| 00:00.13 | dka | seriously. What are the reasons why a bash script could not execute the same command than the host |
| 00:00.21 | dka | I see the tab character |
| 00:00.23 | jelly | dka, I'd probably use ssh-keyscan to generate/append .ssh/known_hosts instead of disabling features |
| 00:00.31 | negatratoron | E: Unable to locate package nvidia-driver |
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| 00:01.04 | jelly | dka, I've never used "StrictHostKeyChecking no" so I'm not aware of all the gotchas |
| 00:01.07 | negatratoron | just installed debian |
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| 00:01.22 | jelly | dpkg, tell negatratoron about non-free sources |
| 00:01.28 | jelly | dpkg, tell negatratoron about nvidia dkms |
| 00:01.52 | negatratoron | oh okay, non-free sources |
| 00:01.59 | jelly | negatratoron, read the recipes dpkg bot sent you in private messages carefully |
| 00:02.14 | negatratoron | jelly: okay, thanks |
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| 00:16.41 | dka | thanks again jelly for pointing me in the right direction |
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| 00:25.37 | qmr | How do I scroll down in the installer text window thing? |
| 00:25.51 | qmr | the checkboxes for this option don't fit on screen |
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| 00:27.18 | qmr | 'Configure the package manager' bit |
| 00:27.29 | qmr | oh nevermind it's on next page. confusing |
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| 01:22.51 | qmr | why do my interfaces not have systemd deterministic names? |
| 01:24.00 | bezaban | good question |
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| 01:25.54 | piklu | Hi |
| 01:25.59 | piklu | I just want to enable KVM device |
| 01:26.07 | piklu | not install qemu-kvm or libvirt |
| 01:26.10 | piklu | what shall I do ? |
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| 01:28.25 | bezaban | piklu: what do you want to accomplish? What do you want to use a kvm 'device' for if you're not virtualizing? |
| 01:28.28 | bezaban | !ask |
| 01:28.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:28.58 | piklu | I am trying ranchervm, it allows kvm on docker and just requires a kvm device |
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| 01:29.00 | bezaban | wrong factoid |
| 01:29.07 | bezaban | aaah. rancher. |
| 01:29.17 | piklu | @bezaban https://github.com/rancher/vm |
| 01:29.27 | bezaban | I would think that requires libvirt |
| 01:29.49 | piklu | it says it should not |
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| 01:30.34 | bezaban | piklu: where? |
| 01:30.41 | piklu | on the github readme |
| 01:31.32 | bezaban | piklu: I can't see any references to 'doesn't require libvirt' in that README.md |
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| 01:31.57 | piklu | We do not need any user space tools like qemu-kvm or libvirt. |
| 01:31.59 | bezaban | oh, now I do |
| 01:32.01 | bezaban | yeah |
| 01:32.11 | piklu | but it would need libvirt-daemon-system? |
| 01:32.15 | bezaban | might be debian dependencies then |
| 01:32.38 | bezaban | do you have a kvm kernel? |
| 01:32.48 | piklu | I have just debian installed on a dedi |
| 01:32.50 | bezaban | or mod |
| 01:32.56 | piklu | installed this daemon system now and rebooted |
| 01:33.54 | bezaban | is installing qemu or libvirt a problem? |
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| 01:34.20 | piklu | no. just don't want to add things not required |
| 01:34.31 | bezaban | good attitude :) |
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| 01:35.15 | bezaban | you could always statically install it, but harder to maintain |
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| 01:36.13 | bezaban | but only barely looked at rancher, a friend wants me to join his 'cluster' |
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| 02:02.03 | paqcito | Hey guys. Anyone in here? I'd like to talk a little bit about virtualization, if anyone is willing to, I'd appreciate it. Basically, I'm a newbie about it, I'm recently understand it benefits of it. I'm looking forward be a SysAdmin, I've been doing pretty well, actually. Do you think Virtualization is that importat on the Linux SysAdmin side? Where should I start? Thanks. |
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| 02:04.06 | bezaban | paqcito: this is not the right place, but virtualization is good for utilization of hardware resources and managebility. However that is a somewhat expiring paradigm, it's more about containers and unikernels now |
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| 02:05.58 | paqcito | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:07.02 | bezaban | paqcito: yes and no, vms will live for a long time over bare metal, but many serious contenders are adapting the benefits of containerizing |
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| 02:07.42 | bezaban | it's a new paradigm, immutable building blocks that are replaced on demand |
| 02:08.09 | paqcito | bezaban: are you a sysadmin> |
| 02:08.10 | paqcito | ? |
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| 02:09.35 | bezaban | paqcito: I am between jobs, but I've been in operations and moving to cloud |
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| 02:10.51 | bezaban | whatever that means :P |
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| 02:11.05 | paqcito | bezaban: Were you working with virtualization pointly? |
| 02:11.41 | bezaban | paqcito: out of many things yes, but professionaly mostly ESXI, kvm, xen privately |
| 02:12.05 | bezaban | (kvm, xen privately) |
| 02:12.24 | paqcito | bezaban: Did you recommend me any good book to learn virtualization? |
| 02:12.45 | bezaban | paqcito: no, not really. Decide on a hypervisor then start using it |
| 02:13.05 | bezaban | esxi/xen/kvm/hyperv |
| 02:13.33 | paqcito | bezaban: I'll try it. I'm just a little bit confused since I'm a newbie which use to start learning. |
| 02:14.12 | bezaban | paqcito: for me I learn by doing. I'm thinking a 'general guide' to virt might be a bit general. |
| 02:14.31 | paqcito | bezaban: thanks! |
| 02:14.32 | bezaban | select a tech and go with it |
| 02:14.37 | bezaban | paqcito: good luck :) |
| 02:15.14 | bezaban | concepts should be ok described online |
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| 03:09.57 | bnw | Is it possible to just copy files from a Debian installation iso to a FAT32 partition on a USB stick and use it as installation media? |
| 03:10.55 | bnw | I mounted the iso, and then copy files to the FAT32 partition, and found soft link can not be create on FAT32 partition |
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| 03:14.00 | pacha | bnw: are you trying to make a booteable USB stick? |
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| 03:14.27 | bnw | pacha, Yep |
| 03:14.38 | pacha | bnw: try with unetbootin |
| 03:14.42 | brimonk | Anyone have any experience installing the nvidia cuda toolkit on debian? |
| 03:14.56 | bnw | And I want a UEFI mode bootable USB stick |
| 03:15.26 | bnw | pacha, thank you. I will give that a try |
| 03:15.52 | pacha | bnw: also you can use `dd if=debian-image.iso of=/dev/sdX && sync`, thats what I usually use |
| 03:15.57 | bnw | I thought simply copying files from an installation iso to a FAT32 would do. |
| 03:16.06 | dvs | pacha, don't need sync with dd |
| 03:16.26 | bnw | pacha, that's what I usually do too. |
| 03:16.30 | pacha | bnw: that wont make it booteable, that is why the .iso is an image |
| 03:16.46 | bnw | k |
| 03:17.03 | pacha | dvs: you are right |
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| 03:22.40 | bnw | pacha, actually I just put the USB stick I had copied files onto on a new PC and found it booted to installation interface. Just not sure if there will be any integrity problem |
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| 03:25.46 | pacha | bnw: if everything copied correctly you probably wont have any kind of trouble, the thing is that if you grab a bunch of files that "could" be booteable the BIOS/UEFI or whatever you are loading the USB from needs to know what files to load, it is called a boot sector |
| 03:26.35 | pacha | usually it is the first bytes of the media you are booting from, in your case if you check the iso (which is an image), the first bytes will have the booteable part which launches the installation interface |
| 03:27.32 | pacha | just copy/pasting directories and files from a directory to a clean usb stick probably wont make it, although I am now pretty knowledgeable about these things |
| 03:27.45 | pacha | s/now/not |
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| 03:29.03 | bnw | Maybe it's the new capability of the Debian 9 iso |
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| 03:31.19 | bnw | I did turn on "boot esp" flag for the FAT32 partition after partition creation |
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| 03:57.38 | HappyHorny88 | hey |
| 03:58.14 | HappyHorny88 | anyone ? |
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| 04:00.48 | wfio | Hola - sorry to be a pest but are ya'll sure the CD-ROM error was solved in 9.0.1? I've tried netinstall, full DVD, etc and none of them work. They are all presenting the same error. |
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| 04:01.33 | wfio | It actually gets beyond the CD-ROM fail to the point where it starts to install system files. Then around 24% it crashes. Consistently. |
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| 04:02.22 | wfio | This behavior happens in VirtualBox VMs and attempting to install via USB as a local OS. USB written via dd, Etcher, cat, and even just as a FAT32 with the ISO copied to it. |
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| 04:56.36 | beginner123 | test |
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| 05:08.20 | graff | where can i download the src versions for dash |
| 05:08.23 | graff | https://packages.debian.org/sid/dash |
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| 05:45.10 | arktvrvs | hi, quick question. debian stable (lxde if it matters). ive built a couple programs and pcmanfm (or something else?) thinks its a shared library, and thus i have to run it via command line or altf2. advice? |
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| 06:34.30 | mika` | i want it to just do this at start up. shouldn't have to type it in... |
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| 06:52.13 | mika` | 1605 people and no one knows? |
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| 06:56.19 | fasdfd | Is there a way to use firefox built against gtk3 in debian? Will this be the default in future? How far future? |
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| 06:57.49 | Galihom | mika`: I think that you can add the module 's name into /etc/modules. Not sure |
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| 07:08.24 | codebam | fasdfd: you can probably use apt source and compile it against gtk3 |
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| 07:11.17 | fasdfd | codebam, what if compiling is not an option? |
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| 07:17.22 | codebam | fasdfd: I don't believe there is a binary package for firefox-gtk3 in the repos (if it's not already gtk3?), so you could look for it somewhere else on the internet, or deal with not having the gtk3 version |
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| 07:46.54 | nikitasius | hi folks! can someone help with tails installation via copy on usb? (#tails looks dead here) |
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| 07:50.44 | codebam | nikitasius: https://tails.boum.org/doc/index.en.html |
| 07:51.29 | codebam | use rufus on windows, use dd on *nix |
| 07:51.51 | nikitasius | codebam: yep, i will try dd now :) |
| 07:52.20 | nikitasius | copypaste doesnt work with this iso, even with boot flags and linux or dos mbr via ms-sys |
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| 07:52.35 | nikitasius | (unpacked copypaste, sure) |
| 07:53.23 | codebam | yeah for that to work you'd need to install a bootloader on the drive and configure it to find the files properly, it's much easier to just dd the image |
| 07:54.19 | codebam | if you want it to be a persistant usb, you could launch the iso in a virtual machine and use the tool inside tails to make a usb with persistant data |
| 07:55.16 | nikitasius | codebam: thanks. guess, i need only `dd` it, cause i have 2nd usb with data. And i need to run a laptop, work and keep it clean. |
| 07:55.20 | nikitasius | thanks for advices! |
| 07:55.35 | codebam | no problem :) |
| 07:56.06 | nikitasius | codebam: `dd` work as charm, tails too :D |
| 07:56.16 | codebam | glad to hear it |
| 07:57.00 | nikitasius | thats crap what they cant made normal iso. most of iso you can copy on fat32/ntfs, setup bootflag. For some of them: setup MBR. |
| 07:57.06 | nikitasius | but tails fails :) |
| 07:57.30 | codebam | actually it's a standard to dd iso images |
| 07:57.54 | nikitasius | codebam: yep, but if i need to modify it.. (i need to google this moment) |
| 07:58.11 | nikitasius | before just unpack, add your soft and copy on stick |
| 07:58.22 | deepy\lettuce | dd, then modify? |
| 07:58.33 | codebam | yeah mount it and modify it |
| 07:58.37 | nikitasius | lol |
| 07:58.46 | nikitasius | i need moar coffee! morning is hard! |
| 07:59.05 | nikitasius | thanks :D |
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| 08:00.13 | nikitasius | well.. old eeepc work sloow under this. |
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| 08:00.53 | Hyp3ri0n | .gm |
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| 08:05.12 | celyr | apt changelog is not working https://paste.debian.net/973850/ |
| 08:05.13 | apt | ...but changelog is already something else... |
| 08:05.22 | celyr | am I misssing something ? |
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| 08:07.18 | celyr | also changelog on website is not working http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/l/linux/linux_4.9.30-2+deb9u2_changelog |
| 08:07.26 | celyr | How am I supposed to update, blindly |
| 08:07.27 | celyr | come on |
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| 08:10.22 | codebam | http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/l/linux/linux_4.9.30-2~bpo8+1_changelog |
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| 08:10.35 | codebam | celyr |
| 08:10.58 | codebam | or... |
| 08:11.00 | celyr | that's not the changelog I'm looking for ? |
| 08:11.06 | codebam | my bad sorry |
| 08:11.15 | celyr | np |
| 08:11.19 | celyr | thanks for help |
| 08:11.39 | celyr | I would really like that debian guys solve this changelog mess that is going on for a while now |
| 08:11.41 | codebam | is it one of them in this folder? http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/l/linux/ |
| 08:11.55 | codebam | maybe linux_4.9.30-2_changelog? |
| 08:12.00 | celyr | no |
| 08:12.21 | Shadur | Are you using apt-listchanges ? |
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| 08:19.16 | celyr | Shadur, actually |
| 08:21.44 | celyr | Shadur, ok I've read about it, I can use it but I want to use it before installing the packages |
| 08:22.21 | codebam | celyr: download the deb and run apt-listchanges on it? |
| 08:22.33 | Shadur | celyr: That's what it *does*. It plugs into the apt-get pipeline and - depending on exact configuration - shows or mails you the changelog of every package about to be updated. |
| 08:22.33 | celyr | super confortable |
| 08:23.14 | celyr | Shadur, ok let's say that I've 5 pending upgrades, how can I see the changelogs ? |
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| 08:26.13 | celyr | while upgrading it works btw |
| 08:26.21 | celyr | it's just that I want to see them before installing |
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| 09:25.06 | rly | Can anyone recommend an intel driver powered cheap laptop that runs Linux with reasonable powermanagement? |
| 09:25.39 | rly | It's not meant for heavy computing, or whatever. So, there isn't going to be a top of the line CPU or Ryzen or whatever in it. |
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| 09:44.44 | petn-randall | rly: IIRC every Thinkpad should work pretty much out of the box with Linux/Debian. |
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| 09:50.05 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
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| 09:53.44 | domovoy | hi |
| 09:54.06 | sam__ | hey guys quick question concerning permissions. take 775. i understand that the digits are for user, group and other respectively. what i don't understand is which user or group is meant. does 775 mean that the current user (me) has 7? and which group gets the second 7? |
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| 09:55.16 | domovoy | how can i debug what happens when resolving a hostname? (ie, i have several "search" and "nameserver" in resolv.conf, i want to see what fqdn and nameserver it tries) |
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| 09:55.48 | petemc | dig +trace |
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| 09:57.13 | domovoy | petemc> dig +trace gives me a connection timeout... works without it |
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| 09:59.04 | petemc | odd, perhaps try +trace +recurse |
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| 10:01.05 | hyper_ch | hi there, just installed in a VM and I was surprised that ifconfig wasn't installed by default. Why did that change? |
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| 10:01.48 | petemc | hyper_ch: it is deprecated in favour of iproute2 |
| 10:02.07 | petemc | you can still install it if you want |
| 10:02.19 | hyper_ch | petemc: but why do that? does iproute2 do something better? |
| 10:02.29 | petemc | lots of things |
| 10:02.42 | hyper_ch | :) |
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| 10:03.05 | hyper_ch | so, question is solved... since it's intentional :) thought maybe something went wrong when packaging the iso |
| 10:03.07 | hyper_ch | thx |
| 10:03.08 | domovoy | petemc> still the same... May be important to know i'm trying to setup dnsmasq on localhost, and it's the only nameserver in resolv.conf |
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| 10:16.30 | iodev | hi geronimo_ |
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| 10:17.25 | geronimo_ | hi iodev_ |
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| 10:19.38 | at0m | geronimo_: in general, ask in the app specific channel, like #apache, #mysql, #php |
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| 10:21.32 | AtheroS__ | am i still banned ? |
| 10:21.36 | AtheroS__ | i think no |
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| 10:24.09 | petn-randall | AtheroS__: *Should* you still be banned? |
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| 10:31.03 | lesik__ | what were you banned for in the first place? |
| 10:31.26 | codebam | asking if he was banned too often |
| 10:31.36 | lesik__ | nice |
| 10:31.42 | codebam | (I'm joking) |
| 10:31.47 | lesik__ | I got it ^^ |
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| 10:31.59 | codebam | haha |
| 10:33.36 | andre144k__ | hi - is it possible to change default /urs/bin/mail to mutt (system-wide)? |
| 10:33.44 | citypw | https://github.com/hardenedlinux/STIG-4-Debian |
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| 10:34.37 | andre144k__ | maybe changing link /usr/bin/mail >> /etc/alternatives/mail >> /usr/bin/mutt ? |
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| 10:34.42 | andre144k__ | or not good idea? |
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| 10:36.55 | iodev | andre144k__: bad idea |
| 10:37.07 | iodev | leave /usr/bin alone |
| 10:37.21 | andre144k__ | oki - another good idea? |
| 10:37.32 | codebam | citypw: wait what does it generate? |
| 10:37.34 | andre144k__ | i want that cron etc is using muss instead of mail |
| 10:37.41 | codebam | citypw: selinux rules? |
| 10:37.57 | andre144k__ | "mutt" instead of "mail" |
| 10:38.29 | citypw | codebam: the rhel-stig implementation have selinux checks. debian-stig doesn't have it. |
| 10:38.46 | citypw | we may add some MAC/RBAC checks about Grsecurity's RBAC |
| 10:38.50 | citypw | or Apparmor? |
| 10:38.54 | citypw | not settled yet |
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| 10:39.01 | codebam | um okay, what does it do though? is it just for searching for system vulnerabilities? |
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| 10:39.27 | codebam | also, grsecurity is closed source now, no? |
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| 10:40.41 | citypw | codebam: yes, we've been using this version: https://github.com/minipli/linux-unofficial_grsec/commits/linux-4.9.x-unofficial_grsec |
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| 10:41.00 | codebam | oh cool |
| 10:41.02 | citypw | minipli is maintaining the last version of GRSEC, which is 4.9 |
| 10:41.25 | codebam | how can I install that on debian, or would I have to do a manual install? |
| 10:41.28 | citypw | codebam: STIG doesn't try to find vulns/bugs but some security baseline checks |
| 10:42.00 | citypw | codebam: dunno, you can do whatever you like. autoinstall via a customized ISO? |
| 10:42.28 | codebam | okay hmm |
| 10:42.30 | codebam | well thanks |
| 10:42.36 | codebam | I'm going to go now |
| 10:43.04 | citypw | yw;-) |
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| 10:47.21 | YesButProbablyNo | has anyone gotten GNU mailman 3 installed on their machine? |
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| 10:50.26 | petn-randall | !anyone |
| 10:50.26 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 10:51.39 | lesik__ | !popcon mailman |
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| 10:55.20 | babilen | judd: v mailman |
| 10:55.21 | judd | Package: mailman on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.1.15-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:2.1.15-1+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:2.1.18-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:2.1.18-2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:2.1.18-2+deb8u1; sid: 1:2.1.23-1; stretch: 1:2.1.23-1; buster: 1:2.1.23-1 |
| 10:55.36 | babilen | .. I guess that's the background to this question |
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| 10:59.06 | YesButProbablyNo | I would rather stay away from the older generation on mailman |
| 11:00.02 | YesButProbablyNo | but I can't find any guides on getting mailman 3 running |
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| 11:01.02 | YesButProbablyNo | I could do with some other mailing list software too, but mailman is the only one that I know off that can assign email addresses to lists |
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| 11:22.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | helllo |
| 11:22.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | anybody awake with their coffee |
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| 11:22.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i am making a crontab and i wanted it to run it by somebody |
| 11:22.45 | petn-randall | Eryn_1983_FL: Sure, shoot. |
| 11:22.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am doing 0 0 15 /2 * command |
| 11:22.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am doing 0 0 15 */2 * command |
| 11:23.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | i want my command to run a midnight on the 15 day every two months.. |
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| 11:38.51 | dunderproto | I'm trying to set up group/conference calls using SIP. Should I get free sip accounts or set up my own server? |
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| 11:45.36 | bluewhitew | hello all! :) |
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| 11:47.31 | bluewhitew | im just curious about guys working on kernel. Every time they did a modification they have to reboot your machine? Or they uses some tricks? |
| 11:48.38 | petn-randall | bluewhitew: Yes, the usual way is reboot into the new kernel. Then there's "kexec" which theoretically allows you to boot straight into a new kernel, but using that isn't trivial. |
| 11:49.40 | ncz3615 | it is possible to blacklist specific pci ids for a driver without patching the kernel? the snd-hda-intel driver binds to 3 "sound" devices (one real onboard soundcard and two gfx cards with hdmi output. i want to bind it only to the onboard sound card. |
| 11:49.48 | bluewhitew | uhmmm... ok seems a waste of time to have to reboot everytime :| |
| 11:49.51 | ncz3615 | s/it is/is it/ |
| 11:50.07 | petn-randall | bluewhitew: What are you trying to do? |
| 11:50.34 | Mathisen | ksplice maybe also |
| 11:50.47 | bluewhitew | ohh just some experiment. Change something to .. just to study the kernel |
| 11:51.26 | bluewhitew | i using virtualbox and reboot everytime the vm |
| 11:51.45 | petn-randall | bluewhitew: You could look into kexec then. I don't know the details though. |
| 11:51.56 | bluewhitew | by the way make deb_pkg CLEAN everytime ? |
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| 11:55.05 | rizado | Hello! Sorry for question, but is possible to patch X-server for Debian to switch keyboard layout on release instead on press as it's now? |
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| 11:56.33 | rafalcpp | any easy way to create same setup of partitions on disk sdb, as it is on sda? they have same physical size btw |
| 11:56.50 | Mathisen | dd |
| 11:56.54 | rafalcpp | fast them manual fdisk enterin secotrs by hand |
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| 11:57.11 | rafalcpp | Mathisen: just dd the 1st sector? is that fine always? |
| 11:57.22 | rafalcpp | (DOS part table) |
| 11:57.58 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: Use "sgdisk -R", that's the most reliable way. |
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| 11:58.36 | rafalcpp | handles DOS part in addition to GPT? |
| 11:59.04 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: yes |
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| 12:00.00 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: check the man page for details, and pay attention to the order of parameters. I've accidentally mixed source and destination drive once. |
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| 12:00.39 | rafalcpp | hah, probably unpleasent experience |
| 12:01.28 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: I could salvage the information from the kernel, it still kept the "old" data somewhere in /proc/ or /sys/, but it was a shock moment. |
| 12:01.56 | rafalcpp | that man page should be better worded for -R |
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| 12:02.12 | rafalcpp | so -R target source |
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| 12:02.26 | ncz3615 | is it possible to blacklist specific pci ids for a driver without patching the kernel? the snd-hda-intel driver binds to 3 "sound" devices (one real onboard soundcard and two gfx cards with hdmi output). i want to bind it only to the onboard sound card. |
| 12:02.31 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: yep |
| 12:02.49 | petn-randall | ncz3615: What are you trying to accomplish with that? |
| 12:03.04 | petn-randall | !xy problem |
| 12:03.04 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 12:03.33 | ncz3615 | petn-randall: make the onboard soundcard the *only* soundcard and prevent driver oops with the hdmi "sound" cards |
| 12:04.34 | ncz3615 | petn-randall: if the driver binds to all 3, the onboard sound is unusable, even if selected properly in pulseaudio |
| 12:04.41 | petn-randall | ncz3615: If it's only about the default soundcard, I'd just set that either in alsa or pulseaudio. Can you show the kernel oops you are getting? You can use http://paste.debian.net to paste it. |
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| 12:05.35 | kalipso | peace out guys, iam setting up openvpn inside linux containers and follow the arch tutorial because it is very detailed. but installing easy rsa seems to be different on debian, there is no /etc/easy-rsa so my question is in which folder i can find it (whereis easyrsa wont help) |
| 12:06.07 | ncz3615 | petn-randall: no, setting the default soundcard is *not* sufficient. i already experimented with sysfs and driver unbind / bind. but doing this after the driver initially bound to all 3, it still won't work with the onboard soundcard |
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| 12:07.09 | rafalcpp | when you have raid mirror with 1 out of 2 disks (the 2nd disk is missing) how to add a new disk to be used in place of missing one? |
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| 12:07.12 | ncz3615 | petn-randall: if i prevent the driver from binding to anything (by writing "0" to /sys/bus/pci/drivers_autoprobe), then loading the driver, then writing the correct pci device name in /sys/bus/pci/drivers/snd_hda_intel/bind, it works |
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| 12:08.28 | ncz3615 | petn-randall: but i cannot do this in the systemd controlled boot process, or can i? |
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| 12:11.33 | ncz3615 | petn-randall: regarding the oops: sorry, the machine i get this error on is not mine. i only can try out things like once in a week. |
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| 12:16.12 | rafalcpp | ok just mdamd --manage /dev/md0 --add /dev/sda9 is fine |
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| 12:19.48 | juhop | kalipso: try /usr/share/easy-rsa/ |
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| 12:34.49 | peixoto | hello thre |
| 12:34.59 | peixoto | what's up? |
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| 12:45.00 | johnkeates | the sky, thats whats up |
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| 12:46.22 | peixoto | hello |
| 12:46.26 | peixoto | how are you? |
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| 12:47.43 | peixoto | i have some problems with initramfs and linux-firmware. cannot install things... |
| 12:48.35 | towo^work | explain |
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| 12:49.23 | peixoto | here towo^work : https://framabin.org/?3844eddd9ec82267#3VdHwuc0pnKE8Ar6Y/zsAQFl4uVOy81yF7nrhRu4NRY= |
| 12:49.48 | towo^work | this is not debian |
| 12:49.54 | peixoto | yes |
| 12:50.08 | towo^work | no is ubuntu |
| 12:50.15 | peixoto | linux mint |
| 12:50.20 | towo^work | not debian |
| 12:50.25 | towo^work | so wrong channel |
| 12:50.26 | johnkeates | it's not debian |
| 12:50.29 | johnkeates | and it's the wrong language |
| 12:50.32 | johnkeates | we can't help you |
| 12:50.44 | johnkeates | try mint-mexican or whatever it would be called, they have a list on their site |
| 12:50.57 | peixoto | i am french |
| 12:50.58 | peixoto | x) |
| 12:51.13 | towo^work | doesn't matter, it's not a debian |
| 12:51.20 | peixoto | ok |
| 12:51.51 | peixoto | i thought that, as it was based on debian (deb file apt and all), it would be okay. |
| 12:51.54 | peixoto | ok. |
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| 12:52.34 | peixoto | alright |
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| 12:52.36 | peixoto | thanks |
| 12:53.00 | shtrb | Is hexchat a GTK or QT app ? |
| 12:53.16 | towo^work | gtk |
| 12:53.17 | celyr | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-files/+bug/1701068 <- lol |
| 12:53.35 | louiz | yeah⦠|
| 12:53.42 | shtrb | thanks , I have a very strange issue |
| 12:53.42 | louiz | I just saw that |
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| 12:54.51 | celyr | That's the right punishment for those who use ubuntu as server |
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| 12:56.41 | cymen | I have a flaky connection and I am trying to run dist-upgrade but on every restart it downloads everything again. How do I make it keep stuff? |
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| 12:57.51 | bzed | cymen: are you sure it downloads everything again? or does it just continue where it was before? |
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| 13:03.18 | cymen | Well, it starts with Get:1 and I assumed the numbers index the packages. |
| 13:03.55 | cymen | No, seems to get the same things every time. |
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| 13:29.00 | queso | How do I install the latest release of Firefox (non-ESR)? This used to be provided by mozilla.debian.net, but that's gone now, and I see the firefox-esr package is not the latest version. I'm on Jessie. |
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| 13:32.17 | shtrb | apt-get install firefox |
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| 13:32.25 | shtrb | *for the one in debian rep |
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| 13:36.35 | queso | shtrb: http://dpaste.com/04A4T14 I have that installed? |
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| 13:37.06 | queso | Maybe I need to uninstall and reinstall because of all the packaging changes that have occurred related to firefox in jessie? |
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| 13:38.08 | shtrb | You are on stable |
| 13:38.12 | shtrb | ? |
| 13:38.15 | queso | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firefox And this says the package doesn't exist. |
| 13:38.36 | queso | shtrb: Yes, jessie stable. I previously had the package installed via mozilla.debian.net. |
| 13:39.10 | jimjamjim | what exactly does chromium-shell do? |
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| 13:39.32 | shtrb | queso , https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firefox&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search does not look promising sorry |
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| 13:40.24 | queso | shtrb: hmm, okay, I guess it's not available. will have to wait until I upgrade to stretch. Thanks. |
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| 13:46.15 | queso | shtrb: I have a virtual machine running stretch to play around with it. stretch doesn't have a firefox package either: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firefox |
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| 13:47.58 | BluesKaj | queso, you can download FF and it will run fine on debian in my experience. Use dpkg to install it . |
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| 13:58.06 | shtrb | queso , I think there might be an issue with FF (as said on mentors.debian.net) |
| 13:58.18 | shtrb | long live iceweasel |
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| 14:04.11 | queso | lol |
| 14:04.35 | queso | BluesKaj: Oh, so download it directly from mozilla.org |
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| 14:05.24 | dunderproto | Is there an open, standardized protocol for video conferencing? I need a good drop-in replacement for Skype |
| 14:05.37 | dunderproto | But I am finding all the different clients to be extremely confusing and I can't figure out which one to use. |
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| 14:06.16 | petn-randall | dunderproto: XMPP allows for signalling, and you can then do RTC. Have a look at jitsi for example. |
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| 14:06.42 | petn-randall | dunderproto: Another option is to use webrtc for video conferencing, where you end up using your browser for this. |
| 14:06.49 | Ticho | I think Tox had videoconferencing, although I'm not sure if also one-to-many, or just one-to-one |
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| 14:10.13 | shtrb | dunderproto , SIP |
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| 14:10.26 | shtrb | or xmpp depending on your eco system |
| 14:12.15 | shtrb | dunderproto , you need to choose based on your current system and clients. |
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| 14:15.41 | queso | BluesKaj: Yup, it works if you download directly from mozilla.org. Unfortunately it's a tarball so I don't think it will update automatically. |
| 14:15.46 | queso | But it works. :) |
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| 14:21.32 | BluesKaj | queso, oh yeah, forgot that i had to extract it (bz2), guess I had kubuntu on my mind :-) |
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| 14:27.59 | dunderproto | petn-randall: Thanks. I'm researching jitsi and webrtc right now. |
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| 14:28.35 | dunderproto | Ticho: I considered Tox but is it yet experimental? I need something that uses standardized protocols so that it can work across different clients |
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| 14:28.47 | petn-randall | dunderproto: SIP also is possible, but as I researched 2-3 years ago, it wasn't the easiest route for me. May have changed by now. |
| 14:28.48 | dunderproto | shtrb: it does seem that SIP is the best solution |
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| 14:29.28 | shtrb | dunderproto , there is no best solution you need to see what you have |
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| 14:30.13 | petn-randall | dunderproto: The persistent problem you'll always face is how to overcome NAT when establishing a peer-to-peer connection between two (or more) clients. jitsi put quite some effort into this, although it's still not perfect. |
| 14:30.18 | shtrb | if your clients (contacts) interact using SIP based it would be good (phones / ISP level etc) but if they are using H323 it will not work good |
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| 14:30.48 | dunderproto | shtrb: I need a solution that can work across different clients on different platforms, one on my laptop and another on an Android smartphone. Video would be nice, but not essential, so long as audio works reliably |
| 14:30.50 | shtrb | you have public stun services , and many ISP will let you to register and use your "number" on it |
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| 14:31.52 | Silmaril | I've a previously unseen apt behavior (on a raspbian however), it keep downloading the same "InRelease" file (160 try right now, and it's quite slow for each one ..) |
| 14:31.55 | dunderproto | I don't need to call the public telephone network, it just has to work between the two clients. I can self-host a server with a public ip address if need be |
| 14:32.02 | Silmaril | what could cause this ? |
| 14:32.17 | shtrb | dunderproto , If you are going to self host you need a public ip , stun server or a vpn |
| 14:32.31 | dunderproto | shtrb: I've got a public ip |
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| 14:34.06 | shtrb | you can setup everything than, now the only thing you need to choose what server (if that is really what you wish ) answer your needs |
| 14:34.20 | shtrb | *then you can setup everything now |
| 14:34.34 | shtrb | how can I know what GTK version firefox-esr uses ? |
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| 14:35.30 | Silmaril | shtrb: ldd on the binary ? or apt show firefox-esr |
| 14:36.08 | teraflops | shtrb: it uses gtk3 from system if I get what you mean |
| 14:36.36 | shtrb | thank you , but it also lists gtk2 in apt is it ok ? |
| 14:36.51 | teraflops | I think so |
| 14:36.58 | petn-randall | Silmaril: Ask in #raspbian please, Raspbian is a fork from Debian that has significant changes. |
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| 14:37.26 | teraflops | shtrb: but if your issue is about not picking gtk2 themes, that's what I meant |
| 14:37.49 | Silmaril | petn-randall: ok, i doubt they modified apt however ;) |
| 14:37.53 | shtrb | I'm at #kde trying to debug a rendering issue with GTK apps |
| 14:38.01 | teraflops | ah |
| 14:38.11 | Silmaril | look like some ubuntu users where having the same behavior some times ago |
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| 14:39.01 | petn-randall | Silmaril: It's not up to us to verify. If you can replicate the behaviour on Debian we'll be happy to have a look at it. |
| 14:39.05 | Silmaril | something to do with validating the file llok like |
| 14:39.13 | Silmaril | petn-randall: yes of course i understand |
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| 14:48.02 | feb_ | hello. Not sure what happened, but since some update firefox crashes immediately at startup |
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| 14:48.22 | feb_ | even when starting in another user account |
| 14:48.36 | Silmaril | and with a clean profile ? |
| 14:48.43 | nkuttler | ,v firefox |
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| 14:48.44 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 54.0-1; experimental: 55.0~b2-1 |
| 14:48.54 | nkuttler | feb_: 52.0 ? |
| 14:48.59 | waterCreature | hi, i am trying to make a live persistent usb with kalilinux 2017.1 using sandisk ultra flair 64gb, I initially did it successfully with 8gb one. now I want to switch to 64 gb and it's not working. the first time it was stuck, the second time, it was no child node error. |
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| 14:49.24 | waterCreature | i made the os partition 8gb, is there a limit that it should only be 4gb or something? |
| 14:49.28 | feb_ | 52.2 |
| 14:49.28 | waterCreature | for live usb drives |
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| 14:49.44 | nkuttler | waterCreature: ask the kali channel |
| 14:49.54 | waterCreature | nkuttler, it's invite only. |
| 14:49.54 | waterCreature | :( |
| 14:50.06 | feb_ | I even purged and re-installed |
| 14:50.09 | nkuttler | !kali |
| 14:50.09 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 14:50.27 | nkuttler | waterCreature: if you need to register with nickserv first, ask in #freenode for help |
| 14:50.40 | greycat | Is it really invite-only or is just just "requires a registered nick"? |
| 14:51.09 | greycat | They even hide their /topic. Makes me feel like they are not a very welcoming group. |
| 14:51.12 | waterCreature | ah |
| 14:51.13 | nkuttler | feb_: seems to work fine for me. did you try without an existing profile? |
| 14:51.19 | waterCreature | wait i haven't identify yet |
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| 14:51.44 | feb_ | nkuttler, yes. I even tried in a another user account |
| 14:51.47 | nkuttler | greycat: well. if you can't figure *that* out you probably shouldn't be using kali .oO |
| 14:51.48 | waterCreature | greycat, thanks for pointing that out. |
| 14:51.54 | nkuttler | feb_: that doesn't really answer my question |
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| 14:52.33 | feb_ | and also tried after mv aways .mozilla |
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| 14:52.59 | BluesKaj | waterCreature, you just need to register your nick with nickserv and you'll be able to join #kali-linux chat |
| 14:53.17 | nkuttler | feb_: yeah, well, strace it i guess |
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| 14:53.25 | waterCreature | i am on #kali-linux now I believe... |
| 14:53.38 | waterCreature | now waiting for response :D |
| 14:54.32 | dunderproto | shtrb: To set up the server for the sip addresses, what software should I use? Asterisk or Kamailio (or something else)? |
| 14:54.53 | feb_ | the strace isn't very helpful |
| 14:54.56 | feb_ | https://paste.debian.net/973938/ |
| 14:55.00 | dunderproto | I just need two accounts, a@domain.com and b@domain.com, and be able to call each other. I don't need the public telephone network |
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| 14:55.28 | feb_ | could be a problem with glib or another dependency |
| 14:55.42 | shtrb | dunderproto , what suite you best kamailio/sip-router are very different from Asterisk / freepbx |
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| 14:55.45 | feb_ | at some time I had testing enabled at a lower priority |
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| 14:56.09 | feb_ | lower priority than stable |
| 14:56.11 | nkuttler | feb_: which package did you actually install? |
| 14:56.21 | feb_ | nkuttler, firefox-esr |
| 14:56.25 | feb_ | not good ? |
| 14:56.26 | dunderproto | shtrb: ok, I'll research into this to understand the difference |
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| 14:56.30 | nkuttler | feb_: apt-cache policy firefox-esr |
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| 14:56.57 | shtrb | dunderproto , you can use a pbx software or sip-router (has more features but is intended for a different thing ) |
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| 14:57.25 | feb_ | https://paste.debian.net/973940/ |
| 14:58.00 | nkuttler | feb_: yeah, well, if you mixed testing and oldstable there's no guarantee anything works |
| 14:58.24 | feb_ | it wasnt my intention :( |
| 14:58.29 | feb_ | oldstable ? |
| 14:58.34 | Silmaril | jessie |
| 14:58.44 | Silmaril | current stable is stretch |
| 14:59.09 | nkuttler | you might want to upgrade to stretch... sounds easier than cleaning up jessie.. |
| 14:59.29 | feb_ | indeed |
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| 14:59.33 | Silmaril | you might want to try up'ing the jessie packages priority to make sûre there is no leftover |
| 14:59.44 | feb_ | I missed the release of stretch |
| 14:59.46 | Silmaril | or like nkuttler said ;) |
| 14:59.46 | feb_ | hides |
| 14:59.49 | nkuttler | feb_: and check the release notes for the right procedure |
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| 15:00.13 | shtrb | dunderproto , I used opensips (relative of openser/kamailio) for carrier grade level and some frankenstein for the PBX |
| 15:00.44 | nkuttler | feb_: section 4 in particular |
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| 15:02.45 | shtrb | dunderproto , you also need to have control over your dns records if you go above a pbx |
| 15:02.48 | feb_ | nkuttler, will do |
| 15:02.52 | feb_ | thank you all |
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| 15:03.49 | Parulidus | dunderproto , I this week am in a similar topic and searched a lot. I wouldn't know about a recommendation for Android, but for Linux I found the technical most reliable solution to be jitsi. but jitsi does not has a most userfriendly GUI. linphone has the userfriendly GUI and works quite fine, as well. Besides, a web browser based solution could be at this URL: meet.jit.si |
| 15:04.40 | shtrb | If you do take over sip , I used csipsimple , libphone and yate as clients |
| 15:04.57 | timeless | i don't suppose someone is familiar w/ how debian chooses to update packages...; i have logwatch@7.4.3+git20161207-2 on a system, and it's apparently not new enough to handle openssh-server@1:7.4p1-10 output |
| 15:04.59 | shtrb | linphone have an extra bonus of supporting SIMPLE (SIP IM) |
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| 15:05.11 | dunderproto | shtrb: Thanks for your help. I used to use CSipSimple too, but recently it got removed from f-droid, and I could not figure out why |
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| 15:05.51 | dunderproto | Parulidus: Thanks, yes, I have been looking at Jitsi as well |
| 15:05.57 | shtrb | (*) some phones and DEs have built in SIP clients |
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| 15:06.48 | shtrb | any phone that supports LTE should have some support for SIP |
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| 15:10.35 | Parulidus | dunderproto, iconsider to try the newest linphone (version4). They have arepository for Debian on their server, and explain how to add it to your apt sources. |
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| 15:10.49 | Parulidus | sorry, forget the above. |
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| 15:12.18 | dunderproto | shtrb: built-in SIP clients? I have never heard of that before |
| 15:12.21 | Parulidus | dunderproto, consider to use the flatpak installation of the newest linphone version (v4), if acceptable for you to do so inside your debian system. It is described on the linphone site. |
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| 15:12.35 | dunderproto | shtrb: Where would I find such a built-in SIP client on a typical Android phone? |
| 15:12.40 | shtrb | dunderproto , "Voip Settings" |
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| 15:13.13 | shtrb | *under the phone app |
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| 15:18.28 | inte | hello |
| 15:18.33 | inte | i installed kde neon |
| 15:18.48 | shtrb | neon is ubuntu and not debian |
| 15:18.55 | inte | ok i will check there |
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| 15:19.22 | shtrb | #kde and #kde-neon can give you more help |
| 15:19.29 | inte | its only i noticed a .Private directory in my homdir which contains 45g of encrypted files and I dont know what it is |
| 15:19.38 | inte | a cool kde-neon thanks |
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| 15:20.43 | inte | any idea anyone why there would be encrypted files in my homdirectory? |
| 15:20.58 | inte | is this really a ubuntu/neon issue? |
| 15:20.59 | shtrb | if they are encrypted to begin with |
| 15:21.02 | simp_ | inte, keyring maybe? |
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| 15:21.10 | inte | 45gb of keyrings? |
| 15:21.11 | shtrb | 45G of keyrings ? |
| 15:21.15 | celyr | maybe wannacry |
| 15:21.16 | inte | hehe |
| 15:21.20 | simp_ | ah, missed the GB :) |
| 15:21.25 | inte | wannacry on linux? |
| 15:21.31 | shtrb | under wine ? |
| 15:21.40 | celyr | I was kidding |
| 15:21.49 | inte | lsof sees nothing accessing those files |
| 15:22.11 | dunderproto | shtrb: thanks. I'm guessing that SIP support doesn't come turned on by default on most mobiles. But if it had been, that would have been fantastic |
| 15:22.21 | greycat | Just because your distribution's support channel sucks, does not mean we can support your non-Debian operating system. |
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| 15:22.45 | inte | greycat: well im just playing around with neon |
| 15:22.54 | inte | its not my main distri anyways |
| 15:23.04 | shtrb | inte , you can try at debian-kde on OFTC |
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| 15:23.18 | shtrb | they might be packaging stuff and know more on that subject |
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| 15:23.38 | inte | ok but im not even sure this is related to kde at all |
| 15:24.01 | shtrb | If you install ubuntu based you are on your own , sorry mate |
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| 15:24.42 | inte | files are called something like ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.<hashvalue> |
| 15:25.01 | inte | and are dated beginning from april |
| 15:25.11 | jhutchins_wk | inte: Are you the only one who has had access to this system? |
| 15:25.14 | inte | new files were added almost daily |
| 15:25.15 | inte | yes |
| 15:25.20 | inte | only one |
| 15:25.29 | nils_ | is there a way to get the current lts upstream kernel? I'm running a lot of hosts with the kernel from jessie-backports which so far hasn't been patched for the stack clash bug. |
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| 15:26.14 | shtrb | check if you have auto mount for encryptfs |
| 15:27.00 | inte | just found this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/139287/what-are-ecryptfs-fnek-encrypted-files-and-folders-for |
| 15:27.35 | inte | this is, however, even more strange since this is a pretty fresh install (April) and i never changed the encryption passphrase |
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| 15:28.46 | inte | ok i will just backup them to external, delete them locally and reboot and see what will happen |
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| 15:40.12 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 15:40.12 | dpkg | <{Fatalfury}> hi, do u know a way to limit the /proc directory size? now it's over 500MB and i have a very little hd |
| 15:41.14 | mantal-- | make |
| 15:41.16 | shtrb | what ? |
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| 15:41.49 | greycat | No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
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| 15:42.21 | mantal-- | x) |
| 15:42.34 | aguitel | Gufw status are off ,that means the firewall are off ? |
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| 15:46.24 | celyr | is dpkg a bot or there is also a guy behind |
| 15:46.31 | celyr | sometime it looks worringly human |
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| 15:47.05 | greycat | dpkg, what are you? |
| 15:47.05 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>. |
| 15:47.58 | shtrb | that is something a human would say |
| 15:48.03 | celyr | ^ |
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| 15:59.50 | Vamp898 | Some people say that even chicken can install debian if you put enough corn on the return key. I tried that but it didn't work, the chicken got stuck at the password prompt for the root password |
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| 16:00.08 | shtrb | lol |
| 16:01.12 | rafalcpp | Vamp898: put more corn on ENTER |
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| 16:01.46 | rafalcpp | assumes 1-char pass will work |
| 16:02.14 | r4mpage | Vamp898: try to remove some corn |
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| 16:02.26 | r4mpage | the chicken will try to move to the next step |
| 16:02.31 | r4mpage | and type in the correct password |
| 16:02.36 | r4mpage | for more corn |
| 16:02.43 | Vamp898 | i helped the chicken at that point, but it got stuck again at the auto-partition tool which is set to "no" at the question if you are fine with the setup |
| 16:02.52 | r4mpage | Vamp898: are you using LUKS ? |
| 16:03.04 | r4mpage | seems encryption confuses the chicken |
| 16:03.04 | Vamp898 | and the bootloader was installed on nothing |
| 16:03.13 | shtrb | you will need to add corn, but you need to have the correct ordering |
| 16:03.25 | r4mpage | Vamp898: ^ |
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| 16:04.39 | shtrb | Vamp898 , thanks I didn't have such a laugh for a long time |
| 16:05.41 | Aebian | try ducks they are smarter but require bread instead |
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| 16:07.02 | shtrb | ducs are vicious |
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| 16:09.46 | Vamp898 | shtrb: and you learned something. If anyone ever tells again that every chicken can install debian, there was a test which proved this wrong |
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| 16:17.45 | fireboi | i have set my debian pc to a static ip but i cant get it to connect to servers |
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| 16:18.59 | fireboi | even tho i have done the same to my rpi and it works fine |
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| 16:19.11 | petn-randall | fireboi: Can you show us the config, and the output of 'ip addr' and 'ip route'? Paste it to http://paste.debian.net. |
| 16:19.27 | petn-randall | fireboi: Raspbian and Debian are not the same. |
| 16:19.36 | fireboi | petn-randall: ok |
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| 16:23.55 | peterandre | is there a way to manipulate the lsb_release -a output ? |
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| 16:24.18 | greycat | make /usr/local/bin/lsb_release which does whatever you want |
| 16:24.23 | peterandre | ok |
| 16:24.25 | peterandre | thanks |
| 16:24.27 | petn-randall | !xy problem |
| 16:24.27 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 16:25.19 | fireboi | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/plain/973968 |
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| 16:25.40 | lesik__ | are you trying to upgrade your debian my changing what lsb_release outputs? ;) |
| 16:26.28 | martin-_-_ | hi there |
| 16:26.44 | petn-randall | fireboi: You config and the actuall state seem to disagree: You've configured 192.168.1.30 as IP address for eth0, but got 192.168.1.9. |
| 16:26.52 | peterandre | no i'm trying to trick vesta cp (which isnt supported yet by debian strecht) to install it on 9.0 |
| 16:27.26 | martin-_-_ | is it possible to get/extract the installed .deb packages from a system? |
| 16:27.35 | Vamp898 | fireboi: after that, check if you can ping your default gateway |
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| 16:28.30 | martin-_-_ | I want to extract the libc6-dev lib from my system |
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| 16:28.42 | martin-_-_ | because I cant install it on my second system |
| 16:29.07 | greycat | martin-_-_: dpkg -x |
| 16:29.16 | martin-_-_ | ah thanks |
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| 16:29.23 | jhutchins_wk | martin-_-_: That prompts us to ask "why can't you install it". |
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| 16:30.36 | martin-_-_ | I did a factory reset on my NAS and try to execute apt-get install build-essential and I get an dependcy error build-essential: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not installable or libc-dev |
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| 16:31.12 | petn-randall | martin-_-_: Is there a proper Debian on that NAS? |
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| 16:31.28 | martin-_-_ | its a derivate of debian sarge/netgears |
| 16:31.54 | martin-_-_ | I guess the libc6-dev would be avaible in the netgear sources but theire sources are offline |
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| 16:32.15 | martin-_-_ | deb http://www.readynas.com/packages 4.1.16/ is off :/ |
| 16:32.53 | martin-_-_ | petn-randall, thats my system http://wiki.dietpc.org/index.php/DIET-PC_on_SPARC_ReadyNAS |
| 16:33.11 | petn-randall | martin-_-_: I'm guessing mixed releases or so. But you'll have to take that up with them. Neither Debian sarge nor ReadyNAS are supported in here. |
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| 16:33.48 | martin-_-_ | ok then I'll try the dpkg -x on my second nas system |
| 16:34.02 | martin-_-_ | hopefully it works |
| 16:34.57 | petn-randall | I'm guessing there's a 95% chance it won't boot after that. Make backups. |
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| 16:36.24 | fireboi_ | network is unreachable |
| 16:36.28 | martin-_-_ | petn-randall, already done |
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| 16:36.39 | fireboi_ | ip addr eth0 DOWN |
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| 16:36.59 | fireboi_ | ip route blank |
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| 16:38.26 | martin-_-_ | greycat, I switched my HDDs and I'm logged in my second system. Where are the .deb files saved ? |
| 16:39.13 | fireboi_ | petn-randall: /init.d/network restart .. failed |
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| 16:39.39 | martin-_-_ | btw. how can I create/extract the .deb file of libc6-dev |
| 16:40.01 | Vamp898 | fireboi_: can you post the configs again |
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| 16:41.11 | fireboi_ | Vamp898: the same |
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| 16:41.35 | fireboi_ | for ../interfaces |
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| 16:44.11 | jmcnaught | fireboi_: if you mean that you did "/etc/init.d/networking restart" then you should instead try using ifdown and ifup on your interface(s). Restarting the networking service has been deprecated since squeeze as it's known to not always work |
| 16:44.59 | fireboi_ | jmcnaught: ifup /down doesnt work |
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| 16:46.12 | martin-_-_ | or is there a way to figure out which files the libcdev packages contains? |
| 16:46.14 | fireboi_ | couldn't read the ../ interfaces file |
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| 16:47.07 | jmcnaught | fireboi_: '../ interfaces'? |
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| 16:47.10 | default | Dear Abby, got a problem. new installation. Trying to download key into gpg. Get this result: gpg: failed to start the dirmngr '/usr/bin/dirmngr': No such file or directory |
| 16:47.10 | default | gpg: connecting dirmngr at '/run/user/1000/gnupg/S.dirmngr' failed: No such file or directory |
| 16:47.10 | default | gpg: keyserver receive failed: No dirmngr. Re-loaded .gnupg from backup, same result. Tried to remove/re-install gnupg, apt wanted to remove every package from here to Hong Kong. What to do? |
| 16:48.03 | fireboi_ | jmcnaught: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:48.33 | martin-_-_ | ok got it dpkg-query -L libc6-dev |
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| 16:49.37 | martin-_-_ | how can I copy the listed files into a "backup folder"? |
| 16:49.48 | fireboi_ | typo at ../interfaces .... |
| 16:51.00 | jmcnaught | fireboi_: oh i just searched the history to find your paste, are you using raspbian? |
| 16:51.09 | fireboi_ | no everything works |
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| 16:51.27 | fireboi_ | no i said that as an example |
| 16:51.45 | fireboi_ | that their is no router plob |
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| 16:51.54 | fireboi_ | *prob |
| 16:52.18 | ScottE | default: is the dirmngr package installed? |
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| 16:52.48 | Raziel_ | I had a similar issue with dirmngr, it isn't installed by default. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=845720 |
| 16:52.49 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/845720 in gnupg (closed, wontfix): «gnupg: missing dependency on dirmngr»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-11-26; last modified: 2017-01-03. |
| 16:52.50 | default | ScottE: let me see. |
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| 16:53.35 | edju | anyone on jessie and with a hp printer? i ran hp-check and was missing a ton of dependencies. tried to install them and discovered problems - a bunch of "already the newest version" and that libtool is an incompatible version, and more. If any one runs a hp printer on jessie, I'd appreciate any tips, pointers, etc. |
| 16:53.46 | jmcnaught | fireboi_: sorry i don't understand you. would you be more comfortable troubleshooting in another language? Debian has other channels for other languages. |
| 16:54.10 | default | ScottE: No, should I do so? |
| 16:54.18 | jmcnaught | edju: where did "hp-check" come from, a Debian package or a download from the HP website? |
| 16:54.51 | fireboi_ | jmcnaught: it was a typo in my ../interfaces |
| 16:55.07 | fireboi_ | prob = problem |
| 16:55.12 | ScottE | default: It should fix the error, so I would say yes :-) |
| 16:55.39 | edju | jmcnaught, from a debian package. |
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| 16:55.49 | dioz | how to get tap touchpad back |
| 16:55.52 | dioz | please advise |
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| 16:56.23 | jmcnaught | edju: usually HP printers are plug and play for me. Could you perhaps show the terminal output of what you did above? |
| 16:57.01 | johhny | I have a lot of "kworker" and "bioset" with nice values with -20. Is that okay/normal? |
| 16:57.08 | default | ScottE: that seemed to work. Didn't know it was a missing package. Thanks! |
| 16:57.10 | edju | jmcnaught, Sure. I'll have to paste, so be back in a few. |
| 16:57.17 | johhny | CPU usage is 0% for those proc. |
| 16:57.32 | fireboi_ | now i cant enable vnc |
| 16:57.36 | fireboi_ | :( |
| 16:57.37 | ScottE | You're welcome default |
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| 16:58.16 | erob | hey any idea why python 2.7.13 is failing to install properly on debian9/stretch ? i get "recipe for target 'libinstall' failed " |
| 16:58.38 | jmcnaught | default: do you have recommends disabled in apt? |
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| 16:59.12 | jmcnaught | erob: how are you installing it? |
| 16:59.17 | fireboi_ | does static ip affect vnc? |
| 16:59.30 | erob | jmcnaught: from source, using make install |
| 16:59.50 | default | mcnaught: I don't know how to check that. |
| 16:59.55 | jmcnaught | erob: why would you do that? stretch comes with python 2.7.13 as a Debian package |
| 17:00.11 | jhutchins_wk | fireboi_: not if if's a valid ip. |
| 17:00.18 | dioz | so libinput with testing broke my tap on my touchpad. anyone tell me how to fix it? |
| 17:00.38 | fireboi_ | jhutchins_wk: it is i can see it in my network |
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| 17:00.42 | jmcnaught | default: recommends are enabled by default, but sometimes people trying to get a slim system disable them, and then they're missing software that's really useful. If you don't remember disabling it then you probably didn't do it. |
| 17:00.50 | erob | jmcnaught: are you implying its not possible to compile python in stretch ? |
| 17:01.19 | Vasistha | recommendation: best debian LiveCD for a Windows 7 user? Cinnamon / Gnome / kde / Lxde / Mate / Xfce. My wife's windows box is crawling and I've got kind of a one-time-only opportunity to let her try linux and see if she likes it; familiarity and ease of use and simple beauty (not animation) are paramount. |
| 17:01.20 | fireboi_ | when i had dhcp i had vnc now with static i dont |
| 17:01.27 | jmcnaught | erob: i'm implying that you should not install python from source on debian without taking special care to ensure it does not replace the system python |
| 17:01.46 | default | mcnaught: I really don't think I did that. |
| 17:01.59 | ScottE | jmcnaught: my guess is that default did not manually install anything, but the package was just missing in whatever install was in use. I'm pretty sure I ran into this same thing when installing via debootstrap, but I can't say if the official installer does or does not have it. |
| 17:02.14 | BluesKaj | Vasistha, KDE will "look" more familiar to W7 users |
| 17:02.19 | jmcnaught | erob: also it would be very surprising if you had a working stretch system without python 2.7.13 already installed |
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| 17:02.47 | erob | fair enough... should i fill a bug report then ? |
| 17:02.50 | default | mcnaught: is that why apt wanted to remove so many packages? |
| 17:03.00 | johhny | Does anybody have an idea? |
| 17:03.09 | Vasistha | thanks, BluesKaj. I'm leaning towards kde or cinnamon. I dunno if the LiveCD turns on heavy animations with KDE though, lightweight would be nice, running off usb |
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| 17:03.11 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 17:03.11 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of rutabagas, a little WD-40, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed badgers. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 17:03.31 | jmcnaught | default: is your 'j' key broken? :P I don't know why apt wanted to remove packages, but if you make a paste we can all take a look |
| 17:03.31 | AimHere | We don't need no steenking badgers |
| 17:03.43 | jmcnaught | erob: a bug about what? what is your end goal here? |
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| 17:04.18 | BluesKaj | Vasistha, KDE is the most fexible of all the desktops IMO, hence the bigger footprint |
| 17:04.24 | default | jmcnaught: Sorry :) |
| 17:04.39 | erob | jmcnaught: i wanted to install python in /usr/local |
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| 17:04.56 | erob | while taking care of compilation options |
| 17:05.02 | jmcnaught | erob: "⦠to solve this problemâ¦" |
| 17:05.07 | ScottE | default: The reason apt wanted to remove so many packages to uninstall gnupg is because gnupg is a dependency of lots of stuff - it's fairly vital to a working system. But, none of that really matters since the right solution was simply to install the missing package and you should be good now. |
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| 17:05.38 | martin-_-_ | I'll use cp /usr/lib/libnsl.so destination |
| 17:06.00 | martin-_-_ | is there a way to tell cp to create the same folders like from the source? |
| 17:06.08 | jmcnaught | erob: why are you not able to use the python provided by Debian? |
| 17:06.09 | Vasistha | BluesKaj: thanks. Although this kde bug is making me nervous so I'm thinking I should do something else. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=865382 |
| 17:06.10 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/865382 in debian-live (open): «Stretch KDE live image is not stable»; severity: important; opened: 2017-06-20; last modified: 2017-06-20. |
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| 17:06.28 | default | ScottE: Okay, I'll just quit while I am ahead. |
| 17:06.44 | martin-_-_ | cp /usr/lib/libnsl.so destination should result in cp /usr/lib/libnsl.so destination/usr/lib/libnsl.so |
| 17:07.18 | erob | jmcnaught: i want to fine tune the compilation for speed not debugging |
| 17:07.23 | edju | jmcnaught, ran hp-check again after running hp-doctor, which ran an apt-get session. now the only error is "error: 'libtool' package is missing/incompatible ." I have libtool 2.4.2-1.11. |
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| 17:07.56 | BluesKaj | vincent_c, I'm on Debian stretch/9 and it's as solid as a rock, like any other desktop a lot depends on your hardware. |
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| 17:08.16 | BluesKaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.42 | jmcnaught | edju: okay i just ran hp-check and it had similar errors for me. Have you tried manually adding the printer in CUPS by going to http://localhost:631 ? |
| 17:09.06 | fireboi_ | i cant enable vino from settings |
| 17:09.16 | Vasistha | BluesKaj: yeah but it looks like the kde livecd has this bug. It's just risky, if the thing is unstable, I'll probably have to buy my wife a new windows computer instead of installing linux on this perfectly good one. Kinda got one chance here to make a good impression, and that's a scary-looking bug there. |
| 17:09.23 | fireboi_ | after static ip |
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| 17:09.47 | edju | jmcnaught, no, never thought of cups.. will try. |
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| 17:10.09 | martin-_-_ | cp --parents solved the issue |
| 17:10.21 | BluesKaj | Vasistha, don't judge a baremetal install by a usb live media |
| 17:10.49 | jmcnaught | erob: i strongly recommend that you install your new python to somewhere that is not on your $PATH (not /usr/local) so that it does not conflict with the system python. Install it to /opt, or consider doing this experiment in a chroot/container/VM |
| 17:11.04 | Vasistha | BluesKaj: I'm not - I can't do an install, gotta trial the livecd first. Must make a good impression there before the proper install can happen! |
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| 17:11.29 | johhny | I have a lot of "kworker" and "bioset" with nice values with -20. Is that okay/normal? CPU usage is 0% for those proc. |
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| 17:12.01 | BluesKaj | Vasistha, but it's your money, all you have to lose is nothing , you can always wipe the OS if it doesn't work, make sure you back up your data first of course |
| 17:12.31 | Vasistha | BluesKaj: also why I'm doing the livecd - she might have some nasties on the drive - can't trust windows to make a backpu |
| 17:12.39 | jelly | johhny: normal, those are kernel threads |
| 17:13.09 | johhny | jelly thank you :) |
| 17:13.36 | johhny | Those are new, never saw them with Kernel 3.X |
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| 17:13.43 | johhny | ? |
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| 17:14.56 | BluesKaj | Vasistha, suggest you buy a samall hdd for a few bucks and install it in the pc , then install debian on that for trial run |
| 17:15.10 | jelly | johhny: I see both [kworker/something] and [bioset] on a jessie 3.16.0-4-amd64 kernel |
| 17:15.33 | johhny | Okay, nevermind :) |
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| 17:15.51 | fireboi_ | vino broken |
| 17:16.24 | fireboi_ | cant enable vnc |
| 17:16.30 | Proteus^ | a usb boot device is your friend for learning |
| 17:17.26 | Proteus^ | in fact if you get a large one you can use multibootusb to install several different distros. When i was first learning i went through several installs trying different things out. Very handy tool to just have them all and select what you want to boot. |
| 17:17.44 | Proteus^ | http://multibootusb.org/ |
| 17:17.58 | fireboi_ | and then u make stuu |
| 17:18.20 | fireboi_ | stuff thinkg u got persistence and boom |
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| 17:18.43 | Proteus^ | you can have persistence with multibootusb :) |
| 17:18.46 | Proteus^ | its pretty slick |
| 17:18.58 | fireboi_ | i tried like 4 times |
| 17:19.23 | fireboi_ | and the i coded some stuff and the next day gone |
| 17:19.32 | fireboi_ | tthen |
| 17:20.00 | Proteus^ | http://multibootusb.org/page_guide/#adding-persistence-file |
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| 17:20.42 | fireboi_ | 2 os with 2 persist strage for each other? |
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| 17:21.08 | Proteus^ | each get their own based on your setting i believe |
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| 17:21.47 | fireboi_ | ive done so many times |
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| 17:22.21 | fireboi_ | persistance.conf doesnt work |
| 17:22.35 | greycat | does the spelling count? |
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| 17:23.23 | fireboi_ | Proteus^: only debian .. supported ;) |
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| 17:24.08 | fireboi_ | vino help |
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| 17:24.17 | aguitel | anyway to install compiz & emerald themes in stretch mate ? |
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| 17:26.20 | fireboi_ | aguitel: link? |
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| 17:28.46 | fireboi_ | where is the vino conf? |
| 17:28.48 | aguitel | fireboi_, looking for the link |
| 17:29.04 | fireboi_ | aguitel: k |
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| 17:33.17 | dioz | i have tap to click enabled in dconf |
| 17:33.24 | dioz | why do i have no tappy click on my touchpad? |
| 17:33.30 | dioz | it happened after testing update |
| 17:33.50 | greycat | If you figure it out, please tell us, so we can put it on the wiki, because EVERYONE is asking this. |
| 17:33.59 | dioz | oh |
| 17:35.18 | fireboi_ | vino cant be started |
| 17:36.11 | jmcnaught | fireboi_: you need to provide more details if you want help. show the error message, try running it from a terminal. |
| 17:37.53 | fireboi_ | from cli says aldeary running |
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| 17:38.16 | fireboi_ | but if i go on gnome sttings its off |
| 17:38.40 | fireboi_ | jmcnaught: |
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| 17:40.32 | fireboi_ | when i click the on/off button it jumps back to off |
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| 17:43.19 | fireboi_ | remove and reinstall |
| 17:43.22 | fireboi_ | ? |
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| 17:46.57 | fireboi_ | aguitel: what are u trying to do? |
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| 17:49.13 | jhutchins_wk | ,info vino |
| 17:49.14 | judd | Package vino (gnome, optional) in stretch/amd64: VNC server for GNOME. Version: 3.22.0-1; Size: 403.2k; Installed: 2256k; Homepage: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Vino; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/vino |
| 17:49.54 | jhutchins_wk | fireboi_: Find out where it logs and see why it's failing. |
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| 17:52.04 | dirac1 | http://www.zdnet.com/article/linuxs-systemd-vulnerable-to-dns-server-attack/ |
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| 17:52.27 | shtrb | systemd is a denial of service attack |
| 17:52.29 | jmcnaught | fireboi_: oh i think i know what you're experiencing, i have a similar problem with the media sharing done by rygel in gnome because I don't use NetworkManager anymore. For Rygel at least it has a feature that lets you selectively enable it depending on the network you're connected to, which requires you to be using NetworkManager as far as I can tell |
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| 17:54.44 | jhutchins_wk | systemd.resolv - because we didn't know how to do dns before. |
| 17:54.55 | jhutchins_wk | all your system are belong to systemd. |
| 17:55.03 | greycat | As long as it's off by default, systemd will be permitted to live. |
| 17:55.31 | shtrb | it is disabled by default ? |
| 17:56.00 | jmcnaught | systemd-networkd and systemd-resolved are not enabled by default on Debian |
| 17:56.12 | shtrb | praise the debian gods |
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| 17:56.24 | greycat | By "it" I mean all of these stupid add-ons like the builtin time sync and the builtin cron and the builtin network-manager. |
| 17:57.09 | dirac1 | soon to have built-in internet browser. |
| 17:57.15 | dirac1 | systemd-browse |
| 17:57.18 | dirac1 | :) |
| 17:57.35 | jmcnaught | actually i started using networkd on my desktop and i like it so far |
| 17:57.35 | shtrb | I think the marvelous manor that replace cron is active (because of the timers ) |
| 17:57.50 | r7st` | o/ |
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| 17:59.53 | fireboi_ | jmcnaught: i think i use network manager |
| 18:00.05 | BluesKaj | dioz, in the console, synclient TapButton1=1 |
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| 18:00.45 | jmcnaught | fireboi_: wasn't your earlier issue getting a static IP configured in /etc/network/interfaces? NetworkManager by default ignores interfaces configured that way, it marks them as unmanaged. |
| 18:01.08 | fireboi_ | jmcnaught: oh no what can i do then? |
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| 18:01.29 | fireboi_ | jmcnaught: i used dhcp before and vino worked |
| 18:01.32 | jmcnaught | fireboi_: use a different VNC server, or go back to using NetworkManager |
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| 18:02.08 | fireboi_ | jmcnaught: network manager cant work with static ip? |
| 18:02.32 | Vamp898 | fireboi_: sometimes i feel like NetworkManager cant work with Networks in general |
| 18:02.44 | jmcnaught | fireboi_: you can configure NetworkManager to use a static IP, but you configured something else instead |
| 18:02.57 | fireboi_ | im sad |
| 18:03.13 | fireboi_ | new vnc i guess |
| 18:03.27 | jhutchins_wk | Vamp898: That's probably an indication that you don't understand how Network Manager is meant to be used. |
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| 18:04.27 | Vamp898 | jhutchins_wk: i always failed to setup multiple virtual ip addresses |
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| 18:07.34 | fireboi_ | well thank u guys im gonna install the vnc tomorrow thx |
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| 18:15.29 | aguitel | anyway to install compiz & emerald themes in stretch mate ? |
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| 18:20.59 | jhutchins_wk | That sounds like a good way to break things. |
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| 18:30.38 | jhutchins_wk | aguitel: When you install items that are meant for something "close" to what you're installing them on, the way things break can be subtle and VERY difficult to fix. If you want to try it, I would make sure you had a good backup you could revert to. |
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| 18:30.54 | err404 | how I can manage pulseaudio volume control with cli or ncurses like alsamixer? |
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| 18:31.28 | jhutchins_wk | aguitel: How themes are installed tends to vary from release to release, I would look for docs for your current version of mate, or look to the source of the themes for advice. |
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| 18:31.57 | aguitel | jhutchins_wk, ok |
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| 18:52.36 | Jonny135 | Hi guys! I'm comming here because I need help to connect a Huewei 3G modem via cli in voyage it's a distribution very close to debian and it use mostly of his package. |
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| 18:52.46 | die7 | any chance to get itunes on debian running? |
| 18:52.56 | verm1n | is freeipa-server + debian RIP? |
| 18:53.01 | Jonny135 | Before update the kernel everything was working, but with the new kernel not anymore |
| 18:53.08 | greycat | !based on debian |
| 18:53.08 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 18:53.19 | Jonny135 | Can anyone help me? |
| 18:53.25 | greycat | Maybe, but not us. |
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| 18:54.15 | Jonny135 | greycat it's a readonly debian.... |
| 18:54.41 | greycat | !voyage |
| 18:54.41 | dpkg | Voyage Linux is a distribution <based on Debian> targetted for x86 embedded platforms. Supported via mailing list. http://linux.voyage.hk/ Not supported in #debian. |
| 18:56.06 | verm1n | i cant get it to install properly in a fedora25 lxc container on top of debian |
| 18:56.22 | verm1n | whoops disregard |
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| 18:58.14 | dontknow | Jonny135, they can't help you. they don't have much knowledge |
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| 18:59.29 | larvallid | i have a computer with Nvidia 6150SE nForce 430 integrated graphics. on a fresh install of debian 9, i can use it for a while but eventually the system freezes up and the screen displays diagonal lines. do i need to install "nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver"? |
| 18:59.38 | Jonny135 | dontknow I trying to solve the problem by my self, but I cannot really figure out where it fail the job |
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| 19:02.00 | UNIcodeX | I'm trying to switch from stretch to testing. I changed all instances of "stretch" to "testing" and commented out the security updates lines. I'm getting "The key(s) in the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not readable by user '_apt' executing apt-key" and some other messages |
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| 19:04.35 | dontknow | i think it is not good time to upgrade to testing |
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| 19:06.42 | UNIcodeX | why? |
| 19:06.55 | UNIcodeX | i'm testing "testing" in a vm. |
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| 19:09.09 | mutante | UNIcodeX: because stretch just became stable this month, so testing was unstable a very short while ago |
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| 19:09.56 | greycat | More importantly, all the new toys were being *held back* from unstable because of the freeze and the impending release, and now the flood gates are open. |
| 19:10.02 | UNIcodeX | mutante, the intended use case is for my personal laptop, so as to have the latest packages, security fixes, etc... |
| 19:10.04 | greycat | Everyone's putting all their new toys in unstable. |
| 19:10.11 | Vasistha | oy. Installed debian on a USB stick. At the end of the installation, I installed grub on MBR of that same USB stick. Now it won't boot-- after selecting the USB stick from (((factory boot screen / BIOS / I don't know what to call it))) - it just boots windows from the HDD |
| 19:10.29 | greycat | The ones that trickle down to testing are likely to bring substantial changes. |
| 19:10.36 | UNIcodeX | basically my goal is to use a rolling release |
| 19:10.44 | greycat | Then why are you using Debian? |
| 19:10.51 | UNIcodeX | to see if it can handle it |
| 19:11.01 | mutante | UNIcodeX: " commented out the security updates lines" vs. "have to have the latest security fixes" seems a contradiction? |
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| 19:11.19 | UNIcodeX | I was advised that security fixes are tracked differently in debian testing |
| 19:11.22 | greycat | Testing is the *worst* release choice if you care about security as a primary goal. |
| 19:11.23 | UNIcodeX | was I ill advised... |
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| 19:12.15 | UNIcodeX | https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/5mf4ps/can_anyone_help_with_this_warning/dc33f7z/ |
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| 19:12.57 | larvallid | i installed nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver. gnome (i think) crashes one second after logging in. when it crashes, i can see my desktop icons, but the wallpaper is black and the top bar is missing. then it repeats in a cycle as if i logged in again. after a while, the entire system hangs as before installing the driver. |
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| 19:14.29 | jmcnaught | err404: you can use pactl |
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| 19:15.40 | BluesKaj | larvallid, which nvidia gpu? |
| 19:16.05 | larvallid | BluesKaj, Nvidia GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 |
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| 19:16.16 | err404 | jmcnaught, yes, i found something like: pactl set-sink-volume 0 50% |
| 19:16.26 | err404 | and it's work |
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| 19:16.30 | err404 | thanks |
| 19:16.36 | durka42 | Hi. Trying to debug an issue with NetworkManager. Under what circumstances might NetworkManager *automatically* add a line such as `unmanaged-devices=interface-name:wlan0` to /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf? It's easy enough to go remove it, but this is a headless device and I need to prevent it getting added in the first place. |
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| 19:17.19 | larvallid | BluesKaj, (btw, it's part of a chipset, not a dedicated graphics card) |
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| 19:18.51 | BluesKaj | larvallid, yes , i remember that on my old acer laptop |
| 19:19.22 | jmcnaught | durka42: is wlan0 listed in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 19:19.57 | durka42 | jmcnaught: no, I think I found the issue though |
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| 19:20.02 | durka42 | it's a bad interaction with create_ap |
| 19:20.07 | larvallid | BluesKaj, my machine is a Compaq budget desktop |
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| 19:21.48 | lostlegion | how can i run routerspoilt on kali linux 2017.1 |
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| 19:23.04 | jmcnaught | lostlegion: kali isn't supported here, it has its own channel |
| 19:23.07 | larvallid | BluesKaj, i was unable to reproduce the issue on a live CD of ubuntu 11.10 (from 2011!), which was apparently running with no proprietary drivers. |
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| 19:23.55 | BluesKaj | larvallid, are you using this driver , nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver |
| 19:25.07 | lostlegion | exit |
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| 19:25.59 | larvallid | BluesKaj, yes. when i installed debian, it came with the nouveau driver. then i added the non-free repo and installed nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver. |
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| 19:27.19 | BluesKaj | larvallid, install nvidia-detect , it will find the correct 304 driver, then install that |
| 19:28.22 | larvallid | BluesKaj, i'll select recovery mode in the GRUB boot menu, uninstall nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver, unblacklist nouveau, start up normally, and install nvidia-detect. is this correct? |
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| 19:29.26 | BluesKaj | there's no need to blacklist nouveau , install the nvidia proprietary driver disables it, larvallid |
| 19:29.39 | BluesKaj | installing |
| 19:29.41 | larvallid | BluesKaj, ok |
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| 19:29.48 | IHaveNoName | What is the +l mode ? |
| 19:30.19 | greycat | https://freenode.net/kb/answer/channelmodes |
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| 19:31.39 | BluesKaj | larvallid, and also make sure you have dkms installed |
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| 19:32.40 | larvallid | BluesKaj, ok. |
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| 19:33.44 | IHaveNoName | greycat thanks :) |
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| 19:37.27 | larvallid | BluesKaj, how should i uninstall nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver? i ran "apt-get remove nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver" and "apt-get autoremove" in recovery mode, and booted back into normal mode. i have the same problems with gnome, but now the system doesn't hang. |
| 19:38.44 | larvallid | nevermind, the system just hung. |
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| 19:39.22 | BluesKaj | larvallid, ok do you get to the login page? |
| 19:40.22 | larvallid | BluesKaj, i have already enabled automatic login before we started. i'm not sure how i could disable it |
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| 19:41.41 | larvallid | BluesKaj, the startup process skips the login screen because i have automatic login enabled. |
| 19:41.43 | shtrb | should floppy drive work with debian sid ? (2.88 mb ) ? |
| 19:42.06 | BluesKaj | larvallid, ok , ctl+alt +F2, login then at the prompt do , sudo apt install dkms nvidia-detect |
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| 19:42.30 | larvallid | BluesKaj, ok |
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| 19:43.51 | BluesKaj | larvallid, you should see a message about the correct 304XXX driver |
| 19:44.00 | larvallid | BluesKaj, dkms already installed. nvidia-detect has been installed. |
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| 19:44.03 | Vasistha | shtrb: https://wiki.debian.org/Floppy |
| 19:44.18 | Vasistha | shtrb: it's not possible to install from floppy |
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| 19:44.38 | larvallid | BluesKaj, i ran the "nvidia-detect" command and it says: "Your card is only supported up to the 304 legacy drivers series. It is recommended to install the nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver package." |
| 19:44.59 | shtrb | Vashistha I was wondering about getting data from them |
| 19:45.42 | BluesKaj | larvallid, yes, install the nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver package |
| 19:45.49 | Vasistha | shtrb: yeah, see that wiki link. If the hardware still works and they're not too degraded from age, it just might work |
| 19:46.31 | shtrb | I hope so (need to find an adapter for that ) |
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| 19:47.20 | larvallid | BluesKaj, running "apt-get install nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver" |
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| 19:48.25 | larvallid | i've already tried this driver though. the first time i installed it, it said it the proprietary driver conflicts with nouveau, and the easiest solution is to reboot. i didn't get any messages this time. should i reboot? |
| 19:48.46 | BluesKaj | yyes |
| 19:48.54 | larvallid | rebooting |
| 19:49.10 | BluesKaj | larvallid, if your machine still hangs then i think nouveau is the only choice. |
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| 19:50.14 | larvallid | BluesKaj, nouveau isn't usable either. it hangs occasionally, especially when i open/close windows or browse the web. |
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| 19:50.31 | BluesKaj | bummer |
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| 19:50.45 | larvallid | BluesKaj, i saw the GNOME top bar and wallpaper for a second (although without any desktop icons), and now i have a pitch black screen with only the cursor. |
| 19:51.23 | larvallid | it just played the animation you see when you log in, and i saw the top bar, wallpaper, and desktop icons. then immediately it kicked me out to the login screen. |
| 19:51.27 | BluesKaj | larvallid, which debian / |
| 19:51.37 | larvallid | BluesKaj, debian 9.0.0 amd64 |
| 19:52.10 | greycat | three digits sounds like a Live image... |
| 19:52.36 | greycat | and the 9.0.0 Live images are known to have many problems; hence the 9.0.1 images that were released a few days afterward |
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| 19:52.51 | greycat | which may or may not *still* have some problems... |
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| 19:53.24 | larvallid | greycat, yes, i'm aware of the problems with live images, and have read the mailing lists warning us to not install with live images. i installed using the normal (not live) installer. |
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| 19:53.56 | BluesKaj | larvallid, version 9.0.1 might be your answer |
| 19:54.04 | larvallid | greycat, before installing, on another USB flash drive, i played around with 9.0.1 live, and the freezing and display corruption problem occurred on the live system. |
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| 19:55.11 | larvallid | BluesKaj, the current system was installed from 9.0.0 (non-live). i should install from debian-live-9.0.1-amd64-gnome.iso? |
| 19:55.32 | greycat | no, if you installed from a real installer, let it stand |
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| 19:56.38 | gulopeiar | I need to check the expected time my battery will last |
| 19:56.47 | gulopeiar | what is the command line utility to do that? |
| 19:57.04 | larvallid | gulopeiar, i use "upower -d" which gives a lot of info |
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| 19:57.45 | larvallid | greycat, that's what i did -- i installed it from a real installer. after installing, the system occasionally hangs and displays diagonal lines on screen. it hangs more often when i open/close windows and browse the web. can't go 30 minutes without freezing. |
| 19:58.27 | greycat | Sounds like an issue with the video drivers. But I'm guessing you already knew that. |
| 19:58.32 | larvallid | greycat, yeah |
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| 19:58.39 | BluesKaj | larvallid, have you updated/upgrade your packages |
| 19:58.40 | gulopeiar | thanks larvallid, that was helpful |
| 19:58.54 | greycat | Have you done the usual -- look for errors in dmesg and Xorg.0.log, look for missing firmware, install missing firmware and microcode? |
| 19:58.58 | larvallid | gulopeiar, you're welcome |
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| 19:59.32 | larvallid | BluesKaj, i've ran "apt-get update" after installing, but can't remember if i ran "apt-get upgrade". i might not have. |
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| 20:00.42 | larvallid | greycat, no i haven't checked any logs after installing the system. i would do that now but i am having trouble restoring the system to the way it was before, with nouveau drivers. |
| 20:00.43 | BluesKaj | then you should, updating only readies the packages upgrade installs new one and or upgrades the existing ones |
| 20:02.25 | larvallid | i want to restore the system to use nouveau drivers. to recap, i've installed nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver and nvidia-detect. |
| 20:03.07 | BluesKaj | upgrade your packagess first |
| 20:03.18 | larvallid | BluesKaj, ok, running "apt-get upgrade" |
| 20:03.36 | BluesKaj | larvallid, update and upgrade |
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| 20:03.54 | larvallid | BluesKaj, 0 upgrades. ran update, and still 0 upgrades. |
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| 20:04.31 | BluesKaj | ok then guess your stuck with nouveau |
| 20:04.40 | BluesKaj | you're |
| 20:04.59 | larvallid | should i run "apt-get remove nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver nvidia-detect" now? |
| 20:05.25 | BluesKaj | if you wish |
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| 20:05.43 | BluesKaj | is thais alaptop larvallid? |
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| 20:05.47 | larvallid | BluesKaj, desktop |
| 20:06.03 | larvallid | BluesKaj, ok. i have to get back to nouveau because at this point, i can't even log in for a few seconds without hanging. |
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| 20:07.06 | BluesKaj | larvallid, the i recommend spending 40 bucks on an entry level pcie nvidia geforce 210...it's cheap and it works |
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| 20:10.17 | larvallid | BluesKaj, i'm not spending money on this machine because the hardware is slow and i have other computers. i'll try some more to get debian to work, otherwise i'll try ubuntu gnome or use the windows partition again |
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| 20:12.31 | azzamsa | Yes, I know this place is not the propriate place for asking about shell and bash, but I dont know where to ask, |
| 20:12.31 | azzamsa | please point me to another channel or any place where I can discuss about it. |
| 20:12.31 | azzamsa | I have a problem when I want to change my PS1 bash style. this is my configuration, but unluckily my prompt still the old one |
| 20:12.31 | azzamsa | and I cant figure it out, what the problem is. |
| 20:12.34 | BluesKaj | larvallid, understood |
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| 20:12.40 | azzamsa | https://github.com/azzamsa/dotfiles/tree/master/bash |
| 20:13.21 | azzamsa | I learn from here https://github.com/mathiasbynens/dotfiles |
| 20:14.17 | nkuttler | azzamsa: nobody is going to read all of that... which file do you source and expect to change the prompt? |
| 20:14.45 | dax | azzamsa: there is #bash |
| 20:14.48 | greycat | azzamsa: put your PS1=... in ~/.bashrc and be sure that you source or dot-in ~/.bashrc from your login profile |
| 20:14.54 | nkuttler | oh right, #bash.. |
| 20:15.00 | azzamsa | https://github.com/azzamsa/dotfiles/blob/master/bash/.bash_prompt |
| 20:15.27 | greycat | you'll need to close and reopen each window to get the new PS1, or run 'exec bash', or dot in the ~/.bashrc file again, though my personal choice is 'exec bash' |
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| 20:15.49 | vuser | #gentoo |
| 20:15.53 | vuser | whoops |
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| 20:16.33 | azzamsa | I just put this line in .bashrc [ -n "$PS1" ] && source ~/.bash_profile; |
| 20:16.34 | BluesKaj | think I'm done for the day ....take care folks |
| 20:16.42 | azzamsa | and put everything in .bash_profile |
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| 20:17.15 | greycat | No, that is BACKWARDS. Backwards and wrong. |
| 20:17.26 | greycat | .bash_profile, if it exists, should dot in ~/.bashrc |
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| 20:17.36 | greycat | .bash_profile should contain environment variables and other non-transient settings |
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| 20:17.40 | azzamsa | it seems to be working in MacOS, but is there any diferent behaviour in bash for linux ? |
| 20:17.53 | greycat | .bashrc should contain shell functions, aliases, shopts, sets, and any variables that you don't want to be exported |
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| 20:18.41 | azzamsa | https://github.com/mathiasbynens/dotfiles I am following this lagendary dotfile wich got 16k stargazers, but when I try to adapt the .bash_promt, it doesnt work in my machine |
| 20:18.57 | greycat | I am not even going to look at that. It's on shithub. So I will just assume it's wrong. |
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| 20:19.08 | larvallid | does it mean the kernel has crashed if Alt+PrntScr+B doesn't do anything? |
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| 20:20.57 | azzamsa | Is this right if I separate the functions in bashrc to .functions, export to .export and I source it in .bash_profile ? |
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| 20:21.11 | azzamsa | but that's works. |
| 20:21.28 | azzamsa | the only thing I stuck is my PS! does not change :( |
| 20:21.39 | azzamsa | greycat: I will try you suggestion. |
| 20:22.08 | azzamsa | so the right thing is i put something like .bash_profile, if it exists, should dot in ~/.bashrc |
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| 20:22.49 | azzamsa | if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then . ~/.bashrc fi |
| 20:22.57 | azzamsa | in .bash_profile |
| 20:23.13 | greycat | good |
| 20:23.43 | greycat | And most people choose to put PS1 into their .bashrc instead of exporting it. |
| 20:25.22 | azzamsa | greycat: year ago I share the attitude of online code hosting rating by fsf to my friends, and github get F rating. gilab C and so on. if I could ask, where do you prefer to put your project ? |
| 20:25.28 | azzamsa | I sorrry, before. |
| 20:25.53 | azzamsa | *I am sorry, before. |
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| 20:26.14 | greycat | On my home page, because I'm not some loser with no home. |
| 20:27.51 | azzamsa | greycat: :) thanks lot for the help |
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| 20:35.45 | jhutchins_wk | I always considered this pretty authoratative: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/ |
| 20:36.03 | jhutchins_wk | These days I work on enough different systems that I don't tend to do much customization. |
| 20:36.12 | CyberaX | ;) |
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| 20:38.20 | Silmaril | hum, look like my problem on the raspbian is related to a simple fact of mis-configured ipv6 service ... |
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| 20:39.06 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: I find that even the default Debian PS1 is too big. |
| 20:39.34 | greycat | I use PS1='\h:\w\$ ' |
| 20:40.12 | teraflops | there's no problem hosting your code or dotfiles in gh/gl, the internet is full of shit, not just those sites. also people trying to copypaste config files without understanding them is another matter. anyway calling looser to massive amount of people that use those sites looks pretty crappy attitude |
| 20:40.12 | n4dir | PS1="user " (well, or ROOT). |
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| 20:49.35 | jhutchins_wk | I did some useful customizations when I was starting out, only working on my own home PC, but these days I log in to hundreds and have had to train myself to expect the default environment, with reasonable acomodations. |
| 20:50.15 | jhutchins_wk | There are a couple of my customizations that did get adopted into a major distribution, which I find amusing. |
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| 20:50.35 | jhutchins_wk | (I don't use them any more myself.) |
| 20:51.38 | g105b | Hi guys, is it possible to add something to the wpa_supplicant.conf file to run a bash script when the connection is made? I have a script that configures the wpa_supplicant.conf file and I wish to run a command on first connection, without having to edit any other files? |
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| 21:06.18 | jhutchins_wk | g105b: That kind of thing usually goes in ifup-* files. |
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| 21:12.19 | hanasaki | booting the live image of debian 901 goes to grub fine. any thoughts why selecting live boot says bad magic number? verified w/ 2 pc's and two usb sticks |
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| 21:16.51 | g105b | jhutchins: yeah I am aware of that, but I only have the ability to edit wpa_supplicant.conf, I wondered if there was any way to do it in this file? |
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| 21:19.23 | nibiru | hi |
| 21:19.30 | nibiru | i have old motherboard with PCI-e x16 slot! Can i place a new videocard with PCI-e 3.0 x16 in my old MB? |
| 21:20.06 | ChunkzZ | nibiru: ask in ##hardware |
| 21:20.14 | nibiru | k |
| 21:20.32 | ChunkzZ | k |
| 21:20.33 | `Kevin | nibiru: you should be ok but you should be aware of the PCIE version for that mobo/cpu |
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| 21:20.41 | `Kevin | nibiru: other than that offtopic :) |
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| 21:23.29 | duckx0r | I'm trying to upgrade my Debian server, and the changes only list "upgraded" packages, no newly installed or removed, however it says that after the changes 16.7 GB of disk space will be freed (https://pastebin.com/rtXSwb6P). I have a feeling that this is probably to do with several virtual machines I have running with qemu-kvm, but I just want to make sure that I'm not going to actually lose those VMs, because that would be catastrophic for |
| 21:23.29 | duckx0r | me. And if not, why would it say it's going to free space when it's actually not? Is this a bug with apt somehow? |
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| 21:25.46 | Aebian | can I force colors and fonts for a ssh connection on the server? ^^ So even whats configured on the client side, the server will override it |
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| 21:27.20 | jmcnaught | duckx0r: are you going from wheezy to jessie? Do you have backups? |
| 21:28.15 | jmcnaught | Aebian: not sure what you mean, but bash is configured the same way for remote servers as you would configure it locally. |
| 21:29.15 | kingsley | FYI: A faster sort: https://github.com/orlp/pdqsort |
| 21:29.30 | Aebian | well I have a z-shell on my server and also a irssi session. If you don't configure your local terminal and connect with defaults then irssi looks like crap (in terms of colors and font) and I want to skip the local configure part and just set it serverside |
| 21:29.43 | jmcnaught | duckx0r: the usermin and webmin packages, those must be from a third party repository. what happens if you try (but do not complete) an upgrade with the non-Debian repos commented out? |
| 21:29.48 | Aebian | if thats possible |
| 21:31.31 | jmcnaught | Aebian: oh i see what you mean. that would be a feature of whatever terminal emulator you're using. gnome-terminal does have profiles, but i don't know if they can be paired with specific ssh connections. Maybe there's another terminal that does⦠|
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| 21:33.11 | Aebian | well main reason for it is my android phone which has limited capabilities in terms of terminal customizing |
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| 21:33.30 | Aebian | so if that gets handled server side that would be neat |
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| 21:41.47 | hanasaki | any reason why the netinstall boot CD for deb9 would fail to boot on a pc and on a virt-manager setup? |
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| 21:49.10 | SwK | can someone point me in the right direction for the signing requirements for deb 9 apt repos? apt-secure(8) while useful doesnt tell you key strength and such required |
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| 21:59.30 | duckx0r | jmcnaught, sorry, delayed answer. No I'm not changing distros. Just a regular `apt-get dist-upgrade`. I'll try commenting out non-Debian repos to see what happens. |
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| 22:01.21 | jhutchins | duckx0r: If it's not specifying that it's removing packages, it's likely that it's installing packages that take less space. |
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| 22:02.22 | duckx0r | jhutchins, not 16 GB less |
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| 22:04.15 | duckx0r | jmcnaught, I commented out virtualmin repos and now it's not showing the -16GB difference message. Maybe there's something wrong on their end. |
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| 22:06.52 | nvz | can someone suggest a nano like editor with a yank command, i want more emacs style macro not vi commands. there used to be mped in debian which was perfect but its no longer available |
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| 22:07.30 | plotino | hello everyone |
| 22:07.46 | plotino | i need help about startup script |
| 22:08.03 | nvz | plotino: first time here? |
| 22:08.15 | plotino | im running Ubuntu KDE e try to stop a service when a certain user login |
| 22:08.19 | plotino | not the first time |
| 22:08.26 | plotino | buts it s long timee |
| 22:08.51 | plotino | how to at user login automatically stop a service ? |
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| 22:09.23 | plotino | he needs sudo i suppose, but it does not seem to work with kde autostartup |
| 22:09.28 | nvz | plotino: you dont want to just disable automatic starting of the service? |
| 22:10.45 | missmbob | !tell plotino -about ubuntu |
| 22:11.00 | nvz | plotino: you got this channel all wrong 1) dont greet evryone its a high volume channel that sees over 1600 nicks daily and 30000 anually, 2) get to the point, 3) dont come in here for support when youre not using debian |
| 22:11.25 | Atm0spher1c | nvz, you like rsi? |
| 22:11.29 | Atm0spher1c | :D |
| 22:11.34 | Atm0spher1c | nvz, https://github.com/zyedidia/micro |
| 22:12.16 | plotino | nvz. i want this service for all user exepct that one |
| 22:12.39 | nvz | i may very well hunt down the old mped package and build a stretch package |
| 22:12.46 | missmbob | plotino: we dont support ubuntu, as you've been told. go to #ubuntu |
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| 22:12.59 | pacha | nvz: try mg |
| 22:13.08 | plotino | i think mine is a general linux question .. |
| 22:13.08 | dax | or #kubuntu, for KDE Ubuntu stuff. both work. here does not work. |
| 22:13.11 | plotino | but as you prefer |
| 22:13.15 | dax | then go ask ##linux |
| 22:13.20 | pacha | nvz: it is like nano with Emacs bindings |
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| 22:13.24 | missmbob | plotino: not here |
| 22:13.26 | dax | 'cause this is #debian, where we surprisingly discuss Debian. |
| 22:13.33 | nvz | plotino: you could waste everyones time chasing a phantom that doesnt even haunt debian |
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| 22:13.54 | dax | a spectre is haunting #debian |
| 22:13.57 | dax | the spectre of UBUNTU |
| 22:14.13 | jimbzy | I thought this was a channel for the famous poet D. E. Bian... |
| 22:14.14 | plotino | im a debian user |
| 22:14.15 | nvz | plotino: if you want debian support run debian, if you want ubuntu, use their channel for support |
| 22:14.24 | plotino | but on one machine i have kxstudio |
| 22:14.30 | plotino | ubuntu based |
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| 22:15.37 | nvz | plotino: the problem is ubuntu doesnt use the same packages, theyre updated on a time based schedule and we cant reproduce issues and give tested advice on other distros |
| 22:16.09 | plotino | catched! |
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| 22:16.22 | nvz | plotino: its polite to not waste time of volunteer support in a high volume channel, use #ubuntu for ubuntu issues youll get better advice |
| 22:16.38 | plotino | ok |
| 22:16.41 | plotino | sorry |
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| 22:17.14 | nvz | in any channel get to the point |
| 22:17.33 | smhar | greetings |
| 22:17.40 | nvz | sighs |
| 22:17.41 | dino4ever | How do i update my python on debian ? |
| 22:18.16 | nvz | dino4ever: update how? whats the problem? |
| 22:18.38 | dino4ever | I am on 2.7.9 python |
| 22:18.53 | nvz | dino4ever: and you need 3.x? |
| 22:18.59 | dino4ever | Yes |
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| 22:19.05 | jimbzy | When I booted Stretch for the first time I noticed I get a bunch of APCI warnings when I boot and I did a little investigation and saw that it's sort of common. I didn't have bootlogd activated so I don't have the exact messages. I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the subject. |
| 22:19.36 | nvz | dino4ever: debian ships with and can have both simultaneously, python* packages are 2.x python3* packages are 3.x |
| 22:19.43 | Atm0spher1c | dino4ever, apt-cache search ^python3$ |
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| 22:19.49 | galex-713 | Hi |
| 22:19.55 | dino4ever | Ok |
| 22:20.15 | smhar | I have a debian jessie laptop -in the process of being upgraded to stretch- and I want to have a web development environment that is semi separate, ie, MySQL, and Apache and PHP and the website in a virtual environment, while the development tools in the host |
| 22:20.19 | galex-713 | Is there somewhere where are written official/historical/true reasons for the existence of nonfree? |
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| 22:21.00 | nvz | smhar: classic way of doing this is a chroot system |
| 22:21.11 | smhar | Is having a command line debian installation with LAMP in a virtualbox the best option? |
| 22:21.36 | nvz | smhar: virtualbox wold be unecesssary overhead |
| 22:21.49 | galex-713 | smhar, why do you want to separate it? |
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| 22:22.06 | smhar | nvz, interesting... never thought of chroot, and I agree of the overhead |
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| 22:22.10 | BenediktXVII | does anybody have experience with debian servers ? |
| 22:22.11 | Atm0spher1c | smhar, no virtualbox in stretch right now as well, you'd have to backport it |
| 22:22.12 | galex-713 | chroot allows to stop the stuff in the chroot to access other files of the system |
| 22:22.29 | Atm0spher1c | smhar, you could also try docker |
| 22:22.32 | missmbob | !virtualbox |
| 22:22.33 | dpkg | Oracle VM VirtualBox is an almost free software virtual machine solution. To install, see https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox or ask me about <vbox-install jessie>, <vbox-install wheezy>. http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox rename>, <vbox guest>, <vbox extpack>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>. |
| 22:22.45 | missmbob | look at the debian wiki linked above |
| 22:22.51 | galex-713 | while virtualization is a much more complex and heavy system of security, which also stops it from doing many stuff, but has a lot of disadvantages in terms of performance, memory usage, etc. afaik |
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| 22:23.30 | smhar | Atm0spher1c, I will need virtualbox anyway for my other M$ stuff, ie, AutoCAD and Primavera ... sad |
| 22:23.45 | Atm0spher1c | missmbob, you know why there is no virtualbox in stretch? |
| 22:23.49 | nvz | smhar: for basic confgsepppration ooo to run adifferent branch say testing oor unstable, nd keep privs seperate chroot is enough for more seperation as far as hardware resources you can use a vm but virtualbox isnt a good choiceits more tied to a gui, you have hypervisors like xen and such |
| 22:24.22 | missmbob | Atm0spher1c: there were problems supporting security. we oracle took over the repository |
| 22:24.32 | nvz | smhar: you dont necessarily need virtualbox and windows to run windws apps either but even so its no environment for a server |
| 22:24.42 | galex-713 | smhar, wine works very well as well |
| 22:24.44 | missmbob | Atm0spher1c: so* oracle |
| 22:24.44 | Atm0spher1c | okay great |
| 22:24.47 | galex-713 | and has no overhead |
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| 22:25.53 | smhar | galex-713, wine wont run AutoCAD and Primavera |
| 22:26.00 | galex-713 | smhar, why? |
| 22:26.10 | galex-713 | is there some kind of special anti-wine protection in them? |
| 22:26.11 | nvz | smhar: not only does wine work well but there is a commercial version with tech support and directx available from codeweavers called crossover |
| 22:26.22 | galex-713 | Or didn you just tested and it didnât worked out of the box? |
| 22:26.37 | smhar | galex-713, I tried many time.. |
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| 22:26.57 | galex-713 | (if so, you can try to speak to wine or PlayOnLinux people, by just configuring or changing versions you normally should be able to make them work) |
| 22:28.24 | nvz | windows in virtualbox isnt bad if you have virt support and enough ram |
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| 22:29.23 | nvz | but for simple use of a few specific programs or better overall resource use and integration wine or crossover are better options |
| 22:29.35 | galex-713 | nvz, just as kvm/qemu, yet virtualbox is graphical |
| 22:29.40 | galex-713 | so itâs bad for a server |
| 22:29.49 | nvz | and codeweavers offers better support than youd get from microsoft |
| 22:29.50 | galex-713 | because most of time because of it you install X |
| 22:30.02 | galex-713 | and even sometimes a whole DE, or at least WM |
| 22:30.14 | galex-713 | and that makes more and more security faults |
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| 22:31.56 | smhar | galex-713, I never used qemu before, but if it would give me a better performance I would go for it. I am not an expert in commandline but I am comfortable enough to learn |
| 22:33.20 | galex-713 | smhar, all what I know is qemu is launched and controlled by cli, maybe you can do weird networking stuff or get console output more easily than with virtualbox and with less overhead (like with no graphical or X stuff), but Iâm not sure |
| 22:33.57 | galex-713 | kvm stuff (the same as lxc (the stuff docker use) use) would seem to be a better option when you want to virtualize for security reasons |
| 22:34.19 | galex-713 | Yet in your case, if chroot is enough, you should use chroot |
| 22:34.28 | BenediktXVII | Does anybody have experience with Debian servers ? I need to set up a server which allows me to deploy software onto workstations which run under win 8.1 enterprise, be able to manage user accounts, have the user's home folder stored on the server so that whenever they log into their session from any workstation their data is the same and be able to remotely install new workstations from a windows disk image. All that preferably |
| 22:34.28 | BenediktXVII | with a GUI. Is that at all possible with Debian server ? |
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| 22:34.38 | galex-713 | running stuff on windows is a bad idea |
| 22:35.19 | smhar | galex-713, After fully updating to stretch, I will investigate qemu |
| 22:35.32 | galex-713 | BenediktXVII, dunno, isnât microsoft/windows stuff meant to be used under windows, normally? |
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| 22:36.01 | nvz | BenediktXVII: its possible but using gui administration introduced both performance and security issues. |
| 22:36.24 | galex-713 | smhar, well if chroot is enough I really recommand chroot, but qemu isnât that a great deal for using graphical stuff under windows (since what you want is graphical stuff) |
| 22:36.40 | nvz | he wants to deploy a debian server to act as a directory server for windows clients |
| 22:36.50 | galex-713 | you mean ldap? |
| 22:36.57 | BenediktXVII | nvz: I know, but the person who will be administrating the network knows nothing about command line |
| 22:37.09 | nvz | not necessarily but ldap is one example |
| 22:37.09 | BenediktXVII | yes, it's to basically replace a windows AD domain |
| 22:37.22 | galex-713 | dafuq ? we have network administrators now who donât know the commandline? really? O.o |
| 22:37.27 | galex-713 | thatâs really⦠interesting⦠|
| 22:37.46 | nvz | BenediktXVII: are we talking local gui admin from the server or remote admin from over the internet? |
| 22:37.55 | galex-713 | also probably really bad: I know profane people, train-people, and electrical engineers who did master pretty well command line |
| 22:37.56 | smhar | galex-713, yes.. both AutoCAD and Primavera are very graphical |
| 22:37.58 | BenediktXVII | It's within a non-profit organization. |
| 22:38.08 | BenediktXVII | Local GUI to manage workstations etc ... |
| 22:38.13 | galex-713 | smhar, yeah then virtual box will do |
| 22:38.27 | smhar | galex-713, in fact, I currently have 2 windows VM, one for each |
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| 22:38.49 | smhar | but for the web development environment, it is fully command line |
| 22:38.56 | BenediktXVII | nvz: although he might want to administer the server from a workstation |
| 22:39.03 | smhar | it would be like my 'offline' webhost |
| 22:39.04 | BenediktXVII | within the LAN |
| 22:39.12 | diveyez | <3 debian 9 |
| 22:39.20 | galex-713 | smhar, yet I would encourage you to dedicate the time you planned to investigate on qemu on investigating on why these doesnât work with wine: itâs very probably possible of making them work with wine and that would be really better (in terms both of security, freedom and convenience) |
| 22:39.31 | jimbzy | diveyez: I agree :) |
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| 22:39.41 | nvz | BenediktXVII: local admin on a server running x can be locked down more and secured more easily but actually is more resource intensive because it requires a full x server and probably for an inexperienced admin, a full desktop env with lots of gui tools |
| 22:39.58 | smhar | I like the idea of chroot for the server |
| 22:40.42 | Atm0spher1c | pushing wine really hard here |
| 22:40.52 | Atm0spher1c | all you have to do is search for the app on winehq |
| 22:40.56 | nvz | BenediktXVII: admin using gui over network introduces more security issues but can be done in essentially 2 ways, using a vnc server or a web based interface |
| 22:41.01 | Atm0spher1c | he said they dont work |
| 22:41.06 | galex-713 | BenediktXVII, non-profit doesnât necessarily means poor, but if thatâs that important and the organization is really poor in your case, why global administration is necessary? (thatâs by curiosity, not to help to technically help you, so answer if you want) |
| 22:41.15 | smhar | galex-713, oh... I would very much love to be able to run AutoCAD and Primavera from wine.. but AFAIK, no one succeeded doing so.. so far |
| 22:41.19 | diveyez | mariadb <3 |
| 22:41.38 | galex-713 | smhar, afaik openbsd has something quite similar to chroot but more secure |
| 22:41.48 | BenediktXVII | The hardware is as follows: 2x Xeon quad core, 128 GB of RAM, 500 gb system disk with RAID 1 backup and 4x 2TB HDD in 2x2TB RAID 1 |
| 22:42.23 | galex-713 | (similar to virtualization⦠but less stupid because itâs probably actually like SELinux, but in as simple as chroot) |
| 22:42.29 | nvz | BenediktXVII: how many clients roughly? |
| 22:42.49 | BenediktXVII | galex-713: There are 24 machines at the non-profit and about 40 user sessions. There are also like 600 youth coming every day which use the public network |
| 22:42.51 | smhar | nvz, I really like the idea to run the LAMP server in chroot, and I can just make a small script to run and stop the LAMP |
| 22:43.00 | BenediktXVII | 24 workstations and 4 laptops |
| 22:43.16 | nvz | smhar: indeed |
| 22:43.22 | smhar | galex-713, good, but I only have this debian laptop to use |
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| 22:43.58 | galex-713 | smhar, yeah that wasnât really relevant if you main and unique OS is debian ^^' |
| 22:44.23 | smhar | nvz, I am heading to Google for searching a reading more about chroot.. thanks |
| 22:44.28 | galex-713 | BenediktXVII, that actually seems to be pretty big O.o how did you manage not to find someone who know commandline? and/or who can install debian on all workstations? |
| 22:44.38 | galex-713 | (that is not ironic btw) |
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| 22:44.47 | BenediktXVII | Workstations have to remain under windows |
| 22:45.26 | BenediktXVII | And the person who built the network started from scratch not knowing anything about networking. I am just a volunteer. |
| 22:45.39 | nvz | BenediktXVII: sounds like you can handle that with your choice of hardware. will there be any internet accessible services needed on this server.. i.e. ways in from outside the lan? |
| 22:45.43 | galex-713 | smhar, I find it pretty sad when stuff donât run under Wine :/ I also donât understand why since theyâre trying to implement the whole Windows API⦠|
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| 22:46.07 | galex-713 | BenediktXVII, why the workstations have to remain under windows? |
| 22:46.21 | jimbzy | galex-713: Anti-debugging? |
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| 22:46.28 | galex-713 | jimbzy, ? |
| 22:46.37 | jimbzy | Why things don't run under wine. |
| 22:46.44 | BenediktXVII | They are running stuff like Adobe creative suit and things like that which require windows. I checked (and pulled all the hairs out of my nostrils) a windows server licensing, however it's darn expensive, even with edu prices |
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| 22:46.58 | galex-713 | jimbzy, ah really? you think antidebugging features might act as an anti-wine feature? :o |
| 22:47.10 | BenediktXVII | as they are charging per core now |
| 22:47.19 | BenediktXVII | and the CAL licenses too |
| 22:47.29 | BenediktXVII | big ripoff if you ask me |
| 22:47.29 | galex-713 | BenediktXVII, canât these stuff work under Wine? |
| 22:47.34 | BenediktXVII | no |
| 22:47.42 | jimbzy | It's possible. I've had programs refuse to run while emulators were running on the same system. |
| 22:47.54 | BenediktXVII | Adobe premiere, indesign and so on won't run under wine |
| 22:47.59 | nvz | BenediktXVII: they prob wanted to charge per transistor but couldnt count that high |
| 22:48.10 | BenediktXVII | nvz: rofl |
| 22:48.13 | galex-713 | jimbzy, how thatâs possible that one program knows about the running of another program on the system? |
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| 22:48.31 | galex-713 | nvz, xD |
| 22:48.37 | galex-713 | BenediktXVII, that really seems awfull :o |
| 22:49.01 | tw | there are windows apis to discover your peer processes, check for debugging, etc. |
| 22:49.09 | galex-713 | BenediktXVII, and why Adobe creative suit and things like that have to run on the workstations? |
| 22:49.17 | jimbzy | galex-713: I'm really not 100% sure, but I have encoutered it and I've had it happen with SoftIce, IDA, etc. |
| 22:49.29 | jimbzy | What tw said! ;) |
| 22:49.38 | galex-713 | tw, but not on POSIX right? so how does Wine do that? |
| 22:49.42 | BenediktXVII | galex-713: because we do video workshops, graphic workshops etc... |
| 22:50.04 | BenediktXVII | we are a youth center |
| 22:50.19 | tw | galex-713: linux has them too. |
| 22:50.35 | galex-713 | BenediktXVII, and why did you abandon gimp/inkscape/mypaint/kdenlive/blender/etc. then? |
| 22:50.41 | nvz | smhar: chroot is simple app that changes the root of the filesystem and makes all apps inside think that the directory chroot is running on is the top level of the filesystem, you use debootstrap to setup a base install of desired debian branch in a directory the chroot to that directory and apt-get install the components you need |
| 22:50.47 | galex-713 | or why didnât you try them |
| 22:51.29 | nvz | smhar: schroot is a simple method of running apps from within a chroot |
| 22:51.36 | galex-713 | tw, ok so any process can know the name, and stuff from any other process in the system? |
| 22:51.38 | BenediktXVII | We never worked with tehse. Also the external persons which come to animate a workshop and so on use the Adobe software |
| 22:51.48 | galex-713 | like anything ps/htop says? |
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| 22:51.56 | jimbzy | galex-713: I became aware of it hacking games back in the day and writing trainers. I think they use similar techinques to help crack down on cheating, too. |
| 22:52.07 | galex-713 | (well actually thatâs not that abnormal since any process could run htop and watch the output of itâ¦) |
| 22:52.08 | tw | galex-713: unless you've got process hiding turned on. |
| 22:52.25 | galex-713 | tw, what is process hiding? |
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| 22:52.47 | BenediktXVII | Bit we already have all the windows licenses for the workstations |
| 22:52.53 | BenediktXVII | *but |
| 22:53.05 | BenediktXVII | I just need to setup the server |
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| 22:53.37 | tw | galex-713: hidepid for proc, also some grsec extensions for similar purposes. |
| 22:53.59 | galex-713 | BenediktXVII, why donât you tell them that if the try and find cool enoug these free software they might save money from the adobe licences and the windows server licences, which from what I understood is pretty high? |
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| 22:54.26 | tw | because retraining people for a different workflow doesn't happen. |
| 22:54.46 | galex-713 | tw, what do you mean? |
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| 22:55.05 | BenediktXVII | galex-713: The windows licenses are nearly free. It's the windows server license which is expensive |
| 22:55.24 | tw | You're going to convince people to leave industry standard software to go to some FOSS equivalent and expect them to get anything done for the next 6 months? |
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| 22:55.36 | BenediktXVII | galex-713: and unfortunately switching to FOSS is not an option in this case ;( |
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| 22:55.55 | Abbott | I am preparing for upgrading from jessie to stretch and a guide I'm following suggests looking at `aptitude search '~o'` which brings up some packages I've manually installed. Is that what the ~o convention is for? I know some backports use a tilde in the package name as well |
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| 22:57.31 | galex-713 | tw, you mean it would even be possible to get something done in just 6 months? |
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| 22:58.00 | galex-713 | BenediktXVII, yeah thatâs why I didnât say anything about windows licences which arenât windows server licences |
| 22:58.07 | dax | Abbott: ~o means obsolete packages, ones that aren't in any repositories you're currently using |
| 22:58.08 | jimbzy | galex-713: He means people don't like change. ;) |
| 22:58.18 | dax | Abbott: so yes, .deb files you've downloaded and installed would normally be in that list |
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| 22:58.28 | galex-713 | BenediktXVII, still by curiosity, why free software is not an option in this case? :/ |
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| 22:58.38 | nvz | galex-713: i understand your points but you are in fact just trolling at this point they already purchased and setup 24 workstations with windows and adobe products, they made the decision to consider debian for a server to save money. thats already been decided. |
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| 22:59.04 | Abbott | okay, that makes sense. thanks dax |
| 22:59.24 | galex-713 | jimbzy, yeah but thatâs always necessary all through life, but thatâs not a relevent-enough argument against free software, otherwise that would be both an argument against democracy, liberalism, technical progress, economical progress, etc. |
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| 22:59.30 | BenediktXVII | because the people working at the association want their software installed. and it's windows software. |
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| 23:00.30 | nvz | i suggest that if anyone wishes to continue the discussion of why a non profit should use free software they take it to a social channel like #debian-offtopiv ##defocus or such |
| 23:00.31 | cef | The thing a lot of people always seem to forget about with any chance is that change costs. Time, money, labour. If you don't factor that into a saving, then it's pretty moot. I use Linux where I can, but if something's stuck on Windows, I won't change it unless I can see a clear benefit that outweighs those costs, despite being a FOSS advocate. |
| 23:00.34 | BenediktXVII | nvz: thanks |
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| 23:00.51 | cef | chance = change. damn typo |
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| 23:01.22 | BenediktXVII | cef: I completely agree |
| 23:01.30 | nvz | here we were discussing use of debian as an active directory server for 24 already setup windows clients which is on topic |
| 23:01.42 | galex-713 | nvz, why do you think Iâm trolling? also as I said several times between parenthesis, Iâm asking all that by curiosity, Iâm not conditionning my help (I canât help there anyway), Iâm not ordering them (Iâm happily not in the position to do that anyway x)), and I even said if they didnât want to answer to save time or for other reasons they could |
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| 23:02.52 | xBlackPhoenixZx | hello |
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| 23:03.06 | nvz | galex-713: this person came in to get help, this is a high volume channel and your curiosity in parenthesis or not is distracting from the issue at hand.. you can continue your discussion with any interested parties elsewhere and we can get to the matter at hand here |
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| 23:03.14 | galex-713 | nvz, I donât think NPO has special reasons to use free software over companies, and Iâm not even discussing why everybody should use free software because I would be tired of that since thatâs already a widely spoken subject with arguments easily available everywhere |
| 23:03.26 | galex-713 | nvz, ok sorry I stop then |
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| 23:03.50 | nvz | thank you |
| 23:03.53 | BenediktXVII | galex-713: No hard feelings. I am just pointing out that a considerable investment in time and money has been made to setup the workstations. |
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| 23:04.29 | nvz | BenediktXVII: when people are recognising the matter and letting it drop you must follow suit ;) |
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| 23:05.03 | BenediktXVII | nvz: I was already typing that. I was just a bit slow. ;) |
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| 23:05.22 | galex-713 | BenediktXVII, yeah I already guessed that, I didnât even hope to convince anybody here x) I just were curious (even if actually to me it is more about to know that for you (not you personally, I mean the NPO) this investment is bigger enough to outweight the utility of free software) |
| 23:05.33 | nvz | as i said all interested parties are free to talk about it in #debian-offtopic and both issues can get undivided attention |
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| 23:06.01 | BenediktXVII | nvz: now, I would like to know what the options are to setup an AD structure in debian ? |
| 23:06.12 | BenediktXVII | and is it difficult to setup ? |
| 23:06.15 | cef | Did the original person get an answer to their Q? |
| 23:06.32 | nvz | BenediktXVII: my last question was if there was need for access from outside the LAN of this server |
| 23:06.35 | BenediktXVII | cef: no, and I am the original person ;) |
| 23:06.50 | BenediktXVII | nvz: yes through VPN |
| 23:07.22 | Sensiva | A friend of mine used this to manage Windows workstations https://www.turnkeylinux.org/domain-controller |
| 23:07.50 | jmcnaught | BenediktXVII: sounds like you're going to become a Samba expert |
| 23:07.56 | cef | BenediktXVII: do they already have a VPN solution as part of their setup (that doesn't use the server as the destination)? |
| 23:08.13 | Abbott | is there any way to search for binaries by when they were last used? I feel like I have stuff installed on this machine that I haven't used in a long time |
| 23:08.14 | BenediktXVII | yes |
| 23:08.18 | nvz | BenediktXVII: ok have you began install yet? |
| 23:08.34 | BenediktXVII | nvz: no I receive the hardware on tuesday |
| 23:08.47 | cef | BenediktXVII: Does the VPn auth users against the AD? |
| 23:08.50 | nvz | BenediktXVII: is it all ready for d-i? |
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| 23:09.17 | BenediktXVII | jmcnaught: lol |
| 23:09.31 | BenediktXVII | cef: currently the VPN goes through our NAS |
| 23:10.11 | BenediktXVII | cef: it's just to access the content of the NAS. But the idea is also to be able to manage the server remotely |
| 23:10.21 | cef | BenediktXVII: ok.. Does the NAS currently do any AD functionality? |
| 23:10.23 | jmcnaught | BenediktXVII: samba 4 added support for being an AD controller |
| 23:10.42 | BenediktXVII | cef: I suppose, it's a Synology NAS |
| 23:10.50 | cef | BenediktXVII: ie: where do you want the user database to reside, and where does it currently reside? |
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| 23:11.02 | BenediktXVII | the server will be a different ball game altogether |
| 23:11.06 | cef | BenediktXVII: ahh yup. |
| 23:11.56 | BenediktXVII | cef: currently user sessions are stored independently on the workstations. So people have to stay on the same workstations and data is not synced |
| 23:12.13 | BenediktXVII | We want to migrate all user sessions to the server |
| 23:12.23 | cef | the big thing will be deciding where to put all the user auth data. managing that with a gui will then be the next part. It most likely won't be as clean cut as say Windows server. |
| 23:13.14 | BenediktXVII | the hardware setup is as follows: |
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| 23:13.32 | cef | eg: samba 4's internal tools, some form of LDAP, etc. the rest is just setting shares and pointing the users at their stuff. I've not done any roving home dirs tho. I'm assuming these are all static workstations and not laptops? |
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| 23:13.47 | cef | ie: will any of these devices boot up without the server? |
| 23:14.16 | cef | (also means you need to consider redundancy options). |
| 23:14.45 | cef | and by redundancy, I don't mean RAID! ;) |
| 23:15.06 | BenediktXVII | 2x Xeon quad core / 128 gig of RAM / 1x 500 GB HDD for the server OS which will be backed up by a 500 GB HDD in RAID 1 / 2x 2TB HDD as one extended partition for user sessions and home folders backed up by 2x 2TB HDDs in RAID 1 |
| 23:15.21 | cef | BenediktXVII: I have to go to work. Sorry I can't give you more time at the moment. |
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| 23:15.30 | BenediktXVII | thanks a lot cef |
| 23:15.45 | BenediktXVII | I need to go to bed too1:15 am here :) |
| 23:15.47 | cef | by redundancy I mean a backup/secondary AD.. ie: if the server is down, what happens? |
| 23:16.15 | BenediktXVII | ok, I will look into that |
| 23:16.37 | cef | BenediktXVII: No probs. I think you can do some of that with the Synology.. tho not sure how much. |
| 23:16.57 | BenediktXVII | I will be back on Saturday with more info. |
| 23:17.07 | jimbzy | Good luck, BenediktXVII |
| 23:17.16 | BenediktXVII | Thanks a lot everybody |
| 23:17.36 | BenediktXVII | jmcnaught: thanks forthe turnkey link :) |
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| 23:18.25 | jmcnaught | oh that wasn't me, i tend not to recommend non-Debian stuff in here ⺠|
| 23:18.41 | Sensiva | turnkeylinux is debian |
| 23:18.55 | jmcnaught | based on debian isn't the same as part of debian |
| 23:19.36 | Sensiva | turnkeylinux is not part of debian |
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