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| 00:01.55 | jmcnaught | tanking: actually maybe the systemd.unit= boot parameter only works for .target units, not .service units. Still if you can boot into a rescue.target then you can temporarily enable it. Other things like removing quiet can help too |
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| 00:04.53 | solrize | larvallid, i think it can't tell, and TRIM is a consumer drive thing. enterprise drives are overprovisioned more so among other things they donn't need TRIM |
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| 00:06.02 | larvallid | solrize, so the controller will not automatically TRIM itself? |
| 00:06.26 | sypher | Enterprise drives utilize TRIM just as much as their consumer counterparts. Not TRIMming a drive very negatively affects performance. |
| 00:06.40 | solrize | TRIM has to be part of the file system, so it tells the controller where the free blocks are. the controller itself can't tell |
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| 00:07.00 | solrize | sypher hmm the seagate guy (enterprise sales) told me higher end drives don't trim |
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| 00:07.08 | solrize | maybe he's fos |
| 00:07.23 | sypher | Is "sales" in the title? |
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| 00:07.55 | solrize | he was with some high end drive company acquired by seagate when i was in contact with him, but yeah, he was a sales guy |
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| 00:08.30 | sypher | SSDs operate via a program-erase cycle. From the factory, the cells are already erased, ready to be programmed. After a cell is written to (programmed), they have to be erased before they can be written again. |
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| 00:08.49 | solrize | right and the controller does that in the background |
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| 00:08.54 | cef | solrize: most likely he means it doesn't "require" TRIM. |
| 00:09.01 | sypher | The majority of the time taken in the program/erase cycle is the erase portion. If a cell isn't erased beforehand, performance craters. |
| 00:09.21 | solrize | i don't see how trim helps with that, if there's enough spare sectors |
| 00:09.24 | rjsalts | assuming you have no empty blocks left |
| 00:09.26 | sypher | The controller can't handle it in the background if the OS doesn't tell the controller that those pages are no longer in use. |
| 00:09.32 | MrBar | Stretch is here? |
| 00:09.35 | rjsalts | aye |
| 00:09.44 | solrize | on an overprovisioned drive there are always empty blocks. yes MrBar stretch is up since yesterday |
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| 00:09.56 | MrBar | wow |
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| 00:10.03 | sypher | solrize: "always" until you write data to the device equalling its total (including overprovisioned) capacity. |
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| 00:10.06 | ozmage | hello hello |
| 00:10.19 | ryouma | crucial claims trim is not strictly necessary because of some algorithmic nonsense |
| 00:10.30 | ozmage | the mate debian 9 live its useless |
| 00:10.38 | ozmage | i cant install |
| 00:10.43 | ozmage | and i cant connect |
| 00:10.46 | ryouma | what do you do to take an already-used partition and turn it into overprovisioning? i am guessing the only thing youc an do is to reset the whole drive. |
| 00:10.48 | ozmage | no firmwares |
| 00:10.55 | ozmage | well |
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| 00:11.07 | solrize | if you mean you're writing faster than the drive can erase, then i still don't see how trim helps. but while erase has high latency it can be done in parallel |
| 00:11.08 | rjsalts | if the drive controller takes some measure to erase unused blocks in the background, it doesn't matter whether it's TRIM or some proprietary extension |
| 00:11.18 | ozmage | the installer is just borked cant load the stuff from the cd |
| 00:11.21 | MrBar | debian live always bad, afaik |
| 00:11.22 | cef | ryouma: yeah, but "not strictly necessary" doesn't mean "can't benefit at all". |
| 00:11.28 | ozmage | and dont install just abort |
| 00:11.44 | sypher | The drive controller needs to be FS-aware in order to do TRIM without the OS' involvement. |
| 00:11.46 | solrize | live installer isn't working? oh well |
| 00:11.58 | larvallid | does debian 9 live have UEFI support now? |
| 00:12.07 | ozmage | whereis is the netinstaller with the firmwares ? |
| 00:12.12 | ozmage | yes uefi works |
| 00:12.14 | sypher | ryouma: You don't "turn" anything into overprovisioning. The overprovisioned capacity isn't exposed to you. It's handled transparently by the controller. |
| 00:12.16 | ryouma | cef: sure but in the case of my drive, i don't feel like taking the risk of upgrading the firmware atm, and it is a bit of relief toknow that it is not too bad for disk life, if so |
| 00:12.25 | ozmage | whereis is the netinstaller with the firmwares ? for wifi ? |
| 00:12.41 | missmbob | !firmware iso |
| 00:12.42 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
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| 00:12.52 | cef | solrize: TRIM erases all these blocks in the background. The OS tells the controller they're free, they get queued for erase. then you've got a "buffer" of known free blocks ready to use. |
| 00:12.54 | larvallid | and in my case, i will be using disk encryption so the controller really wouldn't know |
| 00:12.57 | solrize | i think some drives let you set overprovisioning by lowering the usable capacity |
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| 00:13.07 | ozmage | kk |
| 00:13.08 | ryouma | sypher: i was referring to the practice, instead of trimming, of only using some of the drive, so taht the drive, which does know that the partition is not used, because you never wrote, can use that for overprovisioning. this is an existing practice. |
| 00:13.09 | sypher | solrize: Haven't seen a single one that behaves that way. |
| 00:13.10 | ozmage | cool |
| 00:13.27 | solrize | there a bunch of anandtech reviews where they benchmark the drives at different settings |
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| 00:13.55 | sypher | ryouma: I'd love to know -anyone- that does that. Sounds stupid to me. If I buy a 512GB drive, it's because I want 512GB usable storage. |
| 00:14.04 | quoth | n |
| 00:14.07 | cef | solrize: disk writes aren't usually 100% of your time, so the erased blocks have time to build up.. if you're disk bound anyway, you probably need to fix that. :P |
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| 00:14.39 | solrize | ryouma, oh you mean using user-visible partitions. nah overprovisioned drives don't do that. you buy a drive that says 500gb on the box but it really has 800gb or whatever. so there's always 300gb of space that you're not using, and the drive can background erase and stuff using that. no trim. |
| 00:14.41 | sypher | This sounds like a whole lot of misunderstanding what TRIM does and how it works. Have fun. |
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| 00:14.46 | ryouma | sypher: some do, when they encrypt, because of the (imo unnecessary) risk taht trim poses for block level encryption. personally i don;'t care as it does not seem a huge risk. |
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| 00:14.57 | cef | solrize: I know the intel drives (like 2nd gen SSD's) allowed that through firmware settings, but it's not at all common if at all supported anymore. |
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| 00:18.58 | dax | ozmage: desktop-base |
| 00:18.59 | ld | Debian Slinky Dog release when??? |
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| 00:19.26 | ozmage | Slinky Dog? |
| 00:19.29 | dax | ld: 1999 |
| 00:19.42 | cef | solrize: it gained a bit of publicity when intel managed to use the same drive firmware on a consumer model SSD as was used on an enterprise one, and people found they could use the same tools to adjust it.. funnily enough in about 1-2 months a new drive firmware was released for those drives and the "support" went away. |
| 00:19.56 | ld | dax: oh it already happened, rats |
| 00:20.39 | solrize | haha |
| 00:23.24 | ld | wow all the good ones are taken |
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| 01:00.30 | noobish | So, it was super awesome that power failed pretty much right after I accepted the apt-listchanges prompt on dist-upgrade to stretch. Now apt-get install -f and dpkg -configure -a both list a bunch of broken held packages. I know there's no transaction rollback, but I can't even attempt to undo the damage manually because no single apt command will proceed. How can I proceed with repairs? |
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| 01:01.16 | martman | is there a configuration management system(for spinning up VMs and stuff) thats preferred or more popular by debian people? |
| 01:01.34 | noobish | actually it was awesomer than that. Power didn't fail, only the power coming from my battery backup, specifically for this computer! |
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| 01:08.12 | noobish | I'm reading that I could manually remove problem packages from /var/lib/dpkg/status and reinstall. I'll try that. |
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| 01:18.13 | noobish | Seems to be working. Now upgrade is proceeding. |
| 01:21.09 | deego | Anyone fighting random kernel panics with the new debian? I finally gave up and moved back to 3.16. |
| 01:22.10 | deego | Here's the story: I don't use swap. /etc/initramfs-tools/config.d/resume pointed to a non-existing swap partition. I assumed that's causing the panics, so I removed that file, recompiled the kernel, and added noresume as a kernel option. Yet, I get random panics about once in every 2 times with 4.9 |
| 01:22.28 | deego | s/recompiled kernel/updated initramfs |
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| 01:23.17 | ryouma | isn't resume just for laptops and such? |
| 01:23.38 | ryouma | did your change improve or stay same? |
| 01:23.38 | deego | i'd guess so, yea |
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| 01:24.05 | deego | well, it doesn't complain about waiting for missing partition now. but it still panics randomly |
| 01:24.27 | ryouma | i hate debugging kernel or booting issues |
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| 01:25.56 | MrBar | deego, new installation or upgrade from 8? |
| 01:26.21 | metrix | upgrading is hanging setting up openvswitch-switch - what steps would I go through to troubleshot |
| 01:26.23 | metrix | shoot |
| 01:27.07 | deego | MrBar: upgrade from 8 |
| 01:27.14 | deego | (which is why i'm back to 3.16 for booting) |
| 01:27.20 | deego | but using stretch otherwise |
| 01:27.32 | MrBar | upgrading is pain |
| 01:28.02 | deego | In the past, I always waited 6 months before upgrading to a new stable release. I should have done that :) |
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| 01:28.25 | MrBar | good idea maybe |
| 01:28.49 | MrBar | i newer upgrade between releases |
| 01:29.07 | deego | same |
| 01:29.15 | MrBar | just prepare for formating hard drivers :D |
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| 01:47.07 | Agafnd | hey, I want to install stretch from a usb stick onto a laptop that needs nonfree wifi firmware |
| 01:47.17 | Agafnd | is this the iso i should use? https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.0.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 01:50.28 | larvallid | jmcnaught, i read up on TRIM. i understand that windows uses on-the-fly trim but it causes lower performance. on linux, trim is competely disabled by default. i may enable either on-the-fly or scheduled trimming. scheduled trim is recommended. using trim will reduce the effectiveness of full disk encryption. is all of this correct? |
| 01:50.36 | larvallid | sypher, see above |
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| 01:52.30 | larvallid | Agafnd, is your wifi adapter realtek RTL8821AE? i have that adapter and it requires a workaround (not using cd with nonfree firmware) |
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| 01:53.14 | Agafnd | larvallid: no, it's an intel |
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| 01:53.37 | wallbroken | is possible to install networkmanager during netinstall? |
| 01:53.58 | larvallid | Agafnd, you have checked that your intel adapter requires nonfree? most people recommend intel or atheros because of their drivers being built into the kernel |
| 01:54.08 | larvallid | have to go now |
| 01:54.32 | Agafnd | larvallid: yes, it needs firmware-iwlwifi |
| 01:55.05 | Agafnd | at least it does with jessie |
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| 01:56.41 | deego | <Eduard_Munteanu> Does /etc/fstab point to that same non-existing UUID for swap? <<=== sorry for the late reply. It doesn't point to any swap entry, no |
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| 02:01.42 | jmanfatty | (just upgraded from jessie) -> "stretch" and "stable" essentially mean the same thing now in sources.list files, right? |
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| 02:26.43 | ryouma | jmanfatty: stable will upgrade to buster |
| 02:27.02 | ryouma | jmanfatty: but yes stable should point to stretch now |
| 02:27.06 | sidetracking | i am stretchy |
| 02:27.24 | deego | why does my apt-show-versions show two lines for some packages, such as: debtags:all/stretch 2.1.2 uptodate AND debtags:amd64 not installed |
| 02:27.24 | deego | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.27 | dax | now, yes. and then in two years you'll get a fun surprise! |
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| 02:29.43 | _root_ | how could I change the debian sshd config file to allow ssh to my server with old method user+pass |
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| 02:30.40 | deego | _root_: PasswordAuthentication yes ? |
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| 02:32.27 | _root_ | deego, IS that all or any other modifications are nedded for the job. Right now It uses PAM and public key or something. |
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| 02:34.39 | simbalion | is there a package that includes cdemu? |
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| 02:38.46 | Agafnd | if I want to cp an .iso to a flash drive do I need to format it first |
| 02:38.48 | Agafnd | ? |
| 02:40.30 | AvatarA | for something like "cp image.iso /dev/sdb", no |
| 02:40.38 | Agafnd | okay |
| 02:40.59 | Agafnd | even if it already has something on it? |
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| 02:41.58 | AvatarA | it doesn't matter |
| 02:42.10 | Agafnd | cool |
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| 02:58.41 | maturana | Installed Debian 9 with GNOME and the mouse cursor does not appear in the login screen. I can move an click buttons, but the cursor is invisible. |
| 02:59.27 | maturana | Many problems with this installation. At some point, the interface freezes and sometimes the interface goes upside-down. |
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| 03:00.40 | maturana | Do you know what login manager I should install for MATE Desktop. I'm trying that one instead of GNOME to see if it works better. |
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| 03:00.54 | AlexLikeRock | maturana, change to " TTY 1" |
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| 03:01.02 | AlexLikeRock | Ctrl + ALT + F1 |
| 03:01.10 | AlexLikeRock | logging, as root |
| 03:01.19 | maturana | AlexLikeRock: I did |
| 03:01.20 | AlexLikeRock | user : root |
| 03:01.24 | maturana | Done |
| 03:01.24 | AlexLikeRock | pass: *** |
| 03:01.26 | AlexLikeRock | ok |
| 03:01.27 | maturana | Done |
| 03:01.33 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.38 | AlexLikeRock | ... |
| 03:01.46 | AlexLikeRock | aptitude install mate-desktop |
| 03:01.49 | maturana | Ok. Why not apt update |
| 03:02.06 | maturana | AlexLikeRock: I already installed mate |
| 03:02.15 | AlexLikeRock | on |
| 03:02.22 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.29 | AlexLikeRock | remplace GDM3 |
| 03:02.38 | AlexLikeRock | whit ligthdm |
| 03:02.44 | AlexLikeRock | or slim |
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| 03:03.01 | AlexLikeRock | aptitude install ligthdm |
| 03:03.08 | AlexLikeRock | "select ligthdm " |
| 03:03.09 | maturana | Ok, doing that right now (slim is not internationalized... no good) |
| 03:03.11 | AlexLikeRock | and reboot |
| 03:03.21 | maturana | AlexLikeRock: I'll do that. |
| 03:03.24 | maturana | Thanks |
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| 03:05.49 | NoodlesNZ | I'm having some trouble completing the apt upgrade of openssh-server on stretch, it keeps on failing with "ssh.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=255/n/a". Can anyone help me? |
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| 03:08.28 | rjsalts | NoodlesNZ: what does sshd -D say? |
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| 03:08.53 | rjsalts | NoodlesNZ: sshd -d even |
| 03:09.28 | NoodlesNZ | sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path |
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| 03:10.39 | rjsalts | NoodlesNZ: so /usr/sbin/sshd -d |
| 03:10.41 | NoodlesNZ | with absolute path it splits out debug info |
| 03:11.03 | NoodlesNZ | nothing overly useful, just keys and that it can't bind to address (as it's already in use) |
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| 03:11.11 | rjsalts | NoodlesNZ: and you're able to connect? |
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| 03:13.48 | deego | _root_: i think that's all, but idk. try it. don't forget to service ssh restart |
| 03:14.27 | NoodlesNZ | yup, if I do /usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222 then I can connect to that sshd |
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| 03:15.57 | rjsalts | NoodlesNZ: so if you try systemctl start ssh.service, it still fails? |
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| 03:16.24 | rjsalts | NoodlesNZ: and if so, does systemctl -l status ssh.service shed any light on the situation? |
| 03:16.38 | NoodlesNZ | correct, although I'm connected via ssh at the moment, so it's possible that it's conflicting, but I don't see any messages about can't bind to address |
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| 03:17.40 | rjsalts | NoodlesNZ: the process you're using to connect shouldn't prevent the process listening on port 22 from being restarted |
| 03:17.44 | NoodlesNZ | systemctl just says "ssh.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=255/n/a", "Failed to start OpenBSD Secure Shell server", "ssh.service: Unit entered failed state." |
| 03:18.14 | rjsalts | NoodlesNZ: for systemctl status -l ssh.service? |
| 03:18.23 | NoodlesNZ | yup |
| 03:18.46 | NoodlesNZ | I can paste the whole output if you'd like, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of info |
| 03:19.23 | rjsalts | sure, paste away |
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| 03:20.06 | NoodlesNZ | https://gist.github.com/NoodlesNZ/fe37e6064d9d60e5993a737fc73c996c |
| 03:20.14 | jmcnaught | have you run something like "netstat -tulpn | grep \:22" to see which process is using port 22? |
| 03:20.54 | rjsalts | NoodlesNZ: do you have anything bizarre in /etc/default/ssh? |
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| 03:21.13 | NoodlesNZ | nothing |
| 03:21.22 | NoodlesNZ | just an empty SSHD_OPTS= |
| 03:21.55 | rjsalts | and there are no processes listening on port 22 as jmcnaught was asking? |
| 03:22.06 | NoodlesNZ | just the one I'm already connected to |
| 03:22.15 | NoodlesNZ | pid 10942/sshd |
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| 03:24.47 | jmcnaught | but the ssh.service is in a failed state? what does that process fall under in systemd-cgls? it's strange that systemd would not be aware of this sshd process, unless it's one that you started manually… |
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| 03:26.34 | NoodlesNZ | I just created another instance and connected, killed the original one and systemd could restart it, but now apt complains: APT had planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back (0 vs 4). Affected packages: openssh-server:amd64 |
| 03:27.36 | jmcnaught | "created another instance" of what, and how? i can't tell if you're doing really strange stuff or not |
| 03:27.46 | NoodlesNZ | nm, I managed to do a dpkg purge and apt reinstall |
| 03:27.51 | NoodlesNZ | seem to resolve it |
| 03:28.10 | jmcnaught | hurray! |
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| 03:31.46 | NoodlesNZ | thanks for your help everyone |
| 03:31.53 | NoodlesNZ | finally updated to stretch :) |
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| 03:39.25 | donofrio | Happy day for Debian9! |
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| 03:48.47 | wallbroken | is possible to install networkmanager during netinstall? |
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| 03:50.32 | jmcnaught | it would get installed if you select the gnome or kde (and probably others) desktop tasks |
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| 04:28.17 | azizLIGHT | what is debian 9 called |
| 04:28.41 | Digz | stretch |
| 04:28.56 | Digz | but... you could have read that in the topic. ;) |
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| 04:38.27 | azizLIGHT | oh whoops |
| 04:38.47 | fnljk | uh oh ! ? |
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| 04:41.40 | glick | pardon, why the hell is debian stretch using eclipse 3.8...from 2012? |
| 04:41.46 | glick | when 4.6 is out |
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| 04:43.24 | glick | anyone? |
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| 04:45.46 | glick | wtf really debian? |
| 04:45.52 | glick | 3.8.1? |
| 04:45.56 | glick | from 2012? |
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| 04:49.02 | glick | i wonder what other packages are over 5 years out of date on just released Stretch |
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| 04:52.35 | Digz | glick, debian has never been about newest, it has always been about most stable. Maybe 4.x doesn't pass the debian stench test.... |
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| 04:53.09 | glick | Digz: really? 5 years?! |
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| 04:53.44 | glick | at someone point it boarderlines on tarded |
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| 04:54.21 | Digz | glick I don't think there is much standing in the way of you just installing a newer version, is there? |
| 04:55.11 | glick | Digz: no but whats the point of apt if i have to manually install packages if i want versions newer than 10 years |
| 04:55.43 | Digz | glick, thats when you pick a distribution who is more in line with current packages. Debian is not that distro. |
| 04:56.12 | glick | such as? |
| 04:56.35 | BenNZ | glick: debian does take stable too far sometimes , but thats why i dont use stable , or at the very least use backports |
| 04:56.59 | likcoras | I upgraded to stretch, now xbacklight errors out with the message "No outputs have backlight property". setting the backlight through "/sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/backlight" works just fine. |
| 04:57.02 | Digz | mint, manjaro, fedora, there are about 400 distros these days.... |
| 04:57.29 | BenNZ | glick: backports uses version 4.9+80 |
| 04:58.59 | glick | BenNZ: what do you use sid? |
| 04:59.13 | BenNZ | glick: yes |
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| 04:59.39 | glick | hmm. but sid doesnt get security updates |
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| 05:00.16 | BenNZ | glick: it gets them after stable , just doesnt use a seperate repo |
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| 05:00.32 | likcoras | Last time backlight broke for me when I was trying stretch out, I think I fixed it by adding a Device section in xorg config, and setting driver to "intel", but did not work this time. Any help? |
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| 05:01.48 | OtakuSenpai | ,v iptables-persistant |
| 05:01.49 | judd | No package named 'iptables-persistant' was found in amd64. |
| 05:01.56 | OtakuSenpai | ,v iptables |
| 05:01.57 | judd | Package: iptables on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.14-3.1; jessie: 1.4.21-2+b1; buster: 1.6.0+snapshot20161117-6; stretch: 1.6.0+snapshot20161117-6; sid: 1.6.0+snapshot20161117-6; experimental: 1.6.1-1~exp1 |
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| 05:02.39 | OtakuSenpai | isnt there an iptables-persistant package on stretch? |
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| 05:02.54 | OtakuSenpai | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iptables-persistent |
| 05:02.57 | likcoras | ,v iptables-persistent |
| 05:02.59 | judd | Package: iptables-persistent on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.5.7+deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.3+deb8u1; buster: 1.0.4+nmu2; stretch: 1.0.4+nmu2; sid: 1.0.4+nmu2 |
| 05:03.00 | likcoras | typo. |
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| 05:03.10 | glick | backports can mess up your install though |
| 05:03.16 | glick | and can make upgrading break |
| 05:03.17 | glick | right? |
| 05:03.24 | OtakuSenpai | yeah |
| 05:03.25 | brolin_empey | likcoras: Use an emissive display instead of a backlit display? ;-) |
| 05:03.39 | likcoras | brolin_empey: Uh, what does that mean? |
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| 05:05.00 | glick | how unstable is sid? |
| 05:05.13 | glick | is it runnable on a laptop for day to day stuff? |
| 05:05.21 | glick | i get running stable on a server |
| 05:05.34 | glick | but for a productivity laptop its a bit too much |
| 05:05.48 | BenNZ | glick: if you use apt-pinning its relatively safe |
| 05:05.50 | cheapie | I haven't had any major issues running it on my main box. YMMV. |
| 05:06.13 | likcoras | Eh, I've been running jessie on my main laptop for a while, didn't have any major issues with it. |
| 05:06.16 | glick | whats apt-pinning? |
| 05:06.32 | BenNZ | glick: havent had too many troubles over the years of running sid , a buggy nvidia driver here or there , grub2 was my last major issue |
| 05:06.45 | likcoras | !apt-pinning |
| 05:06.45 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at https://web.archive.org/web/20121017070250/http://carlo17.home.xs4all.nl/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 05:06.46 | cheapie | Just remember, if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces :) |
| 05:06.56 | BenNZ | glick: https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 05:07.46 | glick | what othe pieces of software is horribly out of date on debian? |
| 05:09.21 | one_over | systemd |
| 05:09.51 | Arcademan | I have one quick question: does anyone know if I can load the old black and transparent theme from 3.14 to 3.22 |
| 05:10.04 | brolin_empey | likcoras: It was a joke. I guess you are using a liquid crystal display (LCD). An LCD uses a backlight. The white light from the backlight passes through a polarising filter to produce the light you see from the display. An emissive display, such as a CRT or LED display, directly emits the light seen by the user instead of relying on a backlight. If you were using an emissive display, you could not have a problem with a backlight because you would not |
| 05:10.04 | brolin_empey | have a backlight. |
| 05:10.43 | likcoras | Oh, I see. |
| 05:11.22 | BenNZ | Arcademan: i would doubt it |
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| 05:12.55 | Arcademan | I was looking at the user themes gnome extension may just have to look |
| 05:13.22 | BenNZ | Arcademan: i would think that you would need something greater then 3.20 |
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| 05:29.35 | Arcademan | OK BenNZ I may look later: I did like the old theme but I may give this a go possibly worst case I can find a theme |
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| 05:30.47 | glick | how can i see what version of a package is in Buster? |
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| 05:33.10 | Arcademan | glick, try: https://packages.debian.org/sid/ |
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| 05:34.40 | one_over | Windows theme |
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| 05:36.15 | glick | in sid eclipse is still at 3.8!?! |
| 05:36.22 | glick | what the hell? |
| 05:36.46 | glick | did they abandon eclipse in 2012? |
| 05:37.52 | uxfi | hello |
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| 05:40.44 | Arcademan | I would have to say so 2016-10-31 |
| 05:40.54 | Arcademan | https://packages.qa.debian.org/e/eclipse.html |
| 05:42.11 | Arcademan | !ask |
| 05:42.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 05:51.14 | glick | whats the reason debian stopped updating eclipse? |
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| 05:54.47 | Arcademan | looks like rank is way down from what I can see 6321 |
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| 05:55.32 | Arcademan | thinking you may look at trying to contact the maintainer for updates in why |
| 05:55.33 | glick | if i uninstall the installed version of eclipse the system says there are packages i no longer need. |
| 05:55.38 | glick | that i should uninstall them |
| 05:56.01 | glick | but if i do uninstall them and install the newest version of eclipse manually features wont work i dont think... |
| 05:56.05 | glick | likd gdb |
| 05:56.09 | glick | like gdb |
| 05:56.23 | glick | should i uninstall the packages and then install them again? |
| 05:56.25 | Arcademan | you can if they belong to eclipse when installed see no problem |
| 05:57.09 | glick | so i shold uninstall them and install things like gdb seperately and manually? |
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| 05:57.55 | ofg|brtr | hello |
| 05:58.31 | ofg|brtr | I have a debian in VirtualBOX and set the network to Bridged Adapter. |
| 05:58.54 | Arcademan | yeah you should be able to run apt-get autoremove and install gdb just fine after |
| 06:00.51 | Arcademan | !ask ofg|brtr |
| 06:00.59 | Arcademan | !ask |
| 06:00.59 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 06:02.19 | ofg|brtr | I can ssh that VirtualOS from my Host system but ping return destination net prohibited |
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| 06:07.28 | jim | so people can talk about stretch here? how much longer, about jessie? |
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| 06:09.23 | Arcademan | ofg|brtr, not sure what the issue is might be if you wait a bit someone might chime in |
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| 06:12.20 | iuza_ | midori[1689]: segfault at 480 ip b57e8893 sp bfeef6a0 error 4 in libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0.22.17[b4e5e000+1ca2000] |
| 06:12.57 | iuza_ | in private mode it works ok |
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| 06:13.57 | iuza_ | 4.9.0-3-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2 (2017-06-12) i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 06:22.07 | iuza_ | no one interested in midori,i guess |
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| 06:24.52 | ERROH | How can I install package from a specific origin that shares release with default packages? |
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| 06:25.15 | shtrb | -t=origin |
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| 06:26.32 | ERROH | But origin is not release. And -t want's release. |
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| 06:32.33 | HoloIRCUser1 | I was trying Stretch Xfce yesterday on my laptop, but the touchpad settings were unavailable im the mouse areas. Any idea how I can enable it? Touchpad is from Synaptics... |
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| 06:42.43 | colttt | Good Morning.. so there is no kde-telepathy available in stretch, is there a good alternative in KDE? |
| 06:44.52 | themill | colttt: kopete seems to be about all |
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| 06:47.38 | Aebian | I tried to stop mysql but thats not stoping (using sudo service mysql stop) In order of that I think thats why mariadb is not updating and blocking my apt-get... Anybody can help? Thats the log of dpkg: https://gist.github.com/Aebian/b991c370b06fbfa4469d1720537a8641 |
| 06:48.32 | Aebian | I would just kill it via ps id |
| 06:48.58 | colttt | themill: ok thank, but i thougt that kde-telepathy the new standard chat thing is of KDE |
| 06:50.16 | themill | colttt: yeah, so did I up until I found that it seemed to be abandoned too |
| 06:50.24 | shtrb | Does anyone else with systemd 232-25 got errors related to XDG_RUNTIME_DIR (I do see /run/user/$uid mounts ) ? |
| 06:50.30 | themill | it was completely non-functional in stretch so got removed |
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| 06:55.50 | jelly | Aebian: how old is the running mysqld process? |
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| 06:58.31 | colttt | themill: lol.. so back to the good old things.. ;) |
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| 06:59.30 | monoxane | woo time to upgrade to stretch |
| 06:59.31 | alainbrest | bonjour |
| 06:59.37 | monoxane | breaks everything |
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| 07:00.09 | shtrb | alainbrest , good morning |
| 07:00.32 | alainbrest | thanks shtrb |
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| 07:01.11 | iodev | hello :-) |
| 07:01.37 | alainbrest | qqun peut il me dire comment installer mon imprimante hp dans strecth ? |
| 07:01.45 | jelly | !fr |
| 07:01.46 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr. |
| 07:01.55 | themill | colttt: yeah. was underwhelmed by that |
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| 07:02.41 | shtrb | alainbrest , use the standard installer netinstall |
| 07:03.04 | jelly | something something hp printer stretch? alainbrest, start by installing "hplip" package I guess |
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| 07:03.59 | alainbrest | i think so , but by an other manner ? (cups for i.e.) ? |
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| 07:04.28 | Aebian | jelly: may |
| 07:04.28 | jelly | hplip works with cups. |
| 07:04.32 | Aebian | jelly: may 28 |
| 07:04.38 | Aebian | but I killed it |
| 07:05.00 | Aebian | killing with the psd id worked |
| 07:05.10 | jelly | Aebian: yeah, that's usually the way around that, and it's been happening for years and a number of releases |
| 07:05.16 | alainbrest | oh yes , i think hplip works with cups . thanks |
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| 07:06.17 | jelly | Aebian: you can "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt-get -f install" after that |
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| 07:06.42 | Aebian | hu? I just redid the dist upgrade and got this: W: APT had planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back (6 vs 10). Affected packages: mariadb-server-10.1:amd64 |
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| 07:08.04 | Aebian | but it works now, thanks jelly |
| 07:08.10 | jelly | shouldn't matter _if_ that package and mariadb-server-core-10.1 are installed properly now |
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| 07:08.36 | Aebian | yeah not sure if I can remove the mysql package now safely |
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| 07:09.34 | Aebian | since so far what I got from the mariadb-installer he just symlinked to the new mariadb processes |
| 07:09.42 | Aebian | lets see |
| 07:10.13 | jelly | server packages have probably been removed already |
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| 07:10.49 | jelly | metapackages like mysql-server and default-mysql-server should be present, and that's okay |
| 07:11.17 | Aebian | hmm there is /usr/bin/mysql and /usr/bin/mariadb so |
| 07:11.18 | Aebian | ok |
| 07:11.20 | jelly | actually mysql-server can be removed in stretch |
| 07:11.45 | jelly | Aebian: what does "readlink -f /usr/bin/mysql" say? |
| 07:12.10 | jelly | or dpkg -S /usr/bin/mysql |
| 07:12.11 | Aebian | /usr/bin/mysql |
| 07:12.36 | Aebian | the dpkg one says: mariadb-client-core-10.1: /usr/bin/mysql |
| 07:12.45 | jelly | ah, not a symlink and not handled in alternatives |
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| 07:13.58 | Aebian | jelly: if I do the same with mariadb its: mariadb-client-core-10.1: /usr/bin/mariadb |
| 07:14.03 | Aebian | soo almost identical |
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| 07:14.12 | Aebian | except the path |
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| 07:14.47 | jelly | both are part of same mariadb client package |
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| 07:15.13 | Aebian | ok then I leave it as is |
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| 07:27.58 | Aebian | hmm my system is on debian 9.0 now but it hasn't been restarted since two months. the upgrade guide alltough states that the system will be restarted do to kernel changes or so. Should I restart manually or leave it as is? (never touch a running system alike) |
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| 07:36.53 | vadimkolchev | hi guys. I used to think that apt -f install allows to install missing dependencies after manual package installation and it is like this on my home machine. On my work machine, on the contrary, it proposes to delete manually install package rather that install missing dependencies. Why is it so? |
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| 07:41.53 | jelly | vadimkolchev: usually it's because it can't satisfy dependencies, and it tries to keep apt state consistent the only way it can |
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| 07:42.37 | vadimkolchev | jelly, that's strange, as on another machine it can satisfy them |
| 07:42.41 | RamPage | vadimkolchev : group policies (that's what it's called on windows) .. pereferences set to ideosincracies of your system administrator |
| 07:42.53 | jelly | it's not strange at all |
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| 07:43.19 | one_over | manually installing it usually the only way to fix it |
| 07:43.20 | jelly | sometimes you'll get one result, sometimes the other |
| 07:43.26 | vadimkolchev | jelly, why? same config, same repos, same actions, different results? |
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| 07:43.48 | jelly | vadimkolchev: repo contents may have changed in the meantime |
| 07:44.05 | vadimkolchev | jelly, well, maybe |
| 07:44.50 | jelly | Aebian: if you've upgraded the kernel package, restart manually |
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| 07:46.25 | one_over | it can mess up your drivers |
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| 07:47.07 | Aebian | jelly: well the dist upgrade removed the old one so I assume its done, I'll just restart and see |
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| 07:53.05 | RebelCoder | Guys, is there a way to start Debian installer from the terminal ? |
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| 07:53.57 | vadimkolchev | jelly, yes,seems like the case and it is sad. Nothing in repos provides libssl1.0.0 anymore |
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| 07:54.52 | one_over | sudo debian-installer-launcher --text |
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| 07:54.55 | jelly | vadimkolchev: not in stretch. You'd have to put back jessie repos in if you needed it. |
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| 08:16.19 | deb_deba | hello |
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| 08:17.12 | deb_deba | is there any way I can install debian alongside windows on an old laptop with both usb and cd not working? |
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| 08:18.42 | jelly | deb_deba: get the disk out, connect it to a machine that has better boot options, and install there |
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| 08:18.49 | shtrb | use pxe |
| 08:19.26 | Aebian | hey after restarting my stretch installation has problems with dns resolve. I tried to google but I'm not sure whats the cause. Can someone guide me what I can do? |
| 08:19.56 | jelly | deb_deba: make backups of said windows before shrinking partitions or installing anything else |
| 08:19.58 | deb_deba | jelly: its an old small ide, have no idea how to do that |
| 08:20.06 | Aebian | even my sudo reports back sudo: unable to resolve host aebian.knight-industries.org: Connection timed out |
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| 08:21.33 | deb_deba | jelly: do small IDEs have the same number of pins as normal IDEs? |
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| 08:23.02 | shtrb | deb_deba , get an IDE to USB convertor (cost around ~$10) you could should be able to use it to install |
| 08:23.22 | shtrb | I don't know if the UUID will be the same in such a case |
| 08:23.35 | one_over | sata to ide |
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| 08:24.07 | one_over | https://www.amazon.com/Generic-IDE-SATA-Adapter/dp/B000RK89M4 |
| 08:24.07 | shtrb | he said he has an ide |
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| 08:24.31 | Mahe | Aebian, does your '/etc/hosts' have an entry for a localhost-range IP address for the hostname as defined in '/etc/hostname'? |
| 08:24.35 | one_over | plug into a sata port and then plug in ide drive |
| 08:25.33 | shtrb | one_over , that device look cool does the UUID stay the same if you install debian over that ? |
| 08:25.49 | Aebian | Mahe: thanks that was it |
| 08:25.59 | Aebian | there was a wrong dns entered |
| 08:26.10 | one_over | no idea only used it for windows |
| 08:26.15 | deb_deba | shtrb: i'll try to install debian 9.0 with lxde on it and see how that goes. |
| 08:26.46 | shtrb | I think I should have got that instead of the usb device |
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| 08:27.37 | Aebian | brb on irrsi then |
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| 08:28.57 | shtrb | ok , uuid is written on the FS itself so it should be safe |
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| 08:30.37 | p0rt | hello, how can I set xorg driver to xorg-xserver-video-intel? |
| 08:31.09 | p0rt | I own a thinkpad x60 from 2006 with c2d T2400 |
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| 08:31.57 | Aebian | ok was too quick. sudo is now running fast again but I get a nslookup timeout so still dns errors |
| 08:32.07 | Aebian | e.g. nslookup chat.freenode.net connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 08:32.17 | p0rt | xserver-xorg-video-intel* |
| 08:32.33 | one_over | http://tinyurl.com/y8le6vuh |
| 08:33.02 | p0rt | cp /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-intel/xorg.conf /etc/X11 didn't help |
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| 08:33.56 | p0rt | my computer freezes after starting, so I chrooted and disabled slim via systemctl, but I'd love to get X11 to work again |
| 08:34.07 | p0rt | I'm running jessie btw |
| 08:34.14 | p0rt | s/jessie/stretch |
| 08:34.29 | Aebian | in my /etc/hosts is added: 127.0.0.1 localhost and 79.133.59.10 aebian.knight-industries.org |
| 08:35.02 | Aebian | and the hostname and hostname -i commands are returning the correct values |
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| 08:36.32 | Aebian | a ping on a domain works also but a dns lookup doesn't... |
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| 08:39.59 | jelly | Aebian: "dig +short aebian.knight-industries.org" works for me |
| 08:40.26 | one_over | firewall issue |
| 08:40.28 | jelly | Aebian: how are you testing dns lookups and do you have working recursors in /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 08:41.03 | Aebian | jelly: I did just the standard dnslookup domain.tld and ping with just ping.domain.tld |
| 08:41.28 | Aebian | a ping works a dns lookup doesn't |
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| 08:41.56 | Aebian | which is the reason I can\t connect to freenode using irssi or running apt-get stuff |
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| 08:43.14 | Aebian | my /etc/resolv.conf has as nameserver 79.133.59.1 |
| 08:43.23 | Aebian | which should be correct |
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| 08:43.40 | Aebian | generated by dhcpd from eth0.dhcp |
| 08:43.46 | jelly | Aebian: I don't know what "standard dnslookup" is, are you using "getent hosts ..." or dig or which command exactly? |
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| 08:44.05 | HrishiP | Hello |
| 08:44.14 | Aebian | jelly: I just used the command dig |
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| 08:44.31 | HrishiP | Can anyone help me with something? |
| 08:44.56 | celyr | starts to upgrade all non critical production servers to stretch |
| 08:44.56 | yossarianuk | wow - busy weekend for the Debian crew.. |
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| 08:45.05 | jelly | Aebian: good, first verify your configured recursor gives results: "dig aebian.knight-industries.org. A @79.133.59.1" |
| 08:45.19 | jelly | !ask |
| 08:45.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 08:45.22 | jelly | HrishiP: ^^ |
| 08:45.28 | yossarianuk | is there a guide/how-to for upgrading debian 8 -> debian 9 ? |
| 08:45.38 | yossarianuk | (an official(ish) one) |
| 08:45.38 | jelly | yossarianuk: /msg dpkg jessie->stretch |
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| 08:46.08 | yossarianuk | jelly‎: that didn't create a message btw |
| 08:46.10 | HrishiP | Okay, I will post my doubt here. Thanks jelly |
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| 08:47.10 | Aebian | ; <<>> DiG 9.10.3-P4-Debian <<>> aebian.knight-industries.org A @79.133.59.1 ;; global options: +cmd ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 08:47.35 | jelly | Aebian: so, your recursor doesn't recurse :-) |
| 08:47.41 | HrishiP | So, I have made a custom RPI image (debian stretch) with a sucrose windows manager and lightdm desktop manager. Now, after loggin in from the greeter, sugar will ask me name, age, color and gender, and then nothing but just the sugar cursor. Any help? |
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| 08:47.55 | celyr | If I have deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main contrib non-free do I need to also add deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main ? |
| 08:48.03 | celyr | or just the first row it's ok ? |
| 08:48.05 | Tribaal | Hi all! I'm playing around with the gitlab package (apt install gitlab). Everything installed correctly, but now... where is the interface running? |
| 08:48.26 | jelly | HrishiP: is that actual debian or raspbian? How did you make this image? |
| 08:48.31 | Aebian | Tribaal: check /etc/gitlab.rb and #gitlab |
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| 08:48.45 | HrishiP | jelly : https://github.com/drtyhlpr/rpi23-gen-image, no raspbian |
| 08:48.52 | jelly | celyr: /msg dpkg stretch sources.list |
| 08:48.55 | Aebian | jelly: hmm weird okay |
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| 08:49.26 | celyr | ty |
| 08:49.26 | jelly | HrishiP: ask the drtyhlpr people, what you described is not part of normal debian installer |
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| 08:49.37 | Aebian | any solution for that? I never played around in that area it just "worked" |
| 08:49.41 | meldron | hey guys, which window manager can you recommand for a chrome kiosk box? |
| 08:49.44 | celyr | ok nice it's the same there |
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| 08:50.03 | HrishiP | jelly : Okay. Thanks |
| 08:51.43 | Tribaal | ah, the answer was "nginx has the default site still running" and therefore gitlab (running on the same port) didn't show up. Easy! |
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| 08:52.19 | Aebian | jelly: guess I should set another ns probably google one? |
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| 08:58.23 | celyr | things went well, moving on :) |
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| 09:00.00 | jelly | Aebian: or fix this one |
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| 09:00.38 | Aebian | well it worked before, I'm not sure why id doesn't anymore ... |
| 09:00.41 | Aebian | weird |
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| 09:01.33 | jelly | Aebian: if it's a cheap router of some sort, you may want to restart it |
| 09:02.26 | Aebian | its not. Its in our datacenter. I get in touch with my friend who has direct access to it. He should fix it :D |
| 09:02.52 | Aebian | meanwhile I just use google's |
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| 09:03.34 | celyr | and so they discovered that their datacenter's dns was a tecnicolor router |
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| 09:15.29 | Aebian | even with google's dns its not working. I'm confused now....wsh |
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| 09:16.26 | Aebian | my resolv.conf holds this: nameserver 8.8.4.4 nameserver 8.8.8.8 and nameserver 79.133.59.1 |
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| 09:24.36 | iBattaglin | 208.67.222.222 ftw |
| 09:25.48 | Plushfish | iBattaglin: ? |
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| 09:27.55 | JuniusBrutus | Plushfish, it's https://www.opendns.com/ |
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| 09:35.52 | Aebian | jelly: thx for the help. I just implemented the google DNS and that works like a charm. I guess thats the workaround until my friend fixes the stuff on our cisco thing (I'm not a networker so no clue what cisco devices is exactly used ^^) |
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| 09:48.26 | holycow | hi all |
| 09:49.08 | holycow | i am running debian 9 xfce live cd. is there an installer that can be run from the live desktop as opposed to boot time? |
| 09:49.21 | holycow | i don't see anything in the menu any longer |
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| 09:50.44 | Ericounet_ | dunno ... |
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| 09:55.43 | celyr | Aebian, can we see a dig ? |
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| 10:02.27 | tytan | Hello everyone, is there really no OpenZFS in the stretch repositorys? |
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| 10:02.54 | bazhang | ,v openzfs |
| 10:02.56 | judd | No package named 'openzfs' was found in amd64. |
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| 10:04.30 | yossarianuk | tytan‎: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/zfsutils-linux |
| 10:05.05 | yossarianuk | tytan‎: https://packages.debian.org/source/stretch/zfs-linux |
| 10:05.12 | yossarianuk | you need contrib enabled |
| 10:05.30 | tytan | yossarianuk: thanks ^^ |
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| 13:33.06 | Aebian | celyr: It didn't work before with our dc recursor. Jelly pointed me in the right direction in the issue is fixed now. |
| 13:33.34 | celyr | Anyway there is something wrong with firebird3.0 dep |
| 13:33.41 | celyr | should I write to their ml or what |
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| 13:35.42 | yangby | jelly: yes, it is ok in xterm, but error in both gnome-terminal and terminator. |
| 13:36.00 | yangby | in jessie, X only use tty7, in stretch, X use both tty1 and tty7, is it normal? |
| 13:36.14 | jelly | so maybe gnome-terminal needs to be told to "log in" |
| 13:36.22 | lovelybac0n | celyr, maybe try they're irc first. Might be trivial. |
| 13:40.31 | shamoanjac | hey, what's the preferred way to blacklist modules in Debian? |
| 13:40.50 | jelly | !blacklist |
| 13:40.51 | dpkg | To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 13:40.56 | shamoanjac | thanks! |
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| 13:43.37 | lucas-arg | hello all, im having problems installing debian 9, used dd to flash iso and in installation it says it cant read from cdrom |
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| 13:44.00 | lucas-arg | ive added cdrom-detect/try-usb=true on the kernel boot option |
| 13:44.04 | lucas-arg | didnt work either |
| 13:44.13 | lucas-arg | flashed two times the iso |
| 13:44.29 | Somelauw | How does Debian decide its pdf reader? On the internet, I read about xdg-mime query default application/x-pdf and /usr/share/applications/defaults.list but they both don't include the pdf reader that is opened by default? |
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| 13:45.43 | Somelauw | there is also .config/mimeapps.list, which seems to contain them |
| 13:46.10 | lovelybac0n | Somelauw, That's more an DE question. |
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| 13:46.18 | Somelauw | I am starting to like Windows for its very simple file association to program configuration. |
| 13:46.39 | Somelauw | lovelybac0n: i don't use a DE, just xdg-open |
| 13:46.42 | Fallenour | OOOOOOOOOOH!!!!!! AND HE SCOREEES!!! *slams ball on ground* *kicks computer* *Dances on legos* I FEAR NO DEBIAN! |
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| 13:47.02 | lovelybac0n | lol |
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| 13:47.13 | Fallenour | Totally worth it Jelly |
| 13:47.37 | Fallenour | I made it all work by blending ubuntu with debian distros |
| 13:47.46 | Fallenour | its totally insane, but it works |
| 13:47.48 | lucas-arg | ok apparently its a bug thats not fixed |
| 13:47.55 | lucas-arg | so wont be able to install debian??? |
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| 13:50.44 | Digz | lucas-arg, if it is a debian 9 bug, you can install debian 8.8 and then do a dist-upgrade afterwards |
| 13:50.44 | lovelybac0n | lucas-arg, are you set to boot from usb in your bios? |
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| 13:51.05 | lucas-arg | lovelybac0n, yes i am |
| 13:51.10 | lucas-arg | read thats a bug |
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| 13:51.19 | lucas-arg | so no debian 9 for me |
| 13:51.24 | BluesKaj | lucas-arg, use an image meant for usb , not dvd or cd |
| 13:51.42 | towo^work | there are no special usb images |
| 13:51.53 | towo^work | debian images all are isohybrid |
| 13:51.57 | lucas-arg | i need a nonfree iso since i have iwlwifi |
| 13:52.18 | lovelybac0n | firmware iso you mean |
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| 13:53.07 | lucas-arg | yes |
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| 13:53.29 | BCMM | lucas-arg: despite what BluesKaj says, official debian images are designed to work with both USB sticks and DVDs |
| 13:53.40 | lucas-arg | i just cant believe after 2 years of development and on my first day of try i cant install the system |
| 13:54.17 | BluesKaj | lucas-arg, https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 13:54.43 | lovelybac0n | lucas-arg, It's 2 days after an release just hang in there. |
| 13:54.44 | lucas-arg | BluesKaj, i wont be able to use the wifi with that image |
| 13:55.12 | BluesKaj | BCMM, undestand your point, but somew dvd images aren't meant for usb |
| 13:55.19 | flukiluke | I believe you can just put the appropriate firmware files into /lib/firmware |
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| 13:55.47 | BluesKaj | lucas-arg, ?? |
| 13:56.07 | Digz | lucas-arg, you can install the 8.8 non-free iso, and then do a dist-upgrade afterwards if you must install today, or just wait till someone fixes that bug... |
| 13:56.15 | lovelybac0n | flukiluke, that's not that straight forward. Better get the firmware iso. |
| 13:56.28 | lucas-arg | thanks all |
| 13:56.41 | jelly | !firmware live |
| 13:56.41 | dpkg | firmware live stretch |
| 13:56.48 | jelly | humm. |
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| 13:57.26 | jelly | !firmware live |
| 13:57.26 | dpkg | Unofficial <live> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for Debian 9 "Stretch" as a live OS are available at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ . See also <firmware images>. |
| 13:57.30 | jelly | lucas-arg: ^^ |
| 13:57.44 | Digz | hmmm.... having trouble reaching debian.org, overloaded? ;) |
| 13:57.45 | jelly | if you want to try live. |
| 13:57.57 | lucas-arg | jelly, i have that iso, but installer has a bug and wont start |
| 13:57.58 | Walakea | when will Debian package website update statuses? |
| 13:58.05 | BluesKaj | jelly, good call there ! |
| 13:58.11 | jelly | lucas-arg: if you plan to install, use the installer image. |
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| 13:58.22 | ForceRecon | lucas-arg: do you get a blank screen too? |
| 13:58.23 | jelly | not live. |
| 13:59.03 | Walakea | for example: jessie (stable) (xfce): ... |
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| 13:59.42 | jelly | Walakea: could be a couple days, it's a known issue |
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| 14:01.18 | lucas-arg | will try |
| 14:01.25 | lucas-arg | installer insted |
| 14:01.27 | lucas-arg | instead |
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| 14:01.44 | lucas-arg | but what should i download the cd image or dvd image?? |
| 14:01.45 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 14:01.46 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 14:01.55 | jelly | lucas-arg: ^^ netinst. |
| 14:02.03 | lucas-arg | ok |
| 14:02.06 | lucas-arg | thanx |
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| 14:03.57 | jasonwc | I'm having an issue assigning a static IP to an interface because something is manually editing /etc/resolv.conf. I made sure that resolvconf was not installed. I manually edited /etc/resolv.conf to add namesevers but after a reboot the file is blank. This is my /etc/network/interfaces setup- https://pastebin.com/2BniGf5w |
| 14:04.43 | yangby | jelly: thanks! i figure it out, since 2015, newer gnome-terminal versions no longer update the utmp records, jessie is too old!!! |
| 14:04.54 | jasonwc | This is on a Debian Stretch system. My Debian Jessie server doesn't have this issue. |
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| 14:05.03 | BCMM | jasonwc: i know i'm starting with the obvious here, but is networkmanager running? |
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| 14:05.29 | jasonwc | BCMM, network-manager is on but the interface is shown as unmanaged |
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| 14:06.25 | lovelybac0n | there you go |
| 14:06.36 | jasonwc | BCMM, I'll disable network-manager and try again |
| 14:06.59 | BCMM | jasonwc: thing is, resolv.conf isn't interface-specific |
| 14:07.11 | BCMM | jasonwc: if disabling nm sorts it, try https://askubuntu.com/a/623956 to make nm play nice |
| 14:07.32 | jasonwc | BCMM, I disabled n-m for all wired interfaces but used it for testing a wireless adapter with EAP-TLS |
| 14:07.40 | jasonwc | I can disable it. n-m loves to break things. |
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| 14:08.02 | lovelybac0n | BCMM, does disabling the network manager service suffice? |
| 14:08.09 | jasonwc | thanks BCMM |
| 14:08.17 | BCMM | jasonwc: that it does :) i quite like wicd for wireless stuff |
| 14:08.50 | BCMM | jasonwc: provides a gui to select a wireless network and enter the PSK for it, doesn't do too much other stuff |
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| 14:11.14 | Glanzmann | cd |
| 14:12.25 | BCMM | ... did he just ctrl-d out of here because his "shell" wasn't responding to cd properly? |
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| 14:28.19 | DammitJim | is there any way to put mp3s on an iphone 7 using Linux and be able to play them using the Music app (not google play or whatever)? |
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| 14:30.29 | vadimkolchev | Hi all. After using xrandr to turn off my internal monitor and use only external one, I ended up with corrupted default wallpaper (every reboot is the same). http://storage9.static.itmages.com/i/17/0619/h_1497882534_3303960_6e62a75d01.png - you can see it here. Could anyone point me to correct direction? |
| 14:32.27 | jimjamjim | vadimkolchev: what DE are you using? |
| 14:32.49 | vadimkolchev | jimjamjim, using i3 wm, not DE |
| 14:33.04 | uzeiro | How do you add users in MATE Desktop? The manual doesn't say anything about it, and I can't find any button in the System menu to do so. |
| 14:33.58 | vadimkolchev | uzeiro, why not use useradd? |
| 14:34.02 | lovelybac0n | uzeiro, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Users_and_groups#Example_adding_a_user |
| 14:34.15 | jmcnaught | on debian we can use adduser |
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| 14:36.28 | JuniusBrutus | vadimkolchev, is it a laptop with an integrated intel GPU? |
| 14:37.11 | uzeiro | vadimkolchev: lovelybac0n jmcnaught: Thanks, I'll try that, it's just that I'd expect the desktop to provide a graphical way to do so. |
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| 14:37.43 | BobK | vadimkolchev: if you do xsetroot -solid teal, same problem? |
| 14:38.03 | jmcnaught | uzeiro: GNOME and KDE do |
| 14:38.05 | vadimkolchev | JuniusBrutus, yes, it is |
| 14:38.11 | vadimkolchev | uzeiro, welcome |
| 14:38.29 | lovelybac0n | Question. How can I disable having to use sudo for programs to show? It's annoying when I want to look at a programs --help but can't without using sudo. |
| 14:38.40 | JuniusBrutus | vadimkolchev, not sure that it's going to help, but could you try enabling the i915 driver's DRI3 mode? |
| 14:39.06 | vadimkolchev | BobK, yes, does not change anything |
| 14:39.09 | JuniusBrutus | vadimkolchev, https://askubuntu.com/questions/740977/how-is-dri3-enabled-for-intel-drivers-running-on-a-haswell-igpu-in-ubuntu-15-10 |
| 14:39.29 | celyr | Mh, |
| 14:39.39 | uzeiro | jmcnaught: Had to use MATE because GNOME didn't worked for me in Debian 9 (invisible cursor, upside-down interface, freezing... A complete mess). I don't like KDE :p |
| 14:39.53 | vadimkolchev | JuniusBrutus, well, I tried that earlier on gnome desktop and my laptop was dying really, couldn't handle it and was extremely slow, not sure why, though |
| 14:39.55 | JuniusBrutus | vadimkolchev, I get a weird display on my monitor and my laptop's display, too, if I don't have DRI3 enabled |
| 14:40.00 | celyr | If I install stretch from scratch I'm getting the new pleasant colored prompt |
| 14:40.12 | celyr | But If I upgrade I don't get it |
| 14:40.13 | celyr | wtf ? |
| 14:40.20 | JuniusBrutus | vadimkolchev, oh |
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| 14:41.59 | themill | celyr: such things are defined in a user's .bashrc and packages don't touch anything inside a user's home directory |
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| 14:42.29 | celyr | themill, so I would get it making a new user |
| 14:42.31 | kaliko | Hi ! Is it wrong to call apt/apt-get with Default-Release on stretch-updates ? ie. http://paste.debian.net/972182/ |
| 14:42.36 | celyr | but where is the .bashrc for new users ? |
| 14:42.52 | themill | celyr: /etc/skel |
| 14:43.07 | celyr | right, thanks |
| 14:43.18 | themill | kaliko: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 14:44.07 | kaliko | I have a cron-apt (on jessie) config allowing to update packages from stretch-updates only. |
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| 14:44.48 | BCMM | lovelybac0n: it's a $PATH issue - root has /sbin as well as /bin in the $PATH |
| 14:45.05 | BCMM | lovelybac0n: you can try running /sbin/yourcommandhere, or you could add /sbin to your $PATH |
| 14:45.26 | kaliko | themill: It is woking fine on jessie, with strecth I got "E: The value 'stretch-updates' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources" |
| 14:45.32 | themill | kaliko: 'update' is pretty irrelevant |
| 14:45.34 | BCMM | lovelybac0n: and same for /usr/sbin |
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| 14:46.44 | lovelybac0n | BCMM, Thanks. That makes sense. |
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| 14:46.55 | themill | kaliko: you probably want stretch/updates not stretch-updates too. (and unattended-upgrades might be the package you are looking for) |
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| 14:47.21 | BCMM | lovelybac0n: i usually just keep /sbin and /usr/sbin in my $PATH since there are several commands in there that are actually useful without being root |
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| 14:48.06 | lovelybac0n | BCMM, like all gnu utils? |
| 14:48.32 | BCMM | lovelybac0n: not sure what you mean there; a bunch of coreutils live in /bin/ |
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| 14:48.44 | kaliko | themill: Is cron-apt deprecated ? |
| 14:48.59 | jasonwc | BCMM, Network-Manager was indeed the culprit. /etc/resolv.conf was actually a symbolic link to a file in a Network Manager folder |
| 14:49.19 | BCMM | jasonwc: ah, i should have thought of the symbolic link thing |
| 14:49.34 | lovelybac0n | BCMM, I mean coreutils. Is there any security risks or is it just links? |
| 14:49.42 | BCMM | jasonwc: tbh i don't really understand the logic behind resolv.conf symlinks |
| 14:49.45 | themill | kaliko: no, but you're trying to reimplement (badly) something that is already done elsewhere |
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| 14:50.11 | jasonwc | BCMM, I disabled NM, deleted the symlink, and created a real file with nameservers |
| 14:50.13 | jasonwc | seems to work fine |
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| 14:50.36 | BCMM | lovelybac0n: the only coreutils file i have in /sbin is chroot |
| 14:50.44 | BCMM | lovelybac0n: so i'm afraid i don't understand your question |
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| 14:52.01 | BCMM | lovelybac0n: anyway, there's no harm having /sbin/ and /usr/sbin in your user's $PATH, and it's the default on many distros |
| 14:52.16 | kaliko | alright, thanks for the advice themill. I'll look at unattended-upgrades. |
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| 14:52.26 | lovelybac0n | BCMM, If I want fsck that is in /bin last time I checked without sudo for --help then I need to add that to path? Maybe it is and I'm an idiot. |
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| 14:52.29 | BCMM | and for a power-user it's not that unusual to want to run some "administrative" commands *without* root |
| 14:53.01 | tga0 | greetings. does anyone know a nice web log viewer? not web logs, a web app that can push local logs to web clients |
| 14:53.10 | BCMM | random example: mkfs on an image file owned by a user |
| 14:53.18 | BCMM | lovelybac0n: fsck is in /sbin/ |
| 14:53.25 | BCMM | lovelybac0n: you can run /sbin/fsck --help |
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| 14:54.00 | lovelybac0n | BCMM, That helps alot. Now I get it. Thank you. |
| 14:54.05 | BCMM | lovelybac0n: but you'll usually want the manual for a *specific* fsck anyway |
| 14:54.35 | BCMM | e.g. fsck.vfat or fsck.ext4 |
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| 14:54.57 | BCMM | you only have to change your $PATH variable if you get fed up of typing the full path every time |
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| 14:55.47 | lovelybac0n | Yeah. I was just used to the arch way. When I know about it there is no issue. |
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| 14:56.25 | BCMM | lovelybac0n: arch probably has sbin dirs in the PATH, many distros do |
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| 14:57.53 | lovelybac0n | Honestly I can't recall. Was on arch for years and concentrated on other stuff. |
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| 14:58.30 | BCMM | oh! informational networking stuff too, like ifconfig and route |
| 14:58.37 | xelarellum | hey. today i upgraded oldstable to oldstable and it seems as nagios3 isnt availoble anymore |
| 14:58.40 | BCMM | (yes, i know i should just use /bin/ip) |
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| 14:58.59 | lovelybac0n | paths and enviroment variables are there but I never had the interest to look into it. |
| 14:59.06 | xelarellum | i can still find it in package,debian.org but not with apt-get or aptitude |
| 14:59.57 | lovelybac0n | ip link. I like systemd but I hate the syntax. |
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| 15:01.13 | celyr | xelarellum, I hereby confirm you that there is no nagios package on stretch, it seems |
| 15:01.17 | celyr | ,package nagios |
| 15:01.33 | celyr | looks at dpkg |
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| 15:02.09 | Fallenour | celyr: waaaah?! thats like the sacred staple of all things linux |
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| 15:02.31 | xelarellum | celyr: but i wonder why i can see them https://packages.debian.org/jessie/nagios3 |
| 15:02.43 | celyr | cause is jessie ? |
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| 15:03.40 | celyr | it seems that nagios was transitioned |
| 15:03.45 | celyr | from nagios to monitors |
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| 15:03.55 | celyr | monitoring |
| 15:04.07 | xelarellum | celyr: https://packages.debian.org/stable/nagios3 gives the same |
| 15:04.19 | kodapa | hello |
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| 15:04.32 | celyr | xelarellum, still jessie |
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| 15:05.23 | xp | If "dpkg --contents package.deb" lists all the files the package installs, how do I remove the files in that list? |
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| 15:05.42 | celyr | xp, play with xargs |
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| 15:05.57 | celyr | but maybe yo should uninstall that pkg ? |
| 15:06.02 | xelarellum | celyr: but i would think if have stable in my sources.list i will see the same |
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| 15:06.18 | celyr | xelarellum, actually packages.debian.org it's a bit outdated |
| 15:06.25 | celyr | and still list jessie as stable sometimes |
| 15:06.36 | celyr | but if you have stable from repo then you have stretch now. |
| 15:06.45 | celyr | and stretch has no nagis |
| 15:06.47 | celyr | nagios |
| 15:06.53 | Dollar | has anyone installed Debian 8 or 9 on raid10 using mdadm? |
| 15:07.31 | celyr | xelarellum, btw |
| 15:07.32 | xelarellum | celyr: oh i understand. still i am f*cked, but at least know whats going on. |
| 15:07.42 | celyr | I can confirm you that it was a design decision |
| 15:07.50 | xelarellum | celyr: so i have to migrate to icinga or something else? |
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| 15:08.07 | celyr | they http://www.debmon.org/pipermail/debmon-users/2015-March/000032.html |
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| 15:09.48 | celyr | icinga seems to be still supported tho |
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| 15:10.25 | xp | celyr: dpkg and apt say the package isn't installed, so I thought of removing its files |
| 15:10.43 | celyr | xp, check if some other pkg installed those files |
| 15:10.48 | celyr | if no then remove |
| 15:10.54 | celyr | sorry now I gtg have a nice day |
| 15:11.12 | jhutchins_wk | ,v nagios |
| 15:11.13 | judd | No package named 'nagios' was found in amd64. |
| 15:11.17 | jhutchins_wk | ,v nagios3 |
| 15:11.18 | judd | Package: nagios3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.1-3+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 3.4.1-3+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 3.4.1-5~bpo7+2; jessie: 3.5.1.dfsg-2+b1 |
| 15:11.22 | xp | "xargs rm -riv < dpkg --contents deb.deb" says "bash: dpkg: No such file or directory". Now I'm lost |
| 15:11.24 | jhutchins_wk | ,v nagios4 |
| 15:11.25 | judd | No package named 'nagios4' was found in amd64. |
| 15:11.34 | jhutchins_wk | qed |
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| 15:11.46 | Fallenour | what do you think is better? Rsync or btrfs |
| 15:12.11 | xelarellum | celyr: thx! |
| 15:12.18 | jhutchins_wk | Fallenour: A transport protocol or a filesystem? |
| 15:12.39 | jelly | cake! |
| 15:12.41 | jelly | !best |
| 15:12.42 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 15:12.45 | Fallenour | jhutchins_wk: Filesystem, specifically using to revert back with snapshots |
| 15:12.51 | xelarellum | judd: seems i have to choose something new |
| 15:13.31 | lovelybac0n | zfs |
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| 15:14.57 | TomG2 | jelly knows his way around the bot |
| 15:15.19 | Fallenour | jelly layin siege to me today :'( |
| 15:15.54 | lovelybac0n | Anyone for tennis? Are dpk* even trying. That song is so old it hurts. And it's a crappy song. |
| 15:16.01 | Fallenour | jelly be like: fallenour tears > /dev/null | rm -f /fallenour/hopes/and/dreams/ |
| 15:16.31 | Fallenour | ** |
| 15:16.46 | lovelybac0n | Hello belly! |
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| 15:20.16 | jmcnaught | Fallenour: hey, maybe try "i'm trying to solve this problem that i describe here with decent detail. which of these two strategies/tools should i use?" |
| 15:20.24 | lucas_arg | well did install with debian installer |
| 15:20.33 | lucas_arg | no problems |
| 15:21.04 | zuiss1 | does anyone know the nftables alternative to "sudo ufw enable default" which denies all incoming and allows all outgoing connections? i was reading about the new firewall in debian 9 that replaced iptables |
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| 15:21.27 | Bliepo | Hello, I am having the following problem with freeradius: (9) mschap: WARNING: No Cleartext-Password configured. Cannot create NT-Passwo |
| 15:21.35 | BluesKaj | lucas_arg, good to hear :-) |
| 15:22.05 | Bliepo | Even though I have a corresponding entry with a cleartext-password |
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| 15:26.33 | zuiss1 | it looks like iptables is still installed by default and not nftables on my debian 9 install |
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| 15:28.52 | BluesKaj | zuiss1, did you upgrade from jessie, if so then you options are open to switch |
| 15:29.09 | zuiss1 | BluesKaj: clean install, not upgrade |
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| 15:29.28 | zuiss1 | the nftables package isn't installed, but iptables still is |
| 15:29.49 | dax | that's intended. |
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| 15:32.00 | zuiss1 | then what's the point of the announcements about debian switching to nftables if iptables is still the one that comes by default? |
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| 15:32.59 | dax | I wouldn't know, I haven't seen any. |
| 15:33.05 | lovelybac0n | sorry, stupid internet. m |
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| 15:34.13 | BluesKaj | zuiss1, perhaps nftables isn't ready yet ..debian is known for it's cautious approach to security apps |
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| 15:35.21 | lovelybac0n | nice question. |
| 15:36.11 | zuiss1 | http://ral-arturo.org/2017/05/05/debian-stretch-stable-nftables.html |
| 15:36.29 | zuiss1 | found this. it's saying it needs to be installed, so it's not default installed |
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| 15:36.59 | greycat | you can also see that by looking at the "Priority:" in apt-cache show nftables |
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| 15:37.53 | BluesKaj | I guess debian leaves it up to users to make the changes if they wish, then wait for any bugs to be reported |
| 15:37.58 | lovelybac0n | If you're gonna preach, then preach. |
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| 15:40.12 | nterprais | hi |
| 15:40.36 | lovelybac0n | https://linux-audit.com/differences-between-iptables-and-nftables-explained/ |
| 15:40.38 | lovelybac0n | christ |
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| 15:41.17 | lovelybac0n | Multiple Actions One rule can hold multiple actions. With iptables, this would mean splitting rules, and jumping to different blocks. |
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| 15:42.05 | lovelybac0n | https://linux-audit.com/differences-between-iptables-and-nftables-explained/ |
| 15:42.10 | lovelybac0n | great |
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| 15:42.49 | greycat | If they really want to "explain" something, they should take an actual machine and an actual iptables configuration, and convert it to nftables, and show them both. Not these mysterious context-free single lines. |
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| 15:43.29 | cusco | hey folks |
| 15:44.04 | cusco | We've replaced disks in a multi device array (mdadm) and blkid is shoind same ID's for several different disks |
| 15:44.13 | cusco | i'm not sure if thats supposed to happen |
| 15:44.16 | lovelybac0n | greycat, I have no cat to skin as I haven't read up on it. |
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| 15:44.39 | lovelybac0n | Cooked cat is terrible btw |
| 15:44.47 | cusco | at the moment I'm having difficulties booting with grub because we moved from mbr to gpt (partitions over 2TB) |
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| 15:45.25 | cusco | anyway, any one of you using md devices, could issue a blkid and check if the partitions belonging to a md have the same id ?= |
| 15:45.27 | Dollar | anyone having problems installing /boot on raid10? :> |
| 15:45.42 | zuiss1 | greycat: yea i agree. i think i will stick with iptables now since the "ufw" program makes it very easy to just type "ufw enable default" and be done |
| 15:46.02 | cusco | Dollar: is that for me, or a question of your own? |
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| 15:46.42 | Dollar | question in general, i cant seem to boot when installing debian on raid10 |
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| 15:47.01 | Dollar | on a virtual machine all is ok with the raid if I try it on bare metal grub cant install itself on the raid |
| 15:47.47 | cusco | what superblock version, dollar ? (mdadm --detail /dev/mdX) |
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| 15:48.47 | arturo | greycat: I can answer your questions tomorrow about nftables/iptables :-) |
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| 15:50.38 | greycat | I didn't have any questions. |
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| 15:51.01 | colo-work | well then you should probably make up some! |
| 15:51.29 | arturo | oh, fine then. I read about some mysterious context-free single lines and we can discuss about them :-) |
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| 15:51.47 | arturo | see you tomorrow! |
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| 16:02.57 | XXOOXX | Hello. How to fix NVIDIA gtx 930m driver question in Debian stretch ?Thx |
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| 16:04.03 | towo` | XXOOXX, what question? |
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| 16:05.21 | lovelybac0n | hmmm gtx930M I recognize that optimus question. |
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| 16:06.22 | XXOOXX | About Nvidia video driver . I'm coming crazy about that |
| 16:06.35 | towo` | optimus == bumblebee == crap |
| 16:06.40 | HoloIRCUser1 | Toast |
| 16:06.43 | HoloIRCUser1 | Hmmm |
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| 16:07.06 | XXOOXX | apt-get install bumblebee ? |
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| 16:07.27 | towo` | XXOOXX, read the wiki page |
| 16:07.30 | lovelybac0n | like was said moons ago |
| 16:07.44 | lovelybac0n | ok, maybe half a moon. |
| 16:07.47 | XXOOXX | Ok, thx for you |
| 16:07.50 | towo` | https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 16:08.16 | jasonwc | What is the typical delay for security updates in testing vs. Stable? I know that only stable has official Security support and updates can be held up in testing. I've only ever used Debian Stable on production systems, but I've also used Debian for servers. For a desktop, I don't know that I'll want to go 2 years with the same software packages (I know that there are backports but lots of stuff don't get updates) |
| 16:08.23 | JBB | Is there a IRC channel about the debian hurd port? I would like to know how I can build hurd images, live-build doesn't seem to support it and crosshurd didn't work for me either. |
| 16:08.52 | lovelybac0n | jasonwc, what are you asking? |
| 16:08.52 | HexNotWelcome | 49416d4c6567696f6e |
| 16:09.07 | HexNotWelcome | Ok. We good |
| 16:09.24 | greycat | !testing security |
| 16:09.31 | iBattaglin | Bitlbee ftw |
| 16:09.32 | iBattaglin | hehe |
| 16:09.40 | iBattaglin | not bumle |
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| 16:09.51 | greycat | Hmm. |
| 16:09.52 | jasonwc | lovelybac0n, What is the typical delay between the time a security update is pushed to Stable and when it makes it to Testing. Updates for Testing would generally go through the maintainer and then have to go through an automatic hold. I'm asking what is the typical delay. |
| 16:09.53 | lovelybac0n | greycat, hehehehe.. |
| 16:10.06 | greycat | What's so funny? Dpkg isn't responding, which isn't very funny to me. |
| 16:10.09 | HexNotWelcome | Linux could rule shame vid drivers not applicable |
| 16:10.20 | JBB | I think you can also use the debian stretch security repos with testing, although it's not officially supported. Testing often has a delay of a few weeks between sid and testing, but I'm not sure if this is also valid for security updates ... |
| 16:10.26 | jasonwc | Yeah, I know the recommendation is to use STable if you care about security. |
| 16:10.33 | jasonwc | I just want to get an idea of what the delay is like. |
| 16:11.01 | jasonwc | My understanding is that security updates get pushed faster, but I've never tried myself. |
| 16:11.10 | lovelybac0n | jasonwc, security update are always pushed to every branch. Are you stupid? Do you think security updates have to wait for years? |
| 16:11.11 | JBB | Look at tracker.debian.org and look for an example package |
| 16:11.16 | greycat | dpkg, literal testing security |
| 16:11.18 | dpkg | "testing security" is "<reply> see buster/updates" |
| 16:11.23 | greycat | Ahhhh. |
| 16:11.29 | lovelybac0n | christ. |
| 16:11.34 | greycat | dpkg, stretch/updates |
| 16:11.44 | greycat | Fuuuuck. |
| 16:11.57 | jasonwc | lovelybac0n, I can't tell if you are being intentionally vitriolic or just ignorant. https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing |
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| 16:12.27 | greycat | Anyway, there USED to be a nice "testing security" factoid which explained how it worked. :( |
| 16:12.32 | jasonwc | Obviously isn't not years. It would be a matter of days. |
| 16:12.36 | lovelybac0n | jasonwc, bpaste your /etc/apt/sources.list please |
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| 16:13.03 | jasonwc | greycat, Do you mean this? - "A: Security for testing benefits from the security efforts of the entire project for unstable. However, there is a minimum two-day migration delay, and sometimes security fixes can be held up by transitions. The Security Team helps to move along those transitions holding back important security uploads, but this is not always possible and delays may occur. Especially in the months after a new stable release, when many |
| 16:13.03 | jasonwc | new versions are uploaded to unstable, security fixes for testing may lag behind. If you want to have a secure (and stable) server you are strongly encouraged to stay with stable." |
| 16:13.27 | jmcnaught | jasonwc: it can be weeks sometimes. if you need security or it's a public server stick with stable. especially right now that stretch is fresh all the software is still pretty recent |
| 16:13.46 | lovelybac0n | still |
| 16:13.47 | greycat | dpkg, no, testing security is <reply> Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing |
| 16:13.48 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 16:13.53 | jasonwc | jmcnaught, Yeah, I'm using Stretch now. I'm really just wondering about what happens in a year when the software is older. |
| 16:14.17 | lovelybac0n | it's older |
| 16:14.20 | jasonwc | lovelybac0n, I am using stable currently - https://pastebin.com/U0dkxM06 |
| 16:14.30 | lovelybac0n | ka |
| 16:14.37 | JBB | I can recommend using sid, it get's every update when it's packaged, without much delay |
| 16:14.46 | greycat | Please do not recommend sid in this channel. |
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| 16:14.57 | lovelybac0n | jasonwc, I'm on stretch, but then again I'm not afraid. |
| 16:15.07 | jmcnaught | jasonwc: there's an actual security team that supports the stable release. with testing, security updates only happen when packages migrate from unstable to testing following normal procedures (which can include long delays) |
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| 16:15.10 | JBB | oh, didn't know that ... |
| 16:15.11 | JBB | sorry |
| 16:15.11 | jasonwc | greycat, I find Stable great for servers. I'm just not sure how well it will work for a desktop. |
| 16:15.17 | spacebug^ | no security updates using sid. Stable is recommended to use |
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| 16:15.50 | jasonwc | jmcnaught, Yeah, that's my concern. I would assume most make it through in a few days, but you're SOL if there's some issue that causes it to take weeks. |
| 16:16.43 | greycat | That's why we endorse running stable on exposed servers and other systems where security is important. |
| 16:16.46 | jmcnaught | jasonwc: i love debian stable on desktops because it means my computer works the same with no surprises every day. you can get newer stuff from backports, or run newer stuff in a container if you really need to. personally i like my computer that i depend on to get work done to not have surprises. "stable" in this context means "doesn't change much" |
| 16:16.47 | tnan123 | so sid is more stable then testing but stable is the best? am i getting that right? |
| 16:16.51 | lovelybac0n | Thinking about sid. What is the drawback. Lots of breakage or few? Coming from arch. |
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| 16:17.02 | tnan123 | oops i meant more secure* |
| 16:17.03 | greycat | sid is LESS stable than testing, but it gets security fixes faster |
| 16:17.10 | jasonwc | JBB, yes, sid gets updates quickly, but things can also break since there's no regression testing before packges hit Sid |
| 16:17.20 | hiya | Anyone using Seafile-gui on Debian Stretch? |
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| 16:17.34 | greycat | but they're not "security fixes" in the sense that the security team actually went in and fixed something. they're just newer upstream versions or whatever the package maintainer felt like doing today |
| 16:17.52 | lovelybac0n | greycat, like arch? |
| 16:18.24 | jasonwc | Also, during a freeze, new packages don't migrate to Sid, so you wouldn't be getting quick updates then, right? |
| 16:18.26 | ausjke | running free on one of my debian laptop the 'shared' and 'buff/cache' consumes half of my RAM(4G of 8G) no matter what I do: swappingness is 10, drop_cache is echoed 3, sync is run, ipcrm does not help, it's like a huge memory leak that is persistent, what gives? |
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| 16:18.47 | greycat | !free ram |
| 16:18.48 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 16:19.10 | BlueSpruce | I've never really had a need (and desire) to use Skype video calls, but currently I do. But Skype for Linux Beta tells me, that video calls "are not supported on this platform yet". This platform being Debian. Are there any solutions to this? |
| 16:19.20 | koollman | well, it should be lower after drop_caches. And start to go up quickly of course :) |
| 16:19.23 | porton | What is the difference between stretch/updates and stretch-updates? |
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| 16:19.40 | jmcnaught | BlueSpruce: can you use a webrtc thing like talky.io? |
| 16:19.42 | ausjke | i know those basics..and i have multiple machines, it's just this laptop easily ran out of memory and I noticed its shared/buff/cache stays high no matter what I do, which is not the case with all my other machines |
| 16:19.49 | greycat | porton: /msg dpkg stretch-updates /msg dpkg stretch/updates |
| 16:19.50 | ausjke | i'm out of my wits |
| 16:20.03 | JBB | Which Debian version are you trying to use skype on? |
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| 16:20.26 | lovelybac0n | out |
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| 16:20.37 | porton | greycat: the bot hasn't answered my question |
| 16:20.43 | jmcnaught | ausjke: the kernel manages buffers and cache automatically, it will free that memory if needed, or keep it to speed up disk IO, don't worry about it |
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| 16:20.57 | greycat | dpkg, stretch/updates |
| 16:20.57 | dpkg | Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing |
| 16:21.00 | greycat | dpkg, stretch-updates |
| 16:21.00 | dpkg | well, stretch-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from stretch-updates will be included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <stretch/updates> which is for <security> updates. |
| 16:21.07 | greycat | Too fucking tired to do anything else. |
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| 16:22.08 | JBB | BlueSpruce: You can try building the skype appimage. It works for me. (https://github.com/AppImage/AppImages/tree/master/recipes/meta) |
| 16:22.22 | BlueSpruce | jmcnaught, I am able to use different services, but the potential employers use skype. |
| 16:22.27 | jasonwc | Has there been any update on the situation with Thunderbird? Presently, Oath2 is broken so you can't add a new GMail account. This is fixed in 52.2, the version in Sid, but the fix has not been backported to Stretch. This has been an issue for a while. |
| 16:22.28 | ausjke | jmcnaught: yes, however echo 3 to drop_caches does not change anything(unlike other machines), i do this because my laptop is having serious memory-related performance issues these days, while my other lower end machine runs the same task better |
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| 16:23.01 | ausjke | the strange thing is the 'shared' stays very high, 4G out of 8G after a while, and it never went away, something is using my shm and never releases it! |
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| 16:24.05 | BlueSpruce | JBB, thank you, I'll definitely try this! |
| 16:24.44 | ausjke | i don't want to change /proc/sys/kernel/shmall but maybe that's the way to do |
| 16:24.52 | jmcnaught | BlueSpruce: there's also a flatpak for skype: http://flatpak.org/apps.html |
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| 16:26.15 | zuiss1 | is there a qt version of networkmanager in debian? i did a search for networkmanager qt and am only seeing this: libkf5networkmanagerqt6 - Qt wrapper for NetworkManager - library |
| 16:26.24 | l9 | hello all i am trying too have computer A sshing into B and por forward A sshd too B so that B can ssh back too A ? |
| 16:26.49 | BlueSpruce | jmcnaught, I'm learning so many new things today, thank you so much. |
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| 16:28.04 | jhutchins_wk | zuiss1: There's a cli UI in the repos. |
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| 16:31.15 | jmcnaught | ausjke: what does "ps -exo pid,user,args,rss --sort -rss | head" tell you? |
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| 16:32.29 | jmcnaught | heh or just run top and sort by memory with M |
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| 16:33.03 | ausjke | jmcnaught: it's all chrome processes. same as what 'smem' told me |
| 16:33.26 | jmcnaught | solution: use firefox |
| 16:33.47 | disi | I'm not sure what the implications of this are: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=864953 |
| 16:33.49 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/864953 in dpkg (open): «dpkg: trigger problems with shared-mime-info while upgrading gnome-screensaver:i386 from jessie to stretch»; severity: serious; opened: 2017-06-17; last modified: 2017-06-17. |
| 16:33.55 | disi | is that a good reason to wait to upgrade to stretch? |
| 16:33.59 | ausjke | jmcnaught: the trick thing is that, i opened 20 tabs, then use chrome's OneTab to put them all into one Tab, and its Task-Manager told me it consumes just a little memory, however the 20-tab-taken-shmem never went away |
| 16:34.19 | ausjke | the issue is probably the OneTab plugin should trigger chrome's GC somehow |
| 16:34.28 | ausjke | i think that should be the cause. Thanks! |
| 16:35.09 | jmcnaught | ausjke: i don't know what onetab is. are you using chrome or chromium? firefox uses less memory than either of them these days by the way. |
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| 16:39.57 | ausjke | jmcnaught: switch to firefox now |
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| 16:42.25 | DBeepBeep | I'm looking to get a newer version gcc than what is in the stable. Is there a way to change the sources for a single package? |
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| 16:43.03 | cusco | you can add new sources and use apt-get install -t <source> package |
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| 16:43.14 | cusco | also check apt-cache policy package |
| 16:43.29 | jmcnaught | DBeepBeep: best to do it in a separate container or chroot than to potentially mess up your system. definitely _do_not_ mix stable and testing or unstable |
| 16:43.31 | cusco | normally newer versions are available on backports |
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| 16:43.55 | TheReds | Test |
| 16:44.00 | cusco | !test |
| 16:44.00 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 16:45.22 | TheReds | SO hows 9 doing |
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| 16:53.59 | Temuthril | I think my os drive letter changes after install (sdd -> sdc), how would I change it later so it can boot? |
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| 16:56.04 | jmcnaught | Temuthril: what happens when you try to boot? were there any warnings or errors during the install? which release & installer image are using? |
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| 16:57.46 | Temuthril | debian 9 netinst 64bit, install goes fine, but then it says /dev/sdd1 not found |
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| 16:58.00 | Temuthril | I'm installing it on a hp microserver gen8, and during the install the usb drive I use occupies /dev/sdc, while the ssd is on /dev/sdd |
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| 16:58.19 | pvoigt | jelly: Thanks, I will test it before in a VM, if it is necessary to remove third party packages before the upgrade. |
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| 16:58.38 | likcoras | Hi, I used to use a rule like `SUBSYSTEM=="drm", KERNEL=="card[0-9]*", ACTION=="change", ENV{DISPLAY}=":0", ENV{XAUTHORITY}="/home/likcoras/.Xauthority", RUN+="/usr/bin/xrandr --output DP1 --auto --left-of eDP1"` to enable external monitor on plug and disable it when I unplug it, but after upgrading to stretch it does the opposite. |
| 16:58.39 | Temuthril | after removing the usb stick after a successful install, the os drive moves itself to /dev/sdc, as far as I can tell |
| 16:58.40 | dhaller | I am trying to follow the direction on the http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/general/gcc-ada.html and it says to unpack the tarball, and run "make ins-all prefix=/opt/gnat" but I get back mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/opt/gnat’: Permission denied |
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| 16:59.00 | likcoras | ie. plugging in disables the monitor (in xrandr) and unplugging it enables it. |
| 16:59.01 | dhaller | I do not want to run sudo |
| 16:59.05 | greycat | dhaller: obviously that part has to be run as root. |
| 16:59.18 | dhaller | I understand that it is not advised to run make as root |
| 16:59.24 | greycat | Once you make /opt/gnat you can chown it to your non-root user and then do the rest as you. |
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| 16:59.39 | dhaller | ok |
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| 17:00.47 | dhaller | ty |
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| 17:02.18 | n-iCe | Does debian 9 supports uefi? |
| 17:02.23 | greycat | Yes. |
| 17:02.33 | n-iCe | Awesome |
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| 17:03.11 | zuiss1 | i have a vpn client that is installed in debian 9 but clicking the menu option does nothing. it can also be launched from a executible in the home directory, a run.sh file. but that fails too and the output only says "pia_nw: no process found" |
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| 17:03.22 | zuiss1 | how would i troubleshoot why this works in jessie but not stretch? |
| 17:03.51 | likcoras | zuiss1: for starters, what does the run.sh file contain? |
| 17:04.20 | ausjke | jmcnaught: arhh...found the true root cause, the bootchart's collector process keeps eating memory until 4G |
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| 17:05.16 | zuiss1 | likcoras: hmm let me check |
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| 17:05.32 | jimjamjim | how do i set more than one wired iface in wicd? |
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| 17:06.45 | zuiss1 | likcoras: seems pretty small https://paste.debian.net/972225/ |
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| 17:07.11 | greycat | it... runs a ruby script. |
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| 17:07.18 | zuiss1 | i don't have ruby installed |
| 17:07.22 | zuiss1 | could that be it |
| 17:07.42 | zuiss1 | installing now |
| 17:07.57 | jmcnaught | Temuthril: normally the installer will use UUIDs in /etc/fstab. is it possible there's an old install of GRUB on one of the drives? |
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| 17:08.07 | greycat | It seems to think that it will find ruby inside the directory where the script is "installed", if all the stars align. (This is a stupid programming technique.) |
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| 17:08.34 | greycat | In the directory where run.sh is, there should be "64/ruby" and/or "32/ruby" |
| 17:08.35 | likcoras | Eh, why is it dumb? When would that script fail? |
| 17:08.36 | ausjke | wishes mips64 is supported in stretch in addition to mipsel64 |
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| 17:08.55 | greycat | It's dumb because it relies on $0 to try to guess where the file is. This is wrong. It fails in many situations. |
| 17:09.04 | greycat | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/028 |
| 17:09.07 | Temuthril | it's a fresh install |
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| 17:09.45 | zuiss1 | i installed ruby but it didn't fix it or change the output unfortunately: sh run.sh > pia_nw: no process found kill: (2571): No such process |
| 17:09.46 | jmcnaught | Temuthril: and it has never had another linux install on it before, the HDDs came out of a shrink wrap today? |
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| 17:10.08 | Temuthril | correct |
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| 17:10.21 | Bliepo | Anyone willing to help me with a problem with freeradius? Have been at it for 10+ hours already and it's driving me insane |
| 17:10.29 | greycat | zuiss1: at this point you have to read inside the ruby script, which is clearly running (you didn't get "sh: 32/ruby: command not found" |
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| 17:10.30 | likcoras | Huh, interesting. |
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| 17:10.51 | jmcnaught | zuiss1: is this for PIA or some other openvpn provider? you should just configure networkmanager or openvpn@.service instead of using their garbage scripts |
| 17:11.02 | maher | does anyone know where the droid fonts are in stretch? |
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| 17:11.27 | jmcnaught | Temuthril: can you show a picture of the error that you get or provide more detail about which step in the boot process this error happens? |
| 17:11.46 | jandrusk | Since Debian Stable is now "Stretch" and I've been running "Stretch" for Debian Testing, do I just need to update my sources to "Buster" instead of "Stretch" so it goes back to Debian Testing? |
| 17:11.52 | n-iCe | Wow |
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| 17:12.05 | n-iCe | Debian live 9 gnome is almost 3GB |
| 17:12.09 | greycat | jandrusk: if you want to continue following testing forever, you can change it to "testing". If you want to follow buster, change it to "buster". |
| 17:12.09 | zuiss1 | jmcnaught: yes it's PIA |
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| 17:12.36 | jandrusk | greycat: Thanks. |
| 17:12.41 | zuiss1 | jmcnaught: their client has some convenient checkboxes like letting you choose the encryption type and enabling dns leak protection |
| 17:12.56 | jmcnaught | jandrusk: or use stretch for a bit, it's new, and right now testing will have a lot of changes happening |
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| 17:13.23 | jmcnaught | zuiss1: assuming that it actually does what it says it does. if it's the same quality as their script… |
| 17:13.25 | greycat | jmcnaught: ... once the x-day delay for migration from unstable->testing is passed |
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| 17:14.03 | greycat | jmcnaught: they actually used quotes correctly, which is a small miracle. |
| 17:14.16 | greycat | Failed "all-caps vars" and "uses $0" though. |
| 17:14.36 | zuiss1 | greycat: so i can see arch would be 64, dirname looks like /bin but i don't have a /bin/64 directory |
| 17:14.44 | zuiss1 | maybe that's why. because it isn't finding 64 in bin |
| 17:14.55 | greycat | zuiss1: dirname of $0 which is the name that the shell placed in argv[0] when it ran this script |
| 17:15.05 | greycat | zuiss1: which is COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE |
| 17:15.18 | jmcnaught | PIA blocks access to port 587 on all servers, and took my entire two week vacation to whitelist mine |
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| 17:15.55 | zuiss1 | lol |
| 17:15.57 | greycat | zuiss1: in your case it appears to have "worked", because it clearly executed the ruby interpreter and has moved on past this sh script into the *.rb script |
| 17:16.07 | zuiss1 | greycat: oh ok |
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| 17:16.33 | zuiss1 | maybe it is actually working but not appearing in my panel as an applet |
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| 17:17.09 | zuiss1 | i did some search online for that output i copied above and some PIA person said that's normal and to ignore it |
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| 17:18.09 | zuiss1 | i foudn something which says if the icon doesn't appear, to run it with this option: nohup env XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity ~/.pia_manager/pia_manager/run.sh |
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| 17:18.45 | zuiss1 | i don't use unity but i tried changing it to my DE, doesn't work although everyone in that thread said that fixed it for them lol |
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| 17:19.01 | greycat | What do you mean, "changing it to my DE"? |
| 17:19.18 | greycat | The entire point of that command you pasted was to *lie* to PIA to make it *think* you are using Unity. |
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| 17:19.35 | greycat | (well, that, and to redirect that warning to nohup.out) |
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| 17:20.13 | jandrusk | greycat: yeah, think I'm going to stick with Stretch for a bit as I need to wait until VirtualBox gets ported back to Testing. |
| 17:20.18 | zuiss1 | oh ok |
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| 17:20.35 | zuiss1 | well did nothing with unity either |
| 17:20.37 | kstange | hey, does anyone know if there will be live webboot images on cdimage.debian.org for stretch? |
| 17:20.47 | zuiss1 | i will contact their customer service and see what they say |
| 17:22.31 | zuiss1 | or maybe just use openvpn config like jmcnaught said |
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| 17:23.05 | jmcnaught | or NetworkManager if you want a gui |
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| 17:24.11 | zuiss1 | jmcnaught: i downloaded their .opvn files for the different locations and was able to connect with sudo openvpn 'location.opvn' |
| 17:24.27 | greycat | \o/ |
| 17:24.30 | zuiss1 | looks like i just to control-C to disconnect from the terminal |
| 17:24.35 | zuiss1 | i can just do it this way |
| 17:24.54 | zuiss1 | my real dns is showing though |
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| 17:26.06 | tanking | Does anyone know how to enter interactive startup mode on Debian? On Gentoo you press i after the kernel loads |
| 17:26.17 | jmcnaught | zuiss1: nmcli has an import feature that you could try, there might also be a GUI for that… my only NM using computer is still on jessie so i haven't tried it |
| 17:26.34 | Brigo | tanking, there should be and option at boot menu time |
| 17:26.49 | jmcnaught | zuiss1: NM can also set custom namservers for each connection, including vpn |
| 17:27.30 | zuiss1 | jmcnaught: do you know that name of that nmcli package? |
| 17:28.13 | jmcnaught | zuiss1: network-manager |
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| 17:28.20 | somiaj | nmcli comes with network-manager |
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| 17:28.26 | Temuthril | jmcnaught: http://i.imgur.com/PijyiKY.jpg |
| 17:28.40 | zuiss1 | thanks |
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| 17:29.10 | zuiss1 | i had connman installed by default |
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| 17:29.28 | jmcnaught | "by default"? |
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| 17:29.41 | zuiss1 | i don't think i installed it myself. it was a clean debian install |
| 17:29.46 | DammitJim1 | I gotta say... debian upgrade from jessie to stretch was pretty smooth |
| 17:29.51 | zuiss1 | unless the lxqt package installed it |
| 17:30.01 | DammitJim1 | thanks Debian maintainers and all who made this so easy! |
| 17:30.24 | somiaj | DammitJim1: they do give a lot of testing to ensure this. Provided one doesn't have thrid party packages, it should work okay in most cicumstances. |
| 17:30.32 | mosk3d1 | DammitJiml: Agreed, thank you guys |
| 17:30.37 | BluesKaj | PIA doesn't require a desktop to work, one can add the .ovpn and login.txt files to /etc/openvpn, then use the cli to enable the vpn and connect , using a coomand like this one: sudo openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/CA*Montreal.ovpn --auth-user-pass /etc/openvpn/login.txt...thse commands can be added to bash_aliases to make the command shorter and easier to deal with. |
| 17:30.38 | DammitJim1 | oh yeah, but still |
| 17:30.41 | somiaj | third party repos and cause problems (and sometimes backports are as fully tested) |
| 17:30.48 | jmcnaught | Temuthril: and this happens after the grub menu? |
| 17:30.58 | DammitJim1 | I thought to myself this morning about how much I complain, but never give a koodos for work well done |
| 17:31.03 | Temuthril | yes |
| 17:31.18 | DammitJim1 | oh, I totally removed third party repos for this upgrade 'cause I didn't want anything to get in the way |
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| 17:32.05 | zuiss1 | BluesKaj: cool |
| 17:32.14 | zuiss1 | i just put username and password in that login.txt file? |
| 17:32.19 | jmcnaught | BluesKaj: with systemd if you rename that file extension from .ovpn to .conf you can use "systemctl start openvpn@CA*Montreal" for example |
| 17:32.46 | BluesKaj | zuiss1, yes |
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| 17:33.28 | BluesKaj | jmcnaught, really? that's cool :-) |
| 17:34.02 | jmcnaught | BluesKaj: look at the /lib/systemd/system/openvpn@.service unit for how it works. it's an example of instantiated services |
| 17:34.38 | jmcnaught | Temuthril: i recommend booting the debian installer into rescue mode and tell it to reinstall grub |
| 17:34.43 | BluesKaj | looks |
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| 17:35.20 | Temuthril | I'll try, thanks for the help, I have to go for now |
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| 17:37.55 | Arcademan | I have one other quick question: is there a way to tweak the debian shell on stretch back to gnome 3.14 styling |
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| 17:38.43 | likcoras | Hi, I'm trying to get monitr hotplug working with udev rules, my rules looks like so: `SUBSYSTEM=="drm", KERNEL=="card[0-9]*", ACTION=="change", ENV{DISPLAY}=":0", ENV{XAUTHORITY}="/home/likcoras/.Xauthority", RUN+="/usr/local/bin/plugdisplay"` and /usr/local/bin/plugdisplay is like so: https://paste.debian.net/972225/ |
| 17:39.00 | jmcnaught | Arcademan: you could try using the extensions in tweak-tool or from gnome-software or https://extensions.gnome.org/ |
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| 17:39.40 | likcoras | Wrong link, sorry. https://paste.debian.net/972229/ I want to understand why getting rid of line 3 makes this script do the exact opposite of what it should be doing. (disable on plug, enable on unplug) |
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| 17:40.22 | ZorroT | hello there -- trying to set up mysql (mariadb) and phpadmin on a fresh debian 8, is this the appropriate channel to ask about problems with the two ? |
| 17:40.53 | freemee | I like Debian, congretions from me! :) |
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| 17:41.30 | Arcademan | jmcnaught, the adwaita theme is the same : might be I will have to do some digging via the gnome shell files further |
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| 17:42.33 | joelwallis | Hi! I just saw the release of Debian 9 and I would like to use it, but my computer is a MacBook Pro |
| 17:42.38 | freemee | Your distribution is doing very well since now! :) |
| 17:42.54 | joelwallis | Does anyone here is using Debian on a MacBook Pro - either as dual boot or primary OS? |
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| 17:43.57 | zuiss1 | jmcnaught: i was always curious about how pia's installer is a 100+ mb .sh file |
| 17:44.03 | spacebug^ | joelwallis: maybe this can point you int he right direction https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro |
| 17:44.04 | freemee | !meeeeep! :) LOL |
| 17:44.21 | zuiss1 | how do you get a shell script that big |
| 17:44.27 | joelwallis | spacebug^: I have this opened right now, but it seems that its last update was on March 2010 |
| 17:44.31 | joelwallis | 7 years ago |
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| 17:44.50 | joelwallis | zuiss1: embedding binary files into it? |
| 17:45.00 | tw | zuiss1: are you familiar with the idea of a shar archive? |
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| 17:45.08 | zuiss1 | i didn't know you could do that |
| 17:45.12 | zuiss1 | tw: no |
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| 17:45.35 | freemee | Kill faggots on other distris, they wonly wants to be bad debian cool stuff! :) |
| 17:45.51 | spacebug^ | joelwallis: hum ok, well I don't know. Maybe still food for thought thogh? |
| 17:46.02 | greycat | freemee: Not acceptable. This is your first and last warning. |
| 17:46.18 | spacebug^ | freemee: please don't use words like faggots |
| 17:46.29 | BluesKaj | zuiss1, PIA's installer is just a .sh script |
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| 17:47.11 | freemee | HU is greycat on debian? :) |
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| 17:48.15 | likcoras | Is there anything wrong with adding /sbin and /usr/sbin to a non-root user's path? Just to I can use stuff like iw and poweroff? |
| 17:48.17 | zuiss1 | BluesKaj: why does it freeze up my system when i try to open it in a text editor then? lol |
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| 17:48.46 | greycat | likcoras: Some of the commands won't work (permission denied, operation not permitted), and some of them are just going to be plain cryptic. But it's not a problem. |
| 17:48.53 | spacebug^ | likcoras: even if it's in the path you canät use it using normal user |
| 17:49.22 | likcoras | well, I have polkit for the poweroff stuff, and stuff like `iw list` is doable as a non-root user. |
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| 17:49.34 | freemee | greycat: fakenews? :) |
| 17:49.36 | Winston11 | I added my user account to sudo by typing "adduser *username* sudo", but I'm still not sudo, any help? |
| 17:49.45 | greycat | Winston11: log out and back in |
| 17:50.04 | maher | texlive-fonts-extra has /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/fonts/truetype/public/droid/DroidSansMono.ttf - but it doesn't show up in fc-list - running fc-cache -fv doesn't seem to help - any advice? |
| 17:50.08 | Winston11 | greycat: will do thanks |
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| 17:50.40 | freemee | winsone11:fakenews? |
| 17:50.40 | BluesKaj | zuiss1, you downloaded the gui, there was a text shell scipt one could download from PIA , but I don't see it there anymore, maybe i need to look deeper into this |
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| 17:51.32 | freemee | multiple fakenews! :) |
| 17:51.46 | greycat | freemee: do you have a question? |
| 17:51.58 | freemee | no |
| 17:52.13 | zuiss1 | BluesKaj: ok no problem i am just using plain openvpn to connect from now on |
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| 17:53.20 | Winston11 | greycat: logging back in worked, thanks for answering my noobish question |
| 17:53.39 | freemee | looool |
| 17:53.45 | apurv | Touchpad settings is not showing in Debian 9 Xfce :( |
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| 17:54.08 | freemee | neeed speeeed! |
| 17:54.20 | freemee | #give me! |
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| 17:54.34 | maher | looking at https://packages.debian.org/source/jessie/fonts-android jessie has fonts-droid, but this disappears in stretch, just a udeb and the fallback package - does anyone know where the droid fonts went? |
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| 17:56.17 | apurv | can anyone help me with synaptics touchpad on debian 9 xfce? |
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| 17:56.47 | jhutchins_wk | apurv: We can't tell unless you say what the problem is. |
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| 17:56.55 | dax | maher: got killed upstream, https://github.com/googlei18n/noto-fonts/issues/555 |
| 17:57.04 | dax | maher: tl;dr: use fonts-noto |
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| 17:57.53 | apurv | jhutchins_wk, the touchpad settings is not visible under "mouse settings" in debian 9 xfce. I'm using synaptics touchpad. This setting has been visible on other Distro like Xubuntu, Manjaro Xfce, Mint... |
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| 17:58.34 | maher | dax: awesome - thanks! |
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| 17:58.46 | knstn | Why i get different ouput format & results from 'time ls' than '/usr/bin/time ls' since 'which time -> /usr/bin/time' ? |
| 17:59.48 | greycat | knstn: because "which" is shit, and is not a shell builtin. Try "type time" |
| 17:59.54 | tw | may be implemented by your shell, but which is not. |
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| 18:00.11 | tw | (actually which is a shell builtin on zsh, but that may not be relevant) |
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| 18:00.32 | greycat | interesting |
| 18:00.42 | knstn | 'type time -> time is a shell keyword' |
| 18:00.53 | greycat | But chances are he's on bash, and "time" is bash's keyword (super builtin). |
| 18:01.10 | knstn | yes.i'm on bash |
| 18:03.33 | knstn | so... which is the correct info? time ls or /usr/bin/time ls ??? |
| 18:04.01 | greycat | They're both correct, just different implementations and output formats. |
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| 18:04.50 | greycat | also note that each one has options for controlling its output format |
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| 18:07.00 | HoloIRCUser1 | Hmm anynee |
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| 18:07.31 | HoloIRCUser1 | Hmmm any news on how deployment upgrades are going |
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| 18:09.14 | apurv | HoloIRCUser1, no clue |
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| 18:09.29 | jpwhiting_ | hey all, I rebooted my debian stretch machine, and now am in an initiramfs busybox shell (after correctly entering the crypt password in ui) |
| 18:09.40 | jpwhiting_ | how do I figure out what's going on why it isn't showing lightdm etc. |
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| 18:10.22 | jpwhiting_ | dmesg log shows PM: Hibernation image not present or could not be loaded." but I didn't think I was restoring from hibernation, just a regular reboot... |
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| 18:10.29 | jpwhiting_ | I tried the previous kernel and get the same thing |
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| 18:12.50 | apurv | jpwhiting_, try this |
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| 18:12.58 | apurv | jpwhiting_, https://askubuntu.com/questions/137655/boot-drops-to-a-initramfs-prompts-busybox |
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| 18:13.19 | tomnor | on debian stretch, I get prompted to restart and install often throught the graphical window. Is there a way to say install but restart later? |
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| 18:14.23 | jpwhiting_ | apurv, which one? there are several ideas on there |
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| 18:14.58 | apurv | jpwhiting_, the first answer with 67 upvotes |
| 18:15.24 | jpwhiting_ | apurv, I didn't install onto an ntfs partition with windows dual boot |
| 18:15.27 | jpwhiting_ | just debian here |
| 18:16.11 | apurv | jpwhiting_, yes, the problem is just with the debian installation's superblock |
| 18:16.17 | jpwhiting_ | where it says "It seems that you have a bad superblock. To fix this:" how did they determine that the user has a bad superblock ? |
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| 18:16.27 | jpwhiting_ | are all boots into busybox indicating a superblock issue? |
| 18:16.29 | jmcnaught | tomnor: that's the GNOME software program? you can still install upgrades on the command line with apt or apt-get |
| 18:16.37 | apurv | jpwhiting_, check the first answer in the answers section, and not the question |
| 18:17.15 | tomnor | jmcnaught: yes, Gnome. Ok, you mean like apt update and apt upgrade? |
| 18:17.16 | apurv | jpwhiting_, I've faced similar issue earlier on numerous occasions, it was always bad superblock for me |
| 18:17.31 | jpwhiting_ | I see, ok |
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| 18:18.38 | jmcnaught | tomnor: yeah |
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| 18:19.17 | jpwhiting_ | apurv, and, in the busybox shell there's no dumpe2fs available... |
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| 18:19.23 | tomnor | jmcnaught: ok... But anyway. It seems a bit un-debian to me to just prompt the user to restart |
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| 18:19.27 | jpwhiting_ | it seems like my normal / partition isn't even mounted |
| 18:19.37 | jpwhiting_ | which dumpe2fs comes up blank |
| 18:19.50 | jpwhiting_ | same with fdisk |
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| 18:20.50 | likcoras | Uh, how do I install go 1.8 in stretch? golang-1.8 does exist, but installing it didn't give me the 'go' executable. apt-file says that "golang-go" has /usr/bin/go, but that package depends on golang-1.7 |
| 18:21.05 | likcoras | ANd it says that it's a metapackage anyway |
| 18:21.08 | apurv | jpwhiting_, use a live CD |
| 18:21.10 | jmcnaught | tomnor: it's a new feature made available in the new systemd in stretch that boots into a minimal environment to install upgrades. https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/SystemUpdates/ |
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| 18:21.18 | jpwhiting_ | apurv, k, fun stuff... |
| 18:21.19 | jpwhiting_ | thanks |
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| 18:21.35 | greycat | ,v golang |
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| 18:21.37 | judd | Package: golang on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.0.2-1.1; wheezy-backports: 2:1.3.3-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:1.3.3-1; jessie-backports: 2:1.5.1-4~bpo8+1; jessie-backports: 2:1.7~5~bpo8+1; sid: 2:1.7~5; stretch: 2:1.7~5; buster: 2:1.7~5; experimental: 2:1.8~2 |
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| 18:21.39 | jmcnaught | actually the man page that link links too is probably better |
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| 18:21.44 | tomnor | jmcnaught: Thanks for info and the link |
| 18:21.44 | apurv | jpwhiting_, I hope you're having a live CD around |
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| 18:22.06 | jpwhiting_ | apurv, yeah, I have a few, they are old though, will try with a live usb instead, since I have many newer isos around |
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| 18:22.27 | likcoras | I looked around, golang-1.8-go installs binaries into /usr/lib/go-1.8/bin, but that's not in my PATH. |
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| 18:22.46 | greycat | likcoras: as judd says, golang is version 1.7 in all releases of debian right now, even sid |
| 18:22.50 | apurv | jpwhiting_, yeah that will work too.. it's just I'm in a habit of addressing them as "live CD" |
| 18:22.56 | likcoras | ,v golang-1.8 |
| 18:22.57 | judd | Package: golang-1.8 on amd64 -- sid: 1.8.1-1; buster: 1.8.1-1; stretch: 1.8.1-1; sid: 1.8.3-1 |
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| 18:23.41 | likcoras | I guess I'll just add /usr/lib/go-1.8/binto my PATH for now. |
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| 18:24.03 | kstange | is there any plan to release debian live "web boot" images for stretch, or are the ISOs suitable/convertible for a PXE boot environment? |
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| 18:28.00 | Temuthril | grub currently points to /dev/sdc1 as my boot drive, but if I add another device to the system, the actual boot drive gets booted to /dev/sdd1, and it doesn't boot anymore |
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| 18:28.13 | Temuthril | would it be safe to have grub point to the drive with uuid instead? |
| 18:28.21 | likcoras | Temuthril: yep. |
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| 18:28.36 | Temuthril | that sounds like it'd fix things nicely, thanks |
| 18:28.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | UUIDs are the preferred choice. |
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| 18:29.03 | tomnor | jmcnaught: are you on Gnome? May I ask your workflow on this for curiosity? |
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| 18:29.15 | ForceRecon | I have to admit I am a little bummed out by 9 not working a semi state of the art PC with 3 monitors. Won't even boot the live cd. Shame.. Been through 8 different ways of getting this to function with no good results.. I was hoping to replace windows.. hmmm.. |
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| 18:30.49 | at0m | ForceRecon: the live cd doesn't support EFI, afaik. |
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| 18:32.09 | ForceRecon | 27 month of development.. you would think EFI and video drivers would be at the top of the list. |
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| 18:32.56 | at0m | ForceRecon: from what i understand, one dev did the live cd years ago and quit not long after |
| 18:33.10 | at0m | that was before EFI |
| 18:33.52 | Bliepo | Stretch has EFI support: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-installing.en.html |
| 18:33.57 | greycat | The stretch live CDs are *supposed* to support installations, I think, but they are currently not working. |
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| 18:34.31 | ForceRecon | yeah.. that's good.. guess Ill wait for Buster.. |
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| 18:34.59 | at0m | so, get an installer iso, dd it to a stick, and install on another usb stick to try it out |
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| 18:36.51 | ForceRecon | I really don't want to wipe out my main pc in HOPES that it might work.. |
| 18:36.55 | ForceRecon | but I hear ya |
| 18:37.01 | one_over | you can use a gui front if you don't want to use cli |
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| 18:37.33 | at0m | ForceRecon: you don't need to wipe any of your main pc using the method i described |
| 18:37.57 | one_over | dd if=/dev/sdxx of=/path/to/iso status=progress |
| 18:37.58 | at0m | ForceRecon: when unsure, disconnect your harddrives eh |
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| 18:44.11 | jhutchins_wk | ForceRecon: Linux has had dual-boot capability pretty much from the beginning of the project. |
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| 18:44.48 | one_over | it's easy to mess up an os with dual boot |
| 18:44.50 | L00P3X | would it be easy as on Lubuntu to install ubuntuStudio-desktop audio Apps and cores on Debian? Best regards. would love to make music over debian |
| 18:45.02 | jhutchins_wk | ForceRecon: You should also understand that since there is not corporation that is Debian, most of the development gets done "upstream" by various project teams, with the Debian volunteers primarily working on integration and packaging. |
| 18:45.28 | jhutchins_wk | one_over: I've never had any trouble with it. |
| 18:46.05 | jhutchins_wk | one_over: Which just means I'm not familiar in ways that it can mess up. |
| 18:46.12 | somiaj | L00P3X: it is usually a bad idea to install software made for ubuntu in Debian. You will want to ensure you get a package made for debian, or build one yourself. |
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| 18:46.32 | somiaj | L00P3X: and by software, I mean software packages. The software should work, but the packages will not be designed to be compadable with debian. |
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| 18:46.37 | Divergenz | Howto automount .iso files in debian 8 xfce? I mean automount per direct click. Is gmountiso working fine ? The solution should be very easy because I'm beginner. |
| 18:46.39 | jhutchins_wk | one_over: I've done dual-boot with several versions of Windows and with other versions of linux as well. |
| 18:46.54 | notme | hello, i use the debian live dvd iso images to use then for an PXE server to let other clients to boot into debian. with debian 8.8.0 everything was ok, but with debian 9.0 i have trouble. the iso is mounted with permissions only for root. so that a PXE client is not able to boot. |
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| 18:47.05 | one_over | windows updates, partition resizeing, |
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| 18:48.21 | jhutchins_wk | one_over: Updates shouldn't be a problem, although doing a restore from restore disks or partitions can wipe out Linux. Partition resizing has always required paying close attention to the process. |
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| 18:48.59 | dax | i've had Win10 feature updates (i.e. the 1-2 times a year big ones) wipe out Veracrypt's bootloader, I assume they'd wipe out GRUB too |
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| 18:49.19 | dax | I used to not believe when people said that happens, then it happened to me :\ |
| 18:49.26 | one_over | veracrypt bootloader use a fork of grub |
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| 18:51.07 | kstange | I decided to use two separate physical devices for windows and linux dual boot with windows on the first disk, and it seems to reliably ignore the linux installation, even though I have grub getting booted on the second device |
| 18:51.28 | dax | yeah, I usually use multiple disks at home and have never had a problem. above issue was at work, with single disk |
| 18:52.15 | greycat | You have Windows 10 at work? Weird. |
| 18:52.15 | alekz | are ppl still using win? |
| 18:52.15 | alekz | xD |
| 18:52.21 | kstange | we do windows 10 here at my job also |
| 18:52.28 | greycat | Yeah, we just moved up from Windows XP less than 2 years ago. |
| 18:52.35 | dax | greycat: yeah, we're towards the beginning of a phased rollout |
| 18:52.52 | greycat | Moved up to Windows 7. |
| 18:52.57 | dax | we finished dropping XP a few months before it died |
| 18:53.03 | kstange | nobody gets booted off windows 7 if they're on it, but all the new installs get 10 |
| 18:53.07 | one_over | windows will still maintain dominance on laptops and desktops for years to come. |
| 18:53.09 | kstange | 7, 8, etc |
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| 18:53.13 | dax | plan is to have more breathing room this time around |
| 18:53.17 | Divergenz | Howto automount .iso files in debian 8 xfce? I mean automount per direct click. Is gmountiso working fine ? The solution should be very easy because I'm beginner. |
| 18:53.21 | dax | kstange: yeah, that's about where we're at |
| 18:53.32 | jhutchins_wk | W10 here as well, but home's been pure linux for 10+ years. |
| 18:53.34 | greycat | Divergenz: get a root shell, use mount -o loopback filename.iso /mountpoint |
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| 18:54.04 | one_over | At least microsoft is honest about the spyware in windows 10 |
| 18:54.08 | greycat | setting that up with a GUI will be about 200x as much work. |
| 18:54.11 | Divergenz | It should be directly per one click without command line |
| 18:54.18 | greycat | Good luck with that. |
| 18:54.48 | Divergenz | hm are you sure? |
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| 18:55.10 | Divergenz | i mean there are some tools around. i'm not sure about xfce |
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| 18:56.00 | jhutchins_wk | Divergenz: It would probably be the file browser that managed it if you're talking about automatically mounting and opening the iso when you click on it. |
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| 18:57.46 | Divergenz | yeh, atm my file browser ask me howto burn the iso file Oo |
| 18:57.53 | random_numbers | The whole "prefered program" used to open things is entirely dependent on the file-manager, correct? |
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| 18:58.21 | tw | random_numbers: no, freedesktop specification. |
| 18:58.23 | jhutchins_wk | notme: Change your mount options in fstab. |
| 18:58.25 | greycat | Either the file manager or the desktop environment's policy, I would guess. |
| 18:58.28 | greycat | I don't use either of these things. |
| 18:58.40 | Violinist | wer the hell is the new screenlock |
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| 18:58.47 | random_numbers | tw: Ah, thanks. |
| 18:58.48 | greycat | Violinist: I just use i3lock. |
| 18:58.48 | jhutchins_wk | Divergenz: That's a sensible thing to do with an iso. |
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| 18:58.59 | Violinist | alt ctl l not work |
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| 18:59.05 | greycat | jessie didn't have xlock(more) either, so I've been using i3lock since at least then. |
| 18:59.11 | random_numbers | Violinist: Did you set it up to do so? |
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| 18:59.23 | Divergenz | i will try gmountiso... maybe it will open my iso files directly |
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| 18:59.34 | jhutchins_wk | I thought how different filetypes were handled was managed through mime. |
| 18:59.56 | jhutchins_wk | Divergenz: You understand that they'll be RO, righty? |
| 19:00.00 | random_numbers | tw: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/mime-apps-spec/mime-apps-spec-1.0.1.html This would be the correct documentation, yes? |
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| 19:00.29 | tw | random_numbers: yes, that should be it. |
| 19:00.41 | random_numbers | tw: Thanks for pointing me the right way. |
| 19:00.58 | Divergenz | jhutchins_wk, R0? |
| 19:01.03 | greycat | RO = read only |
| 19:01.46 | Divergenz | ok |
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| 19:02.33 | Violinist | is there a keyboad shortcut for screenlock? |
| 19:02.48 | greycat | That would be a feature of your window manager. |
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| 19:02.52 | DammitJim1 | oh my system it's Ctrl + Alt + L |
| 19:02.58 | DammitJim1 | but I'm on enlightenment |
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| 19:03.41 | greycat | Whichever key combo you choose, next year (or this year), some web browser will take it and collide with your choice. |
| 19:04.06 | random_numbers | ~/.config/mimeapps.list would be the one, oh that's neat. And mimeopen to manage associations. Well, making a whole desktop from the plain Standard install done. |
| 19:04.08 | random_numbers | :D |
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| 19:05.11 | greycat | I had to add Key (Google-chrome) B A SC -- to my .fvwm2rc file |
| 19:05.43 | greycat | And then google-chrome CHANGED itself, because Not Breaking Things Is Too Boring, so then I also had to add Key (*google-chrome) B A SC -- |
| 19:06.03 | sonOfRa | I just use META ("windows") + L |
| 19:06.45 | notme | stupid me... thanks, with adding mode=555 it seems to work. |
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| 19:11.43 | Violinist | u r stupid |
| 19:12.06 | darme | i have just installed icedove, and it hangs looking up for email provider, when i enter my gmail credentials |
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| 19:12.13 | darme | any ideas whi? |
| 19:12.26 | notme | hmmm ... no, not working. any idea, what i have to add to fstab, to mount the iso with "dr-xr-xr-x" permissions instead of "drwx------" |
| 19:12.28 | Violinist | yeah there is anew oauth |
| 19:12.30 | Violinist | thing |
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| 19:12.41 | Violinist | u need to change it to diff auth method |
| 19:12.42 | random_numbers | darme: Did you check decent upstream bugs to see if it's mentioned? |
| 19:12.43 | Olufunmilayo | darme which version of icedove? |
| 19:12.52 | random_numbers | s/decent/recent/ |
| 19:13.17 | Olufunmilayo | because one of the versions has a bug where it hands on the gmail oauth |
| 19:13.47 | Olufunmilayo | you have to authenticate via less secure |
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| 19:13.55 | Olufunmilayo | until they patch |
| 19:14.17 | Violinist | no its jst that stupid google popup is tarded |
| 19:14.17 | darme | its thunderbird 45.8 |
| 19:14.21 | Violinist | and u cant click it |
| 19:14.25 | greycat | notme: "man mount" for iso9660 file systems has "mode=..." so you could try mode=0555 |
| 19:14.31 | Violinist | thats so dumb google |
| 19:15.01 | Violinist | they made a website popup for desktop program? |
| 19:15.05 | Violinist | so dum |
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| 19:15.09 | Olufunmilayo | it is a error, its known, it will be patched one of these days |
| 19:15.23 | Violinist | doood its a web popup |
| 19:15.45 | Violinist | i got rid of it by switching away from oauth login |
| 19:16.02 | Olufunmilayo | <Olufunmilayo> because one of the versions has a bug where it hands on the gmail oauth |
| 19:16.02 | Olufunmilayo | <Olufunmilayo> you have to authenticate via less secure |
| 19:16.03 | tw | It's every xoauth2 implementation, not just desktop apps. Mobile apps have to do the same thing. |
| 19:16.08 | Violinist | its monkey business |
| 19:16.24 | Violinist | dood u can use auth |
| 19:16.28 | Violinist | oauth |
| 19:16.31 | tw | Basically it's so you don't put your password in plaintext in anything except an ssl browser session. |
| 19:16.35 | Violinist | just make sure u build it right |
| 19:16.38 | Violinist | into the gui |
| 19:16.40 | tw | they derprecated oauth. |
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| 19:16.51 | greycat | hah! "derprecated" |
| 19:16.54 | Violinist | man im talking about oauth2 |
| 19:17.05 | Violinist | fuk |
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| 19:17.10 | notme | i tried mode=555, but it still stays at "drwx------" |
| 19:17.15 | Violinist | get w the right versions |
| 19:17.23 | greycat | notme: the 0 is significant, as the man page says. 0555 |
| 19:17.40 | greycat | notme: if that still doesn't work, then I don't know |
| 19:18.15 | greycat | (Note also, the man page says this is only for NON-Rock-Ridge file systems, so if your iso9660 was built with Rock Ridge extensions, which include permissions inside the file system, then it does nothing.) |
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| 19:20.10 | notme | i used the "iso-hybrid/debian-live-9.0.0-amd64-lxde.iso" image there i have that trouble mode=0555 or mode=555 doesn't matter - no luck. in the previouse iso "iso-hybrid/debian-live-8.8.0-amd64-lxde.iso" i didn't had that problem. |
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| 19:20.33 | greycat | Oh, it's not an image that you created. Then it was probably built with Joliet and Rock Ridge and the kitchen sink. |
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| 19:22.22 | notme | did something changes in the isos from "debian-live-8.8.0-amd64-lxde-desktop.iso" to "debian-live-9.0.0-amd64-lxde.iso" that influence that mount point permissions? |
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| 19:22.46 | user____ | how to enter into maintainance mode manually? |
| 19:23.15 | greycat | notme: ask the #debian-live people in OFTC |
| 19:23.52 | notme | thanks, didn't know, that this channel exists. |
| 19:24.18 | greycat | user____: in grub, press 'e' to edit the boot parameters, and add "single" as a parameter |
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| 19:24.35 | user____ | ok |
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| 19:41.12 | Olufunmilayo | so I'm stuck with a error "device eth0 has a mac address 00:00:00 instead of configured mac, randomizing mac" which leads to you guessed it the ethernet not working and for some reason also the wifi, no I'm running dektopless so pure console just fyi, Ive looked all over the net and the answer to the problem is to replace the mac which is /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 with the actual mac, however ding ding ding you guessed |
| 19:41.12 | Olufunmilayo | it this is debian and it does not have said dir or file so anyone have any clue? it is a nvida chipset, driver is and don't laugh forcedeth |
| 19:41.23 | Olufunmilayo | any help would be greatly appreciated |
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| 19:42.27 | jmcnaught | Olufunmilayo: what is the whole line for that error? did you remove the text that shows where the error came from? Also which method do you use to configure networking? |
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| 19:42.54 | greycat | I would also read the entire dmesg, *everything* that has to deal with networking at all, looking for other clues. |
| 19:43.06 | Olufunmilayo | jmcnaught, it displays the error on boot and I am not able to configure networking at all, not even during install |
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| 19:43.35 | jmcnaught | while looking for messages in dmesg, look for errors about missing firmware |
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| 19:44.00 | greycat | yeah, that would qualify as a clue |
| 19:44.36 | Olufunmilayo | I'm reinstalling 32bit atm, to see if maybe that is apart of the issue |
| 19:44.40 | Olufunmilayo | however I don't think so |
| 19:44.46 | greycat | highly doubtful |
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| 19:45.30 | Olufunmilayo | flips a table |
| 19:45.35 | one_over | I wonder why people still use 32 bit |
| 19:45.51 | Olufunmilayo | well with 32 bit I was able to auth and connect to the wifi hotspot, ethernet is still down however |
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| 19:46.25 | one_over | you can still run 32 bit software |
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| 19:46.28 | one_over | with a 64 bit install |
| 19:46.42 | Olufunmilayo | mhm that I know |
| 19:46.48 | Olufunmilayo | this is making no sense to me at all |
| 19:47.08 | BCMM | one_over: there are those intel laptop chips with no 64 bit |
| 19:47.11 | BCMM | relatively recently |
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| 19:47.55 | Olufunmilayo | this is a AMD |
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| 19:48.01 | Olufunmilayo | older amd |
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| 19:48.26 | random_numbers | A break in 64 yet the same program in 32 working implies a problem with that program. |
| 19:48.35 | Olufunmilayo | priceless, I come in to ask for help and it starts working |
| 19:48.39 | Olufunmilayo | go figure |
| 19:48.41 | random_numbers | Magic. |
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| 19:49.07 | Olufunmilayo | the magic of 32 bit and swallowing ones pride lol |
| 19:49.47 | Olufunmilayo | this issue seems to be or was popular with cent os and RHL |
| 19:50.22 | Olufunmilayo | which is why I was confused and still want to know what the debian ver of /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth is |
| 19:50.41 | greycat | interfaces are configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:51.05 | Olufunmilayo | right but /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth* holds a hardcoded mac |
| 19:51.10 | greycat | you can specify "hwaddress" apparently, but I've never tried it |
| 19:51.10 | Olufunmilayo | where interfaces does not |
| 19:51.19 | Olufunmilayo | huh, well ok |
| 19:51.21 | greycat | it's in interfaces(5) |
| 19:51.23 | Olufunmilayo | did not know that |
| 19:51.28 | greycat | search for MAC, nothing, search for link |
| 19:51.46 | Infra_HDC | i disabled lightdm by "systemctl disable lightdm" and can not enable it.... |
| 19:52.20 | Infra_HDC | but manually startting ok |
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| 19:53.23 | random_numbers | reenable? |
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| 19:56.07 | Infra_HDC | random_numbers did not help. it talks me about some SysV scripts |
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| 19:56.36 | jmcnaught | Infra_HDC: what does "systemctl status lightdm" say after you enabled it? |
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| 19:57.31 | random_numbers | Hm... other users, would using `apt-get install --reinstall lightdm` be a bad advice to give? |
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| 19:57.46 | greycat | I'd wait and see what the systemctl status is |
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| 19:58.14 | jmcnaught | it's normal on debian for "systemctl enable…" to mention init scripts, because debian keeps systemd units and init scripts sorta in sync to facilitate switching between the two inits |
| 19:58.44 | Infra_HDC | jmcnaught Loaded: loaded Active: inactive (dead) |
| 19:58.46 | random_numbers | Oh wait, on running the command it talked about it? That can be fine. It depends on status. |
| 19:59.03 | random_numbers | Did you also run systemctl start lightdm.service |
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| 19:59.23 | greycat | systemctl status gives WAY more than one line... |
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| 19:59.58 | jmcnaught | also the Loaded line has more information on it than that, please use a paste instead of paraphrasing |
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| 20:01.43 | user___ | how to unmount rootfs in single user mode? |
| 20:01.53 | greycat | You can't unmount the root file system. |
| 20:02.16 | greycat | If you require a state with that not mounted, you have to boot from some other medium (rescue CD, etc.) |
| 20:02.31 | user___ | i want to disable ext4 journaling |
| 20:02.34 | random_numbers | You'll need to use a live boot or to use the grub shell. |
| 20:02.52 | random_numbers | user___: Also, that's normally a setting in your fstab file. |
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| 20:03.08 | cef | Olufunmilayo: mapping is in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 20:03.37 | greycat | If it's a tune2fs option, you can probably just remount the file system read-only. No need to fully umount. |
| 20:03.52 | user___ | ok how to do dat |
| 20:03.52 | cef | greycat: the stuff in interfaces afaik "changes" the interface to that mac if the interface supports changing mac. |
| 20:04.29 | greycat | cef: that's what he wants, right? |
| 20:05.04 | cef | greycat: no. he wants to map an interface with a specific mac to eth0 or eth1 or whatever. |
| 20:05.26 | Infra_HDC | jmcnaught https://pastebin.com/Muy5EEdi |
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| 20:05.44 | cef | greycat: hence udev. :/ |
| 20:05.46 | greycat | that's not what I got at all. his initial complaint was that his networking didn't work with the symptom being a message that his interface had MAC 00:00:00:00:00:00 |
| 20:06.15 | cef | greycat: ok.. my mistake. |
| 20:06.39 | greycat | 15:41 Olufunmilayo> so I'm stuck with a error "device eth0 has a mac address 00:00:00 instead of configured mac, randomizing mac" ... ethernet not working |
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| 20:07.08 | greycat | no idea why the randomized MAC didn't work, or how it got set to 00:00:00:00:00:00 in the first place |
| 20:07.25 | jmcnaught | Infra_HDC: look again at "systemctl status lightdm" and tell us the path to the file referenced in the Loaded line, and also make that a paste please ☺ |
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| 20:07.50 | cef | might have gotten stored that way in udev too, so yeah.. still probably worth looking at udev *sigh* |
| 20:08.13 | id10t | i gots a packages question... seems base install of stretch (nothing except "standard system utilities" selected during install) doesn't have things like ifconfig and route ... a dist-upgrade from jessie keeps them. what is the best method of determining which packages are in each "base install" jessie vs stretch ? |
| 20:08.27 | jmcnaught | Infra_HDC: also run "systemd-delta" to see if there are any overrides for the lightdm unit |
| 20:08.35 | greycat | id10t: ip replaces ifconfig as the default tool |
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| 20:08.55 | user___ | mount -r -o remount / (in single user mode)? |
| 20:09.03 | greycat | -o remount,ro |
| 20:09.10 | greycat | ... or I guess your -r would also work |
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| 20:09.28 | one_over | thanks to ryzen we no longer need to suffer under the intel regime |
| 20:09.28 | f4cl3y | 231///////////// |
| 20:09.36 | jmcnaught | id10t: are you sure they're not just in /sbin which is not in a regular user's $PATH? |
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| 20:10.02 | greycat | jmcnaught: on a fresh stretch install, ifconfig is not installed |
| 20:10.19 | id10t | jmcnaught: yeah, logged in as root (quick test vm to see what is different... ifconfig/route vs. ip seems to be one of them |
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| 20:11.15 | one_over | 8 core cpu for 250 dollars |
| 20:11.18 | jmcnaught | greycat: oh thanks |
| 20:11.20 | id10t | greycat: is there a recommended list of changes like this that make sense for an end user? |
| 20:11.36 | Infra_HDC | https://pastebin.com/E5cr8ixg |
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| 20:11.47 | greycat | I can add that to NewInStretch since people seem to be puzzled by it |
| 20:12.13 | Infra_HDC | https://pastebin.com/414k1MZA |
| 20:12.15 | cef | one_over: so, about what I paid for my intel i7-7700. :P |
| 20:12.47 | one_over | Well you're getting 50% more cpu for less |
| 20:12.55 | jmcnaught | oh and it's also in the release notes for stretch. ifconfig was deprecated almost a decade ago so it shouldn't be that big a surprise |
| 20:13.26 | cef | one_over: that said, this is a debian support channel. not specifically somewhere to talk about CPU's. |
| 20:14.38 | jmcnaught | Infra_HDC: systemctl is telling you that lightdm is enabled (which means it will start on boot). Were you trying other commands besides systemctl to get this to work? What does "systemctl start lightdm" do? |
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| 20:15.29 | Infra_HDC | jmcnaught "systemctl start lightdm" manually starts lightdm |
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| 20:16.02 | cef | Infra_HDC: so does it also start on boot now? |
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| 20:17.01 | Infra_HDC | cef this is the problem |
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| 20:17.37 | jmcnaught | Infra_HDC: please define the problem |
| 20:17.40 | tuxcraft1r | when installing a package there is sometimes a dialog that ask to overwrite the config file |
| 20:17.41 | user___ | tried. show "/ is busy" |
| 20:17.56 | tuxcraft1r | how do i get this dialog back when installing a package |
| 20:18.16 | tuxcraft1r | i tried dpkg-reconfigure package |
| 20:18.19 | cef | user___: something is writing to the filesystem. probably logging? |
| 20:18.38 | user___ | idk |
| 20:18.39 | Infra_HDC | jmcnaught after systemctl disable lightdm no start dm at boot |
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| 20:19.02 | jmcnaught | Infra_HDC: don't disable lightdm if you want it to start at boot |
| 20:19.04 | Olufunmilayo | well it installed and updated over wifi but is still throwing up a mac error |
| 20:19.20 | cef | Infra_HDC: 'disable' does just that.. you've 'enable'd it since? |
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| 20:20.44 | cef | Infra_HDC: do you want a different dm to start at boot? |
| 20:20.55 | Infra_HDC | i want to enamble dm to it will start at boot |
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| 20:21.57 | Infra_HDC | hm |
| 20:22.02 | jmcnaught | Infra_HDC: when you look at "systemctl status lightdm" and the loaded line says "enabled" then it should start at boot. did you test? |
| 20:22.04 | Infra_HDC | thanks all |
| 20:23.18 | Infra_HDC | it doesnt work at boot. i go to sleep |
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| 20:25.10 | jmcnaught | Infra_HDC: if something that is supposed to start at boot does not, you need to check logs. When you try again tomorrow, look at "journalctl -u lightdm" as a starting point |
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| 20:25.51 | Dollar | Can anyone help me? I did a fresh debian 8 install and my terminal is getting flooded with "i2c i2c-2: sendbytes: NAK bailout." |
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| 20:26.32 | jmcnaught | Infra_HDC: your https://pastebin.com/Muy5EEdi is something i have not seen before, so i suspect you tried perhaps outdated instructions that might have messed things up. anyways good luck. |
| 20:28.18 | jhutchins_wk | Dollar: Need to investigate your network hardware config. |
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| 20:28.52 | cef | Olufunmilayo: does /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules have anything notable in it? |
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| 20:29.27 | cef | Olufunmilayo: and is it just wifi that isn't working? |
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| 20:33.59 | max_nl | Has anyone already installed Debian 9 DVD iso from USB? |
| 20:34.08 | greycat | I'm sure someone in the world has done so. |
| 20:34.30 | max_nl | I get an read error. On multiple usb devices. |
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| 20:35.41 | cef | max_nl: using gui or console? |
| 20:36.13 | max_nl | gui. Should I try console? |
| 20:36.43 | cef | max_nl: not specifically. just checking cos I saw someone have issues with console a while ago. |
| 20:37.04 | cef | max_nl: how are you preparing the USB key and transferrinf the iso to it? |
| 20:37.11 | max_nl | dd |
| 20:37.12 | jhutchins_wk | max_nl: You get a read error when you do what? |
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| 20:37.28 | jhutchins_wk | max_nl: Did you verify the checksum of your download? |
| 20:37.33 | Dollar | jhutchins_wk: how sure are you that is the network hardware and not video? |
| 20:38.02 | max_nl | In the installer when I sellect "Load installer components from CD" and not selecting anything. |
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| 20:38.50 | jmcnaught | max_nl: what was the full dd command that you used? you made sure to copy to the device, and not to a partition? |
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| 20:39.33 | max_nl | Yes I know it should be the device. |
| 20:39.49 | max_nl | '/dev/sdd' in my specific case. |
| 20:40.02 | jmcnaught | well we don't have to ask so many clarifying questions if you provide full answers ☺ |
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| 20:41.16 | jhutchins_wk | Dollar: You're right, more likely video. I misinterpreted "sendbytes" as a network function. |
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| 20:42.09 | max_nl | But it gives an error when running CD-rom integrity on the file './pool/main/g/gnustep-base/gnustep-base-runtime_1.24.9-3-1_amd.deb", it says it failed the MD5 checksum verification..? |
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| 20:43.32 | jhutchins_wk | max_nl: Which brings us back to the checksum of the iso file. |
| 20:43.35 | max_nl | I'm checking that now. |
| 20:43.53 | tobyblack | Hey, I have troubles with capabilites and want to run a python script with several capabilites. How can I do that? Is capsh a possible solution? |
| 20:44.02 | max_nl | I have done a lot of installations like this, but this is the first time I get a problem like this. |
| 20:44.05 | jmcnaught | if the network connection on the target computer is decent, it makes better sense to use the netinst image |
| 20:44.18 | cef | max_nl: did you d/load or torrent? |
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| 20:44.25 | max_nl | torrent |
| 20:45.01 | cef | max_nl: checked the integrity of the torrent? probably a bad block. |
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| 20:45.44 | max_nl | Ow well. The hash is completly different... |
| 20:45.52 | max_nl | Not sure how that happend. |
| 20:46.16 | cef | max_nl: check the integrity of your torrent in the torrent client. it might just be a single bad block |
| 20:46.31 | cef | max_nl: the client should mark the block as bad and d/load it again. |
| 20:47.14 | wonderfulmee | also stop pirating shit |
| 20:48.09 | max_nl | Lol. |
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| 20:59.45 | nils_ | I'm having a bit of trouble automatically updating a bunch of servers, basically I spawn a lot of terminal tabs that send a command via ssh, however it always asks me to set postfix configuration (I'm fairly certain postfix is already configured) |
| 21:00.50 | jmcnaught | what exactly does it say? |
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| 21:03.31 | scottchiefbaker | I'm trying to build a base Debian9 VM image... I need the VM to generate new SSH keys (so they're unique for each VM) when the VM boots. How can I do this? |
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| 21:04.33 | nils_ | scottchiefbaker, are you using something like cloud-init? |
| 21:04.37 | greycat | install the packages, remove the host keys, copy the key generation code out of /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst into a new script that you place somewhere, and run it from /etc/rc.local |
| 21:04.53 | scottchiefbaker | nils_, No this is a one-off local VM |
| 21:04.59 | greycat | (aborting if the keys already exist, obviously) |
| 21:05.08 | scottchiefbaker | On redhat I can just rm /etc/ssh/*key* and it will notice and regenerate keys on boot |
| 21:05.10 | koollman | I would rather do : test -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key || dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server . doesn't the init script does something like that anyway ? |
| 21:05.22 | nils_ | greycat, that would mean ssh doesn't start at boot if it can't find the host keys I would guess? Maybe add it as a systemd unit ExecStartPre |
| 21:05.32 | koollman | ah, maybe just the redhat one, then. Well, dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server would be ok :) |
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| 21:06.05 | koollman | (or just call the right ssh-keygen for rsa, dsa and ecdsa) |
| 21:06.13 | greycat | nils_: oh hmm, right, might need to mess with the actual ssh.service to make it do things in the right order |
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| 21:06.53 | cujotus | lolz greycat |
| 21:06.55 | nils_ | so I would add a file in /etc/systemd/system/sshd.service.d/ where I set execstartpre to a script that generates the key |
| 21:07.05 | nils_ | assuming you are using systemd |
| 21:07.39 | greycat | nils_: very important, cannot stress enough: it is ssh.service and not sshd.service |
| 21:08.07 | greycat | if you use the alias (sshd.service) in your drop-in config thingy, it will not work. I have learned these things the Very Hard Way. |
| 21:08.59 | nils_ | yeah I 'member falling flat on my face with that one a few times as well. |
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| 21:09.12 | greycat | Mine was recent enough that I am still on alert for it. |
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| 21:12.04 | nils_ | https://paste.debian.net/972255/ this is what I use, however the readline frontend doesn't seem to accept any input. |
| 21:13.06 | greycat | Another interesting question is how much entropy is available at boot time for key generation... but if he says Red Hat does this on a regular basis, it must be acceptable. |
| 21:14.05 | nils_ | I think ssh-keygen waits for entropy? |
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| 21:14.29 | nils_ | depending on the virtualization it might also be seeded with entropy from the host I think? |
| 21:14.34 | greycat | Ah. |
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| 21:37.21 | wonderfulmee | did I rejoin the right channel |
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| 21:37.53 | wonderfulmee | I was on both #linux and #debian |
| 21:38.21 | wonderfulmee | nice guys were on one of them |
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| 21:39.24 | zeta | yes. |
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| 21:40.34 | wonderfulmee | yes you too. |
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| 21:41.07 | wonderfulmee | anyone has a great music mix on https://radio.yandex.ru |
| 21:41.18 | wonderfulmee | their mixes are not exactly to my liking |
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| 21:42.56 | wonderfulmee | is there a bugzilla wizard round here? |
| 21:43.08 | wonderfulmee | as in, mozilla bugzilla |
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| 21:54.30 | ewew | Hi. Can someone tell me why there is a soft ulimit on openfiles 1024 ? |
| 21:55.10 | ewew | this causes google-chrome with many tabs go bananas. |
| 21:55.44 | wonderfulmee | how exactly did you come to that conclusion? |
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| 21:56.02 | wonderfulmee | and how many tabs we're talking |
| 21:56.37 | ewew | the google-chrome went snap. so i tried to raise this limit. |
| 21:56.47 | ewew | i estimate 30 on five windows of chrome. |
| 21:56.53 | wonderfulmee | that's not google chrome, that's you using linux in ways not supposed |
| 21:57.33 | ewew | its a fresh install. no crazy modifications. |
| 21:57.43 | wonderfulmee | look elsewhere |
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| 21:58.01 | ewew | the .xsession-errors did not tell me much. |
| 21:58.25 | wonderfulmee | not supposed to |
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| 21:59.10 | wonderfulmee | what VM are you running this under? |
| 21:59.31 | ewew | this happened on physical hw. |
| 21:59.39 | wonderfulmee | no idea then. |
| 21:59.55 | wonderfulmee | try not installing linux on real physical hw. |
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| 22:00.57 | wonderfulmee | you ran the ram tests and your win10 is running fine? |
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| 22:01.36 | ewew | its caused by number of filedescriptors used by chrome. i found out that even filedescriptor count as open files.lets say one tab has 10 descriptors. then 30 pages times 10 and time 5. |
| 22:01.51 | ewew | im running on linux only. |
| 22:02.04 | wonderfulmee | the nuber of FD's shouldn't matter in the least. |
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| 22:02.35 | wonderfulmee | try running a proper OS, like WIndows 10. |
| 22:02.54 | ewew | this is provocation ? |
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| 22:03.28 | wonderfulmee | sounds like a hardware problem. no linux distribution from the get go would go "shutdown all the bases" |
| 22:03.48 | wonderfulmee | nah, it's a stress test |
| 22:04.44 | ewew | actually its using 17 fd`s per proccess. |
| 22:04.53 | wonderfulmee | there's a valid possibility that you're not alright, hardware-wise |
| 22:04.59 | koollman | ewew: that's pretty far from 1024 |
| 22:05.17 | ewew | but other things running on the userid. |
| 22:05.48 | wonderfulmee | if Windows installs and runs, come again. |
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| 22:07.54 | wonderfulmee | also bring more details, as in where the install fails. |
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| 22:10.53 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 22:10.54 | ConnS | ElectricElf ever around anymore? |
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| 22:11.21 | ConnS | I hope hes not locked in his titanium MIL box working on servers. |
| 22:11.35 | tobiasBora | I'm trying to read a content from /dev/ttyACM1, and output it in a file... For now I use screen /dev/ttyACM1 115200 to read the files |
| 22:11.36 | ConnS | with guard posted at the doors detaining him. |
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| 22:11.44 | wonderfulmee | working on servers is the hardest. |
| 22:11.51 | tobiasBora | but I don't know how to output that to a file |
| 22:12.05 | tobiasBora | do you have any idea to redirect /dev/ttyACM1 outputs to a given file ? |
| 22:12.28 | wonderfulmee | you're working on them servers and suddenly nothing installs anymore. |
| 22:12.54 | tobiasBora | Hum, I found socat that works. If you have a better way, please let me know |
| 22:12.54 | wonderfulmee | turns out you're an apple commercial. |
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| 22:13.56 | wonderfulmee | ssh forwarding? |
| 22:14.17 | wonderfulmee | as to the "socat question" |
| 22:14.56 | Guest67285 | hello, i was using debian 8.8 , yesterday i ist did minimal upgrade n then dist-upgrade but i got some glibc wanting upgarded i opted no. upgrade canncelled now its showing unmet dependcies |
| 22:15.05 | Guest67285 | plz hlep |
| 22:15.27 | Guest67285 | i upgarded to 9 |
| 22:15.35 | ewew | looks like the raise of limit helped. |
| 22:15.36 | wonderfulmee | probably not should have cancelled glibc upgrades. rerun apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:15.48 | MarkG1234 | Hi, I have some old scripts that use ffmpeg, and I see that avconv is now the new replacement. are the filters compiled in, or runtime? I need to be able to measure volume and use r128 filter, but it's not in my raspbian binary build. Do I have to compile from source to get it? |
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| 22:16.54 | Guest67285 | wonderfulmee: what to do now , dist-upgade is showing unmet dependencie |
| 22:17.18 | wonderfulmee | Guest67285, probably copy & paste the output |
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| 22:17.46 | Tramp | MarkG1234: hmm, avconv was it until jessie. Now (stretch) it's back to ffmpeg |
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| 22:18.45 | Tramp | MarkG1234: oh - and for raspbian this is the wrong channel |
| 22:19.28 | wonderfulmee | this is for proper them debianers |
| 22:19.36 | wonderfulmee | is that a word, debianers? |
| 22:19.38 | Guest67285 | wonderfulmee: here is the output of dist-upgrde https://paste.debian.net/972270/ |
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| 22:20.10 | wonderfulmee | You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these. |
| 22:20.15 | wonderfulmee | can you read at all |
| 22:21.00 | wonderfulmee | you're trying to install that hasn't met its dependencies |
| 22:21.10 | wonderfulmee | apt-get is literally crying at you to install them |
| 22:21.10 | abrotman | no need to be harsh |
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| 22:21.39 | wonderfulmee | I mean it's crying out at him |
| 22:21.45 | abrotman | stop |
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| 22:22.14 | Guest67285 | wonderfulmee: here is what i get on dpkg --configure https://paste.debian.net/972272/ |
| 22:22.18 | thingfish | I haven't been in #debian since Sarge was stable. And abrotman was here back then, too. Wow. |
| 22:22.26 | thingfish | :) |
| 22:22.27 | abrotman | howdy :) |
| 22:22.30 | thingfish | hi |
| 22:22.36 | Guest67285 | wonderfulmee: what should i do now? |
| 22:22.52 | abrotman | Guest67285: pastebin your sources.list so we can ensure they're setup correctly |
| 22:23.01 | abrotman | paste.debian.net please |
| 22:23.29 | wonderfulmee | Guest67285, stop installing random software. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, otherwise |
| 22:23.55 | wonderfulmee | what the other guy said about sources.list, too |
| 22:24.30 | Guest67285 | here is the sourcelist https://paste.debian.net/972273/ |
| 22:24.46 | wonderfulmee | from what I'm seeing you've f*cked up your package system real good |
| 22:25.13 | wonderfulmee | okay, is everyone seeing what I'm seeing? |
| 22:25.18 | abrotman | wonderfulmee: feel free to step away if it's too much for you :) |
| 22:25.28 | abrotman | Guest67285: what is the output of "apt-get update;apt-get -f install" |
| 22:25.28 | wonderfulmee | all of your sources are commented out |
| 22:25.33 | ewew | it looks like trolling. |
| 22:25.33 | abrotman | no, not all |
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| 22:26.30 | wonderfulmee | like, all of your sources are commented out real good |
| 22:26.41 | abrotman | can you read at all? |
| 22:26.46 | mtn | heh |
| 22:26.51 | wonderfulmee | except for one deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch contrib |
| 22:26.55 | abrotman | read again |
| 22:27.11 | wonderfulmee | I'm not a debian user, but maybe get a real sources.list from them |
| 22:27.18 | abrotman | stop already |
| 22:27.21 | abrotman | last warning |
| 22:27.31 | Guest67285 | abrotman: apt-get update works fine i will see now apt-get-f install |
| 22:27.35 | wonderfulmee | that's his issue |
| 22:27.49 | wonderfulmee | what are you on abouts those warnings? |
| 22:27.53 | Gazooo | anyone know of a way while using a bastion/ssh jump host, to have a private key which can connect to other boxes on the network, without actually making that key available to the user, if that makes any sense |
| 22:28.54 | Guest67285 | here is the output of apt-get -f install https://paste.debian.net/972274/ |
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| 22:29.18 | likcoras | Why does manpages.debian.org show jessie manpages by default instead of stretch? |
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| 22:29.42 | wonderfulmee | a fellow f*uped up their own APT |
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| 22:29.48 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@broadband-188-32-11-9.moscow.rt.ru] by abrotman |
| 22:29.48 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 22:30.03 | Guest67285 | wonderfulmee: what to do now |
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| 22:30.36 | Guest67285 | abrotman: r u here |
| 22:30.39 | abrotman | Guest67285: apt-cache policy libc-dev-bin |
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| 22:31.50 | Guest67285 | abrotman: here is the output of it sudo apt-cache policy libc-dev-bin libc-dev-bin: Installed: 2.24-11+deb9u1 Candidate: 2.24-11+deb9u1 Version table: *** 2.24-11+deb9u1 0 990 http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 2.24-11 0 990 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ stretch/main amd64 Packages |
| 22:32.50 | abrotman | Guest67285: and the same for libc6 ? |
| 22:33.27 | Guest67285 | yes |
| 22:33.32 | abrotman | I meant to show us |
| 22:33.43 | Guest67285 | sudo apt-cache policy libc6 libc6: Installed: 2.19-18+deb8u9 Candidate: 2.24-11+deb9u1 Version table: 2.24-11+deb9u1 0 990 http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates/main amd64 Packages 2.24-11 0 990 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ stretch/main amd64 Packages *** 2.19-18+deb8u9 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 22:33.56 | abrotman | do you have anything in your apt preferences, a held package? |
| 22:34.20 | Guest67285 | abrotman: how to see that |
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| 22:35.16 | abrotman | Guest67285: dpkg --get-selections | egrep "^h" |
| 22:35.19 | abrotman | sorry |
| 22:35.24 | abrotman | Guest67285: dpkg --get-selections | egrep "hold$" |
| 22:35.53 | kion | Can someone tell me why Debian used for desktop comes without a firewall? |
| 22:36.14 | abrotman | because your network has one? because your desktop doesn't have open ports? |
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| 22:36.24 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@broadband-188-32-11-9.moscow.rt.ru] by abrotman |
| 22:36.25 | *** kick/#debian [wonderfulmee!~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman] by abrotman (you should know better) |
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| 22:36.39 | missmbob | because you didnt bother to apt install one |
| 22:37.01 | Guest67285 | aabort : grep: warning: GREP_OPTIONS is deprecated; please use an alias or script |
| 22:37.29 | kion | missmbob, shouldn't that be a basic security feature that should come by default? |
| 22:37.33 | abrotman | but didn't return anything |
| 22:37.47 | missmbob | kion: not on linux |
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| 22:37.56 | abrotman | Guest67285: pastebin the output of "apt-get update" .. to ensure we're seeing it get all soures |
| 22:37.59 | kion | missmbob, I just write rules for iptables, what is one you can apt install? |
| 22:38.31 | missmbob | kion: i'd use iptables. you can apt install ufw |
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| 22:39.30 | kion | missmbob, that is what I thought, but no, ufw has really complicated chains that are not clear to me, I much rather just write my own iptables rules and set drop policies for input. |
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| 22:39.53 | missmbob | great |
| 22:39.55 | dax | uh, so do that? |
| 22:40.39 | Guest67285 | here it is https://paste.debian.net/972277/ |
| 22:41.26 | abrotman | Guest67285: try aptitude full-upgrade, see what it says |
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| 22:41.35 | kion | I was just curious as why didn't Debian came with a simple yet effective firewall already working... |
| 22:41.54 | abrotman | it shouldn't need one unless oyu install a daemon that listens? |
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| 22:44.20 | Guest67285 | abrotman: full upgrade shows this https://paste.debian.net/972280/ |
| 22:44.33 | likcoras | hm, nftables is recommended, but there's no real reason to switch away from a perfectly good iptables setup yet, right? |
| 22:44.50 | likcoras | Can't wrap my head around nftables for some reason. |
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| 22:45.21 | *** mode/#debian [-q *!*@broadband-188-32-11-9.moscow.rt.ru] by abrotman |
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| 22:45.32 | kion | abrotman, yes, I understand, till some program starts listening without you knowing, right? |
| 22:45.59 | kion | likcoras, how is nftables superior to iptables? |
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| 22:46.23 | sigactor | cool spam email https://pastebin.com/M4eHMJHz |
| 22:46.49 | Guest67285 | abrotman: u there? |
| 22:46.55 | likcoras | kion: Well, most of the places I've seen that mention nftables say that it's recommended over iptables. https://wiki.debian.org/nftables for one. Also has concrete reasons further below. |
| 22:47.02 | teraflops | likcoras: yep, but you can try nftables just for the sake of it |
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| 22:48.20 | abrotman | Guest67285: dpkg --configure -a ? |
| 22:48.26 | likcoras | Dunno, too confusing for me right now. I'll wait for more people to get familiar with it so they can explain it to me instead. |
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| 22:48.54 | abrotman | steps away for a bit |
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| 22:49.46 | Guest67285 | here is the output of dpkg --configure -a https://paste.debian.net/972281/ |
| 22:50.32 | dhuv | Hi, I am looking for help with MariaDB not starting after upgrading to Stretch. I have found others on the internet with the same problem (NoNewPrivileges) but no real solution. This is a dev server so I tried uninstalling all packages related to mariadb and mysql and reinstalling but still the same error. |
| 22:50.42 | teraflops | likcoras: actually the syntax is way more human readable |
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| 22:51.17 | teraflops | xD |
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| 22:52.11 | gr8 | after installing the big bunch of updates for Jessie, everything looks different, many programs look better. Why is that? :D |
| 22:52.19 | teraflops | that guy is about the blacklist a whole datacenter |
| 22:52.34 | Guest67285 | i upgrded to 9 from 8.8 while upgrde i got glibc upgrade i selected no,, now m getting unmet dependcies on dist-upgrdae |
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| 22:53.57 | Guest67285 | abrotman: teraflops what to do now |
| 22:54.08 | teraflops | Guest67285: why do you ask me? :P |
| 22:54.20 | Guest67285 | can u help |
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| 22:54.25 | teraflops | likcoras: e.g http://ix.io/xGq |
| 22:54.27 | dhuv | @Guest67285 I just did an upgrade from Jessie to Stretch and did not get a problem with GCC. Were you at the latest version? Did you have any packages held back? |
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| 22:54.51 | teraflops | Guest67285: to be honest I was about to going to sleep |
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| 22:55.42 | Guest67285 | abrotman: r u here????? |
| 22:55.50 | TayaMaruti | gstreamer0.10 dosen't seem to be supported in stretch what is the reasons and is it permanent some of my applications use 0.10 exclusively |
| 22:55.56 | likcoras | teraflops: in the thing you just sent me, is "chain input" just a name or does "input" have a special meaning there? |
| 22:56.00 | abrotman | Guest67285: sort of, apt-get install libc6-dev .. what does it say? |
| 22:56.03 | teraflops | Guest67285: is not a great idea poking people that way |
| 22:56.11 | abrotman | also, |
| 22:56.12 | abrotman | !ep |
| 22:56.12 | dpkg | Please stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, ellipsis, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban. |
| 22:56.16 | abrotman | :) |
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| 22:56.23 | digup | What is the best way to wipe an Intel 540 ssd from live CD? |
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| 22:57.10 | nils_ | dhuv, can you describe the MariaDB problem or link to somewhere? |
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| 22:57.35 | mtn | digup: gparted |
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| 22:58.04 | Guest67285 | abrotman: here is what i get on libc6 dev https://paste.debian.net/972282/ |
| 22:58.06 | nils_ | digup, blkdiscard or hdparm |
| 22:58.09 | dhuv | @nils_ https://mariadb.com/kb/en/mariadb/upgrade-10116maria-1jessie-broke-system/ |
| 22:58.24 | teraflops | likcoras: there is just a name |
| 22:58.52 | digup | nils_: I've seen a lot of people talk about hdparm, is there a chance it might brick my SSD? |
| 22:58.56 | teraflops | likcoras: you have chains and hooks |
| 22:58.58 | likcoras | Ah, alright. On every single manual and wiki page it's named the same as the uh, hook? so I thought it might be important. |
| 22:59.07 | dhuv | @nils_ By the way, I already tried setting "NoNewPrivileges=false" but still gives the same error on startup |
| 22:59.32 | nils_ | dhuv, I'm assuming you're using the Debian provided version? |
| 22:59.45 | nils_ | digup, it's the only way I know how to issue a secure erase |
| 23:00.28 | nils_ | digup, usually a full blkdiscard should scramble everything, although the data still remains. Might be better to overwrite the drive once and then discard it. |
| 23:00.54 | dhuv | @nils_ yes this is all straight Debian packages |
| 23:01.30 | nils_ | dhuv, alright, I've been using the packages from mariadb.org usually, which have been a major source of headaches with just about every release ;) |
| 23:02.04 | Guest67285 | abrotman: what should i do now |
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| 23:02.11 | digup | nils_: I'm not looking to throw the drive away, I just want to wipe anything windows off because windows keeps finding ways to mess up everything using old install data. |
| 23:02.35 | nils_ | digup, none of my suggestions will brick your drive. |
| 23:02.38 | mtn | digup: gparted |
| 23:02.48 | nils_ | dhuv, did you do the following after adding whatever.conf: systemctl daemon-reload |
| 23:02.58 | kion | digup, If you want to wipe(like secure removing stuff) , I would use dd or srm... |
| 23:03.04 | Guest67285 | abrotman: i forgot i removed this file 50unattended-upgrades.ucf-old |
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| 23:03.32 | digup | kion: A lot people are saying using dd would cause a lot of read/write and kill your ssd faster. |
| 23:03.37 | nils_ | dhuv, then try to start it, if it fails please paste systemctl status -l -n 100 mariadb.service |
| 23:04.05 | nils_ | digup, the blkdiscard should suffice, it issues a TRIM to the whole drive. |
| 23:04.26 | kion | digup, srm will overwrite your stuff about 30 times before filling it with zeros and then deleting it... |
| 23:04.52 | kion | digup, it seems that you only need to format the drive, as someone pointed gparted can do it. |
| 23:04.52 | nils_ | it's also a good idea to wipe the GPT disklabels: sgdisk -Z /dev/disk/by-id/$devicename |
| 23:04.55 | digup | kion: Yea, but isn't that hard on an ssd and uses a ton of read/writes? |
| 23:05.36 | digup | nils_: Yea, I plan to wipe the drive and then use parted's mklabel to set it gpt. |
| 23:05.37 | nils_ | yeah, that would be a few write cycles to the whole disk. Secure Erase simply changes the drives internal encryption key and marks all sectors as unused (as in TRIM/Discard/UNMAP) |
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| 23:05.50 | one_over | linux offen leaves trim disabled by default |
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| 23:06.08 | nils_ | this will simply mark all the blocks as free: blkdiscard /dev/disk/by-id/$devicename |
| 23:06.17 | kion | digup, I'm no expert, but I would assume that an ssd with no moving parts would last an eternity in terms of writing and re writing into it, if I am wrong pleas someone jump in and enlighten us |
| 23:06.29 | nils_ | one_over, that's only when mounting filesystems though. |
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| 23:06.53 | nils_ | kion, no actually. The cells degrade over time the more often you write to them. |
| 23:07.05 | digup | kion: From what I've been reading and know, ssd's have limited read/writes because of this. The circuits wear down over time. |
| 23:07.29 | one_over | high end ssd has a high tolerance |
| 23:07.36 | ewew | well. so far it looks like a bug in the stable version of chrome. |
| 23:07.38 | kion | digup, are they at least as good as the previous magnetic hard drives? |
| 23:07.39 | Guest67285 | abrotman: r u there |
| 23:07.53 | digup | That's why I wanted to check here. Thanks, I'll give blkdiscard and hdparm a look. |
| 23:07.58 | nils_ | kion, it depends ;) |
| 23:08.21 | digup | Both should be on Debian 9 Live CD lxde right? |
| 23:08.41 | nils_ | digup, if not it should be possible to install them, blkdiscard is part of util-linux |
| 23:08.49 | kion | nils_, I have an Nvme disk, I thought my info was safer now! still do frequent backups though :) |
| 23:08.51 | digup | ok |
| 23:08.54 | Guest67285 | abrotman: r u there????? |
| 23:09.08 | dhuv | @nils_ https://pastebin.com/CXAqjNZd contains the same problem after I ran "systemctl daemon-reload" |
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| 23:10.03 | nils_ | kion, I've seen pretty much any kind of drive fail, but high end SSD are probably a lot safer and more predictable as to when they fail (firmware bugs notwithstanding) |
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| 23:11.04 | nils_ | kion, this is all terribly off-topic though, I think servethehome.com has quite a few articles on it, they have tested used SSD and also stress tested some consumer drives by constantly writing to them |
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| 23:11.56 | one_over | samsung intel crucial and sandisk are the best ssds |
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| 23:12.04 | nils_ | no love for FusionIO? |
| 23:12.04 | Guest67285 | i upgraded form 8.8 to 9 but i meatime i got prompt about glibc i opted no, now m getting unmet dependencies on dist upgerde plz help |
| 23:12.41 | nils_ | Guest67285, well that was not a good idea now was it? Everything depends on glibc... |
| 23:12.47 | kion | nils_, I apologize for digressing off-topic thanks for the link though |
| 23:13.02 | Guest67285 | nils what to do now |
| 23:13.10 | dhuv | @ Guest67285 What are the exact errors? and what do you see if you do "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 23:13.36 | ewew | so far it looks like the google-chrome-stable is not good. |
| 23:13.46 | one_over | Can't wait till you can buy a 1tb sdd for under 100 dolalrs |
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| 23:14.05 | Guest67285 | i get this on dist-upgrde https://paste.debian.net/972285/ |
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| 23:15.19 | Guest67285 | on dpkg --configure -a i get this https://paste.debian.net/972281 |
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| 23:16.55 | nils_ | dhuv, need to research this a bit more, what's your kernel version? |
| 23:17.54 | Guest67285 | still 3.16.0.4 |
| 23:17.56 | dhuv | @nils_ I was about to say 4.9 which comes with Debian 9 but apparently it is still running 3.2 because it was not updated in AWS. I am going to try and fix that. |
| 23:18.12 | nils_ | dhuv, yeah I think that might be it. |
| 23:18.18 | Guest67285 | what to do now guys |
| 23:19.32 | Guest67285 | nils_: what should i do now |
| 23:20.06 | nils_ | Guest67285, I don't know precisely, but I would think you have to lift the package hold on glibc which would resolve the dependency issues |
| 23:20.09 | ewew | any idea why the stable version of chrome snaps ? |
| 23:20.29 | ForceRecon | ignorance is truly bliss |
| 23:20.30 | Guest67285 | nils_: how to do that |
| 23:20.54 | ForceRecon | how do I take a usb drive that is formated under linux and make it capable of fat32 from the linux machine |
| 23:20.58 | ForceRecon | So many hoops |
| 23:21.07 | Guest67285 | dhuv: can u help |
| 23:21.35 | nils_ | ForceRecon, mkfs.vfat? Loses all the data though. |
| 23:21.54 | ForceRecon | I don't care.. I just want to wipe the usb and make it capable of fat32 |
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| 23:22.21 | TomG2 | Guest67285, have you tried apt-get -f install ? |
| 23:22.25 | nils_ | well luckily FAT32 is supported in Linux so you just need to reformat it |
| 23:22.40 | Guest67285 | TomG2: yes umet defendies |
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| 23:23.15 | TomG2 | Guest67285, what do you have in your sources.list ? |
| 23:23.20 | ForceRecon | in winodws the usb shows 2.5MB free.. I moved it over to my linux machine debian btw all I want to do is format it so that I get all space back and use it on the windows machine for 10 minutes |
| 23:23.21 | Violinist | umm yeah |
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| 23:25.10 | Guest67285 | TomG2: here is source list https://paste.debian.net/972286/ |
| 23:25.18 | cef | ewew: are you on jessie or stretch? |
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| 23:26.29 | ForceRecon | for some reason even on linux I have no ability to delete the data on the usb |
| 23:26.32 | ForceRecon | wth |
| 23:26.52 | Guest67285 | i was dist-upgrading on stretch from jessie, i got a promt about glibc i chose no , upgrade cancelled now m getting umnet dependecies |
| 23:27.08 | TomG2 | okay try dpkg-reconfigure glibc |
| 23:27.36 | dhuv | @Guest67285 I would try to do "apt-get -f install" like it says and see what happens. After that I would try to upgrade to the glib package to the latest version. |
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| 23:29.05 | TomG2 | and also try dpkg-reconfigure libc6 |
| 23:29.06 | Guest67285 | dpkg-query: package 'glibc' is not installed and no information is available Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files, and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents. /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: glibc is not installed |
| 23:29.17 | TomG2 | yeah I gave you the wrong package name, sorry |
| 23:29.26 | TomG2 | i think you can fix all this by reinstalling or reconfiguring libc6 |
| 23:29.36 | nils_ | libc-bin or something |
| 23:30.05 | Guest67285 | whats the rightname |
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| 23:30.45 | cef | ewew: which version of debian are you using? |
| 23:30.48 | woh3 | HI all, I have just installed debian 9, and am having dependency hell with libgstreamer, it does not seem to be in any repos, and I installed the deb-multimedia.org repo, but still cant get gstreamer, what am I doing wrong? |
| 23:31.14 | missmbob | !dont break debian |
| 23:31.14 | dpkg | methinks dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 23:31.41 | missmbob | !deb-multimedia |
| 23:31.41 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 23:31.53 | ForceRecon | is there a disk manager in debian or disks install.. what is the proper syntax for installation |
| 23:31.57 | missmbob | "many hard to debug problems" |
| 23:32.18 | Guest67285 | TomG2: what is the rightname |
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| 23:32.24 | woh3 | <dmm stretch> |
| 23:32.26 | TomG2 | Guest67285, I would try dpkg-reconfigure libc6 |
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| 23:32.55 | TomG2 | or may be apt-get --reinstall install libc6 or just dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_*.deb |
| 23:33.05 | cef | !tell woh3 about dmm stretch |
| 23:33.35 | Guest67285 | TomG2: no such file |
| 23:34.02 | woh3 | ok, well if not deb-multimedia.org then what? can I get gstreamer and its deps from somewhere else for stretch? |
| 23:34.04 | cef | woh3: you don't need the <>'s and just prefix it with ! |
| 23:34.14 | woh3 | ok |
| 23:34.24 | TomG2 | Guest67285, did you try the other commands I listed? |
| 23:34.32 | woh3 | !dmm list |
| 23:34.37 | dpkg | To list all packages you have installed from deb-multimedia.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p. Note: apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). See also <which repo>. |
| 23:35.23 | Guest67285 | TomG2: libc6 is not vlid package name |
| 23:35.34 | Guest67285 | TomG2: yes i tried |
| 23:35.37 | cef | woh3: you can also ask direct in a query window to dpkg (without the !), which keeps it all off channel if you like (also keeps it clean of other people's conversations) |
| 23:35.51 | TomG2 | libc6? sure it is... i'm confused |
| 23:36.12 | woh3 | ok, so does anyone know a better source for gstreamer? I cant get rstudio to run without it |
| 23:36.16 | Guest67285 | sudo dpkg-reconfigure libc6 dpkg-query: error: --status needs a valid package name but 'libc6' is not: ambiguous package name 'libc6' with more than one installed instance Use --help for help about querying packages. /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: libc6 is not installed |
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| 23:36.28 | TomG2 | Guest67285, can you please try dpkg-reconfigure libc6:amd64 |
| 23:36.32 | cef | what, rstudio needs gstreamer? |
| 23:36.49 | woh3 | indeed it does |
| 23:36.55 | woh3 | or atleast libgstreamer |
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| 23:37.28 | Guest67285 | TomG2: it worked |
| 23:37.48 | cef | weird. I never had to install it on my g/f's machine when I put rstudio on there. hrmmm |
| 23:37.49 | Guest67285 | TomG2: what to do next |
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| 23:38.25 | woh3 | so is there a diff repo for multimedia I should use? |
| 23:39.26 | cef | woh3: wait.. is rstudio the name of an audio editor? confusing if so cos rstudio is also an environment for developing R code. |
| 23:39.34 | TomG2 | Guest67285, try the dist-upgrade again |
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| 23:40.39 | Guest67285 | TomG2: iget this https://paste.debian.net/972288/ |
| 23:40.51 | TomG2 | ah crap |
| 23:41.00 | TomG2 | maybe try apt-get -f install libc6 |
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| 23:41.59 | TomG2 | or apt-get -f --reinstall install libc6:amd64 |
| 23:42.30 | woh3 | yeah, I am a mathematician, and I use R for stats a lot |
| 23:42.55 | Guest67285 | TomG2: i get this https://paste.debian.net/972289/ |
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| 23:43.32 | Guest67285 | TomG2: i removed this file also |
| 23:43.33 | cef | woh3: yeah.. that's why I am confused cos I never had to do that with a machine running jessie-backports.. I don't think it ever installed any libgstreamer stuff. hrm.. |
| 23:43.40 | Guest67285 | TomG2: i removed this file also 50unattended-upgrades.ucf-old |
| 23:44.00 | TomG2 | okay, that's fine |
| 23:44.19 | TomG2 | Guest67285, please try apt-get -f --reinstall install libc6:i386 libc6:amd64 |
| 23:44.19 | Guest67285 | TomG2: what to do now |
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| 23:44.35 | woh3 | yeah I have been googling like crazy for repos that have it but nothing is working, thinking of going back to jessie |
| 23:44.51 | TomG2 | can you please try dpkg --configure libc6 |
| 23:45.59 | Guest67285 | TomG2: dpkg: error processing package libc6:amd64 (--configure): package libc6:amd64 is already installed and configured Errors were encountered while processing: libc6:amd64 |
| 23:46.22 | TomG2 | okay can you please try dpkg --configure libc6:i386 |
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| 23:46.35 | Guest67285 | TomG2: same error |
| 23:46.52 | Guest67285 | TomG2: i was dist-upgrading from 8.8 to 9 |
| 23:46.54 | cef | woh3: I'll definitely be waiting for that to be fixed before I upgrade my g/f's machine. |
| 23:47.16 | TomG2 | Guest67285, yeah, i'm just trying to get it to go ahead with the upgrad |
| 23:47.43 | woh3 | is there a way to retrograde through apt back to jessie 8.8? |
| 23:47.49 | Guest67285 | TomG2: i havent rebooted since the error |
| 23:48.07 | Guest67285 | TomG2: minimal upgrde went fine |
| 23:48.15 | TomG2 | Guest67285, can you try installing the deb from /var/cache/apt/archives, like dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_*.deb |
| 23:48.31 | Guest67285 | TomG2: didt-upgrade got cannceld after i opted no for glibc |
| 23:48.42 | TomG2 | yeah i know what you mean |
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| 23:49.06 | TomG2 | try just apt-get upgrade ? |
| 23:49.49 | Guest67285 | same unmet dependencies |
| 23:50.00 | TomG2 | did you try the dpkg -i line? |
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| 23:50.30 | TomG2 | maybe I should tell you to install the old one and then upgrade from there |
| 23:50.46 | Guest67285 | TomG2: how to do that |
| 23:51.18 | TomG2 | download here, and run dpkg -i package https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/libc6/download |
| 23:51.21 | TomG2 | i hope |
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| 23:53.23 | Guest67285 | TomG2: sudo dpkg -i Downloads/libc6_2.19-18+deb8u10_amd64.deb (Reading database ... 427980 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../libc6_2.19-18+deb8u10_amd64.deb ... De-configuring libc6:i386 (2.19-18+deb8u9) ... Unpacking libc6:amd64 (2.19-18+deb8u10) over (2.19-18+deb8u9) ... dpkg: error processing package libc6:amd64 (--install): package libc6:amd64 2.19-18+deb8u10 cannot be configured because lib |
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| 23:54.43 | TomG2 | can you show me the rest of the line? |
| 23:55.04 | Guest67285 | i got error |
| 23:55.15 | TomG2 | after "cannot be configured because li..." |
| 23:55.29 | Guest67285 | this is it https://paste.debian.net/972291/ |
| 23:55.57 | woh3 | so anybody know about gstreamer? |
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| 23:56.41 | n-iCe | hi |
| 23:56.47 | TomG2 | Guest67285, okay nevermind all that |
| 23:56.58 | Guest67285 | now |
| 23:57.27 | TomG2 | hmm I think I already told you to try apt-get --reinstall install libc6:amd64 libc6:i386 |
| 23:57.29 | Guest67285 | TomG2: i also did autoclean n autoremove |
| 23:57.38 | TomG2 | yeah that's fine |
| 23:58.19 | Guest67285 | TomG2: unmet dependencies on reinstall install libc6:amd64 libc6:i386 |
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| 23:58.29 | woh3 | sorry TomG2 was that apt-get reinstall meant for me? |
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| 23:58.49 | TomG2 | woh3: no, for Guest67285 |
| 23:58.57 | Guest67285 | TomG2: its showng is not to be installed did u saw that |
| 23:59.07 | camh | woh3: gstreamer is in stretch: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=stretch&keywords=gstreamer1.0 |
| 23:59.16 | missmbob | !multiarch howto |
| 23:59.16 | dpkg | i guess multiarch howto is http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 23:59.39 | Guest67285 | TomG2: see agian https://paste.debian.net/972292/ |
