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| 00:19.44 | lucas-arg | hey all cant we install firefox 54 in debian?? |
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| 00:23.27 | themill | lucas-arg: the answer to that question is fairly obviously going to depend on what release you are running |
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| 00:24.34 | lucas-arg | themill, im running debian 9 |
| 00:24.47 | themill | firefox 54 is not in stretch |
| 00:24.54 | Frogmorton | firefox-esr shows version 52.2 |
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| 00:26.52 | mrr0butt | test |
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| 00:29.03 | mrr0butt | network-manager in stretch connects to wlan with bootparameter net.ifnames=0 |
| 00:29.10 | mrr0butt | :) |
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| 00:32.26 | pingouin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.59 | pingouin | firefox 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1 |
| 00:33.02 | lucas-arg | i can play html5 videos no problem here |
| 00:33.15 | lucas-arg | just wanted to see how multiprocess works on my laptop |
| 00:33.23 | pingouin | i can too, but with chrome... :/ |
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| 00:33.31 | lucas-arg | youtube is html5 and i have no problem with it |
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| 00:33.49 | mrr0butt | could be libav-tools |
| 00:34.20 | mrr0butt | chrome has own video libs |
| 00:34.32 | pingouin | ii libav-tools 7:3.2.5-1 |
| 00:34.35 | pingouin | installed... |
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| 00:35.14 | pingouin | stangely, with firefox 54, installed from mozilla's web site, html5 video are playing, but no sound ( pulseaudio problem) |
| 00:35.39 | pingouin | but with the packaged's debian version 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1 , nothing starts at all |
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| 00:36.27 | msiism | could anyone running stretch quote the first sentence of the description in "man time". i've found a typo in the jessie version, but don't know if it's been fixed already in stretch. |
| 00:37.33 | msiism | i'm asking this here, since that man page has been written by the debian maintainer of "time" |
| 00:38.08 | jmcnaught | https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/time/time.1.en.html |
| 00:38.42 | msiism | jmcnaught: thanks. didn't know that existed. |
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| 00:39.20 | msiism | the typo is still in there. i'll drop the author a line. |
| 00:39.50 | pingouin | why mozilla, why ???!!! always had troubles with this firefox since...ever... |
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| 00:41.30 | lucas-arg | pingouin, why dont you tell me a web where you have problem playing video and ill see if that happens to me to |
| 00:42.19 | pingouin | lucas-arg : any html5 video on youtube for instance |
| 00:42.51 | jmcnaught | pingouin: what happens if you run firefox-esr from a terminal emulator, are there error messages? Did you do anything out of the ordinary, like install a minimal Debian and then install all packages with recommends disabled for instance, or is this a fairly standard Debian system? |
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| 00:45.46 | pingouin | jmcnaught: nothing special here, netinstall from an usb key, install with 0 troubles and installed what i usualy need - all video/media software working great, mplayer / dvd / sound / mencoder / ardout / audacity..... |
| 00:46.44 | jmcnaught | doesn't really answer my question |
| 00:47.29 | pingouin | and nothing on the CLI - i always start from the CLI |
| 00:47.54 | jmcnaught | did you disable recommends? |
| 00:48.10 | pingouin | nevermind....goodbye firefox, will use chrome... it's time , give up on firefox |
| 00:48.14 | Frogmorton | Firefox-esr on stretch has a config option "Play DRM content" will this affect what you are seeing? |
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| 00:51.15 | Frogmorton | Do you need to install the package chromium-widevine to enable HTML5 video content that you can't play in firefox? |
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| 01:01.35 | kiril | hello |
| 01:01.43 | kiril | i have faced the following issue |
| 01:01.49 | kiril | http://paste.ubuntu.com/24944853/ |
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| 01:12.24 | citypw | If I make some donation via paypal to Debian, how can I confirm Debian got the money? |
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| 01:14.20 | mrr0butt | how much is "some" |
| 01:14.26 | mrr0butt | ? |
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| 01:15.42 | jhutchins | citypw: What, you don't trust paypal? |
| 01:16.38 | citypw | jhutchins: nope, I'm not sure if I could trust SPI. That's why I asked. |
| 01:18.13 | citypw | how can I confirm the money I sent is really delivered to Debian? |
| 01:18.20 | jhutchins | citypw: They look pretty open and above board. I would think if there had been any problems we would have heard about it. |
| 01:18.49 | jhutchins | citypw: I don't think there's sufficient administrative structure within Debian to provide that kind of confirmation - that's why they use SPI. |
| 01:19.12 | jhutchins | citypw: I'm not entirely sure that there is an actual entity that is "Debian". |
| 01:19.55 | mrr0butt | debian is a hoax |
| 01:19.58 | citypw | I sent more than 3k USD in past two years but never got any feedback. I'm a little worry. |
| 01:20.03 | jhutchins | citypw: Unlike canonical, which has a corporation at it's core, debian's pretty much just a bunch of volunteers and projects. |
| 01:20.06 | mrr0butt | wow |
| 01:20.06 | citypw | the receipt written like this "Debian Project via Software in the Public Interest, " |
| 01:20.07 | mrr0butt | nice |
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| 01:20.31 | citypw | jhutchins: yeah, that's why I like Debian. |
| 01:20.37 | jhutchins | citypw: Have you contacted SPI to find out how they allocate money donated to Debian? |
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| 01:21.21 | citypw | jhutchins: No. Cuz' I haven't find the contact about donation on the webpage: https://www.debian.org/donations.en.html |
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| 01:22.26 | jhutchins | citypw: http://www.spi-inc.org/contact/ |
| 01:23.58 | citypw | thanks for the url jhutchins |
| 01:24.22 | maher | citypw: I once sent them a check - six months later they sent it back saying they were too disorganized to cash checks at the moment... |
| 01:24.40 | mrr0butt | :D |
| 01:24.41 | jhutchins | maher: SPI or Debian? |
| 01:24.46 | Frogmorton | I have package xserver-xorg-video-nvidia in a half-installed state and I can't remove or reinstall it. Is this required or obsolete? (Stretch using nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver) |
| 01:25.09 | citypw | maher: ah, good to know;-) |
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| 01:25.47 | maher | jhutchins: I forget - this was a while ago.. |
| 01:26.03 | maher | jhutchins: like 10+ years ago |
| 01:26.24 | jhutchins | Our LUG (KCLUG) doesn't have legal existance. The assets we have - domain name, webserver, hosting - are held by individual members in trust for the group. |
| 01:27.30 | dondelelcaro | citypw: the treasurer regularly posts updates on the funds that SPI holds for Debian |
| 01:27.58 | maher | citypw: btw spi should send you a tax exempt letter once a year - have they ever done this? |
| 01:28.56 | maher | citypw: sorry - just saw your earlier comment - if they give a receipt that suffices for tx purposes |
| 01:29.46 | dondelelcaro | https://www.spi-inc.org/treasurer/reports/201612/ is the most recent one posted; looks like they're a bit behind |
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| 01:30.58 | citypw | maher: IIRC, I never received any info from SPI. I got the receipt from paypal. |
| 01:31.08 | citypw | dondelelcaro: I'll take a look. Thanks |
| 01:32.23 | dondelelcaro | citypw: but in general, they get posted periodically, so you can see exactly what SPI is doing with all of the associated project's money |
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| 01:33.38 | dondelelcaro | citypw: no problem. |
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| 01:37.53 | citypw | weird, SPI sent me the receipts about DebConf and OpenWRT but seems I haven't receive one about Debian. |
| 01:38.03 | citypw | I'll ping SPI later. |
| 01:38.12 | citypw | thanks folks |
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| 01:47.48 | nurupo | is there a portable way to get the right path to system's libdir? one which would work on debian, arch linux and others? |
| 01:49.21 | nurupo | in Debian 8 the correct libdir path is /usr/lib/, but Debian 9 introduces multi-arch support and the correct path is /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ , assuming amd64 arch |
| 01:50.19 | nurupo | in a Makefile for my software, how should i know the correct libdir path to where to install it? |
| 01:50.38 | dondelelcaro | nurupo: use autoconf and automake or cmake, which has all of the rules to do that correctly |
| 01:51.30 | dondelelcaro | (but whatever you do, don't write your own) |
| 01:51.49 | nurupo | uh |
| 01:51.53 | nurupo | it's just a Makefile |
| 01:52.04 | nurupo | i don't want to commit to cmake or autotools :\ |
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| 01:53.18 | nurupo | is there a way to query autotools for libdir path in my Makefile? |
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| 01:55.55 | nurupo | oh, cool, i think i got it |
| 01:56.30 | nurupo | my software is a vlc plugin and apparently `vlc-plugin` pkg-config defines libdir variable |
| 01:56.49 | nurupo | $ pkg-config vlc-plugin --variable=libdir |
| 01:56.49 | nurupo | /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu |
| 01:58.48 | dondelelcaro | but yeah; in general you don't need to define the libdir; the linker knows where the default libraries are |
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| 01:59.09 | dondelelcaro | otherwise, use pkg-config if you're working with something that uses it |
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| 02:04.08 | nurupo | oh, it's not a linking issue |
| 02:04.30 | nurupo | it's just that the libdir is the install directory of my software |
| 02:04.37 | nurupo | that's where vlc plugins are at |
| 02:05.43 | dondelelcaro | ah |
| 02:05.53 | dondelelcaro | strange that they're not in /usr/lib/vlc |
| 02:05.55 | dondelelcaro | or something like that |
| 02:06.06 | dondelelcaro | (though I guess they also need arch for multi-arch) |
| 02:06.52 | nurupo | they were in there in Debian 8 |
| 02:07.03 | nurupo | but in Debian 9 they changed to multiarch thing |
| 02:07.16 | nurupo | other distros use other paths too |
| 02:07.33 | dondelelcaro | ah, cool. Yeah, in that case, you definitely want what pkg-config says |
| 02:08.19 | nurupo | pkg-config is supposed to provide the correct location in all the cases, since the vlc-plugin.pc is generated by the distro packagers with the correct libdir set |
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| 02:27.43 | nurupo | dondelelcaro: https://github.com/nurupo/vlc-pause-click-plugin :P |
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| 02:38.31 | hfp | Hi, according to the man page `mkdir -p` doesn't error if the directory already exists. But if I run it on my Debian for a directory that already exists, it errors. Am I misunderstanding something or is it a bug? |
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| 02:40.01 | jmcnaught | hfp: what is the full command and output? |
| 02:41.45 | jmcnaught | no errors here |
| 02:41.49 | hfp | jmcnaught: http://termbin.com/kytc |
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| 02:42.42 | jmcnaught | hfp: is /scans a directory or a file? |
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| 02:44.45 | hfp | jmcnaught: oh good point, seems that it's a file. let me try again with a dir |
| 02:45.44 | hfp | yup, if it's a dir it's fine. my bad |
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| 02:48.49 | hfp | thanks jmcnaught |
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| 02:49.08 | jmcnaught | hfp: no problem, glad you figured it out ⺠|
| 02:49.22 | samantha- | i'd like to generate a list of file hashes -- say, sha256 -- and upload them to a server in the sky. on the server in the sky, i'd like to check incoming files against said list of hashes, and flag/move/delete matches. is there such a tool to make this easy? |
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| 03:03.17 | zjoeke | anybody know where to put the flash files in chromium ? |
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| 03:05.23 | zjoeke | tried some guides but its not working |
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| 03:10.07 | maher | zjoeke: have you tried installing pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
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| 03:11.04 | zjoeke | i read its outdated |
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| 03:12.07 | maher | zjoeke: seems to work for me |
| 03:12.17 | matlock | can i ask why you think you need flash? |
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| 03:12.52 | zjoeke | i put it where the readme.txt said /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/ to play zynga poker on chromium |
| 03:13.56 | matlock | pepperflashplugin is actively maintained by google, fwiw, just make sure you've got most recent version |
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| 03:14.37 | matlock | but I haven't had flash installed for years and it's an issue once or twice a year |
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| 03:15.06 | mns | I am trying to install wordpress, and it insists on installing Apache, even thought I have Lighttpd installed. wordpress depends on 'apache|httpd' and lighttpd provides 'httpd' so why does apt-get want to insist on installing apache ? |
| 03:18.57 | TomG2 | well it also depends on php5, which i'm not sure is available for lighttpd |
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| 03:20.33 | mns | ahhhh ok I didn't count on that. |
| 03:20.44 | mns | let me take a look at that |
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| 03:33.25 | hanasaki | what needs to be done to setup with a boot password and encrypted disks? |
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| 03:36.40 | ryouma | the installer i think supports it |
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| 05:04.21 | leibniz | hey whats up |
| 05:04.26 | leibniz | anyone aroubd? |
| 05:05.03 | leibniz | i have debian installed on my vps and was attacked last bight and my provider took action to save the box |
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| 05:05.31 | leibniz | but i cant connect to the box now with my phone |
| 05:06.25 | nkuttler | leibniz: talk to your provider |
| 05:06.47 | leibniz | well i can connect with my phone |
| 05:06.57 | leibniz | i just cant goto the website with my phone |
| 05:07.34 | leibniz | i was just wondering if that was a software issue that i can fix |
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| 05:08.40 | derekjc | was your server wide open to attacks? |
| 05:08.55 | leibniz | they have ddos anti protection |
| 05:09.22 | leibniz | can you goto the website to see if it is working? |
| 05:09.33 | leibniz | i will call the admins |
| 05:09.54 | leibniz | grov3r.org |
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| 05:14.16 | derekjc | leibniz: that does work. Just says hi |
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| 05:57.13 | leibniz | derekjc why wont my phone connect |
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| 05:59.27 | derekjc | leibniz: if your pc/laptop works... you'll need to fix your phone |
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| 06:00.54 | leibniz | you think its a phone issue and not a vps issie |
| 06:01.04 | leibniz | i will contact the vps |
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| 06:01.46 | gglasses | Hi guys. Is there a post for dummies on how to create a bootable USB ??? :) |
| 06:05.40 | nkuttler | gglasses: what do you want to boot? |
| 06:07.16 | patterson | http://alternativeto.net/software/rufus/ |
| 06:07.22 | gglasses | nkuttler: Debian! I want to install it... I read the doc. on the website, but honestly, I did not understand it. |
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| 06:08.42 | mandeep | gglasses: which OS are you on now? |
| 06:09.43 | gglasses | mandeep: Fedora :) |
| 06:11.51 | mandeep | gglasses: how did you install it? |
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| 06:18.47 | nkuttler | gglasses: which doc have you been reading? |
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| 06:22.20 | gglasses | nkuttler: now I found this https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb is this all I need? sounds easy! I found something else today but could not find it right now... |
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| 06:24.11 | nkuttler | gglasses: yeah |
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| 06:25.31 | veek | what's an alternate to apt-key update |
| 06:27.16 | gglasses | thanks nkuttler, i got a new computer and want to test Debian out on it :D |
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| 07:12.10 | G__81 | Hi i have installed Debian 9 in my Virtual Box VM. Everything seems to work fine. While installation, i gave the root user password and also created an user which also has the same password as the root a/c. Now when i do su and enter the root password, it says Authentication Failure, I am entering the configured password. When i do sudo -i it says the user is not part of the sudoers file |
| 07:12.17 | G__81 | can someone let me know how to resolve this |
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| 07:16.08 | themill | different keymap between install and now? |
| 07:16.56 | at0m | G__81: to verify, type the password (or something alike) on the tty and visually confirm |
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| 07:17.51 | mrr0butt | did you install from 9.0.1 live image? |
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| 07:19.19 | mrr0butt | 9.0.1 live image disables root login and doesnt ad your account to sudoers |
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| 07:22.50 | mrr0butt | btw 9.0.0 images make a normal install with root login |
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| 07:26.34 | G__81 | at0m, yeah tried that and its exactly the same |
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| 07:26.55 | themill | !ifrp |
| 07:26.55 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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| 07:27.36 | G__81 | at0m, in fact both of my passwords are same. the one set for user ac and the root ac |
| 07:28.02 | G__81 | the user ac works fine but in root i am getting authentication failure. I am not able to add the user to the sudo group as well :( |
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| 07:30.01 | jaggz | I have a plasmashell --shut-up taking up half a gig of ram, and 6gigs of virtual memory |
| 07:30.56 | jaggz | how do I reset it? |
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| 07:31.14 | jaggz | oh.. here.. |
| 07:31.16 | jaggz | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linuxquestions-org-member-success-stories-23/plasmashell-high-cpu-load-fix-plasma-5-9x-kde-4175606972/ |
| 07:31.50 | jaggz | here they also point out it seems to be related to notification icons.. I AM having a problem with those -- I have two that are black |
| 07:31.56 | jaggz | black squares |
| 07:32.59 | G__81 | if i dont set the root password during installation would the user ac be added to sudo by default? |
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| 07:33.22 | jaggz | my irc client (hexchat) makes one in the upper left corner -- a black cube overlapping my pager panel widget up there, and one in the icontray thingy -- my wifi status icon is black |
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| 07:35.29 | jaggz | I restarted plasmashell and it reduced the memory use (down to 250mb resident, 4gb vsz), but my icons are black still |
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| 07:40.26 | mrr0butt | idk the 9.0.1 live image asks for root pw but the installation procedure seams to be broken, just take a 9.0.0 image |
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| 07:40.59 | contrapunctus | o/ |
| 07:41.32 | mrr0butt | you can also switch to tty on end of installatation chroot to /target and fix it |
| 07:42.37 | mrr0butt | but if you do a clean install why not from working image with no bugs |
| 07:43.40 | contrapunctus | Wireless shows up as 'unavailable' in the tray after an update (same goes for running 'nmcli'). RT3290, firmware *is* installed. Please help. |
| 07:44.02 | mrr0butt | had same issiue |
| 07:44.08 | mrr0butt | and could fix it |
| 07:44.15 | mrr0butt | :D |
| 07:44.19 | contrapunctus | mrr0butt: ? |
| 07:45.13 | mrr0butt | edit in /etc/default/grub the line |
| 07:45.15 | mrr0butt | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=" |
| 07:45.19 | mrr0butt | to |
| 07:45.33 | mrr0butt | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="net.ifnames=0" |
| 07:45.41 | mrr0butt | then |
| 07:45.47 | mrr0butt | update-grub |
| 07:45.55 | mrr0butt | and reboot |
| 07:46.01 | contrapunctus | o_O |
| 07:46.10 | mrr0butt | this will turn on old style iface names |
| 07:46.13 | mrr0butt | wlan0 |
| 07:46.31 | mrr0butt | and network-manager can connec |
| 07:46.33 | mrr0butt | t |
| 07:47.47 | mrr0butt | oh |
| 07:47.49 | mrr0butt | mom |
| 07:47.58 | mrr0butt | the whole interface |
| 07:48.03 | mrr0butt | is |
| 07:48.15 | mrr0butt | 'unavailable' |
| 07:48.22 | mrr0butt | ok forget it |
| 07:48.27 | mrr0butt | sry my bad |
| 07:48.50 | contrapunctus | o___o |
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| 07:49.36 | jelly-home | !enter |
| 07:49.36 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 07:49.43 | mrr0butt | do you have a directory in /sys/class/net/ callead same as your iface |
| 07:50.04 | contrapunctus | mrr0butt: yes. |
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| 07:51.09 | mrr0butt | then the driver/firmware is loaded |
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| 07:53.20 | mrr0butt | does "ip link set dev <ifacename> up" something? |
| 07:54.23 | contrapunctus | mrr0butt: "RTNETLINK answers: Input/output error" |
| 07:55.01 | mrr0butt | run as root |
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| 07:55.29 | contrapunctus | That was with root. When I ran it without root I got "RTNETLINK answers: Operation not permitted" |
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| 07:59.11 | hellyeah | i cannot connect bluetooth. It was connected and disconnected right away please help |
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| 08:08.08 | contrapunctus | there's another very irritating problem with this machine...the shell autocompletion has never worked. |
| 08:08.46 | at0m | contrapunctus: do you have bash-completion ? |
| 08:09.54 | at0m | here, i noticed completion works on different machines to a varying extend. say, some autocomplete apt show bash[tab], some don't |
| 08:09.56 | jelly-home | contrapunctus: which login shell do you use |
| 08:10.04 | contrapunctus | at0m: IIRC I did - but right now it seems that it isn't (might have been wiped in the update) |
| 08:10.26 | contrapunctus | jelly-home: ? |
| 08:10.27 | at0m | see /etc/bash_completion* |
| 08:10.35 | at0m | contrapunctus: bash, dash, .. |
| 08:10.43 | contrapunctus | bash, pretty sure |
| 08:10.55 | jelly-home | contrapunctus: what's your login shell? getent passwd yourusername |
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| 08:11.35 | contrapunctus | /bin/bash it is |
| 08:11.46 | contrapunctus | mrr0butt: dmesg - http://paste.debian.net/973175 |
| 08:11.52 | jelly-home | then bash-completion is the right thing to use. |
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| 08:16.16 | mrr0butt | r8169 0000:05:00.0: firmware: failed to load rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw (-2) |
| 08:16.45 | mrr0butt | should the kernel module be something with r3 |
| 08:17.00 | jelly-home | mrr0butt: that's wired card drivers. |
| 08:17.23 | jelly-home | not wireless. And it often works without that firmware |
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| 08:19.21 | mrr0butt | firmware is loaded by module r8169 |
| 08:19.32 | mrr0butt | you could try blacklist r8169 |
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| 08:26.53 | mrr0butt | r8169 0000:05:00.0 eth0: unable to load firmware patch rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw (-12) |
| 08:26.58 | pie3 | how to find out all bridged channels on irc |
| 08:27.00 | mrr0butt | this device? |
| 08:29.15 | jelly-home | mrr0butt: that's wired ethernet |
| 08:29.43 | jelly-home | !r8169 |
| 08:29.43 | dpkg | r8169 is a Linux kernel driver supporting the Realtek RTL8101, RTL8111/8168 and RTL8169 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>, <rtl8402>, <rtl8411>. Not to be confused with the out-of-tree <r8168> driver. |
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| 08:33.28 | debo | hi guys |
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| 08:34.02 | debo | I'm having a nightmare after upgrading to stretch |
| 08:34.29 | debo | i have issues with nouveau driver I think |
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| 08:34.56 | debo | i tried to install proprietary drivers and to remove them after |
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| 08:35.49 | debo | currently I can log into plasma but there is no taskbar or desktop |
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| 08:36.08 | debo | I can run applications from konsole |
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| 08:37.21 | G__81 | is the kernel that gets shipped with Debian 9, cgroups aware ? |
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| 08:37.57 | debo | i have this card: G72 [GeForce 7300 LE] |
| 08:38.03 | G__81 | if i have to play with ip vrf etc, it does not seem to work because looks like cgroups is not compiled in the debian kernel |
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| 08:45.16 | jelly-home | debo: that card is very, very old and probably cannot support plasma properly, see if you can start systemsettings -> Hardware -> Display and Monitor -> Compositor ... and either disable compositor or try switching Rendering backend to OpenGL 2.0 or XRender |
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| 08:47.15 | debo | hi jelly, thanks |
| 08:47.42 | contrapunctus | mrr0butt , jelly-home - I believe running ifconfig wlan0 fixed it o_o |
| 08:47.44 | debo | it was set to GL2 and I disabled it now |
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| 08:54.08 | oo_miguel | in my apt sources.list: what is the difference between stretch-updates and stretch/updates ? |
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| 08:58.04 | nkuttler | !tell oo_miguel about stretch-updates |
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| 09:00.15 | oo_miguel | nkuttler: thank you |
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| 09:07.26 | root-x | !teel root-x about opkg |
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| 09:08.12 | nkuttler | !tell root-x about selftell |
| 09:09.11 | root-x | !tell root-x about opkg |
| 09:09.11 | root-x | ¬¬ |
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| 09:10.47 | jelly-home | root-x: what are you trying to do |
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| 09:16.21 | oo_miguel | royiv: you can talk to dpkg directly |
| 09:16.45 | oo_miguel | aah s/royiv/root-x |
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| 09:16.55 | jun_ | this is madness. a 51000 packages. |
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| 09:21.17 | jun_ | how much do they pay debian to compete with fedora? |
| 09:21.47 | bazhang | nothing |
| 09:22.20 | jun_ | so, you have competition from fedora? |
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| 09:24.42 | jun_ | I can say that the others will like to know what you're doing with open source. |
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| 09:25.42 | bazhang | jun_, do you have an actual debian issue |
| 09:25.47 | jim | jun_, opening it further? compiling it? changing it? redistributing it with those changes? reading it? trying to understand it? |
| 09:25.51 | jun_ | I'm just testing it. |
| 09:26.13 | jim | test awayâ¦. |
| 09:26.26 | jun_ | Look. I want to know what's going on with the makers? |
| 09:26.36 | bazhang | what makers |
| 09:26.40 | jim | they make? |
| 09:26.58 | jun_ | Oh. Wait. |
| 09:27.05 | jim | it's not a secret :) |
| 09:27.21 | jun_ | You need to keep it cool okay. These guys know what they're doing. |
| 09:27.29 | bazhang | join the debian mailing lists for the 'makers' |
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| 09:27.58 | jun_ | Maybe later. |
| 09:28.03 | jun_ | I'll hang out here a bit. |
| 09:28.18 | bazhang | jun_, offtopic chatter in #debian-offtopic |
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| 09:29.07 | jim | you're welcome to do that... and you can learn all you want... AND... this is not a place that -automatically- forwards information for you specifically |
| 09:29.46 | jim | having said that, I have been even known to do a google search or two when it can help someone |
| 09:30.40 | jim | just don't think of me as an info mule :) I don't swallow balloons :) |
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| 09:33.21 | jim | to that end, I/we will help you get better at gathering info, and finding where to go to get more |
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| 09:39.56 | gr8 | Since upgrading to Stretch, I have a number of performance problems with my system. One of them is that I can't play videos without major lagging. One message from VLC I get is this one: http://paste.debian.net/973188/ Any ideas? |
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| 09:42.21 | jelly | gr8: does mpv work any better? |
| 09:44.15 | jim | do you notice whether the disk accesses a lot before the thing starts |
| 09:44.17 | jim | ? |
| 09:45.05 | gr8 | jelly: yes it does! Also tried mplayer but it throws a lot of lines about "Not enough video memory to play this movie." |
| 09:45.17 | gr8 | jim: SSD. So no I don't notice anything |
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| 09:45.56 | jim | there's no disk access light, like on the front panel of your computer? |
| 09:46.14 | gr8 | there is but it starts immediately. |
| 09:46.48 | jim | ok, so starting/swap/etc isn't it |
| 09:46.49 | gr8 | ok I accidently tried the mplayer in a root shell. Running mplayer in a normal shell, the video just doesn't start. |
| 09:47.01 | gr8 | mpv seems to work |
| 09:47.14 | jelly | also, do you get similar issues using mpv --hwdec=vaapi .. |
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| 09:48.05 | gr8 | jelly: Seems to work, but I get a warning on the console that "VO does not support requested hardware decoder, or loading it failed." |
| 09:48.06 | bearsbot | mode change by osiris.inchra.chat on Inchra: +nt |
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| 09:49.24 | JuniusBrutus | jelly, I know that it's offtopic, but what exactly did nick/bot do? |
| 09:49.55 | jelly | be a bot |
| 09:50.12 | jelly | and also, make noise |
| 09:50.21 | JuniusBrutus | jelly, but what was its purpose? |
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| 09:50.56 | hassoon | jolly jelly |
| 09:51.21 | jelly | JuniusBrutus: don't care, it's not one of ours, so it's gone |
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| 09:52.56 | jelly | bear1: ask for permission before joining a bot in here, please |
| 09:53.06 | p0g0 | JuniusBrutus: bots monitor the text stream from a channel and use that text to trigger canned responses, they can do about anything, but are often useless noise. |
| 09:53.31 | p0g0 | fyi |
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| 10:03.09 | gr8 | so? |
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| 10:04.28 | jelly | gr8: okay then, what about mpv -vo vdpau ... ? |
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| 10:05.24 | bazhang | gr8, whats the video, I will have a try |
| 10:05.41 | BluesKaj | Howdy folks |
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| 10:25.54 | Felix_Wolf | Hey! I was wondering, on a scale of 0 to 10, how ruined is my install? https://gist.github.com/FelixWolf/a046affd3bb4c061f01df9d43600a60e (GTK windows have lost their theming, it's like someone yanked the css out of a webpage) |
| 10:25.54 | yang | Changing debian stretch grub kernel boot order, means editing /etc/default/grub "GRUB_DEFAULT=" entry, then executing "grub-update" for some reason it doesn't change the order ? |
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| 10:28.03 | jelly | yang: it's supposed to just change the default entry chosen |
| 10:28.42 | yang | the first kernel is listed from 0 to 3, then the next ones comes as 4, but it still boots the first one... |
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| 10:29.07 | yang | that's from grub.cfg |
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| 10:37.06 | gr8 | jelly: Now I get this: http://paste.debian.net/973196/ |
| 10:37.18 | hiroki | Using freshly installed Stretch, it seems that sysctl.conf + sysctl.d/*.conf are ignored during boot. For instance, I disable IPv6 in a sysctl.d/ipv6.conf file. This is not applied post-boot, however, restarting the service systemd-sysctl.service manually post-boot activates whatever sysctl configuration I have stored. Anyone experiencing the same issue / got any pointers ? |
| 10:37.40 | gr8 | bazhang: it's a youtube video, i don't think the video is the issue. |
| 10:37.50 | gr8 | (a downloaded youtube video) |
| 10:38.04 | jelly | yang: I honestly have no idea how you're supposed to pick an entry that's in a submenu, maybe that's what you're seeing |
| 10:38.18 | gr8 | also now the video is played with VLC and mplayer, but the message is still there |
| 10:38.23 | jelly | yang: there's a #grub channel, maybe they know |
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| 10:38.35 | bazhang | gr8, is it mkv, flv, mp4 or what |
| 10:38.43 | gr8 | mp4 |
| 10:39.01 | bazhang | gr8, it's corrupt then |
| 10:39.15 | gr8 | just re-downloaded it |
| 10:39.31 | bazhang | gr8, was this with adp or not |
| 10:39.38 | gr8 | adp? |
| 10:39.43 | bazhang | yes |
| 10:39.48 | gr8 | what is adp please |
| 10:39.59 | jelly | gr8: the message may be a red herring; even if vaapi fails, decoding in software may be fast enough and the real issue is something else, like suboptimal video output configured in vlc |
| 10:39.59 | bazhang | gr8, how did you download it |
| 10:40.20 | gr8 | bazhang: downloaded it with JDownloader |
| 10:40.26 | gr8 | it normally works fine |
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| 10:40.39 | bazhang | gr8, thats the issue right htere |
| 10:40.48 | gr8 | the issue started with the upgrade to Stretch |
| 10:40.49 | bazhang | jdownloader is the worst |
| 10:40.56 | mrr0butt | :D |
| 10:41.23 | jelly | gr8: was mpv -vo vdpau also slow, or not? |
| 10:41.40 | jelly | ,v youtube-dl |
| 10:41.41 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- jessie: 2014.08.05-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2017.05.18.1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 2017.05.18.1-1; buster: 2017.05.18.1-1; stretch: 2017.05.18.1-1 |
| 10:42.02 | jelly | gr8: ^^ see if using that makes any difference (doubtful but...) |
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| 10:42.22 | hanshenrik | what the frawk |
| 10:42.30 | hanshenrik | what happened to libmysqlclient-dev in debian9? |
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| 10:42.33 | gr8 | jelly: thanks, nothing is slow. Before, the video didn't play at all but now it works. Just the message is still there. |
| 10:42.47 | hanshenrik | its in oldstable and unstable |
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| 10:43.33 | hanshenrik | how do i install the mysql C lib in debian 9? ( this 1 https://packages.debian.org/sid/libmysqlclient-dev ) |
| 10:43.57 | jelly | hanshenrik: apt-cache search libmysqlclient dev |
| 10:44.15 | hanshenrik | libmariadbclient-dev-compat |
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| 10:44.40 | hanshenrik | thanks |
| 10:44.42 | jelly | hanshenrik: short answer is, you install default-libmysqlclient-dev |
| 10:44.50 | veek | why does my font change when i set a different locale |
| 10:45.00 | gr8 | also I have a number of other problems, for example switching between X-Servers is very slow and sometimes the x server hangs for a few seconds. Sometimes resuming from RAM and then switching x-server makes everything hang. I might just try to make a fresh install |
| 10:45.16 | veek | XTERM_LOCALE |
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| 10:45.40 | veek | XTERM_LOCALE=zh_CN.UTF-8 is different from the C locale fonts |
| 10:45.44 | jelly | gr8: a fresh install will have the same versions of software and is not very likely to fix possible driver issues |
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| 10:45.57 | teraflops | veek: maybe youre talking about pressing same key prints a different glyph because the kayboard map? |
| 10:46.03 | gr8 | jelly: maybe something wrent wrong during the upgrade |
| 10:46.15 | gr8 | or Stretch just has these issues, then I'll switch OS |
| 10:46.24 | jelly | gr8: the latter is more likely |
| 10:46.29 | gr8 | Hmm |
| 10:46.43 | gr8 | not good. |
| 10:46.52 | gr8 | I'll see if things will resolve themselves magically |
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| 10:46.55 | bazhang | a lagging video requires a fresh install? |
| 10:46.57 | veek | teraflops, i'm using fcitx in the background but that's not changing fonts.. my hexchat and firefox system fonts look different |
| 10:47.20 | gr8 | bazhang: I want to watch movies right? :P |
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| 10:47.30 | gr8 | can't live without watching series |
| 10:47.33 | jelly | gr8: see if creating a fresh user and logging in as that makes some of these issue go away, first |
| 10:47.37 | bazhang | gr8, then use the proper tools to dl from yt |
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| 10:48.13 | jelly | leftover incompatible settings in users |
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| 10:48.20 | gr8 | jelly: ok thanks I will when it happens the next time |
| 10:48.26 | jelly | ' HOME do not get macigally upgraded |
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| 10:49.15 | gr8 | bazhang: downloading a video from youtube is just fetching a HTTP bytestream, I don't see how that could go wrong |
| 10:49.21 | teraflops | veek: all the glyphs? mabe youre using a bad font that do no have all the chinese glup glyphs or render them properly |
| 10:49.31 | teraflops | s/glup/chinese |
| 10:49.34 | bazhang | get video download helper |
| 10:49.58 | gr8 | ^ that dude xD |
| 10:50.00 | bazhang | thats the adp I was talking about |
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| 10:50.32 | bazhang | jdownloader is only less worse than yt-dl |
| 10:50.38 | gr8 | in what respect? |
| 10:50.39 | teraflops | bah |
| 10:50.42 | teraflops | bazhang: ^ |
| 10:50.44 | teraflops | xD |
| 10:50.45 | bazhang | every |
| 10:50.52 | gry | don't use acronyms |
| 10:50.53 | gr8 | in every respect, I see :rofl |
| 10:51.01 | gry | when people ask what they mean, answer them |
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| 10:51.13 | veek | teraflops, i've installed the glyphs etc and chinese works via fcitx BUT i have to do export LC_ALL=zh_CN.UTF-8 and export GTK_IM_MODULE=fcitx and that changes the fonts in hexchat |
| 10:51.26 | bazhang | youtube-dl is the actual package name |
| 10:51.41 | teraflops | veek: idk what fcitx is sorry |
| 10:51.43 | bazhang | and we were talking about youtube |
| 10:51.49 | teraflops | I dont know^ |
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| 10:51.55 | bazhang | so yt is clearly understood here by all |
| 10:52.21 | veek | teraflops, it's an input method.. you can do C-s and type ni hao and 'ni hao' gets converted to chinese |
| 10:52.58 | teraflops | veek: since when an input methos install glyphs? |
| 10:53.02 | teraflops | method |
| 10:53.19 | veek | teraflops, i installed the fonts/glyphs independently via apt |
| 10:53.30 | veek | which is why the chinese characters appear |
| 10:53.40 | Felix_Wolf | I went from 8 to 9, stuff probably broke during transit. Anyone know why windows would be looking like this, and how to fix it?: https://snapshots.softhyena.com/0ad6ab76c1ba2ca96b2ef6d04d546425.png |
| 10:53.54 | teraflops | veek: well, it looks like your issue is with that fcitx thingy |
| 10:54.01 | veek | but the ENGLISH fonts in hexchat are now altered |
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| 10:55.08 | jelly | bazhang: is this adp available in debian? |
| 10:56.26 | Felix_Wolf | scratch that, fixed it, a symlink broke |
| 10:56.29 | bazhang | jelly, it's a setting in firefox when using the firefox addon, video downloader helper, which is also available on debian or nay system at all |
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| 10:56.41 | bazhang | any |
| 10:57.06 | jelly | so... I'm going with "no" |
| 10:57.21 | bazhang | firefox runs on debian |
| 10:57.26 | teraflops | ಠ_ಠ|
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| 10:58.39 | bazhang | nice quit message |
| 10:58.45 | teraflops | debian runs on toasters are you going to complain about your breakfast here? |
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| 10:59.21 | bazhang | teraflops, I never have any video dl issues, so no |
| 10:59.32 | bazhang | it was grate that did |
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| 11:00.05 | jelly | and it magically fixed itself, so who knows |
| 11:01.45 | jelly | gr8: if you have an intel cpu and gpu, their drivers start to rot a bit after 2-3 newer generations come out |
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| 11:02.38 | jelly | so maybe something like sandybridge or ivybridge has reached that point where regressions start to creep in |
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| 11:03.11 | missmbob | youtube-dl |
| 11:03.43 | jun_ | awesome. they're gonna have chips that support 100,000 packages soon. |
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| 11:04.53 | jun_ | I wanted to code for Intel but AMD has more rights. |
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| 11:06.42 | jun_ | Those cheapskates. |
| 11:06.51 | jun_ | They run the show and then when they have it, boom. |
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| 11:07.29 | jelly | jun_: less noise in the future please, this channel is for tech support not random ramblings |
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| 11:21.09 | donatas | Anyone had problems deploying django app on debian sing wsgi python 3 |
| 11:21.10 | donatas | ? |
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| 11:25.53 | gr8 | here, problem Xorg is taking 90% of my CPU time after switching the VT to a different xserver |
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| 11:26.25 | user_` | is it possible to use virtualbox with installed grsec kernel from backports? |
| 11:27.09 | jelly | try it and see? |
| 11:27.20 | user_` | i tried in jessie already |
| 11:27.26 | user_` | no success |
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| 11:27.43 | jelly | using vbox on a _host_ with grsec kernel? |
| 11:27.45 | user_` | so i would like to know whether it's posible in current stable |
| 11:28.33 | jelly | user_`: the grsec kernel is being increasingly out of date since grsecurity closed free access to their sources |
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| 11:29.04 | user_` | oh |
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| 11:29.10 | jelly | user_`: so there isn't any grsec build of the kernel in stretch at all |
| 11:29.13 | user_` | i was not aware sorry |
| 11:29.24 | user_` | jelly, well, actually there is |
| 11:29.27 | user_` | in backports |
| 11:29.41 | jelly | ,v linux-image-grsec-amd64 |
| 11:29.42 | judd | Package: linux-image-grsec-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 12~bpo8+1; sid: 12 |
| 11:30.12 | jelly | no stretch in that list |
| 11:31.11 | jelly | but vbox does dirty tricks, I wouldn't be surprised it actually could not work at all on a grsec kernel with most settings enabled |
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| 11:32.32 | user_` | is there some reliable alternative to grsec? |
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| 11:36.24 | fallentree | user_`: no, and btw, grsec no longer has public patches so the grsec kernel is old, unpatched, buggy |
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| 11:37.19 | awal1 | "Since April 26, 2017 all the patches are released to paying customers only. Any use of the GRSecurity trademarks in third party products, forks or modifications is also forbidden. The license for the product remains unchanged. (GPLv2) [6]" from Wikipedia |
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| 11:39.19 | jelly | fallentree: even a year old grsec can protect from some things better than latest vanilla |
| 11:39.35 | fallentree | maybe |
| 11:39.50 | fallentree | but, the only reliable alternative to this joke of linux security, is BSDs |
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| 11:40.18 | GenteelBen | lol that's actually true. |
| 11:40.25 | GenteelBen | Linux security is as broken as Windows security. |
| 11:40.28 | jelly | fallentree: we do have debian gnu/kfreebsd for those so inclined... but don't go there |
| 11:40.37 | jelly | let's keep to specific tech issues in here |
| 11:40.40 | GenteelBen | In fact I'd sooner trust a secured Windows box than a secured Linux box. |
| 11:40.42 | fallentree | yup. |
| 11:41.01 | GenteelBen | The reason the PS3 was so amazing? BSD, baby. |
| 11:41.14 | jelly | GenteelBen, fallentree: you may discuss that in #debian-offtopic |
| 11:42.09 | user_` | no, i wouldn't trust closed source any time |
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| 11:46.03 | fallentree | but, to stay ontopic wrt the debian package called linux-image-grsec, the problem is there were other vulns fixed that haven't landed in the grsec kernels. the grsec patches aren't holy grail either, they just fix some generic vectors like stack buffer overflows and similar. there's still a class of vulns that grsec can't help with because they're logical errors. |
| 11:46.19 | fallentree | so, you're better off with mainline which recently got KSPP patches upstreamed. |
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| 11:47.20 | jelly | yes. They fix a dozen generic vectors, and I've seen local escalations fail on forgotten 3.2 grsec system where they worked on years newer 3.2 debian kernels |
| 11:47.29 | fallentree | take this stack guard page vuln (that Debian still hasn't fixed). According to RedHat, even grsec is vulnerable. |
| 11:48.27 | jelly | ,cve lookup CVE-2017-1000376 |
| 11:48.31 | jelly | !cve lookup CVE-2017-1000376 |
| 11:48.31 | dpkg | Information about the security advisory CVE-2017-1000376 may be found at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-1000376 |
| 11:48.36 | jelly | fallentree: ^^ |
| 11:49.09 | fallentree | there's a few more, unfixed. that vuln has several facets scattered across several CVEs |
| 11:49.27 | fallentree | btw, 376 is not the one I'm talking about |
| 11:49.33 | fallentree | let me find it |
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| 11:51.58 | jelly | fallentree: you can also search by source package name, so https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/linux |
| 11:52.57 | jelly | and there you find eg. CVE-2017-1000364 |
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| 11:54.41 | fallentree | The 379 is what I meant |
| 11:54.52 | fallentree | no, wait |
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| 11:56.16 | fallentree | Right, it was 364. I see it's fixed now. |
| 11:56.18 | jelly | that one is mitigated by a) affected kernel not being part of any debian release and b) ld.so fixes |
| 11:56.41 | jelly | they've been fixed for a week, about the same time all the other distros fixed it |
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| 12:15.18 | Frogmorton | Hi I have a problem left over from my upgrade to Stretch; xserver-xorg-video-nvidia is broken or not fully installed |
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| 12:15.47 | Frogmorton | I can't install any packages because it first tries to uninstall that package and fails |
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| 12:16.29 | abrotman | You could use paste.debian.net to show us the errors |
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| 12:18.13 | Frogmorton | If I try to remove it a post-removal script fails: http://paste.debian.net/973208 |
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| 12:19.19 | user_` | what's about using user mode linux in terms of hardening security? |
| 12:20.08 | abrotman | Frogmorton: you could put a set -x at the top of the postrm if you wan tto see what's going on, or put an exit at the top to just remove it |
| 12:20.22 | larvallid | i want to set up luks to accept either a password or usb flash drive on boot. i followed this https://stackoverflow.com/questions/19713918/how-to-load-luks-passphrase-from-usb-falling-back-to-keyboard but only the password works. if i use the usb, it says "bad password or options." |
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| 12:20.40 | loeken | Frogmorton, apt-get install -f ( to force ) |
| 12:21.25 | Frogmorton | It still tries to complete the removal first, with the -f |
| 12:21.50 | abrotman | yeah, that won't help |
| 12:21.55 | abrotman | you have to alter the postrm script |
| 12:22.11 | Frogmorton | Where would I find that script? |
| 12:22.37 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 12:26.13 | Frogmorton | oh, it won't allow removal while 'nvidia' is still referenced in xorg.conf. happy to not remove it, so how do I make it complete the install/config? |
| 12:26.29 | OtakuSenpai | ,v firefox |
| 12:26.30 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 54.0-1; experimental: 55.0~b2-1 |
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| 12:27.18 | user_` | ,v iceweasel |
| 12:27.19 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 38.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy: 38.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; sid: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch- |
| 12:27.20 | judd | security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 52.2.0esr-1; buster: 52.2.0esr-1 |
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| 12:27.45 | OtakuSenpai | whats the command to specify a distribution on apt |
| 12:27.49 | abrotman | Frogmorton: you'd have to show us that output also |
| 12:27.51 | OtakuSenpai | -t ? |
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| 12:30.18 | OtakuSenpai | nm |
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| 12:31.37 | Frogmorton | it still comes back to 1 not fully installed or removed: http://paste.debian.net/973213 |
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| 12:32.27 | abrotman | set -x ? |
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| 12:34.12 | Frogmorton | is that instead of the set -e it already has? |
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| 12:35.28 | abrotman | sure |
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| 12:38.54 | bluewhitew | is there a way to kill intel hd and use only the amd on X ? |
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| 12:39.38 | Frogmorton | The postrm warning is about nvidia still in the xorg.conf. Can't find why it wont complete the install/configuration tho. |
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| 12:40.48 | Frogmorton | set -x just confirms that it stops because nvidia is still in use. I installed the wrong version (current) as well as the legacy version (340) so I don't know if this failed xserver thing is required by both |
| 12:41.07 | abrotman | the install complains it's in use also? |
| 12:41.25 | Frogmorton | Install just says not fully installed or configured |
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| 12:42.27 | abrotman | put the set -x at the stop of the preinst also? |
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| 12:42.46 | Frogmorton | tried that, don't think it ran it |
| 12:42.55 | abrotman | again, you could just put "exit 0" at the top, and it will remove the package |
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| 12:44.26 | abrotman | and then reinstall it (or attempt to) |
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| 12:44.53 | Frogmorton | Well that got rid of it |
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| 12:46.40 | Frogmorton | It looks like it was specific to the 375.66 driver, so hopefully I dont have to reinstall it |
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| 12:49.39 | Frogmorton | Ok no, that hosed xorg |
| 12:50.01 | abrotman | did you get the new driver installed? |
| 12:50.43 | Frogmorton | Putting it back now, It found a bunch of gl and related files to add in |
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| 12:51.59 | Frogmorton | Still getting a recurring error during installs: update-alternatives: warning: forcing reinstallation of alternative /usr/lib/nvidia/current because link group nvidia is broken |
| 12:52.27 | abrotman | that's a warning, but seems ominous ? |
| 12:53.00 | Frogmorton | It lets me use update-alternatives to select the correct driver |
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| 12:54.03 | Frogmorton | tho I think I shouldn't have installed nvidia current in the first place |
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| 12:55.32 | jelly | Frogmorton: that's not an error, and is normal |
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| 12:57.40 | jelly | does your card require current (375) or legacy 340 then? What does nvidia-detect say? |
| 12:58.03 | Frogmorton | It requires the 340 |
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| 13:04.43 | Frogmorton | Cool that seems to have fixed things. Apt is working and the correct driver in use, think I shld stop messing with it : ) |
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| 13:08.39 | Frogmorton | Thanx for the directions, I think my upgrade to Stretch is complete. sleep time. |
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| 13:11.57 | dvs | renaming the network devices are a pain! |
| 13:12.55 | jelly | so stop doing it |
| 13:13.19 | dvs | It'll work for now until buster comes along. |
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| 13:32.40 | iodev | dvs: when? in 2018 right? |
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| 13:32.55 | dvs | iodev, I'd bet on 2019 |
| 13:33.03 | dvs | !wwbr |
| 13:33.03 | dpkg | GO AWAY. I'M RESTING! I'VE ONLY JUST RELEASED STRETCH! |
| 13:33.08 | dvs | hah hahah aha |
| 13:33.13 | dvs | Can't get over that. |
| 13:33.47 | iodev | what does wwbr mean? |
| 13:33.50 | iodev | (acronym) |
| 13:33.57 | dvs | when will buster release |
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| 13:33.58 | tw | when will it be released, I presume. |
| 13:34.00 | tw | ah. |
| 13:34.04 | iodev | !wwsr |
| 13:34.04 | dpkg | IT'S OUT! http://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170617 |
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| 13:34.15 | iodev | ahh, I see |
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| 13:35.19 | mrdeb | getting a bootstrap error STILL on live images. |
| 13:35.42 | mrdeb | it loads the cdrom components now, but still stops at force mirror selection screen in installer. |
| 13:36.06 | nkuttler | mrdeb: you should ask the people in #debian-boot @oftc |
| 13:36.52 | mrdeb | nkuttler: that's not a real channel |
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| 13:37.46 | nkuttler | !tell mrdeb about oftc |
| 13:37.54 | mrdeb | the only install that currently works is the default xfce4 cd, and that's ONLY if you select all three desktop component options. if you select only the base system and then install up from there, it will freeze on the lightdm screen (keyboard input isn't allowed). |
| 13:38.11 | abrotman | mrdeb: why are you using the live image? Hopefully not to install |
| 13:38.21 | johnkeates | i'm using it to install |
| 13:38.25 | johnkeates | works fine for me |
| 13:38.41 | johnkeates | debian root on zfs |
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| 13:38.52 | nkuttler | mrdeb: actually, #debian-live for the live image |
| 13:38.55 | mrdeb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:39.05 | abrotman | ... |
| 13:39.10 | marc__ | hi, you should use the netinstall cd, it work fine for me |
| 13:39.28 | mrdeb | thats the smart way to perform updates an d installs on a new system or onees without high speed net access |
| 13:39.44 | mrdeb | thats not what im talking about |
| 13:39.59 | mrdeb | point is, this shows the need for better QA |
| 13:40.12 | johnkeates | you shouldn't abuse it that way |
| 13:40.16 | nkuttler | thank you for volunteering |
| 13:40.23 | johnkeates | use the apt tools for file-based archives instead |
| 13:40.24 | mrdeb | i will do it |
| 13:40.25 | johnkeates | or apt-cdrom |
| 13:40.32 | mrr0butt | the live image installation doesn't allow root login and doesn't add your user to sudoers |
| 13:40.33 | nkuttler | or apt-offline |
| 13:40.34 | mrdeb | i already installed like 10 times |
| 13:40.36 | johnkeates | or whatever it was called |
| 13:40.38 | abrotman | !apt-proxy |
| 13:40.38 | dpkg | apt-proxy is a caching proxy for <apt>. See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/237 for more information. http://apt-proxy.sf.net/ Removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #576821. For alternatives, ask me about <apt-cacher>, <apt-cacher-ng>, <squid deb caching>, <approx>. |
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| 13:40.51 | johnkeates | just because doing it wrong 10 times works a few times doesn't mean it's suddenly not wrong |
| 13:40.54 | abrotman | or apt-zip |
| 13:40.56 | mrdeb | i am doing it right |
| 13:41.10 | mrdeb | and am the one that pointed out the cdrom bug in the live images, so it could be fixed |
| 13:41.10 | johnkeates | not according to debian |
| 13:41.13 | mrdeb | fyi |
| 13:41.14 | johnkeates | yes |
| 13:41.17 | johnkeates | very well |
| 13:41.18 | johnkeates | etc |
| 13:41.27 | johnkeates | but apt-offline anyhow |
| 13:41.33 | nkuttler | ,v apt-zip |
| 13:41.34 | judd | Package: apt-zip on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.18 |
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| 13:41.58 | nkuttler | mrdeb: that you have found a bug doesn't mean you picked the right approach |
| 13:42.12 | abrotman | dead eh? |
| 13:42.13 | mrdeb | sigh |
| 13:42.21 | mrdeb | i mean that i am following hte normal install procs |
| 13:42.31 | mrdeb | like on deb 8.8, expert install |
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| 13:43.19 | johnkeates | i use debootstrap |
| 13:43.23 | johnkeates | that's normal |
| 13:43.31 | mrdeb | ? |
| 13:43.34 | mrdeb | you have a fix? |
| 13:43.37 | johnkeates | i am a fix |
| 13:43.42 | mrdeb | mr fixit |
| 13:43.43 | johnkeates | fixes you |
| 13:43.54 | mrdeb | i am too fixed |
| 13:44.01 | johnkeates | thats quite a fixation ;-) |
| 13:44.19 | johnkeates | anyway, i didn't actually join when you explained your problem, so what is the actual issue? live cd crashing? |
| 13:44.56 | forcerecon | On the debian emails from the security advisory board they are signed but not encrypted.. I would like to add the key to my keyring. Is there a place to download the key |
| 13:45.13 | johnkeates | use the gpg tool and the key id |
| 13:45.14 | johnkeates | i think |
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| 13:46.46 | mrdeb | the problem is that on the live mate cd |
| 13:47.17 | mrdeb | you can now get past the cdrom-not-loading screen, but it stops on the debian archive mirror selection screen with a 'bootstrap can't find release version' fatal error |
| 13:47.19 | mrr0butt | istalled the live image twice cuz first time i thought that i had a typo in the root pass |
| 13:47.44 | mrdeb | also, why are these images over 2gbs in size? is that really necessary |
| 13:47.56 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:48.00 | mrdeb | why |
| 13:48.12 | mrr0butt | offline install |
| 13:48.18 | abrotman | because it's a liveCD that people expect to use |
| 13:48.36 | abrotman | if you want a small installer, use the official netinst to install, like you're supposed to |
| 13:48.37 | mrdeb | i mean, the normal cd is 650 mb abouts |
| 13:48.49 | johnkeates | it's a DVD |
| 13:48.49 | mrdeb | there are live cds for other distros under 1 gb |
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| 13:48.56 | abrotman | so use those distros |
| 13:48.58 | mrdeb | i just dont understand |
| 13:49.02 | johnkeates | we see that |
| 13:49.05 | abrotman | we've noticed |
| 13:49.07 | johnkeates | trolls slightly |
| 13:49.17 | mrr0butt | :D |
| 13:49.17 | mrdeb | so what inflates it |
| 13:49.24 | johnkeates | hot air does |
| 13:49.30 | mrdeb | oh ok |
| 13:49.33 | abrotman | software that people want to use |
| 13:49.37 | mrdeb | that's ingenious |
| 13:49.37 | johnkeates | we can mount it and do ncdu -x on it |
| 13:49.39 | johnkeates | but you can do that too |
| 13:49.47 | abrotman | If you want a smaller installer, use the netinst, like you're supposed to |
| 13:49.49 | johnkeates | it's probably mostly desktop gui software |
| 13:50.00 | abrotman | if fits on a CD like you want |
| 13:50.04 | johnkeates | also, you don't "need" live to do what you want to do |
| 13:50.05 | mrdeb | i need a complete offline solutions with all updates |
| 13:50.09 | abrotman | it's way under 1GB |
| 13:50.10 | johnkeates | you can use CD1 installer as well |
| 13:50.11 | mrdeb | thats where the live cd comes into play |
| 13:50.13 | johnkeates | and execute a shell in there |
| 13:50.27 | johnkeates | you don't need the live CD |
| 13:50.30 | mrdeb | i can also do that on a regular cd, but only one time |
| 13:50.30 | johnkeates | you need the non-netinstaller cd |
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| 13:50.34 | abrotman | mrdeb: so why not download a complete set of images, instead of the (apparently) broken LiveCD |
| 13:50.36 | mrdeb | i know john |
| 13:50.41 | mrdeb | i did that with xfce4 cd one time |
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| 13:50.52 | mrdeb | but for current updates, im not gonna reinstall on a machine each time and take it to another |
| 13:50.56 | introom | apt source linux-source-4.9 doesn't give me 4.9 kernel, instead, it gives 4.11 |
| 13:50.58 | introom | why? |
| 13:51.04 | johnkeates | for update, use apt cdrom |
| 13:51.09 | mrdeb | because cat |
| 13:51.11 | johnkeates | the system has been in place for many years |
| 13:51.18 | abrotman | mrdeb: this is really what apt proxies are for |
| 13:51.29 | mrdeb | i dont need that |
| 13:51.32 | mrdeb | i just update the lists |
| 13:51.34 | johnkeates | traditional install: use CD-ROM and apt's CD-ROM source for updates |
| 13:51.38 | mrdeb | and then the archives --download-only |
| 13:51.38 | abrotman | you instruct one to upgrade, cache the packages, you use it on the other X number of systems |
| 13:51.42 | mrdeb | and copy to usb -- all set |
| 13:51.49 | johnkeates | use the damn APT CD-ROM support! |
| 13:52.00 | mrdeb | i read about that one time and it wasnt good |
| 13:52.02 | johnkeates | or other offline archie support |
| 13:52.05 | johnkeates | it is good |
| 13:52.05 | abrotman | Right, so you've created your own apt-proxy instead of using one that already exists .. but your moethod has bugs .. congrats |
| 13:52.10 | johnkeates | it's been good for 9 years |
| 13:52.21 | mrdeb | no bugs |
| 13:52.26 | johnkeates | there have been many systems in place for non-networked or local-only networked machines |
| 13:52.29 | johnkeates | for years |
| 13:52.31 | johnkeates | use them |
| 13:52.36 | johnkeates | don't reinvent the wheel (badly) |
| 13:52.53 | mrdeb | cp sources.list /etc/apt; cp lists/* /var/lib/apt/lists/; cp archives* /var/cache/apt/archives -- sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -- works every time |
| 13:53.01 | mrdeb | ok? |
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| 13:53.26 | johnkeates | don't do that |
| 13:53.30 | johnkeates | just don't |
| 13:53.33 | johnkeates | nope |
| 13:53.34 | mrdeb | no problems at all |
| 13:53.37 | johnkeates | don't |
| 13:53.39 | mrdeb | why not |
| 13:53.46 | johnkeates | are you apt? |
| 13:54.05 | mrdeb | it is my proprietary way i figured out |
| 13:54.07 | mrdeb | so good |
| 13:54.13 | themill | wonders what this has to do with #debian |
| 13:54.14 | johnkeates | no |
| 13:54.25 | dvs | it's not working |
| 13:54.30 | johnkeates | themill: debian installer + apt+dpkg has a lot to do with #debian |
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| 13:54.48 | themill | doing crazy things that happen to be on a debian box does not |
| 13:54.51 | johnkeates | don't mess with apt's caches and databases |
| 13:55.02 | johnkeates | just because it doesn't *always* break doesn't mean it's not a bad idea |
| 13:55.13 | mrdeb | its a normal process - same thing apt does downloading online |
| 13:55.17 | abrotman | it is not normal |
| 13:55.17 | mrdeb | then i let it do the work |
| 13:55.18 | johnkeates | no it's not |
| 13:55.21 | themill | YHBT |
| 13:55.28 | mrdeb | i have been doing it for year |
| 13:55.29 | mrdeb | years |
| 13:55.30 | abrotman | mrdeb: if your method is normal, and works, why are you here with issues? |
| 13:55.37 | mrdeb | different issues |
| 13:55.44 | johnkeates | just because you do something a lot doesn't mean its wrong |
| 13:55.49 | mrdeb | the live cd has nothing to do with the example i was giving for apt udpating |
| 13:56.03 | johnkeates | if i go outside every day and murder a random person, doesn't mean murder is suddenly ok because it 'works' |
| 13:56.12 | mrdeb | it is ok, if you work for the govt |
| 13:56.19 | johnkeates | no it's not |
| 13:56.28 | contrapunctus | ...is this not trolling? :\ |
| 13:56.33 | johnkeates | i think it might be |
| 13:56.41 | themill | johnkeates, mrdeb: please stop |
| 13:56.42 | contrapunctus | Anyway...if there's a WiFi chip which is *not listed* on the Debian wiki WiFi page...what are the chances it'd be supported? Would it be helpful if I bought a device with it? |
| 13:56.46 | mrdeb | you gave an example and i countered it |
| 13:56.48 | mrdeb | that's all |
| 13:57.00 | mrdeb | anyway, my only thing is to fix the cd rom bootstrap error |
| 13:57.05 | johnkeates | no, you don't know how to use debian, that's all |
| 13:57.16 | mrdeb | of course i do |
| 13:57.19 | mrdeb | look at my name |
| 13:57.28 | johnkeates | contrapunctus: check if the driver supports it, usually a device has a chip and that chip has to be driven |
| 13:57.31 | dvs | !tell contrapunctus about firmware iso |
| 13:58.04 | johnkeates | that too, driver doesn't mean you get the firmware for free, sometimes you need to install the firmware package from non-free |
| 13:58.17 | mrdeb | or from deb dpkg -i |
| 13:58.26 | johnkeates | if you don't know the chip yet, it might be in wikidevi |
| 13:58.28 | mrdeb | i sometimes just keep a realtek firmware deb around |
| 13:58.32 | mrdeb | if the wif doesnt work |
| 13:59.02 | contrapunctus | johnkeates: I meant, would it help in any way towards a freedom-respecting driver being developed for it? |
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| 13:59.15 | johnkeates | it depends on the chip |
| 13:59.23 | johnkeates | also, it's often not the driver but the firmware that is non-free |
| 13:59.41 | johnkeates | and unless you can write RTOS radio firmware it's never going to happen ;-) oh, and all the info's are under NDA |
| 13:59.52 | contrapunctus | o_O crap |
| 14:00.17 | abrotman | contrapunctus: how old is it? |
| 14:00.22 | abrotman | contrapunctus: that page may not be up to date |
| 14:00.23 | johnkeates | i'm not 100% sure, but i believe there are pretty much no 802.11 radio's that are totally 'free' |
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| 14:00.38 | johnkeates | also, we really need to know the chip it uses to help |
| 14:00.54 | abrotman | contrapunctus: if you have the pciid or usbid, that would be a big help |
| 14:01.19 | mrr0butt | ath9k_htc firmware is free |
| 14:01.36 | johnkeates | interesting |
| 14:01.39 | abrotman | I think he meant fully OSS Free |
| 14:01.48 | johnkeates | yes |
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| 14:01.53 | johnkeates | DFSG-free / FOSS-free |
| 14:02.42 | johnkeates | it's probably going to take more work on SDR like with GSM/4G before we can have a real 'free' 802.11 as well |
| 14:02.55 | johnkeates | but osmocom is way ahead vs. 802.11 radio |
| 14:02.57 | contrapunctus | the chips are RTL8723BS, RTL8188CU (there are other RTL8188xx chipsets listed, but not this particular one), AP6335. |
| 14:03.13 | johnkeates | so you need realtek driver+firmware |
| 14:03.15 | contrapunctus | abrotman: I don't have them physically, I'm just consulting what to buy |
| 14:03.23 | abrotman | contrapunctus: /msg dpkg <chipset> |
| 14:03.42 | abrotman | dpkg: you're the best wiki ever .. |
| 14:03.42 | dpkg | abrotman: i haven't a clue |
| 14:05.19 | dvs | heh |
| 14:05.25 | contrapunctus | oooh, rtl8723bs is supported, seems like |
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| 14:05.46 | contrapunctus | I see atleast four files in the repo that look like binaries, though? o_O |
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| 14:07.18 | contrapunctus | johnkeates: wow, holy crap, TIL (osmocom) |
| 14:07.36 | johnkeates | yeah |
| 14:07.38 | johnkeates | it's a beast |
| 14:07.48 | johnkeates | full-foss GSM is here. |
| 14:08.03 | johnkeates | radio firmware, handset, bts etc. |
| 14:08.08 | johnkeates | calling, texting, you name it |
| 14:08.36 | johnkeates | at some point we'll get 4g/5g and then we'll probably see a large influx of private 4g nets in unregulated area |
| 14:08.44 | johnkeates | since it's way easier/faster/more reliable than 802.11 |
| 14:08.56 | contrapunctus | johnkeates: and just the other day I was reading http://www.osnews.com/story/27416/The_second_operating_system_hiding_in_every_mobile_phone and feeling hopeless |
| 14:09.02 | johnkeates | i do wonder when it's going to get big enough that debian gets standard support for this stuf |
| 14:09.17 | johnkeates | yeah, that's the firmware we were talking about |
| 14:09.22 | johnkeates | debian splits them in firmware-* packages |
| 14:09.37 | johnkeates | they are basically a RTOS that sometimes is wired to allow direct ram access |
| 14:09.42 | johnkeates | pretty bad stuff |
| 14:10.16 | johnkeates | it's also why you often only have basic PPP with USB 3g/4g modems or you end up with non-free secret sauce and crazy usbmodeswitch commands |
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| 14:10.49 | contrapunctus | ...been there :( |
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| 14:11.06 | johnkeates | but it's a hard problem to solve, and looking at the things are aren't explicitly specialistic and 'hard' like a desktop OS (which to be fair is still hard), we're only just 'getting there' |
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| 14:11.44 | johnkeates | on the other hand, even if it's not as common as other systems, it's still lightyears ahead in terms of freedom, configurability, choice etc. |
| 14:12.18 | johnkeates | you can install debian and use it in any number of ways, you can do it totally wrong and still have it work (i.e. messing with apt directories) |
| 14:13.04 | veek | why does my fonts change on the firefox/hexchat menus when i change locale: http://storage6.static.itmages.com/i/17/0625/h_1498399913_4820925_a537e4791d.png |
| 14:13.13 | contrapunctus | for the 8188CU - "Non-free firmware is required for all drivers" - https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 14:13.22 | veek | vs http://storage1.static.itmages.com/i/17/0625/h_1498399882_9205019_7939ad6a99.png |
| 14:13.46 | contrapunctus | and dpkg does not know about AP6335 |
| 14:14.17 | veek | the only alteration i do is this line: Firefox su - veek -c 'export LC_ALL=zh_CN.UTF-8; /usr/local/firefox/firefox' |
| 14:14.59 | sine0 | what is the domain someone mentioned hwere you can get your ip address as the only reply for cli checking |
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| 14:15.58 | johnkeates | veek: it's because zh_CN requires a different font to display those characters |
| 14:16.11 | johnkeates | sine0: jsonip? not sure |
| 14:16.18 | themill | veek: are you also changing user there as well as locale? |
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| 14:16.32 | veek | ah the glyphs are different for zh_CN.. themill yes |
| 14:16.36 | johnkeates | the standard font has no zh_CN chars |
| 14:16.55 | johnkeates | and the zn_CN font has 'weird' latin chars :P |
| 14:17.08 | themill | veek: that would mean you're also picking up different configuration for the fonts, potentially |
| 14:17.15 | johnkeates | fonts are like dates and times: incredibly hard to get right for everyone |
| 14:18.16 | veek | johnkeates, is there a way around this? the reason i have that locale line is for fcitx which doesn't popup when i C-space without it |
| 14:18.39 | veek | ä½ å¥½ |
| 14:18.45 | johnkeates | you can make it non-default and only apply it to that program |
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| 14:19.08 | veek | works in hexchat/firefox but without the locale i get nothing |
| 14:19.10 | johnkeates | or you can install a font that has both the glyphs needed by the locale and 'normal' latin chars |
| 14:19.18 | themill | veek: there should be no need to change the locale before starting a program |
| 14:19.29 | johnkeates | it's because input, locales, font etc. are somewhat tied together to work properly |
| 14:19.32 | themill | veek: what's making you want to do this? |
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| 14:19.59 | veek | themill, there's a learn chinese channel and i have QQ? |
| 14:20.22 | johnkeates | themill: fcitx is a program for input methods that are different from generic latin inputs |
| 14:20.25 | veek | so sometimes i go there to chat and it would be convenient to type words |
| 14:20.38 | johnkeates | you can't use it with en_US and related locales |
| 14:20.48 | themill | umm, that's full of frap |
| 14:20.54 | johnkeates | no it's not |
| 14:21.01 | themill | veek: you should be able to switch IME without needing to change locale |
| 14:21.06 | johnkeates | we had chinese expats run into the same issue |
| 14:21.14 | johnkeates | it's not a normal IME |
| 14:21.30 | johnkeates | also, it's badly documented |
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| 14:22.30 | veek | actually i thought a chinese unicode font would support only chinese chars not latin-1 etc |
| 14:22.36 | veek | weird |
| 14:22.47 | themill | fonts can (and often do) cover lots |
| 14:22.49 | johnkeates | no, it works, but they often contain weird latin |
| 14:23.18 | jim | hi, what's the name of the package that has the man pages for the libc function calls (and other things) |
| 14:23.20 | jim | ? |
| 14:23.48 | themill | jim: manpages-dev |
| 14:23.49 | johnkeates | manpages |
| 14:24.04 | jim | thanks |
| 14:24.21 | johnkeates | yeah, the -dev version |
| 14:24.36 | themill | you may also want glibc-doc depending on what you're doing |
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| 14:26.10 | Murda | How can I install packages from stetch if I use jessie, if I add repo for it, and use command apt-get upgrade, it will try to upgrade everything, but I dont want it. |
| 14:26.55 | themill | Murda: that's going to end in tears, best you don't try. What package btw? |
| 14:27.13 | Murda | themill: openjdk-8 |
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| 14:27.32 | themill | !jessie-backports |
| 14:27.32 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
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| 14:28.23 | ajay | #debian |
| 14:28.35 | ajay | Hai i installed stretch |
| 14:28.37 | themill | Murda: ^^ openjdk 8 is in jessie-backprots |
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| 14:28.47 | ajay | but mouse touchpd double click is not working |
| 14:28.50 | Murda | themill: will try |
| 14:28.52 | ajay | is there any way to fix it |
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| 14:37.23 | guerby | hi on an intel NUC after upgrading from jessie to stretch I got "slow sound" when using HDMI output (not with bluetooth headset) |
| 14:37.32 | guerby | I fixed the issue following advice here: https://github.com/raphael/linux-samus/issues/136#issuecomment-223793631 |
| 14:38.02 | guerby | uncommenting *-sample-rate in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf |
| 14:38.17 | dvs | oh pulse, no wonder. |
| 14:38.45 | guerby | I searched on "source.c: Default and alternate sample rates are the same." I got in daemon.log |
| 14:38.48 | guerby | dvs, :) |
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| 14:45.11 | nvz | i edited /etc/init.d/nodm and set the user to user and told it to read /home/user/.xsession yet its still starting x as root and ignoring the user xsession file that currently says to start a terminal and sawfish |
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| 15:25.49 | user_` | Hello, when security.debian.org repo will support https? |
| 15:26.50 | nrs_ | I've got a weird problem with encrypted swap after upgrading to Stretch |
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| 15:27.12 | nrs_ | the system wont initialize my swap partition with a random key on bootup |
| 15:27.38 | nrs_ | it boots without swap entirely |
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| 15:28.03 | nrs_ | any idea what I should check to see how to fix this? |
| 15:28.03 | BluesKaj | hmm, encrypted swap |
| 15:28.56 | sine0 | where can i find the list of items that can be in $cart_item_data |
| 15:29.10 | sine0 | $cart_item_data['this_etc'] |
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| 15:29.38 | BluesKaj | nrs_, make sure swap is on and entered in /etc/fstab |
| 15:29.46 | nrs_ | it's there. |
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| 15:30.28 | BluesKaj | check that it's on with a partitoner |
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| 15:30.56 | nrs_ | partitioner? |
| 15:31.03 | nrs_ | like fdisk? |
| 15:31.20 | nrs_ | the partitions didn't change when I upgraded |
| 15:31.35 | nrs_ | not only that but it's in /etc/fstab and /etc/crypttab |
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| 15:34.01 | BluesKaj | nrs_, like gparted |
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| 15:34.23 | nrs_ | i'm not running this with a UI. It's a server |
| 15:34.38 | jhutchins | BluesKaj: Swap is not in fstab. |
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| 15:35.35 | nrs_ | jhutchins: /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt none swap sw 0 0 |
| 15:35.45 | nrs_ | that's from my /etc/fstab |
| 15:36.06 | nrs_ | sda5 --> sda5_crypt --> swap |
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| 15:37.02 | BluesKaj | jhutchins, it is in mine |
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| 15:43.48 | mns | I installed default-mysql-server (mariadb-server-10.1) and it did not prompt me for the admin password. Is this a separate step ? I was under the impression dpkg qould prompt for that ? |
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| 15:47.59 | jhutchins | BluesKaj: Yeah, mine too, even the older one. Now I've got to go check the boxes at work (different distro). |
| 15:48.18 | jhutchins | Maybe I'm just thinking it doesn't show up in df. |
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| 15:51.38 | BluesKaj | jhutchins, yeah, neither on df or df -h |
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| 15:53.31 | jhutchins | I'll ave to play around a bit, seems that I remember it doesn't have to be in fstab for the system to detect and use it. |
| 15:53.43 | jhutchins | of course, this is without LVM or Crypt. |
| 15:54.43 | BluesKaj | yeah,no crypt here |
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| 16:28.52 | vahe | hi all , nmtui(networkmanager) does not connect after a reboot of the router ,can't find network debian 8 |
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| 16:37.19 | dontknow | intel sky lake or kabby lake hyper threading processors with fatal error, very bad. WARNING: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2017/06/msg00308.html |
| 16:37.32 | dontknow | please read it. it is serious |
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| 16:54.56 | jun_ | pay me. |
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| 16:58.43 | jhutchins | There's a BIOS update for one of the servers I manage, but it only works for RedHat (or Windows). |
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| 16:58.49 | jhutchins | Dell |
| 16:58.49 | jun_ | miniMon will pay eh? |
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| 17:11.45 | vokz_ | hi |
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| 17:48.13 | user1_ | i installed debian stretch and then bluedevil but cannot see a bluetooth applet on my mate desktop. I can run bludevil-wizard from the command line though. what gives? |
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| 17:54.37 | ber532k | bluetoothgrief: Is the applet even running? |
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| 17:55.12 | bluetoothgrief | ber532k, no |
| 17:56.42 | ber532k | For networkmanager you have to run `nm-applet`, though usually it is run by the desktop environment |
| 17:57.23 | ber532k | I don't know about bluetooth thoug, for networkmanager `nm-applet &` should fix it |
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| 17:57.32 | ber532k | might be something similar though |
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| 18:00.42 | bluetoothgrief | ber532k, network manager is running ok and i can see the applet on the top right corner. The problem is the bluetooth applet. I can not see it. are *you* running the mate desktop environment on you computer? |
| 18:00.42 | anon117 | #ubuntu-hu |
| 18:01.02 | anon117 | sry |
| 18:03.17 | gglasses | Hi guys & gals. What is the easiest way to do a booteable USB with Debian 9? |
| 18:03.36 | Brigo | gglasses, download the image and copy it directly to the usb stick |
| 18:03.59 | Brigo | cp debian-image.iso /dev/sdb or what ever the usb is. |
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| 18:04.12 | ber532k | bluetoothgrief: No I'm not. I was just suggesting to look into the binaries owned by the bluetooth-manager, maybe calling one will have it appear in your notifications-area. |
| 18:04.14 | gglasses | Brigo, is that simple? :) |
| 18:04.51 | gglasses | Brigo: I am copying this file debian-live-9.0.1-amd64-gnome.iso |
| 18:04.54 | gglasses | ^^ is that all need? :D |
| 18:05.02 | gglasses | Sorry, I am a newbie *-* |
| 18:05.12 | Brigo | gglasses, yes. Just don't add the number at the end or of /dev/sdb or you will be copying to a partition, no the disk. |
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| 18:06.25 | bluetoothgrief | Brigo, can cp image.iso /dev/sdb *without* mounting the usb stick? |
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| 18:06.40 | ber532k | gglasses: Yes it should be that simple. Iso files ar nothing but virtual disk images, and /dev/sdX are files for disk-images provided by the kernel, so writing one to the other will copy that iso to disk / disk to iso. |
| 18:06.54 | Brigo | bluetoothgrief, right |
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| 18:08.54 | gglasses | Brigo: I did not understand your recommendation about not adding a number to /dev/sdb would you elaborate just a little bit please? sorry to bother you :) |
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| 18:09.49 | Brigo | gglasses, /dev/sdb is a disk /dev/sdb1 is the first partition of that disk. |
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| 18:10.54 | gglasses | Brigo: ahhh! interesting thing to know. Yes, I will be copying things to disk then, no number at the end. Gotcha. :) |
| 18:11.48 | gglasses | I will be installing Debian on a Dell Inspiron 7567, do you know what the support for that model is? Or ir I will run into any issue ? |
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| 18:13.57 | mtn | gglasses: research your video and wifi chips for linux support. you can use the debian wiki for debian issues |
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| 18:15.18 | gglasses | mtn: I am running Fedora right now and they both work fine. Is it safe to assume they will continue to work on a .deb system? :P |
| 18:15.48 | mtn | gglasses: generally yes, but it pays to see check out the debian wiki for any possible surprises |
| 18:16.54 | gglasses | mtn: thank you a lot for that :D I am researching right now |
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| 18:17.03 | mtn | gglasses: welcome |
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| 18:20.34 | mabynogy | was on Fedora before and debian is ok for me gglasses |
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| 18:21.09 | mtn | mabynogy: it all depends on the hardware. some is great, some is harder |
| 18:22.07 | gglasses | mabynogy: were you on a dell inspiron too? :) |
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| 18:22.27 | mabynogy | yes mtn I have only intel stuff might help |
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| 18:22.34 | gglasses | I used Debian before too! I changed to Fedora just to experienced a little. But... I find Debian more suitable for development <3 |
| 18:22.45 | mtn | gglasses: and not all inspirons have the same chips, either |
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| 18:23.32 | gglasses | mtn: yes, and on Debian wiki, InstallingDebianOnDell, there is not my model.. p |
| 18:23.38 | BCMM | gglasses: can you link to the specs for your laptop? |
| 18:23.41 | gglasses | I will try anyway, how can I give feedback later? :) |
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| 18:24.14 | mtn | gglasses: right, don't look up your model, check out the video and wifi chips, instead |
| 18:24.30 | mabynogy | http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/franchise/inspiron-laptops |
| 18:24.31 | gglasses | BCMM: http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/inspiron-15-7567-laptop there you go! Thanks! |
| 18:24.33 | mabynogy | no gglasses |
| 18:25.35 | bluetoothgrief | i installed debian stretch and then bluedevil but cannot see a bluedevil applet on my mate desktop. I can run bludevil-wizard from the command line though. what gives? |
| 18:25.48 | mtn | gglasses: lspci -nn will show your chips |
| 18:25.54 | BCMM | gglasses: hmm, for stuff like the GPU they tell you what they actually put in, but then under wireless they just say "802.11ac +" |
| 18:26.25 | BCMM | gglasses: i.e. unless i'm overlooking something, they don't actually say what wireless card they use |
| 18:26.43 | mtn | why not look at the real data? |
| 18:27.05 | gglasses | Yes, sure. I am doing that right now mtn BCMM |
| 18:27.40 | mtn | gglasses: paste it to http://paste.debian.net |
| 18:28.18 | BCMM | most likely, they have one of those minipci slots and dell either includes different cards in different countries or wants to be able to switch suppliers freely to save money in the future |
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| 18:28.46 | jelly | lspci -nn knows all. Well, most. |
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| 18:29.11 | gglasses | mtn BCMM: https://paste.debian.net/973257/ |
| 18:29.24 | gglasses | ^^ all the info from lspci -nn is there |
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| 18:29.52 | jelly | ah, intel wifi |
| 18:30.05 | mtn | gglasses: read the debian wiki on nvidia |
| 18:30.18 | jelly | judd: pciid 8086:3165 |
| 18:30.19 | judd | [8086:3165] is 'Wireless 3165' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3165 |
| 18:30.21 | mtn | gglasses: and the wifi wiki,too |
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| 18:31.09 | jelly | /lib/modules/4.9.0-3-amd64/modules.alias:alias pci:v00008086d00003165sv*sd00008110bc*sc*i* iwlwifi |
| 18:31.14 | BCMM | ata_generic? oops |
| 18:31.24 | jelly | judd gets confused sometimes |
| 18:31.44 | BCMM | what's the kernel version in Stable? |
| 18:31.44 | MaxLanar | Hi, has anyone installed succesfully debian on a chromebook flip ? In dual boot or instead of chromeos or at least with crouton ? |
| 18:31.50 | BCMM | gglasses: yeah that wireless card should work |
| 18:32.07 | gglasses | BCMM: wohoo :) |
| 18:32.14 | BCMM | gglasses: i believe you'll need firmware-iwlwifi from non-free |
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| 18:32.53 | gglasses | Interesting BCMM |
| 18:32.55 | BCMM | and it should work well as well. the intel stuff that's supported in the mainline kernel is trouble-free |
| 18:32.58 | gglasses | Sigh, a lot that I do not know |
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| 18:33.32 | nvz | how do i get corg in stretch to let me run it as non-root? it used to be a setting in Xwrapper.config that seems to be ignored now by xorg |
| 18:33.40 | nvz | s/corg/xorg/ |
| 18:34.39 | nvz | I'm trying to use nodm to start x as a user automatically and it keeps starting as root |
| 18:34.46 | BCMM | gglasses: that means you might want to use an ethernet cable to install the wifi firmware, since i'm not sure it's in the default install. other than that, you're good |
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| 18:35.28 | gglasses | MCMM: am I good with the nvidia drivers too? I am reading how to install them for Debian 8, but there no doc on Debian 9 |
| 18:35.37 | ber532k | nvz: you have to edit /etc/default/nodm |
| 18:36.01 | ber532k | Include the line: NODM_USER=user |
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| 18:36.35 | nvz | ber532k: ill try that, i had chamged the initscript which has the vars set in it |
| 18:36.46 | BCMM | gglasses: most likely it hasn't changed substantially. wiki just hasn't been updated because Stretch only came out last week |
| 18:37.27 | gglasses | BCMM: thank you a lot :) I will give it a try then, I am half the way on the download |
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| 18:38.11 | BCMM | gglasses: btw for nvidia basically just install nvidia-detect, run it, and do what it says |
| 18:38.38 | jelly | or |
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| 18:38.42 | jelly | !nvidia dkms |
| 18:38.42 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 18:38.55 | BCMM | gglasses: that way you don't have to deal with working out which driver your card uses |
| 18:39.09 | jelly | replacing nvidia-kernel-dkms with a legacy one if need be |
| 18:40.17 | gglasses | Oh, nice, thank you! :D |
| 18:40.39 | gglasses | I am really excited to try Debian again |
| 18:40.45 | gglasses | Let us hope I do not run into any issues :( |
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| 18:42.56 | BCMM | gglasses: btw i assume you want to play high-performance games or something right? otherwise, the open-source nouveau driver (installed by default) works just fine for many workloads |
| 18:43.15 | jelly | when it works, yes |
| 18:43.47 | gglasses | BCMM: yes, I am into all sorts of no good ;) haha |
| 18:43.47 | jelly | when it doesn't crash every 2 days on two different nvidia cards |
| 18:44.08 | jelly | (but do try it, maybe you get lucky) |
| 18:44.26 | gglasses | haha Jelly: you are not giving me a lot of confidence - so, non-free nvidia drivers are best option? |
| 18:44.45 | jelly | gglasses: no, try nouveau first, if it works for you, great |
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| 18:46.49 | gglasses | jelly: if I may ask, what is the advantage? I do really want to know what is going on... nouveau/non-free nvidia drivers |
| 18:47.33 | jelly | gglasses: in my case the advantage is not having X hang every 2 days |
| 18:47.55 | jelly | but enjoying uptimes of 8, even 9 days |
| 18:48.48 | gglasses | oh, that is interesting |
| 18:49.06 | jelly | the advantage of nouveau is free drivers will work better with it, eg. mixing intel gpu and nvidia to get 4-5 outputs |
| 18:49.22 | jelly | and you're allowed to report kernel bugs |
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| 18:50.21 | jelly | and thermal reporting works with lm_sensors and every monitoring widget instead of nvidia-specific tools only |
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| 18:52.49 | gglasses | thank you for all the info jelly :) |
| 18:53.08 | dury | hi there channel :-) |
| 18:53.48 | dury | gessss debian 9.0 already |
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| 18:54.11 | dury | what's the codename? |
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| 18:54.42 | BCMM | dury: Stretch |
| 18:55.11 | BCMM | dury: (it's had a name for a long time you know, when it was the unstable distro) |
| 18:55.37 | BCMM | uh, testing i mean |
| 18:55.39 | mtn | BCMM: stretch was never the unstable branch |
| 18:55.46 | dury | BCMM, I see didn't know that |
| 18:55.54 | BCMM | mtn: yeah i garbled sorry |
| 18:56.26 | dury | so isit already stable |
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| 18:56.55 | BCMM | dury: yeah, debian 9 (Stretch) is the current stable distro, released last week |
| 18:56.56 | dury | I mean is it already stable? |
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| 18:57.11 | dury | all right |
| 18:57.14 | BCMM | dury: i'm just saying that it has had the codename since long before it was stable |
| 18:57.31 | dury | sorry to repeat |
| 18:58.22 | jelly | points at the topic, above |
| 18:58.41 | dury | so jessie has support for how long? |
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| 18:59.15 | jelly | one year from now normal support. LTS likely for the remainder of the 5 year life |
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| 19:00.14 | dury | jelly, how do I know if mine is LTS or not? |
| 19:00.17 | dontknow | one year from now? isn't it 3 years? |
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| 19:01.42 | jelly | dontknow: one year from when it becomes oldstable |
| 19:01.50 | dontknow | ah |
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| 19:02.34 | jelly | dury: it will automatically become LTS if you do not upgrade in a year |
| 19:02.57 | jelly | by then some packages will lose security support |
| 19:03.01 | jelly | !lts |
| 19:03.01 | dpkg | Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <wheezy-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:03.11 | dury | jelly, right I see |
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| 19:05.56 | dury | !lts |
| 19:05.56 | dpkg | Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <wheezy-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 19:07.37 | dury | bbl |
| 19:08.07 | dury | thanks for support :-) |
| 19:08.16 | dury | (y) |
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| 19:22.03 | nvz | ok now nodm is failing to start saying permission denied to /home/user/.xsession when it is -rw-r--r-- 1 user user 23 Jun 25 10:36 .xsession |
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| 19:22.53 | nvz | which has me thouroghly confused |
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| 19:23.04 | nvz | thoroughly even |
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| 19:23.46 | nvz | double checks for spelling errors after that |
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| 19:24.52 | nvz | O.o |
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| 19:27.40 | nvz | well wtf.. heh. i changed it to /etc/X11/Xsession and it works |
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| 19:28.46 | nvz | there is no way that file wasnt readable it is readable by anyone as is proof by the fact that its now starting the apps listed in it |
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| 19:39.28 | osman | hi |
| 19:39.39 | osman | which version of debian based distro is the most stable ? |
| 19:39.49 | mtn | osman: debian |
| 19:40.15 | osman | i'm using voyager right now |
| 19:40.33 | osman | i tried many distros from linux watch. but debian couldn't recognize my drivers so i got problems :( |
| 19:40.34 | mtn | osman: not supported here |
| 19:40.47 | osman | yeah i know ofc only debian is here ^^ |
| 19:40.55 | n4dir | besides that there are so many of debian-based distros, that you will hardly find someone being able to compare all of them. |
| 19:41.10 | osman | so you mean just pure debian is the most stable am i right ? |
| 19:42.14 | osman | can i make this in debian ? please answer http://imgur.com/a/cDCaA |
| 19:42.54 | osman | i just need this dock. conky and upper window and i don't know how to fix or edit theese like that |
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| 19:45.34 | osman | any answers please.. ? |
| 19:45.41 | osman | can i make debian like this http://imgur.com/a/cDCaA ? |
| 19:45.45 | n4dir | conky probably has a config file, either in the users home or in /etc or somewhere else (/usr/share). Just try to copy the file |
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| 19:45.58 | n4dir | I don't know the dock. cairo or such? |
| 19:45.58 | osman | yeah... |
| 19:46.07 | osman | how can i know the dock name ? |
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| 19:46.12 | osman | from processess ? |
| 19:46.18 | n4dir | that's would i would do. |
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| 19:46.57 | osman | i couldn't find it |
| 19:47.04 | osman | how can i know what is my dock |
| 19:47.12 | osman | i can copy the conky codes i got it ! |
| 19:47.22 | n4dir | whew. good. |
| 19:47.26 | osman | i would like to use debian but it's ugly |
| 19:47.28 | osman | out of box |
| 19:47.33 | osman | am i'm not pro :( |
| 19:47.43 | n4dir | why not stick to voyager ? |
| 19:48.33 | n4dir | if it works well for you, of course. |
| 19:48.37 | osman | it looks beautiful |
| 19:48.46 | osman | i love voyager so much i tried deepin |
| 19:48.57 | osman | it's debian based distro but sucks |
| 19:49.07 | osman | oh voyager has also debian based versiyon |
| 19:49.13 | osman | i'm using xubuntu version |
| 19:49.26 | osman | should i use voyager debian v9 version or just pure debian ? |
| 19:49.59 | n4dir | hmmm ... is it possible the dock is simply the xfce4-panel ? Right click and check. |
| 19:50.11 | osman | yeah |
| 19:50.13 | osman | xface4-panel |
| 19:50.17 | osman | i saw it on task manager |
| 19:50.17 | n4dir | ok. |
| 19:50.21 | osman | xface4-panel and conky |
| 19:50.27 | osman | can i make it in debian ? |
| 19:51.08 | n4dir | you (probably) can install debian and make it look similar, or at least better than it looks out of box. You can't convert a distro to debian that easily |
| 19:51.28 | osman | really !! |
| 19:51.36 | osman | i love u |
| 19:51.49 | osman | man help me pls. what is your e-mail ? |
| 19:51.51 | osman | mine is bustyrulez@gmail.com |
| 19:52.07 | osman | i'm not so newbie but not so pro |
| 19:52.24 | n4dir | either ask here or in a debian forum (forums.debian.net) |
| 19:52.27 | osman | i can understan terminal codes and i know what i have to do if you tell me :p |
| 19:52.36 | osman | but i can't find u maybe :-(( |
| 19:52.52 | BluesKaj | osman, publishing your email in here is inviting trouble..you should have pm'd him |
| 19:53.01 | osman | ohh sorry :( |
| 19:53.09 | n4dir | find the according config files in the users home /home/username, copy them. Might be you also have to install according packages like icons and such |
| 19:53.22 | osman | hmm really |
| 19:53.29 | osman | will it work ? O.o |
| 19:53.49 | BluesKaj | osman, man i mean email spams |
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| 19:54.06 | osman | i understand BluesKaj sorry pardon me :( |
| 19:54.22 | osman | can you make fullscreen firefox in debian ? i just want intellihide dock and top |
| 19:54.33 | BluesKaj | don't be sorry, just be careful next time |
| 19:54.53 | n4dir | iirc in xfce you can right-click and configure how the panel(s) behave. |
| 19:54.59 | osman | yeah yeah okay |
| 19:55.07 | osman | in debian can i control panel ? |
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| 19:56.12 | n4dir | osman: it has not really something to do with the linux-distribution, but with the Desktop-Environment or WindowManager (or in this case: the panel) you use |
| 19:56.33 | osman | yuppey |
| 19:56.40 | osman | so last question i dont want bother you guys |
| 19:56.53 | n4dir | for example you could use xfce but not the xfce-panel but a different one (for whatever reason is beyond me, but it is possible) |
| 19:56.55 | osman | should i install voyager debian version. or just debian. is there any stable differencies ? |
| 19:57.19 | osman | oohhh i see. if i'm using kde version but i could install gnome softwares too |
| 19:57.19 | osman | ? |
| 19:57.29 | n4dir | i for one don't know, as i don't know voyager, but debian itself seems like a safe bet, regarding stability |
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| 19:57.51 | n4dir | osman: you can. the question is rather if it makes sense. |
| 19:57.56 | osman | i jst wonder if any distro mean based debian. it isn't debian actually ? |
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| 19:58.47 | mint | hi |
| 19:59.12 | osman | i will try to go with pure debian. if i can't make it :( but i believe myself i will make it. |
| 19:59.17 | osman | thanks for your help everone |
| 19:59.21 | osman | have a nice nights |
| 19:59.25 | mint | why command ifconfig dont work in my debian 9? |
| 19:59.33 | n4dir | osman: the default answer is that a distro based on debian made changes debian folks know nothing about. So we can't say much about it. |
| 19:59.39 | mabynogy | I would prefer a genuine debian over something like ubuntu I don't see the point |
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| 20:00.40 | mint | whats packet work with Intelbras WBN 240? |
| 20:00.43 | osman | i see |
| 20:00.44 | mint | I need wireless |
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| 20:14.39 | ShiroNeko | hi, I've upgraded from jessie to stretch today. everythi is fine so far, but xrdp. if i try to connect i get "some error" via any-vnc and a blank screen if i use xorg |
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| 20:15.48 | ShiroNeko | how should i setup xrdp on stretch? |
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| 20:17.25 | Delf | What happened to this? https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/webboot/ |
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| 20:17.46 | remo1 | libmysqlclient.so.18 where can I fined this library in stretch ? |
| 20:19.40 | kneekoo | hey, everyone! I updated my microcode using Intel's .tgz with echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/microcode/reload |
| 20:19.50 | kneekoo | but after I rebooted, the old microcode seems to be back |
| 20:20.00 | kneekoo | how can I make it permanent? |
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| 20:25.36 | kneekoo | brb |
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| 20:28.00 | rrooij | Hello, I have a question regarding packaging a Python application for Debian users. Can I ask my question here? |
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| 20:28.48 | ewew | Hi. Does anyone know if there is a replacement for certtool on debian ? |
| 20:30.02 | nvz | most my used memory right now is at-spi, gvfsd,and udiskd stuff i think i can manage getting rid of the first two but how do i lose udiskd? |
| 20:30.07 | likcoras | ewew: certtol, the gnutls utility? |
| 20:30.11 | ewew | yes. |
| 20:30.21 | likcoras | gnutls-bin has it. you could also probably use openssl too. |
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| 20:30.35 | ewew | is openssl a good replacement ? |
| 20:31.11 | likcoras | Not an expert, you'd probably have to look around a bit more, but I do see openssl being recommended more often than gnutls. |
| 20:31.40 | ewew | just to get options right. i need this for rsyslog. |
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| 20:32.21 | ewew | if it uses normal cert then it really does not matter where its created ? |
| 20:33.02 | likcoras | Eh, yeah, it probably wouldn't matter. |
| 20:33.15 | likcoras | I personally find certtool easier to use, though. |
| 20:33.29 | likcoras | No idea security-wise, though. |
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| 20:35.32 | ShiroNeko | Im having the following issue export LOGNAME=$USER |
| 20:35.56 | ShiroNeko | (1832)(140340597431104)[DEBUG] Closed socket 23 (AF_UNIX) |
| 20:36.04 | ShiroNeko | xrdp is having just a blue screen |
| 20:37.34 | AlexLikeRock | help |
| 20:37.35 | AlexLikeRock | . |
| 20:37.40 | AlexLikeRock | W: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org/debian etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B NO_PUBKEY B5D0C804ADB11277 |
| 20:37.40 | AlexLikeRock | E: The repository 'http://archive.debian.org/debian etch Release' is not signed. |
| 20:37.45 | AlexLikeRock | . |
| 20:39.07 | teraflops | AlexLikeRock: tried apt-get install debian-archive-keyring ? |
| 20:39.20 | AlexLikeRock | tanks |
| 20:39.39 | AlexLikeRock | i realy do, by manual download |
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| 20:40.27 | AlexLikeRock | fall again |
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| 20:40.31 | AlexLikeRock | E: The repository 'http://archive.debian.org/debian etch Release' is not signed. |
| 20:41.12 | teraflops | you have to apt-get update after installing debian-archive-keyring |
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| 20:47.23 | kneekoo | again, I tried to re-apply the microcode and it gets updated, but after reboot it reverts to the old version (0x9e): https://s26.postimg.org/hbrgr0d2h/microcode-update.png |
| 20:47.52 | tw | If I am running an amd64 kernel with an i386 userspace and I dpkg --add-architecture amd64, is it going to reinstall all of my packages as amd64? |
| 20:47.56 | AlexLikeRock | i did teraflops |
| 20:48.14 | AlexLikeRock | haaa. wait |
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| 20:50.18 | velix | On my DELL server, bnx2 firmware is missing. Do I need it for working network ? |
| 20:50.18 | teraflops | waits |
| 20:51.25 | velix | Anyone with an idea? You don't need to explain anything. |
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| 20:52.10 | GNU\colossus | velix, is that broadcom ethernet? |
| 20:52.18 | velix | GNU\colossus: yes |
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| 20:52.54 | GNU\colossus | if so, you're probably gonna be fine without it - never have a bcm ethernet adapter actually _require_ firmware to work (i. e. get a link up) |
| 20:53.15 | velix | GNU\colossus: I see. Then I don't have a clue, why I can't connect to the network. |
| 20:53.23 | AlexLikeRock | teraflops, still faling |
| 20:53.24 | velix | Let me try to install it. Perhaps it works then. |
| 20:53.36 | Tewi | Hi, how can I ask for a Apache fix backported to be included in the current version of the Debian package ? (if it's even possile). I know which revision it is in Apache SVN, and I know which package need to be changed. |
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| 21:12.03 | TomG2 | tw, no, i don't think so |
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| 21:12.33 | TomG2 | tw, check https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 21:14.18 | Voldenet | dontknow: it's nice to know about that, but it's very impactful, I'm successfully using skylake for a few years now and I have never seen anything odd |
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| 21:35.02 | dvs | Ah! Finally finished upgraded all the computers to stretch. |
| 21:35.37 | gglasses | Hey! I am trying to copy a debian .iso image to a usb, this is the command I am using: cp debian-live-9.0.1-amd64-gnome.iso /dev/sdb -> but it gives me permission errors. Should I try it as a root user? |
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| 21:36.27 | dvs | gglasses, a) you should do that as root and b) type "sync" afterwards. |
| 21:36.48 | ewew | Does anyone use relp rsyslog with ssl certs ? |
| 21:37.13 | gglasses | dvs: oh, it asks me if I want to overwrite /deb/sdb |
| 21:37.16 | gglasses | thank you |
| 21:37.25 | dvs | np |
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| 21:41.44 | gglasses | it took a while dvs but it seems ok now :D ok, I am going to go boot to it and see what happens. :D |
| 21:41.48 | gglasses | See you guys from Debian ;) |
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| 22:01.04 | velix | I finally did it !!! |
| 22:01.14 | velix | The Poweredge needs non-free firmware. |
| 22:01.15 | dvs | you rode a bike? |
| 22:01.18 | velix | Otherwise: no network. |
| 22:01.34 | velix | I've never seen that before. Normally it works even without drivers. |
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| 22:04.08 | user_` | how i can debug a hexchat segfault reason? |
| 22:04.24 | user_` | when i join some specific network (belongs to me) it just segfaults, even when there is no motd |
| 22:04.36 | user_` | with and without ssl |
| 22:04.44 | user_` | no problem on other networks including freenode |
| 22:05.12 | mrr0butt | velix, there are non-free images with all the non-free firmware |
| 22:05.13 | mrr0butt | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.0.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 22:05.27 | velix | mrr0butt: yeah, I know ;) |
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| 22:05.33 | velix | mrr0butt: but I never htought I would need it |
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| 22:11.04 | maxxe | user`, change client :) |
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| 22:24.09 | jasonwc | I installed the KDE task using tasksel. However, when I remove the task none of the packages it installed, which are marked as "automatic" are removed. Running apt-get autoremove shows no packages to remove. |
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| 22:27.24 | jasonwc | jasonwc, When I removed the tasksel package, only a handful of packages were removed of the 600+ it initially installed. This is obvious from the logs. https://pastebin.com/9ndy7ju0 |
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| 22:28.41 | simp_ | jasonwc, i'm not sure, but give autoclean a shot |
| 22:28.59 | simp_ | although, i think that only removes files |
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| 22:33.31 | maher | systemctl is-system-running says starting - so i assume something didn't start up properly - how do i find out exactly what? |
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| 22:33.49 | jasonwc | simp_, My understanding is that apt-get autoremove should get rid of packages that were installed as a dependency of a manually installed package that has since been removed |
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| 22:41.37 | velix | Stretch makes MANY problems on servers :( |
| 22:41.56 | velix | After setting it up, my PowerEdge hangs in a loop, since Debian thinks, I've got a Radeon chipset. |
| 22:42.05 | velix | It's an ATI 1000 something. Pre-Radeon, I think. |
| 22:42.36 | velix | ATI ES1000 |
| 22:42.42 | Brigo | velix, you have a server running X or what? |
| 22:42.55 | velix | Brigo: don't ask me why. I've choosen standard system utilities. |
| 22:43.08 | velix | Brigo: Never done that before, but didn't think this will install X. |
| 22:43.43 | velix | yep... damn, have to reinstall debian :( |
| 22:43.52 | velix | I'm feeling like Windows 95. |
| 22:43.55 | velix | :D |
| 22:44.14 | Brigo | velix, you can just remove X packages and dependencies. |
| 22:44.14 | velix | Can I use GRUB to stop X ? |
| 22:44.19 | velix | Brigo: I can't go in. |
| 22:44.25 | velix | It stops after 5 seconds ina boot loop. |
| 22:44.25 | Brigo | rescue mode |
| 22:44.42 | velix | Brigo: I've never worked in rescude mode. Damn it takes MINUTES to load the RAID controller. |
| 22:44.59 | velix | let me try vga=normal" |
| 22:45.09 | Brigo | velix, it shouldn't. It the same boot secuence but shorter. |
| 22:45.38 | velix | great. I can't escape the boot loop. |
| 22:45.52 | velix | Powerdown by button isn't supported on servers :( |
| 22:46.18 | Brigo | velix, try init=/bin/bash |
| 22:46.38 | velix | ok... rebooting ... hope this won't kill my disks. |
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| 22:47.30 | velix | have to file this as a bug |
| 22:47.36 | velix | Veeery bad bug. |
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| 22:48.44 | user_` | lol, standard system utilities areen't supposed to install X Oo wtf... was just about to install stretch on my poweredge too lol |
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| 22:49.44 | jasonwc | standard system utilities does not include X... |
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| 22:50.12 | jasonwc | velix, If you run sudo tasksel, does it show Debian Desktop environment? |
| 22:50.17 | tx | I bet ya just accidentally had it ticked. |
| 22:50.21 | jasonwc | or any sub options |
| 22:50.29 | user_` | it appears that velix has installed standard system utilities and it installed X server |
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| 22:50.58 | jasonwc | And he verified the issue isn't user error? |
| 22:51.20 | jasonwc | Worst case you can do a minimal install with debootstrap and go from there |
| 22:51.31 | jasonwc | though, I haven't had this issue |
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| 22:53.00 | dodo | Hello, I have installed Stretch and I'm trying to install 'roundcube'. mariaDB was needed and installed. No password was asked for the administrative user in the DB. When installing roundcube, is asking me for the administrative password. I'm using an empty password but it fails. what should I do? |
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| 22:54.10 | TomG2 | dodo, dunno, you can try dpkg-reconfigure mariadb (or whatever the correct package name is) to see if it'll ask for a password |
| 22:55.22 | velix | jasonwc: But it installed GNOME etc. |
| 22:55.33 | velix | user_`: yep... I select standard system utilies and SSH server. |
| 22:55.38 | velix | it even installed apache2 ! |
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| 22:56.38 | user_` | wtf |
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| 22:57.06 | tx | Yeahh... |
| 22:57.12 | tx | Try and reproduce that. |
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| 22:59.36 | jasonwc | Well, I think I found a bug in tasksel. If I install a package (or meta package) with apt-get and then remove said package, apt-get asks me if I want to remove all the packages that were installed automatically as dependencies. apt-get autoremove does the job. If I install a task with tasksel, although it marks all dependencies as automatic, it doesn't add the packages to the autoremove list. |
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| 23:04.48 | velix | VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] ES1000 (rev 02) |
| 23:04.54 | velix | Why does Debian detect this as Radeon? |
| 23:05.56 | velix | Oh, all my friends are gone: apt-get install cfdisk sfdisk |
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| 23:06.34 | velix | Is it all about parted in Stretch ? |
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| 23:07.59 | maher | velix: they shoudl be in util-linux |
| 23:08.40 | velix | maher: hehe, really? tasksel installed ALL but util-linux? :) |
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| 23:09.14 | velix | maher: oh, they've already been installed :) |
| 23:09.16 | velix | I'm quiet now. |
| 23:10.45 | velix | Shall I use GPT on a non-boot SSD, which is 120 GB only ? |
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| 23:20.14 | velix | Wow, that's nice for a 10-year-old server: https://bpaste.net/show/833197dea9ff |
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| 23:35.45 | Slote | Hello guy's :) |
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| 23:47.01 | FunkyBob | morning |
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| 23:47.23 | FunkyBob | after an update this morning [mixed stable/testing] Rhythmbox now tells me I'm missing a gstreamer plugin |
| 23:47.42 | FunkyBob | am not sure why, or how to figure out which it is? |
| 23:48.10 | FunkyBob | ah |
| 23:48.10 | FunkyBob | Rhythmbox-Message: Missing plugin: gstreamer|1.0|rhythmbox|MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3) decoder|decoder-audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1, mpegaudioversion=(int)1, layer=(int)3 |
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| 23:52.14 | FunkyBob | fixed |
| 23:52.29 | FunkyBob | added gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3 ... no idea why things changed |
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