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| 00:29.57 | Abbott | okay so after the dist-upgrade I have a LOT of packages held back: http://dpaste.com/1DJMR4A |
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| 00:30.11 | Abbott | is there any pattern to what's happening? How should I fix this? |
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| 00:46.28 | Abbott | would it be a bad idea to just apt-get install all the packages that are being held back? |
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| 00:47.24 | lendo | Abbott: maybe aptitude full-upgrade |
| 00:48.20 | Elodin | Hello, is it possible for me to like... clone an audio output device? like create a ghost one linked to a physical one so vlc can scan it? |
| 00:49.00 | Elodin | i setup a box and i want to put vlc or other software to stream the audio output of that box |
| 00:49.18 | Elodin | so i can listen to it on mobile |
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| 00:50.00 | Elodin | i have some idea how to accomplish that, but my soundcard isn't showing up on vlc. |
| 00:50.04 | Elodin | https://i.imgur.com/6tGCr9i.png |
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| 00:50.14 | edju | running jessie and kde. installed nm-applet, but despite a lot of google I can't get it to autostart. any tips on where to put it appreciated. |
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| 00:55.32 | Abbott | lendo: is that not the same as apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 01:11.00 | bruchetto | WHO LIKES ANAL?? quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: hata CHRiSNEW Introoter aksis roniez haircode2 ijmad dondelelcaro Rhuarc antismap` czer00 iViLe uNmowed aaa| zetheroo SaltySolomon raynold mo1991 karstensrage zmachine brian_ musalbas SQL angor sekjun9878_ moss mhall119 sach Cybertinus bedah Ad1Tech Peterzen agustafson benaiah odish _guios pelp pseubodot ValodiaDeSeynes Arroyo1010 hue AndrewAlexMac Gazpaxxo xiqy_ malm davidebeatrici cliluw AxForest missmbob R |
| 01:11.00 | genziana | WHO LIKES ANAL?? quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: Baudelaire disposable2 oliverio bollo ryan-c marcoslater foriin sim590 shtirlic frankie Kamilion oojacoboo gareth__ superrorc nshp spont4e yeticry doubledutch aerbax soahccc Commander1024 ephemer0l stairc ijmad johnnyfive Sir_Designer__ Guest90954 Junaos oerheks sydney_untangle totonika flipp fladi_ Nnavd juantelez jackNemrod Wire abra0 soee Celelibi mingdao nickdastain edwardly cyborg-one LambdaCalculus37 S |
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| 01:11.00 | Jeansy | WHO LIKES ANAL?? quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: kobain BenderRodriguez teclo- bwf cusco hahainternet vectr0n|cloud cliluw windrive1 coruja_ Malinux ToBeFree Archrover aaro _tyranny12 SPF mingdao pixel_yo blueness cbdev todd_dsm donut_ petemc kingsley slicepaperwords moetunes dave0x6d kh4| kmh Nomads BotaniCar seyeongkim Guest21400 The_Eccentric xnite dos1 gareth__ XeonSquared Hobby_boy s7r pseubodot internat vamiry iter lel- subzero79 Asoka cydrobolt chen LoR |
| 01:11.00 | Unabomber | WHO LIKES ANAL?? quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: Mmike HeOS shtirlic chaology CyberJacob Nik05 Carno deadgekko churnd towo^work Ring0`` berndj Puckel_ Messenger_bird cybrNaut kInOzAwA xand RUDE elik_ NickyP GNUtoo-irssi aaro wingman2 TheCoffeMaker iViLe pingveno APexil Qrc^ colttt kisser McLive negev Buumi Rhuarc or4n_ lchlan Sir_Designer dupondje Hobby_boy infernix ribasushi gtt jandrusk tremolo edwardly heinrich5991 Nd-969-M tolecnal gareth__ ToeSnacks |
| 01:11.00 | Unabomber | WHO LIKES ANAL?? quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: vlegout_ like2k1 zarkos EmleyMoor lohenpaa nbastin XeonSquared SwK superkulak doubledutch ramshadow thoros G4st0n kirkland blitzed wingman2 davimore jback ceptor _systemd_is_evil gre Hijiri Apeiron` bismilah bitblit nurupo mzf whiskey9 blackwell Nd-969-M plicease ephemer0l codebam adamus1red cmam_ israfel dbristow aerbax smurfd_ czer00 r0r0 awdfew3roi kh4| Ekchu ghost43 Devastator Buumi tvsutton danoldlib |
| 01:11.19 | codebam | lol |
| 01:12.03 | sim590 | They never stop ;) |
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| 01:13.35 | sim590 | They know all of us, IRC users, are eager to see a notification coming from our IRC client. And we get to the chat with a disappointment. |
| 01:14.43 | waynr | i don't like anal |
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| 01:15.28 | Tonk | waynr, giving or receiving? |
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| 01:17.34 | juantelez | sim590: haha |
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| 01:24.01 | dirac1 | Bough cheap vps 10$ yearly with 1GB and 1Tb BW, what to do? |
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| 01:28.53 | LambdaComplex | dirac1: well, first would be tell me where you got one that cheap |
| 01:28.56 | LambdaComplex | :P |
| 01:29.10 | dirac1 | lowendbox.com |
| 01:29.14 | LambdaComplex | wait, is that 1TB bandwidth yearly? or is that monthly? |
| 01:29.22 | dirac1 | monthly. |
| 01:30.06 | LambdaComplex | certainly tempting |
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| 01:30.54 | veek | how does pulseaudio start? |
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| 01:33.10 | veek | i have it # in /etc/systemd/system/pulseaudio.service, but in deb-9 it's starts magically |
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| 01:44.20 | wfio | Hello - did anyone see my post last night about your CD-ROM installer bug (9.0.1)? It's still not fixed. |
| 01:47.06 | tw | veek: /etc/xdg/autostart probably. |
| 01:50.55 | veek | tw, so how do i get it to work with firefox.. |
| 01:51.09 | veek | pulseaudio -D --realtime --system --disallow-module-loading --disallow-exit --no-cpu-limit |
| 01:51.20 | veek | is how it's running, currently |
| 01:52.06 | veek | also how is xdg overriding systemctl .. |
| 01:52.46 | tw | it isn't, it runs as a login command. |
| 01:52.54 | tw | Oh, system. Weird. |
| 01:53.00 | tw | I don't know, that's odd. |
| 01:53.51 | dunderproto | Has anyone successfully been able to get 2 SIP clients to connect when both are behind firewalls? |
| 01:54.20 | dunderproto | behind NAT firewalls* |
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| 01:55.48 | veek | tw oh well cured - kill'd it and ran manually |
| 01:56.26 | dunderproto | hooray, it worked |
| 01:56.35 | dunderproto | I set the stun server and now it works. OK, nevermind |
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| 02:09.33 | BenderRodriguez | Who made the fatal mistake of pinging me |
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| 02:14.49 | wfio | any ideas about why the CD-ROM bug fix (9.0.1) isn't actually fixed? It's still presenting the same issues during VM installation and as local OS. |
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| 03:50.33 | waterCreature | hi, hidden drive is showing up on the desktop |
| 03:50.36 | waterCreature | please help |
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| 04:47.01 | domovoy | hi |
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| 04:50.09 | domovoy | i'm playing with live-build, and i'd like to provide the user with the possibility to select it keyboard layout and language at startup. "dpkg-reconfigure locales keyboard-configuration; setupcon" should do the trick, but where do i start that? I'm thinking either .profile or an init script, but is an interactive init script something i should do? |
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| 04:53.47 | jmcnaught | domovoy: what if you just have a message on login about how to change the language settings? |
| 04:53.59 | jmcnaught | i definitely wouldn't do an interactive init script |
| 04:54.17 | klys | domovoy, the init program is there for you to learn and toy with. modifying bash scripts would just prohibit interaction by the user. |
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| 04:56.28 | domovoy | jmcnaught> a message is a nice idea, but what about the keyboard? i can tel the user to type "some_command", but if he can't find the keys on his keyboard, that won't be of any help |
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| 04:59.02 | domovoy | so i'm thinking, .profile, and create a file "~/.keyboard_init" after first successful config, and check that file existance in .profile so that it is asked only one time. Does that make sense? |
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| 05:02.56 | domovoy | or maybe i should make that a live-config component... |
| 05:03.21 | jmcnaught | i don't know a lot about live-build really, but the interactive init script sounds like hell |
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| 05:17.52 | domovoy | jmcnaught> it sure does, that was just a thought (a bad one) |
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| 05:38.33 | dnazilla | I need a minimal distribution for an apache web server. Would prefer to stick to a debian distro. I was thinking puppy or ubuntu mate? any advice? |
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| 05:39.04 | jmcnaught | just use Debian |
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| 05:44.12 | nkuttler | hm, is there a tool to keep packages on two systems in sync? like dpkg --get-selections, but with exact versions? |
| 05:44.44 | nkuttler | or should i rather do that on an apt proxy level.. |
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| 05:47.13 | Jodgsh | I am running Debian 9, all logs are double. How do I solve this? |
| 05:47.22 | nkuttler | double? |
| 05:47.54 | Jodgsh | Yes |
| 05:48.00 | nkuttler | what does that mean? |
| 05:48.37 | Jodgsh | Well, in all logs e.g. mail.log or auth.log all lines are double |
| 05:48.55 | nkuttler | sounds like a syslog misconfig? |
| 05:49.08 | Jodgsh | I changed nothing |
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| 05:49.15 | nkuttler | well, somebody did |
| 05:49.48 | Jodgsh | It is a fresh server, I only installed postfix |
| 05:50.05 | Jodgsh | Where do I configure syslog |
| 05:50.32 | nkuttler | who installed the server? using which image? |
| 05:50.57 | nkuttler | Jodgsh: by default, man 5 rsyslog.conf |
| 05:51.07 | Jodgsh | I, using the image available at debian.org |
| 05:51.29 | nkuttler | Jodgsh: how are you looking at the logs? |
| 05:51.37 | Jodgsh | Nano... |
| 05:51.59 | nkuttler | Jodgsh: well, just to make sure it's not a display problem, open an xterm and cat the file i guess.. |
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| 05:52.07 | nkuttler | this sounds most unusual.. |
| 05:52.44 | nkuttler | Jodgsh: also check pgrep -a syslog |
| 05:54.54 | Jodgsh | Still double |
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| 05:56.28 | Jodsh | Still double |
| 05:58.24 | maher | Jodsh: try systemctl status syslog to see if systemd thinks everything is ok |
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| 05:59.49 | nkuttler | it would also help to see an example of those doube lines |
| 06:00.21 | Jodsh | liblogging-stdlog[1201]: action 'action 9' suspended, next retry |
| 06:00.33 | Jodsh | I have a lot of these |
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| 06:00.47 | nkuttler | Jodsh: paste.debian.net, and entire file, and tell us which file it is |
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| 06:04.29 | Jodsh | I can't do that now, I am mobile. I will come here again in a few hours |
| 06:04.38 | Jodsh | module(load="imuxsock") # provides support for local system logging module(load="imklog") # provides kernel logging support |
| 06:05.01 | Jodsh | Is that normal? |
| 06:05.24 | AlexLikeRock | -.- |
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| 06:06.10 | AlexLikeRock | Jodsh, http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/v8-stable/configuration/modules/imuxsock.html |
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| 06:12.07 | moriartyx | hello) |
| 06:13.40 | AlexLikeRock | hi moriartyx , welcome |
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| 06:28.22 | hobomatic | what is the purpose of the 'script' argument to debootstrap? Does it provide some sort of special environment to the script passed? |
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| 06:30.24 | hobomatic | I'm trying to build a debian install from arch, and I am bumping up against assumptions about the environment (specifically for apt to work in a chroot). and the [[SCRIPT]] arg in the man page isn't really documented |
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| 06:33.43 | TomG2 | you can try reading the source to debootstrap, but I suspect that script is just something that's run when the rest of the program is done |
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| 06:35.17 | Atm0spher1c | hobomatic, maybe ask debian-next or debian-mentors on oftc? Also checkout grml-debootstrap, and cdebootstrap. |
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| 06:36.45 | hobomatic | will do. I think my main issue is that I am trying to do this from Arch using the arch deboostrap package. I should probably just do a normal debian install from a livecd |
| 06:36.50 | Atm0spher1c | hobomatic, TomG2 might be right about that. But last time I use grml-deboostrap and was running scripts pre and post install. |
| 06:37.29 | Atm0spher1c | hobomatic, well it should work from another system |
| 06:37.46 | hobomatic | it works fine, until i chroot |
| 06:38.00 | hobomatic | and try to use apt in the chroot |
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| 06:39.41 | password2 | ponders what will be his easiest way to install debian to a new hdd |
| 06:40.14 | hobomatic | the man page for deboostrap has an example script, but that script seems off. It writes to the host /etc/fstab before chrooting, and that doesn't make sense |
| 06:41.07 | martin-_-_ | hi there, I successfully installed gcc4 in /opt/gcc-4/ but I'm not sure which path I should set for LD_Libary_Path so that the new gcc version will be used |
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| 06:42.12 | Atm0spher1c | hobomatic, what does apt tell you? |
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| 06:43.37 | hobomatic | it says: dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable |
| 06:43.39 | hobomatic | dpkg: warning: 'start-stop-daemon' not found in PATH or not executable |
| 06:43.39 | dpkg | hobomatic: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 06:43.41 | hobomatic | dpkg: error: 2 expected programs not found in PATH or not executable |
| 06:43.43 | hobomatic | Note: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin |
| 06:43.45 | hobomatic | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
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| 06:44.11 | hobomatic | well mr dpkgs, thats all thats there |
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| 06:45.40 | Atm0spher1c | hobomatic, check path and also google those. https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap and check also check out multistrap from aur |
| 06:46.33 | hobomatic | its weird. I passed --merged-usr (so toplevel stuff symlinks to /usr/*) and /usr/bin and /usr/sbin/ are in my path |
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| 06:47.06 | hobomatic | but yeah i'll throw it at google and see what sticks |
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| 06:48.42 | password2 | can i burn the debian iso to a small partition on my ssd , then boot to that and install it to the other partition? |
| 06:50.06 | hobomatic | i've done it... with a windows cd. I think it mostly depends on whether your bios is willing to boot syslinux/whatever from a fixed disk |
| 06:50.08 | Atm0spher1c | password2, yes but why? |
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| 06:50.55 | password2 | because I'm getting a new ssd and want to install the new debian stable on it |
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| 06:51.32 | Atm0spher1c | if you don't have spare usb, go for it |
| 06:51.56 | password2 | I have no idea where my usb currently is |
| 06:52.53 | password2 | how far ahead is testing from stable? |
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| 06:55.41 | hobomatic | OK, i fixed my issue by cleaning up my PATH. apparently having non-existent directories in it interferes with dpkg |
| 06:55.56 | Atm0spher1c | password2, upstream goes to unstable and testing is days or even weeks behind that |
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| 06:57.59 | password2 | yeah , I'm pondering either testing or stable for my desktop |
| 06:58.15 | Atm0spher1c | password2, if you're experienced just use unstable |
| 06:58.18 | password2 | not anything newer as it requires too many updates |
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| 06:59.32 | Atm0spher1c | password2, depending on what you're running, testing can be broken for a while, so sometimes you'll have to pull things in from unstable |
| 06:59.40 | offsecOS-28490 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:00.04 | hobomatic | uh oh |
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| 07:00.20 | Atm0spher1c | lol |
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| 07:00.50 | hobomatic | poor offsec0S-28490 |
| 07:00.57 | password2 | yeah , and stable can lag months with some features |
| 07:00.59 | password2 | :D |
| 07:01.11 | Atm0spher1c | hence stable |
| 07:01.22 | Atm0spher1c | password2, https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html#id-1.9.10.8 |
| 07:01.23 | password2 | like my squid that does not yet do websockets |
| 07:02.13 | password2 | is the rank of /newness/ upstream > unstable > testing > stable ? |
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| 07:02.51 | Atm0spher1c | i don't understand. In that order, yes. |
| 07:03.13 | Atm0spher1c | password2, actually, there is experimental |
| 07:03.15 | password2 | ok cool |
| 07:03.21 | Atm0spher1c | before unstable |
| 07:03.28 | Atm0spher1c | sometimes |
| 07:03.32 | password2 | yeah i def dont want that |
| 07:03.42 | Atm0spher1c | sometimes, you do :) |
| 07:04.23 | Atm0spher1c | if this is production server, then you want stable |
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| 07:06.42 | password2 | Atm0spher1c: i got 8Gb monthly cap |
| 07:06.51 | password2 | so i cant fix things too often |
| 07:06.56 | password2 | or dl updates |
| 07:07.31 | password2 | so the less stable version i have the more times I'll be forced to use updates to fix something |
| 07:07.51 | password2 | btw how well does debian support hte new ryzen? |
| 07:08.06 | Atm0spher1c | password2, what os you use now? |
| 07:08.32 | password2 | debian |
| 07:08.33 | Atm0spher1c | password2, not sure, I think that's up to the kernel |
| 07:08.38 | password2 | i THINK testing |
| 07:08.58 | password2 | my microserver runs stable debian 7 |
| 07:09.13 | password2 | my desktop is kept a bit more up to date |
| 07:09.27 | password2 | and today i get my first ssd :D |
| 07:09.47 | hobomatic | is working on a gpg key server on a mintbox-mini |
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| 07:09.54 | Atm0spher1c | password2, you're not forced to update. But software gets updated. New features, bug/security fixes. It depends. |
| 07:10.14 | Atm0spher1c | Along with stable, I also run unstable with a bit of experimental. |
| 07:10.19 | Atm0spher1c | it works |
| 07:11.05 | Atm0spher1c | If you couldn't run unstable, then you couldn't run any rolling distro (arch, tumbleweed, etc.) |
| 07:11.32 | Atm0spher1c | sounds like you need to play around more and break things in a vm tho. GL |
| 07:12.07 | password2 | Atm0spher1c: wel like i said , i dont have loads of bandwidth to play around |
| 07:12.14 | password2 | i basically can only dl at work |
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| 07:24.22 | password2 | and i dont have time |
| 07:24.54 | password2 | call me old fashion , but i should not be spending half my time figuring out my OS , thats why i chose debian |
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| 07:25.30 | BenediktXVII | Good morning |
| 07:26.03 | password2 | unless you like doing that |
| 07:26.13 | password2 | good morning BenediktXVII |
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| 07:26.33 | cheapie | password2: I do, which is why I'm running unstable :P |
| 07:27.03 | cheapie | (that's one of my favorite things about Debian - that it offers these sorts of choices in the first place) |
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| 07:27.14 | Atm0spher1c | password2, well if you want stability, that's what stable is for |
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| 07:27.30 | password2 | but i want dem features too :P |
| 07:27.30 | Atm0spher1c | software/computers don't work that way. |
| 07:27.38 | Atm0spher1c | doesn't work like that |
| 07:27.44 | Frogmorton | Hi wheres the best place for help on getting motion to auto-start at bootup? I followed instructions for Debian on some web page, but it won't let me connect to it via http. If I kill the process and start it via sudo then it works correctly. |
| 07:27.56 | password2 | Atm0spher1c: ofc it does |
| 07:27.58 | Atm0spher1c | I always tell ppl, stay away from computers if you don't want to put the work in |
| 07:28.05 | password2 | stability is not a boolean value |
| 07:28.19 | password2 | Atm0spher1c: computers arte not unique to that |
| 07:28.20 | Atm0spher1c | password2, if you want new features, its not stable |
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| 07:28.34 | password2 | well new is not a binary value either |
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| 07:28.53 | password2 | HOW stable and HOW new is a big factor |
| 07:28.56 | Atm0spher1c | what? it's either new or it's not |
| 07:29.20 | password2 | is it new for 1second , millisecond , hour , day , week , month? |
| 07:29.22 | Atm0spher1c | well unstable means changing, not that it will melt down |
| 07:29.46 | password2 | yeah and occasionally things breaks |
| 07:29.46 | Atm0spher1c | this is a semantic issue i think; language barrier |
| 07:30.59 | password2 | ok let me offer you the converse |
| 07:31.14 | Atm0spher1c | nah |
| 07:31.20 | password2 | if people using stable only want stability , why make new versions of stable? |
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| 07:32.02 | Frogmorton | Stable gets security updates, is one reason |
| 07:32.42 | Atm0spher1c | not sure he understands what's happening, but okay |
| 07:33.06 | password2 | ok , but I'm talking new versions , ie I'm on version 7 of stable and now 9 is out |
| 07:33.23 | Atm0spher1c | password2, you're on old-old-stable |
| 07:33.38 | Atm0spher1c | it's not supported anymore i think |
| 07:33.40 | password2 | security sure , but you cant possibly tell me it only is security |
| 07:33.54 | Frogmorton | Because major changes to a whole lotta packages went thru unstable and testing states, until a long-term-support state was reached |
| 07:33.56 | password2 | Atm0spher1c: yeah , like i cited , bandwidth |
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| 07:34.12 | password2 | Frogmorton: i understand that |
| 07:34.44 | Atm0spher1c | password2, i don't know your sitution, but figure it out. stop trolling. use free wifi or w/e to counter bandwidth issue. |
| 07:35.02 | utente | hi dudes, i need to install a minimal debian 9 (only CLI) onto a pc off line. i need onlu the fist CD but on debian.org are present only netinst or dvd iso. i need CD iso. where can i find? |
| 07:35.02 | password2 | i try to |
| 07:35.13 | password2 | but I'm definitely not trolling |
| 07:35.29 | password2 | and citing that someone is trolling is a poor manner to end an convesation in |
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| 07:36.35 | Atm0spher1c | if you're confused, or don't understand, read and experiment more |
| 07:37.25 | cef | The main reason that older releases aren't supported is manpower. Maintaining code and packages takes time. At some point you need to let go. |
| 07:37.28 | password2 | I'm not confused |
| 07:37.32 | Frogmorton | If you want the minimalist approach, have you tried Puppy Linux (does that still exist?) |
| 07:37.41 | password2 | cef: yeah |
| 07:38.13 | Atm0spher1c | last time i check i could not find any way to verify puppy linux isos |
| 07:38.32 | Atm0spher1c | debian is quite minimalist |
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| 07:38.56 | Atm0spher1c | can be |
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| 07:39.10 | cef | The second reason is that some stuff is just broken by design, and new things have come along and replaced it. Making new stuff work like old stuff sometimes just isn't possible, which makes it really hard to support stuff indefinitely. |
| 07:39.45 | Atm0spher1c | things change, which is why new stable comes out |
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| 07:40.50 | Frogmorton | Its a bit like MS not wanting to support XP. There has to be a cut-off point |
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| 07:42.00 | cef | Frogmorton: ... except that debian is a community project and many/most people aren't paid to work on it, which makes it harder. |
| 07:42.21 | domovoy_ | playing with live-build. Added a hook to live-config that runs "dpkg-reconfigure -p medium locales". The hook is run, but dpkg-reconfigure doesn't ask anything. I guess that has to do with live-config running early in the boot process (console not setup?), any idea on the "right way" to run a dpkg-reconfigure at boot? |
| 07:42.21 | Frogmorton | As a bad example, applications written to run on python 2.7, until the developers switch to python 3. Who's gonna volunteer to maintain a deb package for the old version? |
| 07:42.23 | password2 | cef i get that |
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| 07:42.46 | BenediktXVII | Is there a specific debian iso for servers ? I think the download section on the debian site is rather confusing ... :/ |
| 07:42.54 | dax | BenediktXVII: no |
| 07:43.11 | Frogmorton | Usually the installer has options for server features, desktop, both etc |
| 07:43.23 | dax | if your machine has internet connectivity that works with debian installer, get the netinstall ISO for your processor architecture |
| 07:43.24 | password2 | BenediktXVII: for production server , consider stable |
| 07:43.29 | dax | if it does not, get a CD or DVD image |
| 07:43.31 | dax | boom, done |
| 07:43.47 | Atm0spher1c | BenediktXVII, fuck man, it is confusing isn't it? |
| 07:43.47 | password2 | oh yeah , netinstall , never have used that one |
| 07:43.52 | utente | dax, there are not CD image for offline installing. |
| 07:44.01 | Atm0spher1c | the $$$ man (for design) |
| 07:44.02 | utente | at least i did nto find on debian.org |
| 07:44.22 | Atm0spher1c | BenediktXVII, check out netinstall (or mini.iso) :) |
| 07:44.42 | dax | utente: alrighty. well, that makes things even simpler then :P |
| 07:45.09 | BenediktXVII | For those that didn't follow up on my story I need to setup an AD domain server. So probably with samba 4 and openldap |
| 07:45.22 | utente | simprer the hell, i need to install debian CLI on offline pc, and no presence of CD iso make me not possible to do. |
| 07:45.23 | BenediktXVII | so I was wondering wether there was a precompiled image |
| 07:45.42 | utente | (download dvd image is a pain and i dont need all those gibi. |
| 07:45.51 | cef | goes back to waiting for stretch-backports. ;) |
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| 07:47.09 | password2 | Active Directory? |
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| 07:47.24 | password2 | or another AD? |
| 07:47.55 | BenediktXVII | password2: Active Directory for windows workstations |
| 07:48.10 | password2 | can you set tha up on linux? |
| 07:48.28 | BenediktXVII | problem is that MS licensing scheles are expensive and crooked |
| 07:48.31 | password2 | i thought its so far up windows that you cant basically host it on anything else? |
| 07:48.50 | cef | samba4 will act as an AD. |
| 07:48.51 | password2 | BenediktXVII: lesss so than redhat? |
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| 07:49.09 | password2 | oh , interesting |
| 07:50.16 | Silmaril | BenediktXVII: you don't need openldap with samba4 iirc, samba4 include it's own ldap service with the required modifications for AD |
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| 07:51.38 | BenediktXVII | the needs are the following: be able to remotely install software on the workstations, manage user sessions, users have to be able to login from any workstation, so user sessions have to be stored on server, the Xerox workcenter has to be shared and new workstations have to be set up directly from the server with a disk image. |
| 07:51.50 | Silmaril | as for MS licensing, well they might be expensive sure, but hey that's up to them, but still they allow a whole bunch of people to eat and live... |
| 07:51.55 | BenediktXVII | Silmaril: ok, didn't know samba had it's own LDAP |
| 07:52.25 | BenediktXVII | Silmaril: it's a non-profit organization ;) |
| 07:52.54 | BenediktXVII | Silmaril: and even with edu pricing a windows server license would be too expensive. |
| 07:54.02 | Silmaril | depending on the size and "visibility" of the NPO they might do something on this point, but anyway debian is fine and samba4 work |
| 07:54.22 | Silmaril | probably not 100% as an "original" AD however |
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| 07:54.58 | Silmaril | "new workstations have to be set up directly from the server with a disk image." => that's not the AD role |
| 07:55.10 | BenediktXVII | as long as it suits our needs that's fine. Now the big question is, how complicated is it to setup.... |
| 07:56.00 | BenediktXVII | Silmaril: I was merely citing our needs |
| 07:56.07 | Silmaril | and as far as i know that is either *very* complicated to set-up with the provided "bare" MS tool, or *very* expensive for an easy to use solution (dell's version was around 10k) |
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| 07:57.00 | Silmaril | However if you use debian on the workstation a PXE install is quite easy to build and might be fully automated |
| 07:57.17 | BenediktXVII | Silmaril: workstations run on windows 8.1 enterprise. unfortunately that is a requirement |
| 07:57.20 | Silmaril | also you won't have to use samba |
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| 07:57.59 | BenediktXVII | Silmaril: and there are 24 workstations, 4-6 laptops and about 200-300 people loging in with their smartphones on the public network |
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| 07:58.57 | Silmaril | BenediktXVII: personnally when i hear that kind of thing "we want windows" and "we don't wan't to pay MS" i find the thing ... laughable (i'm sorry not native english so might not be the best word) |
| 07:59.08 | BenediktXVII | Silmaril: Windows on the workstation is a requirement, because for the video workshops they use adobe suite and also for security individual machines use symantec EPP |
| 07:59.28 | Silmaril | yes, so when they wan't they can find money |
| 07:59.45 | Silmaril | that's all that i say |
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| 07:59.53 | Silmaril | s/wan't/want/ |
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| 07:59.57 | BenediktXVII | Silmaril: adobe suite costs us 20 ⬠per month |
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| 08:00.05 | BenediktXVII | Silmaril: native language ? |
| 08:00.10 | Silmaril | french |
| 08:00.21 | BenediktXVII | Silmaril: on peut continuer en Français alors ;) |
| 08:00.34 | nkuttler | !fr |
| 08:00.34 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr. |
| 08:00.40 | BenediktXVII | lol |
| 08:00.46 | BenediktXVII | ok nkuttler |
| 08:00.48 | Silmaril | but not here apparently ;) |
| 08:01.30 | BenediktXVII | Silmaril: problem with non-profits in belgium is that we are mostly dependent on state subsidies. |
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| 08:02.38 | BenediktXVII | We have a windows licensing scheme for workstations because we have an agreement with MS for education. We are a "centre de jeunesse". |
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| 08:54.36 | cef | Are my eyes shot or is the favicon.ico different on www.debian.org vs lists.debian.org and packages.debian.org? |
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| 08:56.45 | cef | huh.. yup it's different, and the one on www.debian.org is larger. |
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| 09:14.44 | Frogmorton | I followed some instructions to configure motion in /etc/motion/motion.conf and set it to run as a daemon in /etc/motion/default, but the http stream gets blocked or disabled or something. If I start it myself using sudo it streams ok. What am I missing? |
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| 09:23.13 | goiken | noob questoin here. I got ~ 0.5G on /dev/sda, 2G on sdb and empty 3G on sdc. Iâd like to dd the sda and sdb into sdc1 and sdc2 respectively for backup purposes. what needs to be done here? |
| 09:26.30 | goiken | so that when I want to restore things, Iâd just do dd from sdc1 to sdx, where sdx is my fresh replacemnt for sda |
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| 09:28.20 | Frogmorton | Have you looked at these backup options? https://wiki.debian.org/BackupAndRecovery |
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| 09:31.59 | Frogmorton | Not sure if you can use dd to copy a live partition, does it need to be unmounted first? |
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| 09:34.36 | celyr | Frogmorton, answer is yo or nes |
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| 09:35.02 | celyr | Frogmorton, while it's obviously better to unmount a partition or remount ro |
| 09:36.01 | celyr | Frogmorton, you can actually take a live copy knowing it will be corrupted (like when you pull off the current) but if there is no IO and you synced you can be pretty confident that fsck will fix it |
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| 09:36.30 | teraflops | Frogmorton: you can try... there's no guarantee the copy is fine. maybe you can fix it with fsck or maybe not |
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| 09:37.36 | celyr | goiken, that said if you remount ro, and then use dd you can make an image of everything, but be informed that the size of the output will be the same of the input disk not of the data utilization on that disk |
| 09:37.37 | Frogmorton | I think i would be happier booting from a gparted cd and using partclone |
| 09:37.54 | celyr | why not just remount ro |
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| 09:38.17 | one_over | When I try to compile gcc from source I get this error configure: error: cannot find install-sh, install.sh, or shtool in "." "./.." "./../.." |
| 09:38.19 | teraflops | because people like it complicated |
| 09:38.36 | goiken | Frogmorton I could boot from a stick and unmount everything before I dd⦠|
| 09:38.47 | celyr | looks at the sky |
| 09:39.08 | celyr | whatever |
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| 09:40.03 | Frogmorton | I think partclone will only backup used blocks in the partition, may save you time |
| 09:40.07 | celyr | also why not copy directly from sda to the fresh replacement |
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| 09:40.50 | celyr | if you don't what to make a direct copy why not use rsync ? |
| 09:40.58 | celyr | questions questions all around |
| 09:41.25 | teraflops | rsync saves you time too... |
| 09:42.17 | teraflops | anyway there are a lot of approaches |
| 09:42.43 | goiken | Frogmorton those all seem to backup directories right� I want to backup whole disks, because if I want to start afresh I need my boot partition, my home-partition, etc just in the same structure as I have it right now. having them in seperate directories would require me to refidle everything onto its proper partition, right? or can I rsync sda iself for example? |
| 09:43.20 | Frogmorton | No partclone does partition save & restore |
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| 09:44.02 | goiken | Frogmorton k, thx. |
| 09:44.24 | one_over | it's better to compress it to a tar file and then unpack it later |
| 09:44.50 | celyr | goiken, Please focus. You can use 2 approaches: dd -> you make image of the whole disk, partition structure, filesystem, data, empty data, everything it's an image, rsync -> you copy the files around, you have to have a destination with partitions and filesystems already defined |
| 09:45.05 | teraflops | tar a raw disc copy? |
| 09:45.06 | Frogmorton | (sometimes I'm not in the mood for command-line and a gparted gui helps get things sorted) |
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| 09:45.26 | goiken | celyr yes⦠thatâs why my initial intuition was that dd is the tool Iâd want here |
| 09:45.32 | teraflops | also tar does not compress |
| 09:45.45 | celyr | goiken, that's true if you have a destination of the same size of the source |
| 09:45.53 | goiken | celyr question is: how to dd two disks onto one? |
| 09:45.58 | goiken | (and back) |
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| 09:46.07 | celyr | goiken, of=can_be_a_file.img |
| 09:46.18 | celyr | but it will be big, same size of disk. |
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| 09:46.42 | goiken | so I need to convert sda to an image first? |
| 09:47.09 | celyr | goiken, you can't copy a disk into a partition |
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| 09:47.11 | celyr | it's evil |
| 09:47.34 | celyr | you can dd if=/dev/sda | gzip > file.img.gz anyway |
| 09:47.36 | goiken | so I canât dd from sda into sdc1? |
| 09:47.39 | teraflops | one_over: hmm I've seen raw images compressed to gz and they indeed save a lot of space |
| 09:47.41 | celyr | goiken, no |
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| 09:48.01 | goiken | celyr that sounds nice |
| 09:48.02 | celyr | goiken, well technically you can but then you will probably not be able to come back |
| 09:48.10 | teraflops | goiken: ugh nope |
| 09:48.46 | goiken | and the reverse then? `gunzip file.img.gz| dd of=/dev/sdx` � |
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| 09:49.31 | petn-randall | goiken: 'gunzip file.img.gz > /dev/sdx' shoudl be enough. |
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| 09:50.08 | celyr | goiken, still this is a good approach if you are getting the very same disk for sda and it's not a SSD |
| 09:50.12 | goiken | ok⦠and I need to unmount sda o do the first, right? |
| 09:50.25 | goiken | sda is an ssd and sdb is not. |
| 09:50.27 | celyr | if you have a SSD or the disk is different I suggest you different approach |
| 09:50.43 | goiken | sdc is no ssd, as well. |
| 09:50.54 | celyr | goiken, you are going to replace sda right ? |
| 09:51.10 | celyr | goiken, is the replacement the very same disk ? same vendor, same size, same model ? |
| 09:51.11 | goiken | maybe⦠I mainly want to backup sda and sdb onto sdc |
| 09:51.24 | goiken | if things go south, Iâd likt to replace them, yes. |
| 09:51.35 | celyr | okay, then dd an image in my opinions is a bad choice |
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| 09:51.52 | teraflops | why? |
| 09:52.17 | celyr | teraflops, because you need an hd with the same geometry ? |
| 09:52.27 | teraflops | if sdc is large enough you can save both raw images there |
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| 09:52.39 | celyr | goiken, have a look at dump. |
| 09:52.57 | goiken | Iâm afraid I have to leave in ~10m. should have realized that before asking ;-). but Iâll be back to check for answers then. |
| 09:53.02 | goiken | celyr ok. |
| 09:53.06 | teraflops | then you restore from sdc to the borked discs |
| 09:53.51 | celyr | dump restore also allow you to do incremental backups and it's a all around backup solution built in in your debian |
| 09:53.56 | celyr | "just use the right tool" |
| 09:54.30 | goiken | long manpage is long ;-) |
| 09:55.03 | Frogmorton | And also check out http://gparted.org/livecd.php |
| 09:56.05 | goiken | celyr from what I understand itâs only for ext2/3 |
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| 09:57.13 | goiken | I have fat32 on /boot/efi which is sda1; ext2 on /boot which is sda2; and crypt-luks on sda3 |
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| 09:58.15 | goiken | I could use it for my sdb, which is ext3 only, though. would prefer though to have one tool for both. |
| 09:58.57 | goiken | anyway⦠gotta go now⦠thx for the suggestions and Iâll check back later. |
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| 10:00.45 | celyr | goiken, works also for ext4 |
| 10:01.06 | one_over | is it possible to pipe dpkg --list to a text file? |
| 10:01.26 | towo^work | sure dpkg --list > textfile |
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| 10:19.22 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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| 10:21.35 | donoban | Hi, I'm trying to use apt-get source but after enabling deb-src entries on sources.list I'm getting this error when I run apt-get update: |
| 10:21.47 | donoban | W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/main/jessie/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.132.204 80] |
| 10:21.57 | donoban | I've tried with different mirrors |
| 10:22.37 | donoban | I'm using: deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian main/jessie main contrib non-free , is it right? |
| 10:23.03 | donoban | ouch, probably main/jessie should be jessie |
| 10:24.12 | donoban | lol, it works fine now |
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| 10:25.56 | BluesKaj | donoban, install apt-src if this is your intent https://wiki.debian.org/apt-src |
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| 10:27.40 | donoban | I just want to test a small patch on a package, it seems ok with apt-get source and apt-get build-dep but I will try if I have problems, ty BluesKaj |
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| 10:28.22 | BluesKaj | donoban, ok, understood |
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| 10:49.48 | Highwayman | Hello people |
| 10:50.04 | Highwayman | how many of you are also on the irc.oftc.net #debian channel? |
| 10:50.18 | Highwayman | I will repeat the spam here in case anyone missed it there |
| 10:50.26 | Highwayman | commences to spam |
| 10:50.40 | Highwayman | I was a highwayman. Along the coach roads I did ride, with sword and pistol by my side |
| 10:50.55 | Highwayman | Many a young maid lost her baubles to my trade. Many a soldier shed his lifeblood on my blade |
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| 10:51.02 | Highwayman | The bastards hung me in the spring of twenty-five, but I am still alive. |
| 10:51.11 | Highwayman | I was a sailor. I was born upon the tide, and with the sea I did abide. |
| 10:51.16 | Frogmorton | Is there a debian question in that? |
| 10:51.25 | Highwayman | I sailed a schooner round the Horn to Mexico. I went aloft and furled the mainsail in a blow |
| 10:51.28 | Highwayman | Frogmorton: no |
| 10:51.36 | Highwayman | its just awesome music lyrics |
| 10:51.39 | Highwayman | And when the yards broke off they said that I got killed, but I am living still. |
| 10:51.47 | Highwayman | i picked it as my theme song |
| 10:51.51 | Highwayman | I was a dam builder across the river deep and wide, where steel and water did collide |
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| 10:52.05 | Highwayman | A place called Boulder on the wild Colorado, I slipped and fell into the wet concrete below |
| 10:52.13 | Highwayman | They buried me in that great tomb that knows no sound, but I am still around |
| 10:52.22 | Highwayman | I'll always be around..and around and around and around and around |
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| 10:52.37 | Highwayman | I fly a starship across the Universe divide, and when I reach the other side |
| 10:52.48 | Highwayman | I'll find a place to rest my spirit if I can. Perhaps I may become a highwayman again |
| 10:52.59 | Highwayman | Or I may simply be a single drop of rain, but I will remain |
| 10:53.09 | Highwayman | And I'll be back again, and again and again and again and again.. |
| 10:53.37 | Highwayman | any guess why I picked that particular song to spam about? |
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| 10:55.01 | BluesKaj | what's your point, Highwayman? |
| 10:55.36 | Highwayman | BluesKaj: it's a song about reincarnation, basically. And geeknerd has many incarnations |
| 10:55.42 | Highwayman | yeah thats right, i'm geeknerd |
| 10:55.47 | Highwayman | hear the name and tremble |
| 10:55.48 | Highwayman | suckers |
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| 10:56.03 | Highwayman | im the greatest ban evading sockpuppeteer in the history of irc |
| 10:56.40 | BluesKaj | who cares |
| 10:57.01 | Highwayman | your mom does |
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| 10:57.10 | Highwayman | she was so impressed she had sex with me |
| 10:57.41 | BluesKaj | another idiot |
| 10:57.58 | Highwayman | yes, she is |
| 10:58.08 | BluesKaj | we get them all the time |
| 10:58.10 | Highwayman | that's why i did not let her cum. i pulled out |
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| 10:58.35 | pingfloyd | what does any of this have to do with debian? |
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| 10:59.23 | Highwayman | pingfloyd: nothing! |
| 10:59.42 | Highwayman | thats why its SPAM |
| 10:59.42 | BluesKaj | where's an op when we need one |
| 10:59.55 | Highwayman | !ops lol |
| 10:59.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: highwayman complains about: lol |
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| 11:00.08 | Highwayman | BluesKaj: that may help |
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| 11:00.30 | BluesKaj | yeah , goodbye |
| 11:00.48 | RichiH | Highwayman: please stop |
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| 11:02.04 | Highwayman | sorry |
| 11:02.29 | Highwayman | RichiH: don't you sometimes wish you were still freenode staff? |
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| 11:04.06 | BluesKaj | well he got his 5 mins of negative attention |
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| 11:17.05 | amosbird | hi, how can I make my dnsmasq server always name to foo? |
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| 11:28.11 | jaydemir | on an Intel machine, if I use the lm-sensors program, I can see accurate CPU temps. It isn't so accurate on my AMD CPU though. Is there another program I can use? |
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| 11:36.56 | wt3c36 | jaydemir: lm-sensors relies on the sensor values reported by the hardware / hwmon drivers. so i doubt another program will work better, it likely is a hardware or driver limitation. you can check /sys/class/hwmon/* in sysfs to see the raw values reported by the drivers. |
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| 11:57.33 | BenediktXVII | Are there companies providing professional support for Debian ? |
| 11:57.44 | BenediktXVII | Like the Ubuntu Advantage plans ? |
| 11:58.21 | petn-randall | BenediktXVII: Many companies do that. Are you looking for one? |
| 11:58.31 | BenediktXVII | yes, in Belgium |
| 11:58.43 | BenediktXVII | I tried to search it, but didn't find anything |
| 11:58.57 | missmbob | BenediktXVII: https://www.debian.org/consultants/#BE |
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| 11:59.26 | petn-randall | ^^^ currently down for me :/ |
| 11:59.38 | BenediktXVII | thanks. In all honesty, I find the Debian website very counter-intuitive |
| 11:59.46 | BenediktXVII | yup, link doesn't work |
| 12:00.02 | petn-randall | Might be a problem wir the CDN. Check back in half an hour or so. |
| 12:00.09 | petn-randall | *with |
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| 12:00.34 | missmbob | there's always problems with the CDN with some host being down. just how the site is |
| 12:00.38 | BenediktXVII | ok, working now |
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| 12:01.59 | BenediktXVII | Thanks a lot |
| 12:02.06 | missmbob | especially the wiki. have fun registering |
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| 12:02.23 | BenediktXVII | see you later guys :) |
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| 12:04.52 | Iridos | I feel the wiki would be better if just anyone could edit pretty much everything |
| 12:05.05 | Iridos | there'd be more vandalism, but it'd also be fixed more quickly |
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| 12:06.17 | petn-randall | the meta problem is that there's not enough people that have an eye for UX. The bts is also a pain to use, always have to look up the mail commands. |
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| 12:07.12 | Iridos | and the bts is a spam magnet⦠I'd actually prefer a web interface to enter stuff there |
| 12:07.25 | petn-randall | indeed |
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| 12:08.45 | Iridos | well, my account got deactivated some years back when there was some problem with spammers or so (I don't remember) ⦠I tried to get it back recently⦠but "it's complicated" |
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| 12:09.20 | petn-randall | :| |
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| 12:12.59 | Iridos | I think a project like Debian should try to make it as easy as possible for anyone to help in even the smallest ways |
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| 12:22.51 | soehest | I upgrade to stretch but i would like to be able to use php 5.x together with the distro installed php 7.0.19. Using a repo (packages.sury.org) which allows me to install php 5.x. The question is: What is the best way to prevent the repo from not only installing 5.x but also updating my php 7.x? |
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| 12:25.09 | tx | but you want to use the repo to install 5.- |
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| 12:25.32 | BluesKaj | sounds to me you shouldn't upgrade to stretch if you think the upgraded php won't work |
| 12:25.51 | BluesKaj | soehest,^ |
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| 12:26.42 | jelly | BenediktXVII: dunno about .be, but I think freexian.com is francophone, and credativ.de are nl-speaking |
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| 12:27.21 | soehest | BluesKaj well i think php 7.0x works fine :-) but i do need 5.x as well :-) it must be possible to only have 5.x from the repo and the rest from the debian sources :-) |
| 12:28.43 | fallentree | soehest: use containers to separate the environments. least amount of pain down the road. |
| 12:31.19 | BluesKaj | soehest, possible, perhaps, but how to avoid conflicts without using containers as fallentree suggests |
| 12:33.34 | soehest | hmm i tested it briefly both 5.x together with 7.0 and all seemed to work nicely except that on apt-get upgrade system want's to update php7 from the new repo. Thought it would be possible to prevent ie 7.* from that repo :-) |
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| 12:35.17 | fallentree | soehest: https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 12:36.06 | soehest | fallentree ah nice i will take a look on that :-) |
| 12:36.37 | fallentree | but.... "work nicely except".... so it doesn't work nicely, does it. containers were invented because people ran into these problems before. you will save yourself potential problems later if you simply separate the environments. |
| 12:38.19 | soehest | fallentree hehe point taken :-) |
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| 12:40.37 | BluesKaj | soehest, my question is, why do you think the newer version won't work for you? |
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| 12:41.36 | soehest | simple, mysql_connect :-) (and no i do not have the knowledge to rewrite the old program to mysqli) and the author has stopped developing :-) |
| 12:42.37 | fallentree | which also means stopped patching for security vulnerabilities. do you really want to run that in production, whatever it is (and yeah, what is it?) |
| 12:43.47 | soehest | it is a controller for a gameserver (trackmania) :-) |
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| 12:45.28 | fallentree | even more the reason to run contained. |
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| 12:46.33 | soehest | well you got me thinking now :D thanks for the input. I'll go take a nap. Perhaps i could rewrite it to mysqli but where can i find the time :D |
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| 12:47.15 | fallentree | soehest: if I remember php correctly, it should be straightforward to just replace mysql_ with mysqli_ calls |
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| 12:47.38 | fallentree | at least it's not moving to PDO which is an entirely different beast. |
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| 12:49.15 | soehest | fallentree i will report back. I have taken the decision based on your input. I will take the php 7x path. Luckily i have made a clonezilla backup which i can bring back while i rewrite that controller :-) |
| 12:50.10 | soehest | you are probabaly correct on that i eventually will run into trouble by using multiple php's :-) |
| 12:50.11 | fallentree | you still might want to contain abandonware PHP applications. :) |
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| 12:51.19 | soehest | i will rewrite it in the speed of light :D |
| 12:51.32 | soehest | well no worries everything is down now :-) |
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| 12:53.30 | soehest | i am off napping ;-) take care and have a nice day :-) |
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| 13:05.49 | rafalcpp | is that systemd/lennart's doing, that service --status-all prints +/- reports to stdout, but ? statused to stderr? |
| 13:06.07 | rafalcpp | gets angry at inconsistent tools |
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| 13:09.19 | fallentree | rafalcpp: not lennart's fault, but debian devs who opted into the treachery promised to be "just" an advanced init, without fully understanding what will happen. |
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| 13:11.18 | rafalcpp | well yeah |
| 13:11.49 | rafalcpp | actually above example is a minor point, there are worse |
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| 13:19.11 | rocketmanget | hi all, i've installled debian9 and i have a strange problem, when i change the shortcuts in the LXTerminal they just reset after i close a terminal and open a new one ... has oneone an idea what's going on here ?? |
| 13:19.29 | rocketmanget | i'm using xfce with openbox i think |
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| 13:28.56 | nfr | I'm trying to install the package ossec-hids on Debian Stretch. It says: Depends: libmysqlclient18 but it is not installable. Any idea how to solve this issue? Thx in advance. |
| 13:29.24 | nfr | (It's a fresh installation of Debian Stretch) |
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| 13:31.33 | forcerecon | anyone else just getting a blank screen when going to https://www.paypal.com/ in fireox ESR |
| 13:31.54 | one_over | what do you mean by blank screen |
| 13:31.57 | forcerecon | I can get to it through Tor Browser but no though Firefox on debian |
| 13:32.12 | forcerecon | when I go to that link on Firefox there is no page at all just a blank page.. |
| 13:32.20 | forcerecon | empty.. not even a source |
| 13:32.35 | one_over | does it happen in any other browser |
| 13:32.58 | forcerecon | nope.. just the updated firefox in debian 9 |
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| 13:34.01 | one_over | are you using an ad blocker |
| 13:34.07 | forcerecon | odd really.. as in Tor Browser I am going through vpn then tor.. and with firefox, just the vpn yet nothing comes up on firefox at all.. The url says https://www.paypal.com/ but nothing on the page at all |
| 13:34.14 | forcerecon | nope.. nothing, no addons |
| 13:34.21 | forcerecon | just happened today.. |
| 13:34.24 | one_over | tor blocks scripts |
| 13:34.29 | one_over | like java script |
| 13:34.35 | one_over | and html5 |
| 13:35.31 | one_over | can you access paypal with out a vpn |
| 13:36.20 | forcerecon | just over Tor Browser.. I just tried.. still nothing on FF even after restart.. |
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| 13:36.48 | Soliton | hi, is it possible to give an interface a completely arbitrary label with iproute2? when i try with f.e. ''ip addr add 10.0.1.1 dev enp5s0 label eth0'' i get: "dev" (enp5s0) must match "label" (eth0). any way around that? |
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| 13:37.06 | one_over | you can try using firefox off fire's page https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/?scene=2 |
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| 13:37.43 | forcerecon | I can get to it using chrome just fine.. |
| 13:37.44 | dka_ | How can I test/verify starttls onport 389 ? |
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| 13:39.19 | forcerecon | 52.2.0 (64-bit) |
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| 13:39.53 | one_over | the most current firefox version is 54 |
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| 13:41.08 | forcerecon | I don't update usually until apt-get dist-upgrade does it |
| 13:41.14 | forcerecon | should I really install that one? |
| 13:41.25 | one_over | you're using the esr version |
| 13:41.38 | forcerecon | the one installed by debian yes.. |
| 13:42.05 | one_over | might have more success using Mozilla's version of firefox |
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| 13:42.39 | forcerecon | I will give it a go.. thanks.. just odd.. that is the only site I frequent that is having this issue.. |
| 13:42.41 | forcerecon | thanks again |
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| 13:43.16 | one_over | it's just extract and run run-mozilla.sh |
| 13:43.20 | one_over | no debs to install |
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| 13:44.54 | nfr | Can you recommend a good IDS for Debian? |
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| 13:45.02 | one_over | snort |
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| 13:54.48 | acagastya | Can anyone tell me where is the source code of libicu-dev located? |
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| 13:55.15 | greycat | apt-cache show libicu-dev | grep Source: |
| 13:55.24 | greycat | This tells you the source package's name. |
| 13:55.39 | greycat | Then, if you have deb-src lines set up, you can do "apt-get source icu" |
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| 13:56.14 | acagastya | greycat, I can not sudo it. |
| 13:56.20 | acagastya | I have to clone it. |
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| 13:56.29 | greycat | Neither of these things requires root privs. Adding deb-src lines would, though. |
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| 13:56.45 | greycat | If you can't add deb-src lines, then go to packages.debian.org and grab the source files from the web |
| 13:57.11 | mike45678 | How do I reduce mysql[MariaDB] threads? I can count about 21. It is slowly eating RAM |
| 13:57.23 | mike45678 | I am running Debian 9 |
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| 14:00.58 | acagastya | greycat: I am not supposed to run `apt-get` as well. |
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| 14:03.01 | greycat | You can run apt-get source without root. |
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| 14:04.39 | acagastya | greycat: running apt-get is restricted. |
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| 14:05.43 | greycat | You are completely fucking WRONG and it is IRRITATING as all hell that you fucking IGNORE WHAT WE TELL YOU. |
| 14:05.53 | greycat | YOU CAN RUN apt-get source AS ANY USER |
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| 14:06.22 | password2 | hi |
| 14:07.41 | acagastya | greycat, I am on Wikitech server, and we are restricted to use apt-get. |
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| 14:07.57 | greycat | So you aren't on Debian. Then go away. |
| 14:08.08 | greycat | I already told you to use pacakges.debian.org to get the source files. |
| 14:08.09 | acagastya | It is a Debian based server. |
| 14:08.13 | greycat | !based on debian\ |
| 14:08.15 | greycat | !based on debian |
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| 14:08.23 | greycat | fuck me |
| 14:08.24 | password2 | why would i not be able to chmod a file? |
| 14:08.26 | greycat | !based on debian |
| 14:08.26 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 14:08.33 | acagastya | Darn it. |
| 14:08.46 | acagastya | It is Debian Jessie. |
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| 14:09.01 | greycat | password2: because you don't own it, or because the file system is read-only, or because the file system is Windows-based |
| 14:09.07 | password2 | or better , what am i missing here ? 'sudo chown password ./debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso ' |
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| 14:09.21 | greycat | you have a user named "password"? |
| 14:09.27 | password2 | yes |
| 14:09.30 | acagastya | dpgk it is debian jessie. |
| 14:09.36 | greycat | OK. Then one of the things I said applies here. |
| 14:09.40 | tremolo | lol |
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| 14:09.53 | password2 | it says invalid argument |
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| 14:10.14 | greycat | password2: what kind of file system does the file live on? |
| 14:10.39 | password2 | hmm , ext i think , its on my server and sharing via nfs |
| 14:10.50 | greycat | I want to hunt down the motherfuckers who use Debian release code names in their derived distro names (RASPBIAN, I AM COMING FOR YOU) |
| 14:11.09 | wt3c36 | hehe |
| 14:11.09 | password2 | lol |
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| 14:11.27 | wt3c36 | welcome to support hell |
| 14:11.48 | greycat | password2: Oh, NFS would do it. Root on NFS client != root on NFS server. |
| 14:11.59 | password2 | oh |
| 14:12.02 | password2 | i c |
| 14:12.05 | password2 | I'll sshin |
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| 14:12.52 | BluesKaj | greycat, I'm waiting ...using raspbian pixel on my RPI3 |
| 14:12.57 | password2 | i dont think i can use chmod on server though |
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| 14:13.03 | password2 | but chown should work |
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| 14:13.33 | password2 | idk , what happens when i have two systems with same username for accounts? |
| 14:13.36 | acagastya | greycat, I mentioned this earlier, I am not permitted to run apt-get. The Wikitech project policy is clear about it. |
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| 14:14.42 | tremolo | Perhaps now the #debian policy is clear as well. |
| 14:14.44 | password2 | ok if i ever make a distro I will name it debian+and base it on something obscure |
| 14:16.01 | lovelybac0n | Like devuan? |
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| 14:16.30 | fallentree | devuan ftw! |
| 14:16.30 | password2 | btw , with this nfs , say i want to make myself(being my desktop user) an owner of a file on my server , how do I do it? |
| 14:16.43 | greycat | I suspect (until proven otherwise) that most Devuan users are intelligent enough to understand that they aren't running Debian and won't get support in #debian. |
| 14:17.14 | jelly | greycat: and also they've changed the code names for upcoming release, except the initial jessie one. |
| 14:17.19 | greycat | password2: As root on the NFS server, chown to the UID of your user on the client. Even if that UID doesn't map the same on the server, it doesn't matter. Only the numeric UID matters. |
| 14:17.19 | jelly | releases* |
| 14:17.22 | fallentree | quite likely. |
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| 14:17.49 | password2 | ah |
| 14:17.54 | jelly | far as derivatives go, devuan plays nice |
| 14:18.08 | password2 | i always wondered about that , since i use the same userid everywhere |
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| 14:18.30 | password2 | i think htere is about 5 password accounts' of files on my server |
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| 14:18.44 | password2 | after today it will be one more |
| 14:18.44 | lovelybac0n | Does devuan have many users? |
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| 14:18.58 | greycat | When setting up a network that involves NFS, it's usually best if you ensure that the same username/UID mappings exist across all systems. Very often this is done by also using NIS for the accounts/passwords, but you can also just keep them in sync manually. |
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| 14:19.18 | greycat | There are some crazy UID-mapping options in some NFS implementations, but it's best not to NEED them. |
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| 14:19.48 | password2 | i dont care about the different accoutn , i just mass chown and chmod things on my server |
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| 14:20.50 | celyr | greycat, well |
| 14:20.58 | celyr | greycat, I think you exaggerated |
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| 14:21.14 | mike45678 | How do I reduce mysql[MariaDB] threads? I can count about 21. It is slowly eating RAM |
| 14:21.21 | mike45678 | I am running Debian 9 |
| 14:21.40 | password2 | ok my flash is loaded with iso , and now i guess I'll see if my first ssd works with my pc |
| 14:21.42 | password2 | :D |
| 14:21.52 | password2 | gonna be a long weekend |
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| 14:22.44 | mike45678 | password2 good luck :) -- It took about 1h for me, incl. installing NGINX and my mail server |
| 14:23.05 | mike45678 | *slow internet :( |
| 14:23.15 | password2 | mike25, I have 8gb cap |
| 14:24.00 | password2 | quick question , my home dir , when reinstalling , since it already on its own partition , can i just re-use it? |
| 14:24.11 | greycat | Yes. |
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| 14:24.22 | password2 | no need to format it? |
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| 14:24.30 | greycat | This is in fact the primary reason why people make /home a separate partition. |
| 14:24.34 | mike45678 | No |
| 14:24.35 | password2 | because i really dont want to lose 200GB |
| 14:24.48 | password2 | awesome , never tried it before , but hey |
| 14:24.53 | greycat | I also strongly recommend having regular backups of /home and /etc, at the very least. |
| 14:25.08 | password2 | yeah , for those that can afford the space |
| 14:25.17 | mike45678 | I would rec. https://restic.github.io/ for backups |
| 14:25.19 | password2 | i think i should get another 3TB drive:D |
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| 14:25.24 | greycat | Can you afford losing all your data? |
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| 14:25.34 | password2 | greycat, yeah |
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| 14:25.42 | password2 | not fun but i wont lose money |
| 14:25.57 | mike45678 | You can e.g. use AWS S3 |
| 14:26.05 | password2 | amazon? |
| 14:26.15 | password2 | is it cloud? |
| 14:27.01 | mike45678 | Yes, you use restic, it encrypt the files and you can e.g. upload the files to Amazon AWS S3 (in the cloud) |
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| 14:27.11 | password2 | mike45678, how do you reckon i would backup 200GB over an internet connection that is limited to *GB of bandwidth a month? |
| 14:27.12 | mike45678 | It works similar to git |
| 14:27.28 | mike45678 | Oh ... |
| 14:27.33 | password2 | yes |
| 14:27.41 | greycat | I backup to an external hard drive and to DVDs. |
| 14:27.45 | password2 | anyway , wish me luck |
| 14:27.52 | mike45678 | CD are bad ... |
| 14:27.58 | password2 | my 3TB is has like 10GB free |
| 14:28.04 | greycat | much porn |
| 14:28.14 | password2 | hmm |
| 14:28.19 | password2 | my root was 10GB |
| 14:28.27 | mike45678 | If you have the money you can buy a 10TB HDD |
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| 14:28.31 | password2 | thinking i should make it 50GB this time |
| 14:28.51 | lovelybac0n | An simple external hardrive with my data and backups have saved my ass many times, combined with and /home backup to dropbox. Not in case of fire but then data won't be a worry. |
| 14:28.53 | password2 | mike45678, yeah a wd gold 10TB is like $700 |
| 14:29.14 | password2 | ok really rebooting now :D |
| 14:29.19 | mike45678 | It is worth it |
| 14:29.33 | password2 | i want to get more wd reds sometime |
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| 14:30.12 | ahmed751995 | excuse me, i installed debian with kde and every time i remove an app using apper or terminal i got that (The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: all os apps ) |
| 14:30.12 | ahmed751995 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:31.46 | tremolo | I suggest using `apt-get autoremove` to remove them. |
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| 14:32.09 | mike45678 | tremolo I am sure he want a running system |
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| 14:32.15 | mike45678 | *wants |
| 14:32.49 | tremolo | Are you implying that autoremove results in a non-functional system? |
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| 14:33.16 | greycat | It could, if you built things into /opt or /usr/local using libs that autoremove doesn't think you actually use. |
| 14:33.20 | ahmed751995 | if i used autoremove i will remove all my system |
| 14:33.20 | mike45678 | No, but he said, that it recomm. to basically remove all applications |
| 14:33.22 | secris | tremolo, that one time with -y autoremove |
| 14:33.27 | lovelybac0n | ahmed751995, autoremove is just uninstalling dependencies that are no longer needed. Say you remove a program the dependencies will still be installed, so autoremove. |
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| 14:34.07 | BluesKaj | ahmed751995, sudo apt-get autoremove |
| 14:34.43 | ahmed751995 | BluesKaj: it will remove all my system apps including apper and libreoffice ..... and so on |
| 14:35.51 | BluesKaj | then you are trying to remove an app that has those apps as dependencies, ahmed751995 , what were you removing to cause this? |
| 14:35.54 | greycat | What I do is simply ignore "the following are no longer needed" |
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| 14:38.30 | ahmed751995 | BluesKaj: just removed kopete , and if i tried apt upgrade i got the same output |
| 14:39.20 | ahmed751995 | greycat: why it reads this apps as not use although iam already using them |
| 14:39.39 | tremolo | It's not a question of whether they've been used. |
| 14:39.51 | greycat | Because they were installed as dependencies of something that you have removed, such as a high-high-high level metapackage like "gnome" or "task-something" |
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| 14:40.48 | password4 | Meh , first attempt failed |
| 14:40.50 | greycat | You can "apt-mark" them as "manual" to disqualify them from autoremoval. Or you can just ignore the autoremoval spam and never run autoremove. |
| 14:40.51 | ahmed751995 | greycat: i was getting the same problem in debian 8 but after typing aptitude update every thing works ok |
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| 14:43.06 | BluesKaj | ahmed751995, kopete shouldn't be taking all those other apps with it, what other apps have you removed in the recent past ? |
| 14:43.23 | password4 | Is tjere a way i can make dd verify contents was written correctly? |
| 14:44.35 | ahmed751995 | BluesKaj: kwrite , konqueror and dragonplayer |
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| 14:45.52 | BluesKaj | password4, look for dd examples using sync on google |
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| 14:46.53 | BluesKaj | oops konqueror should not be removed , reinstall it and kwrite |
| 14:47.00 | BluesKaj | ahmed751995,^ |
| 14:47.05 | password4 | You mean the command sync? |
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| 14:47.45 | greycat | password4: you use md5sum of sha1sum or similar to verify a download's integrity, or in some cases a block device's copy |
| 14:47.52 | greycat | s/of/or/ |
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| 14:48.20 | password4 | So in other words dd does not check? |
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| 14:49.04 | BluesKaj | password4 dd copies bit for bit directly , no encryption etc |
| 14:49.43 | Eagleone | oin #freenode |
| 14:49.44 | qman__ | password4: dd just copies data bit for bit, nothing else |
| 14:49.54 | Eagleone | join |
| 14:49.58 | password4 | Yeah , Im wroting debian stable iso to flash |
| 14:50.03 | ahmed751995 | BluesKaj: i reinstalled kwrite and konqueror and still got the same message |
| 14:50.06 | qman__ | password4: when I need to verify the copy was successful, I hash source and destination with a tool such as md5sum and compare |
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| 14:50.14 | lovelybac0n | sync is to clean out memory after an dd operation and does not matter to dd. As I understand it. |
| 14:50.37 | password4 | Yeah i forgot to sync , hoping that was the issue |
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| 14:50.59 | BluesKaj | ahmed751995, you aren't lightening the load on your pc by removing aps you don't use, besides they don't take up much space |
| 14:51.22 | BluesKaj | ahmed751995, reboot |
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| 14:52.46 | password4 | Man everytime i forget to invoke pv with dd |
| 14:52.51 | syamcr | Hi.. Can anybody clarify how many DVD ISO images have been released for Debian 9? |
| 14:52.53 | lovelybac0n | password4, It shouldn't be though it's good to do. The steps required is to see if the iso has the right checksum then dd will take care of the rest. |
| 14:53.09 | greycat | Eagleone: you need / in front of your IRC client commands. /join #kali-linux |
| 14:53.22 | Eagleone | thanks :) |
| 14:53.26 | lovelybac0n | password4, If you download iso files with torrent the bittorrent client will do the checksum for you btw. |
| 14:53.26 | syamcr | I can find only 3 DVDs in the torrent list. But the checksum file lists 14 DVDs |
| 14:53.33 | rapha | it's sort of sad that hanging out here has become so cumbersome with all the spam. i'll take a vacation from #debian. see you all! |
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| 14:54.10 | password4 | lovelybac0n: thats too late now |
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| 14:54.45 | lovelybac0n | password4, why is it to late? |
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| 14:54.55 | greycat | obvious, isn't it? |
| 14:55.20 | password4 | its weekend and im home |
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| 14:56.28 | lovelybac0n | ok7 |
| 14:56.31 | ahmed751995 | BluesKaj: still getting the same message |
| 14:56.48 | mike45678 | What do you get, sorry? |
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| 14:58.07 | password4 | Ok im getting further now i think sync was the issue |
| 14:58.12 | ahmed751995 | mike25: The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required : all os apps ) |
| 14:58.12 | ahmed751995 | Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them. |
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| 14:58.28 | mike45678 | Oh, that was youi .... |
| 14:58.34 | BluesKaj | ahmed751995, did you remove akregatator or akondi server or the PIM apps |
| 14:58.35 | ahmed751995 | :-D |
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| 14:59.03 | password4 | oh shit |
| 14:59.09 | password4 | Im stupid |
| 14:59.15 | greycat | I still say "just ignore the apt autoremove spam". |
| 14:59.24 | password4 | I unplugged the hhd with my home dir |
| 14:59.36 | greycat | If someone finds an option to turn off the spam then I'll use that, but a quick look through two different apt* man pages didn't uncover anything obvious. |
| 14:59.44 | ahmed751995 | BluesKaj: no |
| 14:59.50 | password4 | greycat: that autoremove spam has killed an install of mine before |
| 14:59.52 | BluesKaj | greycat, he can't seem to get past it |
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| 15:00.48 | greycat | password4: only because you didn't ignore it |
| 15:01.27 | mike45678 | I would rec. to install Debian on a seperate partion, recreate your system and compare the installed software |
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| 15:01.30 | galex-713 | Hi |
| 15:01.42 | galex-713 | is there an apt/dpkg irc channel? |
| 15:01.48 | mike45678 | Install the missing ones and you should be fine |
| 15:01.51 | galex-713 | If not, Iâd like to know: can apt/dpkg run under windows? |
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| 15:01.58 | mike45678 | No |
| 15:02.04 | mike45678 | Windows != Linux |
| 15:02.10 | tremolo | Or have apt mark the packages you actually want to keep as manually installed. |
| 15:02.12 | one_over | windows 10 has ubuntu |
| 15:02.27 | mike45678 | It is basically a VM |
| 15:02.28 | ahmed751995 | greycat: if i ignored this spam message i won't be able to use apper agian because every time i remove any package it tills me the same message |
| 15:02.29 | tremolo | Ubuntu isn't Debian. |
| 15:02.29 | wt3c36 | one_over: ubuntu is not debian |
| 15:02.37 | one_over | it uses apt |
| 15:02.40 | galex-713 | mike45678, I know that, yet, canât it? even with cygwin? |
| 15:03.07 | BluesKaj | ahmed751995, reinstall apper |
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| 15:04.07 | mike45678 | galex-713 not that I know of |
| 15:04.12 | BluesKaj | apper is a package manager , no need to remove that ahmed751995 |
| 15:04.26 | mike45678 | Why do you want to use apt on WIndows? It does not make sense |
| 15:04.35 | galex-713 | I mean, is it possible to run the glibc under windows so that you have a posix api or something alike? or make glibc support windows? |
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| 15:04.52 | BluesKaj | nope |
| 15:04.56 | setuid | Something fishy with dpkg --compare-versions |
| 15:05.05 | greycat | !tell setuid about epoch |
| 15:05.06 | setuid | dpkg --compare-versions 2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.7 gt 999 && echo $? |
| 15:05.06 | setuid | 0 |
| 15:05.19 | greycat | 2:0 is greater than 0:999 because 2 is greater than 0 |
| 15:05.30 | greycat | err, bad example. should not have used 0 twice. |
| 15:05.34 | BluesKaj | 1 |
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| 15:05.35 | setuid | compare-versions is supposed to take that into account |
| 15:05.41 | galex-713 | mike45678, to package, install and update free software under windows |
| 15:05.49 | greycat | !tell setuid about version epoch |
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| 15:06.06 | galex-713 | so that it stays up-to-date, and to have a program to install programs (that is not a web browser) and to update them |
| 15:06.12 | galex-713 | *upgrade them |
| 15:06.30 | greycat | It does take the version epoch into account. 2:1 is greater than 999 because 2 is greater than 0. So it exits "true" (0> |
| 15:06.46 | mike45678 | Just use the Linux OS you want .... It is not possible |
| 15:06.52 | galex-713 | and popularize this among windows users that want to stays under windows in order to make their Windows becoming more and more each day a Debian/NT OS |
| 15:06.58 | setuid | greycat: dpkg's message is too long for IRC, truncated, and 'compare-versions' as suggested in the msg, points me to tldp.org, of course non-helpful |
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| 15:07.03 | galex-713 | a Debian GNU/NT OS sorry |
| 15:07.10 | galex-713 | And one day they switch to Debian GNU/Linux |
| 15:07.17 | greycat | I don't know what else I can tell you. |
| 15:07.17 | missmbob | !chat |
| 15:07.18 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 15:07.29 | missmbob | stay on /topic |
| 15:07.35 | setuid | greycat: I'm trying to avoid writing my own version comparison regexes, becauase dpkg's does not work as described |
| 15:07.45 | greycat | It compared Debian package versions. |
| 15:08.02 | greycat | What comparison are you actually doing, what result did you get, and what result did you EXPECT? |
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| 15:08.29 | password4 | Should i make swap space on my ssd |
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| 15:08.48 | password4 | Alongside my root partition |
| 15:09.56 | setuid | greycat: I was just using numeric strings to compare, but when comparing two debian packages with their version numbers, it appears to compare "correctly" |
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| 15:10.11 | BluesKaj | password4, depnds how much RAM and what kind of apps you run, if you're a home user etc |
| 15:10.13 | setuid | 2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.7 > 2:4.3.8+dfsg-0ubuntu1 # for example |
| 15:10.21 | greycat | Because they both have epocj 2. |
| 15:10.27 | galex-713 | missmbob, if I donât want to chat but I have a technical question about Debian (more precisely its package managers), where can I find the appropriate channel? is #debian-offtopic the right place for technical questions about dpkg/apt? |
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| 15:10.55 | password4 | im a home user , is it ok if i have an swap partition on each drive? |
| 15:11.11 | greycat | You can have however many you want. |
| 15:11.13 | tremolo | If that's what floats your goat. |
| 15:11.36 | hax0r | only 1swap is good |
| 15:11.45 | password4 | greycat: ok , is there any advantage? |
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| 15:11.54 | petn-randall | password4: no |
| 15:11.58 | lovelybac0n | no |
| 15:12.06 | lovelybac0n | greycat, huh? |
| 15:12.14 | password4 | Ok 1 16.6gb swap on ssd it is then |
| 15:12.20 | greycat | If you really *use* swap so much that spreading across devices gives you any advantage, then you are swapping too damned much, and you need more RAM or fewer apps open at once. |
| 15:12.32 | setuid | Ok, there's two ways to grab this, what's the more reasonable approach: |
| 15:12.33 | lovelybac0n | password4, how much ram do you have? |
| 15:12.35 | setuid | version=$(apt-cache madison "$package" | awk '{print $3;exit}') |
| 15:12.35 | setuid | version=$(apt-cache show "$package" | awk '/Version/ {print $2;exit}') |
| 15:12.53 | password4 | lovelybac0n: currently 8gb , soon 16gb |
| 15:13.14 | hax0r | 8 gb swap is good for u |
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| 15:13.15 | greycat | setuid: apt-cache show can give you multiple results for the same package name, from multiple sources (e.g. from debian "main" and from security.d.o) |
| 15:13.38 | greycat | setuid: you have no guarantee that the first one you get is the higher one, as far as I know |
| 15:13.47 | setuid | greycat: right, they both do. Open question is, is the version returned always newest -> oldest, top to bottom? |
| 15:13.48 | petn-randall | hax0r: I don't think this blanket statement fits for all systems. |
| 15:13.59 | setuid | greycat: ok, with 'madison', it's always newest on top |
| 15:14.01 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.06 | password4 | but im going to upgrade sometume soon |
| 15:14.20 | hax0r | petn-randall, it wasnt a blanket statement |
| 15:14.41 | lovelybac0n | 8gb is enough for hibernation |
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| 15:15.02 | petn-randall | lovelybac0n: it's not if you have 16 GB RAM. |
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| 15:15.08 | greycat | setuid: I see no such guarantee in man apt-cache. Good luck. |
| 15:15.12 | password4 | I hibetnate 2 times a day |
| 15:15.47 | galex-713 | And why does Cygwin works for bash and C stuff and not apt and dpkg btw? |
| 15:15.49 | lovelybac0n | ah, sorry. missed that. Use 16Gb if you're upgrading soon. |
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| 15:16.16 | password4 | Ok thanx |
| 15:16.26 | password4 | Installing now |
| 15:16.37 | lovelybac0n | If you're hibernating you're system you want the swap space to be the same as ram. |
| 15:16.45 | password4 | Man i swear i already see the diff of tje ssd |
| 15:16.46 | setuid | greycat: Agreed, the original was doing: VERS=`apt-cache madison $PKG | grep $PKG | head -1 | cut -f2 -d\| | cut -f1 -d-` |
| 15:16.47 | lovelybac0n | *your |
| 15:17.01 | setuid | I tried to maintain fidelity with what they were trying to achieve, but doing it "correctly" |
| 15:17.22 | setuid | They were comparing between versions with: if [ $(echo "$VERS >= $MINVERS" | bc -l ) ]; then |
| 15:17.24 | setuid | *cough* |
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| 15:18.00 | greycat | setuid: read -r _ _ vers _ < <(apt-cache madison "$pkg") |
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| 15:19.03 | password4 | clicks all the desktop enviroments |
| 15:19.05 | greycat | Or, better still, read *all* the versions that madison gives you, and use dpkg's version compare (2 at a time) to figure out which one's highest. |
| 15:19.24 | setuid | greycat: That would be ideal, of course. But madison seems to always sort newest to oldest |
| 15:19.34 | password4 | The full iso really wants to access internet |
| 15:19.35 | greycat | OK, if you think you can trust that. |
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| 15:20.13 | petn-randall | password4: That's what the other dozen ISOs are for. |
| 15:20.17 | setuid | I could compare N and N-1, until end of the list |
| 15:20.20 | setuid | hrm... /me thinks |
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| 15:21.04 | lovelybac0n | password4, are you doing an netinstall? |
| 15:21.41 | password4 | No |
| 15:21.44 | password4 | I cant |
| 15:21.54 | Kristjan55555 | http://imgur.com/a/6v4VA |
| 15:21.55 | password4 | Urrg |
| 15:21.57 | petn-randall | password4: Why not? |
| 15:21.57 | greycat | highest=""; while read -r _ _ vers _; do dpkg --compare-versions "$vers" gt "$highest" && highest=$vers; done < <(apt-cache madison "$pkg") |
| 15:22.13 | password4 | Its failing without error , just says a step failed |
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| 15:22.25 | petn-randall | !doesn work |
| 15:22.31 | petn-randall | !doesnt work |
| 15:22.32 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 15:23.02 | petn-randall | password4: You can usually switch to a terminal right to see the logs. |
| 15:23.03 | password4 | Lol , i see how i will have no de |
| 15:23.14 | password4 | Right? |
| 15:23.36 | petn-randall | password4: It depends on how eager you are to break your system before installing it. |
| 15:24.12 | password4 | it seems its already broken |
| 15:24.40 | password4 | Lets see if it installed an de |
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| 15:25.03 | petn-randall | password4: Use the net installer, and if you hit an error *show* us this error. |
| 15:25.22 | petn-randall | I'm guessing you used unetbootin or something similar to create the image, which breaks the installer. |
| 15:25.26 | password4 | petn-randall: i cant ise the net installer |
| 15:25.39 | greycat | password4: why not? |
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| 15:26.02 | password4 | Because i dont have enough bw |
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| 15:26.05 | password4 | Fml |
| 15:26.16 | password4 | no desktop enviroment |
| 15:26.17 | joelwallis | Hi. I would like to run my own mail server. What should I learn in order to do it? |
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| 15:26.52 | setuid | greycat: Slick, I'll try that in the pipeline. Does that work on bash 3.2? (macOS Sierra) |
| 15:27.03 | petn-randall | joelwallis: Word of caution, it's a pain to set up, and a wrongly configured mail server can be abused for spam, which in turn makes it a pain for you to get off DNSBLs again to be able to send mail. |
| 15:27.05 | joelwallis | I'm a developer, comfortable with CLI, processes, etc. I read about Dovecot and exim, but I couldn't understand what's the difference between them |
| 15:27.09 | greycat | mac OS does not have dpkg |
| 15:27.18 | setuid | obviously the dpkg part wouldn't work there ;) |
| 15:27.26 | greycat | So no, that won't work on Mac OS. Or OpenBSD. Or Windows 7. Or Ultrix. |
| 15:27.28 | setuid | smacks himself, caught between host and vm |
| 15:27.37 | petn-randall | joelwallis: Unless you're willing to put a few days worth of working into it, I'd rather use some mail provider. |
| 15:27.38 | setuid | Ignore that, I'm an idiot. But you knew that. |
| 15:28.10 | joelwallis | petn-randall: hey! yeah, I'm aware of it. But I'm also comfortable with managing it through code (Ansible probably), so the pain will hopefully happen once or less frequently |
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| 15:28.38 | password4 | Ok in the gui installer , how do i summon terminal to see what goes wrong? |
| 15:28.57 | joelwallis | I've been using some mail providers, but in the end it just fell vulnerable to their "security measures" |
| 15:29.05 | greycat | There's a gui installer? Hmm. Did you try Ctrl-Alt-F2 yet? |
| 15:29.07 | doubletwist | Ok the issue with vim paste in stretch. Is there a way to make set mouse= the default without editing the default.vim? |
| 15:29.29 | doubletwist | I tried putting in /etc/vim/vimrc and /etc/vim/vimrc.local and something else is overriding it, unless I put it in my ~/.vimrc |
| 15:29.34 | greycat | doubletwist: are you the guy on debian-user who claims that having a ~/.vimrc isn't enough? |
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| 15:29.39 | password4 | greycat: tried nothing yet |
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| 15:29.50 | doubletwist | greycat: No. But I want to make it default for the system. |
| 15:29.57 | petn-randall | joelwallis: I'd go with postfix for SMTP and dovecot for IMAP, and set up amavis + postgrey to deter spam. You'll also need your own DNS resolver to access DNSBLs. |
| 15:30.04 | greycat | Then create a simple /etc/skel/.vimrc |
| 15:30.26 | petn-randall | joelwallis: I've got half my set up in ansible already, unfortunately it's not ready for public consumption. |
| 15:30.35 | doubletwist | That's a crappy answer. What's the point of having /etc/vim/vimrc if the application is going to ignore it? |
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| 15:32.12 | Antares | https://www.facebook.com/cyberdepartment |
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| 15:35.00 | hax0r | do u really need swap |
| 15:35.02 | password4 | Does dvd 1 of testing contain an desktop enviroment? |
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| 15:35.38 | greycat | full DVD images should contain at least one, yes |
| 15:35.40 | password4 | Hmm it seems to fair better niw |
| 15:36.03 | password4 | Idk what changed |
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| 15:36.42 | password4 | Maybe because i omitted ssh server |
| 15:37.01 | petn-randall | password4: Why not take stable? It's just been released the other week. |
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| 15:37.55 | password4 | petn-randall: you know i asked how much it differs from testing and the andwers where useless |
| 15:38.11 | password4 | I was later on called a troll |
| 15:38.20 | petn-randall | password4: Where was that? |
| 15:38.35 | password4 | Here , about 4-8 hours ago |
| 15:38.43 | IHaveNoName | Anyone help me update debian python 2.7.9 to python 3 pls |
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| 15:39.23 | greycat | stable Debian has both python 2.x and python 3.x at the same time |
| 15:39.24 | password4 | but yeah |
| 15:39.30 | IHaveNoName | Oh okay |
| 15:39.37 | greycat | wooledg:~$ python3 --version |
| 15:39.38 | greycat | Python 3.5.3 |
| 15:39.48 | password4 | Atleast gnome is installing |
| 15:40.03 | IHaveNoName | So if it says python 2.7.9 when i do python --version then its fine? |
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| 15:40.28 | password4 | Do pyhton3 --version |
| 15:40.30 | greycat | if your script wants python3 then run it with python3 instead of python |
| 15:40.39 | IHaveNoName | Ok |
| 15:40.51 | IHaveNoName | Well idk what version it wants |
| 15:40.58 | greycat | then why are you asking? |
| 15:41.14 | IHaveNoName | I have sopel ready to start but when i type sopel it comes an error |
| 15:41.17 | password4 | Ok no errors this round! |
| 15:41.23 | IHaveNoName | We thought it was the version |
| 15:41.31 | IHaveNoName | Of python |
| 15:42.11 | greycat | What does the error say? |
| 15:42.15 | dw1 | installed Stretch with rt2800usb for my wifi stick. network scan works, connecting doesnt. suspected wpasupplicant. downgraded to previous version available, didnt help. installed and booted older kernel 3.x but MATE didnt come up and system crashed to BusyBox with "Gave up waiting for" suspend/resume and root file system. went back to 4.x but only the one version seems available. where can i get a previous |
| 15:42.21 | dw1 | 4.x? |
| 15:43.04 | mtn | dw1, networkmanager has a problem with that chip. try using wicd instead |
| 15:43.09 | password4 | Installed! |
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| 15:43.14 | dw1 | mtn: k |
| 15:43.21 | petn-randall | password4: I can't find your question in the backlog. But simple rule is: If you have to ask, then you should use stable. testing is going to be very bumpy the next 6 months, including uninstallable packages due to library migrations. |
| 15:44.03 | password4 | petn-randall: thanx for the advice , bit too late but thanx |
| 15:44.21 | password4 | I don update often though |
| 15:44.23 | setuid | greycat: golfing with your last snippet, what's the best way to test if $2 (user-supplied version) with the latest stored in $highest in your snippet? I'm trying to avoid using $(echo $highest >= $2 | bc -l) style comparisons |
| 15:44.31 | setuid | probably back to #bash on that one |
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| 15:44.53 | petn-randall | password4: Also, atm0spher1c isn't a channel regular in here, I'd especially refute their recommendation to run unstable. |
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| 15:45.05 | greycat | setuid: if they're both Debian version strings then you still need dpkg --compare-versions |
| 15:45.17 | greycat | bc cannot compare version strings, because they aren't numbers |
| 15:45.18 | setuid | Right, so a second pass with --compare-versions |
| 15:45.27 | password4 | Ok thanx petn-randall |
| 15:45.32 | setuid | Yep, that's the bug I overcame eliminating bc with compare-versions |
| 15:45.41 | password4 | I went with testing |
| 15:46.02 | password4 | But i think i still have stable iso with me |
| 15:46.10 | password4 | So i might switch now |
| 15:46.43 | password4 | Hmm i dont even have ifconfig |
| 15:46.55 | greycat | learn ip, or install net-tools |
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| 15:47.03 | password4 | Wtf |
| 15:47.04 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/NewInStretch |
| 15:47.14 | setuid | netplan! :) |
| 15:47.29 | IHaveNoName | greycat: sopel error https://imgur.com/gallery/MTXsm |
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| 15:47.58 | setuid | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MigratingToNetplan |
| 15:48.04 | greycat | why am I seeing an imgur.com URL |
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| 15:48.17 | IHaveNoName | Coz thats where i uploaded my error screenie |
| 15:48.41 | greycat | Why are you reporting an error with a PICTURE instead of pasting the words in the form of text? |
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| 15:48.53 | IHaveNoName | Coz i cant copy |
| 15:48.58 | setuid | Post it on snapchat instead! |
| 15:49.00 | IHaveNoName | Im android tablet |
| 15:49.01 | setuid | ducks |
| 15:49.10 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 15:49.26 | dw1 | mtn: it works, tyvm |
| 15:49.28 | petn-randall | IHaveNoName: How is that related to Debian then? |
| 15:49.34 | dw1 | i like debian, not as bloated as buntu :P |
| 15:49.39 | password4 | So i should start to learn netroute2? |
| 15:49.44 | IHaveNoName | Coz i usimg debian |
| 15:50.11 | greycat | "ip addr" to see lots of stuff, "ip link" to see slightly less stuff |
| 15:50.15 | petn-randall | IHaveNoName: I thought it's Android? |
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| 15:51.59 | setuid | greycat: nicked your snippet, is this good? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/74862eb6/ |
| 15:52.56 | IHaveNoName | It is android tablet but i am running debian noroot app |
| 15:53.05 | IHaveNoName | Which is debian for android |
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| 15:53.50 | galex-713 | IHaveNoName, afaik itâs not exactely Debian but Debian *environment* |
| 15:54.06 | IHaveNoName | But im able to do everything debian can |
| 15:54.15 | galex-713 | IHaveNoName, so you keep the old security-fault-prone outdated Android linux kernel |
| 15:54.30 | IHaveNoName | Idk |
| 15:54.34 | petn-randall | IHaveNoName: Ah, we don't support that in any way in here. It has quite some limitations. |
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| 15:55.18 | galex-713 | petn-randall, well afaik if its problems stays limited to userspace it should work the same way |
| 15:56.27 | petn-randall | galex-713: By that argument we should support Kali, Parrot, Ubuntu, etc. in here, too. |
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| 15:56.38 | IHaveNoName | Can someone figure out if im missing anything in it to make sopel work with the imgur pic i sent of what it shows |
| 15:57.28 | greycat | Wow, all the people that I'm ignoring piling on petn-randall at once. |
| 15:57.36 | password4 | does anything replace sudo? |
| 15:57.40 | greycat | su |
| 15:57.53 | password4 | Yuck |
| 15:57.56 | password4 | :D |
| 15:58.17 | Proteus` | have the fixed the issue where if you install fresh debian 9 and supply a root password during the install you are unable to su? |
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| 15:58.30 | petn-randall | greycat: You have to fix your /ignore list if you see my responses ;) |
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| 15:59.07 | password4 | Proteus`: i seem to he able to su fine |
| 15:59.19 | galex-713 | petn-randall, no because normally with his apt heâs using debian repos |
| 15:59.29 | petn-randall | Proteus`: I'd search the BTS if such a bug report exists. I doubt it was fixed if there is none. |
| 15:59.31 | galex-713 | petn-randall, afaik other distros donât use debian repos, right? |
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| 15:59.35 | password4 | Im on testing though , think ill switch to stable now |
| 15:59.36 | Proteus` | password4, did you do a fresh install from one of the live cd's? |
| 15:59.45 | petn-randall | galex-713: they do, but we're going offtopic here. |
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| 16:01.03 | password4 | From dvd1 |
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| 16:01.16 | password4 | Of the testing , dled today |
| 16:01.29 | password4 | Im going to try stable now |
| 16:02.06 | Proteus` | petn-randall, i resorted to just installing without a root password and using sudo but... it was annoying to go through the install process only to not be able to su. Others were reporting this issue on the forums i know |
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| 16:10.05 | cooler-ruler | hello guys, can I ask something? I just got a problem here after installing debian for the first time |
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| 16:10.23 | Hoolootwo | don't ask to ask, just ask! |
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| 16:10.34 | cooler-ruler | sorry |
| 16:10.41 | cooler-ruler | The installation was fine |
| 16:10.49 | cooler-ruler | but when I tried to boot the computer |
| 16:10.53 | cooler-ruler | i got the grub error: |
| 16:10.58 | cooler-ruler | error: file '/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found |
| 16:11.01 | mtn | !enter |
| 16:11.01 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:11.38 | cooler-ruler | I've installed it on a partition I've shrink from windows |
| 16:11.49 | mtn | cooler-ruler, you can repair the grub install using the installer--expert mode |
| 16:11.52 | password4 | How do I get md5 of block device? Just md5 /dev/sdc ? |
| 16:12.18 | cooler-ruler | mtn with the media that has the installation image? |
| 16:12.18 | greycat | password4: yes, but be warned that sometimes reading from a device gives you extra padding bytes at the end |
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| 16:12.30 | mtn | cooler-ruler, yes |
| 16:12.43 | greycat | password4: I know it's an issue with CDs; not sure about USB sticks or whatever you are using |
| 16:12.54 | cooler-ruler | from now on, what can i do? Kinda new into using linux |
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| 16:13.33 | mtn | cooler-ruler, boot the install disk, choose expert mode. to go repair and repair your grub install |
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| 16:14.18 | cooler-ruler | expert mode for me is not an option |
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| 16:14.46 | mtn | cooler-ruler, which version of debian is this? which installer are you using? |
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| 16:15.10 | cooler-ruler | I've downloaded the live cd 9.0 gnome installation |
| 16:15.17 | cooler-ruler | the one that is less than 3GB |
| 16:15.32 | password4 | Because i want to know dd has writen successfully to my flash |
| 16:15.41 | cooler-ruler | the options are graphical install, 2 debian install menu and something else |
| 16:15.42 | mtn | cooler-ruler, oh, ok. don't use the live disk. download a netinstall iso |
| 16:15.55 | IHaveNoName | How do i reactivate virtualenv after ive deactivated it but no uninstalled it? |
| 16:16.01 | mtn | cooler-ruler, what is "something else"? |
| 16:16.17 | cooler-ruler | some other options but I don't think it has to do with expert mode |
| 16:16.18 | jhutchins | You can use the live disk, but the process is more complicated. |
| 16:16.22 | cooler-ruler | if you want i can list |
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| 16:17.47 | jhutchins | !fixgrub |
| 16:17.47 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 16:18.08 | BluesKaj | cooler-ruler, a netinstall iso is the best method IME, no mucky GUIs to crash etc |
| 16:18.24 | cooler-ruler | *sights |
| 16:18.25 | cooler-ruler | thanks |
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| 16:18.30 | cooler-ruler | the problem is tha ti have a slow internet |
| 16:18.36 | cooler-ruler | it will take me like one hour to download |
| 16:18.56 | cooler-ruler | but if it is easier and secure i dont have much problem |
| 16:19.53 | cooler-ruler | thanks everyone who willed to help |
| 16:20.32 | BluesKaj | them netinstall image is smal , only about 260mb, thei nstallation itself might take a while tho if you have a connection less than 5mb |
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| 16:20.46 | password4 | Md5sum fails on my flash |
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| 16:27.05 | password4 | urg i think this flash has seen better days |
| 16:27.42 | password4 | It seems i have to by default burn an image twice to it |
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| 16:33.42 | jhutchins | password4: What OS are you burning from? |
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| 16:34.04 | password4 | Debian |
| 16:34.16 | password4 | Using dd |
| 16:34.27 | jhutchins | password4: That's pretty reliable. |
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| 16:35.23 | password4 | Well then why do i need to write multiple times? |
| 16:36.31 | jhutchins | password4: Remember what greycat said, md5sum of a devie is not 100% reliable. |
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| 16:36.38 | jhutchins | device |
| 16:37.06 | password4 | And |
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| 16:37.23 | password4 | Is booting from saod device more reliable? |
| 16:37.37 | password4 | Because it failed |
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| 16:39.43 | password4 | Yuck dd just failed |
| 16:40.03 | password4 | Does settin bs when moving to flash make a difference? |
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| 16:41.30 | at0m | md5sum is great for detecting failed download or DVD burning. random errors will change the md5sum. but md5sum is no adequate protection against an adversary who wants you to see the same md5sum but purposely modifies and crafts the data. |
| 16:41.35 | asakha | All > 0/ |
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| 16:42.58 | password4 | At0m ok |
| 16:43.08 | jhutchins | password4: If dd failed I think your diagnosis of a failing drive is probably correct. |
| 16:43.33 | password4 | jhutchins: ofc in correct ;p |
| 16:43.36 | jhutchins | at0m: It can be useful in the actual real world case of trying to check for a corrupted download or bad burn. |
| 16:44.02 | password4 | I'm* |
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| 16:46.07 | at0m | jhutchins: exactly |
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| 16:48.34 | password4 | It fails when i md5 my flash |
| 16:49.36 | Violinist | md5 ur flash? |
| 16:50.01 | password4 | Yes |
| 16:50.24 | Violinist | that wasnt a yes or no question |
| 16:50.28 | Violinist | lol |
| 16:50.58 | strive | MD5 is known for extensive vulerabilities. |
| 16:51.21 | Violinist | its not a vulnerability |
| 16:51.26 | Violinist | its just collisions |
| 16:51.37 | tremolo | <at0m> md5sum is great |
| 16:51.37 | password4 | Violinist: then make a better question |
| 16:51.41 | strive | If in fact you are talking about MD5 the hash function? |
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| 16:52.04 | at0m | strive: he's checking his image against a dd'd version. md5sum is great for that. |
| 16:52.09 | strive | Ah, ok. |
| 16:52.18 | Violinist | different values may produce the same hash |
| 16:52.21 | qman__ | MD5 isn't broken, it's just not strong enough for security applications |
| 16:52.27 | strive | Right. |
| 16:52.33 | Violinist | exactly |
| 16:52.35 | qman__ | it's a perfectly adequate hashing algorithm when some level of collisions is tolerable |
| 16:52.49 | Violinist | hmm |
| 16:52.57 | password4 | any checksum will beable to have different values with same results |
| 16:52.59 | Violinist | i dont see how any collision is good for hashing stuff |
| 16:53.03 | tremolo | It's more of a spot check: "Is this image/disk obviously not right?" |
| 16:53.19 | at0m | tremolo: exactly what password4 is trying to do/ |
| 16:53.31 | qman__ | the odds of running into a collision by accident are extremely rare |
| 16:53.41 | qman__ | it's only a problem when someone is deliberately trying to do so |
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| 16:54.34 | qman__ | verifying a file copy is a fine application for md5 |
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| 16:55.58 | password4 | Ffuuuuu |
| 16:56.21 | password4 | I think this attemot also failed |
| 16:56.42 | password4 | Hmmn i wonder what happened to my ither flash |
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| 16:59.40 | nikitasius | folks! what will fuck me easier: nagios or cacti? |
| 17:00.05 | nikitasius | im between two flames. used cacti in 2010 last time. |
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| 17:00.35 | kion | Why is recommended to have the swap memory in a separate partition instead of in a file? |
| 17:00.58 | greycat | efficiency |
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| 17:02.06 | kion | greycat, can you explain a little more? |
| 17:02.08 | ksk | (because you would have the "swap"-layer, and then again the for example ext4 layer if it was file on disk, imho) |
| 17:02.24 | greycat | Swapping to a file inside a file system is less efficient than swapping to a raw disk partition. |
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| 17:02.48 | greycat | ("Paging" being the more technical term than swapping.) |
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| 17:03.22 | placko | whis package do I need to instal so I am able to compile 32 bit program with 'gcc -m32' ? |
| 17:03.27 | kion | I set a Debian server in amazon, and just realized it has no swap, now trying to create a partition on the disk seems difficult, and using a file really easy... |
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| 17:04.41 | ksk | kion: some(many) people do recommend swap, but it may be you do not need it. |
| 17:05.11 | JPT | It should still work, but if you swap into a file, instead of simply writing stuff onto a disk, all the writing and reading needs to be done by the filesystem that contains the swapfile. That's adding a bit of overhead which might slow things down a little. |
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| 17:05.31 | greycat | In some virtual environments (containers), swapping isn't allowed at all. OpenVZ is one of these. |
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| 17:07.25 | kion | Thanks guys, I guess I will keep it with no swap for now, maybe I will increase RAM |
| 17:07.26 | IHaveNoName | greycat i activated virtualenv now it says (my_project)u0_a191@localhos: |
| 17:07.30 | IHaveNoName | *host |
| 17:07.37 | IHaveNoName | Is that coreect? |
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| 17:10.38 | galex-713 | kion, swap is usefull for hibernation (ie suspend to disk) |
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| 17:11.27 | kion | galex-713, yes, but since it is a server, it will never see hibernation |
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| 17:13.31 | galex-713 | kion, ah ok, cool then |
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| 17:15.03 | kion | galex-713, my laptop for sure has a swap partition |
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| 17:21.24 | kion | There is an awesome dive log package for scuba divers, apparently nobody is maintaining it, how can I become a maintainer for stretch? |
| 17:21.27 | kion | https://packages.debian.org/sid/subsurface |
| 17:22.03 | greycat | If it's not in stretch now, you won't be seeing it added to stretch in the future. Stretch is stable. Unchanging. |
| 17:22.24 | greycat | Someone might put it up in stretch-backports, though. |
| 17:22.48 | greycat | ,v subsurface |
| 17:22.49 | judd | Package: subsurface on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2-1; jessie: 4.2-5 |
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| 17:23.09 | greycat | was it removed, or was it renamed? |
| 17:23.16 | jelly | ,bug rm subsurface |
| 17:23.18 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/795267 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: subsurface -- ROM; Upstream is making our work impossible on purpose»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-08-12; last modified: 2015-09-14. |
| 17:23.20 | kion | so could I create the backport for it? |
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| 17:23.42 | greycat | There's nothing to backport; it was removed entirely. |
| 17:23.50 | greycat | You will have to install it from upstream instead of Debian. |
| 17:24.37 | kion | I have it installed, I just wanted make it available on our repositories to give something back to the awesome Debian community |
| 17:24.51 | greycat | It *was* in Debian, and it was removed on purpose. |
| 17:24.59 | greycat | See the bug that jelly/judd just pointed to. |
| 17:25.29 | kion | greycat, does it say that the guys of subsurface were putting road blocks to the debian version? |
| 17:25.38 | greycat | I don't know. Does it? |
| 17:26.28 | kion | judd? if that is what i read on your post.. |
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| 17:26.46 | at0m | kion: judd is a bot |
| 17:26.50 | jelly | kion: https://www.mail-archive.com/subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org/msg05696.html |
| 17:26.50 | greycat | Read the URL that judd spat out. |
| 17:26.59 | kion | jajaja lol |
| 17:27.02 | kion | sorry |
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| 17:27.50 | kion | that program was written by linus himself and is awesome |
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| 17:28.39 | jelly | it's awesome, but the choices their authors made are not compatible with debian's current packaging policies |
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| 17:31.16 | password4 | So odd thing |
| 17:31.36 | password4 | The stable dvd instsll does not work for me |
| 17:32.41 | asakha | brb |
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| 17:32.58 | kion | jelly, thanks, I see |
| 17:33.20 | lokke | hello world - i need to reboot a VM but i dont know how to do it corretly - i think i broke something in there |
| 17:33.29 | password4 | I make it to the install page , but selecting graphical installer or anyhting else just make my screen flash very very briefly |
| 17:33.48 | lokke | i did try reboot, and shutdown |
| 17:34.06 | lokke | but its failing with timeout on /run/initctl |
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| 17:37.17 | password4 | Urg |
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| 17:39.19 | polaris | jelly, greycat : Was the library libgit2 the problem? It's available in jessie and stretch now |
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| 17:40.10 | polaris | It would be really awesome to have subsurface in the Debian repositories |
| 17:40.22 | kion | Agree |
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| 17:40.54 | jelly | polaris: if you read the two links you'll know the answer |
| 17:41.08 | jelly | or at least the latter |
| 17:41.15 | password4 | what is buster? |
| 17:41.20 | jelly | !buster |
| 17:41.20 | dpkg | The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html |
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| 17:41.39 | password4 | Ok thanx |
| 17:41.57 | password4 | Anyway i can see what packages is on my dvd disc? |
| 17:42.19 | JPT | find /path/to/dvd -name '*.deb' might do |
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| 17:44.03 | password4 | Urg |
| 17:44.12 | password4 | Proxies are evil to setup |
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| 17:44.58 | Antares | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jOk8dk-qaU The Offspring - "Come Out And Play" |
| 17:44.59 | awal1 | password4, you can use https://cdimage-search.debian.org/ for check dvds and cds contents |
| 17:46.16 | awal1 | not what you are looking exactly, in fact, that for find where x pkg is |
| 17:46.35 | password4 | Hmmm it says cinnamon is there |
| 17:47.13 | awal1 | cinnamon in dvd1 i guess |
| 17:47.32 | awal1 | all DE are in 1 |
| 17:47.33 | polaris | creo que el lunes |
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| 17:49.34 | BluesKaj | Antares,,what's the point of posting offtopic URLs in 2 support chats ? |
| 17:49.54 | greycat | Probably trying to find out how many it takes to get kicked. |
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| 17:50.13 | Antares | supports hou? |
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| 17:50.29 | password4 | I wonder if my iso is broken |
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| 17:59.25 | password4 | This install does feel buggy |
| 17:59.47 | password4 | Root in terminal has no autocomplete |
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| 18:00.02 | greycat | that's not a bug |
| 18:00.12 | greycat | that's you being exposed to regular tools for the first time |
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| 18:01.20 | teraflops | password4: first time installing debian? |
| 18:01.27 | password4 | No |
| 18:01.43 | password4 | Sogh |
| 18:01.52 | password4 | This install is so buggy |
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| 18:02.17 | password4 | I've only once been able to shutdown without power button |
| 18:02.23 | greycat | The standard Debian installer is not buggy, but it may seem minimalist if you are not used to simple tools. |
| 18:02.37 | password4 | greycat: idk |
| 18:02.51 | password4 | this seems broken not minimalistic |
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| 18:03.09 | password4 | My apt points to cdrom but cant install from it |
| 18:03.18 | greycat | You installed without a network? |
| 18:03.19 | password4 | But update seems to work |
| 18:03.23 | password4 | Yes |
| 18:03.26 | greycat | Well there you go. |
| 18:03.46 | password4 | I was just sold the dvd ships with cinnamon |
| 18:03.46 | greycat | If you install without a network, it assumes you won't *have* a network available in the future, so it sets up sources.list to read the CDs you had. |
| 18:04.00 | password4 | that is fine |
| 18:04.13 | password4 | But its not installing from th |
| 18:04.16 | password4 | Them |
| 18:04.37 | greycat | When you try to install something, it may prompt you to insert a CD (by number) and press Enter to continue. |
| 18:05.06 | password4 | Unable to locate package cinnamon |
| 18:05.17 | greycat | Is that the proper name for the metapackage? |
| 18:05.20 | greycat | ,v cinnamon |
| 18:05.21 | judd | Package: cinnamon on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.16-5; jessie-backports: 3.0.4-2~bpo8+1; sid: 3.2.7-4; buster: 3.2.7-4; stretch: 3.2.7-4 |
| 18:05.25 | password4 | In synaptic it says to swotch to a buster named cdrom |
| 18:05.38 | greycat | You installed post-stable. So all bets are off. |
| 18:06.35 | password4 | I cant even get stable to install |
| 18:06.50 | greycat | I am not interested in hearing you say that a fifth time. |
| 18:07.07 | password4 | i did the same as with the testing iso |
| 18:07.17 | greycat | You are just going in circles. |
| 18:07.33 | greycat | You're using testing, so go to the testing support channel, #debian-next on OFTC. |
| 18:07.36 | password4 | well what else can i do? |
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| 18:08.01 | BluesKaj | install with the network enabled |
| 18:08.08 | greycat | Apparently he "can't". |
| 18:08.10 | greycat | Because "reasons". |
| 18:08.26 | greycat | Which he will not spell out using even full English words. He will abbreviate and leave EVERY detail out. |
| 18:08.38 | password4 | Because i have 8gb monthly cap |
| 18:09.08 | password4 | Meaning if i use more bandwidth than that i dont have internet for rest of month |
| 18:09.09 | BluesKaj | leaves a trail in the logs and he's afraid to get caught |
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| 18:09.29 | password4 | Dont you know what a cap is ? |
| 18:09.46 | greycat | But you didn't buy a physical DVD in the mail, did you? You acquired an .iso image file and wrote it to a device. How did you have enough bandwidth to download an entire .iso image file? |
| 18:10.01 | BluesKaj | are you using your phone a s an internet connection, password4? |
| 18:10.08 | petn-randall | password4: You can download the isos from somewhere where you don't have a cap. Or just buy the DVDs, they're pretty much burning price + shipping. |
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| 18:10.27 | password4 | Where the hell am i going to buy them? |
| 18:10.38 | greycat | I'm aiming more for "move your computer to the place where you had the bandwidth to download the .iso" |
| 18:10.39 | password4 | Shipping will be insane |
| 18:11.01 | password4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.06 | password4 | No way |
| 18:11.18 | password4 | They wont even let me enter with a pc |
| 18:11.50 | petn-randall | password4: Why, how much does shipping cost in your country? |
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| 18:12.37 | password4 | Too much |
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| 18:12.41 | petn-randall | password4: If you exclude all possibilities to retrieve Debian, I guess you can't install it then. |
| 18:12.42 | password4 | And it take months |
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| 18:13.07 | petn-randall | password4: So shipping within your country takes months? Interesting. |
| 18:13.10 | awal1 | https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
| 18:13.10 | BluesKaj | an 8gig cap means you're using your cell/smartphone to connect over the cell network to theinternet , I bet |
| 18:13.16 | password4 | petn-randall: well as ive said i cant get the installer of stable working |
| 18:13.40 | password4 | BluesKaj: yes i am , its mobile but is not my cells |
| 18:13.46 | petn-randall | Is that now the 7th or 8th time you said that? |
| 18:13.48 | BluesKaj | get a proper ISP , password4 |
| 18:13.55 | password4 | I cant |
| 18:14.00 | greycat | But you did not say what URL you downloaded, how you verified the integrity of the download, what device you wrote it to, how you verified THAT transfer, or anything. |
| 18:14.13 | greycat | Just "doesn't work" |
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| 18:14.39 | password4 | I used md5sum and it matxhed the md5 sum on the websit |
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| 18:14.58 | password4 | I wrote it to two different flashdrives |
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| 18:15.03 | password4 | Same exact error |
| 18:15.14 | greycat | How did you write it? |
| 18:15.19 | password4 | Dd |
| 18:15.35 | password4 | using various blocksizes |
| 18:16.06 | password4 | 4M 16M and unspecified |
| 18:16.30 | password4 | only luck with unstable image |
| 18:16.48 | awal1 | cp is recommended |
| 18:17.01 | password4 | Is cp reckomended? |
| 18:17.04 | greycat | oh GOD it does not MATTER, do NOT start THIS |
| 18:17.13 | greycat | they both work the same fucking way. read, write. repeat. |
| 18:17.21 | password4 | ok |
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| 18:18.32 | greycat | So you have one USBthing with stable on it (unspecified version/source), and one USBthing with a testing installer on it (unspecified version/source), and you have successfully installed AND BOOTED from the testing one, but the "DVD" (USBthing 2) doesn't have "cinnamon" on it? |
| 18:18.45 | password4 | no |
| 18:18.50 | greycat | Details, please. |
| 18:18.53 | awal1 | unstable image? |
| 18:18.55 | password4 | Both have stable on |
| 18:18.59 | greycat | Liar. |
| 18:19.07 | greycat | You said you have a sources.list line that names buster. |
| 18:19.18 | password4 | i instslled testing |
| 18:19.22 | greycat | buster = testing |
| 18:19.35 | password4 | But afterwards i wrote stable to the drives |
| 18:19.40 | greycat | ... |
| 18:19.45 | greycat | Can I kill him? |
| 18:19.56 | password4 | Because im not even able to properly shutdown |
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| 18:21.30 | password4 | greycat: when i was installing testing an unkwown error happened each time i seletec my desktop enviroment |
| 18:21.43 | Dackel | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.50 | greycat | Unhelpable. *plonk* |
| 18:22.00 | Dackel | sorry |
| 18:22.11 | password4 | First installation actually had none on it , then i used the flash as is again and it managed to installed with gnome |
| 18:22.27 | password4 | But gnome is slooowww on my pc |
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| 18:23.39 | password4 | greycat: sorry if im annoying you |
| 18:24.18 | awal1 | password4, be careful , greycat is expert on machete :P |
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| 18:25.08 | password4 | Meh |
| 18:25.11 | JPT | password4: You are not proceeding in a structured manner. This makes it almost impossible to most of us to help you out. Imagine a customer calling about a product not working and the first thing you realize is that they did not follow the manual, but somehow managed to assemble and plug in something in some mysterious way that you absolutely cannot know. |
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| 18:25.50 | BluesKaj | how can you possibly enjoy computing without a proper internet connection anyway, that's my question, password4 |
| 18:26.06 | password4 | BluesKaj: i dont |
| 18:26.06 | greycat | I was wondering something similar. |
| 18:26.38 | password4 | You guys have no idea how frustrating it is |
| 18:27.13 | password4 | Jpt well ask anything that i skipped and ill try to answer |
| 18:27.27 | BluesKaj | so what's the reason for no ISP? ...can't is not an answer |
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| 18:27.49 | password4 | Cant afford to sign a 12 month contract |
| 18:28.41 | password4 | fuck i think i broke my repositories even more |
| 18:28.48 | BluesKaj | surely there isps in your area that don't require a contrect |
| 18:29.01 | password4 | BluesKaj: im kn one now |
| 18:29.11 | password4 | Only mobile offers it |
| 18:29.25 | password4 | Lets please not disciss my isp |
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| 18:30.13 | JPT | I guess my approach would involve a full reinstall of the system from that dvd. I don't care what gui you put on it as long as you get to a working debian system. From that, we may be able to help you set up network connections and install cinnamon or whatever it is you want. |
| 18:30.42 | password4 | I have a working thing and internet |
| 18:31.15 | BluesKaj | BS, Raliegh is a large enough city for a cheap dsl ISP |
| 18:31.34 | password4 | ? |
| 18:31.37 | greycat | One would start by *NOT* changing "buster" to "stable" on a cdrom line in sources.list, especially if one has only the buster images. |
| 18:31.47 | awal1 | your machine is? ram ... |
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| 18:32.45 | BluesKaj | bbl |
| 18:32.45 | password4 | greycat: ok |
| 18:32.51 | awal1 | cinnamon, kde , gnome are heavy DE's |
| 18:33.02 | password4 | I did not edit sources directly even |
| 18:33.19 | password4 | Only through synaptic |
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| 18:34.07 | password4 | Idk if it touched my sources , but theres a place where you can select repos |
| 18:34.16 | jelly | password4: tomorrow's another month. Use your cap to install stretch with whatever DE you want, carefully. |
| 18:34.27 | password4 | Jelly no |
| 18:34.48 | greycat | assuming the cap is from 1st to 1st, not some arbitrary date in the middle |
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| 18:34.51 | password4 | I barely make it through the month already |
| 18:35.11 | password4 | Im not gonna use a giant chunk on day 1 |
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| 18:35.35 | jmcnaught | password4: can you bring your computer to a library or café that has free wifi? |
| 18:35.41 | password4 | No |
| 18:35.52 | password4 | For 1 its a desktop |
| 18:35.55 | jelly | or a school, college or university |
| 18:36.09 | password4 | For 2 i dont have access to free wifi |
| 18:36.37 | password4 | I dont live in america |
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| 18:38.20 | password4 | I think the location of my cdrom is wrong |
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| 18:38.59 | password4 | In sources |
| 18:39.15 | JPT | Does apt-get update complain about it? |
| 18:41.06 | password4 | it seems to get some things , but there are errors |
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| 18:41.23 | password4 | Cant find amd64 packages |
| 18:41.44 | password4 | And says there is no release file |
| 18:41.51 | tremolo | Is it mounted? |
| 18:42.01 | password4 | Its mounted |
| 18:42.15 | password4 | But i think it looks for an actual cdrom |
| 18:42.28 | password4 | Cdrom:// |
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| 18:42.39 | password4 | Its just a mounted iso |
| 18:43.08 | password4 | Mounted to /dev/loop0p1 |
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| 18:44.07 | password4 | I used to use file instead on my older installions |
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| 18:45.39 | password4 | Buster is stable right? |
| 18:45.57 | jmcnaught | stretch is stable, buster is testing |
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| 18:47.11 | jelly | you asked that literally an hour ago |
| 18:47.22 | password4 | Oh yeah , sorry brainfart |
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| 18:47.36 | _vinx_ | Hi |
| 18:48.08 | jelly | consider taking a rest from computer stuff for a while and let your brains defragment |
| 18:48.39 | password4 | Thanx jelly , but i think ill try some more |
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| 18:49.03 | mutante | the mnemomic could be "busted" |
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| 18:51.50 | password4 | ? |
| 18:52.46 | password4 | Can i force gnome to go to fallback mode? |
| 18:52.50 | password4 | Or classic |
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| 18:53.30 | jmcnaught | password4: on the GDM login screen, click the gear icon below the username/password entry field to select a session |
| 18:53.55 | password4 | ooh , ill try thay as soon as this transfer is done |
| 18:54.59 | password4 | I need better lan cables too |
| 18:55.22 | password4 | This 100mbit connection is too slow |
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| 18:56.14 | n4dir | you don't know any person with a good internet connection ? |
| 18:56.41 | password4 | I dont know anyone anymore |
| 18:56.50 | password4 | With or without internet |
| 18:57.48 | password4 | I've sworn of all my friends i had |
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| 18:58.09 | n4dir | if it was me i would probably buy the 5 debian DVD's (or how many they are right now). |
| 18:59.21 | password4 | Idk seems to be either 3 discs or 10 |
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| 19:02.46 | password4 | Oh thank god im in gnome classic |
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| 19:03.00 | password4 | Thanx jmcnaught |
| 19:03.03 | Proteus` | why not just use the singular live for your chosen desktop? |
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| 19:03.29 | greycat | the live images are absolutely shit at being installed |
| 19:04.08 | greycat | 9.0.1 live was supposed to fix a bunch of the problems, but people are still saying that stuff doesn't work (and ut's usually in that annoying way that you can't document on the wiki or ANYTHING, because there's no DETAIL) |
| 19:04.18 | password4 | man i cant wait till i upgrade this pc |
| 19:04.48 | password4 | Ut? |
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| 19:05.14 | n4dir | i can't see the point of *having* to use a live CD to *install* anyway. |
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| 19:05.50 | greycat | I don't get it either. But people FLOCK to this shit. They go out of their way to find the live CD that won't work instead of just using the netinst. |
| 19:06.47 | password4 | Heh |
| 19:07.41 | password4 | well i got the offline versions |
| 19:07.56 | password4 | I dont think mine has a live boot option |
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| 19:08.59 | password4 | Hmm , wonder if my opengl is still borked |
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| 19:10.55 | password4 | Yaya |
| 19:11.01 | password4 | Now im happy |
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| 19:11.16 | password4 | some broken things now works |
| 19:12.25 | password4 | Maybe i can get a game or two to work again even |
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| 19:15.09 | b34bb | hey there everybody |
| 19:15.20 | password4 | Hi b34bb |
| 19:15.35 | b34bb | does anyone know a way to keep a system shut down after a given time? |
| 19:15.52 | b34bb | ie, if the system is powerd on it will shut down automatically |
| 19:16.01 | greycat | You want to shut down every day at 10PM or something? cron |
| 19:16.41 | greycat | 0 22 * * * /sbin/shutdown -h now # or similar |
| 19:16.50 | b34bb | greycat: yes, but also stop it from booting again |
| 19:17.04 | greycat | Why do you think it would be able to boot on its own? |
| 19:17.10 | nkuttler | b34bb: you can't really. you can just shut it down repeatedly, still with cron |
| 19:17.24 | greycat | What are you really trying to do? |
| 19:17.32 | b34bb | i thought about a cronjob that would run repeatedly, but how would i tell it to just run after a certain time? |
| 19:17.40 | b34bb | no, but somebody might turn it on |
| 19:17.42 | nkuttler | b34bb: man 5 crontab |
| 19:17.55 | greycat | I don't know what your goal is. Are you trying to prevent your children from using it after 10 PM? |
| 19:18.06 | b34bb | kinda like that, yes |
| 19:18.09 | nkuttler | sounds more like a social problem |
| 19:18.13 | greycat | Lock logins. |
| 19:18.14 | b34bb | ^^ |
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| 19:18.28 | nkuttler | or the server room |
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| 19:19.43 | b34bb | locking the room doesn't work, what do you mean with 'lock login'? disable the user in /etc/passwd? |
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| 19:20.16 | greycat | Or something along those lines, yes. There may be other ways. |
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| 19:20.43 | b34bb | alright, i'll give it a thought |
| 19:20.48 | b34bb | thanks :) |
| 19:20.48 | password4 | Replace power buttob with a key |
| 19:20.54 | password4 | :p |
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| 19:21.03 | b34bb | -.- |
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| 19:21.23 | jelly | !nologin |
| 19:21.23 | dpkg | it has been said that nologin is a replacement shell (man 8 nologin) for user accounts that have been disabled, or a method (man 5 nologin) to prevent all non-root users from logging into a system. |
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| 19:21.50 | password4 | Man im glad that install nightmare is over , sorta |
| 19:22.02 | n4dir | my idea would be to use a script, date +%H, compare that to the set time after which no one should be able to use the PC, if it is later, shutdown. Something like that, b34bb ? |
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| 19:22.07 | b34bb | i know it probably sounds like a completely stupid thing to do |
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| 19:25.20 | b34bb | n4dir: yes, obviously -.- |
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| 19:25.20 | b34bb | ill set a cronjob to touch/delete a file and let the script check for the file though, probably less overhead |
| 19:25.20 | b34bb | thanks, was completely locked on doing it with cron |
| 19:25.20 | n4dir | well, you will have to find a) someone who knows bash well enough to quickly write it (seems easy to me, but i didn't do anything like bash for long) and b) find the way how to run it after or during boot |
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| 19:25.21 | greycat | nologin(5) talks about login(1) but doesn't say whether it affects other things like DMs |
| 19:25.21 | b34bb | n4dir: i know quite some perl, that'll be easy |
| 19:25.21 | greycat | I guess you'd have to experiment. |
| 19:25.21 | n4dir | like: if < date +%H > -greater-than <given-time>, then poweroff |
| 19:25.25 | greycat | n4dir: no, that's fragile |
| 19:25.39 | n4dir | greycat: glad you correct me. It was only a wild idea. |
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| 19:27.05 | b34bb | greycat: any objection to have a cronjob touch a file to make clear that the computer is supposed to be off and have a script check for that and shut down if it exists? |
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| 19:27.07 | greycat | The real problem with putting "if time is between x and y, log out" in a user's login is that there's no guarantee the user's login is going to run that piece of code you added. |
| 19:27.12 | greycat | Especially if the user is smart. |
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| 19:27.53 | n4dir | no way to run something like that during boot (init system or such) ? |
| 19:27.53 | jmcnaught | b34bb: you could also look at using pam to do this, look at "man 5 time.conf" |
| 19:27.57 | greycat | b34bb: I don't see any way that is better than just shutting down at 10PM. If you want to protect against someone manyally powering it on, you need to block logins as well, or instead. |
| 19:28.35 | greycat | The tricky part, of course, is making sure the logins get UN-blocked in the morning, especially if the machine may not be powered on at that time. |
| 19:29.00 | greycat | This pam time.conf thing looks promising. |
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| 19:29.16 | b34bb | hm... if i just block the login of the user account i can ssh into the admin account and unblock it |
| 19:29.27 | b34bb | i'll have a look at time.conf |
| 19:29.33 | greycat | Anything that doesn't depend on a thing being executed at a specific time of day (when the machine may be physically off) is better than the other hacks that have been described. |
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| 19:30.52 | password4 | Put a timer on the pkyg :p |
| 19:30.56 | password4 | Plug** |
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| 19:32.36 | b34bb | yep, time.conf is exactly what i'm looking for |
| 19:32.53 | b34bb | always finding new tools... |
| 19:33.02 | b34bb | thanks for the help, again :) |
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| 19:33.25 | greycat | Looks like you have to explicitly uncomment it in /etc/pam.d/stuff |
| 19:34.01 | greycat | I don't have a DM installed, but it's commented out in /etc/pam.d/login |
| 19:34.04 | jelly | greycat: maybe it's a login only thing but there's a pam_nologin as well |
| 19:34.26 | greycat | If it's not present in the DM's PAM file, it should be possible to add it, copying from login. |
| 19:35.01 | jelly | pam_time looks interesting |
| 19:36.04 | jmcnaught | i have used access.conf before and thought it might be in there. configuring pam isn't my idea of fun though |
| 19:36.27 | greycat | As weird configs go, this one looks... not entirely horrible. |
| 19:36.42 | greycat | Could be a bit daunting for a newbie. |
| 19:37.27 | greycat | Understanding that there's a file in /etc/pam.d/ that you have to edit is probably going to be the biggest obstacle. |
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| 20:12.03 | borrougagnou | bonjour, j'ai une question |
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| 20:12.36 | greycat | !fr |
| 20:12.37 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr. |
| 20:12.38 | borrougagnou | j'ai lancer un processus à partir de xorg et non à partir du terminal, comment je fais pour voir ce que ce processus affiche sans devoir le kill? |
| 20:12.43 | galex-713 | donât ask to ask, just ask, comme on dit (par contre ici câest anglophone en fait, le canal francophone câest #debianfr) |
| 20:12.47 | borrougagnou | ow sorry |
| 20:12.54 | borrougagnou | okay I explain |
| 20:13.35 | galex-713 | He said he want the standard output of a program he launched from X |
| 20:13.41 | galex-713 | I think |
| 20:13.46 | galex-713 | *guess |
| 20:13.48 | borrougagnou | galex-713> exactly |
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| 20:14.45 | borrougagnou | how to print into terminal after launch |
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| 20:15.18 | galex-713 | using bash you can do âcommand >fileâ, and afaik there is a file which is one of tty |
| 20:15.26 | galex-713 | you can also launch from a terminal |
| 20:15.33 | greycat | that could mean *so* many different things... |
| 20:15.38 | galex-713 | but from an already launched process I donât know :/ |
| 20:15.48 | borrougagnou | ow :/ |
| 20:15.48 | n4dir | if you start a program *from* a terminal-emulator, it often gives lots of info, but i am not sure if it gives stdout (or all of it) |
| 20:15.52 | phogg | if the program is running already then you're not going to be able to retrieve the stdout/stderr |
| 20:15.58 | greycat | How abuot, "when I ___ I want ___ to happen" |
| 20:16.00 | galex-713 | *launch from a graphical console like Konsole or gnome-terminal |
| 20:16.23 | jelly | there's no way for an already running process. If you're lucky its std.err. ends up in ~/.xsession-errors together with all other stuff |
| 20:17.21 | borrougagnou | :/ too bad |
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| 20:21.34 | borrougagnou | I think I have already seen the people retrieve the program launched with X directly into terminal using PID :/ |
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| 20:26.25 | marxyz | Hello guys. I'm trying to set up wifi for my asus c201 laptop but I can't get it work. Can someone Help me ? When I do iwconfig it gives me "lo no wireless extension" |
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| 20:37.07 | marxyz | ...? |
| 20:37.12 | awal1 | marxyz, what is your wifi card ? |
| 20:37.47 | marxyz | it is a broadcom 42 something. It is supposed to work with the brcmfmac driver |
| 20:38.10 | awal1 | lspci | grep -i wireless |
| 20:38.32 | marxyz | I've installed it but I cannot configure it anyway (I've installed it by downloading .bin file and put it in /lib/firmware/brcm) |
| 20:38.35 | greycat | lspci -nn | grep -i wireless |
| 20:38.41 | marxyz | £ |
| 20:38.56 | greycat | the -nn is the most important bit |
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| 20:40.26 | marxyz | lspci gave me "pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci" I suppose It's because I'm not using the mainline linux kernel but chromeOS kernel and debian on top of that. (it was what was described on the debian wiki) |
| 20:40.36 | greycat | whaat |
| 20:40.38 | marxyz | the grep -i wireless is hanging forever |
| 20:40.49 | greycat | You did something wrong. That's not possible. |
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| 20:40.57 | marxyz | to do what ? |
| 20:41.11 | greycat | badcommand | grep -i wireless will NOT hang. It will terminate immediately. |
| 20:41.21 | greycat | The only way it could hang is if lspci hangs. |
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| 20:41.32 | missmbob | chromeos kernel who knows |
| 20:41.41 | marxyz | It's what lspci gives me in chromeOS shell too |
| 20:41.43 | greycat | wtf is chromeos and why is it HERE |
| 20:42.18 | marxyz | ChromeOS is a linux distrib for google chromebooks . It has it's own kernel derivated from mainline linux. |
| 20:42.31 | missmbob | and not supported in #debian |
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| 20:42.54 | marxyz | And , well, that is what the debian wiki told me to do. (https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/C201) |
| 20:43.03 | jelly | missmbob: is running debian on top of vendor kernel also not supported? |
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| 20:43.57 | missmbob | dont see how that's the same but have fun if you want |
| 20:44.04 | greycat | so... uh... hit ctrl-C to kill the hung lspci? |
| 20:44.08 | marxyz | No it is not too, because the uptodate version of the kernel just gives a black screen, I had to use an older one (for the same computer) |
| 20:44.15 | jelly | missmbob: it's just a custom kernel |
| 20:44.35 | jelly | marxyz: does running lspci, without grep, hang? |
| 20:44.51 | marxyz | I tried with archlinux and it worked just fine (with the same version of the kernel) |
| 20:44.52 | marxyz | yes |
| 20:44.59 | marxyz | it does hang too |
| 20:45.02 | jelly | how, that's some broken shit :-) |
| 20:45.05 | jelly | wow* |
| 20:45.41 | jelly | but okay. ^C is the thing to try then yes |
| 20:46.00 | marxyz | done. |
| 20:46.24 | greycat | jelly: oh good, it's not just me. |
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| 20:46.54 | marxyz | I don't usually come asking people if I haven't found any solution on internet prior to that. I'm really confused here |
| 20:47.12 | marxyz | I tried to install the vendor driver for the wifi card. |
| 20:47.19 | marxyz | It does exactly the same thing |
| 20:47.27 | marxyz | I feel like I forgot to install something |
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| 20:48.39 | jelly | marxyz: are you sure your custom kernel has the driver for that card? Does anything in dmesg output suggest the failure is caused by missing firmware? |
| 20:48.40 | greycat | Well, the first step to making your wireless thing work is finding out what it *is*. If you can't run lspci, then you will have to find out some other way. Maybe dmesg will say. Maybe there is some other hardware probing command that will actually work on this... thing. |
| 20:49.12 | greycat | Reading dmesg to look for firmware and other errors is also advised on general principles. |
| 20:49.19 | jelly | the war on general purpose computing.... continues |
| 20:49.33 | marxyz | jelly => yes, because with the same kernel with archlinux just works out of the box |
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| 20:50.45 | jelly | marxyz: and the second question? |
| 20:50.54 | marxyz | It is an BRCM4354 accorded to the wiki |
| 20:51.01 | marxyz | How do I check dmesg ? |
| 20:51.07 | greycat | dmesg | less |
| 20:51.12 | jelly | pastebin the whole dmesg if unsure |
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| 20:52.02 | marxyz | ok |
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| 20:59.00 | Xelosep | Hello, help please, how to check free disk space? in MB or GB ?? |
| 20:59.11 | greycat | df -h |
| 20:59.26 | tw | ^- might be in TB though. |
| 20:59.26 | greycat | or just df, if you want numbers without units |
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| 21:00.00 | Xelosep | Thankyou |
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| 21:01.00 | marxyz | well I can't pastebin the whole thing because no usb near me and it has not internet. |
| 21:01.11 | marxyz | So here are the line that are talking about wifi and brcm |
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| 21:01.39 | marxyz | during the boot (at 3.18) wifi_regulator: could not add device link mmc2 err -2 |
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| 21:02.26 | laurus | Does Debian 9.0 come with Lxqt as a Desktop option? |
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| 21:03.07 | greycat | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html says so, yes. |
| 21:03.33 | marxyz | and at the moment i've done the grep command "rockchip-vop ff940000.vop: attached to iommu domain |
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| 21:03.34 | teraflops | ,v task-lxqt-desktop |
| 21:03.35 | judd | Package: task-lxqt-desktop on amd64 -- buster: 3.39; sid: 3.39; stretch: 3.39 |
| 21:03.45 | laurus | Thanks greycat. |
| 21:04.09 | Atm0spher1c | lxqt is so much nicer than lxde |
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| 21:06.04 | zygss | good night guys, I have a problem |
| 21:06.18 | zygss | i've installed debian succesfully, but I can't use any sudo command |
| 21:06.22 | zygss | 'user' is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
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| 21:06.41 | missmbob | !sudo |
| 21:06.41 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 21:06.43 | jmcnaught | zygss: "adduser user sudo" as root |
| 21:06.54 | laurus | Atm0spher1c, I just want something that's pretty similar to the GNOME that existed on Debian 10 years ago, but that's actively updated. Lxqt looks like the closest thing. |
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| 21:07.30 | zygss | jmcnaught how do i enter as root? |
| 21:07.39 | zygss | sorry, kinda newbie on Linux |
| 21:07.43 | Atm0spher1c | laurus, i thought that was cinnamon or mate |
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| 21:07.49 | jmcnaught | zygss: "su -l" and then enter the root password |
| 21:08.03 | laurus | Atm0spher1c, MATE is stuck in the Gtk world which is tied to the new GNOME. |
| 21:08.14 | laurus | I'm not sure about Cinnamon but I think it uses a lot of resources. |
| 21:08.22 | zygss | jmcnaught su: Authentication Failuer |
| 21:08.34 | zygss | yes i am entering correnctly |
| 21:08.42 | zygss | tried the user and the root password i defined on the installation |
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| 21:09.01 | laurus | What is firefox-esr ? |
| 21:09.34 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell zygss -about frp |
| 21:09.35 | greycat | The firefox ESR (something support release) branch, which only breaks once every 10-12 months instead of every month. |
| 21:10.01 | greycat | The closest thing there is to a stable web browser in this universe. |
| 21:10.32 | laurus | greycat, ah, I see. So the normal firefox package is actually updated frequently? |
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| 21:10.53 | greycat | zygss: Lemme guess. Live CD. Installed. Root password doesn't fucking work. Again. Again. And again. Yeah? |
| 21:11.09 | greycat | What "normal firefox package"? |
| 21:11.40 | quan | Hi, I've always had good luck assigning statiic IPs up to .15, but now 192.168.1.16 can not be forwarded out of the LAN to the WAN. |
| 21:11.40 | quan | It works fine in the LAN but can not even ping an IP outside the LAN. |
| 21:11.40 | quan | Routing table is fine and gateway is set. |
| 21:11.57 | zygss | greycat it was the graphical installation, but the iso is the Live CD(the one with less than 3GB) and yeah, it doesnt work nothing related to sudo |
| 21:12.06 | zygss | greycat cant sudo, cant enter as root |
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| 21:12.31 | quan | Should be no limitation in shorewall or the centos router. |
| 21:12.34 | zygss | lol i've been since morning trying to install debian but its a problem after problem, i guess ill go back to Ubuntu |
| 21:12.41 | missmbob | i told you sudo isnt enabled by default. but now that i know you did live install you should reinstall |
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| 21:12.49 | austeregrim | is it me or can I not get to a tty session going in stretch? |
| 21:12.55 | greycat | Live CD Install Strikes (out) Again |
| 21:13.18 | zygss | greycat is it better to use the netinst? |
| 21:13.22 | greycat | zygss: boot from CD or whatever, mount the installed partition read-write, run passwd root, unmount, reboot, pray. |
| 21:13.40 | greycat | skipped a step: after mounting, chroot into it |
| 21:13.46 | marxyz | Well no one could help me there too I suppose :( I'm gonna try with a mainline linux kernel instead of some random chromeOS kernel |
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| 21:13.56 | missmbob | zygss: you use netinst or cd/dvd to install, not live . live has many known bugs |
| 21:14.09 | zygss | worst thing is that my net sucks |
| 21:14.10 | quan | All interfaces (client and router) are set to /24 |
| 21:14.12 | greycat | Sadly, the Debian web pages don't know that the Live CDs are still broken. |
| 21:14.21 | greycat | They think 9.0.1 is fixed. |
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| 21:14.41 | zygss | ill try to do that later, im frustrated to the point of doing dumb stuff |
| 21:15.04 | zygss | anyway thanks for the help greycat & jmcnaught |
| 21:15.21 | DeaDSouL | hi, I've created first logical-volume (60GiB), how can I create a second one to use all available free space? is it: `lvcreate -l 100%FREE -n lv_name vg_name` ? |
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| 21:17.06 | greycat | rather than trying to fuck around with weird 100%FREE stuff, I would just put in the actual number. |
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| 21:17.32 | greycat | Takes less time to multiply some numbers and paste the answer than to figure out some bizarre new thing. |
| 21:17.49 | DeaDSouL | lol |
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| 21:18.20 | greycat | (I also wonder why you are using up ALL your remaining space. No room left for growth, snapshots, ...?) |
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| 21:27.55 | spacebug^ | found it |
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| 21:48.29 | Hello_World | Hi! I've problems with my " WD Elements 2 TB USB 2.0 Desktop External Hard " on Debian. It seems that the hard drive isn't recognized : $ lsusb Bus 003 Device 002: ID 8087:8001 Intel Corp. |
| 21:48.29 | Hello_World | Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub |
| 21:48.29 | Hello_World | Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub |
| 21:48.29 | Hello_World | Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0bda:b728 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. |
| 21:48.29 | Hello_World | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0bda:0129 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTS5129 Card Reader Controller |
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| 21:53.52 | xboot | I just got a sudden hand up of my laptop running Stretch x64 |
| 21:54.02 | xboot | and diles under /etc/modprobe.d/ have disappeared after a hardware reset |
| 21:54.11 | xboot | i had dkms.conf and fbdev-blacklist.conf there |
| 21:55.07 | xboot | should i reinstall debian now? because i suppose more system config files have disappeared |
| 21:55.25 | xboot | it's a brand new ssd samsung evo, i am using encrypted root with LUKS |
| 21:55.26 | satbyy | xboot: if you've etckeeper then you can restore files from git |
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| 21:57.58 | jmcnaught | xboot: what is a "hardware reset"? |
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| 21:58.17 | jmcnaught | if the missing files are conffiles, you can restore them |
| 21:58.20 | jmcnaught | !confmiss |
| 21:58.20 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 21:58.23 | xboot | pressing a power button for 10 secs until it shutdown |
| 21:58.27 | xboot | cold reset |
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| 21:58.52 | xboot | well, i would like to know a reason instead of just restoring them to prevent such situation in future |
| 21:58.57 | jscoder | is there any DLNA server in debian that has a GUI config, integration with the filemanager or something of the sort that would be easy enough for my father to use? |
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| 22:01.33 | jscoder | basically I'm looking to store content on the debian desktop and access it on an amazon fire stick, and vlc + dlna seem to be the simplest option but minidlna and rygel are complicated to use for someone who operates a computer through point and click |
| 22:02.13 | jmcnaught | jscoder: rygel has a gui, you configure it in GNOME settingsj |
| 22:02.42 | jscoder | i had installed it and checked all through the Applications and System menus didn't see it anywhere |
| 22:02.46 | jmcnaught | it's under sharing as media sharing |
| 22:03.20 | jscoder | hmm maybe had to install the rygel-prefrences package |
| 22:03.24 | jmcnaught | the GUI allows you to choose which directories are shared, and on which networks. it seems to require using NetworkManager however |
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| 22:04.24 | jmcnaught | that package is an alternative to configuring rygel in the gnome settings |
| 22:04.45 | jscoder | yes that was it, the rygel-prefrences is an optional package that puts the config in the gnome settings |
| 22:05.41 | jmcnaught | that's strange because i don't have that package installed, i do have media sharing settings in GNOME, and the package description says "Normally you'd configure your sharing preferences with GNOME Control Center and not need this tool." |
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| 22:19.48 | forcerecon | paypal is working again with firefox esr../// odd |
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| 22:26.15 | purpois | Is it possible to use an inactive graphics card for video decoding or other acceleration? For example, an onboard chip when a PCIE one is actually doing the graphics output? |
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| 22:31.32 | dondelelcaro | purpois: in some cases, yes. But generally, no. |
| 22:31.50 | tw | purpois: it's technically possible, but I've never seen software attempt it. |
| 22:32.08 | dondelelcaro | (this is basically what people do who use GPUs as co-processors, for example) |
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| 22:33.13 | tw | you mean GPGPU? Sort of. I think VDPAU and VAAPI require decoding to a graphics surface on the active device? But you migh be able to convince it to do PRIME or something. |
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| 22:35.00 | purpois | But not really in an off-the-shelf type of way, then? More of a specific hardware and custom software type of thing, if at all? |
| 22:35.54 | tw | You would have to try hard for a minimal level of results. |
| 22:36.17 | tw | If you're at the limit of your budget, maybe it's worth the effort, but probably better to just upgrade GPU. |
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| 22:37.48 | purpois | Okay, that's a pretty clear don't bother in this case. Just seems funny to have extra processing power just sitting around, especially when it can sometimes be particularly useful. Maybe too fringe a case to be generally implemented, though there are probably quite a few unused onboard graphics chipsets "laying around". |
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| 22:39.17 | purpois | Thanks for the answers, dondelelcaro & tw. Have a evening (here) or whatever it is wherever you are. :) |
| 22:39.37 | purpois | Have a *good* whatever... |
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| 22:55.13 | likcoras | Hi, I'm running Windows under qemu + kvm with virt-manager, and changing the volume setting inside the vm changes the volume outside as well. How can I avoid this? I haven't had much luck searching for it, as qemu refers to storage devices and such "volumes" as well... |
| 22:55.36 | likcoras | I'm using pulseaudio on the host. |
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| 23:13.27 | lat3n8ta | i did a fresh install of stretch and things have indeed changed. iwconfig wlp2s0 rate 11M does not change the rate to 11M. how can i change the rate of my wireless interface on stretch? |
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| 23:22.28 | jmcnaught | likcoras: do other applications change the system volume the same way (like VLC for example?) You could try setting 'flat-volumes = no' in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf (pulse-daemon.conf(5)) |
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| 23:23.27 | likcoras | jmcnaught: Hm, I don't have any other applications installed that would do that, firefox doesn't do that from what I've seen, and neither does mpv. |
| 23:23.38 | likcoras | trying that now, though. |
| 23:27.00 | likcoras | Nope, still changing the volume. |
| 23:27.04 | likcoras | Restarted pulse and everything. |
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| 23:29.17 | jmcnaught | how did you restart pulse? |
| 23:30.29 | Atomic_wF4Ue | sudo service restart |
| 23:30.30 | likcoras | pulseaudio --kill and it restarted itself later. |
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| 23:31.04 | likcoras | https://www.spice-space.org/page/Features/AudioVolume seems relevant, but I can't seem to figure out how to disable it (assuming it's this feature that I want to disable) |
| 23:31.21 | jmcnaught | Atomic_wF4Ue: ? |
| 23:31.55 | likcoras | it says "Category: ProposedUpdates" but it's listed under "done" in https://www.spice-space.org/page/PlannedFeatures |
| 23:31.56 | jmcnaught | likcoras: it's not clear that this is a finished feature |
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| 23:33.29 | Atomic_wF4Ue | apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio |
| 23:33.52 | likcoras | Atomic_wF4Ue: ? |
| 23:33.56 | jmcnaught | Atomic_wF4Ue: it doesn't sound like you know much about pulseaudio so perhaps you're better off not contributing |
| 23:34.11 | transhuman_ | hi! I was really dumb and forgot to restrict a user access to their home directory only while accessing via ssh , can I set their permissions to only be in their home directory without logging them out? |
| 23:34.18 | Atomic_wF4Ue | reinstall? |
| 23:34.39 | likcoras | qemu-system-x86_64 -audio-help gets me this: http://ix.io/y9F is any of this relevant? |
| 23:34.43 | jmcnaught | likcoras: well it looks like stretch has spice 0.33. when you change the volume in the VM, does it always change the volume on the host, or only if 100% is surpassed? |
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| 23:35.34 | likcoras | I'm not 100% sure how it's changing the volume, but it's not only if it's over 100%. |
| 23:36.19 | likcoras | in fact, from what it looks like, any change in volume in the windows guest sets volume to... 85% |
| 23:37.15 | likcoras | nvm, setting it higher in the guest raises it on the host, but lowering it does not lower it on the host. Caps at 100% |
| 23:37.19 | jmcnaught | transhuman_: what are you trying to protect the user from? permissions changes on files happen immediately, but if the user already has a file open then it remains open for them |
| 23:37.36 | jmcnaught | err i guess protect from the user⦠|
| 23:37.58 | transhuman_ | what about setting the path, currently they are in their home directory doing what they should but want to make sure they stay that way |
| 23:38.01 | jmcnaught | likcoras: that sounds like it's still the behaviour of flat-volumes = yes |
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| 23:38.52 | lat3n8ta | i did a fresh install of stretch and things have indeed changed. iwconfig wlp2s0 rate 11M does not change the rate to 11M. how can i change the rate of my wireless interface on stretch? |
| 23:38.57 | jmcnaught | transhuman_: is there a specific directory you are trying to keep the user out of? what are the permissions of that directory, and what groups does the user belong to? |
| 23:39.10 | likcoras | Hm, I set it in ~/.config/pulse/daemon.conf, though, as in the manpage. |
| 23:39.48 | transhuman_ | everything but /home/<username> is my hope but out of root and out of my home directory would be nice ( they are downloading large files from me ) |
| 23:40.00 | jmcnaught | likcoras: i set mine in /etc but i think for you it could simply be that pulse didn't restart properly? |
| 23:40.23 | likcoras | killall -9 pulseaudio would definitely kill it, right? |
| 23:40.52 | jmcnaught | transhuman_: "chmod 700 ~" will keep all users except for you from being able to access your home directory |
| 23:41.05 | transhuman_ | I dont want to exactly kill there connection because they wont be around till monday and I want them to get the files |
| 23:41.23 | missmbob | likcoras: pulseaudio automatically restarts itself when you do that (by default) |
| 23:41.25 | likcoras | jmcnaught: didn't help. |
| 23:41.36 | transhuman_ | ok if thats the best I can do , my studity |
| 23:41.40 | transhuman_ | stupidity |
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| 23:42.36 | jmcnaught | transhuman_: a shell user does need access to other parts of the filesystem, like all the programs in /usr/bin for example. On a default setup regular users shouldn't be able to read sensitive things or alter anything outside of their own home directory |
| 23:45.00 | likcoras | jmcnaught: nevermind, I am retarded. "damon.conf", heh. |
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| 23:45.10 | likcoras | It seems to have been fixed now. Thanks. |
| 23:45.21 | transhuman_ | but it appears he can before he left he sent me a message indicating he accidentally started downloading /etc directory ..he stopped it and corrected the directory to the right one |
| 23:46.10 | transhuman_ | no worries I kinda trust him |
| 23:46.18 | transhuman_ | i just would rather not |
| 23:46.24 | likcoras | By default anything sensitive in /etc is read-protected, and user often needs to read(not write) stuff from /etc, eg. vim configuration files, and probably a lot of other applications as well. |
| 23:47.11 | jmcnaught | likcoras: ⺠glad you figured it out |
| 23:48.15 | likcoras | transhuman_: eg. various utilities and such need to be able to read /etc/passwd, but user wouldn't be able to see actual passwords, those are in /etc/shadow and only readable by root. |
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| 23:49.48 | likcoras | if even that's a problem, you could always set up chrooted sftp or ftp, but that would require logout. |
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| 23:50.25 | transhuman_ | yeah I know I can fix it if I log him out but I would rather not because he needs the files I am giving him access to |
| 23:50.58 | transhuman_ | I changed the permissions on my home directory which is good enough |
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