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00:00.41TomG2okay try apt-get -f --reinstall install libc6:i386 libc6:amd64 libc-bin libc6-dbg libc6-i386
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00:00.45woh3camh: I am not sure how to use all those, do I have to download them all one by one and dpkg -i? I thought there would be an apt command I could use
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00:01.39dowwieI've had no luck using creating a debian 9 installation usb using unetbootin from ubuntu.  I install the iso and try to boot to usb but my system isn't recognizing it.  Has anyone else reported issues wrt ubuntu-unetbootin and stretch?
00:01.39Guest67285TomG2: i get same unmet dependencies on auto remvoe
00:02.02TomG2can you show me the paste?
00:02.07missmbob!unetbootin
00:02.07dpkgUNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions.  http://unetbootin.sf.net/  Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems.  Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
00:02.10missmbobdowwie: ^^
00:02.43dowwieI've used unetbootin for many installations
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00:02.51missmbobdoesnt matter
00:02.51Guest67285TomG2: on autoremove https://paste.debian.net/972293/
00:02.52dowwiebut I haven't used it for stretch
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00:03.17dowwieah, I read that blurb.  got it
00:03.23TomG2Guest67285, why are you using autoremove?  can you do the --reinstall install command?
00:03.27dowwieok, so , alternative
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00:03.48missmbobcp foo.iso /dev/sdX
00:04.18Guest67285TomG2: here is output of reinstall   https://paste.debian.net/972294/
00:04.28dowwiehow are people installing debian when using usb
00:04.38TomG2okay well it looks like we have made some progress, Guest67285 :)
00:04.52missmbobdowwie: use installer iso, *not* live
00:05.21Guest67285TomG2: :( hardly see, no knowledge? what to  do now
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00:05.58TomG2Guest67285, please try apt-get -f --reinstall install libc6:i386 libc6:amd64 libc-bin libc6-dbg libc6-i386 libreoffice-java-common libstdc++6 python3 python3.5 libpython3.5
00:06.34Guest67285TomG2: unmet dep
00:06.35dowwiemissmbob:  :(
00:06.49TomG2Guest67285, please show me the paste.  we are getting closer
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00:07.13Guest67285TomG2: here it is
00:07.16Guest67285https://paste.debian.net/972296/
00:07.26dowwiemissmbob:  I dont know what you mean
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00:07.53TomG2Guest67285, okay wait a few minutes
00:08.11Guest67285TomG2: k
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00:13.57Guest83263TomG2: r u there
00:14.28TomG2Guest62970, just a minute more
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00:15.07TomG2Guest62970, can i talk to you in /msg to help solve this? it might fill up the channel too much
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00:22.50Guest83263TomG2: i get this sudo dpkg-reconfigure libc6:amd64 /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: libc6:amd64 is broken or not fully installed
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00:23.20TomG2hi Guest83263.  can you paste the whole error message?
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00:25.32TomG2amd, can you paste the whole error message, including the command?
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00:31.09HappMacDonaldHello, I am having trouble diagnosing a delivery problem on our Exim server that appears to have started immediately after upgrading to exim4-daemon-heavy 4.89-2+deb9u1. Our local maildir delivery process keeps deferring email and claiming to have no write permission into the Maildir/tmp directory despite clearly having said permission. I've posted a relevant snippet from the dump file here: https://pastebin.com/Npb0pRaB
00:31.09stranger0009TomG2: its me one with dependencies error
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00:31.26stranger0009TomG2: u told me to wait
00:31.27TomG2hi stranger0009
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00:31.34TomG2yes, and the waiting is done now
00:31.51stranger0009TomG2: what should i do now
00:31.51HappMacDonaldBy dump file I mean exim -dM output.
00:32.03TomG2do you mind deinstalling gedit-plus and libreoffice if it'll help you upgrade?
00:32.29stranger0009reisntlaiing or removing
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00:32.57HappMacDonaldI have tried googling many variants of the error including
00:33.08TomG2stranger0009, well I can help I think
00:33.13TomG2can i talk to you in /msg?
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00:33.35stranger0009yes
00:33.40HappMacDonald"maildir_delivery transport returned DEFER for" and "transport returned DEFER" but can't get any results that aren't either too general, or too specific to something not related to our setup like CentOS or Dovecot.
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00:34.41HappMacDonaldI would appreciate any assistance figuring out how to debug the transport step a little further, because it seems to be spawning a child process that returns with an error but that child's activity doesn't make it into this debug log. :o
00:34.45nils_HappMacDonald, I think there is a way to get exim to deliver just a particular message, I believe it was exim4 -Rff [message-id], I would strace that in your case
00:34.46n_blownaparthi 2 packages gnome and gnome-core were removed with iceweasel on my jessie 8 32bit os. I realize they are metafiles or something. should I worry about that or do some sort of patch?
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00:54.03aysI am looking for packages which include 3d human anatomical models. Can someone help me?
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00:57.21n_blownaparthi 2 packages gnome and gnome-core were removed with iceweasel on my jessie 8 32bit os. I realize they are metafiles or something. should I worry about that or do some sort of patch?
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00:58.31dvsWow, that was a more than difficult upgrade
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01:12.01HappMacDonaldnils_ okay I have tried that now but the debug output is identical to my exim -dM <message id> output
01:12.32HappMacDonaldnils_ Oh wait, strace. Okay I shall try that too.
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01:15.22w0bam here. hello
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01:20.55likcorasWhat's the advantage of getting eg. firefox addons through the debian packages rather than the firefox addons site?
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01:21.34HappMacDonaldnils_: okay I got an strace out of it as well, but I can't see any strace data that hints at any activity aside from printing out the debug information to begin with: https://pastebin.com/Rtzzk4gM
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01:25.56nils_HappMacDonald, can you use -ff on strace?
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01:28.42TomG2i think we and Guest67xxx solvedl his libc6 problem
01:28.44TomG2it took a while :)
01:29.56themilllikcoras: the versions on the addons site aren't always compatible with the firefox in the repo. For multi-user machines, you can also install and configure for everyone.
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01:30.14likcorasAh, alright.
01:31.36HappMacDonaldok nils_ it looks like that's giving us some data finally: https://pastebin.com/datgmKWe  I can see it write to a file, it gets written with perm=600 (and I can see it there) but then it gets a failure on chown.
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01:32.59HappMacDonaldnils_: When I try to su - to this user and do the same I also get permission denied.. but it already belongs to that user so the chown is superfluous. And it's mounted on a forceuid/forcegid volume so it's impossible. :P
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01:37.08HappMacDonaldGoogling "exim chown" doesn't get me anything in my neighborhood. Is it possible to ask exim *not* to try to chown a file that it creates? This hasn't been a problem before today's upgrade (prompted by the stack clash announcement) and I don't think I can make the volume allow chowns because it's ntfs.
01:37.21HappMacDonaldno wait, cifs.
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01:41.18nils_HappMacDonald, it may be related to systemd as well
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01:48.32HappMacDonaldnils_: Yeah, I think I'm just going to downgrade. Getting a security patch designed to prevent escalation on a machine that does only mail won't help us much if it can't do any mail at all after the upgrade. :/
01:50.12nils_HappMacDonald, sounds like an odd setup.
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01:50.48nils_HappMacDonald, I'm sure you have your reasons though, I switched to a delivery agent some time ago (dovecot-lda) since I also do sieve.
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01:51.35nils_HappMacDonald, depending on your setup it may be worth considering
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01:54.40HappMacDonaldI don't think the setup is all that odd, it's an exim MTA and the email volume got too large for the machine to handle so we farmed that out to a CIFS volume on the NAS some years back.
01:55.15HappMacDonaldnils_: What I find odd is the process thinking that it needs to chown a file it just finished writing, and that it already owns. :/
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02:04.45nils_HappMacDonald, yes that does seem weird.
02:05.21nils_HappMacDonald, it may be that after writing the file the process assumes it should change the ownership of the file to someone else.
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02:07.21nils_simbalion, what are you trying to achieve?
02:08.41simbalionnils_: I'm trying to get an old game working under wine, but I don't know where the original CDs are and it doesn't want to install from a mounted ISO. someone in #winehq suggested I need to use a real cd rom emulator because mounting an ISO doesn't achieve the same thing?
02:08.44toruvinnhm what is the recommended way of getting unison-2.40 on stretch? the problem is, i need to sync with wheezy/jessie and unison-all doesn't seem to have any other version than the default 2.48 one.
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02:09.51simbalionI could burn some CDs from the images but I don't have any blank CDs laying around, just blu-rays heh.. I'd rather not purchase blank CDs just to play some old video game
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02:11.19nils_simbalion, I hear ya... no idea though
02:11.39nils_simbalion, I would probably use a VM
02:12.17simbalionnils_: that'd totally work, however I've got a Win7 VM and it runs kinda slow, I haven't actually tried it to play this game yet but I fear it wouldn't perform as well as running it in Wine. But I might try it anyway.. it'd probably be the easiest solution
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02:13.29twtoruvinn: FYI, if it's built with a different version of ocaml, it will likely break.
02:13.46twunison is not a nice protocol for backwards compatibility.
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02:14.56nils_simbalion, run it in a VM in wine then ;)
02:15.15simbalionnils_: I don't know what you mean
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02:17.11toruvinntw, hmm... ocaml? but... isn't unison purely in C/C++?
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02:17.50toruvinnoh. it's not!
02:17.52toruvinni had o idea :-)
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02:21.06toruvinntw, eh, just copied the binary from wheezy. *ahem* works.
02:21.56twiLogic: multiprocess make. -j<parallel process count>
02:22.02toruvinniLogic, -j is for simultaneously running n (8 in your case) jobs. sometimes if your Makefiles are broken and don't specify dependencies right, one job tries to use result from a job that did not execute yet. or things like this.
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02:22.55iLogicthanks tw and toruvinn .. makes sense!
02:22.57twtoruvinn: Nice. I doubt it will work in my case; the left system is fbsd11 and the right is stretch.
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02:28.39toruvinntw, yeah might be a problem there. ;-) though there was a debian distro with bsd kernel, wasn't there... ;->
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02:33.15nils_toruvinn, yes, but it's not being actively maintained
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02:33.51nils_toruvinn, https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/
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02:43.47GTAXL-su: /usr/bin/nano: No such file or directory
02:43.54GTAXLnano:
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02:44.00GTAXL?
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02:45.17themilldid you only just install it?
02:45.23GTAXLno
02:45.27GTAXLdoing the stretch upgrade
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02:45.40themillnano should be in /bin/nano
02:45.54GTAXLroot@coke:~# which nano
02:45.58themilltry "hash -r"
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02:46.10GTAXLthat fixed it
02:46.17GTAXLodd
02:46.17themillthe /usr/bin/nano symlink was removed
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03:13.04winsenHi all
03:13.04winsendoes anyone know why I can't see ip adresse of email sender on source code of THB email client? thanks
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03:54.37nils_maher, kernel.dmesg_restrict=0
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03:57.33mahernils_: thanks!
03:58.08nils_maher, just try it out first with sysctl -w
03:58.21kevrhttp://sprunge.us/PLfL
03:58.23kevrsup with this?
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03:58.35nils_is it SFW?
03:59.13nils_huh, that's interesting
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04:06.23nils_kevr, did debian not go with the odd renaming trend?
04:06.29nils_kevr, can you strace that process for me?
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04:30.05ozzloy_nils_, what odd renaming trend?
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04:38.44somiajnils_: debian stretch does support systemd new predictiable interface naming. But not all interfaces need to be named using it. This will be used by default on a fresh stretch install, but upgrading from jessie will not change the interface names. additionally you can configure systemd to not use the predicitable names, and use the old standard naming for intfaces.
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04:40.52somiajkevr: what version of debian are you running. version 6.7 for dhcpcd doesn't not appear to be in any debian version.
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04:41.16somiaj,v dhcpcd5
04:41.17juddPackage: dhcpcd5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.5.6-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.6-1+deb7u2; jessie: 6.0.5-2; stretch: 6.10.1-1; sid: 6.10.1-1; buster: 6.10.1-1
04:41.26somiajI would expect to seee version 6.0.5 or version 6.10
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04:44.05jellycodeDebian 9 installer freezes on Hyper V.  I am unable to find a way to download debian 8.  Is there a place I can download a debian 8 ISO that is less than a gig?
04:44.15jellycodePreferably a live ISO
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04:44.57somiajjellycode: are you using the live cd as your 'installer'?
04:45.08somiajI would suggest using the offical debian installers. You can get this from debian.org for debian 8.8 or 9.0
04:45.28jellycodeI was unable to find any place to download 8.8
04:45.43jellycodeIf you can find a link, would be great
04:46.31somiajhmm, I'm surprised they were taken off the offical cdimage.debian.org mirrors, let me look around a bit more.
04:46.50jellycodeall i want to do is boot into debian and do some test compilations... the lighter the ISO the better
04:47.05jellycodeI don't need a UI, i just need the core tools
04:47.13themill!install jessie
04:47.14dpkgThere are a myriad of different ways to install Debian.  See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>.  See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions.  (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
04:47.20themillbah
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04:47.27nils_jellycode, try a docker instance?
04:47.29jellycodeI know, it's wild, they used to keep all the versions
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04:47.45somiajThe net install is good, though without installing debian you only get a very minimial enviroment during the install, but the net install can install a minimal debian enviroment without the network.
04:47.57jellycodei do need the network, to copy files over
04:48.09themillhttps://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/
04:48.11jellycodedocker would also be acceptable, but i'm not super comfortable with it.
04:48.27nils_how do you feel about debootstrap?
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04:48.56somiajjellycode: I would just grab the netinstall from the link themill pasted.
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04:49.04jellycodethank you kindly
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04:49.17jellycodeshe's downloadin
04:49.34jellycodei would very much like to know how to do my task with docker
04:49.46somiajthemill: seems strange they would hide that and not make oldstable available on the webpage. You know of any reason why they do this (guess I could go search through mailing lists)
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04:50.10nils_jellycode, repeatable?
04:50.34jellycodeyes
04:50.59nils_jellycode, well then you would write a dockerfile, it's not hard to do, a shell script with metadata
04:51.15somiajthemill: oh nevermind, I found the link -- just wasn't obvious to me at first on the webpage.
04:51.18themillsomiaj: for anything other than stable, you go via "releases"
04:51.20jellycodemaybe i should rewatch the docker videos
04:51.48nils_a lot of it sounds overwhelming but the basics are old school linux
04:52.09somiajthemill: yea, I got there, I just didn't understand "To obtain and install Debian, see the installation information page..", because of the been superseded by Debian 9.0, I wrongly intrurpited that as installing debian 9 (not 8.8)
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04:52.30jellycodecan i start with docker pull debian, then start it up, connect, etc
04:53.01nils_jellycode, yes, I believe so
04:53.05somiajjellycode: are you wanting to just test a debian userland, or do you want the full kernel/hardware aspect to? Do you already have a running linux distro?
04:54.09jellycodeI'm on windows 10, using docker for windows.  i have some C++ code i need to compile on debian, and try to build a .deb pacakge
04:54.28nils_you lost me at windows 10
04:54.33somiajjellycode: docker maybe more than you need. A simple chroot can be great for lots of testing, but chroot containers have known security issues so more complicated containers like docker is needed for production.
04:55.13somiajjellycode: ahh, if not running a linux kernel, chroots won't be an option. Unsure about how to deal with docker images from windows. Though debian runs just fine in virtualbox vm. I belive you can get minimial vm images so you don't have to install one.
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04:56.26jellycodedocker for windows autoamtically instantiates a MobyLinux VM and when you invoke docker it "proxys" it there
04:56.34somiajbut using deboostrap to build chroots to compile stuff works great with debian. You can even do this from other linux distros (many provide the debootstrap script for this)
04:57.08somiaj##windows may have some useful tips at what may be the best windows tool to achive what you are doing. I have no suggestions as I don't use windows.
04:57.55somiajjellycode: but afiak if you have docker isntalled, there are premade jessie (and I would imagne stretch images -- if they aren't ready they will be soon) you should be able to use.
04:58.03jellycodeyou've been very helpful, thanks very much
04:58.23nils_yes they should be available on dockerhub at least
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04:59.11jellycodeyeah i've pulled debian and now just have to remember how to interact with it
04:59.32jellycodei'm also pursuing the full vm avenue just in case i get annoyed
04:59.32nils_gently is my suggestion
04:59.39jellycodelol
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05:01.43lordlod_Hi, I feel like a bit of a gumby but I can't get debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso to boot off a usb stick on my EFI laptop. Is this a known issue?
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05:03.07FBI_Anonshould /etc/apt/sources.list have http or https currently? im getting an issue connecting to the security repo (only that one) ### Cannot initiate the connection to security.debian.org:80
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05:05.24jellylordlod_, how dod you write it to that usb stick?  unetbootin, rufus and similar tools can be problematic
05:05.59lordlod_jelly: sudo dd if=debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4MB, also tried using cp
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05:06.24jellythat seems fine (cp is maybe more safe)
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05:06.50lordlod_I can mount it fine on this PC, on the laptop it doesn't boot. The bios doesn't supply any diagnostics as to why (that I can find)
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05:07.18jellydoes it detect and offer as a boot option with uefi enabled?
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05:09.12lordlod_I have to pull up the boot menu, it has a USB HDD option which worked previously for a korora iso, same stick.
05:10.01lordlod_I'm flying a bit blind here, my first uefi system (lenovo x1) and my other uefi interactions have been brief
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05:14.45lordlod_jelly: thanks, prompted me to get it. Had to disable secure boot.
05:15.09lordlod_Korora must use the fedora piggyback system
05:15.53jellyright, debian 9 images do not support secure boot (yet)
05:17.39lordlod_it might be worth mentioning it in the install instructions, I don't recall seeing it explicitly stated and the bios response made me feel that the install media was at fault
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05:19.24somiajlordlod_: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch03s06.html.en (kinda burried, but it is there in the install guide)
05:19.43somiajscroll down to 3.6.3 systems with uefi firmware.
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05:23.44lordlod_somiaj: right, a full paragraph, just needed to RTFM
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05:27.21anao2Hi@All does anyone knows why grubinstall /dev/sda fails on UEFI Laptops?
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05:29.12somiajanao2: uefi installs to an efi partition, not the master boot record on mbr partition tables.
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05:29.57anao2@somiaj thanks will checkout this on test systems! have a nice day!
05:30.11allan_windRelease Notes for Stretch are awesome, just saying
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05:31.20somiajanao2: hmm, might be some issue with not having the efi partition correclty mounted, https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall
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05:31.42somiajanao2: that there suggests pointing it at /dev/sda is correct, either there is no efi partiiton on /dev/sda or the efi partition is not correclty mounted.
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05:42.23wxieupdated to Debian Gnu/Linux 9, gnome3.22 missing gnome-shell.css
05:42.51wxieanyone has similar problem?
05:43.35somiaj,v gnome
05:43.36juddPackage: gnome on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; buster: 1:3.22+3; stretch: 1:3.22+3; sid: 1:3.22+3
05:43.52zdsjqzrlbobreh
05:44.04somiajwxie: could be some artifact in your users old gnome config. Maybe try to run gnome as a fresh user (also double check you are fully upgraded)
05:45.03wxiesomiaj: thanks for advice
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06:46.07bilbo-androidi have updated my jessien encrypted laptop yesterday with the security updates and now it refuse tonboot even in rescue mode help :/
06:46.16ShadurIs there something wrong with security.debian.org? apt-get update is hanging on retrieving its package lists.
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06:47.08wxiesomiaj: problem not reproduced
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06:47.39IngramI'm having the same issue as Shadur
06:48.18ShadurW: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/jessie/updates/Release.gpg  Unable to connect to security.debian.org:http:
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06:48.26ShadurAaaaand  there's the timeout.
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06:53.44themillShadur: Europe woke up and is hammering it
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06:54.32jellylies, we woke up two hours back
06:54.37jellytoo much sun
06:55.17ShadurAnd too bloody hot.
06:55.42Shadur...
06:55.44ShadurErr https://security.debian.org jessie/updates/main Sources
06:55.45Butt3rflynever too much sun :D
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06:56.12themillsecurity.d.o doesn't offer https, does it?
06:56.21jellyit doesn't.
06:56.46themill(DSA have just remapped it to a CDN)
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06:57.20sphaleriteis sources.debian.net currently broken?
06:57.22jellycdn is better than dns round robin?
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07:00.50themilljelly: yes; guaranteed consistency
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07:04.13tuxcraft1r,i tried dpkg-reconfigure package
07:04.14juddNo package named 'tried' was found in stretch/amd64.
07:04.51jellythemill, did they do something as silly as not lowering TTL beforehand?
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07:06.52jellyno, update worked and just -d upgrade didn't, that's not a dns issue
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07:09.33vadimkolchevHi all
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07:12.07jomofcwHello !
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07:12.26jomofcwHow can I get "easily" the list of the 100 latest modified files in a directory, please ?
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07:12.45jomofcwDisplaying the date/time of last modification.
07:13.11lovelybac0nin a terminal?
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07:14.55jomofcwlovelybac0n yup, through SSH.
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07:15.08lovelybac0nls -lat
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07:15.26celyror just look for the -sort switch
07:15.40pragomernodm always logs in root. how can I change this to my normal user?
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07:16.03celyrif you want 100 rows use ls -lat | head -n 100
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07:20.06jomofcwcelyr lovelybac0n thanks. how to make it recursive ?
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07:21.29celyryou want to list the 100 files modified recursively or for each dir 100 files ?
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07:22.24jomofcwcelyr the 100 files modified recursively, please.
07:22.51lovelybac0nFirst "man ls"   then search recursive with  /recursive, to show next search item press n
07:23.05celyrOr you can use find
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07:23.35lovelybac0nman pages are confusing at first but you'll love them when you get the hang of it.
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07:24.50jomofcwlovelybac0n hehe you're right ;).
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07:27.37untitledis there a way to update tomcat8 without touching ANY config file?
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07:28.04untitledlast time I said "no" to the replace-configs question and it still ruined my setup =\
07:28.56jomofcwlovelybac0n it's OK for recursive (ls -latR | head -n 100) but it seems to give me the 100 for each subdirectory and i can't get the next items, it stop I don't know why :s...
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07:31.28celyrfind . -printf "%T %p" | sort -n
07:31.42celyr| head -n 100
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07:31.57celyrmeh
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07:34.25lovelybac0nthat made my terminal go wild
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07:35.44lovelybac0njomofcw, no idea. I'm not good with sed, awk or regex but it seems like that's what you need.
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07:37.21jomofcwcelyr and lovelybac0n : thanks =).
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07:38.18lovelybac0nno worries, you figured it ouT?
07:38.25lovelybac0n*out
07:38.50jomofcwlovelybac0n I'll try some stuff to get what I really need.
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07:39.13celyrjomofcw, because I forgot \n
07:39.46lovelybac0ncelyr, what's the full command then?
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07:44.19erchache2000any network guy in the room? I have a question about iperf3…
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07:45.43joltdpkg: ask
07:45.43dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:47.06jomofcwcelyr yup seen xD...
07:48.03celyrfind . -printf "%T@ %p\n" | sort -n | head -n 100
07:48.50lovelybac0nAhh, I see.
07:49.08lovelybac0nmakes sense
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07:49.36jomofcwcelyr I've corrected my self :P but thanks !
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07:54.24z8zWhere i can find instruction on how to upgrade to debian 9 from debian 8?
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07:55.00vltz8z: In the release notes. https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes
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07:55.40cef!tell z8z jessie->stretch
07:55.44TomG2dpkg, tell z8z about stretch install guide
07:56.06lovelybac0n!topic
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07:56.35cefahh, forgot about. :/
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07:57.23corner_cubicle!dpkg jessie->stretch
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07:57.23dpkgRead (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv .  In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade.
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08:04.50shamoanjacquick n00b question: why isn't uxterm in the official Debian repos, and why does `apt-cache search uxterm` yield "xterm - X terminal emulator"
08:04.53shamoanjac?
08:05.09TomG2uxterm would be part of the xterm package
08:05.39shamoanjacThat's right, thanks!
08:05.44TomG2great
08:05.53shamoanjacI didn't try to just launch uxterm and assumed it just wasn't installed
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08:06.19luna_Hello, anyone know where i can find an iso for oldstable Debian 8.8? we have a system at work that likes 1 version older of Debian
08:06.27shamoanjacalso why does uxterm have an "unreadable" option for font size?
08:06.37shamoanjacgigantic screens?
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08:09.50z8zvlt: thanks... but seems really long because is safe procedure for production environment :|
08:10.38z8zvlt: i already have all my data backup.... just change repos and upgrade should do it?
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08:11.39luna_nevermind found out now my coworker already had uploaded it too the fileserver at work :)
08:11.42oerheksluna lots of ftp servers, http://ftp.cae.tntech.edu/debian-cd/dvd/
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08:13.06lovelybac0nz8z, As I understand it get rid of all repos that's not debians and remove programs that are compiled or gitted. Make the system mostly debian pure. Then upgrade.
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08:14.53z8zlovelybac0n: Yes but i have only free debian repos packages so my case i even easier..... then i follow this one https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-upgrade-debian-8-jessie-to-debian-9-stretch
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08:15.08wowasHello!
08:15.22wowasi am using Xen 4.4 and Debian 8, and if i try to boot my Dom0 it resets after loading initrd.
08:15.27wowasany ideas on this?
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08:16.16z8zlovelybac0n: also if some problem happen i just make a clean install and move data IN
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08:16.32onee-chanhello
08:17.07lovelybac0nz8z, Looks good. As long as you have backups.
08:18.56onee-chanHave they finished repopulating new testing with packages or are more to come soon? Is it safe to upgrade?
08:19.21z8zlovelybac0n: yes of course... also is not a production server or something so i really don't care if i have to do a fresh install as long as i have my data
08:19.36z8zlovelybac0n: thanks for the extra tips anyway
08:20.07lovelybac0nI'm on testing usually but I'm staying on stretch for a couple of weeks to avoid any hazzle.
08:20.15lovelybac0nz8z, no worries :)
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08:29.55mkhow can i install debian live image example mate 64 bit version in usb drive, i can boot debian live image but cant installed it , it comes error not cd drive found
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08:36.16onee-chanThere's only 328 packages to upgrade to new testing for me at the moment, so I am wondering if that is all?
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08:45.58onee-chanHas anyone actually switched to Buster yet?
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08:46.55themillthere should be little to switch to at this stage... all hell will break loose in a few days
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08:47.37dionysus69how do I play wav file from terminal?
08:47.44onee-chanok
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08:50.45lovelybac0nWill there be any difference between the buster and testing repos from now on?
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08:51.26JuniusBrutusthemill, why a few days?
08:51.29themillthere has never been a difference between buster and testing
08:51.53themillJuniusBrutus: because everyone will get back to uploading new packages and then they will migrate
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08:54.56lovelybac0nSo what's after buster?
08:55.09themillbullseye
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08:55.22lovelybac0nnice :)
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09:01.07shamoanjacwait
09:01.19oishdionysus69: play something.wav
09:01.20shamoanjacso the next Debian release is going to be called "Buster"?
09:01.31dionysus69thanks oish
09:01.33shamoanjacholy crap
09:01.42shamoanjacDebian GTA: SA
09:01.52dionysus69oish: nope, the command is not found
09:01.56themill!buster
09:01.57dpkgThe release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10.  https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html
09:02.03oishdionysus69: you need to install sox
09:02.11dionysus69oish: ok will do
09:02.19shamoanjaccan't you `aaplay` a wav file, dionysus69 ?
09:02.19lovelybac0nDebian names are toy story characters
09:02.21jozewhat comes after toy story character names?
09:02.44shamoanjacreally, lovelybac0n? The more you learn...
09:02.57dionysus69shamoanjac: nope thats also not recognized
09:03.00dionysus69oish that worked thanks
09:03.17shamoanjacah, it's "aplay"
09:03.20shamoanjacnot "aaplay"
09:03.30oishdionysus69: np
09:03.33lovelybac0nshamoanjac, really? It's know :)
09:03.53oishdionysus69: or aplay like shamoanjac says
09:03.57dionysus69one more question, is there a utility for converting mp3 to wav?
09:04.11shamoanjacdefinitely
09:04.31dionysus69oish: that also worked will remove sox then :P
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09:04.46shamoanjacmaybe ffmpeg can?
09:04.46lovelybac0ndionysus69, no. mp3 is compressed sound while a wav file is not. There is no way to reverse the compression.
09:04.58shamoanjaclovelybac0n, you can change the format
09:05.13dionysus69I dont care about the quality loss, I just care about the format :P
09:05.19shamoanjacyou can definitely go from mp3 to wav, although you won't get the original quality, true
09:05.20oishdionysus69: mpg123?
09:05.40dionysus69oish: whats that?
09:05.42oishmpg123 -w output.wav input.mp3
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09:05.58dionysus69oish: again thanks :D ill get that too
09:06.13oish(or mpg321, should be in apt)
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09:06.31lovelybac0nwhat's the point of changing the format with a quality loss?
09:06.45oishlovelybac0n: save disk space
09:07.07shamoanjacoish, going from mp3 to wav does the *exact opposite* of saving space
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09:07.14dionysus69I am playing with some utility to modify read and write wav files, I dont want to play with different formats as I am noob
09:07.15lovelybac0noish, no, the file would be the same size since it's compressed as an mp3.
09:07.31shamoanjacthe file would actually be bigger as a wav
09:07.31oishshamoanjac: oh, thought it was the /other/ way!
09:07.42oishi.e wav -> mp3
09:07.46shamoanjacwell, oish, you thought _wrong_ :P
09:07.56oish*shame*
09:07.56lovelybac0ndionysus69, what utility?
09:08.24shamoanjacbut yeah, the purpose of converting mp3 to wav can be to feed it to some program that doesn't read compressed sound
09:08.35vltdionysus69: For playing back nearly any media file from terminal I'd recommend mplayer. For format conversion you can use ffmpeg.
09:08.35shamoanjacfor example, a custom program that distorts sound in some special way
09:08.35lovelybac0noish, it's an unsual discussion so no shame :)
09:08.46shamoanjac.WAV is very easy to read, afaik
09:08.54oishlovelybac0n: heh
09:08.56shamoanjacsince it's just sample values
09:09.03lovelybac0nwhat program on this planet doesn't read mp3?
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09:09.13oishlovelybac0n: libreoffice
09:09.16vltlovelybac0n: aplay
09:09.19shamoanjaclovelybac0n, your own program
09:09.25dionysus69lovelybac0n: its command line utility
09:09.41dionysus69:D
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09:09.42shamoanjacoish, let me doubt that affirmation about libreoffice not reading mp3 :P
09:09.43lovelybac0nnot even with lame?
09:09.52shamoanjaccan't you embed sound files in documents?
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09:10.10lovelybac0nI don't believe any of you.
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09:10.32shamoanjaclovelybac0n, SDL doesn't read mp3 files
09:10.55oishshamoanjac: damn. I guess it does then!
09:11.06shamoanjacso, if you're writing a program with SDL, you have to feed it WAV for sound
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09:11.27shamoanjac(unless you use SDL_mixer, but you might not want to for some reason)
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09:11.42lovelybac0nEven with the patents opened recently for mp3 I am still sceptical at least.
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09:14.13shamoanjacI can think a lot of applications where you want to switch from mp3 to wav
09:14.21shamoanjacperhaps even more so than from wav to mp3
09:15.54lovelybac0nBut the whole idea is stupid. Wav to mp3 especially at cbr 320 is acceptable but to rename compressed mp3's to wav because a program doesn't accept anything but wav is just...
09:15.56shamoanjacfor example, if you want to create a simple utility that superposes two sound tracks, it's much much simpler to do if you read WAV
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09:16.18shamoanjacthe idea is stupid only if you merely want to *play* the file
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09:18.23lovelybac0nI guess if you just want to play the wav low level like and not bring in libraries. Then I can see it. Soundfonts and stuff like that. Still, sound quality loss for those utilities are bad.
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09:25.55themillonee-chan, JuniusBrutus: in fact in the next mirror pulse, 1500 source packages will suddenly appear in buster... all hell will break loose.
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09:26.33shamoanjacsometimes, you just can't find a .wav o a FLAC for a sound file, which is bad
09:26.45shamoanjac320kbps mp3 is a very acceptable quality
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09:28.11lovelybac0nthemill, this is my first debian release and I'm looking at going back to testing again. How brutal are these trasitions?
09:28.56themilldon't go there
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09:29.17dgriffiwhy are the Debian 9 install CDs netinst only?
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09:29.51celyrmaybe they figured out that people are using only netinst :P
09:30.08celyrbut I think that there are the torrents for the "almost full" distribution
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09:30.42jellydgriffi: isn't there an xfce cd-1
09:31.22dgriffijelly: oh... so they could only fit one desktop into the CD this time round?
09:31.25themilland DVDs
09:31.33dgriffithat's starting to make sense
09:31.53jellydgriffi: a useful Gnome install cannot fit onto a 700MB CD
09:31.54themillthere was no point in making all these other images... they only confused users and added hundreds of hours to the image making process
09:31.56shamoanjacfun fact: I recently started to use a non-netinst image
09:32.19celyrshamoanjac, why ?
09:32.23shamoanjacI just got a free writable DVD from my company and dumped a full image on it
09:32.34celyrI see very little reason to do so
09:32.34dgriffifor my installs, I prepare a writable bootable USB drive and drop a DVD image onto it.
09:32.35shamoanjacbecause of the live system
09:32.47lovelybac0nThank god for the netinstall with firmware iso's
09:33.04shamoanjacunfortunately, netinst doesn't allow you to repair a system (afaik)
09:33.13shamoanjac(I might be wrong, please correct me if I am)
09:33.24dgriffia few months ago, I got a 64 GB thumb drive as a freebie for buying something and I put a double-layer bluray image on it
09:33.30dgriffithat was interesting
09:33.32celyrI'm not repairing a system by
09:33.34celyrages
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09:33.51shamoanjacheh, that's because you don't have my superpower, celyr
09:33.53lovelybac0nThats why I have an arch usb stick around.
09:33.54celyranyway with netinst you can repair it I think
09:34.04shamoanjacI can break stable installs by merely looking at them
09:34.17shamoanjaccan Superman do that? I don't think so
09:34.21celyrshamoanjac, well, I don't think I have a non virtual debian install :P
09:34.26shamoanjacshamoanjac: 1, Superman: 0
09:34.41shamoanjacare your debians on VMs?
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09:34.48lovelybac0nsuperman runs LFS
09:34.58shamoanjaclol
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09:40.53jelly!offtopic
09:40.53dpkg#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users.  Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic.  Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
09:41.43MrDetoniaI'm preparing to upgrade from Jessie to Stable, and have a bunch of packages from backports installed - should I remove these/switch them to the Jessie versions before attempting an upgrade?
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09:47.36MiguelFullerhow to check whether my mouse is correctly installed in debian
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09:48.25lovelybac0nMrDetonia, I would recommend it. I'm new to debian but not linux and know that anything that can mess up an install especially dependecies and programs asking for libs.
09:48.58lovelybac0nis a bad time
09:49.53MrDetonialovelybac0n, mmm, maybe so. The upgrade guide mentions unofficial backports causing problems but nothing about the official ones
09:50.06MrDetoniaI've removed all third party repos and packages already
09:51.10lovelybac0nMrDetonia, and anything you have compiled or pulled from github. I have no experience in this but it sounds like a good move.
09:51.40MiguelFullerI'm using Debian 8.8 I want to know how to make sure my mouse is correctly installed and why it self disconfigure?! I play this game that I map mouse buttons to it and at first my side buttons work now they all seem as button3 middle one why?
09:51.41MrDetoniaanything compiled can be rebuilt - not running anything crucial from source
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09:52.20MiguelFullerI need these buttons to win!
09:52.36lovelybac0nMrDetonia, my thinking too.
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09:56.09lovelybac0nMiguelFuller, win what? And what is your issue?
09:56.34MiguelFullerlovelybac0n: I want to fix my mouse buttons
09:57.03MiguelFullerlovelybac0n: debian demaps the buttons from my game unless my game is flawly with the mouse driver
09:57.07lovelybac0nI get that, but what are the exact problem?
09:57.28MiguelFullerlovelybac0n: I know is debian cause I can't scroll in debian sometimes
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09:57.39MiguelFullerlovelybac0n: and other times I can
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09:57.44MrDetoniaMiguelFuller, what mouse do you have?
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09:58.01lovelybac0nYou're not helping me here. What mouse and what configuration.
09:58.08MiguelFullerlogitech mx410 optical
09:58.11MiguelFullersorry mx310
09:58.28onee-chanhi MrDetonia
09:58.42MrDetoniaoh hey onee-chan
09:58.49MiguelFullerlovelybac0n: debian doesn't seem to have settings for this mouse only all mouses
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09:59.04lovelybac0nMiguelFuller, what DE?
09:59.43MiguelFullerlovelybac0n: I forgot
10:00.15onee-chanMrDetonia haven't seen you in a while, what have you been up to?
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10:01.01MrDetoniaonee-chan, not much; work and looking for more work. Not been on freenode for ages :P
10:01.09MrDetoniaMiguelFuller, is one button not working at all?
10:01.23lovelybac0nMiguelFuller, gnome, xfce, cinnamon ...
10:02.00MiguelFullerlovelybac0n: I forgot
10:02.10MiguelFullerMrDetonia: both side buttons and scroll
10:02.12onee-chanMrDetonia I am in ready position to upgrade to new testing, just waiting for the repos to be filled up.
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10:02.57MrDetoniaMiguelFuller, this may be of some help regarding xorg config for that mouse https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/11/msg03615.html
10:03.21MrDetoniaonee-chan, my home pc that follows testing hasn't been upgraded in a while - terrified to do that one :s
10:03.27MrDetoniajust upgrading one of my servers today
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10:14.37MiguelFullercan I use deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/daou/ubuntu DISTRO main on debian jessie
10:14.46MiguelFullerfor the sources.list
10:14.50|DM|Hello. Since debian 9 just came out, I assume there's no serious difference between testing and stable ?
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10:15.27|DM|I'm mainly asking because Im migrating to a new hardware setup, probably going to use ryzen and the x370 chipset, so I wanted to know if I'll find better hardware support in testing
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10:15.49MrDetonia|DM|, packages will be coming in from sid from now, so yes there will be large differences soon
10:15.52lovelybac0n|DM|, yes there is. Testing is not recommended for a while.
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10:17.05celyrYeah things get very broken in testing in the next months
10:17.09|DM|sid's already diverged from stable a lot ? Ohhhh, the freeze on testing just ended...
10:17.38celyrthat's the point
10:17.43MrDetoniasid never stops
10:17.46celyrnow that the gate is open everything will come in
10:17.48|DM|So I either stick to stable or sid? Would sid be the better choice for hardware support ?
10:18.12MrDetoniasid would be the better choice for support, but not for things working
10:18.31celyrI honestly suggest you to use stable and to eventually cherry pick the support for your hardware
10:18.35celyrif needed
10:18.43celyrand I doubt it will be needed
10:18.45MrDetoniaI'd say stick with stable for a while, then migrate to testing or use backports. ^what celyr said basically
10:19.13dgriffiwhen will MATE be upgraded to 1.18.x?
10:19.15|DM|Yeah I've used backports for other software, just not familiar with what I'd need for cpu/mobo support
10:19.21lovelybac0n4.9 is a desent kernel is you don't need the new amd ryzen support.
10:19.30MrDetoniayou can install newer kernels if you need more recent drivers
10:19.33|DM|I do specifically need ryzen support
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10:19.54lovelybac0nThen off you go reading.
10:19.55|DM|Oh, so just a kernel upgrade pulls in all the kmodules ?
10:20.03celyrthen you need kernel 4.10 at least
10:20.06MrDetonialinux 4.10 supports Ryzen
10:20.21|DM|Alright great, kernel upgrade isnt an issue
10:20.43lovelybac0nArch is a nice car :)
10:21.01lovelybac0ndon't kill me
10:21.16|DM|Yeah Arch and unstable/testing were what I was considering with the new build
10:21.25|DM|decided to stick with debian because I'm more familiar with it
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10:21.50celyrI stick with debian because when i power on I don't want to have any issue
10:22.00celyrstability is main focus and should be
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10:22.32|DM|b-b-but the shiny new toys ;-;
10:22.54MrDetoniaArch rarely breaks unless you don't pay attention to release notes, but yes you do run the risk.
10:22.56celyryou get your dick stuck in those things
10:23.04shamoanjac"rarely"
10:23.16shamoanjacThat's already too frequent for me
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10:23.26MiguelFullerI can't configure my mouse in debian without installing additional packages for add ppa repositories this is too tedious
10:23.31celyrrarely my production server get broken
10:23.32MiguelFullerI'm going to the gas station for a snack
10:23.35celyrrarely I get fired :P
10:23.35MrDetoniaI wouldn't run it on a server but it's more than fine for laptops/personal desktops etc.
10:23.47MrDetoniaWell, I don't run Arch linux anymore but in past experience
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10:24.20lovelybac0nBtw. I dualboot arch.
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10:24.39MrDetoniaI'm going to do my obligatory daily shilling of Void Linux while the topic is up
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10:25.13lovelybac0nLets stay support and move it into #debian-offtopic.
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10:29.22MrDetonia>do a 3-way merge between available versions (experimental)
10:29.24MrDetoniaI'm intrigued
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10:30.09ForceRecongood morning everyone
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10:30.41ForceReconas some of you know I was working on trying to delete information on a usb drive of my debian linux machine yesterday..
10:31.12darmeanyone else using ii irc client?
10:31.18ForceReconafter being informed how to do it and getting pretty aggravated that there was no simple design for doing this I was instructed to use terminal
10:32.06ForceReconin my haste I deleted partition 5 on my machine.
10:32.10MrDetoniaForceRecon, a simple design for deleting files, or wiping drives?
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10:32.17MrDetoniabecause there is a simple design for both
10:33.03rafalcpphi, on boot (new os, deb8) the sys failed to assemble raid. I'm in (initramfs) shell. How to assemble it?
10:33.05ForceReconyeah, I wish you were here yesterday.. this was a usb 8gb drive that had a version of mint on it and I just could not wipe it no matter what I tried. but I finaly did get it
10:33.27rafalcppoh nice, mdadm --examine works here
10:33.43MrDetoniaForceRecon, with dd I take it? or fdisk to clear the partition table?
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10:34.37ForceReconST750LX003-1AC154 This is my drive I gather in Linux. fdisk
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10:35.05ForceReconbut now since I chose sda instead of sdb
10:35.10ForceReconits gone..
10:35.32ForceReconis there any way to get it back, I don't recall what it actually does.. there was nothing there
10:35.47MrDetoniaright... make sure you pay attention to what you're doing next time
10:35.58ForceReconyeah you got that right..
10:35.59MrDetoniayou can check your /etc/fstab file to see what /dev/sda5 was for
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10:36.30MrDetoniapossibly you can recover using a program called "testdisk", otherwise recreate the partition if it was something simple like /tmp or swap
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10:37.57rafalcppwhen I fixed the system (mounted all partitions) in initramfs, how to proceed with boot up into normal (or single user) mode?
10:38.09ForceReconswap was on /dev/sda5 during installation
10:38.09ForceReconUUID=4e367d38-9398-40b6-bbbb-c1d3ce1937e9 none
10:38.29Cl0udN9ne,v java-fx
10:38.30juddNo package named 'java-fx' was found in amd64.
10:38.30MrDetoniaokay, then that's lucky
10:38.35ForceReconHow do I recreate it and how do I know how big it was
10:38.44|DM|I've had good results with testdisk
10:38.49MrDetoniayou can (carefully) recreate the partition in fdisk - it will be free space now
10:38.56Cl0udN9neis there a package which provides openjdk 8 java fx in debian stretch?
10:38.56|DM|Oh, it was just swap
10:39.03MrDetoniathen mkswap, swapon, and rebuild your /etc/fstab
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10:40.19ForceReconwell those are my key words so I will start reading on that.. I am only in linux for 3 months about.. Ill figure it out.. If I need some direction I will re ask.. Any concerns I should have not to do something wrong..
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10:40.59MrDetoniaForceRecon, good luck. At no point should you need to delete any more partitions - it will simply be a case of running fdisk, creating a new partition, and then running the above commands on that new partition
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10:41.07Cl0udN9ne,v java
10:41.08juddNo package named 'java' was found in amd64.
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10:41.31ForceReconTHanks MrDetonia, its just things like this that concern me - mkswap will use the entire partition or file if it is omitted. Specifying it is unwise - a typo may destroy your disk.
10:42.08invizus,v open-jdk
10:42.09juddNo package named 'open-jdk' was found in amd64.
10:42.18MrDetoniaForceRecon, that's just a disclaimer for "make sure you know what you're doing"
10:42.21rafalcppok you should just exit the initramfs with command "exit"
10:42.30rafalcppthis channel is not helpful today (;
10:42.49MrDetoniathe syntax will be 'mkswap /dev/sda5' - depending on what partition number is made with fdisk
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10:43.03lovelybac0nWhy do you want to pullute your system with java?
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10:43.50BluesKajhowdy folks
10:43.52Cl0udN9nean app i downloaded needs it
10:43.57bazhanglovelybac0n, some might need it, not really topical is it
10:44.15ForceReconMrDetonia: I am reading that now.. However, will it make the swap folder of a size of its own choosing or do I have to specify as with the command the -pagesize
10:44.29lovelybac0nit's bad. Program in something else.
10:44.41MrDetoniaForceRecon, the entire partition you made will be the swap area, no need to specify a size
10:44.55rafalcppguess how long it took to netinstall almost minimal debian (just xfce+basic system) on raid-mirror 2 usb pendrives?
10:46.05ForceReconmkswap: error: /dev/sda5 is mounted; will not make swapspace
10:46.34ForceReconhowever, when you click on it it says it is not mounted
10:46.52MrDetonia'mount | grep sda5'
10:46.58MrDetoniawill tell you where, if anywhere
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10:47.29ForceReconshows nothing..
10:47.40ForceReconhmm wth.. at least Im having fun..
10:48.08MrDetoniaForceRecon, what does 'lsblk' say about it?
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10:49.18ForceReconsda      8:0    0 698.7G  0 disk
10:49.18ForceRecon├─sda1   8:1    0 690.8G  0 part /
10:49.18ForceRecon├─sda2   8:2    0     1K  0 part
10:49.21sherabio donwloaded a cinammon extenssion on my debian jessie how can i tell if it will install?
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10:49.32ForceRecon└─sda5   8:5    0   7.8G  0 part [SWAP]
10:49.32ForceReconsr0     11:0    1  1024M  0 rom
10:50.04MrDetoniaah, that says it is already being used as swap
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10:50.44MrDetoniaForceRecon, are you missing sda3 and sda4? or did they just not paste
10:51.07ForceReconthere is no 3 or 4
10:51.14MrDetonia>Packages to be removed: nmp
10:51.16MrDetoniaOh no(!)
10:51.21MrDetonianpm*
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10:51.40MrDetoniaForceRecon, okay then looks like no problem after all, unless something else is missing
10:52.03ForceReconno.. just won't mount and is unclickable
10:52.09ForceReconand error in fstab
10:52.16MrDetoniait's being used as swap though
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10:52.25MrDetoniawhat's the error in fstab?
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10:53.44ForceReconhttps://pastebin.com/WSfFWRnr
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10:54.30MrDetoniathat seems fine, as long as the UUID still matches
10:54.53MrDetonia/dev/sda5 is being used for swap according to lsblk (that's why you can't mount it - it isn't mountable)
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10:56.15tw"missing" part3/4 is standard layout for mbr extended partitioning.
10:56.46MrDetoniaI've never seen that before but if that makes sense
10:56.48ForceReconhow do you know if the uuid still matches?  any way to check
10:57.04MrDetoniayes but I forget the command, I think it's lsblkid or something
10:57.12MrDetoniablkid* maybe
10:57.30BluesKajsudo lsblkid
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10:57.59MrDetoniatha's the one, cheers
10:58.52ForceReconI don't have that command
10:59.03BluesKajoddly enough sudo blkid works
10:59.27ForceReconhttps://serverfault.com/questions/3132/how-do-i-find-the-uuid-of-a-filesystem
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10:59.36ForceReconyeah I found that too.. thanks for all the help guys
10:59.37BluesKajyeah, thei lsblkid works on  'buntus
10:59.44sypherblkid
11:00.21ForceRecon/dev/sda1: UUID="2db15fec-6387-47ec-ba92-7f735ee30be9" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="b711b71d-01"
11:00.21ForceRecon/dev/sda5: UUID="4e367d38-9398-40b6-bbbb-c1d3ce1937e9" TYPE="swap" PARTUUID="b711b71d-05"
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11:01.18ForceReconlooks ok
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11:01.52BluesKajor lsblk -f
11:02.32ForceReconI guess it is all alright so to speak..
11:02.42ForceReconI really thought I screwed something up..
11:02.44lovelybac0nlsblk is awesome
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11:05.39ForceReconI really wanted to blow away my windows machine and load debian.. but I just can't get it to boot with the live cd.. and I can't take a chance to wipe it out and it not work..
11:06.07ForceReconGonna give stretch a couple more weeks and maybe things will beupdated?  Wishful thinking?
11:06.38MrDetoniaUpdates will just be bugfixes and security patches from now in Stretch
11:06.48ForceReconlive dvd with firmware and non free just gives me black screen on boot after choice..there is no way to E edit the boot to try toram
11:06.56MrDetoniaI would recommend you simply say goodbye to Windows and never look back :)
11:07.30MrDetoniawhat gpu do you have? I've had black screens with Radeon cards before but very specific ones
11:07.36ForceReconI have 3 monitors and a pretty decent machine.. I really wish I could change over.. but I am not savy enough to even know what to try
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11:08.15ForceReconhttp://imgur.com/a/IiGPd
11:08.17MrDetoniaoh if you're getting no console at all after GRUB, then it's setting the wrong videomode
11:08.44MrDetoniaForceRecon, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB/Tips_and_tricks#Visual_configuration
11:09.00MrDetoniacan be a bit trial and error I'm afraid
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11:09.17BluesKajForceRecon, I've hadgood luck with the netinstall images using the regular old textbased method rather then the GUI, which gave me trouble
11:09.58ForceReconyeah I did not do the install just trying to make sure the machine will work
11:10.17ForceReconbut again.. I have no clue what I am doing when it comes to hacking my way through a live dvd..
11:10.28twlivedvd, yikes.
11:10.42grytw: I heard it is useful for testing hwardware, sound etc
11:10.43twI didn't think that was well maintained.
11:10.54ForceReconunless I try I won't know but right now I need my machine to work.. and to have it not work and then spend 2 days rebulding it in windows again would suck
11:11.40twDidn't someone suggest booting a usb disk you netinstalled to the other day? That would be much, MUCH less headache.
11:11.50ForceReconI could try another distro but I really don't want to leave debian
11:12.00vickyhello all! I have made the mistake of uninstalling the existing kernel without any older kernel in place. Now the version of the kernel in the repos (i.e., 4.9) is too big to be installed in the 175M free space that I have in /
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11:12.22ForceReconmaybe I should just try linux mint and see if it shows me all my monitors
11:12.24grywhy do you have so little free space
11:12.38BluesKajlivemedia can be non representative of the install to a real drive, especially with debian ...dunno why, just buggy perhaps
11:12.40twvicky: maybe `apt clean` will free some space?
11:12.58ForceReconI thought debian 9 did not support UEFI
11:13.06ForceReconor does it.
11:13.06twit does, just not the livecd.
11:13.14twdeb9 does uefi just fine.
11:13.15ForceReconI think thats my problem
11:13.27ForceReconat least one of them
11:14.06vickytw: no luck there, i have managed to clean up 175M out of the 190M required
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11:15.51vickythis is the partitioning setup - https://paste.debian.net/972365/
11:16.08de-factoDoes the netinstall medium for Stretch boot in UEFI mode?
11:16.42twvicky: you don't have a partition for /lib
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11:17.43BluesKajForceRecon, there is a drastic method that some including me have used to get arounf the uefi problem, set partition table to dos instead of gpt and wipe all the uefi boot  etc partitions off the drive and use legacy mode (like the old bios) I don't recommend it , but it is an option..
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11:18.29de-factoThe more partitions the higher the likelyhood of running into full partitions
11:18.55ForceReconofftopic I am just curious why there are so many partitions to begin with
11:18.58ForceRecongeez
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11:19.12ForceReconthere must be good reason..
11:19.36twI do it so I don't have to implement quota. A full disk won't make the system unbootable. There are good reasons for it.
11:19.40BluesKajthat's the nature of the uefi system
11:19.58twAnd uefi needs particular partitions to boot.
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11:20.34ForceReconhttps://pastebin.com/8Ffu5qvB
11:20.42ForceReconlearn something new..
11:21.33MrDetoniadist-upgrade done, ssh config checked, grub checked, rebooting...
11:21.37MrDetoniacrosses fingers
11:21.44ForceReconwoot!
11:22.41ForceReconThanks everyone.. gonna read this Grub Tips and Tricks and maybe give it a whirl
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11:24.07MrDetoniaflawless upgrade, nice
11:24.23ForceReconway to go MrDetonia
11:24.24MrDetoniaso glad we can do that now instead of reinstalling the whole OS
11:25.17grydebian features flawless upgrades for many years
11:25.35MrDetonianot in my experience - maybe I just did them wrong before :^)
11:25.47gryperhaps
11:25.48MrDetoniawheezy to jessie broke horribly when I tried that
11:26.14ForceReconis there like a eventviewer in linux that shows you serious errors only
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11:26.35MrDetonianothing like eventviewer, but you'll learn how the different logs work
11:26.42MrDetoniathere is a syslog, that you can search over
11:26.51MrDetoniaand dmesg
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11:30.42bazhang,v trickle
11:30.43juddPackage: trickle on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.07-9+b1; jessie: 1.07-10; stretch: 1.07-10+b1; sid: 1.07-10.1; buster: 1.07-10.1
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11:41.00rootkeaHello! I just upgraded to Stretch from Jessie and I'm experiencing this weird issue with xfce4-terminal. Whenever I type "clear" on terminal it clears the terminal (that's expected!) *but* now I can scrollback only a screenful. Earlier text n terminal is just can't be scrollbacked to. Here are the screenshots https://imgur.com/a/aPD4F Please observ
11:41.00rootkeae the scrollbar.
11:41.32rootkeaxfce4 -terminal version 0.8.3
11:41.33raphaThank you slax0r
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11:42.14slax0rrootkea: I can do that on jessie as well, and I'm pretty sure it was possible in older version as well
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11:43.21rootkeaslax0r: No! On older version I could scrollback to earlier terminal text.
11:43.43slax0roh, I see
11:43.56rootkeascrollback was never restricted to only a screenful after typing "clear" on terminal
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11:54.38altabhi, I'm upgrading packets (Debian 8 to Debian 9) before dist-upgrade and I have this error message : https://pastebin.com/Sde7hyWg
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11:58.32babilenaltab: Where did you get that 3.14.32-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 kernel from?
11:58.38altabI don't know
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11:58.55ForceReconlets say I install stretch from scratch on my PC.. when I get done.. I only have 2 of the 3 monitors working..  What exactly should I research in order to get the 3rd one going.. What would I be looking for regarding configuration and where do I look
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12:00.02babilenaltab: Could you paste the output of "uname -a", "dpkg -l linux-image*", "ls -lah /lib/modules" and "dpkg -S /lib/modules/3.14.32-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64/" to http://paste.debian.net ?
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12:00.36sypherbabilen: It's an OVH virtual server kernel, I believe.
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12:01.11altabsypher: yes it is
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12:01.51babilenProbably an OpenVZ box
12:01.56BluesKajForceRecon, no point speculating since support here will need actual errors from /var/log for example to figure what the problem is.
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12:02.20babilenaltab: So, do you have control over the kernel your VM uses?
12:02.40FBI_Anonhey what happens if apt-get upgrade (via ssh tunnel) is interupted? can i just continue later with apt-get upgrade or do i need ot add special flags?
12:02.43ForceReconokay.. I am going to do it.. :)
12:02.52ForceReconlets see where this train takes us
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12:04.40mum0lHi guys, I've some weird thing with my Debian 7.8.. I've a user named "dtuser" and in limits.conf there are limits set for him to 10k, sadly system do not see them.. and put default ones, any ideas what can be the reason of that behaviour? https://pastebin.com/raw/Vqpif2ky
12:05.14mum0lsystem was reloaded couple of times and the issue still exist, I;m running a bit out of ideas..
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12:07.25iam_hello everyone
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12:13.03iam_anybody knows how to setup pure kde without its apps? excluding just install kde-plasma-desktop package and then remove unnecessary apps.
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12:17.24jellyFBI_Anon: all apt commands are supposed to be restartable.
12:17.30fender0107401Hi all, I just upgraded my system to 9.0 and I got one question: where is the ifconfig cmd?
12:17.57jellyfender0107401: use "ip a" or install net-tools back
12:17.58twfender0107401: deprecated, use iproute2 commands if possible. If not, install net-utils (deprecated)
12:18.04twnet-tools, my mistake
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12:18.33fender0107401Got it. :)
12:18.50jellyfender0107401: read the release notes. https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#iproute2
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12:19.30fender0107401Good, will do that.
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12:22.55darme_do you guys use deb-multimedia packages?
12:23.22twIf I need a specific feature, but that hasn't been the case for a long time.
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12:23.57vickytw: sorry about the late reply, yes there is no separate partition for /lib could i move the directory to some other partition and use a link instead?
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12:24.48darme_debian is keeping things free, but free things doesnt show my videos correctly... or I just dont know how to configure it?
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12:25.52lovelybac0nmpv is not enough?
12:26.15twvicky: probably would work. I don't know if it'll detect correctly or goof up initrd generation or soforth. It's worth a shot, but have a rescue disk on hand.
12:26.47darme_im using vlc, but mpv is enough it works correctly
12:26.50vickytw: is there any way i could install an older kernel without breaking the system?
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12:29.41twThere are older kernel versions in apt if you're on wheezy/jessie. It might work on stretch but usually you can upgrade the kernel without breaking glibc, but not downgrade.
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12:31.24jellyvicky: no, do not move whole of /lib, that will break your system
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12:45.32twjelly: it worked for me >.> I had to use busybox-static to ln -s /opt/lib /lib. Reboots fine though.
12:46.03twBut like I said, I don't know the crazy side effects related to relocated stuff.
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12:47.06ForceReconokay, so I am going to do a clean stretch installation..  I believe I need firmware and non free.  Can someone point me to the correct ISO
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12:47.20ForceReconor if there is something else I should be using please let me know
12:47.28jellytw: initramfs has to be smart enough to mount both / and /lib before passing control to real OS
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12:48.22twOtherwise init can't come up. But it already has to be that smart to bring up /usr because all of systemd's crap is in there.
12:48.22jellydpkg sort of deals with symlinked dirs in a sane way
12:48.22dpkgjelly: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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12:49.02BliepoSo I am setting up opendkim, but for some reason the config in /etc/default/opendkim is being *completely ignored*
12:50.10BliepoI need to have the socket in /var/spool/postfix (because of the chroot), so I uncommented the RUNDIR suggestion that should do this, but it is being ignored
12:50.28BliepoInstead the socket is still located in /var/run/opendkim/opendkim.sock
12:50.47jellyor you can dispose of silly postfix chroot
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12:51.20BliepoOr I could just fix this problem and have my chroot
12:51.36twvicky: actually, it's much safer to move just /lib/modules and that should cover your issue.
12:51.42ForceReconokay so why are non free firmware unofficial
12:51.56ForceReconand should I try the official or go with firmware-9.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
12:51.57twmoving lib/ld.so is probably just straight up a bad idea.
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12:55.19jellyForceRecon: Debian ships only free software, so any image that has even a tiny bit of non-free software won't ever be official
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12:57.54ForceReconyeah I just read the difference online.. However, the unofficial could have been created by anyone on the dev team including maybe the big boys. So the unofficial supports new hardware, might install differently and includes items not found in the official debian repository. Which is good and bad..
12:58.24ForceReconI am going to try the unofficial and see if it works.. if not then I will try the official and deal with missing things later on
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12:58.34iam_Hi all. Anybody knows how to setup pure kde without its apps? Excluding just install kde-plasma-desktop package and then remove unnecessary apps
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12:59.10ForceReconwhat I find interesting in linux is there is no visual way to know if a driver was not loaded for something and unless you really track it down you will never know what you are missing, vs windows so to speak.  How incorrect is that thinking
12:59.18jellyForceRecon: these support the exact same hardware as the official images, but you don't have to add firmware on the side to make some drivers work
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13:04.05Plushfishircd-irc2 on stretch hangs at setting up
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13:05.06ForceReconwhen I used to build windows machines I always created a d drive for my dropbox and games folder and downloads.. I do like the linux structure, is it wise to change the home drive to its own spot>
13:05.42ForceReconwhat are common drive partitioning suggestions
13:06.22Plushfish"systemctl status <name>" gives me "start operation times out" ... wtf is this for a status message!?
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13:07.04dna1Does debian stable still come without wireless?
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13:10.23towo^workdna1, this question does not make many sense
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13:11.08dna1i thought they would add that with the update
13:11.33towo^workdebian stable does work fine with wireless
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13:11.47towo^workdna1, so again, tell us your real problem
13:11.52dna1you have to download extra repositories
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13:12.21towo^workmost wireless chipsets needs non-free firmware#
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13:12.49towo^workand since debian is dfsg, that firmwares or repos are not included
13:12.59towo^workso read about non-free and be happy
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13:14.26dna1does ubuntu come with these non free firmwares?
13:15.01hasdfwant to switch from php7.0 (dotdeb sources) to php7.0 with stretch sources. How would I do this?
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13:15.31towo^workdna1, does it matter?
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13:16.17BliepoHow nice, the opendkim.service uses hard coded values for the socket and pid file. Thereby ignoring /etc/default/opendkim
13:16.34dna1i'm just asking
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13:16.40choiceHello! How can I use FireFox on an OpenBox machine? I downloaded and untarred it. But how do I start it from the X-Server?
13:16.43choiceThere is no start menu, no terminal no nothing :)
13:16.50towo^workdna1, in a debian channel?
13:17.13towo^workubuntu is not debian, so ask in their channel
13:17.29dna1in a debian context i would say
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13:17.47choiceWhen I right-click, I get a menu with "webbrowser". But that gives me chromium. How can I start my downloaded FireFox?
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13:19.09tremoloYou can open a terminal and run it from wherever you untarred it to. You can edit your openbox menu to add an entry for it.
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13:20.20choiceGuess I have to install some terminal emulator then? But which one?
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13:25.56twI suggest xterm or rxvt and going from there. I'm using lxterminal, but I haven't bothered to change the defaults for x-terminal-emulator.
13:26.20twYou may as well check if x-terminal-emulator is set to something useful already.
13:28.14Plushfishtw: Does your last line mean Debian doesn't have a useful terminal?
13:28.17Plushfishlol'd
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13:29.33choiceHello! I am trying to run the latest FireFox on Debian 8, but it complains it is missing libgtk-3.so.0
13:29.38choiceCan I install it somehow?
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13:30.58twPlushfish: since x-terminal-emulator is selected using the alternatives system, it might be set to something that isn't nice to work with if you haven't installed something nice.
13:32.10towo^workchoice, what you mean with latest firefox?
13:32.15twchoice: have you tried installing firefox-esr from apt? That'd probably save you a lot of trouble.
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13:32.21towo^workchoice, doenloaded tarball? if yes, which?
13:32.34towo^works/e/w
13:32.59choicetowo^work: Not sure. The one from the mozilla page. It automagically choosen one.
13:33.24towo^workwhy you do such nonsense?
13:33.29|DM|Wait a minute, I just realized
13:33.38towo^workinstall it from apt and all is good
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13:33.51|DM|If I need a ^4.10 kernel to boot up my ryzen pc
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13:33.53|DM|How the hell do I get and build that kernel, when debian 9 ships wiht 4.9 ??!?!?
13:34.02towo^workchoice, and propably you have doenloaded the wrong arch
13:34.04|DM|Crosscompile it?
13:34.05choicetowo^work: In the repos, there is only iceweasel. I installed that one now.
13:34.11towo^workchoice, no
13:34.18|DM|iceweasel points at firefox esr right now, no?
13:34.21choicetowo^work: That made my chromium menu entry go away. How do I get it back?
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13:35.09|DM|Or does ryzen boot on 4.9, just not to full potential?
13:35.20twIt'll boot, you won't get MT support, is how it reads.
13:35.26twI don't have one though, so YMMV.
13:37.09|DM|Ah, ok. Guess I wont get to use the threads to full potential first compile round
13:37.16|DM|Still, if it boots, fixable
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13:38.06twThere's no reason it shouldn't boot. It's still x86. They'd have to do something really funky (abhorably compatibility breaking) to make it not boot.
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13:54.34jstolare1just upgraded from jessie to stretch.  It seems that chkconfig has been removed from stretch?  At least aptitude now lists it as obsolete.
13:54.56jstolarekwhat aree the recommended replacements?
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13:56.02duryhi there channel :-)
13:56.55durydoes this repo work or it's down deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports firefox-release
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13:57.25JuridaHi, I need an application that will edit packets for me at tcp level
13:57.31Juridais there such a thing?
13:58.48duryis firefox repository for debian broke or what?
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14:01.35duryhow can?
14:02.07durycan anyone drive me please?
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14:03.27duryJurida, packages for tcp?
14:03.45bullgard4Where is available a public archive for the mailing list debian-user-german@lists.debian.org?
14:03.56Juridacapture, edit, and send actually
14:03.58Juridathat sort of thing
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14:04.48duryJurida, jeesuuss no idea mate, sorry
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14:04.59twtcpdump/pcap, iptables, squid, nfnetlink_queue (interface). You can do a lot of interesting things, you'd have to be more specific.
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14:05.50durytw, can you assist please?
14:06.08twdury: install firefox-esr from the regular repositories.
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14:06.27twI don't know anything about that particular repository.
14:06.56durywhich one is yours then? tw
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14:07.05rafalcppW: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/jessie-backports/main/binary-i386/PackagesIndex: Hash Sum mismatch
14:07.22rafalcppThe following packages will be upgraded:    debian-archive-keyring
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14:07.30rafalcppare both this things expected for debian 8 today?
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14:08.26duryrafalcpp, you got the same problem?
14:08.39rafalcppdury: I got the above, yes
14:09.12rafalcppdury: I got the above, yes
14:09.23rafalcppdury: asking #debian-security on OFTC irc
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14:10.23rafalcppdury: ask them if you want to. got to afk now
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14:10.53duryrafalcpp, what's afk?
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14:11.36greycat"away from keyboard"
14:11.47durycatch it
14:11.48ham5lol wow
14:12.13durygreycat, :-)
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14:12.37durygreycat, what could be the problem you think?
14:13.03greycatThe problem?  Is that he's not at his keyboard to answer what afk means.
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14:13.36durygreycat, I mean with that firefox repo
14:13.53greycatWhat makes you think I know anything about firefox repositories?
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14:15.26durygreycat, I've thought you know another repo to replace that
14:15.35durygreycat, sorry
14:15.42greycatI just got here.  I don't even have CONTEXT for what you are asking.
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14:17.46durygreycat, I'm asking why  Failed to fetch http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/jessie-backports/firefox-release/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: 149.20.4.15 80] not working probably it¡s down what you think?
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14:18.35greycatWhy bother using mozilla.debian.net?  Isn't 52 already a large enough number?  Didn't it already change enough random things?  Already make your buttons gigantic enough?
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14:19.29f-aI am having difficulties with `startx` and .xsession-errors has this entry
14:19.32bullgard4[solved]
14:19.33f-adbus-update-activation-environment: warning: error sending to systemd: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process org.freedesktop.systemd1 exited with status 1
14:19.46f-awhat can I do to diagnose this (no DE/xmonad)
14:19.57durygreycat, right .
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14:21.10durygreycat, great hack though
14:21.16greycaterr... what?
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14:21.33greycatf-a: personally I'd start with "systemctl status dbus" (as root, so you get logs too)
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14:23.04f-ais active and seems fine, greycat , last message: Jun 20 16:10:25 x60s dbus[428]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1'
14:23.25greycatThen I've got no ideas.
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14:25.07twf-a: usually the display manager starts a per-session user dbus process. If you're calling startx, you may need to start your own.
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14:25.40greycattw: I've never had to do that.  It has always worked for me.  Jessie and stretch, fvwm, no DE.
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14:26.26greycatf-a: is there anything unusual about this setup?  Did you replace systemd with some other init system?  Are you inside a VM/container of some kind?
14:26.33twgreycat: do you use dbus-launch in that config or just exec the processes as children of your process-session directly?
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14:27.03zykotick9dury: <sidenote> i'm getting a 404 from m.d.n's jessie-backports as well, so you are not alone...
14:27.08f-agreycat: no, systemd is there, no container/vm. I compiled xmonad myself though
14:27.20greycattw: I login on tty1, and run 'startx'.  I have a .xsession file that does a few things, then 'exec fvwm' at the end.  Very traditional.  I have not had to manually touch dbus or anything.
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14:27.56f-aalso alt-n does not work so I gotta exit irssi for a second to detach tmux
14:27.57f-abrb
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14:30.45zykotick9f-a: <sidenote> i ran into an issue with alt-n with stretch's xterm... i spend a few seconds trying to figure it out, but just install rxvt-unicode and called it a day...
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14:31.33f-azykotick9: I do use urxvt too, but god knows why xterm is spawned
14:31.47f-aand the usable screen is a quarter of what it used to be
14:31.53f-aI suspect xmonad gets not invoked
14:32.36f-aI forgot: where should I find an invocation of it? in .xinitrc?
14:32.48greycatstartx reads ~/.xsession if that exists, or ~/.xinitrc otherwise
14:33.00JuridaI love bash compilers
14:33.00greycatif neither exists, then it uses the default system Xsession
14:33.14duryzykotick9, so what's the solution then?
14:33.17f-aok, got no .xsession
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14:33.34greycat/etc/X11/Xsession then, probably
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14:33.58JuridaDoes anyone know some good bash compiler?
14:34.41zykotick9dury: wait 'till it's fixed?
14:34.56greycatUse firefox-esr 52 from security?
14:35.08duryzykotick9, right, ok.... cheerss there
14:35.20f-agreycat: ok, apt-get removing xmonad and compiling it from source might not have been my best bet I fear. Can you tell me where/when you call your dm?
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14:35.34greycatthe last line of my ~/.xsession is exec fvwm
14:35.35twJurida: What are you trying to do that requires compiling shell script?
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14:36.17Juridarestrict users from editing said script
14:36.33greycattranslation: hiding how horribly bad his script is
14:36.36duryall right guys
14:36.44Juridaand selling it
14:36.49greycatand that.
14:36.53Juridagotta love that one
14:36.58f-agreycat: beforeor after . /etc/X11/Xsession ?
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14:37.23greycatf-a: No no.  If you use a .xsession file, you are *overriding* /etc/X11/Xsession and not using it at all.
14:37.46f-agreycat: in my .xinitrc, as last line, I have . /etc/X11/Xsession
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14:38.12greycatMy .xsession has 4 lines, but if I wrote it in one line for IRC it would look like xsetroot -solid gray; xmodmap -e "keysym Super_L = Multi_key"; xset s off; xset dpms 0 1800 0; exec fvwm
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14:38.28f-amhhhh
14:38.31Juridamac users will buy bash scripts without a thought
14:38.33Jurida: - )
14:38.59twf-a: /etc/X11/Xsession doesn't return, it calls exit 0
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14:39.05f-auhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
14:39.06greycathttp://mywiki.wooledge.org/GreyCat/CompilingBad
14:39.10f-aand now I am there in X
14:39.11durybbl
14:39.20f-athanks greycat Jurida & friends
14:39.30Juridagreycat: I do not agree with your opinions
14:39.42f-aI can now open a terminal and play nethack
14:39.47f-awell since we are there
14:40.13f-asince we are there, I had to (root) dpkg-reconfigure console-setup again
14:40.25f-a(while in linux console)
14:40.29syphergreycat: I 100% agree with that.
14:40.32f-ais there a way to make it permanent
14:40.37Juridacalling something "bad" because you don't like that feature / possibility is very short-sighted in my opinion
14:40.41FBI_Anonhey what happens if apt-get upgrade (via ssh tunnel) is interupted? can i just continue later with apt-get upgrade or do i need ot add special flags?
14:40.43Juridathe more options the better
14:40.45syphergreycat: Clarifying, I completely agree with your opinions on that page.
14:40.47twgreycat: if signature enforcement existed, I'd disagree with you, but for the most part, you're spot on.
14:41.02FBI_Anonoh wait jelly answered me. nevermind.
14:41.18greycatFBI_Anon: if you were still in the downloading stage, you can continue with no problems
14:41.27dontknowugh! firefo release doesn't exist for stretch >.<
14:41.27FBI_Anonno it was in the second stage
14:41.33Arcademanquick question: is there any eta on when stretch backports will be enabled via the on-line package manager?
14:41.34FBI_Anongreycat: it was in the installing stage
14:41.38tremoloJurida: Wasn't the point of compiling it to obfuscate the code and diminish your customers' options?
14:41.39greycatFBI_Anon: if it died during package installations, you may have to do "apt-get -f install" and/or "dpkg --configure -a"
14:41.46FBI_Anonok cool greycat
14:41.55twJurida: if your shell script is complex enough and hard enough to maintain and you continue to maintain it, people will pay you to maintain it. This is effectively what RHEL and proxmox are.
14:42.19twProxmox being a buttload of disgusting perl.
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14:43.02sypherI may be wrong, but I suspect that obfuscating a script so that it can be sold is anathema to the spirit of the DFSG.
14:43.22Juridatremolo: tw : I am not selling algorithms and information, I'm selling a single series of tasks, if they want more options they'll pay for that
14:43.39greycatsypher: I agree.  It would almost certainly be considered non-free because the source code is supposed to be "the preferred form for editing"
14:44.16syphergreycat: To say nothing of "free redistribution."
14:44.34tremoloShort answer: I don't know of a good bash compiler. Longer answer, I have never had any interest in a bash compiler because the only reasons for such a thing to exist make me puke a little.
14:45.45tremoloSo maybe they exist and I've just not been exposed to them.
14:46.11greycatIf they exist (which I'm sure they do), they are in the sleazy underworld, along with programs for sending spam email and so on.
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14:47.15Juridabusiness is business, that's why the most widely used user-oriented operating system (windows) and one of its founders (bill gates) became rich, not with free software. Cars don't work with free software
14:47.17tremoloIt's such a bizarre concept that I first thought you were asking which compiler to use to build bash.
14:47.26Juridadon't you drive a car, greycat sypher ?
14:47.36Juridatremolo: ^
14:47.45greycatJurida: I think you have trolled long enough.  Debian doesn't have any of them.  Please look elsewhere.
14:48.06JuridaMerely mentioning facts is not trolling.
14:48.32jellyJurida: keep this channel for tech support issues please, if you want to chat on philosophies of OS and software, there's #debian-offtopic
14:48.34tremoloI ride a bike, 1983 Nighthawk. I'm not sure what software has to do with it.
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14:50.22greycatI've been informed that Debian does have 'shc'.  So my earlier statement was incorrect.
14:50.31Jurida[16:39] <greycat> http://mywiki.wooledge.org/GreyCat/CompilingBad     ;        [16:48] <jelly> Jurida: keep this channel for tech support issues
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14:53.29twf-a: as far as I know, all actions with dpkg-reconfigure are permanent.
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14:53.55f-atw: are you running stretch?
14:54.13twyes, but lightdm -> i3, not startx.
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14:54.57f-atw: I meant the linux terminal not X
14:56.01iodevgreycat: hi
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14:56.49twf-a: Either way, dpkg-reconfigure calls the deb package's configure (post-?)install script which should be permanent.
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14:57.39dunderprotois there a pgp signed sha sum somewhere for the latest release? I can't find seem to find it
14:57.56jellydunderproto: in the very same directory where you got the .iso image from
14:59.04dunderprotojelly: Thanks. I clicked on the link on the front page, so it wasn't obvious at first, but I realized that if I leave out the file name, I can see the iso directory.
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14:59.29jellyyeah, sorry, it's not linked right there next to iso
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15:02.06dontknowis it ok to install firefox from unstable on stretch?
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15:02.27greycatNo.
15:02.38dontknow:/
15:02.49greycat,v firefox-esr
15:02.50juddPackage: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; buster: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 52.2.0esr-1
15:02.58greycatfuck, it's not even *newer*
15:03.07greycatwhat are you people even talking about?
15:03.45epsilonwhich is actually a good question, what's the best way to have most current (and bugfree) firefox in debian?
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15:03.57dontknowstretch doesn't have firefox backport because of rust dependency
15:03.57greycatmake sure you've got your security.debian.org line set up, and you get 52.  which is the same version that sid has.
15:03.57jellydontknow: are you missing security repo in stretch?
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15:04.34jelly,v firefox
15:04.35juddPackage: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 54.0-1; experimental: 55.0~b2-1
15:04.37dontknowjelly, no. i have firefox-esr 52.2.0
15:04.39epsilonjust using backports, or external docker container?
15:04.48twiirc, debian-security releases for both the major browsers just track upstream because it's an almost insurmountable task to maintain.
15:05.05epsilontw: exactly
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15:06.05epsilonsame applies to common software with very frequent updates and major versions, like wordpress
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15:06.40greycatThe thought of using an even *faster* release cycle than -esr just makes me feel old and tired.
15:07.21twepsilon: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#browser-security
15:07.31epsilonwell esr is very conservatice, version upgrade liake 1-2 years - in web term it's already very slow :-/
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15:08.46jellyepsilon: if only.  just 10 months lifetime.
15:08.58dontknowwhat will happen for future esr release for firefox. wouldn't it require rust?
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15:09.15jellydontknow: we'll cross that bridge when we come to it
15:09.18greycatthe picture on https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/ shows 12 months for 52 -> 59 but I seem to recall it being less than 12 months, typically
15:09.49jellythere's a 2 month overlap, but the step is 10 months
15:10.10greycatmaybe I'm reading the picture wrong
15:10.27jellymaybe they prolonged 52 for some reason
15:10.29epsilonjelly: I know, point of view... @work I have firefox on my windows-box, windows-servers have firefox-esr. On debian-servers and workstations have whatever debian stable provides
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15:10.45greycatwhy would a -server have a browser installed at all?
15:10.57jellybut what do I know, I use -esr builds from Mozilla themselves, not debian's
15:12.53jhutchins_wkepsilon: Your servers have a GUI installed?
15:13.12jellydontknow: no
15:13.29jellyer, nevermind that, got scrolled off
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15:14.19dontknowjelly, why don't you follow debian?
15:14.30dontknowinstead you use mozilla version
15:14.36jellyhysterical raisins
15:14.44JuniusBrutuslol
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15:15.30dontknow._.
15:15.34epsilonsorry to the firefox-maintainers to say this, but: the problem of using debian version of firefox is, I always have some fuzzy feeling the browser had some know vulnerabilities which is fixed in the vanilla firefox
15:16.07dontknowo.0
15:16.19greycatI'm sure every version of every major GUI web browser has hundreds of security holes just waiting to be found.
15:16.30dontknowfirefox-esr gets security updates
15:16.55jellyepsilon: your fuzzy feeling is incorrect, mozilla upstream fixes security issues in both release and esr, usually at the same time
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15:17.58jelly("release" being the branch they prefer normal users to use, and which requires increasingly arcane tools to even build)
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15:20.29epsilonso, I'm not sure about this, you think using debian's firefox-esr is safe enough for daily surfing in web?
15:20.33dontknowjelly, can you use firefox release from mozilla?
15:20.53greycatSure, why not?
15:21.21dontknowepsilon, yes! even it is better than firefox release
15:21.49dontknowbecause code will remain unchanged and it will get only security updates
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15:22.00jellydontknow: I've been using it for years now.
15:22.15jellyit has its own autoupdate
15:22.24epsilongreycat: I don't want ot be offensive, please believe me. I just compare of numbers of updates in windows-firefox (very frequent) and debian-firefox-esr (not so often)
15:22.36dontknowjelly, but you said you are using esr version
15:22.52jellydontknow: yes.  It updated itself from 45.9esr to 52.2esr this week.
15:23.10greycatjelly: he was asking about using NON-esr "release"
15:23.10jellyjust like the one in debian, it made me sad
15:23.14dontknowjelly, but i am talking about latest firefox
15:23.28greycatthose things that they call releases that are really betas
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15:23.37themillepsilon: firefox-esr in debian and firefox-esr in windows get updated pretty much as often
15:23.46jellydontknow: I imagine you could unpack that tarball and use it, just like I'm using the esr tarball.
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15:24.06themillepsilon: you need to make a fair comparison
15:24.15epsilonhm
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15:24.21jellydontknow: if you want auto-updates to work, just make sure it's unpacked as your normal user
15:24.41dontknowok. i will check out later
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15:25.04jellydontknow: and you need to make your own .desktop file and put it in the righty place if you want it to appear in menus
15:25.08jellyright*
15:25.33greycatI believe that place is /usr/share/applications/
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15:26.38themillor ~/.local/share/applications/
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15:27.20jellyIguess if you have your own /opt/firefox tree or even ~/firefox/ you probably don't want to pollute packaged namespace for .desktop files
15:27.26Digzheh... my debian 9.0 dvd torrents have seeded 24 GB, 14 GB, and 10 GB overnight for DVDs 1 2 and 3...
15:27.33greycatStupid question: why did they make ~/.config and then abandon it and make ~/.local/share?
15:28.08jellymysterious are the paths of FDO
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15:28.23jelly(and really, gnome and redhat)
15:28.29themillputs that in the same boat as /usr/local/etc)
15:29.18jellyDigz: 34GB of firmware-dvd-1 !
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15:30.15jellybut really, it downloaded at 500Mbps or so, there's probably zero reason to leave a slower client seeding
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15:30.57dontknowjelly, could you enter about:buildconfg and search for "profile", please? does it include that flag?
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15:31.48Digzjelly, with my 1 Gbps upload, I may be helping at least a little bit.... i've seen it seed as high as 50 Mbit/s yesterday for a short while
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15:32.09Digzoh yay! Its toddler time....
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15:32.44hatanice spam
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15:33.00Ticho_I wouldn't go as far as calling it 'nice'
15:33.15greycatit's called sarcasm, Ticho_
15:33.38BluesKajit's kinda typical
15:34.16tremoloI leave you guys for five minutes...
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15:34.54celyrspam level has lowered a lot
15:34.55redsPLthose spammers almost always highlight me.. lol
15:35.34celyrthey used to prank bigpresh or something
15:35.35somepoortechhow exactly do they think that's going to attract users?
15:35.36BluesKajthey highlight everyone in the nick list
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15:36.14greycatFirefox ESR releases: 10 (Jan 2012), 17 (Nov 2012), 24 (Sep 2013), 31 (Jul 2014), 38 (May 2015), 45 (Mar 2016), 52 (Mar 2017)
15:37.10greycatSo... 10 months initially, but 12 months for the last couple.
15:37.26sim590thought someone wanted to talk... Realized it was spam. Sigh...
15:37.40BluesKajgave up on FF ...bloated and becoming reliant on apps i don't want
15:38.06epsilonBluesKaj: what's the alternative?
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15:38.39hatarizon is getting hit with that same spam now
15:38.40BluesKajepsilon, i use chrome
15:38.52hataand simultaneously a big netsplit
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15:39.06hataor was that a botnet
15:40.00simmaniacahhh
15:40.07hatamust be bots
15:40.07simmaniacoops sorry, WW
15:40.14jellygreycat: if 1 is a couple, yes
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15:41.28greycatjelly: the timeline for 59 also being 12 months, based on the previous image
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15:42.05jellyhata: don't comment on spam in here, this channel is for support with specific issues in and around Debian
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15:42.34hatanot much else happening at the moment
15:42.41jellyif you really have a pressing need to,
15:42.42jelly!offtopic
15:42.43dpkg#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users.  Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic.  Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
15:42.55jellyhata: does not matter.
15:43.14greycatI doubt even #debian-offtopic wants to hear random noise about spam bots
15:43.23maples1I've been using Chromium, and yesterday I upgraded my desktop to Stretch.  I've been hit by this bug (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=794215).  The workaround is to set the CHROME_DESKTOP environment variable, but I don't think I understand how environment variables work...
15:43.24juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/794215 in chromium (closed, moreinfo): «chromium isn't your default browser»; severity: minor; opened: 2015-07-31; last modified: 2016-03-21.
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15:43.42hatasomeone new might be on my ignore list, I'm done
15:44.12maples1I tried putting "export CHOME_DESKTOP=chromium.desktop" in /etc/profile, .xprofile, .profile, and .xsession, and none of them have seemed to work
15:44.43jellymaples1: what was that supposed to achieve, and "CHOME" vs "CHROME" ?
15:45.19maples1Sorry, that was an IRC typo.  I just double-checked, and it's spelled correctly
15:45.54maples1Either way, if I open a terminal and run "env", it still doesn't show up.  And I still get the message in Chromium
15:45.57greycatmaples1: how do you login?  Through a display manager?  Which one?  Are you running GNOME, or some other desktop env, or no DE?
15:46.11maples1I use lightDM, and my DE is LXDE
15:46.25maples1I also setup autologin, if that makes a difference
15:46.26greycatmaples1: then you can probably put "export ..." in ~/.xsessionrc (not ~/.xsession)
15:46.44greycatmaples1: see https://wiki.debian.org/Xsession
15:46.48jellyoh nice, that's an actual bug
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15:47.16maples1That did it.  Thanks!
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15:48.02jellyunfixed since 2015 :-|
15:48.06greycatI still strongly dislike the fact that we can't answer something as simple as "where do I put env vars" without asking multiple questions about desktop environment crap.
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15:49.26jellygreycat: there's a need for a RPC API to put new env. vars in some place where they would get applied to all the shells and processes instantaneously without restart.
15:49.41dunderprotoIs it possible to run debian on a raspberry pi without proprietary software? I've read that raspbian has many blobs
15:49.41jellyit could work via dbus!
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15:50.18jellygreycat: I bet systemd will have something like that in a year.
15:50.23maples1jelly: That's what I thought /etc/profile was for!  I'd be OK with logging out and back in, just as long as it *worked*
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15:51.35jellydunderproto: unlikely, if raspbian could have gotten rid of those they would have
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16:13.45vadimkolchevflashplugin-nonfree dropped?
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16:15.48ullf09721Yes,but still you can dowload from other sources
16:16.22BCMMit's still showing as installable for me - what gives?
16:16.34BCMM(on sid)
16:16.44BCMMoh, install fails though
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16:17.15ullf09721here: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=flashplugin-nonfree
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16:18.20nfrI have two databases and two webservers running apache+php+docker containers. Every few hours one of the webservers gets completely stuck (I can't login via SSH or tty anymore). Any ideas how to debug this further?
16:18.48BCMMi get it now, the package still exists but the actual flash plugin doesn't download
16:19.17missmbob!flash
16:19.17dpkgFlash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser.  Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations.  http://wiki.debian.org/Flash, or see nasty bug #841373
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16:19.38missmbobthe bug report has a script that works to get flash
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16:21.45vadimkolchevis this the reason why it was dropped?
16:22.15analogicalis there a built-in disk manager in Debian and if so what is it?
16:22.27missmbobvadimkolchev: yes
16:22.30vadimkolchevstrange bug, my system beeps with each letter I input here. No other programs are affected) New feature in Debian 9?)
16:24.04tremoloanalogical: I think fdisk is part of a default install, if you're comfortable with that. gparted might not be installed by default, but it's a pretty GUI for managing disks/partitions.
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16:35.25zerickIs it possible to get 'sar' info from the current time, not from what is saved in /var/log/sar ?
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16:35.55iodevzerick: q: what is sar?
16:36.02greycatsystem V unix reporting tool
16:36.08zerickyup
16:36.19greycat"system activity reporter" according to "man sar" on HP-UX
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16:38.50iodevgreycat: kinda like journalctl?
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16:39.19greycatkinda like vmstat, I always thought, but I never really used sar
16:39.28samnobHi, I love gdebi on the commandline. Instead of the dpkg -i DEB; apt install DEP; dpkg -i DEB loop. I have no interest in the gtk frontend. Is there another command I can use on a small machine to avoid intalling all the X/GTK dependencies?
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16:40.05iodevsamnob: simple
16:40.09iodevmake an alias
16:40.19iodevfrom gdebi to dpkg -i
16:40.46iodevor write a /usr/bin/gdebi script with bash samnob
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16:41.52jellysamnob: it doesn't have to be a loop at all.  You can do: "dpkg -i DEB", and when it fails, just do "apt-get -f install"
16:42.22samnobI was hoping apt-get, apt or other had added local .deb install support while I wasn't paying attention.
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16:42.57tremoloIs apt preferable to apt-get?
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16:43.18samnobjelly: that could work. I can even put it in ~iodev/bin/gdebi ;)
16:43.47jellyso basically dpkg -i "$@" || apt-get -f install
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16:43.56samnobtremolo: I've been telling people to put apt-get in scripts and use apt if you're in front of the console watching.
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16:44.07iodevsamnob: no need to make an iodev folder on your PC :D
16:44.42greycatThe main difference between apt and apt-get is apt deletes the .deb files in the cache by default, and apt-get doesn't.
16:44.53ForceReconAfternoon
16:45.04jellysamnob: but then, sometimes apt-get -f install can't figure out missings deps and aptitude -f install can
16:45.05samnobiodev: too late I've made you a local user and put you in the wheel group.
16:45.13jellysamnob: A-HA
16:45.39iodevsamnob: that means I get to psudo(pseudo)-hack :D
16:45.47jellyCLEARLY you're not an experienced Debian user, else you'd know it's "sudo" group in this part of the playground!
16:46.06tremoloI've always just used apt-get/apt-cache/whatever, but I've seen apt mentioned a few times and wasn't familiar.
16:46.06jelly(debian has no wheel)
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16:46.31iodevquickly groups!
16:46.34jellytremolo: it has... a PROGRESS BAR
16:46.47jellywhat luxury
16:46.51iodevcdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev netdev
16:46.52greycatAnd yellow text that you can't read on a white tty background!
16:46.54tremolofancy
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16:46.58iodevno wheel :'(
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16:47.33jellyiodev: corollary: also, no third wheel
16:48.11iodevthird wheel?
16:48.13samnobYeah apt makes those of us who spend too much time making sure we have 256 color support on the console and xterms working happy, but is mostly just candy.
16:48.29BluesKajjelly, but no coloured cli prompt on my laaptop, something needs enabling
16:49.03jellyBluesKaj: step 1) echo /bin/zsh | chsh
16:49.15jellyhides
16:49.22greycatstep 0) install zsh?
16:49.43samnobiodev: you'll always be in the wheel group of my heart ❤
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16:51.25iodevsamnob: don't get too weird
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16:59.40analogicalare all three DVDs necessary for installation?
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16:59.50alecovanalogical: No.
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17:00.07analogicalhow many do I need?
17:00.20greycat!netinst
17:00.21dpkgit has been said that netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian.  If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later.  See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/  See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
17:00.21jellyanalogical: one netinst image and a stable internet connection is enough
17:00.23iodevanalogical: just get the neinst!
17:00.25iodev*netinst
17:00.46analogicalI don't want to use the netinst
17:01.01jellyanalogical: do you have a stable internet connection at installation time?
17:01.07analogicalnope
17:01.15jellythen get dvd-1
17:01.19iodevanalogical: ahh, I see
17:01.20analogicalok
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17:01.45jellyif the machine is a laptop or something else that needs non-free firmware,
17:01.59jelly!firmware images
17:01.59dpkgUnofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>.
17:02.24jellythe image under http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-dvd/
17:03.22iodevjelly: hmm, my PC always managed to netinst even without firmware-realtek, it complained, but worked :-)
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17:04.54jellyiodev: doesn't sound like a laptop!
17:05.01samnobiodev: was the install via the realtek nic? Or was it happening via another interface?
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17:05.27iodevsamnob: realtek r8169
17:05.33iodevon a desktop PC
17:05.42iodevgigabyte mb ga-f2a88xm-ds2
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17:06.46greycatwired NICs that need firmware may still work (less efficiently) without it
17:07.11iodevgreycat: wifi instead needed firmware-ralink badly! (Ralink not realtek)
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17:07.36iodevanyway, after I got it installed, I installed the wired NIC's firmware
17:07.39dontknowr8169 works without any firmware
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17:08.17iodevdontknow: yeah, I've had 2 board with this chip till now, both worked
17:08.28greycatMy home PC loads rtl_nic/rtl8106e-1.fw for something that has "r8169" in front of it
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17:08.49iodevgreycat: r8169 supports a whole lot of NICs
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17:09.02iodevlike r8188, r8106, r....
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17:09.13iodevI think I may have 88
17:09.30jellygreycat: and it may get tcp checksum offload and some other stuff for that!  which linux doesn't use by default because chips often buggy
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17:09.45iodevgreycat: nope I have r8168: [   11.118551] r8169 0000:02:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw
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17:10.02Keis there a way to see why aptitude is not automatically cleaning a particular package?
17:10.15jellyKe: aptitude why packagename
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17:10.58Kei A man-db      Suggests   www-browser
17:11.20Kejelly: yeah, seems to work, was not expecting manpages to want firefox-esr
17:11.47KeI guess it would be ok with elinks or something
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17:11.56jellyKe: Suggest isn't followed automatically.  Perhaps this firefox-esr thing was installed manually
17:12.13jellySuggests*
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17:12.40Keis there a way to cleanup suggests, deborphan does not seem to be doing enough
17:13.18KeAPT::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant "false";
17:13.20Keperhaps
17:13.27jellydoes anything change if you apt-mark auto firefox-esr ?
17:13.38Keit's marked auto
17:13.44jellydrat
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17:13.56greycatwhat if you install some other web browser?
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17:14.34jellyI'd probably just remove it manually, it's not an answer to your question tho
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17:14.58Kethat should probably work, though I am trying to create moderately reproducible state based on manually installed packages (not marked auto)
17:15.14jelly!aptitude clone
17:15.15dpkgTo clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine.  This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not.  See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
17:15.17greycatwhy not "dpkg --get-selections"
17:15.18jellylike that?
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17:15.52Kejelly: well also the data needs to be human-readable
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17:16.11greycat... why?
17:16.25jellyKe: and a file containing a list of package nanes... isn't?
17:16.28Kebecause I want to maintain it in git etc.
17:16.35Kejust like I do everything else
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17:19.38Kejelly: also that clone thing is apparently exactly what I was already doing and was not wroking
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17:20.09greycatAnd by "not working" you mean "It's reproducing what I have, not what I wish I had"?
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17:20.31Kegreycat: it's reproducing what I wish I had, not what I had
17:21.10greycatshrugs and continues never using aptitude, and did you try "dpkg --get-selections" yet?
17:22.54iodevgreycat: I don't like aptitude either!
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17:23.35jellyKe: that ~i makes sure the list only has what's actually installed
17:23.52greycatI feel like an enormous effort has gone into trying to make "apt-get install gnome" be reversible, and the results don't work, and are simply confusing.
17:24.38Keyou can always get state by dpkg -l + aptitude search !~M~i >> apt install + aptitude markauto + aptitude unmarkauto
17:25.07KeI guess what I want is to never have suggested and recommended packages
17:25.16Kehttps://askubuntu.com/questions/351085/how-to-remove-recommended-and-suggested-dependencies-of-uninstalled-packages something like this
17:25.19jellygreycat: apt/aptitude do not keep track of _which_ package pulled in an optional (Recommends or Suggests) dependency.  Patches welcome?
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17:25.45iodevgreycat: well, gnome is soooo big
17:26.10jellyno state will give you that.  Maybe keeping all dpkg and apt* logs forever and parsing those.
17:28.09KeI guess I still would not have a solution for switching firefox to a more minimalistic browser, when firefox is no longer wanted
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17:28.42Keif it's actually needed, not just suggested
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17:29.07jellythere's basically two web browsers with security support, and both are rather heavy
17:29.36jellyI'm... not sure replacing a firefox with a chromium would make much of a difference
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17:30.26jellyother stuff either doesn't work on modern web, or isn't patched up, or both
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17:31.18teraflopsKe: I like qutebrowser, there's no debian package yet, but it's relatively easy to install
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17:36.21Kejelly: yup, really depends on, why someone wants a browser, remember that there are about 2 people on this channel that have ever seen non-dead code on an executable, compilers are just not clever enough to omit everything
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17:36.46Keman-db does not really require a browser the way I use it
17:36.54KeI have no idea, what is that way
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17:37.34greycatMaybe it's for those 2% of man pages that say "see http://..." instead of "see The So-And-So Administrator Guide"
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17:38.28KeIIRC when I saw a presentation about bloat, it had some examples  and I think the amount of dead code was more than 80%, but my memory is really bad and their coverage obviously was not exchaustive
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17:42.00jellyperhaps you can whip up a clever way to list packages marked auto which are only suggested by something and not recommended or depended on
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17:43.01greycatIt doesn't sound too bad until you remember that A can depend on B which recommends C which suggests C which ...
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17:43.41jellymaintainer of C should get off drugs then, probably
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17:44.52alekzlol
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17:51.12Kejelly: the askubuntu I pasted seems to have helped
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17:52.24Kemy installed size from old system is still twice the size of of fresh debootstrap with same packages
17:52.58Kesupposedly same, I am just pasting commands from the internet and running them as root
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17:58.29toruvinnanyone remembers when wheezy's support ends?
17:58.55greycat!wheezy lts
17:58.56dpkgSecurity support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25.  The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31.  See http://deb.li/2aC for excluded packages.  No changes to /etc/apt/sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts.
17:58.57toruvinnoh, dpkg remembers
17:59.11toruvinn2018, thank you, greycat.
17:59.25jellyless than a year left
17:59.38toruvinnwell it's just my home box
17:59.39Violinisthay
17:59.43Violinistoh i am back
17:59.46Keat least you can skip jessie now
17:59.54greycatNot literally.
17:59.54toruvinnbut since i'm leaving for quite some time, might be a good idea to upgrade it. i just fear s2disk would break or something. ;-)
17:59.57Violinisthay guys
18:00.03jellyKe: no you can't
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18:00.22greycatYou can upgrade to jessie, then immediately to stretch, but you can't skip.
18:00.22ForceReconproper way to install nvidia drivers?
18:00.23Ke=oP
18:00.35ForceReconalso states I am not sudo
18:00.46Kejust running that single command is the trivial part
18:00.51ForceReconhow do I get to be sudo and how do I install latest nvidia drivers
18:00.56greycatForceRecon: depends on the chipset.  lspci -nn | grep VGA
18:00.57Kefixing everything that breaks is the hard part
18:01.12ForceReconsays I need to stop x
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18:01.14greycatAnd you don't ever want "latest" anything.
18:01.22greycatWhatever you are doing, stop.
18:01.27ForceReconwell lets just try and get my pc out of laptop mode
18:01.29ForceReconokay
18:01.34ForceReconokay as in I will stop
18:01.53jellyForceRecon: what does say that?  do not use nvidia's own installer
18:02.02ForceReconokay
18:02.11ForceReconso I am sitting looking at fresh install..
18:02.21greycatlspci -nn | grep VGA
18:02.24ForceReconI am not part of sudo and had to run as su
18:02.31ForceReconI will type that.. 6 ft from pc
18:02.34jellyForceRecon: which coom,and said " need to stop x"?
18:02.46Violinistguys i found the tree colapse
18:02.49ForceRecondownloaded nvidia drivers for linux
18:02.52Violinistin nautilus
18:03.00ForceReconuncompressed, stopped told me to stop x
18:03.18greycatYou downloaded something *from* nvidia.com.  Don't use that.
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18:03.23jellyForceRecon: good, avoid those on debian
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18:03.42jelly!nvidia dkms
18:03.43dpkgFor Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems.  Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>.  Â«aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf».  Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
18:03.43sypherForceRecon: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
18:03.50jellyForceRecon: ^^ follow the dkms recipe
18:04.22jellysomeone messes up the wiki page so often, I've stopped refering to that
18:04.29sypherjelly: Noted.
18:04.31johnfghi guys
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18:04.52forcerecon_lspci -nn | grep VGA
18:04.52forcerecon_01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GM204 [GeForce GTX 980] [10de:13c0] (rev a1)
18:05.08forcerecon_temp for new PC
18:05.22johnfgAll 'normal' upgrades are done on my stretch vm.  Do I still need to do some kind of dist-upgrade, or does it automatically go to stable?
18:05.28forcerecon_1 monitor struggling at 1024 LAPTOP mode
18:05.35greycatGTK 980 is listed on http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/375.26/README/supportedchips.html so you should be OK following the instructions for "Version 375.26" under Drivers.
18:05.44greycaterr GTX
18:06.11jellyForceRecon: right.  Enable contrib and non-free sources, and follow what dpkg said, carefully.
18:06.23forcerecon_wow.. that means nothing to me.. sorry..
18:06.38forcerecon_hand holding temporarily please
18:06.39greycaton https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers if you choose to go that route instead of the bot
18:06.48jellyChecking driver support for PCI ID [10de:13c0]
18:06.48jellyYour card is supported by the default drivers.
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18:07.09jelly(default nvidia-driver, that output means)
18:07.10forcerecon_yeah I have video it says laptop.. 1 screen working.. default install
18:07.22forcerecon_so what is my next step
18:07.29greycatWhat problem are you having?
18:07.30jelly!non-free sources
18:07.31dpkgEdit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update».  But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software.  These may have onerous terms; check the licenses.  See also <sources.list>.
18:07.46jellyforcerecon_: ^^
18:07.55forcerecon_NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-375.20.run  I downloaded that.. get rid of it?
18:08.03jellyforcerecon_: it's irrelevant.
18:08.48jellyforcerecon_: you have a desktop card and like 3 monitors right?  Or am I confusing you with someone else
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18:09.33forcerecon_nope that is me
18:09.35forcerecon_3 monitors
18:09.45forcerecon_I wish I could just paste the sources.list here..
18:09.47jellysoo... did you enable non-free yet
18:09.48forcerecon_make life easier
18:09.59forcerecon_let me show you what I have.. take a momnet
18:10.00forcerecon_moment
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18:10.20jellydon't.  If you can't even edit one file, I'll let someone else help
18:10.39greycatIf it involves making nvidia cards do multiple monitors, it won't be me helping.
18:10.58jellygreycat: their drivers now have proper randr support
18:11.04johnfgcat /etc/issue is: Debian GNU/Linux 9 \n \l.  Am I at the latest release then?  No longer testing?
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18:11.30jellyjohnfg: depends on what's in your sources.list
18:12.05forcerecon_how do you take a quick photo of stuff on debian I am so used to doing it remote I have no clue
18:12.07johnfgstretch main
18:12.17greycatjohnfg: then yes, you're on stretch (stable)
18:12.26johnfgand stretch/updates main.
18:12.34johnfggreycat: jelly: cool!
18:12.52jellyjohnfg: you're safe if nothing says "testing" or "unstable" or "sid" anywhere, just stretch
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18:13.05johnfgMy older server, still running jessie, is 32bit, non-pae.  Would that still be supported in stretch?
18:13.06forcerecon_https://pastebin.com/TNwG85HC
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18:14.08jhutchins_wkforcerecon_: Don't use pastebin please.
18:14.10jhutchins_wk!paste
18:14.11dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
18:14.17greycathttps://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/i386/release-notes/
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18:14.53greycatdpkg, stretch release notes =~ s/testing/stretch/
18:14.53dpkgOK, greycat
18:15.18forcerecon_http://paste.debian.net/972435/
18:15.54johnfggreycat: that was for me?
18:16.16jellyforcerecon_: read those lines.  Do you already have "contrib" and "non-free" next to "main" in all the lines that have "main"?
18:16.37greycatif you're the one asking which i386 machines are supported, yes, see the stretch release notes.  Especially section 5.1.7
18:16.43forcerecon_yeah looks that way
18:17.01jellyforcerecon_: then read what dpkg said about "!non-free sources"
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18:17.30jellyforcerecon_: > ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update».
18:17.32johnfgjelly: Thanks, will do.
18:17.52forcerecon_I read that.. what is aptitude update.. run aptitude and update?
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18:17.58forcerecon_why not just terminal update
18:18.03forcerecon_but okay
18:18.04greycatIt's a command with two words in it.
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18:18.21greycat"terminal update" is not the same command and will not work.
18:18.31greycatit has to be "aptitude update" or "apt-get update" or "apt update"
18:18.46forcerecon_aptitude update does not run from terminal
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18:18.54greycatYou are a liar or an idiot.
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18:19.05jellyjohnfg: sorry, I haven't said anything for you after <jelly> johnfg: you're safe if nothing says "testing" or "unstable" or "sid" anywhere, just stretch
18:19.06jhutchins_wkforcerecon_: Yes it does.
18:19.08tremoloor doesn't have aptitude installed
18:19.11forcerecon_http://paste.debian.net/972435/
18:19.14forcerecon_qhoopa
18:19.22forcerecon_orcerecon is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
18:19.26greycatIf it gives "bash: aptitude: command not found" then try apt-get update instead.
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18:19.57greycatBecome root however you normally become root.  sudo or su.
18:20.06forcerecon_this was my first issue.. I am not in sudoers
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18:20.13johnfgjelly: Ok, running that script gave me an ok, so I'll plan to dist-upgrade to stretch.
18:20.29forcerecon_I tried sudo you want me to do su
18:20.29jellydpkg, non-free sources =~ s/aptitude/apt-get/
18:20.29dpkgjelly: OK
18:20.29greycatDo whatever you normally do.
18:20.38johnfgjelly: Yup got it, thanks.
18:20.44forcerecon_I would prefer to be in sudoers as that is what I normally do.. how do I add myself to sudoers
18:20.52forcerecon_and why would I not be in there already.
18:20.55forcerecon_seems odd
18:20.58forcerecon_I was under jessie
18:21.02greycatforcerecon_: "adduser $LOGNAME sudo" to put yourself into the sudo group, then log out and back in.
18:21.03johnfgforcerecon_: visudo, and add yourself.
18:21.08jellyjohnfg: if you want to do a release upgrade from jessie to stretch, make sure to read stretch release notes first
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18:21.17jellyjohnfg: /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
18:21.21johnfgjelly: Yup.
18:21.26jhutchins_wkDoesn't Debian usually use the sudo group and add users to that?
18:21.32forcerecon_how can I add myself to sudo if I am not in sudo.. don't I need to be SU to add me to sudo
18:21.39greycatjhutchins_wk: no, not unless you do crazy shit during the installer
18:21.57greycatjhutchins_wk: err, I mean, it doesn't do that by default* unless  you do crazy shit during install
18:22.10greycatforcerecon_: use su
18:22.20jhutchins_wkgreycat: I think the last time I ran the installer it explained that it would set up sudo if I didn't set  a root password.
18:22.34jellyjhutchins_wk: "crazy" means "accidentally or intentionally give installer an empty password for root when it asks"
18:22.34greycatjhutchins_wk: yes, that would qualify under crazy shit.
18:22.59forcerecon_loging out
18:23.03jellytranslated greycat to English
18:23.17leibnizhey whats up i'm having trouble connecting via ssh to my box from my laptop or my phone
18:23.39leibnizhow do i check to see if they are being blocked by a firewall or something
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18:24.08jhutchins_wkleibniz: Start by telling us what happens.  Did you use the -v options to increase verbosity?
18:24.21greycatStart by telling us what happens *WITHOUT -v*
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18:24.34leibnizso i just was chillin last night and i tried to connect to ssh and it's just timing out
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18:24.40greycatOK.
18:24.48leibnizbut when i connect to my other box and try to connect to it it's good
18:24.51greycatCan you ping the machine?
18:24.56forcerecon_so I did the apt-get update.. really nothing happened
18:25.08leibnizyea the machine is funtioning
18:25.27greycatleibniz: if you can ping A from B, but "ssh A" from B times out, that is definitely a firewall.
18:25.31johnfgIs it a 'safe' assumption, that since I have no problem with openldap, openafs, kerberos on my stretch vm that there  won't be any trouble in the dist-upgrade?
18:25.44jellyjohnfg: no :-)
18:25.45johnfgof jessie->stretch?
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18:26.04jellyread the release notes, they list known caveats.
18:26.06forcerecon_running in software rendering mode.. just fyi
18:26.19johnfgI've got them up now...
18:26.26jellyjohnfg: but the release is fresh, so not all the issues are known yet!
18:26.47leibnizno
18:26.50leibnizwait
18:26.57johnfgI should add openvpn in there too.
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18:27.15leibnizno it's ping timing out
18:27.39leibnizso i cant connect to the server with my home ip or ping the server with my home ip
18:27.40jellyjohnfg: each of those may get a newer version that requires 0 to lots of config changes
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18:28.06leibnizbut i can ping and connect to it from a different srver
18:28.08leibniz:O
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18:29.23jhutchins_wkleibniz: Is the other server on a different network?
18:29.34forcerecon_http://paste.debian.net/972436/
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18:30.16johnfgI know with other distros, there have been times when, e.g., openldap took a major amount of changing, as the distro hadn't kept up with the latest.
18:30.37jellyleibniz: if it's in the same network segment, ping it.  look at "arp -an" on the client where you're unable to connect from.  Note the MAC address associated with the IP address of your ssh server.  Now verify the MAC address for the interface on the (console of the) ssh server matches the one your ssh clients saw.
18:31.06jelly,v slapd
18:31.08juddPackage: slapd on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.4.31-2+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.4.31-2+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 2.4.31+really2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u2; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u3; jessie-security: 2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 2.4.44+dfsg-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.4.44+dfsg-5; sid: 2.4.44+dfsg-5; buster: 2.4.44+dfsg-5
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18:31.42jellyjohnfg: who can say what the openldap people changed from 2.4.40 to 2.4.44
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18:32.10jellyand what debian maintainer built contrary to the upstream's wishes
18:32.10johnfgjelly: they can :-)  And some of them maintain the release, I think, for debian.
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18:33.14jelly(like gnutls that basically only debian uses)
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18:34.01johnfgjelly: At least far better than what's on centos/fedora!
18:34.40jellyjohnfg: one good thing about debian packaging is, if you install apt-listchanges and choose to see NEWS.Debian, you can see changes the maintainer deemed important enough, before the actual package upgrade
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18:35.12johnfgjelly: I don't think I do, but I'll install right now.
18:35.41jelly(so you probably ought to have apt-listchanges installed on at least one system if you have a dozen similar systems, and try patching up there first)
18:35.45forcerecon_sudo aptitude update did nothing
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18:36.01jellyforcerecon_: did it have no output?
18:36.17johnfgIt is, but does the NEWS show up automatically, kinda like gentoo?
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18:36.41forcerecon_http://paste.debian.net/972438/
18:37.10jellyjohnfg: if you pick default settings, NEWS get shown from inside apt, and you get one final question whether to continue or not, after reading those
18:37.33jellyanswering no aborts apt/apt-get/aptitude
18:38.28johnfgOk, I've probably looked at and read it without even realizing.
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18:38.32jellyforcerecon_: that isn't "did nothing", that's "did its job"
18:38.49forcerecon_okay.. so.. how does this get me a video driver
18:39.07jellyforcerecon_: now you can continue with the dkms recipe.
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18:39.12jellyagain:
18:39.15forcerecon_that what???
18:39.16jelly!nvidia dkms
18:39.16dpkgFor Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems.  Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>.  Â«aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf».  Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
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18:39.36FlyingNundoubledutch
18:39.57forcerecon_am I suppose to copy that?
18:39.59tremoloForceRecon: That updates apt so it knows what's available in the configured repositories. Basically the second half of enabling the non-free sources.
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18:40.02jellyforcerecon_: open a root shell (sudo -i, or su -), if you have none opened already, then run the whole huge command between « and »
18:40.06greycatjelly: it's gonna be FUN when he tries to slap sudo in front of echo -e ... > file
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18:41.00jellyforcerecon_: that means copy/pasting or typing it down reaaaaaly carefully
18:41.19forcerecon_how the hell do you people know this
18:41.23forcerecon_what the hell
18:41.36jellysomeone's written it down for us
18:41.52jellythat's what dpkg's factoids are for, to help with various tech issues
18:42.07forcerecon_okay.. well says I have a conflict and need to reboot.. any advice
18:42.10jellyactually doesn't know anything
18:42.20jellyforcerecon_: read further.
18:42.33jellywhat does dpkg say after the « » command
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18:42.54forcerecon_Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
18:42.59jellyyeah.
18:43.06jellyso...
18:43.10forcerecon_whats gonna happen
18:43.14alekzlol
18:43.17forcerecon_does it just work
18:43.19greycatMagic.
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18:43.34leibnizcould it be manjaro?
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18:43.45jellyYou're probably going to restart the system, and that will stop free driver from loading, and enable non-free driver to work
18:43.49alekzforcerecon_: are you still working in your own OS?
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18:44.00jellyforcerecon_: if you DARE!
18:44.04leibnizi cannot connect via ssh from my phone or my laptop
18:44.12forcerecon_still building initial module for xxxx
18:44.13leibnizi have to connect to a external server than to my ssh
18:44.16leibnizit's very annoyinh
18:44.27alekzleibniz: lot of info missing in your query
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18:44.55forcerecon_http://paste.debian.net/972440/
18:44.59jellyforcerecon_: it's supposed to Just Work™ yes, that's why someone wrote it down, as a recipe
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18:45.07leibnizso last night when i tried to connect to my debian server from my laptop i couldln't connect said "timed out" but then i goto my other box and it connects just fine
18:45.30greycatleibniz: so you're saying you cannot connect from A to B, but you *can* connect from C to B.
18:45.40leibnizyea
18:45.43leibnizso b is up
18:45.45leibnizit's running
18:45.46forcerecon_should I rerun it?
18:45.47greycatWhat networks are A, B and C on?  How are they related to each other?
18:45.52forcerecon_is that the proper output?
18:45.59forcerecon_looks not good
18:46.09leibnizwell a is my home network and c is my school network
18:46.10jellyforcerecon_: that's weird.  Did you Ctrl-C while it was running?
18:46.17leibnizand b is my server
18:46.23forcerecon_not to my knowledge.. rerun
18:47.00johnfgjelly: Is there any way to read old news?
18:47.01jellyforcerecon_: you can do just dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
18:47.25greycatleibniz: is  B (the unreachable "server") on the same school network as "C" or something?  Why does C have special abilities here?
18:47.34leibnizno
18:47.34jhutchins_wkleibniz: What network is your sever on?
18:47.43jellyjohnfg: no, that why you can also let apt-listchanges send them as mail
18:47.45leibnizok so here i'll explain my situation
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18:48.26leibnizso i could not connect to ssh from my laptop to my server last night, or this morning, but i can connect from the schools boxes to the server
18:48.36leibnizwhich the school and the server are 100% different
18:48.44jellyjohnfg: or find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 2 -name 'NEWS.Debian*' -ls and read at your leisure
18:48.45greycatdpkg, nvidia dkms =~ s/mkdir/mkdir -p/
18:48.46dpkggreycat: OK
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18:49.11jellygreycat: if /etc/X11 doesn't exist something else is very wrong
18:49.16alekzleibniz: any ping test?
18:49.26leibnizno the ping from my computer was inconclusive
18:49.26greycatthe mkdir -p means it won't fail with an error if the directory already exists
18:49.30ForceReconI am not touching anything over ther till its done.. thanks
18:49.30jellyooh.
18:49.34leibnizbut the ping from my school was fine
18:49.46greycat(in addition to creating parent dirs)
18:49.51forcerecon_DKMS: install completed.
18:49.51forcerecon_mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d’: Permission denied
18:49.51forcerecon_bash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf: No such file or directory
18:50.05greycatforcerecon_: the ENTIRE THING must be run as root.
18:50.21greycatyou can't just stick sudo in front of a compound shell command
18:50.23jellyforcerecon_: did you open a separate root shell?
18:50.25forcerecon_root as in su
18:50.30greycator sudo -i
18:50.47forcerecon_so I can do dpkg as su
18:50.47forcerecon_let me try
18:51.19leibnizno advice?
18:51.23towo`you don't need that dpkf command again
18:51.32towo`*dpkg
18:51.33jellyI could swear I said to open a new interactive root shell
18:51.38greycatYou did.
18:52.00jellywe could have a Waldorf and Statler skit
18:52.17greycatleibniz: can your laptop ("A") ssh to *anything* at all?
18:52.32leibnizyea
18:52.37leibnizi can ssh to my school
18:52.46leibnizthen i can ssh from my school to my server
18:52.51leibnizbut i cannot ssh to my server
18:52.54leibniz:O
18:52.56leibnizor ftp
18:53.01greycatHow about some other thing that isn't your school or your "server"?
18:53.13leibnizyea
18:53.16leibnizi tried my phone
18:53.22leibnizto my server
18:53.23forcerecon_well well - DKMS: install completed.
18:53.23greycat"A" can ssh to everywhere *except* "B"?
18:53.23forcerecon_root@JBSPKDT001:/home/forcerecon#
18:53.29forcerecon_reboot :)
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18:53.33leibnizthat's what i'm assuimg
18:53.40forcerecon_man you guys are crazy smart
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18:54.11jellyno, just crazy
18:54.16forcerecon_reboot?
18:54.28greycatleibniz: from the laptop "A", what does this give:  telnet nethack.alt.org 22
18:54.36jellyforcerecon_: if you DARE
18:54.44forcerecon_lol.. lets find out
18:54.56jellyand they never heard from him again
18:55.01greycat\o/
18:55.46leibnizptables v1.6.1: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
18:55.48leibnizPerhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
18:55.51leibnizwhoops
18:56.17greycatlook, a clue!
18:56.17jellycustom kernel?
18:56.21leibnizConnected to nethack.alt.org.
18:56.24leibnizEscape character is '^]'.
18:56.26leibnizSSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.8
18:56.38greycatOK, that's working now.  You can go ahead and break out of that.
18:56.42jellyooh, shiny ubuntu ssh service banner
18:57.04jelly^] means control and ]
18:57.43greycatctrl-] q enter
18:57.43leibnizi  am off of it
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18:57.58greycatThat was just to check whether "A" can make ssh connections to random machines.  Which it can, now that you've fixed that iptables error you had.
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18:58.37greycatIf you still can't connect from A to B, then it's your iptables setup.  Probably.
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19:00.26ziutekHi, i upgraded to stretch and now i have a problem with dangling processes after X logout
19:00.52ziutekusually it's gnome-keyring and this printer applet.py
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19:02.04forcerecon_holy shit..
19:02.07forcerecon_it works!!!
19:02.16forcerecon_all monitors.. nice. its a beaut!
19:02.24analogicalI think that the inclusion of Libre Office is a scandal!
19:02.39forcerecon_I never smile.. but this is fantastic
19:02.39ziuteki reproduced this on live cds too.
19:02.42leibnizi just did iptables --flush
19:02.44leibnizand nothing
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19:02.54forcerecon_wow
19:03.01forcerecon_let me revel in the moment..
19:03.10forcerecon_sigh ( tear in eye )
19:03.19tr4ck3ranalogical: why?
19:04.19analogicalunnecessary bloatware! there's other bloatware included too I'm sorry to say.
19:04.54greycatanalogical: if you don't want it, don't install it
19:05.02Iridosyou hadpkg, xdg-open
19:05.18Iridosdpkg, xdg-open
19:05.18dpkgIridos: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?
19:05.19twziutek: this look familiar? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94508
19:05.34analogicalgreycat, I was never given a choice during the installation
19:05.35Iridosmeh
19:05.53greycatanalogical: lies.  You are asked whether you want to install "Standard", "OpenSSH server", "Desktop ...", etc.
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19:06.31IridosI wanted to stop evolution from opening things by default in abiword… and I think it's just using xdg-open
19:06.43analogicalI'm not lying. Not installing Libre Office wasn't an option.
19:07.07ziutekyep, seen this thread. i wonder if anybody has some workaround other than some killall script in crontab
19:07.12greycatanalogical: If you select only "Standard" or "Standard" + "OpenSSH server", or various other combos, you do not get Libre Office installed.
19:07.22forcerecon_http://imgur.com/2AvoRWz
19:07.47analogicalgreycat, you're wrong
19:07.50twziutek: replies to that bug report suggest a modification to logind.conf to kill all session processes.
19:08.08greycatanalogical: *plonk*
19:08.18tw(this is the thing that kills screen/tmux/dtach/disown/etc.)
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19:08.57forcerecon_http://i.imgur.com/2AvoRWz.jpg
19:09.04tw*login-session processes. I have to be specific because it's not a process-session anymore.
19:09.06forcerecon_thanks guys!  really.. now I can move forward
19:09.07forcerecon_wow
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19:10.26ziutektw: but this will kill screen too, unless i run it with systemd-run --something?
19:11.05twziutek: tbh, I don't know the specifics, I remember reading about it and pitying gnome users horribly. =(
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19:13.31ziutekI don't even use gnome besides the keyring and gvfsd (both are hard to replace)
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19:14.07jhutchins_wkDoesn't the advanced installer allow you to select/deselect individual packages?
19:14.09greycatMy solution to "things persist after I logout" is that I never logout unless I'm gonna reboot anyway.
19:14.49lovelybac0nThat's some bad advice if I saw it
19:15.04Iridosand there's nearly never reason to reboot, even on single-user systems because there's pm-suspend and pm-hibernate
19:15.22lovelybac0nI just lower the systyemd alert time from 90 seconds to 2.
19:15.26greycatAnd therefore rarely any reason to logout.  Works for me.
19:15.35jellyIridos: except if a common library or dbus or kernel is upgraded
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19:15.58IridosI did say "nearly never", didn't I
19:16.15greycatNot sure what pm-suspend or pm-hibernate are, or what they have to do with anything.  Sounds like some laptop thing.  I don't use a laptop.
19:16.16Iridosalso… your evil little brother may just pull the plug or something
19:16.20jellynearly never translates to about once a month
19:16.24lovelybac0nI also reboot for xorg stuff. Good to know it's booting.
19:17.12jhutchins_wklovelybac0n: You used to be able to just restart X, but these days the GUI has crept into the kernel.
19:18.12Iridosok, so xdg-open opens stuff (for lxde) with pcmanfm … and that decides… well, that was easy … kind of insane… but easy
19:18.20analogicalI thought Debian was a serious OS but it commes with a buch of silly games installed
19:18.50twIridos: xdg-mime default <something.desktop> mimetype ; docs are in xdg-utils
19:19.10jellyanalogical: we also have silly ops that kick you out the channel for no reason at all
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19:19.32forcerecon_uht oh
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19:19.56Iridosonly… changing the default in pcmanfm now makes xdg-open open .doc in libreoffice instead… but not from evolution, so maybe it didn't use xdg-open… yay.
19:20.23jhutchins_wkI just re-built a system, and I had to install the silly games manually after I built it.
19:20.25forcerecon_I once again want to say thanks jelly and greycat and anyone else that helped out
19:20.28forcerecon_appreciate it
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19:20.46forcerecon_now how to get wifi working ;)
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19:20.55forcerecon_wireless ac over here.
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19:21.31tremoloIt wasn't working out of the box?
19:21.59jellyand the box was a firmware image box, mind you
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19:22.46ghotiWhat do people use for drawing network diagrams these days? I've used Dia for years, but it seems a little stagnant. Is there something new and sexy?
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19:24.08Iridosoh, got the solution… if you choose "open with other software" in evolution, that becomes the new default. if you just select the program to open something from the list presented first, it's a one-time thing
19:24.54Iridosand so it did its own thing, which coincidentally (or because I maybe chose it that way a long time ago) the same as xdg-open
19:24.57nigiriHello! I'm trying to find out why my bluetooth keyboard doesn't work on the first connection. I have to turn it off and connect it again (after waiting 30 seconds or so), this happens at boot and when I do service restart. hciconfig hci0 down/up do work fine tho
19:25.05nigiriI have no clue where to start looking for the cause
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19:25.42jhutchins_wkIridos: I think they both use mime types somehow.
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19:26.12random_numbersSo, turns out the mounting script + systemd unit works nicely. Better than the crontab hack at least.
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19:27.01forcerecon_how do you check if a service is running.. I thought it was systemctl status app service
19:27.24random_numberssystemctl status name.service
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19:27.56forcerecon_not used to this response.. it seems like it is in a text file
19:28.03forcerecon_states exited, not running
19:28.08forcerecon_what does this mean
19:28.27random_numbersThat the service ran and quit. Depending on the type that can be good behavior, or not.
19:28.34twIridos: I gave you bad advice, gnome stuff uses gvfs-mime instead of xdg-mime. As far as I know the databases don't synchronize easily.
19:28.34greycatDepends on the service.  Green text is good, usually.
19:29.02greycatSome services just run one time and stop, and they're done, and that's considered a successful launch.
19:29.15forcerecon_I hope I don't get booted for this.. if so I am sorry
19:29.17forcerecon_systemctl status tor.service
19:29.17forcerecon_● tor.service - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (multi-instance-master)
19:29.17forcerecon_<PROTECTED>
19:29.17forcerecon_<PROTECTED>
19:29.17forcerecon_<PROTECTED>
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19:29.28Iridostw, hm, interesting. I'm not using gnome, but still ^^
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19:30.02forcerecon_sorry about that
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19:30.15greycatUse http://paste.debian.net for larger pastes (anything over 2 lines).
19:30.27jellycan't tell if that's a green ● or a red ●
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19:30.28forcerecon_that seems wrong to me.. usually it says running
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19:30.35greycatPersonally I'm not familiar with Tor so I can't help you much.
19:30.44twactive (exited) is a success.
19:31.09SamwanHi. I'm having installation issues. The installer is telling me to put the install media into /mount/cdrom. So I opened an additional terminal and mounted the media on /media/cdrom but it won't continue. I checked and the files are now present in the correct directory after mount. Is it a known issue?
19:31.34random_numbersTor is supposed to run as a daemon.
19:31.51random_numbersIf there's no tor process left, then no, it's not a good thing.
19:31.52forcerecon_tw, really.. I am sure I see running under jessie.. let me check
19:32.11SamwanI meant /media, not /mount, obv
19:32.21greycatforcerecon_: if you run the systemctl status command as root, you get extra info (log messages) that doesn't show up when you run it as non-root
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19:32.54ForceReconunder jessie - Active: active (running) since Mon 2017-06-19 20:00:01 EDT; 19h ago
19:33.19greycatthen the log messages may help you figure out why it exited
19:33.22ForceReconunder stretch active (exited)
19:33.52random_numbersThere's always journalctl...
19:34.42forcerecon_not much more with sudo
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19:36.50random_numbersOkay what. Take a look at the service source. What the heck?
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19:37.51random_numbersIf it's the same as what I get with `apt-get source tor` I have no idea how it's doing anything.
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19:37.51forcerecon_random_numbers, I know how I can check.. ipleak.net..
19:37.51random_numbersHm. nevermind. Weird filesplit.
19:38.25forcerecon_yeah its not running
19:38.25forcerecon_odd..
19:38.25forcerecon_hmm..
19:38.25random_numberstor@.service is the one that's actually useful. dunno if that file still exists after install.
19:38.50forcerecon_gonna connect to tor in oftc.net and see what they have to say
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19:39.19jellywonder why there's a generator, maybe you can run a dozen tors simultaneously?
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19:40.03jhutchins_wkforcerecon_: ps ax
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19:41.30jhutchins_wkOne would expect to look at logs (not just journalctl).
19:42.13random_numbershttps://paste.debian.net/972445/ For those who care to see the "source" service.
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19:45.21ForceReconwhat is the irc server for freenode not the onion address
19:45.48greycatirc.freenode.net
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19:47.22twjelly: I presume it allows you to run multiple independent hidden service or container gateway instances on a single host, which has some merit.
19:47.59twBut it's a profound waste of RAM as it has to maintain some huge routing tables per instance.
19:48.52twMaybe it has gotten better, when I was using it in wheezy, it'd easily use 300-400MB per instance.
19:49.08random_numbersRelying on systemd for isolation still seems like asking for a config error to screw you over though. I'd recommend libvirt + AppArmor/SELinux before that.
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19:58.24forcerecon__I was told to check the status of tor@default.service instead..  this one does show Active (running)
19:58.45zuiss1anyone with lxqt know how to have the panel show only program icons and not window titles?
19:58.52forcerecon__still waiting for confirmation though on why on jessie tor.service shows Active (running)
19:58.59forcerecon__next item :)
19:59.37random_numbersforcerecon__: It says running because it has "RemainAfterExit" set.
20:00.02forcerecon__is this a concern? or something we can change...
20:00.08random_numbersNot really a concern.
20:00.30forcerecon__can we get tor browser from debian repository or do we need to download it from Tor?
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20:01.04random_numbersDon't know. I go the VM + Tails route anyway.
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20:06.26forcerecon__instead of me just asking all the time, How do I search to find out what the name of something is so I can install it from terminal with apt-get?
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20:06.41forcerecon__in this case how do I find out what the 64 bit version of Tor browser is in the repo
20:06.43greycatapt-cache search
20:06.56greycatyou may also need:  apt-cache search --names-onlyl
20:06.57greycatyou may also need:  apt-cache search --names-only
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20:10.22forcerecon__well apt-cache search tor brings up 8 million things..
20:10.28forcerecon__you think torbrowser
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20:11.20random_numbersYou generally pipe `apt search word` results into `less`.
20:11.29random_numbersOr into a file, this enables regexp searching with grep too.
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20:11.36forcerecon__im getting it.. thanks.. I just noticed what it does,  appreciated
20:11.56greycat--names-only also helps enormously in filtering out bogus results once you have a feeling you're on the trail of the package name
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20:13.50GG_PhyduckOkay wait somebody send a message to me in this channel
20:14.12GG_Phyduckbut i can't seem to find it in the huge backlog of irc messages i have.. if it was important please resend it :)
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20:14.56greycatIt was a spam bot.  Duh.
20:15.02vadimkolchevHi all. Can any1 recommend simple gui task manager/planner for Debian 9?
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20:25.31random_numbersvlegout_: The only one I think of is Thunderbird's Calendar/Agenda extension... mainly because every other one I know is CLI-only.
20:25.34random_numberssorry vlegout
20:25.40random_numbers@ vadimkolchev
20:26.15vadimkolchevrandom_numbers, could you please advise on good CLI one? Probably will be handy
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20:26.56random_numbersvadimkolchev: I'd say org-mode, but for standalone taskwarrior is pretty good too.
20:27.15vadimkolchevrandom_numbers, thank you, will check it
20:27.54forcerecon__ForceRecon: is testing quassel
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20:33.15vadimkolchevrandom_numbers, taskwarrior is cool
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20:35.51random_numbersvadimkolchev: Glad to hear it works for you.
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20:48.33NapoleonWils0nhi all
20:48.37zleaphi
20:48.50NapoleonWils0ntoo hot in the uk, sweating like a pig
20:48.59zleapyea
20:49.12zleap9:51 and humid and hot
20:49.28NapoleonWils0ni swear i got a tan in my sleep
20:49.31random_numbersCommon feeling.
20:49.38zleapi wonder when the new raspbian will be out
20:49.44random_numbersI miss <20C winter-time...
20:50.12NapoleonWils0nyes we are supposed to miserable
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20:50.29NapoleonWils0nsun makes people happy not british at all
20:50.38zleaplol
20:50.43random_numberswell, it also gives cancer.
20:50.51NapoleonWils0nwas wondering if anyone uses firefox 54
20:51.05random_numbersJessie users that have the 'security' repo on.
20:51.10zleapsun also produces vitamin D
20:51.15random_numbersOh wait, that 52.
20:51.19NapoleonWils0nwondering what firefox vs chroium security is like
20:51.28zleapnot sure
20:51.31random_numberszleap: A few minutes of exposition a week tend to be enough for Vitamin D metabolization.
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20:51.39random_numberss/exposition/exposure/
20:51.51zleapyeah]
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20:52.33NapoleonWils0nchromium is a cluster f**k on freebsd, so have to use firefox
20:53.09NapoleonWils0ni see ff 54 has multi cpu support after 8 years of electrolis
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20:53.34zleapi saw something the other day on how to enable multicpu support in firefo
20:53.37zleapfirefox
20:53.45zleapnot sure where
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20:53.55NapoleonWils0nthink its enaabled by default in 54 though i may be wrong
20:54.20random_numbershttps://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminD-HealthProfessional/#h3 Sun-exposure header. Not bad.
20:54.26zleapah
20:54.51NapoleonWils0nbeen using awscli to upload files to amazon s3
20:54.56NapoleonWils0nworks really well
20:55.03zleapif I go out I try to stick to shade and use sunblock
20:55.26NapoleonWils0nim bald on top so have to slap factor 50 on my bonce
20:55.34random_numbersFrom htop monitoring I'd have thought firefox already did multi-cpu usage from 45.
20:55.46NapoleonWils0ni cant pull off a william hague baseball cap look
20:56.04random_numberszleap: You probably get more than enough from reflection on the ground while driving.
20:56.15zleapyeah
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20:57.44random_numbersFor those who like me had this odd second of doubt on terminology: http://www.differencebetween.net/science/difference-between-reflection-and-refraction/
20:57.49random_numbersAnd that's my last offtopic post.
20:58.29zleaprefraction bends light
20:58.30zleaplike straw in water
20:58.37greycatNo, gravity bends light.
20:58.55sypherGravity warps space. Light travels in a straight line.
20:59.08random_numbersIn Space.
20:59.16zleapif you put a fill a bowl with oil,  and put a small bowl inside the smaller bowl looks like it has vanished
20:59.31zleapgravitational lensing,  i know a little about that
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20:59.44job1q
21:00.06zleapjob1:  try /quit if you want to quit (depends on client)
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21:05.29random_numbersGood thing debian patches stuff, because 1.6 would otherwise be a bad idea.
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21:19.07forcereconis there any way to put panels at the bottom of all screens
21:19.40phoggmasking tape seems likely to work
21:20.08forcereconheh.. yeah thats good
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21:22.07forcereconI can add panels to other screens which is great,, but they do not store the time or any icons when things are open.. everything always goes back to the main screen
21:23.40forcereconand even if you choose to show icons on all monitors it just stays on the main monitor
21:23.44forcereconjust so you guys know
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21:26.13edjI've googled and tried command-line stuff - nada.  Running stretch.  How do I get the KDE Contril Module?
21:26.30edjer -- control.
21:27.16random_numbersforcerecon: That's a Desktop Environment specific question. More detail needed.
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21:30.59ws2k3is it possible to patch the kernel without reboot? i noticed a package in debian called ksplice
21:31.22jordanmedj: if that's a plama addon, you can install it with discover
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21:33.16edjjordanm, discover?
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21:35.07jordanmedj: that appears to be what it's called. GUI software manager for KDE
21:35.38jordanmI am not sure what package it's from, it was installed when I upgraded from wheezy
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21:36.19edjjordanm, I don't use KDE's manager - use apt-get.
21:36.23jordanmplamsa-discover
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21:36.42edjjordanm, Oh OK - Thanks
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21:39.56forcereconhow do you get to the screensaver settings on jessie
21:41.57forcereconI can't seem to find it any more..  I know I set it up but it is gone now
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21:48.07bolthaving issues with a debian stretch chroot. when attempting to run "apt-get update", i get "MO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 NO_PUBKEY 7638D0442B90D010" a bunch of times. the chroot does have debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring installed. what could be the issue?
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21:49.44ws2k3is it possible to patch the kernel without reboot? i noticed a package in debian called ksplice
21:49.57pavbolt: did you try apt instead of apt-get ?
21:50.06forcereconanyone have any luck installing steam on debian
21:50.20boltpav: same thing
21:50.24forcereconwith stretch has anything changed from wiki.debian.org
21:50.31boltpav: well, same result anyway
21:50.36forcereconhttps://wiki.debian.org/Steam
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21:51.55jordanmforcerecon: should still be fine, just s/jessie/stretch/g
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21:53.38TomG2forcerecon, xscreensaver command to bring up screen saver prefs.
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21:53.49glickhi
21:53.55glickis anyone running buster?
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21:55.40forcereconTomG2: that does not seem to work on jessie for me..
21:55.46glickbuster or testing?
21:55.47forcerecondoes not know the command
21:56.03TomG2okay then try under your GNOME prefs
21:56.05glickbuster is the new testing right?
21:56.10TomG2somewhere. sorry I have to go now :)
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21:58.04pavws2k3: you should take a look at http://ksplice.oracle.com/legacy about Debian and ksplice
21:59.12forcereconTomG2: thanks I will keep looking
21:59.21forcereconwhat is the best way to install the libc.so.6
21:59.36forcerecon32 bit libraries and is it safe
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22:06.24forcereconTomorrow we work on wireless!
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22:07.38jscoderseems like it ,ay be easier to screencast netflix than to get it to work on debian
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