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| 01:33.08 | mutante | Unpacking libsystemd0:i386 (232-25) over (231-4) ... |
| 01:33.15 | mutante | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:34.05 | mutante | and it all FAILS.. spectacular |
| 01:34.34 | mutante | systemd and udev break it each other.. is it at least a common thing ? |
| 01:37.18 | jmcnaught | mutante: it's probably not a common thing to go frm 231-4 to 232-25⦠|
| 01:37.58 | mutante | because it's been broken for that long :? |
| 01:38.18 | mutante | i think it's because it's a kernel version ending in -cloud |
| 01:38.32 | mutante | blames the provider of this VM then |
| 01:38.52 | jmcnaught | mutante: what is the kernel version? |
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| 01:39.05 | jmcnaught | and is it a container, or a vm? |
| 01:39.05 | mutante | 3.4.0-cloud |
| 01:39.20 | mutante | that seems old |
| 01:39.32 | jmcnaught | that doesn't sound new enough to run the systemd in stretch |
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| 01:41.24 | mutante | jmcnaught: it's a VM by hostvirtual.com and now the product i bought seems gone from their page :/ i guess i'll have to swtich |
| 01:41.46 | mutante | yes, i got this some time ago as a jessie and then upgraded |
| 01:42.09 | kang9 | How to test ethernet cable |
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| 01:43.12 | mel00010 | kang9: That doesn't seem to be a question relating to debian... I don't even know a channel you could ask that question. You should try Google. |
| 01:43.19 | mutante | kang9: there are testers for it for under 10 bucks on Amazon |
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| 01:43.50 | kang9 | mutante I don't have testers isn't there any other way to Check it |
| 01:44.01 | BBroad | anyone know a website I can curl to get my IPv6 address? |
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| 01:44.27 | mutante | kang9: plug it into your laptop and the router, turn off wifi, see if you have internet :p |
| 01:44.44 | abrotman | BBroad: with or without some grep,etc magic? |
| 01:44.48 | Dagger | BBroad: ip6.me, if you don't mind picking it out of HTML |
| 01:45.07 | Dagger | although it should just be in `ifconfig`/`ip a` |
| 01:45.07 | kang9 | I don't have wired Internet connection mutante |
| 01:45.07 | kang9 | I have Router and laptop though |
| 01:46.05 | BBroad | abrotman: grep magic is fine |
| 01:46.10 | mutante | kang9: soo, plug it into the router? don't tell me there are routers now without ethernet ports... but maybe it's Apple hardware then nothing surprises me anymore |
| 01:46.30 | BBroad | Dagger: Thank you! |
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| 01:48.48 | kang9 | Router has ethernet port mutante |
| 01:49.08 | mutante | BBroad: wget -O - -q icanhazip.com |
| 01:49.16 | mutante | shows me v6 :) |
| 01:49.20 | mutante | and nothing around it |
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| 01:50.21 | mutante | kang9: so you have a port and you have a cable and you are still wondering how use them? |
| 01:50.37 | BBroad | mutante: thanks even better! |
| 01:50.53 | mutante | :) |
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| 01:51.45 | Dagger | I was going to suggest icanhazip.com, but they don't show the address in canonical format... which is a bit bizarre, but also dumb so I figured I'd avoid mentioning them |
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| 01:52.29 | kang9 | I never used router mutante |
| 01:52.29 | jmcnaught | mutante: i try to avoid openvz/virtuozzo container style VPSs in favour of ones that are actual virtual machines, such as KVM, Xen VPSs |
| 01:53.16 | mutante | jmcnaught: i was under the impression that is what i have.. i think they just stopped offering them now |
| 01:54.30 | mutante | dmidecode says "# No SMBIOS nor DMI entry point found, sorry. |
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| 01:55.22 | mutante | kang9: just plug the cable into your laptop and the router and see if you get an IP via DHCP |
| 01:56.00 | kang9 | What's dhcp mutante |
| 01:56.07 | kang9 | Is it software? |
| 01:56.23 | kang9 | Do I need internet connection to check it? |
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| 01:57.25 | mutante | kang9: sorry, i think it's getting too offtopic, if you dont know that then better to buy a cable tester. |
| 01:59.27 | kang9 | You have a chance to save my 4usd |
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| 02:10.12 | dgriffi | could I get someone to look at https://bugs.debian.org/866965 ? |
| 02:10.13 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/866965 in dosemu (open): «dosemu: DPMI unhandled exception instability back again»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-07-03; last modified: 2017-07-03. |
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| 02:44.31 | vyadhaka | I am shopping for a cheap laptop for uni, will be running debian any suggestions |
| 02:47.18 | tx | thinkpad off ebay |
| 02:47.36 | dvs | seconded |
| 02:47.56 | Telex9 | third |
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| 02:50.04 | vyadhaka | I like thinkpads but the batteries from the used ones dont last long, I dont want to carry a charger every day, thats why I was thinking of buying a new one that gives 8hrs+ runtime |
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| 02:51.17 | dvs | Then go for an Asus. |
| 02:51.55 | vyadhaka | I did not know Asus made cheap laptops, or is it Acer? |
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| 02:54.52 | vyadhaka | is it possible to do boot environments (like in Freebsd) with btrfs on debian? |
| 02:55.09 | dvs | NOT AN ACER! DON'T GET THOSE! |
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| 02:56.45 | mentor | Looking for any clue about the softhsm (opensdnssec) 1 â 2 migration process. I've read the documentation, and it leaves me without even a concrete question to start from. |
| 02:56.57 | vyadhaka | dvs: Any reason why, poor build or driver issues? I will be going with best bang for buck, my main criteria is 8+hrs battery time. everything else is flexible, |
| 02:57.12 | dvs | vyadhaka, poor build quality |
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| 02:58.24 | vyadhaka | dvs: I dont have the mula to go for top of the line, it will have to do if it has the battery time and decent specs |
| 02:58.29 | hvpc | https://jcs.org/2017/05/22/xiaomiair |
| 02:59.26 | tharkun | Since when is dmesg a security risk not to be performed by a regular user. On 9.0 it can only be done by root :( |
| 02:59.55 | tharkun | dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted |
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| 03:03.47 | mentor | I don't think it's unreasonable for users to not be able to read kernel debug output |
| 03:04.21 | tharkun | On 8.8 mount /media/usb mounted any usb dongle stuck into a usb port now you don't have dmesg, and no way of regular users to mount a simple usb |
| 03:05.00 | tharkun | mentor: for like forever dmesg has been a regular user way of finding out how to mount a usb device. It is now gone. |
| 03:05.25 | mentor | Regular users shouldn't be able to mount thinks without going through a policy layer, either |
| 03:05.52 | mentor | It's, like, a security hole or somehting |
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| 03:06.21 | tharkun | mentor: Enlighten me on the way to mount a usb device on a headless machine without root privilidges. |
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| 03:07.38 | mentor | tharkun, Is this a media player of some sort? |
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| 03:08.02 | tharkun | a regular usb device which holds information. Nothing else. |
| 03:09.11 | friiq | tharkun: check dmesg for the device name |
| 03:09.22 | mentor | ⦠|
| 03:09.29 | friiq | "/dev/sdx" |
| 03:09.57 | friiq | "mount /dev/sdx /directory" |
| 03:10.38 | mentor | Well, your use case is unclear, but I'm assuming this is some sort of user media access, in which case I would set the machine to auto mount USB filesystems with appropriate filesystems with appropriate user filesystem options in an appropriate user media directory |
| 03:11.06 | mentor | tharkun, /dev/ is usually user readable too |
| 03:11.37 | mentor | Also, I'm pretty sure that new filesystem volumes are announced on various system information buses |
| 03:11.50 | tharkun | mount is not user executable now and /dev/sdx is an uncertainty at this point in time. |
| 03:12.08 | tharkun | mentor: How is that user readable? |
| 03:12.36 | mentor | tharkun, How is what user readable? |
| 03:12.51 | tharkun | the bus you mention. Which is unknown to me. |
| 03:13.45 | mentor | tharkun, You do understand why mounting things has a security boundary around it? |
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| 03:14.01 | mentor | tharkun, Well, dbus and systemd are some, but that was an aside |
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| 03:14.58 | tharkun | mentor: If you can mount them on gui it has the same security as on cli, now cli has become a second class citizen. |
| 03:16.01 | mentor | tharkun, OK, so you're actually looking to complain rather than find a solution? |
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| 03:16.38 | tharkun | mentor: I need a solution asap the complains are just impressions of me due to simple frustration. |
| 03:16.47 | mentor | tharkun, What is your use case? |
| 03:16.54 | jrmu | I couldn't find anyone seeding torrents for the less popular versions of debian (xfce, x86) |
| 03:17.10 | tharkun | I have data on several usb dongles that I need transfered to a machine. |
| 03:17.24 | tharkun | !tell jrmu about jigdo |
| 03:18.00 | tharkun | jrmu: It is the best way to get thos "weird" versions ;P |
| 03:18.05 | mentor | tharkun, So, you have a headless machine to which you have only user access via (ssh?) on which you need to mount a USB mass storage device, once? |
| 03:18.56 | jrmu | tharkun: Ah, didn't know debian was still using jigdo |
| 03:18.58 | tharkun | mentor: I have console access no ssh and 10 128Gb dongles to feed to this machine. |
| 03:19.07 | tharkun | jrmu: :) |
| 03:19.51 | mentor | tharkun, Does the machine admin. want you doing this/have you asked the machine admin? |
| 03:20.10 | tharkun | mentor: Is that relevant for the solution? |
| 03:20.43 | mentor | Yes |
| 03:21.00 | tharkun | The admin will be fired by me when he gets his butt over here. |
| 03:21.16 | mentor | It's perfectly reasonable that the admin may have disabled mounting USB devices |
| 03:22.14 | mentor | tharkun, Try to imagine I have no idea who you are or what setup you're dealing with |
| 03:22.28 | vyadhaka | hvpc: that xiomiair is impressive to say the least and at a very reasonable price, I will have to find the cheapest source now |
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| 03:22.48 | mentor | tharkun, Try using "udisksctl" |
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| 03:26.03 | jrmu | tharkun: so suppose I go to this mirror here: http://ftp.th.debian.org/debian/ . In which directory can I find the live dvd image for xfce on i386? |
| 03:26.22 | jrmu | for debian stretch |
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| 03:27.00 | tharkun | mentor: You are right. I am under some pressure and wasn't polite at you. An apologie. |
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| 03:29.05 | mentor | tharkun, Actually, I don't think you were particularly rude. You were, however, complaining. For the avoidance of doubt, I was providing you with information as fast as I figured it out. |
| 03:30.08 | dgriffi | could I get someone to please comment on bug #866965? |
| 03:30.09 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/866965 in dosemu (open): «dosemu: DPMI unhandled exception instability back again»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-07-03; last modified: 2017-07-03. |
| 03:30.19 | dgriffi | dosemu is unusable |
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| 03:31.54 | mentor | dgriffi, It could do with strace output anyway |
| 03:33.13 | dgriffi | mentor: 360,000 lines... |
| 03:34.16 | mentor | dgriffi, I think, technically, the justification "renders package unusable" should be read as "⦠all standard use cases" or similar |
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| 03:35.06 | dgriffi | mentor: well, you can tool around the simulated filesystem, but if you want to actually run anything, it'll crash |
| 03:35.37 | tharkun | mentor: Works like a charm It will be a long night someone will be very greatful with you. |
| 03:37.00 | mentor | dgriffi, I just mean, not necessarily "renders package unusable for people with this kernel version". Consider this to be informational only. |
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| 03:38.09 | mentor | dgriffi, That's a number of lines. Any smaller output you can get? If not, attach it anyway. |
| 03:38.44 | mentor | dgriffi, It's good to remove excuses to work on other bugs |
| 03:38.44 | dgriffi | I pared it down to 7000 lines if I cut everything before the first command |
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| 03:39.57 | dgriffi | hmm... only 450 kilobytes or so |
| 03:40.38 | dgriffi | mentor: will 7035 lines be okay to not provoke that "excuse to work on other bugs"? |
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| 03:43.08 | mentor | dgriffi, It at least shows willing to provide feedback, which is helpful, I think |
| 03:43.31 | mentor | dgriffi, You understand that in terms of this bug, I have no special standing, right? |
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| 03:43.33 | dgriffi | I think I can cut it down a bit more by cutting down autoexec.bat and config.sys |
| 03:43.37 | dgriffi | yes |
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| 03:54.58 | mentor | dgriffi, This seems to be the only relevant thing in kernel history since the original bug: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/6c25da5ad55d48c41b8909bc1f4e3cd5d85bb499 |
| 03:56.34 | dgriffi | mentor: so you think it might be a 32 versus 64 problem? |
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| 03:59.42 | mentor | dgriffi, Yes, it is specifically a 32-bit vs 64-bit problem regarding what context is saved and restored going in and out of kernel mode |
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| 04:00.10 | dgriffi | hmm... I suppose I shall try installing the 32-bit version of dosemu and see how that works. |
| 04:00.33 | mentor | I suspect it's a kernel architecture problem |
| 04:02.03 | dgriffi | I posted the update to my bug report that you suggested I do |
| 04:02.30 | mentor | It might also be worthwhile testing with different kernels, I suppose |
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| 04:05.42 | dgriffi | mentor: with the i386 version, dosemu freezes. |
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| 05:31.25 | hansp1985 | hi all, i have maybe a stupid question, i did a reinstall yesterday and my mounted volumes are not visible in the /media directory. any hints ? |
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| 05:35.03 | jmcnaught | hansp1985: which desktop environment are you using? is there anything in /media? is there any information from "journalctl -u udisks2.service" or "systemctl status udisks2.service" ? |
| 05:35.27 | hansp1985 | i'm running openmediavault |
| 05:35.42 | hansp1985 | based on debian. :) |
| 05:35.54 | hansp1985 | no journal files were found |
| 05:36.06 | towo^work | omv is not debian |
| 05:36.23 | towo^work | so you have to ask them |
| 05:36.31 | hansp1985 | debian 8 |
| 05:36.35 | towo^work | no |
| 05:36.36 | hansp1985 | that's why i tought ... |
| 05:36.40 | towo^work | openmediavault |
| 05:36.46 | hansp1985 | oh ok |
| 05:36.48 | hansp1985 | damned :) |
| 05:36.48 | towo^work | that is not debian |
| 05:37.01 | hansp1985 | tought maybe getting a quicker answer here |
| 05:37.08 | hansp1985 | something screwed up my install after power loss |
| 05:37.31 | hansp1985 | had to reinstall the whole thing, spent 5hrs trying to recover it ... got this after reinstallation :( nothing anymore in /media |
| 05:37.41 | jmcnaught | hansp1985: if that distro's not working out for you, you can install Debian and then you get access to this support channel |
| 05:38.07 | hansp1985 | i'm used to omv and i like it. will see what they say, thx anyway ;) |
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| 05:38.17 | hansp1985 | just unsure what is wrong now |
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| 05:45.36 | jmcnaught | hansp1985: you could also try asking on ##linux |
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| 05:47.54 | ShalokShalom | hi there |
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| 05:48.00 | ShalokShalom | there is a way to boot from the *hard drive* into the live mode |
| 05:48.03 | ShalokShalom | you put the ISO somwhere into the file system, together with GRUB |
| 05:48.18 | ShalokShalom | can anybody decribe/link me to further descriptions? |
| 05:48.55 | ShalokShalom | Google spams me with different issues, like how to repair GRUB on the hard drive with a live system |
| 05:50.03 | jmcnaught | ,i grub-imageboot |
| 05:50.04 | judd | Package grub-imageboot (admin, extra) in stretch/amd64: boot iso, harddisk and floppy images with grub2 and syslinux memdisk. Version: 0.6; Size: 4.3k; Installed: 42k |
| 05:50.15 | jmcnaught | ShalokShalom: ^ i haven't used it though |
| 05:50.24 | ShalokShalom | thanks |
| 05:50.35 | ShalokShalom | only GRUB can do that? |
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| 05:50.49 | ShalokShalom | is GRUB now suitable for UEFI? |
| 05:51.08 | ShalokShalom | thanks a lot |
| 05:51.10 | jmcnaught | grub works with UEFI since jessie |
| 05:51.45 | ShalokShalom | thanks |
| 05:51.49 | jmcnaught | (if you boot the debian install in UEFI) |
| 05:52.02 | ShalokShalom | i heard there are issues with GRUB and UEFI in general |
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| 05:52.44 | jmcnaught | there will probably always be issues with everything, but i have been successfully booting with grub-efi-amd64 package (as opposed to grub-pc for BIOS) since jessie |
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| 05:53.28 | Canucktux | >there will probably always be issues with everything |
| 05:53.28 | Canucktux | Computers_irl |
| 05:53.52 | jmcnaught | converting an existing system could be tricky, you'd need to boot from UEFI ISO image, set up a chroot, then replace grub-pc with the efi one |
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| 05:58.52 | hansp1985 | jmcnaught: found the disks @ /srv/....... |
| 05:59.08 | hansp1985 | strange new location but it will work for me. only to setup downloader for htpc stuff :) |
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| 05:59.23 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell hansp1985 about based on debian |
| 06:00.01 | hansp1985 | lol :) |
| 06:01.18 | jmcnaught | hansp1985: other distros are offtopic here. Debian desktops do not automount to /srv, you are better off getting support from the appropriate channel whether that means your distro's channel, or using Debian and coming back here |
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| 06:04.00 | goiken | updated jessie > stretch yesterday. I have the feeling that booting times now went from ~10s to ~30s. any hints on where I could investigate? |
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| 06:05.19 | jmcnaught | goiken: use "systemd-analyze blame" |
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| 06:06.46 | goiken | jmcnaught looks all reasonable⦠|
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| 06:07.26 | jmcnaught | goiken: there's nothing that shows a long time? the output should be sorted |
| 06:07.37 | goiken | 8s for NetworkManager-wait-online.service and over a minute for a remote HD, but I already get a desktop by that time⦠|
| 06:08.00 | goiken | 8s is about the time it takes, till I see something X-like |
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| 06:09.33 | goiken | thatâd be my guess: the new X or mate hangs up on something for ~10-20s because I see the busy-cursor for quite a while before I can do anything which wasnât the case before. |
| 06:10.44 | jmcnaught | goiken: whatever your display manager is you can check its service's journal with "journalctl -u gdm" (for example) |
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| 06:11.10 | goiken | jmcnaught no entries |
| 06:11.33 | jmcnaught | goiken: you need to be root, or a member of the sytemd-journal group |
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| 06:12.04 | goiken | jmcnaught yes. same result |
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| 06:13.31 | jmcnaught | goiken: are you using gdm? what does the Loaded: line say from "systemctl status display-manager" |
| 06:15.31 | goiken | jmcnaught I think, itâs lightdm. looking at `journalctl -u lightdm` which also looks reasonable. Iâm looking for large time-gaps in the logs, right? I see none there. |
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| 06:17.56 | jmcnaught | goiken: are you using an automatic login feature, or are you talking about the delay until you get a login prompt in lightdm? |
| 06:18.18 | dgriffi | attempts to interface a speed-x telegraph key |
| 06:18.31 | goiken | jmcnaught yes. I set up autologin ages ago. donât remember where, though ;-) |
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| 06:19.24 | jmcnaught | goiken: also check "journalctl --user" then |
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| 06:19.57 | goiken | jmcnaught no entries |
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| 06:22.15 | jmcnaught | goiken: ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log is the new place for Xorg logs in stretch, unless for some reason your still running xorg as root in which case you would check /var/log/Xorg.0.log still |
| 06:22.44 | jmcnaught | ^your^you\'re |
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| 06:23.17 | goiken | jmcnaught ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log doesnât exist. neither for root nor for my user. |
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| 06:24.46 | jmcnaught | goiken: and in /var/log? |
| 06:24.54 | goiken | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:25.39 | jmcnaught | goiken: what version of xorg do you have installed? "apt-cache policy xorg" |
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| 06:26.17 | goiken | jmcnaught 1:7.7+19 |
| 06:26.49 | jmcnaught | goiken: okay, maybe lightdm doesn't support running X as non-root user |
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| 06:29.02 | jmcnaught | goiken: you can look in /etc/xdg/autostart/ for stuff that might be autostarting, keep in mind that some of those .desktop files have NotShownIn= and OnlyShownIn= directives to prevent their use in some desktops |
| 06:30.41 | goiken | jmcnaught thatâs full of stuff. what am I looking for? |
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| 06:32.16 | jmcnaught | goiken: look through the stuff that might autostart depending on your DE, see if anything stands out. otherwise i don't know where your DE may or may not log to. If it were GNOME there'd be a bunch of information in the user journal |
| 06:32.50 | goiken | jmcnaught my DE is mate |
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| 06:34.11 | freeone | I'm on debian 9 |
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| 06:40.45 | freeone | I'm in /home/name directory |
| 06:40.49 | freeone | its mounted as: |
| 06:40.55 | freeone | /dev/sda1 on /home type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered) |
| 06:41.01 | freeone | and when I run youtube-dl it says: |
| 06:41.06 | freeone | WARNING: Assuming --restrict-filenames since file system encoding cannot encode all characters. Set the LC_ALL environment variable to fix this |
| 06:41.11 | freeone | but when I do: |
| 06:41.15 | freeone | export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 06:41.20 | freeone | it says: |
| 06:41.26 | freeone | bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US.UTF-8): No such file or directory |
| 06:41.30 | freeone | and this is the output of "locale -a" |
| 06:41.36 | freeone | http://sprunge.us/JJNA |
| 06:41.41 | freeone | and this is the output of "locale" |
| 06:41.45 | freeone | http://sprunge.us/eYXh |
| 06:41.51 | freeone | what to do ? |
| 06:42.02 | jmcnaught | freeone: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 06:42.23 | freeone | you sure ? |
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| 06:43.23 | jmcnaught | freeone: ? make sure you select all of the locales you want to be generated, and set a default locale |
| 06:44.23 | dgriffi | how can I install a 3.x kernel on Stretch? |
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| 06:47.24 | freeone | allright, thanks |
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| 06:49.07 | julius | hi |
| 06:49.13 | julius | why is there no linux-headers-4.8.0-1-amd64 ? |
| 06:49.22 | julius | i need to build a virtualbox module for this kernel |
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| 06:50.00 | julius | 4.8.0-1-amd64 is my current running kernel |
| 06:50.03 | jmcnaught | dgriffi: you could install a kernel from jessie but you'll likely need to use pinning to keep it at that version. Caution if you use systemd some 3.x kernels don't have all of the features required |
| 06:50.27 | jmcnaught | ,kernels |
| 06:50.28 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2) |
| 06:51.01 | jmcnaught | julius: stretch/stable includes 4.9, why are you on 4.8? |
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| 06:53.52 | dgriffi | jmcnaught: I just need it to run long enough to prove or disprove a suspicion about dosemu |
| 06:55.09 | dgriffi | jmcnaught: my suspicion is that somewhere between 3.16 and 4.9, something in the kernel broke that dosemu was depending on |
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| 06:57.09 | jmcnaught | dgriffi: do it in a throwaway VM then, you don't need to worry about pinning if you're never going to upgrade it |
| 06:57.36 | dgriffi | jmcnaught: exactly |
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| 07:02.01 | goiken | I think now that it might be the remote hd after all that messes up the boot-times⦠it seems to mess with the file manager of mate, which waits on it to mount to deliver a desktop. seems to give up though, before it actually mounts |
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| 07:02.34 | goiken | so how would I fix sshfs taking >90s to mount something? |
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| 07:03.38 | jmcnaught | goiken: how do you have it configured, what starts it? |
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| 07:04.06 | goiken | jmcnaught fstab starts it |
| 07:04.31 | goiken | sshfs#goiken@bananapi.localdomain:/media/data /media/goiken/bananadata fuse user,allow_other,_netdev 0 0 |
| 07:05.29 | goiken | once itâs mounted, it works like a charm. no noticable delays⦠|
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| 07:07.15 | jmcnaught | goiken: i don't know what caja(?) might be waiting for, but what happens if you add "noauto" to the line in fstab? Will caja open it on demand? |
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| 07:11.18 | goiken | jmanfatty noauto seems to fix the boot at least. but having it mounted automatically was kind of the point of adding it to fstab ;-) |
| 07:11.41 | jmcnaught | goiken: caja does not automount it when you navigate to it? |
| 07:11.51 | goiken | jmcnaught it does. |
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| 07:12.11 | goiken | I guess thatâs good enough, too. |
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| 07:13.12 | jmcnaught | goiken: i don't use sshfs but you could look for it in the logs, maybe it's timing on on something you can easily fix |
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| 07:18.44 | goiken | jmcnaught nah⦠I guess Iâm happy enough now. thx though. |
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| 07:20.01 | jmcnaught | goiken: you're welcome ⺠|
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| 07:57.38 | hexhaxtron | Can someone help me configure dovecot and postfix? I've tried many things and I simply can't make it work... |
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| 08:00.58 | jmcnaught | hexhaxtron: you can ask about specific issues you're having. is this your first time setting up a mail server? |
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| 08:09.46 | hexhaxtron | jmcnaught: yes, it's my first time. |
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| 08:10.38 | jmcnaught | hexhaxtron: mail is pretty tough, there are a lot of parts you need to configure properly if you want your messages to be accepted by other mail servers, especially ones for major services like gmail and outlook |
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| 08:11.13 | hexhaxtron | jmcnaught: can you help me with all that? |
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| 08:12.38 | FinalX | I know this sounds harsh, but if you don't know how mail works and don't know how to set up mailserver software, you probably shouldn't be running it or you won't be able to do what needs doing to maintain a proper mailserver.. with all consequences following it. |
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| 08:13.18 | jmcnaught | hexhaxtron: the best thing i can do is recommend that you don't plan on having a mail server running today. Read as much as you can about SMTP, and your MTA, and the documentation for all of the other tools that you use. |
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| 08:13.35 | FinalX | I'd first start learning the protocol and set up a receiving server (postfix) that's firewalled off, and go step by step. Dovecot to read the mail would be last. |
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| 08:15.01 | jmcnaught | hexhaxtron: if you want to set up a mail server because you find it interesting and want to learn the skill, then go for it, just be prepared to learn quite a bit before your server is operational. If you just need mail services, consider getting it from a mail provider, even a shared hosting account is better than a poorly configured mail server that ends up on blacklists |
| 08:15.28 | KMGTB | Hey guys, i have set up a small network with a debian server with two network cards. eth0 is the connection to the fritzbox (internet) and the other card is the connection to a small network of clients. On the debian server runs a DNS and a DHCP server. Now i want to setup a gateway on the debian server to give the clients the possebility to surf o |
| 08:15.28 | KMGTB | n the internt |
| 08:15.56 | KMGTB | I tried some howtos but it didn't work. |
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| 08:16.56 | KMGTB | Does anyone of you a good guide to setup the gateway? |
| 08:17.10 | KMGTB | *know |
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| 08:17.30 | shtrb | KMGTB , what dhcp server ? |
| 08:17.35 | shtrb | isc-dhcp-server ? |
| 08:17.41 | KMGTB | yes |
| 08:18.06 | shtrb | just add gateway in the router list (and remember the firewall ) |
| 08:18.41 | KMGTB | you mean dhcpd.conf? |
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| 08:19.42 | shtrb | sorry , "option routers frizbox" |
| 08:19.57 | shtrb | https://wiki.debian.org/DHCP_Server |
| 08:22.28 | shtrb | *don't forget to allow the traffic (you can use NAT , you can use a bridge etc) |
| 08:23.38 | KMGTB | I think NAT is the thing i have to set up. |
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| 08:28.11 | shtrb | something like that https://paste.debian.net/975852/ |
| 08:28.47 | shtrb | KMGTB , but don't even think about running that without understanding or checking it |
| 08:29.20 | KMGTB | yes, thank you |
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| 09:02.21 | plutto | does anyone have any methods of hacking gmail account? |
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| 09:02.40 | Ke | yes |
| 09:02.46 | Ke | that's offtopic! |
| 09:03.11 | BenNZ | plutto: best place to ask is at your local law enforcement agency , they will provide you with all the help you need |
| 09:03.15 | tcp_j | Hi, any expert on python packaging in stretch? i have some troubles with upgrading to stretch |
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| 09:03.38 | Ke | tcp_j: just ask |
| 09:04.13 | tcp_j | I have dh-python, py3dist-overrides, but i cannot get packages from py3dist-overrides installed |
| 09:04.37 | tcp_j | i have {$python3:Depends} in control file |
| 09:05.14 | tcp_j | everything works on jessie, but not on stretch |
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| 09:10.46 | Leoneof | hi, is it possible to fix grub by using/booting netinstall? |
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| 09:11.50 | tsarompy | :y |
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| 09:14.12 | tsarompy | hai Madda |
| 09:14.29 | Madda | hi |
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| 09:25.43 | shtrb | Did anyone here aware of any issues with system 233-10 ? (I know it's in sid but still ) |
| 09:26.16 | petn-randall | !tell shtrb -about ask |
| 09:26.40 | shtrb | I wish to be sure if I should avoid it or not for now |
| 09:26.44 | tsarompy | im on testing and i have a kernel hiccup at boot but nothin major |
| 09:26.47 | tsarompy | cant speak for sid tho |
| 09:27.01 | towo^work | no problems in sid on my side |
| 09:27.20 | petn-randall | shtrb: There's probably a dozen issues a day being open and closed in systemd. You have to be a tad more specific. |
| 09:28.13 | shtrb | I'm talking about the debian package (change) 233-10 not upstream (if there any special issues that can be more smelly than usual) |
| 09:28.53 | petn-randall | shtrb: If you want to find out, have a look in the bug tracker. |
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| 09:31.48 | shtrb | petn-randall , that was the idea to ask here if someone was hit by something or is aware of something (#debian sometimes have better track than the bug tracker) |
| 09:32.50 | shtrb | thanks you towo^work and tsarompy |
| 09:32.57 | petn-randall | shtrb: I'd ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, you'll have a lot more testing/sid users over there. |
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| 09:33.54 | tsarompy | :* |
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| 09:35.19 | L3gacy | taco taco nacho burrito |
| 09:35.26 | L3gacy | Never computer while hungry |
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| 09:40.34 | jask_ | hi, I have strange problem, which is driving me almost crazy, in my work I use many remote virtual machines so I use agent forwarding a lot, yet on one jessie machine ssh client refuses to use my forwarded agent and searches for keys localy, I have this problem only on this one jessie remote, others work as expected |
| 09:41.27 | jask_ | jask@jessie-jask:~$ echo "$SSH_AUTH_SOCK" |
| 09:41.27 | jask_ | /tmp/ssh-5upvlAkLpT/agent.496 |
| 09:41.28 | jask_ | jask@jessie-jask:~$ ls -l /tmp/ssh-5upvlAkLpT/agent.496 |
| 09:41.28 | jask_ | srwxr-xr-x 1 jask jask 0 Äec 11 11:34 /tmp/ssh-5upvlAkLpT/agent.496 |
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| 09:41.59 | jask_ | jask@jessie-jask:~$ ssh wheezy-jask.dev |
| 09:41.59 | jask_ | Host key verification failed. |
| 09:41.59 | jask_ | jask@jessie-jask:~$ ssh wheezy-jask.dev -v |
| 09:41.59 | jask_ | OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-5+deb8u3, OpenSSL 1.0.2l 25 May 2017 |
| 09:41.59 | jask_ | debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 09:42.05 | petn-randall | !paste |
| 09:42.06 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 09:47.14 | superlinux | I need help in NUT (Network UPS Tools) . which channel it is here? |
| 09:47.26 | shtrb | It depend if try here |
| 09:47.50 | julius | jmcnaught: had trouble booting with newer kernel versions...somehow the encrypted lvm wasnt detected |
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| 09:48.00 | superlinux | do any of you here in #debian know anything in NUT? |
| 09:48.00 | shtrb | I do have encrypted LVM |
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| 09:48.12 | shtrb | I *used* it |
| 09:48.35 | shtrb | thanks for the hint |
| 09:48.37 | julius | jmcnaught: so is there no way to get kernel heades for 4.8.0 anymore? |
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| 09:49.20 | shtrb | julius , was the encrypted lvm issue an answer to my question |
| 09:49.26 | shtrb | superlinux , I used it |
| 09:49.45 | julius | shtrb: no....i started with jmcnaught... |
| 09:50.30 | shtrb | if it doesn't start on boot or does not recognize the device, it is probably systemd being nasty you need to manually start nut-driver before the server |
| 09:50.43 | shtrb | superlinux ^ |
| 09:50.58 | superlinux | shtrb, aha ok great. so my question is simple. in /etc/nut/upsd.conf how can I make the LISTEN setting be "listen to all interfaces available" ? |
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| 09:52.16 | superlinux | or "listen to all addresses" |
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| 09:53.07 | shtrb | I think you can try "LISTEN 0.0.0.0 3493" |
| 09:53.12 | shtrb | but that is not a good idea |
| 09:53.27 | superlinux | well it's local internal in-home |
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| 09:53.43 | superlinux | so security is not a problem here |
| 09:53.56 | shtrb | superlinux , I have seen routers that exposed your internet network to "support" |
| 09:54.05 | shtrb | *ISP provided ones |
| 09:55.04 | shtrb | the letter S in IOT stand for security , you may have many IOT devices at home ... |
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| 09:56.04 | superlinux | shtrb, I mean I am behind NAT.. nothing can be routed without portforwarding |
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| 09:56.44 | shtrb | superlinux , some ISP provided routers give access to your internal network without you knowing about it |
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| 09:57.03 | shtrb | that is how they can "assit" you with your local network or wifi without you giveing them p/f |
| 09:57.44 | superlinux | shtrb, I will revise the configs of the routers but I think I disabled it. |
| 09:57.54 | shtrb | you can't |
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| 09:58.16 | superlinux | yes I can. |
| 09:59.10 | shtrb | I'm telling you as ex-techsupport person , you do not have access to that configs , it's blocked , and unless you used a different firmware you can't block that |
| 09:59.18 | shtrb | *as an a |
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| 10:00.11 | teraflops | ISP having access to the internal client lan looks barely legal |
| 10:00.26 | shtrb | it's somewhere in the contract , and it is a "feature" |
| 10:00.49 | shtrb | idiotic , a security nightmare but they sell that service |
| 10:01.05 | shtrb | and that is even before the TR-069 and auto flashing firmwares |
| 10:01.07 | teraflops | at least here I don't think such feature exists |
| 10:01.18 | teraflops | shtrb: that's different |
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| 10:01.37 | shtrb | but even if you didn't buy that feature it is default installed |
| 10:02.04 | shtrb | teraflops , not all ISPs , some do and some don't |
| 10:02.52 | teraflops | np. |
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| 10:08.46 | Rudde | Hey guys |
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| 10:39.22 | BluesKaj | 'Morning all |
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| 10:50.42 | Cl0udN9ne | what browsers aare there in stretch? |
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| 10:51.09 | Cl0udN9ne | ,v midori |
| 10:51.10 | judd | Package: midori on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1; jessie-backports: 0.5.11-ds1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.5.11-ds1-4+b1 |
| 10:51.35 | Cl0udN9ne | i cant think of anything else |
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| 10:52.28 | metax | pomidori |
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| 10:55.21 | ksk | Hey. Can you recommend a software to provide a "backup your windows client" thingy? I know I could start by setting up samba, and then add this and that, but is there maybe a more full-stack application for this approach? thanks! (Does not have to be SMB) |
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| 10:57.19 | Ke | Cl0udN9ne: chromium, konqueror, firefox, epiphany, dillo, *links, w3m... |
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| 10:59.34 | loeken | Cl0udN9ne, ice weasel? |
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| 10:59.56 | Cl0udN9ne | ok |
| 10:59.59 | Ke | iceweasel is only an alias to firefox anymore |
| 11:00.05 | loeken | ,v iceweasel |
| 11:00.06 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- wheezy: 38.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 38.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 45.9.0esr-1; stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch- |
| 11:00.07 | judd | security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 52.2.0esr-2; buster: 52.2.0esr-2 |
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| 11:00.17 | loeken | neat |
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| 11:01.56 | JSR-89 | Anybody reads me? |
| 11:02.27 | voidie | no. |
| 11:02.35 | voidie | I read her |
| 11:02.45 | JSR-89 | Oh, that's a problem so. |
| 11:02.49 | voidie | starts leaning back of enjoyment. |
| 11:03.08 | voidie | have you ever tought, that you and her are not the same? |
| 11:03.17 | JSR-89 | I should format my disk and reinstall Debian. |
| 11:03.31 | voidie | if you can't handle dual boot yes |
| 11:03.53 | JSR-89 | Thanks for the information BTW |
| 11:03.57 | JSR-89 | lol |
| 11:04.16 | voidie | topkek |
| 11:04.23 | voidie | np |
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| 11:04.34 | voidie | i do whatever i can to help myself |
| 11:04.39 | voidie | im so selfish |
| 11:04.40 | voidie | kekek |
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| 11:05.46 | JSR-89 | What is "topkek"? |
| 11:06.15 | voidie | i once met a hacker |
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| 11:06.35 | voidie | kek = lel |
| 11:06.37 | voidie | lel = lol |
| 11:06.59 | JSR-89 | oh ok |
| 11:07.04 | voidie | my understanding is limited, because i like bounderies |
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| 11:07.41 | metax | geg |
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| 11:07.52 | metax | top prek |
| 11:08.13 | jelly | !offtopic |
| 11:08.13 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 11:09.39 | forcerecon | when I do an nmap scan of my local network I have noticed that there are some open ports.. |
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| 11:14.39 | herebro | 5275190012302499|04|2021|370|UNITED STATES|Julian|Thomas|231 malone circle|Fairburn||30213| VALID |
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| 11:14.50 | herebro | no need to thank me, thank to allah |
| 11:14.55 | bazhang | !ops | herebro |
| 11:14.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | herebro |
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| 11:15.07 | bazhang | ah quit, sorry |
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| 11:17.26 | rotanid | Hello everyone. do you know why deb.debian.org doesn't work with https for backports, but does without (and with for the other sources.list entries) ? |
| 11:17.55 | rotanid | i just get "size of file ... is not what the server reported" for this one part of the repo |
| 11:19.44 | rotanid | crap, works with stretch, but not with jessie :D |
| 11:19.50 | forcerecon | why is port 2601 open for zebra? |
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| 11:20.19 | jelly | what is zebra? |
| 11:20.39 | jelly | rotanid, https is not supported for most mirrors |
| 11:21.54 | rotanid | jelly: well it works with jessie, so it looks like bug #802617 |
| 11:21.55 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/802617 in apt-transport-https (closed): «apt-transport-https: apt-get update: W: Size of file [...] is not what the server reported»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-10-21; last modified: 2016-03-05. |
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| 11:25.55 | forcerecon | jelly: hey there.. exactly.. Zebra is a software program which handles BGP routing. It is not âmaliciousâ by itself, though BGP routing can be fed âbadâ (incorrectly-formed) data to make the computer do unexpected things |
| 11:26.03 | forcerecon | 2601/tcp open zebra syn-ack |
| 11:26.20 | uwe | greetings, got a not-sure-this-works question, I want to setup multiple web servers (yes, I know I can supposidely utilize VirtualHosts) on the same machine, I can do this by copying the config directory and the startup scripts, but I was wondering if there is a cleaner way to do it via apt/dpkg and --prefix or similar, also without resorting to virtualization or containers ... |
| 11:26.22 | rotanid | jelly: i was wrong... i meant "works with stretch" (ans also works with jessie-updates - but not jessie-backports) |
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| 11:27.10 | forcerecon | I am also getting confirmation from shields! Up that port 80 and 81 are open.. however, my router has all ports closed and I am not running apache.. |
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| 11:28.43 | rotanid | forcerecon: have you also tried nmap from inside the same network, not with a router in between? |
| 11:29.10 | jelly | forcerecon, did you look at its documentation to see whether this is perfectly normal for this software? |
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| 11:31.00 | forcerecon | rotanid: not sure what that would accomplish |
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| 11:31.22 | rotanid | the router might be intercepting some ports |
| 11:32.01 | forcerecon | jelly: I am not running zebra or anything on this machine for that manner.. this is defaultish install of debian 9 with a few apps installed.. Just not sure why port 80 and 81 are showing open |
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| 11:32.10 | forcerecon | and I thought zebra was discontinued in linux but it is still listed on that port when doing an nmap to the router -vv |
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| 11:32.52 | rotanid | what does lsof -i -n -P | egrep "2061|80|81" say? |
| 11:33.02 | forcerecon | and I do not have remote access to my router on or even port forwarding |
| 11:33.04 | rotanid | as i already wrote, maybe the ports arent open |
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| 11:33.05 | forcerecon | it is all disabled |
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| 11:33.37 | rotanid | i often saw this issue with other ports showing up as open, but that was some router/firewall in between not the destination machine |
| 11:34.03 | forcerecon | if it was not OPEN why would online port scanner show it as open |
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| 11:34.29 | rotanid | well, if you dont want to read what im writing, good bye. |
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| 11:36.08 | BluesKaj | oh my , an easily bruised ego there |
| 11:37.21 | forcerecon | can anyone else do a nmap to their router and just verify for me if yours all show the same information nmap 192.168.x.x or whatever -vv |
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| 11:39.24 | jelly | forcerecon, does the router run debian or what? |
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| 11:40.10 | forcerecon | no.. its just a standard ac wireless modem from xfinity |
| 11:40.25 | jelly | ok. Why are you asking about it in here then |
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| 11:41.14 | jelly | there's a perfectly nice ##networking channel if you have a networking issue |
| 11:41.14 | forcerecon | now I do realize that the router would be running an web interface internally so you can access it. but https remote access has been turned off on the router, yet it still shows port 80 and 81 as being open when doing a remote port scan |
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| 11:42.11 | forcerecon | jelly: before I went there I just wanted to see if this was something internal to debian. I was checking to see if everyone else has these same open ports |
| 11:43.06 | jelly | eh, ports open on your vendor hardware are a debian issue, unless you're running debian on that as well |
| 11:43.15 | jelly | are not* a debian issue |
| 11:43.48 | jelly | if I'm accessing my IOT fridge from debian and seeing open ports, it will still not be a debian issue |
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| 11:45.19 | forcerecon | jelly: understood.. just not sure why someone just cant run a simple command and let me know if they see the same ports open on their debian 9 machine. it takes less than 10 seconds, way more time then all this typing we are doing.. |
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| 11:46.15 | forcerecon | *less |
| 11:46.19 | jelly | mostly because they're noe at the computer, and also becuase that request does not make sense at all |
| 11:46.34 | bazhang | forcerecon, joining ##networking takes two seconds |
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| 11:46.44 | BluesKaj | forcerecon, sudo route -n |
| 11:47.26 | jelly | forcerecon, far as I could tell, you're not looking for ports open on the debian machine itself, but on the router |
| 11:48.29 | boxrick1 | Heres a random question about good practise. I have a binary which is fully self contained. Would it be better for me to extract it into /opt/APPNAME/BINARY and symbolic link to somewhere like /usr/bin or would it be absolutely fine to just dump the binary in /usr/bin/BINARY directly? |
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| 11:49.10 | jelly | forcerecon, and nmap is an old tool, widely used, not likely to be broken on every debian 9 and noone noticing |
| 11:49.11 | bazhang | boxrick1, whats the app |
| 11:49.31 | boxrick1 | Well in general, in this particular instance its hashicorp vault |
| 11:49.39 | jmcnaught | boxrick1: /usr/bin is for packages only, you can put it in /usr/local/bin, or somewhere in /opt is fine too |
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| 11:49.51 | boxrick1 | Ok fair enough |
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| 11:51.17 | boxrick1 | So I will stick it directly in /usr/local/bin and the PATH is already set so I am good to go |
| 11:51.20 | forcerecon | I think nmap is just scanning the network and reporting back information from a targeted host on the entire local network.. I am trying to understand if the information that is being sent back is just from the router or what it has found on the network.. I will head over to networking shortly.. thanks |
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| 11:52.55 | Parrhesiastes | how can i grep "string" from a zip-archive, eithe all files in the archive or a speficif one, whatevers possible |
| 11:52.58 | Parrhesiastes | (have over 300 files i have to do this with) |
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| 11:53.45 | Ben64 | not sure if anything like that exists for zip |
| 11:54.06 | abrotman | Parrhesiastes: which kind of zip? gzip or pkzip? |
| 11:54.15 | Parrhesiastes | zip/maff |
| 11:54.36 | Parrhesiastes | have to get the urls, and save as mhtml instead :P |
| 11:55.01 | abrotman | I mean, you could extract them to stdout and grep that way .. |
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| 11:56.54 | Parrhesiastes | i can? because its an archive, not just one file |
| 11:57.28 | abrotman | try it and see. |
| 11:57.40 | Parrhesiastes | how? |
| 11:57.42 | abrotman | you're just looking to see if the zip file holds it, not which file in the zip? |
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| 11:58.17 | Parrhesiastes | i dont need to know which file, just the line with string like "Soruce from" |
| 11:58.40 | abrotman | man unzip, there are a few options that might help you |
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| 12:03.14 | Parrhesiastes | 'unzip -c file.maff */index.rdf' did the trick :] |
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| 12:05.24 | k_sze | I just noticed that there's a new intel-microcode update. |
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| 12:06.07 | k_sze | How is 3.20170707.1 different from the earlier 3.20170511.1? |
| 12:06.19 | k_sze | with regards to the SK150, etc. HyperThreading bug. |
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| 12:06.22 | jelly | k_sze, aptitude changelog packagename |
| 12:06.40 | k_sze | jelly: I'm reading http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/non-free/i/intel-microcode/intel-microcode_3.20170707.1_changelog |
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| 12:07.13 | k_sze | but it's not immediately obvious what the change w.r.t to SK150 is. |
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| 12:08.17 | k_sze | The previous version had a "likely" fix, and it only mentioned SK150 (although from reading mailing list discussions, I got the impression that it fixed the whole family of errata, at least for Skylake). |
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| 12:08.51 | petn-randall | k_sze: Since the firmware is non-free, the maintainer is just passing along what they get fed from Intel. |
| 12:09.03 | jelly | ^^ |
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| 12:09.38 | forcerecon | I just did a remote port scan from a windows machine behind the same router and no ports are open.. only from the debian 9 machine.. |
| 12:09.38 | forcerecon | just a fyi |
| 12:10.28 | petn-randall | forcerecon: How is that a FYI? |
| 12:11.05 | jelly | petn-randall, it's a still offtopic fyi |
| 12:11.41 | petn-randall | reads backlog. |
| 12:11.41 | forcerecon | really.. that means that this one machine is stating information that another machine on the same network is not showing.. kinda weeds out the fact that the router is the issue no? |
| 12:12.01 | jelly | !ask |
| 12:12.01 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 12:13.14 | jelly | forcerecon, if you use the exact same tool and the exact same options, using the same lack of local firewall, then you can maybe draw a conclusion |
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| 12:16.16 | shtrb | hi forcereecon |
| 12:16.22 | shtrb | and no , it does not rule out |
| 12:17.00 | shtrb | I think you had a faulty port once, so everything is possible |
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| 12:21.27 | shtrb | forcerecon , and it is not clear if they are connected in the same way (wifi vs network ) , and many windows machine now have auto block all during a scan |
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| 12:28.07 | Aebian | 'find / grep <searchTerm>' is there a better way to find something if locate is not available? |
| 12:28.19 | Aebian | *find / |grep xy |
| 12:28.27 | shtrb | grep xy -rn / |
| 12:28.36 | tw | find / -iname '*xy*' |
| 12:28.40 | tw | or -name |
| 12:28.41 | El_Presidente | I am curious, since stretch is now released, I assume we are "stuck" with apache 2.4.25 right? we will not see any upgraded versions like 2.4.10 for jessie? |
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| 12:29.02 | petn-randall | Aebian: You can install ack (or ack-grep), which does it smarter. |
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| 12:29.28 | Aebian | iname okay thanks tw |
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| 12:29.59 | Aebian | petn-randall: I can't on this system so I asked for a better way with find or shipped debian pkgs ^^ |
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| 12:33.09 | petn-randall | Aebian: ack is shipped in Debian. |
| 12:33.11 | gabriel_sh | hi |
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| 12:33.47 | gabriel_sh | I have a problem with apt-get / aptitude. I changed "jessie" to "testing" in my apt/sources.list but when i run apt-get update nothing happens |
| 12:34.03 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 12:34.03 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 12:34.19 | petn-randall | gabriel_sh: I'm pretty sure *something* happens. |
| 12:34.20 | gabriel_sh | it download some k of packages and when i run upgrade it says no packet to update |
| 12:34.20 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 12:34.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 12:36.22 | gabriel_sh | apt-get update run: https://pastebin.com/hVY0BQnP |
| 12:36.46 | g0zzy | Is it just me or has Thunderbird gone right off? Crashes more and more and junk filter prevention doesn't even work. Please suggest some alternative! What about Evolution? |
| 12:36.59 | gabriel_sh | apt-cache policy https://pastebin.com/xkawm3Nu |
| 12:37.36 | towo^work | gabriel_sh, and what you expect from apt-get update? |
| 12:37.51 | towo^work | gabriel_sh, your paste looks exact, what it should |
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| 12:38.17 | gabriel_sh | I just changed "Jessie" to "Testing" i expect to have a massive update |
| 12:38.33 | towo^work | gabriel_sh, you know, what apt-get update is doing? |
| 12:38.37 | gabriel_sh | yeah |
| 12:38.40 | petn-randall | gabriel_sh: I don't recommend upgrading to testing, since it's only been a few weeks since the release, and there are a ton of library migrations pending. |
| 12:38.56 | towo^work | gabriel_sh, no, you don't |
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| 12:39.12 | petn-randall | gabriel_sh: And we kind of expect people how to use the standard Debian tools before upgrading, so there's less pain involved for everyone. |
| 12:39.22 | gabriel_sh | apt-get is updating the list of packages, isn't it? |
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| 12:39.35 | gabriel_sh | which kind of standard debian tools? |
| 12:40.30 | dury | hi there again guys and all channel :-) |
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| 12:40.49 | gabriel_sh | I'm running debian testing on another laptop right now, and I need the same version of unison on both |
| 12:41.17 | dury | Temkawwa, is not today or what? |
| 12:41.32 | dury | sorry Tenkawa |
| 12:41.55 | petn-randall | gabriel_sh: But *why* are you running testing? It's essentially an untested, not release-ready suite. |
| 12:42.23 | gabriel_sh | I normally use testing because I'm a developer and I need updated softwares |
| 12:42.23 | dury | still fighting with xscreensaver to launch automatically |
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| 12:43.20 | petn-randall | gabriel_sh: If you need updated software, there's stable-backports. |
| 12:43.55 | petn-randall | gabriel_sh: testing breaks regularly, and that's completely expected. And it gets no security support. |
| 12:43.55 | gabriel_sh | I've used testing in the last 4 years, dunno why i should stop using it |
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| 12:44.06 | dury | I figure out that when I type this command "xscreensaver-command -activate" it launches and I |
| 12:44.09 | petn-randall | gabriel_sh: Because you don't know what 'apt-get update' does?? |
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| 12:44.28 | petn-randall | And you apparently haven't found the man pages yet. |
| 12:44.51 | gabriel_sh | yes I do, It download the updated list of packages from the debian mirror, then i can upgrade the packages with apt-get upgrade |
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| 12:45.10 | mint | hi |
| 12:45.27 | dury | ... and I leave it for a while a gnome message come out saying "lock was blocked by an application" |
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| 12:45.45 | mint | debian lxde has tools for wireless or need from wicd |
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| 12:45.53 | mint | lease |
| 12:46.35 | armin | http://base.m2m.pm/2017-07-11-144445_434x106_scrot.png < getting these popups with some task switchers in kde plasma, anything i can do? |
| 12:46.51 | petn-randall | gabriel_sh: It looks like you've pinned testing to -10. See 'man apt_preferences. |
| 12:46.57 | dury | ... and I leave it for a while move the mouse and a gnome message lock was blocked by an application |
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| 12:47.17 | dury | sorry to repeat it |
| 12:47.59 | gabriel_sh | petn-randall: yes! thanks a lot, I did it many months ago and now i totally forgot about it |
| 12:48.03 | dury | can anyone assist me please |
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| 12:48.30 | dury | lock was blocked by an application why that message? |
| 12:48.41 | shtrb | armin , check your theme packages and https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=804638 |
| 12:48.43 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/804638 in kde-plasma-desktop (open): «kde-plasma-desktop: "The window switcher installation is broken"»; severity: minor; opened: 2015-11-10; last modified: 2016-08-12. |
| 12:50.19 | gabriel_sh | thanks everyone |
| 12:50.20 | gabriel_sh | bye |
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| 12:50.23 | petn-randall | gabriel_sh: Now that I read your messages closer, you actually *did* run 'apt-get upgrade' (though it wasn't in the paste). Sorry if I implied that you didn't know the difference. |
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| 12:55.34 | dury | did anyone install proper xscreensaver under gnome |
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| 12:58.48 | dury | grey_, can you assist? |
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| 12:59.20 | dury | lock was blocked by an application |
| 12:59.55 | dury | is that message normal? |
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| 13:07.36 | forcerecon | you know when I watch you people talk to one another I actually laugh a bit.. the responses are so obviously arrogant yet informative at the same time.. |
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| 13:08.05 | Mr_Nodekit | hello |
| 13:09.06 | dury | forcerecon can you assist me |
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| 13:14.03 | petn-randall | !tell dury -abouto ask |
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| 13:16.00 | dury | petn-randall, sorry... what's that? |
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| 13:16.21 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 13:16.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:16.24 | petn-randall | dury: ^^^ |
| 13:16.59 | dury | petn-randall, sorry |
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| 13:18.45 | petn-randall | dury: What OS release are you running? |
| 13:18.46 | forcerecon | dury: I am not familiar with the screensaver under gnome.. I am sorry I cannot help on this issue.. |
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| 13:20.01 | dury | petn-randall, foreceron thanks for answer me really appreciate |
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| 13:20.29 | dury | petn-randall, stretch |
| 13:20.41 | Silmaril | dury: gnome has his own way of locking the machine, you should't use xscreensaver |
| 13:21.25 | petn-randall | dury: I'm guessing the same as Silmaril, if you got several screenlockers running they'll step on each other's feet, so to say. |
| 13:21.45 | dury | Silmaril, xscreensaver is more enjoyable and pretty |
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| 13:22.54 | Silmaril | pretty ? hum we don't have the same definition XD |
| 13:23.06 | petn-randall | dury: Then you'll have to find a way to deactivate the gnome-screensaver. |
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| 13:23.14 | dury | petn-randall, how do I know If I have several screenlockers running |
| 13:23.24 | Silmaril | and by the way a screensaver is here to 'save' the screen, no to be pretty |
| 13:23.29 | petn-randall | dury: Easiest way is to uninstall it, other options are killing the process and removing it from autostart. |
| 13:24.14 | petn-randall | Silmaril: Same here, but other people prefer it to run pretty things. And that's what xscreensaver can also do. Each to their own. |
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| 13:24.39 | dury | petn-randall, how d |
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| 13:25.42 | Silmaril | dury: in anyway it's a question for goole |
| 13:25.55 | Silmaril | and the first answser to gnome 3 xscreensaver is ... https://erikimh.com/gnome3-replace-gnome-screensaver-with-xscreensaver/ |
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| 13:26.42 | dury | petn-randall, apt remove gnome-screensaver |
| 13:26.42 | dury | Reading package lists... Done |
| 13:26.43 | dury | Building dependency tree |
| 13:26.43 | dury | Reading state information... Done |
| 13:26.43 | dury | Package 'gnome-screensaver' is not installed, so not removed |
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| 13:28.00 | dury | sorry to paste that |
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| 13:36.24 | forcerecon | does system monitor ever show any resources? when I open it all I get is 0% for all cpu |
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| 13:48.29 | forcerecon | top works pretty well.. |
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| 13:48.59 | tremolo | I run Debian. Everything works pretty well. |
| 13:49.14 | g0zzy | Is it just me or has Thunderbird gone right off? Crashes more and more and junk filter prevention doesn't even work. Please suggest some alternative! What about Evolution? |
| 13:49.46 | Silmaril | it is just you |
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| 13:50.10 | g0zzy | I don't believe you ;) |
| 13:50.12 | Silmaril | the learning spam filter work pretty well, after he has been thaugh |
| 13:50.42 | g0zzy | Ah - what i mean is a filter that says - don't treat X as junk |
| 13:51.48 | g0zzy | Filter before junk classification|Set Junk status to:Not Junk |
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| 13:54.30 | timeless | has anyone else hit this? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/wIJnpDnJ/ -- lesspipe.sh is bashist |
| 13:55.33 | tw | Is there a jenkins package in one of the debian repositories or do I need to add an external repository to install it? I can't find one that contains jenkins.war |
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| 13:56.18 | timeless | i personally use 500 https://pkg.jenkins.io/debian binary/ Packages |
| 13:56.21 | petn-randall | forcerecon: c'mon, you've already been in this channel for a while, and you know the etiquette. Try asking sensible questions. What system monitor? That term applies to many pieces of software, including 'top' that you mentioned. Also, what do you see? What do expect instead? We don't know any of that. |
| 13:56.58 | g0zzy | If the containment were the other way around, you could have a war of jenkins ear |
| 13:57.12 | tremolo | What is lesspipe.sh? |
| 13:57.17 | timeless | tw: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/B96UjCvC/jenkins.list |
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| 13:57.32 | timeless | tremolo: it's a magical thing that interacts w/ less |
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| 13:57.39 | timeless | some of my systems "just have it" |
| 13:57.44 | tw | tremolo: a magic prefilter less calls to make binary/non-text formats look pretty. |
| 13:57.45 | tremolo | I have /usr/bin/lesspipe, which is a symlink to /bin/lesspipe, but no lesspipe.sh |
| 13:57.46 | timeless | i have no idea where it came from. |
| 13:57.52 | petn-randall | tremolo: Where did you find it? |
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| 13:58.23 | tremolo | petn-randall: timeless mentioned it |
| 13:58.24 | timeless | i.e. dpkg -S doesn't indicate anything owns it |
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| 13:58.26 | forcerecon | petn-randall: loud and clear.. system monitor is a gui system monitor installed by default in debian 9. Its under administration.. just making mention that it never shows any cpu utilization on the first tab |
| 13:58.39 | timeless | which is weird, because i certainly wouldn't have installed it on my own |
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| 13:59.51 | tremolo | My lesspipe was part of the less package. |
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| 14:01.47 | timeless | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:o8EeEbwYHUcJ:www.thephl.ca/File/2017-RegularSeason/_site_map.php%3Faction%3Dview%26file%3D%252Fusr%252Fbin%252Flesspipe.sh+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca |
| 14:02.02 | timeless | the lesspipe.sh that you can /sorta/ see there more or less matches the lesspipe.sh i have |
| 14:02.06 | Silmaril | timeless: lesspipe is part of less package |
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| 14:02.36 | timeless | Silmaril: that's `/bin/lesspipe`, right? |
| 14:02.37 | timeless | i'm asking about `/usr/bin/lesspipe.sh` |
| 14:02.49 | timeless | something gave me a file that looks very much like: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:o8EeEbwYHUcJ:www.thephl.ca/File/2017-RegularSeason/_site_map.php%3Faction%3Dview%26file%3D%252Fusr%252Fbin%252Flesspipe.sh&num=1&hl=en&gl=ca&strip=0&vwsrc=1 |
| 14:02.51 | Silmaril | compatibility alias |
| 14:03.13 | Silmaril | or trace of an old package maybe |
| 14:03.21 | timeless | that's more likely |
| 14:03.27 | timeless | it's from a `pre-dash` time |
| 14:03.36 | timeless | since it assumes that /bin/sh = bash and uses bashisms |
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| 14:04.10 | timeless | i wish i could figure out what provided it. it's on quite a few of my systems and i've not (until now) spent the time hunting down its origins |
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| 14:05.07 | edfox | Hello, i'm having some issues with moving my debian install (on HDD) to an ssd |
| 14:05.12 | Silmaril | you don't have an automation system (chef,puppet,ansible,...) that may have put it here |
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| 14:05.26 | timeless | oh! |
| 14:05.33 | timeless | actually, i think i know what happened |
| 14:05.38 | Silmaril | i don't really recall a time where debian's version used that name |
| 14:05.41 | timeless | since this is a debian system in lxc |
| 14:05.47 | timeless | but the host is rhel |
| 14:06.06 | timeless | the LESSPIPE env var is set in the host and inherited when I use `lxc-attach` |
| 14:06.19 | edfox | I have two partitions, both XFS. One is / and the other one is /boot. I cloned the two partitions to the ssd using xfsdump and xfsrestore, then i installed grub using grub-install on the ssd mbr but the system keeps booting to the old system on hdd even though i select the ssd entry from grub |
| 14:06.21 | timeless | so it's probably my fault |
| 14:06.39 | Silmaril | probably yes ;) |
| 14:07.06 | timeless | i would have been trying to fix `/usr/bin/lesspipe.sh` not found... |
| 14:07.15 | timeless | goes and downloads a non bashist lesspipe.sh |
| 14:07.30 | Silmaril | you don't need to |
| 14:07.38 | timeless | i'm open to alternatives |
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| 14:07.45 | Silmaril | simply do a ln -s lesspipe lesspipe.sh |
| 14:07.49 | tremolo | Link to /bin/lesspipe? |
| 14:07.56 | Silmaril | or change the env variable |
| 14:08.03 | tremolo | or that |
| 14:08.30 | timeless | a symlink results in less not working at all |
| 14:08.55 | timeless | and i don't have a particularly good way of changing the env var as it's inherited via lxc-attach |
| 14:08.58 | timeless | is open to suggestions |
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| 14:10.30 | Silmaril | what give "echo $LESS $LESSOPEN $LESSCLOSE" ? |
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| 14:11.06 | timeless | # echo $LESSOPEN |
| 14:11.06 | timeless | ||/usr/bin/lesspipe.sh %s |
| 14:11.10 | timeless | the other two are empty |
| 14:11.28 | Silmaril | with a double pipe ? |
| 14:11.31 | timeless | yes |
| 14:11.36 | timeless | presumably also a bashist thing |
| 14:11.40 | Silmaril | nope |
| 14:11.46 | timeless | ok |
| 14:11.51 | timeless | has no idea what the double pipe does |
| 14:11.52 | Silmaril | it's a sh error |
| 14:11.56 | Silmaril | it does "OR" |
| 14:12.06 | Silmaril | so .. doesn't work |
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| 14:12.46 | timeless | it works fine in the host... |
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| 14:14.11 | Silmaril | i'm not familiar with lxc-attach, how do you use it eaxctly to login the container ? |
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| 14:14.32 | timeless | like this https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/W7GHsZN0/ |
| 14:14.41 | pesho | hello. I need a help |
| 14:14.42 | timeless | note: this is lxc1 not lxc2 |
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| 14:15.40 | timeless | (snippet from man page) https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/3CH6lsxG/ |
| 14:16.03 | Silmaril | do you have the "--clear-env " option ? |
| 14:16.12 | timeless | oh, i do |
| 14:16.29 | timeless | yuck |
| 14:16.38 | timeless | that's worse https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Qk7Kxsny/ |
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| 14:17.18 | pesho | whats the difference between automatic partitioning/using the whole disk , deleting th whole disk and using a LVM and automatic partitioning/using the whole disk with LVM? |
| 14:17.24 | Silmaril | then alias lx-attach="lxc-attach --clear-env --keep-var TERM " |
| 14:17.28 | Silmaril | something like that |
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| 14:18.46 | Silmaril | i don't have a redhat/centos running but do you have a /usr/bin/lesspipe.sh on the host ? |
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| 14:19.46 | timeless | yeah, which is what i would have copied to try to "Fix" my problems |
| 14:20.12 | timeless | this is the package that gave me the script https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/q8vdsLPC/ |
| 14:20.29 | Silmaril | i think the problem is more in the less version, debian's version doesn't understand the double pipe i think |
| 14:20.52 | timeless | ii less 458-3 amd64 pager program similar to more |
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| 14:21.13 | Silmaril | ESSCLOSE='/usr/bin/lesspipe %s %s' |
| 14:21.13 | Silmaril | LESSOPEN='| /usr/bin/lesspipe %s' |
| 14:21.14 | timeless | the less version from debian is "newer" than the less version from rhel6 |
| 14:21.20 | Silmaril | mine is set like this |
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| 14:21.47 | timeless | so, your alias seems to work |
| 14:22.09 | timeless | it feels like a bit of a hammer, but since the only nail that hammer is used for is this one lxc, it seems like a reasonable hammer |
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| 14:22.39 | petn-randall | pesho: Generally any kind of automatic partitioning in the installer will use some sensible defaults (fsvo "sensible"), if you want something specific do it manually (I recommend this). |
| 14:23.14 | timeless | oh, brother, that cleared HOME |
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| 14:23.31 | timeless | maybe i should have the alias just be `LESSOPEN= lxc-attach ...` |
| 14:23.31 | Silmaril | well clear does clear ;) |
| 14:23.43 | Silmaril | that's another way |
| 14:24.32 | pesho | If I don't know how to do things with debian because I'm new in Debian which one you petn-randall'll recommend me? |
| 14:24.56 | timeless | Silmaril: ok, that works, thanks for walking me through this, i really appreciate it |
| 14:25.03 | petn-randall | pesho: Just pick automatic LVM then. |
| 14:25.17 | Silmaril | timeless: no problem |
| 14:25.21 | petn-randall | pesho: That way you can change a few things around later if you need to. |
| 14:25.38 | Silmaril | the redhat setup is really kinda weird however, it doesn't match any documentation |
| 14:26.04 | pesho | petn-randall whats the difference between automatic and automatic wtih LVM? |
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| 14:26.28 | timeless | Silmaril: i'm looking forward to the day that i can retire all of these rhel systems |
| 14:26.49 | Silmaril | pesho: LVM is a system that allow easier storage management |
| 14:27.17 | petn-randall | pesho: "Automatic" will create paritions/filesystems, "automatic" will create a /boot partition, and put the rest as a PV (physical volume) into LVM, and create LVs (logical volumes) as needed. |
| 14:27.20 | timeless | fwiw https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/5FOdUqud/ |
| 14:28.16 | timeless | admittedly, rhel6 is quite ancient, i wouldn't be surprised if it does something less quirky in a modern rhel |
| 14:28.46 | timeless | great, one minor mystery solved |
| 14:29.00 | pesho | thank you Spetn-randall Silmaril |
| 14:29.24 | timeless | goes back to trying to figure out why the postinst script for mariadb fails miserably (~ the /usr/bin/mysqld_safe script doesn't work properly) |
| 14:29.51 | Silmaril | timeless: look really like a little mistake in typing ${LESSOPEN:-ESSCLOSE='/usr/bin/lesspipe %s %s' |
| 14:29.54 | Silmaril | LESSOPEN='| /usr/bin/lesspipe %s' |
| 14:29.59 | Silmaril | oups |
| 14:30.15 | Silmaril | damm cut'n'paste that's making me mad |
| 14:30.33 | Silmaril | so, timeless: look really like a little mistake in typing ${LESSOPEN:-|/usr/bin/lesspipe.sh %s}" |
| 14:31.25 | __marco | How/where do you usually store the private keys/certificates? |
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| 14:31.54 | __marco | I see /etc/ssl/private, but what permission do you give it? |
| 14:31.55 | timeless | Silmaril: they're consistent, i have two rhel systems i play w/ and both the less.csh and less.sh profile.d files have the || |
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| 14:32.36 | timeless | uses letsencrypt for private keys :) |
| 14:32.39 | Silmaril | yes, found this https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/155063 |
| 14:32.45 | tw | __marco: depends on context. usually /etc/<service>/ssl or /etc/<service>/keys |
| 14:33.04 | petn-randall | __marco: There's /etc/ssl/private for TLS certificates, it should be 0710 belonging to root:ssl-cert. |
| 14:33.13 | Silmaril | but the link about differences in | and || doesn't contain any |
| 14:33.43 | timeless | chuckles |
| 14:34.31 | __marco | petn-randall: why the group is ssl-cert? (I just see that the nginx's master process is ran as root) |
| 14:35.08 | timeless | __marco: the reason is to allow you to put things that shouldn't be root into a group that could access just those files |
| 14:35.21 | Silmaril | probably a deprecated setting |
| 14:35.22 | petn-randall | Silmaril: In shell scripting context the single pipe "|" means "connect the STDOUT of the process left of it to the STDIN of the process right of it. In contrast, the double pipe "||" means "run the left program, if it fails, run the right one". |
| 14:35.31 | Silmaril | petn-randall: yes |
| 14:35.39 | timeless | petn-randall: we know, but it's pretty clear it means something else here |
| 14:35.44 | Silmaril | i know, we are talking in less-context |
| 14:35.49 | petn-randall | __marco: So you can add unprivileged users to that group that need access. |
| 14:35.55 | timeless | although given the documentation, it's totally unclear what it actually means |
| 14:36.00 | tw | __marco: and the ssl-cert group cannot list the directory, because it's execute-only for them. |
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| 14:36.28 | petn-randall | __marco: Most web servers however start as root, bind the privileged ports and read the keys, then drop to an unprivileged uid. So you don't need changing anything there. |
| 14:37.03 | timeless | notably: w/ modern certificates, web servers (and mail servers) need to leave one process as root so that they can reread the cert files |
| 14:37.11 | timeless | since they change every 60 days (and in the future faster) |
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| 14:37.37 | __marco | petn-randall: rw, timeless: right. But why perm to 0710? I would say 0740 or 0640 or even 0440 |
| 14:37.41 | timeless | we're moving away from long lived (5-10/2 yr) certs to short |
| 14:37.57 | timeless | __marco: basically "if your process is configured to read file X, go read it, but don't go snooping" |
| 14:38.11 | timeless | thinks that's right |
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| 14:38.31 | __marco | timeless: 710 is the execute bit for the group |
| 14:38.35 | timeless | it's a directory so the x7xx is so that root can go into the directory |
| 14:38.44 | tw | __marco: It's a directory. It should definitely have +x for anything that needs to access files within it, but they shouldn't get to list the directory (that's +r). |
| 14:38.50 | JyZyXEL | how is a software author able to provide built debian packages for debian jessie for software that depends on Qt 5.5, when jessie only has Qt 5.3? |
| 14:39.21 | JyZyXEL | they probably included the Qt 5.5 libs inside the binary package as binaries? |
| 14:39.41 | __marco | tw: timeless, ah, wait. I supposed that was the files' permission |
| 14:39.55 | __marco | timeless: tw: Thanks for the explanations |
| 14:40.01 | timeless | __marco: you asked about the directory (or ambiguously did) and tw answered for the directory |
| 14:40.11 | timeless | (and i interpreted his answer the same) |
| 14:40.46 | timeless | anyway |
| 14:40.51 | timeless | goes back to mysql/maria hell |
| 14:41.05 | __marco | Yes, I wasn't clear. But all what you said makes sense to me |
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| 15:12.37 | DebWut | Hey, I got a question here.. Is there any package released on debian 8 that will auto install postgresql?.. |
| 15:12.39 | jrmu | anyone have experience using VNT9271 wireless cards? They claim to have AR9271 chipsets. |
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| 15:13.14 | DebWut | I mean debian critical package, like systemd or libc-bin that would output a bash command "apt install postgresql" out of the blue |
| 15:13.41 | petn-randall | DebWut: No, only packages that depend on postgresql would pull it in during installation. |
| 15:13.47 | greycat | DebWut: no. They would never issue an "apt install" command through a shell. |
| 15:13.58 | DebWut | Cuz today, out of the blue, a bash command was registered: "apt install postgresql" |
| 15:14.01 | DebWut | No SSH user online |
| 15:14.04 | petn-randall | DebWut: Tell us about your problem though, not what you assume is the cause. |
| 15:14.25 | petn-randall | DebWut: How was it issued? Did you find it in the bash history? |
| 15:14.30 | greycat | What do mean, "registered"? What have you done? Recompiled bash with a logging hack? |
| 15:15.25 | DebWut | I found it in /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 15:15.25 | Silmaril | DebWut: look at lastlog using "last" |
| 15:15.25 | DebWut | Start-Date: 2017-07-11 11:28:09 Commandline: apt install postgresql |
| 15:15.37 | ioudas^working | Any of you guys messed with request tracker at all? |
| 15:15.39 | Silmaril | to see who was logged in and from where |
| 15:15.45 | greycat | DebWut: well, that file will also tell you who ran the command. |
| 15:15.45 | DebWut | The last ssh login user was Sat 8 Jul, then we ofc logged in after httpd crashed due to this postgresql install took all ram available on the server |
| 15:15.49 | Silmaril | ioudas^working: yeah |
| 15:16.07 | ioudas^working | Silmaril i cant seem to get custom fields to show up on a ticket. What am i doing wrong? |
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| 15:16.22 | DebWut | greycat: I see no username, not even on the command I issued at 16:39 today to remove postgresql |
| 15:16.40 | Silmaril | ioudas^working: hu you could be doing a whole lot of wrong ... |
| 15:16.45 | greycat | You don't have "Requested-By" right under "Commandline"? |
| 15:16.55 | DebWut | But I assume this Install: postgresql-9.4:amd64 (9.4.12-0+deb8u1, automatic), postgresql-common:amd64 (165+deb8u2, automatic) < automatic means its somehow automated installed? |
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| 15:17.11 | DebWut | No, not even under the command I issued almost an hour ago |
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| 15:17.40 | ioudas^working | Any ideas? |
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| 15:18.38 | DebWut | greycat: in /var/log/alternatives.log I got update-alternatives 2017-07-11 11:28:12: run with --install /usr/share/man/man1/psql.1.gz psql.1.gz /usr/share/postgresql/9.4/man/man1/psql.1.gz 94 --slave /usr/share/man/man7/DROP_AGGREGATE.7.gz DROP_AGGREGATE.7.gz /usr/share/postgresq$ which is 3 seconds after the apt install command was issued |
| 15:19.03 | petn-randall | ,v postgresql-9.4 |
| 15:19.04 | judd | Package: postgresql-9.4 on amd64 -- jessie: 9.4.11-0+deb8u2; wheezy-backports: 9.4.12-0+deb8u1~bpo7+1; jessie-proposed-updates: 9.4.12-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 9.4.12-0+deb8u1 |
| 15:19.06 | Silmaril | sometime i hate less, when i'm using '-r' to allow control char i can't get the beginning of my /var/log/apt/history... |
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| 15:20.28 | ioudas^working | neat |
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| 15:20.28 | ioudas^working | sighs |
| 15:20.28 | greycat | Ah, looks like jessie doesn't log "Requested-By". That must be new in stretch. |
| 15:20.35 | Silmaril | ioudas^working: are they global custom field ? |
| 15:20.38 | ioudas^working | yes |
| 15:20.46 | ioudas^working | with a group added with view permission |
| 15:21.01 | Silmaril | greycat: don't have it in sid either |
| 15:21.06 | greycat | Silmaril: they why do I have it on a vanilla stretch box? |
| 15:21.59 | Silmaril | beat me ... |
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| 15:22.20 | greycat | Start-Date: 2017-07-10 11:01:40 |
| 15:22.20 | greycat | Commandline: apt-get install inotify-tools |
| 15:22.20 | greycat | Requested-By: wooledg (563) |
| 15:22.21 | Silmaril | some apt default configuration ? |
| 15:22.35 | DebWut | greycat u do sudo apt-get maybe? |
| 15:22.49 | greycat | Yes. |
| 15:23.19 | DebWut | This was issued straight up. "apt install postgresql" so must have been run as root, which I also did |
| 15:23.25 | DebWut | But the thing is, I always use apt-get install or remove or whatever, didnt even know you could do only "apt" and then install |
| 15:23.46 | greycat | jessie added apt(8) as a command line program. It's crap. |
| 15:23.53 | DebWut | So its defo not me, thats why I kinda wanna find out what software or something that could have issued that command, so I can remove that program :z |
| 15:23.54 | greycat | The stretch version is also crap. |
| 15:24.04 | Silmaril | i like it personnaly |
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| 15:24.30 | Silmaril | well not jessie's one, the latest in stretch/sid is almost complete |
| 15:24.31 | petn-randall | DebWut: How is the root account protected? Is SSH login as root allowed? Do you have a simple password set? |
| 15:24.49 | DebWut | petn-randall: The only logins are me and my partners IPs |
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| 15:24.59 | DebWut | Like I said, last SSH before we logged in today was Sat Jul 08 |
| 15:25.03 | petn-randall | DebWut: That's not my question though. |
| 15:25.09 | DebWut | And you need to access a normal account before su |
| 15:25.12 | petn-randall | DebWut: If you have root, you can edit all those files. |
| 15:25.45 | DebWut | But I got csf firewall. We get a email the second someone SU's |
| 15:25.50 | DebWut | Can't change or edit that retroactively |
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| 15:25.57 | greycat | You keep dodging petn-randall's question. |
| 15:26.29 | DebWut | Ok straight up then |
| 15:26.43 | DebWut | You can not SSH our server, locked to our two IPs. You can not login as root you need to access a user account then you can SU to root. When you SU to root we get an email saying when who what time got root |
| 15:27.02 | ioudas^working | Any of you guys messed with request tracker at all? Cant get the custom fields to show up on a ticket. No matter what i do. |
| 15:27.03 | DebWut | the ssh port is locked to our ips that is |
| 15:27.13 | BluesKaj | HP is kinda slow to upgrade printer driver support. I see stretch still isn't listed in thier linux drivers list |
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| 15:27.44 | Silmaril | BluesKaj: slow is an understatement |
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| 15:27.50 | petn-randall | DebWut: So 'PermitRootLogin' is set to 'no' in /etc/ssh/sshd_config? |
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| 15:28.09 | `ajven | hello, im trying to take TCPdump for eth2 interface on port 8080 and im taking only strange symbols. I use the command like - tcpdump -i eth2 -n dst port 80 -w /tmp/tcpdump/port_80.log What can be wrong ? |
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| 15:29.13 | DebWut | # Authentication: LoginGraceTime 120 PermitRootLogin without-password StrictModes yes |
| 15:29.27 | Silmaril | `ajven: could have an easier to quote username ? Has for your tcpdump if you want the port 8080 you should be filtering on 'port 80' |
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| 15:30.00 | Silmaril | but what do you call "strange symbol" ? |
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| 15:30.41 | Silmaril | DebWut: so someone with an ssh-key, or any other secure method can log-in as root |
| 15:30.45 | Silmaril | directly |
| 15:30.56 | petn-randall | DebWut: So you can log in as root. |
| 15:30.59 | Silmaril | probably bypassing csf in the process |
| 15:31.02 | petn-randall | directly |
| 15:31.03 | DebWut | Silmaril: Yes but you also need to go via one of our IPs to access port 22 |
| 15:31.09 | DebWut | Unless you can alter iptables externally |
| 15:31.24 | greycat | Have you tried asking your "partner" whether (s)he installed postgres? |
| 15:31.34 | DebWut | Yes he is in here aswell reading, it is not one of us. |
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| 15:31.37 | Silmaril | did you look at the output of the "last" command anyway ? |
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| 15:31.47 | DebWut | Also we do not have any ssh key file for root |
| 15:32.36 | greycat | ... currently. |
| 15:32.39 | DebWut | Silmaril: the "last" gives me a list of logins and what times and duration of the login, so the last login shows Sat Jul 08 then we two logged in today after httpd got bricked cuz of ram |
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| 15:33.21 | petn-randall | DebWut: Do you use any kind of configuration management (ansible, chef, puppet, etc) to administer that machine? |
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| 15:33.30 | DebWut | Directadmin |
| 15:33.34 | DammitJim | how terrible is it that the home partition gets unmounted? |
| 15:33.37 | DebWut | With their custombuild |
| 15:33.54 | Silmaril | then someone probably has found a way to your system |
| 15:33.54 | DammitJim | I need to unmounted to decrease it's size and increase the size of another partition |
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| 15:34.21 | DebWut | Silmaril: We've checked all access logs, Directadmin, pureftp etc nothing :/ |
| 15:34.21 | greycat | DammitJim: log out of all user stuff, and probably stop mail deliveries. Might be *easiest* to drop to single user mode. |
| 15:34.31 | DebWut | I mean we get blistered on pop3 bruteforce attempts but thats standard and I doubt accessing exim could give root |
| 15:34.33 | Silmaril | well if they got to root everything is unreliable |
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| 15:34.51 | DammitJim | greycat, I am trying to avoid a reboot |
| 15:34.56 | DammitJim | so, thanks |
| 15:35.24 | DammitJim | seems low impact in my case (this is a server that runs tomcat |
| 15:35.24 | greycat | I think systemd calls it "isolate". |
| 15:35.24 | Aebian | is there a simple way to open a windows nfs on linux? No mount just open it to access files |
| 15:35.28 | greycat | Aebian: you mean a windows CIFS/SMB share? |
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| 15:35.34 | petn-randall | Aebian: Last time I checked Windows doesn't have NFS. |
| 15:35.38 | Aebian | greycat: yes |
| 15:36.02 | greycat | various smbclient programs |
| 15:36.02 | Aebian | like //server/bla/folder/ |
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| 15:36.10 | greycat | mount.cifs may be the easiest way, but smbclient also exists |
| 15:36.15 | DammitJim | greycat, doing an umount /home would tell me if something is using that partition, right? |
| 15:36.16 | DebWut | Silmaril: why would anyone that gains root on a server just "apt install postgresql", leave it, dont configure it or anything just wipe ALL evicendces of them accessing it and then vanishing that seems very far fetched. My thought is that some program or apt or systemd or whatever found that oh, lets install postgresql |
| 15:36.39 | greycat | DammitJim: if it's actively open, the umount will most definitely fail |
| 15:36.39 | Silmaril | DebWut: yes that's the weird thing |
| 15:36.49 | tsarompy | hai #debian |
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| 15:37.34 | Silmaril | petn-randall: you didn't check enough :) |
| 15:37.34 | ioudas^working | Any of you guys messed with request tracker at all? Cant get the custom fields to show up on a ticket. No matter what i do. |
| 15:37.34 | tsarompy | lol @ maliciously installing postgresql for no reason |
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| 15:37.44 | Silmaril | EMC system did use for a long time a windows server as an NFS gateway |
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| 15:38.11 | DebWut | So I am just here trying to find out how it could be that something managed to install a package, since I still highly doubt it was an attacker. Seems very bad to have such software in a production server :x |
| 15:38.25 | jhutchins | Some versions of Windows have NFS support, there is an optional "Services for Unix" suite for others. https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc754350(v=ws.11).aspx |
| 15:38.28 | Silmaril | DebWut: well, that a program by itself started to install postgres is also far-fetched |
| 15:38.31 | petn-randall | DebWut: Why would *systemd* install postgres? |
| 15:38.38 | petn-randall | Or any other program for that matter. |
| 15:38.44 | greycat | DebWut: It's not a thing that any legit packages would do. Maybe someone wrote a shell script to do it, or set up an at job to do it after logging out. |
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| 15:39.41 | DebWut | greycat: Silmaril: petn-randall: Yes thats what I am curious too. when I look in /var/log/apt/term.log of the package install, at the end it says: |
| 15:39.45 | DebWut | Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.19-18+deb8u4) ... Processing triggers for systemd (215-17+deb8u4) ... |
| 15:40.07 | greycat | Near as I can tell, at jobs aren't logged, other than weird PAM session stuff. |
| 15:40.07 | DammitJim | oh man |
| 15:40.07 | DebWut | ^ that for postgresql? |
| 15:40.07 | greycat | DebWut: irrelevant. |
| 15:40.09 | Silmaril | DebWut: that's normal |
| 15:40.23 | petn-randall | DebWut: That are triggered from the postgres install, not the other way around. |
| 15:40.41 | Silmaril | triggers are post-process thing |
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| 15:41.17 | DebWut | And the part Install: postgresql-9.4:amd64 (9.4.12-0+deb8u1, automatic) < automatic has no relevance either of the issued command? |
| 15:41.24 | DebWut | Since it was sent without any flags I suppose :o |
| 15:42.11 | greycat | postgresql depends on postgresql-9.4 or whatever |
| 15:42.18 | Silmaril | or the other way aournd "postgresql" is provided by postgresql-9.4 no ? |
| 15:43.01 | greycat | ,depends postgresql --release jessie |
| 15:43.02 | judd | Package postgresql in jessie/amd64 -- depends: postgresql-9.4. |
| 15:43.31 | Silmaril | so no :D |
| 15:44.40 | Silmaril | ioudas^working: this is surely not the best place to ask questions about RT, it's quite a complicated and specific system |
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| 15:45.34 | ioudas^working | Silmaril i understand thanks for your feed back. However there is no real forums. So i will bug people everywhere i guess. |
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| 15:45.43 | Silmaril | and you should prepare a detailled explanation of what you did |
| 15:46.06 | Silmaril | that's the better way to be banned from everywhere |
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| 15:46.18 | ioudas^working | yawn. |
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| 15:46.45 | Silmaril | also .. https://forum.bestpractical.com/ |
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| 15:48.01 | Silmaril | it's you i suppose https://forum.bestpractical.com/t/custom-fields-not-showing/32088 ... |
| 15:48.38 | Silmaril | "<ioudas^working> yawn." <sarcasm>yeah, that too will give a lot of people incentive to help ...</sarcasm> |
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| 15:49.58 | DebWut | Can the systemd "self-reload"? In the logfiles right about the time before the command was issued to install, systemd was reloaded aswell |
| 15:49.58 | greycat | systemd does not issue "apt" commands |
| 15:49.58 | DebWut | Or is that part of the apt process of triggers? |
| 15:50.25 | Silmaril | i would say it's the trigger |
| 15:50.25 | greycat | That would be the triggers from installing a new service, yes. |
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| 15:51.41 | greycat | The postgresql post-install probably has to do "systemd daemon-reload" and so on. |
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| 15:51.41 | DebWut | Yea, its also after the command was issued so that is accurate event of why it was reloaded |
| 15:51.41 | greycat | (Or arranges for apt to do so.) |
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| 15:51.41 | jhutchins | ioudas^working: Might want to expand what "RT" means in your context. |
| 15:51.41 | Silmaril | probably via the service install process |
| 15:52.09 | ioudas^working | jhutchins it means a simple queue. 1 user and a single field applied to the queue. |
| 15:52.14 | ioudas^working | What else might you need? |
| 15:52.18 | petn-randall | DebWut: Does your csf firewall log any logins or login attempts? Since you can't attribute who had root on that system, /var/log/{utmp,wtmp} is worthless. |
| 15:52.26 | ioudas^working | Steps? Or ? |
| 15:52.46 | greycat | ioudas^working: that does not explain to jhutchins what "RT" stands for. |
| 15:53.18 | greycat | jhutchins: From /lastlog, it apparently is something called "request tracker" |
| 15:53.39 | DebWut | petn-randall: yes it logs all attempts and portscans etc, it gets bombarded |
| 15:53.39 | ioudas^working | ah. ive never used the word RT.... ive always said it stands for request tracker. |
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| 15:53.39 | ioudas^working | request tracker 4 to be specific |
| 15:54.07 | DebWut | But when I got in as root I noticed that rsyslogd was connected to an ip on port 35014, ESTABLISHED (netstat -tap) |
| 15:54.07 | DebWut | Why does rsyslogd accept connections to begin with |
| 15:54.07 | DebWut | The IP it was established with was a tor exit node |
| 15:54.34 | Silmaril | hum ... |
| 15:54.39 | greycat | I don't think rsyslog listens by default. |
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| 15:54.52 | Silmaril | nope, he doesn't |
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| 15:55.46 | Silmaril | it's starting more and more to look like an intrusion |
| 15:55.46 | DebWut | http://nopaste.nl/HXwtGEyUpb |
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| 15:56.22 | DebWut | 89.144.12.15 < that ip was a tor exit node when searched for |
| 15:56.33 | DebWut | Also you see some other weird IPs connecting on port 8080 trying to reach postgresql |
| 15:56.35 | Silmaril | 212.129.54.0 is yours ? |
| 15:56.43 | DebWut | Yea one of few, it has several IPs |
| 15:56.49 | Silmaril | ok |
| 15:57.11 | Silmaril | this is not a standard syslog port |
| 15:57.11 | Silmaril | src or dst |
| 15:57.22 | petn-randall | Time to take the system offline and use forensic tools ... |
| 15:57.42 | Silmaril | offline maybe not, but off-network absolutly |
| 15:58.08 | Silmaril | if you shut it down you could loose a lot of informations |
| 15:58.08 | DebWut | The rsyslogd I constrained by adding it |
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| 15:58.08 | DebWut | It was wide open in the config file |
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| 15:58.48 | Silmaril | i really doubt it is really rsyslog |
| 15:58.48 | DebWut | It had no configuration for ModLoad imudp, Serveradress or ServerRun :/ |
| 15:58.48 | petn-randall | DebWut: It's not so with the config that Debian ships. |
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| 15:59.12 | Silmaril | could easily be a command daemon masquerading as rsyslog |
| 15:59.43 | DebWut | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 577344 Dec 19 2015 /usr/sbin/rsyslogd this one I presume is not modified |
| 15:59.46 | DebWut | The date is the install date of the machine |
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| 16:00.32 | petn-randall | DebWut: Look at the backups when that file changed. |
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| 16:02.09 | Silmaril | DebWut: you know that any program can "say" it's called "/usr/sbin/rsyslogd" after it has started, don't you ? |
| 16:02.09 | DebWut | petn-randall: 19 Dec 2015 was server install date, the bin was modified then and the conf file was 19 Dec before I changed it today |
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| 16:02.17 | DebWut | Silmaril: yes ofcourse |
| 16:03.06 | petn-randall | DebWut: And you know that root can change the mtime of any file? |
| 16:03.06 | Silmaril | and you can change the modified date of a file (tar does it everyday) |
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| 16:03.14 | DebWut | But I can still not grasp that they managed to get root without us getting a SU warning |
| 16:03.42 | DebWut | You _cannot_ ssh in directly as root, you can not use a ssh key either because port 22 is closed and only accessable for two ips |
| 16:03.44 | DebWut | Which makes me go mental |
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| 16:04.10 | petn-randall | DebWut: But apparently your firewall let rsyslog be accessible from the world ... |
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| 16:04.32 | Silmaril | using the webserver, a php/cgi script with a flaw and a few local privilege enhancement flaw |
| 16:04.58 | DebWut | Yea we've added blocked and open ports, since its for web I guess we did not care about over port 10k |
| 16:05.07 | petn-randall | DebWut: You firewall is not closed by default?? |
| 16:05.10 | petn-randall | *Your |
| 16:05.28 | petn-randall | Meaning any ports not explicitely listed are allowed by default? |
| 16:06.01 | DebWut | It is but according to a DirectAdmin config we've got PassivePorts 35000 35999 |
| 16:06.08 | DebWut | https://help.directadmin.com/item.php?id=71 |
| 16:06.36 | Silmaril | that's for ftp session |
| 16:07.00 | DebWut | I dont know if he targeted this because it responded on 2222 (da port) and he used 35011 because he know most will have it open running DA |
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| 16:08.15 | Silmaril | also even a webserver need some high port for speaking with their clients after tcp's accept |
| 16:08.15 | Silmaril | but this should be taken care by an ESTABLISHED rule |
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| 16:09.06 | petn-randall | Silmaril: That is not how web servers work. |
| 16:09.19 | ioudas^working | Any of you guys messed with request tracker at all? Cant get the custom fields to show up on a ticket. No matter what i do on a new install. Single queue, single user. |
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| 16:10.55 | DebWut | As we are speaking I got this lol |
| 16:10.55 | DebWut | :35011 tor-exit-relay.an:55797 ESTABLISHED 16661/cron |
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| 16:10.55 | Silmaril | petn-randall: sorry yes got my shit mixed |
| 16:11.06 | Silmaril | DebWut: your system is under someone else control |
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| 16:11.17 | Silmaril | probably even root-kit-ed |
| 16:11.21 | petn-randall | DebWut: So what services are running on there, and when have you last applied security updates? |
| 16:11.37 | DebWut | petn-randall: It's updated via Directadmin custombuild |
| 16:11.48 | jhutchins | DebWut: Very simple procedure at this point: Disconnect from net, build new instance, restore backup from before attack. |
| 16:11.49 | petn-randall | DebWut: That being said, after analysis, scrap the whole machine and restart from scratch. |
| 16:12.04 | jhutchins | DebWut: If you've been hacked you can trust NOTHING on that system. |
| 16:12.06 | petn-randall | DebWut: So that means security updates are not applied? |
| 16:12.25 | DebWut | petn-randall: only software updates |
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| 16:13.30 | petn-randall | DebWut: Are debian package security updates applied regularly or not? It's a simple yes/no question. |
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| 16:13.44 | DebWut | No no apt updates |
| 16:13.51 | DebWut | The packages arent installed via apt either |
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| 16:14.14 | petn-randall | DebWut: But the OS is. |
| 16:14.15 | DebWut | Yea, but no apt upgrade since Dec 2015 |
| 16:14.35 | petn-randall | DebWut: Then I'm guessing it's one of the dozen remote code execution that have been found since. |
| 16:14.37 | Silmaril | then your system is full of holes |
| 16:15.18 | DebWut | So you think its better to downgrade debian version then? |
| 16:15.22 | petn-randall | DebWut: Throw away the whole installation, start from scratch. |
| 16:15.32 | DebWut | The servers are practically unmaintained, DA updates the software on them but not the security appliances |
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| 16:15.47 | DebWut | Yes I am asking for a fresh go, on a live production server |
| 16:15.58 | Silmaril | downgrade ? hell no, you need to upgrade |
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| 16:16.19 | jhutchins | Actually, you need a clean new build. |
| 16:16.20 | Silmaril | and throw away all previous instances |
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| 16:16.43 | petn-randall | DebWut: I personally wouldn't use direct admin, anything "web" shouldn't have root on the server. |
| 16:16.43 | Silmaril | but on the new one you need to upgrade regullarly |
| 16:17.00 | Silmaril | yep, like he said :) |
| 16:17.00 | petn-randall | DebWut: Use as many Debian packages as possible, and use unattended-upgrades to keep the system up-to-date. |
| 16:17.31 | DebWut | Silmaril: yea the apt updates will be a must, but the software packages such as mysql, exim etc DirectAdmin handles very well, even release long before debian apt lists |
| 16:17.45 | petn-randall | DebWut: If you can find a remote shell binary they're using you can probably upload that to virustotal.com to see what kind of malware you got. |
| 16:17.59 | petn-randall | DebWut: Seems like it didn't ... |
| 16:18.30 | jhutchins | Simply having the latest version of software doesn't ensure security. Testing and code review are important. |
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| 16:19.24 | DebWut | petn-randall: we've found the cron.php |
| 16:19.24 | petn-randall | DebWut: Port scan your machine from the outside, I'm half expecting the firewall was set up wrong and many services are reachable over the internet. |
| 16:19.24 | DebWut | Responsible |
| 16:19.24 | DebWut | from a nulled interspire email marketing script |
| 16:19.45 | DebWut | ^ cant find any evil code or anything, have no clue why it would accept connections either |
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| 16:20.36 | DebWut | http://nopaste.nl/Wfw5SsQAXo < cron.php |
| 16:20.36 | jhutchins | DebWut: You can't trust any of the tools you're using to investigate this. |
| 16:22.09 | Cl0udN9ne | http://paste.debian.net/975934/ |
| 16:22.20 | Cl0udN9ne | why am i getting this when running this sh file |
| 16:22.23 | petn-randall | DebWut: I'm surprised they didn't patch netstat/ps/top to hide their root kits. |
| 16:22.48 | Cl0udN9ne | cp: cannot stat 'libplugin1.so.0.1': No such file or directory |
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| 16:23.15 | petn-randall | Cl0udN9ne: Sounds pretty self-explainatory. Line 20 is looking for that file, it doesn't exist. |
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| 16:23.45 | Silmaril | petn-randall: well they possibly are patched , i've never seen cron accepting remote tcp connection |
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| 16:23.58 | Cl0udN9ne | petn-randall: thnx |
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| 16:24.16 | petn-randall | Silmaril: Any process can change the process name, there are no guarantees there. |
| 16:24.42 | Silmaril | yes, well i told it just earlier |
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| 16:24.55 | kang0 | Anyone uses wireshark? |
| 16:25.07 | Silmaril | but another way is via kernel rootkit or modified userland |
| 16:26.13 | petn-randall | kang0: Probably many people. Better ask your real question. |
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| 16:29.20 | kang0 | What are fun things to learn by using Wireshark |
| 16:29.33 | petn-randall | DebWut: Also expect that *everything* on that machine has been backed up by the attacker, so take precautions regarding any compromised data. |
| 16:30.01 | petn-randall | kang0: Are you using Kali or Parrot? |
| 16:30.12 | DebWut | Yea we are working on moving some day old backups |
| 16:30.26 | kang0 | Nope. Linux mint petan |
| 16:30.26 | DebWut | Wont risk moving over infected content so we are rolling back a bit |
| 16:30.26 | kang0 | petn-randall |
| 16:30.46 | petn-randall | !mint |
| 16:30.46 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 16:30.53 | petn-randall | kang0: You might want to ask in their channel. ^^^ |
| 16:31.20 | kang0 | My query isn't about mint |
| 16:31.56 | kang0 | !kali |
| 16:31.56 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 16:32.09 | greycat | If your query is about wireshark, ask #wireshark |
| 16:32.25 | greycat | Don't just pick a random OS channel that isn't even your OS. |
| 16:32.28 | kang0 | My query Is also not about wireshark |
| 16:32.42 | tsarompy | s/kali/skiddie/g |
| 16:32.42 | tsarompy | :y |
| 16:32.56 | kang0 | It's about fun possible ways if someone experienced with it |
| 16:33.31 | greycat | wondering if he got banned from #wireshark for being an obvious script kiddie, or if he's just not able to join the channel due to not-registered or other technical failure. |
| 16:33.46 | kang0 | !parrot |
| 16:33.46 | dpkg | Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 16:33.54 | tsarompy | lol |
| 16:33.55 | kang0 | Asking is better than wondering |
| 16:33.56 | tsarompy | !windows |
| 16:33.57 | dpkg | "PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft Windows operating systems is available in ##windows on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:34.40 | tsarompy | !freebsd |
| 16:34.40 | dpkg | i guess freebsd is NOT better than Debian, and it is not worse. It is just different. Admittedly one might be more interested in using FreeBSD as a server OS rather than as a desktop workstation. http://www.freebsd.org/ ##freebsd on irc.freenode.net. For the Debian port, ask me about <kfreebsd>. |
| 16:34.47 | petn-randall | tsarompy, kang0, stop abusing the bot. |
| 16:34.51 | greycat | If you want to chat with dpkg, please do it in /msg or /query |
| 16:34.57 | tsarompy | >:| |
| 16:34.59 | tsarompy | ok |
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| 16:35.31 | petn-randall | tsarompy, kang0, this is a Debian support channel. If you have any *Debian*-related questions, feel free to ask in here. Any other request please take to the channel where it is on-topic. |
| 16:35.36 | ioudas^working | Any of you guys messed with request tracker at all? Cant get the custom fields to show up on a ticket. No matter what i do on a new install. Single queue, single user. |
| 16:35.41 | kang0 | petn-randall tsaromp is bot? |
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| 16:35.51 | greycat | Fuck, now ioudas^working is back to repeat-spamming his initial question. |
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| 16:45.04 | pastaman | Hey, i'm looking to create test packages for an application and i just wanted to know how the postinst detects if it is a fresh install or a package upgrade? I would like to have a different set of instructions if the package is only being upgraded |
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| 16:45.46 | hexhaxtron | greycat: I still didn't fix my permissions problem. Can you help me with that? |
| 16:45.51 | pastaman | would checking if the directory etc existing be a good way or is there a better way? |
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| 16:46.14 | greycat | hexhaxtron: I cannot reproduce your issue on nginx/wheezy at all. |
| 16:46.33 | petn-randall | pastaman: IIRC your postinst scripti gets 'install', 'upgrade', etc. passed as first argument. You'd have to check the packaging docs for details. |
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| 16:46.57 | petn-randall | !packaging |
| 16:46.57 | dpkg | See http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers for information on how to package for Debian. Also ask me about <nmg> <package basics> <policy> <mentors> and <best practices>. |
| 16:47.03 | petn-randall | pastaman: That also might help ^^^ |
| 16:47.46 | hexhaxtron | greycat: can you spare 15 minutes with VNC or TeamViewer? |
| 16:47.57 | greycat | that's funny. ha ha. |
| 16:48.02 | pastaman | petn-randall: thanks, i'll take a gander at it! |
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| 16:49.33 | greycat | hexhaxtron: what's in your nginx config for the ~user/ stuff? |
| 16:50.29 | hexhaxtron | greycat: https://paste.debian.net/975937/ |
| 16:50.49 | hexhaxtron | greycat: line 50. |
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| 16:51.49 | greycat | hexhaxtron: no no no, that's in a http block. You need the one in the server block. Line 117 or so. |
| 16:53.31 | hexhaxtron | greycat: what should I do? |
| 16:53.52 | greycat | oh, wait you have another server block at line 37 ... :( |
| 16:54.29 | greycat | But they both say server_name localhost; |
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| 16:55.11 | greycat | Your indentation is utterly crazy. I can't tell what's where. The normal Debian nginx config has each server block in a separate file in sites-available/ |
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| 16:56.01 | greycat | I can't tell whether your server block at line 104 is used *at all*. |
| 16:56.27 | hexhaxtron | greycat: I don't know what I did but I think that one is for thunix.org and the other for www.thunix.org |
| 16:56.40 | greycat | Are those in vhosts.d/*.conf then? |
| 16:57.12 | hexhaxtron | I think not. |
| 16:57.17 | greycat | Oh, you have TWO server_name lines in each server block. One at the top and one at the bottom. My god. |
| 16:57.28 | greycat | This is unreadable. |
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| 16:58.09 | hexhaxtron | greycat: can you fix it? |
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| 16:59.06 | greycat | Which virtual host are you using when you experience the problem? With or without www? |
| 16:59.31 | greycat | I'm *guessing* the second server_name line wins and overwrites the first one in each block... |
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| 17:01.05 | hexhaxtron | greycat: with both. |
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| 17:02.43 | greycat | hexhaxtron: since I don't remember... what version of Debian, and what version of nginx? |
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| 17:03.33 | hexhaxtron | greycat: Debian 9 and nginx version: nginx/1.10.3 |
| 17:03.33 | greycat | For anyone else trying to follow along: hexhaxtron claims that if he does "chmod 711 ~user" then nginx gives a 403 for domain/~user/file |
| 17:03.36 | hexhaxtron | Yup. |
| 17:04.05 | hexhaxtron | That actually happens here for some reason. |
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| 17:14.15 | Irulan | hello. Since I upgraded to stretch, one of my xen hosts hangs every few days |
| 17:14.29 | Irulan | here is the dmesg: https://paste.debian.net/975936/ |
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| 17:15.39 | Irulan | I tried with linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64 and linux-image-4.9.0-3-rt-amd64 ; and got the same behaviour |
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| 17:16.57 | tsarompy | lol |
| 17:17.03 | tsarompy | anyone getting any funky sudo errors |
| 17:17.30 | somiaj | why not share the error you are getting, use paste.debian.net if it is more than a single line |
| 17:17.38 | tsarompy | i set NOPASSWD in visudo and it randomly asks me for my password and then insists its wrong |
| 17:17.44 | tsarompy | oh just an observation |
| 17:17.46 | tsarompy | ill find a fix |
| 17:17.47 | Irulan | other guests do not hang this way (the hang is pretty definitive, machine is unresponsive from network and console. When it happens at night, machine is struck in the morning) |
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| 17:18.00 | greycat | hexhaxtron: I just installed nginx on this desktop machine, set up a VERY minimal /~user/ snippet in a server block for localhost, and tested. I can't reproduce your issue. chmod 711 ~ and it still loads the file. |
| 17:19.22 | somiaj | tsarompy: you would need to give some actual info, what is the exact line you set in your sudoers file, are there any other lines/groups that could be taking presisence, etc. |
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| 17:20.24 | tsarompy | lol i found out what it was |
| 17:20.33 | tsarompy | for some reason my standard user account was removed from the group sudo |
| 17:20.34 | tsarompy | weird |
| 17:20.59 | Irulan | I have a few another debian guests on this host which works well (but they have WAY less services) |
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| 17:25.09 | nkuttler | meh, how do i get rid of python-minimal and get a real python2? |
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| 17:30.16 | jordanm | nkuttler: install the "python" package, but that doesn't get "rid" of -minimal, since -minimal is a dependency of the python2.7 package |
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| 17:31.27 | greycat | P.S. python is priority standard, so it should have been installed by default, unless you overrode the "standard" choice during install. |
| 17:31.27 | hexhaxtron | greycat: https://paste.debian.net/975943/ |
| 17:31.35 | hexhaxtron | greycat: could it be the different groups? |
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| 17:32.02 | greycat | hexhaxtron: did you do "chmod -R" instead of "chmod"??!? |
| 17:32.17 | hexhaxtron | greycat: no, just chmod alone. |
| 17:32.27 | greycat | Then why does your index.html file has 711 perms? |
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| 17:32.51 | hexhaxtron | To see if it would work... |
| 17:32.51 | greycat | Is your chmod an alias or something? |
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| 17:33.09 | hexhaxtron | I don't know. |
| 17:33.10 | greycat | /home/h/hexhaxtron/ should be 711 and www should be 755 and index.html should be 644 |
| 17:33.23 | hexhaxtron | Just a moment. |
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| 17:34.22 | hexhaxtron | greycat: I did that. I still get 403 Forbidden. |
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| 17:36.18 | hexhaxtron | greycat: I'm going to sleep. I'll be back tomorrow. See you! |
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| 17:44.57 | Tenkawa | hi all |
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| 18:00.53 | Optic | hey folks, is the pepperflash-nonfree package removed from stretch? is there an alternative? |
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| 18:01.20 | Optic | I the Flash related pages on the debian wiki don't have any Stretch info yet, that I've seen |
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| 18:01.34 | Optic | pepperflashplugin-nonfree, rather |
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| 18:05.35 | pbourne | any americans here? |
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| 18:05.36 | greycat | !ask |
| 18:05.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:06.12 | pbourne | is it true that you can easily find yourself in debt for tens of thousands for hospital bills if you have a minor injury in the USA? |
| 18:06.36 | greycat | If you don't have a Debian question, please go somewhere else. |
| 18:06.36 | pbourne | ok |
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| 22:48.02 | jim | did you install a kernel from apt-get? |
| 22:49.26 | Lope | my apt-get isn't functioning |
| 22:49.37 | Lope | getting it unsecurely from the site. |
| 22:50.34 | jim | a linux-image deb? |
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| 22:50.39 | bubba9 | hey yall |
| 22:50.44 | jim | hi |
| 22:50.45 | bubba9 | how do i get asla working on jessie? |
| 22:50.52 | bubba9 | seems to be installed , volume up on mixer, etc |
| 22:50.55 | bubba9 | but still wont work! |
| 22:51.15 | bubba9 | how long will multimedia not work on linux? |
| 22:51.30 | jim | 24.6 inches? |
| 22:51.31 | bubba9 | flash works fine now, but not audio!!! |
| 22:51.35 | bubba9 | what |
| 22:51.52 | bubba9 | how do i configure the package to work! |
| 22:52.04 | bubba9 | upgrade to unstable? |
| 22:52.05 | jim | oh, that's a time duration... |
| 22:52.05 | Lope | jim: yes |
| 22:52.17 | jim | oops :) |
| 22:52.23 | jmcnaught | bubba9: do things other than flash make sound? |
| 22:55.32 | jim | Lope, that could work |
| 22:55.32 | Lope | jim, yeah I expect it should |
| 22:55.32 | bubba9 | dunno |
| 22:55.32 | bubba9 | how can i test? |
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| 22:55.32 | bubba9 | audio mixer doesnt have a test buttons |
| 22:55.32 | jmcnaught | bubba9: try to open something from /usr/share/sounds |
| 22:55.32 | jim | thaqt';s probably a good point |
| 22:55.32 | bubba9 | how can i run something in bash in that dir? |
| 22:55.32 | bubba9 | yeh mixer should have a test button |
| 22:55.32 | bubba9 | lol |
| 22:55.32 | jim | the mixer should have test buttons |
| 22:55.32 | bubba9 | yes |
| 22:55.32 | bubba9 | then slap my name next to it |
| 22:55.32 | bubba9 | hell, instead of test you can call it bubba9 |
| 22:55.32 | jim | bubba9 ./scriptfilename.sh |
| 22:55.32 | bubba9 | permission denied when trying to run the wav |
| 22:55.35 | bubba9 | ./file.wav |
| 22:55.37 | bubba9 | under root |
| 22:55.52 | jim | that's not an executable :) |
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| 22:55.58 | jmcnaught | bubba9: open that directory in a file manager |
| 22:56.46 | bubba9 | nah sound doesnt work with vlc player either |
| 22:56.55 | bubba9 | ITS BROKEN! |
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| 22:57.49 | bubba9 | it seems setup fine just doesnt work |
| 22:57.53 | bubba9 | using elitebook |
| 22:58.06 | bubba9 | why alsa doesnt work!!!! |
| 22:58.06 | jmcnaught | bubba9: run alsamixer (not as root) and hit F6 to select your sound card, then use left, right arrow keys, look for channels that you can toggle, stuff like auto-mute for example |
| 22:58.13 | bubba9 | hang on |
| 22:58.19 | jmcnaught | bubba9: please cut down on the noise |
| 22:59.14 | bubba9 | same thing |
| 22:59.26 | bubba9 | card, pulse audio |
| 23:01.11 | bubba9 | hda intel pch |
| 23:01.11 | jmcnaught | alsamixer sometimes show special channels not exposed by other mixers, sometimes there are weird toggles there that you need to switch to produce sound |
| 23:01.59 | jmcnaught | bubba9: the next place to look is pavucontrol (which you may need to install) |
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| 23:02.36 | jmcnaught | you should also confirm that you're not outputting audio to a device you didn't expect, like an HDMI out for your monitor |
| 23:02.48 | bubba9 | im not |
| 23:02.51 | bubba9 | just a basic laptop bro |
| 23:02.55 | bubba9 | im turned up everything but mic |
| 23:02.59 | bubba9 | still not working |
| 23:03.30 | jmcnaught | bubba9: are you in GNOME? |
| 23:03.33 | bubba9 | no xfce |
| 23:03.59 | bubba9 | Chip: Intel PantherPoint HDMI |
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| 23:05.15 | bubba9 | can you not produce logs ? |
| 23:05.26 | jmcnaught | me? |
| 23:05.32 | bubba9 | well help me to? |
| 23:05.35 | bubba9 | would that help to debug? |
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| 23:05.54 | jmcnaught | bubba9: try "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" as root |
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| 23:06.22 | bubba9 | sec |
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| 23:06.22 | jmcnaught | bubba9: also get some headphones, try those |
| 23:06.26 | bubba9 | Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono |
| 23:06.31 | bubba9 | i have, headphones dont work either |
| 23:06.39 | cheapie | Or if you really hate your ears, "aplay /dev/urandom" :P |
| 23:06.43 | bubba9 | ill rerun that command with headphones, 1 sec |
| 23:07.30 | bubba9 | same thing with headphones on |
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| 23:07.53 | bubba9 | inserted headphone jack and speakers turned off auto, so card must work |
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| 23:08.26 | bubba9 | how was elite book never tested properly? |
| 23:09.08 | jmcnaught | bubba9: how do you think that a volunteer project like Debian tests all the combinations of hardware out there? People find bugs, and they report them |
| 23:09.13 | mutante | you didn't install it? |
| 23:09.40 | bubba9 | install what? |
| 23:09.40 | bubba9 | yes i know |
| 23:09.42 | bubba9 | but elitebook was popular i thought, high end |
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| 23:10.01 | mutante | did you try to google "debian on elitebook" before you bought it? |
| 23:10.07 | bubba9 | no lol |
| 23:10.12 | bubba9 | im not crazy :P |
| 23:10.33 | Lope | Wow I could really facepalm right now |
| 23:10.40 | jmcnaught | bubba9: "lspci -nn |grep -i audio" |
| 23:10.45 | Lope | the source of much of my problems is I did not create a /tmp dir in the newly copied fs |
| 23:10.51 | Lope | cos I excluded /tmp |
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| 23:11.36 | bubba9 | 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:1e20] (rev 04) |
| 23:11.36 | mutante | bubba9: We have different definitons of crazy. |
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| 23:11.44 | jmcnaught | ,pciid 8086:1e20 |
| 23:11.45 | judd | [8086:1e20] is '7 Series/C216 Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1e20 |
| 23:11.48 | garn32 | question: trying to run "sudo pactl set-sink-input-volume 2" but keep getting "pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused", pulseaudio is set to autostart... any one have a clue on how to make the command work? |
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| 23:12.09 | jmcnaught | garn32: did you try without sudo? |
| 23:12.18 | bubba9 | apt-get install snd-hda-intel ? |
| 23:12.55 | garn32 | jmcnaught: yes I have tried running it with and without, but I would double check |
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| 23:12.55 | jmcnaught | bubba9: no that's a module name, but it suggests that the hardware is supported and you have a configuration bug somewhere |
| 23:13.02 | bubba9 | its vanilla install tho |
| 23:13.22 | bubba9 | YOU have a config problem somewhere, not I. |
| 23:14.00 | jmcnaught | bubba9: we're all in this together, but if you don't drop the attitude then you're not going to get any help |
| 23:14.10 | bubba9 | just messing with you |
| 23:14.13 | bubba9 | yes |
| 23:14.14 | bubba9 | but how do i fix it |
| 23:14.24 | bubba9 | snd-hda-intel is in the kernel broseph |
| 23:14.45 | bubba9 | vanilla install, no custom configs, sound doesnt work with snd-hda-intel |
| 23:14.48 | bubba9 | completely upgraded |
| 23:15.54 | jmcnaught | bubba9: https://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Help_To_Debug_Intel_HDA#.27model.27_parameter |
| 23:16.10 | jmcnaught | you could try the model parameter |
| 23:16.25 | bubba9 | saw that but cant find nano /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
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| 23:17.02 | bubba9 | fbdev-blacklist.conf modesetting.conf <-- only files in dir |
| 23:17.48 | jmcnaught | bubba9: you can make new files in that directory |
| 23:18.11 | bubba9 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto |
| 23:18.11 | PipeItToDevNull | Ok, so I saw a way to "make" when compiling a kernel that looks at what is currenly loaded, and only builds that. I cannot find it again for the life of me. It is an argument like makeoldconfig |
| 23:18.11 | bubba9 | k |
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| 23:18.57 | jmcnaught | bubba9: that ubuntu link has a warning it's out of date⦠|
| 23:19.01 | bubba9 | alsa force-reload >> command not found. |
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| 23:19.13 | bubba9 | does it still need to be same file name tho? |
| 23:20.11 | bubba9 | going to try this; options snd-hda-intel model=basic |
| 23:20.17 | bubba9 | but how do i force reload so i dont have to reboot? |
| 23:20.17 | jmcnaught | bubba9: what does "grep Codec /proc/asound/card0/codec*" say? |
| 23:21.02 | bubba9 | https://pastebin.com/675Msu3k |
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| 23:25.07 | bubba9 | tried /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart |
| 23:25.13 | bubba9 | daemon doesnt output anything to term |
| 23:25.54 | jmcnaught | bubba9: it would require unloading modules and reloading them using modprobe, probably easier to reboot. Where did you get the info to decide on model=basic? |
| 23:26.01 | Lope | okay i give up |
| 23:26.07 | Lope | jim: lol |
| 23:26.12 | bubba9 | my brain |
| 23:26.16 | bubba9 | which should i use? basic? |
| 23:26.21 | garn32 | jmcnaught: figured it out, missed playing with the firewall, I have fixed my issue, thanks for the previous quick help |
| 23:26.54 | bubba9 | alsa should have a reset option per init.d |
| 23:27.15 | bubba9 | daemon claims it does, doesnt work either |
| 23:28.39 | Imbattible | Hi there! |
| 23:28.40 | bubba9 | brb, going down for reboot |
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| 23:29.58 | bubba9 | thx for help thus far |
| 23:30.00 | bubba9 | be back in a jiffy |
| 23:30.27 | Imbattible | Anyone know how to create an undetectable reverse shell :) |
| 23:31.26 | bubba9 | wait, wait!!! |
| 23:31.27 | bubba9 | it works! |
| 23:31.35 | bubba9 | weird. |
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| 23:32.03 | bubba9 | but yeh so that file must have been needed. |
| 23:32.30 | bubba9 | whats a good song? |
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| 23:32.49 | jmcnaught | bubba9: sweet! you could try it again without the file, see if it was something else you did, but i'm glad you got it working |
| 23:33.13 | Kilo`byte | so i have mounted an existing debian in another debian. both are from different architecture (outer is x86, inner is arm). can i get the outer apt to update or install packages in the inner debian |
| 23:33.16 | bubba9 | well, i looked into the audio mixer gui and unmuted also |
| 23:33.26 | bubba9 | dunno, i tried that before no cigar tho |
| 23:33.26 | Kilo`byte | i can't chroot since the architectures don't match |
| 23:34.17 | bubba9 | later yall. peace out! :) |
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| 23:34.56 | jmcnaught | Kilo`byte: you'll probably need to run it inside qemu |
| 23:35.14 | Digz | Kilo`byte, if you merely mounted the drive that other linux is on.... then no.... you can't. I don't know if virtualbox can virtualize arm environments (I suspect not) but I think the only way to update it is to mount that disk into an arm computer and boot it up |
| 23:35.37 | Kilo`byte | in particular i want to have a pi image bootable via pxe which is mounted readonly via nfs but with ability to update it without needing dedicated hardware to update it |
| 23:35.59 | Digz | ah! qemu should be able to run arm indeed! |
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| 23:36.14 | Kilo`byte | qemu can for sure, but in this case i was simplifying. there is no actual block device to forward into a vm |
| 23:36.49 | Digz | where did the mounted image come from? |
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| 23:37.20 | Kilo`byte | either created on actual hardware or via debootstrap. it doesn't exist yet, i am just planning for whats possible |
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| 23:37.55 | Kilo`byte | plan is to have around ~9 pis for unattended displays which just use network boot so i don't have to maintain 9 individual setups |
| 23:38.19 | Kilo`byte | but thats worthless if i can't easily update them from a central point |
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| 23:43.55 | jim | Lope, right now in your particular situation it's unfortunate... but who knows, the debian-specific stuff and how they do and did things, might grow on you |
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| 23:46.42 | jim | it's not a good idea to mess with debian packaging, -if- you hope to use the resulting mechanisms that have been put in place to make a much larger system work |
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| 23:49.06 | gtt | when I start the openvpn server, it says active(exited) SUCCESS as shown here: http://termbin.com/e318 |
| 23:49.18 | gtt | but I don't see the service listening in port 1194 |
| 23:49.43 | gtt | through netstat -ltup |
| 23:50.03 | gtt | and I don't see any errors, clearly the service isn't starting but systemd is telling me that it is |
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| 23:50.18 | gtt | I don't see anything in the journal |
| 23:51.03 | Lope | jim: no worries mate |
| 23:51.23 | Lope | I've been wanting to upgrade for ages |
| 23:51.23 | Lope | /reinstall, etc |
| 23:51.28 | Lope | so it's just forced me to do it. |
| 23:51.32 | aaro | lsof -i :1194 gtt |
| 23:52.21 | gtt | aaro: nothing |
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| 23:52.55 | aaro | gtt try with sudo |
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| 23:52.55 | gtt | could it have anything to do with user nobody and group nogroup? |
| 23:52.58 | gtt | failing silently but how come systemctl says it's success |
| 23:53.02 | gtt | aaro: I'm already root |
| 23:54.22 | jmcnaught | Kilo`byte: maintain them with ansible playbooks store in a git repo, or saltstack maybe |
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| 23:54.46 | Kilo`byte | yeah, i was thinking saltstack too |
| 23:54.47 | Kilo`byte | that'd be the alternative |
| 23:56.47 | gtt | now it is working, but such an obscure solution it should be printed |
| 23:56.57 | gtt | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/212621/debian-8-jessie-with-openvpn-client |
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