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| 00:01.53 | jelly | dselect, ping |
| 00:01.53 | dselect | pong |
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| 00:02.33 | jelly | dselect, what are you |
| 00:02.33 | dselect | I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>. |
| 00:02.41 | jelly | ^^ copy of dpkg |
| 00:03.34 | danielh1234_ | !infobot |
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| 00:03.45 | danielh1234_ | ! infobot |
| 00:04.52 | danielh1234_ | dselect, what is an infobot? |
| 00:04.52 | dselect | I think you lost me on that one, danielh1234_ |
| 00:06.07 | jelly | dselect: infobot |
| 00:06.07 | dselect | Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sf.net/ for more. |
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| 00:38.22 | kevr | Hello. |
| 00:38.56 | kevr | If I have a .deb package, not in the repositories, how can i use dpkg-query or something like this to look up the entire dependency stack, without meta-packages |
| 00:38.57 | kevr | ? |
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| 00:39.18 | kevr | i'd like to recursively look up the entire depenency stack |
| 00:40.04 | TomG2 | i don't think you can |
| 00:40.27 | kevr | what if we make my requirements a bit more flexible; say i have access to aptitude as well |
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| 00:40.39 | kevr | or any debian packages |
| 00:40.42 | TomG2 | you can try dpkg -I yourdeb.deb and then apt-get --dry-run install allthedependspackages |
| 00:40.50 | kevr | eh |
| 00:41.01 | kevr | let's see |
| 00:41.50 | kevr | TomG2: if i have a package installed already, it doesn't show me anything useful there |
| 00:42.22 | jelly | kevr, you can easily debootstrap a minimal system and do it in that environment |
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| 00:42.56 | kevr | jelly: is this the only route i can take? |
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| 00:43.49 | jelly | no, it's just what we thought of first |
| 00:44.32 | jelly | kevr, eg. https://collab-maint.alioth.debian.org/debtree/ |
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| 00:45.07 | kevr | gotcha, yeah, ive been trying to use debtree for this |
| 00:45.32 | kevr | i was wondering if there's a way to "prettify" debtree, so that it doesn't show me meta packages |
| 00:46.10 | jelly | if your package depends on them, there's no escaping them anyway |
| 00:47.57 | kevr | eh... in normal debian, yes :P |
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| 00:56.06 | kevr | alright, well, thank you |
| 00:56.09 | kevr | :) |
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| 02:40.10 | hiya | What virtualbox replacement do you use from Main repo? |
| 02:40.18 | hiya | Anything better than Gnome boxes? |
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| 02:55.43 | Canucktux_ | hiya: there's qemu-laucher |
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| 03:11.41 | taylorbyte | I've almost got a UEFI PXE boot with NFS root working, only thing i can't figure out is when i get to the login screen and enter my credentials it says "Login incorrect". |
| 03:13.48 | Canucktux_ | taylorbyte: so it mounts 100% of stuff off NFS? |
| 03:15.57 | taylorbyte | i believe the nfs is mounting because when it wasnt i was left with a prompt like "(initramfs)". not sure if what your implying '100%' means some files aren't readable maybe from permissions? |
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| 03:26.23 | random_numbers | So it is indeed the 17th. I'd been intent on asking but seems the question was asked often enough that the topic includes it. |
| 03:27.08 | likcoras | Huh, the bot's dead. |
| 03:27.45 | likcoras | Anyway, the best replacement/alternative to virtualbox is qemu, right? |
| 03:28.05 | likcoras | Or should I also look into something else? |
| 03:28.23 | random_numbers | Kind of. Using libvirt (virt-manager and such) as a front-end. |
| 03:28.33 | random_numbers | It makes using different backends much easier. |
| 03:28.34 | taylorbyte | likcoras: i use libvirtd with virt-manager and that looks and feels like virtualbox but better i think |
| 03:28.46 | ryouma | i never got qemu to respect accessibility (font sizes etc.) but it is popular enough |
| 03:29.01 | likcoras | I tried to get all that stuff under control but never managed to really understand qemu/kvm/libvirt/whatever. |
| 03:29.01 | random_numbers | For instance, lib-virt has a standardized configuration format that works for all its backends. |
| 03:29.31 | likcoras | But since virtualbox is gone in stretch, might as well try again to understand it. |
| 03:29.32 | random_numbers | It's a front-end to various virtualization/emulation (QEMU?) backends. |
| 03:29.45 | random_numbers | Isn't already in non-free in Jessie anyway? |
| 03:29.59 | likcoras | Well, yeah, but at least it's there. |
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| 03:30.51 | taylorbyte | likcoras: how i see libvirtd is a tool to easily make and manage qemu but in an xml file. virt-manager is the GUI and reads the xml file |
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| 03:31.13 | likcoras | libvirt != libvirtd? |
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| 03:31.21 | ryzokuken | hey all! |
| 03:31.31 | ryzokuken | I had been using GNOME for a long time. |
| 03:31.31 | random_numbers | likcoras: It does, I think libvirt is just me saying it wrong. |
| 03:31.38 | likcoras | Ah, alright. |
| 03:31.55 | ryzokuken | recently (probably yesterday) it started to strutter. |
| 03:32.07 | likcoras | Also, correct me if I'm getting this wrong, KVM is basically just making qemu run faster by using hw stuff? |
| 03:32.20 | likcoras | Or is there more to it? |
| 03:32.20 | taylorbyte | likcoras: yeah libvirt , and KVM is just like Xen but developed in the kernel |
| 03:32.31 | ryzokuken | how can I solve it, and what's the reason? |
| 03:32.32 | likcoras | I have absolutely no idea what Xen is... |
| 03:32.41 | likcoras | ryzokuken: what kind of struttering? |
| 03:32.44 | ryzokuken | should I remove GNOME and install XFCE? Will that solve it? |
| 03:32.49 | random_numbers | Xen is a baremetal hypervisor. |
| 03:32.55 | ryzokuken | likcoras, you know, it lags at times. |
| 03:32.56 | random_numbers | It's its own kernel and such. |
| 03:33.08 | likcoras | Ah, alright. |
| 03:33.20 | ryzokuken | at certain points of time, the audio will come in bursts |
| 03:33.23 | random_numbers | KVM meanwhile works in Linux and enables QEMU to not be horribly slow when emulating stuff. |
| 03:33.27 | random_numbers | Like say a raspberry pi. |
| 03:33.27 | ryzokuken | and the mouse will move in bursts |
| 03:33.31 | ryzokuken | and everything else too |
| 03:33.39 | likcoras | My main use of vbox was running a few windows applications when I have no other alternative, would I need to worry about KVM? |
| 03:34.08 | random_numbers | Not sure. Windows tends not to react nicely to being moved to new hardware without a reinstall. |
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| 03:34.16 | likcoras | No games necessarily, although if I were to want games, I would probably also want KVM too, right? |
| 03:34.20 | random_numbers | If it's like it used to be about a decade ago... |
| 03:34.42 | likcoras | hmm... |
| 03:34.57 | likcoras | Oh yeah, I remember one of my main problems back when I was trying out qemu. |
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| 03:35.12 | likcoras | How do I configure video memory allocated to the guest? |
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| 03:35.17 | ryzokuken | likcoras, could you help me? |
| 03:35.26 | likcoras | ryzokuken: sorry, not too familiar with GNOME |
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| 03:36.03 | taylorbyte | likcoras: a tip for VGA / pass through: you'l need a motherboard that supports IOMMU and if you have an intel cpu needs to support VT-d and VT-x |
| 03:36.20 | likcoras | Ehhhh. |
| 03:36.28 | likcoras | Time to look a lot of things up, I guess. |
| 03:36.34 | likcoras | Oh, it does support VT-x. |
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| 03:37.10 | random_numbers | Hm, I'd never bothered to find out if the video memory could be partitioned rather than fully allowed. Oh well. |
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| 03:37.21 | likcoras | As far as I know... vmx is the cpu flag, right? |
| 03:37.46 | taylorbyte | yeah took me a while when i first started learning it and had to change my cpu, took me like 2 weeks to find out why IOMMU (passthough) wanst working, it was my CPU |
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| 03:38.14 | likcoras | qemu/libvirt doesn't have a similar mechanism to virtualbox for configuring video ram, then? |
| 03:38.29 | likcoras | I would need to do passthrough and stuff? |
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| 03:38.45 | taylorbyte | if you game |
| 03:39.01 | likcoras | Oh well, I guess I'll stick to wine-compatible ones. :P |
| 03:39.32 | likcoras | For basic browsing and such (some websites FORCE ie, not even edge) I guess qemu would work. |
| 03:40.27 | likcoras | I would just follow this for setup, right? https://wiki.debian.org/QEMU |
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| 03:44.59 | random_numbers | Oh and read the security advice for backends on the libvirtd wiki site. |
| 03:45.34 | random_numbers | https://libvirt.org/drvqemu.html#security |
| 03:45.55 | likcoras | Will do! Thanks. |
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| 03:57.28 | Canucktux_ | likcoras: I tried qemu-launcher but it keeps telling me that it can't detect the binary |
| 03:58.19 | likcoras | Huh... |
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| 04:02.10 | random_numbers | Did you install the package, I recall there being something weird with Jessie's dependencies. |
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| 04:08.00 | fun | How to use vpn |
| 04:08.03 | fun | Ifttt |
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| 04:13.25 | random_numbers | https://wiki.debian.org/openvpn%20for%20server%20and%20client An option is described. |
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| 04:15.47 | prasket | fun, what do you mean how to use vpn? Are you asking how do you use a VPN? |
| 04:16.14 | fun | I mean which are vpn use cases |
| 04:16.26 | fun | I understand vpn is used for corporate |
| 04:16.30 | fun | I don't have that use case |
| 04:16.40 | fun | What are other use cases for personal usages |
| 04:16.43 | fun | prasket: |
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| 04:16.57 | fun | I want to decide how vpn can be help |
| 04:17.00 | fun | Full to me |
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| 04:17.12 | fun | Or in which way I can use it |
| 04:17.21 | fun | I want to find out ways |
| 04:17.48 | prasket | I use a VPN anytime I am on a network I do not trust. i.e coffee shops, clients wifi, any open wifi |
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| 04:18.59 | prasket | There are also corporate VPN's which allow a remote user to connect to the office network. |
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| 04:20.01 | prasket | I would check out channel ##vpn they could probably provide much better assistance about VPN's |
| 04:20.03 | random_numbers | VPNs can serve as accesses to virtual networks, which is what their name refers to, just as they can be used so that any attempt to connect to the outside uses a particular gateway. Both uses aren't mutually incompatible. |
| 04:20.17 | random_numbers | I think openVPN's documentation talks about it. |
| 04:21.04 | random_numbers | https://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation.html |
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| 04:23.39 | EvanEsoteric | Hello everyone. Would someone be able to assist me? My Nautilus has a bug where it is very slow for the non-root users. I am using Thunar and would like to make it the default file manager. Question is, on Debian 8, how should I symlink this? |
| 04:24.46 | Canucktux_ | random_numbers: I installed the qemu-launcher package in Stretch and it downloaded 500MB+ of stuff |
| 04:25.01 | Canucktux_ | EvanEsoteric: what DE are you using? |
| 04:25.31 | EvanEsoteric | Canucktux_ - Gnome |
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| 04:28.14 | Canucktux_ | hmm, does this work? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager |
| 04:28.26 | Canucktux_ | seems like gnome is rather tricky to change the filemanager |
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| 04:29.56 | Canucktux_ | EvanEsoteric: XFCE has a preferred application switcher that seems to work |
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| 04:30.15 | jmcnaught | EvanEsoteric: what's going on with nautilus? |
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| 04:31.46 | EvanEsoteric | Canucktux_: By application switcher, do you mean a simple way to toggle? |
| 04:33.19 | Canucktux_ | EvanEsoteric: yeah, there's a handy little dropdown i.imgur.com/iXtHaOz.png |
| 04:33.42 | random_numbers | Canucktux_: Does it work now? |
| 04:33.47 | EvanEsoteric | jmcnaught: Nautilus freezes when opened and essentially doesn't work. I'll get the error. Speedy on root, but about a 7 minute way for each folder opened with non-root. |
| 04:34.29 | Canucktux_ | random_numbers: hmm? I have't touched it |
| 04:34.41 | Canucktux_ | random_numbers: I'll give it a reboot to be sure though |
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| 04:37.18 | EvanEsoteric | Seems Debian 8 doesn't enable change of file manager in default applications. I'll figure this out, I just keep putting it off. |
| 04:37.58 | Canucktux_ | random_numbers: still no dice :/ |
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| 04:39.51 | random_numbers | Canucktux_: Weird. |
| 04:40.06 | EvanEsoteric | ahh script didn't work, thank you though! Very much apprecaited. |
| 04:40.36 | random_numbers | I have qemu-kvm, qemu-system-common, qemu-system-x86, qemu-utils installed. |
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| 04:44.07 | Canucktux_ | random_numbers: just double checked, all those packages are installed |
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| 04:45.43 | random_numbers | Canucktux_: And creating a new machine using libvirtd and starting it fails? If so, then I'd probably try their channel, as I'm otherwise at loss at for what else you could do. |
| 04:46.13 | Canucktux_ | I was just trying to lauch the plebian GUI (qemu-launcher) |
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| 04:52.13 | random_numbers | I've never used it knowingly. |
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| 05:00.38 | Canucktux_ | random_numbers: no worries |
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| 07:40.41 | cunsultant | hello i have problem with linux mint ( on their chat i cant get help). i have problem after update kernel ( change to older dont repair) all files and partition is locked by unknown user, i cant edit or create files, root can only create new file but cant edit. chmod is ok |
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| 07:54.16 | babilen | cunsultant: We only support Debian in here. You could try ##linux for generic help |
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| 07:55.57 | cunsultant | oh rly i try find help 3 days and no one can help me there and on linux mint channel. maybe someone know how to repair this i think this is command line what is the same for all ubuntu debian based distros, only difference is window manager and repositories |
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| 08:03.11 | Ben64 | lol, didn't know he came here too |
| 08:03.34 | Ben64 | was trying to get me to support mint in #ubuntu too |
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| 09:08.24 | Stryker-White | can someone help me with a wifi dongle problem? |
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| 09:09.08 | danielh1234 | dselect: ask |
| 09:09.08 | dselect | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 09:12.03 | Stryker-White | trying to get a TP link TL-WN722N to work. I download a .zip file from the tplink website but dont know how to install them. And when I use the lsusb it comes up with no name |
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| 09:15.40 | danielh1234 | which Linux and Debian version are you running? run `uname -a && lsb_release -a` |
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| 09:18.31 | Stryker-White | sorry i got disconnected |
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| 09:19.26 | Stryker-White | can you please repeat that |
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| 09:20.32 | danielh1234 | Stryker-White: Try `apt-get install firmware-atheros` and a reboot. If that does not work `uname -a && lsb_release -d` would be helpful. |
| 09:21.07 | Stryker-White | ok I will do that now |
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| 09:23.37 | Stryker-White | Linux Kali 4.9.0-kali4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-lkalil (2017-06-06) x86_64 GNU |
| 09:23.56 | Stryker-White | No LSB modules are available |
| 09:24.08 | bazhang | #kali-linux for support Stryker-White |
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| 09:25.22 | Stryker-White | I tried in that channel no one answered. I'm very new to Linux so please forgive my noobness |
| 09:25.51 | CherryCheeks | hey #debian crew |
| 09:26.00 | bazhang | weekends or irc tend to be slower |
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| 09:27.09 | danielh1234 | Stryker-White: did the firmware-atheros package change anything? I assume it was successfully installed? Does lsusb show a name now? |
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| 09:27.50 | Stryker-White | brb just going to reboot will let u know |
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| 09:36.52 | Stryker-White | ok it said I have the newest one. When I do lsusb it shows that its connected but only has the ID |
| 09:37.30 | mosk3d1 | hey guys, i'm currently running the strech unstable, do i need to care about anything when it goes stable? I already edited the sources to stable |
| 09:38.10 | heiru | hello, I have network problems after upgrading from jessie to stretch (which forced me to uninstall and reinstall network-manager): I can connect to wifi, but can only access a few websites like google.de / everything else is not accessible. 'route' command gives empty list, 'ping' command says 'connect: Network unreachable' I have no idea how to fix this. can you help me pls? |
| 09:38.44 | danielh1234 | mosk3d1: change it to 'stretch' then it will be stretch regardless of its status. |
| 09:39.10 | danielh1234 | Stryker-White: Do you have it in a USB 3 or 2 port? |
| 09:39.21 | mosk3d1 | danielh1234: already done that, nice thank you |
| 09:40.12 | Stryker-White | Its a macbook air I think its 2 |
| 09:40.28 | Stryker-White | on my PC its in a usb 2 port with the same problem |
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| 09:41.42 | Stryker-White | dose it make a difference? |
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| 09:42.30 | danielh1234 | Stryker-White: it should not, but might https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/342182 |
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| 09:44.06 | Stryker-White | I did something befor I cant remember what something to do with usbswitch. it came up saying it found something about a default wifi driver but couldnt swith |
| 09:44.14 | danielh1234 | heiru: did you remove and readd any NetworkManager configuration for the interfaces / networks? Is DHCP normally working in your network? |
| 09:44.22 | mosk3d1 | heiru: Do you use a working DNS server? |
| 09:45.00 | heiru | the only thing I changed was adding the google dns server to /etc/resolv.conf in order to test if that helps |
| 09:45.20 | heiru | yes, dhcp is working in my network normally |
| 09:45.53 | heiru | when I enter nmcli |
| 09:45.56 | mosk3d1 | heiru: is it in the first position? I had problems with the next ones in the order |
| 09:46.41 | heiru | when I enter nmcli i can see that only one dns server is active (which is a ipv6 ip i don't know) |
| 09:47.41 | heiru | mosk3d1: I see the google dns was removed from resolv.conf probably when I restarted network-manager |
| 09:48.26 | heiru | mosk3d1: but I added it to the first line |
| 09:50.07 | mosk3d1 | heiru: if your DHCP doens't give the unknown IPv6 adress something else resets the resolv.conf, is it working if you edit it after the installation? |
| 09:50.32 | danielh1234 | Stryker-White: does `dmesg | grep -C 3 htc.9271` give any clues as to what went wrong? also dselect paste |
| 09:50.41 | danielh1234 | dselect: paste |
| 09:50.41 | dselect | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 09:51.31 | teraflops | heiru: did you check your resolv.conf is not a symlink? |
| 09:51.38 | Dagger | if `ping` is giving "connect: Network unreachable" then it sounds like DNS is working, otherwise it'd give a DNS error |
| 09:51.42 | heiru | teraflops: it is a symlink |
| 09:51.59 | Dagger | (you can check with `getent ahosts <hostname>` or `host <hostname>`) |
| 09:52.07 | heiru | teraflops: to /var/run/NetworkManager/resolv.conf |
| 09:52.44 | Dagger | "google.de works but other sites don't" sounds like you have working v6 but broken v4 (if facebook.com, he.net etc work too then that'd back that up) |
| 09:52.46 | heiru | mosk3d1: If I add the google dns to the first line of resolv.conf and do nothing else (no restarting of networking / network-manger) it does not work |
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| 09:53.52 | heiru | Dagger: yes, facebook and he.com are working |
| 09:53.58 | mosk3d1 | heiru: i don't know exactly if it works without a restart, i think there is some DNS cache running, maybe someone with more knowledge can tell you that |
| 09:54.13 | heiru | mosk3d1: ok, thank you |
| 09:54.40 | heiru | Dagger: what would I need to do to fix ipv4 ? |
| 09:54.59 | Dagger | aaand that's the question, isn't it |
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| 09:55.14 | teraflops | heiru: he.net? are you using a tunnelbroket? /me scrolls up |
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| 09:55.48 | Dagger | teraflops: no, I just suggested a dual-stack website to test with and that was the one I could remember offhand |
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| 09:56.11 | danielh1234 | heiru: Does IPv4 work locally? `ping -4 gateway` |
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| 09:56.36 | teraflops | Dagger: ah nvm. i was late to the party |
| 09:57.00 | Dagger | heiru: does `dhclient <interface>` help any? if not then it's possible the DHCP daemon on the router died |
| 09:57.23 | heiru | danielh1234: no it says connect: network unreachable also |
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| 09:58.18 | danielh1234 | heiru: which would Dagger up. Did you try restarting the router? |
| 09:58.27 | danielh1234 | *back up |
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| 09:59.01 | heiru | dhclient did not help, I'll restart the router |
| 09:59.17 | heiru | but I have only trouble on this device, which is strange |
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| 10:00.14 | danielh1234 | heiru: that would make sense if it was the last of the tested devices to connect (or the other ones use static IPs). |
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| 10:05.05 | Commander1024 | I have a strange problem running a Debian Stretch in a Stretch KVM hypervisor. Since yesterday (nothing done except short internet outtage) /dev/null seems to be broken. IPv4 access broken, because dhclient fails with /dev/null related messages, same goes for apt and bash login |
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| 10:05.42 | Commander1024 | Nothing complex installed or configured, it's basically a rsnapshot backup vm with little mail and stuff - much space free |
| 10:05.52 | Ben64 | Commander1024: ls -l /dev/null |
| 10:06.29 | Commander1024 | srwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Jun 11 03:57 /dev/null |
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| 10:07.09 | Ben64 | well there you go |
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| 10:07.32 | Commander1024 | don't see it yet |
| 10:07.52 | Ben64 | /dev/null usually doesn't look like that |
| 10:08.10 | heiru | restarting the router did not help :( |
| 10:08.12 | Ben64 | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 May 2 15:53 /dev/null |
| 10:08.29 | Commander1024 | that's right |
| 10:08.46 | danielh1234 | Commander1024: `rm /dev/null && mknod /dev/null c 1 3 && chmod 666 /dev/null` |
| 10:09.47 | Commander1024 | that worked - now it looks more familiar |
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| 10:10.07 | Commander1024 | I'll try a few things, but I guess it is esoteric to think about the how and why? |
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| 10:11.44 | Commander1024 | fascinating, now it does not boot anymore ;-) |
| 10:12.14 | Commander1024 | ipv4 connectivity restored - but ssh dead |
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| 10:14.45 | Commander1024 | it seems to boot ok up the point where a getty or something should be spawned |
| 10:15.13 | Commander1024 | and then stands there with blinking cursor, network functional, ssh dead, no interaction on console |
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| 10:19.01 | danielh1234 | Commander1024: maybe you accidentally overwrite /dev/null with a command? Or passed it as a socket path to some program that just deleted it to make room for the socket? Maybe other special files under /dev/ are broken as well? |
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| 10:20.03 | Commander1024 | I can access the system in recovery mode, /dev/null still looks ok, no errors regarding that |
| 10:21.31 | danielh1234 | any other sockets in /dev? find /dev -type s |
| 10:22.01 | Commander1024 | nope |
| 10:23.56 | danielh1234 | Some weird service destroying the freshly set up /dev/ files on startup (which does not happen in recovery)? Did the system have successful reboots after the last update / configuration change? |
| 10:25.13 | Commander1024 | it did boot after last update and ony config changes were rsnapshot config |
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| 10:26.24 | Commander1024 | don't have errors in log. Looks like it boots ok, but then when it should spawn a console thingy (getty or such) nothing happens |
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| 10:26.40 | Commander1024 | fs'es are ok |
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| 10:27.50 | heiru | as I understand my problem, I just don't get a ipv4 adress in my network for some reason - ifconfig confirms this, any Idea how to get a ipv4 adress? |
| 10:28.32 | Commander1024 | ip addr add x.x.x.x/y dev <interface> |
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| 10:30.25 | danielh1234 | Commander1024: does `ls -l /dev/tty*` look like https://paste.debian.net/970999/? |
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| 10:31.57 | Commander1024 | yep, pretty much tty1 is owned by root, but there is no graphical something on it |
| 10:32.36 | Commander1024 | ah mom |
| 10:32.47 | Commander1024 | I pulled up network, could not login via ssh |
| 10:32.57 | Commander1024 | restarted sshd, now I can login via network again |
| 10:33.18 | teraflops | heiru: check youre not using 2 network management tools at the same time, 2 stop using ifconfig, |
| 10:33.40 | Commander1024 | "System is booting up. See pam_nologin(8)" |
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| 10:34.20 | Commander1024 | ah, that seems to be related to recovery mode |
| 10:36.29 | Commander1024 | pam_systemd(sshd:session): Failed to connect to system bus: No such file or directory <- interesting? |
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| 10:38.21 | Commander1024 | WTF=? |
| 10:38.33 | Commander1024 | as if nothing has happened |
| 10:39.06 | Commander1024 | ok, /dev/null broken again |
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| 10:39.47 | heiru | teraflops: i dont have wicd, rdnssd or resolvconf installed, and I use ifconfig only to show the devices ip adresses, so I think that is ok |
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| 10:40.29 | heiru | teraflops: I was testing a bit and It seems that no matter if I use wifi or lan, I only get ipv6 adresses assigned |
| 10:40.34 | Commander1024 | i restarted sshd in recovery mode and pulled up network before. ssh worked fine in recovery then. Rebooted, login prompt appeared, ssh dead and /dev/null broken |
| 10:40.39 | teraflops | heiru: I meant, how do you manage tour network? |
| 10:40.50 | teraflops | your^ |
| 10:40.58 | heiru | teraflops: with network-manager / network-manager-gnome and nmcli |
| 10:41.48 | heiru | if I look into my router, it seems that my device gets a ipv4 adress assigned, but it never shows up on the device |
| 10:42.08 | teraflops | heiru: stop network-manager service, and any dhcpcd/dhclient instance you find using pgrep/ps |
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| 10:43.35 | teraflops | heiru: I'm assuming it was working before, right? |
| 10:43.53 | heiru | teraflops: ok, i have stopped the processes |
| 10:43.54 | danielh1234 | If you can not log in in normal mode, try adding 'console=ttyS0' to the linux line on Grub or whereever and see if the serial console allows you to log in. |
| 10:44.07 | teraflops | heiru: I'm also assuming the network device/devices are detected correctly |
| 10:44.23 | heiru | teraflops: it was working before I upgraded to stretch, but my wifi card was not wirking then (it works only with the drivers in stretch) |
| 10:44.56 | teraflops | heiru: lets focus on wired network then |
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| 10:45.38 | teraflops | heiru: whats the output of ip link show? |
| 10:46.10 | teraflops | do you see devices there? as in e.g enp2s0f0 (sort of) |
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| 10:49.14 | Commander1024 | danielh1234, I'll try that |
| 10:49.48 | heiru | teraflops: https://pastebin.com/LLKS4xrn |
| 10:50.10 | heiru | sorry I had to copy it using a flash drive |
| 10:50.17 | teraflops | np |
| 10:50.49 | teraflops | heiru: I wonder why are you having eth0 in stretch? |
| 10:50.59 | teraflops | s/?/ |
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| 10:51.26 | heiru | I don't know, should it have a different name? |
| 10:51.41 | teraflops | I also kindly request you to stop using pastebin.com |
| 10:52.08 | teraflops | heiru: it should unless you explicitly changed the behaviour |
| 10:52.40 | heiru | no it did not change it |
| 10:52.41 | Dagger | teraflops: only on a clean install. the opposite is true for a jessie upgrade |
| 10:53.00 | teraflops | Dagger: oh, good to know |
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| 10:53.53 | teraflops | heiru: so, it seems you have more computers there, do you know the ip address of your router? |
| 10:54.17 | heiru | yes, I do |
| 10:54.28 | teraflops | which is⦠|
| 10:55.04 | heiru | 192.168.178.1 |
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| 10:55.51 | teraflops | so try sudo ip addr add 192.168.178.239/24 |
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| 10:56.09 | teraflops | let's pray this address is not taken^ |
| 10:56.29 | teraflops | then sudo ip link set eth0 up |
| 10:56.32 | Commander1024 | I guess he should add the device sudo ip addr add 192.168.178.239/24 dev eth0 |
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| 10:56.51 | teraflops | yeha sorry im typing from the phone |
| 10:57.18 | teraflops | sudo ip addr add 192.168.178.239/24 dev eth0 |
| 10:57.38 | heiru | right now, the wired interface is completely missing, maybe because I stopped all the processes? |
| 10:57.46 | heiru | I entered the command |
| 10:58.07 | Commander1024 | it is probably down "sudo ip link set eth0 up" |
| 10:58.38 | Commander1024 | and then "sudo ip route add default gw 192.168.178.1" |
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| 10:58.54 | teraflops | heiru: now sudo ip route add default via 192.168.178.1 |
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| 10:59.09 | Commander1024 | what teraflops says... mixed route and ip |
| 10:59.33 | teraflops | heiru: and then try to ping the router |
| 10:59.46 | heiru | ok, but 'sudo ip link set eth0 up' is still running (not finished) |
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| 10:59.59 | teraflops | heiru: that's definitely waird |
| 11:00.02 | teraflops | weird |
| 11:00.09 | teraflops | heiru: check cables |
| 11:00.20 | Commander1024 | nearly as weird a randomly self-destroying /dev/null's |
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| 11:01.11 | heiru | cables are good, even the lights began to blink again |
| 11:01.21 | heiru | still running |
| 11:01.39 | teraflops | heiru: look at journal |
| 11:01.42 | Commander1024 | heiru, you don't use some esotherical "smart managed" vlan capable switches? thinking in the direction of switch misconfiguration that gives you multi/broadcast ipv6 ra's but no unicast traffic? |
| 11:02.19 | heiru | I'm using a 4-port switch for my wired connection |
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| 11:02.49 | Commander1024 | is it stupid or "smart" (as in has a cli/web interface)? |
| 11:02.50 | heiru | teraflops: what do you mean by journal? syslog? |
| 11:03.03 | teraflops | heiru: yep or journalctl |
| 11:03.32 | heiru | Commander1024: No it has no web interface I think |
| 11:03.39 | Commander1024 | ok |
| 11:03.45 | teraflops | heiru: are you sure there is no other process running dealing with eth0? |
| 11:03.46 | heiru | it does not have an ip adress to my knowledge |
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| 11:04.46 | woshty_ | Where did nm-applet go? |
| 11:04.54 | heiru | i was I think I need to reboot my device, syslog shows no output right now |
| 11:05.15 | heiru | -(i was) |
| 11:06.31 | heiru | thank you very much for your help by the way! |
| 11:06.39 | teraflops | heiru: the process is simple. make yourself sure there is no network management tool running, no dhcpwhatever running, than try to give an ip address to eth0 as above and a default route. then ping the gateway |
| 11:06.43 | heiru | sorry for coming up with this problem |
| 11:06.54 | teraflops | no worries |
| 11:06.59 | danielh1234 | heiru: as for other processes try the shotgun in the dark approach: pgrep -li 'ip|if|eth|net' |
| 11:07.15 | teraflops | if that works, next thing is figuring out whats going on with dhcp |
| 11:07.26 | heiru | ok, I'll try this |
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| 11:11.47 | Commander1024 | danielh1234, I got it repaird in runtime and can ssh into it again with fixing /dev/null again and restarting sshd |
| 11:12.15 | Commander1024 | Interestingly it got a different IP now, which usually does not happen with my pfsense route except MAC address changes |
| 11:12.33 | Commander1024 | But I guess I will be unable to login again when I reboot |
| 11:12.55 | Commander1024 | runtime non-recovery mode |
| 11:18.58 | heiru | how would I freshly install debian testing? I cant find any installer iso, is the only way to install stable and then upgrade by changing /etc/apt/sources.lst ? |
| 11:19.19 | heiru | (to avoid the hassel with the upgrade process) |
| 11:19.59 | danielh1234 | Commander1024: sounds like some service or cron job is messing up /dev/null and potentially others _if_ it starts. Do `find /dev -type s` and `ls -l /dev/tty*` look different now? |
| 11:20.47 | heiru | to my wired connection: right now it's not working at all, i'm using a usb ethernet adapter (the laptop has no wired network card) |
| 11:20.52 | teraflops | heiru: you can grab a netinstall, and using the expert mode just install minimal system, then dist upgrade. but iirc there are stretch isos too that you can use safely |
| 11:21.08 | heiru | ok, thank you |
| 11:21.22 | teraflops | heiru: so it never worked since you upgraded to stretch? |
| 11:21.30 | Commander1024 | danielh1234, only /dev/null b0rk after a regular reboot |
| 11:21.58 | Commander1024 | and as consequence dhclient sshd |
| 11:22.19 | Commander1024 | I'm not even close to a clue what could mess with it |
| 11:22.50 | heiru | hmm no it worked once, but now it does not become active after plugin in (no lights etc) |
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| 11:23.05 | heiru | i even tried another cable |
| 11:23.30 | danielh1234 | heiru: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 11:23.37 | Commander1024 | well, I did a config change |
| 11:24.16 | Commander1024 | I jumped into the snmpd systemd service definition file to mute it when the monitoring system queries it. but that works (even after reboot) on the host, where I changed it, too |
| 11:25.03 | Commander1024 | It would be an easy thing to grab the 10 config files I touched and set it all up again freshly but that would be quite unsatisfactory |
| 11:25.44 | danielh1234 | Commander1024: Does 'muting' include setting something to /dev/null? |
| 11:25.53 | Commander1024 | nope, just log verbosity |
| 11:27.03 | Commander1024 | -ExecStart=/usr/sbin/snmpd -LS 0-4 d /dev/null -u Debian-snmp -g Debian-snmp -I -smux,mteTrigger,mteTriggerConf -f |
| 11:27.03 | Commander1024 | +ExecStart=/usr/sbin/snmpd -LS4d /dev/null -u Debian-snmp -g Debian-snmp -I -smux,mteTrigger,mteTriggerConf -f |
| 11:27.22 | Commander1024 | eh, other way round of course |
| 11:28.24 | Commander1024 | default was -Ls which basically spams debug log into syslog - which can be quite annoying and write-intensive on a ssd |
| 11:29.07 | heiru | ok I just had to activate it again by typing "sudo ip link set up eth0", then I did "sudo ip addr add 192.168.178.239/24 dev eth0" which worked also, I typed "sudo ip route add default via 192.168.178.1" but then I got: RTNETLINK anwers: Network is unreachable |
| 11:29.18 | Commander1024 | this is the default debian net-snmp behaviour since at least debian wheezy and it sucks dick, and since jessie /etc/default/snmpd is completely ignored by systemd and the bug-report as well |
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| 11:29.21 | heiru | danielh1234: thank you for the url |
| 11:29.42 | heiru | teraflops: do you know what could be the problem? |
| 11:30.48 | danielh1234 | Commander1024: you could back up your new configuration, revert the changes (logging especially) and see if that "solves" the problem. If so, it may be a bug. |
| 11:30.54 | teraflops | heiru: unless 192.168.178.239 is in use, I have no idea, do you have in your router a thingy that might block by mac address? |
| 11:31.07 | heiru | I'll check |
| 11:31.37 | Commander1024 | danielh1234, yeah - because after elaborating I just noticed that - tada /dev/null explicitly gets mentioned in that very line I changed/posted |
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| 11:32.30 | danielh1234 | Commander1024: yeah... I overlooked it as well :) |
| 11:32.48 | Commander1024 | debian-default: ExecStart=/usr/sbin/snmpd -Lsd -Lf /dev/null -u Debian-snmp -g Debian-snmp -I -smux,mteTrigger,mteTriggerConf -f |
| 11:33.05 | Commander1024 | Maybe I have to dig myself into a deep hole soon, *checking things* |
| 11:33.06 | teraflops | Commander1024: just a wild thought, are you sure -LS... /dev/null does what you think is does? maybe is not treating /dev/null as you think it does |
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| 11:33.42 | Commander1024 | yeah, it does, but aparrently I killed the -Lf in front of /dev/null |
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| 11:35.11 | heiru | teraflops: I still had processes that messed up my config, now it works (I can ping the router) |
| 11:35.22 | teraflops | ^ |
| 11:35.23 | Commander1024 | danielh1234, teraflops it's official, I'm stupid |
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| 11:35.47 | teraflops | heiru: which processes? |
| 11:36.07 | Commander1024 | ExecStart=/usr/sbin/snmpd -LS 0-4 d -Lf /dev/null -u Debian-snmp -g Debian-snmp -I -smux,mteTrigger,mteTriggerConf -f <- works and is silent |
| 11:36.16 | Commander1024 | does not mess with /dev/null anymore |
| 11:36.41 | teraflops | you only want _one_ network management tool running (unless you know what youre doing) |
| 11:36.52 | heiru | teraflops: I had: netns, ipv6_addrconf, irq/126-iwlwifi, NetworkManager |
| 11:37.10 | teraflops | heiru: so you still had NM running |
| 11:37.29 | heiru | yes sorry, maybe because I rebooted in between |
| 11:37.33 | teraflops | yep |
| 11:37.42 | teraflops | heiru: ok, now try setting it up using NM |
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| 11:38.19 | teraflops | you can use nmtui/or the applet |
| 11:38.26 | heiru | ok |
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| 11:39.07 | teraflops | you have to restart NM or just reboot (itcrowd approach) |
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| 11:41.14 | heiru | I restarted nm and it still works (but I still have the same IP adress .239) |
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| 11:42.01 | Commander1024 | thanks a lot for helping to think danielh1234 and teraflops |
| 11:42.13 | danielh1234 | np |
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| 11:43.08 | teraflops | Commander1024: np |
| 11:43.44 | teraflops | heiru: yeah, no try to set it to pick an ip via dhcp |
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| 11:44.55 | teraflops | heiru: what you use? DE/WM |
| 11:45.01 | teraflops | nm-applet? |
| 11:45.03 | teraflops | nmtui? |
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| 11:46.17 | heiru | I have network-manager-gnome installed, so I have the gui on the top right of my screen |
| 11:46.47 | heiru | the wired connection does not come up from itself |
| 11:47.04 | heiru | (i rebooted now to reset everything) |
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| 11:47.53 | teraflops | heiru: https://pb.gehidore.net/ZeVr.png |
| 11:47.55 | teraflops | all auto |
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| 11:48.41 | heiru | yes, thats how I have it |
| 11:49.00 | teraflops | lets see if that works this time |
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| 11:55.09 | heiru | teraflops: no, I still have the same error than before: ping says network not reachable |
| 11:55.39 | heiru | ping google -> working, ping startpage.com -> not working |
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| 11:56.35 | heiru | and I have an ipv6 address again |
| 11:57.02 | heiru | I think network-manager somehow messes up the configuration, but I don't know why |
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| 11:57.49 | danielh1234 | heiru: Do you by any chance have multiple DHCP servers on your network? |
| 11:58.47 | danielh1234 | like multiple wifi routers or a bridged VM with a DHCP daemon |
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| 11:59.14 | heiru | danielh1234: not that I know of, but I'll try to inspect using wireshark |
| 11:59.35 | teraflops | heiru: ip6 address? mind pasting it? |
| 12:00.59 | teraflops | heiru: you can tell NM to avoid getting ipv6 address but Im curious about what's the ipv6 address youre getting |
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| 12:01.32 | heiru | ok wait, I'll paste it |
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| 12:01.45 | teraflops | heiru: "ip -6 a" if you can |
| 12:02.34 | teraflops | danielh1234: or silly ISP ipv6 implementation |
| 12:03.17 | heiru | any good paste website? |
| 12:03.28 | danielh1234 | dselect: paste |
| 12:03.29 | dselect | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 12:03.29 | teraflops | http://paste.debian.net |
| 12:04.13 | heiru | http://paste.debian.net/971005/ |
| 12:04.34 | teraflops | heiru: well you have ipv6 :P |
| 12:04.50 | heiru | yes, and nothing else, right? |
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| 12:05.11 | danielh1234 | it would not show anything else with -6 |
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| 12:05.44 | teraflops | danielh1234: I was afraid he was talking about fe80::250:b6ff:fe0f:72da/64 scope link |
| 12:05.45 | heiru | ip -4 shows only lo |
| 12:05.56 | teraflops | idk how is in stretch ping -6 or ping6 |
| 12:06.05 | teraflops | heiru: try to ping -6 google.com |
| 12:06.26 | danielh1234 | teraflops: i know, that's what I expected. |
| 12:06.28 | heiru | ping -6 google.com is working |
| 12:06.54 | heiru | same with -4 gives "network unreachable" |
| 12:07.08 | teraflops | heiru: ok, so go call blame isp, meanwhile you can try to set ipv4 fixed address |
| 12:07.20 | teraflops | s/call/ |
| 12:07.49 | teraflops | heiru: idk your plastic router though |
| 12:08.27 | danielh1234 | but what influence on the local DHCP stuff does the ISP have? is it not only the router / DHCP server within? |
| 12:08.33 | heiru | would it help to disable ipv6 completely? |
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| 12:08.47 | Dagger | isn't v6 the thing that's working? |
| 12:08.53 | teraflops | danielh1234: I think his router is doing something odd |
| 12:09.05 | teraflops | Dagger: it does like a charm |
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| 12:09.44 | heiru | but why do I have the problem since the upgrade to stretch? |
| 12:09.45 | teraflops | Dagger: also setting v4 address by hand it works |
| 12:09.51 | teraflops | no idea tbh |
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| 12:10.15 | danielh1234 | dhclient still not working? |
| 12:10.22 | heiru | there was a conflict with rdnssd and network manager while upgrading, and rdnssd was removed |
| 12:10.28 | heiru | dunno |
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| 12:10.49 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
| 12:11.10 | heiru | 'sudo dhclient eth0' does not change anything |
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| 12:11.58 | teraflops | it's dhclient -4 |
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| 12:12.44 | teraflops | idk to what is defaulting NM in debian stretch, dhclient/dhcpcd/internal? |
| 12:12.45 | heiru | dhclient -4 also did not help |
| 12:13.24 | teraflops | heiru: tried setting fixed ipv4 in NM? |
| 12:14.12 | BluesKaj | teraflops, the system nomenclature for eth0 is something like enp0s7 etc, no more eth0,1 etc |
| 12:14.29 | BluesKaj | systemd that is |
| 12:14.44 | teraflops | BluesKaj: unless you dist-upgraded from jessie |
| 12:15.27 | heiru | teraflops: I have configured a manual ip using the network-manager gui, but nothing changed - do I need to restart nm? |
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| 12:15.43 | heiru | s/manual/fixed |
| 12:15.57 | danielh1234 | heiru: try reconnecting the connection in NM |
| 12:15.58 | teraflops | the aplet has a switch to on/off |
| 12:16.07 | teraflops | applet^ |
| 12:16.12 | BluesKaj | really, then you have to enable systemd networkd |
| 12:16.24 | teraflops | BluesKaj: why? |
| 12:17.00 | heiru | danielh1234: now it works! |
| 12:17.01 | BluesKaj | eventually at least when networking updates/upgrades |
| 12:17.33 | teraflops | heiru: ok, now go figure out why dhcp only icks ipv6 address :P |
| 12:17.43 | teraflops | picks |
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| 12:18.27 | danielh1234 | heiru: can you paste /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf ? |
| 12:18.41 | heiru | can it be a problem with apparmor? |
| 12:19.06 | teraflops | BluesKaj: doing wireless with systemd-networkd is annoying if you switch of ap all the time |
| 12:19.24 | teraflops | idk, read the logs |
| 12:20.02 | BluesKaj | teraflops, well systemd period is annoying, but i guess we have to live with it |
| 12:20.02 | danielh1234 | or try disabling it and see if the automatic DHCP IPv4 works |
| 12:20.49 | teraflops | BluesKaj: well it is for you, I was talking specifically of doing wireless using systemd-networkd |
| 12:20.55 | heiru | danielh1234: http://paste.debian.net/971007/ |
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| 12:22.43 | BluesKaj | teraflops, yeah i understand, wifi can be trouble some in the best of circumstances |
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| 12:23.01 | BluesKaj | troublesome |
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| 12:24.29 | teraflops | I just find nmtui less annoying for doing wireless |
| 12:24.46 | teraflops | NM I meant |
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| 12:25.44 | danielh1234 | heiru: completely default, should work. Anything interesting in { dmesg && journalctl ;} | grep -iC3 dhc |
| 12:26.59 | heiru | yes, both dhcpcd and dhclient seem to be in enforce mode |
| 12:27.13 | heiru | I am trying to disable apparmor completely |
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| 12:29.39 | danielh1234 | dhcpcd? as in a DHCP server? |
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| 12:30.13 | teraflops | danielh1234: nope dhcpcd â a DHCP client |
| 12:30.44 | heiru | it is now working! |
| 12:30.49 | heiru | I am so sorry |
| 12:30.54 | danielh1234 | so AppArmor? |
| 12:30.57 | teraflops | ugh |
| 12:31.05 | heiru | yes, it must have been apparmor |
| 12:31.26 | heiru | i had no idea that this could cause such problems |
| 12:31.42 | heiru | and i didnt know what i was doing |
| 12:31.57 | heiru | sorry for bringing this trouble to you :/ |
| 12:32.17 | teraflops | yeah and since debian does not default to it we didnt ask |
| 12:32.23 | teraflops | heiru: np |
| 12:32.24 | heiru | but ping -4 <anything> is now working |
| 12:32.33 | danielh1234 | heiru: apt-get install apparmor-profiles ? |
| 12:32.46 | heiru | yes, you couldnt know |
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| 12:33.06 | heiru | danielh1234: I was doing what is described here: https://wiki.debian.org/AppArmor/HowToUse |
| 12:33.15 | heiru | under "Install more profiles" |
| 12:33.55 | heiru | sorry again :/ |
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| 12:34.01 | teraflops | no worries |
| 12:34.17 | danielh1234 | So it's basically 'Note that many of these profiles are not up-to-date and might break functionality in enforce mode.'? |
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| 12:35.11 | heiru | yes I guess that should be written in bold and red letters |
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| 12:36.12 | heiru | thank you very much for your help, and a big sorry |
| 12:36.50 | danielh1234 | no problem, glad it works now |
| 12:37.09 | fun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:40.47 | mint | hi, in debian 9, packed selinux-policy-default are banned |
| 12:40.58 | mint | or no |
| 12:41.00 | mint | please |
| 12:41.27 | babilen | Banned? |
| 12:41.50 | babilen | Why do you think that selinux-policy-default is banned? |
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| 12:42.10 | babilen | (and what does that mean?) |
| 12:42.29 | mint | he was banned in jessie |
| 12:42.45 | babilen | You mean that the package had been removed? |
| 12:42.50 | babilen | judd: v selinux-policy-default |
| 12:42.51 | judd | Package: selinux-policy-default on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:2.20110726-12; sid: 2:2.20161023.1-9; stretch: 2:2.20161023.1-9 |
| 12:42.55 | babilen | mint: ^ |
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| 12:44.17 | mint | yes removed |
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| 12:45.37 | mint | is possible use selinux in debian |
| 12:45.41 | mint | ? |
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| 12:47.59 | BluesKaj | mint, yes the libs are intalled by default |
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| 12:49.36 | BluesKaj | installed even |
| 12:49.54 | mint | ok, but dont has packet selinux-policy-* in debian, right? |
| 12:50.21 | BluesKaj | dunno |
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| 12:52.28 | danielh1234 | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=selinux-policy-default |
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| 12:54.40 | samantha- | i have a machine running a big RAID array (a total of 11 drives in the machine), and one of the drives (ata19) seems to be close to giving up the ghost. is there a way to exercise this drive so its status light lights up, so i can tell which physical drive it is, so i can prioritize pulling and replacing it? |
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| 12:57.07 | mint | alguem sabe como eu posso fazer a placa wireless intelbras RBN 240 trabalhar no debian, no ubuntu e no mint sempre funciona, menos no debian? |
| 12:57.57 | humbot | erm, |
| 12:58.01 | humbot | !br |
| 12:58.07 | humbot | !pt |
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| 12:58.44 | danielh1234 | samantha-: you could try to figure out the port number with `find /sys/devices -name ata19` then follow the cable from the controller/mainboard. |
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| 12:59.16 | mint | someone know how to do use Wireless intelbras WBN 240 in debian, in mint and ubuntu, work, but in debian no? |
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| 13:03.06 | BluesKaj | mint, https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 13:03.59 | danielh1234 | mint: or `apt-get install firmware-atheros` |
| 13:04.07 | mint | thank you |
| 13:05.56 | babilen | missmbob: You asked about Debian 9 (i.e. Stretch) and you can see in the list above that selinux-policy-default will be part of that release. |
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| 13:08.29 | dvs | 67 bugs left!!! |
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| 13:19.50 | LUISA | hi all |
| 13:20.09 | LUISA | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:20.19 | LUISA | http://myprofitmethods3.com/?u=xb3pte4&o=blkwunn |
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| 13:28.12 | jonathan_x | would anyone know where I could find people who would know something about error correction? (BCH codes). |
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| 13:30.51 | nkuttler | any ideas how to remount / rw again when the device is marked as read only? mount: cannot remount /dev/mapper/foo read-write, is write-protected |
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| 13:31.38 | BluesKaj | jonathan_x, if you state your real issue , maybe someone can help, but otherwise that's a question for ##linux chat...maybe |
| 13:31.56 | BluesKaj | err ##linux |
| 13:31.58 | zykotick9 | nkuttler: is that an SD card with a "switch" on it perhaps? |
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| 13:32.10 | jonathan_x | it has nothing to do with linux, sorry, but I am asking in #math right now. (wrong answer). |
| 13:32.20 | nkuttler | zykotick9: it's an ssd on a remote system |
| 13:32.26 | danielh1234 | nkuttler: otherwise `blockdev --setrw /dev/...` |
| 13:32.31 | zykotick9 | nkuttler: ahhh. good luck. |
| 13:32.44 | nkuttler | danielh1234: already tried, that didn't help either |
| 13:32.53 | sh00p | mount -o remount,rw / ? |
| 13:32.54 | nkuttler | hm, let me retry after the fsck |
| 13:32.58 | sh00p | is what i usually do |
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| 13:35.38 | nkuttler | i guess i could try to reboot, but it's an encrypted /, so i'd have to store the passphrase on the disk.. and if it goes wrong the machine would be down for a week :| |
| 13:35.56 | danielh1234 | nkuttler: check blockdev --getro for all underlying devices. Also check that LVM does not prevent read-write mounting (snapshots etc.) |
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| 13:38.44 | nkuttler | danielh1234: hm, getro says 0 for all devices. no lvm |
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| 13:40.44 | danielh1234 | nkuttler: did you open it with -r or --readonly? |
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| 13:41.50 | nkuttler | danielh1234: do you mean the luksOpen? no, that system has been up for weeks |
| 13:42.03 | danielh1234 | and rw access was okay? |
| 13:42.07 | nkuttler | yeah |
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| 13:42.17 | nkuttler | and it's a brand new ssd.. crap.. |
| 13:42.47 | danielh1234 | any other partitions on the ssd to test write access? |
| 13:43.47 | nkuttler | oh. the kernel doesn't know about any partitions on the disk. that's not good.. |
| 13:44.13 | nkuttler | seems like the device nodes were just left around |
| 13:45.30 | danielh1234 | maybe there are no partitions and the whole thing is one encrypted device. dmesg | grep 'read.\?only' |
| 13:46.01 | nkuttler | i think you're right, i encrypted the entire thing. the dmesg is empty |
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| 13:48.23 | Mazhive | does rsync have a cache ?? |
| 13:49.21 | Mazhive | i have a strange rsync problem.. it trys to copy a symlink which isn't there any more |
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| 13:52.20 | danielh1234 | nkuttler: maybe dig a bit deeper zgrep -i 'read.\?only' /var/log/syslog.*.gz |
| 13:53.28 | danielh1234 | Mazhive: so you copy A to B, neither has that symlink and it gets created on B? |
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| 13:55.11 | asmo_ | hello, it says "segmentation fault", idk what to do :( |
| 13:55.43 | phogg | asmo_: what says segmentation fault? |
| 13:55.52 | Mazhive | hmm i see your point now i found it i had to delete it on both sides |
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| 13:56.45 | danielh1234 | asmo_: What _were_ you doing when that happened, and what does this output: uname -a && lsb_release -d |
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| 13:57.55 | asmo_ | it says gentoo, dad installed it on my computer |
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| 13:59.13 | danielh1234 | asmo_: for Gentoo problems, you will find better help in #gentoo, type /join #gentoo |
| 13:59.38 | asmo_ | ok thx |
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| 14:13.20 | tomnor | I just got an update throught the graphical interface by restarting the computer |
| 14:13.20 | tomnor | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.20 | tomnor | But I did not have to enter my root password at any point |
| 14:13.33 | tomnor | Linux fliptop 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.25-1 (2017-05-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 14:20.23 | danielh1234 | tomnor: So some window popped up and asked you to reboot to complete updates? Or did you manually start the process and expected a password prompt? Also dpkg -s unattended-upgrades |
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| 14:23.26 | missmbob | and sudo by default remembers your password for 15 minutes. can be set to longer |
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| 14:27.02 | tomnor | danielh1234: your first sentence is the one describing my event. |
| 14:27.47 | tomnor | some window popped up... |
| 14:28.15 | Bert_2 | Hi, so we've been trying to debug some IO issues for some time now, but our setup makes it very hard. Basically we have a central file server which is 2 disks in mdadm raid1, on top there's LVM and on top of that there's NFS to several client servers. We're trying to find out which client (and preferably which user on that client, or which files) is causing some spikes in write IO wait. Now, it seems to be |
| 14:28.21 | Bert_2 | really really hard to decently monitor NFS in ... |
| 14:28.24 | Bert_2 | ... more detail. Does anyone have a good idea of how we should tackle this? |
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| 14:32.29 | tomnor | missmbob: this happend shortly after a wakeup from sleep logging in as normal user, no sudo activity for a long time before. |
| 14:32.53 | danielh1234 | tomnor: what does `dpkg -s unattended-upgrades` output? Meaning: do you have software installed that automatically updates packages? |
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| 14:35.10 | danielh1234 | Bert_2: have you tried any of `apt search nfs monitor`? |
| 14:36.04 | Bert_2 | danielh1234: of course xD |
| 14:36.37 | Bert_2 | nfswatch and nfsstat and such are really not powerfull at all |
| 14:37.07 | Bert_2 | and we can't imagine the best plan here is capturing a day of pcaps and parsing them with scripts :S |
| 14:37.10 | tomnor | danielh1234: paste.debian.net/971018 |
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| 14:39.47 | danielh1234 | tomnor: that means that - unless you changed the configuration - at least some packages are updated automagically. So it is not surprising that some program notifies you and asks for a reboot. |
| 14:40.29 | danielh1234 | Bert_2: because the output does not contain the required information at all or not in directly usable form? |
| 14:40.33 | ryzokuken | GNOME has been getting slower for me lately |
| 14:40.54 | ryzokuken | I think installing XFCE would be my best option -- would it? |
| 14:41.30 | ryzokuken | plus, if I just `apt install xfce4`, would that be enough? |
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| 14:42.40 | tomnor | danielh1234: ok, I just never experienced this before. I guess probably I opted for this during the installation or something. |
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| 14:43.15 | danielh1234 | ryzokuken: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/xfce4 'If you intend to use Xfce4 and want the full experience then installing this package and the packages it Recommends is a great place to start.' |
| 14:43.30 | g132312 | any reason the npm package was removed in stretch? |
| 14:43.53 | ryzokuken | danielh1234, what I meant was that would just installing xfce4 and using it would suffice? |
| 14:44.10 | ryzokuken | or do I need to do sth else to make my computer faster? |
| 14:44.21 | ryzokuken | do I need to make a new clean installation? |
| 14:44.25 | danielh1234 | tomnor: afaik not all updates are marked as requiring a reboot. So maybe past updates just updated those packages. |
| 14:45.05 | tomnor | when graphical windos suggest updates, one can see in details the license for a program |
| 14:45.21 | tomnor | and it links to for example: https://spdx.org/licenses/GPL-3.0+ |
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| 14:45.48 | tomnor | I find it a bit confusing that that page state it's deprecated |
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| 14:47.00 | gtcknef | +Zarthus well, we started selling child porn <=====quote from #atheme...look into this..https://paste.debian.net/plainh/d5c858f7: Sargun hank abrotman evade nicdev rdococ jubo2 Fastolph mww113 urzds Emmanuel_Chanel Velgor JPT rt subzero79 jstolarek js9600 Pwnna jonathan_x monty slowz salva BooK bub_ ledeni High_Priest theluckymike kmd blackwell koollman strive deetwelve Piggy styks1987 JohnDoh Zerant timeless JStoker LordLame1 nutr mRokita edi |
| 14:47.00 | gtcknef | +Zarthus well, we started selling child porn <=====quote from #atheme...look into this..https://paste.debian.net/plainh/d5c858f7: laven fast larks blaisebool tapout kmd wonderworld AlexZ_ OtakuSenpai `Kevin `z swordsmanz Silicium iNs nac {sd} neoclust przemoc rlange SkyPatrol Urchin nagetier tuv Anarchic jhebden scoopex xSmurf wybczu Texou sag3 r2rien thurin Ssquidly jmyrv brian_ plasticle strive vok` suffer uxfi L235 deetwelve Skyrider jaythel |
| 14:47.00 | gtcknef | +Zarthus well, we started selling child porn <=====quote from #atheme...look into this..https://paste.debian.net/plainh/d5c858f7: Al3xG0 Adbray drale2k Carno Mad_Hat Alesk13_ nhandler electrostat framling cronic littlebear steakwire cbmuser Len solarnetone eMaks Bl4ckC0re pugfantus mete abff owa flipp towo` jbobbiz webuser5224 rpcope Piper-Off c zerick thebadshepperd eldritch nix64bit nO0b ledufakademy poeticrpm kisser bluszcz p0g0 elik Zardoz |
| 14:47.00 | gtcknef | +Zarthus well, we started selling child porn <=====quote from #atheme...look into this..https://paste.debian.net/plainh/d5c858f7: kayamm cadeskywalker chrissl Yugidude1 akxwi-dave kinopu larks James_T intelux toruvinn meti jandrusk nolsen Vaanir Defaultti romano2k BooK CtrlC frostschutz joze moov michael_mbp satbyy Adbray NoRm4nD MrDetonia netkat rhizome_ vlegout Archrover komugi sphalerite tatalazo Deific fladi Zyferus lchl boxrick1 gnugr imMu |
| 14:47.00 | gtcknef | +Zarthus well, we started selling child porn <=====quote from #atheme...look into this..https://paste.debian.net/plainh/d5c858f7: Ekchuan aphorise indrora pfoo MyIgel bpsecret Croepha pugfantus sdollins JC_SoCal uda tyranny12 monpocchi awhitlock8 alfred_ hubot jushur Namidairo Diaoul Dagger Karazhan rosseaux Cisien SwedeMike datasmurf ewew Artox cmam JonathanD markand freanux gb00s alexbligh1 SwK rt lankanmon Red_M bfit naos62 dirac1 Bl4ckC0r3 |
| 14:47.07 | Yugidude1 | gfdi |
| 14:47.18 | g132312 | ? |
| 14:47.25 | jolt | Sometimes spam happens |
| 14:47.26 | NoRm4nD | ?? |
| 14:47.34 | danielh1234 | ryzokuken: What you need to make it faster depends on what makes it slow. Did you install new packages or enable services lately? Assuming Gnome did not really get slower there has to be another cause. Getting rid of whatever problem makes Gnome slower would probably be better than just switching to a more lightweight DE. |
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| 14:48.22 | ryzokuken | danielh1234, Umm, I started using hexchat which is now persistently open in the background |
| 14:48.35 | ryzokuken | + firefox is always running with atleast 5 tabs |
| 14:48.49 | ryzokuken | my system is somewhat low spec (only 4 gigs of RAM) |
| 14:49.20 | ryzokuken | maybe these applications take up too much of my system resources? |
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| 14:50.45 | Bert_2 | danielh1234: nfswatch show network stats and how many operations are performed, that doesn't tell you much about what could cause write IO wait, no way to list what operations are taking long, or even just a list of writes, we could use the source limitation to see which server is causing a lot of commands, but that would be a wild guess cause number of commands doesn't say anything about performance. nfsst |
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| 14:50.51 | Bert_2 | at is basically the same. And there isn't much ... |
| 14:50.54 | Bert_2 | ... more out there that is NFS-aware |
| 14:50.59 | ryzokuken | currently, 64% of my RAM is under use with just firefox and hexchat open |
| 14:51.07 | ryzokuken | that seems too much |
| 14:51.29 | ryzokuken | especially when I run Atom + a few terminal sessions + one/two node servers |
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| 14:52.52 | danielh1234 | ryzokuken: could be anything from hardware problems to processes hogging cpu / disk time. As for RAM 'usage' I assume you are aware of http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ ? |
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| 14:53.26 | ryzokuken | I am not. I will look it up. |
| 14:53.56 | ryzokuken | Oh, so that means maybe that much RAM is not being used? |
| 14:54.00 | ryzokuken | that's a relief |
| 14:54.03 | spacebug^ | ryzokuken: are you checking that 64% with top or free? |
| 14:54.34 | ryzokuken | spacebug^, GNOME's inbuilt "System Monitor" |
| 14:54.45 | ryzokuken | feels a lot like top/htop |
| 14:54.57 | spacebug^ | yeah |
| 14:55.21 | g132312 | any reason there's no npm in debian stretch? |
| 14:56.07 | ryzokuken | g132312, idk, use nvm and you'd probably be better off |
| 14:56.16 | ryzokuken | or maybe use the nodesource repo? |
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| 14:56.38 | ryzokuken | I use yarn, and they take nodejs from the official reps/nodesource |
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| 14:57.47 | danielh1234 | Bert_2: Assuming the load is not constant, does correlating the time of write time spikes and heavy access (e.g. as in number of commands) from nsfwatch sound feasible? |
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| 14:58.52 | g132312 | ryzokuken: thanks thats what im going to do now |
| 14:58.56 | g132312 | oh or not |
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| 15:01.44 | Bert_2 | danielh1234: we have not tried that yet, we were hoping that there would be a tool for that instead of us having to do it ourselves |
| 15:02.15 | Bert_2 | we were sorta confused how there's tools for everything on linux but not really for good performance monitoring and debugging on NFS :P |
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| 15:06.05 | ryzokuken | running xfce now, cannot find option to enable touchpad tap to clikc |
| 15:06.17 | ryzokuken | click** |
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| 15:13.15 | danielh1234 | ryzokuken: I use `xinput set-prop 'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad' "Synaptics Tap Action" 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 2, 3` which is left-middle-right for 1-2-3 fingers. The 0s are corner taps. See ftp://www.x.org/pub/X11R7.5/doc/man/man4/synaptics.4.html . as for xfce graphical tools no idea |
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| 15:13.42 | ryzokuken | danielh1234, no xinput |
| 15:13.51 | ryzokuken | apt-get install xinput should work? |
| 15:14.09 | danielh1234 | yes |
| 15:15.03 | ryzokuken | also, what's the diff b/w apt and apt-get? Which one should I prefer? |
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| 15:16.38 | BluesKaj | ryzokuken, no diff really, it's your choice |
| 15:16.41 | danielh1234 | For scripts apt-get, for interactive use apt is shorter and combines apt-get and apt-cache etc. functionality. |
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| 15:18.53 | ryzokuken | danielh1234, | â ~ xinput set-prop 12 287 1 | â ~ xinput set-prop 12 277 1 | works for me |
| 15:19.25 | ryzokuken | but 278 is the default property for 277 property |
| 15:19.35 | ryzokuken | i cannot turn it on, I get an error messafe |
| 15:19.39 | ryzokuken | message** |
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| 15:30.28 | danielh1234 | ryzokuken: I'm afraid I don't understand what is the default for what and why that is a problem. Also try using device names as the numbers may change, especially with updates or when starting with more/less devices. |
| 15:31.02 | ryzokuken | basically the 277 property is for tap to click |
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| 15:32.37 | ryzokuken | and in list-props 278 shows up under a similar name. It says, "Tap to click (default)" |
| 15:33.27 | ryzokuken | I think turning this one to 1 (its currently set to 0) will automatically turn the property on for every bootup. |
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| 15:35.17 | nix64bit | any good touchscreen setups for debian? I am on raspeberrypi |
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| 15:36.54 | dob1 | it's there an alternative to xrdp or vnc to get a remote desktop ? |
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| 15:39.05 | BluesKaj | nix64bit, not on raspbian? |
| 15:39.43 | danielh1234 | ryzokuken: I am skeptical as to the at every boot part, (default) may just mark the driver default which can not be modified. But if the option without (default) works that solves your problem, right? |
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| 15:39.48 | nix64bit | BluesKaj: actually on raspbx |
| 15:40.03 | nix64bit | but its the same issue |
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| 15:40.07 | ryzokuken | danielh1234, yes. |
| 15:40.16 | ryzokuken | i will probably add these two commands to autostart |
| 15:40.21 | ryzokuken | does that sound okay? |
| 15:41.42 | jolt | dob1: http://alternativeto.net/software/xrdp/?platform=linux |
| 15:41.46 | danielh1234 | dob1: well, you could foward your local X server. This means that killing the connection mid-session or connecting to an existing one is not an option. What's wrong with xrdp? |
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| 15:42.30 | dob1 | danielh1234, the one on jessie is very slow, and the one in backports is bugged |
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| 15:42.40 | roccopro | ciao |
| 15:42.49 | roccopro | ?list |
| 15:42.53 | dob1 | (the one in backports is the new versin, really fast) |
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| 15:43.36 | danielh1234 | ryzokuken: either that or try adding it in your xorg.conf. |
| 15:43.41 | ryzokuken | okay. |
| 15:43.44 | ryzokuken | thanks. |
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| 15:45.57 | danielh1234 | dob1: in what way bugged? I recently asked myself the same question, tried vnc, rdp, remote X and stuck to (x)rdp which works nicely for me. Even sound + file transfer. |
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| 15:46.17 | BluesKaj | nix64bit, think #raspbian chat may have some answers ...you might have a long wait for one here |
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| 15:47.19 | BluesKaj | nix64bit, or even #raspberrypi |
| 15:47.25 | dob1 | danielh1234, from what i saw: it doesn't start at boot, xrdp-sesman fails to create the pid file |
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| 15:48.28 | danielh1234 | dob1: what is the exact error message? did you find an existing bug report? could you reproduce this on a fresh install / another system? |
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| 15:49.19 | dob1 | danielh1234, now i have the old one installed, consider that i am using it on a vpn so it's not in local network and it's slow |
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| 15:54.35 | jasonwc | I'm having an issue in Debian Stretch where waking my machine from standby after a period of time results in only my secondary monitor waking up. I have to log out and back in for the primary monitor to display. I am using the nvidia-drver package (GTX 1070) and the impacted monitor is a GSync capable Acer Predator (runs at 144Hz with GSync enabled). I'm not sure if this is a Gnome or an Nvidia issue. Anyone know of a workaround? |
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| 15:57.56 | xylog | I am trying to update to the latest Debian stable release which I see is 8.8, but when I do lsb_release it says I am on 8.5 |
| 15:58.30 | xylog | I have done apt update and apt update and it seems to run fine but I cannot get to 8.8 |
| 15:58.47 | jasonwc | you mean apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 15:59.10 | jasonwc | what about apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 15:59.25 | xylog | Tried that too |
| 15:59.25 | nkuttler | xylog: you should probably read https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
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| 15:59.52 | xylog | nkuttler: Will do |
| 16:00.15 | xylog | Is lsb_release -a an accurate reflection of my subversion? |
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| 16:00.36 | nkuttler | xylog: i'd go with cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:00.58 | nkuttler | not sure how lsb works in detail, but i think the info is in some lsb* packages |
| 16:01.03 | xylog | Yeah that says 8.5, thanks |
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| 16:04.34 | xylog | I think I found the problem, missing lines from my /etc/apt/sources-list |
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| 16:13.55 | xylog | what is the best way to install openjdk-8 on jessie? |
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| 16:17.06 | bub_ | xylog: check out the packages by 'apt-cache search openjdk-8' |
| 16:17.34 | danielh1234 | use backports |
| 16:17.47 | xylog | danielh1234: ok thanx I will try that! |
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| 16:51.07 | danielh1234 | wr: apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 17:08.54 | frostie_ | when i try to backport handbrake to debian 8 jessie x64 the terminal gives: https://paste.debian.net/971039/ what do i do rong here? how do i get libhb/denoise.o ? |
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| 17:11.49 | glick | hi |
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| 17:12.06 | glick | does the wxpython package for stretch support python3 |
| 17:15.19 | BluesKaj | blitzed, check your package manager for details |
| 17:15.43 | BluesKaj | oops , glick^ |
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| 17:18.49 | teraflops | glick: which package exactly are you talking about? |
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| 17:25.06 | frostie_ | in the last line it says: ./libhb/hb_dict.h:13:21: fatal error: jansson.h: The file or directory is not available. but i have installed jansson... |
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| 17:25.41 | danielh1234 | frostie_: also libjansson-dev? |
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| 17:27.06 | frostie_ | oops looks like ive forgot it, i'll just installed it now from synaptic and i'll se how it goes |
| 17:27.39 | Waxhead | is there a reason the usrmerge package is removed from stretch ? |
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| 17:28.49 | marianna | Hi! |
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| 17:29.03 | marianna | I have burnt a live debian cd standard |
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| 17:29.22 | marianna | and I'm trying to copy some files from the computer hd |
| 17:29.29 | marianna | to the usb stick |
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| 17:30.37 | marianna | and a message prompts 'cp: cannot create directory "/media/usb0/hello": Operation not permitterd' |
| 17:31.25 | frostie_ | danielh1234 that was the issue i had not installed libjansson-dev, after installing it it worked thanks |
| 17:31.37 | localhost_ | okay got an error https://pastebin.com/UjdBTcvq |
| 17:31.51 | localhost_ | wtf is that about :) |
| 17:32.07 | mtn | marianna: research making a usb with persistance |
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| 17:32.30 | danielh1234 | marianna: `chmod 777 /media/usb0` or `chown youruser /media/usb0` if you have a fancy filesystem like ext4 on the usb stick. |
| 17:33.00 | marianna | ah, maybe its a ntfs |
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| 17:37.44 | mint | why in debian i need install packet for use wireless and in ubuntu that is debian-based and use too packet i dont need? |
| 17:38.26 | Waxhead | mint: because Debian is based on free software UNLESS you opt in for the non-free repo. |
| 17:38.29 | AlexLikeRock | because FREEDOM |
| 17:38.34 | Waxhead | yay! |
| 17:38.54 | mint | hmm |
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| 17:39.12 | AlexLikeRock | Debian <3 FreeSoftware (fundation) |
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| 17:39.22 | Waxhead | mint: besides Ubunty rymes on you-can't-you so there :P |
| 17:39.35 | Waxhead | *Ubuntu |
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| 17:40.32 | mint | thanks |
| 17:40.44 | AlexLikeRock | mint, https://www.fsf.org/about/what-is-free-software |
| 17:40.51 | AlexLikeRock | take alitle read |
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| 17:43.38 | AlexLikeRock | mint, if you dont like READ , whatch the video https://audio-video.gnu.org/video/TEDxGE2014_Stallman05_LQ.webm |
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| 18:05.05 | AlexLikeRock | and SYSTEMD it not freesoftware |
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| 18:08.46 | teraflops | AlexLikeRock: really? youre too old for this shit |
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| 18:09.23 | AlexLikeRock | Freesoftware never past of fame ;-) |
| 18:10.41 | teraflops | AlexLikeRock: I was talking about the rants, and keeping ontopic, btw I do no see systemd in nonfree repos^ |
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| 18:11.01 | teraflops | not^ |
| 18:11.26 | AlexLikeRock | in LOGs, its non -free |
| 18:11.31 | AlexLikeRock | binari ..! |
| 18:11.40 | AlexLikeRock | must can reable |
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| 18:12.38 | vadimkolchev | Hi all. Just a quick question, as I haven't found good working answer on it anywhere. Any mean of preventing screensaver from coming on while watching videos in Firefox? |
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| 18:13.51 | teraflops | vadimkolchev: it's about your DE/WM not firefox |
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| 18:18.01 | vadimkolchev | teraflops, using MATE |
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| 18:33.33 | teraflops | vadimkolchev: idk about mate. e.g gnome has an extension for disabling screen going to sleep |
| 18:34.16 | ben__ | hey |
| 18:34.29 | AlexLikeRock | use mate too |
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| 19:02.58 | HostingIT | Hey use my provider http://www.ipv6go.it or http://www.slackservices.xyz .:[ ZNC , psyBNC, sBNC, VPS VPN SHELL CloudStorage ]:. |
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| 19:39.11 | chrissl` | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.31 | AlexLikeRock | me |
| 19:39.32 | AlexLikeRock | you |
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| 19:39.42 | buu | Can anyone think of a reason http://www.microcenter.com/product/471689/Surface_Ethernet_Network_Adapter wouldn't work on a generic debian/usb connection? |
| 19:39.42 | AlexLikeRock | and debian |
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| 19:46.31 | danielh1234 | buu: yes: when there are no drivers / firmware for it. Try google with the adapter name and 'linux' / 'debian' etc. and if in doubt buy one with explicit linux support which works on Linux according to forums |
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| 19:58.09 | strk | what is squeeze ? |
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| 19:58.21 | strk | dpkg is away... what I really want to know is the date it reaced EOL |
| 19:59.11 | lendo | strk: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS |
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| 20:14.47 | francine | Hello |
| 20:15.07 | francine | Is it possible to use TPM 2.0? And if yes, how? |
| 20:16.27 | teraflops | ,v tpm2-tools |
| 20:16.28 | judd | Package: tpm2-tools on amd64 -- sid: 1.1-1 |
| 20:17.02 | francine | teraflops: Yeah, already noticed that, but it doesn't help me if the kernel doesn't have TPM (maybe it's not compiled in?) |
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| 20:17.46 | Nothing4You | i'm trying to install debian via netiso on a new machine |
| 20:17.49 | teraflops | oh, no idea I was curious if debian had it |
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| 20:18.28 | Nothing4You | due to the way the network is set up i don't use dhcp, the machines subnet is /32 and the gateway is not in the same subnet |
| 20:18.44 | francine | teraflops: iirc jessie (kernel 3.16) have the TPM modules, but not 2.0 support, and stretch (kernel 4.9) have it or not, even the kernel developers are unsure :( |
| 20:18.58 | Nothing4You | on my other machines i have it set up as pointopoint via /etc/network/interfaces, however, the installer fails saying i have an invalid network configuration |
| 20:19.25 | Nothing4You | i configured it manually via "execute shell", however, now the setup is blocking some steps because i haven't completed network setup yet |
| 20:19.48 | francine | Nothing4You: You might check your DHCP, allocating a /32 netmask doesn't sounds normal for a DHCP server, unless you have a weird NAT configuration |
| 20:19.59 | Nothing4You | as i said, i don't have dhcp |
| 20:20.18 | Nothing4You | it's a single ip assigned by a hosting provider |
| 20:20.35 | teraflops | francine: are you in stretch? zless/grep /proc/config.gz maybe you get some clue |
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| 20:20.54 | francine | Nothing4You: You might want to ask your hosting provider what the correct IP informations like address, netmask, and gateway are |
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| 20:21.50 | Nothing4You | it's a virtualized environment where i'm routing a single ip to a vm |
| 20:21.50 | francine | Nothing4You: Because /32 means a single IP address we can't really help you by resolving your issue |
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| 20:21.55 | mmar | ¸.·´¯`·.¸ A TuTtI GlI AmIcI Di #debian _«« ÇÏÅØøØø »» ¯`·.¸¯`·.¸-> |
| 20:22.09 | Nothing4You | francine: i have several machines set up the same way working fine |
| 20:22.18 | francine | teraflops: Yes |
| 20:22.22 | Nothing4You | the only difference was that i had a nat interface during setup for those |
| 20:22.42 | francine | Then you need a NAT (again) |
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| 20:22.49 | Nothing4You | i removed the nat later |
| 20:22.50 | mmar | AlLA PrOSImA BeLLi... [ÎñF£®ñø] [§¢®íÞ] |
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| 20:22.53 | Nothing4You | after configuring it manually |
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| 20:23.27 | Nothing4You | https://paste.debian.net/plain/971064 that's an example of one of my running VMs |
| 20:24.53 | francine | brb |
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| 20:30.21 | Nothing4You | if i reproduce that with the ips for the other vm but otherwise the same format using `ip addr add` and `ip route add` via shell it works just fine |
| 20:30.21 | Nothing4You | just the interface ist blocking |
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| 20:44.08 | zoomm10 | hello, my sd disk is 32G, fdisk find it 2 Tib....what happened? Disk /dev/sdd: 2 TiB, 2195571867648 bytes, 4288226304 sectors |
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| 20:50.44 | gry | hi, i have no sound in headphone, only in speakers. i checked alsamixer, it looks like this (enabling/disabling auto-mute makes no difference), |
| 20:50.55 | gry | http://imgur.com/a/rqk32 |
| 20:51.30 | Nothing4You | francine: do you still disagree with my network config? |
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| 21:12.59 | Anon1337_ | Hi, I'm trying to install the Stretch RC4 iso to HP EliteBook 725 G2 (AMD A10 Pro-7350B, AMD Radeon R6 which is essentially the FX-7500) and when I boot the GRUB is ok but everything after that is all gibberish and wild stripes. I've tried external monitor (DispalyPort) and changing the vga= parameter and nomodeset but so far no luck. Any ideas? (Both with and without firmware ISOs tried.) |
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| 21:13.21 | francine | Nothing4You: no |
| 21:13.27 | francine | And I never did |
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| 21:15.51 | Anon1337_ | Is it possible that the iso is choosing a wrong gpu firmware or something? |
| 21:17.03 | Nothing4You | francine: then what is your point? |
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| 21:19.59 | francine | Anon1337_: yes |
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| 21:20.36 | Anon1337_ | francine: can I force it to load the right firmware? and how will this affect the OS after installation? |
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| 21:23.50 | egrain | how do i find out if i'm using dhcp or not? systemctl status dhcpcd gives me: inactive. systemctl status systemd-networkd give me: inactive. any other network managers i do'nt know about? |
| 21:23.53 | Anon1337_ | francine: BTW I've previously used Fedora 24 on it and that one worked from day one. With even older mesa and kernel versions than this Stretch iso... |
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| 21:37.52 | Anon1337_ | so nobody has any idea how to fix this hell? doesnt the iso have some kind of fallback when even nomodeset fails? |
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| 21:42.37 | Anon1337_ | ok, so it seems that the Stretch EFI file doesnt work. Is that a bug? Is it supposed to not work? Anybody knows? |
| 21:43.00 | jelly | Anon1337_: it's possible iso has no firmware at all and your graphic card requires it. |
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| 21:43.23 | Anon1337_ | jelly: Even the non-free iso? Why is it EFI only problem then? |
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| 21:44.33 | jelly | Anon1337_: maybe, which installer image did you use |
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| 21:46.23 | Guest40722 | jelly: the stretch RC 4 iso (both free and non-free) and the latest non-free weekly build |
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| 21:48.54 | jelly | alright then |
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| 21:49.39 | Guest40722 | jelly: so it's a bug? Or is the efi supposed to be this buggy? |
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| 21:55.24 | ephemer0l | anyone use quassel? |
| 21:56.39 | ephemer0l | .deb should fix this http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/issues/1372 was annoying to fix the broken package from the broken init script, also old package is old |
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| 22:24.05 | precise | Hey guys, besides not being able to suspend-to-disk, are there any downsides to encrypting /swap with dm-crypt and a random key? |
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| 22:24.24 | Somelauw | Are the live iso installers also updated. I tried installing Debian Stretch a month ago, but had some issues getting it to install. I don't remember the precise nature, but it had something to do with the SSD. Has there been any progress on that. Would it be wise to try installing it again? |
| 22:25.47 | precise | Somelauw: You re-downloaded the ISO I take it? |
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| 22:26.40 | missmbob | Somelauw: live iso images arent meant to be used as installers. they have major known bugs like no efi support |
| 22:27.25 | Somelauw | I tried the installer from the main menu. |
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| 22:27.39 | missmbob | doesnt matter matter |
| 22:28.00 | Nothing4You | matter doesn't matter |
| 22:28.08 | precise | Oh, I missed that detail. |
| 22:28.24 | precise | Yeah, if it was a live USB ISO it isn't meant to be used in that manner. |
| 22:28.38 | precise | I assumed you got the DVD image. |
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| 22:29.33 | precise | brb |
| 22:29.53 | precise | back |
| 22:31.25 | tw | I've never encountered any problems using a swap device with a random key. I bet with some work you could even make it work with suspend to disk. |
| 22:33.45 | precise | tw: Yeah, I'm not too worried about that functionality. I just want to make sure there aren't any known or glaring issues. I am wiping Ubuntu and installing Debian, so I am just covering all my bases. |
| 22:35.49 | precise | WTF, this chmod setting 644 to files and 755 to dierctories isn't working on this external HDD, it just worked like 15 minutes ago. Unplugged it for a moment and now it won't take... |
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| 22:37.44 | precise | That's wierd, removing and re-adding th device by physically unplugging it and plugging it back in did the trick... |
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| 22:39.29 | slashme_wiki | Problems that go away by themselves come back by themselves. |
| 22:40.33 | precise | slashme_wiki: I know :P |
| 22:40.51 | precise | slashme_wiki: I'm not too worried about it as this system is about to get NFO, but none-the-less :P |
| 22:41.08 | slashme_wiki | :-D But of course, when things are working I usually also can't be arsed to debug with full force. |
| 22:41.17 | precise | heh |
| 22:41.58 | precise | Ubuntu errored out on an update, gave some error regarding linux-firmware not existing. I thought about it and realised I had been procrastinating on a re-install for quite some time. |
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| 22:47.45 | anadahz | Does Debian jessie keeps a backup of the partition table? |
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| 22:49.13 | dvs | anadahz, GPT partitions do automatically |
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| 22:54.25 | anadahz | dvs thx, what about MBR partitions? |
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| 22:56.12 | dvs | anadahz, no such automatic mechanism |
| 22:57.22 | anadahz | I'm on a system with deleted partitions but has all the partitions mounted, is there a way to recover the MBR partition table? |
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| 23:17.11 | TomG2 | anadahz, yeah maybe. i seem to recall there is some way |
| 23:17.36 | TomG2 | there's /proc/partitions for example, maybe you can rebuild your MBR with that information |
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| 23:55.19 | john_rambo | Videos are playing without sound ....Was playing fine under Mint >>>> https://paste2.org/MK0xBdJX |
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| 23:58.23 | phogg | john_rambo: what is your ao method? |
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| 23:59.36 | john_rambo | phogg, I am not mentioning any ao ...Dont knoe how to do that ... Just doing mplayer filename.mkv |
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| 23:59.59 | jmcnaught | does sound work in anything else? |
