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| 00:12.53 | avis | andefinitely. for its value. it stole by spies paid for that purpose on all planets. the bad server dissassembly is bonds and indemnifies no criminal or finacial harm and my safety. |
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| 00:45.12 | xk | clear |
| 00:45.45 | xk | hi why can't I remove installed third party window decorations? |
| 00:46.12 | xk | version stretch |
| 00:47.42 | xk | the system defaults have too big borders, newly installed ones are smaller but the icons are ugly, even worse I can't find a place to remove them. pls help. |
| 00:48.50 | th0r | xk, what desktop are you running? default for locally installed themes is, I believe, ~/.local/share/themes |
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| 00:50.18 | xk | th0r, it's kde, and there's no themes folder under .local/share |
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| 00:50.49 | th0r | xk, sorry...never even tried kde...not for near 20 years anyway |
| 00:51.12 | xk | th0r, is it that terrible? |
| 00:51.33 | th0r | xk, that is a matter of opinion, I guess |
| 00:51.47 | xk | :D |
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| 00:52.52 | th0r | xk, at any rate, it usually doesn't hurt to leave unwanted themes installed. They take up very little disk space, and are no load on resources unless you are using them. |
| 00:54.15 | th0r | xk, as to switching to another theme....that is something specific to kde that I don't know |
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| 00:56.12 | xk | th0r, yeah I think so too, but based on the horrible MS windows experiences, unwanted and can't-be-removed software are usually maleware, it left me a shadow in my mind. |
| 00:56.52 | th0r | xk, if you installed using apt-get from a repo then there is nothing to worry about. If you are using third party software....well..... |
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| 00:59.34 | xk | th0r, I think I found the way, just find and delete the files and folders of the theme names, and it disappears. |
| 01:01.17 | xk | th0r, thank you so much. you see, your talking to me is a way of helping, no matter whether the solution comes from you or not. I can't figure it out by thinking alone. |
| 01:01.36 | th0r | I usually discuss it with my dog. |
| 01:01.43 | th0r | lousy advice, but a great listener |
| 01:01.45 | xk | th0r, ROFL |
| 01:04.11 | xk | th0r, you're such a nice guy. |
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| 01:04.31 | th0r | xk, you can find other opinions |
| 01:04.57 | xk | :D I'll see you then |
| 01:05.00 | xk | bye |
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| 01:59.00 | emma17 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvqMpJd7Sw quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: vamiry multi_io Mathisen cbmuser Nothing4Y pvoigt OS-23517 israfel sysanthrope gatekeep jannic mavhc spacebison jor elik_ edwardly ketralnis Apeiron` bitblit sulvone BlackPanx has Obi-Wan t3eblinder stu_meat lebster Danielss89 shahri bertbob vutral fhh gvvg_ Mad7Scientist Limebyte RT_FM L235 frankie Se-bash digastricus SwK hycer nikow chen Dreamix Digz Bl4ckC0r3 nomad_dw zmachine Nach0z |
| 01:59.00 | Unabomber | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvqMpJd7Sw quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: Fastolph Bryanstein kyan domovoy SwK sysanthrope pingveno SleePy Wulf bitch sekjun9878_ dna` banging_ mns Mathisen hypermist LambdaComplex Sio mz` blackroot Nnavd rheddry daemonkeeper LoRez sveva65 deepy mrr0butt blue blueness agustafson madprops ghoti p0ly3d3r_ teraflops Baudelaire phenomcd ageis phaseNi ws2k3 Ke Ralin3 degenerate CyberJacob hramrach littlebea |
| 01:59.00 | D_R_A_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvqMpJd7Sw quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: vectr0n|cloud SaltySolomon rxo sondr3 guampa brouette AxForest CrazyEddy eldebrim ephesius ancky gtrott__ axujen Jac Arilotan littlebearz80 HotSwap Hink admiral0 Jguy johnpark_pj yuvadm Cabanossi patterson_ q6AA4FD stephanie92 p_quarles voipmonk multi_io vutral HeXiLeD Nazara LambdaComplex heinrich5991 _guios lsv_ spacebison swym jstolarek azizLIGHT sIRwa2 pipeep jg |
| 01:59.00 | UNADOLCEs | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvqMpJd7Sw quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: mns sptnx spooky firztspawn toozej Gurty internot macsim_ Namikaze strive djakov Phibonacci wyre moufl zarkos MrDetonia rax0 TheRoo phorce1_home GTAXL rheddry vincent_c smashag ksool_ hank darkstalker hikiko Se-bash Hobby_boy verm1n mvaenskae zerick abracadaniel gre__ hawken malm Modeuse jaggz shtirlic rickyh xar- nbastin brian_ sydney_untangle bradjones joze |
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| 01:59.00 | Candyman | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvqMpJd7Sw quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: chrissl rolig DK2 mrr0butt sonne funabashi amospalla Arcademan Spiffy vincent_c mala zarkos msev- gwaaf kardborren lel rheddry Olufunmilayo roger_rabbit DEPLE tripkin Rhuarc rozie cbdev fhffhqvb McLive fhdrin JStoker apt Bonn333 sabbie Dev0n n0nada XeonSquared r00ter soehest Cyph3r musalbas bzed frediz thoros serban Countess_Bathory klow rlange mumixam denken holmgren |
| 01:59.01 | killer | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvqMpJd7Sw quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: q6AA4FD Bryanstein melvin NoCode brizz rodrigopaiva fooctrl MasterNayru_ sikun Slumlor hexjay Xjs|moonshine j3roen bub_ pacha hawken digastricus zwamkat Piggy Se-bash HotSwap fangfufu tobiw papitfx jmsx Mevlock Candyman kevinsan gtrott__ vvande LjL kwmiebach disi tadz Amplificator BeamWatcher nadley kzrl popnfresh monty azg toozej fatalis dupondje Hobbyboy Diaoul tsglove2 mvaenskae gonyere |
| 01:59.01 | brucavallo | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvqMpJd7Sw quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: SuperSeriousCat Voldenet dtux grey_ Limebyte TimWolla sc_ eki futex amosbird Trieste nix-7 VampiricPadraig Char0n pron monkwitdafunk ephemer0l scoopex ConnS HugsWontletgo AN0NYM todd_dsm tsglove2 bois disi jolt or4n acecile AJ_Z0 passstab klys nvz gardar vvande codebam DEPLE rdz jback Anarchic nux_ ramshadow hagabaka cafuego cybrNaut elliottcable brouette justJanne vook valdyn bluen |
| 01:59.01 | brucavallo | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvqMpJd7Sw quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: dvs shahri dupondje themill Zerant slugmx Korak CuSn oberstein Linuturk papitfx degenerate sophiya d-fence evotopid allorder ragix ohithere MasterNayru_ multi_io osx mnemonic gacekjk CodingWithClass p_quarles swabbl tacocat mesamoo Snakes scoopex mdorenka bhuddah flokuehn FoolishOwl mww113 ryan-c tsglove2 rkta tanay Python1320 soehest Shadur internot L00thar geir_ VampiricPadraig pa |
| 01:59.01 | brucavallo | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvqMpJd7Sw quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: noahfx Noskcaj flyingkiwi Myk267 BeamWatcher k4tfish v4s kevr pingveno tobiw renzhi basso Aristar_ Psy-Q futex boser eric23 larjona sabbie patsToms UukGoblin marcoslater flipp dfoolz georgeowell GhostInTheShell cronic themill petn-randall theluckymike antismap` abra0 fstd MonsterKiller pythonsnake fnkr soehest Deific johnnyfive benaiah rogst Mevlock uxfi Ad1Tech dahl mdorenka robysa |
| 01:59.01 | killer | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvqMpJd7Sw quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: strass DLange _0x5eb_ pipeep marcoslater elysium elliottcable metaphysician duoi styles ToBeFree bhuddah chen Warrigal Se-bash brouette user2468__ denken internat bradjones fireba11 vincent_c AlexZ_ Mmike r0r0 nighty- cliluw Bonn333 vvande neffs mutante ancky loeken disi vivid petn-randall xand hubot FinalX sidmo_ ter Butt3rfly Len cybrNaut Hobbyboy qtch Fastolph flipp forgotmynick Nightma |
| 01:59.02 | mosconi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvqMpJd7Sw quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: McLive andai Randy AlexPortable Snakes Bl4ckC0re ragix vvande lel mnemonic Mortumm_ Qann benster Namikaze swym sobkas nse Al3xG0 seyeongkim planetmaker brunus or4n kolla hawken bhuvi_ sysanthrope Malmis jback devurandom sander85 themill SmallR2002 AlwaysHi- ValodiaDeSeynes esaym153 mcfrisk pcdummy moov xiqy_ frankxyz ajp Keitaro merinos qmr phorce1_home krups SleePy p |
| 01:59.13 | Devastator | !ops |
| 01:59.13 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 01:59.15 | monty | <3 |
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| 01:59.39 | r0bby | Why not force people to ident to NS? |
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| 02:19.05 | r0bby | fhffhqvb: We have some people who weren't huged as childen |
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| 02:25.24 | fhffhqvb | r0bby: yes. trumpkins. |
| 02:25.34 | r0bby | They're beyond that |
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| 03:11.59 | machinehum | Should I be using nouveau for my GTX570, or will I get better results with the non-free driver from Nvedia |
| 03:12.23 | machinehum | nvidia* |
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| 03:50.00 | jsz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvqMpJd7Sw quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: littlebearz80 k4tfish indrora hid3 alxd Defaultti sophiya spont4e peterrooney mccd Andy80 Hestben Commander1024 mzf electro33 zarkos robsta_sa d1b Clouder IdleGandalf borsin sonOfRa Celelibi tadz NaPs jolt koolfy simbalion NickyP precise moetunes Atm0spher1c LoRez AntiSpamMeta pixel_yo queso sIRwa2 bub_ johefernan tremo Orochimarufan nolsen jannic int0x27h ShockingIsntIt rlange Orb HauM1 `z |
| 03:50.00 | UNADOLCEs | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvqMpJd7Sw quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: r4mpage Peterzen boser noodle sptnx OS-27035 ron-slc ApEtc Jguy jmnk foka Dargod otih hahainternet tsglove2 ASpacy brolin_empey sekjun9878_ t0m0 Relicka Sleepy63 rosseaux gatekeep EnergyCoffee__ p_quarles `d rlange mumixam cliluw jcara joze lordlod_ Subfusc kmh toine42 quite WizardGed seyeongkim hayer strass windrive1 LambdaCalculus37 systo Carno crash_ Deific [red]claw webuser5224 |
| 03:50.00 | enjoy | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvqMpJd7Sw quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: dubwoc bzed hata czer00 stu_meat lowin dos1 ChanServ Piggy wyre brian_ PugaBear tacocat nolsen Cybertinus mcfrisk Cueball sjk spuc piklu sonne volter Asoka pixdamix chownsauce LeandroLuiz int0x27h peterandre cryptodan_mobile degenerate Kurocon_ AndrewAlexMac nymony robotroll hex2a komugi theraspberry elkmoose c0 bionix CEnnis91 valerius Modeuse television chachasmooth hagabaka grady phorce1 |
| 03:50.00 | j-ax | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvqMpJd7Sw quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: Frikilinux mortal _rubik TReK infernix blackwell ChmEarl benf dw1 spooky vlt Qann toozej jmyrv namix {sd} Savemech tty0_ kline HeXiLeD Celelibi aatwood sim590 firztspawn haircode2 phate408 ramshadow darkstalker elky sukaeto tapout negev fnmueller fstd her0 Guest30112 Whiskey dirac1 sysanthrope MrAlexandr0 loddfafnir bobvador oberling nezZario seekr Infra_3600 |
| 03:50.00 | j-ax | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvqMpJd7Sw quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: pierrot sukaeto tw kneekoo2 Danielss89 dna` otih Almtesh Guest30112 Nothing4You olegfusion DK2 ToeSnacks soahccc digdilem |subz3r0| SonicFreq stefanc_diff Artox dave4925 mibo Merixer malademental raSter^ Celelibi Simeon hramrach hahainternet midacts sn0wmonster esainane gehaxelt tuv CyberJacob moetunes MobileMatt_ vlt noahfx Wire _KaszpiR_ bradjones spinza Ars |
| 03:50.00 | dna` | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvqMpJd7Sw quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: fireba11 bobvador Tewi metaphysician knoxville disi HauM1 sethkush mortal jesopo crash_ precise bipolar zarkos pvn borsin th0r le_pig gacekjk spacebison cydrobolt EmleyMoor HotSwap electro33 Riviera- tremolo vlt Johann sander85 sandroandrade Posterdati Zauberfisch nickle cmichel dubwoc n0nada agustafson Digz Spydar007 petems rypervenche nopf redshadowhero MrAlexandr0 rafalcpp FoolishOwl Sl |
| 03:50.01 | trinity | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvqMpJd7Sw quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: zack6849 knoxville pfoo dtux The_Eccentric nwe eir Spitfire insecurity _systemd_is_evil iskatu bois ioudas^working tvsutton ApEtc Malinux MrHyde paradizelost t0m0 vectr0n missmbob drale2k klow swordsmanz RamPage Hoolootwo codebam petems pythonsnake q6AA4FD kevinsan Nightmare Alina-malina ToBeFree AxForest Linlz somiaj pugfantus gluon _Tristan-Speccy rooty optimus nighty-_ fauweh HeXiL |
| 03:50.06 | theraspberry | lol |
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| 03:51.00 | dw1 | nothing to see here, just spam. as you were |
| 03:51.23 | sn0wmonster | in the end, they're just doing us a favor by getting all the proxies klined. |
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| 03:51.52 | sn0wmonster | on a long enough timeline, it will become too costly too spam. |
| 03:55.02 | ryouma | i want a cpu that is as compatible as possible with debian. either high end i5 or the new amd 6 processor. i think the latter does not have a built in video. i do not want binary blobs or anything that x or wayland won't work with. am i better off with the i5? or the amd? |
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| 03:55.41 | ryouma | i am not a gamer |
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| 05:09.49 | ofg|brtr | My server have a problem right now with https and cert and ssl port all together. How could I force apache to serve all request over http for now? |
| 05:10.34 | ofg|brtr | like https://mysever.com automatically changes o http://myserver.com? |
| 05:11.45 | qman__ | you can't, really - the client requests the pages from you, and if the client requests HTTPS, you have to respond on it or not at all |
| 05:12.19 | qman__ | you can use a 302 redirect to tell clients to go to the HTTP page, but they have to recieve that over HTTPS first, and if HTTPS is broken, that approach won't work |
| 05:12.21 | ofg|brtr | qman__: I don't want my server to be down right now |
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| 05:17.03 | qman__ | fair enough, but the only way to resolve that is to fix your HTTPS |
| 05:17.14 | orb | https://chrispo.org/z/clouds.jpg |
| 05:17.16 | qman__ | if a client requests a page via HTTPS, the only way your server can respond is via HTTPS |
| 05:18.10 | qman__ | your response can tell them to go elsewhere (HTTP), but you have to speak HTTPS to tell them that |
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| 05:18.17 | qman__ | so it won't do much good if HTTPS doesn't work |
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| 05:24.11 | ozzloy | hi, i'm having trouble with starting mysql https://pastebin.com/LDQsdFPk |
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| 05:24.37 | ozzloy | not sure how to see the whole error message. there is nno /var/log/maria* |
| 05:25.08 | ozzloy | and /var/log/mysql* logs are too old to be this |
| 05:25.14 | ozzloy | related to this* |
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| 05:45.29 | jmcnaught | ozzloy: can you redo the systemctl status paste with '-l' so the lines aren't truncated? better yet, do "journalctl -u mariadb.service" |
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| 05:45.56 | password4 | Good day |
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| 05:52.58 | ozzloy | jmcnaught, k, i'll do that, thanks |
| 05:53.15 | ozzloy | unfortunately, i have to go now, but i'll do that when i get back tomorrow |
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| 06:22.22 | littlekitty | hi, what would be the best way to dualboot win10 and debian? (win10 got installed first - can't tell if gpt) |
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| 06:25.04 | tapioco | hi |
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| 06:27.31 | djz88 | littlekitty: I would try to find if ur WIN10 boots UEFI way or Legacy in a first place. |
| 06:28.10 | littlekitty | if i hit del while boot it is all flashy and shiny and a mouse cursor |
| 06:28.16 | littlekitty | does this mean its uefi ? |
| 06:28.18 | djz88 | littlekitty: and I would consider to turn off fast shutdown in Win10 as well. |
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| 06:29.16 | djz88 | littlekitty: not necessary .. |
| 06:29.52 | djz88 | littlekitty: Maybe you can see it in BIOS within boot options |
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| 06:30.10 | littlekitty | djz88: sorry see what exactly ? |
| 06:30.36 | littlekitty | djz88: about fast shutdown? |
| 06:31.33 | djz88 | littlekitty: Some PC/Laptops like Dell or HP they offer to see what UEFI OS are installed(somewhere in the boot menu) |
| 06:31.35 | littlekitty | djz88: i googled that right away, looks like i can turn it off in the power settings so that's no problem |
| 06:31.46 | littlekitty | djz88: oh okay |
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| 06:32.41 | djz88 | littlekitty: yes exactly. I had an issue with fast shutdown which is that they somehow blocks NTFS FS from being mounted in Linux. |
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| 06:34.06 | whatkappa | hi. any luck getting phpmyadmin working on debian stretch? |
| 06:34.11 | whatkappa | i get access denied as root |
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| 06:50.00 | littlekitty | djz88: okay so i had a look and there is a 'tab' in the bios/uefi that reads 'bios' and inside that it reads windows8/10 features : other os; storage boot option control: legacy; other pci devices: uefi |
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| 06:50.47 | littlekitty | should I change storage boot option control to uefi instead? |
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| 06:51.21 | djz88 | littlekitty: you can set it to UEFI only and see if Windows boots :) |
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| 06:54.45 | littlekitty | djz88: yep, it boots into windows |
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| 06:58.26 | littlekitty | and i turned off fast shutdown |
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| 06:59.04 | littlekitty | it doesn't seem to make a difference speedwise |
| 06:59.44 | djz88 | littlekitty: so now if you wanna install Debian I would go with UEFI way |
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| 07:04.05 | littlekitty | djz88: so I figure that's an option I have to choose during the installation process? |
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| 08:00.40 | Hyp3ri0n | hello guys |
| 08:01.33 | shtrb|bad_plasma | Hello Hyp3ri0n |
| 08:02.05 | Nawab | when i turned my laptop on today,i found tht the wifi was not getting on and there was no option of "Wifi" in the upper right corner(im on gnome3) |
| 08:02.28 | shtrb|bad_plasma | resume from suspend ? |
| 08:02.35 | Nawab | even in settings theres no wifi option innetworks |
| 08:02.41 | Nawab | in networks* |
| 08:02.50 | shtrb|bad_plasma | check if it's not off via rfkill |
| 08:03.17 | Nawab | i suppose the wifi driver hasnt been loaded properly,as i check ifconfig and systemctl and eno1 is working properly |
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| 08:03.34 | Nawab | rfkill? |
| 08:03.35 | shtrb|bad_plasma | Nawab , "rfkill list" from within shell and check if it's not blacklisted |
| 08:03.41 | Nawab | ok |
| 08:03.51 | shtrb|bad_plasma | *sudo rfkill list |
| 08:04.07 | shtrb|bad_plasma | if not there , reload the module |
| 08:04.16 | shtrb|bad_plasma | and check in dmesg if there had been any errors |
| 08:04.43 | Nawab | 0: hci0: BluetoothSoft blocked: noHard blocked: no |
| 08:05.14 | Nawab | thts the problem,i dont remember or know maybe the correct command for loading kernel modules |
| 08:05.20 | Nawab | lsmod maybe |
| 08:05.25 | shtrb|work | ok that is not the case , reload the module (or search in dmesg / messages why it's not up) |
| 08:05.32 | Nawab | ok |
| 08:05.44 | shtrb|work | lsmod lists , you need modprobe something |
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| 08:06.28 | shtrb|work | dmesg | grep network may give some hints |
| 08:06.34 | Nawab | ok |
| 08:06.40 | shtrb|work | *grep net |
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| 08:08.08 | Nawab | [ 1.661463] audit: initializing netlink subsys (disabled)[ 1.738893] microcode: Microcode Update Driver: v2.01 <tigran@aivazian.fsnet.co.uk>, Peter Oruba[ 1.836093] r8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver 2.3LK-NAPI loaded [ 21.381530] Bluetooth: BNEP (Ethernet Emulation) ver 1.3 |
| 08:08.14 | Nawab | i think its loaded? |
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| 08:09.11 | aura | Hello |
| 08:09.31 | Nawab | hi |
| 08:10.39 | aura | how do i remove permanently a package from my system? |
| 08:10.44 | Wulf | dpkg -P foo |
| 08:10.44 | dpkg | Wulf: are you using Windows? |
| 08:10.49 | Wulf | dpkg: nope |
| 08:10.49 | dpkg | yes |
| 08:11.07 | Nawab | aura: apt-get autoremove |
| 08:11.16 | Wulf | dpkg is mean to me :-( |
| 08:11.16 | dpkg | Wulf: wish i knew |
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| 08:12.33 | aura | thanks |
| 08:12.48 | aura | another question, how can i check if flash is installed? |
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| 08:13.19 | klys | dpkg -l | grep flash |
| 08:13.19 | dpkg | ii | grep flash 1.7-3.2 klys's private porn collection |
| 08:13.33 | Nawab | aura: in your browser you mean? |
| 08:13.34 | shtrb|work | Nawab , doesn't seem like that (from the trace ) |
| 08:14.00 | Nawab | shtrb|work: so what do i do? |
| 08:14.20 | shtrb|work | list your hardware , and try to guess the module (via lspci/lsub) |
| 08:14.21 | aura | does it get installed in the browser? |
| 08:14.46 | Nawab | aura: i thought flash plugin,from adobe |
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| 08:15.36 | aura | I may have accidentally installed it, i would like to remove it if i have done so |
| 08:16.28 | Nawab | as klys said |
| 08:16.47 | Nawab | check your packages with dpkg and grep,and apt-get autoremove it |
| 08:17.01 | aura | does this work? http://isflashinstalled.com/ |
| 08:17.10 | shtrb|work | aura , make sure it's not some crap that need external removal |
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| 08:18.29 | shtrb|work | but dpkg --purge is a good option |
| 08:19.33 | Nawab | shtrb|work: how do i list my hardware |
| 08:19.49 | shtrb|work | lspci / lshw / lsusb etc |
| 08:20.03 | Nawab | ok |
| 08:20.05 | shtrb|work | just don't paste it here ! use a paste site |
| 08:22.01 | aura | one more thing: are there any recommended wireless cards that doesn't use nonfree firmware? |
| 08:22.29 | Nawab | ok |
| 08:22.47 | shtrb|work | aura , I forgot to say that if you installed flashed using update_flashplugin you need to uninstall it in the same way (check alterantivis to see if it's there) |
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| 08:24.49 | shtrb|work | *installed flash, update-flashplugin-nonfree --uninstall , update-alternatives --list flash-mozilla.so etc |
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| 08:26.20 | Nawab | shtrb|work: http://paste.debian.net/974477/ ... welp |
| 08:26.26 | Nawab | i cant figure it out |
| 08:26.29 | __marco | Hello. I have a virtualenv with python3.5. I think I upgraded python once in a time and now when I try to launch the interpreter from inside the virtualenv I get the following error: |
| 08:26.39 | __marco | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.39 | __marco | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.39 | __marco | ImportError: cannot import name '_BACKCOMPAT_MAGIC_NUMBER' |
| 08:26.45 | shtrb|work | __marco , use paste sites |
| 08:27.27 | Nawab | paste.debian.net or apt-get install pastebinit |
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| 08:27.42 | Nawab | __marco: ^ |
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| 08:27.56 | __marco | https://paste.pound-python.org/show/q8jl23ukv2zFJFad4qeZ/ |
| 08:28.40 | __marco | The are a serie of exceptions like that, all with the same error: ImportError: cannot import name... |
| 08:29.32 | shtrb|work | Nawab , check also with lsusb (I don't see it either there ) maybe it's connected over the usb interface |
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| 08:29.41 | Nawab | ok |
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| 08:30.01 | __marco | I tried to update the virtualenv with '/usr/bin/python3 -m venv myvirtualenv', but I get also an error: |
| 08:30.07 | shtrb|work | you didn't answer if you resumed from suspend |
| 08:30.30 | __marco | https://paste.pound-python.org/show/nNKH57Ivt1Z6NqUId8U7/ |
| 08:31.33 | __marco | Before you ask, python3-venv is installed |
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| 08:44.49 | shtrb|work | __marco , https://bugs.debian.org/816740 |
| 08:44.50 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/816740 in python3-venv (open, wontfix): «python3-venv: virtual environment was not created successfully because ensurepip is not available»; severity: important; opened: 2016-03-04; last modified: 2017-06-29. |
| 08:47.55 | __marco | shtrb|work, thank you, but python-venv is installed (and btw. it is not only a development tool but we use it in production and all major daemons supports them: uwsgi, apache's modwsgi, and for sure others) |
| 08:48.36 | __marco | shtrb|work, I resolved ranaming bin and upgrading the venv again |
| 08:49.31 | shtrb|work | __marco , I just pasted the bug report , if you have a workaround please send what you did there |
| 08:50.21 | Nawab | shtrb|work: idk if its there,i searched but idk |
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| 08:51.07 | shtrb|work | I think your workaounrd could at least unblock for others |
| 08:51.11 | Nawab | http://paste.debian.net/974484/ |
| 08:52.10 | shtrb|work | maybe modswitch didn't work for you ? because that is rtlwifi |
| 08:52.43 | shtrb|work | *modemswitch |
| 08:52.48 | Nawab | me? |
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| 08:53.14 | shtrb|work | yes |
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| 08:53.43 | shtrb|work | If it worked AFTER the kernel upgrade , maybe there is some missing modem switch action |
| 08:53.43 | Nawab | what should i do now? |
| 08:54.05 | shtrb|work | reboot , or try to load rtlwifi |
| 08:54.08 | shtrb|work | modprobe rtlwifi |
| 08:54.12 | shtrb|work | to be sure |
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| 08:54.41 | domovoy | hi |
| 08:54.56 | Nawab | root@mab:/home/neelz# modprobe rtlwifi |
| 08:54.57 | Nawab | root@mab:/home/neelz# |
| 08:54.59 | shtrb|work | Nawab , did you upgrade kernel last time |
| 08:55.03 | Nawab | no |
| 08:55.10 | shtrb|work | Nawab , now check if you have something in dmesg or the wifi is up |
| 08:55.20 | domovoy | any way to make `dpkg-reconfigure locales` to only propose UTF-8 locales? |
| 08:55.23 | Nawab | wifi isnbt up |
| 08:55.26 | Nawab | isnt* |
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| 08:56.23 | shtrb|work | any errors in dmesg ? |
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| 08:57.26 | Nawab | http://paste.debian.net/974486/ |
| 08:57.59 | shtrb|work | It was working with the same kernel before correct ? |
| 08:58.12 | Nawab | yeah |
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| 08:58.44 | shtrb|work | Is it a pluggable device ? (something you can unplug and replug ) |
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| 08:59.01 | Nawab | no,its a laptop |
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| 09:05.09 | shtrb|work | Nawab, I'm out of ideas for now |
| 09:05.29 | Nawab | :( |
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| 09:44.07 | yang | Is MariaDB now replacing MySQL in Debian stretch ? |
| 09:44.09 | yang | I think that my upgrade got a bit ruined |
| 09:44.22 | yang | Now trying to "restore" and fix it |
| 09:44.49 | yang | Is there some manual I could use ? |
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| 09:45.29 | colo-work | yang, checked the stretch release notes yet? |
| 09:45.43 | yang | nope |
| 09:46.30 | yang | I mean I got a question regarding phpmyadmin migration and it asked for passwords etc. and then somehow got ruined, cause I didn't insert the right password |
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| 09:50.02 | yang | colo-work: just read that now |
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| 10:00.12 | yang | I am trying to resolve this situation http://paste.debian.net/plainh/e3d36c2b |
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| 10:00.44 | yang | Could use some assistance |
| 10:01.35 | Nawab | why doesnt my laptop wifi start? yesterday it was working quite well |
| 10:01.59 | Nawab | today it doesnt start at all,and i hav to use my ethernet cable to talk here |
| 10:02.12 | Nawab | http://paste.debian.net/974488/ |
| 10:02.32 | Nawab | this is my dmesg info...idk whats up with my wifi |
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| 10:05.44 | Epakai | Nawab: i don't see any wifi device in that output, does your laptop have a hardware switch to turn it off? |
| 10:06.00 | Nawab | i dont think so |
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| 10:06.23 | Nawab | and i also didnt touch my uefi,so to speak |
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| 10:06.40 | Epakai | what about an fn+key combo? |
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| 10:10.04 | shtrb|work | Nawab , can you boot to another dist to be sure ? |
| 10:10.50 | Nawab | shtrb|work: i dont hav another dist set up for this laptop |
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| 10:11.15 | shtrb|work | knoppix or debian live to the rescue |
| 10:11.51 | Nawab | any other way? |
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| 10:13.06 | _abc_ | Hello. Does anyone know if H110 based main boards, low end pc with atom/celeron soldered on board, boot cleanly, no driver problems, in current debian live? |
| 10:16.14 | _abc_ | [not debian but could be?] https://www.asus.com/websites/global/aboutASUS/OS/Linux1606.pdf - list of motherboards by asus known to work with various linux releases. |
| 10:17.34 | dunderproto | is there a quick way to restart x windows due to a frozen application, something akin to #rcctl restart x |
| 10:17.47 | dunderproto | (I'm new to debian) |
| 10:18.11 | _abc_ | Which application is frozen exactly? |
| 10:18.34 | _abc_ | dunderproto: |
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| 10:18.41 | dunderproto | scratch for kids; I ran kill -TERM $PID which didn't quite kill the app |
| 10:18.52 | dunderproto | _abc_: and now the app is hanging in this really ugly state and I've lost control of X |
| 10:19.00 | dunderproto | I'm using xfce4, if that makes a difference |
| 10:19.09 | _abc_ | I see. You can restart x. |
| 10:19.33 | Epakai | restart the display manager service, systemctl restart gdm3 (if you're using gdm3), or lightdm, sddm, xdm, etc. |
| 10:19.45 | dunderproto | Epakai: Thanks! |
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| 10:20.36 | at0m | dunderproto: you best run that from tty1, go to it using Ctrl-Alt-F1 then log in as root |
| 10:20.55 | at0m | (tty1 or any other, but better not from within x) |
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| 10:21.35 | at0m | or if xfce is responsive, you can log out there and log back in |
| 10:22.01 | dunderproto | _abc_, at0m : Thanks. Turns out I was using lightdm. Great, all is back |
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| 10:23.35 | yang | Trying to fix MariaDB with apt-get ... http://paste.debian.net/plainh/82e5f478 |
| 10:24.03 | yang | Not sure why it isn't starting up... |
| 10:24.07 | _abc_ | Suggest a low end all in one pc mainboard known to work with debian jessie+ out of the box? |
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| 10:26.29 | jmcnaught | yang: what does "systemctl status mariadb" say? |
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| 10:27.23 | password2 | hi , how come https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/ only lists 3 dvds but the md5 sums lists 10? |
| 10:28.11 | yang | jmcnaught: on this same machine I have sysvinit and systemd both installed ... |
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| 10:28.46 | yang | Failed to get properties: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1 |
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| 10:32.51 | Epakai | password2: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/log/20170703/DVD.log log seems to indicate a bunch of the iso files were written to /dev/null (search for "completed successfully") |
| 10:34.56 | password2 | thats interesting , was just wondering whats up |
| 10:36.27 | venkat_330 | i have installed a minimum debian in my PC/ Min deb (without GUI) and used apt-get to install X and lxde-common.I have been using this environment for quite long without issues. Sometimes I GKSU to switch user , For which it prompts for user password, In this pop up window I want to disable user from selecting remember password option. is there a way to achieve it. Request guidance |
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| 10:38.28 | jmcnaught | yang: "Failed to get propertiesâ¦" is the output of the systemctl status command? Are you using sysvinit as /sbin/init? |
| 10:38.35 | password2 | urg , this dl speed is dismal , 1day remaining on one iso |
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| 11:10.07 | password2 | woops , i asked in wrong channel , sorry |
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| 11:26.08 | BrainWork | hi, anyone else here unable to reach ftp.uk.debian.org for apt-get update? |
| 11:26.20 | BrainWork | i cant ping it or telnet it on port 80, and apt-get is failing. |
| 11:26.28 | shtrb|work | ftp ? |
| 11:26.42 | BrainWork | yup, thats what its detected and used itself from the mirror selection months ago |
| 11:26.56 | BrainWork | as in ftp. on the start of the hostname, but http mirror |
| 11:27.18 | shtrb|work | I can't reach it with ftp either |
| 11:27.24 | BrainWork | out of curiosity, isnt answering on port 21 either |
| 11:27.27 | BrainWork | yeah |
| 11:27.47 | shtrb|work | check it with mtr |
| 11:28.00 | BrainWork | mtr? |
| 11:28.09 | shtrb|work | mtr (apt-get install mtr) |
| 11:28.26 | BrainWork | hmm, i cant install it, the mirror is down :P |
| 11:28.33 | BrainWork | unless ofc i changed mirror, possibly |
| 11:28.38 | jmcnaught | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#deprecation-of-ftp-apt-mirrors |
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| 11:28.58 | shtrb|work | oh yes , sorry - it's a nice tool to see the route and some extra features |
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| 11:30.00 | BrainWork | thanks jmcnaught, i am using http |
| 11:30.33 | BrainWork | im going to change my sources to deb.debian.org and bypass the downed server |
| 11:30.54 | shtrb|work | BrainWork , you can use the redirect ones or choose one which is close to you |
| 11:31.14 | shtrb|work | I found out that my uni had a mirror once :) |
| 11:31.43 | BrainWork | my home isp has/had a mirror, i think |
| 11:31.49 | BrainWork | which was cool |
| 11:31.50 | BrainWork | :D |
| 11:32.03 | shtrb|work | so better use it than debian's |
| 11:32.16 | shtrb|work | as long as you trust your ISP |
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| 11:32.28 | BrainWork | im not at home here, seems that deb.debian.org is fast enough. we generally get 30mb both ways here to near enough most of the world |
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| 11:33.48 | apollo13 | hi, any idea why firefox would not recognize a protocol? xdg-open can open the link just fine -- where to start looking? |
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| 11:34.29 | shtrb|work | are you writing the url by yourself or relaying on firefox to correctly open it ? (firefox %u) |
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| 11:35.15 | apollo13 | shtrb|work: clicking on a webpage |
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| 11:35.29 | shtrb|work | from within firefox ? |
| 11:35.35 | apollo13 | it is a custom protocol, xdg-open bapgui://127.0.0.1:15000 works, the same in an <a href="â¦" > does not |
| 11:35.36 | apollo13 | yes |
| 11:35.41 | apollo13 | it says unsupported protocol |
| 11:36.38 | shtrb|work | are external protocol enabled in firefox ? |
| 11:36.59 | shtrb|work | network.protocol-handler.exernal.bapgui |
| 11:37.27 | apollo13 | no |
| 11:37.44 | apollo13 | but then again bap (which it was before) also worked without that |
| 11:38.07 | shtrb|work | that is how you declared custom protocols in firefox (I have no idea what bap is ) |
| 11:38.33 | apollo13 | well firefox usually defers to xdg-open (or the system rather) if it doesn't know what to do |
| 11:38.45 | apollo13 | bap/bapgui are just protocol scheme names I made up |
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| 11:38.47 | shtrb|work | in that case I'm out |
| 11:39.17 | apollo13 | http://kb.mozillazine.org/Register_protocol#Linux mhm, interesting |
| 11:39.23 | apollo13 | although in chrome it works |
| 11:39.44 | apollo13 | well the protocol is real, it is just not iana registered⦠|
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| 11:49.30 | apollo13 | shtrb|work: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694870 that should work since "old" firefox -- lets see what I broke :D |
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| 11:52.47 | discovered | hi |
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| 11:54.36 | inviz | seems my servers take time connecting to ftp.uk.debian.org have I missed something? |
| 11:54.50 | shtrb|work | ftp is down |
| 11:54.53 | shtrb|work | move to http |
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| 11:55.08 | inviz | well it is http, ftp is just a vhost |
| 11:55.35 | shtrb|work | someone else complained about that server ,it's down (http, ftp , ping etc ) for some ISPs |
| 11:55.52 | shtrb|work | just switch to something else |
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| 11:55.54 | inviz | ok thanks, will change mirror I guess |
| 11:56.17 | koollman | I don't use a direct mirror name anymore. a redirection is now a better idea |
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| 11:56.49 | solarengin | hello I 've set up a virtual host but still it is openning /var/www/html as a directory |
| 11:57.10 | koollman | inviz: https://deb.debian.org/ is a decent default choice |
| 11:57.30 | shtrb|work | solarengin , are you accessing it via http[s]://vhost and did you remember to restart apache service ? |
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| 11:58.04 | inviz | koollman: cool |
| 11:58.07 | solarengin | I am accessing with https:// it says too many redirect or openning http page |
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| 11:58.14 | solarengin | http://agency.ozbaymedya.com |
| 11:58.54 | solarengin | I restarted apache service |
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| 11:59.39 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
| 11:59.53 | solarengin | hello |
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| 12:00.57 | solarengin | shtrb|work: it doesn't recognize /var/www/html/drupal in virtual host in /etc/apache/sites-available/agency.ozbaymedya.com.conf |
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| 12:02.49 | apollo13 | shtrb|work: mhm, using network.protocol-handler.expose.<foo> worked, I swear it worked without before :( |
| 12:03.11 | shtrb|work | did you set document root correctly ? |
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| 12:03.27 | shtrb|work | apollo13 , it's firefox everything is possible |
| 12:04.37 | solarengin | I will share my virtual host file hold on please |
| 12:06.19 | solarengin | https://codepaste.net/ry29b8 |
| 12:06.54 | solarengin | shtrb|work: could you please inspect my virtual hosts file for me |
| 12:07.38 | cymen | I'm confused by this system lsb_release -a says it's stretch but the apt source are jessie and sid...anybody got an idea how those fit together? |
| 12:07.52 | shtrb|work | can you ask also at #apache but I feel something bad with your rewirtes , can you comment them and try without them ? |
| 12:08.19 | solarengin | thanks shtrb|work I will do your comments |
| 12:08.59 | apollo13 | shtrb|work: mhm expose-all is set and the docs contradict itself :D |
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| 12:14.10 | abrotman | solarengin: anything in the logs about the rewrites? |
| 12:14.12 | dunderproto | For residential customers trying to self-host email, if the ISP refuses to help with reverse IP setup, is there anything else that can be done? |
| 12:14.32 | dunderproto | besides buying a VPS |
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| 12:15.10 | apollo13 | dunderproto: no |
| 12:15.51 | dunderproto | s/reverse IP/reverse DNS |
| 12:15.59 | dunderproto | apollo13: that's a pity |
| 12:18.29 | solarengin | abortman: there is no error about rewrites |
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| 12:18.33 | abrotman | dunderproto: To be fair, most providers would mark your message as spam, or not accept the connection |
| 12:19.00 | shtrb|work | dunderproto , you wouldn't pass the firewall at some of the places |
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| 12:19.56 | shtrb|work | solarengin , did you try without the rewrite rules ? |
| 12:20.12 | abrotman | turning off those rewrites would probably break drupal |
| 12:20.34 | shtrb|work | his complaint was not being able to reach the folder at all (the first one) |
| 12:20.43 | dunderproto | abrotman, shtrb|work : thanks |
| 12:21.18 | abrotman | dunderproto: you might be able to setup a VPN to send/receive, but that might be more trouble than it's worth |
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| 12:21.27 | solarengin | shtrb|work yes it is working without rewrite rules thanks |
| 12:21.38 | solarengin | I will inspect what is wrong in rewrite rules |
| 12:21.49 | solarengin | thank you friends yay |
| 12:22.58 | dunderproto | are ISPs in general starting to prohibit customers from hosting any servers nowadays? |
| 12:23.08 | dunderproto | residential customers* |
| 12:23.16 | celyr | dunderproto, well |
| 12:23.36 | celyr | dunderproto, given the level of service they are doing it in passive way lol |
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| 12:23.47 | solarengin | yes abrotman turning off those rewrites broke my drupal but I will try to find what is wrong with them |
| 12:24.53 | shtrb|work | dunderproto , I was charged once for being able to host port forwarding |
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| 12:25.35 | shtrb|work | Today you pay extra to be not on carrier grade nat (for IPv4) |
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| 12:26.59 | apollo13 | even worse some providers even don't give you sensible ipv6 subnets |
| 12:27.57 | dunderproto | Does IPv6 change any of these trends? Or is it that residential users are increasingly not allowed to run anything besides dumb clients |
| 12:28.18 | shtrb|work | I liked how some started to slow down CDN for hosted customers |
| 12:28.20 | BrainWork | in america, i guess? |
| 12:28.33 | BrainWork | ive never had any restrictions on running anything except SMB |
| 12:28.34 | BrainWork | which is understandable |
| 12:29.39 | BrainWork | iirc there arent any non-mobile isp that would even dare to put customers behind CGNAT and mess with their neutrality in the uk... i know the US is different |
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| 12:30.01 | abrotman | dunderproto: which trends? |
| 12:30.07 | BrainWork | oh wait theres one... some fibre isp that promises 1gbit to the home... they dont mention that its natted |
| 12:31.10 | dunderproto | abrotman: that residential customers can't host their own servers, whether it's mail or web, etc |
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| 12:31.54 | dunderproto | I remember reading about some recent fiber deployments where the ISP forbidding any servers |
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| 12:32.01 | dunderproto | forbid* |
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| 12:32.16 | abrotman | dunderproto: "can't (by default)", some ISPs will allow you to request the appropriate access. But I don't think IPv6 (for home use) is making any difference for that default setting |
| 12:32.19 | shtrb|work | BrainWork , you can be put on the other plan just pay extra |
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| 12:33.18 | abrotman | and we've drifted widely offtopic :( |
| 12:33.26 | BrainWork | im currently running web/https, mail and imaps, plus ssh from home, and vpn |
| 12:33.54 | BrainWork | i think a few isps restrict you in terms of service but dont actively filter, "you will refrain from running services and we may monitor and restrict this at our future discretion" |
| 12:33.56 | shtrb|work | abrotman sorry |
| 12:34.00 | dunderproto | abrotman: sorry |
| 12:34.06 | BrainWork | the isp im on doesnt say that, and the ones that do havent restricted anyone yet |
| 12:34.16 | BrainWork | yeah, a bit OT |
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| 12:42.55 | Azirty | I am installing Debian through the installer and I intend to create a spanned volume from two of my disks. However, when I add my partitions to LVM the root partitions become unrecognizable as root partitions, instead being in use by LVM. How can I create a spanned volume from my two disks, then? |
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| 12:44.12 | jmcnaught | Azirty: on the manual partitioning menu there is a sub-menu for "Configure LVM" |
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| 12:46.16 | Azirty | I did that, and I created a volume group from that, to which I added my partitions. But that results in them being recognized as part of LVM, not as root. |
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| 12:47.58 | jmcnaught | Azirty: if the logical volumes are listed in the partitioning menu, enter the sub-menu for one and choose "use asâ¦' |
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| 12:48.48 | contrapunctus | Is there any user-friendly (think Ubuntu Software Center) package manager for Debian? |
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| 12:49.04 | shtrb|work | yes |
| 12:49.18 | abrotman | contrapunctus: yes, same, software center |
| 12:50.17 | contrapunctus | abrotman: I just looked for it - it's been removed, I think |
| 12:50.41 | shtrb|work | contrapunctus , what DE are you using ? |
| 12:50.41 | contrapunctus | shtrb|work: a recommendation to go with the "yes" would be nice ;) |
| 12:50.47 | contrapunctus | oh. Cinnamon. |
| 12:51.21 | abrotman | judd: versions gnome-software |
| 12:51.23 | judd | Package: gnome-software on amd64 -- sid: 3.22.5-1; buster: 3.22.5-1; stretch: 3.22.5-1; experimental: 3.25.3-1 |
| 12:51.28 | abrotman | neat .. |
| 12:51.32 | abrotman | seems to be there |
| 12:51.47 | abrotman | Unless you're still on Jessie |
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| 13:41.57 | ntz | servus, quick question .... how do I print out the linking order (eg how are parsed files in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/) ?? |
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| 13:43.49 | hiroki | Using 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' and having added 'testing' to the APT sources list with the goal of adding a single package from there. Would I need to involve myself with APT pinning using .pref files in preferences.d, or is the default-release directive in apt.conf sufficient ? |
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| 13:47.06 | ntz | got it :: ldconfig -v 2>/dev/null | perl -ne 'next if m@^\s+@; print' |
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| 13:47.53 | nvz | hiroki: what package do you need? |
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| 13:56.02 | hiroki | nvz: monit-5.22.0 as opposed to the 5.20.0 version in stable |
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| 13:56.50 | noqnio1 | how can i configure a service to run at startup that "is not meant to be enabled using systemctl." (message when trying systemctl enable x) |
| 13:58.15 | th0r | noqnio1, you might try adding a line to /etc/rc.local |
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| 13:59.19 | nvz | hiroki: the depends are all the same, so thats good it wont pull in anything as long as that doesnt change you could just install |
| 13:59.43 | abrotman | hiroki: you might be able to use the "ssb" method instead |
| 13:59.48 | nvz | hiroki: you could backport it yourself and not worry about it |
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| 14:00.46 | hiroki | nvz: Ah great ! And what about the 'proper' method of using a testing repository on a stable installation. Use apt::default-release is sufficient, or would I need to use APT pinning instead ? (maybe even a combination of both). Just in case i'd like to add another package from testing in the future.. |
| 14:01.23 | hiroki | abrotman: I'm not familiar with the SSB method, could you refer me ? |
| 14:02.04 | nvz | hiroki: in my opinion the proper method for out of branch packages is to avoid it at all costs first check for a backport, then consider making one vs a chroot |
| 14:02.11 | nvz | hiroki: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 14:02.16 | abrotman | dpkg: tell hiroki about ssb |
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| 14:03.45 | nvz | in this instance the package is not very complex and the depends match the stable ones exactly so all methods are feasible but i'd backport it using ssb personally |
| 14:04.27 | hiroki | Yeah i'm kinda trying to avoid compiling it on every single host and like to use binary packages only. Repeating a compilation on a ton of RPI3's is not the best option :) |
| 14:04.49 | nvz | hiroki: you backport it then install the deb on other systems |
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| 14:05.42 | hiroki | Right, so that would be a single compilation then, sounds fair |
| 14:05.45 | hiroki | Thanks nvz ! |
| 14:05.48 | nvz | the backported deb has no risk of breakage or changing depends versions that irreversibly upgrade libc6 or something and break your whole system |
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| 14:06.26 | nvz | testing is going to change thats certain.. how it will change is not, your backport wont |
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| 14:06.56 | hiroki | Yep, sounds like the most sensible option in terms of sustainability, good point |
| 14:07.59 | nvz | if this were something huge like libreoffice a chroot install of testing with schroot would make more sense to avoid breakage and save time |
| 14:08.39 | nvz | as i said, the smart money is on avoiding branch mixing at all costs, there are other ways |
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| 14:10.22 | hiroki | nvz: yep, avoiding it would be preferred. Quick follow-up, manually downloading the .deb from the testing repo (this specific non-dependent package) and installing the .deb locally -> would that be similar to having created a backport or might it be different after all ? |
| 14:10.48 | nvz | which is why i asked which package so i could assess the situation before recommending anything specific |
| 14:11.27 | nvz | hiroki: as long as you have no testing sources in apt, yes it would be similar |
| 14:11.48 | nvz | hiroki: but only in this instance because the depends versions all match |
| 14:12.16 | hiroki | nvz: yep, I understand the logic behind it, thanks a bunch for the double check |
| 14:12.34 | nvz | hiroki: fwiw i used judd |
| 14:13.08 | nvz | ,depends testing monit |
| 14:13.09 | judd | No package named 'testing' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 14:13.19 | nvz | ,depends monit testing |
| 14:13.21 | judd | Package monit in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.16), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libssl1.1 (>= 1.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.0), lsb-base (>= 3.2-13). |
| 14:13.46 | ralpheeee | :x |
| 14:13.47 | nvz | hiroki: you can come here and /msg judd to do package info lookups quickly |
| 14:14.01 | nvz | ,versions monit |
| 14:14.03 | judd | Package: monit on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:5.4-2; wheezy-security: 1:5.4-2+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 1:5.6-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:5.9-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 1:5.20.0-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:5.20.0-6; buster: 1:5.22.0-1; sid: 1:5.22.0-1 |
| 14:14.25 | hiroki | Was msging judd as we speak indeed, neat bot ! |
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| 14:15.04 | glick | hi# |
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| 14:15.18 | nvz | ~you alive? |
| 14:15.31 | nvz | apt: test |
| 14:15.31 | apt | [test] not funny |
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| 14:16.31 | nvz | nobody ever pays attention to apt anymore |
| 14:17.47 | glick | when should you get rid of a disk? |
| 14:17.56 | glick | i have a external usb disk, its kind of old |
| 14:18.05 | glick | i ran smartctl quick test on it |
| 14:18.22 | nvz | glick: when it starts to fail, not showing accurate space..etc |
| 14:18.29 | glick | for most tests its exceeded the threshold |
| 14:18.52 | glick | undder 'type' i see a lot of pre-fail and oldage |
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| 14:19.15 | glick | but it seems to work fine |
| 14:19.39 | nvz | depends on your prefs i suppose. my hdd im using now was used in industrial environment in a previous life and according to it smart data has seen temps of 144 |
| 14:20.09 | nvz | i dont plan on keeping anything too important on it but im not getting rid of it either |
| 14:20.42 | glick | maybe ill use it as a backup for my shitty photos |
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| 14:26.43 | nvz | idk what kinda keyboard layout you got but 7 is nowhere near / on mine |
| 14:28.36 | at0m | nvz: on a numpad it is. |
| 14:28.57 | nvz | who uses a numpad for that? heh |
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| 14:35.37 | BluesKaj | numbers guys use the number pad a lot including / and the other handy symbols there |
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| 14:37.00 | sonOfRa | I rarely use my numpad. Basically only for entering my TOTP tokens when I'm being asked for them, because they're always completely numerical |
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| 14:46.29 | contrapunctus | ...by input method I meant an input method editor, like ibus, fcitx, scim, ... |
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| 14:50.43 | contrapunctus | sorry, wrong channel |
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| 14:54.40 | zoomm10 | Hi, when the system boot, don't prompt password for swap divice, in crypttab all looks ok, any ideas? |
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| 14:57.13 | rudi_s | zoomm10: What is the line in crypttab for the swap device? |
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| 14:57.59 | zoomm10 | encswap /dev/sda6 |
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| 15:01.17 | contrapunctus | Err...one email in this bug log is spam, afaicmo. Can I safely report it? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=448638 |
| 15:01.19 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/448638 in wnpp (open): «RFP: i2p -- I2P is an anonymizing network»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2007-10-30; last modified: 2017-01-24. |
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| 15:04.19 | abrotman | contrapunctus: I think someone manually inspects it, but probably beter to ask #debian-bugs on irc.oftc.net |
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| 15:05.26 | zoomm10 | rudi_s:i am thinking the problem is coming from last updates, before some month it is working... |
| 15:05.58 | kbeflo | what is similar to debirf but smaller, that can fit it into a 64mb flashdrive |
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| 15:06.34 | contrapunctus | abrotman: thanks |
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| 15:07.59 | rudi_s | zoomm10: man cryptab -> "Note that all four fields are mandatory and that a missing field will lead to unspecified behaviour." |
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| 15:09.06 | zoomm10 | rudi_s: did you mean like /de/urandom etc? |
| 15:09.24 | rudi_s | zoomm10: Yes, you need to use all fields. |
| 15:09.35 | xp | How come we don't have Eagle for Stretch? |
| 15:09.40 | rudi_s | (Depending what you're doing with swap /dev/urandom will be an issue, but depends what you do.) |
| 15:10.35 | zoomm10 | rudi_s: encswap /dev/sda6 /dev/urandom swap,cipher=aes-cbc-essiv:sha256,size=256 |
| 15:11.01 | rudi_s | zoomm10: Why do you expect a prompt for the password? |
| 15:11.02 | zoomm10 | rudi_s: i miss something? |
| 15:11.13 | rudi_s | It's randomly generated on each boot. |
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| 15:11.18 | zoomm10 | rudi_s : no |
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| 15:11.45 | rudi_s | "The third field, key file, describes the file to use as a key for decrypting the data of the source device. Note that the entire key file will be used as the passphrase; the passphrase must not be followed by a newline character." |
| 15:11.52 | rudi_s | Unless I'm misreading the man page. |
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| 15:15.10 | xp | Is there a good free alternative to cadsofts Eagle? |
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| 15:18.05 | zoomm10 | rudi_s: thank you |
| 15:18.43 | rudi_s | np |
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| 15:21.41 | somiaj | xp: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_EDA_software might helop |
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| 15:22.15 | kbeflo | what is similar to debirf but smaller that can fit it into a 64mb flashdrive? |
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| 15:30.22 | vilpan | hi all, I'm wondering why does debootstrap need root? I thought it should only be writing to the target dir and not change the host system in any way. |
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| 15:32.24 | somiaj | vilpan: you have to be root to change file permisions to owners/groups you don't have access to. debootstrap has to set up all the file permeissions to be owned by root, or what ever the proper user/group is for a debian system. |
| 15:33.08 | somiaj | debootstrap may also be writting some root owend setuid files too, and you don't want normal users to be able to do this without root permissions. |
| 15:33.14 | nvz | use fakeroot? |
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| 15:34.00 | somiaj | I doubt fakeroot will help in this case, but unsure on the details of what fakeroot actually allows (I have never used it outside of packaging) |
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| 15:34.17 | nvz | me either |
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| 15:35.54 | Quo-fan | i have a question about upgrading from jessie to stretch with apt: does it work smoothly so that it doesnt break the package dee |
| 15:35.57 | Quo-fan | depencies |
| 15:36.20 | somiaj | Quo-fan: it works in many cases, but still read the release notes, and follow their suggestions |
| 15:36.22 | abrotman | generally, yes |
| 15:36.37 | somiaj | if you use third party packages/repos, this is one known thing that can cause problems. |
| 15:36.45 | nvz | Quo-fan: yes if you use dist-upgrade and have no 3rd patry packages |
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| 15:39.36 | vilpan | somiaj: thanks. I intend to setup a chroot under my $HOME, so it seemed a bit strange that debootstrap outright refuses to run without root. |
| 15:39.36 | nvz | ive been doing dist-upgrades since potato and the worst times we had was when devfs came about |
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| 15:40.50 | nvz | vilpan: schroot is handy for running apps in a chroot |
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| 15:42.06 | rudi_s | vilpan: You can't chroot anything without being root. |
| 15:42.19 | vilpan | nvz: right, I noticed as I read the wiki pages on chroot and debootstrap as well as the schroot package description, yet didn't quite get what the advantages are. It seems to automate some things, but I don't intend to manage large number of chroots or even work with them a lot, so not sure there's any benefit for me. |
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| 15:44.23 | nvz | vilpan: schroot helps to integrate apps in the chroot to run as though they were regularly installed |
| 15:44.49 | kang00 | How to implement or use modbus protocol |
| 15:44.54 | vilpan | Quo-fan: also note that it is not recommended to run the upgrade process inside a graphical session. Haven't reviewed stretch release notes yet, but that's what the release notes for previous releases used to say. |
| 15:45.25 | nvz | vilpan: it also addresses needing to be root to do it iirc |
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| 15:45.34 | somiaj | vilpan: it would be a security issue if a normal user could create a chroot and then chroot into it. root is needed for this. |
| 15:45.35 | rdz | hey all..what's the point of adding the components contrib and non-free to Debian-Security sourcelist? |
| 15:45.41 | rdz | https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Component |
| 15:46.00 | greycat | To get patches for contrib and non-free packages. |
| 15:46.00 | rdz | I thought, the security team only covers main |
| 15:46.23 | rdz | greycat, so there _are_ patches to those, even if the security team doesn't address them on their own? |
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| 15:47.36 | greycat | Who knows. The security FAQ says it' |
| 15:47.41 | greycat | s not supported, but ... |
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| 15:53.13 | vilpan | rdz: fwiw, virtualbox* is in the contrib package list, e.g. http://security.debian.org/dists/jessie/updates/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages.gz |
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| 15:54.22 | somiaj | not that oracle lets its team backport secuirty patches to an older version though. |
| 15:54.27 | somiaj | why it was removed from stretch |
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| 15:58.46 | rdz | vilpan, ah.. thanks.. so it does make sense to add contrib to Debian-Security list |
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| 16:01.50 | vilpan | rdz: I suppose so, jessie had virtualbox in contrib, stretch has otrs in non-free on security.d.o. Although, if you can avoid contrib and non-free in the first place, the point is moot :) |
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| 16:03.09 | somiaj | rdz: the security team likes tries to deal with contrib/non-free security issues when it can. Sometimes (mostly with contrib) it can, non-free it may not be able to due to leagle reasons. Sometimes the owner of the non-free software will provide a security fix that debian can then distribute. |
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| 16:12.15 | cluelessperson | hey guys, I have a ethernet driver in the form of a .so file, how do I install this in debian? |
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| 16:13.51 | somiaj | cluelessperson: what ethernet card? You shoudln't need to get drivers that way. |
| 16:14.30 | shtrb | cluelessperson , that is not how you get a module (insmod filename.ko ) , an .so mean you did something wrong |
| 16:14.33 | jelly | cluelessperson: .so file is a userspace library, and drivers are typically kernel space software not userspace. |
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| 16:14.45 | shtrb | your kernel should do all the work |
| 16:14.48 | cluelessperson | somiaj: e1000e |
| 16:14.50 | jelly | cluelessperson: where exactly did you get this file from? |
| 16:15.07 | shtrb | cluelessperson , modprobe e1000 and that it |
| 16:15.11 | jelly | cluelessperson: what does "lspci -nn" line for your card look like? |
| 16:15.21 | somiaj | I don't see why you would need to get any driver for that card, it should work with the default kernel just fine. |
| 16:15.22 | jelly | shtrb: probably e1000e, not e1000 |
| 16:15.28 | towo` | shtrb, e1000 ! e1000e |
| 16:15.35 | shtrb | correct |
| 16:15.37 | cluelessperson | shtrb Sorry, it's a ko file |
| 16:15.44 | towo` | but it's in kernel since ages |
| 16:16.06 | shtrb | Never load a kernel module you didn't write |
| 16:16.08 | shtrb | you have a package for that |
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| 16:17.03 | jelly | cluelessperson: a .ko kernel module needs to be built precisely for the kernel you're running, so, again, can you say where you got this file from? And which kernel are you using right now (uname -a)? |
| 16:17.12 | cluelessperson | Okay, sorry. To clarify. We have wheezy here on a product, and we're trying to install this ethernet driver for a new piece of hardware. |
| 16:17.27 | cluelessperson | jelly: it's a downloadable from the intel website. |
| 16:17.30 | cluelessperson | We have source. |
| 16:17.35 | jelly | where... EXACTLY |
| 16:17.45 | shtrb | Never trust a vendor |
| 16:17.53 | shtrb | Are you asking to break your system !? |
| 16:18.11 | cluelessperson | jelly: Intel's official driver website, there's source to make it as well. |
| 16:18.11 | jelly | shtrb: lol, they made the hardware, trusting them already |
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| 16:18.18 | shtrb | *brick your system |
| 16:18.58 | somiaj | cluelessperson: in general you do not download the .ko file, you download the files to build the .ko file to link against your current kernel. |
| 16:19.11 | shtrb | jelly , the hardware is one thing , a binary is a differnt thing |
| 16:19.22 | jelly | cluelessperson: can you point out the URL? And which kernel are you using right now? |
| 16:19.25 | cluelessperson | somiaj: okay, well I think my coworker built this ko file on the system. |
| 16:19.41 | jelly | shtrb: not at all -- same vendor, same level of trust |
| 16:19.43 | cluelessperson | https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/15817 |
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| 16:19.52 | somiaj | cluelessperson: part of building it should install it for the current kernel. If your kernel changes, you may have to rebuild, not just copy the .ko over. |
| 16:20.00 | shtrb | cluelessperson , to begin with - if you are running an updated kernel it should be already there (and loaded) |
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| 16:20.28 | cluelessperson | somiaj: so if you have a build system where you install this on products, how are you supposed to include it? |
| 16:20.44 | cluelessperson | I expect to be able to just install a package normally with debootstrap, for example |
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| 16:21.06 | shtrb | dkms , m-a but that module is usually inside the kernel already |
| 16:21.20 | shtrb | *m-a == module-assitant |
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| 16:21.27 | jelly | cluelessperson: what does uname -a say? and uname -r? |
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| 16:21.56 | shtrb | cluelessperson , your kernel probabably have that already |
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| 16:22.51 | cluelessperson | Linux Wheezy 1.stations 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1 (2016-01-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:23.11 | cluelessperson | shtrb: well I'm unable to use the ethernet driver it seems |
| 16:23.20 | jelly | so you have an old wheezy-backports kernel there |
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| 16:23.41 | jelly | cluelessperson: what does "lspci -nn" line for that card look like? |
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| 16:24.35 | jelly | cluelessperson: if this was a driver that did not exist in kernel already, you'd put it somewhere under /lib/modules/3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64/ |
| 16:24.46 | shtrb | 3.16.0.4 had e1000e support |
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| 16:25.37 | shtrb | cluelessperson , do you have an error of some kind ? the interface is not up ? |
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| 16:25.53 | cluelessperson | jelly: It lists an "ethernet controller" and it says, "eth0 is not configured" when I attempt to bring it up |
| 16:25.53 | jelly | cluelessperson: eg. mkdir /lib/modules/3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64/extra, place it there, then run depmod -a and hope it overrides the in-kernel one |
| 16:25.55 | shtrb | an oops in dmesg |
| 16:25.56 | cluelessperson | ifup eth0 |
| 16:26.06 | jelly | cluelessperson: that's not output of "lspci -nn" |
| 16:26.35 | jelly | show the full line (or at least the pci-id [8086:XXXX]) |
| 16:26.57 | cluelessperson | jelly: there is something along those lines, but it's a long string I'd have to manually copy over. |
| 16:27.02 | jelly | do that. |
| 16:28.12 | cluelessperson | 00:1f:6 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:24fd] (rev 78) |
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| 16:28.26 | jelly | judd: pciid 8086:24fd |
| 16:28.27 | judd | [8086:24fd] is 'Wireless 8265 / 8275' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:24fd |
| 16:28.39 | jelly | wireless? |
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| 16:28.48 | cluelessperson | jelly: that may be the wielress one. |
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| 16:29.04 | cluelessperson | I don't see another network controller listed, that must be the wireless one |
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| 16:29.30 | cluelessperson | jelly: Wait, no, it says "ethernet controlller" |
| 16:29.41 | shtrb | e1000e is 1Gbps ... |
| 16:29.47 | jelly | cluelessperson: that's not e1000e driven, that's iwlwifi driven wireless |
| 16:29.59 | shtrb | I think you are searching for iwlwifi |
| 16:30.06 | jelly | wrong device |
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| 16:30.59 | cluelessperson | I'm not interested in the wifi driver |
| 16:31.03 | jelly | cluelessperson: if the device isn't visible on PCI it won't work in linux no matter which driver is present :-) |
| 16:31.31 | jelly | (and if it's a pci device at all, not usb or i2c or what not) |
| 16:31.41 | shtrb | jelly , usb wifi adapters ... |
| 16:32.26 | shtrb | cluelessperson , when you did ifup eth0 (or ifconfig eth0 up) what did you see in dmesg ? |
| 16:32.46 | jelly | cluelessperson: the stupid thing to do would be overwriting e1000e.ko that's already somewhere under /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ |
| 16:33.00 | cluelessperson | jelly: The other is, "3a:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:15d8] (rev 21)" |
| 16:33.11 | jelly | ,pciid 8086:15d8 |
| 16:33.12 | judd | [8086:15d8] is 'Ethernet Connection (4) I219-V' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:15d8 |
| 16:33.17 | shtrb | Oh shit |
| 16:33.22 | jelly | that's better |
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| 16:34.05 | jelly | added sometimes around 4.6 or so, /lib/modules/4.6.0-1-amd64/modules.alias:alias pci:v00008086d000015D8sv*sd*bc*sc*i* e1000e |
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| 16:34.50 | jelly | cluelessperson: so put the driver in the right place, run depmod -a, see if the new one gets used after reboot |
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| 16:35.28 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 16:35.29 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2) |
| 16:36.16 | jelly | and if there was an up-to-date kernel in wheezy-backports you'd also be told to upgrade that, and the rest of your wheezy installation |
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| 16:36.43 | somiaj | Isn't there a wheezy-backports-sloppy, that is where such a kernel, if it existed, would live. |
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| 16:38.04 | jelly | I don't think anyone bothered to backport 4.9 for wheezy |
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| 16:39.26 | mrig | Hello folks, I'd like to ask your advice, I am running ubuntu 16.04 and have just found out that my skylake processor is eligible for a patch. Any advice for this, I believe that it is a debian patch that I will be applying? |
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| 16:39.43 | qw__ | guys is it possible to configure specific options for 1 package in unattended-upgrades? |
| 16:40.02 | qw__ | for example I want a package to respond 'N' when it asks to replece configs |
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| 16:40.04 | cluelessperson | jelly: well copying it there didn't seem to do it, I'm atempting to install the kernel development files so I can do make install |
| 16:40.05 | greycat | mrig: ask #ubuntu |
| 16:40.06 | jelly | cluelessperson: your customers will need access to the exact same version of driver source matching the .ko you shipped |
| 16:40.15 | jelly | cluelessperson: did you run depmod -a? |
| 16:40.21 | cluelessperson | jelly: I did |
| 16:40.29 | jelly | cluelessperson: and possibly got rid of the original e1000e.ko ? |
| 16:40.38 | mrig | greycat: Hi, I did and your mirror over there said :~ ask #debian :D |
| 16:40.46 | cluelessperson | jelly: I don't think it was there, but there's no telling what my coworker did to this. |
| 16:41.05 | towo` | mrig, but in #debian is no ubuntu-support |
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| 16:41.19 | cluelessperson | jelly: I'm going to have him reinstall this fresh, can you remind me where I should look to see if the driver already exists? |
| 16:41.26 | mrig | sure, just asking for friendly advice :) |
| 16:41.37 | cluelessperson | jelly: then I'll try to do make install depmod -a and reboot |
| 16:41.39 | mrig | towo`^ |
| 16:41.40 | jelly | cluelessperson: don't think, verify. find /lib/modules/3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 -name 'e1000e*' |
| 16:41.54 | towo` | if that module was not compiled against that running kernel, it's useless to copy it over |
| 16:42.03 | towo` | it will never work |
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| 16:42.46 | mrig | I have considered trying debian on this machine, I run it on my home computer and really like the environment :) I havn't yet because the cpu was not in jessy package. |
| 16:42.54 | jelly | towo`: working under the assumption cluelessperson's coworker is not an idiot |
| 16:42.55 | cluelessperson | towo`: when you say "current kernel" do you mean that version? or the exact kernel running on that machine? Because in theory it's the same version across all our products.. |
| 16:43.10 | cluelessperson | jelly: That might be a bad assumption in this case... |
| 16:43.21 | jelly | cluelessperson: ABI needs to match, at the very least |
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| 16:43.43 | jelly | and possibly more if the driver uses gpl-only symbols |
| 16:43.43 | mrig | There was me thinking that all the undefined behaviour was my dodgy c code :P |
| 16:43.44 | cluelessperson | towo`: we built the module on a different machine, but the same version sure |
| 16:44.21 | jelly | cluelessperson: what does "modinfo e1000e" say before and after you put the newer .ko in place? |
| 16:44.24 | shtrb | maybe building dkms package for that ? |
| 16:44.38 | mrig | turns out its intels, can feel a little better about my coding skills, or lack there of ... |
| 16:44.59 | jelly | cluelessperson: if the versions are different, that means you managed to put the new one in the correct place |
| 16:45.18 | qw__ | where can i find documentation for Unattended-upgrades? |
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| 16:46.30 | qw__ | man unattended-upgrades gives no manual, man unattended-upgrade only gives a man for that command specifically, i see no help for configuration |
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| 16:47.09 | cluelessperson | jelly: So here's what's happening. We're trying to modify our product to include this driver for new hardware. What I did is copy the hard drive image from the old hardware, to the new hardware. The only thing that doesn't come up is the ethernet driver. But I have a running product. |
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| 16:47.48 | cluelessperson | jelly: I'm having my coworker reinstall all it fresh, because he was screwing with it for awhile before I got here, then I'll check the output of "modinfo e1000e" before attempting to build my own ko from source. |
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| 16:55.37 | mrig | Hello folks, I'd like to ask your advice, I am running ubuntu 16.04 and have just found out that my skylake processor is eligible for a patch. Any advice for this, I believe that it is a debian patch that I will be applying; Has this been done, and did it work? |
| 16:55.41 | qw__ | where can i find documentation for Unattended-upgrades? |
| 16:56.08 | mrig | Oh well will just turn of ht for now, might up the battery life or something :) |
| 16:56.16 | greycat | mrig: we can't tell you how to install things on Ubuntu. If they want you to manually download a .deb file from a Debian server and install it with dpkg -i, they will have to tell you where to get it and what precautions to take. |
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| 16:58.27 | mrig | I can install dpkg ok, or perhaps there is a backport that I can include, just trying to asses the situation at the moment. Thanks for that info. |
| 16:58.39 | greycat | We *really* do not know what you need to do. |
| 16:58.42 | greycat | Ask #ubuntu. |
| 16:59.17 | greycat | qw__: nothing in /usr/share/doc/unattended-upgrades/ ? |
| 16:59.30 | cluelessperson | jelly: shtrb thanks btw |
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| 17:00.13 | qw__ | bash: cd: /usr/share/doc/unattended-upgrades/: No such file or directory |
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| 17:00.26 | greycat | Are you sure you've installed it? |
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| 17:01.09 | greycat | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/all/unattended-upgrades/filelist |
| 17:01.51 | forcerecon | what is messages in /var/log |
| 17:01.58 | mrig | ok thank you guys, ill just disable it for now and follow there updates on the matter. |
| 17:02.00 | forcerecon | what does that do? |
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| 17:02.55 | qw__ | oh did it on the wrong laptop |
| 17:03.00 | qw__ | yes i see some files over there |
| 17:03.04 | qw__ | README.md.gz |
| 17:03.18 | qw__ | no clue how to open it |
| 17:03.28 | qw__ | man ./README.md.gz doesm |
| 17:03.30 | qw__ | t work |
| 17:04.00 | greycat | zless |
| 17:04.26 | qw__ | oh great, thank you |
| 17:04.40 | shtrb | cluelessperson , I didn't help that much but you might like to check dkms |
| 17:05.03 | cluelessperson | shtrb: what are those? |
| 17:05.03 | towo` | forcerecon, kidding? |
| 17:05.19 | towo` | forcerecon, look in it, that you haven't to ask |
| 17:05.37 | shtrb | !dkms |
| 17:05.37 | dpkg | Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux kernel headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file is at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log |
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| 17:06.09 | shtrb | cluelessperson ^ |
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| 17:06.40 | towo` | shtrb, what should dkms help here? without a dkms-package for that module? |
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| 17:07.20 | shtrb | If he will build a package , next time he changes a kernel that would be auto built for him |
| 17:07.38 | shtrb | If he doesn't switch to 4.X |
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| 17:09.18 | forcerecon | towo`: Could not open the file â/var/log/messagesâ. |
| 17:09.32 | greycat | You have to be root to read most of the logs. |
| 17:09.33 | towo` | forcerecon, again, learn the basics |
| 17:09.33 | forcerecon | nothing is associated with it and I cannot open it in text editor or office |
| 17:09.40 | forcerecon | hey I am trying.. |
| 17:09.47 | greycat | "office"??! |
| 17:09.49 | forcerecon | I am looking at all files.. one at a time |
| 17:09.50 | greycat | jesus fuck |
| 17:09.55 | towo` | forcerecon, less /var/log/messages, cat /war/log/messages, tail /var/log/messages |
| 17:09.58 | greycat | Be root. Use less or tail. |
| 17:09.59 | forcerecon | libre./.. it is a editor no |
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| 17:10.15 | greycat | You do not fucking use LibreOffice to read log files. |
| 17:10.19 | shtrb | forcerecon , sudo less ... |
| 17:10.24 | forcerecon | hey.. be helpful don';t be a dick |
| 17:10.27 | forcerecon | christ |
| 17:10.33 | forcerecon | wtf man.. I am learning |
| 17:10.37 | haylon | could you also do a grep -R -n searchTerm ./path/to/files ? |
| 17:10.49 | greycat | I prefer to search within less so I have context |
| 17:10.51 | haylon | just a suggestion |
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| 17:10.56 | cluelessperson | jelly: to confirm, doing that find command you listed above does find the driver file in the proper locatoin, it's already there (freshly resinstalled system) |
| 17:10.56 | forcerecon | not you haylon |
| 17:11.18 | haylon | I usually alias that command to the term "fuzzy" |
| 17:11.27 | shtrb | forcerecon , what ? |
| 17:11.30 | haylon | so I can a fuzzy find of the term in the files or directories that I care for |
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| 17:11.50 | forcerecon | shtrb: I have no idea what that question is in reference too |
| 17:11.53 | haylon | Then you can Vim/Nano/whatever the file |
| 17:12.04 | shtrb | you said don't be a dick |
| 17:12.10 | greycat | He was talking to me. |
| 17:12.22 | greycat | I was aghast that he's trying to use LibreOffice to read /var/log/messages |
| 17:12.27 | forcerecon | you know this channel is support.. it would be best if people just helped instead of being nasty |
| 17:12.38 | cluelessperson | jelly: so I'm not sure how to proceed |
| 17:12.41 | haylon | "wording" |
| 17:12.45 | forcerecon | just help.. if I ask a question its because I don't know and I need help.. you think I did not try things before I asked |
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| 17:13.18 | shtrb | forcerecon , please don't use such things (like libreoffice) to open logs. it's just not a good idea |
| 17:13.28 | haylon | forcerecon: I use that grep command above, get a line number, and start there with less or vim |
| 17:13.28 | greycat | Use less to read most text files. If they're SMALL (and if you know in advance that they are small, and do not contain weird unprintable binary characters), then you may consider using cat instead. |
| 17:13.37 | greycat | If they're compressed (*.gz) then use zless. |
| 17:13.48 | cluelessperson | forcerecon: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:13.53 | teraflops | forcerecon: to be honest, people do not use libreoffice for reading logs⦠|
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| 17:14.22 | greycat | I generally assume that people here have at least, like *one day* worth of basic unix experience. |
| 17:14.33 | greycat | Especially names that I have been seeing in IRC for weeks/months. |
| 17:14.42 | haylon | doesn't mean chew his head off though. I work with IT Professionals who use word to view logs or write code. |
| 17:14.43 | forcerecon | I am going through all files located in the folders on linux one at a time to see what they are.. some are protected.. I am trying to see what you gurus do in order to look at them the proper way other then me just hacking my way through things |
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| 17:14.52 | shtrb | greycat that is not #unix :) |
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| 17:15.27 | haylon | forcerecon, do you have questions about specific directories, or just files in general? |
| 17:15.53 | forcerecon | no worries, thanks I got it.. I figured it out..... |
| 17:15.58 | greycat | Apparently he's asking for his intro to basic unix concepts like "use less/cat to read a file". Which he's getting now. |
| 17:16.10 | mutante | forcerecon: find . |
| 17:16.21 | teraflops | haylon: this is not windows though |
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| 17:16.37 | humbot | users, permissions, the directory tree... |
| 17:16.44 | mutante | forcerecon: that literal command "find ." lists all files in all subdirs below where i am, using it a lot |
| 17:16.49 | haylon | I know, and it drives me up the wall |
| 17:16.51 | Quo-fan | hmmm |
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| 17:17.06 | greycat | There are relatively few places where I would care to run "find ." |
| 17:17.16 | greycat | At least not without some other options to limit the results. |
| 17:17.42 | haylon | forcerecon, I would look to Google for this question. You can PM me and I'll tell you of a few places I'd send people |
| 17:17.54 | cluelessperson | forcerecon: most of us use the terminal to manage our systems |
| 17:18.13 | forcerecon | thanks for the help.. I am on my way.. I am doing fine now.. I just want to know where all files are and what they contain.. one at a time.. |
| 17:18.17 | forcerecon | thakns |
| 17:18.18 | forcerecon | thanks |
| 17:18.31 | humbot | its not a question of terminal or not, its opening a log file in a read-only way |
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| 17:18.55 | teraflops | forcerecon: this set of tutorials are still fine for getting a linux introduction: http://www.funtoo.org/Linux_Fundamentals,_Part_1 |
| 17:19.24 | mutante | come on people, you can pick between 2 options, answer his question or don't. what's with all the meta stuff like talking about using Google and PMs and "but i don't do it this way" .. sheesh |
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| 17:19.47 | greycat | What question? |
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| 17:20.11 | teraflops | im not sure if that was a ragequit |
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| 17:20.18 | haylon | probably |
| 17:20.39 | haylon | I learned the hardway many years ago, do the prerequisite research first |
| 17:21.03 | forcerecon | thanks gent.. I am fine.. I got what I needed.. I am working through the OS.. you have to realize that when you ask questions here there is an assumption of where they are.. you guys just say things like edit this file.. xxxx.xx some place some where some time.. unless I know where every single file is.. or have at least seen it once.. I can't answer properly.. just trying to memorize where things are and what they do.. |
| 17:21.11 | forcerecon | so thanks for the help.. I am going well. |
| 17:21.51 | haylon | Hopefully you find your own method forcerecon |
| 17:22.01 | haylon | everyone learns differently |
| 17:22.09 | teraflops | I can understand people facedesk when a person that is not new here says is using libreoffice for reading logs |
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| 17:23.18 | jelly | cluelessperson: interesting. Then, pastebin the complete output of "dmesg" and "lsmod" with new driver in place |
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| 17:26.05 | cluelessperson | jelly: right now I'm cloning the harddrive of the old system, to the new system with new hardware |
| 17:26.18 | cluelessperson | jelly: I'll doa pastebin shortly |
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| 17:28.53 | cluelessperson | jelly: confirmed hardware works because I'm using ethernet with clonezilla to image the hard drive over. |
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| 17:29.02 | cluelessperson | booting up and will get dmesg contents |
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| 17:46.45 | bolt | I used to have a bunch of lines with "bridge_ports eth1.N" on my bridges in /etc/network/interfaces to configure my vlan interfaces for QEMU/KVM to bind to. can I still do that in stretch? i am seeing conflicting news about whether or not this is supported still. what should I be doing instead? |
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| 17:47.27 | spacebug^ | bolt: I'm using that right now in Stretch |
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| 17:48.05 | spacebug^ | bolt: like so -> https://paste.debian.net/974582/ |
| 17:48.26 | jelly | bolt: you can still use configuration via interfaces in stretch, never put a vlan iface into a bridge so no idea about that |
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| 17:49.01 | jelly | but vlan config and bridge config still works |
| 17:49.01 | spacebug^ | oh, sorry, missed the part about "vlan" |
| 17:50.08 | bolt | the changelog on upgrade says "On this version we've also removed integration with the vlan package, we're leaving vlan setup to the ifupdown package" |
| 17:50.49 | bolt | the manual for "interfaces" on jessie says "For compatibility with bridge-utils package, if bridge_ports option is specified, VLAN interface configuration is not performed." |
| 17:51.01 | bolt | guess i'll have to dig up the stretch manual |
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| 17:52.03 | bolt | ah. that clause is indeed gone here https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/ifupdown/interfaces.5.en.html |
| 17:52.17 | bolt | guess ifupdown handles it then |
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| 17:53.46 | cluelessperson | jelly: what are you looking for in that log? |
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| 17:57.16 | cluelessperson | jelly: lsmod https://hastebin.com/raw/atavomuqab |
| 17:57.22 | cluelessperson | jelly: dmesg https://hastebin.com/raw/ibubetajot |
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| 17:58.31 | jelly | cluelessperson: signs of e1000e misbehaving |
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| 17:59.08 | jelly | cluelessperson: but it's not loaded at all? |
| 17:59.10 | C]leaneR | irccloud: irc.ladysclub-irc.net 6667 room #Outlaws :) join and get @/& nice users and friendly talking. |
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| 18:03.12 | jelly | cluelessperson: what happens if you modprobe it manually? |
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| 18:05.11 | cybrNaut | Debian is not on the list of free distributions: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html |
| 18:05.36 | cybrNaut | i thought debian already excluded non-free software from the standard repos |
| 18:05.36 | nkuttler | cybrNaut: we know |
| 18:05.59 | cybrNaut | any reason i shouldn't use gNewSense instead? |
| 18:06.06 | cybrNaut | gNewSense is on the list, and it's debian based |
| 18:06.10 | nkuttler | cybrNaut: that's not good enough. and debian puts fsf docs into non-free. they are not big fans of debian.. |
| 18:06.19 | cluelessperson | jelly: how to do that? modprobe e1000e ? |
| 18:06.28 | nkuttler | cybrNaut: use whatever you like. ask the gnewsense people about their distro.. |
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| 18:07.33 | cybrNaut | nkuttler: why would fsf docs be in non-free? what's an fsf doc, exactly? do you mean GPL'd docs? |
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| 18:08.24 | nkuttler | cybrNaut: because they are not free according to the debian guidelines |
| 18:08.44 | nkuttler | they have several manuals with invariant sections and such iirc |
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| 18:22.30 | jelly | cluelessperson: yes |
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| 18:27.27 | cluelessperson | jelly: um, no output? |
| 18:27.46 | cluelessperson | jelly: modprobe e1000e -vvv shows some debug info, but nothing looks, wrong? |
| 18:28.09 | jelly | cluelessperson: it's in dmesg |
| 18:28.48 | jelly | and lsmod if it loaded properly. And an eth* or en* iface ought to appear |
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| 18:29.22 | cluelessperson | jelly: I don't see anything appearing in dmesg related to that |
| 18:30.18 | jelly | cluelessperson: did it load? |
| 18:30.37 | cluelessperson | jelly: I don't know how to tell, I don't see any errors |
| 18:31.07 | cluelessperson | hates silent operations |
| 18:31.07 | jelly | cluelessperson: look at lsmod! |
| 18:31.12 | jelly | silence and exit status 0 means success |
| 18:31.27 | jelly | that's fine |
| 18:31.47 | cluelessperson | jelly: lsmod shows e1000e as the very first loaded module now |
| 18:32.00 | jelly | cluelessperson: look at modinfo e1000e, is the right pci id listed there under an alias line? |
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| 18:32.59 | jelly | if it's not then you either got the wrong e1000e or you built the wrong e1000e :-) |
| 18:33.12 | cluelessperson | jelly: there are maybe a hundred aliases |
| 18:33.27 | jelly | use grep |
| 18:33.31 | cluelessperson | which address do I need to search for (thinks it's from earlier) |
| 18:33.56 | jelly | cluelessperson: one matching the PCI ID for your card |
| 18:34.31 | jelly | meaning "this driver will try to bind and drive this piece of hardware if it's present in your system" |
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| 18:35.55 | jelly | so if your card is... [8086:15d8], you'll probably want to modinfo e1000e | grep 15D8 |
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| 18:36.17 | cluelessperson | jelly: There's a ton of 8086s, but no 15D8 |
| 18:36.36 | uxfi | cluelessperson; hello there |
| 18:36.45 | cluelessperson | uxfi: hi |
| 18:37.06 | jelly | cluelessperson: so either you're seeing the original e1000e driver from debian's kernel, or the one your coworker built was not the right version for this card, or was built incorrectly |
| 18:37.12 | cluelessperson | jelly: this is indeed the original |
| 18:37.20 | jelly | cluelessperson: where did you put your new e1000e.ko ? |
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| 18:37.34 | cluelessperson | jelly: I have not installed it yet, this is a fresh system |
| 18:37.38 | jelly | ... |
| 18:37.52 | jelly | then WHY THE FUCK are you surprised it does not work |
| 18:38.36 | cluelessperson | jelly: I don't know what e1000e means, I would assume it's the same driver that supports the same devices. |
| 18:38.36 | cluelessperson | I'm guessing I'm wrong. |
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| 18:38.55 | cluelessperson | also, I haven't verified that what my coworker downloaded, even if it's an update to e1000e, is correct for the hardware. |
| 18:39.04 | jelly | cluelessperson: it's different versions of the same, evolving, driver |
| 18:40.17 | cluelessperson | jelly: ah, so they probably add support for newly adapted hardware. |
| 18:40.18 | cluelessperson | jelly: in which case, I definitely probably need to install the new driver. |
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| 18:40.18 | jelly | that's the whole bloody point of installing the newer one |
| 18:40.18 | jelly | and that's the question you started with |
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| 18:40.29 | cluelessperson | jelly: sorry I don't mean to frustrate you, I reinstalled and started fresh with the intention of reviewing why the driver already installed doesn't work, I guess that explains it |
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| 18:40.50 | jelly | I kind of assumed you knew _why_ you were doing the thing you were trying to do |
| 18:41.39 | cluelessperson | jelly: Eh, I know it's new hardware, but I figured you'd have different drivers for different hardware, not that you'd update drivers unless you had to |
| 18:41.47 | cluelessperson | I think it would cause confusion |
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| 18:43.32 | jelly | open source hw support doesn't hide the fact "new" driver and hardware is 99% the same as old driver and hw |
| 18:44.01 | jelly | changes in both hw and sw parts are usually incremental |
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| 18:54.10 | jelly | cluelessperson: it's not that confusing, because a normal user gets told "you need a kernel 4.5 or newer", they install a fresh enough kernel and get the updated driver (together with other 1000 changes) |
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| 18:55.58 | cluelessperson | jelly: I cannot make the source without "kerenel development package" installed, and can't seem to find what I need to install |
| 18:56.07 | cluelessperson | needs a new job |
| 18:56.26 | cluelessperson | this crap is so ancient is't difficult to manage/support |
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| 19:26.08 | TheRoo | what does debian mipsel use if not systemd? |
| 19:26.27 | TheRoo | pid1 is init |
| 19:26.52 | greycat | PID 1 is always init. You have to check what the /sbin/init symlink is pointing to. |
| 19:27.28 | TheRoo | ok, checking |
| 19:28.03 | TheRoo | to its |
| 19:28.06 | TheRoo | itself |
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| 19:28.27 | cluelessperson | jelly: thanks for your help |
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| 19:28.35 | TheRoo | i just want to be able to run a command on startup, want to know how i can do it |
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| 19:29.06 | greycat | Depends on the command. If it's simple and you don't want to build an infrastructure out of it, stick it in /etc/rc.local |
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| 19:29.35 | TheRoo | like put it in that file? |
| 19:29.42 | greycat | !rc.local |
| 19:29.42 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
| 19:29.57 | TheRoo | thank you! |
| 19:30.02 | greycat | err... probably don't ask it about init.d |
| 19:30.20 | greycat | that factoid obviously predates there being a choice of init systems |
| 19:31.05 | TheRoo | ik about init.d, it has all the initscripts |
| 19:31.24 | TheRoo | that i can make symlinks to in rc0.d and stuff |
| 19:31.30 | TheRoo | but i just forgot about rc.local |
| 19:31.34 | TheRoo | ty for your help |
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| 19:31.44 | TheRoo | been time i used rc. |
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| 20:00.03 | hoerup | hmm have a nfs issue- have 2 vm's - both distupgraded from 8.8 to 9 - one mounts a nfsv4 perfectly - the other mounts the same nfs volume as a 16mb volume (but it is 30TB) |
| 20:00.35 | hoerup | ... nfs tools and libs are the same |
| 20:00.40 | hoerup | ... uname -a shows the same |
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| 20:12.41 | ozzloy | thanks everyone for all your help over the years and years |
| 20:12.48 | ozzloy | super duper appreciated |
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| 20:28.45 | leachim6 | so how are you folks liking Stretch? |
| 20:28.59 | leachim6 | running smooth as butter for me, updated a system that has gone from wheezy->jessie->stretch |
| 20:29.01 | leachim6 | no problems |
| 20:29.52 | greycat | Most people have a similar experience, but there are some who get clobbered by issues with video drivers, firmware, DE changes, ... |
| 20:30.13 | leachim6 | I should mention, this install is headless on a server |
| 20:30.24 | greycat | Oh, that makes life much easier :) |
| 20:30.46 | leachim6 | yeah, I run ubuntu as my main desktop for work, don't judge me |
| 20:30.52 | leachim6 | I'm one of the 1% that actually likes unity |
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| 20:30.57 | greycat | no-DE server upgrades are probably the most tested thing |
| 20:31.43 | leachim6 | what's your deb setup look like? |
| 20:31.43 | leachim6 | servers/workstations ? |
| 20:31.55 | greycat | All of the above, yes. |
| 20:31.56 | nvz | does anyone know how to config links2 for magnet links? it says no program specified for magnet and using magnet as content type for associations doesnt fix it, idk what the content type for a magnet link is suppose to be |
| 20:32.02 | jelly | laptops! |
| 20:32.06 | jelly | fridges? |
| 20:32.22 | leachim6 | I love debian |
| 20:32.27 | greycat | I don't deal with laptops/wireless myself. |
| 20:32.37 | leachim6 | it's gotten 900% better in the last decade |
| 20:32.37 | teraflops | I love my cat! |
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| 20:32.52 | jelly | nvz, dunno, but after installing transmission it registered itself... somehow |
| 20:32.52 | leachim6 | when I first used linux it was redhat 5 in 2003 or so |
| 20:32.55 | leachim6 | oh boy |
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| 20:33.21 | nvz | jelly: i have transmission daemon and remote-cli installed |
| 20:33.32 | nvz | and transmission-remote |
| 20:33.38 | leachim6 | I run all media acquisition apps in docker nowadays |
| 20:33.41 | teraflops | I remember redhat desktop, when login as root there was a red wallpaper with a bomb in the middle :P |
| 20:33.51 | leachim6 | I orderd the CDs in the mail |
| 20:33.52 | leachim6 | the mail! |
| 20:35.17 | nvz | ive googled the shit out of this and there is no info on what links2 expects in the content type field one can only assume when it says no program for magnet, that magnet is the content type but apparently not |
| 20:35.37 | leachim6 | can't you just register the magnet:// protocol? |
| 20:35.43 | leachim6 | reads manpage on links2 |
| 20:35.47 | nvz | mime types always had more complicated names than that so idk |
| 20:35.54 | teraflops | nvz: not really |
| 20:36.14 | teraflops | idk if links2 will handle them properly though |
| 20:36.25 | nvz | it wad typically foo/bar or something |
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| 20:36.55 | nvz | the links webpage says it has handled it for quite some time and jelly just said it works for him |
| 20:37.05 | th0r | nvz, can't you tell links2 it is a torrent? that should invoke the torrent client |
| 20:37.06 | leachim6 | I know it's possible |
| 20:37.47 | teraflops | nvz: so which app will manage the magnets, transmission daemon or remote-cli? |
| 20:37.59 | nvz | its a royal pita when i need a torrent and i gotta do some rube shit to get it out of links and into transmission-remote |
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| 20:38.15 | nvz | teraflops: transmission-remote -a % |
| 20:38.50 | nvz | teraflops: oddly enough remote-cli is an ncurses interface and remote is the actual cli interface |
| 20:38.52 | teraflops | nvz: create a ~/.local/share/applications/transmission-remote.desktop file |
| 20:39.05 | teraflops | if there isnt already one |
| 20:39.19 | nvz | teraflops: what does that do for me |
| 20:40.10 | nvz | links has an associations system i just dont know what to put in the content type field to get it to match a magnet link |
| 20:40.39 | teraflops | nvz: put http://ix.io/yeV inside |
| 20:40.53 | nvz | huh? |
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| 20:41.29 | nvz | look here lucy, you gots some splainin to do |
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| 20:41.59 | teraflops | then, run xdg-mime default magmatv.desktop x-scheme-handler/magnet |
| 20:42.24 | leachim6 | I wonder when Raspbian is going to switch to Stretch as mainline |
| 20:42.33 | teraflops | nvz: there's no explanation, this is how xdg-mime works :) |
| 20:42.37 | nvz | ok and this url turns magnets into torrent files presumably? |
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| 20:43.57 | teraflops | sorry I pastefailed it's xdg-mime default transmission-remote.desktop x-scheme-handler/magnet |
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| 20:44.10 | leachim6 | you want some grated parmesan with that copypasta? heh |
| 20:44.19 | teraflops | nvz: you just tell the system how to deal with magnet urls |
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| 20:45.35 | teraflops | xdg-mime handles it, when you open a magnet it looks at it's mime database and serach the handles, which is define in the desktop file |
| 20:45.35 | teraflops | its^ |
| 20:45.48 | teraflops | bah sorry for the typos |
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| 20:46.41 | teraflops | nvz: for query a mimetype you type e.g xdg-mime query default x-scheme-handler/magnet |
| 20:47.00 | jelly | nvz: not in links, tho, in chrome. |
| 20:47.06 | nvz | i think youre smokin eggnog |
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| 20:47.12 | MarioMey | Hi, there. |
| 20:47.19 | nvz | jelly: yes my thoughts exactly |
| 20:47.25 | leachim6 | hi MarioMey |
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| 20:47.53 | MarioMey | I want to start using firefox classic, not ESR version. How to do it? From any PPA? |
| 20:47.57 | teraflops | nvz: I told you so, way up in the buffer xdg-mime query filetype |
| 20:47.58 | greycat | What do you mean by "classic"? Some older version? |
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| 20:48.18 | MarioMey | Just "firefox". |
| 20:48.20 | MarioMey | I've installed Debian 9 and it cames with Firefox ESR. |
| 20:48.23 | greycat | You mean "ANTI-classic". Bleeding. New. Full of bugs. Changing all the fucking time. Well, sorry, use upstream then. |
| 20:48.37 | teraflops | nvz: 22:36:14 teraflops ⸠idk if links2 will handle them properly though |
| 20:48.45 | nvz | teraflops: i dont think youre aware of the issue |
| 20:48.49 | teraflops | bah I cannot use the phone, sorry |
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| 20:49.10 | teraflops | the issue is with mimetypes and how to handle them? |
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| 20:49.20 | nvz | links2 handles magnets, it just does it in is own way, using its own associations method |
| 20:49.57 | jelly | greycat: that's just "release". They also have a beta and alpha (nightly) builds that make you bleed more |
| 20:49.57 | teraflops | nvz: then convery magnets to torrent files |
| 20:50.00 | teraflops | convert |
| 20:50.06 | MarioMey | greycat: I use Mate desktop and someone from firefox-esr list told me it was about window manager. |
| 20:50.14 | nvz | my issue is not knowing how it callls ts content types does in call it xscheme/magnet or x-scheme/magnet or foobarbaz:&,agnet |
| 20:50.30 | nvz | i've tried the obvious |
| 20:50.43 | MarioMey | greycat: sorry, I have an issue by using it. |
| 20:50.50 | teraflops | you can convert magnets to torrents |
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| 20:50.58 | MarioMey | It's about moving tabs from window to other window. |
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| 20:51.08 | MarioMey | Alt-Tab doesn't work when dragging a tab. |
| 20:51.16 | nvz | i cant do shit with them in links if it cant match the damn content type |
| 20:51.28 | teraflops | then at least with rtorrent i just out them in a folder and the program takes care of them |
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| 20:51.43 | teraflops | put (/me blames the phone again) |
| 20:51.45 | greycat | if you want to use non-ESR firefox, just download it from http://mozilla.com/ and install it manually. |
| 20:52.00 | MarioMey | greycat: can I have both versions? |
| 20:52.08 | MarioMey | installed |
| 20:52.12 | greycat | Yes. |
| 20:52.12 | nvz | thats the issue, not the backend, not the mime support, its how links defines its content types as it calls them |
| 20:52.20 | MarioMey | Thanks. |
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| 20:52.41 | nvz | pulls out f'n strace and is about to apt-get source links |
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| 20:55.28 | teraflops | nvz: first hit, I think you already read it, https://superuser.com/questions/517773/links-2-7-and-magnet-links |
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| 20:59.02 | nvz | teraflops: yes and as he said x-scheme/magnet does not work, neither does x-schem-handler/magnet, xscheme/magnet, magnet, magnet: or anything else i tried |
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| 20:59.51 | nvz | and the dumb reply doess not tell you what to use. and its a hard thing to google for because "links" and "magnet" are very ambiguous terms |
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| 21:02.26 | nvz | links just calls it "magnet" in the error youd think thats what it expects as the content type |
| 21:02.57 | nvz | i get nothing of use stracing this error |
| 21:03.46 | nvz | doesnt seem to be documented how it names its "content types" |
| 21:04.16 | ryouma | yesterday i ran across the problem that chromium would not launch deluge for torrent files. apparently both .config and .local are used for such purposes. neither is mentioned in the rather obtuse man page for a command that does associations. dunno if links uses that mechanism. in any case, i was neutral on the systemd controversy until yesterday when i found out that the same group of people were responsible f |
| 21:04.16 | ryouma | or both systemd and xdg. :/ |
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| 21:07.48 | nvz | links has a setup>associations thing with label,content type,program the label is arbitray, the program i know, the content type is a mystery.. it handles content in house it doesnt look anywhere but its own config and launches via shell or xdg based on its own internal content type lookup mechanism |
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| 21:08.20 | nvz | you can specify how it does it via shell or x but only after you put a matcher in for the content type |
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| 21:08.44 | nvz | gets the source code |
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| 21:11.40 | armin | ryouma: This conversation has been locked and limited to collaborators. |
| 21:12.31 | ryouma | armin: not sure what you mean? |
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| 21:12.31 | armin | ryouma: that's basically what happens with almost all bug reports against systemd on github. |
| 21:12.38 | armin | ryouma: apart from putting them on "not-a-bug". |
| 21:13.06 | ryouma | armin: ah, i was complaining about xdg |
| 21:14.03 | nvz | heh |
| 21:14.03 | armin | carry on then. :) |
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| 21:15.59 | nvz | its simple enough to use screen to copy/paste hashes from links to transmission-remote but i cant run links2 -g inside screen and links2 -g doesnt play nice with gpm its just all sorts of aggrivating |
| 21:16.46 | nvz | i plan to resolve this and see about getting this documented |
| 21:17.15 | nvz | the source finally downloaded hopefully it offers clues |
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| 21:25.42 | teraflops | nvz: eh works for me |
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| 21:29.23 | ryouma | in jessie, when i do shutdown -r now, it takes a really long time going through "a stop job is waiting for". then it says target shutdown reached and the system does not reboot or shutdown. it just hangs. |
| 21:29.45 | ralpheeee | how long would it take for linux 4.12 to reach unstable / testing ? |
| 21:29.52 | ryouma | (there are notifications after the stop job wating for, and all notifications say ok) |
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| 21:31.43 | lavinho | good night |
| 21:32.13 | lavinho | how to install rtl8188eus |
| 21:32.17 | lavinho | ? |
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| 21:45.08 | somiaj | it might be you X session you are using vs lightdm |
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| 21:57.19 | Jonny135 | Hi there! I looking for a help regarding a 3G modem used with wvdial on a debian computer. in Wvdial I have a error: Modem not responding |
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| 21:57.43 | Jonny135 | I checked and the /dev/ttyUSB0 are present |
| 21:58.29 | Jonny135 | About the config in wvdial, I used a configuration that was working in the past |
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| 21:59.27 | Jonny135 | Anyone has an idea what I could check to narrow the problem? |
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| 22:16.14 | kion | If I hit the program Log, it tels me "unable to read system logs" what should be the normal permits, I have 640 on my log files |
| 22:16.19 | kion | I think the 0 is my problem |
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| 22:17.46 | zoomm10 | Hello, please the command mkfs -t ext4 is different from mount -t ext4? |
| 22:19.16 | mtn | zoomm10, very different |
| 22:19.18 | ozzloy | zoomm10, mkfs will make a filesystem |
| 22:19.18 | Epakai | zoomm10: mkfs creates a filesystem (formats the partition), mount bind the partition to a directory so its files can be accessed |
| 22:20.54 | zoomm10 | why we need to use ext4 in mount command? |
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| 22:21.53 | humbot | you don't usually NEED to specify the filesystem |
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| 22:25.32 | oty | ... |
| 22:25.36 | ozzloy | lol |
| 22:25.46 | ozzloy | wooOOoooOOOooo |
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| 22:26.03 | zoomm10 | thank you mtn, ozzloy, Epakai, humbot |
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| 22:26.06 | teraflops | they will run out of ipv4 addresses eventually |
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| 22:26.38 | teraflops | I still dont get why debian is not +r |
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| 22:26.39 | ozzloy | is there a mod around? |
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| 22:28.23 | ozzloy | MODS!! |
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| 22:28.43 | teraflops | ozzloy: what would they do? |
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| 22:29.08 | ozzloy | start banning? |
| 22:29.19 | ozzloy | oh maybe i suppressed those |
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| 22:31.11 | teraflops | !ops please set +r till the spammers get bored |
| 22:31.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: teraflops complains about: please set +r till the spammers get bored |
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| 22:31.32 | andai | uhh |
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| 22:33.19 | oo_miguel | but it seems to have no effect |
| 22:33.39 | oo_miguel | what am i doing wrong? i am restarting the docker daemon via systemctl restart docker |
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| 22:34.49 | forcerecon | is it normal to have 0% cpu utilization in debian.. 99% of the time.. even when in irc.. nothing on System monitor shows CPU |
| 22:34.49 | forcerecon | nothing.. |
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| 22:36.31 | teraflops | 0% is fine, idk what system monitor is though |
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| 22:36.46 | teraflops | try top or htop to see whether it makes a difference |
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| 22:38.57 | forcerecon | yeah not much... pretty nice |
| 22:38.58 | forcerecon | thanks |
| 22:40.00 | teraflops | forcerecon: that's fine indeed, now run windows and look at the disk IO and cpu usage ^ |
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| 22:40.33 | forcerecon | yeah I know that.. for sure.. |
| 22:40.39 | teraflops | crazy |
| 22:40.57 | bolt | upgrade to stretch went as smooth as can be expected \o/ my fail2ban config is broken, i need to fix my awesomewm rc.lua, and the command lines generated by libvirtd changed enough for my watchdog scripts not to find the vm process, but everything else works. |
| 22:40.59 | forcerecon | I do wish I could test my video card in linux though and at least see gpu temps. just once |
| 22:41.51 | teraflops | forcerecon: depending on the GPU and the drivers you could |
| 22:42.04 | forcerecon | maybe - http://www.geeks3d.com/gputest/ |
| 22:42.36 | teraflops | forcerecon: nah |
| 22:43.16 | teraflops | nvidia blob has utils for that, iirc there's something for intel igpus too |
| 22:43.23 | teraflops | and radeon even |
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| 22:44.16 | teraflops | if you want to make a performance tests there are other tools |
| 22:44.21 | teraflops | test |
| 22:44.27 | forcerecon | GLX-Gears |
| 22:44.43 | forcerecon | yeah I am checking them all out on a search.. thanks for information though.. |
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| 22:44.52 | forcerecon | got me lots of option to search for |
| 22:44.54 | forcerecon | thanks |
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| 22:45.41 | teraflops | glx-gears is not the right tool, there are benchmarking tools for such purposes |
| 22:46.11 | teraflops | glmark2 and things like that |
| 22:46.13 | forcerecon | this looks promixing |
| 22:46.13 | forcerecon | https://benchmark.unigine.com/heaven |
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| 22:47.27 | teraflops | forcerecon: yep |
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| 22:48.20 | teraflops | forcerecon: but what I said way above was about checking gpu temperatures |
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| 22:50.16 | forcerecon | I hear ya.. that will show me performance.. I want temps.. your information above is where I need to be |
| 22:50.18 | forcerecon | thanks |
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| 22:50.43 | teraflops | np |
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| 23:14.05 | cef | with fixed 60fps, you could be almost 1/60th of a second behind what the network traffic is actually giving you, which adds up in games where lag is important, even if you have a low ping. |
| 23:14.26 | jushur | forcerecon: 8GB is mostly reserved for cards aimed at 4K resolution gaming and such. |
| 23:15.45 | jushur | cef: you are correct, tho if the game manufacturer coded properly they will detect you are capped at 60 and have proper adjustment in their gamecode to fit that. |
| 23:16.05 | forcerecon | I just wish my game was ported to linux.. I got steam working on linux but the game is not available to play |
| 23:16.06 | forcerecon | shame |
| 23:16.10 | forcerecon | sniper elite 4 |
| 23:16.12 | forcerecon | bah.. |
| 23:16.17 | forcerecon | thanks for the information everyone |
| 23:16.19 | forcerecon | have a great night |
| 23:16.44 | PhotoJim | missmbob: Maybe I should just install Jessie and do a dist-upgrade instead |
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| 23:17.15 | kneekoo | forcerecon: have you tried installing the Windows version of Steam with Wine? |
| 23:17.41 | jushur | PhotoJim: what exact laptop is it? model and its detailed device nr |
| 23:17.54 | cef | jushur: err how? they'd need to re-render the frame, which unless you can be absolutely sure the frame you pass will render in an exact time, and also fire that render off at exactly the right time, you will never have it. the only way to reliably get it is to just keep rendering as fast as you can and only display the latest when the image is needed. |
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| 23:18.15 | PhotoJim | jushur: HP Pavilion 14-N028CA. quad-core AMD A4, 8 GB RAM. |
| 23:18.56 | nvz | I am able to play audio with mpsyt (youtube commandline client), but pianobar (pandora), and mpg123 or mpg321 all are not working without error what could be the problem? there are two devices one is analog the other is hdmi, i have hdmi set as default pcm in /etc/asound.conf |
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| 23:25.36 | nvz | nm its working now *shrug* |
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| 23:27.03 | jushur | nvz: no virtual service like pulseaudio installed? possibly blocked by some app using the alsa device then. |
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| 23:27.26 | forcerecon | kneekoo: actually not yet... that is a long road in HOPES that it will function properly.. |
| 23:27.32 | forcerecon | I might do that next.. thanks |
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| 23:43.18 | zoomm10 | Hi, please the command: mount /dev/sdb /home i understand, shows the file of "sdb"to "home" dir. The command: mount /home ? |
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| 23:46.07 | Zharf | zoomm10, it's defined in /etc/fstab |
| 23:46.38 | Zharf | man fstab |
| 23:46.45 | zoomm10 | Thank you Zharf... |
| 23:47.06 | zoomm10 | it is clear now....thank you |
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| 23:52.55 | TinkerTiger | Has anyone reported issues with Debian 9 and USB? |
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| 23:54.53 | nvz | I haven't seen this anyone |
| 23:54.57 | TinkerTiger | nods. |
| 23:55.36 | ozzloy | https://pastebin.com/3VJEVUMn trying to do apt-get update, mariadb is failing with NO_NEW_PRIVILEGES not sure what to do. i've been googling and not yet been able to make it work |
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| 23:58.32 | TinkerTiger | Well, I'm going to continue my testing. Also, good luck with MariaDB. I've neve used it. |
| 23:58.51 | ozzloy | i don't really care about it, but it's blocking me from using apt-get now |
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| 23:58.56 | ozzloy | so i can't even apt-get remove it |
| 23:59.22 | ozzloy | i'd be fine with going back to mysql |
| 23:59.27 | nvz | ozzloy: is it third party? |
| 23:59.34 | ozzloy | no |
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| 23:59.50 | TinkerTiger | MariaDB is canon now. |
