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| 14:17.46 | jscoder | so ill ask one more time about this luks error http://paste.debian.net/972578/ before moving on to other issues. its saying no such file when i try mount |
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| 14:18.45 | tremolo | LOOP_CLR_FD ioctl() failed on "/dev/loop2" Silly question: Does /dev/loop2 exist? |
| 14:18.56 | NapoleonWils0n | this help mate |
| 14:18.58 | NapoleonWils0n | https://askubuntu.com/questions/429612/device-mapper-remove-ioctl-on-luks-xxxx-failed-device-or-resource-busy |
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| 14:19.16 | NapoleonWils0n | yes sounds like loop device isnt free perhaps |
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| 14:19.33 | jscoder | i can check but i thought thats the whole point of using cryptmount was to manage the complexities of mapping |
| 14:19.50 | greycat | I think /dev/loop* are created dynamically. I only have /dev/loop-control at the moment. |
| 14:19.53 | NapoleonWils0n | are you using anything like docker |
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| 14:20.10 | NapoleonWils0n | docker also uses loop device and that might be a conflict |
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| 14:20.23 | jscoder | yes /dev/loop2 is rw rw root disk |
| 14:20.41 | jscoder | checks disk group membership |
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| 14:21.26 | NapoleonWils0n | you can find free loop devices with: sudo losetup -f |
| 14:21.39 | jscoder | that was likely the issue user wasnt in disk group |
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| 14:22.16 | jscoder | the msg confounded me bc it did specify which file wasnt found |
| 14:22.54 | dury | bbl |
| 14:23.15 | NapoleonWils0n | jscoder you can also use luks to create encrypted containers like truecrypt |
| 14:23.16 | NapoleonWils0n | https://github.com/NapoleonWils0n/cerberus/blob/master/luks/luks-encrypted-container.sh |
| 14:24.55 | jscoder | another big issue i am having is this orange pi lite doesnt seem to have a clock battery and is resetting to jam 1 1970 or dec 31 1969 on me which presents a huge problem bc i use xfinitywifi which requires ssl browser based login. so what can i do to solve this problem as i need valid date to work with ssl but cant ntp without being connected? |
| 14:25.31 | greycat | Get another machine on the local network that has an NTP server you can sync with before authenticating to the router. |
| 14:25.32 | NapoleonWils0n | have you tried openntpd for setting the time |
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| 14:26.13 | NapoleonWils0n | or you could just bust out some flares and get all pyschadelic |
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| 14:26.43 | jscoder | greycat: i like that approach maybe i can use adb to sync time with my android phone somehow |
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| 14:27.44 | NapoleonWils0n | you should just be able to set up openntd on the pi to set the time |
| 14:28.04 | jscoder | i can access my phone via usb with adb and perhaps i can make a script to set the time from the phone |
| 14:28.07 | NapoleonWils0n | may need to open port 123 with iptables |
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| 14:29.25 | greycat | NapoleonWils0n: apparently he's using Very Special Crap and can't just make normal connections like a normal person |
| 14:29.26 | NapoleonWils0n | sudo apt install openntpd |
| 14:29.35 | NapoleonWils0n | sudo systemctl enable openntpd.service |
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| 14:29.51 | NapoleonWils0n | sudo systemctl start openntpd.service && ntpd -s -d |
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| 14:30.20 | greycat | NapoleonWils0n: how does that work around "I can't make NTP connections because xfinitywifi" |
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| 14:31.03 | NapoleonWils0n | ah right, cant you just set time manually then install openntpd |
| 14:31.38 | jscoder | well xfinitywifi are public hotspots for xfinity customers so thats the issue with using nirmal network approaches. i think the adb thing will work i can just pulg my phone in to the pi and have adb check the time on the phone and set it accordingly on the pi at boot |
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| 14:33.57 | NapoleonWils0n | couldnt you set the system date and then sync the hardware clock |
| 14:34.05 | NapoleonWils0n | https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-set-date-time-from-linux-command-prompt/ |
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| 14:35.04 | dhaller | postgres in debian is asking for a password, I have never set a password |
| 14:35.06 | jscoder | NapoleonWils0n: the hardware clock is useless bc it doesnt have a battery and so far i havent even figured out a way to turn this thing on other than to unplug it and plug it back in |
| 14:35.08 | greycat | NapoleonWils0n: his Thing has no battery so the clock is wrong at boot time, and he can't sync the clock using NTP because his Thing is some stupid mobile device on some stupid mobile network that requires a web browser to authenticate before you can connect to the Internet |
| 14:35.21 | dhaller | therefore i do not know it |
| 14:35.27 | dhaller | i cant even unistall it |
| 14:35.37 | NapoleonWils0n | gotcha greycat |
| 14:35.38 | dhaller | because it asks for a password to even do that |
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| 14:36.17 | NapoleonWils0n | need to get the pi to dial the speaking clock and ask tim |
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| 14:36.28 | NapoleonWils0n | the time sponsored by acurwrist is |
| 14:36.35 | jscoder | i want to just leave the orange pi plugged in but i dont know how to turn it on once its shutdown. heh it sounds incredibly stupid to say you cant even figure out how to turn a computer on |
| 14:36.35 | phix | NapoleonWils0n: what sounds like a terrible idea |
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| 14:36.56 | jscoder | i will likely test suspend and hibernate options |
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| 14:37.49 | BluesKaj | jscoder, reboot the power source, unplug replug in |
| 14:38.14 | jscoder | BluesKaj: yes thats what i do but thats whats killing the rtc |
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| 14:38.23 | BluesKaj | jscoder, it's the only method |
| 14:38.39 | jscoder | BluesKaj: whats the button for then? heh |
| 14:38.51 | celyr | Upgrading from jessie to stretch on a box installed exim4 |
| 14:38.53 | celyr | I'm not happy |
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| 14:39.16 | celyr | that exim4 standard in basic install thing is really something we should get rid of. |
| 14:39.20 | greycat | What MTA were you using under jessie? |
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| 14:39.44 | celyr | no MTA installed |
| 14:39.52 | celyr | that box is a domino server |
| 14:39.58 | greycat | Then the upgrade fixed your oversight. You should be thankful. |
| 14:40.09 | celyr | yeah and broke my domino startup |
| 14:40.12 | celyr | very thankful |
| 14:40.19 | BluesKaj | jscoder, I use a rpi3, it's the only method |
| 14:40.21 | celyr | if I don't install a MTA I have reasons. |
| 14:40.43 | greycat | if you want to do something incredibly niche like self-building qmail, or living without an MTA because you LIKE FAILURE, then you can use the equivs package to built a meta-package that provides mail-transport-agent, and install it. |
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| 14:41.11 | greycat | titan:~$ dpkg -l |grep mta |
| 14:41.11 | greycat | ii mta-local 1.0 all A local MTA package |
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| 14:41.24 | greycat | This is what equivs is for. |
| 14:41.24 | celyr | greycat, what of that is a domino box it's not clear ? |
| 14:41.37 | jscoder | the diagram on the site says there is a power button http://orangepi.com/orange-pi-lite but so far i havent been able to get it to power on after i init 0 other than to unplug and plug it back in |
| 14:41.38 | greycat | celyr: the "domino" part. cked, th |
| 14:41.43 | greycat | ... fuck, typing hard. |
| 14:41.59 | greycat | !domino |
| 14:42.18 | jscoder | i will as i said experiment with suspend and hibernate and try figure out what the deal is with the power btn |
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| 14:42.24 | celyr | IBM Domino ? |
| 14:42.44 | greycat | This is Debian. If you want a local mta which may be qmail or /dev/null or whatever, use equivs. |
| 14:43.09 | jelly | nullmta? |
| 14:43.20 | jelly | ln -fs /usr/sbin/sendmail /bin/true |
| 14:43.29 | celyr | Wait a second |
| 14:43.30 | BluesKaj | jscoder, maybe you have to hold it on for a few secs |
| 14:43.35 | jelly | (don't do that) |
| 14:43.35 | jscoder | i went with the orange pi cause its more open and cheaper and they have more hardware options when i get some more cash i want to get one with the 2g ram instead of the 512mb |
| 14:43.39 | celyr | I don't absolutely need any packet that needs a MTA |
| 14:43.45 | greycat | jelly: and then use equivs to build mta-local to tell dpkg that you have an MTA |
| 14:43.46 | jelly | celyr: cron |
| 14:43.56 | celyr | jelly it doesn't depend on MTA |
| 14:44.04 | jelly | ,recommends cron |
| 14:44.05 | judd | Package cron in stretch/amd64 -- recommends: exim4 | postfix | mail-transport-agent. |
| 14:44.06 | greycat | celyr: install equivs, read directions. |
| 14:44.10 | jelly | celyr: ^^ |
| 14:44.26 | celyr | But it's a raccomandation |
| 14:44.34 | celyr | not a requirement |
| 14:44.37 | jelly | and Recommendations get installed automatically |
| 14:44.41 | jelly | by default |
| 14:44.59 | jelly | that one actually makes sense if you want reports from cron jobs |
| 14:45.06 | greycat | jelly: your symlink is backwards too |
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| 14:45.13 | jelly | yes, sorry |
| 14:45.26 | jelly | I ruined someone's true |
| 14:45.42 | celyr | is not sure about this design but ok |
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| 14:46.10 | greycat | cron sends email to you when your job produces output. It's been that way for longer than most people in this channel have been alive. |
| 14:46.10 | jscoder | the orange pi had actual debian images was also a selling point i didnt like the sound of using some debian derivitave on some closed source hardware |
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| 14:47.29 | celyr | equivs has the longest dep list I've ever seen |
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| 14:47.39 | celyr | install that bloat for a dummy package |
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| 14:48.12 | greycat | You use it to build the dummy package, then install the dummy package. |
| 14:48.28 | jelly | celyr: you don't have to install equivs on the same system, install it elsewhere, make a fake mta package there, then just copy and install the resulting .deb on the destination system |
| 14:48.29 | greycat | If you can't stand that, I can just give you the mta-local package itself. |
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| 14:48.57 | jscoder | ,depends equivs |
| 14:48.58 | judd | Package equivs in stretch/amd64 -- depends: perl, debhelper, dpkg-dev, make, fakeroot. |
| 14:49.02 | BluesKaj | jscoder, raspbian pixel works well on the rpi3, no problems so far, and it all works after install including wicd wifi. Using the sdcard just to boot the system since moving / to a usb hdd |
| 14:49.16 | jelly | if your Domino thing provides a /usr/sbin/sendmail, you won't even be lying a lot |
| 14:49.23 | johnfg | jelly: Thanks for your last to me yesterday about the find of NEWS.Debian. I had left for 2nd job so just saw it. |
| 14:49.29 | greycat | http://wooledge.org/~greg/mta-local_1.0_all.deb |
| 14:49.33 | jelly | you're welcome |
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| 14:49.55 | celyr | jelly, of course |
| 14:49.57 | celyr | it does not |
| 14:50.04 | greycat | wtf is "domino" |
| 14:50.14 | celyr | IBM Domino |
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| 14:51.08 | greycat | IBM Domino (formerly IBM Lotus® Domino) provides: |
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| 14:51.18 | greycat | runs away ... NO! NOT LOTUS!! |
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| 14:51.28 | jelly | greycat: it's IBM. Maybe they still /usr/lib/sendmail |
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| 14:51.33 | greycat | seriously, I stopped reading and closed the tab as soon as I saw Lotus |
| 14:51.45 | celyr | greycat, Like I'm happy with it |
| 14:51.57 | celyr | You know what |
| 14:51.59 | jscoder | BluesKaj: i dd like the sound of a new lightweigh ui but i got the orange pi lite, heatsink, power and hdmi cables, 8gb sd card, and this wireless remoter w a keyboard and touchpad for 37 dollars US and free shipping from china. couldnt beat it. and the hardware isnt a black box its all open sourch pure debian stuff |
| 14:52.04 | celyr | I'm happy with it, and you know why |
| 14:52.04 | jelly | celyr: I'm honestly surprised Debian is a supported platform! |
| 14:52.08 | celyr | I get paid to run it |
| 14:52.16 | celyr | jelly, you know what, it's not |
| 14:52.27 | jelly | ibm software is usually "suse or rhel or get out" |
| 14:52.36 | celyr | In this case it's just RHEL |
| 14:52.37 | maunix_ | Hi folks. Using debian stretch here. I boot from my pendrive so I move from pc to pc but with one specific desktop pc, the ethernet looses its IP assigend via DHCP with its mac address. Executing dhclient solves the issue every time but, any hint why this could be happening? |
| 14:52.40 | jelly | right |
| 14:52.59 | jelly | so use RHEL. Or CentOS if your company is that cheap |
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| 14:53.09 | celyr | but I cherry picked my debian install to run domino anyway and I'm very happy with it |
| 14:53.29 | celyr | And I can't care less if it's not supported, since their support sucks anyway |
| 14:53.34 | jelly | then you basically chose to run into all sorts of walls head-first |
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| 14:53.52 | celyr | I just need debian not to install an MTA when i upgrade it thank you |
| 14:54.01 | greycat | Then install mta-local. |
| 14:54.07 | jelly | nod |
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| 14:54.09 | greycat | I even gave you a direct URL for the dummy package. |
| 14:54.38 | fireba11 | Question: how can i check what config files come with a package? (i got a debian9 that gor distupgraded from 7 or so, and i want to clean up some of the configs where i changed things myself ...) |
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| 14:54.44 | jscoder | maunix_: different pcs have different mac addresses. the mac is on the network card not your pendrive |
| 14:54.54 | greycat | fireba11: dpkg -L pkgname | grep ^/etc |
| 14:54.55 | celyr | greycat, sorry I think I've lost it in my self arguing moment |
| 14:55.04 | greycat | /lastlog mta-local |
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| 14:55.36 | fireba11 | greycat: great, thanks |
| 14:55.43 | jscoder | maunix_: you can solve the issue if you want a static ip on the pendrive by shrinking your dhcp pool and configuring it for static ip outside the pool range |
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| 14:56.25 | andre144k_ | hi all - anyone knows how showing domain via screenrc (hardstatus alwayslastline )? |
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| 14:57.10 | andre144k_ | hostname is no problem (%H) - but want "hostname.domainname" |
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| 14:58.02 | celyr | Maybe I can make exim4 listen to 127.0.0.1 and lotus listen to the interfaces |
| 14:58.12 | celyr | This should be a better solution, am I wrong ? |
| 14:58.30 | celyr | or I'm overseeing something |
| 14:58.32 | greycat | If it's just for cron emails, you don't even have to listen on loopback. Just having /usr/sbin/sendmail for cron to execute is sufficient. |
| 14:59.01 | celyr | hm |
| 14:59.06 | greycat | (that also covers shell scripts that send mail by piping to mail or mailx, etc.) |
| 14:59.10 | maunix_ | jscoder you are not getting my point. I know that. in fact i did configure the dhcp server. That devices gets assigned its IP correctly... but after some time... minutes of inactivity perhaps it looses it. |
| 14:59.17 | celyr | to do this i should disable exim4 |
| 14:59.23 | celyr | at startup |
| 14:59.23 | greycat | ...? |
| 14:59.29 | maunix_ | jscoder. its that Desktop the only one that looses it. |
| 14:59.32 | jelly | celyr: you can install nullmailer that will provide /usr/sbin/sendmail, and tell it to use ip:25 or localhost:25 as smarthost |
| 15:00.06 | maunix_ | jscoder. in fact that desktop does have a debian stable on its harddrive and it looses it too, from time to time. |
| 15:00.10 | celyr | jelly, this will transfer the mail to domino directly right ? |
| 15:00.23 | jelly | celyr: if domino is what listens on port 25, yes |
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| 15:00.32 | celyr | this is a good solution |
| 15:00.45 | celyr | then I alias root to my account |
| 15:01.02 | maunix_ | jscoder: right now i am chatting using it. so i it has its ip assigned correctly.. but i know if i stop using it, the ip will get lost. unil I run dhclient again. |
| 15:01.18 | jscoder | maunix_: if you are having one desktop which loses its ip lease on two different os installs that points to a hardware issue like a loose or damaged cable or something |
| 15:01.38 | greycat | So you're saying IBM Domino listens on 0.0.0.0:25 but does not provide a /usr/sbin/sendmail interface? |
| 15:01.41 | maunix_ | jscoder i presume, but is there a way i can monitor that? with a log or something_ |
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| 15:02.50 | jscoder | maunix_: dmesg will contain changes in link status and hardware driver issues and syslog i believe will contain dhcp renwals |
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| 15:03.03 | maunix_ | jscoder: thanks, i'll check that. |
| 15:04.07 | jscoder | maunix_: you know its remotely possible the bios or something has a power saving feature too that is making it sleep |
| 15:04.07 | celyr | jelly, I've installed nullmailer on a test machine, configured smarthost and the machine name. Now I would like to test how email get forwarded. How should I invoke sendmail to have as close as possible scenario ? |
| 15:04.28 | jscoder | maunix_: particularly if its onboard nic |
| 15:04.44 | greycat | celyr: echo "testing" | mail root |
| 15:05.09 | jscoder | maunix_: that would likely show up in d,esg too though as a change in link status |
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| 15:09.03 | fireba11 | question: fail2ban got a new jail.d folder. is that to overwrite parts of jail.conf (instead of using a jail.local) or is that to add new configs? found no documentation about that |
| 15:09.08 | celyr | greycat, tnx I'm testing |
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| 15:11.54 | jelly | fireba11: probably to facilitate packaging and enabling jails separately instead of everything in one file |
| 15:12.10 | celyr | greycat, Is it supposed to send emails to root@domain ? |
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| 15:12.26 | celyr | greycat, because it seems that is specifying something different than root |
| 15:12.31 | celyr | And I'm not really understanding. |
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| 15:12.57 | jelly | fireba11: but I'm still using jail.conf so don't trust me |
| 15:12.59 | greycat | celyr: It sends mail to "root", your local user, in your default local mail domain, just like cron will do. |
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| 15:13.30 | celyr | greycat, but If I have nullmailer it should transfer them to the host I've specified |
| 15:13.39 | greycat | Then that's what you are testing. |
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| 15:14.02 | celyr | and since I've aliased root@domain.tld I should receive them |
| 15:14.09 | greycat | See how nullmailer rewrites the destination address, see what happens on each machine, see where the mail ends up. |
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| 15:14.17 | johnfg | ,v openldap |
| 15:14.18 | judd | No package named 'openldap' was found in amd64. |
| 15:14.27 | celyr | The problem is that, up to domino logs, it's sending to somethingdifferent@domain.tld |
| 15:14.55 | greycat | So the email is being received, rewritten, and sent on. Sounds like things are working. |
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| 15:15.14 | johnfg | jelly: What's that bot cmd to show what version(s) is available for a particular pkg? |
| 15:15.26 | greycat | johnfg: that was the right command. You just need a valid package name. |
| 15:15.32 | celyr | greycat, Ok I'm dumb |
| 15:15.36 | greycat | Finding the package name is the hard part. |
| 15:15.42 | celyr | greycat, I was writing only the domain instead of the full address |
| 15:15.45 | johnfg | greycat: right, slapd, just remembered. |
| 15:15.51 | johnfg | ,v slapd |
| 15:15.52 | judd | Package: slapd on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.4.31-2+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.4.31-2+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 2.4.31+really2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u2; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u3; jessie-security: 2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 2.4.44+dfsg-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.4.44+dfsg-5; sid: 2.4.44+dfsg-5; buster: 2.4.44+dfsg-5 |
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| 15:18.27 | celyr | greycat, tnx now it's working |
| 15:18.48 | fireba11 | jelly: okay, i'll continue to use jail.conf then. do i need to put the whole service block there or can i just put a single value and it gets added to the things from jail.conf? |
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| 15:21.55 | jelly | fireba11: I guess you just open a [service] block and just list changes from defaults |
| 15:22.31 | fireba11 | jelly: seems so, just found some info that says the same :-D |
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| 15:35.59 | fireba11 | jelly: ah, there is a debian file in jail.d, so you can use those instead of a jail.local if you want to split it |
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| 15:40.23 | Violinist | how come i dont need to install fuse for sshfs |
| 15:40.37 | fireba11 | lol ... fail2ban for postfix-sasl gets iptables errors, anyone got an idea how to fix that? |
| 15:40.40 | greycat | That was a change in jessie. It's much simpler now. |
| 15:41.18 | celyr | ,v kernel |
| 15:41.19 | judd | No package named 'kernel' was found in amd64. |
| 15:41.22 | celyr | meh |
| 15:41.27 | celyr | ,v linux-image |
| 15:41.28 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64. |
| 15:41.40 | celyr | ok I'll fall back to package.debian |
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| 15:42.17 | AtheroS__ | hello, i try to use kali on a raspberry, i set up a luks encrypted rootfs and a custom initramfs with â _Nox |
| 15:42.19 | AtheroS__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.21 | AtheroS__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.23 | AtheroS__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.25 | AtheroS__ | 17:37:08 AtheroS__ | currently i tried to log in via ethernet, i can ping and i see ssh running on port 22, but it doesn't let me â AdamAntium27 |
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| 15:42.51 | greycat | !tell atheros__ about kali |
| 15:43.00 | celyr | he is gone I'm afarid |
| 15:43.05 | celyr | anyway |
| 15:43.09 | AtheroS__ | i'm here |
| 15:43.13 | petn-randall | !kali |
| 15:43.13 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 15:43.14 | greycat | He came back, but I figured dpkg would msg him while he was gone. |
| 15:43.17 | petn-randall | AtheroS__: ^^^ |
| 15:43.28 | petn-randall | (not supported in here) |
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| 15:43.47 | AtheroS__ | i asked it already on #kali-linux |
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| 15:44.05 | petn-randall | AtheroS__: I guess you have to be a little patient. Or use Debian instead of Kali. |
| 15:44.14 | JJScrawls | So is there a way to get Netflix working on Chromium? |
| 15:44.28 | towo` | use chrome |
| 15:44.29 | JJScrawls | I downloaded Widevine from the repos but it isnt working still |
| 15:44.29 | AtheroS__ | in this situation, debian=kali, i asked about a basic system thing not about pentesting |
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| 15:44.40 | petn-randall | !based on debian |
| 15:44.40 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 15:44.40 | towo` | AtheroS__, no |
| 15:44.43 | petn-randall | AtheroS__: ^^^ |
| 15:44.57 | towo` | AtheroS__, if kali would be debian, it would named debian |
| 15:45.04 | petn-randall | It's been discussed to death, we only support Debian in here for a lot of technical and social reasons. |
| 15:45.14 | JJScrawls | towo' I have chrome but I don't fully trust google |
| 15:45.31 | fireba11 | AtheroS__: also i tried to get dropbear working with debian but failed a while ago :-D |
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| 15:46.42 | AtheroS__ | !dont_think_just_give_pre_written_answers_with_!_ |
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| 15:47.24 | JJScrawls | So no working Widevine w/ Chromium under Linux -____- |
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| 15:47.57 | greycat | Also, while I'm at it: any sympathy you might have received as a Kali user asking for help in #debian flew straight out the window when you pasted a massive wall of crazy indented text instead of forming a simple, coherent question. |
| 15:48.29 | greycat | You demonstrated laziness and a desire to shift all of the effort onto US instead of putting forth any effort yourself. |
| 15:48.32 | JJScrawls | I'm pretty sure #kali exists |
| 15:48.51 | greycat | He was told to go to the Kali channel multiple times. |
| 15:49.01 | petn-randall | JJScrawls: The correct channel is already in the !kali factoid. |
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| 15:49.05 | JJScrawls | like reddit im pretty sure there is an IRC channel for everything |
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| 15:49.21 | jelly | JJScrawls: they've already asked in #kali-linux and want fast answers NOW regardless of our policies |
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| 15:49.46 | Violinist | how come i dont need to install fuse for sshfs |
| 15:49.53 | JJScrawls | so ducking it doesnt give an answer(duck duck go, I call it ducking) |
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| 15:49.57 | jelly | Violinist: it's installed already? |
| 15:50.02 | greycat | Violinist: it changed in jessie. It's just how it works. |
| 15:50.15 | Violinist | oh rly |
| 15:50.21 | jelly | ,depends sshfs |
| 15:50.23 | judd | Package sshfs in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), libfuse2 (>= 2.7), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), fuse, openssh-client. |
| 15:50.25 | Violinist | it comes with it or not needed |
| 15:50.42 | greycat | Post-wheezy, you do not need to add the user to the 'fuse' group any more. |
| 15:50.45 | Violinist | oh let me search for fusy |
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| 15:50.57 | greycat | Why can't you just be happy that it works? |
| 15:51.02 | Violinist | oh yeah thats what im talkign about, groups |
| 15:51.09 | Violinist | coz i had to add it before |
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| 15:51.22 | jelly | Violinist: things change. Sometimes for the better. |
| 15:51.24 | Violinist | ya now it just works |
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| 15:51.32 | Violinist | but i duno how |
| 15:51.51 | jelly | doesn't know either |
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| 15:52.07 | greycat | I couldn't find the wiki page. I'm sure there is one, and I'm sure I've seen it before, but apparently it's not any variation of "sshfs" or "fuse" :( |
| 15:52.23 | Violinist | so wat about the permissions |
| 15:52.30 | greycat | Just. Works. Just. BE. HAPPY. |
| 15:52.32 | Violinist | i see numbers for user and group |
| 15:52.35 | greycat | my god |
| 15:52.39 | Violinist | but im able to save |
| 15:52.41 | Violinist | lol |
| 15:52.54 | jelly | 0666 on /dev/fuse may have something to do with it |
| 15:53.40 | Violinist | also when i save the file permissions dotn change remote |
| 15:53.47 | Violinist | how does that even work lol |
| 15:55.11 | JJScrawls | someone on Reddit got chromium/widevine/Netflix working on Stretch but I can't get it to work -___- |
| 15:55.35 | JJScrawls | https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/6360gt/netflix_on_debian_stretch/dfs4ije/ |
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| 15:56.38 | greycat | Violinist: writing to an existing file never changes the permissions. I don't know what you are expecting to see. |
| 15:57.22 | Violinist | oh |
| 15:57.47 | Violinist | very well |
| 15:58.13 | Violinist | should i mound as root or user? |
| 15:58.28 | BluesKaj | JJScrawls, netflix is supposed towork on chrome |
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| 15:58.34 | greycat | You should continue doing whatever you are doing that is working. |
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| 15:58.45 | Violinist | ya u rite lol |
| 15:58.45 | greycat | You should stop looking the gift horse in the mouth. |
| 15:58.56 | Violinist | lelelel |
| 15:59.05 | JJScrawls | lol |
| 15:59.10 | Violinist | ya but i want to know exactly wat im doing |
| 15:59.24 | greycat | We don't know what you are doing. Only you know this. |
| 15:59.24 | Violinist | instead of blindly following the steps |
| 16:00.06 | JJScrawls | the steps tell you what you are doing, research the commands used and find out what they are used for |
| 16:00.14 | JJScrawls | thats what I do |
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| 16:00.34 | greycat | "man sshfs" shows you the commands for mounting and unmounting |
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| 16:03.01 | Violinist | do i need to worry about the missing user |
| 16:03.14 | Violinist | coz user and group shows as numbers |
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| 16:03.32 | greycat | That's just a lack of the UID / GID on the source (mounting) system. |
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| 16:03.39 | Violinist | right |
| 16:03.47 | greycat | Same as you would experience if you used NFS to mount it. |
| 16:03.48 | Violinist | so does it matter any? |
| 16:03.59 | Guest91955 | Debian 9 - is there a bug in the Cinnamon DE "backgrounds" settings function? Some of the choices (Adwaita, Inksplat, and Joy) seem to have no image associated with them. |
| 16:04.16 | greycat | If you are able to read and write the files, then it doesn't matter. |
| 16:04.58 | jelly | Violinist: sshfs mostly fakes permissions and users. It's a sftp client, and it can only do things your remote user can do. Only root can set arbitrary ownerships, for example |
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| 16:05.51 | jelly | Violinist: and if uid and gid numbers on local and remote systems do not match, or even do not exist... then you won't see them match |
| 16:06.08 | jelly | Violinist: read about idmap in man sshfs for possible workarounds |
| 16:07.28 | Violinist | ok cool |
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| 16:09.46 | th0r | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.54 | solarnetone | !bongswat |
| 16:10.54 | dpkg | bongswat is probably "Hit the bong, man!" |
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| 16:11.26 | jelly | sadly, no more !penixstrike |
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| 16:20.03 | Guest91955 | Does anyone her use the Cinnamon DE? |
| 16:20.55 | BluesKaj | Guest91955, don't take polls. just ask your real question |
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| 16:22.15 | Guest91955 | Okay, is there a problem with the Cinnamon backgrounds function? |
| 16:22.28 | JJScrawls | There may be, I use KDE so idk |
| 16:22.36 | Guest91955 | Some of the choices are missing. |
| 16:22.37 | JJScrawls | I know there is a Thunderbird issue |
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| 16:23.27 | JJScrawls | usually there are some remaining small issues to work out with a major release like this |
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| 16:24.34 | jhutchins_wk | Guest91955: I would guess that the list of backgrounds is not generated from actual files, but is set at some upstream point, and that the Debian packages you have installed don't include all of them. You could look at the Cinnamon documentation or search for additional packages in Debain. |
| 16:24.53 | jhutchins_wk | Guest91955: It's also possible that Cinnamon assumes that there is a full install of Gnome lurking on the system. |
| 16:25.14 | Guest91955 | BTW, is Cinnamon based on Gnome? They look suspiciously similar somehow. |
| 16:26.09 | jhutchins_wk | !cinnamon |
| 16:26.09 | dpkg | Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell> initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. Packaged since Debian 8 "Jessie", ask me about <install cinnamon>. http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ |
| 16:26.24 | jhutchins_wk | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamon_(software) |
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| 16:29.09 | Guest91955 | I mostly like Cinnamon, but if it's based on Gnome, then it's just more redhat botnet. |
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| 16:30.20 | petn-randall | Guest91955: You are not talking sense. |
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| 16:31.47 | Guest91955 | Gnome is just a vassal state of redhat (today the init, tomorrow the world!) |
| 16:32.46 | petn-randall | Guest91955: Conspiracy theories are offtopic here. This channel is for support only. You might want to try other channels, though: |
| 16:32.49 | petn-randall | !chat |
| 16:32.49 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:33.35 | Guest91955 | Okay, Lennart. |
| 16:34.42 | petn-randall | *plonk* |
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| 16:37.57 | funny | Which are the most geek people channel on irc; tell me channel names in descending order |
| 16:38.43 | L00thar | Another systemd hater. |
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| 16:39.43 | Guest91955 | Yes, I do despise systemd. Any questions? |
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| 16:41.24 | greycat | !stretch sysvinit |
| 16:41.24 | dpkg | To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again. |
| 16:41.29 | towo` | then you shouls switch to devuan, debian is not the right distro for you |
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| 16:42.55 | L00thar | lol |
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| 16:43.22 | L00thar | Gentoo. |
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| 16:43.58 | Guest91955 | dpkg: thanx 4 the info. |
| 16:43.58 | dpkg | de rien, Guest91955 |
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| 16:45.40 | Guest91955 | towo': I tried Devuan 1.0.0 - packages too old, and it wouldn't upgrade to ascii correctly. |
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| 16:50.35 | Guest91955 | L00thar: Install (and use) Gentoo? Ain't nobody got time for that! |
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| 16:54.21 | forcerecon | is there any way in debian 9 to allow applications that are open on multiple screens to minimize to their own screen rather than the main screen? and is there any way to add the panel so it has the time on it |
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| 16:55.59 | tremolo | forcerecon: I do this with KDE at home. Each screen has its own panel (with task manager configured to show only windows on that screen). |
| 16:56.07 | tremolo | Which desktop environment are you using? |
| 16:57.50 | forcerecon | debian 9 |
| 16:58.03 | forcerecon | claws mail 3.14.1 |
| 16:58.21 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: Debian 9 is not a desktop environment. |
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| 16:58.42 | forcerecon | then what is it considered |
| 16:58.44 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: Neither is claws. |
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| 16:59.11 | mtn | heh |
| 16:59.12 | BluesKaj | forcerecon, look into *activities" |
| 16:59.18 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: debian 9 is a distribution release which can use many different desktop environments - Gnome, Cinnamon, KDE, XFCE, LXDE, etc. |
| 16:59.49 | BluesKaj | asuming you're using kde/plasma |
| 16:59.53 | forcerecon | okay.. cinnamon being the titanic of them all correct? |
| 16:59.56 | shtrb | forcerecon , can you do a screenshot and upload ? |
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| 17:00.03 | BluesKaj | nope |
| 17:00.16 | forcerecon | so why is cinnamon so in demand |
| 17:00.25 | forcerecon | it is the most resource intensive no |
| 17:00.27 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Desktops/ |
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| 17:00.38 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: No, and it's not. |
| 17:00.45 | BluesKaj | gnome is probly the most popular, dunno why |
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| 17:01.17 | johnfg_ | on stretch I only get: @(#) $OpenLDAP: slapd (May 28 2017 16:59:46) $ |
| 17:01.20 | jhutchins_wk | BluesKaj: For some reason it's the default on several distros. Possibly because it was the most complete ahead of the others. |
| 17:01.22 | BluesKaj | it's default in the debian installer |
| 17:01.28 | Guest91955 | forcerecon: try XFCE. Light, but ugly. |
| 17:01.29 | johnfg_ | Debian OpenLDAP Maintainers <pkg-openldap-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
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| 17:02.00 | BluesKaj | gnome is the ugly one IMO |
| 17:02.11 | forcerecon | cinnamon is not even on that list or is it listed as something else |
| 17:02.19 | tremolo | I used gnome for a while, on redhat 7 or 8. |
| 17:02.26 | Guest91955 | XFCE fonts are so blurry they hurt my eyes. |
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| 17:02.55 | petn-randall | Guest91955: You might want to play with the subpixel hinting settings. |
| 17:03.24 | Guest91955 | I did. No difference on my display. |
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| 17:04.19 | petn-randall | Guest91955: Maybe check with the eye specialist? :P |
| 17:04.27 | Guest91955 | :) |
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| 17:05.50 | jhutchins_wk | Guest91955: I use xfce and there is no blurriness. It's something else about your system, not xfce. |
| 17:07.07 | Guest91955 | Maybe. It's an older system. But Gnome and Cinnamon just seem visually "crisper". |
| 17:08.46 | Guest91955 | But XFCE is much lighter on ram, 200mb and change, instead of pushing 800mb. |
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| 17:11.04 | ponyofdeath | hey guys anyone using openconnect with rsa on-demand token codes? |
| 17:11.11 | petn-randall | !anyone |
| 17:11.11 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 17:11.13 | ponyofdeath | cant seem to get mine to work on linux |
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| 17:11.48 | petn-randall | ponyofdeath: Ask your real question, and try to provide as much details as possible. If someone knows the answer, they'll respond (might take an hour or so, please be patient). |
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| 17:19.16 | jhutchins_wk | ponyofdeath: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 17:29.25 | ponyofdeath | jhutchins_wk: well exported my windows user SSL client cert. then used openconnect -c cert.pfx --csd-user username --csd-wrapper ~/csd_wrapper.sh https://vpn.blah.com. this seems to then error out at prelogin. comparing logs between my windows machine and linux machine one is asking the server to do a on-demand token. |
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| 17:31.51 | forcerecon | is there anyway to see speed of wireless on linux basically that it is running on AC |
| 17:32.49 | petn-randall | forcerecon: iwconfig shows you the connected speed on the CLI. And hovering over the network-manager icon does, too, IIRC. |
| 17:32.57 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: What I've seen across linux, windows, and android is that the most you can get is the theoretical max speed of whatever protocol has been chosen. Actual throughput requires some sort of bandwidth test. |
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| 17:33.54 | forcerecon | Bit Rate=866.5 Mb/s Tx-Power=200 dBm Seems to be working well |
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| 17:34.24 | forcerecon | thanks for another command I am learning in my arsenal |
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| 17:35.20 | jhutchins_wk | ponyofdeath: What does rsa support say? |
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| 17:36.17 | ERROH | hello |
| 17:36.58 | ERROH | I've made manual changes to source after running debuild. Now I'm re-running it with -nc, but it won't pick it up. What can I do? |
| 17:38.18 | forcerecon | since installing stretch, how often does everyone do an apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:38.23 | ponyofdeath | jhutchins_wk: well i doubt they support linux |
| 17:38.32 | greycat | daily |
| 17:38.52 | forcerecon | thanks.. want to get a regiment down |
| 17:38.54 | forcerecon | appreciated |
| 17:39.53 | forcerecon | streaming over a vpn with tor to my class online is a bit hesitant.. not bad but still blips.. guess I should not expect more.. in a 12 minute class span it stops about 3 times for a second |
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| 17:42.18 | forcerecon | since nvidia drivers were installed for this machine, should I expect an dist-upgrade will update those drivers as well |
| 17:42.41 | greycat | I wouldn't expect those to be updated any time soon. |
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| 17:43.28 | cef | ,kernel |
| 17:43.29 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); buster: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.25-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-1) |
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| 17:50.27 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: Alternatively, subscribe to the announce mailing list and do it when you see something interesting. |
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| 17:57.29 | forcerecon | jhutchins_wk: thanks I will do that.. |
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| 18:12.21 | dhaller | going on ~10 hours trying to install this in debian, Almost insane at this point, Please help |
| 18:12.21 | dhaller | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/9b6145cbdb7fcf0b6fccd27324e564b0 |
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| 18:17.38 | jhutchins_wk | dhaller: Goodness, what if you had to turn out 200 machines a day? |
| 18:17.53 | dhaller | ? |
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| 18:18.16 | dhaller | Oh I'm sorry, some stupid fucking troll |
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| 18:18.55 | greycat | Tell us what "this" is, so we know whether to waste time opening your URL or querying you for details. |
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| 18:19.18 | jhutchins_wk | dhaller: You're attempting to build arbitrary third party code. It doesn't appear to be a problem with the debian build tools. |
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| 18:19.44 | jhutchins_wk | dhaller: There's a lot of trial-and-error in building code, even experienced users have to work through that. |
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| 18:21.21 | jhutchins_wk | Ten hours is probably enough at one sitting anyway. |
| 18:22.16 | cef | looks like dhaller was building this: https://github.com/AdaCore/gnatcoll |
| 18:23.00 | greycat | sounds rather specialized. does it have its own IRC channel? web forum? mailing list? bug tracking system? |
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| 18:24.32 | cef | no idea. I just used google :P |
| 18:24.41 | cef | and seems he's gone anyway. |
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| 18:29.40 | jhutchins_wk | Since the error was failure to create a directory in a location that's not writable by non-root users, I'm betting it was failure to run as root. |
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| 18:30.01 | greycat | Oh, you actually clicked it? Brave. |
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| 18:30.24 | jhutchins_wk | Many people will argue that you should never "make" as root, but if you're doing a system-wide install it's pretty much a given. |
| 18:30.45 | greycat | I figure if the guy can't bother to say "I'm building gnatcoll on stretch amd64, and I get these errors" then he won't be helpable, so I won't even bother looking. |
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| 18:31.04 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, he looked like he just wanted to rant. |
| 18:31.11 | jhutchins_wk | Been on the job too long. |
| 18:32.17 | leachim6 | just upgraded to stretch |
| 18:32.22 | leachim6 | no issues yet |
| 18:32.24 | leachim6 | #winning |
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| 18:35.04 | glycol | hi everyone, i'm getting consistently 30+ second boot times instead of ~5 after upgrading to stretch, it's mostly "Begin: Running /scripts/local-block ... done." repeating for 20+ seconds, i only have one line in fstab and the UUID matches |
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| 18:36.01 | armin | hi, i looked at the source code of the apt program and found out there is Apt::Cmd::Disable-Script-Warning so i created a file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/80apt-disable-warning.conf and set this to "false". however, when calling apt search foo | less i still get a warning message. any hint how to disable this? |
| 18:36.39 | glycol | that message only shows up in recovery mode btw |
| 18:36.45 | rhizome | armin: xy problem. what is your actual goal? |
| 18:36.56 | armin | glycol: what's "recovery mode"? |
| 18:37.08 | armin | rhizome: disabling those warnings when using a pipe. |
| 18:37.12 | greycat | rhizome: the "apt search" command produces a stupid warning if you pipe it through something. |
| 18:37.35 | rhizome | gotcha |
| 18:37.41 | greycat | armin: shouldn't "disable-whatever" be true, not false? |
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| 18:37.52 | tremolo | "WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts." |
| 18:37.54 | armin | greycat: oh! |
| 18:38.00 | rhizome | oh right, i've seen that |
| 18:38.15 | ChmEarl | glycol, your root in on LVM? |
| 18:38.23 | armin | greycat: *head->table* thanks a lot again, greg... |
| 18:38.36 | armin | it's definitely too damn hot in here. |
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| 18:38.51 | glycol | ChmEarl: no but lvm is installed for no good reason, should i remove it and try again? |
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| 18:39.25 | glycol | nvm i actually need it for external devices |
| 18:40.10 | ChmEarl | glycol, remove the LVM (move it up a level) hook in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks, then update-initramfs |
| 18:40.13 | jhutchins_wk | glycol: 5 second boot times? Really? What kind of hardware? |
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| 18:40.43 | ChmEarl | glycol, ^^ thats how I fixed it |
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| 18:41.26 | dgriffi | I started a jigdo download of a double-layer bluray debian install iso. it was interrupted, so I started it again. |
| 18:41.49 | dgriffi | but now it just stalls with "Copied input files to temporary file `debian-9.0.0-amd64-BD-1.iso.tmp' - repeat command and supply more files to continue" |
| 18:42.25 | dgriffi | what's going on? |
| 18:42.54 | dgriffi | jigdo-lite shows up in htop as taking 100% cpu on one of my four cores. |
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| 18:46.06 | wallbroken | everytime i need to start lxde |
| 18:46.13 | wallbroken | i need to type: startx |
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| 18:46.19 | wallbroken | how to make it manually |
| 18:46.40 | greycat | You mean automatic? Install lightdm |
| 18:46.44 | jhutchins_wk | wallbroken: That looks pretty manual to me. |
| 18:46.55 | wallbroken | what? |
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| 18:50.37 | wallbroken | greycat, yes, sorry. i only need to install it? |
| 18:50.55 | wallbroken | and if i add the command "startx" to some autorun script? |
| 18:51.24 | greycat | lightdm is a display manager. It will run at boot time and give you a graphical login screen. |
| 18:51.43 | wallbroken | greycat, i don't need a graphical login |
| 18:51.49 | greycat | Logging in through a DM is not the same as logging in on the console and running startx, but if you really want an automatic starting of X, and don't care about the differences in dot files, then lightdm is for you. |
| 18:53.05 | wallbroken | greycat, i don't need a startup window |
| 18:53.16 | wallbroken | i just want that when i turn on my pc |
| 18:53.16 | greycat | Then I don't know what you ant. |
| 18:53.22 | wallbroken | the desktop is here |
| 18:53.28 | greycat | *blink* |
| 18:53.30 | greycat | is this a laptop? |
| 18:53.33 | wallbroken | yes |
| 18:53.40 | greycat | AHHHH. I don't do laptops. Good luck with that. |
| 18:53.49 | jhutchins_wk | wallbroken: You can configure lightdm to automatically log you in. |
| 18:53.49 | dax | lightdm can be configured to automatically log you in to a particular user |
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| 18:54.04 | wallbroken | is easy to do? |
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| 18:54.14 | jhutchins_wk | (Unfortunately, documentation is a bit out of sync with released versions.) |
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| 18:55.14 | jhutchins_wk | wallbroken: https://wiki.debian.org/LightDM#Enable_autologin |
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| 18:56.01 | sm0kew0n | Hi, does anyone know of some good guides to running X11 programs without having a DE installed? |
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| 18:56.35 | glycol | ChmEarl: there was an initramfs "resume" file that had the UUID of a nonexisting swap device in it, now it's only systemd holding up everything till there's a network connection |
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| 18:57.30 | ChmEarl | glycol, glad its sorted |
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| 19:03.01 | jhutchins_wk | sm0kew0n: Could you be more specific? Maybe an example? |
| 19:03.02 | glycol | someone asked what hardware has 5 second boot times: recent intel board with just IGP and ssd |
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| 19:03.45 | jhutchins_wk | glycol: igp? |
| 19:03.59 | glycol | integrated graphics |
| 19:04.51 | jhutchins_wk | glycol: Waiting on the dhcp process? |
| 19:05.12 | glycol | if you have dedicated graphics that usually adds a few seconds, doesn't matter if open source or not |
| 19:05.31 | glycol | jhutchins_wk: yeah, wasn't like that on jessie |
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| 19:06.31 | wallbroken | i've already made an autologin procedure for ttty |
| 19:06.46 | wallbroken | when i turn on the pc, tty is logged in |
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| 19:06.55 | wallbroken | this is not useful for lxde? |
| 19:06.58 | sm0kew0n | I have a pi0 that base install + X, I'm getting Xapps via ssh and vnc, with no DE or WM. How would this work on my desktop, would I need a wm? |
| 19:07.20 | forcerecon | are there any recent docs on setting up a lexmark network printer on debian 9 |
| 19:07.26 | greycat | wallbroken: so you want the dirtiest, ugliest hack that will make 'startx' run when your shell autologin happens? Put startx in your ~/.profile |
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| 19:08.29 | jhutchins_wk | Maybe startxfce4? |
| 19:09.00 | wallbroken | greycat, why "dirtiest? |
| 19:09.08 | jhutchins_wk | sm0kew0n: No, you don't need a local xserver. |
| 19:09.27 | greycat | wallbroken: you'll get startx errors if you launch a login shell for any other reason, e.g. if you ssh into this laptop |
| 19:09.40 | greycat | you can probably just ignore them. not likely to see 'em anyway. |
| 19:10.05 | jhutchins_wk | sm0kew0n: On some systems I was able to just install xclock and that pulled in enough dependencies to forward X. May have been xclock and/or xterm. |
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| 19:11.33 | sm0kew0n | jhutchins_wk, can you run a wm without a DE? |
| 19:12.11 | greycat | sm0kew0n: I do it. |
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| 19:14.13 | sm0kew0n | greycat, cool. Then I want to. So you open everything from a console, do Xapps work okay with screens or tmux? |
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| 19:15.47 | greycat | I use fvwm. I login (not autologin -- I type my name and password) on the text console, and run startx. This starts X, and fvwm, and whatever else I configured to run in my ~/.xsession file (mostly a bunch of terminals). |
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| 19:16.10 | greycat | I can run anything else I want from one of those terminals, or from fvwm's built-in menus, which I have configured in ~/.fvwm/.fvwm2rc over the years. |
| 19:16.13 | greycat | Decades, really. |
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| 19:17.19 | sm0kew0n | greycat, thanks for the tips. |
| 19:17.56 | greycat | There are plenty of other window managers. Fvwm may not be the best choice for you. Try lots of them and see which ones you like. |
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| 19:20.37 | jhutchins_wk | sm0kew0n: According to RedHat, xorg-x11-xauth xorg-x11-fonts-* xorg-x11-utils. I don't remember having to do fonts. utils might pull auth as a dependency (or vice-versa). |
| 19:23.23 | jhutchins_wk | sm0kew0n: For debian xauth should be enough, no xorg-x11- prefix. |
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| 19:24.25 | greycat | I didn't realize debian put xauth into its own package. |
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| 19:24.58 | jhutchins_wk | RH does too. |
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| 19:29.43 | forcerecon | installed the printer.. it works! |
| 19:30.03 | forcerecon | figuring stuff out is pretty awesome.. |
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| 19:30.54 | BluesKaj | forcerecon, a HP printer? |
| 19:31.15 | forcerecon | Lexmark E240n Network printer |
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| 19:32.08 | forcerecon | you cannot use TOR browser to set up a printer.. it needs to be a local browser like FF |
| 19:32.11 | glycol | forcerecon: are network printers "universal" or do they still need specific files to work? |
| 19:32.19 | BluesKaj | lexmark has not been linux friendly in years past, I can personally vouch for that |
| 19:32.24 | glycol | forcerecon: lol |
| 19:32.44 | forcerecon | I checked to see if cups was installed, it is.. went to localhost:631 |
| 19:32.56 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, but a network printer? That's easy. |
| 19:33.08 | forcerecon | clicked admin add printer, it checks, showed up my printer, picked it and then picked a driver e260 en |
| 19:33.20 | forcerecon | printed from mail.. was very easy.. |
| 19:33.40 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: cups has come a long way. |
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| 19:34.30 | forcerecon | I remember a long time ago using ARC Linux.. not even sure if it is around.. but the dev was a great guy.. but installing my printer.. what a pain.. not to mention he made drivers for me specifically for nvidia even at that time |
| 19:34.40 | forcerecon | really good guy.. wonder what happened to them |
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| 19:36.46 | jhutchins_wk | https://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/ARC |
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| 19:37.19 | BluesKaj | forcerecon, thought you said you were new to iinux |
| 19:37.33 | forcerecon | no.. this was like 18 years ago |
| 19:37.48 | forcerecon | it was a long time ago.. |
| 19:37.55 | forcerecon | page loading thanks for the link |
| 19:38.05 | jhutchins_wk | " What all ARC implementations have in common is their strict non-compliance to the ARC standard, so the ARC Standard document should be taken with a shovel of salt." |
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| 19:38.44 | TheDune | does anyone know if there is a deb package that includes all the components for programming in C such as gdb, gcc, make etc? |
| 19:38.58 | greycat | TheDune: build-essential |
| 19:39.00 | forcerecon | this distro was named Arc Linux.. |
| 19:39.09 | jhutchins_wk | !build-essential |
| 19:39.10 | dpkg | [build-essential] a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. See also <qotd49>. |
| 19:39.19 | greycat | I don't think it includes gdb, though |
| 19:39.35 | glycol | yeah gdb isnt in the deps |
| 19:39.35 | jhutchins_wk | It has several kitchen sinks. |
| 19:39.37 | greycat | You can install gdb separately. |
| 19:40.05 | jhutchins_wk | We don't need no steenkin debugger! |
| 19:40.31 | greycat | They're not bugs! They're emergent features! |
| 19:40.50 | glycol | printf("doesn't crash before this"); |
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| 19:42.16 | TheDune | awesome! thanks all |
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| 19:43.12 | TheDune | so when I try to run the man page for gcc, it tells me to reference man 7...cant I get a man page for this |
| 19:43.13 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: That does sound familiar, but google doesn't know about it. |
| 19:43.20 | forcerecon | BluesKaj: I have not used linux in like 18 years.. so I consider myself very new.. I just started about 3 months ago.. so yeah getting back in.. but I never really did anything too complicated |
| 19:43.57 | forcerecon | it was a graphical linux as well.. I remember like a blue triangle or something.. with a dot in the middle.. not sure.. long time ago |
| 19:44.01 | BluesKaj | forcerecon, ok, understood :-) |
| 19:44.11 | greycat | TheDune: gcc-doc is a non-free package |
| 19:45.15 | forcerecon | if my steam game was working I would be silly happy.. I am just happy that debian went so smoothly with everyones help.. |
| 19:45.20 | forcerecon | this is really great.. |
| 19:45.28 | TheDune | greycat: well that sucks |
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| 19:47.00 | jhutchins_wk | TheDune: It's still available, it's just how it's licensed. |
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| 19:47.17 | BluesKaj | don't remenber Arc , but I recall trying Knoppix on a live cd, ofcourse it didn't do much . Couldn't connec to the internet so to me it was a dud. Took another 2yrs before I looked again and discovered debian and most of the other "biggies" |
| 19:48.54 | forcerecon | Once you start to get into it.. you find you are little more in control.. nice, lots of people just don't have time to do anything but what they need to do. Hence Tech Support. I have been a novel and window guy for almost 32 years.. |
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| 19:49.24 | forcerecon | mostly windows after 1998 |
| 19:49.47 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: Yeah, nt4 finally solved the novel problem. |
| 19:49.50 | TheDune | i just did an 'apt show gcc'--what is the difference between the suggests and the recommends? |
| 19:50.03 | greycat | !suggests |
| 19:50.14 | greycat | bah. |
| 19:50.48 | forcerecon | yes, exactly I converted for Merck Pharma in Whitehouse station NJ 43 novel servers to Windows NT.. using compaq proliants.. 150K a piece and I had to purchase like 6 and a couple 3000s as well.. |
| 19:50.57 | forcerecon | that was huge. |
| 19:51.30 | forcerecon | the only thing back then that was a problem for us was like patch 6a for print servers.. would just kill the system.. |
| 19:51.38 | forcerecon | boy those were the days.. all gone |
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| 19:54.42 | eternal-pain | hey. does anyone know if there will be an up-to-date release-version of firefox and thunderbird on stretch-backports or the mozilla-team repo? |
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| 19:55.20 | greycat | Your nickname is apt. |
| 19:56.05 | simp_ | eternal-pain, i've got 52.0a2 from the mozilla repo |
| 19:56.11 | teraflops | eternal-pain: there is one at least on Mozilla repos if my neuron is still fine |
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| 19:57.33 | aotaoint1in | so, i have an old squeeze server |
| 19:57.46 | eternal-pain | 54.0 is release and https://mozilla.debian.net/ doesn't suggest a repo for stretch-compatible packages. i don't want to break something pulling from sid |
| 19:57.47 | BluesKaj | forcerecon, in 1983 I was working with analytical devices that used Spectra Physics integrators and basic mono colour monitors with DOS programs on device connected computers.The first Gui I recall using was a windows 3.1 pc which was very modern at the time ;-) |
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| 19:58.01 | eternal-pain | seems to be a rust-issue, but i'm not a dev |
| 19:58.10 | aotaoint1in | and i want to decomission it on schedule... |
| 19:58.46 | greycat | eternal-pain: either use 52 (firefox-esr), or use upstream tarballs, or wait for the crazy mozilla.debian.whatever thing |
| 19:58.53 | aotaoint1in | was hoping to echo "shutdown now" | at sometime |
| 19:59.03 | jhutchins_wk | aotaoint1in: Use at. |
| 19:59.04 | aotaoint1in | but there's no at on this server. and i can't apt-get install at because squeeze. |
| 19:59.14 | greycat | !squeeze sources.list |
| 19:59.15 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main". Put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf and run «aptitude update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts> <squeeze-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 19:59.25 | aotaoint1in | thanks :) |
| 19:59.34 | forcerecon | 1983.. got my first computer an AST Model 120 6 8 and 10 Mhz, Cost my dad like 3500 dollars with a dotmatrix printer.. lol.. I never lost interest.. I still have my first dos discs |
| 20:00.04 | BluesKaj | heh |
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| 20:02.15 | BluesKaj | I'm an old retired guy now, and linux has been my hobby for the last 12 or 13 yrs |
| 20:02.32 | jhutchins_wk | aotaoint1in: shutdown takes a time instead of now. |
| 20:02.49 | jhutchins_wk | aotaoint1in: Or if you need this days in advance, just put it in cron. |
| 20:03.00 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: or he could install at, and use at. |
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| 20:03.27 | greycat | might as well pull in whatever squeeze-lts updates he missed, while he's at it |
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| 20:05.01 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Decommission implies he's not going to turn it back on. |
| 20:05.30 | greycat | *shrug* |
| 20:06.26 | forcerecon | If I would stuck with it since 1990 something I might be on the dev team |
| 20:06.33 | BluesKaj | well, enough for one day..time to close up ...laters |
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| 20:06.52 | forcerecon | Have a great one bluesk |
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| 20:07.16 | forcerecon | BluesKaj, have a great one |
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| 20:14.26 | forcerecon | Thanks again for all the help today everyone.. appreciated.. hope you all have a great evening. ttyl |
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| 20:33.03 | _abc_ | Reading https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/21/debian_9_review/ -- the secure boot part was left out because it was hard to settle a free in the debian project sense key/license thing right? |
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| 20:35.03 | jhutchins_wk | _abc_: I believe it also has to do with what Debian would have to pay for it. |
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| 20:35.51 | jhutchins_wk | _abc_: Secureboot was developed to keep people from installing Linux. |
| 20:36.28 | _abc_ | Sure. And debian was developed to help people install linux :) |
| 20:36.54 | _abc_ | Was there a discussion? Or was it a decision taken as is because money? |
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| 20:37.57 | greycat | What "decision" are you referring to? |
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| 20:38.54 | missmbob | this is all i saw on the mailing lists. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/04/msg00013.html |
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| 20:39.15 | latez_ | Quick question for you guys - have any of you ever had to fsck an iscsi volume |
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| 20:43.21 | jaggz | so.. my dist-upgrade rendered my ssd-based system unbootable. |
| 20:43.34 | jaggz | well, it boots, but drops me at a prompt without access to anything :) |
| 20:44.22 | jhutchins_wk | jaggz: Are there errors? Is it giving you a normal shell and just not starting X? |
| 20:45.02 | greycat | Sounds lke the busybox shell in the initramfs. Details needed. |
| 20:45.03 | tedolfus | Could someone experienced with recovering encrypted ext4 disks take a look at this? https://pastebin.com/9bx9XpKV |
| 20:45.23 | jaggz | jhutchins_wk, oh, no.. I haven't noticed a functional problem at all |
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| 20:45.31 | jhutchins_wk | television: Please use paste.debian.net - pastebin has problems. |
| 20:45.36 | jaggz | jhutchins_wk, sorry, wrong channel -- wrong response! |
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| 20:46.05 | jaggz | jhutchins_wk, it had errors on the ssd's long foo-bar-wxyz-id number thing.. |
| 20:46.09 | jhutchins_wk | jaggz: Dual posting on oftc? |
| 20:46.19 | jaggz | I just left it off for now and switched to my better desktop.. I've been wanting to swap them |
| 20:46.31 | tedolfus | https://paste.debian.net/972649/ re-up on my paste above |
| 20:46.32 | jaggz | jhutchins_wk, no -- the "no functional problems" was about a gpu getting heat discoloration |
| 20:46.44 | jaggz | for my buds in ##electronics |
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| 20:48.19 | jhutchins_wk | television: You have a bad disk. |
| 20:48.34 | tedolfus | gee! |
| 20:48.49 | tedolfus | is there anything I can do about it? |
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| 20:49.00 | jhutchins_wk | jaggz: Knowing that there are errors or that the system does not do something is not very useful. Knowing what the errors are, or what the system actually does are a lot better. |
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| 20:49.41 | tedolfus | is there something I could run to yield useful information? |
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| 20:49.54 | tedolfus | oh that was for him. geez |
| 20:49.54 | jhutchins_wk | television: Not sure. Possibly a recovery tool like ddrescue or photorec might be able to grab things. I suppose you don't have external backups. |
| 20:50.23 | random_numbers | Sure you can setup CUPS over a hidden service. |
| 20:50.26 | jhutchins_wk | tedolfus: No, sorry, typo+tab complete, meant for you. |
| 20:51.09 | jaggz | jhutchins_wk, yeah.. I was just reporting my lack of success.. I'll post more detailed information if I return to that system to try to fix it :) sorry, I didn't mean to take much attention for my complaint yet. :) |
| 20:52.28 | jhutchins_wk | jaggz: Yeah, best if you have access and can provide additional info and test results. Sounds like you might just need to tweak the graphics driver. |
| 20:52.40 | jhutchins_wk | jaggz: nvidia? |
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| 20:53.21 | jaggz | jhutchins_wk, interesting -- it did error on the driver, saying to use the nvidia legacy; then gave _apt errors, so I rebooted.. |
| 20:53.41 | jaggz | networking didn't come up so I just left it and swapped desktops like I wanted to for months. :) |
| 20:53.53 | greycat | Oh, that's way better than dropping to busybox in initramfs. |
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| 20:55.37 | jhutchins_wk | jaggz: You have a new kernel, so any externally sourced drivers like nvidia will need to be rebuilt for it. |
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| 20:57.04 | jaggz | jhutchins_wk, does it rebuild them or just install binaries? I was using nvidia nonfree |
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| 21:20.21 | wallbroken | where to put themes? |
| 21:20.29 | wallbroken | /home/user/.themes/ |
| 21:20.35 | wallbroken | or /usr/share/themes/ ? |
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| 21:26.31 | HackingBird337 | !rules |
| 21:26.31 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 10 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. 6) #debian supports only Debian (see <based on debian>) |
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| 21:28.01 | HackingBird337 | Hi everyone! i've got a question... How to install Hybrid Graphic card (Nvidia x Intel) Drivers? Im looking for the Original from nvidia (NOT nouveau). Thanks. |
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| 21:42.09 | bootx | is it possible to restrict IPMI access configuration from being changed from OS? i.e. dell poweredge servers |
| 21:42.54 | Linuturk | I noticed that nagios and zoneminder are not in stretch, but seem to have packages in sid. I just updated from Jessie before noticing they were missing. Any chance these will make their way into stretch or am I stuck pinning packages from sid? |
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| 21:45.46 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
| 21:45.50 | mutante | Linuturk: i guess Icinga has replaced Nagios |
| 21:45.54 | bootx | indeed |
| 21:46.18 | mutante | Linuturk: config is compatible .. so could be worse ? |
| 21:46.31 | abrotman | bootx: uh, don't give out root passwords? |
| 21:46.50 | Linuturk | ok. I'll give that a shot |
| 21:47.00 | Linuturk | no answer for zoneminder though I guess :-/ |
| 21:49.00 | bootx | abrotman, in case of renting a dedicated server... |
| 21:49.21 | bootx | imagine a set up my ipmi password to manage a server, then a i rent a server to someone |
| 21:49.28 | bootx | then he can change access using ipmitool |
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| 22:08.41 | jaggz | kewl |
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| 22:09.06 | jaggz | I wonder what they accomplish.. do they gather racists? |
| 22:09.14 | abrotman | getting you to talk about it .. |
| 22:09.16 | abrotman | moving on |
| 22:09.23 | jaggz | nod |
| 22:09.27 | ssarah | shweet |
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| 22:10.56 | Limebyte | wow |
| 22:11.02 | Limebyte | so Debian turned brown now? |
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| 22:11.15 | ChunkzZ | Limebyte: ? |
| 22:11.17 | random_numbers | gry: I think this convinced me to install that filtering script. |
| 22:11.32 | timeless | <3 irccloud -- retroactive ignore |
| 22:11.40 | abrotman | seriously, move on .. |
| 22:11.41 | ryouma | do those spams even work? |
| 22:11.49 | random_numbers | ryouma: Probably not. |
| 22:11.50 | draeath | jaggz, kind of looked like a botnet command |
| 22:11.51 | dax | no |
| 22:11.51 | abrotman | If you want to talk about spam, try ###talkaboutspam or some crap |
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| 22:12.04 | draeath | which makes it even more dumb |
| 22:12.07 | abrotman | ... |
| 22:12.24 | random_numbers | The filter script I'm going on about is just something that prevents highlighting me if there's more than five nicks in the post. |
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| 22:12.47 | strive | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.07 | SuperTramp83 | jaggz, do imbeciles ever need a motive? |
| 22:13.25 | abrotman | jesus .. you seriously must have something better to talk about |
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| 22:16.12 | johnjay | is it normal behavior for apt-get to download all packages for install, then install them one by one? |
| 22:16.19 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:16.20 | sussudio | with all the portscanning freenode does when you connect to an irc server, it sure lets all these socks5-proxy using bots through easily... |
| 22:16.25 | abrotman | unfortunately |
| 22:16.32 | abrotman | OMG, sussudio ! |
| 22:16.40 | ChunkzZ | How do I search on here for a package? |
| 22:16.51 | abrotman | ChunkzZ: with what terms? |
| 22:16.58 | ChunkzZ | Yeah |
| 22:17.11 | johnjay | hmm. so when updating with apt-get you need to calculate space of the packages PLUS space they take up? |
| 22:17.12 | abrotman | no, I mean, how would you like to search? name? desc? etc |
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| 22:17.39 | ChunkzZ | Oh, sorry. Just the name abrotman... |
| 22:18.06 | johnjay | thankfully I barely have that |
| 22:18.25 | abrotman | ChunkzZ: I don't think you can, but you can use packages.debian.org/<partialname> |
| 22:19.00 | johnjay | abrotman: since ChunkzZ brought it up, is there a list of commonly installed debian packages somewhere? |
| 22:19.00 | ChunkzZ | Thanks abrotman |
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| 22:19.10 | abrotman | johnjay: there are package priorities |
| 22:19.18 | timeless | johnjay: yes |
| 22:19.36 | timeless | you could probably write a solver that behaved differently, but then you wouldn't be using apt |
| 22:19.39 | johnjay | i mean i don't mind having to install emacs manually every time i install a new deb system. |
| 22:19.40 | timeless | you'd be using dpkg |
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| 22:19.57 | johnjay | but idk sometimes i can't guess the right package name for what i need |
| 22:20.25 | abrotman | ah, that's different |
| 22:20.34 | abrotman | johnjay: but you can search on the description, or on tags |
| 22:20.40 | timeless | i suppose that can be a serious problem on a tiny arduino or something similar |
| 22:20.51 | johnjay | abrotman: i always use apt-cache on the command line |
| 22:20.58 | johnjay | i think that's what it does |
| 22:21.04 | abrotman | johnjay: as do i |
| 22:21.08 | jmcnaught | johnjay: aptitude search is petty handy too |
| 22:21.14 | timeless | the other thing is that your apt-cache archive is probably big and can probably be pruned |
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| 22:21.28 | timeless | at least, for me, in the past it was when i was looking for things to delete to free space |
| 22:21.37 | johnjay | timeless: yes i just figured that out lol |
| 22:21.40 | abrotman | debtags is interesting, assuming the tags are correct and exist |
| 22:21.50 | timeless | also, if your system is really low on space, i'd suggest a CIFS mount or similar |
| 22:22.02 | timeless | have something else manage the cache volume |
| 22:22.12 | timeless | since you don't need it for very long, it probably shouldn't be "local" |
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| 22:22.25 | johnjay | abrotman: wait package priority? |
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| 22:22.49 | timeless | can't imagine package priority helping |
| 22:22.55 | timeless | could be dead wrong |
| 22:23.09 | abrotman | you asked about commonly installed packages .. a few methods. priority is "extra, important, optional, required, standard" .. but you might want to look at debtags or popcon |
| 22:23.17 | abrotman | dpkg: tell johnjay about popcon |
| 22:23.45 | abrotman | popcon will actually show commonly installed packages, though it may be skewed due to system utilities, etc |
| 22:24.02 | johnjay | oh crap that's exactly what i need |
| 22:24.04 | abrotman | (interesting data to browse anyway) |
| 22:24.17 | johnjay | can I feed it directly into apt-get? |
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| 22:24.49 | johnjay | something like "get every package more popular than emacs" or "get everything on DVD1 and 2"? |
| 22:25.11 | abrotman | I'm sure you can find a way with some scripting |
| 22:25.46 | jmcnaught | the debian-goodies package also has a dpigs script which lists the largest installed packages |
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| 22:26.04 | random_numbers | For having done it before I could use a bouncer, using a proxy is actually quite straight-forward and easy. |
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| 22:29.33 | johnjay | random_numbers: idk what you're talking about, i've almost never gotten a proxy to work for *anything* |
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| 22:32.47 | random_numbers | johnjay: Someone earlier mentioned proxy filtering on freenode being a thing, bad as it may be. |
| 22:32.49 | random_numbers | I concurred. |
| 22:32.51 | Guest53366 | johnjay: i use a couple in series (locally hosted) to clean up js and filtering domains/urls |
| 22:33.27 | Guest53366 | johnjay: running that on a proxy avoids having to install adblockers on each client on the lan, for one |
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| 22:35.54 | johnjay | i still don't get why zlib1g-dev is called that. package names are a mystery to me |
| 22:36.37 | johnjay | Guest53366: that sounds fine i guess. is the proxy something you setup locally or something pay for? |
| 22:39.04 | abrotman | johnjay: development package |
| 22:41.20 | timeless | in general, -dev includes C header (.h) files or library (.sa) or minor build numbers (.so.x.y.z) |
| 22:41.40 | timeless | they help you build other things that depend on the main package |
| 22:42.07 | timeless | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/advanced.en.html |
| 22:42.10 | timeless | ^ that covers it |
| 22:43.23 | johnjay | ah ok timeless thanks |
| 22:43.49 | armin | i've actually seen many developers who find the concept of delivering header files seperately wrong. i don't have a strong opinion about it. |
| 22:43.52 | timeless | fwiw, debian's docs are actually quite good (i've been recently pissed at a couple of other vendor's for their awful documentation) |
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| 22:49.33 | gr8 | hi folks, during upgrading to Stretch and unpacking of packages, I got an error because the partition is full, and there are 7GB in /var/cache/apt. Is there something in there that I can delete? |
| 22:50.25 | johnjay | gr8: too bad you can't scroll up a few minutes. :D |
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| 22:51.52 | johnjay | dpkg: tell gr8 about apt-get clean |
| 22:52.34 | gr8 | can I do it during the unpacking phase?? |
| 22:52.50 | johnjay | sadly that's what i was asking about |
| 22:52.53 | Guest53366 | johnjay: can be both. you can run polipo, privoxy locally and enforce it for your LAN. corporate LAN's do that, for example. or you can pay a proxy in another country to relocate, or usually to hide your home IP. in the old days, my isp suggested to use their caching proxy to avoid interconnect fees for them |
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| 22:53.17 | Guest53366 | so many different uses.. |
| 22:53.24 | johnjay | Guest53366: well i have open-wrt on my router, i'd prefer to do it there if possible |
| 22:53.32 | johnjay | didn't realize corporate LANs did that standard |
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| 22:54.34 | johnjay | is a lowly peasant and does not know how the nobles live |
| 22:54.42 | draeath | Well not standard. but it's common. Net nannies need a proxy to work :) next time you're on your office box, inspect the google SSL cert *real* closely and you might find it's a spoof signed by an appliance, and installed into your local trust |
| 22:55.14 | draeath | I'll leave you with that nightmare, it's time to go home :) |
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| 22:57.12 | Violinist | heays |
| 22:57.24 | Violinist | wher i put apps for my user |
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| 22:57.47 | Violinist | like i downloaded postman but it came as a folder with sh script lol |
| 22:57.54 | Violinist | its not a .deb |
| 22:58.09 | Violinist | even i can package a .deb |
| 22:58.18 | Violinist | aparently google cant |
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| 23:01.51 | random_numbers | draeth's DPI MitM is sadly a thing. |
| 23:02.14 | random_numbers | *draeath |
| 23:02.44 | budder | hello all, is there a way to upgrade to stretch from jessie? or is a complete install necessary? |
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| 23:03.23 | random_numbers | You can upgrade. |
| 23:03.35 | random_numbers | looking up the link... |
| 23:03.58 | ryouma | budder: there is a guide |
| 23:04.27 | random_numbers | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/index |
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| 23:07.40 | gr8 | ok it works now, just a few MB were missing which I freed up |
| 23:08.24 | johnjay | ryouma: reboot is only necessary when doing a dist-upgrade right? |
| 23:08.31 | budder | ryouma: random_numbers as a beginner who is still learning linux, would you recommend to upgrade from within jessie or to reinstall to stretch? |
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| 23:10.33 | ryouma | to me, it's quite annoying to merge /etc files, set up accounts, and so on. by upgrading, you can attempt to not do that. if the upgrade fails, you can get help here, file bugs, or reinstall as a last resort |
| 23:10.36 | random_numbers | budder: If you didn't mess with system internals, I'd recommend just backuping, following the release guidelines and upgrading. |
| 23:10.49 | random_numbers | What ryouma said. |
| 23:10.52 | jmcnaught | budder: being able to upgrade between releases is one of Debian's major strengths. Do a backup, follow the instructions in the release notes, and you should be fine |
| 23:14.47 | budder | alright thanks |
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| 23:16.00 | jmcnaught | it's a good idea to read through the instructions once befor you start, so you know roughly what to expect. if you run into troubles, the people here will help |
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| 23:18.41 | johnjay | do /etc/ files get clobbered? |
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| 23:20.02 | jmcnaught | only if they piss of the thing |
| 23:20.15 | gr8 | ok when I run apt-get now, it tells me a huge list of things that have been automatically installed and are no longer needed. Among them libreoffice, uhm... |
| 23:20.17 | jmcnaught | s/of/off/ # i need a new keyboard |
| 23:20.55 | jmcnaught | gr8: sounds like you removed a metapackage for your desktop environment |
| 23:22.28 | gr8 | uhm, ok no just libreoffice-gtk, the real libreoffice is still installed |
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| 23:35.39 | johnjay | what i meant earlier is zlib1g seems very cryptic |
| 23:35.43 | johnjay | and like it might change |
| 23:35.53 | johnjay | meaning from one release to the next i have no idea what packages are called what |
| 23:36.15 | johnjay | this popularity package hopefully helps a bit |
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| 23:43.01 | budder | hey so I ran apt-get upgrade and then apt-get dist-upgrade but I don't think anything has changed. I also restarted and no difference. Still says Debian 8 Jessie |
| 23:43.11 | afidegnum | i have iptables and successfuly applied the rules but when i tried restartging it i have this error Failed to restart iptables.service: Unit iptables.service not found how can i fix it ? |
| 23:44.09 | gry | afidegnum, do I help you here or at ##linux, how do you prefer? |
| 23:44.37 | afidegnum | ok, linux |
| 23:44.42 | gry | afidegnum, ubuntu is not supported here btw, so let's do that |
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| 23:44.50 | glick | hey how come theres no chromium browser? |
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| 23:45.10 | afidegnum | ok, thx |
| 23:45.12 | gry | `v chromium-browser |
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| 23:45.20 | mutante | glick: there is? i have it installed as "chromium" |
| 23:45.36 | missmbob | ,v chromium |
| 23:45.37 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; buster: 59.0.3071.86-1; stretch: 59.0.3071.86-1; sid: 59.0.3071.104-1 |
| 23:45.46 | glick | is it part of mainline? |
| 23:46.56 | mutante | glick: yes? We're currently working through a backlog of Ethereum withdrawals. Recent or new sent transactions may remain pending longer than expected. |
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| 23:47.06 | mutante | glick: sorry, https://packages.debian.org/stretch/chromium |
| 23:47.31 | glick | ether |
| 23:47.36 | glick | mmmmm |
| 23:47.46 | dax | mEth |
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| 23:48.19 | mutante | glick: lol, it just started going up again and coinbase had an outage.. coincidences.. |
| 23:48.35 | glick | yeah i saw the coinbase outage |
| 23:48.49 | glick | i still ahve all my coin on coinbase i need to put it in a thin wallet |
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| 23:49.07 | johnjay | what's a thin wallet? |
| 23:49.17 | mutante | glick: i just did that.. Trezor |
| 23:49.20 | johnjay | like a paper wallet? |
| 23:49.34 | glick | its a wallet where you dont have to download the entire blockchain johnjay |
| 23:49.56 | johnjay | ah ok. all i know is they are voting on some kind of new standard which will make the blockchain smaller |
| 23:50.01 | johnjay | or something |
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| 23:55.45 | glick | the block chain is about 30 gigs |
| 23:57.31 | random_numbers | And still bloatin.g |
| 23:57.53 | random_numbers | Automated transactions picking up will rapidly bloat it faster than storage becomes available, at the current rate. |
| 23:57.57 | budder | where can I find my usb drive in terminal? |
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| 23:58.11 | random_numbers | budder: `lsblk` `lsusb` |
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| 23:58.47 | Tramp | glick: 120 rather |
| 23:59.39 | budder | random_numbers: thnx |