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00:16.48jrmuadding compression (ssh -C -X) seems to help
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00:35.12allan_windIs there a better way to install the short lived branch of the nvidia driver than manually?  I know the long range driver is in debian but it frequently fail to start gdm3.
00:35.28allan_windlong lived, I mean
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00:36.07allan_wind(short lived is 381.22)
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00:46.55padonaki have farted so hard and it stinks, wanna sniff?
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00:53.59mrr0buttpadonak r u sure u didn't shit your pants?
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00:55.13nvzI wonder if you can use chkinstall to make a deb out of the upstream nvidia installer
00:55.36nvzdoesnt really sound like a good idea though
00:56.55padonaki have farted so hard and it stinks, wanna sniff?
00:57.21nvzeir: you missed one ^
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00:58.27glickhi folks, question, by defualt how does debian keep track of time?
00:58.42glickesp on my vps
00:58.53nvzglick: using the rtc ?
00:59.04nvzusually with an ntpd as well
00:59.20user2935https://wiki.debian.org/NTP
00:59.59glicki see
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01:12.12glickhi
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01:12.37glickdo i need a firewall if i only have 3 listening services, and mysql is listening for localhost connections only?
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01:25.16glickhello?
01:25.20glickanyone around?
01:25.49LtLglick: if you run sshd, change the default port 22 to something else
01:26.04glicki disabled root login and password login on ssh
01:27.19LtLglick: change the port or watch /var/log/auth.log to get a lot of attempts
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01:30.19LtLglick: if you're behind a router and havent port forwarded then ssh on 22 on the LAN is fine
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01:32.00glickltl wont a simple port scan show what port its running on anyway?
01:32.03glickLtL:
01:32.31glicknah this is a webserver linode LtL
01:33.05LtLglick: if they scan the range it listens on. most wont scan 65,635 ports
01:33.20glickshould i use fail2ban?
01:33.22LtL65535
01:33.39LtLglick: not a bad idea, yes
01:34.04glickfail2ban AND change the default port?
01:34.23Epx998Is it possible to add a complied version of the ixgbe driver to the netboot initrd.gz image?
01:34.27LtLglick: its a good idea
01:34.47glickAND run a firewall AND OSSEC?
01:34.54glicki dont know that all seems like overkill
01:36.50LtLfamous last words
01:37.34sypherglick: It's called defense in depth. Don't rely on a single control to secure the system. Secure in layers.
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01:38.17Eryn_1983_FLhey peeps whats the channel for web coding
01:38.23Eryn_1983_FLi need some js and css help,
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01:38.39ryouma#programming maybe, but there are probably channels for those too i think
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02:03.57__marioxccHello.
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02:05.21guest64432http://sprunge.us/VNNM
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02:05.54__marioxccI want to install Debian from the hard disk. Apparently I have to use these http://ftp.mx.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ files. How can I verify them? What is the procedence of these files (initrd.gz and vmlinuz), how are they generated?
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02:07.04abrotmanguest64432: do you need help with your IRC client?
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02:09.41guest64432just like using the kiwiirc web chat version... do you have another suggestion
02:10.27LtLguest64432: anything BUT kiwi :)
02:11.00guest64432really.. lol.  what's the beef you've got with this delicious fruit
02:11.19abrotmanno need to paste the URL into the channel
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02:12.23guest64432my apologies
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02:28.42singer22msg is being a little bitch
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02:34.55singer22whats going on peeps
02:35.18singer22mst cant stop my nick from connecting wow
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02:44.54singer23MST IS TRYING TO RAPE MY ASS
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02:51.46glickhi, is anyone here somewhat versed in sendmail?
02:51.52glicktrying to send a test email to myself
02:52.05glickusing sendmail -t email@address.com
02:52.16glickwhen i hit enter i just get a blank line with a curser
02:52.22glickand which point i dont know what to do next
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02:52.30glickso i just ctrl-c out of there
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02:53.13BenNZglick: need -m "your message here"
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02:53.48glickBenNZ: so sendmail -t email@address -m "message"?
02:54.35BenNZglick: yep
02:54.42glickstill hangs
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02:54.56glicki get a blank line with a blinking cursor
02:54.58glicki can type
02:55.01glickbut nothing
02:55.03glickno prompt
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02:57.12BenNZglick: are you trying to send locally ?
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03:23.49glickhey after ive update my hosts file how do i make the changes take affect?
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03:38.57glickhey if i change my servers hostname, will that invalidate my ssh no login key?
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03:40.01ned_-why "no login" key ?
03:40.24ned_-just put them root pass
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04:00.08cafuegoglick: No, BUT you may need to re-accept the servers SSH host key, if it's currently stored by the old hostname in your ~/.ssh/known_hosts.
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04:07.14allan_windAnyone figured out to route journal to syslog-ng in stretch?  You used to be able to "disable" journald with Storage=none, and ForwardToSyslog=yes
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04:18.06allan_windI really dislike systemd.
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04:24.17whathappendoes debian have support for tcsh?
04:24.54allan_windyes, tcsh is available on debian
04:25.22whathappenis it possible to make it the default shell
04:25.43allan_windwhat do you mean with default?
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04:26.13whathappeneverytime you start terminal emulator
04:26.41z8zallan_wind: What do you mean with "What do you mean default" ?
04:26.43allan_windyes, see chsh, or you can just modify /etc/paswd
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04:31.17singer23THAT FUCKER MST IS CRAZY AS FUCK HELP!!!
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04:31.22singer23amospalla Amplificator Amun_Ra Anarchic ancky andai Andocromn Andreas33 AndrewMC angor angular_mike_ antgel antismap` AntiSpamMeta Apeiron` ApEtc APexil Aph3x-WL APLU apollo13 apollojustice apt arawack ArchDuke Archrover ariador Arilotan Aristar_ Aristide Arkaniad_ ArlequInOut armin Arrowmaster Arroyo1010 Artemis3 Artox ashka Asoka at0m AtheroS__ Atlas atomi Attoy awdfew3roi awhitlock8 AxForest axujen azg azizLIGHT b30wulf babilen ballessay
04:31.22singer23Baltazar bananadev banging_ barteks2x basso Baudelaire bauerj BaW bcd bdeferme beaky BeamWatcher beardo beardy Ben64 benaiah BenderRodriguez benf benj_ benster Bercik berndj bertbob beuker bezaban bfit bgamari bgardner bhuddah bhuvi_ bibiirc_ bier BiGBOi bigjazzsound bigpresh binaryc bins bionix bipolar bismilah bitch Bl4ckC0r3 Bl4ckC0re blackest_mamba BlackPanx blacksyke blackwell Blanco blazeme8 blitzed blue blueness bluszcz bobe bobvador
04:31.22singer23bodeezl bogus- bois bollo bolt Bonn333 borsin boser BotaniCar boubou boxrick1 bpsecret- bradjones BrainWork breitenj brian_ brian|lfs brolin_empey brouette bruce549 brunus Bryanstein bub_ Buumi bwf BWMerlin bytesquid bzed c0 ca_buf Cabanossi cadeskywalker cafuego Canucktux_ CapsAdmin Captainfixerpc14 Carno cateye catsup Cavedude cbdev CBF16888 cbmuser CeBe Ceber cef Celelibi celyr CEnnis91 ceptor cerbere cerebro Cerise_ cha18 chachasmooth
04:31.22singer23chalcedony ChanServ chaology Chaosmaster Char0n cheapie chen cherti chillax chownsauce ChrisH CHRiSNEW chrissl churnd cinis Cipher45_ Cisien civillian ckuehl Cl0udN9ne cliluw clopez clorophormo_ Clouder cmam CME cmichel cnu- codebam codebam- CodingWithClass colo-work Colti colttt Commander1024 CompWizrd Comstock Conino_ conspacer cooldude Cork coruja_ Countess_Bathory crash_ crayon craysiii CrazyEddy CrazyyMaxx croddy Croepha cronic cryptic
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04:31.53singer23that mother fucker
04:31.54singer23msg
04:31.57singer23mst
04:32.12allan_windhmm... what's the deal?
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04:32.24singer23THAT BITCH MST IS TRYING TO RAPE ME!!!!
04:32.29Canucktux_NORMIES GET OUT
04:32.31singer23help
04:32.35singer23HELP
04:32.38singer23!!!!!
04:32.38dpkg"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
04:32.49singer23THAT FUCKERS IS TRYING TO RAPE MY HOLE
04:32.51singer23MST
04:33.04Rusty1_!ops singer needs help
04:33.05dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: rusty1_ complains about: singer needs help
04:33.11singer23THAT FAGGOT INCOMPETENT OP CANT DO FUCKING SHIT
04:33.13singer23MST
04:33.16singer23WHAT A LOSER BITCH
04:33.23singer23IM STILL HERE MOTHER FUCKERS
04:33.26singer23BAAHAHA
04:33.46singer23INCOMPETENT FUCKING OPS
04:33.50singer23!OPS
04:33.50dpkgPlease invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem.  Misuse of this will lead to a ban.  Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
04:33.57singer23GET YOUR ASSES UP BITCHES
04:34.00singer23!ops
04:34.00dpkgPlease invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem.  Misuse of this will lead to a ban.  Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
04:34.08singer23!ops wake up bitches
04:34.08dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: singer23 complains about: wake up bitches
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04:34.18z8zxD
04:34.20singer23!ops mother fuckers wake your damn ass up
04:34.21dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: singer23 complains about: mother fuckers wake your damn ass up
04:34.45glicklol
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04:34.47singer23im back fags
04:34.53whathappeninst tor banned by freenode
04:34.56singer23!ops where the fuck are the ops lazy asses
04:34.57dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: singer23 complains about: where the fuck are the ops lazy asses
04:34.59glicklol
04:35.14singer23!ops these worthless faggots
04:35.14dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: singer23 complains about: these worthless faggots
04:35.31singer23!ops not a damn op awake what a fucking shame
04:35.31dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: singer23 complains about: not a damn op awake what a fucking shame
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04:36.02singer23CAN WE TALK BITCHES??
04:36.09singer23CAN WE TALK BITCHES???
04:36.17singer23WHATS GOING ON TODAY FAGGOTS
04:36.20singer23HOW WAS YOUR 4TH
04:36.36singer23!ops ops still fucking hung over from the 4th stupid ass drunks
04:36.37dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: singer23 complains about: ops still fucking hung over from the 4th stupid ass drunks
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04:37.43singer23HOW LONG HAS MST BEEN SUCH A GAY LITTLE TWINK??
04:37.47singer23!OPS
04:37.47dpkgPlease invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem.  Misuse of this will lead to a ban.  Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
04:37.50singer23!ops
04:37.50dpkgPlease invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem.  Misuse of this will lead to a ban.  Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
04:38.01singer23!ops GET THE FUCK UP
04:38.01dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: singer23 complains about: GET THE FUCK UP
04:38.24singer23bitch stop pinging me thedcoder
04:38.33singer23i c you cunt
04:38.35singer23pinging me
04:38.42singer23bitch that shit flood
04:38.46singer23rofl
04:38.58singer23you got a lot to learn about flooding faggot
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04:39.37singer23WHY EVEN HAVE OPS ON A CHANNEL..FAGGOT MST CAN EVEN FUCKING KLINE RIGTH
04:39.38z8zrofl
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04:40.02singer23FUCKING IRCOPS DONT EVEN KNOW HOW TO KLINE
04:40.07singer23ROFL
04:40.17singer23MST LEARN TO KLINE PROPERLY BITCH
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04:40.29singer23!ops where the fuck are you faggots
04:40.29dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: singer23 complains about: where the fuck are you faggots
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04:41.20singer23WTF
04:41.21singer23ROFL
04:41.24z8z<3  singer23
04:41.31singer23LOOK AT THESE FAGGOTS THAT CANT KLINE
04:41.47singer23WORTHLESS FAG IRCOPS
04:42.05craysiiiIs that you terry?
04:42.11singer23I DEMAN AN OP RIGHT FUCKING NOW
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04:43.33singer23IM FLYING DOROTHY...IM FLYING DOROTHY
04:43.46glickok this was amusing for a little while
04:43.48glicknow its bed time
04:43.49glicknight
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04:44.47craysiiiquitting irc in 2017 lol
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04:51.59brian|lfsdid someone ask me a question today?
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04:52.18brian|lfsI keep seeing green on my screen but don't see the question
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04:55.10Tsutsukakushidetaching the last tmux session on buster seems to kill the tmux server
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04:55.20Tsutsukakushithis is quite annoying
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04:57.52elkybrian|lfs: probably no there's been nickspam
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05:03.42ned_-singer23 your host's packet loss
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05:05.51cornelhello
05:06.07cornelyesterday i started to install debian 9
05:06.16cornelTODAY IT'S STILL AT THE POPULARITY CONTEST
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05:06.23cornelsorry for the caps
05:06.33cornelhow can i find out what is wrong here?
05:07.39Canucktux_cornel: like you can't click past?
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05:07.57singer23!ops wake up bitches
05:07.57dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: singer23 complains about: wake up bitches
05:08.12cornelCanucktux_, nowhere to click
05:08.23Canucktux_hmmm
05:08.29cornelCanucktux_, the select and install software looks like it;s in progress
05:08.39cornelaround 15% maybe completed
05:08.44Canucktux_do you have internet?
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05:08.55Canucktux_try hardwiring it
05:08.56cornelthe text says Preparing popularity contest (amd64)
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05:09.17cornelgoogle.com replies to ping
05:09.23cornelCanucktux_, ^
05:09.36Canucktux_weiiird
05:09.43cornelgraphical installer, by the way
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05:11.02corneljust so you know, something close to this happened when i've installed ubuntu 16.04 server on this machine: i started one day, the next day was still doing something, but that gave sign of life and eventually completed
05:11.10cornelnot booted but that's another story
05:11.24cornelCanucktux_, ^
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05:11.49cornelfedora and centos however, don't show this problem
05:11.59corneland also windows 10
05:12.04Canucktux_strange
05:12.05cornelno problem
05:12.26Canucktux_maybe run memtest and other tests to see if it's a HW issue
05:12.33cornelok
05:12.37cornelthank you
05:13.45Canucktux_is this the net install or the LiveCD?
05:13.49cornelbefore taht: processor it's a 3rd gen i7
05:13.52cornelnet install
05:14.07cornelmotherboard is gigabyte
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05:14.35corneland the whole system feels a little unstable. sometimes it's just locking and has to be reset
05:14.48cornelso maybe it's n ot a software bug at all
05:14.57cornelon to the hardware testing :/
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05:22.30Canucktux_good luck cornel
05:23.08cornelthank you Canucktux_
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05:26.48cornelone question though: i know there was an update to the original media
05:26.56cornelhowever this one says 9.0.0
05:27.03cornelthe update was not for netinstall?
05:27.20cornelor there was no update at all? :)
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05:36.09Canucktux_cornel: I know the live CD was having some issues
05:36.43cornelok
05:36.50cornelthank you
05:38.06Canucktux_I also see 9.0.0 on https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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06:17.55joe03Hi, how can I disable auto assemble of md devices on boot in Debian 9?
06:20.11jmcnaughtjoe03: add raid=noautodetect to the kernel boot parameters. https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/mdadm/md.4.en.html
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06:23.14allan_windwhy would you want to do that?  just curious
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06:27.04joe03jmcnaught: thanks for that hint but it still starts the md devices in auto-read-only mode. /proc/cmdline tells that it started with raid=noautodetect.
06:30.34joe03allan_wind: it is a virtual fileserver in a productive system that should start its md devices from a custom script only.
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06:31.36allan_windcould you just no mount the file system?  i.e. fstab noauto
06:31.51allan_winds/no /not/
06:33.26joe03allan_wind: mounting is not the issue. mdadm should not start the md126 device.
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06:37.23joe03I already tried everything I could find on google: boot param, AUTO-=all in mdadm.conf, disabled mdadm init scripts ... but the md device is still been assembled during boot. Maybe systemd is causing this issue?
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06:38.00allan_windIs auto assembled stored in the device, i.e. the --auto=no option?
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06:39.04jmcnaughtjoe03: what's the deal with the custom script? maybe you could solve whatever the script is the solution for differently, with x-systemd.requires= in fstab for example; systemd.mount(5)
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06:39.15allan_windnah, doesn't make sense, disregard that
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06:43.18joe03The custom script assembles the md devices, checks if another files accesses the vmdks and then starts all the services on the filer nfs, samba, and some others. It fails because the md device is already assembled (ro) and has a wrong name.
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06:43.42joe03*filer accesses ....
06:47.19allan_windjoe3: did you see the part about <ignore> in mdadm.conf?
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06:50.12joe03allan_wind: no I didn't. I'll try
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06:57.19joe03allan_wind: tried "ARRAY /dev/md* <ignore>", "ARRAY /dev/md126 <ignore>" and  "ARRAY fs-kl1:123 <ignore>"-> still being assembled.
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06:59.06deeganI got an issue with drbd version since upgrading Proxmox from 4.4 to 5.0, which is running on stretch rather than jessie. Could use some help figuring out how to get the same package that was on jessie in to stretch, because the version is newer but the api version seems to be lower. https://pastebin.ca/3839472 and https://pastebin.ca/3839474
07:00.01allan_windjoe03: I think <ignore> has to be 2nd word
07:00.01deeganIf anyone has some experience with this it would mean a lot to get some pointers. Because the only thing not running is drbd right now, and it seems to be because of either api mismatch or just the configuration file that needs to change. But seeing as it runs on one of two nodes i'm reluctant to changing the configuration file.
07:00.43deeganIt's a two node cluster, with one virtual for quorum, and the upgraded node is the one with the problems.
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07:05.48allan_windjoe03: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1574691 has an example, btw
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07:12.26allan_windjoe03: also, you said you tried AUTO-=all.  Do you mean AUTO -all
07:14.11allan_wind?
07:14.13joe03allan_wind: I tried both versions now without luck ...
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07:14.49allan_windjoe03: sorry, been a while since I played with md, just reading man pages to see if I could help you
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07:16.17joe03allan_wind: thanks for your help. It is just annoying that all the documented options do not work at all ...
07:16.41allan_windmaybe take look at the src?
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07:18.22joe03I don't know. It'll take a lot of time.
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07:23.51joe03allan_wind: I also tried to modify the 64-md-raid-assembly.rules without success.
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07:55.25fastHello, where do i find the gpg key ids i need to import for stretch?
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07:58.31babilenfast: You should only require a recent installation of the debian-archive-keyring package (depends on what you are trying to do though)
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08:00.08fastbabilen: trying to sync my mirror with stretch
08:00.17lpancescui also saw a warning about some gpg key at the 'apt-get update' phase of jessie->stretch, but dist-upgrade seems to work without me doing anything about gpg keys
08:00.35babilenfast: Which tool do you use and on what platform is your mirror running?
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08:00.42fastjessie
08:01.40babilenfast: We've upgraded our mirror to stretch and it syncs wonderfully now. If you don't want to do that you can probably just grab a recent debian-archive-keyring package and point your tool at the keyring within
08:01.47babilen(but that wouldn't get upgraded)
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08:13.27fastbabilen: Thanks, I've found the key and imported it manually ;)
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08:22.27satbyyDoes debian operate a PGP keyserver ? Like Ubuntu has for example (keyserver.ubuntu.com)
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08:26.40satbyyfast: I think that's only for Debian contributors
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08:28.44satbyyUbuntu's is general-purpose. For example, is somehow sync'ed with other servers like pgp.mit.edu etc
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09:18.51hexhaxtronHi! I want to provide SSH Accounts, Email Accounts and Web Hosting to people. Should I install Debian and use it on bare metal or should I install Debian and then KVM and then Debian again?
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09:20.09mertif you have groups then second one is better
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09:20.22mertlets say workgroup and friends etc
09:20.33hexhaxtronI don't have groups.
09:21.21Iridoshow do you like "it depends" for an answer?  ^^
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09:22.41mertbasically if you have one domain, no need for kvm, if more than one domain/ip vm way better
09:23.36mertbtw how many physical interfaces you have for networking, how many external ip addresses can u register
09:23.39bezabanif a commercial venture then vms or containers would scale/work better
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09:34.02Aebiancan some one guide me? Whats the best way to search for packages. for e.g. searching for per libraries. Should I check a debian website or use a command for it?
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09:45.21Aebiansatbyy: I already done that but I'm a bit confused what package is the real one I need
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09:46.14Aebianso general I'm not sure how to refine the search
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09:48.39boltAebian: if you specified what you need, people might be able to help you search for that
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09:49.09boltAebian: we don't know what you're looking for, other than that it's some library related to, or implemented in, perl
09:49.50humbotuse the grep
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09:49.59Aebianwell I want perl support for my irssi build so I need perl libraries but I'm not sure which are the right one. I have perl installed /usr/bin/perl but thats not the librarie
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10:25.44ewan_swhen I run "ip a" I see 3: wlp6s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group default qlen 1000
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10:26.23ewan_sIf I run " sudo ifup wlp6s0" I get "ifup: unknown interface wlp6s0"
10:26.32BluesKaj'Morning folks
10:26.40Aebianfor some reason my terminal is not autoupdating. If I do for e.g. open a file in vimn and at the end of the line press O to get one empty line below in insert mode I need to ;wq and then reopen to file to see the change. Whats wrong?
10:27.23ewan_sI'm tring to use wicd to attache to wifi, but can't get the nic to come up
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10:31.47BluesKajewan_s,  run ip a to find the correct wifi assigned name
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10:32.23Aebianah was the tcp keep alive setting in the terminal. fixed it
10:33.12BluesKajyou might have one letter/number wrong, ewan_s
10:35.11ewan_sBluesKaj: 3: wlp6s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group default qlen 1000
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10:35.43ewan_s(1 is lo, 2 is enp8s8)
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10:36.06BluesKajwhy wicd. what's wron??g with network manager ?
10:36.30BluesKajoopws, scuse the typos
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10:37.46ewan_sBluesKaj I'm using XFCE as my desktop and the Wiki said wicd was a better bet.  Would you try nm?
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10:38.46BluesKajewan_s,  isn't NM default on XFCE?
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10:40.05BluesKajI use NM on my Lenovo G500 laptop, works fine, but I'm on KDE/plasama, ewan_s
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10:40.47ewan_sBluesKaj - I was going off
10:40.58ewan_shttps://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
10:41.27ewan_sI guess I'll give it a try with NM
10:42.18ewan_sI had it working with Gnome and Jessie on the same box before I made the mistake of a distro hop
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10:44.56BluesKajewan_s,  network-manager-gnome
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10:47.16ewan_sBlueKaj - thanks.  Let you know how it goes.
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10:48.02BluesKajew ok
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11:30.56pvdpHi, I'm trying to install debian stretch on a 12-disk RAID6 array with LVM. Installer works fine. But booting with GRUB won't work.
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11:31.56pvdpWhat is the correct way of getting GRUB to work ok with RAID6?
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11:36.04AebianI don't get the manual of stty and also google is not that helpful. My goal is to remove that the 'Pause/Break' Button sends ^Z when pressed. Any idea how? I tried 'stty -susp' but thats not working
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11:41.21sypherpvdp: RAID6 using a hardware raid controller, or mdadm?
11:41.38pvdpmdadm
11:41.51sypherpvdp: Where are you installing GRUB?
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11:43.19pvdpI partitioned the 12 disks in 2 partitions of equal size each. 1 set is used for /boot only and the other set for root. So I end up with 2 raid arrays of 12 each
11:44.01sypherpvdp: Stretch doesn't need a separate /boot, so you know, so that's additional complexity you don't need. Second, where did you install GRUB?
11:44.32pvdpOk, didn't know that. I installed it on the 1st disk of the array
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11:44.44sypherpvdp: How large is each disk?
11:45.07pvdp1TB each, partitioned in 100M for /boot and rest for root
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11:46.25sypherpvdp: And when you say GRUB doesn't work, what exactly is happening?
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11:46.54pvdpOnce it reboots (RAID6+LVM) it just can't find the disk
11:47.20pvdpIt shows some disk uuid and that's it.
11:47.25sypherI'm looking for specific messages.
11:47.46sypherSo take a picture of the display or something, and post it.
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11:48.09pvdpOk, will do. I'll get back to you. Thx sypher
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11:50.01sypherpvdp: I'm not seeing anything obviously "wrong" in your setup, which is why i need to see what you're getting.
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11:51.52pvdpYes, that's what I thought as well. Just wondering if I'm trying to do something that's not possible using the installer or if I'm to do something post installation to get it working.
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11:53.03pvdpConfused is the word. Documentation on RAID+LVM installations is scarce + out-dated in most cases.
11:53.06sypherpvdp: I've built multiple systems using $thatSameSetup and they all worked fine.
11:54.10sypherpvdp: If I might suggest a simplification: Reinstall the system using a single partition on each disk, RAID them all together, use that RAID array as an LVM PV, build your stuff. When it asks where to install GRUB, select the "other disk" option, and enter every single disk in the array, space separated. "/dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc ..." etc.
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11:54.37sypherpvdp: All on one line. That will allow your system to boot from -any- disk in the array, not just one.
11:55.22sypherpvdp: Which filesystem are you using?
11:55.24pvdpI see....I think that's the bit of crucial information I am looking for.
11:55.32pvdpext4
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11:57.32pvdpOk, I'm going to give that a try. 1 array is cleaner to manage.
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11:59.23sypherpvdp: What is this system being used for, anyway/
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12:03.43msiismif a piece of software is to be included into the debian packagining system, but does not provide signed digest files for the original source, how does debian deal with that? is it at all a concern?
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12:16.59pvdpsypher, using system mainly as backup / archive storage
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12:22.09cornelCanucktux_, tried again and seems to be working. windows memory diagnostics found nothing wrong
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12:24.53jellypvdp, are you using raid1 for /boot or some other level
12:25.10pvdpraid6
12:25.25jellyI don't think grub understands that.
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12:25.29jellyuse raid1.
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12:27.10pvdpsypher: any thoughts on the comment jelly just made?
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12:28.48jellyif you use raid1 with metadata format 0.9 or 1.0 you can also use grub-legacy, with 0.9 even lilo if need be
12:29.22jellybest ask #grub actually supported options
12:29.40pvdpjelly: My understanding was that with grub2 a lot of these limitations where removed
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12:56.07TehRabbitthey, noticing i'm getting S/MIME encryption errors when using sendmail from Debian EXIM.  Seems to only be an issue on Gmail though.
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12:56.16TehRabbittanyone know how to fix this so it doesn't keep showing a warning?
12:56.37TehRabbitt(I am sending via a smarthost, being my exchange environment which is using TLS)
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12:57.30sypherpvdp: I'm testing it now to see if I can reproduce any issues.
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13:01.00sypherpvdp: No issues. Boots perfectly.
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13:01.14sypherjelly: GRUB2 has been able to boot off of RAID5/6/10 since Jessie, I believe.
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13:08.14Ange7hello all
13:08.33Ange7someone can explain me why i can't write on my virtual machin in shared folder with KVM/QEMU on Debian ?
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13:18.51MikeWorthHi people, I've just tried to update all my packages and run into an error: "N: Ignoring file '50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist' in directory '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
13:18.51MikeWorthE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
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13:20.15MikeWorthI was initially asked if I wanted to keep my old modified config for unnattended-upgrades or overwrite it with a new one; I chose to keep the modified one (no idea what I've changed) but perhaps just accepting the new one might fix things. the problem is that I don't get the option any more, apt-get just fails with this error no matter what I try to do
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13:26.02petn-randallMikeWorth: The first one is a harmless notice, and not related to the error you get. Can you paste the full output to http://paste.debian.net please?
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13:28.11MikeWorthhttp://paste.debian.net/975321/
13:29.32petn-randall!bat
13:29.32dpkgIn order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy".  Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information.  Also ask me about <localized errors>.
13:29.48petn-randallMikeWorth: Oh, can you also provide the other things above? ^^^
13:29.57petn-randall2+3 that is.
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13:30.13MikeWorthcommand was "sudo apt-get upgrade > /tmp/upgrade_error"
13:30.36MikeWorthmike@mike:~$ apt-cache policy unattended-upgrades
13:30.37MikeWorthunattended-upgrades:
13:30.37MikeWorth<PROTECTED>
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13:31.33MikeWorthhttp://paste.debian.net/975324/
13:32.28MikeWorthhttp://paste.debian.net/975325/
13:32.34petn-randallthanks
13:35.09petn-randallMikeWorth: It looks like you didn't completely upgrade to stretch. The reason apt is failing is because it can't (re)start the unattended-upgrades service. You can check that with 'service status unattended-upgrades'.
13:36.47BluesKajwhat if he removed unattended upgrades altogether ?
13:37.20MikeWorthyeah, looks like its throwing an error on "invalid argument"
13:37.26BluesKajI don't have it installed because it'
13:37.37BluesKajs pita
13:38.03MikeWorthI don't know what it is or why it's installed tbh - it's an install from years ago that has been upgraded a few times over the years
13:38.20BluesKajconstantly running after bootup and using up cpu
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13:39.23BluesKajI just update/upgrade everyday, so no need for it afaik
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13:40.35MikeWorthso is it worth trying apt-get purge to get rid of it then if all goes to plan I can either re-install with default settings or not bother afterwards?
13:41.29BluesKajMikeWorth, I haven't noticed any ill effects from removing it
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13:42.38MikeWorthhmm, apt-get seems to be too broken to do that
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13:43.08BluesKajyeah you might have tpurge it o get rid of a bad config file iff you intend to reinstall it
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13:44.03MikeWorthI tried "sudo apt-get purge unattended-upgrades" to no avail
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13:47.33BluesKajpetn-randall, what if hee removes or purges apt with dpkg, then reinstalls apt with dpkg, would that work ?
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13:51.14BluesKajseems drastic, but it looks like your only option, MikeWorth
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13:52.46BluesKajMikeWorth, think purging apt with dpkg is the only way out of this
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13:55.40BluesKajhMikeWorth, I'd ask the question in google to see if there are any proper mehtods or procedures to do this
13:56.18MikeWorthwhat about trying to purge unattended-upgrades with dpkg? I'm only familiar with purging via apt-get so maybe that could work?
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13:58.56BluesKajyeah MikeWorth it's worth a try, but if apt config files are broken then it may not make much difference
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14:00.48BluesKajMikeWorth, sudo dpkg -P unattended-upgrades
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14:08.59jelly,v unattended-upgrades
14:09.00juddPackage: unattended-upgrades on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.79.5+wheezy2; wheezy-security: 0.79.5+wheezy2; jessie-security: 0.83.3.2+deb8u1; jessie: 0.83.3.2+deb8u1; stretch: 0.93.1+nmu1; sid: 0.93.1+nmu1; buster: 0.93.1+nmu1
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14:12.47scararHas anyone have issues with Debian 9 (Stretch)?
14:13.04mr__teascarar: what kind of issues?
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14:13.13mr__teawith me the issue is mainly between the chair and the keyboard :)
14:13.22scararUpgrading from Deban 8
14:13.27scararDebian*
14:14.36scararSometimes directories can't be read.
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14:15.46scararFor example tor can't make the hidden service directory. Tried to set the chmod still nothing. I'm hoping I find some How-Tos on this issue.
14:16.03scarar#flood
14:16.07MikeWorthSuccess! Followed the advice here https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/369561/unattended-upgrades-failing and managed to purge it once it was masked. thanks BluesKaj and petn-randall
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14:17.49BluesKajMikeWorth, cool, so apt-get is working now?
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14:18.53scararIt seems the .conf files are in different areas than in Deb. 9.
14:19.10MikeWorthyeah, although there are 737 packages not being upgraded because of muddled dependencies; possibly been like that a while (system has been a bit ignored for the last couple of years...)
14:19.52scararMaybe I'll wait few months and see if their are fixes.
14:20.13scararRight now using Deb. 8.
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14:23.24BluesKajMikeWorth, some users still like aptitude on debian, it also uses dpkg as all package managers do
14:24.32abrotmanI don't know that it does, but I'd have to do more research
14:24.35BluesKajiirc, it's not advisable to mix aptitude and apt-get/apt use them exclusively
14:25.15abrotmanjudd: info libapt-pkg4.12
14:25.16juddNo package named 'libapt-pkg4.12' was found in stretch/amd64.
14:25.24abrotmanBluesKaj: please stop, that's not true
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14:25.51abrotmanjudd: info libapt-pkg5.0
14:25.52juddPackage libapt-pkg5.0 (libs, important) in stretch/amd64: package management runtime library. Version: 1.4.6; Size: 894.2k; Installed: 3055k
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14:27.18BluesKajabrotman, I see, but i do recall being advised that very thing in Kubuntu, altho it was years ago
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14:28.12blamanhttps://archive.debian.net/ is dead, is there a mirror/alternative?
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14:35.58k_szeIf I understand correctly, the intel-microcode update will actually fix the Skylake/Kaby Lake HT bug on the CPU itself so that HT starts working correctly again on all OSs, right?
14:37.26k_szeand the fix would continue to be effective even if I install the CPU on another motherboard (assuming the absence of other hardware bugs).
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14:37.43__marioxccHello.
14:37.44__marioxccWhat is the procedence of the hd-media initrd.gz and vmlinuz <http://ftp.mx.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/>? How can I verify (authenticate) them? Where is the source code?
14:37.45abrotmanBluesKaj: doesn't mean you need to pass it along a) years ago b) different distro
14:38.08abrotmanblaman: for which part of that?
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14:38.24abrotmanblaman: archive.debian.org ?
14:39.06BluesKajabrotman, was being cautious, that's all , didn't mean any harm
14:40.01blamanabrotman: there used to be packages for e.g. squeeze in there
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14:57.56trigcodeanyone familiar with SteamOS?
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14:58.07trigcodebased on Debian 8
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14:59.39jelly!steamos
14:59.39dpkgSteamOS is an operating system released by Valve as a gaming platform, based on Debian 7 "Wheezy".  It is not supported in #debian, support is available in #steamOS on irc.freenode.net or at http://support.steampowered.com/ .  See <based on debian>.
15:00.02trigcodesorry, that channel is terrible though
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15:06.44edddhey, very dumb question. But I cannot find answer online. What are the packages ending with *-dev ?
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15:08.11txeddd, packages that usually contain the headers / code required to compile software
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15:08.35txheaders for a libraries interface, I should say.
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15:10.36edddtx: ok, so -dev packages are only required when I plan to compile stuff myself? Or if I code that depends on some *.so, -dev might have it?
15:10.44edddI have code*
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15:14.34__marioxcceddd: I think the -dev packages are only required if you want to compile.
15:14.49__marioxccThe .so and .a are in the "lib..." (without "-dev" at the end).
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15:18.27__marioxccHello.
15:18.40__marioxccHow do LXDE and XFCE compare? Both aim to be lightweight desktop environments.
15:18.49__marioxccWhat are the meaningful differences?
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15:19.44MrSelfDestructLook mostly, at least in my opinion. Slightly different features too
15:20.00edddthanks __marioxcc and tx.
15:20.37__marioxccMrSelfDestruct: what features?
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15:24.35BluesKaj!aptitude
15:24.35dpkgit has been said that aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude").  Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude or http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9.
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15:33.24abrotmanblaman: you mean snapshot.debian.org ?
15:33.26abrotmanor .net
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15:35.25alipoor90How I can have an active webpage as my desktop background?
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15:39.42greycatI upgraded my NFS server jessie->stretch and now my poor HP-UX box can't mount file systems from it correctly. :(
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15:40.06koollmanmy first guess would be nfs version change
15:40.13koollman(from 3 to 4)
15:40.32greycatSo I tried rsync-ing one of the critical NFS shares to a squeeze box, tried manually mounting it onto HP-UX from squeeze, and it *still* isn't working right.  I'm just stumped.
15:40.48koollmangreycat: any error messages ?
15:42.01greycatNFS server shows "authenticated mount request from ..." and it mounts manually, but then the client can't see any files below the first level of subdirectories.  I am pretty much ready to just throw the HP-UX box in the scrap heap.
15:42.17MrSelfDestruct__marioxcc, I can't say for certain. I know there are some feature differences like the panels are different.
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15:43.40greycatMeanwhile battling everything else that broke.  "What do you mean I need a new ntp.conf?"
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15:44.51greycatStretch ntp.conf requires some new magic line to use "pool" directives, or else it just goes into an infinite "Soliciting pool server ..." loop.
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15:47.07greycatWell, guess I need to move my email infrastructure over here to Debian next.
15:47.36__marioxccMrSelfDestruct: Ok.
15:48.08__marioxccgreycat: Use chrony.
15:48.23greycatNot feeling like another major change right this moment.
15:49.09__marioxccgreycat: So are you saying that you upgraded and a lot of things broke?
15:49.59greycatMy entire 15 year long desktop infrastructure (mostly email) has been on that HP-UX box.  And now it can't run mutt.  Or bash.  Or anything else that I compiled with the gcc that lives on the NFS server that it can't *correctly* access now.
15:50.54__marioxccWhy was your "desktop infrastructure" so complex?
15:51.18greycatJUst stop.  Please.   Just let me do things.
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15:51.23__marioxccDon't you have everything regarding e-mail in ~/.thunderbird?
15:51.32greycatNow you are just trolling.
15:52.28__marioxccNo. That is how I do it.
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15:52.52__marioxcc:|
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15:53.31greycatLocal mail delivery INTO my ~/Maildir/ ON the HP-UX box.  Reading with mutt.
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15:53.57__marioxccOk.
15:54.13__marioxccWhat is the benefit of such a complex setup? It's a serious question.
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15:55.57greycatIt's the opposite of complex.  It's simple.  It's how everything was always done.
15:56.40__marioxccYes, I know, but the components are separate (mail delivery separate from reading). Now mail clients with everything integrated is more common.
15:56.53__marioxccI think it's better because there are less things that can fail when components are tightly integrated.
15:57.00greycatI have to get the email over here.  Please.  Just LET ME WORK.
15:57.26__marioxccUgh, sorry. I did not know that I was disturbing you.
15:57.37__marioxccGood luck.
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16:01.09Canucktux_cornel: so it installed‽
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16:07.43john_ramboI want to create a zip file. When I right click on the folder and click "create archive" I get >> Failed to create archive. No suitable archive manager found.
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16:08.11john_ramboWhich package should I install ?
16:08.26spacebug^apt-get install zip
16:08.29spacebug^i think
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16:09.22john_rambospacebug^, Installed but same thing
16:09.59spacebug^john_rambo: I have zip, unzip, bzip2, gzip and p7zip installed
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16:11.04spacebug^john_rambo: what archive option do you choose ?
16:11.15john_rambospacebug^, There must be a package for the archive manager gui
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16:11.50spacebug^john_rambo: you don't even the the window with option to choose archive format?
16:12.05spacebug^what DE are you on btw.. I asumed GNOME, sorry about htat
16:12.05john_rambospacebug^, Yes
16:12.17john_rambospacebug^, XFCE
16:12.20spacebug^ah ok
16:12.53spacebug^then it's probalby another matter. Don't know then, sorry.
16:12.58john_ramboOkay
16:13.34spacebug^john_rambo: https://packages.debian.org/testing/xfce/thunar-archive-plugin
16:13.34spacebug^could that be it?
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16:13.57spacebug^but for stretch of course..
16:13.57john_rambospacebug^, Found it its called "file-roller"
16:14.00spacebug^ah ok
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16:14.48spacebug^john_rambo: hum, file-roller seems to be a archive for GNOME..
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16:14.57spacebug^but maybe XFCE uses that.. not sure
16:15.01oerheksjohwhere exactly do you want to make a zip? outside your home folder?
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16:15.37john_ramboInside my home folder
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16:27.55edjuRunning Jessie and network-manager-gnome.  I cannot connect wireless.  I click on my SSID and nothing happens.  If I click on some neighbor's - not pwd protected - I get a connection.  Any tips?
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16:31.37duryhi there channel :-)
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16:32.06Canucktux_welcome dury !
16:32.11duryjeeessuuus can't add keying for spotify
16:32.23durykeyring sorry
16:32.45durysays add your text ... that's new for me
16:32.52duryhow can
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16:33.59duryhow spotify in stretch then
16:34.22durycan someone drive me please?
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16:44.57LtLdury: i just logged in to spotify, no issues.
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17:00.52duryLtl, how did you do that?
17:02.00duryLtl, how did you install on stretch,? jeeesuuuuss
17:02.43LtLdury: i use the free version, it works with my browser and my phone (firefox). you dont install anything, maybe if you use premium, then i couldn't say.
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17:03.46LtLdury: correction, i did install the app on my phone.
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17:04.14eimishow do i do 'checkinstall -j4' as in 'make -j4'?
17:04.17duryLtl, what about on stretch
17:04.47LtLdury: i am on stretch, it has nothing to do with stretch.
17:05.58duryLtl, well tell me the procedure to install in debian stretch, then
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17:06.23LtLdury: i did not install anything on stretch
17:06.27Epx998Is there a how-to on adding an updated kernel to a netboot initrd.gz image?  I seem to be doing it incorrectly.
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17:07.20duryLtl, just through the browser then?
17:07.20__marioxccEpx998: The kernel is vmlinuz. initrd.gz is the contents that are mounted at a ram filesystem at /
17:07.32__marioxccAlso, ask in #debian-boot in OFTC.
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17:08.49Epx998__marioxcc: I've found documents on updating the initrd.gz, but nothing covers the vmlinuz that i've found.
17:08.57LtLdury: ok, it seems you need to install their client, but i'm not going to do that. i'll just use my phone
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17:10.13__marioxccEpx998: Well, then you have to figure how to do that, because vmlinuz is the kernel.
17:10.13duryLtl, all right mate, which phone do u use? iphone, android ...
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17:10.24LtLdury: iphone
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17:10.31__marioxccAsk in #debianb-boot in OFTC.
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17:12.39duryI've got problems after adding keyring, that's => gpg: Go ahead and type your message ..
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17:13.28duryin spotify
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17:13.50LtLdury: you are typing something wrong, that message is for writing a encrypted message
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17:14.21duryis there an explanation how to do in stretch
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17:15.20LtLdury: in a terminal type 'gpg --list-keys' do you see the key you were try to import
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17:15.46duryLtl, ok one sec
17:16.07LtLdury: it may be on root's keyring, so be root
17:16.08eimis$ export MAKEFLAGS="-j4"; checkinstall #uses 4 cpu cores....
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17:19.08LtLdury: the 'adv' option is a bad idea according to the man page for apt-key, i don't know why they ask you to use it.
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17:20.54LtLdury: the key is valid though, i checked
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17:22.00duryLtl, ok, tell me the steps to follow, steady, steady please
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17:22.22duryLtl, first?
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17:23.26LtLdury: exactly as it says, https://www.spotify.com/us/download/linux/
17:24.02duryLtl, default key in gpg.conf = 621CC013
17:24.12LtLdury: if you are outside the USA then bets are off
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17:24.57duryI'm outside usa ltl
17:25.21LtLdury: that is not spotify's key
17:26.06LtLdury: stay away from gpg.conf
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17:26.21duryLtl, apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys BBEBDCB318AD50EC6865090613B00F1FD2C19886
17:26.39LtLdury: http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x13B00F1FD2C19886
17:27.12LtLdury: that is the key lookup, its good but its likely USA only for listening
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17:27.33duryLtl, so what should I type in terminal then
17:28.13LtLdury: why bother, i highly doubt they stream outside the US
17:28.44LtLdury: and its says what to type if you insist.
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17:30.03LtLdury: you need sudo in front of that command also.
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17:30.48duryLtl, I'm as root right now
17:31.07LtLdury: dury then skip sudo
17:31.25duryLtl, ok, done
17:31.59LtLdury: third party repo's are wicked dangerous, you are on your own
17:32.28duryLtl, yeap
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17:34.21duryLtl, so no way to install spotify in stretch though
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17:34.36duryLtl, or what?
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17:34.51LtLdury: it *might* work, i can't say
17:34.57duryLtl, did in Jessie
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17:35.22LtLdury: again, i doubt they stream outside the US., end of story. try it
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17:37.08LtLdury: to be clear, i cant stream from my browser, thought i could but no, and i'm not installing the client, good luck.
17:37.32jellycodeCan anyone tell me how "Dir::Etc::sourcelist" works in the following:  sudo apt-get update -o Dir::Etc::sourcelist="sources.list.d/myrepo.list" \
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17:38.33jellycodenot familiar with the :: syntax
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17:42.14warp0x00how do i get an old package version
17:43.11Canucktux_warp0x00: what package?
17:43.38Epx998aha progress
17:43.42warp0x00linux-image-4.9.0 but before -1
17:44.01Epx998just stole vmlinuz from an server with the kernel i want on my netboot deploy
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17:54.19braingainany recommendation on an rss reader
17:55.33braingainwhere can i get an alarm on version updates like stretch?
17:55.53warp0x00i found it on snapshot archive
17:55.56kabouturrss-> liferea? if you like ncurses
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18:00.15th0rafter upgrading to Debian9 I lost the xfce4-mixer panel applet. Synaptic says it is no longer available. Short of compiling from source, is there a way for me to regain the xfce4 volume control?
18:00.53braingainwarp0x00 great way! kaboutur yes good choices i was thinking of a client-server infrastructure so i stay synced on all devices
18:00.53braingaindont read same twice
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18:01.44durywhere is main menu in stretch
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18:01.47braingainth0r: get the .deb see if it fits?
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18:01.59duryor it has another name
18:02.12duryhttps://www.howtogeek.com/105828/add-and-edit-main-menu-items-in-linux-mint-12/
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18:03.20th0rbraingain: xfce4-mixer is not in the repos, and it doesn't show up in a search of packages.debian.org. Do you know of another source for the .deb?
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18:05.27durymain menu items in stretch where is it or it changed or what
18:06.24braingainth0r: packages.debian.org/jessie/xfce4-mixer
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18:06.44braingainno version bump without minor consequences
18:07.23duryjessuss
18:07.28LtLdury: depends on your DE i assume, in gnome hover over the top left corner of the desktop or press the 'win' key
18:07.29Canucktux_th0r: also xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
18:08.13th0rCanucktux_: I removed pulse. I would bet the same whizbang who decided systemd was a good idea decided to force pulse down our throats.
18:08.19duryLtl, it's not that though
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18:09.23braingainth0r https://devuan.org
18:09.47th0rbraingain: I am just giving devuan a bit more time to settle before i make the move.
18:10.10LtLdury: did you install the client? type 'whereis spotify-client' or whereis spotify in a shell and execute with a '&' to background it.
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18:10.30warp0x00oh boy this is going to be a heck of a bug report
18:11.11th0rbraingain: just tried to dpkg the jessie deb. It failed with a number of package version errors, which may not have hurt. But the mixer doesn't  get configured and doesn't show up in the panel settings
18:12.01braingainthen you can wait for stable to be stabler for you, build it yourself or switch to devuan :)
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18:13.04th0rbraingain: I am in the process of fetching the source. It is unfortunate. I have run debian for about 25 years. I run it so upgrades will not make things I depend on fail (xfce4-mixer) or replace them with bleeding edge crap (systemd/pulse)
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18:13.27greycatDebian has not existed for 25 years.
18:13.42duryLtl, after typing whereis spotify-client says spotify-client: that's all
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18:15.04duryLtl, execute with what?
18:15.04LtLdury: type the complete path, append with a space and '&' it should launch
18:15.04LtLdury: no path?
18:15.04duryLtl, tell  me the exact command please
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18:15.24LtLdury: its a ubuntu package, so... cant really help you
18:15.32th0rgreycat: funny, I was running it when I got laid off in 2001. guess that is only 16-17, give or take
18:15.35greycatThe first post-1.x release was in 1996, so 21 years.
18:15.54sypherdury: It might be more helpful for you to research "how to run tasks in the background on Linux" rather than asking for an isolated and specific answer.
18:16.19LtLdury: spotify-client &  and smash enter.
18:17.10warp0x00how do i report a bug with multiple source packages involved
18:17.37sopwerdnaso, i'm trying to troubleshoot a wifi driver
18:17.43duryLtl, sypher did that guys  got this [1] 10705 not as root
18:17.46sopwerdnai have a new laptop with an atheros card
18:17.46FinalXheh, poettering. if you have a unit-file with a User=xxx and xxx isn't an existing user, the application is run as root instead.
18:17.52FinalXand he just closed the bug report :p
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18:18.20sopwerdnaFinalX: seriously?!
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18:18.36sopwerdnathat's why once i get wifi working i'm gonna replace systemd with openrc if i can figure it out lol
18:18.42LtLdury: are you root? you should not be
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18:18.51greycat!sysvinit stretch
18:18.57greycat!stretch sysvinit
18:18.58dpkgTo replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again.
18:19.23greycatI've not yet seen a cofirmed working recipe for openrc.
18:19.23duryLtl, not root friend, I'm sure
18:19.33sopwerdnawait greycat is it really that simple? i was under the impression it was a lot more complicated
18:19.46durysmash that under not root though
18:19.48sopwerdnaoh you just mean sysvinit
18:20.00LtLdury: ubuntu package, not supported here friend.
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18:20.03greycatThe factoid shows how to choose either sysvinit or runit.
18:20.16FinalXsopwerdna: yeah, not kidding lol
18:20.26duryLtl, nevermind though
18:20.30sopwerdnaif i install sysvinit-core what takes over for all the other weird stuff systemd was handling
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18:20.38duryI don't care though
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18:21.02durydebian is great absolutely
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18:21.35snkcldi noticed that the debian installkernel script uses /etc/kernel/postinst.d, how do i get it to also use /usr/lib/kernel/ for the the postinst.d directory?
18:22.08duryeven with that I care about debian for sure
18:23.00FinalXsopwerdna: it's a bit more nuanced, I suppose, see https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/05/linux_systemd_grants_root_to_invalid_user_accounts/
18:23.10FinalXjust create a unit file with User=0day and it runs as root :P
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18:23.28duryLtl, what about Skype
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18:24.15LtLdury: i don't do skype, you could try google
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18:24.39duryLtl, I mean Install in stretch
18:25.05LtLdury: https://wiki.debian.org/skype
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18:25.16duryIt's got keyring problems as well, though
18:25.29greycatIf it's not on the wiki page, we probably don't know either.
18:25.38greycatsee also /msg dpkg skype
18:25.38sopwerdnai just don't see how something ending up as root that wasn't supposed to be root isn't a major drop-everything kind of bug
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18:27.23LtLdury: do you have gnupg installed? not sure if it matters but probably does.
18:29.08duryafter install skype through downloading their .deb package. if you do apt update there is a line concerning skype though
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18:29.28duryno public key
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18:30.00LtLdury: skype is a .deb you just sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb
18:30.44duryLtl, you can also do that as root too
18:31.35LtLdury: dont worry about that warning, expect it and yes you need root to dpkg -i *anything.deb
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18:33.19duryLtl, I like clean lines on terminal without warnings, see?
18:33.55LtLdury: i could be wrong, stretch has changed many things but i don't recall reading about it in apt-listchanges
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18:33.55LtLdury: yes i see
18:33.58greycatIf you like clean things, you wouldn't be using skype.
18:34.33LtLnods
18:34.38LtLor spotify
18:35.02duryhahaha haha good on ya guys
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18:35.38duryI've removed Skype
18:36.06duryin jessie it worked
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18:36.22durynevermind in stretch though
18:38.02duryI'm happy that in stretch my graphic card driver works, though
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18:41.49duryLtl, greycat, thanks indeed for helping me, really appreciate it
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18:50.02tharkunhmmm, the naming convention for nics has changed. How do I know which nic is my wireless card?
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18:51.07Canucktux_tharkun: try running "sudo iwconfig"
18:51.33mtnif it starts with a w, it is wifi
18:51.33Canucktux_^^
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18:52.19warp0x00debian bug system process my email faster
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18:53.06greycatThe human responses will be even slower than the automated part of the BTS, so be patient.
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18:55.11bigredradioI plan to install stretch soon, but for someone who has already, is dracut installed by default?
18:55.19tharkunCanucktux_: Thanks iwconfig did the trick :)
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18:55.36greycatdracut is priority optional, so... no
18:55.52bigredradiogreycat, thanks
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19:00.32sopwerdnacan anybody help me find a piece of firmware for a wifi card? it's an atheros qca6174, dmesg has errors about not being able to find two binary firmware blobs named pre-cal-pci* and pre-cal*, neither of those files were anywhere in the firmware-atheros package in the nonfree repository
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19:00.53greycat,file pre-cal-pci
19:00.53juddNo packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
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19:01.45greycatIf you have the exact file name, you can probably search google for it.
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19:02.14sopwerdnai do, all i've found is lots of people saying they're getting the same errors in dmesg, but their cards work and mine doesn't seem to
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19:07.55greycatCan you get the PCI ID from lspci -nn?
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19:10.43sopwerdnagreycat: the relevant line is "02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter [168c:003e] (rev 32)"
19:10.46sopwerdnai'm not sure which of those is the pci id honestly
19:10.49greycat,pciid 168c:003e
19:10.50judd[168c:003e] is 'QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:003e
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19:12.02sopwerdnahm, does that mean it's not supported at all? or just that that website doesn't know about it?
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19:14.16greycatI found an ubuntu post about it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/1520343
19:14.30greycatI have *no* idea whether that would apply to Debian
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19:15.38sopwerdnaah thank you! i'll see what i can get out of that
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19:16.48durygreycat, can you?
19:16.48duryassist me, please
19:16.58greycatOnly if you ask a question, and then only if I have an answer for that particular question.
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19:17.26durywant to startup xscreensaver when I switch on the computer
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19:17.51duryis installed already
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19:18.54greycatYou mean when you login, right?  Not literally when you turn on power?
19:19.07duryin tweak can add application but can't find
19:19.30greycatOh, you are asking some Desktop Environment thing.  I can't help with that.
19:19.31duryyeah when I login
19:19.44duryall right
19:19.50greycatOutside of DE rubbish, I would add the command you want to run (with & if it doesn't self-background) to ~/.xsessionrc
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19:22.00mentorDoes anyone have any clue regarding how to set up softhsm2 for opendnssec?
19:22.57sealsnipersopwerdna: jessie or stretch ?
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19:24.07rawfthis is killing me. theres a 4 second delay for a TTY to activate, does anyone know why?
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19:25.01greycatWhat release of Debian, what DE/WM are you using if any, what kind of TTY are you trying to activate, what command do you run, or what keystroke combo do you press?
19:25.32rawfgreycat: this is new in Debian Stretch. I'm trying to login to a stock TTY
19:25.47greycatConsole only, X not installed?  You press Ctrl-Alt-F2 and then what?
19:25.53rawfcorrect
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19:26.01rawf1: login; 2: exit; 3: wait for 4 seconds before can login again
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19:26.14greycatI have X installed, run fvwm, and Ctrl-Alt-F2 (F3 etc.) is instantaneous.
19:26.31sopwerdnaoh sealsniper this is stretch
19:26.50greycatOh, not Ctrl-Alt-F2.  You're saying it's a delay at logout.
19:26.58mentorrawf, You mean, it takes 4 seconds for the getty to respawn or otherwise?
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19:26.58rawfmentor: yes!
19:26.58rawfit is killing me
19:27.12greycatWell...  I don't have a logout delay either.
19:27.26sealsnipersopwerdna: try lspci -k
19:27.27greycatDid put something in ~/.bash_logout by chance?
19:27.49rawfhrm. its the getty respawn time in debian stretch i386
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19:28.10greycatHow do you know that?  How do you know it's not a shell command being executed at logout?
19:28.31rawfthis is a fresh install of debian stretch
19:28.38rawfits been happening ever since my first login
19:28.55greycat"And I ran cat ~/.bash_logout and it said ____"
19:29.04mentorrawf, Is agetty the getty being spawned?
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19:29.37rawfgreycat: file doesn't exist
19:29.38sopwerdnasealsniper: it says kernel driver in use is ath10k_pci
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19:29.38rawfmentor: yes
19:30.19sopwerdnasealsniper it almost sounds like it's working except that there's nothing in /dev and nothings there when i ip link show
19:32.03sealsnipersopwerdna: the revision number seems to be 3.2, which is not listed in the supported devices pages of firmware-atheros package
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19:33.15sealsnipersupported devices page
19:33.17sealsniper**
19:33.29mentorrawf, Well, agetty has a delay option, but I'm not seeing it enabled by default
19:33.39greycatrawf: anything interesting in  sudo journalctl | grep -i getty  ?
19:33.53mentorrawf, My other guess would timing out localhost dns requests
19:34.01mentorrawf, No further clue
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19:35.37rawfgreycat: getty is being stopped/started on the same second, so the delay seems to be during the startup
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19:36.17sealsnipersopwerdna: i'm not sure
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19:37.34mentorrawf, Definitely not the getty shutting down?
19:37.38sopwerdnayeah, only 3.0... could be i'm just out of luck
19:38.12sealsnipersopwerdna: the ubuntu bug report seems to refer to the same device you are using
19:38.29sopwerdnayeah
19:39.07rawfmentor: correct, the following lines show up as soon as I logout
19:39.19mentorOK
19:39.31rawfhttps://pastebin.com/BghzgiVR
19:39.34sopwerdnai mean in the bug report it says it's working with firmware-4 from the hw3.0 folder
19:39.41sopwerdnai think that's what i have
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19:41.07sealsnipersopwerdna: could you show that dmesg line ?:
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19:43.23sopwerdnasealsniper: ok so, i'm not gonna type the whole thing out because i can't copy paste but the message is "direct firmware load for ath10k/pre-cal-pci-0000:02:00.0.bin failed" and then it says it's error -2 in the next line
19:43.59sopwerdnaand then it has the exact same message for "cal-pci"
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19:51.52sealsniperhave you tried to steps described in the ubuntu  page ?
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19:54.03sopwerdnasealsniper: i think i've pretty much done everything described on the page. the only difference is that i got it from the debian nonfree repository on a flash drive
19:54.12sopwerdnanow that i'm thinking about it, maybe that kvalo git repo is different... i'm going to try deleting what i have and replacing it with the files from kvalo
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19:55.22sealsniperit could be newer
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19:58.43sopwerdnasealsniper, do u know what it would be called in /dev if it was working? i think there are a few more entries in /dev than there were last time i checked
19:58.43sopwerdnai don't see a wlan0 but i recall seeing some other name used for the wifi card in a few places
19:59.14sealsniperuse ip link
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19:59.25sopwerdnaoh yeah
19:59.32sopwerdnanope, nothing. just loopback
19:59.56sealsnipereven after reboot ?
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20:01.09sopwerdnaoh no lemme reboot
20:01.10sopwerdnai reloaded ath10k
20:01.56sopwerdnayup after a reboot still just loopback
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20:04.11sopwerdnait's an m.2 2230 card according to qualcomm's website, i'm just gonna start looking for a replacement... intel ones have good drivers right?
20:05.08sealsniperi think you should fill a bug report
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20:06.53sealsniperand try to stick to wireless n devices
20:07.02kionis there such a thing as a debian lxde iso image?
20:07.10kionI just cant find it on the downloads page
20:08.33pie3is it possible to create two parallel sessions in linux? i want to turn on and off wifi for testing and at the same time i also dont want to loose my internet connectivty; how it is possible?
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20:09.44|DM|I've got a weird issue when I try to run startx on two different ttys with the same user
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20:10.24|DM|it shows a blacks screen, then throws an error saying 'could not aquire name on session bus`
20:10.39|DM|there seems to be some sort of solution found on arch forums, but the link is dead
20:10.48|DM|and I can't figure out how to solve this, or even what's causing it
20:10.52|DM|cinnamon desktop
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20:19.15lpancescupie3, you could use both wifi and a LAN cable at the same time
20:20.18xcinHi everyone can someone help me because I have a potential linux emergency maybe
20:20.24xcin<PROTECTED>
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20:21.11xcinI was a dumbass and filled my home partition all the way and everything broke and I tried to reboot and got weird SATA bus errors and then went into recovery mode and deleted some shit to make space and now the computer boots but still with weird SATA errors and I have no idea what's going on
20:21.24xcinI have full disk encryption so is the best course of action just to shut the fucker down and immediately image it to a new hdd
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20:22.54pie3i dont have lan lpancescu
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20:24.34lpancescuthen, if you turn wifi off, your internet connection will go away. an external wifi dongle or lan card (e.g. usb ones) might be an option
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20:27.10lpancescuxcin, maybe a cable got loose or another hardware issue? how full a disk is should have no effect on SATA communication
20:27.49xcinthis is a laptop so I am uh, really sketch
20:27.56xcinhttp://phoeni.city/sundries/fuckingthing.txt
20:28.07xcinthis is the output for smartctl -a /dev/sda
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20:28.24msiismthe boot menu of debian installation cds usually has not included an option to directly abort/reboot/boot from the first hdd. has that changed with debian stretch? if not, are there plans to include such an option. i think it's very useful, especially for cases where you booted the installer accidentally.
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20:30.00lpancescu. there are no errors in your log. but then i've yet to see a case when smart could actually detect problems ahead of time...
20:30.10lpancescuxcin ^
20:30.31xcinlpancescu, ty
20:30.48xcinon the advice of some sages i have elected to COPY EVERYTHING TO EXTERNAL MEDIA RIGHT WAYS THE HELL NOW
20:30.58xcinand then uh shut down and try to image the drive
20:31.40lpancescui would try to shut it down, give it time to cool down and try to boot again
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20:32.58lpancescuxcin, the idea is to perform regular backups - all the time, not when you already have problems accessing the disk. hardware sometimes dies unexpectedly
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20:39.12negatratoronhey, i'm having some difficulty sending emails from my PC...
20:39.38greycatWhat MTA?  Do local deliveries work?
20:40.02negatratorongit send-email says "Result: OK" but there is no test email in my inbox
20:40.12negatratoronLocal deliveries do not appear to work.
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20:40.32greycatIf you took the defaults, you probably have exim4.  Try dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
20:41.44sealsnipersopwerdna: I don't think there are network interfaces in /dev
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20:41.56sealsnipersopwerdna: sorry for the late answer.
20:43.07xcini'm finding some bizarre stuff
20:43.09xcinJul  7 16:05:17 petrov kernel: [    2.173052] ata1.00: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x1e000000 SErr 0x280100 action 0x6 frozen
20:43.09xcinJul  7 16:05:17 petrov kernel: [    2.173103] ata1.00: irq_stat 0x08000000, interface fatal error
20:43.09xcinJul  7 16:05:17 petrov kernel: [    2.173136] ata1: SError: { UnrecovData 10B8B BadCRC }
20:43.09xcinJul  7 16:05:17 petrov kernel: [    2.173166] ata1.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
20:43.09xcinJul  7 16:05:17 petrov kernel: [    2.173198] ata1.00: cmd 60/80:c8:80:00:00/01:00:00:00:00/40 tag 25 ncq 196608 in
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20:43.23negatratoronit used to work from my gentoo system... it seems very complicated
20:43.23xcinoops
20:43.41greycatSounds like a dying hard disk at first glance.  Looks?  Sounds.  Looks.
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20:44.08negatratoroni'm on a network but not an internet site, i want to use git send-email to send patches
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20:45.13greycatYou probably have a "smart host" (relay) that you use to send outgoing mail.  Perhaps provided by your ISP, or your employer, or some random Internet site.
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20:47.26lpancescuxcin, i agree, your harddisk is probably failing
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20:48.10twxcin: I'd check smart. If smart says you're not getting many errors, check your cabling and your sata controller, maybe switch ports.
20:48.11xcinic
20:48.35twsmart doesn't rule out hdd failure, it just tries to report on it.
20:48.39xcintw: here's the output from smart http://phoeni.city/sundries/fuckingthing.txt
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20:50.06xcinI don't get it because this is a less than one year old SSD
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20:53.45twWith no read or write errors detected, I'd definitely check your cabling to see if that helps. But you should automate your backups anyway.
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20:57.11lpancescutw, "Given the lack of occurrence of predictive SMART signals on a large fraction of failed drives, it is un-likely that an accurate predictive failure model can be built based on these signals alone"
20:57.26lpancescu^ https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en//archive/disk_failures.pdf
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21:02.55CrowX-How can I backup a lvm to a .raw file?
21:03.06CrowX-is dd if=/dev/pve/vm-whatever of=file.raw going to work?
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21:04.19greycatIf that's an LV, then it should be just as valid as dd'ing a raw disk partition.
21:05.10CrowX-thanks
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21:07.42CrowX-greycat, just to clarify, what you said means my command example will work, correct?
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21:07.57greycatI don't know what you plan to *do* with the resulting file.
21:08.04CrowX-i.e. in the future I'll be able to dd that raw file into an image and it should work, correct?
21:08.20CrowX-I want to dd it back into a lvm after I reinstall the whole system
21:08.22greycatIf the place you copy it to is another disk partition of LV of appropriate size, sure.
21:08.28greycats/of/or/
21:08.56greycatI don't know why you're doing it at the raw level instead of the file level, though.
21:08.57CrowX-yes, it will be a lvm of appropriate size.
21:09.16CrowX-greycat, cause there's windows on it :)
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21:10.26mintJust upgraded xorg in Debian Sid and how X cannot write to /tmp.
21:10.51greycatfix the perms on /tmp.  should be 1777
21:10.55greycatls -ld /tmp
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21:11.54vltCrowX-: If you want to create a "raw" file of an lvm volume that is in use (by a file system, for example) you can take an lvm snapshot and then dd from that to your target file.
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21:13.04mint$ ls -ld ./tmp
21:13.04mintdrwxrwxrwt 7 root root 40960 Jul  7 21:03 ./tmp
21:13.16mintThat is what I get from /tmp
21:13.18greycatwhy did you run it on ./tmp instead of /tmp
21:13.28mintI'm on live usb.
21:13.48greycatOf MiNT, yeah?  Hence your user name?  Then go to a MiNT channel.
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21:13.53greycat!mint
21:13.53dpkgLinux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian.  Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support.  Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available.  See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
21:14.05greycator however you capitalize it nowadays
21:14.20mintMy OS is Debian Sid, I'm using Mint to chat.
21:14.44mintI use the mint terminal to get to debian /tmp
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21:14.53greycatWell, you need to check the perms of /tmp in the place where /tmp is not writable, not in your Mint live CD.
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21:15.04greycatAnd /tmp != ./tmp
21:15.46mint./tmp means tmp in the current directory.
21:15.56greycatYes, which is different from /tmp
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21:18.35edjuRunning Jessie and network-manager-gnome.  I cannot connect to wireless.  I click on my SSID and nothing happens.  If I click on some neighbor's - not pwd protected - I get a connection.  Any tips?
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21:27.13monoSo, I checked permissions on /tmp
21:27.15monodrwxrwxrwt 10 root root 40960 Jul  7 16:20 /tmp
21:27.32monoIt was the same before and after chmod 1777
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21:28.31monoIs there a way to downgrade xorg with apt cache?
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21:30.43pie3what should be log ind etails for vbox os?
21:31.23metaxno, once you upgraded you are gone
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21:33.36monoxsession-errors says no space left on device, so it's probably not xorg that's my problem.
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21:35.14teraflopsmono: what are you trying to do and why are you doing it in a live usb?
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21:38.24monoI am using the liveusb so I can check the internet for solutions.
21:38.48monoX won't start because it seems installing a new kernel took up much more space than intended for some reason.
21:39.04negatratoronstrange stuff, turns out postfix wasn't actually running (even though /etc/init.d/postfix start said [ OK ])
21:39.06monoin /usr/lib/debug
21:39.36negatratoron<PROTECTED>
21:39.38teraflopsmono: internet for solutions for what?
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21:39.54negatratoronso i rebooted, and all my test emails subsequently landed in my inbox :)
21:39.58negressWe need to impeach donald trump
21:40.16negresshis people took me off of welfare because i wont get a job  but i tried to get a job
21:40.29negatratoronno offense but email systems are great at saying OK when there's actually a problem
21:40.29negressnobody wants to hire me when im on crack
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21:40.32teraflopsnegress: keep on topic or go away
21:40.42bub_haha..
21:40.49monoAfter logging in the dekstop fails to show and I get a mesage saying X cannot write to /tmp. xsession-errors says no more space left on device. Baobab tells me /usr/lib/debug is full of something from a recent kernel.
21:40.50bub_debian and welfare.. good luck
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21:41.23negatratoronnow, i'm never going to touch this email configuration again
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21:43.37monoI installed kernel 4.12 because it has the drivers I need. Maybe the Torvalds tarball has debug stuff turned on.
21:44.44teraflopsmono: if you run out of space using a live cd, go grab more ram
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21:45.19monoI am only using the live USB to access the internet and try to find a solution. The problem is with my Debian Sid installation.
21:45.29monoWhich is on my SSD.
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21:46.16teraflopsmono: the problem is with the live cd too, or so it seems
21:47.15monoThe livecd hasn't run out of space or refused to show the desktop. This is the Mint livecd. Are you referring to livecd bug reports?
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21:48.54monoThe ld -ld output I pasted earlier was from inside Debian, not from livecd.
21:49.00monols -ld
21:49.06teraflopsmono: are you asking for support for a mint live cd here?
21:49.11monoNo.
21:49.22monoI don't know what is confusing you.
21:49.31teraflopsall of it
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21:49.52monoI'm asking for help with a Debian problem, uae of the Mint live usb is just incidental.
21:50.04teraflopsok
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21:53.08monoSo, xsession-errors says no space left on device, hence X no write to /tmp
21:53.24monoSeem straightforward that I need to remove something to free up space.
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21:58.37mtnmono, boot your debian install and run df -h in a terminal. that will tell you if your partitions are full or not
21:58.59monoOkay, thanks.
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22:03.05monoAlso, for some reason directory sizes only get reported in kB in the file browser.
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22:03.59monoSo I had 24GB in a folder and didn't know because it got reported as a few kB.
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22:07.26jellymono, use du to figure out which directory makes up most space, eg. du -hx /mount/point | sort -h | tail
22:08.49Canucktux_does anyone have any idea when thunderbird 52< are going to be in  backports?
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22:09.06Canucktux_I'm having this bug and can't log into any of my Gmails https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1359297#c32
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22:10.57jelly,v icedove
22:10.58juddPackage: icedove on amd64 -- wheezy: 38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 1:45.6.0-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 1:45.6.0-2~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; buster: 1:45.8.0-3; sid: 1:45.8.0-3; stretch: 1:45.8.0-3; sid: 1:52.2.1-3; sid: 1:52.2.1-4
22:11.06jelly,v thunderbird
22:11.07juddPackage: thunderbird on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; stretch: 1:45.8.0-3; buster: 1:45.8.0-3; sid: 1:52.2.1-4
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22:13.14Canucktux_well atleast it's in sid
22:13.32Canucktux_I don't think I have sid enabled, only experimental
22:13.42jellyand you shouldn't
22:13.46Canucktux_true
22:13.52Canucktux_,v mpv
22:13.53juddPackage: mpv on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.2-2; stretch: 0.23.0-2+b2; sid: 0.25.0-3+b3; buster: 0.25.0-3+b3; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.8.3-dmo1; stretch-multimedia: 1:0.25.0-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 1:0.25.0-dmo3; buster-multimedia: 1:0.25.0-dmo3
22:14.26Canucktux_oh hey stretch has .25 now, I can move everything to stable
22:14.37jellysince 52.x is the only version supported by upstream anyway, it's possible you're going to get a proper build for debian 9 anyway
22:14.53Canucktux_yay
22:15.05jellyjust like firefox
22:15.18Canucktux_rough idea when?
22:15.29Canucktux_https://mozilla.debian.net/ is pretty dry
22:16.49Canucktux_weird that one of my 3 gmails still happily connects
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22:17.36haosi have a trouble with lxc-2.0.8.1
22:17.42haosthis is log: https://pastebin.com/k0CDRSg9
22:17.47haosmy default config is https://pastebin.com/P5RKUYKX
22:17.54haosis this bug, or my mistake?
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22:20.50blawizis there some package to make virtual machines in debian stretch?
22:21.53nkuttlerblawiz: several. what's your use case?
22:22.31blawiznkuttler: want to try out openbsd
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22:24.33nkuttlerblawiz: not sure.. virtualbox perhaps, if there are guest tools for the bsds
22:25.24teraflopsnkuttler: virtualbox is not in stretch iirc
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22:26.46blawizi dont see it here either
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22:27.22haosblawiz: did you try kvm?
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22:28.40blawizhaos: no, what is it?
22:28.42MarioMeyHi, there. I'm trying to sudo apt update and it says on "Des:40 http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian stretch-proposed-updates/main Translation-en 2017-07-03-0815.58.pdiff [470 B]" for hours.
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22:28.51MarioMeyHow to solve it?
22:28.54teraflopsplain qemu/kvm is fine, if you want GUI there's virt-manager. gnome boxes does KVM too
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22:31.09MarioMey*stays
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22:32.36in1t3r_MarioMey, check the network connectivity reconnect your wifi or dhco and try pinging the server.
22:32.51Canucktux_yeah, gnome-boxes is fine for just dicking around
22:33.06in1t3r_YOu might want to use a particular mirror because you end up in a screw with a cdn round-robin transfer
22:33.19MarioMeyIt did this this morning (now it's evening) and I had to reconnect some times during the day...
22:33.22in1t3r_I mean you might hit a mirror which was down at that moment
22:33.23MarioMeyin1t3r_: ^
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22:33.39francineCan I replace systemd with something else in stretch?
22:33.40MarioMeyin1t3r_: how to ping it?
22:33.55in1t3r_Just change the mirrors for some other mirror not a mirrors because mirros is a http redirector
22:34.02in1t3r_like a http.debian.net
22:34.05MarioMeyJust ping http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian ?
22:34.09nkuttler!tell francine about remove systemd
22:34.16MarioMeyin1t3r_: ping: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian: Fallo temporal en la resolución del nombre
22:34.25in1t3r_ping mirrors.kernel.org should give you the smae mirror based on your location
22:34.34in1t3r_no you dont ping http
22:34.43francine"To use an init system other than systemd in jessie". I asked for stretch.
22:34.44in1t3r_ping mirrors.kernel.org
22:34.50MarioMeyDoing it
22:35.05in1t3r_which address it returns resolve to?
22:35.08in1t3r_Which IP
22:35.30nkuttlerfrancine: yeah, so try what it suggests..
22:35.30jellyfrancine, those recipes work in stretch as well
22:36.31MarioMeyin1t3r_: 64 bytes from mirrors.kernel.org (149.20.37.36): icmp_seq=100 ttl=51 time=302 ms
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22:37.16in1t3r_its a hell of a big ping value for a mirror
22:37.55in1t3r_MarioMey, I don;t know why you are not using debian mirrors that are closer to your country?
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22:38.43MarioMeyI'm new on Debian (I came from Ubuntu). I added sources from this page: https://pulpolibre.wordpress.com/2016/12/02/sources-list%E2%80%8E-debian-9-stretch-actualizados/
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22:39.06MarioMeyOh, it's a Guatemala site...
22:39.24MarioMeyin1t3r_: where should I get local mirrors?
22:39.24in1t3r_MarioMey, use this guide https://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror.en.html
22:39.50jelly!mirror list
22:39.50dpkgThe best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <httpredir.debian.org>, <debian mirror checker>.  To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <ftpsync>, <mirror size>.  #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net.
22:40.14in1t3r_MarioMey, this is a list of the official mirrors primary and secondary https://www.debian.org/mirror/list
22:40.43qu1nn-1been an owncloud user on opensuse for years.  i typically set it and forget it (as long as it works, so I dont really tinker).  I need to update OS (and I want to get on track with Nextcloud) and am thinking of going to doing debian... anyone here use nextcloud? any major issues?
22:40.47in1t3r_you could use a netselect-apt for it too or just choose one from your country
22:40.52jellythere's a few in .ar it seems
22:41.15in1t3r_MarioMey, you are from?
22:41.27in1t3r_hey jelly :)
22:41.29MarioMeyin1t3r_: Argentina.
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22:42.41in1t3r_This from primary list el salvador http://ftp.sv.debian.org/debian/
22:42.53in1t3r_or better this two from argentina debian.unnoba.edu.ar  mirrors.dcarsat.com.ar
22:43.16MarioMeyOk, now... how should I add this mirrors?
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22:44.05in1t3r_open up a nano /etc/apt/sources.list and change mirrors.kernel.org to the mirrors.dcarsat.com.ar
22:44.08teraflopsto be honest, being picky with mirror location is not big deal. it helps a bit being closer but being closer does not guarantee better download speeds at all
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22:45.51MarioMeyteraflops: I understand, thanks.
22:45.53in1t3r_or just use this deb http://http.debian.net/debian in your source list and you will have a debian redirector redirect you to the cdn instance.
22:46.34jellydeb.debian.org is preferred to http.debian.net
22:46.50MarioMeyin1t3r_:   "Fallo temporal al resolver «mirrors.dcarsat.org»"...
22:46.51MarioMey:/
22:47.07MarioMeyI have to be with my daughter... see you later.
22:47.13MarioMeyShe has fever...
22:48.07jellyMarioMey, you missed .ar in "mirrors.dcarsat.com.ar"
22:48.08in1t3r_ok post on paste.debian.net your sources.list and I'll give you proper format.
22:48.28jellyand there's no .org either, huh
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22:52.50in1t3r_MarioMey, if your sources.list have original mirrors.kernel.org you could just run as root sed -i 's/mirrors.kernel.org/mirrors.dcarsat.com.ar/g' /etc/apt/sources.list make sure all of the lines have  http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian before you run this comand it will replace them in one run on every line added. :)
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22:57.10aindiliswhere would be the correct channel to ask questions about whether a given system would make a good web host?
22:57.14aindilisin terms of hardware
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22:57.54in1t3r_aindilis, any tech channel :)
22:58.05in1t3r_shoot your question :)
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22:59.32aindilisokay, so I'm thinking about purchasing a super cheap 6 cpu amd opteron 2389 or 2419 (24@2.9 vs 36@1.8 GHz) total, w a boatload of ram since my application requires a lot of ram.  I am wondering if these older processors, with multicore passmark around 6000 would make adequate web hosts?
22:59.47jellyin1t3r_, that's not really a debian-specific question
22:59.49aindilisin particular, will people get pissed at a 1.8GHz processor since my app is already really slow
23:00.19MarioMeyjelly: you are right! I fixed it... let's see...
23:00.34jellyaindilis, if your app is single-thread oriented, they probably will
23:00.55aindilisso paying an extra 50% for the 2.9GHz should be worthwihle?
23:01.00in1t3r_aindilis, YOu can join also the  ##hardware
23:01.04aindilisty
23:01.04in1t3r_and ask there
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23:01.48in1t3r_Why not the web host can  be run even with less it is how you implement it and how big website you need to run.
23:01.53in1t3r_I mean a webhost.
23:02.29jellyaindilis, identify your actual bottlenecks and you'll have an idea for hw specs
23:02.43in1t3r_aindilis, how amny websites how much of visitors are you setting it up yourself so you are making decision whether to use appache or nginx or whether to use mysql or postgresql
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23:03.18jellyperhaps ask in #web
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23:04.00in1t3r_aindilis, do you need a failover and redundancy is the uptime main problem then you might think on round robin and having at least two servers running with a nginx as a cahsing server in front. there are too many questions and they are all implementation specific
23:04.13jellywhen you have something pertinent to an actual Debian installation, then continue asking here
23:06.39in1t3r_MarioMey, btw for the cases your mirror go down you could install netselect-apt
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23:12.14MarioMeyin1t3r_: a friend of min recommended http://ftp.us.debian.org/.... but it gets stuck, too.
23:12.29MarioMeyin1t3r_: I just installed netselect-apt
23:12.33MarioMeyHow do I use it?
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23:13.07MarioMeyI run with sudo...  let's see....
23:13.26in1t3r_netselect-apt --help
23:13.51in1t3r_its not that hard MarioMey
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23:17.46luxioIf I download a deb and install with dpkg, do I need to download the dependencies too?
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23:19.28haosluxio: yes, if you dont have it installed
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23:21.34dermanisyou can try apt-get -f install to fix the dependencies
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23:23.54wonderfulmeehello there, any IMAP specialists out there?
23:24.08MarioMeyin1t3r_: it's strange...
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23:24.37MarioMeyI used netselect-apt and overwrote sources.list... but it gets stuck again.
23:24.41wonderfulmeeas in, how do I download whole IMAP mailboxes (offlineimap does it)
23:24.57MarioMeyAnd always, the last or previous-last line is about "Translation-en"
23:25.14MarioMeyNow, it is "Des:13 http://mirrors.tecnoera.com/debian stable/contrib Translation-en [45,9 kB]"
23:25.37wonderfulmeeand conver it into HTML, like nopriv does
23:25.43wonderfulmee*convert
23:26.13wonderfulmeebasically, how do I convert a local maildir into HTML?
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23:27.05wonderfulmeeor .PST
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23:27.13wonderfulmeehtml would be my prefenrece
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23:27.23wonderfulmee*preference
23:27.36in1t3r_MarioMey, sed -i 's/mirrors.tecnoera.com/mirrors.dcarsat.com.ar/g' /etc/apt/source.list
23:27.42in1t3r_run as root
23:27.46in1t3r_sorry
23:27.51in1t3r_MarioMey, sed -i 's/mirrors.tecnoera.com/mirrors.dcarsat.com.ar/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
23:28.01wonderfulmeeand whatever is the alternative to hypermail nowadays
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23:28.38wonderfulmeenot one of you is archiving mail, seems like
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23:29.44wonderfulmeehere's a case
23:30.01wonderfulmeeI need to distribute a remote IMAP mailbox to multiple local users
23:30.14john_ramboI have a folder totaling 6GB ....I want to split is into 2 parts ... 3GB each how do I do that ?
23:30.57wonderfulmeedo I just set up offlineimap, mv the mail to the corresponding IMAP local mailbox
23:31.30wonderfulmeeis there a better way?
23:31.30ryoumajohn_rambo: there is a program in debian for this but idr what it is
23:31.30hanshenrikjohn_rambo, do you know any scripting/programming language whatsoever?
23:31.30wonderfulmeeas in, converting it all to HTML
23:31.45wonderfulmeelike nopriv.py does, only it doesn't work with offline sources
23:31.51hanshenrikohh sorry read that wrong
23:31.53john_rambohanshenrik, Nope
23:32.12wonderfulmeehow do you mass-distribute an IMAP mailbox
23:32.34in1t3r_john_rambo, how about running du command on the folder and running mkdir for toher directory and running mv to move the big files into other one?
23:32.40hanshenrikwonderfulmee, nfs + maildir
23:32.56wonderfulmeeunless you set up a dovecot installation and mv them messages into corresponding mailboxes
23:33.49wonderfulmeehanshenrik: NFS is out of the question. then again, how do I achieve maildir being in Thunderbird, Outlook or wherever
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23:33.49in1t3r_du /path/to/your/folder -ah should give you the files and directories sizes
23:33.49wonderfulmeethe transport is not the issue
23:33.52john_ramboOne file is more than 5 GB and the rest is 1 GB approx in1t3r_
23:34.00|DM|Is there a way for me to provide a i386 version of a lib to a specific program ?
23:34.09in1t3r_you can run split
23:34.14jellywonderfulmee, why not set up local dovecot and give them all access to one copy.  Why does it have to be static html and not imap?
23:34.38|DM|ie I have a program that needs openssl 386 for libcrypto, but I don't want to replace my entire ssl for it
23:34.38in1t3r_if its not a binary file
23:34.52john_ramboin1t3r_, Its a Windows game
23:35.25wonderfulmeejelly: basically what I'd really like is a mirror of a remote imap server account being available at a local dovecot
23:35.28hanshenrikwonderfulmee, iirc, you tell dovecot to set up the maildirs to your preferred format (and the only format that handles large amounts of email well, is Maildir. the popular alternative Mbox does NOT handle gigabytes of mails well) - and when Thunderbird or Outlook or whatever connects to the email server, dovecot tells whatever the format used
23:35.30wonderfulmeethat's doable
23:35.40jelly|DM|, debian is multiarch capable since 7.0, if you install libssl1.0.2:i386 it won't replace libssl1.0.2:amd64
23:35.56jellydpkg, tell |DM| about multiarch
23:36.06wonderfulmeebut last time I touched a mail server or them likes was like 20+ years ago
23:36.07hanshenrikwonderfulmee, additionally, Maildir uses a lot of inodes, so you'd better use zfs or btrfs or some filesystem not limited by inodes
23:36.25wonderfulmeewe're talking 100gb+
23:36.27hanshenrikwonderfulmee, the default ext4 inode limit is 4 million, i think
23:36.32wonderfulmeeall in all
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23:36.50wonderfulmeeso the FS might be an issue but ext4 seems to be doing just fine
23:37.12wonderfulmeebasically, I have a remote IMAP account
23:37.14in1t3r_john_rambo, no luck then you can still run split -n2 thegamefile
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23:37.19jellyhanshenrik, the limit depends on fs size and mkfs options used for ext4
23:37.22wonderfulmeeseveral accounts
23:37.30wonderfulmeeI want to mirror them at a local dovecot
23:37.39john_ramboin1t3r_, Okay
23:37.40in1t3r_just make a backup first
23:37.51wonderfulmeeso that random people would be able to mirror that shit through their Thunderbird/Outlook clients
23:37.52|DM|jelly, does libssl provide libcrypto? I thought that came with openssl, and when i try to install openssl:i386 it does tell me it will remove the 64bit package
23:37.55hanshenrikjelly, yeah, and when you give mkfs.ext4 no inode options, what is the default number of inodes?
23:37.57jelly|DM|, yes.
23:38.14hanshenrikjelly, and keep in mind, in ext, the number of inodes cannot be altered after fomatting x.x
23:38.17wonderfulmeeand I don't know shit about dovecot. is that doable?
23:38.23hanshenrikerr, after fs creation*
23:38.27jelly|DM|, openssl is split into multiple binary packages
23:38.45MarioMeyin1t3r_: no matter which mirror I use... it does the same always.
23:38.47wonderfulmeeI really believe ext4 would do its job
23:38.51MarioMeyI did what you told me.
23:39.07MarioMeyNow: "Des:13 http://mirrors.dcarsat.com.ar/debian stable/contrib Translation-en [45,9 kB]" is the last line.
23:39.10wonderfulmeelast time I sat up a mail server was 1998
23:39.23|DM|and libcrypto is under libssl? Ok. Then why does this program complain aout not having libcrypto, I already have libssl1.0.2:i386 installed
23:39.24jellyhanshenrik, the default depends on e2fsprogs version and what's in your /etc/mke2fs.conf, and is, I think, roughly byte-size-of-blockdev / 8192
23:39.32MarioMeyWell, the real last line is "0 [Trabajando]".
23:39.33wonderfulmeeI don't know shit about setting up mail servers in 2017
23:39.34|DM|its asking for libcrypto.so.1.0.0
23:39.38wonderfulmeespecifically, dovecat
23:39.39MarioMeyWell, the real last line is "0% [Trabajando]".
23:39.47jellyhanshenrik, so a 100GB fs gets 12M inodes or so
23:39.57in1t3r_MarioMey, does it exited to a shell or it still waits?
23:40.20jelly|DM|, which debian release are you on?
23:40.21wonderfulmeecan I feed dovecat random maildirs?
23:40.25in1t3r_do you have something in the sources.list.d directory?
23:40.40MarioMeyin1t3r_: It still waits.
23:40.40hanshenrikwonderfulmee, yes dovecot works fine with maildir
23:40.45wonderfulmeewould it serve those maildirs to windows clients?
23:40.45hanshenrikformat
23:40.46|DM|jelly, debian sid. with ldd it seems it also cant find libssl
23:40.49jelly|DM|, pastebin the output of ldd /path/to/your/binary
23:40.51hanshenrikwonderfulmee, works fine for me, yeah
23:40.53wonderfulmeevia IMAP
23:40.55|DM|Is this because I have 1.0.2 and it wants 1.0.0 ?
23:40.57hanshenrikyep
23:40.57in1t3r_ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
23:41.11wonderfulmeethanks for that, gotta have a piss
23:41.13jelly|DM|, you shouldn't use sid if you can't deal with library breakage :-\
23:42.06MarioMeyin1t3r_: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1507 may 19 19:18 teamviewer.list
23:42.14MarioMeyO.o
23:42.38jellyhanshenrik, and growing ext4 filesystem block size grows inode tables size proportionally
23:42.46in1t3r_cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/teamviewer.list
23:43.08wonderfulmeehanshenrik, imagine, I had to download a lot of IMAP mail off random IMAP servers with "offlineimap" (look it up, that's a proper good app)
23:43.29wonderfulmeehanshenrik, then I'd like to attach a username and a password to each and everyone
23:43.39MarioMeyin1t3r_: https://pastebin.com/LdvDZrvY
23:43.45jellywonderfulmee, do you need to grab some folder once, or sync it up often?
23:43.46wonderfulmeehanshenrik, and I wouldn't like to use /etc/passwd, neither mysql
23:43.46in1t3r_|DM|, use ldd
23:44.01in1t3r_and do a symbolic link :)
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23:44.09hanshenrikjelly, i've heard otherwise, i've heard that after an ext4 partition has been created, its impossible to change the number of inodes  (and i know its not impossible, but i guess they meant "infeasable" )
23:44.11wonderfulmeejelly: the latter.
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23:44.33wonderfulmeejelly: like, once every 24 hours.
23:44.36jellyin1t3r_, no, don't "do a symbolic link", library ABIs exist for a reason
23:44.53hanshenrikwonderfulmee, no need to use either, google "dovecot vmail"
23:45.15jellyhanshenrik, you heard wrong
23:45.18wonderfulmeevmail is that little file which is basically .htpasswd?
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23:45.32wonderfulmeejelly please go on.
23:45.44hanshenrikjelly, good to know, thanks
23:45.45in1t3r_MarioMey, cat /etc/apt/sources.list
23:45.48wonderfulmeejelly with how do I proper mirror live IMAP accounts
23:45.54|DM|jelly, Idd, but I wanted to learn . Heres the output https://pastebin.com/wsCDBAyC
23:46.14hanshenrikwonderfulmee, here is a tutorial which i based my production email servers off of: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixVirtualMailBoxClamSmtpHowto
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23:46.31|DM|(and was wondering about hardware support, consdering switching back to stable now that i know 4.9.30 has all that's needed for ryzen)
23:46.40hanshenrikwonderfulmee, it sets up users with a flat textfile user database, works fine here
23:46.41MarioMeyin1t3r_: https://pastebin.com/Wrt9yBgB
23:46.43jellywonderfulmee, offlineimap is fine for that
23:46.45in1t3r_when you are using apt it pulls multiple repositories at the same time so the last line is not whats bugging you but one represented in different color try running apt-get update and see where it fails
23:46.45wonderfulmeeoh my fuck postfix
23:46.59MarioMeyin1t3r_: (it's from netselect-apt)
23:47.09wonderfulmeeyeah, that's a decent tutorial for virtual accounts
23:47.12|DM|in1t3r_, you mean just symlinking the 1.0.2 lib to 1.0.0 ?
23:47.23in1t3r_ok the sources list look fine
23:47.49in1t3r_oh no didn't read the whole talk |DM| it ight be incompatible
23:47.57jellywonderfulmee, but I'm not willing to hand-hold you through configuring dovecot-imapd with Maildir storage.  dovecot has good documentation, and you only need dovecot for what you described, not necessarily virtual users, not a MTA
23:48.13wonderfulmeeI'd really like them IMAP -> HTML tutorials like NoPriv
23:48.43in1t3r_|DM|, you are missing 4 libs there
23:48.48in1t3r_not just ssl lib
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23:49.04wonderfulmeejelly: I'm 35 strongly going on 36, I shouldn't be configuring dovecot for IMAP
23:49.11|DM|yeah I'm just going through them 1 by 1. Right now want to sort out ssl and crypto
23:49.22wonderfulmeemuch less configuring it for something to post-process it
23:49.40wonderfulmeeI apologize
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23:50.05HyP3rI have here a debian jessie in version 8.8 and did today an upgrade. With that upgrade my kernel was updated from 3.2.0-4 to 3.16.0-4. The system is unable to boot with the newer kernel.
23:50.08jellywonderfulmee, that whole deal with dovecot was an idea to avoid html and postprocessing completely
23:50.08wonderfulmeeit's just a never-ending game
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23:50.35jellywonderfulmee, and provide your users with local imap if they can only access local resources
23:50.41HyP3rWhile booting the system I get redirected into the rescure linux because the rootfs can't be mounted.
23:50.54jelly|DM|, you can get lib{ssl,crypto}.so.1.0.0 from jessie's libssl1.0.0:i386 package
23:50.56in1t3r_|DM|, have you considered running app inside of the container?
23:50.59HyP3rThe rootfs is a multiple disc (md) partition
23:51.08wonderfulmeejelly: yeah, right. still, I would've imagined there was a simple python maildir -> HTML script. there are at least two, and none of them fit the bill
23:51.10jelly|DM|, read /msg dpkg jessie sources.list
23:51.21in1t3r_|DM|, if you dont want to do apt-pinning
23:51.25HyP3rSo the question is: why can't find Linux 3.16 my root partition?
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23:52.03jellyin1t3r_, there is no need for pinning when adding an _older_ release
23:52.10wonderfulmeejelly you're absolutely right, I'd love to leave the post-processing to Outlook/TB/whatever
23:52.33|DM|I went with symlinkig because I assumed a ..x release wouldn't be breaking
23:52.41|DM|after grabbing the i386 of the other libs, seems to run fine
23:53.19jellythat assumption is not correct
23:53.19wonderfulmeehowever, I'd like for a virtual account that would get picked up with a regular email client
23:53.19in1t3r_I still do prefer to have apt pinning because I play with experimental packages too :D
23:53.19wonderfulmeeand another ten of those
23:53.19|DM|So, I should grab the package and then install it with gdebi ?
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23:53.25wonderfulmeehow do I accomodate that
23:53.33wonderfulmeeexcept with a proper maildir -> HTML
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23:53.37damo22where do i get isohybrid from its not in apt
23:53.43|DM|As for running inside a container, I've never tried that with graphical programs and have no idea how nice docker plays with the X system
23:53.48jellywonderfulmee, what stops your users from accessing one imap username and password and the same copy of remote folder
23:54.00HyP3rThe partition layout is simple: I have two 250GB Hard Discs with a MBR Partitiontable and two partitions (sda1/2 and sdb1/2) both partitions are linux raid paritions which are then assembled to /dev/md0 and /dev/md1
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23:54.30wonderfulmeejelly: nothing much, it's just a bother. those are not exactly imap users; rather, readers if you get my drift
23:54.45HyP3rInside the rescue linux of 3.16 mdadm --assemble --scan is also not working. I don't konw why this linux is unable to assmble the arrays
23:55.22wonderfulmeeas in I gotta download the mail, move it into them dovecat accounts
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23:55.37wonderfulmeethey download that. end of story.
23:55.47jellywonderfulmee, I find static html renderings of mail extremely distasteful and hard to index and search.  In process of getting rid of 500GB mailman archives
23:55.57in1t3r_|DM|, KVM come to mind too having different machines for different tasks keeping your main one clean of unneeded security risks. :)
23:56.16|DM|Looked at KVM, was hesitant because of hardware support.
23:56.26wonderfulmeejelly: I'm only at 100gb+ at this point and I'm already kinda lost. and I was using hypermail
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23:56.36|DM|Oh, by the way. Does ldd look next to the executable first before it goes digging in /usr/lib ?
23:56.40pavlxhello
23:56.49wonderfulmeeit is my impression that pople gave up on processing email.
23:56.50jellywonderfulmee, is that 100GB of html, or 10GB of mail?
23:56.52|DM|Could I then just grab libssl and libcrypto from the jessie package, and just put it next to the executable?
23:57.03jelly100* GB of mail
23:57.09wonderfulmeejelly: 50gb+ raw maildir.
23:57.21jellyso that will be 100-150GB html
23:57.23wonderfulmeedifferent accounts, though
23:57.47jellycodeHi guys, I'm really stuck and frustrated right now with apt... need some help
23:57.57jellycodeprobably nobody can help me, but i gotta ask
23:58.03jelly!ask
23:58.03dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
23:58.04wonderfulmeewhat I'm using ATM is offlineimap
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23:58.39wonderfulmeenone of those fancy HTML hypermail replacements do offline processing
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23:58.55wonderfulmeeso I basically import it into Thunderbird
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23:59.13HyP3rHas someone an idea?
23:59.14RajsunHey guys, on a brand new install of Debian 9.0 with GNOME as the primary desktop, I've noticed an odd behavior with the Lock Screen. At times, it'll prompt for password but at other's merely moving my mouse or typing a key on my keyboard will do. Anyone else experiencing this same behavior too?
23:59.54jellywonderfulmee, I'd push to ditch processing, let users access via local imap, if need be add server-side search functionality
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