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| 00:00.31 | aZz7eCh | hey #debian. Any obvious reason/solution to this quirk? I have debian lite installed on a box i run as our fileserver. its been going for about 2.5 years now ... beautifully. |
| 00:00.48 | aZz7eCh | this passed month however ... i keep finding my network xfer speeds reduced to 100mb/s instead of 1000 ... |
| 00:00.59 | aZz7eCh | if i reboot the machine, i instantly get my 1000mb network speed back |
| 00:01.03 | sypher | aZz7eCh: What is "debian lite"? |
| 00:01.15 | aZz7eCh | sorry sypher ... base jessie ... no gui |
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| 00:02.11 | dondelelcaro | aZz7eCh: has the NIC renegotiated? mii-tool eth0; might be helpful |
| 00:02.33 | aZz7eCh | after it slows ? |
| 00:02.36 | dondelelcaro | aZz7eCh: yep |
| 00:03.28 | aZz7eCh | well, its slow right now. so running that command nets me .. : eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok |
| 00:03.29 | dondelelcaro | aZz7eCh: it's possible that corrosion or something else is causing it to renegotiate and fall back to 100bT. Hard to say, though |
| 00:03.42 | sypher | Yup, it negotiated downward. |
| 00:03.43 | dondelelcaro | aZz7eCh: yeah, there you go |
| 00:03.47 | aZz7eCh | shit |
| 00:04.01 | aZz7eCh | why the hell |
| 00:04.01 | dondelelcaro | aZz7eCh: try just plugging and unplugging it temporarily; that might be enough |
| 00:04.10 | aZz7eCh | oops scuse the french. |
| 00:04.43 | sypher | aZz7eCh: Cable fault is usually why I see that happening. |
| 00:04.44 | dondelelcaro | (moving the contacts in and out is sometimes enough to clean them up) |
| 00:04.55 | aZz7eCh | hmm okay. so i should start by looking at the new ebay cables i bought (flat fancy ones) ... |
| 00:05.00 | aZz7eCh | thats the only recent change this year |
| 00:05.21 | aZz7eCh | alright thanks gives me something to monitor/work with . |
| 00:05.30 | aZz7eCh | appreciate the help always :) |
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| 00:05.40 | dondelelcaro | aZz7eCh: ah; if it's new cables, I'd suspect them. No problem. Good luck! |
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| 00:06.01 | aZz7eCh | strange that simply rebooting fixes it for a day or two |
| 00:06.29 | dondelelcaro | aZz7eCh: it negotiates at bootup, and since there's no traffic, it doesn't renegotiate until there's a failure |
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| 00:06.48 | aZz7eCh | thats the thing tho - i get gigabit for days out of it |
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| 00:06.52 | aZz7eCh | till suddenly it does it again |
| 00:07.00 | aZz7eCh | but okay all good.. i start by swapping them back out |
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| 00:07.02 | dondelelcaro | aZz7eCh: yeah; the joys of hardware |
| 00:07.03 | aZz7eCh | soon see |
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| 00:09.55 | aZz7eCh | eth0: negotiated 1000baseT-FD flow-control, link ok |
| 00:10.04 | aZz7eCh | no reboot, simply plug/unplug like suggested. |
| 00:10.14 | aZz7eCh | and i threw out my original patch cables :( lol |
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| 00:23.03 | negatratoron | Hey, I'm following the instructions here https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Installation but getting an error when I try to install kernel headers. |
| 00:23.06 | negatratoron | http://lpaste.net/356811 |
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| 00:34.42 | negatratoron | Is it possible to install kernel headers in Testing? |
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| 00:49.09 | nvz | no, people in testing never y'know test stuff, so they saw no need for it |
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| 00:49.44 | jmcnaught | negatratoron: "/msg dpkg bat" for troubleshooting info to provide. Also if this is testing, you should ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 00:53.15 | negatratoron | it says "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)" |
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| 00:57.58 | jmcnaught | negatratoron: you are on freenode, #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:58.15 | negatratoron | ohhhh lol |
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| 01:00.22 | smilax | I'm having trouble with YouTube videos in Firefox in Stretch stuttering and freezing, especially at higher resolutions. Intel graphics, VLC can play HD video just fine. Strangest thing is it works fine in Mint on the same machine. Does anyone have an idea what settings or configurations I should be changing or looking at? |
| 01:01.41 | lonewolf999 | @all, I'm having a screen tearing issue with fresh debian install in a laptop with dual graphics. I have installed all the required drivers but the issue persist. Any suggestions |
| 01:02.06 | nvz | lonewolf999: wake up, or freddie is going to get you |
| 01:02.13 | lonewolf999 | @all, I'm using opensource drivers FYI |
| 01:02.28 | lonewolf999 | nvz: Can you please help :-( |
| 01:03.04 | nvz | lonewolf999: you don't have to say @all, and you need to be more specific about what device and drivers you are using and what you mean by screen tearing |
| 01:03.47 | nvz | smilax: you're using hdmi yes? |
| 01:04.16 | jmcnaught | smilax: have you checked your logs for missing firmware messages? |
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| 01:05.22 | lonewolf999 | nvc: I'm not using hdmi. These the graphics card that are in my system. sudo lspci -v | grep VGA 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Trinity [Radeon HD 7660G] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Thames [Radeon HD 7500M/7600M Series] (rev ff) (prog-if ff) |
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| 01:06.19 | lonewolf999 | nvc: By screen tearing I mean there are vertical line appearing on my mouse pointer |
| 01:06.30 | smilax | nvz: y |
| 01:06.57 | nvz | smilax: z |
| 01:08.50 | smilax | jmcnaught: New to systemd. Mind giving me commands to run? |
| 01:09.18 | nvz | lonewolf999: alright well two gfx cards is enough to qualify you for needing to be even more specific.. heh.. wander on over to paste.debian.net and upload /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/dmesg |
| 01:09.49 | jmcnaught | smilax: "dmesg | grep -i firmware" |
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| 01:12.14 | smilax | jmcnaught: dmesg isn't working. Thought it was a systemd thing. "dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted" |
| 01:12.28 | jmcnaught | smilax: you must be root to view dmesg now |
| 01:13.09 | jmcnaught | smilax: FYI all of the logs from pre-systemd are still present on Debian. By default journald on Debian only keeps logs in memory, then forwards to syslog for writing to disk |
| 01:13.20 | lonewolf999 | nvz: dmesg : http://paste.debian.net/975518/ |
| 01:14.09 | smilax | Brb |
| 01:14.30 | lonewolf999 | nvz: xorg logs http://paste.debian.net/975519/ |
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| 01:16.59 | smilax_ | jmcnaught: Sorry, was on a tablet. Typing was annoying as anything, and pasting from computer was going to be even more annoying. Seemed like a good idea at the time... One sec, I'll paste. |
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| 01:18.12 | smilax_ | jmcnaught: https://pastebin.com/PASrzJMb |
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| 01:20.46 | nvz | lonewolf999: I'm having major connection issues, so I only got to look at the first one, now its not loading |
| 01:21.09 | nvz | !test |
| 01:21.09 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 01:21.12 | nvz | figures |
| 01:21.48 | lonewolf999 | nvz: do you want to me to paste the logs file again ? |
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| 01:22.22 | smilax | nvz: To answer your earlier question more letterly, yes, I'm using HDMI for the video output. Sorry, tablet typing was annoying and the y was actually an accident, though I thought you'd probably figure out it was a yes. Anyway, any suggestions relevant to the HDMI output? |
| 01:22.25 | nvz | lonewolf999: no its on my end, I can stay on irc because it doesn't require lookup |
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| 01:23.08 | nvz | smilax: no, not really, I just was experiencing similar issues here with FF and YT on hdmi, some videos just hiss loudly for example |
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| 01:23.45 | nvz | smilax: doesn't seem to do it using other players like mps-youtube with audio only or mplayer on fb console |
| 01:24.33 | smilax | nvz: I had that in Jessie, though I think that was all video, not just YT, and a driver issue. |
| 01:25.19 | nvz | smilax: yeah well I'm on an orange pi, and the video support is terrible, I was thinking you may be having some similar issues, but unlike me you can go try newer kernels and drivers and such |
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| 01:25.35 | nvz | if I upgrade I go from some video support to none |
| 01:26.03 | smilax | nvz: Would you mind confirming for me that jmcnaught was the person I was talking to before I BRB'd? I closed that chat when I switched to this one. |
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| 01:26.57 | smilax | nvz: Sorry, probably a different problem. |
| 01:27.54 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: i found that moving /etc/apt/trusted.gpg allows apt to read the gpg files in its sub directory, no more warnings |
| 01:28.29 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: i think i'll live with the warning and let debian fix the bug |
| 01:29.37 | jmcnaught | smilax: none of those are related to your GPU, so it's something else |
| 01:30.02 | jmcnaught | Bitchin_Camaro: where did you move it? why not just fix the permissions? |
| 01:30.11 | smilax | jmcnaught: Ok, thanks. Any other suggestions? |
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| 01:30.27 | smilax | jmcnaught: Thanks for the info about the new log system, too, btw. |
| 01:30.49 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: i changed from 600 to 644 and got more warning, maybe it should be chowned |
| 01:31.22 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: my other stretch doesnt have the problem and has identical permissions |
| 01:32.46 | jmcnaught | Bitchin_Camaro: http://paste.debian.net/975520/ those are the permissions on my system |
| 01:33.05 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: it seems to be relateed to clean installs and using synaptic, which i opened but didnt alter anything |
| 01:33.22 | nvz | what do i need to do in stretch to change my dns server? |
| 01:33.37 | jmcnaught | nvz: how is your network configured? |
| 01:34.26 | nvz | jmcnaught: wicd using wireless, to a hotspot, dhcp |
| 01:35.11 | jmcnaught | nvz: you probably want wicd setting DNS. You can also look at the resolvconf package to customize how/what updates /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:35.17 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: those are mine also in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ also. trusted.gpg is in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg |
| 01:35.19 | nvz | jmcnaught: I seem to have stopped wicd from hopping to other APs called "xfinitywifi" but now I seem to be having dns issues, because I'm obviously still online but can't load any web pages, it says host not found |
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| 01:35.51 | nvz | jmcnaught: right, I'll look in wicd-curses |
| 01:36.23 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: trusted.gpg is preventing apt from reading /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ |
| 01:36.51 | jmcnaught | Bitchin_Camaro: what is the exact error? also what does "id _apt" show? |
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| 01:37.46 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: command not found |
| 01:38.42 | jmcnaught | Bitchin_Camaro: "id" was not found? |
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| 01:39.50 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/975510/ yes id shows root |
| 01:40.16 | jmcnaught | Bitchin_Camaro: "id _apt" shows root? |
| 01:40.17 | Bitchin_Camaro | id_apt not found, never heard of it |
| 01:40.29 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: no, just 'id' |
| 01:40.51 | jmcnaught | Bitchin_Camaro: id<space><underscore>apt |
| 01:41.07 | Bitchin_Camaro | oh sec jmcnaught |
| 01:41.56 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: id _apt shows, uid=120(_apt) gid=65534(nogroup) groups=65534(nogroup) |
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| 01:43.20 | jmcnaught | Bitchin_Camaro: what does "stat /etc/apt/trusted.gpg" say? |
| 01:43.39 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: 600 perms root.root |
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| 01:44.34 | jmcnaught | Bitchin_Camaro: "chmod 644 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg" |
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| 01:44.57 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: i tried that and got many more warnings |
| 01:45.19 | nvz | alright, who sicked the net nanny on me? heh, even with google dns I still can't get to python.org, but I can get to nfl.com, google.com, chat.freenode.net |
| 01:45.41 | jmcnaught | Bitchin_Camaro: show me the corrected permissions with ls or stat, and the output of the command once that is done |
| 01:46.03 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: i'm sure a fix will be issued i can just move that file elsewhere nd no warning but not sur if thats safe |
| 01:46.56 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/975525/ |
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| 01:47.14 | Bitchin_Camaro | i'm probably beeing you to death ;p |
| 01:47.21 | Bitchin_Camaro | beeping |
| 01:47.58 | jmcnaught | Bitchin_Camaro: the permission is still 600, set it to 644, run "apt update" and let me see _that_ error |
| 01:48.15 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: ok, sec |
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| 01:51.03 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/975526/ .. the warning didnt paste |
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| 01:52.59 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/975527/ |
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| 01:53.22 | Bitchin_Camaro | 644 makes it worse |
| 01:53.27 | jmcnaught | Bitchin_Camaro: "apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring" |
| 01:53.52 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: its installed but i'll recheck |
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| 01:54.10 | jmcnaught | Bitchin_Camaro: it means that you have multiple problems. It's not clear where your /etc/apt/trusted.gpg file came from, on a fresh stretch system all of the keyrings get put in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ |
| 01:55.12 | jmcnaught | it's possible that some of the things you've tried to fix this have caused other issues |
| 01:55.24 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: they are there! apt-cache policy http://paste.debian.net/975528/ |
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| 01:56.58 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: with 600 perms., http://paste.debian.net/975529/ |
| 01:57.25 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: f i delete trusted.gpg it all works fine |
| 01:57.32 | Bitchin_Camaro | if* |
| 01:57.45 | jmcnaught | Bitchin_Camaro: i would be worried about where trusted.gpg came from in the first place |
| 01:58.22 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: i saw a debian post that claimed synaptic corrupts it |
| 01:58.45 | jmcnaught | Bitchin_Camaro: what does "gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --list-keys" show? |
| 01:59.00 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: i wonder if i could use the copy off the other box? |
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| 01:59.04 | jmcnaught | synaptic doesn't even start for me, but i don't care enough to look into it |
| 01:59.36 | jmcnaught | Bitchin_Camaro: none of my stretch systems have the file |
| 01:59.46 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: read that too i dont use synaptic but i did open it, one sec |
| 02:01.11 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: that cmd shows nothing |
| 02:01.42 | jmcnaught | Bitchin_Camaro: what is in that file then? |
| 02:01.45 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: error code 0 after the cmd |
| 02:02.17 | Bitchin_Camaro | its binary, a dozen or so chars |
| 02:03.04 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: well if you dont have that file, i can live without it |
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| 02:03.23 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: all goes well when i move it |
| 02:03.24 | jmcnaught | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=864640 |
| 02:03.26 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/864640 in synaptic (open): «synaptic: when modifying repository's a file named trusted.gpg is created in /etc/apt/»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-06-12; last modified: 2017-06-12. |
| 02:03.40 | Bitchin_Camaro | nods |
| 02:03.45 | jmcnaught | Bitchin_Camaro: it sounds like synaptic adds an empty keyring with the wrong permissions |
| 02:04.21 | jmcnaught | removes synaptic |
| 02:04.23 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: so i'll just delete the thing yeah |
| 02:04.51 | Bitchin_Camaro | i hate synaptic, i just wanted to see if it changed much |
| 02:04.58 | Bitchin_Camaro | im a CLI guy |
| 02:05.24 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: so im cool without trusted.gpg then |
| 02:05.44 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: thanks as usual for your help |
| 02:06.05 | Bitchin_Camaro | <- LTL |
| 02:06.39 | jmcnaught | Bitchin_Camaro: you're welcome. sounds okay. i would probably doublecheck the output of "apt-cache policy" to make sure all the repos are there, but if "apt update" completes without error it should be fine |
| 02:06.45 | jmcnaught | oh hey LtL |
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| 02:07.38 | Bitchin_Camaro | jmcnaught: yeah hey, all goes fine now, shouldnt be a problem now thanks man |
| 02:07.50 | jmcnaught | cheers |
| 02:08.05 | Bitchin_Camaro | yeah no errors, damn synaptic |
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| 02:10.21 | LtL | jmcnaught: nice job finding that bug report, i couldn't :) |
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| 02:44.26 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day :-) |
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| 03:05.50 | kden | Is F2FS stable FS to use on a root install |
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| 03:32.40 | hanshenrik | how come `apt install nginx` use 4,289 kB , and `apt install nginx-full` use 4,195 kB ? nginx-full is slimmer than nginx - http://paste.debian.net/975540/ |
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| 03:35.35 | nvz | is there a program that compares hashes and can delete duplicate files or would I have to script something? |
| 03:35.58 | nvz | my father has accumulated a crapload of pictures taken with his cell phone and likely has duplicates all over his hdd |
| 03:36.16 | hanshenrik | nvz, yes there is, there's a lot of them floating around at sourceforge |
| 03:36.22 | koollman | nvz: fdupes |
| 03:37.45 | hanshenrik | weirdly, the only difference between `nginx-full` and `nginx`, is that nginx-full doesn't install... `nginx` |
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| 03:39.42 | nvz | koollman: ok, I see duff, fdupes, and jdupes in the apt cache on my system, a gui would be more his speed but its better than nothing |
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| 03:43.09 | will__ | hanshenrik: lol thats funny |
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| 03:43.47 | hanshenrik | idd |
| 03:45.10 | nvz | komparator sounds like it might do the trick if it doesnt work solely on two different dirs and can scan |
| 03:45.34 | nvz | I can't really test it here, its a bit too beefy a program for my orangepi lite |
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| 04:05.05 | corbob | I'm trying to install PowerShell on Debian 9, and I'm running into an issue where the package requires libssl1.0.0 and libicu55, but it seems Debian 9 includes libssl1.0.2 and libicu57. Is there a way that I can tell apt to install powershell even with the broken dependencies? |
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| 04:12.22 | hanasaki | two debian 9 installs. firefox in one plays netflix fine. in the other it says unexpected error. any thoughts on debug and fix ? |
| 04:14.05 | rx_ | netflix uses flash? |
| 04:14.13 | rx_ | use chromium |
| 04:14.15 | hanasaki | nope. DRM |
| 04:14.26 | hanasaki | netflix now uses the google drm module in FF |
| 04:14.34 | rx_ | oh |
| 04:15.08 | hanasaki | rx_: FF beta works fine :) point is to find debug what is diff between the two systems that are both runnign FF ESR from the standard debian 9 repo |
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| 04:16.19 | hawken | I totally got my firefox from sid |
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| 04:16.48 | hanasaki | hawken: what ver is in sid these days? |
| 04:17.09 | hawken | uh.. let me check |
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| 04:18.06 | hawken | 54.0-2 |
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| 04:23.02 | hanasaki | hawken: thanks |
| 04:23.42 | hawken | yw :) |
| 04:24.09 | hanasaki | hawken: any thoughts on debugging it? point is it works on one system and not on the other |
| 04:25.01 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: you have "play drm content" checked in about:preferences#content ? |
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| 04:25.29 | hanasaki | jmcnaught: where can I check that to confirm please |
| 04:25.55 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: preferences, content tab |
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| 04:30.12 | hanasaki | yes. its enabled. also tried with a completely new ff profile |
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| 04:39.01 | will__ | just tried: sudo .certbot-auto --apache |
| 04:39.11 | will__ | got: sudo: .certbot-auto: command not found |
| 04:39.30 | will__ | isnt that how one usually runs a program? |
| 04:40.09 | jmcnaught | will__: programs don't normally begin with a period in their filename. how did you install certbot? it's just called certbot if you install the Debian packages |
| 04:40.39 | jmcnaught | hanasaki: run it in a terminal and look for error messages on stderr |
| 04:41.12 | hanasaki | done. nothing I find useful. |
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| 04:42.03 | hiya | I cannot correct the spelling in the Hexchat of Debian 9 until I do this like 10 times or long press on the correct spelling when I right click, I see that it happens only in the hexchat |
| 04:42.38 | will__ | jmcnaught: i was just following instructions from letencrypt.org |
| 04:42.45 | will__ | letsencrypt* |
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| 04:43.16 | will__ | and from what i remember in mint, launching programs in the terminal required a . at the beginning |
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| 04:44.28 | kritter | I installed qubes and it seems to have also gotten my windows drive. How can I check from this drive and see what it ruined? |
| 04:46.01 | rx_ | fdisk -l |
| 04:46.04 | jmcnaught | will__: how did you install certbot? which instructions? |
| 04:46.30 | kritter | rx_, i can see the disk, but I cannot actually get down into /dev/sda1 |
| 04:46.38 | will__ | jmcnaught: didnt instal yet. used wget to download and then chmod-ed it to give permission to execute. |
| 04:46.45 | jmcnaught | will__: you can include '.' meaning current directory as part of the path when running a program, like "./foo" if foo is a program in your current directory |
| 04:46.56 | will__ | https://certbot.eff.org/#debianother-apache |
| 04:47.18 | will__ | instructions required me to run it as root with apache flag |
| 04:47.33 | jmcnaught | will__: follow the instructions for testing instead, they just haven't been updated to reflect that stretch is the new stable: https://certbot.eff.org/#debiantesting-apache |
| 04:47.39 | will__ | ahhhh that makes sense |
| 04:48.30 | jmcnaught | will__: especially because you're new to this, you should _always_ try to exclusively use software provided by Debian in the repos. Take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 04:48.54 | will__ | ouch |
| 04:49.06 | jmcnaught | that's not to say that you cannot install other software, but a. if it's already in Debian, that's easier and b. you're less likely to run into problems using Debian packaged software |
| 04:49.27 | will__ | i didnt know if something else existed for t he same thing |
| 04:49.44 | will__ | i found this from searching on google. |
| 04:50.09 | jmcnaught | will__: make a habit of searching apt for software first "apt search foo" |
| 04:51.07 | will__ | oh found it in there. dulu noted jmcnaught . thank you |
| 04:51.12 | will__ | duly* |
| 04:52.31 | jmcnaught | will__: working through the Debian Administrator's Handbook and Debian Reference will make things a lot easier for you. You don't have to do it all at once, but if you're serious about learning this stuff do a little bit at a time: https://www.debian.org/doc/ |
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| 04:53.49 | jmcnaught | will__: keep in mind that there's a lot of bad advice out there on the web. your best bet is to trust Debian docs first, including man pages and files in /usr/share/doc (on directory per package), and the resources on debian.org like above and the wiki |
| 04:55.36 | will__ | gotcha! thanks again |
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| 05:27.48 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | Greetings, ladies and gentlemen (and jews) |
| 05:28.02 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | I am here to claim this kingdom, in the name of Germany! |
| 05:28.56 | jmcnaught | !ops __H|I|T|L|E|R__ |
| 05:28.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: __H|I|T|L|E|R__ |
| 05:28.59 | l1Ll1Ll1L | man, nationalism is really taking a turn for the worse around here |
| 05:29.31 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | !ops l1Ll1Ll1L faggot hates germany |
| 05:29.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__ complains about: l1Ll1Ll1L faggot hates germany |
| 05:29.45 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | !ops dpkg is flooding the channel |
| 05:29.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__ complains about: dpkg is flooding the channel |
| 05:29.45 | l1Ll1Ll1L | lol oh lawd. |
| 05:30.04 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | !ops dpkg is still flooding the channel |
| 05:30.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__ complains about: dpkg is still flooding the channel |
| 05:30.20 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | !ops when will dpkg stop flooding the channel? |
| 05:30.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__ complains about: when will dpkg stop flooding the channel |
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| 05:30.36 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | !ops dpkg is mass highlighting |
| 05:30.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__ complains about: dpkg is mass highlighting |
| 05:30.45 | nkuttler | __H|I|T|L|E|R__: can you pleeeeeahze stop? |
| 05:31.02 | nkuttler | __H|I|T|L|E|R__: we are so peaceful in here |
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| 05:31.30 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | nkuttler: Will the Jews stop trying to sniff my butt? |
| 05:31.36 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | thats all I want |
| 05:31.37 | nkuttler | __H|I|T|L|E|R__: you can pm me if you need help with something |
| 05:32.00 | nkuttler | __H|I|T|L|E|R__: everybody deserves to be loved, you too |
| 05:32.07 | l1Ll1Ll1L | did...did I just witness the beginning of a very strange relationship? |
| 05:32.21 | l1Ll1Ll1L | doesn't judge |
| 05:32.27 | foul_owl | Hi folks. I downloaded debian-live-9.0.1-amd64-cinnamon.iso originally, but it doesn't have the firmware for my wifi card. So I downloaded debian-live-9.0.1-amd64-mate+nonfree.iso but it's not detected as a boot option. Same usb stick for both. I'm guessing the nonfree iso doesn't have the flag or whatever is needed to allow boot from usb, not just cd. However, the official image has that flag. How do I add |
| 05:32.28 | foul_owl | that flag to the nonfree iso so I can install debian on my system? Thanks! |
| 05:32.29 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | but I am a troll |
| 05:32.36 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | its my job to get banned |
| 05:32.39 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | !ops foul |
| 05:32.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__ complains about: foul |
| 05:32.47 | l1Ll1Ll1L | bans __H|I|T|L|E|R__ |
| 05:32.50 | nkuttler | l1Ll1Ll1L: i was told my way of dealing with trolls was stupid. just trying a new approach |
| 05:32.50 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | !ops foul_owl spamming useless stuff |
| 05:32.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__ complains about: foul_owl spamming useless stuff |
| 05:33.06 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | !ops nkuttler is trying to deal with trolls |
| 05:33.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__ complains about: nkuttler is trying to deal with trolls |
| 05:33.23 | Tonkadoro | !ops |
| 05:33.23 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
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| 05:33.24 | nkuttler | __H|I|T|L|E|R__: i know life can be tough with a mental illness, but you can troll me in pm |
| 05:33.36 | jmcnaught | foul_owl: could you try with the firmware netinst linked from this part of the install manual: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en ? |
| 05:33.36 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | I have zero mental illness |
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| 05:33.58 | foul_owl | Er, I'm not trying to do an install, I'm trying to demo the live cd to someone who is new to debian |
| 05:34.00 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | I have a mental condition (not severe enough to be considered an "illness"), minor A.D.H.D |
| 05:34.12 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | But i'm not like insane or anything |
| 05:34.23 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | in fact I'm legally eligible to buy guns |
| 05:34.24 | l1Ll1Ll1L | foul_owl have you tried using gparted? Let's you manage flags pretty easily |
| 05:34.27 | jmcnaught | foul_owl: oh i see. what is the error you get when you try to boot? |
| 05:34.33 | foul_owl | I might do the install if they like the ui, etc |
| 05:34.40 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | thats what i should do today |
| 05:34.59 | foul_owl | I copied the iso to the usb drive using sudo cp iso /dev/sd<insert letter> |
| 05:34.59 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | walk into a gun shop and say "hail Hitler! i'm here to buy all the guns! |
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| 05:35.06 | foul_owl | Same for both images |
| 05:35.30 | foul_owl | Not getting an error, the usb drive isn't showing up in the bios |
| 05:35.38 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | !ops lao_ye is a nigger faggot |
| 05:35.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__ complains about: lao_ye is a nigger faggot |
| 05:35.39 | foul_owl | For the second iso only, first one boots fine |
| 05:35.46 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | !ops foul |
| 05:35.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__ complains about: foul |
| 05:35.46 | lao_ye | :o |
| 05:35.54 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | !ops foul_owl is useless |
| 05:35.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__ complains about: foul_owl is useless |
| 05:35.59 | jmcnaught | foul_owl: oh, and you definitely didn't copy the image to a partition on the USB, instead of the device itself? |
| 05:36.09 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | !ops allah akbar! hail hitler! white power! |
| 05:36.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__ complains about: allah akbar! hail hitler! white power! |
| 05:36.11 | l1Ll1Ll1L | foul_owl copy the iso with dd |
| 05:36.14 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | !ops we hate everyone |
| 05:36.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__ complains about: we hate everyone |
| 05:36.18 | foul_owl | /dev/sdi in my case |
| 05:36.22 | foul_owl | not /dev/sdi1 for example |
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| 05:36.39 | foul_owl | I have been told dd is deprecated for copying isos, to use cp only from now on |
| 05:36.45 | Tonkadoro | Why is this hitler fool allowed to run wild in here? |
| 05:36.55 | l1Ll1Ll1L | really? That's very interesting |
| 05:36.56 | foul_owl | esp as block size can be an issue with dd |
| 05:36.57 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | Tonkadoro: the ops are sleeping |
| 05:37.04 | __H|I|T|L|E|R__ | !ops are you awake? |
| 05:37.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__ complains about: are you awake |
| 05:37.08 | nkuttler | Tonkadoro: /help ignore |
| 05:37.12 | l1Ll1Ll1L | true foul_owl, I always look up the blocksuze per distro |
| 05:37.17 | l1Ll1Ll1L | *blocksize |
| 05:37.18 | jmcnaught | foul_owl: if the regular live image works, you could make a second partition on it that contains the firmware .deb files that you need, and install them after booting |
| 05:37.29 | user | "apt-get install php7.0" is installing apache2 too but i dont need apache2 |
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| 05:37.41 | user | is it a dependency? |
| 05:37.41 | nkuttler | user: so install the -cli package |
| 05:37.51 | jmcnaught | using cp is the same as using dd, but cp has less typing, and automatically optimizes the block size |
| 05:38.31 | foul_owl | I'm not sure exactly what debs are needed. I also have multiple systems I'll need to do installs on, all with different firmware reuqirements :/ |
| 05:38.31 | Tonkadoro | jmcnaught, tell us more cp vs.dd please |
| 05:39.44 | jmcnaught | user: look at "apt show php7.0" to see the dependencies. It has "libapache2-mod-php7.0 | php7.0-fpm | php7.0-cgi, php7.0-common" which means it tries the apache module first, but any of the other ones in the OR list will work as well |
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| 05:40.30 | jmcnaught | foul_owl: for installs, use the firmware netinst image. For getting wifi on this one machine, boot the image that works, then run "dmesg | grep -i firmware" to see the filename of the missing firmware |
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| 05:41.09 | foul_owl | Ah awesome |
| 05:41.11 | jmcnaught | Tonkadoro: not much to say, except that the Debian install manual has always said to use cp, it never mentioned dd. dd seems to be stuck in people's minds as the tool for copying to/from block devices |
| 05:41.33 | foul_owl | Thank you! |
| 05:41.39 | jmcnaught | foul_owl: you can search for filenames on http://packages.debian.org/ or just ask again in here |
| 05:42.32 | foul_owl | Awesome :) |
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| 06:45.20 | nkuttler | duban: why are you asking? |
| 06:45.20 | jmcnaught | duban: what do you want the alternative to do differently? |
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| 07:41.25 | xcm | hello #debian. i have a debian 9 xen host with a debian domU created via `xen-create-image --lvm=...`. I mount the created lv on the dom0 and copy some files over, but not all the files are shown from a domU console. i've tried umount/mount and sync to no avail. why could this be happening? |
| 07:43.10 | xcm | additionally there was some delay in new files in the domU appearing in the dom0 mount, but that seemed to resolve itself within a few seconds |
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| 07:51.12 | Nazara | in my .profile I have a "source someotherscript" |
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| 07:51.44 | Nazara | this is not read by bash because .bashrc exists, but the variables set in the script don't exist in my gnome sessions |
| 07:51.56 | Nazara | how can I determine if the file is even being loaded |
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| 07:56.54 | somiaj | Nazara: man bash, depending on how bash is launched, .profile will be used or .bashrc will be used. |
| 07:57.15 | somiaj | Nazara: you can source one from the other, also other shells do honor .profile |
| 07:57.48 | Nazara | somiaj: my problem is that .bashrc gets read by bash on launch, but .profile is supposed to be read by the shell (gnome in this case) |
| 07:57.53 | Nazara | correct? |
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| 07:58.57 | Nazara | I'm setting my PATH in my custom script and need gnome to know these paths |
| 07:59.36 | xcm | oh okay, the HDD is toast |
| 08:01.57 | somiaj | Nazara: check out the Inovacation part of man bash. Bash can either be a login shell or an interactive shell. This affects what files bash sources at start. |
| 08:02.52 | somiaj | Nazara: when gnome launches a terminal, the termainls are interactive shells (not login shells) so they don't source .profile |
| 08:03.00 | Nazara | yes I am aware |
| 08:03.15 | Nazara | gnome-shell itself does not have the updated PATH from my custom script |
| 08:03.22 | Nazara | which is sourced by .profile |
| 08:03.34 | somiaj | Nazara: oh you are talking about the gnome session lauchned by gdm? |
| 08:03.36 | Nazara | yes |
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| 08:03.52 | Nazara | I'm pretty sure I have the bash side figured out |
| 08:04.03 | somiaj | Nazara: I am not quite positive on the details of what shell it uses when starting the session. |
| 08:04.09 | Nazara | for some reason the PATH works if set directly in .profile but not in a subscript |
| 08:04.11 | Nazara | hmm |
| 08:04.27 | somiaj | what do you mean by subscript, I think I missed that part. |
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| 08:05.12 | Nazara | cat .profile |
| 08:05.12 | somiaj | Oh I think this may have to do something with variable localization. source may not preserve variables back to the original script (so you can change things for the subscript) |
| 08:05.17 | Nazara | source /home/nroach44/apps/bin/nr44-env |
| 08:05.32 | Nazara | that line works fine in .bashrc |
| 08:05.38 | somiaj | you may have to export PATH inside the source script |
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| 08:06.19 | somiaj | I think you just need to export the variable so it isn't local tot he script you sourced. |
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| 08:07.04 | Nazara | I do, that's the thing |
| 08:07.19 | Nazara | it works fine in a bash login shell OR a normal .bashrc shell |
| 08:07.27 | Nazara | actually let me test that first part |
| 08:08.37 | Nazara | Yes, with the line commented out in .bashrc and it only in .profile it works fine in a TTY login |
| 08:09.02 | hoxu | is there any command to view package versions in different debian releases? |
| 08:09.28 | Nazara | hoxu: if you have the lists in /etc/apt/sources.list use apt-cache policy PKG |
| 08:09.39 | Nazara | it's probably easier to look it up on the debian site though |
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| 08:09.48 | somiaj | Nazara: https://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables -- scroll down to Using graphical display manager, does this sound like the case. it says grapical logins do not read a shells start up files. |
| 08:10.05 | somiaj | hoxu: packages.debian.org |
| 08:10.17 | Nazara | yeah I'm not expecting it to read .bashrc just want to know why .profile aint working |
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| 08:10.43 | Nazara | > Graphical logins do not read a shell's startup files (/etc/profile and ~/.profile |
| 08:10.44 | Nazara | ugh |
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| 08:10.55 | hoxu | somiaj, yes, that but on command line :) |
| 08:10.56 | Nazara | that would have been nice to know years ago |
| 08:11.07 | Nazara | hoxu: see what I said |
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| 08:11.20 | Nazara | the only way for your computer to know is to have all of the lists downloaded |
| 08:11.28 | Nazara | but that is prohibitively complex |
| 08:11.35 | hoxu | Nazara, I'm hoping someone has written a script to parse packages.debian.org or use some other api |
| 08:11.44 | Nazara | that's not a bad idea |
| 08:11.44 | somiaj | hoxu: why are you wanting to view the different versions avaialbe for different releases. You can set up ways to do this, but you don't want to have different releases in your sources.list |
| 08:11.51 | Nazara | but the need isn't really there tbh |
| 08:12.08 | Nazara | I don't know of what you are asking |
| 08:12.34 | somiaj | well there are ways to do it, maybe look into how judd stores a database of different releases. Wonder if apt-file could do that, but I don't know a tool that does that. |
| 08:12.35 | hoxu | mostly because I keep opening packages.debian.org to see... versions of debian packages in different branches |
| 08:13.15 | somiaj | hoxu: any reason, in debain you really just need to know what version is avaialble to be installed. Though apt-cache policy is nice say if you are looking for a backports version |
| 08:13.28 | somiaj | but there are ways to get the database locally, I'm just unusre how difficutl it is |
| 08:13.34 | Nazara | one thing you can do (if you are only looking at two debian releases) is have both sets of lists but have the newer release pinned at a lower priority |
| 08:13.42 | Nazara | that's less complex than having all of them |
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| 08:14.34 | hoxu | I'm not actually entirely sure why I keep opening packages.debian.org. Probably often to check how outdated stable version is |
| 08:15.01 | hoxu | but I guess I could write a simple script to parse it with xml2 |
| 08:15.04 | hoxu | *html2 |
| 08:15.20 | somiaj | hoxu: if you are on irc in #debian, /msg judd v packagename |
| 08:15.23 | somiaj | ,v fvwm |
| 08:15.24 | judd | Package: fvwm on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.5.30.ds-1.1; wheezy-backports: 1:2.6.5.ds-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:2.6.5.ds-3; buster: 1:2.6.7-3; stretch: 1:2.6.7-3; sid: 1:2.6.7-3 |
| 08:15.53 | hoxu | I guess that's the easiest I'll get without scripting :) |
| 08:16.11 | somiaj | judd's source is avaiable, you could see what the bot uses for its database. |
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| 08:17.45 | jmcnaught | hoxu: try the rmadison script in devscripts package |
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| 08:20.01 | hoxu | jmcnaught, perfect. Thanks! I like apt-cache madison already :p |
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| 08:31.41 | CQ | is there a perl 5.26 in backports? |
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| 08:33.12 | jmcnaught | ,v perl |
| 08:33.13 | judd | Package: perl on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.14.2-21+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 5.14.2-21+deb7u5; jessie: 5.20.2-3+deb8u6; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.20.2-3+deb8u7; jessie-security: 5.20.2-3+deb8u7; stretch: 5.24.1-3; buster: 5.24.1-4; sid: 5.24.1-6; experimental: 5.26.0-2 |
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| 08:33.19 | CQ | ... or only in unstable for now? https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=perl |
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| 08:33.46 | jmcnaught | CQ: what's in perl 5.26 that you need? |
| 08:33.59 | CQ | I have a bug that I suspect may be a memory overwriting bug in perl and wanted to test against that |
| 08:34.27 | CQ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25052050/ |
| 08:34.43 | jmcnaught | CQ: your best bet is to try in a chroot or a container if you want to use a newer perl |
| 08:35.01 | CQ | else I'll wait until #perl is busier tomorrow and ask there |
| 08:35.28 | CQ | problem is I can't narrow the bug down to one cause, and I can't get around it either in my code |
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| 08:37.26 | cdb23 | hello guys, a question my debian guest does not use a serial console |
| 08:38.12 | cdb23 | i uncommented GRUB_TERMINAL="serial" and GRUB_SERIAL_COMMAND="serial --speed=9600 --unit=0 --word=8 --parity=no --stop=1" from the /etc/default/grub then updated grub with update-grub |
| 08:38.21 | jmcnaught | CQ: if you have systemd-container and debootstrap installled, you can "cd /var/lib/machines ; debootstrap sid ./perl526 http://deb.debian.org/debian ; systemd-nspawn -U -D ./perl526" to get a shell in a sid container |
| 08:38.37 | cdb23 | if i connect to my guest i see the grub boot menu after debian is loaded i cannot da anything |
| 08:38.57 | cdb23 | graphical interface working but console not |
| 08:39.44 | jmcnaught | CQ: and you can put whatever files you want in /var/lib/machines/perl526 it's just a directory containing a simple debian root. Really easy to go from there to a container you can start and stop with machinectl |
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| 08:46.27 | jmcnaught | cdb23: in my guests in /etc/default/grub i have 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="console=tty0 console=ttyS0"' Also take a look at http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/serial-console.html |
| 08:47.03 | DrBunsen | Hello, I just did a clean install of Debian, but I do not have a need for that gnome software centre, I thinking it was the package "software-center", but it is not called that. Does anyone know the package name? |
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| 08:49.02 | jmcnaught | DrBunsen: you are probably better off leaving gnome-software installed because removing it will also remove the gnome metapackages, which keep all the standard GNOME utilities installed including new ones during a release upgrade |
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| 08:49.37 | DrBunsen | jmcnaught: that doesn't sound sensible, so you say I will have no gnome after deleting it? |
| 08:49.48 | Nazara | somiaj: if you were curious: I needed to put my subscript in .xsessionrc, AND use '. file' not source AND switch my guard clause from [[ ]] to [ ] (because SH seems to be used, not bash) |
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| 08:50.55 | jmcnaught | DrBunsen: try "apt-get -s remove gnome-software" as a regular user (-s is for simulate) and notice that it also removes the gnome, gnome-core, task-gnome-desktop packages. |
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| 08:53.14 | DrBunsen | jmcnaught: you are right, that is not what I expected it to do. Ahh well, as long as it doesn't do anything I am content with it ;) Thanks |
| 08:53.46 | jmcnaught | DrBunsen: I find it useful for upgrading flatpak applications i have installed |
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| 08:59.48 | DrBunsen | jmcnaught: I prefer to see what gets installed or deleted with packages ;) |
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| 09:07.37 | Nazara | hmmm, gdm does parse .profile.... |
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| 09:12.04 | Nazara | okay what the hell |
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| 09:12.59 | Nazara | I had to reboot because gdm3 was caching the environment variables set by a script in .profile |
| 09:13.23 | Nazara | so it was caching ones that were set incorrectly, so my guard variable was set, but not my path |
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| 09:34.29 | guardian | I'm transitioning from squeeze to jessie (yeah I know...) -- What's the proper way to create /var/run/php5-fpm (where I put 1 socket per user) at boot? I tried to add RuntimeDirectory=php5-fpm in the service file without success |
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| 09:37.59 | klys | guardian, what package is that a part of? |
| 09:39.17 | guardian | php5-fpm |
| 09:39.29 | guardian | which doesn't by default create a php5-fpm in /run |
| 09:39.49 | guardian | but I found my way out, had to systemctl daemon-reload |
| 09:40.00 | guardian | I'm so unfamiliar with systemd :/ |
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| 09:44.19 | sistematico | Hello all |
| 09:44.26 | sistematico | Is it mandatory and/or recommended for a Debian Developer to use Debian as the primary OS? |
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| 09:48.16 | themill | guardian: did you upgrade to wheezy in between? |
| 09:49.02 | guardian | yep |
| 09:49.31 | guardian | typo, it's a box that began its life as squeeze, then got upgraded to wheezy. And now I'm doing wheezy --> jessie --> stretch |
| 09:50.07 | metax | sistematico, nope |
| 09:50.40 | guardian | comparing a jessie box with similar packages installed to the current box that went squeeze --> wheezy --> jessie ; there are so many different files I'm wondering whether I should start fresh |
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| 09:51.56 | sistematico | metax, thank you |
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| 10:02.04 | themill | sistematico: it's hard to test things if you don't use them though |
| 10:02.38 | metax | he can use in a VM |
| 10:02.52 | themill | guardian: jessieâstretch is quite a process for your php things. It would possibly be easier to ignore getting php working for the intermediate releases and deal with them at the end |
| 10:03.21 | metax | if developing is not related to hardware drivers or something |
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| 10:05.39 | knstn | Hey, how i can search for a distro/kernel version that uses Upstart and another with SysV strictly? |
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| 10:07.19 | bazhang | distrowatch.com knstn |
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| 10:09.27 | metax | yeah systemd sucks |
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| 10:11.39 | knstn | ehm, i'm actually study for sysadmin so i need knowledge of all three |
| 10:11.59 | bazhang | knstn, so thats the place to go |
| 10:12.19 | bazhang | distrowatch.com |
| 10:13.52 | knstn | i found it, thanks |
| 10:13.59 | bazhang | np |
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| 10:30.17 | knstn | hmm, slackware for sysv (lxc container) and for upstart i need previous kernel versions like centos 6 |
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| 10:39.07 | guardian | themill: yeah I barely scratched the surface. It seems going from php 5 to 7 is going to be all uphill and some users' scripts (for which I'm not responsible are going to break) |
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| 10:40.22 | BluesKaj | Hi all |
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| 10:52.12 | knstn | debian wheezy was on sysV? |
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| 10:57.56 | teraflops | knstn: https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#systemd |
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| 11:01.30 | wodim | hello, when I turn on my computer, it gets stuck trying to get a dhcp lease from my ethernet interface, but the cable isn't even connected. how do I avoid that? |
| 11:01.49 | wodim | I use networkmanager |
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| 11:05.10 | knstn | systemctl stop networkmanager.service & systemctl disable networkmanager.service (run start & enable if you ever connect the cable again) |
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| 11:05.36 | wodim | no, I want to use networkmanager. I use it for my wireless connection |
| 11:05.46 | wodim | I just don't want it to try and get a dhcp lease from my ethernet port |
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| 11:05.52 | wodim | at least not when there isn't even a cable connected to it... |
| 11:06.16 | wodim | oh, wait. I just noticed something. it's not networkmanager doing that |
| 11:06.20 | knstn | disable the port? |
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| 11:06.28 | wodim | so maybe it's in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:06.32 | wodim | I'll check that out. |
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| 11:08.42 | wodim | yes... it's defined there, as dhcp. I still don't understand why does it try to get a lease if the cable isn't connected |
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| 11:09.05 | wodim | guess I'll just remove the interface from there, because I'd like to be able to use the ethernet port from networkmanager |
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| 11:40.51 | guardian | when preparing jessie --> stretch, aptitude search '~i(!~ODebian)' lists libmariadbclient18. However, purging it wants to uninstall exim4, logwatch, php5-mysql and others. The problem is that I don't understand how they relate to each other |
| 11:41.31 | guardian | (I used to get mariadb 5.5 from their repository on wheezy, and I'm transitioning to mariadb 10.0 from jessie) |
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| 11:43.56 | nkuttler | guardian: is your goal to upgrade without interrupting operations? |
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| 11:44.39 | nkuttler | ,v libmariadbclient18 |
| 11:44.40 | judd | Package: libmariadbclient18 on amd64 -- stretch: 10.1.23-9+deb9u1; sid: 10.1.24-6; buster: 10.1.24-6 |
| 11:44.48 | guardian | well I'm following the wheezy --> jessie --> stretch upgrade steps on a replica before trying in production |
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| 11:45.05 | guardian | I quite don't undertsand how I got libmariadbclient18 since it doesn't exist in jessie |
| 11:45.13 | nkuttler | guardian: you might be able to install the stretch package first |
| 11:45.18 | nkuttler | guardian: from "their repo"? |
| 11:45.27 | nkuttler | guardian: apt-cache policy libmariadbclient18 |
| 11:45.30 | guardian | yep but form their repo, I used mariadb 5.5 |
| 11:45.50 | guardian | then I removed their source, before going through the wheezy --> jessie upgrade, then dist-upgrade |
| 11:46.22 | vagvaf | hello people, i just installed debian 9. I am trying to access the root account with "su -" and when I insert my password i get an authentication failure. I have reinstalled debian 3 times to check that ii've put the right passwd. Am I accessing root wrongly ? |
| 11:46.22 | guardian | hmm indeed last installed on wheezy is +libmariadbclient18 5.5.56+maria-1~wheezy |
| 11:46.41 | nkuttler | guardian: wait so that box is still on wheezy? |
| 11:46.50 | guardian | no it's on jessie already |
| 11:46.53 | hanshenrik | i have installed a very minimal version of lxde, > apt install --no-install-recommends lxde-core lxde-common; apt install lxdm xserver-xorg-video-dummy; apt remove --purge lightdm; apt install firefox-esr; |
| 11:47.05 | guardian | nkuttler: +libmariadbclient18 5.5.56+maria-1~wheezy is when I look at etckeeper git log on the production box which is untouched |
| 11:47.08 | hanshenrik | now firefox doesn't know what application to open folders in (as in "view this file in the download folder" |
| 11:47.09 | nkuttler | guardian: yeah, i'd try to just install libmariadbclient18 from stretch first then |
| 11:47.23 | hanshenrik | i thought it was pcmanfm, but turns out, if you give pcmanfm a directory argument, it does... nothing |
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| 11:47.29 | at0m | vagvaf: do you type the root pass? sudo ask you to enter the user pw, su asks the root paw |
| 11:47.35 | at0m | password |
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| 11:47.38 | hanshenrik | however, if you dont give it any arguments, it starts a folder view in the current working dir |
| 11:47.50 | hanshenrik | anyone know what the correct program is? |
| 11:48.13 | guardian | nkuttler: do you happen to know why libmariadbclient18 doesn't exist in jessie, while mariadb-server-10.0 exists in jessie |
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| 11:48.38 | at0m | vagvaf: another common failure is wrong keyb setup, either during installation when setting up root pass, or after installation |
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| 11:49.51 | vagvaf | at0m, thanks. i will make sure everything is set up correctly. |
| 11:50.07 | nkuttler | guardian: might have been included in another package |
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| 11:50.30 | guardian | nkuttler: ok I'll leave it alone and start the upgrade |
| 11:50.42 | at0m | vagvaf: and you can change the root pw without reinstalling. boot from installer medium, chroot to your installed disk, and passwd there |
| 11:51.08 | vagvaf | at0m thanks |
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| 12:04.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi peeps |
| 12:04.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i got some questions on chromium |
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| 12:05.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | how bad does it spy on me in debian? |
| 12:05.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | is it as bad a chrome? |
| 12:05.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | firefox is pissing me off so much i am considering moving to chromium, i am tired of the stutter and slowness |
| 12:05.47 | darkenergy | As far as I know, it calls home google frequently. |
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| 12:05.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | can I block it? |
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| 12:07.53 | darkenergy | I've tested it. I disabled all settings that use Google services. Even then, it calls home. You can probably block it using hosts file but it can be hard. |
| 12:08.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | mmm |
| 12:08.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | is firefox anybetter? |
| 12:08.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | if i could get it to stop stuttering on youtube.. and lagging |
| 12:09.42 | hexhaxtron | Hi! I just installed Debian and on the very first boot I get: error: file '/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not fonud |
| 12:09.45 | hexhaxtron | not found |
| 12:09.53 | hexhaxtron | What should I do? |
| 12:09.54 | tomreyn | in terms of privacy, it can be, but they're also moving away from privacy slowly, embedding remotely hosted 'snippets' on their start page by default, sending crash reports by default, encouraging to send 'telemetry' data |
| 12:10.06 | tomreyn | Eryn_1983_FL: ^ |
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| 12:10.12 | darkenergy | I use firefox now. It is laggy but because of privacy I use it. |
| 12:10.16 | nkuttler | hexhaxtron: that doesn't sound right. does the machine still boot? |
| 12:10.17 | Mathisen | Eryn_1983_FL, take a look @ https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium |
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| 12:10.41 | hexhaxtron | nkuttler: it doesn't boot... I get a 'grub rescue>' prompt. |
| 12:10.59 | tomreyn | Eryn_1983_FL: most of the time it gets laggy is because you installed extensions which slow it down. try creating a new profile or just restart with extensions disabled once to check the difference. |
| 12:11.07 | nkuttler | hexhaxtron: sounds like you'll have to boot from your install media and put the file there |
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| 12:11.21 | hexhaxtron | nkuttler: can you help me doing that? |
| 12:11.31 | nkuttler | hexhaxtron: check the install manual for rescue mode |
| 12:11.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 12:12.17 | nkuttler | hexhaxtron: as for the files, not sure. maybe try running grub-install |
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| 12:12.55 | afidegnum | how do i send test mail from my ssh? using exim4? i can login to my account but can't send mail |
| 12:13.14 | nkuttler | afidegnum: well, have you configured exim to send out emails? |
| 12:13.28 | afidegnum | yes |
| 12:13.37 | nkuttler | afidegnum: check the logs |
| 12:14.14 | afidegnum | i tried a test mail and it send to my externail mail account using account@address.dns.net |
| 12:14.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | its the extensions |
| 12:14.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | wtf |
| 12:15.53 | tomreyn | Eryn_1983_FL: now you need to find out which of the extensions causes the problems. often the web developer console will log errors about misbehaving extensions. also, there are about: pages you can access to view some hints on what consumes resources. |
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| 12:17.46 | tomreyn | some extensions use outdated ways of talking to firefox, those can be inefficient and slow FF down. also, if you have not much RAM, extensions which store a lot of data in memory (such as those storing whitelists and blacklists) can pose problems. |
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| 12:22.21 | afidegnum | 2017-07-09 14:17:07 1dUB99-0005P3-Hz <= root@static.29.58.243.136.clients.your-server.de U=root P=local S=379 |
| 12:22.30 | afidegnum | 2017-07-09 14:17:07 1dUB99-0005P3-Hz => info <info@newgracefoundgh.org> R=vdomain T=vmail |
| 12:22.34 | afidegnum | 2017-07-09 14:17:07 1dUB99-0005P3-Hz Completed |
| 12:22.40 | afidegnum | nkuttler: that's the log |
| 12:25.08 | nkuttler | afidegnum: that looks like it's sent out |
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| 12:26.15 | jelly | transport vmail sounds like something local |
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| 12:26.46 | jelly | afidegnum, is this very system configured to accept mail for newgracefoundgh.org domain |
| 12:26.55 | jelly | clueless about exim |
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| 12:26.57 | hexhaxtron | nkuttler: I'm in the Rescue Mode. I just need to do grub-install /dev/sda ? |
| 12:27.40 | SuperTramp83 | Firefox on a 10 yrs old laptop here, smooth as butter, the only addons installed are noscript, ublock origin and httpseverywhere. Seamonkey is smoother though. You might want to check that one, Eryn_1983_FL |
| 12:27.41 | afidegnum | yes |
| 12:27.43 | afidegnum | jelly: yes |
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| 12:30.53 | nkuttler | hexhaxtron: and check if that puts the files there. |
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| 12:48.04 | wr | debian jessie, wanna make a wlan0 wireless bridge to ethernet, was looking for some guidance on this |
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| 12:50.25 | at0m | wr: look for hostapd |
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| 12:50.45 | at0m | its homepage has a guide |
| 12:51.06 | wr | at0m, have seen info on that, but miss more steps |
| 12:52.07 | wr | at0m, will i be able to do this too on GUI? |
| 12:52.37 | at0m | my 2 cents: root has no business on a desktop whatsoever. |
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| 12:53.45 | rapha | Hi! |
| 12:54.03 | rapha | Are there any Debian .iso files that will work for 32-bit UEFI on an otherwise 64-bit machine? |
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| 12:54.49 | rapha | (I've tried with debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso which only has an efi/boot/bootx64.efi file and is not recognized by the tablet's UEFI. |
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| 12:58.12 | wr | at0m, to do this will have to disable the network-manager, hostapd wont use because of the bridge, right? |
| 12:58.54 | Robby | rapha: Have you searched the interwebz? A quick search led me to this page: https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI#Support_for_mixed-mode_systems:_64-bit_system_with_32-bit_UEFI |
| 12:59.43 | Robby | so debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso should do just fine, provided you follow the instructions at the link I gave you |
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| 12:59.47 | rapha | Robby: yes, I came here after that page was not helpful. |
| 13:00.24 | rapha | Robby: basically, it says there that it should work. But then the .iso would have to have a bootia32.efi file next to the bootx64.efi file. Which it doesn't. So I'm wondering if that page is out of date... |
| 13:00.45 | at0m | wr: i have no idea about network manager, i don't use it |
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| 13:01.58 | Robby | rapha: I don't know, I'm not sure on the way Debian implemented it, but maybe you can just try to install it regardless |
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| 13:02.16 | wr | at0m, i have seen this link http://blog.ithasu.org/2016/10/using-a-raspberry-pi-3-as-a-wifi-access-point-and-bridge/, thing is that i receive the conection from a FON Ap on the debian jessie |
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| 13:02.34 | Robby | but wait, that page does specifically say "multi-arch installation media" |
| 13:02.47 | Robby | the amd64 iso isn't multi-arch |
| 13:03.14 | rapha | Robby: I know, and that makes sense. But I can't for the life of me find a multi-arch-netboot image :-( |
| 13:03.26 | Robby | let me see if i can |
| 13:03.28 | rapha | (https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/debian-installer/ _should_ be the right location, correct?) |
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| 13:03.48 | Robby | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-9.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:03.50 | Robby | there ya go |
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| 13:04.05 | Robby | that should be the correct one |
| 13:04.38 | rapha | Oh wow! |
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| 13:04.42 | rapha | Thanks Robby :) |
| 13:04.44 | rapha | downloads |
| 13:04.50 | Robby | np :) |
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| 13:09.14 | joe_123 | hi everyone does anybody had problem runnin tor browser on debian ? I downloaded it from the offical website and when i try to run in throught the terminal it just quits. htop shows that there are some tor browser processes runnin but nothing seems to show up. I waited a couple minutes. |
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| 13:11.06 | Robby | rapha: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/debian-installer/ is indeed the correct one |
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| 13:11.39 | Robby | under the "netinst CD image (generally 150-280 MB)" there is indeed no link for multi-arch |
| 13:11.59 | Robby | but right under it, under "full CD sets", there is one |
| 13:12.03 | hicks__ | joe_123: try launching it by double clicking the "Tor Browser" launcher in the root of the extracted folder. |
| 13:12.03 | Robby | "multi-arch" |
| 13:12.33 | hicks__ | if that works, look at what launch options it uses and you should be able to run that from the terminal. |
| 13:12.36 | Robby | clicking that will bring you to the multi-arch netinst iso I linked |
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| 13:14.10 | joe_123 | hicks__, i tried it as well nothing happens and when i try to launch it again it says that there is already one running. Htop shows that there is but as i said i waited like 5 minutes and nothing |
| 13:15.43 | hicks__ | Have you tried it after killing everything tor related (or restarting)? it could be a failed terminal launch left some things running that it now bails out |
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| 13:17.03 | joe_123 | hicks__, well i killed all the processes but i did not try restarting the machine perhaps that will help |
| 13:17.18 | hicks__ | worth a try incase there's a process missed. |
| 13:17.31 | senorpepe | # TOR BROWSER |
| 13:17.31 | senorpepe | curl "https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x4E2C6E8793298290" -o - | gpg --import |
| 13:17.31 | senorpepe | #gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 0x4E2C6E8793298290 |
| 13:17.31 | senorpepe | gpg --fingerprint 0x4E2C6E8793298290 |
| 13:17.31 | senorpepe | wget https://www.torproject.org/dist/torbrowser/7.0.2/tor-browser-linux64-7.0.2_en-US.tar.xz.asc |
| 13:17.53 | joe_123 | yeah it could be i will try it in a moment anyway thanks for the help :) |
| 13:18.18 | afidegnum | hello, i just apply new firewall settings and COMIT at the end, how do i let the new rules take effect immediately? |
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| 13:21.01 | joe_123 | afidegnum, iptables-restore < firewall |
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| 13:21.49 | afidegnum | joe_123: restore? |
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| 13:23.03 | joe_123 | afidegnum, you typed the setting in terminal or in a text file ? if in a text file you need to load them with iptables-restore from file so iptables can apply them. If you used the terminal its already applied |
| 13:23.36 | afidegnum | ok |
| 13:24.35 | joe_123 | afidegnum, you can check if it worked with iptables -L |
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| 13:24.55 | rapha | Robby: and it booted! :-) |
| 13:25.06 | joe_123 | remember the rules will reset when you turn off your machine |
| 13:25.19 | rapha | Robby: I kept digging some more and found the holy grail: netboot-multi-arch-with-firmware. |
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| 13:25.47 | afidegnum | joe_123: it works |
| 13:26.15 | joe_123 | afidegnum, im glad to hear that :) |
| 13:26.16 | afidegnum | i generated a tls servificate on my exim4 but i m facing this error A TLS fatal alert has been received.: CA is unknown |
| 13:26.24 | afidegnum | how do i fix it please? |
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| 13:47.32 | Robby | rapha: cool, glad it works now :) |
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| 13:51.14 | nkuttler | HyP3r: nobody maintained it |
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| 13:52.01 | HyP3r | nkuttler: wat? |
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| 13:55.48 | rapha | Robby: unfortunately I've hit the next roadblock. Debian doesn't come with WiFi drivers for an rtl8723bs and there's *only* netinst images for multi-arch apparently. |
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| 13:56.14 | nkuttler | rapha: drivers, or firmware? |
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| 13:56.17 | rapha | Robby: (the full CD multi-arch link links to a netinsta image) |
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| 13:56.34 | rapha | nkuttler: drivers. They need to be compiled manually from 200~https://github.com/hadess/rtl8723bs. |
| 13:56.46 | Robby | rapha: did you try this one? https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.0.0+nonfree/multi-arch/iso-cd/firmware-9.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:56.53 | nkuttler | oh well. get a cable :) |
| 13:57.47 | rapha | nkuttler: not so easy plugging an RJ45 plug into a micro-USB port. |
| 13:58.13 | rapha | (I don't own a USB network card plus it's Sunday) |
| 13:59.47 | nkuttler | rapha: i guess you'll have to build your own installer? |
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| 14:00.08 | rapha | nkuttler: Why, if there's a non-netinsta ISO? |
| 14:00.10 | nkuttler | rapha: try asking in #debian-boot on oftc, perhaps you can just compile the module somewhere else and load it during install |
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| 14:00.29 | rapha | Oh. Didn't know about that. |
| 14:00.30 | nkuttler | rapha: or that |
| 14:00.31 | Robby | rapha: is firmware-9.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso the one you tried? |
| 14:00.47 | rapha | Robby: yes, that's the one I tried. |
| 14:01.03 | rapha | Robby: there's no binary versions of that driver for any distro as far as I can tell. |
| 14:01.05 | nkuttler | if the module is not in mainline kernel it won't be in the installer |
| 14:01.22 | rapha | nkuttler: ##debian-boot is empty except for ChanBot. |
| 14:01.26 | rapha | ChanServ* |
| 14:01.27 | nkuttler | rapha: oftc |
| 14:01.27 | Robby | oh ok, yeah, then I don't know anymore |
| 14:01.31 | rapha | Oh |
| 14:01.43 | Robby | you may indeed try asking over at oftc |
| 14:01.46 | rapha | I will! |
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| 14:04.00 | rapha | Hmm |
| 14:04.05 | hexhaxtron | I just have a fresh install of Debian but I don't have Internet... What should I do? |
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| 14:04.25 | rapha | I guess I could just install from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/8.8.0/multi-arch/iso-dvd/debian-8.8.0-i386-amd64-source-DVD-1.iso, compile the WiFi driver, upgrade to Stretch, compile it again. |
| 14:04.37 | Robby | rapha: you may need https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/stretch/current/firmware.tar.gz |
| 14:04.57 | Robby | you should be able to feed that tarball (or extract its contents first) to the debian 9 installer |
| 14:05.12 | Robby | I see it does contain some rtl8723 stuff |
| 14:05.38 | rapha | Robby: it looks like it actually boots without unfree firmware. The rtl8723 stuff you see is not for rtl8723bs, but rtl8723bt. |
| 14:06.01 | mtn | hexhaxtron, wireless or ethernet? |
| 14:06.08 | Robby | yeah, I see different rtl8723 files in it |
| 14:06.10 | hexhaxtron | mtn: wireless. |
| 14:06.15 | rapha | Robby: plus, jackpot! :) - https://gemmei.ftp.acc.umu.se/cdimage/stretch_di_rc5/multi-arch/iso-dvd/debian-stretch-DI-rc5-i386-amd64-source-DVD-1.iso |
| 14:06.33 | mtn | hexhaxtron, what is the wifi card/chip? |
| 14:07.00 | hexhaxtron | mtn: Qualcomm Atheros |
| 14:07.15 | hexhaxtron | AR9565 |
| 14:07.26 | mtn | hexhaxtron, either install the firmware or use the installer that comes with firmware |
| 14:07.42 | hexhaxtron | mtn: do I need Rescue Mode/ |
| 14:07.43 | hexhaxtron | ? |
| 14:07.51 | dvs | !ath9k |
| 14:07.52 | dpkg | ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from userspace. See https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k for more information and supported devices. For Atheros 802.11n USB device support, ask me about <ath9k_htc>, <carl9170>. |
| 14:08.03 | Robby | it contains rtl8723aufw_A.bin, rtl8723aufw_B.bin, rtl8723aufw_B_NoBT.bin, rtl8723befw.bin, rtl8723bu_nic.bin, rtl8723fw.bin and rtl8723fw_B.bin |
| 14:08.08 | Robby | but not a "bs" one |
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| 14:08.21 | mtn | hexhaxtron, see what dpkg just posted |
| 14:08.45 | Robby | I was hoping the last two would be more generic or something and work with "bs" version but maybe not |
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| 14:09.56 | Robby | oh in another folder it has rtl8723a_fw.bin and rtl8723b_fw.bin too |
| 14:09.59 | Robby | ahwell.... |
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| 14:10.53 | Robby | anyway, I need to go now, good luck :) |
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| 14:12.04 | rapha | Robby: all those were on the original iso you helped me find and I manually tried them all. So, no ;) ... but because of you I was able to boot this thing for the first time, so thank you a lot! :) |
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| 14:30.33 | KMGTB | hello |
| 14:30.58 | KMGTB | is here someone with a experiance about clonezilla? |
| 14:31.38 | dvs | !ask |
| 14:31.38 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:32.00 | at0m | !anyone |
| 14:32.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 14:33.55 | KMGTB | I installed a DRBL Server on Debian 8.8 and everything works well. But everytime i have to setup clonezilla for the task i want to run. I want to setup the server in this way that always is shown the entry of clonezilla in the boot menu of the clients. |
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| 14:36.58 | dvs | That's way over my head |
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| 14:40.22 | KMGTB | what? |
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| 14:47.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps how do i find out my model number for mobo ? |
| 14:47.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | i need to get the driver packet for windows... |
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| 14:50.23 | BluesKaj | Eryn_1983_FL, ask in #windows |
| 14:51.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | windows wont tell me |
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| 14:51.29 | BluesKaj | depends, are you on debian? |
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| 14:54.57 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Eryn_1983_FL about what's my hardware |
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| 14:55.19 | BluesKaj | sudo dmidecode | more |
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| 15:27.35 | guest2219 | Installed Tor Browser Bundle (from Tor Project). How can I get a launcher icon to show up like other aplications, on Gnome 3? |
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| 15:28.53 | whirlyNerd | For those in the DC area, there will be a [belated] Stretch release party on 17 July: https://www.facebook.com/events/189362604928667/ |
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| 15:30.13 | abrotman | guest2219: launcher where? |
| 15:31.19 | guest2219 | In the collection of startup icons at the bottom of the Gnome 3 left-side pop-out menu (9 dots). |
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| 15:38.12 | abrotman | guest2219: where did you instlal it to? |
| 15:38.57 | guest2219 | abrotman: /home/user/tor-browser_en-US/start-tor-browser.desktop |
| 15:40.12 | guest2219 | abrotman: /home/user/tor-browser_en-US/, have to select start-tor-browser.desktop to start tor browser. |
| 15:40.41 | abrotman | you could try a symlink |
| 15:41.15 | guest2219 | abrotman: symlink to where? |
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| 16:04.36 | abrotman | guest2219: to a normal directory |
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| 16:05.48 | kankusht | good afternoon |
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| 16:05.58 | kankusht | is there anybody here? |
| 16:06.45 | kankusht | does anyone know anything about VOIP? |
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| 16:09.53 | guest2219 | abrotman: Okay, I'll give it a try. Thanks. |
| 16:11.40 | SuperTramp83 | kankusht, just ask your question. Don't ask to ask. :) |
| 16:11.56 | kankusht | ok |
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| 16:14.37 | kankusht | I have an IP telephony network disigned in cisco packet tracer for a University project, the simulation works perfect but I want to know how the IP telephones will receive calls from PSTN phones. Could anyone help me with that please? |
| 16:16.44 | JPT | You may probably need to use a "Session Border Controller" that basically translates between these two worlds. Not an expert though. |
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| 16:39.26 | afidegnum | i tried the test exim -v postmaster@your.domain.example mail is confirmed sent but it doesn't get delivered |
| 16:39.43 | afidegnum | port 25 is opened |
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| 16:56.54 | kankusht | is there any IRC channel related to VOIP? |
| 16:57.42 | LtL | kankusht: use alis to search, /msg alis help |
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| 17:17.12 | derkaderka | hi guys, Im installing nvidia card as I always do on debian, but this time on buster. For some reason it seems that fails. "modprobe nvidia" fails with nvidia-current not found in directory |
| 17:17.50 | Scuttle | isn't nvidia in non-free? |
| 17:17.59 | derkaderka | yes |
| 17:18.11 | Scuttle | and you have that repo in apt.sources? |
| 17:18.16 | derkaderka | sure |
| 17:18.30 | derkaderka | hm, seems like there is no kernel-headers for this kernel version or something like that |
| 17:18.50 | Scuttle | oh, you're running buster, sorry, still on jessie :) |
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| 17:19.20 | derkaderka | clean install of buster :) |
| 17:22.11 | derkaderka | hm, strange, I purged nvidia-drivers and tried again. I get this message when aptitude install nvidia-driver |
| 17:22.14 | derkaderka | " linux-headers-amd64 : Depends: linux-headers-4.9.0-3-amd64 which is a virtual package and is not provided by any available package" |
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| 17:26.11 | derkaderka | downloaded and dpkg -i'd headers from stretch, installing again |
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| 17:28.46 | L3gacy | Good bacon to all and to all some good bacon! |
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| 17:34.00 | derkaderka | ok, this is a fail it seems. |
| 17:34.04 | derkaderka | aptitude install linux-headers-amd64 |
| 17:34.14 | derkaderka | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.21 | derkaderka | oh well. |
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| 17:37.12 | LtL | derkaderka: linux-headers-4.9.0-3-amd64 |
| 17:37.19 | derkaderka | seems like installing 4.11.0-1-amd64 fixed it |
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| 17:37.45 | derkaderka | LtL: probably missing in the repos I used or something |
| 17:39.29 | LtL | derkaderka: you might need a deb-src line in the sources.list, not sure |
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| 17:41.19 | derkaderka | headers were in place for next kernel at least :) why it was missing for that kernel, I have no idea. |
| 17:41.29 | derkaderka | "Building initial module for 4.11.0-1-amd64" promising |
| 17:42.31 | LtL | derkaderka: are you using buster? |
| 17:42.32 | derkaderka | ahh, modprobed it and it works, yay |
| 17:43.13 | derkaderka | yep, upgraded from clean install - stretch, so could be related maybe. |
| 17:43.38 | derkaderka | but should then install new kernel when dist-upgrading I suppose |
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| 17:53.22 | pie3 | anyone uses wake-on-lan? |
| 17:53.31 | pie3 | does it work in wifi? |
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| 17:59.49 | Walakea | is there any standard way to get a wifi driver for my Mediatek MT7630E card? currently i am using unofficial driver that works for jessie but i am afraid of what happens when i upgrade to stretch |
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| 18:00.14 | pie3 | what is that card for? Walakea |
| 18:00.25 | Walakea | wifi card |
| 18:00.45 | Walakea | i am using this driver: https://github.com/neurobin/MT7630E/ |
| 18:01.26 | Walakea | as far as i know, it contains official Mediatek binary-only firmware + GPLed driver |
| 18:01.33 | LtL | Walakea: do you have the usbid for it? 'lsusb -v' looks like this xxxx:xxxx in hex |
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| 18:03.11 | Walakea | Bus 001 Device 008: ID 0e8d:763f MediaTek Inc. |
| 18:03.11 | Walakea | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.18 | LtL | ,pciid 0cf3:9271 |
| 18:05.19 | judd | [0cf3:9271] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=0cf3:9271 |
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| 18:05.50 | LtL | Walakea: thats a USB device, i don't know how to get that from judd |
| 18:06.05 | Walakea | other than from the name "Mediatek" i cannot know if this is the wifi card |
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| 18:06.36 | LtL | Walakea: pci or usb |
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| 18:07.09 | Walakea | i am not sure, the card is integrated, not external |
| 18:07.28 | Walakea | 03:00.0 Network controller: MEDIATEK Corp. MT7630e 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter |
| 18:07.35 | LtL | Walakea: likely pci and likely has no known driver |
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| 18:08.35 | Walakea | i wanted to ask if there is any firmare in Debian non-free that might do a better job than the one i am currently using |
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| 18:09.52 | Walakea | also, they claim to support Linux up to 4.8, while Stretch uses 4.9, i think it will work, but still |
| 18:10.40 | gvo | I have a lan with a mixture of Linux systems, Ubuntu, Mint, Centos and Debian. For some reason a newly installed Debian 8 system cannot see a openvz container running Debian 7 but others on the lan can. No firewall on the D7 system. I get Host unreachable from ping or ssh. |
| 18:10.49 | LtL | Walakea: mediatek offers drivers for ubuntu and mint, no info about debian that i can find |
| 18:11.22 | Walakea | the official webpage for my model is no longer availible |
| 18:11.35 | Walakea | for about 2 years by now |
| 18:13.00 | gvo | Walakea: Dongles are pretty cheap if you can't find a driver. |
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| 18:14.30 | Walakea | heard about that, next time i am buying laptop i know what i will look for |
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| 18:24.29 | Rudde | Hello |
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| 18:24.57 | Rudde | My server have a dependency on a mount of a disk that seems to have gone bad |
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| 18:25.11 | Rudde | How do I boot my server even if that mount dependency is not met? |
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| 18:32.28 | gvo | Is that an important disk? Like / or /boot? |
| 18:33.31 | Rudde | Nah |
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| 18:33.33 | Rudde | just storage |
| 18:33.47 | Rudde | But figured out it got solved if I commented it out in fstab :P |
| 18:33.56 | gvo | OK boot single user and edit /etc/fstab and comment out the bad line. |
| 18:34.13 | gvo | OK good |
| 18:34.20 | Rudde | Anything I can tag it as do it's not a boot dependancy? |
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| 18:34.34 | Rudde | I would rather have my system boot and send me an email or something then just not boot at all |
| 18:34.48 | gvo | Put noauto on the line and then try to manually mount it. |
| 18:35.46 | gvo | Write a bash script to test if it mounted OK and if not send email. Put the script in /etc/rc.local |
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| 18:36.14 | gvo | I don't know of anything automatic, however. |
| 18:36.29 | Rudde | yeah, but I want it to mount if it can mount it, but if it can't then go ahead and boot anyway |
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| 18:37.37 | gvo | I don't know how to do it during boot, but if you put the script in rc.local it will try to mount and if it fails then it tells you, otherwise the fs is mounted by the scrip. |
| 18:37.42 | gvo | Script |
| 18:38.24 | gvo | rc.local gets run immediately after boot. |
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| 18:39.18 | Rudde | I remember having this issue as a kid |
| 18:39.30 | Rudde | I literally reinstalled debian because I did not know how to figure out what was wrong |
| 18:39.59 | gvo | I think I've done that a time or two in the hazy past. |
| 18:40.07 | Memphis | hello, whats the command to execute programme (in bash script) in new workspace ? |
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| 18:44.17 | humbot | i think nowait instead of noauto in fstab |
| 18:44.53 | gvo | That'll probably work too, but does it notify the user upon failure? |
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| 18:46.11 | gvo | Memphis: Take a look at wmctrl |
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| 18:51.54 | MarioMey | Hello, there. To compile Blender, I need libopenjpeg-dev... but I see that it is in sid (unstable) repositories... is it safe to install that repository? I installed Debian 9 one or two weeks ago. |
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| 18:54.36 | nkuttler | ,v libopenjpeg-dev... |
| 18:54.38 | judd | No package named 'libopenjpeg-dev...' was found in amd64. |
| 18:54.39 | nkuttler | ,v libopenjpeg-dev |
| 18:54.40 | judd | Package: libopenjpeg-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3+dfsg-4.8; wheezy-security: 1.3+dfsg-4.8; jessie: 1:1.5.2-3 |
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| 18:55.09 | nkuttler | MarioMey: that doesn't sound right |
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| 18:55.26 | nkuttler | MarioMey: apt-cache policy libopenjpeg-dev |
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| 18:58.39 | Memphis | thanks for wmctrl @gvo |
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| 19:05.05 | Aebian | where are ptr records proccessed? On the dns server side? I mean I know my datacenter needs to set it but are there bound to their nameservers or could I still use googles? |
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| 19:06.49 | missmbob | google.domails lets them run everything for you |
| 19:06.55 | missmbob | domains* |
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| 19:12.03 | SuperTramp83 | Walakea, wow, that's some adapter :/ Get a dongle or an internal one, they are very cheap. https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/mediatek |
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| 19:14.10 | Walakea | SuperTramp83: is the one i have especially bad in terms of avalible drivers? |
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| 19:14.45 | teraflops | Aebian: if your IP provider and DNS provider are the same it's fine but, if not, the ptr must be set by your IP provider |
| 19:14.49 | SuperTramp83 | Walakea, it is listed under 'unsupported chips' so.. yeah |
| 19:15.44 | dpyro | hi, i'm trying to setup a debian server with a gnome DE using the propriety nvidia-driver for cuda processing. lga 1151, celeron with integrated graphics connected to display, 3x nvidia 1080ti (pascal). adding the nonfree repos and installing nvidia-driver results in "oh no, something has gone wrong" after a restart even when I remove all the nvidia cards from the motherboard. kernel is ~4.9, nvidia-driver is ~375. Any tips? Thanks in |
| 19:15.44 | dpyro | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.54 | Aebian | well the dns a-record points to my servers ip which is also my debian hostname. But it seems not to work. maybe I need to ask my datacenter operator again to check the ptr record |
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| 19:15.59 | SuperTramp83 | Walakea, On many laptops replacing the wifi adapter is piece of cake. On many other's it is not. So, if you can take a look under the hood and see. |
| 19:16.00 | Walakea | SuperTramp83: how many unsupported wifi chips are there? (percentage) give your best guess |
| 19:16.13 | Aebian | eh I mean the dns (domain) is my hostname not the ip |
| 19:16.28 | SuperTramp83 | Walakea, no idea. 30% ? |
| 19:16.34 | Walakea | i bet i could, but i don't really want to |
| 19:16.44 | BluesKaj | dpyro, install nvidia-detect and dkms |
| 19:16.59 | dpyro | BluesKaj: what does nvidia-detect do? |
| 19:17.07 | teraflops | Aebian: you asked where PTR are set. |
| 19:17.29 | Walakea | SuperTramp83: i even have unused NVidia card (940M) which is just a little better than integrated Intel GPU |
| 19:17.49 | Aebian | yeah I do because I wasn't sure |
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| 19:17.55 | Aebian | *did |
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| 19:18.12 | dpyro | the owner of the IP address usually sets the PTR record |
| 19:18.16 | Walakea | i still needed to install bbswitch to disable it so it doesn't take my battery time |
| 19:18.28 | teraflops | Aebian: yeah and I told you |
| 19:19.21 | BluesKaj | dpyro, it finds the correct nvidia driver for your gpu |
| 19:19.21 | SuperTramp83 | Walakea, the situation with the hardware as we know is not bright. This is why you should check 3 times wifi and GPU before buying. Take a look at thinkpenguin or technoetic, they sell wifi dongles that are guaranteed to work without any proprietary firmware at all. |
| 19:19.25 | dpyro | my worry is that just having the driver installed causes the "something is wrong" |
| 19:19.37 | dpyro | regardless of having any nvidia cards plugged in |
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| 19:20.36 | dpyro | i'll try apt-get purging all the nvidia and see if i can start with just nvidia-detect |
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| 19:21.25 | Walakea | SuperTramp83: i learned that the hard way (not really, Debian works really well for me) |
| 19:21.47 | teraflops | Aebian: if you want rdns you have to ask them (ip owner) to set the ptr you want. vps providers use to have a interface for such purposes, ISPs will either ask you for money or directly ignore your request :P |
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| 19:23.34 | dpyro | a lot of times PTR is used to check for spam detection, in that if you pay $ for hosting/IP address the provider will also offer an interface to change it |
| 19:23.56 | dpyro | if you're using a residential dynamic IP for example you most likely wont be able to change it |
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| 19:24.57 | dpyro | i dont think any email host will accept email without a matching PTR for example |
| 19:25.00 | teraflops | dpyro: I dont think you can run a mail server these days without rdns resolving properly, the very first mail you send you end in a bunch of black list |
| 19:25.06 | dpyro | yup |
| 19:25.22 | Aebian | teraflops: I'm my own ISP so I just ask my friend who does the networking stuff on our end, thanks :P |
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| 19:25.43 | teraflops | np |
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| 19:26.48 | Aebian | hmm changing dnsservers requires a server restart I guess right? |
| 19:26.55 | dpyro | BluesKaj: it recommends the nvidia-driver, which i had originally tried |
| 19:27.00 | dpyro | purging did work though |
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| 19:27.08 | teraflops | Aebian: what do you mean? |
| 19:27.14 | teraflops | Aebian: DNS records? |
| 19:27.18 | dpyro | that's the easy way but no it does not |
| 19:27.25 | dpyro | do you mean from client or server Aebian? |
| 19:27.34 | Aebian | well the stuff in /etc/resolv.conf for e.g. |
| 19:27.42 | teraflops | nope |
| 19:27.55 | Aebian | ok |
| 19:29.38 | dpyro | debian gnome desktop env = gnome 3? |
| 19:29.53 | dpyro | still uses x.org? dunno what the status of that is now |
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| 19:32.49 | whirlyNerd | You can choose between X.org or Wayland. |
| 19:33.23 | whirlyNerd | I've been using Wayland since Stretch released and it works pretty well on my MBP. |
| 19:34.01 | BluesKaj | dpyro, unfortunatly nvidia doesn't support wayland ...yet |
| 19:34.41 | dpyro | alright, but by default x is still being used, right? |
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| 19:35.00 | dpyro | as i've gotten older i've come to appreciate OSS drivers even if they aren't as performant |
| 19:35.08 | dpyro | they're far more usuable |
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| 19:35.42 | BluesKaj | X11 is still default |
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| 19:37.04 | whirlyNerd | Yes X is the default. When using gdm (GNOME), you hit the gear before you start typing your password to login. |
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| 19:40.13 | LtL | whirlyNerd: spacebar works, if i'm following you correctly. |
| 19:40.39 | dpyro | same result ð I get to gdm, put in my credentials, then get "Something has gone wrong!" |
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| 19:41.30 | dpyro | i had the same thing happen in centos 7 |
| 19:42.01 | dpyro | i suspect its a interaction between nvidia, x, the kernel, and/or skylake chipset |
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| 19:44.58 | whirlyNerd | LtL: Not sure about using the spacebar... |
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| 20:00.00 | dpyro | BluesKaj: does dkms build from source? |
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| 20:03.32 | Neobenedict | this is my current interfaces file, how can I change it so the 144.76 IP is the default IP for outgoing connections? https://0bin.net/paste/MlPTsZ-YkyKtgjOV#UVFD+6YuPIbifyUt-M9mxxk+LISizrvmbZjggRF6+ec |
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| 20:04.41 | Neobenedict | i just broke it by adding "post-up ip route replace default via <old> src <new>" (by broke, I mean cut all internet access off and had to kvm in to remove that) |
| 20:04.51 | BluesKaj | dpyro, dkms builds from the kernel modules |
| 20:05.13 | Neobenedict | the via wasn't the gateway ip, but i'd rather wait for opinions before potentially breaking it again |
| 20:05.32 | BluesKaj | dpyro, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Kernel_Module_Support |
| 20:05.37 | nickroll | hi guys, getting these errors. Bought the ryzen cpu 1600x some weeks ago, and these errors pop up from time to time |
| 20:05.43 | nickroll | http://paste.debian.net/975620/ |
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| 20:06.03 | dpyro | dkms still results in a "Oh no!" error |
| 20:07.02 | BluesKaj | dpyro, update and upgrade your packages |
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| 20:07.42 | kritter | What is the current standard for cloning a drive on linux? |
| 20:08.15 | Lowl3v3l | kritter: what do you mean by "cloning"? creating a bitwise image of it? |
| 20:08.18 | kritter | Yes. |
| 20:08.20 | derkaderka | dpyro: had some strange issues with kernel headers missing from repos on buster recently. Switched kernel, and things worked :) |
| 20:08.30 | Lowl3v3l | kritter: dd? cp? |
| 20:08.36 | kritter | Still dd? |
| 20:08.42 | BluesKaj | dpyro, recommend you add, contrib nonfree, to the deb lines in your sources.list |
| 20:08.47 | Lowl3v3l | kritter: why not ? it does the job o.o |
| 20:08.55 | kritter | I borked my windows bootloader and I want to ghost the drive before I try fixing it |
| 20:09.00 | kritter | since it has important data on it |
| 20:09.08 | dpyro | BluesKaj: what is the path for sources.list? |
| 20:09.17 | dpyro | already upgraded and updated packages before i tried all this |
| 20:09.22 | dpyro | dist-upgrade does nothing |
| 20:09.25 | BluesKaj | dpyro, correction , contrib non-free |
| 20:09.30 | nickroll | kritter: dd is awesome. You could dd through netcat too, pretty cool for cloning disks over network. |
| 20:10.03 | kritter | Been a long time since I used dd, do I just dd it to a file? |
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| 20:10.37 | dpyro | already have those added BluesKaj |
| 20:10.43 | kritter | i need to dd it to a file, not a physical drive |
| 20:10.46 | dpyro | derkaderka: anything intel or nvidia related or just something else? |
| 20:11.03 | dpyro | supposedly the nvidia driver builds have been tested up to kernel 4.10, and i'm on 4.9 |
| 20:11.06 | BluesKaj | dpyro, sudo apt-ger update && sudo apt-get upgrade |
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| 20:11.16 | BluesKaj | apt-get |
| 20:11.30 | derkaderka | dpyro: had problems with installing nvidia driver on 4.9 recently |
| 20:11.42 | dpyro | BluesKaj: 0 packages to change |
| 20:11.43 | derkaderka | switched to 4.11 or something, and worked well. |
| 20:11.57 | dpyro | how did you switch kernels? just move up to buster? |
| 20:12.06 | kritter | dd if=/dev/sdX conv=sync,noerror bs=64K | gzip -c > /path/to/backup.img.gz |
| 20:12.12 | derkaderka | dpyro: moved up to buster |
| 20:12.19 | dpyro | can you do that from a current install? |
| 20:12.21 | kritter | Will that dump my entire disk to a gz? |
| 20:12.22 | derkaderka | dpyro: probably what caused the problem though |
| 20:12.36 | derkaderka | dpyro: upgrade to buster? |
| 20:12.45 | dpyro | yes, right now on stretch i think |
| 20:12.55 | derkaderka | dpyro: oh yes, easily |
| 20:13.30 | derkaderka | dpyro: :%s/stretch/buster/g inside the sources.list |
| 20:13.42 | derkaderka | dpyro: then aptitude update && dist-upgrade |
| 20:13.52 | derkaderka | oh aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 20:16.19 | dpyro | i'll see if i can rescue my DE and then try that |
| 20:16.29 | dpyro | so if i doesn't work, i know there's not a confounding factor |
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| 20:22.56 | derkaderka | kritter: yes, seems correct |
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| 21:03.23 | strk | how to tell which non-installed package contains a "gstreamer-config" file ? |
| 21:04.10 | towo` | apt-file? |
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| 21:06.19 | strk | apt-file search gstreamer-config # no hits :( |
| 21:07.44 | petemc | strk: assuming you have updated the apt-file db, try searching for gstreamer |
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| 21:17.21 | bionix | If Jesus came back today, would he use an iPhone or an Android ? |
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| 21:20.40 | towo` | bionix, he would use a windows-phone |
| 21:20.49 | abrotman | that's completely offtopic, take it elsewhere |
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| 21:41.07 | dario_ | hi people |
| 21:42.17 | dario_ | I tried to boot a unofficial debian 9 + nonfree, to get my wifi working, and all work fine, but I can't find the installer icon, nor a installer voice in menu, where may I find that? |
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| 21:46.56 | forcerecon | hey debian |
| 21:47.05 | dpyro | alright, trying kernel 4.11 |
| 21:47.18 | dpyro | is ksplice or something similar now integrated in kernel 4.x? |
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| 21:47.53 | forcerecon | wanted to make a cloud server for the house.. basically just a storage unit and create a single dropbox on it |
| 21:47.53 | forcerecon | then save stuff to the lan, and have it moved to the cloud.. |
| 21:47.53 | forcerecon | I have 2 servers small 4gb of ram each, home servers with 6.5 Terabytes of space each.. |
| 21:48.35 | dpyro | cloud server? is the home server the canonical location? |
| 21:48.54 | forcerecon | shall I just install debian server, or not waste my time and just install debian 9 with a share for the lan that is the dropbox |
| 21:48.54 | forcerecon | ideas? |
| 21:49.43 | Brigo | dario_, can't undestand your problem |
| 21:49.47 | dpyro | depends what you want to do with it and what you want to do with your time |
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| 21:50.23 | Brigo | forcerecon, install debian server or debian? |
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| 21:51.00 | dario_ | Brigo: I booted a live image of 9.0, with nonfree packages to work my wifi, all work right, but Ican't the installation program; after using live, I wish to install it |
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| 21:51.38 | dario_ | Brigo: I can't find the installer application |
| 21:51.56 | whirlyNerd | @dario: Last I checked, the live images had some "issues". Grab one of the regular ISOs. The firmware netinstall worked good for me. |
| 21:52.00 | dario_ | Brigo: no icon on desktop, no menu voice in menu |
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| 21:52.10 | Brigo | dario_, as far as i know you can't install live. Use the netinstaller. |
| 21:52.13 | forcerecon | Brigo: well that tells you how much I know about server vs client.. I already use debian 9, I thought server was nother entity |
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| 21:52.52 | dario_ | Brigo: ok, thanks |
| 21:52.59 | Brigo | forcerecon, no, there is only one debian with all the stuff available. |
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| 21:53.07 | Brigo | dario_, np, good luck. |
| 21:53.10 | dario_ | bye,going to install... |
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| 21:56.02 | forcerecon | I need a tiny monitor for a headless server |
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| 21:57.11 | dpyro | you just need ssh and luck! |
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| 21:58.04 | forcerecon | https://www.mimomonitors.com/collections/mimo-vue-hd-displays/products/mimo-vue-hd-display-um-1080h-hdmi-non-touch |
| 21:58.04 | forcerecon | you think debian would pick up on that |
| 21:59.05 | forcerecon | http://www.qualitymobilevideo.com/top-ss-lt341.html - cheaper option |
| 21:59.05 | forcerecon | vga |
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| 22:00.48 | oo_miguel | I plan to install debian9 to a virtual box vdi image and later use it as a template for multiple virtual boxes. however I will need to change the hostname provided during the installation. Is it just a matter of adjusting /etc/hostname? or will i have to change other settings too? network configuraiton is provided via dhcp |
| 22:01.13 | dpyro | when i get the "oh no something has gone wrong" screen, is that a kernel panic? |
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| 22:01.42 | mtn | dpyro, no, it is a gnome video driver problem ;) |
| 22:01.56 | oo_miguel | lol |
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| 22:03.29 | dpyro | where would the log files for that hiding? |
| 22:04.15 | mtn | dpyro, what is your video card and driver? you need acceleration for gnome3 to be happy |
| 22:05.39 | jelly | oo_miguel, no, there's more. /etc/{hosts,hostname,mailname}, /etc/postfix/main.cf if you use postfix; if your systems are on different networks, you may also need to allow ssh or other tcp_wrapper access from different sources, so /etc/hosts.allow, different dns recursors available? /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 22:08.57 | oo_miguel | jelly: ok, thank you very much |
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| 22:18.29 | jelly | that list is not exhaustive |
| 22:18.49 | dpyro | mtn: i did apt-get purge nouveau and i think that killed the 3d acceleration libs |
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| 22:19.06 | dpyro | i'm using the integrated intel graphics for my displayout |
| 22:19.32 | mtn | dpyro, read the appropriate debian wiki for your video card/s |
| 22:19.54 | oo_miguel | jelly: I will start with it, and come back here if I can not fix upcoming issues, thanks |
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| 22:21.24 | dpyro | mtn: i did but i am not successful so far |
| 22:21.57 | dpyro | nvidia-driver or even just dkms results in "oh no!" |
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| 22:23.11 | dpyro | even if i remove the nvidia hardware |
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| 22:41.32 | jellycode2 | Hi, I'm trying to find a way to override options in a generated dnsmasq.conf without manually changing those options. |
| 22:43.11 | jellycode2 | Tomato firmware uses a GUI to configure DNSMASQ. The GUI of course overrides any manual configuration you might do. My problem is that need DHCP to run on interface br0, but not to hand out IP addresses, just to hand out additional DHCP options. |
| 22:45.28 | jmcnaught | jellycode2: you could try openwrt instead of tomato, but this isn't really a Debian support issue |
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| 22:47.36 | jellycode2 | Thanks! Actually, i just found an option "Ignore DHCP requests from unknown devices". So , now I realize, i can give it a scope which is required by the UI, and add the custom dnsmasq options to ignore hosts based on a number of criteria. |
| 22:47.56 | dpyro | if its a router thing the configuration for that sort of thing is usually stored in the nvrram |
| 22:48.05 | dpyro | *nvram |
| 22:48.28 | dpyro | which overrides any options in text files |
| 22:48.55 | jellycode2 | Right, when trying to fight with a GUI configuration mechanism, there's always the chance someone will make a change on the page, and when they save, your manual changes are overwritten. |
| 22:49.04 | jellycode2 | Tomato is nice in that it gives you a section for adding custom options. |
| 22:49.27 | jellycode2 | However, i could not see a way (until just now) to get my desired effect. |
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| 23:04.45 | oo_miguel | hmmm I get the same /etc/machine-id generated inside two virtualboxes. what can I do about it? |
| 23:05.41 | oo_miguel | i run systemd-machine-id-setup but exactly the same id is generated on both debians |
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| 23:07.44 | dpyro | maybe it comes from the detected hardware? |
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| 23:08.06 | oo_miguel | i assigend different mac addresses to eth0 |
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| 23:08.14 | oo_miguel | but the rest of the hardware is indeed identical |
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| 23:14.15 | afidegnum | hi, is there a way to automatically generate exim4 settings for outlook and thunderbird? |
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| 23:28.55 | abrotman | afidegnum: generate? in what way? what would be the output? |
| 23:29.46 | afidegnum | ok, i m having problem |
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| 23:29.50 | afidegnum | i can't send email from exim |
| 23:30.11 | afidegnum | from teh error logs it shows the mails have been sucessfully sent but the recepients doesn't get them |
| 23:31.01 | jim | hi... what's the status of virtualbox? is it packaged for debian? |
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| 23:32.19 | missmbob | !virtualbox |
| 23:32.19 | dpkg | Oracle VM VirtualBox is an almost free software virtual machine solution. To install, see https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox or ask me about <vbox-install jessie>, <vbox-install wheezy>. http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox rename>, <vbox guest>, <vbox extpack>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>. |
| 23:32.25 | missmbob | see the wiki |
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| 23:33.28 | afidegnum | jim: yes |
| 23:34.03 | abrotman | afidegnum: show us the log, use paste.debian.net |
| 23:34.54 | afidegnum | https://ghostbin.com/paste/euyvc |
| 23:35.35 | abrotman | and what do the logs say on the other side? |
| 23:36.01 | abrotman | or that is your server? |
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| 23:36.22 | abrotman | this "newgracefoundgh.org" is your exim system? |
| 23:36.35 | afidegnum | yes |
| 23:37.03 | afidegnum | i just added this domain name to have it's own email account on the server |
| 23:37.14 | abrotman | afidegnum: okay, and what log is that from? mail.log ? |
| 23:37.18 | afidegnum | other domains could also have some mail accoutn too |
| 23:37.39 | afidegnum | /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 23:38.02 | abrotman | what's in /var/log/mail.log? anything? |
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| 23:40.34 | afidegnum | abrotman: this is what i have on the mail.log https://ghostbin.com/paste/euyvc |
| 23:40.47 | jim | missmbob, afidegnum, thanks, I'm checking it out now |
| 23:41.21 | abrotman | afidegnum: where on the filesystem did you look for the mail? |
| 23:41.32 | afidegnum | /var/vmail |
| 23:42.07 | abrotman | have you checked other locations |
| 23:42.08 | abrotman | ? |
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| 23:43.11 | afidegnum | yes |
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| 23:43.43 | afidegnum | that's the only account created in that folder |
| 23:43.55 | abrotman | But it has no mail |
| 23:44.12 | abrotman | I meant, have you looked in /var/spool/mail/ or in /home/ |
| 23:44.48 | afidegnum | /var/mail contain an ssh email testing accoutn from postmaster |
| 23:44.55 | afidegnum | but inside /var/vmail |
| 23:44.59 | afidegnum | i have newgracefound |
| 23:45.06 | afidegnum | let me check on var/spool |
| 23:47.45 | afidegnum | abrotman: inside spool i have symlink of mail, and exim4 |
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| 23:54.31 | dirac1 | Guys the systemd-resolved issue has been fixed? |
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| 23:55.20 | dvs | dirac1, no, systemd is still part of the installation. ;-) |
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| 23:55.37 | dondelelcaro | dirac1: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-9445 |
| 23:56.06 | dirac1 | Oh i'm on sid, so ok. |
| 23:56.17 | dondelelcaro | dirac1: and https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=866147 |
| 23:56.19 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/866147 in src:systemd (closed, patch, upstream, security, fixed-upstream): «systemd: CVE-2017-9445: Out-of-bounds write in systemd-resolved with crafted TCP payload»; severity: important; opened: 2017-06-27; last modified: 2017-07-03. |
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| 23:57.39 | dirac1 | Thanks. |
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| 23:58.31 | dondelelcaro | dirac1: np; I imagine there will be a DSA for it in jessie in the near future |
| 23:58.45 | dondelelcaro | (but since it's not enabled by default, it shouldn't be a big deal) |
| 23:59.16 | dirac1 | I have it enabled by default on a vps i bough recently that's why i was concerned. |