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| 00:59.46 | kunwon | is debian linux? |
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| 01:07.06 | max_nl | depends on what define as equality... |
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| 01:23.05 | Fallenour | jelly greycat almost got it all done. In debian, is there a way to capture an iamge of an entire system as it is currently, and export it anywhere? |
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| 01:25.10 | Tonk | Fallenour, by an entire system, do you mean just a partion? |
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| 01:26.10 | Fallenour | Tonk I mean in windows, C:, in Debian umm...whatever the equivalent to C is? |
| 01:26.18 | Fallenour | right now im on a single major partition |
| 01:26.24 | Fallenour | so im guessing its just / ? |
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| 01:28.36 | max_nl | Doesn't really make sense to backup you're whole system like that. You'll backup a lot of crap. |
| 01:28.37 | Tonk | Fallenour, yes. So dd your / partition to another partition. |
| 01:29.01 | Tonk | max_nl, how would you do it? |
| 01:29.05 | Fallenour | ok so with dd, can I do that over the network, to say a freenas volume? 8D |
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| 01:29.32 | max_nl | Just wondering what he's trying to do. |
| 01:29.41 | Tonk | Fallenour, ooh, over the network. |
| 01:29.47 | Fallenour | ive successfully built openstack on debian |
| 01:29.57 | Fallenour | im not about to do anything else until I made a damn copy LOOOL |
| 01:30.19 | Tonk | makes sense. |
| 01:30.59 | Tonk | max_nl, he's trying to make a back up. |
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| 01:31.24 | Tonk | read archive. bootable, I'd say. |
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| 01:33.44 | Tonk | i dont know how to do it over a network. in one step. |
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| 01:35.40 | Fallenour | alright tonk I apreciate it |
| 01:36.14 | jmcnaught | Fallenour: if you used LVM and some unallocated space then you can make a snapshot |
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| 01:36.52 | Fallenour | jmcnaught I actually did use LVM, I always do. how do I create a snapshot? |
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| 01:38.57 | jmcnaught | Fallenour: with a command like "lvcreate -s volumegroup/origin_volume -L 3G -n snapshot_name" (the lvcreate man page has a lot of details and also some examples) |
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| 01:39.40 | jmcnaught | that would make a snapshot that has 3 GB of space to record changes, obviously you would also need some unallocated space on that volume group |
| 01:40.24 | jmcnaught | the redhat lvm admin manual is really good if you need to brush up on the concepts a bit |
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| 01:41.41 | Fallenour | how can i force a service to start? |
| 01:42.25 | Darby_Crash | hi guys. Is Stretch the new stable now? |
| 01:42.47 | dvs | !wwsr |
| 01:42.47 | dpkg | Debian 9 "Stretch" is planned for release on 2017-06-17. There's still bugs that you can help fix or help migrate from sid to stretch. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help> https://udd.debian.org/bugs/ https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 01:43.38 | mackaw | 1566 bugs |
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| 01:45.33 | jmcnaught | Fallenour: what do you mean force? "systemctl enable foo.service" will make it start at boot, or change enable to start to start it immediately. If something doesn't start, you need to find why in the logs or "systemctl status foo" |
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| 01:47.11 | kunwon | so debian isn't linux? |
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| 01:47.25 | mackaw | it is |
| 01:47.28 | mackaw | its a fork |
| 01:48.04 | kunwon | so which one was it that isn't linux? |
| 01:48.07 | kunwon | ubuntu? |
| 01:48.15 | sypher | mackaw: Debian is a fork of what, exactly? |
| 01:48.23 | mackaw | i don't understand what you mean |
| 01:49.09 | sorin-mihai | kunwon, maybe you think about the *BSD variants? |
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| 01:49.09 | sypher | Linux is a kernel. Debian, Ubuntu, and many other distributions are operating systems that use the Linux kernel. Debian uses the GNU userland, which is why it is called Debian GNU/Linux. |
| 01:49.22 | sypher | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch01s03.html.en |
| 01:49.26 | jmcnaught | mackaw: a fork is when a project splits into two projects and continue separately. Debian is better described as a distribution of Linux with GNU and other software |
| 01:49.36 | mackaw | yeah i should have said flavor of linux |
| 01:49.50 | mackaw | BSD is fork |
| 01:49.59 | sorin-mihai | GNU/Hurd is not using Linux |
| 01:50.16 | sorin-mihai | BSD is not Linux |
| 01:50.18 | sypher | mackaw: A fork of what? |
| 01:50.36 | Fallenour | its telling me no MPM loaded |
| 01:50.45 | Fallenour | for apache2 |
| 01:50.45 | TomG2 | the extant BSDs are all forks of 386BSD I suppose |
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| 01:50.57 | jmcnaught | true, and there's also Debian GNU/kFreeBSD. however this non-support discussion is probably better off in #debian-offtopic ⺠|
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| 01:51.07 | TomG2 | or descendants |
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| 01:51.20 | jmcnaught | Fallenour: is the apache2 package installed? |
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| 01:51.32 | Fallenour | @jmcnaught yea it should be |
| 01:51.37 | Fallenour | ok this is gonna be insane |
| 01:51.44 | Fallenour | but if I give you direct access, would that help? |
| 01:51.47 | mackaw | Whoa a FreeBSD Debian?? |
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| 01:53.10 | jmcnaught | Fallenour: nah that's not a good idea, but all of us here can help you figure it out |
| 01:53.52 | Fallenour | im literally on the final step, the actual final step to any openstack install, and apache2 is down, its absolutely critical I get it back up and running |
| 01:55.21 | jmcnaught | Fallenour: can you make a paste of "ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled"? |
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| 01:55.40 | Fallenour | Ill try once it reboots |
| 01:56.04 | TomG2 | dpkg, tell mackaw about kfreebsd |
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| 01:58.31 | Fallenour | http://paste.debian.net/971794/ |
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| 01:59.34 | Fallenour | I do have an idea of what it might be |
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| 01:59.46 | Fallenour | when I installed my apache dashboard, it killed the service and generated an error |
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| 02:00.09 | Fallenour | how do I safely remove the dashboard package, and try to install it again, this time with the package maintainers suggested install? |
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| 02:02.13 | mackaw | apt-gget remove |
| 02:02.16 | sorin-mihai | no real need to uninstall something that didn't install as expected. just reinstall it following the docs |
| 02:02.21 | Fallenour | alraedy tried it, didnt work |
| 02:02.28 | Fallenour | I followed the docs to the t |
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| 02:03.39 | sorin-mihai | pastebin the error? |
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| 02:06.12 | Fallenour | yea gimme a sec, gonna finish image services install |
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| 02:07.38 | jmcnaught | why are you pushing ahead with new stuff? if the new stuff also doesn't work then you'll have to broken things instead of one. |
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| 02:08.59 | jmcnaught | you do have an MPM loaded, the event module (the default) |
| 02:10.11 | Fallenour | ooh hell |
| 02:10.13 | Fallenour | question |
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| 02:10.52 | Fallenour | if I say, set http://controller:service ports, instead of http://localhost:service ports, and controller is set to 127.0.0.2, would that break apache2? |
| 02:11.01 | Fallenour | and I dont know about MPM loaded? What is that? |
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| 02:12.27 | guestoflife | kinda excited about the new packages in debian..yup just sayin! |
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| 02:13.21 | jmcnaught | Fallenour: can you make a paste of "systemctl status apache2" and "journalctl -u apache2 -b"? |
| 02:13.55 | Fallenour | yea, give me a moment |
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| 02:16.07 | jmcnaught | Fallenour: the other place you would look for errors with apache is /var/log/apache2/error.log (and others) but these will be runtime errors that happen after apache2 has started successfully |
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| 02:27.13 | Fallenour | ok uploading one sec jmcnaught |
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| 02:28.05 | Fallenour | no journal files found |
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| 02:28.13 | Fallenour | apache2 logs were empty? |
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| 02:29.24 | Fallenour | this is what I get on start: |
| 02:29.27 | Fallenour | Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/apache2) |
| 02:29.27 | Fallenour | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.27 | Fallenour | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.27 | Fallenour | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:30.43 | Fallenour | http://paste.debian.net/971797/ |
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| 02:48.08 | tw | it's been so long since I've run apache. Does apachectl configtest still work? |
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| 02:54.38 | jmcnaught | Fallenour: did you run those commands as root? if you want to see that information as a regular non-root user, add that user to the adm and systemd-journal groups with the adduser command |
| 02:56.32 | Fallenour | I got a failed to start LSB |
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| 03:29.59 | Fallenour | ,v snapshot |
| 03:30.00 | judd | No package named 'snapshot' was found in amd64. |
| 03:30.15 | Fallenour | hey jmcnaught are you still on? |
| 03:30.21 | Fallenour | how do I do the snapshot again? |
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| 03:36.06 | f-a | hello folks, today (or yesterday) I apt-get update/upgrade my system and now firefox has gnome like scrollbars (like this https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/files/2013/03/document-scrolling.png ) |
| 03:36.48 | f-a | I prefer the old style and behaviour. I haven't got a de installed so I suppose it's a firefox choice. Any way to change it back? |
| 03:38.07 | f-a | (scroll bar being the one on the right) |
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| 03:40.54 | jmcnaught | Fallenour: with lvcreate https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Logical_Volume_Manager_Administration/ |
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| 03:46.32 | Fallenour | thanks jmcnaught ill look at it tomorrow. gonna crash for tonight. see you guys tomorrow |
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| 03:50.27 | hiya | is Debian 9 out? |
| 03:50.34 | hiya | or is there time? |
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| 03:58.27 | yokisuci | hypermist: Shouldbe released today |
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| 03:59.32 | yokisuci | hypermist: 17th June that is ^^ |
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| 04:12.30 | hypermist | yokisuci, i think you may've pinged me :P |
| 04:12.33 | hypermist | and im the wrong one |
| 04:12.34 | hypermist | lel |
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| 04:19.38 | jack_ | hello.. when is debian 9 going to be released? |
| 04:19.47 | jack_ | eagerly waiting for that. |
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| 04:20.48 | iskandaralmalak | on 17 th |
| 04:21.04 | jack_ | ok |
| 04:21.32 | zinc | eh... |
| 04:21.41 | zinc | nvm |
| 04:21.47 | jack_ | is debian the most preferred distro? |
| 04:22.05 | iskandaralmalak | it is mine |
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| 04:22.42 | jack_ | how is it compared to others like mint and manjaro? |
| 04:24.41 | bullgard4 | jack_: To get a faint idea, read http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian and the tow others. |
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| 04:25.08 | bullgard4 | s/tow/two/ |
| 04:25.26 | dax | lol distrowatch |
| 04:25.49 | jack_ | can distrowatch page hit rankings be relied upon? |
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| 04:26.24 | dax | they're reliably based on page hits |
| 04:26.36 | dax | why you would care how often people go on the distrowatch pages for various distros is beyond me |
| 04:27.02 | jack_ | ok. How can I install debian and make it as usable to newbies as mint or ubuntu? |
| 04:27.34 | jack_ | I find the stability of debian more appealing. |
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| 04:29.24 | jack_ | I found another distro on that site. mx linux. how is that? it is based on debian stable. |
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| 05:11.11 | sumyunseal | is the release coming |
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| 05:13.51 | themill | tharkun: it's limited by the buffer length not the number of files; usually it's a good time to use 'find' if this is a problem |
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| 05:16.12 | tharkun | themill: Long time no see my friend. Thanks for the answer. I still have to generate the second part that are about another 45k so I'll dig into find. |
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| 05:21.07 | themill | !arg_max |
| 05:21.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, arg_max is the maximum length of arguments for a process, defined in /usr/include/linux/limits.h (normally 131072). for an estimation of the actually usable value run "expr `getconf ARG_MAX` - `env | wc -c` - `env | wc -l` * 5 - 2048" |
| 05:21.15 | themill | I knew the bot had it somewhere.... |
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| 05:24.55 | dax | hrm, that command doesn't work for me |
| 05:25.10 | dax | something about the *5 bit is making it unhappy |
| 05:26.29 | dax | oh, duh, because bash thinks it's a wildcard |
| 05:26.43 | themill | yeah, I've poked dpkg about that |
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| 05:28.26 | tharkun | themill: Thanks again |
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| 05:29.53 | tharkun | themill: BTW I copy pasted the command and it rendered a expr: syntax error it's a bit too late for me to debug right now. Good night. |
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| 05:30.06 | themill | tharkun: replace * with \* in it |
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| 06:25.38 | xormor | I already downloaded "stretch" yesterday. Is it the same version that will come out today? |
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| 06:26.25 | nkuttler | xormor: does it matter? you can just upgrade anyway |
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| 06:27.56 | sumyunseal | is it release yet |
| 06:28.18 | themill | xormor: the packages are these same, the gpg signature will be different |
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| 06:33.09 | t0m | every time i try to run a java program either from command line or in ice weasel it logs me out and drops me back to the login screen, any suggestions? |
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| 06:40.56 | Fyr | today is 17th! |
| 06:41.01 | Fyr | where is Debian 9? |
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| 06:42.09 | sumyunseal | is it here |
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| 06:44.25 | sumyunseal | oh i see |
| 06:44.37 | sumyunseal | ive been trying to install node while runing out of space |
| 06:44.42 | sumyunseal | duuuuuuuuuur |
| 06:44.48 | sumyunseal | fuk my life |
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| 06:46.08 | boser | debian 9 run fine on my little laptop. now. |
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| 06:47.20 | ripdog | does pre-release stretch upgrade cleanly into release stretch? |
| 06:47.24 | zjoeke | got a problem with my audio if i put a volume slider on the taskbar and slide it to 0 it mutes 2 other channels in alsa mixer so i have to unmute them ? |
| 06:47.52 | tacocat | ripdog: it should be fine |
| 06:48.00 | ripdog | thanks |
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| 06:57.08 | pie3 | anyone using wireshark? |
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| 07:07.19 | xormor | pie3, I used to use it a bit. Haven't used it for a while. |
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| 07:07.44 | pie3 | ok xormor |
| 07:07.52 | pie3 | is it possible to start it wihotu sudo? |
| 07:07.57 | xormor | pie3, yes! |
| 07:08.08 | pie3 | how? xormor |
| 07:08.10 | xormor | pie3, you have to add your user to the group "wireshark". |
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| 07:08.14 | pie3 | https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/collab-maint/ext-maint/wireshark/trunk/debian/README.Debian?view=markup |
| 07:08.17 | pie3 | does this define ? |
| 07:08.21 | pie3 | how to add it? |
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| 07:08.38 | xormor | pie3, groupadd wireshark... let me try to install it myself... |
| 07:08.41 | pie3 | i am not much aware about users and group since i am new to linux |
| 07:08.45 | xormor | pie3, or addgroup |
| 07:08.46 | pie3 | ok |
| 07:08.57 | pie3 | shoudl i open the terminal? |
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| 07:09.28 | xormor | pie3, yes. |
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| 07:09.39 | o33 | Follow the command: dpkg-reconfigure wireshark-common |
| 07:09.47 | pie3 | opened |
| 07:09.55 | pie3 | what should i enter now? |
| 07:10.27 | pie3 | usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure must be run as root |
| 07:10.30 | pie3 | this is output |
| 07:10.33 | Hyp3ri0n | http://packetlife.net/blog/2010/mar/19/sniffing-wireshark-non-root-user/ |
| 07:10.38 | pie3 | when i run command suggested by you o33 |
| 07:10.41 | Hyp3ri0n | follow this guide |
| 07:10.49 | pie3 | https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/collab-maint/ext-maint/wireshark/trunk/debian/README.Debian?view=markup |
| 07:10.51 | pie3 | can this help? |
| 07:10.52 | pie3 | how? |
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| 07:10.57 | pie3 | tell me step by step please |
| 07:11.06 | xormor | pie3, "Dumpcap can be installed in a way that allows members of the "wireshark" system group to capture packets. This is recommended â â over the alternative of running Wireshark/Tshark directly as root, because less of the code will run with elevated privileges. â â â â For more detailed |
| 07:11.07 | xormor | information please see /usr/share/doc/wireshark-common/README.Debian. â â â â Enabling this feature may be a security risk, so it is disabled by default. If in doubt, it is suggested to leave it disabled. â â â â Should non-superusers be able to capture packets? " |
| 07:11.46 | rahdartus | can somebody help me on kali |
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| 07:11.49 | OtakuSenpai | just "click" the link,its explained there |
| 07:11.52 | o33 | pie3: sudo dpkg-reconfigure wireshark-common |
| 07:11.52 | at0m | !kali |
| 07:11.52 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 07:11.53 | OtakuSenpai | !kali |
| 07:12.54 | pie3 | o33: it opened a window? |
| 07:12.58 | pie3 | should i press ok? |
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| 07:13.08 | pie3 | https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/collab-maint/ext-maint/wireshark/trunk/debian/README.Debian?view=markup |
| 07:13.12 | o33 | If you don't use sudo, you need to switch to root user. |
| 07:13.14 | pie3 | sorry wrong link pasted |
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| 07:13.28 | xormor | how do I add user "lauri" to group "wireshark"? |
| 07:13.34 | xormor | I am flabbergasted. |
| 07:13.40 | pie3 | someone suggested me that one should not use sudo while running wireshark |
| 07:13.49 | pie3 | so i am lookign for alternate ways to run wireshark |
| 07:13.56 | o33 | xormor: useradd -a -G wireshark lauri |
| 07:14.18 | pie3 | is this waht i should follow? xormor |
| 07:14.24 | pie3 | o33 instruction |
| 07:14.28 | pie3 | or command |
| 07:14.33 | OtakuSenpai | pie3: for got damn sake just see the link i posted |
| 07:14.39 | mappy | less of wireshark runs as root, sure, but now any process running as you can capture packets |
| 07:14.41 | OtakuSenpai | http://packetlife.net/blog/2010/mar/19/sniffing-wireshark-non-root-user/ |
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| 07:16.10 | o33 | It isn't necessary to use root to run and manage Wireshark. |
| 07:18.17 | skurz0 | I feel the sys/random.h header is missing on /usr/include. According to getrandom(2) it should be present (and I feel it should come with libc). Does anyone have any hint? |
| 07:18.20 | xormor | sudo useradd -g lauri wireshark |
| 07:18.30 | xormor | in the place of "lauri" there needs to be the username. |
| 07:19.13 | o33 | xormor: "lauri" isn't your login user? |
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| 07:19.48 | xormor | o33, it is my login user on my machine... I will log out now and relogin. It already displayed the group in the console, "wireshark". |
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| 07:20.15 | BenNZ | xormor: need to use usermod -aG instead |
| 07:20.26 | o33 | xormor: yep, you need reboot OS. |
| 07:20.27 | rahdartus | i hv problem on installing virtual box on kali |
| 07:20.46 | at0m | dpkg: tell rahdartus about kali |
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| 07:21.18 | xormor | now it works |
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| 07:21.44 | o33 | xormor: sorry, BenNZ has adjusted the fault. it should be to use usermod command. |
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| 07:22.22 | at0m | rahdartus: please do not /msg individual users. follow what dpkg told you. |
| 07:23.17 | o33 | no adjust, Thank BenNZ for pointing out the wrong. |
| 07:24.11 | mappy | skurz0: looks like a real bug, debian doesn't have any packages containing the right sys/random.h afaict |
| 07:24.20 | mappy | only kfreebsd headers and unrelated packages |
| 07:24.45 | mappy | i assume libstdc++'s tr1/random.h isn't equivalent |
| 07:24.50 | skurz0 | i think so, can you open a bug report? |
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| 07:25.06 | skurz0 | shouldn't be, getrandom is a syscall |
| 07:26.03 | mappy | you can call the syscall directly with the headers in <linux/random.h>, right? so this is a case of the provided glibc headers not matching the man page |
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| 07:26.55 | mappy | oh, figured it out |
| 07:27.02 | mappy | my glibc on stretch is 2.24, man 2 getrandom says "Support was added to glibc in version 2.25" |
| 07:27.29 | mappy | i guess that means it will be automatically fixed once debian gets a newer glibc |
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| 07:28.20 | skurz0 | ouch, i also have 2.24 |
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| 07:28.43 | skurz0 | so this issue is closed |
| 07:28.49 | skurz0 | thanks a lot |
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| 07:30.01 | Bliepo | Hello everyone, my SSH logins are rather slow. During password and time code entering (I use Google-authenticator) everything is smooth. Then it 'hangs' for a bit and after that everything is smooth again. |
| 07:30.38 | skurz0 | Bliepo: probably DNS issues |
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| 07:31.14 | JNICH0L | Bliepo: Local or remote? |
| 07:32.13 | Bliepo | remote |
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| 07:33.21 | Bliepo | skurz0: DNS works fine though? |
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| 07:34.01 | o33 | pie3: It must have a prompt to tell you what's wrong. |
| 07:35.03 | spacebug^ | Bliepo: is it a very old and slow computer, and you are using encrypted home? |
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| 07:35.47 | Bliepo | It is not an old computer, but it is only an intel celeron |
| 07:35.54 | Bliepo | I am not using encrypted home |
| 07:36.03 | spacebug^ | ok, then it's not that |
| 07:36.31 | mappy | the DNS suggestion is because sshd will rdns lookup the connecting IP, how fast is it to rdns look up your ip? do you have a caching resolver installed locally? |
| 07:36.46 | mappy | any slow scripts in your motd or shell prompt? etc |
| 07:36.49 | Bliepo | I have dnsmasq installed yes |
| 07:37.06 | Bliepo | No scripts or motd |
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| 07:38.04 | mappy | if no one comes up with another obvious answer... you could run sshd under strace to see what it's doing |
| 07:39.15 | Bliepo | Hmmm |
| 07:39.19 | Bliepo | Will try that later |
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| 07:44.21 | Bliepo | Actually, could it be PAM? I am getting this error with SFTP (ProFTPD server): PAM authentication error (14) for user : Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session |
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| 07:45.27 | Bliepo | Unfortunately don't have the time right now to do strace |
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| 07:47.10 | pie3 | back |
| 07:47.26 | mappy | seems plausible... a question back to you, what's the benefit of running proftpd for an sftpd instead of just openssh? |
| 07:47.26 | pie3 | xormor: hi |
| 07:48.15 | Bliepo | Well, obviously that is for eh... errr... reasons :P |
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| 07:49.01 | Bliepo | Also, I would like some users to have sftp access, but not have ssh |
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| 07:50.19 | mappy | not trying to convert you or anything, but the ssh way of doing that is to set the user's login shell to /bin/false or the special ssh version of it |
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| 07:50.49 | Bliepo | Hmmm |
| 07:50.54 | Bliepo | That might actually be simpler |
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| 07:54.12 | Bliepo | Well, that fixed my sftp problem, though that one is also slow |
| 07:54.52 | Bliepo | Well, thanks for the help! |
| 07:55.05 | Bliepo | Have to leave now! Will do the strace later and come back |
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| 07:56.56 | Dollar | Stretch released? |
| 07:57.39 | luna_ | Dollar: they are working on it |
| 07:57.48 | Dollar | alright :) |
| 07:57.49 | luna_ | #Debian-release: Idle quietly please, release in progress! for Stretch |
| 07:58.00 | sumyunseal | are doing it |
| 07:58.02 | sumyunseal | ? |
| 07:58.14 | Dollar | I am waiting, the server too :D |
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| 07:59.36 | Tegu | this site seems to have quite frequent updates https://micronews.debian.org/ (found from https://bits.debian.org/2017/06/upcoming-stretch.html ) |
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| 08:01.19 | sumyunseal | oldstable |
| 08:01.26 | sumyunseal | ok so what is wheezy coz |
| 08:01.30 | sumyunseal | im using it |
| 08:02.00 | sumyunseal | is wheezy granpa |
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| 08:03.10 | abhikpal | sumyunseal: wheezy should be oldoldstable, no? |
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| 08:03.57 | sumyunseal | no jessie is old stable |
| 08:04.07 | Tegu | looks like you should upgrade your wheezy within one year https://wiki.debian.org/LTS (support ends in May 2018) |
| 08:04.38 | mappy | as of 10 minutes ago, it's stable=stretch oldstable=jessie oldoldstable=wheezy |
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| 08:05.46 | Nik05 | mappy where do you read that? |
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| 08:06.31 | mappy | Nik05: https://micronews.debian.org/2017/1497693686.html and other posts |
| 08:07.26 | Nik05 | oké, nothing on news yet... |
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| 08:29.41 | pie3 | hyp3 |
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| 08:39.18 | xormor | pie3, hi |
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| 08:39.55 | pie3 | hello xormor was sleeping? |
| 08:39.59 | xormor | pie3, it was not difficult for me to add the "wireshark" group for my user "lauri". |
| 08:40.19 | pie3 | how did you add it? xormor |
| 08:40.19 | xormor | pie3, I was outside talking with my mathematician computer sciences neighbor. |
| 08:40.20 | pie3 | tell me |
| 08:40.23 | xormor | pie3, I am brewing coffee now. |
| 08:40.29 | pie3 | wow great neighbour!!!! |
| 08:41.14 | xormor | pie3, addgroup loginname wireshark |
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| 08:48.17 | dalk | !based on debian |
| 08:48.18 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 08:55.07 | pie3 | xormor: what fun things can be done in wireshark |
| 08:55.09 | pie3 | tell me some things |
| 08:55.14 | pie3 | wireshark is open now |
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| 08:57.13 | bazhang | https://www.wireshark.org/docs/wsug_html_chunked/ pie3 |
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| 08:57.58 | pie3 | give me some extracted thigns bazhang |
| 08:58.04 | pie3 | to try with some fun |
| 08:58.07 | pie3 | and learn |
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| 08:58.23 | xormor | pie3, you have to choose "Any" |
| 08:58.31 | bazhang | pie3, have a read of the link I gave you |
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| 09:08.57 | xormor | pie3, you have to choose "Any" |
| 09:09.26 | pie3 | ok i choose it xormor |
| 09:09.28 | pie3 | what next |
| 09:09.31 | pie3 | how to interpret results |
| 09:09.32 | xormor | pie3, then, read the text in the ASCII window - see the words freenode etc. there. and upper screen you have things like SYN, ACK and PONG. |
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| 09:10.08 | xormor | pie3, SYN is "synchronize", ACK is "acknowledge", PONG is an answer to PING. |
| 09:10.19 | xormor | pie3, you can try to see if your passwords are in plaintext. |
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| 09:12.43 | pie3 | i couldnot lcoate "freenode" in result xormor |
| 09:13.15 | pie3 | ascii window is top most window? xormor there are 3 main windows |
| 09:13.53 | sumyunseal | what is this new gnome panel on bottom right |
| 09:13.56 | sumyunseal | left |
| 09:14.04 | sumyunseal | hwo i get rid of it |
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| 09:15.18 | xormor | pie3, ASCII is lower |
| 09:16.00 | xormor | pie3, 10.00000000037.136.37.25362.241.198.245DNS79Standard query 0x7c5e A chat.freenode.net |
| 09:16.09 | pie3 | lower window has only data like hex digits. there are no word like "freenode" even it displays one at a time so how to find across all packates? |
| 09:16.11 | pie3 | xormor: |
| 09:16.13 | xormor | pie3, this is my first line, scroll up and find the first or one of the first lines. |
| 09:16.20 | pie3 | ok let me see |
| 09:16.25 | xormor | pie3, ASCII is the lowest window with raw data. |
| 09:16.44 | xormor | pie3, right hand side of the lowest window. |
| 09:16.53 | pie3 | hmm |
| 09:16.55 | xormor | pie3, the left hand and center are hex digits. |
| 09:17.09 | pie3 | righthand side of lower panel is unreadable since random data |
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| 09:18.53 | luna__ | Debian 9 ikväll |
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| 09:20.54 | |subz3r0| | hi |
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| 09:21.10 | |subz3r0| | any eta? just installed some bit torrent client to spend a little BW |
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| 09:21.43 | Nik05 | |subz3r0| eta on what? |
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| 09:22.16 | |subz3r0| | the release? :) |
| 09:22.23 | |subz3r0| | because i can still not find it |
| 09:22.31 | Nik05 | they are working on it https://micronews.debian.org/ |
| 09:22.42 | Nik05 | respositories are already changed |
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| 09:24.06 | iiious | waiting for debian 9 iso |
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| 09:25.00 | TinkerTiger | Will Debian finally scramble me an egg? |
| 09:25.31 | bub_ | debian 9 sooooon.. weeeeeeeeee |
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| 09:36.53 | pie3 | xormor: i dont have word freenode |
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| 09:38.10 | iBattaglin | its coming today..... |
| 09:38.13 | iBattaglin | wohoo |
| 09:38.58 | terryflaps | rozie: is this some kind of ceremony to say hello to the new release? :P |
| 09:42.05 | TinkerTiger | I *suppose* I will have to read up on this Debian 9 thing to see if it is worth my time. |
| 09:42.30 | rozie | no, but it may be good moment to make p2p more popular |
| 09:42.40 | terryflaps | xD |
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| 09:43.28 | dalk | The release team are inspecting the final set of files for stretch #releasingstretch (https://micronews.debian.org/2017/1497697894.html) |
| 09:43.56 | iBattaglin | :-) |
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| 09:47.05 | bub_ | Wooo :) |
| 09:47.19 | dutchfish | also take a peak at https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 09:50.54 | ChunkzZ1 | is it out yet? lol sorry if it's been asked already... |
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| 09:52.02 | spacebug^ | ChunkzZ1: no. Follow here https://micronews.debian.org/ |
| 09:52.29 | TinkerTiger | Thinking about that many bugs makes me think too much of work. |
| 09:52.51 | ChunkzZ1 | spacebug^, thanks matey! |
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| 10:13.12 | apurv | how long before debian 9 is released |
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| 10:14.23 | TinkerTiger | Well, won't be able to update several of my machines. heh. |
| 10:14.42 | abhikpal | apurv: https://micronews.debian.org/ |
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| 10:15.58 | apurv | abhikpal, thanks :) |
| 10:17.22 | maxxe | yes! stretch seems close. ;) |
| 10:17.51 | |subz3r0| | gogogogogogo :D |
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| 10:18.14 | G1up1n0 | on the way! |
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| 10:23.26 | |subz3r0| | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmwFtOJaOcA |
| 10:23.27 | |subz3r0| | :D |
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| 10:23.57 | TinkerTiger | Is this more of a champaigne moment, or something more like Mountain Dew. ;) |
| 10:24.24 | |subz3r0| | good single malt |
| 10:24.27 | |subz3r0| | moment |
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| 10:29.59 | |subz3r0| | whos or what is buster? |
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| 10:31.13 | at0m | |subz3r0|: buster is the new testing |
| 10:31.36 | at0m | is, or better, will be |
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| 10:32.12 | at0m | !buster |
| 10:32.12 | dpkg | The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html |
| 10:33.11 | |subz3r0| | ahh :> |
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| 10:34.18 | Nik05 | Buster, not a toy... How unstable will it be? |
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| 10:34.47 | TinkerTiger | So, the Buster Bar at Dairy Queen is named after a dog. No wonder it tastes funny. |
| 10:34.49 | Nik05 | Buster likes destroying toys |
| 10:35.03 | at0m | in the film, buster is most cooperative with the toys. he doesn't destroy them at all |
| 10:35.10 | Nik05 | really? |
| 10:35.19 | Nik05 | guess I need to watch again |
| 10:35.26 | at0m | he knows they're alive, helps them, till toystory3 where he's old and lazy and sleepy |
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| 10:36.19 | Nik05 | Sorry I misread |
| 10:36.27 | Nik05 | Andy's pet, but Sid's pet :P |
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| 10:36.36 | Nik05 | not* |
| 10:36.41 | at0m | ah, indeed |
| 10:36.43 | Nik05 | Andy's pet, NOT Sid's pet :P |
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| 10:37.47 | Nik05 | at0m is he in toystory 1? |
| 10:37.50 | RattusRattus | joins in here because this channel is full on OFTC :-) |
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| 10:38.49 | at0m | http://pixar.wikia.com/wiki/Buster |
| 10:39.07 | lavenders | what is the most stable window mangaer, no sugar - just solid and minimal? |
| 10:39.20 | apurv | i3 wm? |
| 10:39.22 | lavenders | ive had a look at all the shipped ones, what are your prefs, i like xfce but its old |
| 10:39.50 | |subz3r0| | xfce looks like its from the 90s |
| 10:39.56 | |subz3r0| | same for lxde |
| 10:39.58 | apurv | if you want just a WM and no DE, otherwise Xfce with Xfwm |
| 10:39.59 | SynrG | i'm happy with openbox |
| 10:39.59 | Tegu | i3 or awesome, maybe? |
| 10:40.02 | |subz3r0| | kde is overloaded |
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| 10:40.21 | Nik05 | Guess I have never seen Toy Store 2 |
| 10:40.22 | apurv | xfce looks fine after a little tweaking |
| 10:40.25 | RattusRattus | XFCE or LXDE are the smallest desktops. |
| 10:40.41 | SynrG | lxde has openbox as its wm |
| 10:40.41 | lavenders | its fine looking old, but the bugs in the terminal output argl, its last release was feb 15 lol |
| 10:40.41 | |subz3r0| | Are we there yet? |
| 10:40.43 | at0m | RattusRattus: *box begs to differ. |
| 10:40.51 | SynrG | but you can use openbox by itself if you like |
| 10:40.51 | RattusRattus | in todays release the only desktop that fits on a CD will be xfce |
| 10:41.05 | mrr0butt | hi |
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| 10:41.24 | RattusRattus | at0m: OK of the supported desktops being currently built as official debian release right now.... |
| 10:41.26 | at0m | fluxbox, openbox,.. are way lightweight. |
| 10:41.31 | Nik05 | Xfce looks fine by default... |
| 10:41.36 | Nik05 | at least on Debian |
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| 10:42.10 | apurv | I've been using xfce for a long time, it's buggy, but doesn't feel old... an the less resource consumption is another good thing about it |
| 10:42.15 | mrr0butt | have some issiues connecting wlan over network-manager in debian 9 |
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| 10:42.28 | at0m | the *box's use around 4MB, in sharp contrast to KDE which is in the 100s |
| 10:42.36 | lavenders | apurv, i like/have xfce but because of the bugs i start to look around |
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| 10:43.23 | apurv | lavenders, bugs can be a pain, but terminal works fine as a fallback for me |
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| 10:43.43 | SynrG | lavenders: my compromise between a full on desktop and just a WM is to use lxde, but with certain things not autostarted, e.g. xscreensaver, pcmanfm (graphical file manager i don't like / use very often) |
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| 10:44.18 | SynrG | so that gives me openbox plus a panel, and some other desktop integration (like the ability to show passive notification bubbles) |
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| 10:44.30 | mrr0butt | if i turn off network-manager and connect with "ip link set dev <iface> up ; iw dev <iface> connect -w <ssid> <apmac> ; dhclient -v <iface>" everything is fine |
| 10:44.45 | RattusRattus | mrr0butt - I assume that you mean the testing version of debian 9 as stable is still 8.x |
| 10:44.56 | mrr0butt | no strech |
| 10:44.58 | mrr0butt | 9 |
| 10:45.10 | mrr0butt | stretch |
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| 10:45.28 | mrr0butt | 4.9 kernel |
| 10:45.47 | RattusRattus | stretch is still in testing (well frozen, the release is in progress) |
| 10:46.18 | Nik05 | oh Sid's dog is called skid |
| 10:46.22 | RattusRattus | but even so... network manager problems... |
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| 10:47.55 | RattusRattus | mrr0butt: so have you deleted the AP entry from network manager and tried again? I know that there have been previous problems in this area |
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| 10:48.36 | mrr0butt | yes i did and the ap im connecting is an open hotspot without encryption |
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| 10:51.06 | RattusRattus | mrr0butt: so what happens when you try and use network manager? (ps and what desktop) |
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| 10:51.49 | mrr0butt | xfce4, it makes 3 tries and stops trying |
| 10:53.10 | RattusRattus | mrr0butt: https://askubuntu.com/questions/211347/networkmanager-refuses-to-manage-my-wlan-interface << could be relevant? |
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| 10:55.12 | apurv | got to go guys... :) |
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| 10:56.03 | Nik05 | how long does it take to create an image for debian? |
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| 10:56.42 | at0m | neglectible time compared to close release-critical bugs. |
| 10:56.51 | Nik05 | :P |
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| 11:20.16 | yans | hello |
| 11:20.28 | anjum | Greetings. |
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| 11:30.52 | linuxthefish | hey, does anyone know what tools i can use to make a bootable windows 7 USB drive on debian? i've tried unetbootin but the USB drive doesn't show up |
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| 11:33.35 | TinkerTiger | I don't but come to think of it, I need to do it for Win10 for a machine that just died. |
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| 11:35.35 | teraflops | TinkerTiger: uefi? |
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| 11:36.54 | lavenders | lol before i complain about xfce i sould probably update to x4.12, and there is x1.14 in the making, thumps up |
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| 11:37.04 | Fyr | is Debian 9 release being postponed? |
| 11:37.05 | lavenders | *x4.14 |
| 11:37.44 | RattusRattus | Fyr: no - it is in progress at the moment |
| 11:38.02 | TheLemonMan | Fyr, https://micronews.debian.org/ you can follow the release in real time |
| 11:38.09 | RattusRattus | do not expect images available for another few hours yet! |
| 11:38.38 | lavenders | is it advisable to upgrade from deb8 to deb9, normal full installed amd64 ? |
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| 11:39.45 | RattusRattus | if you want to help with the testing of images (especially if you have exotic/old bare metal) then take a look here: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting/Stretch |
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| 11:41.49 | RattusRattus | images are not yet ready to test though |
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| 12:07.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi peeps |
| 12:07.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | how can i get sudo -l to go into columns? |
| 12:07.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | its so hard to look at.. |
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| 12:10.46 | TinkerTiger | Sorry, sudo -l? |
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| 12:15.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | oh snap i got it! |
| 12:15.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | sudo -l | sort -n | sed 's/,/\n/g' | less |
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| 12:23.35 | anjum | There's literally a utility called 'column' |
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| 12:30.26 | pie3 | what is importance of $PATH |
| 12:30.30 | pie3 | is it required to configure? |
| 12:31.38 | toruvinn | pie3, you can leave it empty if you want to specify full path to every binary you're running. ;-) careful with scripts, though, they often assume core utilities are, well, in PATH. |
| 12:32.30 | pie3 | so what is recommmended? toruvinn configuring $path? |
| 12:32.32 | anjum | $PATH is an environment variable which is a string of paths to the directories to common utilities. |
| 12:32.37 | pie3 | or leave it as it is?. |
| 12:32.49 | pie3 | i dont know what is by default $path with this OS |
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| 12:33.45 | anjum | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PATH_%28variable%29 |
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| 12:37.34 | toruvinn | pie3, im fairly sure your distro (which should be debian, since it's #debian) sets up right PATH in your .shellrc or /etc/profile or other already. leave it as is, only add things there, probably 0 reason to remove anything. |
| 12:37.55 | toruvinn | for example, people often add ~/bin/ or similar to their path at the end |
| 12:38.14 | sypher | pie3: Note that he said 'add', not 'replace'. |
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| 12:40.56 | sypher | pie3: You're also running Mint and not Debian, so this would be the wrong place to ask. |
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| 12:41.59 | sypher | pie3: And please stop needlessly PMing me. Mint has a channel on Freenode, I believe. |
| 12:42.09 | sypher | pie3: #linuxmint, I think? |
| 12:42.26 | pie3 | it has on spotchat |
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| 12:42.48 | luna__ | Debian release party @ mumble.debian.net |
| 12:42.51 | sypher | pie3: I can tell you that $PATH is automatically configured on Mint as it is on Debian and most any other Linux distribution. |
| 12:43.14 | sypher | pie3: What I can't tell you is how that automatic configuration might differ from Debian's. I'd encourage you to ask in a Mint channel. |
| 12:43.15 | dontknow | isn't debian supposeto be released today_ |
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| 12:43.51 | sypher | dontknow: Yes, as far as I know. Of course, "today" is still early. |
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| 12:44.20 | anjum | Specfically, a new version of Debian, ues. |
| 12:44.23 | anjum | Specfically, a new version of Debian, yes. |
| 12:44.32 | JuniusBrutus | We should sue Debian for false advertising |
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| 12:46.09 | yann-kaelig | Hi. Did you see Debian 9 ? |
| 12:46.21 | larsrh | I've just successfully upgraded to stretch, but there are three packages in '~o' that I can't remove: libgnutls-deb0-28, libhogweed2, and libnettle4. Trying to remove any of those would entail uninstalling curl and the like. |
| 12:46.27 | larsrh | Can I fix this or should I ignore these packages? |
| 12:47.22 | dontknow | i have four packages debian hold: kernel, kernel header, xorg |
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| 12:47.54 | dontknow | i scare if they would break the system if i installed them |
| 12:47.58 | dontknow | dist-upgrade |
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| 13:03.54 | zykotick9 | toruvinn: <sidenote re: ~/bin> people don't actually need to add that to their path (in debian), just create the directory - log out - log in and it's automagically added to the users' path. |
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| 13:05.40 | user____ | at wat time wud debian.org reflect stretch? |
| 13:06.16 | Ulrar | Good question |
| 13:06.20 | JuniusBrutus | user____, it'll probably be announced here first https://micronews.debian.org/ |
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| 13:06.29 | Ulrar | According to mastodon test installs are in progress right now |
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| 13:06.57 | user____ | ok |
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| 13:14.01 | larsrh | I managed to find a solution ... aptitude offered to downgrade librtmp1 |
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| 13:20.57 | fdbxnbee | hello |
| 13:21.07 | fdbxnbee | anyone online? |
| 13:21.13 | dontknow | yes |
| 13:21.21 | fdbxnbee | hey.. |
| 13:21.27 | fdbxnbee | got a question. |
| 13:21.31 | persiandrugs | greetings |
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| 13:21.35 | dontknow | ask |
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| 13:21.50 | fdbxnbee | i'm on debian jessie 8.8 |
| 13:21.58 | fdbxnbee | and i want to upgrade to 9.0 |
| 13:22.08 | fdbxnbee | but i'm not currently using systemd |
| 13:22.19 | fdbxnbee | what kind of issues could i face? |
| 13:22.30 | dontknow | bothering |
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| 13:23.04 | persiandrugs | are you on sysinit? |
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| 13:23.12 | fdbxnbee | yeah! |
| 13:24.46 | littlebit | hi people, I'm trying to mount an ftps, where the ftps server is an synology box using curftpfs, and I get an error message like this one: Error connecting to ftp: server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none |
| 13:24.51 | littlebit | can someone help? |
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| 13:25.42 | tw | how are you trying to mount the ftps? |
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| 13:26.47 | damarusama | I want to link a file from a home directory into a public directory |
| 13:26.54 | littlebit | tw: curlftpfs -o ssl,cacert=~/synology.pem,no_verify_peer 'ftps://user:password@10.0.0.100:21/' ~/server |
| 13:27.21 | damarusama | so that a file in /home/user/www/ is displayed in /var/www/user/ |
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| 13:28.31 | damarusama | ln -s would be all that is needed |
| 13:28.31 | celyr | damarusama, man ln |
| 13:28.35 | littlebit | tw: I downloaded the certificate with this command: openssl s_client -connect 10.0.0.100:443 | openssl x509 -out ~/synology.pem |
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| 13:28.57 | celyr | damarusama, if you are using apache it might be configure to actually not follow symlinks |
| 13:29.02 | tw | littlebit: wouldn't that give you just the server cert? |
| 13:29.10 | littlebit | tw: yes |
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| 13:29.41 | tw | I don't think curl is recognizing your cacert option at all. |
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| 13:30.02 | littlebit | tw: ok, how would you do it? |
| 13:30.05 | tw | But I've never used curlftpfs, so I don't know why that would be. |
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| 13:30.19 | nkuttler | don't you have to run a command to refresh the certs from disk? |
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| 13:30.51 | nkuttler | udpate-ca-certificates or somesuch |
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| 13:31.34 | littlebit | nkuttler: you talking about my issue? |
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| 13:34.43 | user____ | as debian.org not reflecting stretch, test installs are being done with stretch rc5? |
| 13:36.34 | dontknow | user____, are you user_trisquel by any chance? |
| 13:37.34 | user____ | no |
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| 13:39.11 | simbalion` | \o/ |
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| 13:47.22 | ForceRecon | so hows it going on the ETA for release? Is there a countdown some place? |
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| 13:47.48 | ForceRecon | and good morning btw |
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| 13:48.04 | themill | it will be done when it's done (and there's nothing stopping you from using it already) |
| 13:48.31 | icarious | themill: Ok let me rephrase the popular question then.. 'Hiee.. what is the release date for Buster' |
| 13:48.32 | icarious | :P |
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| 13:49.23 | ForceRecon | https://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyStretch - found it |
| 13:49.34 | Fyr | it seems like the release isn't today. |
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| 13:49.40 | Fyr | let's call it a day.. |
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| 13:50.08 | dontknow | deb http://debian.charite.de/debian/ stretch main | deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main i have these repos enabled in stretch. i remember stable has 3 repos. after the release what repo should i add? |
| 13:50.43 | missmbob | !stretch sources.list |
| 13:50.44 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 13:51.05 | dontknow | missmbob, thanks |
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| 13:51.32 | MichaelP | distrowatch shows 9.0 released as of now. but mirrors still show 8.8 |
| 13:51.52 | dontknow | missmbob, is order important? |
| 13:52.02 | Dreaman | change repos to |
| 13:52.05 | missmbob | dontknow: no |
| 13:52.07 | Dreaman | stretch |
| 13:52.11 | sypher | People are odd. It's still the 17th, and will be for a number of hours. |
| 13:52.42 | missmbob | trust us, the topic will be changed *really* quickly |
| 13:52.55 | sypher | Oh, I know. Not my first Debian release. |
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| 13:56.46 | kdog | Is the release progress being posted on an IRC channel or only on the twitter @debian? |
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| 13:57.42 | Ulrar | kdog: It's also on mastodon, but I guess that's not the question :P |
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| 13:59.42 | missmbob | twitter? dear lord |
| 14:00.55 | RattusRattus | kdog: https://micronews.debian.org/ |
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| 14:01.11 | dontknow | there will be a lot of questions after upgrade i believe |
| 14:01.44 | dontknow | people will break their system because they will not read the update manual |
| 14:01.58 | dontknow | changelog etc |
| 14:02.03 | asdadfwasxx | update manual? |
| 14:02.08 | JuniusBrutus | dontknow, it'll be entertaining |
| 14:03.15 | dontknow | asdadfwasxx, debian releases and upgrade guade after every release |
| 14:03.19 | JuniusBrutus | Sysadmins will pull their hair out if the upgrade breaks something |
| 14:03.47 | nkuttler | JuniusBrutus: i prefer to fix the problems, ymmv |
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| 14:04.45 | JuniusBrutus | I personally think that the upgrade will have some impact on the internet as a whole because of the huge differences between package versions |
| 14:05.01 | tw | doubt it. |
| 14:05.21 | tw | Normal people test outside of production. |
| 14:05.25 | JuniusBrutus | Yeah, people won't bother upgrading |
| 14:05.29 | missmbob | most professionals wont upgrade for a while, anyway |
| 14:05.30 | JuniusBrutus | Not en masse |
| 14:05.43 | RattusRattus | tw: lol - devops anyone? |
| 14:05.54 | nkuttler | wait for the first point release |
| 14:05.56 | sypher | Real men dev in prod. |
| 14:06.00 | sypher | hides. |
| 14:06.10 | RattusRattus | sypher: and use sid? |
| 14:06.17 | sypher | Yes, exactly. |
| 14:06.37 | RattusRattus | sypher: meh so they won't have any upgrade issues either :-p |
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| 14:09.58 | asdadfwasxx | Stretch will be released today right? |
| 14:10.11 | missmbob | most likely |
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| 14:10.49 | sn0wmonster | is already on stretch |
| 14:11.03 | sn0wmonster | Tails! |
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| 14:12.15 | missmbob | sn0wmonster: stay on topic |
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| 14:18.11 | ausjke | is debian 9 released yet? |
| 14:18.19 | missmbob | ausjke: see /topic |
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| 14:18.43 | tw | Is there a compatibility list of laptops that work with debian? My main concern is power management/battery life. |
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| 14:19.42 | missmbob | tw: best bet is buy the best refurbished thinkpad you can on ebay |
| 14:20.31 | tw | like pre-lenovo or have they maintained the old ways? |
| 14:20.59 | missmbob | tw: lenovo's are still great. |
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| 14:22.51 | anjum | As it happens, I've been looking at the ASUS Chromebook C201. Its Debian compatability and installation guide is well documented, also supports libreboot. It's not super high end in graphics or processing power, a compromise for getting 13 hours battery life. |
| 14:23.02 | anjum | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/C201 |
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| 14:23.22 | qman__ | personally not a fan of the newest generation of lenovos, but the thinkpad models up to a couple years ago, when they still had thinkpad-style keyboards, are great |
| 14:24.00 | qman__ | currently using an X220 |
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| 14:27.45 | anjum | I've been looking around for FSF-approved laptops, but many of them are about the same age as my current laptop probably wouldn't feel too much of an upgrade. |
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| 14:28.19 | anjum | FSF-approved in theory, at least. |
| 14:28.24 | tw | anjum: how do the f-keys work on a chromebook? |
| 14:28.25 | johnkeates | that's because newer laptops don't work without closed binaries |
| 14:28.25 | ausjke | missmbob: yeah read that but no official announcement yet |
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| 14:28.46 | johnkeates | you can't run anything new. that's life. |
| 14:28.51 | johnkeates | at least, not anything Intel/AMD |
| 14:28.52 | missmbob | ausjke: right. meaning no release. /topic will be updated right away |
| 14:28.55 | toruvinn | qman__, oh boy, you must be me. got w500 and x220 here. love them both. pity my x220 needs LCD replacement, it's in pretty bad condition (bought it used, was like that already) |
| 14:28.59 | ausjke | is preparing to upgrade D7 to D9 on an old website... |
| 14:29.29 | anjum | Not sure tw, don't have a chromebook myself. |
| 14:29.36 | missmbob | ausjke: 7-8 first, right? |
| 14:29.43 | petn-randall | ausjke: You should upgrade to 8 first. Skipping releases will likely break your system (it's not being tested for the release and is not supported). |
| 14:29.43 | johnkeates | on top of all the firmware for the CPU and motherboard and ME, think about the firmware in the NICs, HDD, SSD, ODD, EC, LCD, Trackpad/point, keyboard, charger |
| 14:30.25 | ausjke | missmbob: petn-randall: yes but this D7 is too old to do dist-upgrade so I need manually do it, thus D9 |
| 14:30.40 | ausjke | i mean i have lots of customized stuff there |
| 14:30.40 | petn-randall | ausjke: That makes no sense what you're saying. |
| 14:30.56 | missmbob | stops listening |
| 14:30.58 | petn-randall | ausjke: Maybe backing up, and then reinstalling is better? |
| 14:31.06 | ausjke | yes |
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| 14:32.10 | iBattaglin | 16:32:00 up 775 days, 4:23, 2 users, load average: 0.15, 0.35, 0.38 |
| 14:32.14 | iBattaglin | my debian 8 :D |
| 14:33.06 | johnkeates | iBattaglin, how do you update your kernel? |
| 14:33.14 | petn-randall | iBattaglin: So you haven't booted into a kernel without security issues? |
| 14:33.16 | petn-randall | :) |
| 14:33.23 | tw | Pretty sure there are a couple kernel exploits since then XD |
| 14:34.12 | sypher | Yeah, that's not smart. |
| 14:34.13 | iBattaglin | well.. its only my own.. not a production setup |
| 14:34.20 | iBattaglin | runs a radio though |
| 14:34.49 | asdadfwasxx | iBattaglin: 775days?? is it a server? |
| 14:35.09 | iBattaglin | yes |
| 14:35.16 | johnkeates | does it serve exploits? |
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| 14:35.25 | johnkeates | badum-tiss |
| 14:35.36 | toruvinn | tw, the newest serious one i recall is the UDP recvfrom() one. |
| 14:35.37 | dalk | the current topic of this channel says "Debian Stretch ETA 2017-06-17", what does ETA stands for? |
| 14:35.53 | johnkeates | it stand for "we don't know" |
| 14:35.55 | iBattaglin | estimated time of arival |
| 14:35.57 | missmbob | dalk: google it |
| 14:36.06 | iBattaglin | arrival |
| 14:36.07 | johnkeates | Erection Turns Awesome |
| 14:36.09 | asdadfwasxx | dalk: Estimated Time of Arrival |
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| 14:36.26 | iBattaglin | 3.16.0-4 I think mine is |
| 14:36.27 | dalk | thanks I looked it in "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eta_%28disambiguation%29" but wasn't there |
| 14:36.51 | johnkeates | Eating Tablets of Acid |
| 14:37.03 | johnkeates | Ending The Ages |
| 14:37.25 | johnkeates | Estrogen To All |
| 14:37.32 | asdadfwasxx | Eat that apple! |
| 14:37.37 | johnkeates | haha |
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| 14:37.40 | anjum | I set up a build server at work that's probably done 100 days so far, but I intend to keep it up for quite a while because rebooting it painful. |
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| 14:37.57 | johnkeates | if rebooting is painful, you did it wrong :P |
| 14:38.03 | johnkeates | imagine a power failure |
| 14:38.06 | johnkeates | cooling failure |
| 14:38.08 | johnkeates | ram failure |
| 14:38.10 | johnkeates | kernel oops |
| 14:38.16 | RattusRattus | asdadfwasxx: soylant green is people? |
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| 14:38.49 | asdadfwasxx | RattusRattus: wot? |
| 14:39.00 | iBattaglin | imagine people whining about kernel upgrades.. then when they too are fucked.. they cant do shit anyway :-) |
| 14:39.08 | anjum | Well, 'painful' as in, inconvenient for getting TeamCity to pick up on the agent again. |
| 14:39.49 | johnkeates | eek |
| 14:39.51 | johnkeates | TeamCity |
| 14:39.51 | RattusRattus | asdadfwasxx: /me is clearly getting tired - I read at that apple as eat the people.... |
| 14:39.53 | johnkeates | runs |
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| 14:41.39 | iBattaglin | ..but Stretch is going on the new NUC :-) |
| 14:41.48 | iBattaglin | so.. they can hurry up! ahhah |
| 14:41.55 | asdadfwasxx | when upgrading to stretch.. all i need to do is add stretch to sources.list right? |
| 14:42.25 | cgt | asdadfwasxx: and then dist-upgrade |
| 14:42.34 | johnkeates | you can install stretch right now |
| 14:42.44 | johnkeates | it's not as if the 'release' is a magical different version |
| 14:42.56 | dalk | if by "add" you mean "replace" |
| 14:43.15 | dalk | johnkeates: +1 |
| 14:43.17 | iBattaglin | https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-upgrade-debian-8-jessie-to-debian-9-stretch/ |
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| 14:43.27 | iBattaglin | no idea if it works |
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| 14:43.34 | themill | wonders what nonsense they are publishing this time |
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| 14:44.23 | wallbroken | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uv-jhkK1wC4/TnB7YZT1-8I/AAAAAAAAQIc/tczHZao4A1Q/s500/Selezione_024.jpeg |
| 14:44.29 | wallbroken | how to start this tool? |
| 14:44.31 | iBattaglin | johnkeates: ofc I want the correctly named iso for installing comé on |
| 14:44.33 | iBattaglin | :D |
| 14:44.55 | icarious | johnkeates: I want to install Buster which won't be magically different version :P |
| 14:44.59 | hiya | is Debian 9 out? |
| 14:45.00 | cgt | iBattaglin: I used the RC installer ISO a couple of days ago and it works fine |
| 14:45.09 | hiya | it first said 16th June and then 17th |
| 14:45.13 | johnkeates | the stretch iso is named stretch :p |
| 14:45.16 | anjum | Be patient people, good grief. |
| 14:45.32 | iBattaglin | cgt: I know.. I have several VMs |
| 14:45.36 | cgt | anjum: Are we there yet? |
| 14:45.38 | chunkzz | yeah, when it's ready it'll be out :) |
| 14:45.50 | iBattaglin | what she said |
| 14:45.52 | iBattaglin | :D |
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| 14:46.16 | asdadfwasxx | iBattaglin: kek! |
| 14:46.17 | chunkzz | she?! :P |
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| 14:46.47 | iBattaglin | hehe |
| 14:47.05 | anjum | As was already mentioned, you can install Stretch now. Everything happening today is mostly ceremonial. |
| 14:47.41 | chunkzz | anjum: i'd rather wait...:) |
| 14:47.46 | cgt | Except stretch will get security updates now |
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| 14:48.08 | themill | already has been |
| 14:48.13 | cgt | for how long? |
| 14:48.17 | johnkeates | a while |
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| 14:49.07 | iBattaglin | ..back to le mans |
| 14:49.09 | iBattaglin | l8r |
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| 14:52.09 | dontknow | kde plasma has its own updater o.o |
| 14:52.16 | johnkeates | le mans... grown men riding cars for no good reason |
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| 14:53.43 | asdadfwasxx | what is Debian release party? |
| 14:54.45 | asdadfwasxx | do people get together and wait for the release? |
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| 14:54.56 | chunkzz | yeah - like irc asdadfwasxx lol |
| 14:55.10 | asdadfwasxx | chunkzz: ohh.. |
| 14:55.15 | anjum | People get together can celebrate the release. Probably eat cake, and talk, etc. |
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| 14:58.02 | boser | i switch today from jessi to stretch (as like as in topic stand). With no probleme and it run very quick without problems. |
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| 15:00.26 | id10t | i installed from scratch last week via netinstall, to test setting up/updating/upgrading a server that is on wheezy... i'm gonna have to unlearn some very old habits and learn the new way of doing stuff... |
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| 15:02.43 | Bliepo | How do I run strace on the ssh server? |
| 15:02.55 | Bliepo | I have an issue where ssh is very slow in accepting connections |
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| 15:04.33 | asdadfwasxx | 1758 upgraded, 561 newly installed, 81 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 15:04.33 | asdadfwasxx | Need to get 2,313 MB of archives. |
| 15:04.39 | asdadfwasxx | is this normal? |
| 15:05.00 | nkuttler | Bliepo: just strace sshd? have you tried login with ssh -vvv yet? |
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| 15:05.38 | Bliepo | Errr, I am eh... well... you know... working on a windows pc with putty |
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| 15:06.40 | Bliepo | And I should be more accurate: connecting goes smooth, entering password and google-authenticator code goes smooth as well, then when I hit enter I have to wait a loooong time for the shell to appear |
| 15:07.10 | chunkzz | Following Pixar's Toy Story naming scheme, Debian's releases have been: Buzz, Rex, Bo, Hamm, Slink, Potato, Woody, Sarge, Etch, Lenny, Squeeze, Wheezy, Jessie and now Stretch #releasingstretch |
| 15:07.31 | Bliepo | and strace sshd results in: "sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path" |
| 15:07.39 | chunkzz | can't wait - need now! lol |
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| 15:08.25 | nkuttler | Bliepo: well, use an absolute path. or, preferably, run dash as ssh command |
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| 15:08.52 | nkuttler | ssh -vvv host dash, or any other shell you have installed that's not the default |
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| 15:09.17 | Bliepo | I should clarify |
| 15:09.29 | Bliepo | I have a server running ssh, and my laptop the client |
| 15:09.35 | nkuttler | sure |
| 15:09.44 | Bliepo | I want to strace on the server |
| 15:09.48 | Bliepo | Not the client |
| 15:09.58 | nkuttler | yeah, but you should make sure you actually have to |
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| 15:10.16 | nkuttler | could easily be something in our shell config that's broken |
| 15:10.43 | Bliepo | So just ssh into some random host with -vvv from the server? |
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| 15:11.01 | nkuttler | no, from the laptop into the server that has the problem |
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| 15:11.14 | Bliepo | Ah well, I am using putty |
| 15:11.19 | Bliepo | So I can't use -vvv |
| 15:11.46 | nkuttler | well, you could ssh in from any other server i guess. but then, you could also have a putty problem |
| 15:12.06 | nkuttler | or just not use -vvv, but pass a command through putty, however that works |
| 15:12.22 | Bliepo | Is it possible to ssh into localhost? |
| 15:12.24 | anjum | Windows has ssh these days, no |
| 15:12.25 | anjum | ? |
| 15:12.36 | nkuttler | Bliepo: usually yes, depends on the config |
| 15:12.40 | chunkzz | anjum: no! |
| 15:12.41 | Bliepo | Then I can run ssh from the server and ssh into the server |
| 15:13.23 | nkuttler | Bliepo: it's worth a try |
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| 15:14.54 | Bliepo | Connection refused :-( |
| 15:15.08 | Bliepo | Hrmmmmm |
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| 15:15.21 | Bliepo | I could reboot into linux and run ssh -vvv from there |
| 15:15.42 | Bliepo | Guess I'll do that. BRB! |
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| 15:19.47 | BluesKaj | Hi all |
| 15:20.05 | chunkzz | BluesKaj: NOT YET :) |
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| 15:21.38 | BluesKaj | chunkzz, i wasn't asking :-) |
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| 15:22.00 | chunkzz | BluesKaj: just in-case lol :D |
| 15:23.05 | luna__ | https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting/Stretch Release testing |
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| 15:25.01 | BluesKaj | just one upgrade on stretch this morning, kd/plasma FR |
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| 15:26.23 | BluesKaj | ignore the FR .typo |
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| 15:30.37 | dalk | luna: from the page you linked: "Please do not publicise this too widely, and if you're reading this page to get early access to our images BE AWARE that anything found there is not considered to be a released image and may be replaced without warning" |
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| 15:33.28 | chunkzz | dalk: link? |
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| 15:36.40 | asdadfwasxx | bind9 log is showing time in the wrong timezone.. how do i fix it? |
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| 15:39.30 | rindolf | BluesKaj: hi |
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| 15:42.17 | BluesKaj | hi rindolf |
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| 15:43.26 | dalk | chunkzz: luna__ just posted the link 15 minutes ago and I only copied the "Please do not publicise this too widely" asking from the developers... |
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| 15:44.17 | chunkzz | dalk: you got a link? I can't find it..... |
| 15:44.25 | rindolf | BluesKaj: sup? |
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| 15:46.00 | BluesKaj | rindolf, configuring kodi for stretch atm, almost finished |
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| 15:46.43 | rindolf | BluesKaj: nice |
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| 15:48.29 | BluesKaj | yeah, thinking of dumping my satellite tv service. |
| 15:48.35 | nkuttler | any ideas why dropbear-initramfs would keep telling me the authorized_keys file is invalid? i copied it from ~/.ssh and the error itself is not really helpful |
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| 15:52.30 | nkuttler | meh, great, the README for that package references files that don't exist.. |
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| 16:00.42 | mrr0butt | well i have issues with wifi and network-manager on stretch |
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| 16:01.20 | mrr0butt | without networkm-manager im able to connect wlan |
| 16:01.55 | nkuttler | ah, looks like dropbear can't use modern key algos |
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| 16:03.23 | mrr0butt | without network-manager "iw dev iface connect -w SSID && dhclient -v iface" connects to ap without problems |
| 16:03.43 | mrr0butt | https://pastebin.com/raw/4wqcmJZq |
| 16:03.46 | mrr0butt | syslog dump |
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| 16:04.33 | luna__ | http://imgur.com/wLw3xty.jpg |
| 16:05.22 | nuclearjello | oo |
| 16:06.36 | mrr0butt | oh my kernel is "Linux debian 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2 (2017-06-12) x86_64 GNU/Linux" |
| 16:06.53 | chunkzz | luna__: give us a link... |
| 16:07.02 | luna__ | chunkzz: for? |
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| 16:07.22 | chunkzz | the image you posted, stretch; obviously. |
| 16:07.23 | teraflops | mrr0butt: make yourself sure you're not using more than 1 network management tool at a time |
| 16:07.30 | luna__ | chunkzz: still release testing |
| 16:08.10 | chunkzz | oh :/ |
| 16:08.12 | mrr0butt | i have only network-manager installed |
| 16:08.34 | luna__ | chunkzz: but you can join #debian-cd on irc.oftc.net if you wanna help |
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| 16:09.57 | teraflops | mrr0butt: what's the key type youre using? wpa2? |
| 16:10.21 | mrr0butt | its a open hotspot no encryption |
| 16:11.23 | teraflops | mrr0butt: did you set it up correctly on NM? |
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| 16:11.56 | teraflops | mrr0butt: because it looks like is not associating to the AP |
| 16:12.11 | zylinx | hey, how do i get a cronjob to execute with my logged in users environment variables ? |
| 16:12.14 | teraflops | hence cannot get an ip address |
| 16:12.14 | zylinx | is that possible ? |
| 16:12.35 | teraflops | zylinx: make a systemd --user unit? |
| 16:12.47 | teraflops | with a timer |
| 16:12.48 | jelly | zylinx: no, but you can set up env. vars in the crontab file |
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| 16:13.08 | zylinx | teraflops: thanks, not sure how to do that but il google |
| 16:13.15 | zylinx | jelly: it needs to be dynamic |
| 16:13.25 | zylinx | i cannot hard code the env |
| 16:13.31 | jelly | then no |
| 16:13.57 | mrr0butt | teraflops, yes i did, i picked it from the list in nm |
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| 16:14.07 | chunkzz | Stretch amd64 ISO image tests are a success! i386 ISO builds will be ready for testing soon #releasingstretch |
| 16:14.25 | teraflops | zylinx: not telling that what jelly said is not bad idea, but since --user unit/timers runs as the desired user all the env in the desired one |
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| 16:14.41 | mrr0butt | Jun 17 17:38:14 debian kernel: [11847.924753] wlxec086b1d8217: authenticated |
| 16:14.42 | mrr0butt | Jun 17 17:38:19 debian dhclient[3547]: DHCPREQUEST of 10.72.XX.XX on wlxec086b1d8217 to 10.79.XX.XX port 67 |
| 16:14.42 | mrr0butt | Jun 17 17:38:19 debian dhclient[3547]: send_packet: Network is unreachable |
| 16:14.54 | zylinx | ok thanks teraflops, because i need it to have my current DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS in the vars |
| 16:15.02 | teraflops | mrr0butt: you picked the lines you want^ |
| 16:15.14 | zylinx | which changes on reboot |
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| 16:16.05 | jelly | zylinx: it changes on every login, each session is different I think |
| 16:17.07 | zylinx | ok, thanks jelly. will systemd --user unit have the same DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS as the one that my desktop user has ? |
| 16:17.31 | jelly | I'm clueless about that |
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| 16:18.43 | jelly | it shouldn't be too hard to have an autostart job in the GUI session save the value somewhere |
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| 16:19.05 | teraflops | zylinx: user unit starts when your user log in⦠|
| 16:19.07 | zylinx | ah yeah, autostart in the GUI is perfect |
| 16:19.13 | jelly | you can even grab it from a running process |
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| 16:19.29 | teraflops | zylinx: what's your goal? |
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| 16:20.12 | zylinx | teraflops: im using a bash script with notify-send and i want it to execite every 10 minutes with the price of my crypto currencies. |
| 16:21.40 | teraflops | zylinx: you just need to export the right $DISPLAY |
| 16:22.08 | zylinx | teraflops: i tried that, but for some reason on my machine it wont work unless it has the dbus set aswell :< |
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| 16:23.37 | teraflops | a user unit and a timer should work then |
| 16:24.40 | teraflops | zylinx: are you using a DE or a WM? |
| 16:24.52 | zylinx | im a debian user 90% the time but im actually doing the on a *buntu install, maybe thats why its not working with just DISPLAY... |
| 16:25.17 | zylinx | im using gnome |
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| 16:27.20 | Lyberta | is Stretch release today? |
| 16:27.30 | chunkzz | Lyberta: yes soon |
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| 16:28.19 | AnGe7 | hey all |
| 16:28.33 | AnGe7 | someone know how to set local static ipv4 on kvm ? |
| 16:28.35 | chunkzz | why are they deleting posts on the micronews site? |
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| 16:30.02 | teraflops | mrr0butt: idk to what defaults NM for getting ip via dhcp in stretch, maybe try adding dhcp=dhclient in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf |
| 16:30.15 | teraflops | zylinx: then youre fine |
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| 16:32.47 | chunkzz | why are they deleting posts on the micronews site? |
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| 16:34.13 | spacebison | Party time? https://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyStretch |
| 16:34.29 | cgt | chunkzz: are they? |
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| 16:35.21 | petn-randall | chunkzz: Who is "they", which micronews site, and what does it have to do with Debian? |
| 16:35.35 | abhikpal | https://micronews.debian.org/ |
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| 16:35.55 | zylinx | damn no stretch party in south africa :< |
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| 16:36.30 | zylinx | you can add my home address to the wiki xD |
| 16:36.31 | dontknow | turkey also has a party :D |
| 16:36.52 | dontknow | lol to release party |
| 16:36.59 | persiandrugs | okay, okay |
| 16:37.01 | petn-randall | is at the one in Berlin right now. |
| 16:37.02 | persiandrugs | first stretch |
| 16:37.05 | persiandrugs | then hl3 |
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| 16:37.55 | chunkzz | cgt: yeah, I've been keeping an eye on it and it;s last post was around 2pm, it's 5pm now and some posts have been deleted, they said amd64 was testing complete... |
| 16:38.12 | chunkzz | they said i386 was next to test |
| 16:38.19 | chunkzz | they've been deleted... |
| 16:39.07 | chunkzz | and now it's showing up, wtf. Stretch amd64 ISO image tests are a success! i386 ISO builds will be ready for testing soon #releasingstretch |
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| 16:39.41 | brianx | can we get the torrent of that amd64 iso yet? |
| 16:39.47 | hiya | hi guys |
| 16:39.52 | chunkzz | brianx: no |
| 16:40.00 | hiya | Is debian 9 out? |
| 16:40.05 | chunkzz | hiya: not yet. |
| 16:40.16 | brianx | thanks chunkzz |
| 16:40.16 | hiya | ok ok |
| 16:40.17 | hiya | :D |
| 16:40.24 | chunkzz | hiya: https://micronews.debian.org/ |
| 16:40.29 | chunkzz | brianx: ^ |
| 16:40.53 | dontknow | "Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth day, at dawn look to the east." |
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| 16:41.24 | brianx | that says nothing much about it chunkzz. no indication if it ever will. |
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| 16:41.50 | fdsfsdfsd | go fuck yourself you fucking bastards i hope your balls will explode in your fucking ruin faces yo niggers |
| 16:41.57 | chunkzz | brianx: that should be the first place when it's released, news on it there... |
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| 16:42.56 | brianx | will continue watching there. |
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| 16:47.41 | hiya | I want to see Seafile-gui for Debian stable / Stretch |
| 16:48.28 | dob1 | it's in stretch? |
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| 17:03.51 | asdadfwasxx | timestamp in log file is using the wrong timezone |
| 17:03.55 | asdadfwasxx | can anyone help |
| 17:03.57 | asdadfwasxx | ? |
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| 17:05.19 | teraflops | asdadfwasxx: is always using the wrong time zone, or it's using the wrong time one until time get synched via ntp? |
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| 17:06.18 | asdadfwasxx | teraflops: it started using the wrong time after I changed my timezone |
| 17:06.29 | teraflops | then you know why |
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| 17:07.30 | lavenders | is the amd64 image out now? |
| 17:07.33 | asdadfwasxx | teraflops: date is showing the correct time |
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| 17:08.12 | asdadfwasxx | teraflops: but the time in the log is off my -6 hours! |
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| 17:09.02 | lavenders | last micronews :Stretch amd64 ISO image tests are a success! i386 ISO builds will be ready for testing soon #releasingstretch |
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| 17:11.58 | dalk | lavenders: no, not yet... |
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| 17:14.01 | teraflops | is there a medal for the first guy/girl/cat/goat that downloads the stretch iso? |
| 17:14.14 | random_numbers | heh |
| 17:14.26 | random_numbers | UTC-time release when? |
| 17:14.50 | chunkzz | random_numbers: when it's ready... |
| 17:15.04 | persiandrugs | what chunkzz said |
| 17:15.07 | dalk | no but it is usually very helpful to download torrents and seed for a few days as many will try to download... |
| 17:15.08 | random_numbers | chunkzz: It's not being purposely held-back until a given time? Huh. |
| 17:15.27 | random_numbers | Color me surprised. |
| 17:15.38 | dalk | correction: teraflops:no but it is usually very helpful to download torrents and seed for a few days as many will try to download... |
| 17:15.42 | chunkzz | random_numbers: when it's ready........ |
| 17:16.06 | random_numbers | chunkzz: You could've just said "indeed". |
| 17:16.21 | chunkzz | random_numbers: indeed. |
| 17:16.25 | random_numbers | Cheeky. |
| 17:16.55 | teraflops | dalk: nah, you want the badge I can smell it |
| 17:16.58 | chunkzz | :P |
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| 17:18.30 | random_numbers | So, once released one should expect basically nothing to break horribly upon install/upgrade (provided one didn't use outside repos), correct? |
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| 17:18.45 | Emil | My keyboard works while in grub and bios |
| 17:18.48 | chunkzz | random_numbers: indeed. ;) |
| 17:18.52 | Emil | but not in linux |
| 17:18.53 | random_numbers | chunkzz: Awesome. |
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| 17:19.38 | chunkzz | last update: Submitted on 17 June 2017 19:00:00 so should be soon! |
| 17:19.43 | john110 | is micronews the fastest channel to get release news? |
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| 17:19.53 | chunkzz | john110: think so yeah. |
| 17:20.21 | john110 | great |
| 17:22.02 | dontknow | so.. how long time passed after jessie release? |
| 17:22.14 | random_numbers | There's no known ETA. |
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| 17:22.21 | dalk | teraflops: I can't help the Debian project on so many ways but seeding in every release is easy for me. So I am not here for the budge! |
| 17:22.29 | dontknow | i mean how old jessie |
| 17:22.42 | persiandrugs | google it |
| 17:22.45 | persiandrugs | god |
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| 17:23.03 | KungFuChao | two years and two months since stable of jessie was released |
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| 17:23.25 | dontknow | wow. time is passing fast |
| 17:23.30 | random_numbers | I wonder what new testing/unstable will be named. |
| 17:24.04 | Brigo | random_numbers, it has been already named |
| 17:24.05 | teraflops | dalk: youre bad at getting sarcasm, arent you? |
| 17:24.17 | random_numbers | Brigo: My bad. |
| 17:24.37 | dontknow | Brigo, and what is it* |
| 17:24.37 | dalk | hehe, I am trying though :) |
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| 17:25.46 | Brigo | dontknow, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_version_history |
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| 17:26.57 | dalk | teraflops: I just wanted to stretch that everybody can help ("stretch" a pun, so I also have a sense of humor) |
| 17:27.31 | dalk | but I am still trying for it too... |
| 17:27.39 | teraflops | fair enough |
| 17:27.42 | slacko_10551 | I came here to share in the conversation about Stretch 9 |
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| 17:28.20 | teraflops | as in every release (groundhog day) |
| 17:28.27 | slacko_10551 | :D |
| 17:28.28 | teraflops | which is fine |
| 17:28.32 | slacko_10551 | what's in the "testing" repository will basically be what's in the stable one |
| 17:28.36 | slacko_10551 | ? |
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| 17:29.06 | dontknow | if your source.list contains "stretch" it will remain stable |
| 17:29.12 | slacko_10551 | nice |
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| 17:29.47 | secretpow | Is there a way to automatically mount a LUKS-encrypted partition on an external USB drive using a key file when the drive is plugged in? |
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| 17:30.28 | atermu | Hello |
| 17:30.47 | dontknow | hella |
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| 17:31.10 | atermu | From my understanding Debian has a much more solid stance on free software. I have used, and loved Debian for numerous years, but have recently been working with open suse. |
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| 17:31.26 | random_numbers | secretpow: I've been using a cron-job for that. |
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| 17:31.36 | atermu | Out of the box, Opensuse does not allow me to watch many videos on many sites, however a fresh debian install allows access to all of these sites. |
| 17:32.01 | random_numbers | secretpow: I tried with crypttab but there was the issue of the external disk trying to mount before the main system one. |
| 17:32.02 | atermu | What player is debian and firefox using as default? It can't possibly be as simple as html5 fall back? |
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| 17:32.33 | random_numbers | secretpow: There's probably a "proper" way to do it with sysvinit or systemd but that was too much bother for me. |
| 17:32.35 | HyP3r | Hi, I'm trying to update my Debian Wheezy to Jessie. I follow this guide: https://www.liveconfig.com/en/forum/threads/1765-Upgrade-von-Debian-7-(Wheezy)-auf-Debian-8-(Jessie)-mit-LiveConfig |
| 17:32.41 | cgt | atermu: I don't think Firefox uses any external video player. |
| 17:33.03 | random_numbers | secretpow: On sysvinit one would have set it so that on init 5 (for example), a mounting script runs. |
| 17:33.09 | HyP3r | But now comes during the "apt-get dist-upgrade" a error message. |
| 17:33.11 | atermu | Would my question be better asked in opensuse? Debian works out of box, while suse gives "javascript/fash warning" |
| 17:33.34 | HyP3r | This is the error message: https://pastebin.com/dehaY2mL |
| 17:33.50 | secretpow | random_numbers: I tried crypttab, too, but it throws errors during boot if the drive isn't plugged in. If I add noauto, it's not unlocked automatically |
| 17:34.14 | secretpow | I also tried playing with /etc/fstab, adding x-systemd.requires= options, but I never got it to work |
| 17:34.14 | HyP3r | Can someone help me with that? Thats so strange, Debian 7 is using system-v and Debian 8 is using systemd. Now the "new" Debian 8 wants to call update-rc.d |
| 17:34.16 | random_numbers | secretpow: Yeah I'd go with either the cron, anacron or init script. You simply code it to be able to cope with errors. |
| 17:34.22 | HyP3r | Thats strange |
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| 17:34.37 | secretpow | Mind sharing your cronjob script? How often do you execute it? |
| 17:34.38 | random_numbers | secretpow: With systemd you could also have it run on plugging the device. (Other ways not dependent on systemd surely exist too) |
| 17:34.42 | atermu | cgt: This is obviously not the issue, we are talking about flash/html5 video support |
| 17:34.49 | likcoras | secretpow: just an idea, would it not be possible with a udev rule? |
| 17:34.50 | atermu | having to do with codecs most likel;y, idk |
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| 17:35.23 | random_numbers | secretpow: I execute it every hour, it simply tries to decrypt a uid and mount the resulting mapped device-name. On failure it just does nothing. |
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| 17:36.03 | random_numbers | secretpow: I need to go afk for a moment but feel free to ask when I come back if no one else answers. |
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| 17:36.18 | secretpow | Alright, thanks |
| 17:36.46 | secretpow | likcoras: You mean a udev rule running a script to unlock + mount the drive? |
| 17:37.22 | slacko_10551 | atermu the firefox are both the same version? if you used repository version it could be that opensuse compiled it differently |
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| 17:37.27 | likcoras | Yeah, I was guessing something along those lines. |
| 17:37.50 | slacko_10551 | in slackware I don't need pulseaudio or gtk3 to use their firefox 52esr |
| 17:38.11 | atermu | slacko_10551: of course debian would be older, I was testing from tumbleweed, and I am actually sure this is more suse specific, but debian xfce install allowed access to all video sites (which suprised me) when suse did not |
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| 17:38.29 | secretpow | Sounds less hacky than a cronjob to me. Guess I'll need to figure out how to write a correct udev rule for that. The script itself is probably gonna be the same for both solutions, I guess |
| 17:38.32 | atermu | (which left me to wonder of an alternative opensource flash player was involved, etc, there are a lot of those these days) |
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| 17:38.57 | slacko_10551 | I know that as firefox version goes higher, there is more and more support for html5 for things |
| 17:39.07 | cgt | Firefox in Debian doesn't come with a Flash player |
| 17:39.11 | HyP3r | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/318410/error-updating-debian-7-wheezy-to-8-jessie-plymouth-0-9-0-9-half-configured |
| 17:39.17 | HyP3r | https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/3g70f9/trouble_upgrading_to_jessie_plymouth_package_issue/ |
| 17:39.18 | slacko_10551 | but if you do about:buildconfig for both it will tell you how firefox is compiled |
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| 17:39.26 | HyP3r | seems like there are some topics about my problem |
| 17:39.31 | slacko_10551 | in the url |
| 17:39.32 | atermu | slacko_10551: Exactly, so riddle me this" firefox debian older version offers better support than suse default firefox |
| 17:39.38 | atermu | which is newer version |
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| 17:41.54 | john110 | Would donate 20$ for **free** beer to devs when stretch is released. I will buy one for myself too. https://www.debian.org/donations |
| 17:41.55 | likcoras | secretpow: also try looking into udiskie, https://github.com/coldfix/udiskie/wiki/Automatic-LUKS-unlocking |
| 17:42.02 | slacko_10551 | atermu: did you try the about:buildconfig thing? :D |
| 17:42.42 | slacko_10551 | this is mine from slackware 14.2 |
| 17:42.44 | slacko_10551 | Configure options |
| 17:42.44 | slacko_10551 | --enable-application=browser --disable-tests 'CC=gcc -B/root/slackware-14.2/mozilla-firefox/gold' 'CXX=g++ -B/root/slackware-14.2/mozilla-firefox/gold' --enable-default-toolkit=cairo-gtk2 MAKE=make --disable-accessibility --enable-alsa --enable-cpp-rtti --disable-crashreporter --enable-official-branding --enable-optimize=-O2 --enable-startup-notification --enable-strip --libdir=/usr/lib --prefix=/usr --with-default-mozill |
| 17:42.44 | slacko_10551 | a-five-home=/usr/lib/firefox-52.1.2 --with-system-zlib |
| 17:43.03 | slacko_10551 | The enable-alsa lets it work without pulseaudio |
| 17:43.04 | secretpow | likcoras: never heard of that, looks interesting! Taking a look at it right now, thanks for the pointer |
| 17:43.10 | petn-randall | slacko_10551: Please use a paste site, like http://paste.debian.net |
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| 17:43.23 | slacko_10551 | petn-randall thanks |
| 17:43.43 | HyP3r | Please help me, I'm not that expert with those package dependencies and so on... |
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| 17:44.05 | dontknow | debian still comes with -Os |
| 17:44.13 | dontknow | optimization |
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| 17:45.22 | dalk | john110: thumbs up! |
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| 17:49.39 | petn-randall | !tell HyP3r -about bat |
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| 17:49.48 | darme | i found this https://launchpad.net/debian/stretch/+source/php5 while looking for php5 for my stretch. how can i add launchpad repositories so i can download it? |
| 17:49.49 | HyP3r | http://forum.xbian.org/thread-2272-post-23010.html#pid23010 <- helped me |
| 17:49.49 | petn-randall | HyP3r: See the pm from dpkg, can you provide this info? |
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| 17:50.14 | petn-randall | darme: launchpad is not part of Debian, you'd have to ask them. And you'd also void your warranty. |
| 17:50.26 | petn-randall | !tell darme -about dont break debian |
| 17:50.26 | HyP3r | petn-randall: thanks for you help, but I hacked the postinst script a bit |
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| 17:52.21 | hramrach | petn-randall: since there is no build service for Debian people install packages from other distros. Not surprising |
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| 17:55.55 | petn-randall | hramrach: Indeed. Wouldn't change the fact that they're not supported for obvious reasons, though. |
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| 17:56.47 | rindolf | petn-randall: hi, sup? |
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| 17:58.15 | Aebian | why would someone want php5? php7 :P |
| 17:58.19 | Jacob843 | ... |
| 17:58.22 | petn-randall | hi rindolf! Not much, just hanging out at the release party in Berlin. |
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| 17:58.36 | HyP3r | wtf |
| 17:58.37 | Voldenet | I was going to ask Anabelle "what's her problem" but apparently |
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| 17:58.37 | Jacob843 | I don't understand why these spam bots are a thing. |
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| 17:58.44 | JuniusBrutus | Another psychotic |
| 17:58.45 | Voldenet | it was a mental problem |
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| 17:58.47 | petn-randall | And trying to respond to any questions popping up on here on the release day. |
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| 17:59.05 | petn-randall | !ops spam bots |
| 17:59.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: spam bots |
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| 17:59.33 | slacko_10551 | if someone with a womanname enters it's probably spam :D |
| 17:59.36 | Dagger | and I don't understand why we don't automatically ban people that mention 20 nicknames in a single message |
| 17:59.51 | borrougagnou | .-. |
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| 18:00.29 | rindolf | petn-randall: nice! |
| 18:00.31 | borrougagnou | Dagger>no no, if example Debian 9 release I think everybody would like know |
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| 18:00.52 | SporkWitch | Dagger: it's "womyn" you misogynist ^_- |
| 18:00.54 | petn-randall | Please ignore the spam, it's being worked on. |
| 18:00.56 | rindolf | petn-randall: today I got paid for consulting |
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| 18:01.05 | random_numbers | Ah yes, udev, that was the other proper method. |
| 18:01.47 | sIRwa2 | isnt today release day? |
| 18:02.02 | rindolf | sIRwa2: yes |
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| 18:02.23 | sIRwa2 | \o/ |
| 18:02.25 | mniip | Dagger, but we do |
| 18:02.33 | borrougagnou | If you are not able to ignore a post you are silly |
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| 18:02.48 | random_numbers | Ah, Buster is new testing. |
| 18:02.49 | rindolf | sIRwa2: stretch will be stretchy! |
| 18:03.18 | petn-randall | rindolf: Nice, let's move this to #debian-offtopic though, so it doesn't get too busy. |
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| 18:03.41 | rindolf | petn-randall: ok |
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| 18:05.09 | Dagger | mniip: looks like latency is an issue... maybe we need to +m the channel automatically for a few seconds, although even that won't happen fast enough to stop the second message |
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| 18:05.40 | simbalion` | sIRwa2: that's what I said! |
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| 18:06.45 | mniip | Dagger, the problem is that to ban after the first message the mechanics need to be incorporated into the ircd |
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| 18:06.56 | mniip | which is somewhat of a privacy concern |
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| 18:08.03 | mniip | with Sigyn you visibly see that the bot is receiving your messages, and matching it against spam patterns |
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| 18:09.14 | __0 | howodyoudo, ladies and gentlemen! when 9.0 will be relesead on main site? |
| 18:09.49 | petn-randall | __0: When it's readyâ¢. |
| 18:09.53 | petn-randall | sometime today that is. |
| 18:10.00 | arTee | what timezone :-D |
| 18:10.09 | __0 | ua/kiev |
| 18:10.21 | arTee | that's UTC +- ? |
| 18:10.23 | Dagger | not sure I see the privacy concerns. the main issue with that sort of thing is getting the behavior changed when it's doing something bad/awkward/useless |
| 18:10.25 | __0 | 2 |
| 18:10.42 | arTee | UTC+2.... so shouldn't be longer than 3 hours? |
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| 18:10.54 | teraflops | we dont know |
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| 18:11.30 | johnjay | is there a way to automate apt-get -y dist-upgrade such that it tries to fix problems automatically? |
| 18:11.33 | __0 | thanx, be waiting for release, maybe:-) |
| 18:11.44 | __0 | bye |
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| 18:12.14 | jelly | johnjay: what kinds of problems? |
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| 18:12.40 | johnjay | jelly: I think it first said something about a program that didn't have a dependency installable. run apt-get -f install to fix. but that was apt-get upgrade |
| 18:12.59 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 18:12.59 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 18:13.02 | jelly | johnjay: ^^ |
| 18:13.09 | johnjay | then after that I ran apt-get -y dist-upgrade. but idk if it will complete unattended |
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| 18:14.33 | hramrach | rubber octopus .. |
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| 18:14.53 | johnjay | hmm. ok next time i run apt i'll pipe its out put to a file |
| 18:14.56 | johnjay | so i can upload it |
| 18:15.00 | hramrach | apt still says stretch is testing |
| 18:15.00 | apt | hramrach: okay |
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| 18:17.11 | hramrach | My system will become stable once the metadata in repos is updated |
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| 18:18.24 | hramrach | not that it can shutdown or reboot correctly but it's stable ;-) |
| 18:18.31 | johnjay | hramrach: are you trying to track stretch? |
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| 18:19.06 | jelly | hramrach: or, your system will keep being stretch |
| 18:19.15 | teraflops | hramrach: hehe |
| 18:19.22 | slacko_10551 | jessie the cowgirl :D |
| 18:19.25 | dontknow | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html |
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| 18:19.48 | Furai | These people and their highlights bots...seriously. What do they achieve this way? |
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| 18:20.02 | hramrach | probably it will keep being stretch until some software with fresh new bugs requires new version of libstdc++ or whatever core library |
| 18:20.15 | jelly | Furai: annoyance. Please avoid commenting on it. |
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| 18:20.29 | jelly | #debian-offtopic, if you really have to |
| 18:20.39 | johnjay | is it true there are multiple versions of libstdc++ around to accomodate buggy programs? |
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| 18:21.10 | jelly | johnjay: it's not for buggy programs. It's for binaries built with different versions of g++ |
| 18:21.36 | johnjay | ah ok. i actually didn't realize stretch was coming out today |
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| 18:22.02 | hramrach | no, there is only one libstdc++ so if you want program with new features which introduce fresh new bugs and it links with new libstdc++ you dist-upgrade |
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| 18:22.53 | jelly | hramrach: that's only relevant if you're not building software yourself, and deliberately introduce binary builds of software not designed for your os |
| 18:23.01 | persiandrugs | i wonder what'll happen when we run out of toy story characters? |
| 18:23.02 | johnjay | hramrach: i had to dist-upgrade just to not have version 1.01 of weechat anymore |
| 18:23.09 | johnjay | (current version 1.9, 1.8 in testing lol) |
| 18:23.28 | Agafnd | persiandrugs: we make pixar make another one :P |
| 18:23.32 | hramrach | that would be because of gnutls which depends on new libstdc++ :p |
| 18:23.32 | random_numbers | It's kind of nice that debian backports security patches. |
| 18:24.28 | johnjay | since this is the day stretch comes out, does anybody have a link to a list of packages to feed to apt-get? |
| 18:24.41 | johnjay | i.e. things like emacs, vim, etc that are needed on a fresh install? |
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| 18:25.04 | jelly | johnjay: we don't know what _you_ think is needed. |
| 18:25.10 | petn-randall | johnjay: Just "apt dist-upgrade" after adjusting your /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 18:25.23 | jelly | johnjay: neither emacs nor vim is part of a base installation |
| 18:25.30 | hramrach | why do you ever install? just make a copy of your disk and put it into another machine ;-) |
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| 18:25.53 | johnjay | petn-randall: what effect does apt dist-upgrade have right after a new release comes out? |
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| 18:25.57 | jelly | hramrach: that's exactly what I do. This system was installed in 2001. |
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| 18:26.29 | ead0dc93 | is this DebianOn the best way to determine if a new laptop will be supporting the OS without any issues ? |
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| 18:26.40 | jelly | hramrach: 4-5 different hardware installations, and all the releases from slink to stretch. |
| 18:26.42 | random_numbers | johnjay: Probably the same as upgrade, if you didn't change your sources. |
| 18:26.45 | johnjay | well jelly that might explain your puzzling statement that not including emacs or vim on a base install is fine |
| 18:26.45 | ead0dc93 | I would really like to buy a new laptop that has no issues with debian |
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| 18:27.11 | random_numbers | Mine has slight driver problems... which are fixed in next kernel version :D |
| 18:27.18 | hramrach | ead0dc93: such thing even exists? |
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| 18:27.32 | Furai | jelly, nah, I'm fine. |
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| 18:27.43 | Furai | Don't feed the troll. |
| 18:27.47 | random_numbers | Older Lenovo computers tend to work pretty nicely with Linux in general. |
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| 18:28.21 | dontknow | ead0dc93, only way is to go store and try it with live debian |
| 18:28.24 | samouy | Hello all, I would like to know if some of you know a USB(-C) adapter to HDMI/VGA/DisplayPort without DisplayLink |
| 18:28.25 | hramrach | I mean if you exclude laptops with inherent hardware issues and laptops with too new hardware to work well with Linux you are not left with many |
| 18:28.53 | ead0dc93 | that is what i fear |
| 18:29.03 | johnjay | hramrach: i always put linux on my laptops whether it worked well or not. |
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| 18:29.10 | random_numbers | ^ |
| 18:29.34 | random_numbers | A problem is that in many countries, clean-room reverse-engineering is needed and doing that alone is kind of not a thing. |
| 18:29.39 | nix64bit | I am looking for a linux laptop |
| 18:29.42 | samouy | and of course, full linux support :p |
| 18:29.55 | ead0dc93 | maybe I can just put debian in a virtual machine and run it that way on any laptop ... work in the virtual machine. |
| 18:30.06 | hramrach | ead0dc93: also depends on the features you require. IF you are fine without powerful 3D acceleration many loptops will work well enough |
| 18:30.11 | johnjay | ead0dc93: that's the second best option. i use that on PCs as well |
| 18:30.33 | random_numbers | Most virtualization programs allow for GPU passthrough. |
| 18:30.40 | ead0dc93 | johnjay: it should theoretically work on any PC, right ? |
| 18:30.52 | random_numbers | For security VMs that's a horrible idea, but for compatibility ones? |
| 18:30.58 | johnjay | random_numbers: that's news to me. i've nver gotten a 3d game to work in virtualbox or qemu |
| 18:31.10 | hramrach | GPU passthrough does not help you if the GPU does not work reliably with Linux in the first place |
| 18:31.15 | johnjay | ead0dc93: sure. but good to have a fast hard drive for it |
| 18:31.22 | random_numbers | hramrach: Yeah, that's a point. |
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| 18:31.50 | ead0dc93 | random_numbers: why is it a bad idea for security VM's ? You just encrypt ? |
| 18:32.04 | _4of7 | I've tried ssh'ing into my Debin Jessie box and it failed. Upgraded to Stretch, and it still failed |
| 18:32.07 | samouy | johnjay, a friend built is computer with PCI passthrough for its graphic card, and its works pretty well |
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| 18:32.15 | _4of7 | nmap reveals that port 22 is open, and i'm sshing to the right machine |
| 18:32.18 | jelly | _4of7: how precisely does it fail? |
| 18:32.19 | _4of7 | "connection refused" |
| 18:32.24 | glycol | johnjay: reddit.com/r/vfio |
| 18:32.26 | _4of7 | when i tried to ssh |
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| 18:32.33 | _4of7 | can you give me some pointers for things to check? |
| 18:32.43 | _4of7 | this is a vanilla debian stretch installation |
| 18:32.45 | jelly | _4of7: that's a networking issue on client, server, or any router in between |
| 18:33.00 | _4of7 | i can ping the server |
| 18:33.03 | samouy | its still experimental but he plays to 3d games in a win VM |
| 18:33.29 | jelly | _4of7: first, verify sshd process on server has bound a listener to *:22 port |
| 18:33.32 | johnjay | samouy: not sure what that is. so he has a PCI graphics card? |
| 18:33.40 | _4of7 | jelly: how do i do that? |
| 18:33.46 | hramrach | duh, irqbalance still does not configure |
| 18:33.47 | samouy | johnjay, yup |
| 18:33.58 | random_numbers | ead0dc93: Because many GPUs have DMA. |
| 18:33.58 | samouy | so the win VM has direct access to graphics |
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| 18:34.06 | jelly | _4of7: netstat -tlpn |grep sshd |
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| 18:34.53 | _4of7 | it is bound |
| 18:34.54 | random_numbers | ead0dc93: Meaning encryption won't save you, because the keys are in-memory. |
| 18:34.54 | jelly | _4of7: (run netstat as root. If you don't have that command, "ss -tlpn" instead) |
| 18:35.09 | _4of7 | to 0.0.0.0:22 |
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| 18:35.11 | jelly | _4of7: care to show the output? |
| 18:35.11 | johnjay | _4of7: netcat -ltp on the host machine? |
| 18:35.17 | johnjay | er netstat sorry |
| 18:35.29 | _4of7 | yes, this is running on the sfystem |
| 18:35.31 | _4of7 | hang on |
| 18:36.00 | johnjay | ah jelly you know the right spell as well |
| 18:36.00 | _4of7 | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3571/sshd |
| 18:36.08 | ead0dc93 | random_numbers: that sounds like a really complicated way to deal with me. Someone really has to put the effort into it ... dma out the keys from the GPU .... |
| 18:36.25 | ead0dc93 | it that realistic ? |
| 18:36.28 | _4of7 | tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 3571/sshd |
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| 18:36.43 | _4of7 | those 2 lines are output, from the running ssh server |
| 18:37.02 | jelly | _4of7: that looks right. Now try to connect from that machine itself to its public IP on port 22, eg. "telnet a.b.c.d 22" |
| 18:37.25 | _4of7 | it has no public IP, it's behind a NAT |
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| 18:37.35 | _4of7 | (for the time being) |
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| 18:37.52 | jelly | _4of7: it has an IP that you're connecting to, tho? |
| 18:37.58 | _4of7 | yes |
| 18:38.05 | _4of7 | 192.168.1.149 according to ifconfig |
| 18:38.15 | jelly | that's public enough for this purpose |
| 18:39.00 | random_numbers | ead0dc93: Yes, it has been done. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/mac-encryption-passwords-dma-attack,33209.html |
| 18:39.00 | _4of7 | so what else should i check? i've never had this issue before... |
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| 18:39.38 | mihi | _4of7, what was the result of telnet from the machine to itself? |
| 18:39.44 | johnjay | glycol: so it's reprogramming the BIOS to enable a VM to access the hardware? |
| 18:39.45 | mihi | should see the SSH banner |
| 18:39.49 | random_numbers | ead0dc93: In this case there were even mitigations... which failed all the same. |
| 18:40.14 | random_numbers | And "physical access" includes USB stuff bought over Ebay. |
| 18:40.15 | jelly | _4of7: basically go from server back to the client, one network component at a time |
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| 18:40.28 | _4of7 | "telnet localhost", "trying ::1", "trying 127.0.0.1", |
| 18:40.36 | jelly | _4of7: not localhost. |
| 18:40.37 | _4of7 | telnet: unable to connect to remote host: connection refused |
| 18:40.41 | _4of7 | oh |
| 18:40.41 | random_numbers | Well, maybe not USB, depends on the USB controller module. |
| 18:40.43 | _4of7 | you mean the ip |
| 18:40.44 | _4of7 | ok hang on |
| 18:40.54 | jelly | _4of7: "telnet 192.168.1.149 22" |
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| 18:41.01 | _4of7 | connection refused |
| 18:41.06 | MrBar | hi debian |
| 18:41.10 | _4of7 | oh wait |
| 18:41.12 | _4of7 | no |
| 18:41.15 | rindolf | MrBar: hi |
| 18:41.16 | _4of7 | when i add 22, i get: |
| 18:41.17 | jelly | _4of7: on the machine itself? |
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| 18:41.24 | _4of7 | Trying 192.168.1.149... |
| 18:41.32 | _4of7 | Connected to 192.168.1.149. |
| 18:41.39 | MrBar | Stretch is released or not? |
| 18:41.42 | _4of7 | Escape chrcter is '^]'. |
| 18:42.06 | _4of7 | SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.4p1 Debian-10 |
| 18:42.13 | dalk | MrBar: no, not yet... |
| 18:42.17 | tripkin | _4of7, just a side note, have you checked the permissions of .ssh? SSH is very strict about that, and I had a similar message when those permissions were not correct. |
| 18:42.19 | jelly | _4of7: so that works. You can press Control ], type q and <Enter> to quit telnet |
| 18:42.22 | _4of7 | jelly: yes, the above is from the system itself |
| 18:42.24 | random_numbers | https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dn632182(v=ws.11).aspx (Yes, microsoft link, sorry) Types of Attacks for Volume Encryption Keys |
| 18:42.32 | MrBar | sad |
| 18:42.46 | jelly | tripkin: permissions on ~/.ssh won't cause a connection refused |
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| 18:42.54 | _4of7 | it's a swedish keyboard. ] is hard |
| 18:43.01 | _4of7 | ok i'll check .ssh |
| 18:43.06 | jelly | no need to |
| 18:43.08 | _4of7 | which file specifically? |
| 18:43.10 | tripkin | Ah, must be confused. It has been a while. |
| 18:43.23 | _4of7 | hm |
| 18:43.34 | johnjay | i'm curious to see how this problem is resolve. can't ssh to a machine from outside but can ssh to itself |
| 18:43.38 | tripkin | Maybe it was to do with the key based logins I was doing. |
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| 18:43.39 | jelly | you can't even connect to ssh service, ~/.ssh is only relevant AFTER a connection is established |
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| 18:43.52 | random_numbers | ead0dc93: Turns out USB, in general, doesn't allow it, according to my previous link. Good news I guess. |
| 18:43.57 | glycol | johnjay: i don't think you have to edit the bios at all unless you have VT-d or AMD-V disabled and hidden from the bios menu or something similar |
| 18:44.01 | hramrach | the thing is VMs are not secure. As number of Windows machines running in VMs increases targetting virtualization weaknesses in attacks get more rewarding for attackers and it will happen |
| 18:44.22 | johnjay | glycol: i'm trying to determine if it's software, hardware, or voodoo that's allowing him to play 3d games on a windows guest |
| 18:44.24 | random_numbers | Absolutely. |
| 18:44.26 | Aebian | what was the package again that displays the debian logo in a terminal and outputs the current version and other infos about the system? |
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| 18:44.57 | _4of7 | from the system itself, which runs sshd and has ip 192.168.1.149, i can do this: |
| 18:45.02 | random_numbers | Possible mitigations include per-VM MAC rules, but in the end it's only mitigation, not prevention. |
| 18:45.04 | _4of7 | ssh myusername@192.168.1.149 |
| 18:45.06 | _4of7 | nd i can log in |
| 18:45.23 | MrBar | _4of7, what problem? |
| 18:45.24 | hramrach | glycol: it's just normal. Anyone can run a Windows VM given recent hardware with 2+ GPUs quite easily |
| 18:45.27 | _4of7 | root login doesn't work though |
| 18:45.41 | b | root account is disabled by default. |
| 18:45.44 | MrBar | _4of7, enable root login |
| 18:45.47 | _4of7 | but, |
| 18:45.55 | _4of7 | $ ssh fucker@192.168.1.149 |
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| 18:45.57 | _4of7 | ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.149 port 22: Connection refused |
| 18:45.59 | hramrach | sharing one graphics card would be hairy but using two will probably just work |
| 18:46.01 | glycol | johnjay: you can check what other did with a specific device/motherboard, usually it's just software |
| 18:46.05 | _4of7 | this is from not-the-server |
| 18:46.08 | jelly | _4of7: that doesn't make a lot of sense |
| 18:46.16 | _4of7 | yeah so |
| 18:46.22 | mihi | _4of7, telnet from not-the-server? |
| 18:46.22 | _4of7 | * sshd is listening on port 22 |
| 18:46.33 | mihi | what OS is not-the-server? |
| 18:46.36 | _4of7 | * i can ssh into the system, from the system itself |
| 18:46.37 | jelly | _4of7: did you run "<_4of7> $ ssh fucker@192.168.1.149" from the ssh server as well? |
| 18:46.42 | hramrach | you need an iommu but most recent Intel chipsets have one |
| 18:46.44 | _4of7 | * i cannot ssh into the system from my other machine |
| 18:46.55 | _4of7 | i also tried ssh'ing into it from my RPi, same "connection refused" error |
| 18:47.00 | _4of7 | jelly: yes |
| 18:47.00 | jelly | _4of7: that was already established |
| 18:47.05 | _4of7 | that works on the server, but not client |
| 18:47.12 | _4of7 | server is running debian stretch with latest updates |
| 18:47.12 | jelly | ok, so nothing new |
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| 18:47.16 | _4of7 | client is running debian stretch |
| 18:47.21 | mihi | _4of7, any iptable rules on the server? |
| 18:47.23 | MrBar | _4of7, maybe firewall? |
| 18:47.28 | jelly | _4of7: do you have a local firewall on server? |
| 18:47.40 | MrBar | it firewall time |
| 18:47.49 | jelly | _4of7: pastebin the output of "iptables-save" |
| 18:47.55 | _4of7 | from the server? |
| 18:48.04 | johnjay | hramrach: that's fine. but forgive me if i don't go out and buy more video cards based on a reddit post |
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| 18:48.20 | MrBar | _4of7, yes |
| 18:48.26 | _4of7 | iptables-save output from server (i have to type by hand): |
| 18:48.40 | jelly | !paste |
| 18:48.40 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 18:48.42 | hramrach | yes, do your research. As said not every configuration will work easily |
| 18:48.49 | _4of7 | # Generted by iptables-save v1.6.0 on Sat Jun 17 19:48:03 2017 |
| 18:48.56 | _4of7 | *filter |
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| 18:49.08 | jelly | _4of7: screenshot is fine as well if you can't paste text |
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| 18:49.09 | dob1 | a netsplit for the new debian |
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| 18:49.12 | _4of7 | hm |
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| 18:49.18 | jelly | nod |
| 18:49.19 | glycol | geez |
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| 18:49.22 | _4of7 | these netsplits make typing the output untenable |
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| 18:49.47 | jelly | _4of7: after that, "nft list ruleset" just in case you managed to set up some fancy new nftables stuff |
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| 18:50.44 | johnjay | jelly: iptables-save is very counter-intuitively named |
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| 18:50.51 | glycol | you can "passthrough" with just an Intel IGP after Haswell and maybe Haswell too, it's called XenGT but you probably have to compile stuff with patches |
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| 18:51.04 | jelly | johnjay: complain to the authors |
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| 18:51.29 | _4of7 | https://lut.im/9SWTrhDj1W/l7B4ppJ7vRtqYTlb.jpg |
| 18:51.34 | _4of7 | output is a bit blurry |
| 18:51.36 | _4of7 | this is a webcam |
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| 18:51.46 | MrBar | iptables itself counter-intuitively and brain faked |
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| 18:52.05 | glycol | anyone here upgraded to 9 yet? any issues? |
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| 18:52.15 | teraflops | _4of7: dude, that's unreadable |
| 18:52.19 | MrBar | _4of7, nice pic |
| 18:52.20 | _4of7 | i've been running 9 since septembe0r 2016 |
| 18:52.23 | _4of7 | i'll tke a new pic |
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| 18:52.38 | jelly | _4of7: that looks like a clean-slate iptables-save output, no firewall rules, all default chains set to ACCEPT |
| 18:52.39 | _4of7 | https://lut.im/zlURA0jisE/EEgbb6NzUh8zxVsu.jpg |
| 18:52.45 | _4of7 | that's iptables-save |
| 18:52.53 | _4of7 | i'll do "nft list ruleset" now |
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| 18:52.56 | hramrach | glycol: I updated apt config to prefer stretch over testing. it's still as broken as ever ;-) |
| 18:53.09 | jelly | _4of7: is your ssh client in the same network segment as 192.168.1.149 ssh server? |
| 18:53.21 | _4of7 | i don't have nft installed |
| 18:53.25 | jelly | good |
| 18:53.29 | _4of7 | jelly: yes, same network segment |
| 18:53.34 | jelly | so it's not a local firewall on server. |
| 18:53.35 | lavenders | is there a lightju |
| 18:53.40 | lavenders | srz |
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| 18:53.48 | MrBar | what is nft? |
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| 18:53.53 | mihi | _4of7, can your machines see each other's mac addresses in 'arp -a'? |
| 18:53.54 | _4of7 | yep, just checked |
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| 18:53.56 | _4of7 | same network segment |
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| 18:53.59 | glycol | _4of7: few months ago i managed to make GNOME unloadable by just messing around with flatpaks in gnome-software |
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| 18:54.22 | MrBar | glycol, 9 not ready |
| 18:54.27 | jelly | _4of7: pastebin the output of "ifconfig -a" or "ip a" on the server, and "arp -an" on the client right after you try to ssh in unsuccessfully |
| 18:54.37 | _4of7 | ah |
| 18:54.41 | _4of7 | ah |
| 18:54.46 | _4of7 | arp -a on server can't see my client |
| 18:54.47 | mihi | MrBar, nft is frontend for NFTables (new firewall framework that uses precompiled faster rules for both ip and bridge) |
| 18:54.55 | _4of7 | my client can see server mac running arp -a |
| 18:55.09 | MrBar | mihi it not ready now afaik |
| 18:55.21 | _4of7 | client: |
| 18:55.23 | _4of7 | arp -a |
| 18:55.25 | _4of7 | libreboot.lan (192.168.1.171) at 00:1f:16:80:86:21 [ether] on enp0s25 |
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| 18:55.27 | _4of7 | libreCMC.lan (192.168.1.1) at 2e:b0:5d:9c:a3:3d [ether] on enp0s25 |
| 18:55.29 | _4of7 | outerhaven.lan (192.168.1.149) at 00:1f:16:40:20:11 [ether] on enp0s25 |
| 18:55.29 | jelly | !paste |
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| 18:55.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 18:56.12 | jelly | told you about the !paste bro |
| 18:56.15 | _4of7 | sorry about that |
| 18:56.18 | _4of7 | anyway: https://lut.im/JmtfPMmj1j/lBPMOPnLt9Is1Uat.jpg |
| 18:56.24 | _4of7 | that's arp -a from server |
| 18:56.35 | MrBar | _4of7, why you interface named like enp0s25? |
| 18:56.39 | jelly | _4of7: that's really unreadable |
| 18:56.43 | jelly | MrBar: that's normal |
| 18:56.44 | teraflops | that's just a blurry pic |
| 18:56.44 | migmolrod | that's the blurriest photo i've ever seen hahaha |
| 18:56.54 | _4of7 | this debian stretch server runs systemd i think |
| 18:57.04 | MrBar | jelly, it not default in debian |
| 18:57.06 | _4of7 | yeah blame my shitty logitec c720 webcam |
| 18:57.11 | jelly | MrBar: it is in stretch. https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ |
| 18:57.28 | glycol | hramrach: what's still broken? maybe i can handle it, these old packages are getting annoying |
| 18:57.30 | _4of7 | actually |
| 18:57.31 | MrBar | but stretch is not ready |
| 18:57.32 | teraflops | _4of7: save the output to a file and put in a usbkey? |
| 18:57.33 | _4of7 | my server uses eth0 |
| 18:57.39 | _4of7 | not the systemd notation |
| 18:57.50 | jelly | MrBar: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#new-interface-names |
| 18:57.50 | _4of7 | sure hang on |
| 18:57.59 | jelly | MrBar: so what? |
| 18:58.30 | teraflops | MrBar: if you upgrade from jessie to stretch if names remains the same |
| 18:58.35 | MrBar | it too strange to help with distro that not ready |
| 18:58.42 | jelly | teraflops: no they don't! :-) |
| 18:58.46 | _4of7 | stretch is stable |
| 18:58.48 | _4of7 | it comes out today |
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| 18:58.54 | teraflops | jelly: they do |
| 18:58.54 | MrBar | no |
| 18:58.57 | _4of7 | i had this ssh issue in jessie too |
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| 18:59.05 | _4of7 | ok i'll get usb key now |
| 18:59.15 | MrBar | _4of7, just use stable distro to avoid problems |
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| 18:59.18 | jelly | MrBar: it's ready. |
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| 18:59.25 | gnunix | hi all, i have a quick question |
| 18:59.33 | MrBar | jelly, it not ready for release |
| 18:59.36 | jelly | MrBar: release is in progress. |
| 18:59.44 | _4of7 | release date for debian stretch is today lol |
| 18:59.45 | jelly | it's not instantaneous |
| 18:59.47 | MrBar | jelly, but not ready |
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| 18:59.58 | teraflops | jelly: at least here, and when I pointed to it here I was told it was a normal behaviour |
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| 19:00.15 | teraflops | MrBar: please⦠|
| 19:00.18 | teraflops | ok |
| 19:00.18 | jelly | MrBar: please don't argue needle... eh |
| 19:00.19 | gnunix | i'm running stretch testing, what should i do when it's released? |
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| 19:00.29 | glycol | *russian voice* iz not ready |
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| 19:00.41 | jelly | comrade, it vill be ready for YOU |
| 19:00.43 | teraflops | gnunix: nothing special |
| 19:01.04 | mihi | gnunix, in case you have "testing" in sources.list, decide if you want to replace by "stretch" |
| 19:01.14 | _4of7 | ok |
| 19:01.18 | _4of7 | arp -a from server: |
| 19:01.20 | _4of7 | https://paste.debian.net/971879/ |
| 19:01.22 | dontknow | gnunix, add this line to sources.list "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main" |
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| 19:01.28 | gnunix | mihi: but i heard it itsn't released yet? |
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| 19:01.42 | gnunix | ty ty |
| 19:01.44 | jelly | _4of7: where's ip a or ifconfig -a from server? |
| 19:01.50 | _4of7 | arp -a from client: https://paste.debian.net/971880/ |
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| 19:02.00 | _4of7 | jelly: do you want that too? |
| 19:02.03 | jelly | didn't ask for arp from server at all |
| 19:02.16 | _4of7 | ip a from server right? |
| 19:02.19 | _4of7 | or ipconfig |
| 19:02.22 | _4of7 | ifconfig* |
| 19:02.26 | jelly | any of those will do |
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| 19:03.05 | jelly | _4of7: want to see if MAC address on server's interface matches what the client sees (I bet it doesn't) |
| 19:03.07 | teraflops | _4of7: excuse me I wasnt following your issue, are you running avahi-daemon and you cannot access the server by name? |
| 19:03.22 | jelly | teraflops: cannot access ssh by ip, connection refused |
| 19:03.26 | teraflops | ugh |
| 19:03.31 | teraflops | thanks |
| 19:03.45 | jelly | sshd running, no firewall on server, SUPPOSEDLY same network segment |
| 19:04.13 | _4of7 | ifconfig from server: https://paste.debian.net/971882/ |
| 19:04.31 | _4of7 | ip a from server: https://paste.debian.net/971884/ |
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| 19:05.11 | _4of7 | ip a from client: https://paste.debian.net/971885/ |
| 19:05.25 | _4of7 | oh |
| 19:05.33 | _4of7 | i think i know |
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| 19:05.43 | _4of7 | mac address conflict |
| 19:05.46 | _4of7 | i'm pretty sure this is the problem |
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| 19:06.41 | _4of7 | this is a libreboot system, on an intel gm45/ich9 laptop, where you're able to set a mac address in the ROM that you flash. i must be using the same mac address as another system, and forgot to change it |
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| 19:06.52 | _4of7 | i'll change the mac address to something random, and then see if ssh works |
| 19:07.13 | _4of7 | i probably have another system connected to the network, where i forgot to change the mac address |
| 19:07.16 | jelly | !pal _4of7 |
| 19:07.16 | dpkg | points at _4of7 and laughs hysterically |
| 19:07.21 | _4of7 | seriously |
| 19:07.24 | _4of7 | this is like |
| 19:07.29 | teraflops | hehehe |
| 19:07.36 | _4of7 | the most common issue with networking on libreboot systems |
| 19:07.58 | jelly | why not use the MAC that was there originally |
| 19:08.05 | _4of7 | you're in an organisation. you've got 10 T400s all lined up. none of them have network connections and you don't why. then you remember: you have to set different MAC addresses |
| 19:08.15 | _4of7 | if you flash the exact same ROM on all systems, they'll all have the same MAC address |
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| 19:08.32 | _4of7 | i'm about to flash a different ROM (setting another hardcoded MAC address for the NIC) |
| 19:08.36 | glycol | to upgrade i have to "apt upgrade" then dist-upgrade? because 600+ packages are not getting upgraded and some of them are from jessie-backports but also stuff like gdm3 |
| 19:08.42 | _4of7 | if this fixes my issue, i'm going to laugh at myself hysterically |
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| 19:09.22 | jelly | glycol: to upgrade, you need to read and follow the release notes |
| 19:09.51 | jelly | last time, that included "disable backports" |
| 19:09.55 | brianx | or make images with a specific mac, when you see that mac, run a script that generates a random mac and uses arp to look to see if it already exists. if successful, save the mac. |
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| 19:10.40 | jelly | or file a wishlist bug report for libreboot people to read off the original MAC before reflashing |
| 19:10.45 | chachasmooth | stable 9 release is today? |
| 19:10.47 | chachasmooth | in a few hours? |
| 19:11.04 | jelly | chachasmooth: it's in progress RIGHT NOW!!!11!1eleventyone |
| 19:11.07 | teraflops | brianx: I can think of a gazillion ways of doing it properly, but I dont get the point of hardcoding a mac address that way |
| 19:11.19 | chachasmooth | jelly so excited! :) |
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| 19:11.51 | jelly | dpkg, tell glycol about stretch release notes |
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| 19:11.57 | jelly | dpkg, tell glycol about jessie->stretch |
| 19:11.58 | brianx | teraflops: i think these are virtual machines so there is no physical mac to use. |
| 19:12.31 | chachasmooth | any news for LXD on debian? |
| 19:12.42 | teraflops | I thought they where real hw, he mentioned thinkpads |
| 19:12.48 | jelly | brianx: T400 are thinkpad laptops |
| 19:12.52 | _4of7 | heh |
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| 19:12.54 | _4of7 | cool |
| 19:12.59 | _4of7 | debian sets strict devmem by default now, in stretch |
| 19:13.04 | id10t | re: release - where should i be looking for the earliest availability of torrents for the CD/DVD images so I can contribute by seeding? |
| 19:13.08 | _4of7 | i have to reboot with iomem=relaxed to use flashrom |
| 19:13.32 | jelly | there's a couple of other restrictions that come with newer kernel |
| 19:13.45 | brianx | teraflops: with so many lines from them, that detail had scrolled out. :-/ |
| 19:13.50 | teraflops | brianx: np |
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| 19:14.24 | _4of7 | ok did that. now flashing... will report whether i'm a dumbass and had conflicting mac address or not, in about 1 minute |
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| 19:14.57 | jelly | id10t: probably https://micronews.debian.org/ |
| 19:15.14 | |subz3r0| | the day is almost over in this timezone here... |
| 19:15.37 | brianx | at least tell the maintainers to use deadbeef or something so you know the mac is a dup _4of7. |
| 19:15.56 | jelly | id10t: see also topic for #debian-cd over on OFTC network (= irc.debian.org) |
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| 19:16.13 | zleap | hi |
| 19:16.33 | _4of7 | hey so |
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| 19:16.48 | _4of7 | rebooted with new mac, but now i have no ip... how do i reset network config etc? |
| 19:16.50 | zleap | any news on release time? |
| 19:17.01 | _4of7 | the same NIC now has a different hardcoded MAC address |
| 19:17.11 | punctuatin | man macchanger? |
| 19:17.13 | zleap | i have been checking the debiab site during the day |
| 19:17.25 | punctuatin | ooh misread |
| 19:17.28 | jelly | perhaps |
| 19:17.30 | jelly | !70 |
| 19:17.30 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: «udevadm trigger» or reload the relevant driver module. See also <udev>. |
| 19:17.46 | _4of7 | also is there a guide somewhere on how to get back to eth0, eth1 etc |
| 19:17.56 | _4of7 | i really hate systemd's notation for network devices |
| 19:17.59 | jelly | _4of7: that's documented in the release notes |
| 19:18.11 | _4of7 | ok thanks i'll check |
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| 19:19.20 | jelly | or maybe not. Upstream docs say you can this to boot params: net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0 |
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| 19:20.20 | jelly | and that explains why I got new names even on jessie->stretch upgrade, I manually deleted the udev file. |
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| 19:21.06 | Guest95754 | how can i get my fn+f5 and fn+f6 function to increase and decrease the Brightness because they are not working for now |
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| 19:21.59 | teraflops | Guest95754: not working where? |
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| 19:22.09 | velix | Is today the day? |
| 19:22.21 | teraflops | yeah it's caturday |
| 19:22.32 | jelly | Guest95754: run xev in a terminal, see if those generate a relevant key code at all |
| 19:22.41 | velix | teraflops: na, I mean, where ETA turns to RTM |
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| 19:22.54 | jelly | velix: release is in progress. |
| 19:23.20 | velix | jelly: Torrent might be fastest, I guess? ;) |
| 19:23.24 | |subz3r0| | Guest95754: check some settings in /etc/default/grub |
| 19:23.35 | |subz3r0| | no time to check which settings exactly... but this is a start |
| 19:23.43 | jelly | velix: torrents not ready yet I think |
| 19:23.54 | teraflops | Guest95754: we definitely need more info |
| 19:24.03 | velix | jelly: On Windows I would say: let's wait for SP1 :)) |
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| 19:25.18 | Guest95754 | yes when i run xen in the terminal the codes get generated on moving the cursor |
| 19:25.32 | jhutchins | I've seen this before but don't remember the resolutio: System will boot and run, but hangs regularly and will only proceed if you keep pressing keys on the keyboard. New Motherboard? |
| 19:25.50 | Guest95754 | what more info do you need |
| 19:25.53 | teraflops | Guest95754: DE/WM, video driver, debian release, kernel version⦠|
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| 19:26.46 | _4of7 | so my problem now is: |
| 19:26.56 | _4of7 | systemd still thinks I have old MAC address |
| 19:27.03 | _4of7 | the same NIC now has a different MAC address |
| 19:27.16 | jelly | Guest95754: not on moving the cursor, on pressing and releasing your Fn-F5 and Fn-F6 |
| 19:27.17 | _4of7 | I can't get an IP address, on the same NIC, which did have an IP before changing it's hardcoded MAC address |
| 19:27.30 | teraflops | Guest95754: e.g DEs usually handle it for you while WMs dont |
| 19:27.38 | jelly | _4of7: how do you know it's systemd? |
| 19:27.42 | _4of7 | on non-systemd systems, this would have resolted before afaik in the interface moving to eth1 eth2 etc |
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| 19:27.56 | teraflops | Guest95754: also depending on the GPU/drivers you can have issues, same for the kernel |
| 19:28.01 | _4of7 | jelly: because of the device naming scheme. my NIC is named enp0s25 |
| 19:28.05 | _4of7 | not eth0 |
| 19:28.12 | jelly | _4of7: is the 70-persistent-net file in place? |
| 19:28.19 | _4of7 | let me check |
| 19:28.39 | jelly | asked that 10 minutes ago |
| 19:28.56 | _4of7 | yes |
| 19:28.58 | _4of7 | it is |
| 19:29.00 | ChunkzZ | jelly: anything since I've been gone? |
| 19:29.05 | _4of7 | ah |
| 19:29.12 | _4of7 | yes i have to change the mac address there don't i? |
| 19:29.21 | jelly | or delete it, yes |
| 19:29.33 | jelly | ChunkzZ: wrt? |
| 19:29.48 | ChunkzZ | has it been released? |
| 19:30.01 | jelly | no, I'd have changed the /topic probably |
| 19:30.05 | teraflops | _4of7: or you can leave the iface name issue apart and focus on getting it working properly⦠|
| 19:30.28 | teraflops | then rename it to goat0 if you like |
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| 19:30.46 | jelly | goaterfaces are not supported in stretch |
| 19:30.54 | teraflops | sadly |
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| 19:31.35 | _4of7 | now i know why people hate systemd |
| 19:31.50 | teraflops | speak for yourself |
| 19:31.54 | _4of7 | jelly: delete 70-persistent-rules file? |
| 19:32.03 | teraflops | bails on this one |
| 19:32.05 | jelly | _4of7: yes, it's autogenerated |
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| 19:32.24 | jelly | and it's not systemd's fault |
| 19:32.49 | jelly | that existed since... debian 5 or so |
| 19:33.04 | _4of7 | deleted it |
| 19:33.06 | _4of7 | rebooted |
| 19:33.08 | _4of7 | still no IP |
| 19:33.31 | _4of7 | enp0s25 can't be brought up since changing mac address of the NIC |
| 19:33.44 | jelly | are you supposed to get a dinamically assigned address via dhcp or what? |
| 19:34.18 | _4of7 | yes |
| 19:34.35 | jelly | _4of7: what does your /etc/network/interfaces look like? |
| 19:34.47 | _4of7 | let me go grab it |
| 19:34.56 | _4of7 | oh wait it says eth0 in there |
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| 19:36.06 | jelly | might want to change that (or go back to old naming) |
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| 19:38.53 | Guest95754 | so what can i do about the problem i have |
| 19:38.55 | ChunkzZ | I'm getting bored of seeing the hashtag #releasingstretch lol anyone else? |
| 19:38.55 | _4of7 | ok, did that |
| 19:38.57 | _4of7 | now i have an ip |
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| 19:39.05 | _4of7 | i changing /etc/network/interfaces to say enp0s25 |
| 19:39.18 | _4of7 | why did my networking work before though, if that file was incorrect before? |
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| 19:39.47 | _4of7 | oh btw |
| 19:39.55 | _4of7 | jelly: I'm an idiot |
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| 19:40.11 | _4of7 | because i was right: what made ssh'ing into the system network, was indeed a mac address conflict |
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| 19:40.31 | _4of7 | i just got the network working on the system, and now it has a different MAC address, and now I can ssh into the server |
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| 19:40.45 | _4of7 | so debian was working perfectly, it was just me being stupid |
| 19:40.51 | _4of7 | nonetheless, thank you for your help |
| 19:41.00 | _4of7 | this issue was not caused by debian, however |
| 19:41.24 | _4of7 | ...now i can continue setting up my debian router |
| 19:41.26 | _4of7 | thanks! |
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| 19:41.40 | jelly | !next |
| 19:41.40 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 19:42.47 | jelly | and hopefully they've learned something about systematically approaching a network service issue |
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| 19:43.34 | maunix_ | Hi all. I am looking for torrent file for the stretch release. I have found torrent for the stable release, and the iso of the stretch rc5 iso image. Is there any torrent of the stretch rc5-amd64 file? |
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| 19:44.02 | glycol | maunix_: probably not, as it's not officially out yet |
| 19:44.02 | maunix_ | the reason is that my internet connection sucks (It looses packages) but with torrent it downloads fast |
| 19:44.16 | glycol | oh rc5 |
| 19:44.43 | jelly | maunix_: soon |
| 19:44.46 | maunix_ | testing can do the job too. but stable is not ok for me. because i would need to download again... |
| 19:45.03 | jelly | (today or tomorrow) |
| 19:45.28 | maunix_ | i mean if i download the stable then when changing repositories to testing... i would have to stand for long updates. |
| 19:46.07 | glycol | looks like everytime pidgin makes a sound system volume goes to 100% and stays there |
| 19:46.12 | maunix_ | [jelly] and glycol... thanks. any torrent of rc4? |
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| 19:46.56 | maunix_ | what i want is to be on testing branch, rc4 can do the job too of course. only minor updates would be necessary compared with stable :) |
| 19:47.16 | teraflops | glycol: pulseaudio? if yes disable flat-volumes |
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| 19:47.56 | glycol | maunix_: .torrent for debian-stretch-DI-rc5-arm64-DVD-1.iso ? |
| 19:47.56 | teraflops | which I reaaally dont know why is default in debian btw |
| 19:48.15 | maunix_ | [glycol] yes. |
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| 19:48.36 | maunix_ | or for debian-stretch-DI-rc4-arm64-DVD-1.iso or any previous one |
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| 19:48.44 | glycol | teraflops: got used to it but this isn't definitely not intended behavior, im on stretch btw |
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| 19:49.18 | Fallenour1 | can your hostname be set to two separate names? |
| 19:49.31 | teraflops | glycol: check if flat-volumes is enabled |
| 19:49.36 | Fallenour1 | say for instance one name for configuration purposes, another for simple management purposes? |
| 19:49.50 | petn-randall | Fallenour1: no |
| 19:49.57 | Fallenour1 | E.G: 10.0.0.1 controller1 10.0.0.1 openstack-srv-000001 |
| 19:49.58 | Fallenour1 | damn |
| 19:49.58 | petn-randall | Fallenour1: see 'man hostname' for details. |
| 19:50.07 | Fallenour1 | one or the other then :( |
| 19:50.07 | slurik | I'm looking for help. I'd like to use CMake to compile things, but when i follow guides and whatnot, everytime that I execute cmake to do so, it says no CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER could be found. I understand in principle what this is telling me but I am not clear on how to obtain and install then direct cmake to a compiler. I would like someone to help me with this process |
| 19:50.21 | APLU | maunix_: CD or DVD ? |
| 19:50.29 | teraflops | glycol: https://wiki.debian.org/PulseAudio |
| 19:50.35 | Fallenour1 | did you try it as root slurik? I know that sounds odd, but I have compiling issues some times related to privileges |
| 19:50.41 | slurik | no I did not. |
| 19:50.44 | slurik | Give me a moment to try that |
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| 19:50.46 | Fallenour1 | try it as root |
| 19:50.50 | petn-randall | It's not recommended? |
| 19:50.57 | Fallenour1 | but it works o.o |
| 19:50.58 | petn-randall | Compiling as root is a big no-go. |
| 19:51.02 | maunix_ | [APLU] any but I prever dvd. |
| 19:51.03 | slurik | nah, same error |
| 19:51.03 | glycol | teraflops: yeah 1 sec |
| 19:51.04 | slurik | exit |
| 19:51.15 | jelly | Fallenour1: why would that even |
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| 19:51.17 | slurik | wops, wrong box |
| 19:51.32 | slurik | but yeah, saying same thing to me. CMAKE_CXX_Compiler cant be found |
| 19:51.42 | jelly | slurik: install build-essential, for a start |
| 19:51.52 | slurik | ok jelly, I'll do this now |
| 19:52.04 | Fallenour1 | sometimes Im not granted access to some of my tools because they require administrative or root privileges. its not ideal, but again, its why vms and tools like openstack exist. tool blows up box with root powers, blow box away, new box 6 seconds later |
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| 19:53.10 | jelly | Fallenour1: do not make an implicit assumption other users have disposable vm/container environments like that when suggesting solutions |
| 19:53.23 | slurik | ok now I get a different error Jelly. Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/c++ |
| 19:53.37 | jelly | that's not the complete output |
| 19:53.39 | jelly | !paste |
| 19:53.39 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 19:53.44 | slurik | hell no! |
| 19:53.48 | slurik | i don want to spam like that |
| 19:53.54 | teraflops | also what Fallenour1 says is a bad practice no matter the environment is a real machine or vm |
| 19:53.55 | slurik | k noted. ill do this |
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| 19:54.17 | jelly | slurik: which debian release is this btw? |
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| 19:54.30 | slurik | i used the netinstaller for jessie |
| 19:54.54 | slurik | im a TOTAL newb, i may be answering the wrong thing |
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| 19:56.17 | jelly | which is why showing the exact command you used and full output may be more helpful than a small selection |
| 19:56.33 | slurik | http://paste.debian.net/971892/ |
| 19:56.37 | slurik | i think that will work. |
| 19:56.55 | slurik | the command was copied and pasted from a guide |
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| 19:57.01 | poicte | appologies if this has already been asked, but does anyone know when the ISO file will be come downloadable for stretch |
| 19:57.49 | slurik | i obtained the guide here:https://github.com/Genoil/cpp-ethereum/ |
| 19:58.01 | slurik | and am following instructions for ubuntu |
| 19:58.34 | slurik | "Ubuntu 15.10 or Newer" |
| 19:58.53 | slurik | id just rather not go install ubuntu, this machine was something I put together to learn linux |
| 19:59.08 | Fallenour1 | hey slurik are you using it for bitcoin mining by chance? |
| 19:59.12 | slurik | and it is used for RPi |
| 19:59.17 | slurik | ethereum mining, yes |
| 19:59.32 | Fallenour1 | ok, dont waste your time with ubuntu then, go get busybox or puppy linux |
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| 19:59.45 | slurik | reason being? |
| 19:59.54 | slurik | highr hashrates? |
| 19:59.57 | jelly | slurik: I see two different issues there, lines 2-5,13-16 complain of permssions, (did you unpack or git clone as root?), and more important, line 31 says you're missing -dev package (headers) for some CryptoPP library |
| 19:59.59 | slurik | higher?^ |
| 20:00.01 | Fallenour1 | its less resource intensive, and will increase your systems performance. also be aware that microcenter and newegg have started dropping graphics card replacement plans |
| 20:00.10 | Fallenour1 | so go get an asic miner for ideal mining conditions |
| 20:00.10 | slurik | no I didnt as root. |
| 20:00.12 | glycol | maunix_: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:21bc9fa7d3765db87882944833ffa4515cb81b78&dn=debian-stretch-DI-rc5-arm64-DVD-1.iso |
| 20:00.20 | slurik | yes |
| 20:00.24 | slurik | i noted that abot newegg |
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| 20:00.39 | slurik | ok well, I'll trust your judgement Fallenour1 and note your name down and try that road |
| 20:00.46 | slurik | you might hear from me in a day or 2 :) |
| 20:01.03 | jelly | glycol: that's old, the actual release image is being tested and will be out today or tomorrow |
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| 20:01.08 | Fallenour1 | your best odds of keeping your g-card alive is water cooling, look at the h60. its not designed for it, but you can totaly use it on the gcard by removing the side covers and not using the fans |
| 20:01.23 | Fallenour1 | use a box fan for the area space, and the water cooler direct on where the fan cooler would be |
| 20:01.30 | teraflops | he left |
| 20:01.41 | teraflops | ey^ |
| 20:01.43 | Fallenour1 | a push/pull would be best |
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| 20:02.50 | APLU | glycol: well, I made that torrent for maunix_ (he is downloading from it) magnet:?xt=urn:btih:3cf027783d23ce5208f1647eca5b26e08fc2c402&dn=debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.opentrackr.org%3A1337 (I know image is 1week old and new release will be anytime now :) |
| 20:03.23 | maunix_ | [glycol] thanks! APLU sent me the link via private message |
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| 20:03.38 | glycol | maunix_: alright |
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| 20:04.17 | jelly | I'd advise against using random torrents unless you can checksum and gpg verify the iso |
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| 20:04.44 | glycol | yeah, sha1 is in the magnet url |
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| 20:04.59 | APLU | you can checksum by downloading sha1 from here: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 20:05.29 | APLU | (or any sha if you fear about shatteredâ¦) |
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| 20:14.13 | ChunkzZ | There are 417 Debian consultants in 55 countries worldwide. Consult on Debian today! https://www.debian.org/consultants/ at Submitted on 17 June 2017 22:10:00 so 2 hours left to release... |
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| 20:14.56 | jelly | don't sync your watch. |
| 20:15.14 | ChunkzZ | jelly: ? |
| 20:15.29 | APLU | ChunkzZ: have you ever seen a debian released right on time? :p (sorry troll was too easy ^^) |
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| 20:15.58 | ChunkzZ | APLU: nope, this is the first time I'm seeing a new debian release on release day lol why? |
| 20:16.24 | jelly | ChunkzZ: things will be out gradually, over time of today and maybe tomorrow |
| 20:16.53 | ChunkzZ | jelly: so safe to say I should go bed? lol been awake waiting for it... |
| 20:16.53 | jelly | that means repo changes, iso images, documentation |
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| 20:17.19 | jelly | ChunkzZ: yes |
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| 20:17.34 | jelly | it won't run away anywhere :-) |
| 20:17.41 | choice | Hello! I am looking at some 16 year old old gzipped email files via zless. Instead of ü I see <FC> and instead of ö <F6> :) What can I do to see the text normally? |
| 20:18.47 | jelly | choice: if your terminal is UTF-8 enabled, you'll want to transcode that (ISO-8859-1?) to UTF-8 first |
| 20:18.56 | choice | jelly: How so? |
| 20:19.28 | jelly | zcat blah.gz | iconv -f iso8859-1 -t utf8 | less ... maybe |
| 20:20.47 | velix | Which 2017/06/17 is meant as the relase date? I think, there are more than 24 of instance of this date on the world ;) |
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| 20:21.35 | jelly | choice: I'm _guessing_ it's in latin1 (iso8859-1), maybe it's some other coding, but "man latin1" says " 366 246 F6 ö LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH DIAERESIS" |
| 20:21.49 | choice | jelly: I tried "vim blah.gz" and it displays it correctly automagically! Yay! |
| 20:21.49 | jelly | velix: UTC+13 |
| 20:21.58 | velix | jelly: uh, I'm +2 :( |
| 20:22.33 | velix | jelly: Whenever I read "diaeresis" I have to smile and think about "diarrhea" :) |
| 20:23.29 | velix | choice: It might also be iso8859-15 or Windows-1252 (latin1). "ö" is used in the German language. |
| 20:23.34 | jelly | throws ümläütën ät velïx |
| 20:23.51 | jelly | cp1252 isn't "latin1" |
| 20:24.22 | velix | jelly: returns a Capital Ã: Ạ|
| 20:24.45 | velix | jelly: you're right, sorry. |
| 20:24.52 | jelly | that was a wide throw |
| 20:25.09 | velix | jelly: here's a nice comparism: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8859-1#ISO_8859-1_vs._ISO_8859-15_vs._Windows-1252_vs._Unicode |
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| 20:25.49 | Fallenour1 | so if I build a freenas box inside of ceph as a vm, what is the performance hit do you think ill take percentage wise on iops? |
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| 20:26.08 | jelly | Fallenour1: how is that a debian question |
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| 20:26.56 | Fallenour1 | because ceph will sit ontop of debian? |
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| 20:27.05 | Ulrar | Fallenour1: And that's completely impossible to say without more info about your setup anyway. You should try #ceph though :) |
| 20:27.45 | Fallenour1 | ok ulrar ill check that out. Im not sure how debian will interact with ceph, much less vms or itself. Im only familiar with VM iops loss/gains with Hyper-V and vmware :( |
| 20:28.01 | Ulrar | Fallenour1: Debian has basically nothing to do with this |
| 20:28.21 | Ulrar | What will matter is Ceph and your hardware |
| 20:28.26 | jelly | this will all depend on drivers and hardware and storage config in question |
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| 20:28.52 | Fallenour1 | config is a raid 10, solid state drives, 84k iops |
| 20:29.18 | jelly | still asking in the wrong place |
| 20:29.29 | Ulrar | Yeah, debian people don't know how ceph works |
| 20:29.40 | Ulrar | (Well, they might, but that's not the point) |
| 20:30.00 | Ulrar | You need to ask the Ceph people, they are way more likely to know how ceph works :) |
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| 20:30.33 | jelly | the point is very specific domain expertise is better handled in a different channel than your distro tech support |
| 20:30.42 | Fallenour1 | honestly I already have, people dont talk too often in the ceph or openstack channels for some reason |
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| 20:30.51 | Ulrar | It's like asking vmware about apache |
| 20:31.01 | jelly | but I run apache on vmware!! |
| 20:31.06 | Ulrar | :D |
| 20:31.34 | Ulrar | Fallenour1: I imagine there is no way to answer your question (besides test it) |
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| 20:31.40 | Ulrar | But I could be wrong, I've never used Ceph |
| 20:32.36 | Ulrar | I use glusterfs a lot though, and if you were to ask the same question about glusterfs my answer would be "A lot", but no idea how much |
| 20:32.41 | Ulrar | Pretty sure it's the same for ceph |
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| 20:33.59 | Fallenour1 | Ill let you guys know what I find out for future reference (unlikely as it may be). one of my plans is to migrate kodi installs into a native package with mysql for later reference. will allow video streaming and awesome video cataloging. Ill call it "WinDebian, Jelly Version" |
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| 20:36.25 | mrblckshewtt | sup racists |
| 20:36.51 | Fallenour1 | debian question, for debian environments, is there a single sign on package thats recommended? ive noticed that each of my credentials are treated as separate, even if theyre the same on different servers |
| 20:36.57 | sypher | Yeah, I don't like races either. NASCAR, Indy racing, F1, it's all kinda boring to me. |
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| 20:40.46 | persiandrugs | 100m, 8000m, marathons, triathlons... I disapprove also |
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| 20:41.58 | jelly | Fallenour1: that's a question I wish I had an answer to. sssd stuff is packaged, pam-ldapd, other ldap and kerberos bits are too |
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| 20:54.26 | sIRwa2 | FMI, will updating to stretch remove Mysql during to update process? |
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| 20:54.52 | ansgar | sIRwa2: I think it is supposed to install MariaDB instead. |
| 20:55.25 | sIRwa2 | hm, interessting |
| 20:56.17 | maxxe | *on stretch now* |
| 20:57.22 | jelly | sIRwa2: mysql 5.5 -> mariadb 10.1 by default, https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#mariadb-replaces-mysql |
| 20:57.50 | dontknow | there is still no debian 9 >.< |
| 20:58.33 | jelly | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:58.33 | jelly | 9.0 |
| 20:58.48 | dontknow | it is fake |
| 20:58.53 | jelly | nope |
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| 20:59.37 | jelly | it's been that way for a while in stretch, |
| 20:59.44 | jelly | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4 Jan 15 23:00 /etc/debian_version |
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| 21:00.49 | dontknow | it is just a writing |
| 21:00.55 | sIRwa2 | tnx jelly |
| 21:00.57 | arTee | upgrade to testing |
| 21:01.01 | sIRwa2 | mysql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.5.55, for debian-linux-gnu (x86_64) using readline 6.3 |
| 21:01.01 | arTee | you will get stretch |
| 21:01.18 | arTee | ez |
| 21:01.18 | dontknow | i am already on stretch |
| 21:01.21 | APLU | dontknow: you can still upgrade to strech right now by switching your sources.list, there will be few changes when it will be out |
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| 21:01.49 | dontknow | i am on fake stretch |
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| 21:02.23 | sIRwa2 | im only running to Kodi clients on the mysql, will they just not notice the upgrade to mariasql? |
| 21:02.31 | jelly | dontknow: nothing fake about it |
| 21:02.34 | choice | Hello! Where can I look up which version of certain applications will be in Debian 9? For example, which PHP version will it be? |
| 21:03.02 | [R] | choice: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages and look at testing |
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| 21:03.25 | dontknow | choice, https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#newdistro |
| 21:03.44 | APLU | dontknow: nothing fake here⦠strech code name has been choose a long time ago now... |
| 21:03.54 | choice | [R]: And tomorrow I will look at stable? |
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| 21:04.05 | [R] | choice: well tomorrow you acn just look at the files on the mirrors |
| 21:04.06 | [R] | lol |
| 21:04.44 | choice | "Package: php (1:7.0+49)" - what does that mean? |
| 21:04.45 | dontknow | APLU, no. it is pirate version |
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| 21:05.00 | [R] | choice: php 7.0 |
| 21:05.12 | dontknow | choice, look at the link i post. it sows what version |
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| 21:05.49 | choice | dontknow: ok |
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| 21:06.16 | APLU | dontknow: yeah sureâ¦Â and deb.debian.org is probably distributing malware, infecting and destroying my laptop⦠|
| 21:06.18 | choice | There is no search function where I can search for the name of an application and it shows which version will be in Debian 9? |
| 21:06.36 | [R] | choice: thats what the pacakges link is |
| 21:07.12 | glycol | choice: (1:7.0+49) means 7.0 basically |
| 21:07.19 | choice | r: I don't see a search on there. |
| 21:07.41 | [R] | choice: i know its tough |
| 21:07.44 | [R] | yo ugotta scroll down |
| 21:07.45 | [R] | and actually read |
| 21:07.48 | APLU | choice: "This package is a dependency package, which depends on Debian's default PHP version (currently 7.0)." |
| 21:07.49 | jelly | choice: you can also /msg judd versions firefox-esr |
| 21:08.31 | dontknow | with debian stretch i will download more ram |
| 21:08.32 | mint | I can do download from packet in other local or apt only? |
| 21:08.34 | dob1 | really interface are no longer named eth0 ?? |
| 21:08.39 | dob1 | eth1 etc? |
| 21:08.40 | choice | For cutycapt it says "cutycapt (0.0~svn10-0.1)" - what does that mean? |
| 21:08.54 | jelly | dob1: for a fresh install? correct |
| 21:09.02 | dob1 | jelly, for an upgrade |
| 21:09.11 | dontknow | dob1, it must be enp10s |
| 21:09.22 | jelly | dob1: they're kept. read the release notes |
| 21:09.23 | dontknow | or something like that |
| 21:09.24 | KANGZZZ | when are the debian stretch ISO being made? |
| 21:09.34 | jelly | !stretch release notes |
| 21:09.34 | dpkg | The release notes for Debian 9 "Stretch" are at https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ . See also <jessie->stretch>, <stretch install guide> |
| 21:09.36 | dontknow | in farm |
| 21:09.51 | chachasmooth | is it already live? |
| 21:09.53 | jelly | KANGZZZ: they've been made. Testing now in progress. |
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| 21:10.37 | dontknow | they have tested it for years. they should stop testing neaw |
| 21:10.46 | |subz3r0| | yeah |
| 21:10.55 | |subz3r0| | i also cannot read those "info" anymore... |
| 21:11.03 | |subz3r0| | "There are 417 Debian consultants in 55 countries worldwide. Consult on Debian today! " |
| 21:11.09 | |subz3r0| | actually i want the release ;) |
| 21:11.16 | jelly | dontknow: the images for 9.0.0 have been built today and are being tested today. |
| 21:11.56 | jelly | you don't want to give automated builds with potentially embarrasing bugs to normal users. |
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| 21:12.14 | johnjay | do i have to restart my computer after the dist-build upgrade completes? |
| 21:12.32 | jelly | johnjay: did you read the release notes? |
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| 21:12.48 | johnjay | nope. are they in the topic? |
| 21:12.56 | dontknow | better you reboot it |
| 21:13.09 | dob1 | jelly, ok thanks. but i don't find the section about the new iptables and the transaction to it (or if i can keep iptables) |
| 21:13.10 | glycol | you mean dist-upgrade? |
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| 21:13.20 | johnjay | glycol: i said dist-upgrade |
| 21:13.21 | jelly | johnjay: they are in /msg dpkg jessie->stretch |
| 21:13.23 | jelly | so yes |
| 21:13.28 | johnjay | thanks |
| 21:13.37 | glycol | "dist-build upgrade" |
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| 21:13.48 | jelly | eh, they know what they meant |
| 21:14.39 | dontknow | do channel accept the stretch support now? |
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| 21:16.42 | jelly | dontknow: we've accepted some stretch support for weeks-months now |
| 21:17.03 | dontknow | lol months? |
| 21:17.08 | dontknow | no sir no |
| 21:17.22 | missmbob | yes we have |
| 21:17.35 | dob1 | or there is not a replacement of iptables in stretch? it's in the next one? |
| 21:17.39 | jelly | not all of the volunteers, but some have. |
| 21:17.58 | jelly | dob1: there's still iptables, but there's also nftables in stretch |
| 21:18.37 | ryouma | will popular firewalls adopt nftables? |
| 21:18.59 | dob1 | jelly, i don't remember where, but i read some documentation about it, how to translate iptables rules to nftables rules. there is nothing in release notes |
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| 21:19.12 | johnjay | jelly: Chapter 5 says there are no additional step before rebooting |
| 21:19.13 | dob1 | (related to debian) |
| 21:19.17 | johnjay | but doesn't explicitly say to do so |
| 21:19.28 | jelly | dob1: nftables upstream have a decent wiki |
| 21:20.00 | jelly | johnjay: you upgraded the kernel. That always requires a reboot |
| 21:20.23 | jelly | "for changes to apply" |
| 21:20.26 | KANGZZZ | is gnome still going to be the default DE? |
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| 21:20.35 | johnjay | is it getting the new kernel version or is there more to why that's necessary |
| 21:20.35 | johnjay | ok that's what i thought |
| 21:21.04 | jelly | KANGZZZ: yes, but there are installation images with other DEs available |
| 21:21.10 | missmbob | KANGZZZ: sure, in netinst and such. |
| 21:21.43 | Canucktux_ | does anyone know when stretch-backports becomes active |
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| 21:22.32 | jelly | Canucktux_: last time it took a week or two |
| 21:23.11 | jelly | not before buster becomes significantly different from stretch anyway |
| 21:23.18 | Canucktux_ | jelly: cool, I'l hunker down then |
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| 21:23.47 | jelly | if you _already_ know you need a newer version of something, consider doing a |
| 21:23.49 | jelly | !ssb |
| 21:23.49 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 21:24.59 | Canucktux_ | jelly: right now I'm just using a experimental version |
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| 21:25.12 | Canucktux_ | but nothing to pressig so I'll wait for stable backports |
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| 21:26.05 | jelly | eh. So something will get uploaded to unstable sooner or later, and then fall to testing, and then if it's really useful rebuilt for backports ;-) |
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| 21:27.43 | Canucktux_ | Need those fresh MPV features yo |
| 21:28.16 | webuser5224 | Is stretch on stable already? |
| 21:28.23 | Canucktux_ | webuser5224: yes! |
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| 21:28.50 | edi | ah is it ? |
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| 21:29.08 | edi | cool! |
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| 21:29.27 | johnjay | well the upgrade seemed to go smoothly. although my chat client is still out of date |
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| 21:29.39 | Canucktux_ | edi: no party like a release party! |
| 21:29.50 | johnjay | jelly how is it you have the same system since 2001? wouldn't you get corrupt packages or something at some point and have to reinstall? |
| 21:29.54 | webuser5224 | Ahh, the netinst still gives me 8.8.0 |
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| 21:30.09 | webuser5224 | https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ - this one I mean |
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| 21:30.30 | mdslektr | exit |
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| 21:30.36 | edi | Cunucktux_, ^^ |
| 21:30.38 | webuser5224 | (I didn't want to have to upgrade if I can directly install it.) |
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| 21:31.06 | KANGZZZ | webuser5224, https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:31.20 | Canucktux_ | webuser5224: grab the latest testing net install then |
| 21:31.26 | webuser5224 | And then I'm tracking stretch, correct? |
| 21:31.28 | webuser5224 | Not stable? |
| 21:31.33 | APLU | johnjay: well one of my server were installed with floppy drive (debian 3.1 if I'm correct) and has been upgraded to debian 8 following release schedule without any issue for the past year :) |
| 21:31.36 | jelly | johnjay: there have been 3-4 major issues, mostly while I was tracking unstable or testing |
| 21:31.51 | Canucktux_ | webuser5224: I believe so |
| 21:32.05 | KANGZZZ | webuser5224, track stretch on your sources.list never use "stable" or "testing", you'll run into too many issues |
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| 21:35.51 | *** topic/#debian is Debian Stretch ETA 2017-06-17; /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg jessie->stretch; /msg dpkg install stretch | Stable: Debian Jessie /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg 8.8 ; /msg dpkg install jessie ; /msg dpkg install stretch | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
| 21:35.57 | Canucktux_ | I made sure to double check my testing install was on "stretch" when I installed |
| 21:36.04 | Canucktux_ | My body was ready for the stable |
| 21:36.06 | KANGZZZ | yeah I was told you would get a half ugprade that breaks the system and all sorts of craziness |
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| 21:36.24 | webuser5224 | Thanks for the advice, guys! |
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| 21:37.26 | Canucktux_ | good luck with your install webuser5224 |
| 21:37.41 | glycol | almost forgot to ask: what's up with x32? |
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| 21:40.01 | Canucktux_ | glycol: should be supported still https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#idm45845939097440 |
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| 21:41.10 | glycol | the x32 ABI i mean, 32 bit pointers with amd64 registers |
| 21:41.13 | TomTomTosch | x32 is not officially supported. |
| 21:41.48 | jelly | x32 has like 3 people in the channel, and about 1.5 actually doing any work on it |
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| 21:41.58 | glycol | lol ok then |
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| 21:42.33 | jelly | so if you want it to happen... you'll want to do a fair share of work |
| 21:43.17 | jelly | ooh. There's like double the people in that channel now, six!! |
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| 21:50.58 | ralpheeee | i installed debian and must say I was really surprised how it provided exceptional battery life when compared to arch...(not starting a flaming war)...i did however miss some packages which were quite behind (neomutt, qutebrowser...yada yada yada)...however i was really impressed with debain so i think i will go back to it...should i just wait till the 20th or just pull the trigger now? |
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| 21:51.25 | cgt | ralpheeee: wait for what? |
| 21:51.37 | glycol | ralpheeee: you should be alright with 9 as it is right now |
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| 21:52.04 | cgt | Stretch release was pushed to the 20th?? |
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| 21:52.31 | ralpheeee | oh my bad...i thought stretch was being released on 20th |
| 21:53.16 | ralpheeee | glycol: cool....will just do a clonezilla of my arch and get too it... |
| 21:54.29 | cgt | It's supposed to be released today, but we'll see. It works well. Running it on my desktop for months now, also two other boxes. |
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| 21:57.14 | ralpheeee | cgt: what kernel are you using? |
| 21:57.21 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 21:57.22 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.25-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1) |
| 21:57.22 | cgt | 4.9 |
| 21:57.33 | jelly | ,kernels --arch amd64 |
| 21:57.34 | judd | (kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
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| 21:57.44 | cgt | ralpheeee: Linux dpc4 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2 (2017-06-12) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:58.04 | TomTomTosch | mutt in stretch includes neomutt patches. |
| 21:58.06 | Fallenour1 | hey guys i keep getting a command line option -t not found on apt-get -t jessie-backports install, but I know for a fact its valid, its in the man pages. ideas? |
| 21:58.25 | jelly | TomTomTosch: but no sidebar any more |
| 21:58.41 | ralpheeee | TomTomTosch: ahhh....good to know |
| 21:58.46 | babilen | Hmm, docker didn't make it after all |
| 21:58.53 | Horachi | Hi, I'm on Debian Jessie and would rather stick with it for now instead of upgrading to stretch. Will I need to change anything in my sources.list? |
| 21:58.55 | webuser5224 | KANGZZZ, how do I verify those downloads, though? |
| 21:58.57 | jelly | Fallenour1: pastebin the full command line and full output |
| 21:58.57 | ralpheeee | jelly: dafuq...;( |
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| 21:59.15 | webuser5224 | The official ones had checksum and signature file with them |
| 21:59.16 | babilen | Horachi: Just make sure you have "jessie" in there |
| 21:59.30 | Horachi | babilen: yeah, they're all just the official debian jessie repos |
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| 21:59.49 | iBattaglin | new iso online? |
| 22:00.06 | |subz3r0| | no |
| 22:00.09 | cgt | If you like your jessie, you can keep it |
| 22:00.10 | |subz3r0| | day changed... |
| 22:00.11 | |subz3r0| | :( |
| 22:00.13 | glycol | Horachi: also make sure it's not "stable" |
| 22:00.19 | Fallenour1 | sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports install mysql-server python-pymysql |
| 22:00.20 | babilen | Horachi: That's perfectly fine then. As long as you don't have "stable" in there the reference will refer to jessie only |
| 22:00.26 | Fallenour1 | That is the full command jelly |
| 22:00.33 | glycol | babilen: really? |
| 22:00.39 | Fallenour1 | Reading package lists... Done |
| 22:00.40 | Fallenour1 | E: The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
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| 22:00.41 | glycol | oh i misread |
| 22:00.43 | Fallenour1 | full output |
| 22:01.04 | jelly | Fallenour1: that makes more sense |
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| 22:01.20 | jelly | and is quite a bit different from "command line option -t not found" |
| 22:01.23 | Fallenour1 | ideas? it worked just fine on my compute node |
| 22:01.24 | BAKALAKVA | HI |
| 22:01.40 | BAKALAKVA | WHEN IS DEBIAN 9 COMING OUT? TODAY??? THANKS! |
| 22:01.48 | jelly | BAKALAKVA: stop yelling |
| 22:02.01 | jelly | probably today, maybe tomorrow |
| 22:02.08 | Horachi | nothing in there referencing stable. just jessie. I guess I am fine then? |
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| 22:02.23 | jelly | Fallenour1: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 22:02.36 | Urchin[emacs] | relevant bash.org: http://bash.org/?835030 |
| 22:02.38 | cgt | Fallenour1: Did you put backports in your sources.list? |
| 22:02.50 | Fallenour1 | cgt: Yeap. |
| 22:03.04 | jelly | Fallenour1: did you run "apt-get update" after adding it? |
| 22:03.09 | BAKALAKVA | who knows when it will be today? i want to dl it asap |
| 22:03.19 | Fallenour1 | cgt: Yeap. |
| 22:03.19 | jelly | BAKALAKVA: when it's ready |
| 22:03.24 | madditronic | I' |
| 22:03.25 | BAKALAKVA | hi |
| 22:03.26 | Fallenour1 | jelly: I just noticed how fail I am |
| 22:03.29 | madditronic | I'm looking forward to seeing all the peers on bittorrent |
| 22:03.53 | BAKALAKVA | i will keep refreshing dl page ok? |
| 22:03.58 | jelly | Fallenour1: you wouldn't believe how often this happens |
| 22:03.59 | webuser5224 | So, no one knows how to verify those downloads? |
| 22:04.01 | webuser5224 | :( |
| 22:04.06 | Fallenour1 | jelly: I am learning though. I was able to read from the apt-cache that jessie-backports wasnt included |
| 22:04.53 | jelly | webuser5224: what downloads precisely? |
| 22:04.53 | bub_ | hehe Urchin[emacs], nice one |
| 22:05.12 | webuser5224 | https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:05.34 | webuser5224 | I just remember that I had additional files somewhere when I downloaded the stable installer a while ago |
| 22:05.41 | jelly | webuser5224: ok, and where did you click next? |
| 22:06.08 | Fallenour1 | and boom goes the debain |
| 22:06.23 | webuser5224 | Seems the CD ones have those files |
| 22:06.39 | webuser5224 | The netinstall ones do not - maybe I'm just expecting something that is not meant to be there |
| 22:06.46 | Fallenour1 | of my existance that is. kidding, worked like a charm jelly, onward to openstack. I swear imma make a distro of debian after all this and name it after you |
| 22:06.54 | jelly | webuser5224: typically the signed checksum files are in the same directory on http where the .iso download is |
| 22:07.06 | webuser5224 | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/stretch_di_rc5/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 22:07.09 | webuser5224 | I think here they are |
| 22:07.29 | webuser5224 | Ah, the other links are just direct links to the files |
| 22:07.33 | webuser5224 | Now I understand |
| 22:08.03 | jelly | I guess when you're dealing with devel images you're kind of supposed to know where stuff is |
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| 22:21.28 | johnjay | jelly: well i routinely track testing so maybe that's why I haven't realized the benefits of that |
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| 22:21.40 | GTAXL | Can I update my apt sources.list and upgrade to stretch yet? or what's the deal? |
| 22:22.54 | johnjay | GTAXL: what's the deal with this airline food amirite? |
| 22:23.34 | GTAXL | I just haven't seen any news article on debian's site listing what to do yet. And the bot on here appears to act like I gotta install a fresh image |
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| 22:23.56 | GTAXL | I assume I just replace the jessie with stretch at the end on each apt-source |
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| 22:28.33 | johnjay | hmm. installing a few debs is safer than adding a foreign repo to /etc/apt/sources.list right? |
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| 22:28.57 | GTAXL | how's it foreign if it's ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 22:29.14 | madditronic | ftp: foreign transfer protocol |
| 22:29.23 | |subz3r0| | omg. lol |
| 22:29.27 | johnjay | lol good one. i meant a non debian repo |
| 22:29.28 | GTAXL | smart.. |
| 22:29.46 | GTAXL | When I upgraded to jessie a couple years back it was via apt.. |
| 22:29.57 | GTAXL | I just had to update the source list |
| 22:30.40 | ryouma | will there likely be any changes to the installation documentation, the install iso, or the upgrade repos for stretch in the next few weeks due to the unwashed masses upgrading and installing stretch and discovering bugs or glitches or documentation ambiguities? |
| 22:31.26 | GTAXL | Something along the lines of dist-upgrade if I can remember |
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| 22:33.35 | Somelauw | Does ETA Debian Stretch in /topic need to be updated? |
| 22:34.06 | JPT | Probably not |
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| 22:34.19 | JPT | Technically, that date is still correct? |
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| 22:34.57 | ryouma | so there is time |
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| 22:35.55 | Somelauw | it's already 18th June here, but north america is probably still at 16:00 or something |
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| 22:36.19 | madditronic | 3:30 on the west coast of USA |
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| 22:36.37 | madditronic | err, 15:30 I guess |
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| 22:37.46 | Somelauw | then i was pretty close. of course i know the minutes should be the same everywhere |
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| 22:41.14 | silverhom | mhm ._. |
| 22:41.21 | sondr3_ | why does this keep happening on #debian? :P |
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| 22:41.23 | ewew | !ops mass spam |
| 22:41.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ewew complains about: mass spam |
| 22:41.26 | ripdog | any mods in here? |
| 22:41.29 | kupi | so many bots... |
| 22:41.33 | Canucktux_ | reee get of my channel |
| 22:41.33 | Nik05 | they are already banned |
| 22:41.44 | madditronic | huh. |
| 22:41.51 | kupi | sondr3_: because too many people know Debian |
| 22:41.58 | ryouma | 15:37 <Somelauw> then i was pretty close. of course i know the minutes should be the same everywhere -- just to be picky https://www.timeanddate.com/time/time-zones-interesting.html |
| 22:41.58 | mel00010 | he took the time to generate a long vanity onion though... |
| 22:42.04 | mel00010 | that takes work |
| 22:42.06 | mel00010 | just to spam |
| 22:42.08 | velix | Those guys will NOT be bundled with Debian 9 ;) |
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| 22:42.12 | mel00010 | lol |
| 22:42.20 | bedah | lol little botspam |
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| 22:42.38 | N3X15 | That wasn't too bad, I didn't even crash. |
| 22:42.42 | ChunkzZ | It's the 18th where Debian are located |
| 22:42.44 | dysfigured | "oh hey i was spammed on an irc channel to join an onion irc network, i should totally join that" said no one ever |
| 22:42.48 | Somelauw | what is a vanity onion? |
| 22:42.53 | ralpheeee | where are the lead developers from...i thought Germany ...but thats just wild speculation on my behalf |
| 22:42.58 | Somelauw | you seem impressed by that |
| 22:43.01 | johnjay | jelly: i'll give you an example. I just tried installing a deb file for my irc client which failed |
| 22:43.13 | mel00010 | you can brute force generating .onion domains to get one that spells out something you want |
| 22:43.18 | phogg | so spambot in here today |
| 22:43.22 | mel00010 | normally, they are totally random |
| 22:43.27 | Asoka | debian is a german project |
| 22:43.27 | johnjay | so instead of adding their repo to my sources.list, I juse used ldd to figure out what shared library was failing and then did an ln -s and dpkg --force-depends |
| 22:43.31 | leachim6 | well that was a lovely spam hilight |
| 22:43.50 | Plushwolf | Asoka: since when? |
| 22:43.56 | N3X15 | mel00010, well, they had 10 zombies, so it probably made each node try generating them |
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| 22:44.06 | ChunkzZ | https://micronews.debian.org |
| 22:44.25 | jim | johnjay, wow... hope it works out, but you may not have a debian packaging system anymore |
| 22:44.30 | mel00010 | N3X15: maybe. Long vanity strings take exponentially longer to generate though. |
| 22:44.31 | jim | up to you I guess |
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| 22:44.55 | leachim6 | don't break debian |
| 22:44.57 | leachim6 | plz |
| 22:45.01 | N3X15 | mel00010, again, just like bitcoin mining, they just slap on more nodes. *shrugs, goes back to coding* |
| 22:45.06 | ChunkzZ | It's the 18th lol so the topic needs updating |
| 22:45.18 | dax | timezones how do they work |
| 22:45.25 | jim | that';s tomorrow |
| 22:45.28 | leachim6 | dax: like magnets |
| 22:45.39 | Plushwolf | Yes, they only look at their loving timezone of USA .. USA == The whole world, you know? |
| 22:45.42 | leachim6 | I didn't realize stretch was so close to release, nice |
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| 22:45.51 | leachim6 | probably gonna stay on deb8 for another year |
| 22:45.51 | ChunkzZ | dax: it's the 18th where Debian is located |
| 22:45.58 | madditronic | Debian is everywhere |
| 22:45.59 | dax | ChunkzZ: debian isn't "located" anywhere |
| 22:46.03 | dax | it has developers world-wide |
| 22:46.13 | johnjay | jim: well it's not very pretty. but i was using it as an illustration of the complexity of managing a single debian install |
| 22:46.16 | leachim6 | what if I told you...opensource is *everywhere* |
| 22:46.24 | ChunkzZ | Time stamps on https://micronews.debian.orgsays otherwise dax :) |
| 22:46.26 | jim | Plushwolf, did the release announcement include a time and time zone? |
| 22:46.31 | johnjay | i have a working program but now apt-get might not update that package later. not sure |
| 22:46.47 | Plushwolf | jim: many users tole me that they only focus on the USA timezone last time |
| 22:46.50 | Plushwolf | *told |
| 22:46.59 | jim | exactly, so your package db might not be happy atm |
| 22:47.00 | dax | ChunkzZ: I'm sorry are you under the impression that that means anything |
| 22:47.34 | ryouma | will there be any difference (e.g. higher probability of a successful upgrade and booting) between upgrading now and upgrading in say 3w? |
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| 22:47.53 | Plushwolf | But anyway, I'm about to leave you: lack of security support (webkit gtk for example), and crappy decisions without explaining why |
| 22:48.30 | leachim6 | Plushwolf: http://i.giphy.com/Qp45SP1P3PbbO.gif |
| 22:48.32 | Plushwolf | It's just my opinion, don't get it personal please |
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| 22:49.01 | Plushwolf | leachim6: no gif for me |
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| 22:50.13 | leachim6 | k |
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| 22:51.26 | ryouma | Plushwolf: for stable? |
| 22:51.44 | ryouma | stable seems to get tons of updates, but it's not enough for you? |
| 22:52.20 | Plushwolf | ryouma: Are you updating webkit gtk? I have never seen any updates for it |
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| 22:52.41 | Plushwolf | And it's very known for having tons of security issues |
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| 22:53.16 | ChunkzZ | Why are you here Plushwolf ? |
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| 22:53.29 | Plushwolf | ChunkzZ: It's not forbidden to be here |
| 22:53.41 | madditronic | hey hey be friends |
| 22:53.48 | ChunkzZ | Just curious, that's all |
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| 22:54.01 | ryouma | Plushwolf: dunno, sounds like a backend to a browser taht is not firefox-esr or chromium? |
| 22:54.04 | random_numbers | Shame I'm not the kind to already own a botnet. I'd connect a few million clients. |
| 22:54.31 | Plushwolf | ChunkzZ: Debian isn't bad, for for me, personally, it is, it doesn't fit my needs, but I'm happy if others are happy about it. Let's not make my opinions and decisions for everyone. |
| 22:54.39 | Plushwolf | ryouma: yes |
| 22:54.44 | Plushwolf | *but for me |
| 22:55.06 | ChunkzZ | You're in a Debian channel though? |
| 22:55.12 | Plushwolf | And? |
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| 22:55.43 | ChunkzZ | Why if you're slagging it off? |
| 22:56.24 | Plushwolf | ChunkzZ: Do you ever read my personal concerns I've already told here? |
| 22:56.38 | ChunkzZ | Sure... |
| 22:57.11 | ryouma | i'm ok with suggestions for improvement being stated |
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| 22:57.43 | ChunkzZ | Me too, I was just curious. |
| 22:57.51 | Plushwolf | ryouma: Update webkit? :D |
| 22:58.08 | ChunkzZ | I'm only in channels I like that's why I asked. |
| 22:58.23 | ChunkzZ | :) |
| 22:58.28 | TomTomTosch | only uninportant issues in webkitgtk. https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/webkitgtk |
| 22:58.29 | Plushwolf | ChunkzZ: I also like this channel |
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| 22:59.18 | ralpheeee | wondering if i should grab the multi arch iso ....is it straight forward to update later down the line? |
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| 23:00.13 | Somelauw | Debian testing is not that unstable? |
| 23:00.14 | Nh3xus | dayum son |
| 23:00.37 | ryouma | others can answer better, but testing might have issues with transitions and security support |
| 23:00.40 | madditronic | What's going to happen when they run out of toy story characters? |
| 23:00.50 | jim | especially now, one day before release |
| 23:00.58 | Nik05 | madditronic make a new toy story film |
| 23:01.00 | jim | make another movie? |
| 23:01.12 | ryouma | (in my case, i am quite pleased with and grateful for debian except for: the complexity and bugginess of booting, lack of priority given to accessibility, the occasional bug that does not get fixed even if it is trivial (weather(1)), and the relative lack of attention to backports to keep common things fresh throughout the release cycle. i doubt any other distro meets my needs better. i'm sticking with debian.) |
| 23:01.22 | jim | start on monsters inc chars? |
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| 23:01.52 | ryouma | hehe great reason to make a movie |
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| 23:02.26 | Nik05 | There is a Toy Story 4 coming |
| 23:02.30 | Nik05 | in 2019 |
| 23:02.48 | jim | just in time for jessie+2 |
| 23:03.01 | ChunkzZ | :p |
| 23:03.04 | Nik05 | I still need to watch TS2 and 3... |
| 23:03.08 | madditronic | oh! very good |
| 23:03.14 | Nik05 | No idea who jessie is |
| 23:03.20 | Plushwol1 | Nik05: The cowboy girl |
| 23:03.24 | dvs | TS2 |
| 23:03.25 | Nik05 | or stretch |
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| 23:03.31 | KANGZZZ | stretch is the octopus |
| 23:03.35 | Somelauw | ryouma: i agree that i sometimes don't like trivial bugs not getting fixed in stable |
| 23:03.37 | jim | the accordion thing |
| 23:03.40 | dvs | Nik05, Stretch Armstrong |
| 23:03.50 | jim | or wait, the slinky thing |
| 23:03.52 | dvs | ??? |
| 23:03.55 | Nik05 | Like I said I should watch TS2 and TS3 :P |
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| 23:04.14 | KANGZZZ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters |
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| 23:06.01 | tw | accessibility is a ton of work =| Maybe it's easier in GTK+, but in win32/COM it can be a pain. |
| 23:06.08 | Somelauw | maybe that's why i may want to use testing again after stretch is released at the risk of no security support and transitions (that means config files breaking more often?) |
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| 23:09.05 | ryouma | Somelauw: it means everything breaking in principle |
| 23:09.06 | jim | Stretch is a toy rubber octopus with sticky suckers on her eight long arms and a glittery, purple body. |
| 23:09.21 | ryouma | Somelauw: libc etc. |
| 23:10.07 | Somelauw | uhm, breaking libc is probably not a very good idea |
| 23:10.21 | Somelauw | please don't |
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| 23:12.55 | Somelauw | i mean include newer stuff like firefox-release and newer version of libreoffice, eclipse etc, but don't break libc |
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| 23:13.51 | ryouma | well, that would be perfect for stable, using backports |
| 23:15.36 | KANGZZZ | try fedora |
| 23:15.49 | madditronic | m'distro |
| 23:15.50 | Somelauw | but backports isn't really complete and requests for backports to work around minor bugs are refused |
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| 23:16.19 | Somelauw | fedora doesn't include non-free drivers, which i unfortunately need |
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| 23:16.58 | ryouma | Somelauw: right, so that would need to change |
| 23:17.36 | KANGZZZ | why not Ubuntu LTS or Mint then? |
| 23:17.44 | likcoras | Just curious, what would be the best way to look up changes in individual applications between jessie and stretch? changelogs are in /usr/share/doc, but how could I easily look up which version used to be in in jessie? |
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| 23:18.37 | TomTomTosch | https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages has a search function or use /msg judd v <pkg> |
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| 23:19.04 | likcoras | Ah, there's no way to do it offline? |
| 23:19.09 | likcoras | Oh well, I guess that's fine. |
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| 23:21.26 | TomTomTosch | offline, no. if you mean locally on your machine you can use rmadison from devscripts. |
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| 23:24.01 | Plushwol1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.03 | Jacob843 | Wow |
| 23:24.03 | Nik05 | wow that was a lot |
| 23:24.04 | Introoter | jeez |
| 23:24.05 | Somelauw | i thought they were already banned |
| 23:24.06 | r00t | Holy shit |
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| 23:24.07 | mel00010 | Damn |
| 23:24.07 | mint | lol |
| 23:24.12 | TomTomTosch | likcoras: offline, no. if you mean locally on your machine you can use rmadison from devscripts. |
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| 23:24.46 | Nik05 | Somelauw looks like they have access to some more ips |
| 23:24.55 | velix | Nik05: botnet? |
| 23:25.06 | ghost43 | are these IPs even getting banned? |
| 23:25.15 | Dr_who[Work]_ | they do that on ausnet sometime |
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| 23:25.23 | grumble | ghost43: when you see 'Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))': Yes, they ae. |
| 23:25.33 | Cronus | ghost43 im personally submitting them to a dnsbl |
| 23:25.34 | ghost43 | oh ok |
| 23:25.34 | Plushwol1 | grumble: They are only temporarily banned |
| 23:25.46 | TomTomTosch | ##comment-on-spam is somewhere else. |
| 23:25.51 | grumble | Plushwol1: let me assure you we're taking the appropriate measures :) |
| 23:25.58 | likcoras | TomTomTosch: ah, alright. That's useful. |
| 23:26.03 | Somelauw | KANGZZZ: they are probably fine distros. I might try a Ubuntu 2017-4 sometime. I don't like some of their defaults. For example, that they use a graphical boot instead of a textual one, which feels to me like dumbing it down. |
| 23:26.27 | Plushwol1 | I already got some kills by Sygin ... by not using a pastebin lol |
| 23:26.32 | Plushwol1 | And got unbanned after some hours |
| 23:26.58 | ghost43 | this same type of spam happens all the time also on #tor (OFTC) and the bans are a lot more transparent in the log there, but nvm, not like it matters if they ARE getting banned |
| 23:27.08 | KANGZZZ | Somelauw, yeah depending on the machine, I use debian, fedora, mint, or ubuntu |
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| 23:27.34 | KANGZZZ | all 4 work fine. I find debian is a pain on my main desktop machines because old packages but on server it runs like a dream |
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| 23:28.03 | Nik05 | KANGZZZ you could run sid |
| 23:28.12 | Bock | Let me further assure you that grumble is taking appropriate measures in the grumpiest manner possible. |
| 23:28.18 | Plushwol1 | You better use testing instead of sid |
| 23:28.28 | KANGZZZ | I don't like testing/unstable |
| 23:28.44 | Nik05 | Plushwol1 no, testing lacks security support and is more unstable than sid with transitions |
| 23:28.45 | mel00010 | Nik05: Lol. One of them has telnet open. |
| 23:28.55 | N3X15 | Don't scan the bots |
| 23:28.59 | mel00010 | Why? |
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| 23:29.06 | N3X15 | Can be illegal |
| 23:29.21 | Plushwol1 | It would count is port scanning without permission |
| 23:29.24 | Plushwol1 | *as |
| 23:29.44 | mel00010 | How is Shodan legal then? |
| 23:30.07 | N3X15 | because it's a fictional computer system |
| 23:30.09 | Plushwol1 | The tools aren't illegal, it's only illegal if you scan hosts without the permission of the owner(s) |
| 23:30.15 | N3X15 | and ^ |
| 23:30.28 | yaymuffins | beside |
| 23:30.34 | grumble | actually the legality of scanning without permission heavily depends on your local laws |
| 23:30.44 | Plushwol1 | Yes |
| 23:30.44 | mel00010 | Not what I meant. I was referring this: https://www.shodan.io/ |
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| 23:30.51 | grumble | in some places it's perfectly fine to do so, but most ISPs will grumble at you |
| 23:30.57 | yaymuffins | the law isn't the same for everyone |
| 23:31.11 | mel00010 | Ok. |
| 23:31.18 | Plushwol1 | In my country it's illegal if I don't have a signed permission on a letter :D |
| 23:31.25 | madditronic | I have a liscense to kill -9 myself |
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| 23:31.43 | N3X15 | It's better to just say no instead of referring someone to their local laws |
| 23:31.50 | Plushwol1 | Yes |
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| 23:32.05 | Nik05 | Port scanning is like ringing someone's doorbell. It isnt entering without permission |
| 23:32.05 | N3X15 | Plus, retaliation begets retaliation |
| 23:32.14 | Plushwol1 | We're also nt allowed to decide what's allowed and what not, you better ask your lawyer/government/... instead of us |
| 23:32.40 | Plushwol1 | *not |
| 23:32.46 | Waxhead | Did I miss something or wasn't stretch supposed to be released yesterday? |
| 23:32.53 | N3X15 | Timezones |
| 23:32.54 | Plushwol1 | Waxhead: It was |
| 23:33.02 | Artemis3 | i wonder what will you do when running open source software becomes illegal in some places. |
| 23:33.14 | Plushwol1 | N3X15: Most countried already have 18th I guess |
| 23:33.21 | Plushwol1 | *countries |
| 23:33.21 | Nik05 | N3X15 without timezone information, lets use the standard timezone |
| 23:33.23 | Waxhead | Plushwol1: it is? wow.... gmt+1 here... 18th of june and no update on the website |
| 23:34.04 | ber532k | there's still a lot going on in #debian-iso right now |
| 23:34.04 | Plushwol1 | Next time the debian Team should give us a date with the timezone inclded, the best would be UTC+0 |
| 23:34.10 | Plushwol1 | UTC is the world wide standard |
| 23:34.32 | Artemis3 | Greenwich agrees |
| 23:34.32 | ber532k | *#debian-cd, sry |
| 23:34.33 | Waxhead | Plushwol1: alrighty , so I guess I just have to wait about two hours then |
| 23:34.36 | Nik05 | Americans only know american standards :P |
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| 23:34.42 | Plushwol1 | Nik05: lol |
| 23:35.17 | Plushwol1 | Waxhead: I think so |
| 23:35.24 | yaymuffins | Artemis3, well, one can choose to follow as law as stupid or not, but my one and only advice would be to don't say a thing x) |
| 23:35.29 | Somelauw | Nik05: what do you mean by transitions? Manual updating config files? |
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| 23:35.39 | Plushwol1 | 18.06.2017 01:35 here |
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| 23:36.29 | Plushwol1 | GMT+2 |
| 23:36.36 | kion42 | Congratulations to the Debian devs!!! thank you for your work |
| 23:36.59 | secris | shoot I forgot about the release party |
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| 23:37.18 | Plushwolf | free cake for everyone? |
| 23:37.28 | Plushwolf | Or is the cake still a lie? |
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| 23:39.19 | kion | I have been running Debian Stretch for some months, now that it is the Stable release, can I add the backports entries in my sources.list? |
| 23:39.33 | Plushwolf | There aren't any backports yet |
| 23:40.12 | kion | Plushwolf, But they will start now right? |
| 23:40.13 | Nik05 | kion just wait a few days, its not like there are any backports |
| 23:40.31 | kion | Nik05, yes, I was just wondering |
| 23:40.34 | Plushwolf | kion: I think so, it might be weeks |
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| 23:41.16 | Plushwolf | no 9.0 iso yet? |
| 23:41.16 | Plushwolf | :( |
| 23:41.21 | Somelauw | is this the time i should type apt-get update? |
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| 23:42.29 | kion | Somelauw, apt-get update does not upgrade your OS to the next release unless you have changed your sources.list, but I will let the more knowledgeable jump in |
| 23:42.30 | RattusRattus | Plushwolf: no not yet still building... |
| 23:42.35 | Plushwolf | sets herself on fire |
| 23:42.57 | KungFuChao | what version of gc++ does stretch have? |
| 23:43.08 | Lyberta | KungFuChao, 6.3.0 |
| 23:43.27 | RattusRattus | kion: Somelauw and good to wait for release process to finish before trying to do updates..... |
| 23:43.30 | Plushwolf | ,dpkg gcc |
| 23:43.32 | Plushwolf | !dpkg gcc |
| 23:43.33 | dpkg | The GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) is a compiler system supporting various programming languages. In order to change which version it should use, "export CC=gcc-$whatever", as /usr/bin symlinks (gcc, g++, et al) are not handled using Debian <alternatives>; see /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian. See also <gcc-doc>. https://gcc.gnu.org/ #gcc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:43.40 | Plushwolf | !dpkg gcc version |
| 23:43.41 | Plushwolf | !dpkg gcc versions |
| 23:43.43 | Plushwolf | ? |
| 23:44.01 | kion | RattusRattus, good thinking, I will |
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| 23:44.35 | Nik05 | ,v gcc |
| 23:44.36 | judd | Package: gcc on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; sid: 4:6.3.0-4; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; experimental: 4:7.1.0-0 |
| 23:44.42 | Somelauw | will the non-free iso's be released at the same time? |
| 23:44.44 | Plushwolf | Oh, just ,v |
| 23:44.44 | Plushwolf | :D |
| 23:44.59 | Plushwolf | ,v gogsio |
| 23:45.00 | judd | No package named 'gogsio' was found in amd64. |
| 23:45.04 | Plushwolf | ,v gitlab |
| 23:45.05 | judd | Package: gitlab on amd64 -- sid: 8.13.11+dfsg1-8; stretch: 8.13.11+dfsg1-8 |
| 23:45.06 | Somelauw | i'll try installing a fresh iso on a new computer tomorrow sometime |
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| 23:46.04 | Plushwolf | ,v gogs.io |
| 23:46.05 | judd | No package named 'gogs.io' was found in amd64. |
| 23:46.07 | Plushwolf | :( |
| 23:46.45 | Plushwolf | Nik05: What does the 4: mean at the gcc version number? |
| 23:46.53 | Somelauw | ,v qutebrowser |
| 23:46.54 | judd | No package named 'qutebrowser' was found in amd64. |
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| 23:47.19 | Nik05 | Plushwolf which package? |
| 23:47.28 | Plushwolf | Nik05: gcc for example (see above) |
| 23:47.38 | Plushwolf | 4:6.3.0-4 |
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| 23:48.37 | Nik05 | Plushwolf see 5.6.12 https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html |
| 23:48.51 | Plushwolf | Thank you |
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| 23:49.34 | Nik05 | If you mess something up with version numbering you can increase the epoch, looks really nice... :P |
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| 23:50.07 | Plushwolf | lol |
| 23:51.25 | KungFuChao | what about the version of the package that maintains the C++ code |
| 23:51.30 | KungFuChao | I forgot the name of it |
| 23:51.51 | KungFuChao | it was 2.16 in jessie |
| 23:51.51 | Lyberta | KungFuChao, gcc, g++ 6.3.0 |
| 23:52.00 | Nik05 | I have no idea how it works for the packages gcc. Because it's source is gcc-defaults which is at version 1.168 |
| 23:52.06 | sidetracking | gcc is the best piece of software EVER MADE!! |
| 23:52.09 | Plushwolf | ,v linux-image-amd64-xen |
| 23:52.10 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-amd64-xen' was found in amd64. |
| 23:52.13 | Plushwolf | ,v linux-image-xen |
| 23:52.14 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-xen' was found in amd64. |
| 23:52.29 | Plushwolf | ,v xen-hypervisor-amd64 |
| 23:52.30 | judd | No package named 'xen-hypervisor-amd64' was found in amd64. |
| 23:52.32 | Plushwolf | ,v xen-hypervisor |
| 23:52.34 | judd | No package named 'xen-hypervisor' was found in amd64. |
| 23:52.36 | Plushwolf | wut |
| 23:52.39 | KungFuChao | it's not gcc |
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| 23:52.56 | Nik05 | Plushwolf ,v needs the full name |
| 23:53.03 | KungFuChao | it's what C++ runs on |
| 23:53.12 | KungFuChao | I forgot the name |
| 23:53.23 | madditronic | hopes and dreams? |
| 23:53.25 | Plushwolf | Nik05: I know, I just forgot the package name :( |
| 23:53.40 | Nik05 | KungFuChao libstdc++ ? |
| 23:53.48 | Plushwolf | ,v xen-linux-system-amd64 |
| 23:53.50 | judd | Package: xen-linux-system-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.9+80~bpo8+1; sid: 4.9+80; stretch: 4.9+80 |
| 23:54.16 | Plushwolf | ,v xen-hypervisor |
| 23:54.17 | judd | No package named 'xen-hypervisor' was found in amd64. |
| 23:54.26 | Plushwolf | I just want to know the Xen version |
| 23:54.27 | Plushwolf | :( |
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| 23:54.46 | max_nl | Where is debian 9? |
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| 23:54.53 | Nik05 | the same spammers are now spamming #debian on OFTC -_- |
| 23:55.06 | Nik05 | max_nl Debian 9 is called Stretch |
| 23:55.08 | Plushwolf | ,v xen-hypervisor-amd64 |
| 23:55.09 | judd | No package named 'xen-hypervisor-amd64' was found in amd64. |
| 23:55.12 | Plushwolf | Grrr! |
| 23:55.38 | KungFuChao | it's the package needed to actually run C++ programs |
| 23:55.44 | KANGZZZ | max_nl, the ISO images are being tested but there is a release candidate 5: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:55.49 | KungFuChao | like Steam |
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| 23:56.11 | Plushwolf | ,v xen-utils |
| 23:56.12 | judd | No package named 'xen-utils' was found in amd64. |
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| 23:56.20 | Plushwolf | This can only be a joke .. |
| 23:56.36 | Nik05 | Plushwolf you can also talk to the bot directly |
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| 23:56.50 | Plushwolf | Nik05: Query? |
| 23:56.52 | Nik05 | yes |
| 23:57.04 | max_nl | Is RC5 comparable to an actual Debian install source? |
| 23:57.11 | Plushwolf | Oh, I found it now |
| 23:57.12 | Plushwolf | en 4.8 |
| 23:57.14 | Plushwolf | *Xen 4.8 |
| 23:57.39 | Nik05 | not 4.7? |
| 23:58.00 | Plushwolf | ,v xen-hypervisor-4.8-amd64 |
| 23:58.01 | judd | Package: xen-hypervisor-4.8-amd64 on amd64 -- sid: 4.8.1-1+deb9u1; stretch: 4.8.1-1+deb9u1 |
| 23:58.03 | Plushwolf | ,v xen-hypervisor-4.7-amd64 |
| 23:58.04 | judd | No package named 'xen-hypervisor-4.7-amd64' was found in amd64. |
| 23:58.34 | Plushwolf | 4.8 |
| 23:58.52 | nurupo | Plushwolf: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&searchon=names&keywords=xen |
| 23:59.02 | Plushwolf | nurupo: already found |
| 23:59.02 | Nik05 | Plushwolf you can also use packages.debian.org to search stretch |
| 23:59.10 | Plushwolf | Nik05: I did that now |
| 23:59.22 | nurupo | yeah, you don't have to spam the channel with bot commands |
| 23:59.30 | nurupo | Plushwolf: so use the website the next time |
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| 23:59.32 | Plushwolf | Yes |
| 23:59.34 | RattusRattus | https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=stretch&searchon=names&keywords=xen-hypervisor |
| 23:59.36 | Plushwolf | I'm sorry if I was spaming |
| 23:59.54 | Plushwolf | Won't happen again, I promise |
