying disk which fails to be found by the bios. need to do some data rescue
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10:55.47Azrael_-if i attach it using sata, the machine doesn't start up at all
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10:56.22p0g0well, that's still going to fail with the USB, most likely.
10:56.43p0g0But I can see the notion that yuo might get the machine up to effect some resuce.
10:56.46Azrael_-currently i can see the disk using windows but the tools there miserably fail me
10:56.53p0g0*you... rescue
10:57.12Azrael_-i just need to be able to get a full backup with dd_rescue once, then i'm happy
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10:58.58p0g0I wouldn't bet the farm on it.  Is it a mechanical failure, or maybe an electronic?  You might be able to swap in another board from an identical drive.
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10:59.51p0g0Azrael_-: this is where you get a horse out of the barn remark about making backups...
11:00.46Azrael_-i know
11:00.59Azrael_-it isn't my machine, but a remote one of a friend.
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11:01.25Azrael_-but i admit i also don't really do regularly backups. not enough space
11:02.12p0g0I personally cannot imagine using a computer without a backup regime, but I have been at this since the 1970s...
11:02.22Azrael_-great
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11:11.20Kaylashi, anyone have problem to show lightning on thunderbird?
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11:48.44apfelhi there, is there a debian installation image which comes with virtio drivers by default? I want to run debian as a virtual machine with only virtio.
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11:50.18hanshenrikapfel, not that i know of, but i imagine it'd be easy to write a preseed version of the netinst that installs virtio by default
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11:58.00towo`virtio is in kernel
11:58.36towo`so there is no problem installing debian in a vm which provides virtio-devices
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11:59.37apfelwell, i tried it, with the netinstall image and it did not detect my virtio cdrom and virtio disk, i googled a little bit and then found out that virtio is not part of the image but the kernel module can be installed as a package
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12:00.04apfelbut i will now try this one https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
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12:00.21apfelwhich acording to the contents file includes the virtio package
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12:03.25rocketmagnethi all, i've troubles with my laptop wlan ... iwconfig gives me normal output but i dont' see any wireless networks :( (realtek rtl8191 se and the laptop model is an terra mobile 1509p)
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12:05.43nkuttler!rtl8191se
12:05.43dpkgThe Realtek RTL8191SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172) and RTL8192SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8173, 10ec:8174, some 10ec:8192) are PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets.  mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192se) is in mainline since Linux 3.0.  Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware>.  http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
12:06.03nkuttler!tell rocketmagnet about realtek firmware
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12:08.30rocketmagnetnkuttler: i did this but the problem is i first installed another kernel module for a wrong chipset without deinstalling it and now it doesn't work maybe becaue of this
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12:10.28rocketmagnetnkuttler: how do uninstall this other module ??
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12:12.03karvasHello, my Intel Corporation Wireless 8260 is not working on debian jessie, even though I installed 'firmware-iwlwifi' from non-free and this package supports this hardware
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12:12.21karvasShould I upgrade to testing maybe?
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12:19.02DarkZerodid the free driver not work first?
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12:21.04DarkZerosometimes the non free drivers from the manufacturers are not coded correctly for linux
12:21.46karvasDarkZero: no the card did not work before
12:21.54DarkZerodo you know exactly what is causing the device to not be recognized
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12:22.34karvasno, how can I find out? I tried to look into  syslog and dmesg
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12:25.53rocketmagnetnkuttler: how do uninstall this other module ??
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12:36.09et_alcan anyone tell me a command (iptables?) to block all traffic to one port, except to from two IPs
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12:37.40rudi_set_al: Important read: https://thermicorp.de/netfilter/index.html - the relevant commands should be -A INPUT -s first-ip -j ACCEPT ; -A INPUT -s second-ip -j ACCEPT; -A INPUT -p tcp --dport port -j REJECT (if it's tcp, otherwise use udp).
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12:40.41et_althanks rudi_s, appreciate it
12:41.35rudi_snp
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12:57.28AzimothI happen to run into a dependency conflict when installing homegear on my Stretch installation. Homegear wants "libcurl4-gnutls-dev", installed is "libcurl4-openssl-dev". Can I simply swap one for the other or is the dissimilarity between the two too big to act as a drop in replacement? How could I find out how my system would affected by this?
12:58.07jellyAzimoth: why does an app want a -dev package?  Why do you have it installed in the first place?
12:59.09Azimothjelly: Let me have a look at what apt says...
12:59.36jellyAzimoth: -dev packages are only relevant when compiling and and not during normal use, so you might as well remove it
13:00.49Azimothjelly: Then let me see what I did compile on this machine... and if it remains relevant...
13:02.04jellythe real question is why this "homegear" thing wants a -dev package as a dependency in the first place
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13:05.20Azimothjelly: well... homegear is supposed to act as an "virtual Homematic control centre"... I don't know what that actually requires tbh
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13:06.37Azimothjelly: Are you somewhat familiar with home automation? I'm new to this field, so my explanations are probably a little weak to say the least...
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13:07.00jellysorry
13:09.00Azimothjelly: I had to install -dev packages quite often as dependencies, admittedly for R dependencies and stuff like that... should I question the installation of -dev packages in general as long as it's not linked to some programming from my side?
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13:10.20jellyyes, mostly
13:10.41Azimothany famous exceptions?
13:10.46jellymanpages-dev
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13:12.26AzimothAlright so, chances are, as long as I don't compile anything I should not break anything by removing libcurl4-openssl-dev and then think about whether I install libcurl4-gnutls-dev?
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13:16.46Azimothjelly: Thanks for your help. ;)
13:18.28jellyyeah, pretty much
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13:36.59nix64bitI treid to run dmesg as user and got this dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted
13:37.19nix64bitafter upgrading to stretch
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13:42.09et_alwhy does sudo cd not work?
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13:47.14BluesKajHowdy folks
13:47.57jellyet_al, "cd" command is internal to shell. sudo creates a new shell, runs a command, and exits
13:48.27jelly!wayttd et_al
13:48.27dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, et_al?
13:48.55et_alI was just curious
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13:51.46JPTIt may make more sense if you check out the cwd-symlink (current working directory) your shell process in /proc/<pid here>/
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14:12.57ert67Hello
14:13.05ert67with https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnectionsProxyArp
14:13.41ert67is it possible to asign wlan0 to static and use resolvconf to set DNS Name server, or is there another way to config dns name server?
14:13.45ert67besides on client
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14:17.40jordilaumh... backports newbie, here
14:18.58jordilaaccording to doc.  ... just  'apt-get -t jessie-backports install "package"' after adding backports repository to sources.list would do the job ? so simple ?
14:19.10jordilaloves #debian
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14:20.36prussianyes
14:20.43prussianpretty much.
14:21.07prussianyou might have to apt update
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14:21.20prussianprobably should apt upgrade as well
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14:21.38jimert67, hi, and yes, it should be possible to assign a static address to wlan0, either in network-manager/wicd or similar, or /etc/network/interfaces... resolvconf, that package adds dns-* syntax to the interfaces file, so if you want to use that, I think you'd have to use interfaces
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14:23.06frankie__a general question on email here..does email account(mailbox) corresponds to the user account? Do i need to create a new user account for a new email user if I were to setup a local network mail server?
14:23.20jimthe 18th happens to be the summer solstice... does that have anything to do with why they picked that date to release stretch?
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14:39.48Mazhivehello guys can some one help me with een
14:40.07Mazhivea problem with a chrooted sftp
14:40.28Mazhivei have used this tutorial http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/03/chroot-sftp-Setup/
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14:40.57Mazhivebut the problem is i also use normal sftp on my own
14:40.59Mazhiveuser
14:42.49Mazhiveit seems it uses the public key to check a chrooted users too which i use for my own user -- Permission denied (publickey).
14:42.49MazhiveCouldn't read packet: Connection reset by peer
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14:55.27ctOSHi. Who do I contact regarding a bug with the http://network-test.debian.org/nm service?
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14:57.50jordilajim ... i love your approach, solstice, yay
14:58.14jordilaprussian++
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14:58.26prussian???
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15:02.50Mazhivehow can i sftp ignoring the key
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15:23.33swampratI installed jessie onto a dell laptop it can't find the wireless card http://codepad.org/5LlfJIPm
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15:24.05Mathisenswamprat, lspci
15:24.05swampratin the bios it says Wireless device = Intel wireless.
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15:24.44swampratMathisen: http://codepad.org/b7JOJBb9
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15:25.11swampratI guess it's the network controller?
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15:25.37mtnswamprat: have you tried using a newer kernel? you can get one from backports
15:25.57zykotic10swamprat: note, intel uses non-free wireless drivers/firmware :(  so you might want to check "dmesg" for any messages about missing firmware...
15:26.29Mathisenim also guessing on kernel version
15:26.35Mathisenif not non-free helps
15:26.59swampratokay. so go to the newer kernel and take it from there?
15:27.29Mathisenswamprat, listen to zykotic10 fiest
15:27.34Mathisenfirst*
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15:29.18swampratLooks like it lists a lot. What should I be looking for?
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15:32.10zykotic10swamprat: have you consulted https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi ?
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15:33.22swampratcool thanks
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16:33.44jak2000how to fix: sudo: unable to open /var/lib/sudo/ts/jak: Read-only file system
16:33.44jak2000cp: cannot create regular file ‘/opt/glassfish4/glassfish/domains/swItsol/autodeploy/jinvmanz.war’: Read-only file system
16:34.11jak2000how to force to startup the system and fix the errors?
16:34.22g0zzyYou need to find out why it's RO
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16:35.02jak2000g0zzy :(
16:35.11jak2000any sudo command
16:35.18jak2000ask and ask the password
16:35.20jak2000why?
16:35.46jak2000su -   never ask the password :(
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16:36.27g0zzyIt can be configured to not ask for the pw
16:37.26g0zzyBut you need to fix that system first
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17:12.15danielh1234Hi. Which nsswitch module answers 'gateway'?
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17:15.28teraflopsdanielh1234: what's your _real_ issue?
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17:17.58danielh1234teraflops: I am considering specifying 'gateway' as the apt repository / other infrastructure stuff and want to make sure that is does not only work because of some strange quirk on my system.
17:18.50teraflopsdanielh1234: you mean https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/nss-myhostname.html ?
17:20.29danielh1234Yes exactly, it seems my search expressions were not good enough. Thanks!
17:20.35teraflopsnp
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17:23.40dob1the packages installed from backports are the ones that will go in stretch?
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17:28.12danielh1234dob1: backports is for making newer packages available on top of stable. stretch as the currently frozen testing is independent of that I believe. There will be stretch-backports though once it's stable.
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17:35.55BluesKajthe line stretch-backports deblins can be added to the sources.list, but as danielh1234 says the repos seem frozen atm
17:36.21BluesKajdebline rather
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17:38.44dob1I was asking because there was a package on backports, imho, with a bug, but i saw it was a different version from the one in stretch
17:42.35BluesKajdob1, well, don't mixand match debian OS version sources
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17:54.13Guest78493Could anyone help for troubleshooting hangs/reboot of my server?
17:55.53Guest78493Also need to know if there is a good tool to graph outputs of sar, iostat, vmstat, etc. ?
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18:42.16danielh1234g0zzy: for the system instance and roots user instance root by default, but may be changed. For other users instances always that user. https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.exec.html#User=
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19:17.35winsxHi. Is there a command line program that is able to play mp3 files?
19:18.20jellywinsx, there's dozens, mpv can do audio files and video
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19:18.39winsxI was using omxplayer in a raspberry pi, to play mp3 files remotely
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19:18.55winsxbut it doesnt work if you want to output the sound through a usb soundcard
19:19.07winsxand aplay only accepts .wav files
19:19.27jellyso you just need to configure it properly to use the right card
19:19.48jellyif you're using raspbian instead of debian, ask in #raspbian channel
19:20.17winsxoh, ok
19:20.21winsxi'll check mpv in any case
19:20.41jellytravels back in time to when mpg123 was basically the _only_ free player
19:22.50BluesKajomxplayer should work on it's own with the builtin soundcard
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19:23.21BluesKajdon't understand the need for a usb snd
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19:24.05winsxBluesKaj: the builtin works, but it's noisy at low volumes
19:24.27winsxwith a cheap usb soundcard, the sound is perfect at any volume :)
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19:26.30BluesKajwinsx, noise floor usually drops withe volume, do you have a mic input cranked up
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19:30.00winsxNo, just a 3.5mm jack connected to two computer speakers. If you turn up the volume and nothing is playing (or a song is quiet), you can clearly hear a background noise
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19:30.29jellynot that it's debian relevant, but a cheap usb sound card gives vastly better s/n compared to any onboard chip
19:34.17BluesKajheh, I used Kodi for some media files on my rpi3 with raspbian pixel and I didn't notice any noise whatsoever
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19:34.56giuda!list
19:35.20BluesKaj!it | giuda
19:35.33BluesKajoops no bot info there
19:36.15teraflopsthey were not looking for debian support anyway
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19:38.18winsxwell, raspbian is based on debian, no?
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19:38.29BluesKajyes
19:38.46teraflopswinsx: please dont start this discussion again
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19:39.16winsxI didn't know that had already been discussed
19:39.26teraflopsdejavu⁹
19:39.44BluesKajteraflops, yeah some Italian music magazine said freenode irc was full of p2p file sharing chatrooms
19:39.54teraflopsBluesKaj: indeed
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19:40.22teraflopsBluesKaj: the bot already has an automated reply for !list in Italian ;P
19:40.45BluesKajteraflops, heh, good to know :-)
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19:42.01zoomm10hello, windows 7 error: a disk read error occurred, any idea?
19:42.32teraflopsnope
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19:44.11BluesKajzoomm10, ask in #windows
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19:45.27zoomm10BlueesKaj: the problem is because i run the command : sudo install-grub /dev/sda
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19:46.32BluesKajzoomm10, uefi or bios?
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19:47.12zoomm10bluesKaj: uefi
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19:48.28BluesKajwell, that leaves me out ...dunno much about installing grub the mbr on uefi , the uefi/boot partition I think
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19:51.04JustSomebodyi have a problem with changing docker root directory
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19:52.23JustSomebodyok first i need to fix the docker installation
19:55.19JustSomebodyfunny nick changes KindOne
19:56.29KindOneJustSomebody, this is my REAL nick. Had fun confusing people with a nick switch with someone else. Now for extra confusion.
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19:56.58JustSomebodybut whois ...
19:57.12KindOnenobody everyone does it, makes it 10x more funny.
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19:57.24JustSomebodyyeah :D
19:57.46KindOneits bad it took 4+ weeks for some people to notice.
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19:58.16JustSomebodythey didnt payed attention
19:58.34missmbobno one cares. stay on /topic
19:58.39jellyit's just annoying
19:58.43JustSomebodyman i think i screwed up my docker installation :(
19:58.54JustSomebodycan somebody helping me to fix this?
19:58.57KindOnemissmbob, yes mother /end.
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20:02.16jellyJustSomebody, possibly someone in #docker might
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20:02.35JustSomebodythey said go to the distri
20:02.40jellyhah
20:03.56jellyso you got to the distro, maybe try providing the same info that got you that conclusion?
20:04.03jelly!ask
20:04.08jellyer.
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20:04.38jelly"If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>."
20:06.27JustSomebodyi have a problem with E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) docker installation
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20:07.48lucckyhello
20:07.59jellyJustSomebody, that's the last line of output of a command.  Can you also provide the part with "I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ "
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20:08.36jellyJustSomebody, pastebin the whole command and whole output, on eg. https://paste.debian.net
20:08.47jellyJustSomebody, which debian release is this?
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20:09.15lucckydoes anyone know how to install wps office into lubuntu system, i get error message that libpng1200 isn't installed but in the synaptic package manager i haven't found this version of libpng, there is just 1600
20:09.29JustSomebodyits 8.8 with 4.7 kernel
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20:10.32JustSomebodyhttps://paste.debian.net/hidden/f5bde604/ @jelly
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20:11.29jellyJustSomebody, which repo are you getting docker-engine package from?
20:11.44JustSomebodyhow can i check this?
20:11.58jellyapt-cache policy docker-engine
20:12.09jellyor better, LC_ALL=C apt-cache policy docker-engine
20:12.26jellyI don't really German a lot
20:12.28JustSomebodyhttps://apt.dockerproject.org/repo/ debian-jessie/main amd64 Packages
20:13.33jellyso it's a binary package coming from dockerproject.org.  Did you take a look at why the service start failed, like the installation attempt said?
20:13.42jelly'systemctl status docker.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details
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20:15.34jellyJustSomebody, since the package and service definition doesn't come from debian, but from docker people, I'm not sure why they think debian people might help fixing it
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20:16.25JustSomebodyyeah
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20:18.21JustSomebodyhttps://paste.debian.net/hidden/9c78a775/ guess its a problem with docker
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20:23.44Atm0spher1cluccky, wtf are you doing? just install libreoffice
20:23.53Atm0spher1cluccky, ask #ubuntu
20:24.32danielh1234JustSomebody: I only see the 'restarting too quickly, refusing' part, maybe get the full log with `journalctl -n all -u docker`.
20:26.54JustSomebodyjournalctl -n all -u docker Failed to add match 'all':  << all doesnt work
20:27.30lucckyi have libreoffice too but how shall i deal with ppt files with it
20:27.47lucckyit has just writer which is for docx files mostly
20:27.55danielh1234try replacing all with 2000 or some other large number. It is the line count to output.
20:28.30jmcnaughtluccky: libreoffice impress can open powerpoint files, but if you are using lubuntu and not debian then you should go to the proper channel
20:29.17JustSomebodydanielh1234:  unable to configure the Docker daemon with file /etc/docker/daemon.json: json: cannot unmarshal string into Go value of type map[string]interface {} <<< found it
20:29.33lucckyok, sorry, i don't know what i am using for sure though
20:29.51lucckyit says ubuntu in the info in some of the tools i found
20:30.02lucckyit's my second day with the stuff
20:30.13jellyluccky, "lsb_release -a" may help figuring out which distro it is
20:31.36lucckyit says ubuntu 17.04
20:31.42lucckyso where do i go, which channel?
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20:32.03jellyeach distro has its own playground sandbox to provide volunteer help with and their own color for toys.  If you got toys of different color, we won't like your toys and will tell you go to go the orange part of the playground
20:32.14missmbobluccky: #ubuntu
20:32.24lucckyok boss
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20:35.41lesikhey, I was looking through my apt history.log and I found weird entries that contain neither a Commandline param nor Install/Upgrade/etc. Start-time and End-time are the same. what was apt doing there?
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20:36.04lesikexample: `Start-Date: 2016-12-27  17:17:45 \n End-Date: 2016-12-27  17:17:45`
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20:36.42jellyapt-get update?
20:36.52lesik...
20:36.53lesikmakes sense
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20:37.10lesikbut why is the duration <1 sec?
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20:37.30jellysomehow apt works blazingly fast, but only on your system
20:37.37lesik;)
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20:52.48prussiano
20:52.54prussianapt is pretty fast
20:53.00prussianI think it's a modern client as well
20:53.10prussianfrontend
20:53.29prussianit's got the cool curses/readline stuff too
20:55.42lavendershi
20:56.04lavendersDo you know of a solid rss reader with email notification?
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20:57.46jellyapt is pretty horribly serialized and slow
20:58.13jellywith any of the frontends.
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20:59.31awal1lavenders, aptitude search rss
20:59.32spongeHello
20:59.52jandruskSince 6/3/17, unattended-upgrades won't execute on Debian Testing. Anyone else run into this issue? I re-installed and validated the config files.
21:00.09spongeAnyone here uses RSI break?
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21:01.29jellyjandrusk, is that June 3rd or March 6th
21:02.22JustSomebodyhey jelly my friend i figured out the error with danielh1234 help :D now i have a problem with a syntax error i think maybe u can help me with this.
21:02.24jandruskJune 3rd and updates have been available since then; if I run apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade it works
21:02.46spongejelly: Hmmm unfortunately I used to use workrave, but now that I'm on plasma-kde I can't. It doesn't function correctly. I'm trying to find a way to change the settings of RSI break, so that 'not moving the mouse for 1 second' wouldn't count as a break. I think in workrave I had the option to set it.
21:02.53jelly!debian-next
21:03.00jellyerm.
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21:03.20jelly> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
21:03.27jellyjandrusk, ^^ ask there as well
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21:04.00jellyI hope you're targeting "stretch" and not "testing", or you're going to be in for a wild ride after stretch is released
21:04.07jandruskthanks, jelly. will do.
21:05.17jandrusklol, yes I have "stretch' targeted.
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21:06.39lavendersawal1: what do you mean , what programm supports rss feed email notifications?
21:07.14lavendersapt-get rss, then tab shows options, one could be the right one rss2email ?
21:07.49JustSomebodyhttps://paste.debian.net/hidden/2680aeab/ storage driver in deamon.json creating strange folders syntax error?
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21:08.11awal1lavenders, aptitude will list for you available rss clients
21:08.21lavendershow to
21:08.23awal1<i don't use any, so no clue
21:08.46awal1check pkgs descriptions
21:08.51lavendershow to generate the list
21:08.56lavendersnot how to use it
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21:09.45awal1aptitude search rss
21:10.02awal1or  apt-cache --names-only search rss
21:10.03danielh1234JustSomebody: it is exactly what you configured: Now Docker saves its images, containers, volumes etc. to the directory ' -s overlay2' which lies under '/media/Docker/docker/'.
21:11.48JustSomebodyhuh? i wanted to pointing it to /media/Docker/docker and not to -s overlay2 ... i only added this because it didnt worked w/o danielh1234
21:11.56lavendersok thx will check
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21:15.00JustSomebodydocker got his containers stuff usually in /var/lib/docker and not /media/Docker/docker so im confused
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21:17.19JustSomebodyDanielss89: so the correct syntax would be "data-root": "/var/lib/docker /media/Docker/docker/"?
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21:20.18Danielss89danielh1234 ^^
21:22.08danielh1234JustSomebody: the error says 'I found leftover stuff from multiple graphdrivers, you can either clean up a bit or tell me which one to use'. Now look where you wrote that option in the JSON, it is still in the path string. See https://docs.docker.com/engine/reference/commandline/dockerd/#linux-configuration-file for an example JSON.
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21:24.42JustSomebodybut its outdated since i need to use "data-root" and no longer "graph" and there is no example how to add storage driver in this json file
21:25.27JustSomebodythe funny thing is, i only do extend the path and it works?
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21:28.04danielh1234yes, in this case it does. But not because it uses the driver you tried to specify, but rather because there is no leftover stuff in the horrible directory that has spaces in its name.
21:29.07danielh1234you satisfied the first solution the error message provided: clean up (even if you did it by just telling docker to look elsewhere)
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21:35.03JustSomebodyok i need to delete the folder and then it gonna work?
21:35.09JustSomebodysorry if im kinda dumb
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21:36.29danielh1234That should work, it should also suffice to delete the directories from the driver you don't want to use. That way you can keep some images and containers.
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21:39.38JustSomebodyhow can i enter / -s overlay2/ directory?
21:41.47danielh1234The link I provided, referenced section linux configuration file: `...  "storage-driver": "",  ...` Have you tried putting that in the json?
21:42.30danielh1234(with overlay2 of course)
21:42.38JustSomebodyi will now
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21:46.18JustSomebodyhttps://paste.debian.net/hidden/4070d457/ danielh1234  this happens now
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21:47.24danielh1234_you still have { and } in the json file right?
21:47.32JustSomebodyyes
21:47.43JustSomebodydunno where he found this char
21:48.18JustSomebodyremoved empty spaces but this wasnt the error
21:48.40danielh1234_can you attach the json file itself to a paste?
21:49.17JustSomebodythe empty spaces was the error my bad
21:49.55danielh1234_ok
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21:52.02Qimplehmmm webchat crashed
21:52.09Qimplehttps://paste.debian.net/hidden/9cd2f5a7/ this is the new error
21:53.15zululeeI'm having major problems with SteamOS (yes, why am I even running SteamOS) on a box with an AMD GPU. HDMI audio is not working every other reboot. All other devices are disabled. Alsa says its there. Pulse Audio manager sees it. Any ideas?
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21:54.30missmbob!steamos
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21:55.01missmbobpoor dpkg died i guess
21:55.23missmbobzululee: anyway, steamos isnt supported here. try their channel/forum
21:55.48zululeemissmbob: got it, its just that being based on Debian Jessie I thought there might some cross over.
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21:57.28Qimplehow can i enter a folder like this / -s something/ tried ls / -s something/ but wont work
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22:03.45dvsQimple, put double quotes around it.
22:04.00Qimplethx
22:06.42Qimpledocker created a zfs resources to a folder how can i delete it since its busy or in use?
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22:22.32danielh1234_I don't use zfs but the manpage<https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/zfs-fuse/zfs.8.en.html> mentions `zfs destroy`.
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22:34.25AlexLikeRock_thunderbird  45 , cant  oppen POP-UP "GOOGLE  GRANT  PERMITION TO TUNDER-BIRT"
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22:34.49AlexLikeRock_press loguin ,  and  not  work
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22:36.39AlexLikeRock_** yes open pop-up.  but  not  loguin
22:38.23danielh1234_AlexLikeRock_: Did you follow these steps? https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7126229
22:39.21AlexLikeRock_checking
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22:42.32AlexLikeRock_danielh1234_,
22:42.33AlexLikeRock_yes
22:42.57AlexLikeRock_POP-up:           Sign in
22:42.59AlexLikeRock_to continue to Mozilla Thunderbird Email
22:43.17AlexLikeRock_some-one@gmail.com
22:43.33AlexLikeRock_CLICK -->>    "NEXT"
22:43.37AlexLikeRock_NOT WORK
22:44.02danielh1234_which version of Thunderbird are you using?
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22:44.55jimjust so you know... with some planning, those seven lines in a row could have been one line
22:45.49AlexLikeRock_45.8.0
22:45.50jimit doesn't look that busy now, but when it is, one line would be better than seven
22:45.51AlexLikeRock_danielh1234_,
22:46.00AlexLikeRock_45.8.0
22:47.39danielh1234_Does https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1359297 fit? If so, you need version >= 55.0
22:48.21missmbobenter<reply>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
22:48.24AlexLikeRock_mmmm
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22:48.56AlexLikeRock_danielh1234_,   jessie (stable) 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1:
22:49.00missmboband more likely people will silently place you on /ignore for being annoying
22:49.08AlexLikeRock_https://packages.debian.org/jessie/thunderbird
22:49.11jellysetting up an app-specific password for imap/smtp in your google account might be an acceptable workaround
22:49.21AlexLikeRock_BIG BUG !!!
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22:50.03danielh1234_:)
22:50.21AlexLikeRock_8-)
22:50.57AlexLikeRock_jelly,   no
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22:51.30AlexLikeRock_Thunderbird  45 of debian its OBSOLETE
22:51.31jellybut your tool may be buggy
22:51.41AlexLikeRock_what  tool ?
22:51.46jellythunberbird
22:51.53AlexLikeRock_so...
22:52.01AlexLikeRock_<PROTECTED>
22:52.12jellyor use a workaround if it exists
22:52.17AlexLikeRock_not work any more to ADD e-mails
22:52.30jimthere's that mozilla "ppa-like" thing, dunno how good it is
22:52.33AlexLikeRock_why ?
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22:53.07AlexLikeRock_PPA   its  for  UBUNTU.  you now it
22:53.44jimAlexLikeRock_, which is why I said ppa-like
22:54.00AlexLikeRock_no way!
22:54.16AlexLikeRock_must be  .DEB   package
22:54.18AlexLikeRock_from debian
22:54.55AlexLikeRock_Admit it's a big bug
22:55.07jim(note, that either way, you -always- want to be -very- careful about where you get stuff from, and the distro archives are normally the safest way to go
22:55.09AlexLikeRock_accept it is a big bug
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22:55.24AlexLikeRock_exactly
22:55.39AlexLikeRock_distro  repos    its  safe,,
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22:57.02jellyjim, do try to avoid suggesting ppa repos to debian users, unless you're 100% sure they've uploaded builds designed for debian releases there
22:58.50jimthe one I was -going- to suggest,,, (one sec pls)
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23:00.27joepreludianHi there!
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23:00.41jimhi
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23:20.25Jubilee808James, give this a watch.
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23:20.35Jubilee808Memes: understanding and using the Anti-Holocaust Meme (new version) | https://youtu.be/iO9K9Pw2qfo
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23:23.56Jubilee808jews fomented the genocidal wars that cost over 100 million of our best european peoples and what better way to distract us from that than to tell bizarre stories about a 'burnt offering'?
23:25.04jim!ops Jubilee808 umm, hello?
23:25.33missmbobwont work with dpkg out
23:25.40Jubilee808jim, wrong channel.
23:25.43Jubilee808jim, drop it.
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23:26.53danielh1234_This spam is posted in #gentoo as well...
23:27.13jimwhich makes it a freenode issue
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23:27.20NekojimiGetting accidentally pinged with jim's name all the time just got weird o.o
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23:28.38jimNekojimi, oh, do you get hilited when someone mentions "jim"?
23:28.49Jubilee808jim, it's not just about money and ideas of success. they're meticulously orchestrating the agenda outlined in their holy books, which involves the extermination of the goyim so that they can have a world of their own.
23:29.02Nekojimijim, yep :P
23:29.37NekojimiI go by "Jim" IRL and on a lot of places on the internet
23:30.06NekojimiIt just means that every so often I get an alert about reccomending PPAs or something a get momentarily confused :P
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23:31.04NekojimiAlso, uh, what's with the holocaust denial? This is the last of all places I thought I'd see that crap >.
23:31.10Nekojimi>.>
23:31.26missmbobNekojimi: spam is spam. and you talking about the spam doesnt help
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23:34.05jmjHi all !
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23:39.02jmjIs anybody here again ?
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23:41.47jmjIs anybody here again ? And which language should I use here ?
23:42.02nkuttler!ask
23:42.09LtLjmj: english please
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23:42.10jellyEnglish please
23:42.33jellynkuttler, dpkg is taking a vacayshun
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23:43.11jellyhttp://ircbots.debian.net/ has a fresh copy of factoids in the meantime
23:43.55jmjHi LtL ! Just wanted to talk to some linux user ! Sorry for my question!
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23:44.08jmjBe back later maybe.
23:44.16danielh1234_short version: there are many people 'here' just check every now and then. Don't just say hi or ask to ask, just ask your actual question and wait.
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23:46.11missmbobjmj: this isnt a chat channel. for that you can try #debian-offtopic
23:46.52jmjmissmbob   : hi ! ok.
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23:50.05Lady_AleenaHello. Will stretch fix pavucontrol?
23:51.26missmbobworks here in stretch
23:51.58Lady_AleenaCurrently when I go to Output Devices and try to set the volume on an individual speaker, nothing happens.
23:52.31missmbobthere is a 2 day old install. working fine
23:53.09Lady_Aleenamissmbob, I haven't done the switch yet, I'm still on jessie. It will be a little while before I switch.
23:53.22Lady_AleenaI have a lot of backups to do first.
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