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| 00:17.32 | qmr | ehm. that conversation was from yesterday. oops. |
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| 00:53.41 | machinehum | I have two nics, one is static IP on 192.168.0.x, the other is dynamic and connected to the internet 192.168.10.x but for some reason I can only access devices on the local network if i turn off my internet network |
| 00:53.54 | machinehum | Does anyone have a good place to start to start debugging this? |
| 00:54.27 | machinehum | FYI accessing devices on local network using chromium that are hosting a webserver |
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| 00:54.54 | machinehum | Router, RPI etc... |
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| 00:57.12 | th0r | machinehum, check route. I bet everything including the local net is being routed to the gateway |
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| 00:59.55 | machinehum | th0r: Googleing now o7 |
| 00:59.58 | machinehum | Thanks! |
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| 01:42.35 | ldumont | Hey guys, I've just ran into an issue with Debian 9 on my laptop. When booting, the systemd-logind process fails to start and the system hangs. |
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| 01:56.31 | gglasses | Hey there. I am in fedora right now, is there a program I can install to create a USB booteable of Debian? :) |
| 01:58.20 | maher | gglasses: just cp an image to a usb disk... |
| 01:58.41 | gglasses | I did that last time and the USB gave errors :/ |
| 01:59.02 | maher | gglasses: try a different usb drive |
| 01:59.25 | missmbob | sudo cp foo.iso /dev/sdX (note it's the drive, not a partition) |
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| 02:00.07 | toruvinn | and please, PLEASE make sure it's the right sdX |
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| 02:00.44 | gglasses | Thanks guy! |
| 02:00.47 | gglasses | guys/gals* |
| 02:01.03 | gglasses | Do you know how can I format the USB I already have with the files? gnome gave me error |
| 02:01.37 | missmbob | you dont need to. iso contains it's own fs |
| 02:01.38 | toruvinn | gglasses, the thing is, the moment yo ustart copying the .iso to the drive, you're alreayd "formatting" it, as in overwriting eveyrthing on it. |
| 02:02.02 | toruvinn | gglasses, which is why it's so importaqnt to copy it to the right device, or you can overwrite your data on other disks in the pc. |
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| 02:02.58 | gglasses | missmbob: what does it means it contains his own "fs"? I want to learn :P |
| 02:03.17 | gglasses | toruvinn: Oh I see, ok, last time I don't remember using root to cp the files |
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| 02:03.39 | toruvinn | gglasses, well normal users generally dont have access to /dev/sdX devices, so... you need to be root for that |
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| 02:05.20 | gglasses | toruvinn: thank you a lot! |
| 02:05.41 | gglasses | Well, I am downloading the image right now, let us hope all goes well :D |
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| 02:15.44 | xk | hey guys in debian 8 jessie when I hit backspace in a terminal, konsole it was, the response was immediate, now in debian 9, it pauses for one second or so, kind of annoying, can I make it fast again? |
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| 02:18.02 | xk | in tty 1 it is fast no delay, so I guess some software slows it down. |
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| 02:18.38 | jmcnaught | xk: just in konsole? did you try others like gnome-terminal, terminator etc? |
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| 02:19.39 | xk | jmcnaught, let me see in some other terminals, what is a terminator? |
| 02:20.56 | jmcnaught | xk: it's a terminal emulator with features to divide the windows up into multiple shells |
| 02:21.01 | xk | jmcnaught, yes they all are the same, xterminal uterminal, delay for a second |
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| 02:22.06 | jmcnaught | xk: are you logging into KDE with X or with Wayland? Do you happen to have another DE installed that you could test? Also does it happen all the time with backspace, or only when other conditions are true? |
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| 02:25.10 | xk | jmcnaught, I believe it's X, don't know what wayland is, there's no other DE, it happens in firefox too when I hit backspace. |
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| 02:26.38 | xk | jmcnaught, are you saying there's no such problem for you? |
| 02:26.58 | xk | are u using stretch? |
| 02:27.18 | jmcnaught | xk: if you log out, take a look at the controls on the login screen, there should be a session selector. For GNOME (GDM) it's a gear shaped icon, there could be options for KDE with X, KDE with Plasma |
| 02:27.48 | xk | no there's only plasma session |
| 02:28.14 | jmcnaught | i'm on stretch with GNOME, before stretch went stable i noticed some weird typing lag under wayland, so i switched back to Xorg, now i'm back on wayland and the typing lag seems to be resolved |
| 02:28.19 | xk | it's sddm the login manager |
| 02:28.45 | jmcnaught | did you log out or switch user? if your user is already logged in, it wouldn't make sense for it to let you pick a different session type |
| 02:29.09 | jmcnaught | also i don't use KDE so i don't know if it's also wayland capable in stretch like gnome is |
| 02:31.00 | xk | back in jessie, only kde has no delay, the others like cinnamon has, now kde has the problem too, it has to be some software. |
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| 02:34.57 | xk | thank you all the same jmcnaught |
| 02:36.01 | LinuxGuy2020 | During the installation when it asks for firmware I tried feeding it a CD-R with all the firmware packages available. Doesnt work. If i copy the exact contents of the CD-R to a USB drive it works perfectly. I actiavted another console and tried to make a folder in /media to mount the cd into and it mounts but shows up as empty |
| 02:36.18 | LinuxGuy2020 | How can I mount and read a CD_R on an installation consoe? |
| 02:36.21 | LinuxGuy2020 | console |
| 02:36.45 | LinuxGuy2020 | So I dont have to keep a permanent USB drive with firmware |
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| 02:44.38 | jmcnaught | xk: have you looked in your logs? i would try running "journalctl -f" to follow the journal in one konsole window, then try typing in another konsole while you watch it |
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| 02:46.34 | xk | jmcnaught,well I think I found the place to correct this, it's in the system settings, keyboard, there's a delay option |
| 02:46.36 | jmcnaught | LinuxGuy2020: the firmwares are in their .deb files on the root directory of the CD? |
| 02:46.55 | jmcnaught | xk: is there a delay configured on your system? |
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| 02:47.50 | xk | although it's a bit different with what I get used to, the settings affect everything even here. I only wanted the backspace to work faster. but it's a solution. |
| 02:47.52 | jmcnaught | LinuxGuy2020: also why not use the netinst that includes firmware? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en |
| 02:48.04 | xk | jmcnaught, yes system-settings-keyboard |
| 02:48.53 | xk | jmcnaught, thank u |
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| 03:02.41 | gglasses | So, I ran "lsblk" in my terminal, second line says: sdb 8:16 1 7.5G 0 disk ... so I assume my command (in root) to copy Debian.iso to my USB would be: "cp debian.iso /dev/sdb" |
| 03:02.47 | gglasses | ^^ is that right? :D |
| 03:03.54 | jmcnaught | gglasses: you can also check dmesg right after plugging the USB stick in |
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| 03:04.19 | wfio | hello |
| 03:04.21 | jmcnaught | but if it makes sense in the context of your system that the 7.5G device is your USB stick, then you are correct |
| 03:05.03 | wfio | Has anyone experienced failed installs on the new 9.0.1? I'm experiencing a slight deviation of the issues identified in 9.0.0 for bug #865015 |
| 03:05.04 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/865015 in live-installer (closed): «debian-installer: Live installers are unable to start, "There was a problem reading data from the CD-ROM"»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-06-18; last modified: 2017-06-30. |
| 03:05.22 | gglasses | Yes, it makes sense jmcnaught :P that is the right size :P |
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| 03:08.07 | jmcnaught | wfio: others have been complaining about similar issues here. Why not use the network installer? |
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| 03:14.27 | gglasses | Does the network installer has a gui for choosing partitions to install? :o |
| 03:17.40 | wfio | The netiso? I've tried it. Same issue. |
| 03:17.49 | wfio | It crashes at "Copying files to disk" |
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| 03:21.24 | jmcnaught | wfio: what are you booting the installer from, and how did you copy the installer image? |
| 03:21.36 | jmcnaught | and what does it do when it crashes? |
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| 03:25.38 | wfio | I've DD'd the image to USB, used Etcher, tried to install to local disk -- I've also tried to do installs via VirtualBox, no bueno. |
| 03:26.09 | wfio | Odd behavior starts at attemping to set Network time, it fails, so I set it manually. Then the installer starts copying files to the disk. |
| 03:26.29 | wfio | Then I get error, "an installation step failed. you can try to run the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else. the failing step is: install the system" |
| 03:26.40 | wfio | at about 24% every time |
| 03:27.08 | wfio | The error I'm getting when I check it: please make sure you have inserted the debian boot cd-rom to continue with the installation |
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| 03:30.54 | jmcnaught | wfio: i don't know etcher, but programs like unetbooin and rufus are known to mangle Debian installer images. The correct way to copy them to USB is to copy the image directly to the device, not to a partition on the device |
| 03:31.09 | jmcnaught | did you maybe dd the image to /dev/sdx1 instead of /dev/sdx? |
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| 03:36.06 | wfio | ive done that too |
| 03:36.20 | wfio | i dd'd and i also just copied the hybrid-iso to a fat32 partition |
| 03:36.29 | wfio | also SHA256 checked all my images to confirm |
| 03:36.41 | wfio | Looks like netinstall is working so far via expert install |
| 03:36.57 | wfio | it's configuring base system right now so fingers crossed! |
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| 03:45.32 | gglasses | Guys. Should the USB stick be monted or not? |
| 03:45.41 | wfio | okay netinstall appears to be working |
| 03:45.53 | wfio | any idea why netinstall is working but full disc images arent? |
| 03:45.56 | gglasses | I read that the USB should not be mounted, but cp says: cp: cannot create regular file '/dev/sdb': No medium found |
| 03:47.19 | wfio | you have to mount the disk if you are going to copy to it |
| 03:47.36 | wfio | but if you are going to dd or cat the drive then you don't mount it b/c you are writing to the root of the disk |
| 03:47.38 | jmcnaught | wfio: there seem to be problems with the live installer |
| 03:47.50 | wfio | got it jmcnaught! :) |
| 03:48.20 | wfio | do you do multi-partition USB and copy the ISO into one part and then load other firmware onto a separate? |
| 03:48.20 | jmcnaught | gglasses: can you show the full command and output in a paste? |
| 03:48.34 | gglasses | Yes sure |
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| 03:49.18 | jmcnaught | the netinst image is already partitioned, and you can use the second partition to copy firmware .debs to. There is also an "unofficial" netinst image that includes firmwares, it is linked to in the install manual section covering firmwares |
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| 03:50.29 | gglasses | jmcnaught: https://pastebin.com/2ukavL9W |
| 03:51.31 | jmcnaught | gglasses: is /dev/sdb still listed by lsblk? |
| 03:51.50 | gglasses | jmcnaught: nope |
| 03:52.27 | jmcnaught | gglasses: unplug it, plug it back in, run dmesg and look at the last few messages |
| 03:52.45 | wfio | hey jmcnaught will debian continue to work okay if i ditch systemd and go back to legacy init? |
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| 03:53.33 | wfio | loaded question :-> |
| 03:53.58 | gglasses | jmcnaught: "[sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk" |
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| 03:55.01 | jmcnaught | wfio: probably most things will work, some stuff that uses systemd features might not work. GNOME comes to mind but there could be other stuff |
| 03:55.22 | jmcnaught | wfio: look at /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz for how to switch properly |
| 03:55.43 | jmcnaught | gglasses: does the cp command work now that you plugged it back in? |
| 03:55.58 | wfio | Did you see the bug release on systemd-dns? Apparently it's broken pretty bad. |
| 03:56.35 | gglasses | jmcnaught: it appears to be working, thanks :) |
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| 04:01.47 | gglasses | jmcnaught: well, I will either see you with Debian installed or... do not see you TT.TT brb. |
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| 04:11.43 | MACroshITe | bitcoin is more popular then ubuntu |
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| 04:15.57 | veek | hehe it's also more fraudulent: http://www.otcmarkets.com/edgar/GetFilingPdf?FilingID=11338566 |
| 04:16.26 | veek | that's coinsquare/goNumerical |
| 04:16.40 | veek | doing business with some shady diamond scammer |
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| 04:31.03 | somiaj | Trying to run a game that is compiled with mono in stretch. When I run the game I get some output and then the program just ends with no error or reason why. I have mono-complte installed and if I run mono on the server.exe that works. Unsure what libary I could be missing to get it to work. |
| 04:31.14 | somiaj | http://paste.debian.net/974198/ |
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| 04:36.57 | jmcnaught | somiaj: is there any sort of config file in the game's directory that says which runtime version the it's supposed to use? |
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| 04:38.30 | somiaj | jmcnaught: I was looking into that, but unsure how to change the run time by default. |
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| 04:39.34 | jmcnaught | somiaj: mono has a --runtime=VERSION option but i don't know where you'd get a list of available runtimes |
| 04:40.33 | somiaj | jmcnaught: I'm also unsure how I would call that for the .x86 binary that is being run. I could try to change the run time for the server, but it seems tow ork with the newer runtime. It is the game that isn't launching (and this isn't the only one, even an x86_64 game I tried files the same way. Righta fter it says it finds the config file it just stops. |
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| 04:44.47 | somiaj | hmm, it appears that in stretch mono-complete only installs version 4, and I think I need either version 2 or 3. Wonder what package I need. |
| 04:46.05 | MACroshITe | gona start copy paste unsolved forum questions |
| 04:46.07 | jmcnaught | somiaj: could it have something to do with the ahead-of-time compilation that mono does? maybe there are artifacts left over from the previous environment it ran in? |
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| 04:46.49 | somiaj | wonder if I just need to install the libmono-2.0-1 file for i386 |
| 04:46.55 | MACroshITe | is mono version 4.1 like on windows 10? |
| 04:48.08 | somiaj | Mono JIT compiler version 4.6.2 (Debian 4.6.2.7+dfsg-1) -- that is the version in stretch |
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| 04:48.38 | jmcnaught | maybe Debian dropped older versions of Mono? |
| 04:48.54 | somiaj | seems libmomo-2.0-1 isn't fully multiarch, I would have to remove the amd64 libaries to get the 2.0-1 libary. |
| 04:49.42 | somiaj | but I have another game that alos uses mono, it comes with an x86_64 binary, and it fails in the exact same right, right after setting tne Mono config path, then nothing. |
| 04:49.52 | jmcnaught | the description of that package sounds more like a component of mono than a runtime version |
| 04:51.11 | somiaj | well the games come with their own libmono.so that seems to be found correctly, looking at their mono configs etc/mono directory I see 1.0 and 2.0, so maybe it is some runtime issue with not being compadable with older versions in stretch. |
| 04:53.02 | jmcnaught | do the games work in steam on debian, but you're trying to make them work without steam? |
| 04:53.20 | somiaj | they don't work in steam, so I'm running them manually trying to debug why. |
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| 04:54.14 | jmcnaught | are there mono libraries in the steamos runtime that it downloads to your $HOME? |
| 04:54.17 | somiaj | when I run them from steam I get the exact same output in .xsession-errors |
| 04:55.59 | somiaj | I don't see anything related to mono in $HOME/.steam |
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| 04:57.33 | somiaj | hmm, even in jessie I'm only seeing one version of mono-runtime, I'm not quite seeing how to use older runtime versions in debian. |
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| 04:59.29 | jmcnaught | http://www.mono-project.com/docs/about-mono/compatibility/ i take this to mean that the current version of mono supports older .NET versions |
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| 05:03.48 | somiaj | yea, wish I would get some output that would give me some clue what was missing. |
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| 05:04.26 | somiaj | I seem to have all the mono packages installed and the server runs just fine, it sonly the games that don't. I am usuing nvidia-nonfree, but usually that works well with steam games. |
| 05:04.34 | somiaj | though these are the first mono games I have gotten. |
| 05:05.00 | jmcnaught | it would be nice if it said which version of the runtime it wants |
| 05:05.25 | jmcnaught | https://askubuntu.com/questions/502329/how-to-list-all-available-mono-runtimes/517798 |
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| 05:06.37 | somiaj | tried that, didn't have any different output with using the versions provided. |
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| 05:06.52 | somiaj | I couldn't find any decent output in gacutil -l | less |
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| 05:12.09 | jmcnaught | bummer. i don't have any mono games in steam. |
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| 05:15.45 | somiaj | hmm, seems Bastion also uses mono and works just fine on my system. But it appears it bundels the version of mono it needs and maybe the issue is with the system mono in stretch. |
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| 05:28.24 | somiaj | downloaded some game I found that is made in mono, and it works just fine too. So it is something specific that these two games I'm trying to run are missing. |
| 05:28.31 | somiaj | ls |
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| 05:30.16 | somiaj | both the .x86 and .x86_64 bins work, and I get the same output as the games that don't, but after that the game runs and I get more output. Oi, would love to get a useful error. |
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| 05:31.59 | jmcnaught | somiaj: i haven't used steam on Debian very much, but on Windows the first time a game is run there's often an install phase, is there anything like that that needs to happen for these games? |
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| 05:34.55 | somiaj | jmcnaught: not that I know of, I did the install like i have done all other games that work. I only went to running them from the cli when they didn't just work from steam. |
| 05:35.09 | somiaj | I could uninstall and reinstall them, but since both are having hte same issue I think there is some other underlaying culprit. |
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| 05:36.35 | somiaj | I have had good exerpience with steam games so far. I only have played about a dozen, but these are the first two I couldn't figure out how to make work. |
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| 05:38.39 | jmcnaught | did you look in the steam community forums for those games? they're often quite active |
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| 05:41.38 | latemus | where can i find the torrent files for old versions. doesnt the project put old downloads on a separate server? |
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| 05:51.25 | somiaj | jmcnaught: didn't find anything useful, been searching around for a while now |
| 05:52.01 | somiaj | jmcnaught: anyways thanks. I'll come back to this another day. Only out $5 for the two games togehter, but still wish they would work. |
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| 06:08.43 | maxcell_ | How can i install Debian 9 to boot alongside with Windows 10 UEFI mode? |
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| 06:10.47 | MACroshITe | UEFI was supposed to make windows the one and only |
| 06:11.43 | MACroshITe | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hd_NEvwr3M |
| 06:12.35 | MACroshITe | i guess intel though otherwise |
| 06:13.44 | sumyunseal | mac had refi first |
| 06:14.01 | sumyunseal | ufei |
| 06:14.46 | MACroshITe | and android |
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| 06:15.39 | maxcell_ | i just install windows in UEFI mode because i find it a little faster to start, i thought UEFI was just a newer thing on BIOS and have nothing to do with the windows. i dont really know too much about these stuffs |
| 06:15.51 | MACroshITe | android got some pretty shity bootloader too that you cant update the OS |
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| 06:16.45 | maxcell_ | had* |
| 06:17.44 | MACroshITe | secure boot its a UEFI thing |
| 06:18.23 | maxcell_ | i dont even know what it does, i just like because it says it is secure |
| 06:18.49 | MACroshITe | it was supposed to secure windows bottom line |
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| 06:19.08 | MACroshITe | not leting other OSs to boot |
| 06:20.06 | MACroshITe | and now MS wants to make your personal dirs readonly |
| 06:20.32 | maxcell_ | OMG |
| 06:20.37 | MACroshITe | only stupid MS apps can write to them |
| 06:21.06 | maxcell_ | so, thats why i couldn't paste a file in my windows dirs back in the day? |
| 06:21.08 | MACroshITe | cause of ramdomwares |
| 06:21.35 | maxcell_ | i mount the ntfs-3g partitions and couldn't write into |
| 06:21.47 | maxcell_ | found that strange |
| 06:22.28 | maxcell_ | and thought to myself, how the hell they manage to prevent me to write into ntfs partitions? |
| 06:24.47 | MACroshITe | pretty sson only MS can have write permissions thru remote assistence |
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| 06:26.28 | maxcell_ | im not entirely sure if i understand what you said but, your telling me that secure boot manage to prevent linux users to write in ntfs partitions? |
| 06:26.44 | MACroshITe | no thats what you said |
| 06:26.57 | maxcell_ | oh |
| 06:27.26 | MACroshITe | secure boot manage to prevent linux from booting up |
| 06:27.32 | MACroshITe | thats what i said |
| 06:27.35 | maxcell_ | got it |
| 06:28.07 | DeaDSouL | does anyone know what 'i801_smbus' driver is for? |
| 06:28.25 | MACroshITe | it used before they had to coffup the keys so not to get slapped with anti competitive practices |
| 06:28.45 | maxcell_ | i can be wrong and have done something wrong but, i mounted up the ntfs partitions and couldn't write on. Then i change the permissions of the "folder" but no success aswell |
| 06:30.07 | MACroshITe | you need to be admin |
| 06:31.14 | maxcell_ | its being a while i really dont remember exactly, nvm |
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| 06:32.26 | MACroshITe | peep |
| 06:32.36 | sumyunseal | huh |
| 06:32.42 | sumyunseal | i am admin |
| 06:33.12 | sumyunseal | whats up |
| 06:33.14 | MACroshITe | you need to run with trusted installer |
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| 06:33.32 | MACroshITe | trusted installer is the new top dog in windows 10 |
| 06:33.37 | MACroshITe | and windows 8 |
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| 06:34.23 | XeonSquared | copy cmd.exe to sethc.exe, press shift 5 times on the login screen, get a command prompt as the most powerful user on the system |
| 06:34.42 | XeonSquared | because obviously the login screen should run as the most powerful, not the least |
| 06:36.03 | MACroshITe | thats so you cant copy cmd.exe to sethc.exe |
| 06:36.05 | XeonSquared | s/powerful/powerful user/ |
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| 06:36.35 | XeonSquared | If you can access startup recovery you can do it |
| 06:36.44 | XeonSquared | I think it was startup recovery, anyway. |
| 06:36.57 | XeonSquared | Windows security is like trying to stop water with a sieve |
| 06:37.27 | MACroshITe | you dont need to login has admin to recover? |
| 06:37.38 | XeonSquared | Nope. |
| 06:37.43 | XeonSquared | No auth whatsoever |
| 06:38.16 | maxcell_ | I know that there is a way to start linux up in root with some commands in grub as well |
| 06:38.41 | XeonSquared | Yup, modify the cmdline to init=/bin/bash |
| 06:38.43 | maxcell_ | You cant secure a machine if you have phisical access to it |
| 06:38.50 | maxcell_ | yes that is Xeon |
| 06:38.55 | maxcell_ | that is it |
| 06:38.58 | maher | maxcell: encrypt the hd |
| 06:39.01 | maxcell_ | init=/bin/bash |
| 06:39.08 | MACroshITe | i recon windows thinks that if you had the recovery CD you muist be the admin |
| 06:39.09 | XeonSquared | If you encrypt your /boot and have a BIOS password it's almost okay |
| 06:39.22 | XeonSquared | Still not foolproof but it's better than nothing |
| 06:39.23 | maxcell_ | hmm thats a good idea |
| 06:39.39 | maxcell_ | never thought about that |
| 06:40.24 | XeonSquared | It also helps to sign your GRUB for use with Secure Boot but that assumes your UEFI implementation works properly |
| 06:40.29 | MACroshITe | then you forget the password and you just wanna cry |
| 06:40.29 | XeonSquared | (spoiler: they generally don't) |
| 06:40.32 | maxcell_ | no in windows if you put the pendrive/cd you can go to the recovery mode without any password or anything |
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| 06:42.26 | maxcell_ | Why secure boot with grub Xeon? |
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| 06:42.55 | XeonSquared | Can still boot other systems with BIOS bootloaders from GRUB but can't do it without going through GRUB or the BIOS |
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| 06:44.40 | maxcell_ | hehe i see |
| 06:46.07 | maxcell_ | basically you are telling me that if you put a Lilo in the pendrive you could boot any linux that is installed on the machine |
| 06:46.29 | XeonSquared | Uh? |
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| 06:47.10 | XeonSquared | By default, probably. |
| 06:47.14 | XeonSquared | In my setup, not a chance. |
| 06:47.36 | XeonSquared | Unless like |
| 06:47.44 | XeonSquared | you poke the UEFI implementation and it falls over |
| 06:47.44 | maxcell_ | I mean, why put the secure boot on the grub if you arent protecting anything |
| 06:48.15 | XeonSquared | which, considering that it implements half the win32 API and has zero testing, is rather likely |
| 06:48.43 | XeonSquared | You sign the GRUB efi stub, which then reads the encrypted /boot partition, ie you can only boot any OS through GRUB or the BIOS |
| 06:49.35 | maxcell_ | Yes i understand, to prevent bad things |
| 06:49.56 | maxcell_ | very cool |
| 06:51.00 | maxcell_ | When you encrypt the /boot it asks for a password to boot up? |
| 06:51.46 | XeonSquared | Yup. |
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| 06:52.59 | MACroshITe | if you mft file isnt encripted already |
| 06:53.01 | maxcell_ | of course |
| 06:54.37 | MACroshITe | them you forget the password and game over |
| 06:55.21 | MACroshITe | you also need to password the UEFI |
| 06:55.32 | MACroshITe | dont forget about that |
| 06:56.10 | maxcell_ | what if you put the HD in another computer and change the content of the /boot partition? |
| 06:56.35 | XeonSquared | well, then it changes the boot partition |
| 06:56.40 | XeonSquared | but you need the encryption password for that |
| 06:56.57 | XeonSquared | and if you change the GRUB it is no longer signed and will no longer boot |
| 06:56.58 | maxcell_ | even with that mounted in another computer? |
| 06:57.28 | maxcell_ | oh got it |
| 06:57.52 | maxcell_ | so you disable the Secure Boot from the BIOS and voila |
| 06:58.18 | maxcell_ | in case that you doesn't remember your grubs password |
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| 07:04.04 | sumyunseal | any1 using lux |
| 07:04.14 | MACroshITe | me |
| 07:04.28 | sumyunseal | i want |
| 07:04.37 | MACroshITe | im using debian streetch |
| 07:04.42 | sumyunseal | me2 |
| 07:04.48 | sumyunseal | o__o |
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| 07:06.24 | MACroshITe | m igood for the next 6 years |
| 07:06.36 | sumyunseal | i had wheezy for 5 yrs |
| 07:06.41 | sumyunseal | lelelel |
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| 07:07.05 | sumyunseal | debian slaps ubuntu around |
| 07:07.35 | MACroshITe | and runs circles around it |
| 07:07.45 | sumyunseal | lelel |
| 07:07.59 | sumyunseal | too stable |
| 07:08.30 | sumyunseal | packages so old |
| 07:08.37 | MACroshITe | i might switch to denuvian |
| 07:08.48 | sumyunseal | almost rusty |
| 07:08.54 | MACroshITe | cause systemd |
| 07:08.56 | sumyunseal | but sturdy |
| 07:09.41 | sumyunseal | systems? |
| 07:09.55 | MACroshITe | randsomwares already used systemd to wreck havok on linuxs |
| 07:10.09 | sumyunseal | oh |
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| 07:12.18 | MACroshITe | http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/erebus-resurfaces-as-linux-ransomware/ |
| 07:12.32 | MACroshITe | its been ported from windows |
| 07:12.41 | sumyunseal | omfg |
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| 07:13.06 | sumyunseal | whats before systemd |
| 07:13.22 | MACroshITe | initd |
| 07:13.29 | sumyunseal | ya |
| 07:13.34 | sumyunseal | i like ignited |
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| 07:13.59 | MACroshITe | that would be igntd |
| 07:14.08 | sumyunseal | hows sisd dif from intd |
| 07:14.26 | MACroshITe | its not unix like |
| 07:14.38 | MACroshITe | it breaks the matra |
| 07:14.47 | MACroshITe | do one thing and do it well |
| 07:14.56 | sumyunseal | ah u bitch |
| 07:15.02 | sumyunseal | omfg |
| 07:15.05 | MACroshITe | systmd does everything |
| 07:15.11 | sumyunseal | i have 2 delte it |
| 07:15.53 | MACroshITe | then you cant boot |
| 07:16.17 | sumyunseal | i still have wheezy |
| 07:17.20 | MACroshITe | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy |
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| 07:19.27 | nedd_ | dang wheezy have issue with php5.6 which is owncloud 10 requirement |
| 07:19.31 | MACroshITe | technically you can boot linux |
| 07:19.38 | MACroshITe | but just the kernel |
| 07:19.46 | nedd_ | i use jessie |
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| 07:34.23 | MACroshITe | https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/06/30/2024250/with-a-single-wiretap-order-us-authorities-listened-in-on-33-million-phone-calls |
| 07:34.33 | MACroshITe | hail the police |
| 07:35.04 | cybrNaut | sounds like the police are doing their job, and the court fucked up |
| 07:35.19 | cybrNaut | (judging from the title) |
| 07:35.35 | MACroshITe | the police would work soo much better with out courts |
| 07:35.53 | cybrNaut | Judge Dredd |
| 07:37.46 | cybrNaut | no mention in that article of the name of the judge who should be crucified |
| 07:38.47 | MACroshITe | lol |
| 07:39.05 | MACroshITe | try crucify the police |
| 07:39.12 | MACroshITe | see what happends |
| 07:39.48 | MACroshITe | they the ones who crucify everyone else |
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| 08:36.04 | Raziel_ | Updating packages yesterday broke my login service in Stretch D: Can't even get to a shell. |
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| 08:43.08 | bitcoinx | how to install avconv on debian stretch? |
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| 08:44.47 | bitcoinx | phew ok libav-tools |
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| 08:59.51 | bch | hi, i am trying to install extlinux on debian 8.8. I don't see the extlinux.conf file somewhere? (after installation) |
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| 09:31.36 | yekk | hi, I'm wondering why entering (cd) into d-----x--- directory doesn't work (Permission denied). I'm in the directory group |
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| 09:32.52 | yekk | d--x------ works but not d-----x--- |
| 09:33.02 | rudi_s | Are you the owner? |
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| 09:33.22 | yekk | yes owner + group, it's debian user |
| 09:33.37 | yekk | I can't explain this group denied stuff |
| 09:34.10 | jelly | if you're the owner, owner is the effective permission? |
| 09:34.36 | jelly | try with a different member of the same group |
| 09:34.45 | rudi_s | Yes. |
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| 09:35.22 | yekk | there's not other user in the group. Debian create a group per user |
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| 09:35.56 | yekk | but this a not related to debian, my concern is why entry into 010 perm does not work |
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| 09:36.49 | jelly | if you haven't tested with a second user in the same group, you don't know it "does not work" |
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| 09:38.55 | yekk | no, there's something about chdir syscall that I don't know |
| 09:39.13 | yekk | when I do cd my euid is me |
| 09:39.43 | yekk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:42.09 | jelly | yekk: if you're not even willing to test the theory user permissions, including disabled ones, take precedence over group persmissions, and group permissions take precedence over other permissions, then I don't see a way to offer further help |
| 09:45.32 | yekk | jelly: got it thanks: I thought that If user where belonging to group system could grant "better permission" (some kind of logical OR between user permission, which is --- and group permission, which is --x) |
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| 09:51.45 | antergos | testing |
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| 09:58.16 | BluesKaj | Howdy folks |
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| 10:04.19 | lezsakdomi | Hi! Is there a shell independent way to set the locale per-user? |
| 10:04.45 | ned_- | This my apache2.4 theming on my jessie http://cybervalley.tk/ |
| 10:05.13 | ned_- | you mean sudo for shell ? |
| 10:06.46 | lezsakdomi | For example zsh doesn't read the ~/.profile. |
| 10:07.04 | ned_- | :/ |
| 10:07.08 | lezsakdomi | But anyway, on Arch there is a .config/locale.conf |
| 10:07.13 | lezsakdomi | Similar on debian? |
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| 10:08.00 | lezsakdomi | My best idea currently is to create such a file, append a link to it in .bashrc and before every query, source that. |
| 10:08.56 | Darby_Crash | hi guys. In laptop-mode-tools how can i disable usb autosuspend? |
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| 10:10.37 | Raziel_ | Oh my god, I fixed it. \o/ dbus-1/system.conf included itself, so it ended in an endless loop, which caused dbus to fail when starting. I don't even understand how that can happen, I never touched that file. |
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| 10:11.05 | ned_- | :) |
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| 10:15.48 | armin | lezsakdomi: you can easily make zsh or any other shell read .profile or .blah or whatever file where you set LC_ALL and LANG. |
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| 10:16.36 | armin | lezsakdomi: i'm not aware of something like a locale.conf in a users home directory, though. |
| 10:17.08 | lezsakdomi | But what is the convention? |
| 10:17.38 | armin | lezsakdomi: the convention is that you can set $LANG and $LC_ALL to control how a program behaves, i think. |
| 10:18.02 | lezsakdomi | I mean... Where to set them? |
| 10:18.21 | lezsakdomi | Wherever man can? |
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| 10:19.02 | lat3n8ta | i did a fresh install of stretch and things have indeed changed. iwconfig wlp2s0 rate 11M does not change the rate to 11M. how can i change the rate of my wireless interface on stretch? |
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| 10:19.52 | armin | lezsakdomi: in some file that is being read when you log in. i just live with the fact that distributions are different anyways and set the in some .env file that i read from bashrc/bash_profile/profile/whatever, but feel free to find out where the actual differences between all the distributions are and what files are being sourced in what order on what distro if you like. |
| 10:20.11 | pesho | Does Debian 9 stretch support wifi cards? |
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| 10:20.39 | armin | pesho: pretty much so. |
| 10:20.50 | lezsakdomi | :( |
| 10:21.04 | lezsakdomi | Thanks, armin |
| 10:21.08 | pesho | @armin so some of wifi cards aren't supported? |
| 10:21.48 | armin | lezsakdomi: systemd even introduced a new "localectl" program to control these things but i never actually used that i have to admit. feel free to dive in deeper, but in the end you're probably just controlling those variables that "locale" outputs, anyways, i assume. |
| 10:22.26 | lezsakdomi | That's what I want! Ty! |
| 10:22.49 | armin | pesho: debian supports a lot of cards that don't have proprietary drivers, out of the box. there might be hardware that requires you to enable the "non-free" drivers, too. |
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| 10:23.52 | armin | lezsakdomi: sorry for my confusing replies, i guess my way of setting locales is just not the preferred way nowadays anymore. |
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| 10:25.26 | pesho | armin, so still one way to find out is to use live iso and find out and non-free drivers are from non-free repository. Did I guess right? |
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| 10:27.40 | F14W3D | hello! is there any plan to release openvpn 2.4.3 to debian main repo? |
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| 10:30.59 | nkuttler | ,v openvpn |
| 10:31.00 | judd | Package: openvpn on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.1-8+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2.2.1-8+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 2.3.2-7~bpo70+2; jessie: 2.3.4-5+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2.4.0-6~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.4.0-6; buster: 2.4.3-2; sid: 2.4.3-4 |
| 10:31.27 | nkuttler | F14W3D: do you mean main, or stable? |
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| 10:32.53 | jmcnaught | F14W3D: and are you asking because of a feature, or because of a security fix? |
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| 10:35.11 | F14W3D | nkuttler: well .. guess it is stable then ... |
| 10:35.21 | F14W3D | jmcnaught: booth |
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| 10:35.29 | F14W3D | both* |
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| 10:38.38 | jubo2 | does the new release dance |
| 10:38.42 | jmcnaught | F14W3D: Debian backports security fixes to the version of the package in the stable release. You can track security issues for a package with the tracker: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/openvpn |
| 10:39.16 | jubo2 | The hosting guys had the cloud-ready Debian9 kernel on day zero |
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| 10:39.41 | jubo2 | at least they told me in advance there will be slight delay to get the kernel that is "cloud compatible" |
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| 10:40.36 | phogg | jubo2: what makes a kernel cloud compatible? |
| 10:40.50 | jubo2 | I do not knows. I not texy. |
| 10:41.26 | F14W3D | also because raspbian keeps track of debian, and I am actually contributing to pivpn and there are plenty of users asking about version 2.4.3, which makes sense ... so, I asked my self about this .. and came here ... also to offer my help in what i can! =) |
| 10:41.35 | jubo2 | phogg: this is what I heard that some minor modifications are needed to get the OS to the OpenStack-based cloud |
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| 10:42.11 | pesho | bye guys |
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| 10:46.11 | jmcnaught | Debian releases openstack images |
| 10:47.05 | jmcnaught | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/openstack/ |
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| 10:49.15 | lat3n8ta | i did a fresh install of stretch and things have indeed changed. iwconfig wlp2s0 rate 11M does not change the rate to 11M. how can i change the rate of my wireless interface on stretch? |
| 10:49.34 | sinovelputra | Hallo |
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| 10:49.48 | sinovelputra | hallo |
| 10:50.16 | sinovelputra | what ur name>? |
| 10:50.37 | sinovelputra | ok |
| 10:51.09 | bazhang | sinovelputra, #debian-offtopic for chit chat |
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| 11:04.08 | ahmed751995 | every time i use sudo apt update i got this message |
| 11:04.08 | ahmed751995 | W: http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/Release.gpg: The key(s) in the |
| 11:04.08 | ahmed751995 | keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not readable by user |
| 11:04.08 | ahmed751995 | '_apt' executing apt-key |
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| 11:04.32 | ahmed751995 | what is that ? |
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| 11:10.18 | jmcnaught | ahmed751995: check the permissions on that file with ls -l |
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| 11:15.12 | ahmed751995 | jmcnaught: the output : (-rw------- 1 root root 32 Jul  1 13:00 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg) |
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| 11:15.35 | bluewhitew | someone knows why when recompiling grub2, make install doesn't copy grub-install? |
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| 11:17.44 | jmcnaught | ahmed751995: that file should be rw-r--r-- "chmod 644 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg" |
| 11:18.06 | jmcnaught | ahmed751995: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#apt-issues |
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| 11:19.49 | BluesKaj | why compile grub ? there's no need for that, bluewhitew |
| 11:20.06 | bluewhitew | im just learn how it works |
| 11:20.41 | bluewhitew | by the way it works well, just im curious about make install dont copy grub-install |
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| 11:23.09 | ahmed751995 | jmcnaught: how can i fix that |
| 11:23.37 | ahmed751995 | jmcnaught: for normal user :D |
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| 11:25.31 | BluesKaj | bluewhitew, most users don't compile grub because it's usually installed by default ...it might take a while for an answer |
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| 11:26.15 | bluewhitew | BluesKaj: no problem... i want just to study some modules... im hacking around hello.mod now ... thnx anyway |
| 11:26.29 | BluesKaj | bluewhitew, you could ask in #grub |
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| 11:26.58 | bluewhitew | BluesKaj: sure thnx ;) |
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| 11:32.44 | newbie0815 | how to install nvidia drivers in stretch? |
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| 11:38.36 | ahmed751995 | how can i change file from -rw------- to -rw-r--r-- |
| 11:40.56 | nvz | ahmed751995: chmod 644 file |
| 11:42.34 | nvz | ahmed751995: 4=read, 2=write, 1=execute add to combine perms, first bit is user, second is group, third is other |
| 11:44.53 | ahmed751995 | nvz: thank you very very much |
| 11:45.08 | nvz | ahmed751995: technically first bit is suid,guid,sticky as there are 4 total but any omitted bits are assumed to be 0 |
| 11:45.22 | nvz | so 644 is actually 0644 |
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| 11:49.27 | nvz | you could also do which relatively sets perms but i find absolute octal perms easier in most cases chmod go+r file |
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| 11:52.49 | ahmed751995 | go+r file = 644 |
| 11:53.37 | nvz | no go+ = add r to group and other |
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| 11:54.55 | nvz | if file was 600 then go+r would make it 644 but if it was 622 itd make it 666 |
| 11:55.09 | frozenrouter | I am using debian 9 to set up a multipurpose server, inluding use for file sharing. Other than samba, is there a good alternative to NFS for sharing to linux clients that can use authentication as a user on the server? |
| 11:55.28 | nvz | using the letters is relative to the current permissions using octal digits is absolute |
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| 11:56.06 | ahmed751995 | mmmmmm now i understand |
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| 11:56.23 | ahmed751995 | nvz: thanks a lot nvz |
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| 11:56.48 | nvz | frozenrouter: those two smb and nfs are the main ones you also have webdav, sshfs, ftp, and such |
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| 11:58.54 | frozenrouter | do you know which of the alternatives is the best in terms of security and reliability? I would like to be able to mount the share into the filesystem of clients. |
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| 11:59.23 | ParrotSec_ | how do i extract a .deb with tar |
| 12:01.36 | ParrotSec_ | how do i extract a .deb without dpkg |
| 12:01.42 | nvz | frozenrouter: nfs is the easiest in my opinion and can be done in the kernel sshfs with keys would probably be more secure. its really up to you any of them can have security added by tunneling, additional auth methods, etc |
| 12:02.01 | nvz | ParrotSec_: debs are ar archives, use ar command |
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| 12:03.10 | ParrotSec_ | ok |
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| 12:03.54 | frozenrouter | ok. the main reason that I look for an alternative to nfs is that my client base is difficult to keep stable, and the best security approach I have found for NFS is to control which ip addresses can access the share, however using keys with sshfs sounds like it might be just what I am looking for. Thanks! |
| 12:04.26 | ParrotSec_ | how come when i open the same package with engrampa the structure is different? (i get DEBIAN and usr) |
| 12:05.26 | nvz | inside the ar archive is contol and data tars |
| 12:05.51 | nvz | maybe grampa knows best, maybe hes senile |
| 12:06.48 | ParrotSec_ | lel |
| 12:08.16 | nvz | for all i know he keeps popcicles in his basement |
| 12:08.27 | ParrotSec_ | lol |
| 12:08.51 | ned_- | ;) |
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| 12:10.11 | nvz | you just dont go down there to find out... just like im not going to install and strace engrampa |
| 12:10.58 | ParrotSec_ | lol |
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| 12:15.11 | ParrotSec_ | how do i ar to stdout |
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| 12:15.27 | ParrotSec_ | like pipe the extraction into tar |
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| 12:22.36 | linuxnewbie0815 | please. I need urgent help. Under stretch I installed invida-driver for my "geforce 310M". now after reboot I am only logged to tty. I also cannot reactivate noveau. anybody that could help me? |
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| 12:44.28 | pesho | Hello to all. Is it a chat which includes general questions? |
| 12:45.16 | BluesKaj | pesho, depends on your question, but be specific |
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| 12:46.22 | pesho | ok then. TO all 1 636 users in the chat........... Why to use Debian instead of Fedora? |
| 12:46.27 | abrotman | he just said it was a general question .. |
| 12:46.30 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 12:46.31 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
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| 12:47.27 | hubot | make[1]: *** /lib/modules/4.9.24-v7+/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
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| 12:48.39 | BluesKaj | abrotman, yeah, my humour didn't translate thru the text very well |
| 12:48.42 | Achelon | Hi guys, I'm having an issue with Debian Stretch hanging and could do with some clues as to how to troubleshoot the issue |
| 12:49.21 | hubot | I need compile cryptodev on debian |
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| 12:49.22 | grwand | generally speaking, if a program says 'core dumped' and i am not one of the devs, can i fix it? |
| 12:49.35 | BluesKaj | Achelon, check /var/log/syslog for errors |
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| 12:51.29 | password4 | Hi |
| 12:51.42 | password4 | How do i set proxy in terminal? |
| 12:52.23 | password4 | I tried exporting , but it does not seem to do anything |
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| 12:53.32 | pesho | so nobody'll answer to my question or nobody've an answer to my question |
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| 13:21.01 | aekkie | Hi Leute, ich hab ma ne blöde Frage (bitte nich auslachen), aber wie kann man nen Kernel patchen? Ich hab schon jede Menge Anleitungen gelesen, die doch sehr unterschiedlich sind. Es geht um nen Treiber für das ClickPad für das Lenovo x240 mit den 3 Tasten. Der Treiber sollte laut thinkpad-forum (https://thinkpad-forum.de/threads/184258-Haswell-ThinkPads-ClickPad-mit-TrackPoint-Tasten-verbaubar!/page8) der hier sein: https://git.kernel.org/ |
| 13:21.02 | aekkie | [15:08:09] <aekkie> pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/dtor/input.git/commit/?h=for-linus&id=6067fe5e0bf29f525561c8281d01011cfc9ebbd4 |
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| 13:22.23 | aekkie | Thank you ^.^ |
| 13:23.17 | jelly | !de |
| 13:23.18 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 13:23.49 | aekkie | ^.^ |
| 13:24.04 | aekkie | thank you verry much jelly ^.^ |
| 13:25.01 | itachi | hello |
| 13:25.12 | itachi | anyone from swiss |
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| 14:29.21 | cnu- | how can i make debian9 give my network interfaces sane names? i tried creating /etc/systemd/network/x.link files like the systemd manual said, but it didn't change anything |
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| 14:51.55 | wfio | Did anyone notice that all of the links on the debian distribution page are still pointing to the 9.0.0 images? |
| 14:52.19 | wfio | Same for netinst |
| 14:53.26 | wfio | Sorry to be a complainer but this is really just annoying. How are the full sized images in 9.0.1 still broken? Are the devs working on fixing them? Netinst is pita to run :-> |
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| 14:54.29 | wfio | otherwise I love it ;-) |
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| 14:56.18 | awal1 | 9.0.1? |
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| 15:14.50 | Laserburn | my stretch upgrade just failed while upgrading syslog-ng after I selected the default of continuing to use my config |
| 15:14.54 | Laserburn | has anyone else run into this problem? |
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| 15:15.14 | nkuttler | Laserburn: paste.debian.net the error |
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| 15:16.14 | Laserburn | paste.debian.net/974245 |
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| 15:17.15 | nkuttler | Laserburn: systemctl status syslog-ng.service -l |
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| 15:17.50 | nkuttler | Laserburn: btw, do you have a reason not to use the default syslog? |
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| 15:18.20 | Laserburn | paste.debian.net/974247 |
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| 15:18.25 | nkuttler | if not, it might be better to go with the default and better tested rsyslog |
| 15:18.38 | Laserburn | I did have a reason, but I can't recall that reason at this time...it was years ago that I first installed it |
| 15:18.55 | nkuttler | meh. those logs are as useful as always.. |
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| 15:19.13 | Laserburn | that's kinda how I felt about it |
| 15:19.33 | nkuttler | i don't know, i usually look at the exec start command and try to run it by hand.. |
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| 15:21.00 | Laserburn | stretch upgrade has also broken nagios on two of my systems now |
| 15:21.18 | nkuttler | congratulations |
| 15:21.29 | Laserburn | and anything that relies on php |
| 15:21.37 | Laserburn | bit frustrating... |
| 15:21.56 | nkuttler | did you verify your applications can run on the packaged php version? |
| 15:22.13 | nkuttler | and really, focus on one problem |
| 15:22.36 | Laserburn | I am focused solely on the syslog issue at this time. |
| 15:22.52 | Laserburn | the rest is just bitching about two other issues that stretch has given me extra hours on. |
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| 15:24.34 | Laserburn | I know how to handle the php and nagios issues, although I must admit that the community's response to the nagios issue so far has been "why aren't you using x fork instead" |
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| 15:37.52 | grwand | is there a log file which holds all the write operations of apt? |
| 15:38.10 | nkuttler | grwand: as in each file written? no |
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| 15:42.16 | AlmuHS | hi all |
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| 15:52.30 | aib | how can I 1) list apt sources 2) list packages for a specific apt source in the command line, please? |
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| 15:56.37 | firef1y | Does anybody know if Stretch (I think that |
| 15:56.54 | firef1y | 's the new one) supports Kaby Lake iGPU? |
| 15:57.47 | missmbob | enough to install. you'll want to compile 4.11 kernel yourself |
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| 15:59.28 | firef1y | so stretch really doesn't support it? |
| 15:59.38 | missmbob | no |
| 15:59.54 | firef1y | okay. That machine will stay on Arch, then. |
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| 16:05.23 | awal1 | who cares... |
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| 16:14.19 | dondelelcaro | you could just install the kernel from unstable/experimental |
| 16:14.42 | dondelelcaro | judd: kernels |
| 16:14.43 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 16:14.44 | judd | (3.2.89-2) |
| 16:15.06 | dondelelcaro | and it will probaly get uploaded to stretch in the near-future |
| 16:15.13 | dondelelcaro | (stretch-backports, rather) |
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| 16:31.36 | metax | where should i submit a request about task-lxde-desktop debian package? |
| 16:31.42 | metax | feature request |
| 16:31.46 | dakdakda | hi how do I add an extra IPv4 on debian 8 ? |
| 16:32.06 | metax | dakdakda, it's on the same network interface? |
| 16:32.18 | dakdakda | yes |
| 16:32.42 | metax | https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Multiple_IP_addresses_on_one_Interface |
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| 16:33.31 | dakdakda | ip addr add ip/32 dev eth0 , this doesn't work ? |
| 16:33.48 | metax | it should be eth0:0 then |
| 16:33.55 | metax | or any number after : |
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| 16:34.16 | dakdakda | oh so should be dev eth0:1 |
| 16:34.18 | dakdakda | for example ? |
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| 16:34.28 | dakdakda | let me try.. |
| 16:35.17 | dakdakda | doesn't work |
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| 16:36.30 | metax | what's the error? |
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| 16:36.46 | awal1 | metax, a wishlist bug about that metapkg |
| 16:36.56 | metax | thanks awal1 |
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| 16:38.07 | dakdakda | metax |
| 16:38.33 | potus | Just wanted to let you guys know, HUGE FAILURE on Debian 9.0.1. Mistakenly issued a bad dd command yesterday and ended up needing to reinstall;Debian 9.0.1 live cd XFCE is uninstallable without internet connection (HOW IS THIS STABLE?!?!?) My keyboard because of whatever driver we are using now (IBUS?) is intermitting .. |
| 16:38.51 | potus | oo, the root password does not set on install; manually had to rehash the /etc/shadow |
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| 16:39.15 | potus | was there even anyone to test this distro or did we just pack it up and send it up as a resume booster for the staffing? |
| 16:39.27 | missmbob | potus: that's known. use the installer iso's, not live iso |
| 16:39.32 | potus | again 9.0.1. is a mess and on a thinkpad t520 it is borderline unusable. |
| 16:39.52 | potus | missmbob: even after wrestling to get it installed the system is not stable.. |
| 16:40.06 | potus | when i close the lid of laptop and reopen it.. screen stays black. |
| 16:40.19 | dondelelcaro | potus: lots of us test it and use it every day, even on similar hardware. |
| 16:40.32 | potus | i felt like we had this at 7.0 i had to remove the lightdm , |
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| 16:40.40 | dondelelcaro | (but not everyone uses the live disks, or XFCE, or your specific confgiuration) |
| 16:40.56 | potus | dondelelcaro: obviously we took steps backwards sooo, testing/QC isnt that great lately |
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| 16:41.18 | Laserburn | I agree potus, it does not seem like very much testing went into this release. I have fought failures in 4 different packages post-upgrade so far, with no caveats in the release notes. |
| 16:41.43 | potus | Laserburn: glad someone else can call a spade a spade here |
| 16:41.55 | dondelelcaro | potus: *shrug*; file bugs. Test the distribution |
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| 16:42.11 | potus | So now what, find an old debian 8 live cd and hope for the best? |
| 16:42.16 | missmbob | use the proper iso to install. not live. |
| 16:42.21 | potus | what a gaffe on whoever is running this operation |
| 16:42.26 | Laserburn | I'm on the verge of jumping distros. |
| 16:42.35 | missmbob | you're jumping to live again. sweet |
| 16:42.39 | potus | should of kept it at 8.x (the live cds) esp since this literally cant work.. |
| 16:42.41 | dondelelcaro | potus: if you actually tell us the issues you are having, people might be able to help |
| 16:43.04 | missmbob | potus: dont use live to install. can you get that? |
| 16:43.06 | Laserburn | missmbob: there's nothing wrong with installing from livecd |
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| 16:43.24 | potus | missmbob: i been installing from live for years but again, it says "install" on live disc.. if it cant even pass install without inet connection; testing to stable went wrong somewhere along the way |
| 16:43.26 | missmbob | Laserburn: other than many bugs, no |
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| 16:43.44 | ralpheeee | oh...was just about to give debian stretch a try.../o\ |
| 16:43.49 | Laserburn | where is this mentioned anywhere? lol |
| 16:43.56 | potus | missmbob: no i dont; obviously failure on the dev teams part.. |
| 16:43.59 | Laserburn | just your own personal anecdote? |
| 16:44.07 | potus | ralpheee: stayyyyy awayyyyyyy |
| 16:44.43 | missmbob | dondelelcaro: okay, guess it's just a bitch session |
| 16:44.44 | ralpheeee | https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ so wait a more? |
| 16:44.45 | potus | laserburn: what distro we going to flock to now? gentoo or? |
| 16:44.53 | potus | bitch session |
| 16:44.55 | Laserburn | I'm testing arch personally |
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| 16:44.59 | potus | like seriously roll back ur 9.0 garbage |
| 16:45.02 | dondelelcaro | Laserburn: the install guide explains how to install Debian, and doesn't use the live CDs. |
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| 16:45.10 | Laserburn | not sure I want to use it for production servers though |
| 16:45.13 | Lugal1 | Hello, I need help |
| 16:45.14 | potus | people want a resume so push non-sense and tell us "oo well install dont install use 2nd install cd" |
| 16:45.25 | potus | been on debian since we installed it via 7 3 1/2 inch floppies |
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| 16:45.35 | potus | not im being told an install disc dont install use another disc.. wack jobs! |
| 16:45.39 | potus | not/now |
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| 16:45.57 | ralpheeee | i dont want to start a distro war...read that there were some issues with graphical installer... |
| 16:45.59 | Laserburn | dondelelcaro: the livecd for debian AND ubuntu have install to hard drive options, IIRC. I haven't personally used in a while. Why would those options be there if they aren't intended to work? |
| 16:46.16 | dondelelcaro | Laserburn: they are intended to work, but clearly they haven't been well tested by anyone |
| 16:46.22 | Lugal1 | from all traffic that come and goes between my PC and the internet I want each IP-address to be shown one time. something similar to tcpdump, but in tcpdump it shows the same IP many time. |
| 16:46.26 | Laserburn | ... |
| 16:46.51 | dondelelcaro | Laserburn: which is why that's not the official way to install Debian |
| 16:47.03 | Laserburn | why include it on the livecd? |
| 16:47.35 | dondelelcaro | Laserburn: because it worked at some point? |
| 16:47.46 | nkuttler | Laserburn: are you suggesting to remove all non-official functionality? |
| 16:48.16 | dondelelcaro | Laserburn: and the developers making the livecd as a service assumed that people were actually using and testing them; apparently no one was |
| 16:48.16 | Laserburn | for something as important as the initial installation, yes, if it's not going to be supported by the community. |
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| 16:48.20 | missmbob | Laserburn: plus the lead dev of live left about a year ago and no one's really taken it |
| 16:48.41 | dondelelcaro | Laserburn: the documented initial installation method is to use the installation CDs |
| 16:49.12 | dondelelcaro | Lugal1: you could do that with tcpdump and some scripting, but what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 16:49.19 | dondelelcaro | (there's likely a better method) |
| 16:49.44 | Laserburn | I've done all I can to point out the cognitive dissonance. *shrug* |
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| 16:50.14 | Lugal1 | want to have a programm to make me a list of all IPs being conected to during a longer period |
| 16:50.25 | dondelelcaro | Laserburn: a more useful thing would be to test it and file bugs, ideally with patches |
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| 16:50.36 | iodev | Lugal1: netstat |
| 16:50.54 | Lugal1 | but netstat is just for the moment |
| 16:51.02 | Lugal1 | I want a log for longer time |
| 16:51.24 | iodev | Lugal1: well, make a script around netstat |
| 16:51.33 | th0r | Lugal1, have you tried 'watch -f netstat'? |
| 16:52.14 | Lugal1 | havent tried yet |
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| 16:53.18 | Lugal1 | and I also want to see the traffic my smartphone connected to, when using hotspot |
| 16:53.27 | Lugal1 | but netstat doest show me those |
| 16:53.35 | Lugal1 | doesnt* |
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| 16:54.22 | dondelelcaro | Lugal1: sudo tcpdump -i wlan0 -n -l|perl -ne '/IP (\d+(?:\.\d+){3})/; print $1.qq(\n) unless $a{$1}; $a{$1}=1'; |
| 16:54.26 | dondelelcaro | Lugal1: or similar |
| 16:54.44 | Lugal1 | so tcpdump should be the solution, but I dont know how to handle the output if it. I already triend to use c++ : system("tcpdump -n...... but I couldnt get the output from it |
| 16:56.41 | nix64bit | how do i check what sound output wine is using for a game? |
| 16:56.41 | Lugal1 | Danke! das löst mein Problem :) |
| 16:56.55 | Lugal1 | I mean, Thank you, i works for me :) |
| 16:57.17 | nix64bit | das gud |
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| 17:11.14 | carmelo89 | Good evening, I've been having this bug over Debian for a long time and I do not understand what's wrong: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=844523 |
| 17:11.14 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/844523 in xserver-xorg-core (open, security): «Debian xserver freeze»; severity: important; opened: 2016-11-16; last modified: 2017-06-18. |
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| 17:14.10 | carmelo89 | It happens often when I'm in twitter and read tweets with scrolling, or when I edit a gimp image by applying filters |
| 17:14.29 | laurus | I'm getting "Temporary failure in name resolution" when I try to ping something like bing.com when connected to a Wifi network with Network Manager. Any ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 17:54.18 | luichi | hello |
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| 17:55.36 | CRM114 | yawns |
| 17:56.04 | CRM114 | upgrade ongoing, for over 6 hours |
| 17:56.06 | luichi | i have debian 9 stretch installed upgraded and dist upgraded with bios also updated to version 2.2.4 and in my lenovo thinkpad e540 randomly when i resume after suspend the fan goes full speed during 8 secons and then system shutdowns i want to know which logs to look to search for a fix or reporting the bug (in debian 8 jessie it didnt happen) |
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| 17:56.14 | luichi | here is the output of sudo journalctl -p 3 -xb |
| 17:56.15 | luichi | https://pastebin.com/szwc9fvz |
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| 17:58.57 | jmcnaught | luichi: so those are logs from before the problem happens? |
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| 17:59.39 | laurus | When I'm connected using Network Manager wifi, I get "Temporary failure in name resolution" when I ping anything. How do I fix this? |
| 18:00.02 | luichi | jmcnaught, i executed the command after it happened |
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| 18:00.23 | jmcnaught | laurus: what does it say in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 18:00.38 | luichi | jmcnaught, i suspended my laptop at 16:47 and resumed at 18:51 |
| 18:01.06 | laurus | jmcnaught, hi! Thanks for responding! It says: # Generated by Connection Manager \n nameserver 127.0.0.1 \n nameserver ::1 |
| 18:01.18 | laurus | I tried replacing those with some other DNS nameservers, but that didn't fix anything. |
| 18:01.43 | laurus | Various things are in /etc/network/interfaces, and I tried commenting them out as well, but that didn't fix things either. |
| 18:02.21 | jmcnaught | luichi: you can turn on persistent logging with journald, look at /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz for how. Then you can us "journalctl -b -1" to see the previous boot's messages (alternatively look for these messages in syslog) |
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| 18:03.36 | jmcnaught | "for boot in $(journalctl --list-boots | awk '{print $2;}'); do journalctl --boot $boot --lines 20; done | less" <-- this lovely command will show you the last 20 lines of every boot that journald still has logs for |
| 18:03.46 | carmelo89 | ?? http://bugs.debian.org/844523 |
| 18:03.48 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/844523 in xserver-xorg-core (open, security): «Debian xserver freeze»; severity: important; opened: 2016-11-16; last modified: 2017-06-18. |
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| 18:05.31 | jmcnaught | laurus: are you able to ping IP addresses? like 8.8.8.8? |
| 18:05.52 | laurus | jmcnaught, let me get off the wired connection that I'm on now and test that. One sec. |
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| 18:07.14 | laurus | jmcnaught, It said "connect: Network is unreachable" |
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| 18:07.23 | laurus | (when I pinged 8.8.8.8). |
| 18:08.03 | shtrb | default route up ? |
| 18:08.41 | laurus | shtrb, what does that mean? Sorry, I know nothing about this. It's always just worked for the past 7 years! :) |
| 18:08.56 | laurus | I saw this: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/debian-stretch-wifi-connects-but-no-internet-4175606091/ where the person said it was "iptables". |
| 18:09.05 | shtrb | check if you have a default route , and if you can ping the gateway |
| 18:09.14 | jmcnaught | laurus: are other devices connecting successfully to this wifi? |
| 18:09.30 | jmcnaught | laurus: "ip r" to check default route, "ip a" for address information |
| 18:09.32 | laurus | jmcnaught, yes, I was using it from my Debian 8 computer until yesterday when I reinstalled . |
| 18:09.34 | shtrb | ip route , take what comes after the via , ping that ip |
| 18:09.39 | laurus | OK, let me try those. BRB again. |
| 18:09.54 | luichi | jmcnaught, i have done sudo mkdir -p /varlog/journal && sudo mkdir -p /varlog/journal && sudo adduser lluis adm and sudo journalctl -b -1 says Specifying boot ID has no effect, no persistent journal was found |
| 18:10.25 | luichi | jmcnaught, i dont understand what you saying here: "for boot in $(journalctl --list-boots | awk '{print $2;}'); do journalctl --boot $boot --lines 20; done | less" <-- this lovely command will show you the last 20 lines of every boot that journald still has logs for |
| 18:10.26 | shtrb | laurus , I'm late to the party but make sure your firmware is loaded |
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| 18:10.56 | shtrb | *and installed |
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| 18:11.35 | jmcnaught | luichi: if you run that command, it runs journalctl once for each boot that it has in its records |
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| 18:12.14 | laurus | jmcnaught, shtrb : It said this: http://paste.lisp.org/display/349835 |
| 18:12.16 | aguitel | is this safe way to install compiz in stretch ? http://compiz-debian.tuxfamily.org/ |
| 18:12.21 | jmcnaught | luichi: you need to restart systemd-journald, and obviously it won't have previous boot records until later |
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| 18:12.55 | jmcnaught | luichi: the command was helpful for me when i was investigating crash issues, to see a summary of the final log messages of multiple boots at once |
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| 18:13.05 | jmcnaught | anyways i gotta for a bit, good luck all |
| 18:13.11 | shtrb | laurs , did you ping the ip ? |
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| 18:13.57 | laurus | shtrb, oh, no, I forgot, sorry. Which IP? |
| 18:14.15 | shtrb | *laurus , you don't have a default gw in that output |
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| 18:14.49 | shtrb | it's probabaly 192.168.1.1 , blame your dhcp server |
| 18:15.02 | laurus | OK. How should I fix that? |
| 18:15.12 | shtrb | route add default gw 192.168.1.1 dev wlp3s0 as root |
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| 18:15.35 | laurus | It says "sudo: route: command not found" |
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| 18:15.44 | shtrb | wtf ? |
| 18:16.53 | shtrb | sorry the ip is 192.168.0.1 not .1.1 |
| 18:16.56 | shtrb | *probably (because the subnet is /24) |
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| 18:17.10 | laurus | Hm. How do I get the route command installed? |
| 18:17.26 | newbie0815 | is there a live cd debian for use with an older imac (3rd generation, powerpc) ? |
| 18:17.26 | laurus | I seem to have routef, and routel |
| 18:18.42 | laurus | shtrb, I think route has been replaced with "ip r" |
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| 18:19.12 | laurus | Er "route add" is now "ip route add" |
| 18:19.26 | shtrb | I don't belive such evil exists |
| 18:19.30 | luichi | jmcnaught, ok |
| 18:19.37 | laurus | shtrb, I'm just looking at https://dougvitale.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/deprecated-linux-networking-commands-and-their-replacements/ |
| 18:19.56 | laurus | shtrb, based on that page, what command should I run? |
| 18:20.40 | missmbob | ifconfig and route can get installed by installing net-tools |
| 18:20.42 | luichi | can i used sudo systemctl restart systemd-journal* to restart all services starting with systemd-journal ?? |
| 18:21.06 | laurus | missmbob, thanks, just installed that. |
| 18:21.26 | laurus | shtrb, okay I just ran your route command. |
| 18:21.32 | laurus | Now what should I do? |
| 18:21.41 | shtrb | can you now ping 8.8.8.8 ? |
| 18:21.59 | laurus | Let me try. BRB. |
| 18:22.01 | shtrb | did you fix it the ip to be 192.168.0.1 and not 192.168.1.1 ? |
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| 18:27.26 | laurus | shtrb, okay, it works now, after I did two more things. I had to add the OpenDNS name servers to /etc/resolv.conf, and I had to comment out everything in /etc/network/interfaces . |
| 18:28.09 | shtrb | laurus , commenting stuff there is not a good idea |
| 18:28.18 | laurus | Once I commented out everything in /etc/network/interfaces , I could ping 8.8.8.8 but not bing.com . Then when I added the OpenDNS nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf, it worked with "ping bing.com" |
| 18:28.19 | shtrb | you should better fix that |
| 18:28.24 | laurus | shtrb, okay but I'm not sure how to fix it. |
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| 18:28.56 | laurus | It told me when I installed network manager that I would need to remove items from that file if I wanted them to be "managed" by Network Manager. |
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| 18:29.05 | laurus | So I thought commenting stuff out there was okay. |
| 18:29.27 | shtrb | If that is what you like .. |
| 18:29.52 | laurus | shtrb, I'm not an expert on this stuff. One question: will this setup work with other wireless networks too? |
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| 18:30.22 | shtrb | it would , I just don't like NM sometimes |
| 18:30.31 | laurus | Oh OK. I'm fine with it for now. |
| 18:30.44 | laurus | A question: how did you know the IP I needed to add with that route command? |
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| 18:32.20 | shtrb | standard default gw are either 1 or 138 , from 192.168.0.0/24 you get the subnet 192.168.0 the last is just an educated guess |
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| 18:33.02 | laurus | shtrb, ah, I see, thank you. |
| 18:33.18 | laurus | One more question: do you know what the equivalent of the route command would be using the newer commands mentioned at that wordpress blog I linked to? |
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| 18:33.49 | shtrb | If you use NM you don't really need to use that at all |
| 18:33.57 | laurus | shtrb, oh really! |
| 18:34.19 | shtrb | NM suppose to that for you , it's the only reason it exists |
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| 18:34.44 | laurus | shtrb, hmm, I don't see anywhere in there to set that though. |
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| 18:34.54 | duff | Is KDE more customizable than gnome ? |
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| 18:35.03 | mtn | duff, yes |
| 18:35.21 | shtrb | duff , plasama and depends on what you define as customization |
| 18:35.48 | duff | I want to use a dark theme that affects the whole DE |
| 18:35.50 | missmbob | no, mtn was just right |
| 18:35.51 | shtrb | debian also have older version of "The DE that shall not be named" that currently exist in other places |
| 18:36.18 | shtrb | sorry , autocorrect took 'KDE' and made it 'The DE that shall not be named' |
| 18:36.25 | mtn | duff, you should be able to use dark themes with both of them |
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| 18:36.37 | shtrb | that can be done on both equivalently |
| 18:36.41 | duff | Would GTK allow that? |
| 18:36.49 | mtn | duff, sure, why not? |
| 18:37.01 | laurus | duff, I'm using Lxqt and it has a Dark theme built in. |
| 18:37.05 | mtn | duff, nothing special about dark themes |
| 18:37.19 | laurus | (for your information) |
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| 18:39.20 | spacebug^ | is it possible to integrate Thunderbirds Calendar with Gnomes calendar? |
| 18:39.35 | spacebug^ | (not using evolution) |
| 18:39.49 | fhh | Hi all, s-nail replace now (on stretch) heirloom-mailx but dont provide mailx, is-it a chose or an oversight ? |
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| 18:41.22 | shtrb | spacebug^ , yes but I think there is a sync / addon for that |
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| 18:42.20 | shtrb | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/gnome-integration/ but maybe there is a deb for that |
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| 18:43.53 | spacebug^ | thanks shtrb |
| 18:44.57 | duff | Is it better to compile from source than use alien to convert rpm to deb? |
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| 18:45.24 | shtrb | spacebug^ , but maybe there is a better solution (point Gnome and thunderbird to work with external calendar source ) |
| 18:46.26 | ralpheeee | best dark theme i have ever come across is terminal :O |
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| 18:47.20 | ralpheeee | well thats not 100% true...TTY probably come first /o\ |
| 18:49.06 | spacebug^ | shtrb: the addon I did not really understand. |
| 18:49.40 | missmbob | spacebug^: it had nothing to do with what you wanted |
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| 18:49.48 | spacebug^ | missmbob: ah ok |
| 18:49.54 | spacebug^ | is asking in #gnome now |
| 18:49.58 | spacebug^ | seems more related |
| 18:50.35 | aguitel | installing compiz from this repo:http://compiz-debian.tuxfamily.org/ is safe ? |
| 18:51.02 | shtrb | oh shit , I pasted the wrong addon |
| 18:51.16 | spacebug^ | :D |
| 18:51.20 | missmbob | aguitel: no and you wont be supported here |
| 18:51.33 | missmbob | !tell aguitel -about dont break debian |
| 18:51.56 | duff | Does anyone else remember the good old days of linux? |
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| 18:52.06 | spacebug^ | shtrb: you find the right one? |
| 18:52.19 | CRM114 | duff: timeframe? |
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| 18:52.41 | aguitel | missmbob, ok |
| 18:52.42 | missmbob | duff: try #debian-offtopic. this isnt a chat channel |
| 18:52.59 | shtrb | when KDE 3.5 exist and we didn't have support for our wifi ? |
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| 18:54.04 | shtrb | sorry , I closed that |
| 18:54.18 | shtrb | spacebug^ , I closed the browser sorry |
| 18:54.57 | CRM114 | how long does an upgrade to stretch normally take? |
| 18:55.49 | spacebug^ | shtrb: ah ok, no worry. Thanks anyway |
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| 18:59.41 | spacebug^ | shtrb: oh, I only needed to add my nextcloud server to online accouns :) |
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| 19:03.23 | shtrb | that is much better option |
| 19:05.48 | spacebug^ | another question. I'm thinking about enabling "unlock diskecryption over ssh" for my server. But that seems to install a small seperate ssh-server (dropbear or something). Might this just add another security weakness? |
| 19:06.11 | spacebug^ | so it's a normal trade off regarding my paranoia vs convenience? |
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| 19:08.44 | mango | Hello, I just installed debian stable from the iso on the website |
| 19:08.52 | mango | But I need at least kernel 4.10, because im using ryzen |
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| 19:09.08 | mango | The package isnt in aptcahce, and still isnt there after I added backports |
| 19:09.29 | mango | So, my question is, do I compile the kernel myself, or grab it from busters packages ? |
| 19:09.56 | missmbob | get 4.11 from sid |
| 19:10.30 | mango | Alright, and how do I do that? |
| 19:10.39 | mango | I tried going through backports but its not there :/ |
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| 19:10.56 | missmbob | download it from packages.debian.org and then dpkg -i |
| 19:11.59 | missmbob | or you can add sid sources to sources.list for this to make it easier IF AND ONLY IF you immediately remove it |
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| 19:12.24 | missmbob | gotta go |
| 19:12.30 | spacebug^ | take care missmbob |
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| 19:16.32 | mango | Couldn't find a 4.10 kernel on sid :/ |
| 19:16.36 | mango | found 4.11 https://packages.debian.org/sid/kernel/linux-image-4.11.0-1-amd64 |
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| 19:16.42 | mango | going to try adding sid to sources |
| 19:16.47 | nkuttler | ,kernels |
| 19:16.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2) |
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| 19:17.06 | mango | Aha, I couldn't find it because it doesnt exist. |
| 19:17.12 | duff | xanmod is pretty good |
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| 19:32.09 | MyCuriosity | hi, can you recommend a good 2016 or 2016 model laptop which has no problems running debian ? |
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| 19:32.36 | MyCuriosity | *2016 or 2017 |
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| 19:35.33 | ralpheeee | MyCuriosity: dunno about Debian...but generally Lenovo in particular thinkpads are always good to recommend for linux... |
| 19:35.49 | ralpheeee | all depends on how much you are willing to spend... |
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| 19:36.39 | MyCuriosity | ralpheeee: I have privacy concerns regarding these lenovo laptops |
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| 19:36.49 | MyCuriosity | not sure if it is still an issue or not |
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| 19:38.45 | nebul8_ | hi all. I'm trying to add the ethereum PPA to my newly installed debian stretch. I get the following error: http://dpaste.com/3MEWGWE |
| 19:39.01 | nebul8_ | could someone give me a hint why that's not working? thanks! |
| 19:39.15 | nebul8_ | (or how I can further investigate the issue...) |
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| 19:39.54 | towo` | nebul8_, ppa's are for ubuntu, not debian |
| 19:40.06 | towo` | so don't do that! |
| 19:40.23 | ralpheeee | MyCuriosity: what concerns exactly? |
| 19:40.52 | nebul8_ | towo`: ah okay. so what would be the preferred way to install geth etc. on debian? |
| 19:40.57 | MyCuriosity | ralpheeee: I think they caught them some time ago with a hardware component which is specifically there to leech data ? |
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| 19:41.11 | nebul8_ | towo`: I just followed https://ethereum.gitbooks.io/frontier-guide/content/installing_linux.html |
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| 19:42.14 | ralpheeee | thinkpads are not effected as they are designed primarily for the corporate world... |
| 19:42.35 | towo` | build it from source |
| 19:42.42 | afmza | i installed debian netinst on a usb3 flash stick. UEFI mode. Created a 250MB UEFI partition and the rest for root. Booted up ran for 2 days. Now all of a sudden it wont boot. no changes to the bios. Just not booting. What could this be? |
| 19:43.23 | nebul8_ | I wonder why is it then so easy to install PPAs in a newly installed debian system? I nowhere had to specify the launchpad URL of the PPA etc. ... |
| 19:43.30 | nebul8_ | (but I'm really new to debian) |
| 19:43.49 | ralpheeee | but yeah i can understand your concern with the other models and principles / morals... |
| 19:44.02 | nebul8_ | towo`: thx. that's way to difficult for me right now I guess, but I appreciate the anser. |
| 19:44.06 | nebul8_ | *answer |
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| 19:45.33 | afmza | anyone |
| 19:45.34 | afmza | ? |
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| 19:48.31 | Texou | fman error displayed? |
| 19:48.43 | Texou | afmza: error displayed? |
| 19:48.51 | duff | grub repair |
| 19:49.00 | afmza | Texou, nothing - just goes straight to bios |
| 19:49.15 | Texou | afmza: hmmm |
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| 19:49.18 | afmza | i litterally pull out the usb, put it back in... |
| 19:49.22 | duff | get a debian live usb |
| 19:49.26 | afmza | and it wont boot. |
| 19:49.28 | duff | and boot into it |
| 19:50.20 | afmza | it might be something to do with windows |
| 19:50.36 | duff | is it install on the same drive as Debina |
| 19:50.39 | afmza | because the UEFI partition now has a System Volume Information directory in it |
| 19:50.39 | duff | debian* |
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| 19:51.04 | afmza | no, but i plugged it into my windows pc to clone it |
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| 19:51.41 | duff | Did you run any windows updates |
| 19:51.49 | afmza | nope |
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| 19:52.08 | afmza | it was just for a few min, to clnone the USB |
| 19:52.15 | afmza | cos i spend a couple hours configuring debian |
| 19:52.38 | duff | Did you clone debian to windows? |
| 19:52.50 | duff | or windows to debian |
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| 19:53.40 | afmza | i installed debian on the flash stick on another pc. configured it. pulled out the USB. plugged it into my windows PC, cloned it to another USB. plugged it back into the other pc and it booted fine. |
| 19:53.47 | afmza | ran it for 2 days. |
| 19:54.08 | afmza | now i pulled out the USB, and plugged it back in. and it wont boot |
| 19:54.32 | duff | So you're booting from a USB? |
| 19:54.36 | afmza | yes |
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| 19:55.29 | afmza | which worked fine for a while |
| 19:55.49 | afmza | maybe i must try repair the uefi parition |
| 19:55.53 | afmza | somehow |
| 19:55.54 | duff | must be something wrong with grub or the root partition |
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| 19:56.32 | tw | How far does it get? No boot device? |
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| 19:57.28 | afmza | it see's the flash stick... but wont boot from it |
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| 19:57.46 | afmza | if i manually select it in the bios, it just flashes (tried to boot from it) and fails. |
| 19:58.35 | duff | did you make any bios changes recently |
| 19:59.10 | afmza | nothing |
| 19:59.42 | afmza | im going to try boot into ubuntu and delete the System Volume Information folder in the UEFI partition |
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| 20:18.38 | afmza | :/ |
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| 20:36.08 | logpost | hi |
| 20:36.29 | logpost | all |
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| 20:37.35 | logpost | is there a french channel (maybe /joindebianfr ?) |
| 20:37.55 | missmbob | !fr |
| 20:37.55 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr. |
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| 21:14.35 | jhutchins | afmza: Maybe the USB image has degraded and is no longer bootable. |
| 21:15.05 | afmza | jhutchins, if i boot into ubuntu i can still see the file system is intact |
| 21:15.24 | afmza | i just gave up and reinstalled without UEFI |
| 21:15.35 | afmza | UEFI is always trouble |
| 21:16.02 | jhutchins | afmza: That doesn't mean it's bootable. |
| 21:16.32 | afmza | jhutchins, the EFI partition was also fine with the .efi file in it under the debian directory |
| 21:16.49 | afmza | grubx64.efi |
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| 22:37.21 | nvz | my other consoles failed to start, tty1 is the only one thats running idk why it does this sometimes but i suspect its this damn systemd |
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| 22:37.57 | somiaj | nvz: systemd only runs tty's when they are requested. |
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| 22:38.08 | somiaj | nvz: hit ctlr-alt-f2, a tty will be launched and available. |
| 22:39.17 | nvz | somiaj: i wouldnt know its not working if i hadnt already tried that |
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| 22:42.34 | somiaj | nvz: hwat does systemctl start getty@2 do? does it start tty2 for you? |
| 22:43.54 | nvz | somiaj: command ran with no output, still just blinkin _ on tty2.. checking logs |
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| 22:44.32 | somiaj | nvz: systemctl status getty@2 |
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| 22:45.05 | somiaj | nvz: no output is on par for systemctl, it never gives output, you have to request output, such as using the status command. |
| 22:46.30 | nvz | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/974296/ |
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| 22:46.54 | nvz | somiaj: from daemon.log |
| 22:47.32 | nvz | i fn hate systemd its high on my shitlist of things to get rid of on here |
| 22:48.10 | somiaj | nvz: what version of debian is this? |
| 22:48.20 | nvz | somiaj: stretch |
| 22:48.31 | somiaj | operation not permitted, sounds more like some permissions issue with udev or the kernel. |
| 22:48.35 | somiaj | did you check dmesg? |
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| 22:49.05 | somiaj | is this in a container? |
| 22:49.12 | nvz | somiaj: kernel is outdated custom kernel for orange pi lite.. nothing that seems relevant in dmesg at this time |
| 22:49.57 | nvz | somiaj: i did stop cgmanager and cgproxy just to see what they did, but this happened before even when they were running |
| 22:50.03 | somiaj | I do see some debian bugs about systemd having problems with outdated kernel. |
| 22:50.17 | somiaj | so this is only partily stretch since it isn't running on stretches kernel? |
| 22:50.25 | nvz | somiaj: yeah its 3.4 tree |
| 22:51.12 | nvz | somiaj: getting a new kernel is also on my things to do list but on these things its a hairy situation |
| 22:51.44 | nvz | somiaj: 4.13 seems like itll be a good one for the h3 cpu |
| 22:52.05 | somiaj | nvz: I think you are just in a strange mix and most likely the cause of your problems. I do not know enough about the details to be of any help to resolve it. |
| 22:52.25 | somiaj | either the kenrel is to old or you are missing some feature that systemd needs. |
| 22:52.43 | somiaj | but I found a few bug reports on the error you got about not liking outdated kernels. |
| 22:53.24 | nvz | somiaj: i need to get rid of systemd for numerous reasons not the least of which is all the stuff it does which i am unfamiliar with.. like auto updating my apt cache, putting rc links back when i remove them..etc |
| 22:53.28 | teraflops | nvz: do nvz you use the arm with thingy DE/WM or just for hosting services? |
| 22:53.58 | nvz | teraflops: im using it as my only computer.. and so far i only use x when i really need to |
| 22:54.10 | teraflops | hmmm |
| 22:54.17 | nvz | teraflops: i use nodm to keep it simple |
| 22:54.33 | teraflops | nvz: I use mainline kernel from armbian repo, but no mali drivers |
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| 22:55.05 | teraflops | not that I care, they are headless |
| 22:55.20 | nvz | teraflops: near as i can tell the mali isnt worth crap anyhow |
| 22:55.33 | somiaj | nvz: well you can run debian with sysv init, but you cant completely get rid of systemd on a debian system. It just won't be your init system. |
| 22:56.34 | somiaj | nvz: also you are on the dge of outside of debian support. My experience with systemd is it works really well, and I like it as my init system, I don't fully agree with its kitchen sink approach, but if using the stretch kerenel and all stretch packages, things should work just fine. |
| 22:57.43 | nvz | somiaj: how do i disable services with it? i tried update-rc.d and rcconf and it keeps putting the damn links back |
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| 22:57.59 | somiaj | nvz: systemctl disable servicename |
| 22:58.19 | somiaj | nvz: though this only disables them at boot, some serivices are attached to hooks, to completely disable a service, systemctl mask servicename |
| 22:58.31 | nvz | somiaj: and the auto update of apt cache do you know how to stop that? |
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| 22:59.27 | nvz | im just talking ssh, nodm, transmission-daemon, lirc, lircd, lircmd, stuff like that i want to run when i explicitly tell it to |
| 23:00.16 | nvz | transmission and nodm being the big performance hits and ssh being a potential security risk when im not using ssh |
| 23:00.20 | somiaj | nvz: in that case disable will be enough. |
| 23:00.46 | somiaj | nvz: though nodm, that may honor /etc/X11/default-display-manager, which you should set to false, then no display manager will run |
| 23:00.57 | somiaj | nvz: I don't know what you mean by auto update of apt cache? |
| 23:01.22 | jmcnaught | probably apt-daily.timer (which you can also disable with systemctl) |
| 23:01.36 | nvz | somiaj: i booted last night and system was sluggish and i caught systemd doind what it called a daily apt update |
| 23:02.03 | somiaj | that probably isn't systemd, but some service on your system. |
| 23:02.15 | somiaj | you should track down which service/package is doing that. |
| 23:02.21 | nvz | ive been using debian since 2.2r6 i think i can update my own apt cache as needed |
| 23:02.43 | somiaj | you can see if it is in /etc/cron.daily |
| 23:02.51 | jmcnaught | nvz: somiaj: it's the apt-daily.timer unit provided by the apt package, and it can be disabled with systemctl |
| 23:03.43 | somiaj | ahh I must have not noticed that service, was it only added right before the release? |
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| 23:04.07 | somiaj | though that is not systemd, that is apt, so at least point blame at the right package (: |
| 23:04.07 | jmcnaught | i don't know, i just found it now with "journalctl -b | grep apt" |
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| 23:04.45 | nvz | this stuff is madness i nearly had a stroke when devfs and udev and hal came around, but this systemd really drives me nuts.. i like my things to stay seperate not all automated like some robots organizing to take over the planet |
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| 23:05.27 | jmcnaught | nvz: systemd's really not that bad if you take some time to learn it. the introductory series for sysadmins on Lennary Poettering's blog is pretty decent |
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| 23:06.40 | somiaj | nvz: I find systemd as an init system far nicer than sysvinit ever ways. Eaiser to manage and even write services for than bash scripts. I don't agree with the full desktop integration part of systemd, but it takes time to get use to |
| 23:06.40 | nvz | i wouldnt care so much if i were on a core i7 with 4-8gb ram or something |
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| 23:07.12 | somiaj | nvz: if you plan on running debian you can either learn how to use sysv init instead, or get use to systemd. |
| 23:07.21 | somiaj | if you really don't like systemd, debian may not be the best choice for you. |
| 23:07.24 | somiaj | !remove systemd |
| 23:07.24 | dpkg | To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: http://deb.li/30Kby - See also <upstart> and <openrc> |
| 23:07.37 | somiaj | note, this still requires parts of systemd, but it will not be used as the init system. |
| 23:08.17 | nvz | oh i talked to dpkg about this several days ago.. and after trying to get rid of systemd i just gave up nd put it back |
| 23:08.17 | somiaj | I also don't know how well it works in stretch, that factiod was for jessie. I have had issues learning systemd, but once you get use to how to use it, you can manage and disable thigns you odnt' want. |
| 23:08.53 | jmcnaught | there's a note on switching to sysvinit in systemd's README.Debian |
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| 23:09.30 | nvz | yeah like the note in HHGTTG about letting vogons read you poetry |
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| 23:11.00 | jmcnaught | http://paste.debian.net/974298/ that is the contents of the note, it's pretty straight forward |
| 23:12.44 | nvz | so was the note about vogon poetry. heh |
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| 23:16.54 | nvz | zgrep -A 13 "back to SysV" /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz |
| 23:18.00 | nvz | i heard one about a guy who could spin yarn into gold too.. |
| 23:18.35 | somiaj | try to stick more to debian support, complaining about systemd isn't going to change that in debian you either have to get use to it, or get use to how to remove it in favor of sysvinit. |
| 23:21.07 | nvz | removing it doesnt work was my point.. I'll try it again after i finish cooking but it didnt go well last time |
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| 23:22.17 | dondelelcaro | nvz: removing it should work... but that said, the number of people who are actively testing no-systemd is pretty small and diminishing |
| 23:22.31 | dondelelcaro | (so if people aren't testing it and filing bugs, it will probably bit rot away at some point) |
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| 23:23.03 | jmcnaught | the instructions say not to remove systemd. you _add_ the sysvinit-core package if that's what you want to use for init, but systemd pacakge says on your system |
| 23:23.14 | jmcnaught | ^says^stays |
| 23:23.20 | nvz | dondelelcaro: noted.. i think i shall jump on the bug reporting wagon then |
| 23:24.06 | nvz | i know what it says i talked to dpkg about it several days ago |
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| 23:26.32 | nvz | systemd has potential to make debian no longer feasible on embedded platforms and low end hw. ive been using links2, irssi, etc all in console.. i dont need that for anything even if i use x im using nodm and sawfish or some light wm or custom xsession |
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| 23:30.29 | dondelelcaro | nvz: I don't think so, actually |
| 23:30.42 | metax | nvz, i agree |
| 23:30.49 | dondelelcaro | nvz: indeed, with systemd you could potentially ditch bash completely |
| 23:31.21 | dondelelcaro | nvz: and it tends to handle non-deterministic things much better, which is a halmark of embedded platforms |
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| 23:31.59 | jmcnaught | i could see socket-activated services being pretty useful on embedded |
| 23:32.17 | nvz | dondelelcaro: those are valid points, i am perhaps being stubborn because im tracing all my woes back to systemd |
| 23:32.59 | dondelelcaro | nvz: could be. I've definitely found a lot of things easier with systemd |
| 23:33.19 | dondelelcaro | (and this is coming from someone who has no compunction with coding very complicated things in shell) |
| 23:33.26 | jmcnaught | nvz: maybe it's time to take a step back, learn systemd a little more, and re-evaluate it with fresh perspective on some of the advantages it brings |
| 23:34.45 | nvz | it brings no advantage to a person on an orangepi lite using console apps on a distro he's been using for 15 years now, other than dealing with systemd because its an elephant in the room |
| 23:35.16 | dondelelcaro | nvz: dunno; even for console stuff it makes debugging issues with daemons easier |
| 23:35.50 | dondelelcaro | nvz: and things like the per-vpn generators for openvpn and tinc are super-awesome |
| 23:36.55 | metax | a system needs more ram for it, something we just want only 1 task to be automated and don't need 'an elephant' for that |
| 23:37.01 | metax | sometimes* |
| 23:37.15 | dondelelcaro | metax: if that's what you really want, then you can use that task as init |
| 23:37.27 | dondelelcaro | metax: but in reality, you often want more than that |
| 23:37.42 | metax | in reality nope, i don't |
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| 23:37.51 | dondelelcaro | metax: so use that task as init? |
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| 23:38.02 | nvz | it doesnt use much resources itself its all the crap its doing automatically that gets me into binds where im fingering the sysrq key |
| 23:38.25 | metax | if i intend to use a generator of certificates for an openvpn server i will not need anything that that |
| 23:38.28 | dondelelcaro | I mean; it itself is using about 250K here. |
| 23:38.32 | metax | more than that i mean |
| 23:39.18 | dondelelcaro | metax: uh.. you'll need a shell, and a bunch of other things if that's what you're doing. Plus, you probably want to restart openvpn and make sure that openvpn comes up after the network is up |
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| 23:40.06 | metax | i am talking about a system, not just an openvpn server. a debian minimal installation without systemd is quite enough for that |
| 23:40.20 | dondelelcaro | but in any event, that's the cool thing about linux; you don't have to like systemd. If you want to use something else, go right ahead |
| 23:40.30 | dondelelcaro | just don't expect someone else to support it for you |
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| 23:41.07 | dondelelcaro | (and seriously, if you want to not use systemd, please test the non-systemd setups and file bugs with patches) |
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| 23:41.51 | nvz | like when it was doing apt updates or starting services id remover links for.. and i suppose understanding how its doing this will help avoid that but i really dont like anything happening automatically. i have better sense of what im doing and what my hw is capable of.. aside from the kernel deciding what to kill on a SAK when the feces hits the air circulation devices propeller, i dont want anything |
| 23:41.57 | nvz | happening automatically |
| 23:42.11 | jmcnaught | nvz: it wasn't doing apt updates, apt was |
| 23:42.26 | nvz | apt was never sentient before systemd |
| 23:42.44 | metax | well, you clearly understand that more people will pass to devuan if support for non-systemd apps will end on debian |
| 23:42.48 | jmcnaught | it was the apt package that provided the apt-daily.timer unit file, it could just have easily been a file in /etc/cron.d |
| 23:43.22 | dondelelcaro | metax: *shrug*; if someone else wants to support non-systemd outside of Debian, great. |
| 23:43.39 | dondelelcaro | metax: but if no one in Debian is going to do the work, then the work isn't going to be done |
| 23:45.19 | nvz | jmcnaught: i know about cron and /etc/rc2.d, etc.. i look at these things for explainations. there is no old-debian-user shim for systemd that says oh hey, btw, the shit that just deadlocked your system, its over here --> not where youre looking |
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| 23:45.36 | nvz | debian devs used to put messages in apps easing transitions |
| 23:46.40 | dondelelcaro | nvz: they still exist in NEWS.Debian and similar |
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| 23:47.17 | dondelelcaro | (and really, systemd shouldn't be deadlocking anything) |
| 23:47.20 | jmcnaught | actually i believe a lot of work has gone into smoothing the systemd transition as much as possible, including insserv which keeps sysvinit and systemd services in sync with each other to facilitate switching back and forth, for example |
| 23:47.30 | dondelelcaro | if it is, I'd certainly love to see the bug for it |
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| 23:51.23 | somiaj | also running a 3.4 kernel on stretch/systemd isn't fully supported either, you may want a fresh stretch install, remove systemd and then have a good system to send bug reports if you run across any issues. |
| 23:51.57 | somiaj | jmcnaught: I thought it was mostly seemless, though learning how to do things in systemd requires time and effort in any cases. |
| 23:52.07 | somiaj | but yes /etc/init.d/foo start/stop/restart correctly detects if using systemd or not |
| 23:52.55 | jmcnaught | somiaj: yeah there's a lot of attention to detail there that i think is impressive |
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