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| 00:05.41 | hiole24 | hi |
| 00:05.51 | Violinist | no |
| 00:05.58 | gry | hello |
| 00:06.04 | hiole24 | im trying to use wget to download entire website but it seems like there is a big problem |
| 00:06.08 | hiole24 | hi gry |
| 00:06.12 | Violinist | how big |
| 00:06.28 | hiole24 | website is using external website to get the images |
| 00:06.50 | hiole24 | and i cant get all the images except from the first page |
| 00:06.59 | hiole24 | and when i click on the next link 2nd page |
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| 00:07.14 | hiole24 | it wont show anything like the directory is messed up |
| 00:08.05 | hiole24 | i tried using something like wget --no-clobber --convert-links --random-wait -r -p -E -e robots=off -U mozilla (link) |
| 00:08.10 | hiole24 | but its not working |
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| 00:23.02 | gry | hiole24 thanks for your patience |
| 00:23.27 | gry | hiole24 do you have an example page where I could try this? |
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| 00:25.05 | hiole24 | yes |
| 00:25.06 | hiole24 | gry |
| 00:25.21 | hiole24 | oneterabyteofkilobyteage.tumblr.com/ |
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| 00:25.59 | gry | ok hang on |
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| 00:26.38 | gry | it is downloading a lot of things; how do I check exactly where the problem is? |
| 00:27.11 | Violinist | the extrnal images will be urls |
| 00:27.19 | hiole24 | gry |
| 00:27.21 | Violinist | so whats the problem |
| 00:27.32 | hiole24 | it will only download the first page with the photos |
| 00:27.48 | Violinist | umm |
| 00:27.51 | hiole24 | but then when i click on the 2nd page there its not working |
| 00:28.14 | Violinist | because they are external links |
| 00:28.18 | hiole24 | yes |
| 00:28.27 | gry | wget downloads the page, but doesn't modify it |
| 00:28.32 | hiole24 | oh |
| 00:28.36 | Violinist | duiuuud |
| 00:28.40 | gry | so if a page has <a href="example.com/pages/2"> then it will store it as that |
| 00:28.50 | hiole24 | is there a way to download just all the images |
| 00:28.51 | mutante | wget has a --mirror/-m option, did you see that ? |
| 00:29.11 | hiole24 | i did not know |
| 00:29.27 | mutante | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.28 | mutante | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.30 | mutante | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.33 | hiole24 | i wanted to download the whole website but if i can just get the photos that would work too |
| 00:30.14 | hiole24 | mutante so should i use wget -r -N -l inf --no-remove-listing (link) |
| 00:30.15 | hiole24 | ? |
| 00:30.27 | Violinist | u need to make a scraping script out of it |
| 00:30.34 | Violinist | and not used wget |
| 00:31.29 | hiole24 | not sure how to even do this .. |
| 00:31.43 | mutante | hiole24: -m should be a shortcut for all of that. i see that you might want "-mk" if you also wante to rewrite the links to your local files. see https://fosswire.com/post/2008/04/create-a-mirror-of-a-website-with-wget/ |
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| 00:33.18 | hiole24 | mutante so wget -mk (link) ? |
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| 00:33.26 | mutante | hiole24: -H (span hosts) should do the part about images from another domain |
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| 00:34.11 | mutante | hiole24: i would try wget -Hmk <link> |
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| 00:34.30 | hiole24 | ok |
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| 00:35.06 | mutante | hiole24: there is also --domains to actively list the domains you want to include and --exclude-domains to exclude some.. in case it now gets TOO much |
| 00:35.45 | hiole24 | ok |
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| 00:41.34 | hiole24 | GnuTLS: Resource temporarily unavailable, try again. |
| 00:41.40 | hiole24 | it did stop |
| 00:41.45 | hiole24 | hmmm |
| 00:41.48 | johnkeates | but did you try again |
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| 00:44.09 | hiole24 | no because it was not working |
| 00:44.13 | hiole24 | i just looked |
| 00:44.27 | hiole24 | maybe is there a way to find where this website gets the images from |
| 00:44.33 | hiole24 | and if i can just download the images |
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| 00:51.45 | wppp | hi |
| 00:52.00 | wppp | rsync vs rdiff-backup vs rsnapshot vs that duplication thing? |
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| 00:52.24 | wppp | I got mysql dumps and a folder full with image files of different size |
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| 00:52.48 | wppp | I want to take regular + efficient backups |
| 00:52.49 | johnkeates | buy more disks and stop spending time on it |
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| 00:52.54 | ryouma | there are various duplication things, such as obnam. i prefer rsnapshot over rdiff-backup. |
| 00:53.01 | johnkeates | dedup using zfs |
| 00:53.09 | wppp | JohnDoh: indeed, but sadly no ZFS available yet :) |
| 00:53.11 | johnkeates | backup using rsync |
| 00:53.15 | johnkeates | no zfs? |
| 00:53.24 | johnkeates | it's been there for a while.. |
| 00:53.25 | wppp | it is a virtual cloud server instance thing |
| 00:53.32 | johnkeates | oh |
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| 00:53.33 | wppp | maybe they already use zfs - but I only see a disk :) |
| 00:53.43 | ryouma | btrfs can dedup i think. obnam can. and rsnapshot does, but only with the same pathname and only at the file level. |
| 00:53.44 | johnkeates | you could boot from zfs |
| 00:54.03 | johnkeates | but since you are not going to rework your os: obnam |
| 00:54.06 | wppp | johnkeates: interesting idea, I will try this with the next cloud instance, maybe I can get ZFS working in a fast VM |
| 00:54.10 | wppp | obnam, ok |
| 00:54.23 | johnkeates | ZFS doesn't need much, it really depends on the load and setup |
| 00:54.45 | johnkeates | I even use ZFS for single disks when i just want features like ssd cache options, dedup, compression etc. |
| 00:54.48 | ryouma | by same pathname i mean different snapshots of same pathname do not occupy significantly more space |
| 00:54.54 | wppp | using LVM already, I guess it shouldn't be used when ZFS is used |
| 00:55.03 | johnkeates | indeed |
| 00:55.05 | johnkeates | well |
| 00:55.05 | johnkeates | no |
| 00:55.06 | wppp | obnam vs rsnapshot? |
| 00:55.16 | wppp | there are more tools than I thought :D |
| 00:55.19 | ryouma | wppp: depends if you need block-level entire-fs dedup |
| 00:55.19 | johnkeates | you don't have to, zfs is like a merge between an LVM and a FS |
| 00:55.21 | wppp | they use rsync as lib? |
| 00:55.30 | ryouma | wppp: only rsnapshot does afaik |
| 00:55.33 | wppp | ryouma: I see, but these files are usually small enough to be handled "atomically" |
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| 00:55.43 | ryouma | then i'd use rsnapshot. done. |
| 00:55.46 | wppp | ZFS is the ultimate goal finally reached |
| 00:55.53 | wppp | file history, resilience, everything what lvm does |
| 00:55.56 | wppp | it is ... perfect |
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| 00:55.58 | johnkeates | if the files are really small.. you might actually get away with git |
| 00:56.00 | wppp | does it also support object storage? |
| 00:56.07 | johnkeates | especially if you do them in text form |
| 00:56.19 | johnkeates | and with LFS bigger files work too |
| 00:56.22 | ryouma | there are also gibak and bup |
| 00:56.23 | wppp | I see |
| 00:56.24 | johnkeates | and it has remotes |
| 00:56.25 | ryouma | which use git |
| 00:56.29 | wppp | I note that |
| 00:56.41 | wppp | so much choice :O |
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| 00:56.56 | johnkeates | i think for this case you should focus on file-level backups with regards to remotes and dedup and compression |
| 00:57.03 | wppp | more context: It is a WordPress Bedrock setup, WordPress database dump + uploads/ directory (containing uploaded + generated (different resolutions/formats) image files mostly) |
| 00:57.17 | johnkeates | it doesn't make sense to think about it block-wise since it's plaintext (mostly?) and small |
| 00:57.17 | wppp | johnkeates: yes, this would be best for this kind of setup |
| 00:57.29 | wppp | yes, the largest files aren't above 10MB |
| 00:57.29 | ryouma | if you want to be able to restore with minimum fuss, use an rsync-based solution |
| 00:57.39 | johnkeates | rsync for speed indeed |
| 00:57.40 | wppp | ryouma: but it doesn't offer incremental or versioned? |
| 00:57.48 | johnkeates | you could do dedup and compression on the remote end |
| 00:57.54 | ryouma | yes it does if you hack it or if you use rsnapshot |
| 00:57.57 | johnkeates | rsync is incremental by default |
| 00:57.57 | wppp | I mean, I may want to see the uploads/ folder 5 months ago from a rsync snapshot/backup 5 months ago |
| 00:58.10 | johnkeates | if you want versions git could be used |
| 00:58.16 | ryouma | oh, and yes rsync is incremental in that sense by default |
| 00:58.17 | johnkeates | or you could go full-fledged with backula |
| 00:58.28 | ryouma | wppp: rsnapshot |
| 00:58.39 | ryouma | it just works |
| 00:58.46 | wppp | so with rsnapshot I could look into uploads/ folder 5 months ago when the snapshot was taken 5 months ago? |
| 00:58.50 | ryouma | yes |
| 00:58.54 | wppp | and it is also efficient, with delta and all that? |
| 00:58.56 | ryouma | and even now |
| 00:59.10 | ryouma | yes, but only at the file level |
| 00:59.14 | wppp | that would be OK for me :D |
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| 00:59.24 | wppp | VersionPress is out soon and then I can store the database changes in git |
| 00:59.35 | wppp | but the upload/ folder is the main thing here |
| 00:59.52 | ryouma | there is a highly influential essay by some guy that spawned a bunch of rsync wrappers. rsnapshot is the most widely used survivor of that explosion. |
| 01:00.22 | johnkeates | there was this other program too, that does two-way sync, not sure if the same uni or author did that |
| 01:00.26 | johnkeates | can't remember the name |
| 01:00.51 | ryouma | unison |
| 01:00.57 | johnkeates | yeah, that could be it |
| 01:01.00 | ryouma | there is no versioning there |
| 01:01.03 | ryouma | afaik |
| 01:01.05 | johnkeates | yeah |
| 01:01.07 | johnkeates | true |
| 01:01.11 | johnkeates | it's not relevant to this case |
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| 01:01.25 | johnkeates | but thinking about it, we have some great tools out there to make pretty much anything possible |
| 01:01.27 | othernickinuse | whats the utility I need to use to manage the software raid that was setup during a fresh install? mdadm? google fu is failing, cant find anything definitive |
| 01:01.34 | johnkeates | yes, mdadm |
| 01:01.48 | johnkeates | if your array is in /proc/mdstat (you can cat that file) |
| 01:01.58 | johnkeates | maybe you have lvm on top of that, check with lvscan |
| 01:02.09 | othernickinuse | i can cat that file |
| 01:02.15 | johnkeates | or just get an overview of what your disks are up to with "sudo blkid" |
| 01:02.20 | johnkeates | and you'll know everything there is to know |
| 01:02.20 | wppp | johnkeates, ryouma: Thanks, I took notes. rsnapshot seems to be most suitable and efficient tool for my setup. |
| 01:02.57 | ryouma | i think so. if not, come back and ask. |
| 01:03.24 | wppp | johnkeates, ryouma: Thanks and good night. |
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| 01:03.31 | ryouma | also be sure to ... oh he's gone :) |
| 01:03.44 | ryouma | was gonna say hard links and such but nm |
| 01:05.53 | ryouma | 17:57 <johnkeates> it doesn't make sense to think about it block-wise since it's plaintext (mostly?) and small -- why does text matter for dedup? |
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| 01:17.37 | Swabby | Hello. is there a way to get Dosemu installed as a package without having to compile it? |
| 01:18.39 | mutante | Swabby: looks like yes, there is a package called dosemu |
| 01:19.21 | mutante | apt-get install dosemu |
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| 01:20.41 | Swabby | When I do a apt-get install dosemu it says no install canidate. I am running Debian 8. Do i have to add something special for it to find the package? |
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| 01:22.01 | mutante | Swabby: ah, yes, it's just in "contrib" so you would have to enable that in your APT sources.list |
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| 01:23.13 | Swabby | mutante: Thank you, I have this as one of the lines is this not it? deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian main contrib |
| 01:23.26 | mutante | for example a line my sources.list is "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main non-free contrib" so i allowed it to also install software from non-free and contrib |
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| 01:23.30 | Swabby | ahh.. there's no source |
| 01:24.04 | mutante | Swabby: also you need to run "apt-get update" after making changes to the sources.list |
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| 01:24.26 | mutante | be aware that contrib means no security updates |
| 01:24.45 | mutante | (but not like you would get them when manually compiling it, heh) |
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| 01:24.53 | Swabby | LOL |
| 01:25.21 | Swabby | actually running a old school "BBS" so it's not directly facing outside |
| 01:25.34 | mutante | so i can dial-in ? :) |
| 01:25.45 | Swabby | With Telnet ; |
| 01:25.46 | mutante | and then play DOOM ? nice |
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| 01:25.47 | Swabby | ;) |
| 01:25.57 | Swabby | haha no doom just text doors LOL |
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| 01:26.44 | likcoras | Hi, I'm running weechat 1.0.1, and any messages I send in this one irc server are shows on my client prefixed with the target, so "hi" is displayed as "#channel :hi", /version output: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/bd2c715e/ |
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| 01:27.15 | likcoras | Only weird thing about that irc server, as far as I know, is that it allows ridiculously long nicks. |
| 01:28.57 | likcoras | Oh, and topics, and channel names, apparently. |
| 01:29.26 | gry | likcoras, ask #weechat, they will help you |
| 01:30.09 | likcoras | Eh, was worried it was a known bug and was fixed in more recent versions. |
| 01:30.26 | likcoras | Apparently the version on jessie is kinda ancient. |
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| 01:30.45 | gry | I used weechat 3 years ago and it didn't have this bug, so maybe a misconfiguration. |
| 01:31.21 | likcoras | Well, it's for a specific irc server, so might be misconfiguration + exotic irc server configuration. |
| 01:31.34 | likcoras | Will ask, though. |
| 01:31.45 | gry | Thanks, and please tell what you find out. |
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| 01:38.02 | sumyunseal | coz i see and prefer libgl1-nvidia-glx |
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| 02:20.28 | imr | rolles eyes |
| 02:20.37 | imr | s/rolles/rolls |
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| 02:20.47 | nauticalnexus | I love being mentioned by spambots :P |
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| 02:33.02 | xikuukawaii | is it cool if I ask some questions here about the Debian distro or is this a RTFM type place? |
| 02:33.17 | sumyunseal | i kno rite |
| 02:33.53 | sumyunseal | they set up fkn irc server then say rtfm |
| 02:34.02 | sumyunseal | fkn nerds |
| 02:34.08 | xikuukawaii | yep it's almost pointless |
| 02:34.15 | xikuukawaii | anyways so it's cool ya? |
| 02:34.25 | sumyunseal | ok |
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| 02:34.51 | xikuukawaii | The testing/experimental branch(es) are rolling release right? |
| 02:35.04 | sumyunseal | i think so |
| 02:36.05 | xikuukawaii | and can I install a init system like openrc or runit on my machine easily? |
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| 02:36.36 | sumyunseal | not sure |
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| 02:37.09 | xikuukawaii | okay I can research that. Last question, does Debian still have that problem where software is terribly out of date? |
| 02:37.10 | sumyunseal | search for it |
| 02:37.24 | sumyunseal | apt-cache |
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| 02:37.52 | sumyunseal | yes debian is most stable system |
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| 02:38.02 | sumyunseal | its meant for servers |
| 02:38.23 | xikuukawaii | darn, well, somethings you win on somethings you lose. Thanks mate |
| 02:38.26 | sumyunseal | so it likes very old packages |
| 02:38.48 | ryouma | debian is supposed to be made for desktop purposes also |
| 02:38.55 | ryouma | backports is supposed to close the gap |
| 02:39.11 | sumyunseal | well i have a lot of VERY new stuff |
| 02:39.14 | ryouma | in practice, there are some applications that are out of date |
| 02:39.49 | ryouma | so basically backports needs more attention put into it, if we want debian to be great for desktop |
| 02:39.53 | sumyunseal | and everytihng works for me |
| 02:39.56 | mutante | xikuukawaii: i use stable on servers and testing on desktops. testing has almost always been fine for me on desktop, and it's newer |
| 02:40.17 | sumyunseal | i also have backports if i need to pull something from there |
| 02:40.23 | mutante | xikuukawaii: it feels like testing is still as stable as what others call 3.0 |
| 02:40.29 | mutante | despite the name |
| 02:40.55 | ryouma | during entire cycle? |
| 02:41.10 | sumyunseal | just stop updating lol |
| 02:41.17 | sumyunseal | backup before u do |
| 02:41.22 | sumyunseal | jfc |
| 02:41.25 | ryouma | i doubt it is stable during transitions, and i doubt it has security support that is as good as stable's security support |
| 02:41.35 | sumyunseal | u override ur packages then wonder y its broken? |
| 02:41.43 | mutante | ryouma: maybe i was lucky, maybe it's because i always buy Thinkpads and not more exotic hardware, but i havent had major issues i can recall |
| 02:41.53 | sumyunseal | even stable may be broken |
| 02:42.05 | sumyunseal | what is stable doesnt mean its stable for YOU |
| 02:42.17 | mutante | anything "may" be, yea |
| 02:42.22 | sumyunseal | exactly |
| 02:42.40 | sumyunseal | stable is the stuff u have on ur SSD that u have tried and it worked for you |
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| 02:42.44 | mutante | still, my point is, if you think it's too old, use the newer versions, it's your choice |
| 02:42.51 | ryouma | seems to me the obvious solution is a backports that keeps major applications (torrent clients, video players, etc.) up to date, but otherwise everything is stable |
| 02:43.01 | mutante | i dont think it's fair to call that "debian has the problem" |
| 02:43.02 | ryouma | (as much as possible) |
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| 02:43.14 | sumyunseal | right |
| 02:43.25 | sumyunseal | its actually ubuntu that has the problem |
| 02:43.45 | sumyunseal | i used it for like 3 months before if overflowed with so much garbage |
| 02:43.45 | xikuukawaii | ubuntu is messeddd up I agree |
| 02:44.07 | mutante | yea, and since they gave up on Unity.. what is different anyways |
| 02:44.15 | mutante | that would justify the new problems |
| 02:44.20 | sumyunseal | lol |
| 02:45.09 | mutante | i mean, eh, how many people use ubuntu server |
| 02:45.19 | sumyunseal | umm |
| 02:45.22 | sumyunseal | lol |
| 02:45.32 | sumyunseal | lots of nubs |
| 02:45.50 | mutante | maybe companies who want to have some "support contract" so a manager is happy (who doesnt know the real support is IRC and stackoverflow anyways) |
| 02:46.01 | sumyunseal | ok ill give u example about stable |
| 02:46.23 | sumyunseal | i was running wheezy for the last 5 yrs i think? |
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| 02:46.41 | sumyunseal | then steam complained after update 3 days ago |
| 02:46.46 | sumyunseal | libxcb too old |
| 02:47.08 | sumyunseal | i installed the new LTS stretch |
| 02:47.16 | sumyunseal | back in steam! |
| 02:47.27 | sumyunseal | good for the next 5 yrs |
| 02:47.45 | mutante | i see technically you had LTS until May 2018 even |
| 02:48.02 | mutante | was gonna say "but that's oldstable, not stable" but shut up |
| 02:48.05 | sumyunseal | now ur telling me ur weird lil packages r gona be more updated than steam? |
| 02:48.14 | sumyunseal | i dun think so buddy |
| 02:48.31 | mutante | sorry, i dont even know steam :) |
| 02:48.55 | sumyunseal | no i was refering xikuukawaii |
| 02:49.05 | mutante | ah :) |
| 02:49.10 | sumyunseal | steam is the portal that lets u play games |
| 02:49.13 | sumyunseal | online |
| 02:49.20 | mutante | i heard about that, gotcha |
| 02:49.43 | mutante | i play Atari 2600 and kongregate.com , lol |
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| 02:49.52 | sumyunseal | stable |
| 02:50.05 | sumyunseal | u buy it, thats it |
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| 02:50.09 | sumyunseal | no updates |
| 02:50.23 | sumyunseal | u want updates grab a screwdriver |
| 02:50.30 | xikuukawaii | Thanks peeps! Downloading debian-testing now. Gonna try to install openrc on it and make a desktop but who knows.... hahahah |
| 02:50.49 | sumyunseal | u dont make a debian desktop |
| 02:50.54 | sumyunseal | it already is |
| 02:51.06 | sumyunseal | it comes with xfce desktop |
| 02:51.14 | xikuukawaii | sumyunseal: oh what, eww |
| 02:51.19 | mutante | oh really, no more Gnome default? |
| 02:51.28 | sumyunseal | its light weight but ugly as fuk |
| 02:51.36 | sumyunseal | and fastest desktop |
| 02:51.39 | sumyunseal | btw |
| 02:51.41 | xikuukawaii | Okay, in between steps 1 and 2 I'm removing xfce and putting in pekwm or bspwm or something |
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| 02:51.47 | sumyunseal | u can install gnome |
| 02:51.51 | mutante | i would do that |
| 02:52.00 | mutante | gnome is a full desktop environment |
| 02:52.03 | sumyunseal | just type apt-get install gnome and reboot |
| 02:52.05 | mutante | as opposed to just a window manager |
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| 02:52.36 | sumyunseal | im running gnome |
| 02:52.43 | sumyunseal | xfce too ugly |
| 02:52.45 | xikuukawaii | Too much for me, all I really need is something to manage my one firefox window and 80+ terminals |
| 02:52.56 | sumyunseal | ok duude |
| 02:53.01 | sumyunseal | what is it that ur after |
| 02:53.12 | mutante | i just need the Wi-fi connect as GUI click |
| 02:53.13 | sumyunseal | u seem to like to delete stuff |
| 02:53.32 | sumyunseal | xikuukawaii, r u OCD or something? |
| 02:53.42 | mutante | editing textfiles for wifi networks is taking it too far. imho |
| 02:53.47 | xikuukawaii | sumyunseal: I am actually. |
| 02:54.01 | sumyunseal | y not build an OS |
| 02:54.03 | xikuukawaii | mutante: nonono, shell script man |
| 02:54.14 | xikuukawaii | sumyunseal: I did that a few times and got really bored with it |
| 02:54.22 | sumyunseal | jfc u need help man |
| 02:54.29 | sumyunseal | have u seen a doctor? |
| 02:54.51 | xikuukawaii | nope |
| 02:55.03 | sumyunseal | oh no |
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| 02:56.07 | sumyunseal | what i really hate about new gnome is the file manager |
| 02:56.36 | sumyunseal | it was so awesome before |
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| 02:56.42 | xikuukawaii | sumyunseal: Have you tried spacefm? |
| 02:56.46 | mutante | that part i dont really use, mv, cp in shell (terminator) seem usually easier |
| 02:57.11 | mutante | eexcept when there are websites with upload forms that expect you to drag and drop files.. then i need to open it |
| 02:57.23 | sumyunseal | i know ppl that do their email in terminal |
| 02:58.01 | xikuukawaii | sumyunseal: Those people are wonderful ^_^ |
| 02:59.26 | mutante | i hate that you cant just mount a modern Android phone as mass-storage anymore, of course that is not fault of the OS but of the phone vendors.. but it's infuriating that i have to make that MTP stuff work and then it doesn't really work and you end up spending hours on it.. before it was just connect a usb cable and pop-up and rsync to backup |
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| 03:00.16 | xikuukawaii | mutante: I think es file explorer has a could sharing option |
| 03:01.17 | mutante | i ended up having to backup with some weird backup app that uses wifi to copy it to the internet and some 3rd party.. ridiculous.. compared to rsync to my external harddisk |
| 03:02.12 | mutante | xikuukawaii: i had all kinds of issues, like the phone gets detected but then it cant list any files on it |
| 03:03.23 | mutante | went through the debian wiki page on MPT and stuff, i just recall half of it, but it took way too much time as well, and it depends on each phone model, and i dunno, maybe even cable type |
| 03:03.27 | xikuukawaii | mutante: Oh, my OEM is Asus and it comes with a program that allows you to share your files over wifi with a computer (but it pretty much has to be running windows -_-) |
| 03:04.10 | mutante | xikuukawaii: you support my point :) |
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| 03:04.32 | xikuukawaii | mutante: Ofc wkwk |
| 03:04.34 | mutante | before: USB mass storage , *pling*, click icon |
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| 03:33.10 | naicamine | I wanna make a virtual device at /dev/video0 for testing webcam output |
| 03:35.19 | naicamine | but all the pages I read talk about packages that arent available either because they are specific to ubuntu or some other distro or as with ffmpeg, have been replaced with other packages that i cant get to work |
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| 03:36.48 | missmbob | in jessie ffmpeg is in jessie-backports |
| 03:37.46 | xikuukawaii | naicamine: if you just want to use your webcam you could try mpv and point it to tv:// |
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| 03:38.11 | naicamine | i wanna make a virtual webcam bc i dont have one hooked up yet |
| 03:38.43 | naicamine | missmbob: thanks, ill have to look and see if i cant make that work |
| 03:39.06 | missmbob | ,v ffmpeg |
| 03:39.07 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.20-0+deb7u1; jessie-backports: 7:3.2.5-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.2.5-1; sid: 7:3.2.5-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:3.3.2-dmo1 |
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| 03:41.23 | missmbob | !tell naicamine about jessie-backports |
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| 04:25.57 | echosystm | when you're running stretch/testing, how long do security updates take to make their way into the main repo? |
| 04:26.07 | echosystm | (given that there is no security repo or updates repo) |
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| 04:45.51 | echosystm | anyone? |
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| 05:05.16 | TomG2 | hi echosystm. it varies, I read |
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| 05:05.49 | TomG2 | i read it in a document on the web, on the debian web site, warning about the security updates for stretch. I don't remember which one but maybe check security.debian.org |
| 05:05.55 | TomG2 | dpkg, stretch security? |
| 05:05.55 | dpkg | The testing release does not receive full security support until just before release. Up until that time, security updates can take a few days to arrive and will often be new upstream versions which may require you to spend significant time reconfiguring applications. Don't run 'testing' on things where good security support and stability are important. See <moving target>. |
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| 05:08.45 | galex-713 | Hi |
| 05:08.59 | galex-713 | How is it possible that my disk is full, and even deleting stuff it stays full? |
| 05:09.22 | nkuttler | galex-713: which files did you delete? |
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| 05:09.29 | galex-713 | a lot |
| 05:09.44 | galex-713 | some movies, some mails, logs, some unused directories from removed packages… |
| 05:10.57 | nkuttler | galex-713: what kinf of filesystem? |
| 05:11.03 | galex-713 | ext4 |
| 05:12.01 | nkuttler | galex-713: for the logs, try restarting rsyslog.. |
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| 05:12.22 | TomG2 | you can use du -ahx / | sort -h to see where your harddisk space is going |
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| 05:12.41 | galex-713 | IT WORKS |
| 05:12.56 | galex-713 | That was probably because my gigantic logs I deleted were still in ram |
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| 05:13.12 | galex-713 | like when I rm a torrent while the torrent client is still launched |
| 05:13.15 | TomG2 | well, they were probably still open |
| 05:13.24 | TomG2 | in UNIX files can remain open after they're deleted |
| 05:13.31 | galex-713 | so that explains why when I deleted those 2 2G logfiles no space were saved |
| 05:13.36 | TomG2 | usually you have to close and restart whatever program has them open |
| 05:13.39 | galex-713 | I know |
| 05:13.42 | galex-713 | like I said for torrents |
| 05:13.47 | TomG2 | that could do it |
| 05:13.48 | TomG2 | :) |
| 05:14.03 | galex-713 | rm just remove file from directory, don’t *really* delete the file |
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| 05:18.48 | pingfloyd | that is deleting |
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| 05:21.48 | pingfloyd | if a file is still open when you delete it, you can basically undelete it |
| 05:22.16 | sumyunseal | omg |
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| 05:26.30 | sumyunseal | to delete or not delete |
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| 05:29.27 | echosystm | thanks TomG2 |
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| 05:30.06 | TomG2 | echosystm, hope that helps, have a nice day! |
| 05:31.21 | sumyunseal | anyone running gnome and cairo dock and stretch |
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| 05:39.38 | sumyunseal | Niels announces release date planned for 2017-June-17 |
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| 05:48.05 | zOthix | how to debug a compiled file ? |
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| 05:48.41 | cheapie | gdb or something. Hope you have debugging symbols... |
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| 05:48.58 | sumyunseal | valgrind |
| 05:49.12 | zOthix | i meant to ask the Comand , i installed gdb |
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| 05:49.44 | cheapie | "gdb filename" then "run" |
| 05:49.59 | zOthix | Thanks ! |
| 05:50.08 | cheapie | If it crashes, do "bt". |
| 05:50.30 | zOthix | ok |
| 05:50.35 | TomG2 | and as always, rtfm ;) :) |
| 05:50.59 | TomG2 | i miss debugging and gdb... |
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| 06:14.07 | TEA16 | Hi |
| 06:14.41 | TEA16 | happy |
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| 06:19.11 | willemb | Hi. I read about 'relevant file fragmentation' on ext4 at https://events.linuxfoundation.org/slides/2010/linuxcon_japan/linuxcon_jp2010_fujita.pdf . It says e4defrag can 'fix' this with the -r flag, but I don't see -r in the man page for my version, nor in the debian changelog for the newest version |
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| 06:21.57 | willemb | never mind, looks like that feature never actually happened - http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-ext4/msg45085.html |
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| 06:48.30 | BlackBishop | so for some reason ( mongo not having enough space ) my apt-get dist-upgrade stopped .. I freed the space and stuff but now when I do apt-get -f dist-upgrade it says tons of packages aren't needed anymore and I can remove them with autoremove :| |
| 06:48.37 | BlackBishop | any ideas on how I could continue ? |
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| 06:51.40 | BlackBishop | if was interrupted in the setting up phase .. |
| 06:53.45 | BlackBishop | seems a simple apt-get install all those 3 lines of packages removes that part of the mess |
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| 07:16.39 | Freenoodle | can somebody tell me, what a "worthless" release signature is? The key is in the apt-key database, apt-get -o Debug::Acquire::gpgv=true update say the key is untrusted and the signature worthless. Why is a specific key untrusted when I don't have the same problem with other non-debian keys? |
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| 07:25.23 | tsurko | hi guys |
| 07:25.39 | tsurko | what is the 'preferred' way to setup ipsec in debian environment? |
| 07:25.48 | tsurko | i mean with what lib - strongswan? |
| 07:27.45 | tamiko | Freenoodle: A worthless signature for apt is one that is done with a revoked or expired key. |
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| 07:31.34 | tamiko | tsurko: There is probably no "preferred" way (and such a preference would be probably distribution independent). Strongswan seems to be the solution of choice lately. |
| 07:32.10 | tsurko | thanks tamiko ! |
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| 07:37.35 | nwe | I have some problem with preseeds, It´s set all configuration for my partition, but I have set default_filesystem string xfs, but it still using ext4 how can I fix this.. |
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| 08:12.36 | tais46 | is there a way to undo "cat test.txt test2.txt >> output.txt"? I would like to remove the test.txt out of output.txt (filetypes are just examples) |
| 08:14.53 | nix64bit | tais46: delet output.txt and run it without test.txt? |
| 08:15.46 | towo^work | why delete it? |
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| 08:16.11 | towo^work | cat test2.txt > output.txt and it's gone |
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| 08:17.32 | nix64bit | towo^work: it has the same effect ;) |
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| 08:42.43 | xochilpili | save it into bashrc? |
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| 08:48.39 | MeanEYE | Hi folks, anyone knows how to solve -> Error! The dkms.conf for this module includes a BUILD_EXCLUSIVE... thing? |
| 08:49.01 | MeanEYE | Can't install latest kernel without this. |
| 08:49.10 | shamoanjac | try hammering your computer several times |
| 08:49.19 | shamoanjac | the problem should eventually leave on its own |
| 08:51.34 | celyr | I HEREBY COMMAND YOU TO LEAVE MY PERSONAL COMPUTER DEAMON |
| 08:51.57 | MeanEYE | Is this really the debian channel. |
| 08:52.05 | MeanEYE | Wow, quality degraded. |
| 08:52.17 | celyr | MeanEYE, also question quality did |
| 08:52.21 | celyr | we just keep the standard |
| 08:52.57 | MeanEYE | And from those comments I was suppose to figure out that you need more information? |
| 08:53.13 | celyr | MeanEYE, eventually you did so it seems it worked |
| 08:54.05 | MeanEYE | No thanks. From community members such as these, I don't need help. More damage than use. |
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| 08:54.44 | celyr | Ok have a nice day :) |
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| 08:55.47 | abrotman | MeanEYE: which latest kernel? from source? or from packages? |
| 08:55.52 | gry | MeanEYE, how did you get this error? |
| 08:55.58 | abrotman | celyr: try to be less .. dramatic |
| 08:56.06 | shamoanjac | Understandable, have a nice day |
| 08:56.23 | MeanEYE | abrotman, gry: simple apt upgrade, Kernel is 4.9.0-3. |
| 08:56.44 | gry | this is the new one you are trying to install ? |
| 08:56.53 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 08:56.55 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.25-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1) |
| 08:57.55 | mushroom | Heyo |
| 08:58.06 | MeanEYE | gry, no, I am on testing, so it's a regular version of kernel. |
| 08:58.15 | MeanEYE | Here's the full log https://pastebin.com/yMpwqj2u |
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| 08:59.18 | abrotman | what are you building with dkms? |
| 08:59.29 | gry | that would be #debian-next at oftc ? |
| 08:59.52 | abrotman | he can try there also, yes |
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| 09:00.16 | abrotman | can you pastebin /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms: |
| 09:00.23 | MeanEYE | abrotman, nothing to my knowledge. Everything I have is from official repos. There was nVidia driver purge some days ago. And I have VirtualBox. |
| 09:00.25 | abrotman | oh, it seems to be many of those files |
| 09:00.55 | abrotman | MeanEYE: dpkg -l | grep dkms (anything you'd note in there?) |
| 09:01.05 | MeanEYE | abrotman, momen. |
| 09:01.49 | MeanEYE | abrotman, https://pastebin.com/7V1JvPbf |
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| 09:04.08 | MeanEYE | abrotman, you still need content od /header_postinst.d/dkms? |
| 09:04.33 | abrotman | no |
| 09:05.08 | abrotman | Do you use roccat? (I have no idea what that is) |
| 09:05.11 | MeanEYE | Yes, |
| 09:05.14 | MeanEYE | It's a gaming mouse. |
| 09:05.27 | abrotman | that requires a special binary kernel module?! |
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| 09:05.47 | MeanEYE | For extended support such as profile uploads and calibration, firmware upgrades, etc. |
| 09:05.48 | abrotman | wonders wtf is in that mouse .. |
| 09:06.03 | MeanEYE | Quite a nice gaming mouse with open source support. Believe it or not. |
| 09:06.07 | abrotman | So, I'm guessing you don't have to take the mouseball out once a week and clean the rollers? |
| 09:06.15 | MeanEYE | No :D I don't. |
| 09:06.32 | abrotman | can you try removing that just to see if it lets the kernel upgrae? |
| 09:06.34 | abrotman | upgraede |
| 09:06.39 | abrotman | punches his fingers |
| 09:06.41 | MeanEYE | Hm, perhaps that could be it. Since I remember now original project lead left the project. |
| 09:06.45 | MeanEYE | I think so. |
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| 09:08.37 | MeanEYE | Yup. That did it. Thanks abrotman and gry. |
| 09:09.00 | abrotman | MeanEYE: you may want to file a bug on the package so others can see that issue |
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| 09:09.07 | abrotman | or maybe the maintainer woudl have a better solution |
| 09:09.19 | MeanEYE | Gladly, which package? |
| 09:09.31 | MeanEYE | Roccat or Kernel one? |
| 09:09.36 | abrotman | I'd guess the roccat to start? |
| 09:09.40 | MeanEYE | Sure. |
| 09:09.57 | abrotman | you could also ask #debian-kernel on irc.oftc.net |
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| 09:11.22 | MeanEYE | Thanks. |
| 09:11.51 | MeanEYE | I need to check if this package is indeed coming from official Debian repo, if not, then it's hardly a problem for a maintainer. |
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| 09:31.29 | darme | ice installed cheser icon theme ( https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1012510/ ) and directory icon fallback to gnome directory icon. anyone else had this problem? |
| 09:31.46 | darme | i use thunar |
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| 10:10.18 | BluesKaj | Hey folks |
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| 10:10.55 | hell | Ok i'm pulling my hair out! I got a tplink tl-tlwn722n wifi dongle found out that dose not work. So I have gone out and got a alfa asus036ach and now I cant get that working can someone help me please |
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| 10:11.25 | hell | sorry a alfa awus036ach |
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| 10:11.57 | hell | it comes up when I lsusb but nothing when I type ifconfig |
| 10:12.48 | abrotman | firmware needed? |
| 10:13.12 | hell | I did install the drivers from the kali resp |
| 10:13.17 | hell | but still nothing |
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| 10:13.32 | danielh1234 | hell: Did you try `apt install firmware-atheros`? |
| 10:13.45 | hell | ill try that |
| 10:13.50 | danielh1234 | hell: should be ar9271.fw |
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| 10:14.28 | hell | yep I have the newist one |
| 10:15.23 | hell | I'v spent like $100 on wifi sticks that are ment to be supported but dont work lol I'm having such a bad week |
| 10:16.11 | danielh1234 | hell: Ah wait the 722n did not work and now you are trying the other one? firmware-atheros would be for the 722n. |
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| 10:16.48 | BluesKaj | hell, this is debian support , join #kali-linux |
| 10:16.51 | hell | oh yea the 722n dose not work with the new kernel |
| 10:17.27 | hell | ok but no one ever answers in there lol |
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| 10:19.28 | BluesKaj | hell, the answers you get here may not work on kali, even tho it's a derivative |
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| 10:51.28 | ForceRecon | AWUS036NH works perfectly in kali and debian oob |
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| 10:53.24 | ForceRecon | https://www.amazon.com/AWUS036NH-802-11g-Wireless-Long-Range-Network/dp/B003YIFHJY |
| 10:54.22 | ForceRecon | I have that one, but going to try this one next - https://www.alfa.com.tw/products_show.php?pc=137&ps=246 |
| 10:56.41 | ws2k3 | will debian 9 still have iptables? or is nftables the default? |
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| 11:04.17 | missmbob | it'll have both. |
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| 11:06.16 | BluesKaj | ws2k3, on stretchere, iptables is still default, nftables is available in the repos |
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| 11:06.44 | BluesKaj | err on stretch here |
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| 11:14.06 | tremolo | Oh, I probably shouldn't put off iptables->nftables as long as I did ipchains->iptables. |
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| 11:31.49 | Fallenour | Hey everybody, question for you. Looking to download debian to try it out, and Im having some issues figuring out which image I should use. Im going to test out openstack on it, if that helps any. |
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| 11:34.03 | shamoanjac | There's a small (~1GB) image available for testing as a live system |
| 11:34.17 | tremolo | Are you looking to install or run a live system from CD/DVD/BD/USB? |
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| 11:34.46 | shamoanjac | if you want to install it, I personally like using the netinstall image, as it is quite small and more practical to "carry around" |
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| 11:36.16 | tremolo | I like netinstall, but slow internet at home made it more practical to download a bluray image somewhere with a faster connection and put it on a flash disk to install at home. |
| 11:37.21 | tremolo | So now I use apt-mirror to keep a repo on an external hard drive. |
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| 11:39.26 | _root_ | hello |
| 11:39.30 | _root_ | one question. Does setting up a SIP server intails having somesort of special HARDWARE? or I could Run it on my kvm virtual server? |
| 11:41.08 | petn-randall | _root_: You can run it on any machine with a (virtual) CPU. |
| 11:41.34 | petn-randall | _root_: For example 'asterisk' is such kind of service. |
| 11:41.44 | _root_ | petn-randall, So no telephony switch hardware ..... |
| 11:42.11 | Fallenour | @tremolo Im looking to install it. This one? [ISO] debian-8.8.0-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 11:42.34 | _root_ | petn-randall, So you say I can setup a SIP server with Asterisk? |
| 11:42.45 | petn-randall | _root_: You can, but it's not a requirement. |
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| 11:42.48 | petn-randall | _root_: yes |
| 11:42.53 | Fallenour | @_root Asterisk is actually an incredible one, absolutely a solid option |
| 11:43.42 | Fallenour | Forgive my sins, but here: @_root http://draalin.com/advanced-asterisk-configuration-in-ubuntu/ |
| 11:44.00 | tremolo | Fallenour: That would do the job, but it's a KDE desktop iso and likely has packages you don't need for a server install. (no harm, just a bigger download) |
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| 11:44.45 | Fallenour | @tremolo Getting it downloaded so I can install it is all I care for. Ill start the download the Iso right away. If I have any questions, mind if I hit you guys later for help? |
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| 11:44.58 | Fallenour | Im new to debian, and openstack isnt exactly "forgiving" |
| 11:45.29 | jelly | _root_, my employer runs asterisk for the local office inside a esxi vm |
| 11:45.45 | tremolo | Of course. |
| 11:46.17 | jelly | it only hiccups for a couple seconds if we do live migration |
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| 11:46.52 | petn-randall | Yeah, SIP is not too forgiving with UDP jitter. |
| 11:47.04 | tremolo | I wanted to put in Asterisk, but was overruled for 3CX because they wanted Windows. |
| 11:47.38 | danielh1234 | Fallenour: maybe an unpopular opinion here but the easiest Openstack setup I had was with http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/ WARNING: as per warning on that page this will screw with your system so use a throwaway VM, and it is only meant for testing / development, not production. |
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| 11:49.04 | tremolo | So, I'm really liking ZFS math... SIZE: 4.53T, USED: 29.3T, FREE: 3.50T |
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| 11:49.29 | danielh1234 | yeah, "used" |
| 11:51.12 | tremolo | It's a heavily-redundant backup archive with deduplication enabled. |
| 11:51.32 | BluesKaj | I know this is offtopic, but is it possible to setup VOIP software on a pc and make it work without one's ISP finding out , and does one need special HW to do this or can it be software driven and controlled ...just curious :-) |
| 11:52.42 | jelly | BluesKaj, why would isp care? They do let you install hangouts or skype, which both do voip as well as video |
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| 11:53.45 | jelly | there's open source sip and webrtc software |
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| 11:53.54 | BluesKaj | jelly, not everyone has a computer, some just have lqandline phones |
| 11:54.03 | BluesKaj | landline |
| 11:54.26 | jelly | so you're asking about voip solutions that have connectivity to pots |
| 11:54.45 | jelly | that usually isn't free |
| 11:54.45 | BluesKaj | ues |
| 11:54.49 | BluesKaj | yes |
| 11:55.03 | BluesKaj | yeah, I suspected that |
| 11:55.11 | Fallenour | @tremolo yea ZFS is definitely going for the Nobel on Math |
| 11:55.53 | Fallenour | The good news is, at least ZFS is unlikely to die. "Build it like a mach truck, doesnt have to be smart" -ZFS Developer |
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| 11:56.51 | teraflops | BluesKaj: hhm, I think some voip providers used to give phone number for free, you can setup a SIP using e.g asterisk |
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| 11:57.48 | teraflops | I do have a couple of NY phone numbers from callcentric |
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| 12:00.08 | teraflops | incoming calls are free, calling is pretty cheap |
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| 12:00.11 | BluesKaj | teraflops, I was mainly just curious and I didn't thik it would be easy. It's not really worth it anyway , my VOIP phone service is excellent and cheap, compared to Ma Bell. |
| 12:00.40 | BluesKaj | here in Canada |
| 12:00.54 | teraflops | BluesKaj: well, asterisk can be a bit trick, but there're a lot of web based admin tools |
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| 12:01.18 | teraflops | tricky^ |
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| 12:02.03 | _root_ | jelly: Do you have any idea about the RAM and CPU that Asterisk needs? |
| 12:02.35 | teraflops | BluesKaj: that's what we do where I work, we have a bunch of phone numbers, our people when they are travelling use voip from their smartphones picking a local number |
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| 12:09.37 | teraflops | _root_: it depends, but you can run asterisk on a old rpi model b at home even with a web frontend and all the candies |
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| 12:15.11 | _root_ | I need some guide to set asterisk up. I have been bitten a lot with incomplete and outdated webpages and forum posts. |
| 12:15.22 | fadavi | whats work of "wpa_supplicant" service? |
| 12:15.41 | _root_ | could you give me some online documents on how to setup asterisk? |
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| 12:15.50 | _root_ | teraflops, ^^ |
| 12:15.52 | teraflops | _root_: hmm |
| 12:16.00 | tremolo | fadavi: wireless network |
| 12:16.06 | _root_ | fadavi, it connects you to your AP |
| 12:16.37 | _root_ | your wireless acees point like wifi hotspot modems 3G/4G ..... |
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| 12:19.03 | fadavi | _root_, tremolo: i've some problems with wpa_supplicant.. please visit: https://pastebin.com/kT5eRxRt |
| 12:19.34 | teraflops | _root_: I'd start with some ready-to-work solution first, then fixing any problem you're facing one by one. once youre ok, you dont even need a gui or a pre-built solution |
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| 12:20.15 | teraflops | asteriskNOW, freepbx and so on |
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| 12:22.49 | domovoy | hi |
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| 12:26.06 | domovoy | i'm setting up icecast2 to run in a chroot. What is the better for giving any program running in a chroot access to the files it needs? copying each of those (and put some system in place to update that with each system update), or a "mount --bind" for every directory which _all_ the files are needed? |
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| 12:30.52 | petn-randall | domovoy: Is the chroot a different OS version than your main OS? |
| 12:32.27 | domovoy | petn-randall> no |
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| 12:32.45 | tremolo | fadavi: I haven't worked with wpa_supplicant in a few years, so I'm probably not much help... but does p2p-dev-wlp2s0 exist? |
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| 12:32.54 | petn-randall | domovoy: Then I'd just run it on your main OS. |
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| 12:34.54 | fadavi | tremolo: device name of my wireless card is wlp2s0. "p2p-dev-wlp2s0" is equivalent of wlp2s0? |
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| 12:36.28 | xochilpili | where's config about my eth0 ? |
| 12:36.42 | xochilpili | i think is configured by default with NetworkManager |
| 12:36.58 | xochilpili | in /etc/network/interfaces i have nothing |
| 12:37.38 | rozie | it should be in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:38.09 | rozie | if you have network manager - it may handle configuration dynamically |
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| 12:38.33 | rozie | not sure where configuration of network manager is stored |
| 12:39.33 | tremolo | fadavi: I'm not sure where the "p2p-dev-" comes from. |
| 12:39.41 | xochilpili | is here: /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections |
| 12:39.44 | tremolo | xochilpili: /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ |
| 12:39.46 | tremolo | ha |
| 12:40.25 | BluesKaj | or in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf |
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| 12:40.39 | tremolo | fadavi: What version of wpa_supplicant are you running? |
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| 12:41.03 | fadavi | tremolo: v2.4 |
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| 12:44.24 | tremolo | How do you have your network configured, fadavi? (Manually, NetworkManager, etc.) |
| 12:45.18 | fadavi | tremolo: i was using NetworkManager. now, NM could not connect to my WiFi network and i'm using wicd. |
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| 12:46.03 | tremolo | Is NM fully stopped/removed? |
| 12:46.11 | xochilpili | since a fresh install of debian networkmanager configured a "Wired connection 1", then i just wanted to know how to edit their preferences from /etc/NetworkManager/system-connection/Wired\ connection\ 1 |
| 12:46.19 | fadavi | tremolo: i've disabled that. |
| 12:46.36 | xochilpili | then when i edit it, and restart the service, creates a "eth0" and there's also "Wired connection 1" |
| 12:46.39 | xochilpili | wtf? |
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| 12:47.35 | xochilpili | and now there is not a file called eth0 in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connection/ |
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| 12:56.11 | tremolo | I'm not sure then :| |
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| 12:57.04 | tremolo | xochilpili: Did you change this line: id=Wired connection 1 |
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| 13:01.53 | lovelybac0n | Is this the most popular debian hangout? |
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| 13:02.37 | _root_ | So no good help about asterisk online? |
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| 13:03.39 | alkain8023 | Hey, i have a question: i can't find a file when i ls -al, but it finds it when i do locate filename. i tried to xdg-open /path/to/file but it says it can't find it. any idea why is this? |
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| 13:04.46 | lovelybac0n | what's the command you want to run the file with? |
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| 13:05.49 | xochilpili | tremolo, no i did not |
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| 13:06.07 | petn-randall | _root_: Have you tried looking at the documentation on the asterisk website? |
| 13:06.12 | xochilpili | this new "eth0" connection was created when i did : service NetworkManager restart |
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| 13:06.20 | xochilpili | tremolo, ^ |
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| 13:07.21 | tw | alkain8023: locate database is probably out of date, sudo updatedb to fix locate. The file probably does not exist. |
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| 13:09.51 | alkain8023 | tw: yea, it's gone. ty |
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| 13:11.25 | tremolo | Wish I knew why my connection was so flaky. |
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| 13:26.45 | lovelybacon | I thought my move from arch to debian testing would be harder. It's been really easy. Older versions of programs but other than that I really like my setup now. |
| 13:28.08 | tremolo | Bear in mind that Stretch is about to go Stable and Testing may have some issues once it does. |
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| 13:29.30 | lovelybacon | Heard that, but how bad are these transitions. |
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| 13:30.59 | tremolo | Well, basically like upgrading to Sid last time I did it. |
| 13:31.23 | greycat | I'd be shocked if Big Fancy Difficult Things like GNOME don't break when the floodgates open. |
| 13:32.27 | tremolo | A clean install of Sid is one thing, but upgrading to it from Stable is another. |
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| 13:32.39 | greycat | There's no such thing as a "clean install of Sid". |
| 13:32.41 | shtrb | but that is a fun thing to do |
| 13:32.46 | lovelybacon | I'm on openbox. Think I go back to stretch for the release as I'm not that well versed in debian yet. |
| 13:32.53 | shtrb | to upgrade from testing |
| 13:32.55 | lovelybacon | thanks for the warning |
| 13:33.15 | _root_ | petn-randall, right now; I considered it the only source. |
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| 13:36.20 | tremolo | That's a bit harsh. |
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| 13:38.39 | tremolo | mini.iso or debootstrap seem to do the job. |
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| 14:05.27 | OS-29528 | !bob |
| 14:05.27 | dpkg | i heard bob is the almighty spleened one. |
| 14:05.51 | OS-29528 | !alpha |
| 14:05.52 | dpkg | WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. http://www.debian.org/ports/alpha/ http://alphalinux.org/wiki/ #alpha on irc.freenode.net. Debian 6.0 ("Squeeze") drops official support for the Alpha architecture. See also <qotd230>. |
| 14:06.03 | greycat | Please use /msg if you want to ask the bot random questions. |
| 14:06.54 | OS-29528 | !alpha |
| 14:06.54 | dpkg | WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. http://www.debian.org/ports/alpha/ http://alphalinux.org/wiki/ #alpha on irc.freenode.net. Debian 6.0 ("Squeeze") drops official support for the Alpha architecture. See also <qotd230>. |
| 14:07.19 | OS-29528 | !beta |
| 14:07.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beta is software ready to be tested, or a high energy electron or short for Betamax, a defunct video cassette standard |
| 14:07.49 | OS-29528 | !helpdesk |
| 14:08.02 | OS-29528 | !JD |
| 14:08.02 | dpkg | well, jd is Jimmy Galbally (mailto:jimdude@eidosnet.co.uk), or a superb human being |
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| 14:08.23 | nkuttler | !msg the bot |
| 14:08.24 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . Also ask me about <judd>, which is another bot and window into the Ultimate Debian Database. |
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| 14:09.41 | shtrb | !tell dpkg about private room for you and OS-29528 |
| 14:10.01 | lovelybacon | Ha. That's why you have one server window open. |
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| 14:10.15 | lovelybacon | ops |
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| 14:23.12 | Haohmaru | it turns out those transcend "jetflash" usb sticks were defective.. |
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| 14:23.37 | Haohmaru | two of them stopped working |
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| 14:30.25 | user____ | plz explain #aptitude update output >"Current status: 2 updates [+2], 489 new [+6] |
| 14:30.55 | lovelybacon | Why use aptitude in the first place? |
| 14:31.02 | greycat | some people like it |
| 14:31.26 | user____ | i am used to it |
| 14:31.32 | johanmlg | Hello! Im going to build a new workstation and will use 3 x 4k screens. I need one (or more) graphic cards. I want something that is easy to install and wont break on each kernel update. I dont need any 3d performance but want a snappy desktop. Should I go with AMD or Nvidia? Any specific recommendation? |
| 14:31.43 | lovelybacon | use apt |
| 14:32.21 | user____ | ok wat is meaning of 489 new [+6]? |
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| 14:32.58 | lovelybacon | what branch? |
| 14:33.13 | shtrb | johanmlg , check the usb adapaters, they are propierty and they don't release updates so often |
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| 14:33.31 | shtrb | hdmi to usb , so kernel upgrades will not breake them :) |
| 14:33.47 | user____ | jessie |
| 14:33.57 | user____ | stable |
| 14:34.48 | lovelybacon | Not that I have any clue but it seems like new packages are a count from jessie and the +6 in brackets are the ones you can update. |
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| 14:35.19 | user____ | ok |
| 14:35.41 | johanmlg | shtrb, thanks, but isnt that really slow though? |
| 14:35.44 | lovelybacon | Not that I know but that makes sense to me. |
| 14:35.51 | user____ | fine |
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| 14:36.44 | lovelybacon | user____, looking forward to stretch? |
| 14:36.53 | shtrb | johnmlg , It was ok for my setup (but two screens only) once and not a 4K |
| 14:37.04 | user____ | yeah i'm waiting the stable one |
| 14:37.13 | user____ | *for |
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| 14:37.39 | shtrb | johanmlg , I think you can check how it behave at some of the "stores" where they have that devices plugged in |
| 14:38.26 | user____ | any official date of release for stretch? |
| 14:38.30 | shtrb | I'm not alking about usb monitors , but about the hdmi to usb adapers |
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| 14:38.34 | shtrb | !topic |
| 14:38.43 | shtrb | user____ , look at the topic |
| 14:38.43 | johanmlg | shtrb, yeah, but I cant check how that behaves with Debian. Thats my main concern :) |
| 14:39.14 | shtrb | it's closed source , expect less than what they show you :) |
| 14:39.36 | lovelybacon | user____, 17th so saturday. |
| 14:39.48 | user____ | gr8 |
| 14:39.49 | shtrb | yes , there are also parties to visit |
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| 14:42.09 | lovelybacon | I'm kinda disappointed in this release except the Ian tributes. No fanfare all all. |
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| 14:42.34 | shtrb | what more would you like ? |
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| 14:43.10 | greycat | I wouldn't mind if someone besides me would put stuff on https://wiki.debian.org/NewInStretch |
| 14:43.34 | greycat | the NewInJessie page was terrible, too |
| 14:43.44 | Fallenour | hey guys, whats the shortcut keys for a terminal window in debian? I already tried ctrl + shift + T |
| 14:43.49 | lovelybacon | Except proper press kits and spokesholes all over spreading the word? Just some celebration. |
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| 14:44.21 | greycat | Fallenour: that's an issue for your window manager or desktop environment, not "debian" |
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| 14:45.55 | Fallenour | @greycat so it is ctrl+shift+T? Im not crazy right? |
| 14:46.42 | greycat | What desktop do you use? GNOME? KDE? Xfce? Something else? |
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| 14:47.43 | tremolo | I've been setting mine up to use alt+f1... habit I picked up while I was in school. |
| 14:47.55 | Fallenour | im on generic debian |
| 14:48.03 | Fallenour | ALso, its not recognizing sudo, do, or adduser |
| 14:48.06 | Fallenour | im realyl confused here |
| 14:48.35 | greycat | sudo is not installed by default. su to root and install it, if you want it. |
| 14:48.37 | shtrb | Fallenour , debian stable ? are you root to use adduser |
| 14:49.24 | greycat | I don't know what "do" is supposed to be. It's not a normal Unix command. That's why shells use it as a keyword in their while/for loops. |
| 14:49.37 | Fallenour | @shtrb 8.8.0, Im trying to use sudo to do adduser, or use adduser to add myself to sudo so I can use apt-get update |
| 14:49.46 | lovelybacon | huh? |
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| 14:49.57 | greycat | Fallenour: use 'su' to get a root shell, then install sudo |
| 14:50.05 | Fallenour | it wont let me update on the fresh install, it wont let me use sudo, |
| 14:50.06 | Fallenour | OH! |
| 14:50.08 | Fallenour | its SU |
| 14:50.08 | shtrb | Fallenour , get root by running su , |
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| 14:50.44 | shamoanjac | quick question |
| 14:50.49 | shtrb | no answer :D |
| 14:50.55 | lovelybacon | No, you need in install sudo and edit the sudoers file. SU is root. |
| 14:50.58 | shamoanjac | does the Wine project have an official IRC channel? |
| 14:51.06 | greycat | #winehq |
| 14:51.15 | shamoanjac | oh, makes sense, thanks |
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| 14:52.32 | lovelybacon | sudo in installed by default. I don't understand this question. |
| 14:53.00 | shamoanjac | you're not in the sudo group by default on Debian |
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| 14:53.21 | shamoanjac | which is probably why it "doesn't let" Fallenour use sudo |
| 14:53.28 | lovelybacon | Fallenour, are you logged in as root trying to run a sudo command? |
| 14:53.36 | Fallenour | dear lawd, you debian guys |
| 14:53.48 | lovelybacon | Dear lord, you |
| 14:53.51 | Fallenour | at least its secure, theres that |
| 14:54.03 | lovelybacon | not the way you use it |
| 14:54.09 | Fallenour | LOOOL |
| 14:54.32 | lovelybacon | arch troll? |
| 14:54.35 | Fallenour | gonna try and get my feet wet before I try to use wrenches to bolt it down |
| 14:54.37 | Fallenour | nnooo |
| 14:54.43 | Fallenour | im an ubuntu guy |
| 14:54.44 | greycat | lovelybacon: the sudo package has priority "optional". It is NOT installed by default. |
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| 14:55.45 | oo_miguel | how does grub determine which kernel is set as default boot option? the one with the highest version number? I installed an alternative realtime kernel, for playing with audio (jack in particular) but I would still like the debian stock kernel do stay as default boot option. |
| 14:55.56 | lovelybacon | greycat, funny as I could use sudo after adding my user to the sudoers file after an fresh netinstall. |
| 14:56.08 | greycat | oo_miguel: Highest version, unless you add custom stuff in the grub config. |
| 14:56.12 | Fallenour | I gotta say though, out of the box config, sudo not considered, Id have to say debian has a much better, and far more well thought out initial install and config |
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| 14:56.42 | greycat | lovelybacon: then you selected some task other than "Standard". Perhaps one of the desktop environments drags it in. |
| 14:57.06 | oo_miguel | greycat: I would like to skip kernels containing the string "-rt", and not beeing considered as default boot option |
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| 14:57.23 | cheapie | greycat: I think debian-installer installs sudo if you create a user during the install. |
| 14:58.13 | lovelybacon | solved |
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| 14:58.42 | Linux_Adventure2 | hello. I am having to adjust the screen brightness on my laptop everytime I log in. How can I make the system remember the screen brightness level last set i.e set in the last login? |
| 14:58.45 | greycat | cheapie: you mean if you *don't* give a root password. |
| 14:59.09 | cheapie | greycat: ...yeah, it was probably that. |
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| 14:59.42 | Linux_Adventure2 | does anyone have any suggestion for the above problem? |
| 15:00.05 | shtrb | What DE and is it on tty also ? |
| 15:00.22 | lovelybacon | greycat, How did you install your debian install? |
| 15:00.31 | Linux_Adventure2 | xfce |
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| 15:01.22 | shtrb | xrandr could do the trick , but maybe there is more sane way |
| 15:01.48 | Linux_Adventure2 | does anyone know the solution for the above issue? |
| 15:01.49 | shtrb | xrandr -output LVDS0 --brightness 1 |
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| 15:02.03 | shtrb | Linux_Adventure2 ^ |
| 15:02.12 | lovelybacon | No need to go full Xorg as it's clearly an xfce problem. |
| 15:02.27 | greycat | lovelybacon: netinst image on a shiny disc, manually partition, install Standard + OpenSSH server, boot, install other stuff I want using apt-get |
| 15:02.29 | shtrb | :D |
| 15:02.48 | shtrb | lovleybacon , I'm taking that expression |
| 15:03.01 | Linux_Adventure2 | I want to be able to set the screen brightness through the power manager icon and want the system to remember it. |
| 15:03.12 | lovelybacon | greycat, same except ssh |
| 15:03.24 | lovelybacon | shtrb, go for it :) |
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| 15:03.34 | shtrb | Linux_Adventure2 , #xfce or a script |
| 15:04.02 | Linux_Adventure2 | but, not set it to a particular level. I mean, if I change the brightness level, I want the system to remember it. I am a newbie. |
| 15:04.08 | shtrb | also acpi-XXX packages will put your brighness to low if no power |
| 15:05.04 | shtrb | Linux_Adventure2, did you install acpi-support ? |
| 15:06.19 | Linux_Adventure2 | shtrb, how can I check that? |
| 15:06.29 | shtrb | check the scripts from /usr/share/doc/acpi-support/examples (the good debian people seem to ignore systemd scripts and that is a good thing) |
| 15:06.34 | Linux_Adventure2 | shtrb, or how can I install that? |
| 15:06.42 | shtrb | apt-cache policy acpi-support |
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| 15:06.59 | shtrb | it dimm the screen , if that is not installed it is not the cause of it |
| 15:08.32 | Linux_Adventure2 | shtrb, there is a folder by name acpi-support-base |
| 15:08.32 | shtrb | also from /etc/acpi/events |
| 15:09.08 | Fallenour | So ive got su working, as root, cant reach network. Network config is known good. IP set, broadcast set, network set. no internet connectivity. Is there something Im overlooking? Also, the gw is configured properly as well. |
| 15:09.21 | Fallenour | network is generic 10.0.0.0 netwokr, gw is 10.0.0.1 |
| 15:09.22 | shtrb | Fallenour , default gw |
| 15:09.24 | Fallenour | nothing fancy |
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| 15:09.42 | Fallenour | @shtrb didnt that get configured during the initial setup though when it asked me for the gateway? |
| 15:09.50 | Linux_Adventure2 | shtrb, there is a folder /etc/acpi/events |
| 15:10.10 | Linux_Adventure2 | shtrb, what shall I do now? |
| 15:10.12 | shtrb | Linux_Adventure2 , yes , that is what will happen during this events |
| 15:10.15 | lovelybacon | Fallenour, Except that you're running as root? Nothing fancy. |
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| 15:10.34 | lovelybacon | Fallenour, Your at a point you don't want to be. |
| 15:10.35 | Fallenour | but I need root in order to update dont I? |
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| 15:10.48 | shtrb | Linux_Adventure , I hope not making you go all acpi but you may edit that files |
| 15:11.14 | shtrb | find what causes the dimming and change it |
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| 15:11.52 | lovelybacon | Fallenour, Sudo gives temporary root to users but your running as root all the time. You run a browser as root on the internet. It's beyond stupid. |
| 15:12.14 | greycat | that's why most desktop environments do NOT let you login as root in the first place |
| 15:12.17 | shtrb | "bash: cd: /root: No such file or directory" that is going to be a good day :-( |
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| 15:12.39 | medivih2 | hi |
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| 15:13.46 | shtrb | Fallenour, working as root is an quevivlanet of giving a 5 yearold access to the football, everything may be good but one small error and the world as we know it go bye bye |
| 15:13.57 | Linux_Adventure2 | shtrb, I have installed xbacklight and set the brightness to the required level at 30. But, the problem is every time I log in it is set at 30. I want to be able to set the level using the power manager gui icon and want the system to remember whichever level I have set it to. |
| 15:14.21 | Fallenour | @lovelybacon im not logged in as root though, Im attempting temporary priv escalation so I can do basic updates so I can start installing packages. Right now it wont even let me use ifconfig |
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| 15:14.28 | greycat | working as root is the equivalent of working in Windows, where all of your mistakes break the entire system instead of just your home directory |
| 15:14.54 | Fallenour | I understand browsing the internet as root is stupid, 10 years of security has run me through the whys of that. What I dont understand is why something as basic as ifconfig isnt working |
| 15:14.55 | shtrb | greycat , nope on windows you have UAC (sudo on drugs ) and permissions |
| 15:15.05 | greycat | Fallenour: 'su', 'apt-get install sudo', 'exit' ... then add yourself to the sudo group if you haven't already, log out and back in. |
| 15:15.32 | shtrb | Fellenour , what does route -n give you , can you ping your router ? |
| 15:15.48 | shtrb | Fellenour , did you setup your /etc/resolve.conf to have proper DNS |
| 15:16.02 | Fallenour | @greycat that would be fantastic, except for the fact its telling me network is unreachable, even though I know the IP is proper |
| 15:16.08 | greycat | The ifconfig command is in /sbin so you may need to do PATH=$PATH:/sbin if you want to run it as non-root. |
| 15:16.11 | Fallenour | It cant even ping the 10. gateway, much less reach internet |
| 15:16.16 | Linux_Adventure2 | guys, any solutions? |
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| 15:16.45 | Fallenour | @greycat ahh, Ill have to try that. Its working as root, so thats a plus, I wont need it once things are up and running, ill be running salt and puppet for most of my management |
| 15:17.04 | Fallenour | @shtrb let me check that real quick |
| 15:17.10 | shtrb | Linux_Adventure2 , I think you need some app for that |
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| 15:17.16 | Fallenour | route is empty |
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| 15:17.24 | shtrb | than no default gw is setup |
| 15:17.30 | Linux_Adventure2 | shtrb, please suggest one. |
| 15:17.31 | shtrb | route add default gw XXXX |
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| 15:17.51 | shtrb | Linux_Adventure2 , sorry can't help you without making you going full Xorg :-( |
| 15:17.58 | Fallenour | @shtrb I already tried that, it says "network is unreachable" |
| 15:17.59 | lovelybacon | Fallenour, aaaahh. Debian has this thing that you can't see some programs unless you run them with sudo. I have yet to learn how that it and how it works. I'm just a poor arch migrant. |
| 15:18.15 | ZeldaAndLink | Hi. The question I still have for weeks is why are many linux distributions are using (or have moved to) MariaDB instead of using (or keeping) MySQL? What's the advantage over MariaDB? |
| 15:18.33 | shtrb | Fallenour , you may had an incorrect ip ( not in your subnet) |
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| 15:18.48 | Linux_Adventure2 | shtrb, what is going full xorg? |
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| 15:18.55 | Fallenour | @zeldaandlink from what I was told, mariadb is part of mysql |
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| 15:19.09 | Fallenour | whether thats true or not, I cannot speak to it, DB is voodoo magic to me. |
| 15:19.13 | shtrb | You know going postal ? well going Xorg is worse :) |
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| 15:19.38 | Fallenour | But I will say it worked when I configured openstack with mysql on ubuntu, so *shrug* |
| 15:19.40 | Linux_Adventure2 | shtrb, It may not be for a newbie like me, then. |
| 15:19.41 | zykotick9 | lovelybacon: /sbin isn't in regular user's PATH - typically if you use the full path like "/sbin/ifconfig" it works... |
| 15:20.31 | lovelybacon | zykotick9, That's it. Thanks mate. |
| 15:20.37 | celyr | never really got why ifconfig it's not in path |
| 15:20.44 | celyr | anyway it's deprecated nowadays |
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| 15:21.12 | greycat | The answer to "why" is usually "because it's always been that way". |
| 15:21.15 | celyr | you should use ip |
| 15:21.39 | greycat | End users weren't expected to run ifconfig so it was put in /sbin. |
| 15:21.56 | shtrb | Linux_Adventure2 , do you have "xfce brightness panel" ? |
| 15:22.25 | Fallenour | @shtrb @greycat Im in /etc/network/interfaces, my eth0 is fully configured, with 10.0.0.0 network, and gateway configured with 10.0.0.1, with ip of .100, what gives? |
| 15:22.27 | Linux_Adventure2 | shtrb, I think acpi support was not installed. I have installed it now. Let me test that. |
| 15:22.41 | Fallenour | dumb question |
| 15:22.44 | shtrb | also check xfce4-power-manager-plugins |
| 15:23.09 | shtrb | Fallenour , route add default gw 10.0.0.1 |
| 15:23.19 | Linux_Adventure2 | shtrb, where? where should I check that? |
| 15:23.36 | Linux_Adventure2 | I am a linux newbie. Please guide me. |
| 15:23.41 | Fallenour | how do I check which interfaces are up or down? |
| 15:23.56 | shtrb | the meter I have no idea (somewhre in the gui) , the packages with apt-cache |
| 15:24.05 | Fallenour | @shtrb already tried that, it says network not available |
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| 15:24.10 | shtrb | Fallenour , ifconfig or ip |
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| 15:24.57 | shtrb | Fallenour , "ip address" |
| 15:25.10 | Linux_Adventure2 | shtrb, it is already installed. |
| 15:25.11 | shtrb | and look into the state field |
| 15:25.18 | Fallenour | @shtrb how do I change the interface state from down to up |
| 15:25.23 | lovelybacon | It's kinda telling how noone adopted ip |
| 15:25.25 | shtrb | ifup or ifconfig up |
| 15:25.28 | Fallenour | I just realized the link is down for some reason |
| 15:25.30 | greycat | ifconfig eth0 up |
| 15:25.51 | shtrb | lovelybacon , what do you mean ? |
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| 15:26.09 | Fallenour | @shtrb @greycat cannot allocate memory? |
| 15:26.12 | shtrb | Linux_Adventure2 , you would need to see how how to add "apps" in the panel |
| 15:26.20 | shtrb | Fallenour WTF |
| 15:26.26 | greycat | The ip command is supposed to replace ifconfig etc. but whoever wrote the syntax and the documentation for it was on crack. |
| 15:26.29 | Fallenour | @shtrb Im not even shitting you. |
| 15:26.39 | Fallenour | the error is "cannot allocate memory" |
| 15:26.44 | Fallenour | Its got 32 GB of ram |
| 15:26.53 | Linux_Adventure2 | shtrb, thanks a lot. Let me restart and check that. |
| 15:26.58 | shtrb | post dmesg / /var/log/syslog |
| 15:27.04 | shtrb | not here on some paste site |
| 15:27.12 | shtrb | Linux_Adventure , sorry I can't help more :-( |
| 15:27.28 | lovelybacon | shtrb, The syntax is wrong, like all of systemd. Everyone remembers ifconfig but not an single soul remembers ip a |
| 15:27.29 | Linux_Adventure2 | shtrb, why? |
| 15:28.01 | greycat | we only know ifconfig because we used it on commercial Unix systems for 20 years before using it on Debian |
| 15:28.11 | greycat | They're both utterly stupid. |
| 15:28.20 | Linux_Adventure2 | I will come back later. |
| 15:28.30 | shtrb | Linux_Adventure2 , because you didn't get a full solution yet |
| 15:28.32 | greycat | When they wrote ip and DIDN'T make it non-stupid, it was the biggest missed opportunity in years. |
| 15:29.13 | Fallenour | only thing I can see is a failed to load bnx2/bnx2-mips-09-6.2.lb.fw |
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| 15:29.17 | lovelybacon | greycat, I don't agree. We remember it because the words give context. Ip gives none. |
| 15:29.18 | Fallenour | am I missing a driver? |
| 15:29.19 | shtrb | greycat , what would be non stupid ? |
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| 15:29.38 | shtrb | Fallenour maybe , what is that device ? |
| 15:29.46 | Fallenour | its a dell r610 |
| 15:29.49 | greycat | shtrb: simple and consistent syntax for the most common features, and a way to specify WHICH FIELDS you want as output for scripting. |
| 15:29.55 | Fallenour | intel NIC |
| 15:30.00 | greycat | shtrb: a man page that an ordinary person can read |
| 15:30.33 | Fallenour | @greycat @shtrb would the command be: ip eth0 up |
| 15:30.45 | shtrb | You already told me once that I have stockholm syndrome so I will not say what I think about it :) |
| 15:30.45 | Fallenour | or some iteration of iface? |
| 15:30.58 | shtrb | Fallenour no! |
| 15:31.14 | shtrb | Fallenour , ifconfig eth0 up or ifup eth0 |
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| 15:31.19 | greycat | Fallenour: if "ifconfig eth0 up" is failing with memory allocation errors, you need to find out why |
| 15:31.27 | jelly | Fallenour, what are you trying to do? "ip link set dev eth0 up"? |
| 15:31.50 | lovelybacon | ME |
| 15:31.51 | shtrb | Fallenour are you on docker / virtualization ? |
| 15:31.56 | lovelybacon | MEHHHHH |
| 15:32.15 | Fallenour | @shtrb its all physical |
| 15:32.16 | shtrb | brb |
| 15:32.26 | greycat | shtrb: Pretend you're a Debian novice, and you want to learn what your MAC address is, and you know that you can run "man ip" to see the documentation for the ip command. Figure out how to get it to tell you your MAC address. Go. |
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| 15:32.40 | lovelybacon | Everything is phsycicallycy |
| 15:32.50 | Fallenour | @jelly yes, set the interface to UP status. Right now all the itnerfaces show as DOWN. If its down, it wont work regardless |
| 15:33.08 | tremolo | greycat: ip maddress |
| 15:33.15 | Fallenour | @jelly cannot allocate memory AHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 15:33.27 | jelly | right |
| 15:33.35 | greycat | tremolo: and how did you get that from "man ip" |
| 15:33.35 | jelly | Fallenour, what does dmesg say |
| 15:33.37 | lovelybacon | I'm out. Laters |
| 15:33.52 | Fallenour | @jelly it just says the bnx error |
| 15:33.58 | Fallenour | @jelly question. |
| 15:34.04 | greycat | tremolo: in fact, the man page says that's the "multicast address", NOT the MAC. |
| 15:34.05 | jelly | Fallenour, pastebin the last 200 lines |
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| 15:34.15 | shtrb | greycat , apropos ip and from that |
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| 15:34.24 | tremolo | I ran "ip" and saw "maddress" in the list. Never made it as far as the manual. |
| 15:34.54 | Fallenour | is there a firmware update that doesnt roll native to the initial install? Like nic drivers? @jelly I cant. I cant ssh to the box, and no network connectivity. I could sneaker net or take a photo? |
| 15:35.02 | greycat | tremolo: also, when I actually run that, I get 5 different things that syntactically look like MAC addresses, for one interface. I don't even know what I'm seeing. |
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| 15:35.34 | jelly | Fallenour, photo is fine |
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| 15:35.43 | shtrb | greycat , I mean how hard is it to do man ip , ip link from there |
| 15:35.52 | tremolo | See, I don't have to pretend. :D |
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| 15:36.07 | greycat | shtrb: well, personally I get stuck when I search for MAC and see "Pattern not found" |
| 15:36.08 | shtrb | link/ether ? |
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| 15:36.57 | greycat | Searching for link give me "OBJECT ... link - network device." |
| 15:37.04 | greycat | Which is not very helpful. |
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| 15:37.08 | jelly | Fallenour, some cards with those chips require firmware-bnx2, and some do not; if you're on a server board you'll probably want it installed. |
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| 15:38.31 | shtrb | Is the poor soul need to install a firmware to have his ethernet device up ? |
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| 15:39.21 | jelly | Fallenour, non-free firmware is not included in debian by default, you need to either get it from non-free repo, or provide it during install, or use unofficial netinst images with firmware included when installing |
| 15:39.32 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 15:39.32 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. From Debian 9 "Stretch", DVD1+firmware is also available. |
| 15:39.33 | greycat | (For the record, the correct answer is to run "ip link", and then to manually find the MAC address buried in the rest of the output. There is no way an end user can easily figure that out. E.g. tremolo gave a wrong answer.) |
| 15:40.10 | jelly | "ip a" shows hw address as well |
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| 15:40.53 | jelly | but yeah ip l is probably the canonical way to ask for it |
| 15:40.56 | greycat | OK, true. And yet, nothing in the man page gives any hint that you can do that. |
| 15:41.31 | Fallenour | @jelly how do I get the bnx drivers? |
| 15:41.37 | Fallenour | @jelly via usb? |
| 15:42.06 | jelly | Fallenour, you already have drivers, just need firmware in place and a reboot (or unload the kernel module and load it back after firmware is installed) |
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| 15:42.42 | jelly | Fallenour, get firmware-bnx2 package appropriate for your debian release (or really your kernel version) |
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| 15:43.31 | jelly | eg. https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-bnx2 if you had stretch installed |
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| 15:44.20 | jelly | Fallenour, usb, cd, iDRAC, whatever |
| 15:45.02 | jelly | is it DRAC or iDRAC on that dell, I don't know |
| 15:45.04 | Fallenour | @jelly whats the command for USB? Do I need to configure it to pull from the sources.list or do I just need to do something and point it at usb? |
| 15:45.18 | Fallenour | @jelly its iDRAC |
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| 15:45.47 | jelly | Fallenour, if your system is installed already, you need to get the .deb package with firmware into that system somehow, and install it (with dpkg) |
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| 15:45.55 | shtrb | just say "drek" it would describe it enough |
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| 15:46.28 | jelly | if your system is not installed yet, I strongly suggest using images with firmware to install it |
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| 15:46.54 | Fallenour | @jelly thats what Im asking, would I get that .deb package on a usb, and then.... Hmm... at this point that seems easier. Which image would I use that already has it? |
| 15:47.07 | jelly | shtrb, I haven't dealt with dell a lot, surely it can't be much worse than iLO or IMM/AMM |
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| 15:47.09 | ^CeLL^ | is there anyone willing to help me |
| 15:47.14 | ^CeLL^ | hi |
| 15:47.21 | shtrb | jelly , drek mean shit in many languages |
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| 15:48.13 | ^CeLL^ | is it possible to host a website using bind9 and nsupdate? |
| 15:48.22 | jelly | Fallenour, you'd get it to an usb, mount it over there, and dpkg -i /path/to/blah.deb |
| 15:48.24 | ^CeLL^ | i would like some help! |
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| 15:48.44 | nummy | Is it possible to launch debian installation from usb but use/install with the latest 4.11 kernel? I ask because I need the best AMD Ryzen support and it seems to be better supported in the 4.11 kernel. |
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| 15:49.00 | Fallenour | @jelly Ill need to install debian on another 4 servers after this one. Is there another image I can use instead? WOuld that be a better option? |
| 15:49.23 | jelly | ^CeLL^, bind9 is dns server software; nsupdate is a tool to automatically update dns records. |
| 15:49.36 | jelly | Fallenour, it would be a lot simpler, yes |
| 15:49.41 | shtrb | jelly , I think iLO is the same shit (but at least it is not called i shit ) |
| 15:49.48 | Fallenour | @jelly lets do that instead, which image should I get? |
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| 15:50.05 | Fallenour | That seems like itll save a lot of heartache |
| 15:50.09 | jelly | Fallenour, see what dpkg said about firmware images, above |
| 15:50.18 | jelly | are you installing jessie or stretch? |
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| 15:50.52 | Fallenour | @jelly I honestly dont care. Whichever really. I just want it to work so I can install openstack on it. |
| 15:50.53 | jelly | shtrb, ilo works rather well. |
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| 15:51.11 | ^CeLL^ | jelly i have dinamic external ip |
| 15:51.13 | jelly | Fallenour, which one does your choice of openstack build support? |
| 15:51.27 | shtrb | jelly , I mean dreck litterly mean shit or garbage |
| 15:51.30 | jelly | Fallenour, do you think you can install openstack on just any debian? |
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| 15:51.43 | ^CeLL^ | jelly i would like to make a website |
| 15:52.01 | jelly | or even that debian is the best supported choice of platform for openstack? |
| 15:52.04 | ZeldaAndLink | I'm so happy that I got no answer |
| 15:52.09 | ZeldaAndLink | Friendly community |
| 15:52.13 | ^CeLL^ | but the ip changes and i would like to update it automatically |
| 15:52.21 | shtrb | ZeldaAndLink you were to polite |
| 15:52.27 | shtrb | *too polite |
| 15:52.42 | ZeldaAndLink | It was just a question why you have choosen MariaDB |
| 15:52.47 | jelly | ^CeLL^, I think nsupdate is only relevant if you have control of your dns servers. |
| 15:53.08 | greycat | !mariadb |
| 15:53.09 | dpkg | MariaDB is a community-developed fork of <MySQL>, intended as backward compatible drop-in replacement. Packages are available for Debian 8 "Jessie" and later releases. https://mariadb.org/ #maria on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:53.12 | ^CeLL^ | jelly on one machine i would install bind9 |
| 15:53.26 | ZeldaAndLink | Not a answer to my question |
| 15:53.27 | ^CeLL^ | having full control of it |
| 15:53.31 | jelly | ^CeLL^, that machine would need to be on internet 24/7/365 with a static ip |
| 15:53.34 | ^CeLL^ | i'm a newbie |
| 15:53.39 | shtrb | ZeldaAndLink mysql is dead long live MariaDb |
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| 15:54.01 | shtrb | ok not really dead .. |
| 15:54.06 | ZeldaAndLink | shtrb: Since when is MySQL dead? |
| 15:54.12 | ^CeLL^ | it has a internal static ip |
| 15:54.13 | shtrb | it was an expression |
| 15:54.14 | Fallenour | @jelly I didnt make any of these decisions honestly. Im just following based on whats in prod, and trying my best to roll with what they asked for.Honestly even the openstack guides only provide installs for ubuntu, centos, and openSuSE as per the official install guides |
| 15:54.14 | greycat | wishful thinking? |
| 15:54.20 | jelly | ZeldaAndLink, sometimes, noone present has an answer for a particular question. |
| 15:54.21 | shtrb | brain fart |
| 15:54.25 | jelly | !ask |
| 15:54.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:54.36 | nummy | is it possible to install debian stretch from scratch with a different kernel (say 4.11?) |
| 15:54.42 | ZeldaAndLink | jelly: Don't teach me how to ask |
| 15:54.55 | shtrb | ZeldaAndLink , Maria and MySQL are close enough |
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| 15:55.21 | velix | I'm so exited... and I just can't hide it ... 2 more days. |
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| 15:55.28 | greycat | nummy: if you want to make a custom installer, maybe try #debian-boot on OFTC (not here) |
| 15:55.37 | Violinist | i need asking lessons |
| 15:55.40 | nummy | thanks greycat |
| 15:55.41 | jelly | ZeldaAndLink, sorry, it's just that your expectations of volunteer support seem to require some teaching |
| 15:55.55 | ZeldaAndLink | jelly: no |
| 15:55.57 | tx | A shame the release party in Australia is @ Hobart. :( |
| 15:55.58 | jelly | don't take it as patronizing |
| 15:56.05 | Violinist | ZeldaAndLink, he is getting paid for this |
| 15:56.17 | ZeldaAndLink | Violinist: who? |
| 15:56.19 | shtrb | Paid for what ? |
| 15:56.20 | jelly | it's just sometimes there's a better place to get an answer than here |
| 15:56.27 | Violinist | jelly, |
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| 15:56.35 | jelly | Violinist, i wish! |
| 15:56.39 | ZeldaAndLink | Violinist: I see |
| 15:56.40 | Violinist | paid to troll on irc |
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| 15:57.14 | shtrb | ZeldaAndLick , mysql-server is in the reps so what is the issue again ? |
| 15:57.18 | ZeldaAndLink | jelly: So you say, there are better places than here to ask the DEBIAN community/team why they have choosen MariaDB over MySQL? What a stupid answer lol |
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| 15:57.37 | jelly | ZeldaAndLink, yes, like our mailing lists |
| 15:57.42 | greycat | shtrb: "transitional" |
| 15:58.01 | ZeldaAndLink | shtrb: It's not. mysql-server is a meta package for mariadb |
| 15:58.16 | jelly | ZeldaAndLink, a lot better than this one channel on freenode. Most #debian* channels are on OFTC network now. |
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| 15:58.51 | greycat | Oh hey, maybe I can put that on NewInStretch |
| 15:59.03 | Spec | Yes, the freenode support channel is probably not the best place to get ideological answers |
| 15:59.15 | greycat | If there actually *is* a nice mailing list post that explains the rationale, that would be lovely. |
| 15:59.16 | ZeldaAndLink | True |
| 15:59.19 | ^CeLL^ | jelly so you say that it's not possible to set up bind9 and nsupdate for a website when all machines are on the same network! using the same external ip's but with different internal ip's? |
| 15:59.23 | jelly | greycat, don't blog about it, Zelda' would have to read BLOGS instead of getting a free answer on irc |
| 15:59.29 | tx | The MariaDB thing is quite interesting. |
| 15:59.35 | Fallenour | @zeldaandlink hey man dont be rude. If you got a mysql question, check out #mysql its their project not debians |
| 15:59.36 | ZeldaAndLink | jelly: Trolling me? |
| 15:59.42 | petn-randall | ZeldaAndLink: Deriding someone's response to your question is not really helping. Try to be more constructive. |
| 15:59.50 | tx | As a developer, even if it's "100% compatible", the configuration settings are not 100% the same between the two servers |
| 16:00.14 | tx | and so you won't get the exact same experience, but I suppose doing a major update of mysql would also result in similar things happening. |
| 16:00.17 | jelly | ^CeLL^, authoritative dns server for a domain has to be on a fixed address. |
| 16:00.18 | petn-randall | ^CeLL^: If you're running Raspbian, you should stay there with your question. This channel is only for Debian proper (not derivatives). |
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| 16:00.44 | ZeldaAndLink | I am constructive. I ask the Debian project why they've moved to MariaDB, and I only get answers like "try the mailing lists" or "ask in #mysql" ... What's that for a answer? I'm asking the Debian project why they have choosen, the mySQL project or whatever havs nothing to do with your decision ... |
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| 16:00.46 | ZeldaAndLink | Hell! |
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| 16:01.04 | tx | ZeldaAndLink: Perhaps nobody in here knows. |
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| 16:01.10 | jelly | ZeldaAndLink, you're not asking the debian project, you're asking a subset of volunteers left on freenode |
| 16:01.10 | tx | IRC is real-time, not everyone is in here always. |
| 16:01.11 | greycat | ZeldaAndLink: no, you are asking a channel full of Debian users |
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| 16:01.34 | shtrb | ZeldaAndLink, there are many reasons I think that Orcale's ownership contributed to that |
| 16:01.34 | tx | just googling it returns a swaithe of mailing list threads |
| 16:01.34 | jelly | ZeldaAndLink, and you're being told where a better place to ask would be |
| 16:01.36 | tx | a blog post too! |
| 16:01.49 | ZeldaAndLink | I'm asking a channel full of trolls it seems, Debian ha got more and more crappy over the years and the supports has gone very bad. Fuck you! |
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| 16:01.54 | shtrb | debian just joined others that did that before |
| 16:01.57 | tx | haha |
| 16:02.02 | jelly | oh noes, a ragequit |
| 16:02.07 | shtrb | ZeldaAndLink is that a proposal ? |
| 16:02.13 | dob1 | hi, about "nftables is available as a replacement for iptables. See this nftables blog post for details. " what this mean? iptables will still be there? |
| 16:02.20 | dob1 | in stretch i mean |
| 16:02.22 | tx | Unbelievable, you guys should be paid less, $0 is clearly too much. :P |
| 16:02.23 | ^CeLL^ | petn-randall asking doesn't hurt.. as far as i know the tools are the same |
| 16:02.40 | shtrb | tx , we actually paying to be here ... |
| 16:02.45 | tx | yes |
| 16:02.48 | jelly | tx, we should be hunting for their answer on mailing lists instead of them! |
| 16:02.49 | tx | internet, electricity etc. |
| 16:02.53 | shtrb | for power , internet access and our time |
| 16:02.55 | shtrb | yes |
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| 16:03.15 | shtrb | is waiting to the shitstorm of mssql on debian soon ... |
| 16:03.23 | tx | is that being packaged? |
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| 16:03.32 | shtrb | yes , but not by debian |
| 16:03.36 | tx | ah |
| 16:03.51 | shtrb | checked their eula , didn't like it and went back to windows |
| 16:04.03 | tx | Yes, the MariaDB migration has a bit to do with Oracle. |
| 16:04.09 | shtrb | MSSQL on windows , but a native MSSQL would be great |
| 16:04.18 | tx | It's a shame they keep touting 100% compatibility even though it's not quite true. |
| 16:04.26 | jelly | should have gone with percona instead :> |
| 16:04.54 | tx | Lest we hope that the discerning user reads the change logs |
| 16:05.05 | tx | and that their system still operates correctly after the update. |
| 16:05.15 | jelly | release notes are enough for that |
| 16:05.18 | Violinist | its today guys |
| 16:05.20 | Violinist | the release |
| 16:05.25 | tx | what time? |
| 16:05.27 | Violinist | \o/ |
| 16:05.29 | tx | it's 2:05am here on a Firday. |
| 16:05.30 | jelly | Violinist, nope |
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| 16:05.34 | Violinist | damit |
| 16:05.40 | tx | 18th isn't it? |
| 16:05.48 | Violinist | u guys killed it |
| 16:06.01 | jelly | Violinist, do you have a debian question? |
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| 16:06.09 | Violinist | maybe |
| 16:06.23 | jelly | then ask it, or keep quiet |
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| 16:06.59 | jelly | you want to chat and be excited, but have no tech issues to solve or help with? Go to #debian-offtopic |
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| 16:14.19 | Violinist | i will submit a formal complaint |
| 16:15.12 | john_rambo | I am getting this error when trying to install ntp >>> https://paste2.org/mDnBwcJ1 |
| 16:16.07 | Violinist | r u root |
| 16:16.15 | john_rambo | Yes |
| 16:16.26 | jelly | john_rambo, pastebin the output of "ls -ld /etc/group* /etc/gshadow*" and "lsattr /etc/group* /etc/gshadow*" |
| 16:16.58 | Violinist | thats a weird one |
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| 16:16.59 | jelly | error code 10 from groupadd, as manual says, is "cannot update group file" |
| 16:17.18 | Violinist | seems like u messed up ur system |
| 16:17.24 | Violinist | not an ntp issue |
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| 16:17.55 | jelly | Violinist, I'm quieting you for 1 hour, try to avoid spreading misinformation after that |
| 16:18.38 | john_rambo | jelly, https://paste2.org/HmUMJajc |
| 16:19.13 | jelly | john_rambo, this is one command: ls -ld /etc/group* /etc/gshadow* |
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| 16:19.58 | john_rambo | jelly, https://paste2.org/g24FaOGV |
| 16:20.17 | chris27 | Could someone please tell me how I can have a working dictionary on debian or any distro without needing an internet connection? |
| 16:20.48 | chris27 | What packages do I need? |
| 16:20.52 | jelly | john_rambo, alright, and: lsattr /etc/group* /etc/gshadow* |
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| 16:21.35 | john_rambo | jelly, https://paste2.org/a9728XaH |
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| 16:22.09 | jelly | john_rambo, okay. Can you delete /etc/group+, and run "dpkg --configure -a" |
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| 16:22.54 | jelly | there's nothing obviously wrong in with those files |
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| 16:23.44 | john_rambo | jelly, https://paste2.org/PAgwX7yA |
| 16:24.39 | jelly | john_rambo, there's your cause, something's very weird with the filesystem state if it doesn't let you move /etc/group+ away |
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| 16:25.16 | jelly | john_rambo, are there any leftover dpkg processes from before? Does this situation persist after a reboot? |
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| 16:25.29 | john_rambo | jelly, rebooting |
| 16:25.49 | jelly | # mv /etc/group+ /home/debian/ |
| 16:25.49 | jelly | mv: cannot remove ‘/etc/group+’: Device or resource busy |
| 16:26.21 | BluesKaj | chris27, initially you'll need an internet connection to use this repository but once dwonloaded it's there for use on your HDD, https://askubuntu.com/questions/170775/offline-dictionary-with-pronunciation-and-usages |
| 16:26.30 | jelly | second time I've seen unlink(2) do EBUSY recently |
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| 16:27.54 | BluesKaj | chris27, the dictionary is on the your drive , the repos can be deleted if you want |
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| 16:29.53 | chris27 | BluesKaj, thanks i will try it |
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| 16:30.32 | shtrb | Oh hi BluesKaj |
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| 16:31.18 | BluesKaj | Hi shtrb |
| 16:31.23 | jelly | chris27, maybe install something like dict-gcide and use it? Found via "apt-cache search dictionary" |
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| 16:32.08 | john_rambo | jelly, After a reboot ntp installed without any errors but time is still not in sync |
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| 16:33.36 | jelly | john_rambo, is there a -g in /etc/default/ntp in NTPD_OPTS ? |
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| 16:33.57 | BluesKaj | oops , may be I gave bad advice there, i'd better get used to looking for debian sources, not ubuntu.:/ |
| 16:34.23 | centrx | Debian rulez! |
| 16:34.31 | jelly | john_rambo, if there is, it will step the clock once it establishes a stable sync with public ntp servers |
| 16:35.02 | john_rambo | jelly, https://paste2.org/2jHpFcH4 |
| 16:35.17 | jelly | so that's a "yes" |
| 16:35.32 | john_rambo | Okay I better wait then |
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| 16:35.44 | jelly | john_rambo, how much is that clock off |
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| 16:36.25 | john_rambo | Its 9:55 pm here and clock shows 13:36 jelly |
| 16:36.38 | jelly | john_rambo, what does "date --utc" say? |
| 16:36.38 | john_rambo | 12:36 |
| 16:37.13 | john_rambo | jelly, # date --utc Thu Jun 15 16:36:54 UTC 2017 |
| 16:37.18 | jelly | that's correct |
| 16:37.33 | jelly | john_rambo, which timezone are you supposed to be in? |
| 16:37.46 | john_rambo | jelly, Asia/Kolkata |
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| 16:38.12 | jelly | $ TZ=Asia/Kolkata date |
| 16:38.12 | jelly | Thu Jun 15 22:07:54 IST 2017 |
| 16:38.19 | jelly | that's not 9:55pm |
| 16:38.40 | jelly | john_rambo, what does "date" and "TZ=Asia/Kolkata date" say? |
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| 16:39.44 | jelly | your system's clock is correct now. Timezone may be set incorrectly. |
| 16:39.46 | john_rambo | jelly, https://paste2.org/xx29O8N5 |
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| 16:40.18 | john_rambo | How do I set Asia/Kolkata ? jelly |
| 16:40.23 | jelly | !tz |
| 16:40.23 | dpkg | A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "service postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
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| 16:41.29 | john_rambo | jelly, Done ...waiting for time to sync |
| 16:41.48 | fadavi | how can i solve "PCIe Bus Error"? |
| 16:41.59 | fadavi | `$ journalctl | grep pcieport` => http://paste.ubuntu.com/24865565/ |
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| 16:42.09 | jelly | john_rambo, it's synced already, you want to log off and back on to see the new value in your shell |
| 16:42.27 | Fallenour | @jelly @shtrg @greycat I think I got it |
| 16:42.50 | john_rambo | jelly, It just changed to the correct time .. Thanks a lot |
| 16:42.51 | jelly | fadavi, that sounds like a hw issue, which debian release is this? |
| 16:42.53 | shtrb | what ? |
| 16:42.56 | shtrb | what did you do ? |
| 16:42.59 | Fallenour | The issue was the file "firmware" didnt install from the ISO properly, and all the firmware files were all showing as 0kb, and when I downloaded this: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/jessie/current/ |
| 16:43.02 | Fallenour | it fixed the issue |
| 16:43.11 | shtrb | ohh |
| 16:43.15 | Fallenour | I went into the USB based install built by rufus |
| 16:43.15 | jelly | !win Fallenour |
| 16:43.15 | dpkg | Congratulations, Fallenour! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 16:43.29 | fadavi | jelly: im on ubuntu :( but no answer in #ubuntu channel... |
| 16:43.32 | shtrb | !win shtrb |
| 16:43.32 | dpkg | Congratulations, shtrb! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 16:43.36 | shtrb | where is my money ?? |
| 16:43.38 | Fallenour | and then I took the firmware files from that, and then replaced all the firmware files with those |
| 16:43.40 | jelly | Fallenour, rufus is known to mess up debian installers, avoid it if at all possible |
| 16:44.33 | jelly | fadavi, ask in ##linux then, or install Debian. We do not support derivative distros in here, due to a number of social and technical issues. |
| 16:44.36 | Fallenour | @jelly lesson definitely learned, but yes, for future reference so everyone knows, the indicator is the BNX in the dmesg, and the initial tshoot check after is the firmware folder in the root dir of the install media |
| 16:45.08 | fadavi | jelly: youre right :) thanks. |
| 16:45.48 | jelly | shtrb, ask Violinist, he thinks people in here get paid |
| 16:46.19 | shtrb | It was about the fact that dpkg said I won a prize :) |
| 16:47.01 | shtrb | needs a solar panel + battery + invertor for his laptop and prefer that dpkg would pay for it |
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| 16:48.15 | jelly | !nopony shtrb |
| 16:48.15 | dpkg | shtrb: http://www.brainfuel.tv/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/nopony.jpg |
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| 16:50.35 | shtrb | jelly , I don't think a pony can generate enough elctricity to power my laptop :) |
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| 16:51.16 | centrx | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d_FvgQ1csE |
| 16:51.30 | centrx | "Vermin Supreme: When I'm President Everyone Gets A Free Pony" |
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| 16:53.45 | Spec | shtrb: a single pony almost certainly could power your laptop with the right amount of torque on a wheel / dynamo |
| 16:54.06 | shtrb | Spec , ponies need to be fed |
| 16:54.14 | tx | just be sure you either have additional ponies or batteries |
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| 16:54.19 | tx | during the off-peak period (sleep)_ |
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| 16:54.31 | Spec | laptops have batteries themselves, although linux does its best to use up all the powers :P |
| 16:54.52 | tx | Interesting, I have found linux to be _way_ more power efficient. |
| 16:54.56 | Spec | yeah? |
| 16:55.06 | Spec | i bet it depends a lot on ACPI support of the various bits of hardwares |
| 16:55.43 | greycat | Depends on what you do. |
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| 16:56.13 | greycat | Mining for bitcoins while running Dwarf Fortress in a compositing window manager while ... |
| 16:56.17 | shtrb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:56.45 | Spec | when compiz first came out, my nvidia card would enter some low-cpu sleep cycle which meant not enough gpu to do fast window switches, it was really annoying. the workaround on debian was to query the video card every 5s which would keep the mhz up to max -- which of course killed batteries |
| 16:57.11 | shtrb | speaking of speks is ~67C for a laptop hardisk is overheating |
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| 16:57.33 | Spec | that's pretty warm, but https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-temperature-does-it-matter/ |
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| 16:57.48 | shtrb | thanks |
| 16:57.58 | jelly | doesn't matter what I do, this thinkpad will do 3 hours tops on linux even idle, and 5 hours on windowses |
| 16:58.11 | Spec | jelly: i have found similar anecdotes |
| 16:58.22 | shtrb | jelly , did you tried dropping power , backlight etc ? |
| 16:58.37 | r4mpage | jelly: my thinkpad works fine with Linux, I run Arch Linux though. |
| 16:58.41 | r4mpage | jelly: T440s |
| 16:58.44 | jelly | no, I just ranted on irc and did not try anything! |
| 16:58.50 | jelly | ... |
| 16:59.02 | shtrb | jelly , rant is always better :) |
| 16:59.10 | shtrb | there is always something we can miss |
| 16:59.44 | shtrb | it's not something magical , something takes power , it may be the wifi being chatty (had that with intel on N ) or cpu on max |
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| 17:08.44 | r4mpage | shtrb: it is usually USB and devices kept alive, rather than suspending when on batteries. Few things can we tweaked with powertop and stuff. |
| 17:09.02 | r4mpage | now, care when suspending the SATA link and things like that to avoid data corruption. |
| 17:09.26 | r4mpage | should keep notes and all the tweaks I made for mine |
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| 17:09.58 | r4mpage | also... some programs such as Firefox may do few more syncs() than expected, that extra I/O also takes battery. |
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| 17:11.16 | Fallenour | hey guys, local US upstream for debian is ftp.us.debian.org right? |
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| 17:11.27 | greycat | !jessie sources.list |
| 17:11.28 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 17:11.38 | greycat | ftp.us.debian.org is yet another DNS round robin |
| 17:11.44 | greycat | you can use dig or host to see what it resolves to |
| 17:12.29 | greycat | Also, it's a Debian mirror, not "upstream". "Upstream" refers to the people who actually write and distribute software, like GNU or the Apache foundation. |
| 17:13.10 | knstn | One question: i have a file in /usr/sbin and i have set these permissions: -rwsr-xr-x. 1 root root I'm pretty sure i should be able to execute it without sudo, but i can't |
| 17:13.33 | greycat | invoke it with the full pathname, /usr/sbin/foo or add /usr/sbin to your user's PATH |
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| 17:14.40 | knstn | I have it in my user's path, and i also invoke it with full path = no success |
| 17:14.54 | greycat | What's the exact command you run, and the exact error? |
| 17:15.45 | knstn | it's a script to control the bandwidth of the NIC (wondershaper) |
| 17:15.47 | jelly | knstn, not that linux kernel does not obey setuid bits on scripts |
| 17:15.49 | jelly | note* |
| 17:15.59 | greycat | I would've got to that eventually... |
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| 17:16.08 | jelly | knstn, did you set that setuid bit yourself? |
| 17:16.16 | greycat | setuid bits only work on compiled programs, not scripts with a shebang interpreter |
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| 17:16.27 | Fallenour | ALRIGHT |
| 17:16.32 | knstn | Ahhhh,i see.Thanks. Yes i set it as root |
| 17:16.32 | Fallenour | im in, its on, I can do stuff |
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| 17:16.47 | shtrb | Fallenour , not as root I hope |
| 17:16.53 | Fallenour | but back to the drawing board, ive got my default gw and its set |
| 17:17.04 | shtrb | do you have network access ? |
| 17:17.07 | jelly | knstn, yeah, that won't work. you can set up sudo to allow any normal user to run that one command. |
| 17:17.12 | Fallenour | however my 10.0.0.0 network isnt showing the gateway for some reason |
| 17:17.20 | shtrb | explain |
| 17:17.23 | Fallenour | and the interface is up |
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| 17:17.44 | greycat | Fallenour: there can only be one default gateway. That's what default means. "route -n" will show your routing table. |
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| 17:18.06 | Fallenour | ok so route -n, shows: dest: 0.0.0.0 gateway: 10.0.0.1 genmask 0.0.0.0 dest: 10.0.0.0 gateway 0.0.0.0 genmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 17:18.13 | Fallenour | yes I understand that |
| 17:18.27 | jelly | pastebin that, it's unreadable in a single line |
| 17:18.29 | greycat | What's the question? |
| 17:18.35 | Fallenour | and the def gw is 10.0.0.1 which is correct |
| 17:18.43 | greycat | I don't see a problem so far. |
| 17:18.45 | shtrb | can you ping it ? |
| 17:18.50 | shtrb | the 10.0.0.1 ? |
| 17:18.55 | Fallenour | @shtrb no and thats the thing that confuses me |
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| 17:19.02 | shtrb | is your laptop allowed in the router ? |
| 17:19.05 | Fallenour | eth0 is up, but I cant hit the gw |
| 17:19.11 | shtrb | mac allowed on the router itself ? |
| 17:19.19 | greycat | But does it *work*? Does it actually route your packets in and out? |
| 17:19.33 | shtrb | do you have firewall setup ? |
| 17:19.35 | Fallenour | @shtrb that im not sure. The router works for sure, im using it now to talk with you guys, and im on the exact same network |
| 17:19.36 | greycat | Maybe the router just ignores ICMP for some reason. |
| 17:19.39 | Fallenour | @shtrb no fw |
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| 17:19.55 | Fallenour | @greycat I also cant reach the web though, google.com or 8.8.8.8 |
| 17:20.14 | shtrb | Fallenour , ICMP can be down , but it can also prevent your access it (ethenet whitelist) |
| 17:20.20 | greycat | But you can reach IRC. So the router is working. You've got a firewall or something blocking the web, wetc. |
| 17:20.48 | Fallenour | @greycat no fw at all |
| 17:20.52 | shtrb | greycat , isn't he have two machines ? |
| 17:20.53 | greycat | Then the ROUTER has one. |
| 17:21.04 | greycat | Or the router's upsteam router, etc. |
| 17:21.09 | shtrb | the router itself can block a machine from connecting |
| 17:21.20 | Fallenour | @greycat no, I can ping things just fine on ubuntu boxes, as well as this one. ICMP isnt blocked |
| 17:21.34 | shtrb | and did you check that the ip is not being used somewhere else on your net ? |
| 17:21.40 | greycat | gives up trying to get a coherent problem explanation |
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| 17:21.47 | Fallenour | @shtrb the IP was assigned via dhcp |
| 17:22.05 | Fallenour | 8O |
| 17:22.06 | shtrb | Fallenour , some of us slow (ok I'm slow ) can you try to explain what works from that machine and what not ? |
| 17:22.14 | Fallenour | The ip was assigned dhcp o.o |
| 17:22.36 | Fallenour | how do I manually change that to 10.0.0.100 from 10.0.0.20 from cmd all one liner? |
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| 17:22.42 | Fallenour | or is that possible? |
| 17:23.09 | greycat | Fallenour: The *right* way would be to ifdown eth0, edit /etc/network/interfaces, set up a static interface stanza, ifup eth0 |
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| 17:23.45 | shtrb | wait , do you have a dhcp and network manager running togher by any chance ? |
| 17:24.05 | shtrb | and ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.20 |
| 17:24.36 | Fallenour | from the machine, the machine can ping itself, 127.0.0.1, it can ping openstack-srv-000001 (itself), but not 10.0.0.255 or 10.0.0.1 |
| 17:24.41 | jelly | shtrb, that ifconfig command may result in incorrect netmask applied |
| 17:24.50 | jelly | specify it. |
| 17:25.01 | greycat | using ifconfig to change eth0 is not going to "stick" if you still have a dhclient running, which overwrites your change whenever it feels like it |
| 17:25.12 | shtrb | he asked a question and got a direct answer |
| 17:25.33 | Fallenour | I did the netinstall on the system, so no UI |
| 17:25.42 | jelly | Fallenour, if you control your dhcp server, you can probably configure it to assign the desired ip address to your MAC address |
| 17:25.42 | shtrb | doesn't matter |
| 17:25.56 | Fallenour | @shtrb ahh! didnt knwo that |
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| 17:26.05 | shtrb | Are any debian snaks like the Debian wine ? |
| 17:26.25 | jelly | if not, a static assignment via /etc/network/interfaces is a simple and sane approach |
| 17:26.33 | Fallenour | if I change the /etc/network/interfaces file to read as eth0 static instead of dhcp, will the dhcpclient still try to override? |
| 17:26.35 | shtrb | *snacks |
| 17:26.46 | jelly | Fallenour, dchp client will not start |
| 17:26.57 | shtrb | if it is still running yes , but it will be read after next network start |
| 17:27.08 | greycat | Just make sure you ifdown eth0 BEFORE editing, or it won't kill the old dhclient. Of course rebooting also works. |
| 17:27.34 | shtrb | just kill the process |
| 17:27.37 | jelly | or killing dhclient afterwards manually like a dirty peasant |
| 17:27.41 | greycat | That might work too. |
| 17:27.43 | shtrb | to be sure |
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| 17:28.29 | shtrb | jelly , nuking it from the system |
| 17:28.44 | Fallenour | ok so I set address, network, broadcast, gateway, name-servers, is there anything else I missed? |
| 17:28.50 | jelly | no need for that |
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| 17:28.59 | Fallenour | @jelly for me? or someone else? |
| 17:29.02 | shtrb | netmask is correct ? |
| 17:29.03 | jelly | shtrb |
| 17:29.15 | Fallenour | oh shit, netmas |
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| 17:29.29 | jelly | !interfaces |
| 17:29.29 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
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| 17:29.37 | greycat | You don't need to set network and broadcast. Just netmask. |
| 17:29.41 | Fallenour | and netmask now |
| 17:29.52 | Fallenour | ok so just address, netmask, gateway? |
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| 17:30.18 | jelly | and dns-nameservers if resolvconf is installed |
| 17:30.35 | greycat | *shudder* |
| 17:30.53 | jelly | it has its uses |
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| 17:31.45 | shtrb | What about the goat (that need to be sacrfised to the gods ) ? |
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| 17:33.08 | centrx | Debian has automated that process with apt-goat |
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| 17:33.22 | shtrb | apt-cache search apt-goat |
| 17:33.31 | shtrb | sorry wrong window |
| 17:33.47 | shtrb | no such package :-( |
| 17:33.58 | centrx | You have to buy Debian Premium Edition |
| 17:34.03 | johnkeates | glenn quagmire might have a package for you |
| 17:34.34 | Fallenour | idea |
| 17:34.54 | shtrb | exception |
| 17:34.54 | Fallenour | how do I configure the gateway for the specific network route 10.0.0.0 |
| 17:35.15 | greycat | You don't. |
| 17:35.27 | Fallenour | @greyhat I dont? |
| 17:35.39 | Fallenour | is it autoconnected to default gw? |
| 17:35.45 | greycat | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 17:35.45 | greycat | 0.0.0.0 10.76.172.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 17:35.45 | greycat | 10.76.172.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.254.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 17:35.51 | Fallenour | ok |
| 17:36.03 | Fallenour | So then according to your configure, mine should work |
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| 17:36.21 | greycat | Like I said, I didn't see any obvious problems in your routing table. |
| 17:36.23 | Fallenour | mine is mirroed, except for mines 10. network isntead of 10.76 |
| 17:36.31 | Fallenour | link shows as up |
| 17:36.44 | Fallenour | do you guys think it could be a cable issue? |
| 17:36.54 | Fallenour | or a defective switchport? |
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| 17:37.20 | greycat | I think your router is simply firewalling you in a major way. |
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| 17:37.28 | greycat | You said you're reaching IRC through it. |
| 17:37.46 | greycat | So your draconian bastard netadmin forgot to block IRC. |
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| 17:38.10 | shtrb | Fallenour can reach irc from that machine ? |
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| 17:38.29 | Fallenour | @shtrb Ive honestly never tried to IRC from a linux box. |
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| 17:38.39 | johnkeates | eek |
| 17:38.40 | Fallenour | can that be done from command line? |
| 17:38.45 | greycat | You said... |
| 17:38.48 | johnkeates | you are using windows ? with irc? |
| 17:38.51 | johnkeates | you bastard. |
| 17:39.05 | Fallenour | @greycat yes @johnkeates and yes :'( |
| 17:39.06 | SuperTramp83 | x_X |
| 17:39.10 | johnkeates | :(( |
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| 17:39.15 | johnkeates | sheds a tear |
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| 17:39.20 | Fallenour | teach me the true ways to enlightenment of great ones |
| 17:39.22 | Fallenour | oh* |
| 17:39.32 | j605 | I got a domain name recently and changed my hostname in the server accordingly. But logging in using ssh given me public key denied using the domain name |
| 17:39.35 | johnkeates | install a random irc client on the cli and then you are good |
| 17:39.41 | shtrb | use pidgin or iirci |
| 17:39.45 | johnkeates | j605: check known_hosts |
| 17:39.45 | j605 | I can still login using the ip address directly |
| 17:39.45 | mutante | enlightenment, you can install it was your window lanager, Fallenour |
| 17:39.45 | Fallenour | anyone in particular? |
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| 17:40.02 | SuperTramp83 | Fallenour, I can recommend hexchat, very nice |
| 17:40.15 | johnkeates | install irssi |
| 17:40.15 | greycat | Fuck, I really give up. I could have SWORN Fallenour said he was IRCing from the Debian box that could not ping 10.0.0.1 or reach google.com or 8.8.8.8 |
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| 17:40.16 | Fallenour | @supertramp83 thats actually what im using on windows, I love it |
| 17:40.19 | johnkeates | the only real irc client |
| 17:40.22 | BluesKaj | Fallenour, btw, nicks on irc highlight quite well without @ in front |
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| 17:40.33 | mutante | the only real irc client is bitchx, but then it's irssi |
| 17:40.41 | Fallenour | Oh I didnt know that blueskaj |
| 17:40.42 | j605 | johnkeates: I can still login using the IP directly |
| 17:40.49 | SuperTramp83 | irssi is very good if no gui is ok for you, Fallenour |
| 17:40.51 | johnkeates | j605: check known_hosts |
| 17:41.02 | BluesKaj | irc isn't an IM :-) |
| 17:41.06 | johnkeates | GUIs are retarded for text |
| 17:41.17 | SuperTramp83 | hehe |
| 17:41.19 | Fallenour | supertramp83 im going completely headless for the first time on my linux systems to try and master cli, so headless is preferred if possible |
| 17:41.32 | SuperTramp83 | irssi then \o/ |
| 17:41.35 | johnkeates | yeah |
| 17:41.38 | johnkeates | irssi! |
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| 17:41.58 | johnkeates | did you know that i'm currently on a debian jessie box, connected to a Mac over VNC and running xchat there? |
| 17:42.01 | johnkeates | how's that for shame. |
| 17:42.09 | SuperTramp83 | and for xmpp, if i may interject again, profanity.im \o/ |
| 17:42.42 | BluesKaj | headless over rated , nothing wrong with gui irc clients, don't let the purists intimidate you :-) |
| 17:42.48 | greycat | I'm on an HP-UX workstation ssh tunneling through a Debian wheezy VPS |
| 17:42.49 | johnkeates | gui = boo |
| 17:42.53 | BluesKaj | Fallenour,^ |
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| 17:43.10 | johnkeates | clicks on BluesKaj |
| 17:43.12 | j605 | johnkeates: known_hosts has both "IP key" and "hostname key". I checked the keys and they are matching |
| 17:43.13 | johnkeates | take that |
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| 17:43.32 | johnkeates | j605: do -vvv on ssh and see what it thinks it's doing |
| 17:43.36 | BluesKaj | shrugs |
| 17:44.14 | johnkeates | did you know that you could do IRC over RTTY if you like torture? it real fun |
| 17:44.41 | BluesKaj | or telegram |
| 17:44.47 | Fallenour | does debian install a fw by default? And if so, are the rules configured to allow any any by default? |
| 17:44.48 | johnkeates | that's a chat app |
| 17:44.54 | johnkeates | no, no fw |
| 17:44.58 | Fallenour | ok |
| 17:45.00 | johnkeates | debian doesn't assume you're online |
| 17:45.09 | johnkeates | but you can install anything |
| 17:45.36 | j605 | johnkeates: found the mistake. I was using a specific key for that server in the config and I had to change host name there as well. Thanks! |
| 17:45.51 | johnkeates | excellent, did ssh tell you while it was reading the config? |
| 17:46.05 | j605 | yes, while using -vvv |
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| 17:46.14 | johnkeates | good, happy ssh'ing! |
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| 17:50.03 | shtrb | http://turnoff.us/image/en/who-killed-mysql.png |
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| 17:51.20 | johnkeates | oracle did |
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| 17:55.39 | centrx | MySQL sucked anyway |
| 17:55.53 | centrx | Once Postgresql got faster, no reason to use MySQL |
| 17:56.03 | Fallenour | where are all the places that the information for IP is placed in debian? |
| 17:56.24 | pie3 | how do you store and manage and maintain data across devices? |
| 17:56.25 | Fallenour | I just found that /etc/resolv.conf had a totally different ip than my nameserver set in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:57.39 | shtrb | Fallenour , you got that by dhclient (or other tooll) |
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| 17:57.58 | Fallenour | @shtrb how do I access dhclient/turn the damn thing off |
| 17:58.51 | greycat | Kill the dhclient process, make sure it's dead, make sure you don't have "dhcp" in /e/n/i, make sure resolvconf is not installed, make sure /etc/resolv.conf is a plain file and not a symlink. |
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| 17:59.24 | shtrb | greycat , so who had been you calling pesants again ? |
| 17:59.35 | greycat | That was jelly's word. |
| 17:59.43 | shtrb | ah , sorry |
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| 18:00.00 | shtrb | Fallenour , make sure to kill networkmanager if it is there |
| 18:00.00 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
| 18:00.07 | shtrb | raynold , it is |
| 18:00.09 | greycat | I actually broke down and used chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf on the home system. |
| 18:00.28 | shtrb | WHY ?! |
| 18:00.54 | greycat | It turns out that even if you tell dhclient.conf not to request nameserver addresses (which works great at work), your DHCP server may still SEND them, and if the server SENDS them, dhclient USES them. |
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| 18:01.14 | shtrb | lol |
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| 18:01.21 | greycat | And don't tell me to configure my nameservers in dhclient.conf because that's fucking idiotic. |
| 18:01.30 | Fallenour | @shtrb ok, so kill networkmanager, how do I do this? Second, do I need to delete the /etc/resolv.conf file, or just comment out the entries? |
| 18:01.31 | shtrb | :D |
| 18:01.36 | greycat | I should be able to tell dhclient to leave the fucking file ALONE. |
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| 18:04.15 | testtt | I can connect via SSH remotely with the following iptables: https://pastebin.com/NDWReWxs , but when I try to SSH tunnel to mysql I get "reading initial communication packet', system error: 0". Any idea what I should change? I can tunnel to port 80 fine. Mysql is default port as well. |
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| 18:07.50 | greycat | Near as I can tell, the people who write DHCP client software must also be the people who CONTROL the dhcp server software wherever they work, because the notion that you might want the DHCP client *not* to touch something just doesn't even enter their mind. |
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| 18:08.10 | greycat | "But you can tell the DHCP server to ..." NO! NO YOU CAN'T! |
| 18:08.29 | greycat | The DHCP server is run by that group of people over there ---> |
| 18:08.32 | shtrb | and I was bitching that dhclient doesn't do enough for m |
| 18:08.34 | shtrb | *me |
| 18:08.48 | Aladar42 | hey guys, im looking for a way to debug my instllation; after the updates earlier this week, the PC started to randomly hang at "unpacking intramfs" on bootup, however, after I turn it on and off again (no restart button, Dell Optiplex:), it boots up fine, anyone knows where I can get any logs as to whats going on so that I can report it if it |
| 18:08.52 | Aladar42 | 's a bug? |
| 18:09.02 | shtrb | isn't isc-dhcp-server and isc-dhcp-client done by the same people ? |
| 18:09.03 | Aladar42 | Goddang enter key getting in my way :) |
| 18:09.23 | jelly | greycat, and you can tell those people, then |
| 18:09.51 | greycat | Yeeeah. Right. |
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| 18:11.22 | jelly | Aladar42, that's very very early so if it's a bug, it's in the kernel and you won't get any logs out of that |
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| 18:11.55 | jelly | which debian release and which kernel package and version? |
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| 18:12.34 | Aladar42 | Debian 9, kernel uh... I just updated, so, 4.9.0-2? |
| 18:12.46 | jelly | you may ask #debian-kernel on oftc for suggestions on what kind of information to gather and things to try before filing a bug report |
| 18:12.53 | Aladar42 | apt is currently updating to 4.9.0-3 :) |
| 18:12.54 | Aladar42 | I kind of did a dumb and ran update before coming here |
| 18:13.02 | jelly | so it's not current yet |
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| 18:13.24 | jelly | if you're lucky it's a regression that got fixed in the meantime |
| 18:14.05 | jelly | Aladar42, what does this command say: dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r) | tail -n 1 |
| 18:14.17 | jelly | or uname -a |
| 18:14.21 | Aladar42 | alright, ill try running it for a few more days and see what happens |
| 18:15.09 | Aladar42 | itss till updating, hold on a minute :) |
| 18:15.25 | Aladar42 | as I said, I didnt do the smartest thing, sorry |
| 18:15.37 | jelly | doesn't matter, want to know the kernel thats running at present |
| 18:15.41 | Aladar42 | $ dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r) | tail -n 1 ii linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64 4.9.30-2 amd64 Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs |
| 18:15.54 | jelly | too late now, that's the new one |
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| 18:16.30 | jelly | Aladar42, what does uname -a say, then |
| 18:16.34 | jelly | before you reboot |
| 18:16.37 | Aladar42 | I assume it would have been 4.9.30-2 |
| 18:16.49 | Aladar42 | $ uname -a Linux radka 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-1 (2017-06-04) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 18:17.31 | jelly | right. I guess you can see if the newer build makes any difference |
| 18:17.41 | Aladar42 | yeah, ill see |
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| 18:19.00 | Aladar42 | so if it persists, #debian-kernel here? |
| 18:19.18 | Aladar42 | i dont really mind it myself, i just thought ill help the community with a bugfix if it is a bug |
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| 18:19.51 | jelly | not here, OFTC is a different irc network |
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| 18:20.08 | Aladar42 | right |
| 18:20.10 | Aladar42 | thanks |
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| 18:20.23 | Aladar42 | see you, thne :) |
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| 18:26.12 | jhutchins | We could take the error message at face value and assume that it really is having trouble reading the initramfs intermittently, either due to a hardware problem or corruption. |
| 18:26.12 | Violinist | r they gona resurect compiz |
| 18:26.26 | jhutchins | If it's the latter, it will build a new one for the new kernel and problem solved. |
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| 18:28.04 | Fallenour | ok so this shit is seriously starting to become annoying |
| 18:28.07 | Fallenour | now my route is gone |
| 18:28.11 | Fallenour | im losing my mind here |
| 18:28.22 | jelly | testtt, if that's the iptables settings from the ssh server, it doesn't look you should be allowed to ssh in at all |
| 18:28.54 | testtt | weird |
| 18:28.58 | testtt | thankfully i can |
| 18:29.18 | jelly | no idea why |
| 18:29.27 | testtt | i can access port 80 too |
| 18:29.38 | testtt | externally |
| 18:29.43 | jelly | nothing allows new connections on tcp/22 inbound |
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| 18:36.21 | Fallenour1 | ok so Im super confused here guys |
| 18:36.23 | Fallenour1 | seriously |
| 18:36.36 | Fallenour1 | now under ifconfig eth0, it doesnt show the IPv4 |
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| 18:36.50 | Fallenour1 | under /etc/network/interfaces it shows the IP |
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| 18:37.04 | Fallenour1 | NetworkManager isnt configured, so what gives? |
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| 18:37.25 | Fallenour1 | ive restarted services, restarted link, ive rebooted the server, and the router itself |
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| 18:39.12 | Fallenour1 | SAHGlsdfja;lskdjfl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:39.16 | Fallenour1 | VICTORY IS MINE! |
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| 18:39.20 | Fallenour1 | Its a BAD PORT! |
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| 18:41.54 | shtrb | lol |
| 18:42.11 | shtrb | wait , how did it get an up state if it was a bad port ? |
| 18:42.19 | Fallenour1 | No |
| 18:42.20 | Fallenour1 | Ok |
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| 18:42.25 | Fallenour1 | So |
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| 18:42.46 | Fallenour1 | I went in, created the NetworkManager.conf file that didnt exist before, added the manage=false config |
| 18:42.48 | shtrb | if you pluged it into your ethernet port , does dmesg say the link is up |
| 18:42.54 | Fallenour1 | then I went into /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:42.59 | Fallenour1 | hanged that |
| 18:43.23 | Fallenour1 | then I unplugged the port, and moved it |
| 18:43.30 | Fallenour1 | I also changed the IP address from 100 to 105 |
| 18:43.40 | Fallenour1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.36 | Fallenour1 | ok how do I sudo |
| 18:44.52 | Fallenour1 | itt keeps telling me not found, where is sudo? In bin? I already checked sbin and /etc/sbin |
| 18:45.10 | greycat | you have to install the sudo package |
| 18:45.34 | Fallenour1 | @greycat its apt-get install sudo right? |
| 18:45.53 | greycat | yes, though you may want to apt-get update, first, if you haven't been Internet-connected in a while |
| 18:46.14 | Fallenour1 | I only have 2 entries in my sources.list file, theres supposed to be 3 isnt it? |
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| 18:46.25 | greycat | one of them's optional |
| 18:46.35 | Fallenour1 | oh shit good point |
| 18:46.53 | Fallenour1 | IT WORKS |
| 18:46.55 | Fallenour1 | omg I love you guys |
| 18:46.59 | greycat | the one that has "jessie-updates" (not jessie/updates) and is not on security.debian.org -- that one is optional |
| 18:47.04 | Fallenour1 | Id buy you all pizza if its possible |
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| 18:47.47 | DammitJim | should my systemd units that I create for services go on /etc/systemd/system or on /lib/systemd/system? |
| 18:47.54 | greycat | DammitJim: /etc/systemd/system/ |
| 18:48.01 | greycat | Unless you are creating a whole Debian package. |
| 18:48.07 | DammitJim | oh ok |
| 18:48.20 | DammitJim | someone was messing around with one of the servers and they decided to create the unit on /lib |
| 18:48.37 | DammitJim | appreciate the clarification... silly things like these are sometimes confusing for people |
| 18:48.42 | greycat | that will "work" until some OS package tries to write there, and then all hell breaks loose |
| 18:49.07 | DammitJim | blah |
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| 18:49.27 | DammitJim | thanks man! |
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| 18:51.48 | Fallenour1 | best way to install ssh server for debian? I usually use openssh-server, but its not availble it seems |
| 18:51.59 | greycat | It should definitely be available. |
| 18:52.03 | Fallenour1 | also, do I use dpkg -L to list available packages in debian? |
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| 18:52.16 | greycat | "dpkg -L pkgname" shows the file list of an installed package |
| 18:52.25 | greycat | to see *available*, you use apt-cache search |
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| 18:54.48 | Fallenour1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.07 | Fallenour1 | and that I need a newer version, already fully updated, so im not sure the issue here |
| 18:55.08 | greycat | this sounds like you've mixed up sources.list between different releases (or OSes) |
| 18:55.22 | alekz | how can I change the state of an interface using 'ip' on Stretch? |
| 18:55.48 | centrx | !frankendebian |
| 18:55.49 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 18:55.50 | Fallenour1 | @greycat ive got jessie/updates |
| 18:56.02 | Fallenour1 | security.debian.org jessie/updates |
| 18:56.05 | greycat | that's fine. |
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| 18:56.12 | greycat | What *else* do you have? |
| 18:56.18 | Fallenour1 | greycat , those are the only two I have |
| 18:56.25 | Fallenour1 | do I need to add ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 18:56.26 | greycat | that is only one. what's the second one. |
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| 18:56.43 | Fallenour1 | those are the only two |
| 18:56.48 | greycat | You only showed ONE. |
| 18:56.58 | greycat | 14:55 Fallenour1> @greycat ive got jessie/updates 14:56 Fallenour1> security.debian.org jessie/updates |
| 18:57.11 | Fallenour1 | deb http://security.debian.org and deb-src http://security.debian.org |
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| 18:57.25 | greycat | Oh, deb-src doesn't count. You're missing the primary repository then. |
| 18:57.33 | greycat | !jessie sources.list |
| 18:57.33 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 18:58.18 | Fallenour1 | so I need to add those then I guess |
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| 19:00.55 | Fallenour1 | AHH |
| 19:00.58 | Fallenour1 | missing a lot of jessie updates |
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| 19:15.11 | alekz | Hi! I just can't connect to my ethernet connection, everything was working fine yesterday, not sure if today's apt upgrade changed something. Here's an output with some basic info https://paste.debian.net/971615/ |
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| 19:16.00 | alekz | (And yes, the cable is working in another machine) |
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| 19:16.45 | kruug | You guys should petition to get ##debian forwarded to here...it's confusing |
| 19:16.48 | kruug | anyways. |
| 19:16.49 | kruug | I have PAM/Google Authenticator set up to verify identity when trying to `sudo`. My authenticator app on my phone is corrupt. How can I remove PAM and regain access to sudo without that app? |
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| 19:18.47 | jhutchins | alekz: Do you have link lights? Output of ethtool enp7s0 might be usefull. |
| 19:19.32 | alekz | jhutchins: this device has no lights, not even for power haha, let me run ethtool |
| 19:20.10 | jhutchins | !rtl8101 |
| 19:20.10 | dpkg | r8169 is a Linux kernel driver supporting the Realtek RTL8101, RTL8111/8168 and RTL8169 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>, <rtl8402>, <rtl8411>. Not to be confused with the out-of-tree <r8168> driver. |
| 19:20.53 | alekz | jhutchins: no link detecteed https://paste.debian.net/971617/ |
| 19:21.01 | jhutchins | alekz: lsmod | grep 8169 |
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| 19:21.40 | jhutchins | kruug: I take it you don't have the root password? |
| 19:22.15 | alekz | jhutchins: https://paste.debian.net/971618/ |
| 19:22.19 | kruug | jhutchins: hmmm...I thought I installed with a blank password for root, but that might have been a different install. Let me check. |
| 19:23.32 | jhutchins | alekz: So you have the right driver loaded... dmesg | grep -i firmware |
| 19:23.52 | kruug | jhutchins: "su: Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session" |
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| 19:24.16 | greycat | log in directly as root on a text console? |
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| 19:24.23 | alekz | jhutchins: yes, everything was working so good, until now :( https://paste.debian.net/971620/ |
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| 19:25.28 | jhutchins | alekz: Ok, you have the firmware as well, so the question becomes how did you configure the interface and why isn't it coming up. |
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| 19:26.01 | alekz | didn't configured anything, just plugged in since the install |
| 19:26.01 | jhutchins | dpkg: tell kruug about ifrp |
| 19:26.05 | alekz | and today, no network |
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| 19:29.38 | jhutchins | alekz: Actually, you did configure it with the installer, but I'm not sure whether the default is /etc/network/interfaces or network manager. Do you know if network manager is running? (You would have a network icon on your taskbar.) |
| 19:29.59 | jhutchins | alekz: You coult also cat /etc/network/interfaces and see what it has. |
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| 19:31.02 | testtt | jelly: https://pastebin.com/v211Sj9g does this look correct? |
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| 19:31.58 | Doxin | anyone got any pointers on setting up a mail server so I can forward email for each domain to a specific email? e.g. *@foo.com should go to a@example.com, *@bar.com should go to b@example.com, etc etc. |
| 19:32.35 | kruug | jhutchins: well, that sucks :/ It's on ESXi, and seems like quite the hassle. I'll keep trying to recover the app, but thanks for the info! That allows me to set a root password, correct? |
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| 19:32.46 | greycat | Doxin: Are you asking which MTA to use for that, or are you asking how to do that using a given MTA that you already have? |
| 19:33.24 | jhutchins | kruug: Did you get the message from dpkg? |
| 19:33.31 | Doxin | greycat: somewhat both of those. I haven't got anything installed yet mail-wise |
| 19:33.50 | greycat | qmail's virtual domains work *exactly* like that, but qmail is not very popular these days |
| 19:34.22 | Doxin | greycat: any specific reason it isn't? |
| 19:34.35 | kruug | jhutchins: ? |
| 19:34.54 | Doxin | greycat: my previous experiences with email have been that it's rather a massive pain to get working |
| 19:35.02 | jhutchins | kruug: look for a pm. |
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| 19:35.14 | kruug | jhutchins: oh, that dpkg, yes... |
| 19:35.15 | greycat | Personality issues with the author (Dan Bernstein), lack of an explicit free license until recently leaving it considered "non-free", and lack of development in the last 15 years.... |
| 19:35.28 | kruug | quite the unfortunate name, as I was also working with dpkg on a different Debian system |
| 19:35.52 | greycat | The bot is named after the Debian command-line tool. |
| 19:36.06 | Doxin | greycat: well how much has email changed in 15 years anyways right :P |
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| 19:37.32 | kruug | greycat: yes, I get the reference, but when you're troubleshooting, and get asked if you got a message from a debian command-line tool, is the first thought really to think of the #debian bot? |
| 19:38.13 | teraflops | Doxin: maybe smtp protocol didn't. but if you want to set it up correctly you have to setup a lot of _newer_ things |
| 19:38.24 | jhutchins | Doxin: Quite a lot actually. Nobody worried about spam 15 years ago. I almost got fired for trying to bring it to Corp IT's attention. |
| 19:38.35 | Doxin | hm |
| 19:38.45 | Doxin | right so then that MTA is probably out |
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| 19:39.45 | jhutchins | Doxin: Are you talking about inbound mail or outbount? |
| 19:39.51 | teraflops | you didn't even have to resolve rdns and setup ptr correctly 15 years ago |
| 19:39.51 | Doxin | jhutchins: both! |
| 19:40.04 | Doxin | jhutchins: specifically turning inbound into outbound |
| 19:40.16 | teraflops | nor use dkim and whatnot |
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| 19:40.41 | jhutchins | Doxin: Pretty sure you can do that with either exim or postfix, you just set forwarding or delivery aliases. |
| 19:40.45 | Doxin | jhutchins: *@foo.com should go to a@example.com, *@bar.com should go to b@example.com, etc etc. |
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| 19:41.12 | Doxin | jhutchins: I figured any mta would work, but I'm fairly clueless about email internals |
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| 19:41.55 | jhutchins | Doxin: You probably can't set it up with dpkg-reconfigure, but it's not too hard to read the documentation and figure it out. |
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| 19:42.43 | Doxin | jhutchins: "rtm" isn't exactly the sort of pointers I am looking for. I havent even decided on an mta yet so which manual should I even be reading. |
| 19:43.13 | greycat | I would start by googling "postfix virtual domains" |
| 19:43.22 | testtt | geez i still can't tunnel to mysql this is insane. i'm using putty and have it configured correctly i tunnel all the time. netstat says mysql is running on the port im specifying |
| 19:43.28 | Doxin | greycat: thanks |
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| 19:44.06 | testtt | Lost connection to mysql server at reading initial communication packet system error 0 |
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| 19:45.16 | jhutchins | testtt: Firewall? |
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| 19:45.57 | testtt | jhutchins: my iptables https://pastebin.com/v211Sj9g |
| 19:46.08 | testtt | i can connect to ssh fine |
| 19:46.36 | testtt | if i tunnel via port 80 and type 127.0.0.1 the webserver loads |
| 19:46.40 | testtt | so it must be related to mysql |
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| 19:47.09 | jhutchins | testtt: On the server, can the mysql client connect? Can it connect over tcp/ip? |
| 19:47.32 | jhutchins | testtt: Disable the firewall and test that way. |
| 19:48.04 | testtt | i'll try |
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| 19:48.54 | testtt | php is using the mysqldb just fine |
| 19:49.02 | testtt | it queries the db |
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| 19:49.22 | greycat | connections to mysql on the same host usually use a unix domain socket, not TCP |
| 19:49.36 | greycat | you might have to explicitly configure mysql to listen on TCP |
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| 19:50.18 | testtt | i'll try that thanks greycat |
| 19:50.39 | jelly | testtt, if your ssh service is using default 22/tcp, no |
| 19:50.44 | testtt | it's not |
| 19:50.50 | testtt | 4343 |
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| 19:51.33 | jelly | testtt, does "telnet localhost 3306" work on that system? |
| 19:51.58 | jelly | or "telnet 127.0.0.1 3306" if you want to be ipv4 specific |
| 19:52.29 | testtt | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3307 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 933/mysqld |
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| 19:53.26 | greycat | ... or you might have configured it to listen on a nonstandard port |
| 19:54.00 | jelly | testtt, why is it listening on 3307 |
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| 19:54.42 | testtt | because i changed it to a non standard port to see if that was the issue |
| 19:54.52 | testtt | i'll change it back |
| 19:54.56 | testtt | its not going to make any difference |
| 19:55.34 | Doxin | testtt: it's probably only listening on 127.0.0.1 and ::1, |
| 19:55.42 | Doxin | make sure it's listening to 0.0.0.0 |
| 19:55.46 | testtt | thanks doxin let me try that |
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| 19:56.22 | jelly | Doxin, there is no need for mysql to listen on all interfaces to make tunneling via ssh work |
| 19:56.29 | Doxin | hm |
| 19:56.30 | Doxin | right |
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| 19:56.39 | Doxin | jelly: misunderstood the question |
| 19:57.19 | jelly | testtt, after you put it back, answer the "telnet 127.0.0.1 3306" question |
| 19:57.27 | testtt | okay i'll change it back now |
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| 19:58.24 | testtt | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2453/mysqld |
| 19:58.24 | testtt | k sec |
| 19:58.38 | testtt | telnet 127.0.0.1 3306 |
| 19:58.38 | testtt | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 19:58.38 | Penguinos_ | Ping @mods |
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| 19:58.46 | testtt | nothing |
| 19:58.50 | testtt | still trying |
| 19:59.03 | greycat | testtt: if that hangs and never connects, it sounds like a local firewall |
| 19:59.20 | testtt | weird |
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| 19:59.28 | testtt | it's a digitalocean droplet |
| 20:00.05 | greycat | iptables -L to list the firewall stuff, IIRC |
| 20:00.33 | testtt | greycat: https://pastebin.com/1SmZTg3J |
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| 20:00.39 | testtt | i can pastebin it on debian if you want |
| 20:01.00 | greycat | You definitely have a firewall. |
| 20:01.38 | testtt | Firewalls |
| 20:01.39 | testtt | Firewalls allow you to easily secure your infrastructure by explicitly defining which type of traffic is allowed to reach it. Use tags to organize your infrastructure and apply Firewall rules to multiple resources. |
| 20:01.44 | testtt | digitalocean firewalls aren't enabled |
| 20:02.05 | greycat | Your INPUT chain is accepting connections to ports 80, 4343 and 1337 only. |
| 20:02.20 | greycat | I'm no iptables guru, but that seems like an issue. |
| 20:02.28 | jelly | testtt, so, your firewall rules are preventing a local connection to 127.0.0.1:3306 from being established. |
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| 20:03.01 | jelly | assuming lo interface is not broken in other ways |
| 20:03.02 | testtt | any suggestion on how to modify iptables without opening up anything else? |
| 20:03.11 | testtt | besides that |
| 20:03.28 | jhutchins | testtt: Also assuming that mysql is listening to localhost. |
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| 20:03.31 | greycat | obvious answer would be to add 3306 to that list of allowed INPUT ports |
| 20:03.32 | jelly | testtt, restrict the INPUT rules to a specific interface and leave lo |
| 20:03.35 | jelly | a lo one |
| 20:03.43 | jelly | whoops |
| 20:03.47 | jelly | no puns for me |
| 20:04.12 | testtt | what would the input entry be? i usually don't ask for answers but i dont want to create a security issue |
| 20:04.17 | greycat | But yeah, firewalling loopback is probably not what you intended. |
| 20:04.23 | jhutchins | testtt: You could also try just switching off the firewall until you establish that mysql is connecting. |
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| 20:04.51 | jhutchins | testtt: It's not like some program is going to bash it's way through on a rogue port. |
| 20:05.18 | jhutchins | testtt: In Linux, something has to be listening on a port for something else to connect. |
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| 20:05.46 | jelly | points jhutchins to shodan.io, a service created by program bashing on all the ports on all the IPs |
| 20:05.47 | greycat | Well, this kind of uber-paranoid firewalling is usually done to prevent an end user from setting up their own services. |
| 20:05.47 | testtt | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 3306 -s 127.0.0.1 -d 127.0.0.1 -j ACCEPT |
| 20:05.48 | testtt | ? |
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| 20:06.11 | jelly | lol, yeah, that's an option |
| 20:06.14 | greycat | (one of which might be an ssh -R) |
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| 20:06.40 | testtt | k i'll go with iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 3306 -s 127.0.0.1 -d 127.0.0.1 -j ACCEPT and hope for the best |
| 20:06.41 | testtt | lol |
| 20:06.42 | jelly | testtt, or just accept everything -i lo |
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| 20:07.06 | jelly | how many interfaces does that system have? |
| 20:07.15 | testtt | its a digitalocean droplet |
| 20:07.24 | jelly | that doesn't answer my querstion |
| 20:07.25 | greycat | that did not answer jelly's question |
| 20:07.29 | testtt | 1 |
| 20:07.37 | jhutchins | jelly: The only sensible use of a firewall on linux is to restrict which external hosts can connect to an open service. |
| 20:07.38 | testtt | and it still fails |
| 20:07.40 | jelly | apart from "lo"? |
| 20:07.53 | testtt | eth0 and l0 |
| 20:07.59 | testtt | err lo |
| 20:08.11 | greycat | testtt: appending a new rule to the chain AFTER that universal DROP is not very helpful... |
| 20:08.17 | jelly | testtt, so why not adapt your -t INPUT rules to only apply to eth0? |
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| 20:09.35 | jelly | it's still a horribly restrictive setup that won't even let you set correct time via ntp. |
| 20:09.58 | jelly | I suggest taking it to #Netfilter |
| 20:10.24 | jhutchins | Or drop the firewall for the purposes of testing mysql, then build a proper one using some decent guidance. |
| 20:10.36 | jelly | that would be too easy! |
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| 20:11.01 | jhutchins | Yeah, people would think we weren't cool. |
| 20:11.06 | greycat | Or, drop the firewall. |
| 20:12.00 | jhutchins | I wonder if Digital Ocean firewalls "droplets", and if so what they block. |
| 20:12.50 | Doxin | they dont by themselves |
| 20:12.55 | Doxin | I mean there's a firewall feature |
| 20:13.00 | Doxin | but you gotta set it up yourself |
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| 20:13.29 | jhutchins | Doxin: That seems reasonable. |
| 20:13.38 | Doxin | it is |
| 20:13.42 | N3X15 | Since #gitlab hasn't had a dev speak in weeks, has anyone had a successful install under MariaDB 10.2.6? I'm finding that the mysql2 gem will not compile due to new libmysqlclient headers, and the mysql2 dev has been AWOL. |
| 20:14.20 | jelly | N3X15, which debian release did you fine mariadb 10.2 in? |
| 20:14.24 | jelly | find* |
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| 20:14.38 | jhutchins | ,v mariadb |
| 20:14.39 | judd | No package named 'mariadb' was found in amd64. |
| 20:14.40 | N3X15 | stretch. |
| 20:15.03 | jelly | N3X15, how old is that stretch installation? |
| 20:15.12 | N3X15 | A few years. |
| 20:15.17 | jelly | ,v mariadb-server-core-10.2 |
| 20:15.18 | judd | No package named 'mariadb-server-core-10.2' was found in amd64. |
| 20:15.19 | jhutchins | ,v maria |
| 20:15.20 | judd | Package: maria on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.5-4; jessie: 1.3.5-4; stretch: 1.3.5-4.1; sid: 1.3.5-4.1 |
| 20:15.23 | jelly | ,v mariadb-server-core-10.3 |
| 20:15.24 | judd | Package: mariadb-server-core-10.3 on amd64 -- experimental: 10.3.0-0+exp2 |
| 20:15.27 | jelly | ,v mariadb-server-core-10.1 |
| 20:15.28 | judd | Package: mariadb-server-core-10.1 on amd64 -- stretch-proposed-updates: 10.1.23-9+deb9u1; stretch: 10.1.23-9+deb9u1; sid: 10.1.24-3 |
| 20:15.35 | jelly | N3X15, see why I'm asking |
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| 20:15.59 | jelly | only 10.1 and 10.3 in debian |
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| 20:16.38 | N3X15 | I'll go ahead and drop gitlab then, I guess. Getting tired of trying to fix it every week. Thanks anyway. |
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| 20:17.12 | jelly | well maybe your environment is broken, not gitlab itself |
| 20:18.03 | jelly | stretch is only going to be stable like this weekend, if it's really a year or two old it's going to be a mess |
| 20:18.45 | N3X15 | I tried to swap it to stable but I missed the last window. |
| 20:18.49 | greycat | A two-year-old stretch is probably a post-jessie free for all. |
| 20:19.01 | jelly | yeah |
| 20:19.02 | N3X15 | I update it daily |
| 20:19.05 | jhutchins | N3X15: There was a window? |
| 20:19.20 | N3X15 | Yes, when the last stable went... stable. |
| 20:19.23 | jelly | there was a window in 2015, yes :-) |
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| 20:19.50 | jelly | N3X15, at least your sources point to "stretch" now and not "testing" |
| 20:19.57 | jhutchins | suspects frankendebian. |
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| 20:20.15 | N3X15 | Yep, jelly. |
| 20:20.16 | jelly | so if everything works out you'll have something resembling stable next week |
| 20:20.27 | jelly | except that mariadb 10.2 |
| 20:20.41 | alekz | jhutchins: sorry, got an issue. Here's the /etc/network/interfaces content: https://paste.debian.net/971632/ |
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| 20:20.51 | jelly | where you got that, I don't know, but it likely wasn't debian |
| 20:20.53 | jhutchins | ... and anything else he installed from sid. |
| 20:20.58 | jhutchins | or wherever. |
| 20:21.02 | jelly | it likely wasn't sid either |
| 20:21.20 | jelly | sid's debian :-) |
| 20:21.25 | N3X15 | Maria's official repo |
| 20:21.41 | jhutchins | alekz: anything in /etc/network/interfaces.d/? |
| 20:21.59 | N3X15 | I'll try updating to 10.3 but I'm not going to hold my breath. |
| 20:22.01 | jelly | N3X15, then you probably want to ask _them_ about failing to build a library against _their_ headers |
| 20:22.13 | alekz | jhutchins: empty dir |
| 20:22.25 | alekz | and network manager is running |
| 20:24.00 | jhutchins | alekz: So it was configured in network manager, and you should be able to reconfigure it with that. |
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| 20:25.16 | alekz | jhutchins: I thought so, but it says "disconnected" |
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| 20:27.40 | jhutchins | alekz: Which we know from our earlier diagnostics. You should do something like set the properties for that connection. |
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| 20:28.30 | jhutchins | alekz: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Networking_Guide/sec-Using_NetworkManager_with_the_GNOME_Graphical_User_Interface.html |
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| 20:28.41 | jhutchins | !network-manager |
| 20:28.41 | dpkg | NetworkManager is a network management framework daemon. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions and ask me about <nm unmanaged>. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManager http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/ #nm on irc.freenode.net. See also <nmcli>, <wireless connection managers>. |
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| 20:31.22 | alekz | thanks jhutchins I'll check in #nm , since all settings looks good |
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| 20:32.25 | jhutchins | Hmn. xfce weather applet plugin not getting any data.. |
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| 20:33.24 | ryouma | jhutchins: at least with weather(1) and gkrellm weather that has been a problem for a long time now. there is a url change at noaa or similar that needs doing, and the patch is available for weather(1), but for unknown reasons, it just is not getting fixed |
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| 20:33.42 | ryouma | dunno if that applies to xfce |
| 20:34.00 | jhutchins | ryouma: Likely. It was working fairly recently... |
| 20:34.29 | ryouma | sounds maybe different then |
| 20:35.37 | ryouma | why does stretch have firefox-esr 45.x and jessie has 52.x? |
| 20:35.51 | greycat | because testing is frozen |
| 20:36.30 | greycat | stable always gets security fixes faster than testing does, anyway |
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| 20:38.10 | jhutchins | ryouma: It appears to need more than a new URL: In Accordance with NWS Service Change Notice 16-16 this service has been discontinued. Please see Weather.gov and tgftp.nws.noaa.gov (raw data) |
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| 20:39.28 | jelly | xfce weather applet in stretch was working for me this morning |
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| 20:41.48 | jhutchins | Looks like the service got restructured and moved to weather.gov. |
| 20:41.52 | jhutchins | jelly: Working now? |
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| 20:43.07 | jelly | dunno, that requires me getting up from the couch and looking at the desktop machine |
| 20:43.37 | jelly | which is HARD |
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| 20:44.43 | jelly | still works. Weather and astronomical data from -- The Norwegian Meteorological Institute -- met.no |
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| 20:48.19 | jhutchins | aweather is rather nice. |
| 20:48.59 | jhutchins | I seem to recall the source being configurable in some version... |
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| 20:53.18 | jhutchins | ,v xfce4-weather-plugin |
| 20:53.19 | judd | Package: xfce4-weather-plugin on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.7.4-5; wheezy-backports: 0.8.3-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.8.3-2; sid: 0.8.9-1; stretch: 0.8.9-1 |
| 20:54.31 | testtt | jelly: this is what happens now https://pastebin.com/su8bpc08 |
| 20:54.34 | testtt | i flushed the table |
| 20:54.49 | testtt | it still doesn't let me tunnel |
| 20:55.15 | jhutchins | testtt: Can you now connect locally? |
| 20:55.22 | jelly | testtt: it ought to. What does your ssh client command line look like? |
| 20:55.26 | jhutchins | testtt: You have too many variables. |
| 20:55.30 | testtt | too many variables? |
| 20:55.47 | jhutchins | Yes, mysql, firewall, tunnel. Test them one layer at a time. |
| 20:55.51 | jelly | their paste shows they're able to connect locally now |
| 20:56.24 | jelly | jhutchins: unless you think that output from telnet isn't relevant? |
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| 20:56.50 | jhutchins | Well, it doesn't explicitly identify the listening service as mysql, but it's good. |
| 20:56.57 | jelly | how does it not?! |
| 20:57.27 | jhutchins | jelly: It clouds it up in other data! (I see it now.) |
| 20:57.34 | jelly | 5.5.55-0+deb8u1�vf{X'V[�9!9=fhVX9QlLmysql_[...] |
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| 20:57.48 | jhutchins | Anyway, next thing to test is from the host, telnet to it's real IP. |
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| 20:58.02 | jhutchins | Because sometimes mysql doesn't listen on public ports. |
| 20:58.04 | jelly | 127.0.0.1 is the real ip |
| 20:58.16 | jelly | they don't want to expose the service. |
| 20:58.20 | jelly | hence tunnel. |
| 20:58.27 | n-iCe | when you install debian, and use testing, will it automatically upgrade to stretch? |
| 20:58.54 | jhutchins | Ok, so the tunnel is supposedly trying to connect to lo? |
| 20:58.57 | greycat | n-iCe: I strongly recommend you change "testing" to "stretch" in sources.list so that when stretch releases in a couple days, you'll stay on stretch |
| 20:59.03 | jelly | n-iCe: testing installer will install stretch at the moment. |
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| 20:59.16 | n-iCe | the thing is |
| 20:59.20 | jelly | n-iCe: you shouldn't try to install "testing" |
| 20:59.23 | n-iCe | I-m installing antix uses debian repos |
| 20:59.30 | n-iCe | but asks me to install testing or stable |
| 20:59.30 | jelly | wtf is antix |
| 20:59.39 | jelly | !antix |
| 20:59.39 | dpkg | antiX is a live CD distribution based on <MEPIS>. It is not supported in #debian. http://antix.mepis.org/ #mepis on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
| 21:00.02 | n-iCe | my question is just that, if I select testing, will be stretch then? |
| 21:00.03 | jhutchins | testtt: Ok, so if you've removed the firewall and proved lo connection, jelly's right (as usual), the next thing to test/fix is the tunnel. |
| 21:00.12 | greycat | n-iCe: you aren't using Debian, so we can't answer that. |
| 21:00.13 | n4dir | n-iCe: the last time i used antix, quite a while ago, their /etc/apt/sources.list always looked like a bit of a mess to me |
| 21:00.15 | jelly | n-iCe: that seems to be a derivative distro, they make changes that this channel does not know about, and we can't really support it |
| 21:00.19 | n4dir | better ask at their forum |
| 21:00.24 | jelly | n-iCe: ask them. |
| 21:00.38 | n-iCe | ok thanks |
| 21:00.57 | n4dir | picking stable seems like a good choice to me anyway. good in the meaning of: rather safe than choosing testing |
| 21:00.58 | n-iCe | selected testing |
| 21:01.21 | n4dir | at their forum is also an integrated irc-chat, so you get real-time support too |
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| 21:01.36 | n-iCe | awesome |
| 21:02.42 | jelly | testtt: realize you'll have to add mysql user auth info that looks like 'user'@'127.0.0.1' |
| 21:02.52 | awal1 | n-iCe, antix is not supported here as you have been told. but ok, I tried it in the past, it is a nice debian based OS; choose stable if you want antix based on debian stable, or testing if you want it to be based on debian testing. I recommend stable. end of your story in debian channel :P |
| 21:03.09 | testtt | i need a break this is absurd |
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| 21:03.13 | testtt | it worked a week ago bbl |
| 21:03.14 | jelly | (or 'user'@'%') |
| 21:03.21 | n-iCe | awal1, thanks! |
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| 21:03.58 | greycat | That stupid "two different user accounts with the same name, one for TCP, one for Unix domain connections" is one of the most incredibly stupid things about MySQL. |
| 21:06.39 | pav | greycat: many more things got incredibly stupid since Oracle stepped in |
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| 21:07.03 | greycat | Fair, but that one predates the transfer. |
| 21:07.09 | Johnson1977 | Can someone help me install debian on a new laptop? |
| 21:07.14 | Johnson1977 | It has freedos on |
| 21:07.27 | Johnson1977 | and I made a debian image on usb stick and installed it |
| 21:07.31 | Johnson1977 | but after reboot |
| 21:07.38 | Johnson1977 | it still showed this freedos |
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| 21:08.36 | n-iCe | ok, installed |
| 21:09.09 | Johnson1977 | Should I do something with the partitionings? |
| 21:09.34 | danielh1234 | Johnson1977: Did you keep freedos partitions in partitioning or did you overwrite and replace everything (as far as you know)? |
| 21:09.37 | Johnson1977 | I restarted the install process, and it stopped at the partition disks screen |
| 21:09.46 | Johnson1977 | I see 2 parts |
| 21:09.48 | pav | greycat: yes it does. But I bet there is some new Oracle "feature" thing that takes a crown as "most incredibly stupid" |
| 21:09.53 | Johnson1977 | a primary, and logical |
| 21:10.09 | Johnson1977 | the logical is a few gigs, the primary is the rest (big) |
| 21:10.26 | jhutchins | greycat: I think you can have multiple accounts with the same name for different source URLs as well. |
| 21:10.31 | Johnson1977 | I guess the freedos is stored on the logical? |
| 21:10.43 | alekz | n-iCe: go and find support for that distro elsewhere |
| 21:11.00 | greycat | jhutchins: yes, but why would you *want to* |
| 21:11.05 | pav | Johnson1977: did you choose to install GRUB at the end of install procedure? |
| 21:11.12 | Johnson1977 | No i did not |
| 21:11.28 | Johnson1977 | I dont want freedos on anymore |
| 21:11.30 | danielh1234 | Johnson1977: Which image did you use? one of the standard CDs/DVDs/netinst or the live image? Did you install to the harddrive? |
| 21:11.36 | pav | that might be a problem Johnson1977 |
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| 21:12.23 | Johnson1977 | I used this: https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd |
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| 21:12.30 | jhutchins | greycat: I wouldn't, but that's exactly the kind of nonsense I've seen developers come up with. |
| 21:12.32 | Johnson1977 | it burned image to usb |
| 21:12.36 | Johnson1977 | and then installed it |
| 21:12.47 | Johnson1977 | If I install grub loader, will it be fixed? |
| 21:13.08 | n4dir | during the installation process there is (or has been) the partitioning part, where you can choose "use the whole disk" (or similar) |
| 21:13.10 | jhutchins | Johnson1977: Most likely that's what's missing. |
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| 21:13.24 | danielh1234 | Johnson1977: yes, the simplest - though not the fastest - way to fix it is to just do a new install and install GRUB at the end this time. |
| 21:13.27 | Johnson1977 | yes I selected that @n4dir |
| 21:13.35 | Fallenour1 | I have successfully DEBIANED! |
| 21:13.36 | pav | Johnson1977: as far as I know you have to have some loader, grub, lilo or else |
| 21:13.37 | n4dir | that's weird then. |
| 21:13.38 | jelly | the installer was supposed to install grub itself in the first place, but sometimes it guesses wrong and installs in onto the usb stick it booted from |
| 21:13.39 | Johnson1977 | ok let me try |
| 21:13.46 | Fallenour1 | 3 servers down, 3 to go o.o |
| 21:13.50 | jhutchins | Fallenour1: Welcome. |
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| 21:14.03 | Fallenour1 | jhutchins, youve missed the party my friend |
| 21:14.11 | Fallenour1 | its been a LOOONG day |
| 21:14.14 | jhutchins | Indeed. |
| 21:14.32 | fallenour | . |
| 21:14.35 | fallenour | thar we go |
| 21:15.00 | danielh1234 | Fallenour1: still working on OpenStack? Do you set up the components manually or do you use some kind of automation tool? |
| 21:15.07 | jhutchins | fallenour: Just gotta hold your toungue right. |
| 21:15.13 | pav | jelly: I think installer asks a question about installing grub. Johnson1977 choose not to install it, as i can see |
| 21:16.00 | n4dir | pav: that's how i understood it too. But if he has choosen to use the whole disk, it seems weird FreeDOS is still there. |
| 21:16.37 | fallenour | danielh1234 working on building everything from the floor up with Debian. Not my choice, and definitely not suggested since Ocata doesnt have a suggested install or build for debian, but im going to do it regardless. |
| 21:16.53 | fallenour | Im tracking the notes tightly though, so once its done, ILl automate the whole install, and roll a debian openstack |
| 21:17.02 | fallenour | because #winning and #whynot |
| 21:17.28 | jelly | still doesn't know which openstack vendor supports debian as a platform |
| 21:17.32 | fallenour | youll just have to bare with me, this is my first time with debian, and shes a unique first date to say the least |
| 21:17.45 | fallenour | none of them do jelly LOL |
| 21:18.03 | jelly | fallenour: what makes you think it's going to install, let alone work, then? |
| 21:18.14 | fallenour | because im going to make it work jelly |
| 21:18.17 | fallenour | come hell or high water |
| 21:18.28 | jelly | fallenour: are you part of #debian-openstack team? |
| 21:18.30 | fallenour | pllus it works at work. ish* |
| 21:18.34 | fallenour | nope |
| 21:18.39 | fallenour | but after this I could be |
| 21:18.58 | jelly | good fucking luck |
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| 21:19.03 | fallenour | lol |
| 21:19.12 | danielh1234 | fallenour: automation sounds like good idea, considering how long it takes to set up. I failed earlier with openstack-deploy (sid) because Horizon and Glance did not like each other. |
| 21:19.23 | jelly | I'm a 20 years debian user and I wouldn't use it as platform for openstack |
| 21:19.37 | jelly | I'd go with what canonical says will work |
| 21:19.45 | pav | I agree with jelly fallenour, openstack is a mean mothafuka |
| 21:19.47 | fallenour | I wouldnt either jelly , I prefer ubuntu |
| 21:19.53 | fallenour | oh absolutely pav |
| 21:20.12 | fallenour | I think the important part is the challenge though. If it was easy, it wouldnt be nearly as interesting |
| 21:20.38 | fallenour | plus I have to stay agnostic, which means an open pool for every version of cloud, to include debian |
| 21:20.40 | jelly | ah, for me the important part is making things work |
| 21:21.00 | jelly | that implies choosing the right tool for the task at hand |
| 21:21.03 | pav | Where the "if it works - don't touch it " suddenly disapeared ? |
| 21:21.20 | jelly | even if it *shudder* is not debian |
| 21:21.43 | fallenour | thats right jelly . so far ive gotten azure, ubuntu, and rhel openstack to work |
| 21:21.55 | fallenour | now all I need is debian |
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| 21:22.16 | pav | fallenour: good luck if they pay you for challange :) |
| 21:22.25 | jelly | I suggest joining #debian-openstack over on OFTC then |
| 21:22.49 | fallenour | they are paying me for it, so meh? Against recommendation at that |
| 21:23.03 | fallenour | ill have to check that out jelly |
| 21:24.05 | jelly | sometimes recommendations are there for a reason |
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| 21:24.13 | Fallenour | lol oops |
| 21:24.17 | Fallenour | so used to typing exit |
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| 21:24.35 | Fallenour | what channel was that again jelly? for #debian-openstack |
| 21:25.02 | jelly | yes. |
| 21:25.10 | jelly | that was it. |
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| 21:25.27 | Fallenour | seems empty |
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| 21:25.38 | jelly | on OFTC (irc.debian.org) |
| 21:25.41 | Fallenour | ahhh! |
| 21:25.43 | Johnson1977 | debian no gui? |
| 21:25.59 | greycat | GUIs are available |
| 21:26.11 | Johnson1977 | o crap how do I do that |
| 21:26.13 | Violinist | debian comes w xfce |
| 21:26.36 | greycat | Violinist: Debian comes with the ability to choose ANY of the common desktops, one of which is xfce, but that is not even CLOSE to being the default. |
| 21:26.43 | greycat | If anything, GNOME is the default desktop. |
| 21:26.55 | jelly | Violinist, are you still talking crap |
| 21:27.01 | Violinist | no i dl stretch a few days ago and it came w xfce |
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| 21:27.14 | greycat | You downloaded something that was not the default netinst image. |
| 21:27.23 | Violinist | i dl CD image |
| 21:27.35 | greycat | Do you intentionally TRY to make yourself sound stupid? |
| 21:27.49 | Violinist | excuseme? |
| 21:28.05 | jelly | can't tell if second language issues, or a very young person, or intentioal |
| 21:28.08 | greycat | You make false statements, and you use txt abbreviations that make you sound like a child. |
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| 21:28.25 | Violinist | im telling you what i did |
| 21:28.32 | pav | oh no. Flame is comming |
| 21:28.44 | jelly | in any case, stretch still defaults to Gnome sadly |
| 21:28.55 | Violinist | omfg |
| 21:29.17 | pav | calm down Violinist |
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| 21:30.01 | jelly | interestingly, the one remaining CD image with any sort of DE _is_ xfce |
| 21:30.05 | jelly | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/stretch_di_rc5/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 21:30.09 | Violinist | exactly |
| 21:30.13 | Violinist | there he goes |
| 21:30.28 | jelly | gnome was too big for cd even in jessie |
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| 21:31.18 | greycat | But the net-installer and the official DVD1 both still default to GNOME. |
| 21:31.20 | jelly | netinst however defaults to gnome |
| 21:31.44 | Fallenour | be one with the .deb, use no GUI |
| 21:31.46 | jelly | this may become an additional source of confuzzlement |
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| 21:31.51 | Fallenour | join us violinist |
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| 21:31.55 | greycat | This "CD-sized image that is not a net-installer, except come on, you will need a net" is a weird special snowflake thing. |
| 21:31.56 | Fallenour | join us in the darkness |
| 21:32.01 | Violinist | join what |
| 21:32.16 | Fallenour | run it without a gui |
| 21:32.19 | Fallenour | you can do it |
| 21:32.21 | Violinist | oh no |
| 21:32.23 | greycat | Fallenour: I use fvwm and startx. I do not use a Desktop Environment. |
| 21:32.27 | Violinist | thats for retards |
| 21:32.46 | crash_ | i3 and startx ftw here :) |
| 21:32.47 | Violinist | ur not a robot r u? |
| 21:32.56 | Fallenour | baah! every DC on the planet tries to shave off the GUI. its bulky, slows things down, and command line allows you to automate processes, making everything easier to manage to scale |
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| 21:33.09 | Violinist | i mean thats the reason they invented a frikken mouse u kno |
| 21:33.19 | teraflops | Fallenour: bah |
| 21:33.23 | Violinist | it slows nothing down |
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| 21:33.40 | greycat | Use whatever you like. |
| 21:33.46 | greycat | Debian gives you all the choices. |
| 21:33.47 | Violinist | thx thats nice of u |
| 21:34.23 | Violinist | oh yeah ill buy 3 4k monitors to look at DOS |
| 21:34.40 | pav | Xerox invented mouse originaly |
| 21:34.44 | Violinist | u friken lost ur marbles? |
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| 21:44.10 | n-iCe | ok, downloading Debian netinstall let's do this really minimal |
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| 21:57.55 | wallbroken | hi |
| 21:58.04 | wallbroken | i'm trying to install debian netinst x64 on virtualbox |
| 21:58.09 | wallbroken | but i get kernel panic on boot |
| 21:58.21 | wallbroken | with caps lock led blinking |
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| 22:01.15 | danielh1234 | wallbroken: how much RAM does your VM have? |
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| 22:04.16 | wallbroken | danielh1234 my PC has 6 gb ram |
| 22:04.38 | wallbroken | my vm has 1024 mb |
| 22:05.41 | pav | wallbroken: did the VM booted from CD? |
| 22:05.55 | pav | or just got kernel panic |
| 22:05.57 | wallbroken | pav, yes |
| 22:05.58 | wallbroken | https://postimg.org/image/4h7dlqenl/ |
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| 22:08.07 | pav | wallbroken: looks like misconfigured VM. Did you choose defaul settings for VM? |
| 22:09.43 | wallbroken | pav, yes |
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| 22:12.13 | pav | I'm not an VirtualBox expert, used it years ago. Have had no problems installing from netinst x64 on Hyper-V or VMware |
| 22:12.15 | danielh1234 | wallbroken: defaults for 'Debian (x64)' in category 'Linux' right? |
| 22:12.28 | wallbroken | no |
| 22:12.30 | wallbroken | there isn't |
| 22:12.38 | wallbroken | only 32bit config |
| 22:12.41 | wallbroken | of all OS |
| 22:12.46 | pav | oh |
| 22:12.57 | pav | That is a problem |
| 22:12.57 | wallbroken | and the image is 32bit too |
| 22:13.11 | wallbroken | i386 image, right? |
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| 22:13.27 | danielh1234 | didn't you write netinst x64? |
| 22:13.37 | wallbroken | no |
| 22:13.46 | wallbroken | oh yes |
| 22:13.51 | wallbroken | i'm dumb, sorry |
| 22:13.56 | pav | :) |
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| 22:14.04 | pav | we all are sometimes |
| 22:14.46 | danielh1234 | ok, just a shot in the dark, but try toggling the PAE feature in System tab |
| 22:14.55 | pav | glad we help you wit this one wallbroken :) |
| 22:14.58 | mackaw | speaking of all this talk of vm's does anyone know how to get .ova to work in Virtual Machine Manager? |
| 22:15.02 | wallbroken | that's virtualbox 64 bit, config at 32 with guest image at 32 bit |
| 22:15.16 | danielh1234 | which should work afaik |
| 22:16.08 | wallbroken | no luck :\ |
| 22:16.26 | wallbroken | maybe it's my cpu fault |
| 22:16.29 | wallbroken | it's a "shit" |
| 22:17.05 | pav | what model of cpu you have wallbroken ? |
| 22:17.30 | pav | maybe is just some BIOS option |
| 22:17.59 | wallbroken | https://ark.intel.com/it/products/67193/Intel-Celeron-Processor-B820-2M-Cache-1_70-GHz |
| 22:18.04 | danielh1234 | as for cpu problems you could temporirlt try disabling everything in System => Acceleration, it will be very slow but could help track down the problem. |
| 22:18.07 | mackaw | yeah it could be bios |
| 22:18.31 | mackaw | some have a setting for enabling virtualization on the bios |
| 22:18.36 | wallbroken | acceleration tab is grayed out |
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| 22:20.52 | danielh1234 | maybe check for Vt-x in BIOS |
| 22:22.47 | pav | for some reasons Vt-x is sometimes disabled by default |
| 22:23.19 | wallbroken | my bios is a strange bios |
| 22:23.26 | wallbroken | is called "insydeh20" |
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| 22:23.40 | wallbroken | and has poor options to be enabled by the user |
| 22:23.49 | n-iCe | Ok Debian netinstall is installed, i used iwconfig to connect to my wifi |
| 22:24.03 | n-iCe | But ping is not worked and iwconfigs show all ok |
| 22:24.17 | n-iCe | Any idea |
| 22:24.29 | n-iCe | Working |
| 22:24.33 | mackaw | insydehh20? |
| 22:24.42 | teraflops | n-iCe: iwconfig does not handle ip addresses or routes |
| 22:25.11 | n-iCe | Dhclient does? |
| 22:25.12 | teraflops | n-iCe: it does not even manage wpa by itself |
| 22:25.28 | n-iCe | What can I use then |
| 22:25.57 | teraflops | n-iCe: whatever you want but definitely not iwconfig |
| 22:26.07 | n-iCe | Tell me what else |
| 22:26.10 | n-iCe | I need wifi |
| 22:26.15 | n-iCe | System shows like is connected |
| 22:26.19 | danielh1234 | n-iCe: the easy way would be network-manager, provided you can install the packages (ethernet cable / CD) |
| 22:26.21 | n-iCe | Sent dhclient wlan0 |
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| 22:26.35 | teraflops | n-iCe: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 22:26.47 | n-iCe | I dont even have a desktop |
| 22:27.14 | n-iCe | Im in command line |
| 22:27.33 | danielh1234 | n-iCe: there's nmtui-connect (NetworkManager) |
| 22:27.40 | n-iCe | What? |
| 22:28.38 | teraflops | n-iCe: you perform the same effort reading here (irc) than reading the link I posted above |
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| 22:29.41 | n-iCe | Great help |
| 22:29.43 | n-iCe | I found it |
| 22:29.45 | n-iCe | Thanks |
| 22:29.48 | teraflops | np |
| 22:30.02 | n-iCe | Ifup wlan0 |
| 22:30.07 | n-iCe | Was all I needed |
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| 22:36.08 | wallbroken | VT-x is enabled |
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| 22:38.20 | danielh1234 | wallbroken: and was before as well I presume? What is your host OS? Windows? Some Linux? |
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| 22:39.11 | wallbroken | danielh1234, solved |
| 22:39.38 | wallbroken | i rebooted the laptop, and magically, acceleration tab appeared, and now is working good |
| 22:40.12 | danielh1234 | Ok, good to hear :) |
| 22:40.13 | wallbroken | is easy to install guest additions? |
| 22:41.09 | danielh1234 | usually yes, just remember to install linux-headers-something |
| 22:41.54 | danielh1234 | and maybe other packages that it complains about, or better yet try the guest additions from the Debian repos first |
| 22:43.02 | wallbroken | they are installed by default? |
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| 22:45.05 | danielh1234 | no, but there are packages available, try `apt install virtualbox-guest-dkms virtualbox-guest-utils virtualbox-guest-x11` |
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| 22:46.28 | kolnpole | how can i make two users use sound simultaneously on one sound put put , like i run game from one user and open yourtube via other user |
| 22:47.05 | kolnpole | i usally use root and when i need to run games i run them via differnt user with gksu |
| 22:47.21 | missmbob | virtualbox is now outside of debian. https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox |
| 22:47.51 | kolnpole | if i run chrome u cant hear any thing cuz the other user by which i am running game is outputting sound |
| 22:48.26 | danielh1234 | kolnpole: are you using pulseaudio? |
| 22:48.32 | kolnpole | yes |
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| 22:50.57 | danielh1234 | kolnpole: then you can either run it as a system daemon instead of per user or allow usage via module-native-protocol-{unix,tcp} see https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/Modules/#index22h3 |
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| 22:52.38 | danielh1234 | kolnpole: btw it may be a good idea to run not only games as a non-root user, especially since you mentioned YouTube which probably implies a web browser. |
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| 22:53.25 | jasonwc | Why is Firefox on version 52.2 ESR in Jessie but still 45.9 ESR in Stretch? |
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| 22:54.22 | missmbob | stretch is frozen |
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| 23:01.51 | jasonwc | missmbob, So, it'll update after release? |
| 23:02.59 | missmbob | it'll update. so close to release it might be before. but it will update |
| 23:05.34 | jasonwc | I'm having an issue (documented here - https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/6gsrkk/debian_stretch_resuming_from_suspend_only_wakes/) where my Stretch system only turns on my secondary monitor when it resumes from Standby. The Xorg logs don't seem to provide any useful info. Is there something else I can do to troubleshoot? |
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| 23:07.44 | kolnpole | danielh1234, sure |
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| 23:10.54 | danielh1234 | jasonwc: using i915 but sometimes my autoconfigured DP1-8 only wants to work with '--crtc 2' after a while. Does the primary monitor show up in xrandr at least when it's not visible in the GUI tools? |
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| 23:15.40 | jasonwc | danielh1234, That's a good point. I didn't think to check xandr before. This is what it outputs now (with both monitors working): https://pastebin.com/YNgdu1dh |
| 23:16.14 | jasonwc | Both monitors are connected via DP but the one that doesn't come back is using G-Sync (on regardless of driver setting) and 144Hz refresh |
| 23:17.16 | jasonwc | Next time this occurs, I'll check xandr. It's somewhat annoying to troubleshoot because it has to go to sleep for a while. If I go to sleep and wake in a few minutes. I thought it had something to do with the monitor going to sleep but I don't think turning the monitor off helps. |
| 23:18.51 | danielh1234 | jasonwc: when it's dead again but still shows up in xrandr, try to turn it --off first, then for example --auto, and if that does not help retry with the --crtc option. |
| 23:18.54 | wallbroken | somebody of you knows pandaboard? |
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| 23:19.16 | wallbroken | maybe i'm the only one i have it |
| 23:22.24 | jasonwc | danielh1234, Thanks, I will try that next time. I appreciate the advice. |
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| 23:30.59 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 23:42.42 | codebam | hey :) |
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| 23:47.19 | gry | codebam, greetings :) |
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| 23:50.52 | codebam | gry: how are you doing today? |
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| 23:51.49 | gry | codebam: I am fine, thank you; how about you? |
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