| 00:00.05 | pbourne | look at that infographics |
| 00:00.13 | laurus | I fixed it by looking at what NetworkManager said the DNS should be, and put those numbers into /etc/resolv.conf as nameservers. |
| 00:00.24 | laurus | So, how do I make /etc/resolv.conf automatically look at what NetworkManager thinks things should be? |
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| 00:04.30 | dondelelcaro | laurus: ah, cool. I use resolvconf with networkmanager myself |
| 00:05.30 | laurus | dondelelcaro, how do I do that? |
| 00:05.30 | dondelelcaro | laurus: apt-get install resolvconf; should do it for you |
| 00:05.30 | dondelelcaro | laurus: you might need to also systemctl restart NetworkManager; |
| 00:05.40 | laurus | dondelelcaro, ok I will try it. And also, what's the difference between service and systemctl? |
| 00:06.13 | dondelelcaro | laurus: service is the sysvrc way of invoking init.d scripts. systemctl talks to systemd directly |
| 00:06.24 | laurus | dondelelcaro, okay, thank you. I'm learning a lot here :) |
| 00:06.52 | dondelelcaro | no problem! |
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| 00:07.32 | laurus | systemctl restart says "Too few arguments." |
| 00:07.44 | dondelelcaro | laurus: should be "systemctl restart NetworkManager" |
| 00:08.19 | dondelelcaro | (without the quotes, of course) |
| 00:08.41 | laurus | dondelelcaro, you're right, it overwrote it I think. |
| 00:08.41 | laurus | That's... amazing. |
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| 00:08.41 | laurus | I wonder why it wasn't working before. |
| 00:09.52 | dondelelcaro | no clue |
| 00:10.00 | laurus | Well thanks to you it works now. Thanks a lot :) |
| 00:10.10 | dondelelcaro | no problem! glad it's working now |
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| 00:46.19 | Bundestrojaner | my installation is finished, now i have a strange problem: my user doesn't have sudo-priviledge and i can't login as root. |
| 00:46.19 | Bundestrojaner | Neither su nor login as root takes my root passwd |
| 00:47.51 | Bundestrojaner | what's the fastest way to fix this? mounting / with my live-image and add myself to the sudoer-file? |
| 00:47.55 | PipeItToDevNull | Bundestrojaner, boot into single user mode and change the root passwd |
| 00:48.19 | PipeItToDevNull | Or just change the file in single user mode |
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| 00:50.50 | Bundestrojaner | PipeItToDevNull: thx |
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| 01:57.01 | ryouma | does firefox-esr use gtk 3.0? 2.0? neither? |
| 01:57.09 | ryouma | in jessie |
| 01:59.01 | bazhang | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1267815 |
| 01:59.08 | bazhang | ryouma, |
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| 02:01.02 | ryouma | bazhang: yes? |
| 02:01.03 | bazhang | "Firefox 46.0 fails linux due to GTK3 requirement" [Normal,Unconfirmed] |
| 02:01.11 | bazhang | ryouma, ^ |
| 02:01.17 | ryouma | don't know what that means |
| 02:01.20 | bazhang | thats the esr |
| 02:01.36 | ryouma | we are up to 52.2.0 |
| 02:01.44 | bazhang | the gtk3 requirement makes it fail |
| 02:01.51 | ryouma | meaning it does not use it? |
| 02:01.55 | ryouma | i don't get it |
| 02:01.56 | bazhang | therefore yes it's gtk3 |
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| 02:01.59 | ryouma | ok |
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| 02:02.26 | ryouma | but i have gtk-primary-button-warps-slider=0 in my gtk 3.0 settings.ini, and it is not being recognized |
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| 02:03.40 | bazhang | ryouma, why not join that bug and offer that info |
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| 02:09.36 | ryouma | bazhang: i totally do not udnerstand that bug. it doesn't seem relevant to debian? or is it? |
| 02:10.04 | ryouma | and why is that relevant to respecting gtk-primary-button-warps-slider=0? it's really obvious to you probably. but not to me. |
| 02:10.17 | bazhang | ryouma, it's with all esr, not debian specific |
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| 02:11.00 | bazhang | ryouma, it's a bug, and any you provide helps get it fixed |
| 02:11.09 | ryouma | but firefox is working. the bug is re a compilation issue or something. |
| 02:11.13 | bazhang | any info |
| 02:11.27 | ryouma | i mean it launches etc. |
| 02:12.32 | bazhang | ryouma, your only info on first question, was 'is it gtk3' |
| 02:12.52 | oerheks_ | ryouma, you want to disable it?? |
| 02:12.54 | ryouma | bazhang: that was to determine what i should set to get that variable respected |
| 02:12.56 | bazhang | ryouma, had I had the other info, I would have checked with that |
| 02:12.56 | oerheks_ | gtk-primary-button-warps-slider = false |
| 02:13.15 | ryouma | oerheks_: i want the old behavior where clicking on the scrollbar does page up and page down |
| 02:13.45 | ryouma | oerheks_: my other settings are 0 not false. i tried false. it did not work either. which is more correct, 0 or false? |
| 02:14.19 | oerheks_ | false i guess, but this is totally dependend on the theme you use, gtk2 or gtk3 |
| 02:14.38 | ryouma | i don't know what theme i use. i just set the dot files. i use fluxbox. |
| 02:15.19 | bazhang | sounds like a theme conflict |
| 02:15.23 | ryouma | i just have gtk-cursor-blink = 0 gtk-double-click-time = 1000 gtk-primary-button-warps-slider = false in settings.ini -- and they are all ignored |
| 02:16.04 | ryouma | can i find out what theme i am running? i don't really know what a theme is, other than to guess that it is a bunch of settings. |
| 02:16.58 | ryouma | is there a default theme that is destroying all of my settings? why would it override my settings? |
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| 02:20.11 | oerheks_ | Default value: TRUE TRUE means "scroll to the click position" and FALSE means "scroll by a single page". |
| 02:20.13 | oerheks_ | it used to be 1 and 0 indeed |
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| 02:26.42 | ryouma | well it is not being recognized, but i acknowledge that this is going to be a wild goose chase -- and i just discovered that right click will work. so i will no longer pursue this bug. |
| 02:27.03 | ryouma | HOWEVER, double click time and blink are both accessibility requirements and i really want them recognized |
| 02:27.29 | ryouma | so unfortunately, it's probably the same bug |
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| 03:09.59 | Noobalert | hi there |
| 03:10.15 | Noobalert | need some help with a command |
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| 03:16.30 | ozzloy | Noobalert, what command? |
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| 03:19.36 | VentGrey | Is this the place to ask for a debsign error? |
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| 03:29.17 | dondelelcaro | VentGrey: you can ask here if you'd like |
| 03:29.47 | dondelelcaro | VentGrey: though in general #debian-mentors on OFTC is a better place for more development specific questions like that |
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| 03:29.58 | tuH | Woop woop! First time having linux on my own machine in years, up and running and the way I want it. I really like debian so far :) I do have a fair amount of small quirks left, but hopefully I'll get them sorted too :) |
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| 03:31.01 | VentGrey | I asked there but it seems dead |
| 03:31.42 | VentGrey | It's a problem with gpg signing idk why debuild does not recognize them, I made like 10 keys but nothing |
| 03:31.44 | VentGrey | https://pastebin.com/8C6MtkJu |
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| 03:42.45 | VentGrey | Do I have to specify a file? do I have to put a line on any of the /debian files? |
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| 04:00.50 | chip__ | hi happy to help if a mod is needed |
| 04:01.31 | chip__ | I have a query regarding irssi in debian. is there a text-to-speech plugin available for visusally challenged? |
| 04:04.38 | VentGrey | I think gnome-orca could read the screen elements for you |
| 04:05.25 | nkuttler | chip__: this looks like it could do the job https://github.com/gattschardo/irssi-espeak |
| 04:05.37 | Rusty1_ | lmgtfy |
| 04:06.01 | nkuttler | Rusty1_: that's not helpful |
| 04:06.23 | VentGrey | There is also "yasr" (Yet another screen reader" |
| 04:06.24 | nkuttler | chip__: if you don't mind being spied upon, i think google speech api produces nice results |
| 04:06.59 | VentGrey | BRLTTY it's a braille terminal |
| 04:07.19 | VentGrey | And speakpup screen reader |
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| 04:08.15 | VentGrey | There is also this article on the wiki https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility that shows an extent of tools for people with limited eyesight |
| 04:09.53 | chip__ | thankyou |
| 04:10.17 | chip__ | just then I could see espeak, and seems to be part of the repository |
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| 04:10.41 | chip__ | small, and text to speech. awesome, thankyou very much |
| 04:11.19 | VentGrey | Onboard might be useful if you have a touchscreen |
| 04:12.41 | chip__ | cheers nkuttler and VentGrey, very helpful |
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| 04:31.16 | jim | hi... trying to help someone, we found out he's got an eth card that needs the module b44... the thing is, it doesn't get loaded when the machine starts, so the question is, what to do to load the b44 driver at boot, so that interfaces (or whichever) can work? |
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| 04:32.50 | jim | (the thing is, as soon as he did modprobe b44, the net came up, which surprised me, I didn't think the net was configured) |
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| 04:34.11 | Rusty1_ | add it to /etc/modules |
| 04:34.45 | jim | ok, I'll have him do that |
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| 04:59.46 | Lady_A | Is there any way for me to get Flash Player on Debian Stretch? |
| 05:02.41 | prussian | use chrome, the nonfree one |
| 05:02.48 | prussian | otherwise, why |
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| 05:05.09 | Lady_A | prussian: Because HTML5 video doesn't play for me. I just tried on YouTube, and the videos get stuck. |
| 05:05.33 | prussian | https://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 05:05.40 | prussian | reults are........? |
| 05:06.34 | Lady_A | Where would I see results? |
| 05:06.44 | prussian | nevermind. chrome |
| 05:07.15 | Lady_A | What am I supposed to see? |
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| 05:11.04 | Lady_A | prussian: would you please show me a screenshot of what you see when you go to that page? |
| 05:14.01 | password16 | is nonfree chrome not ripping out flash? |
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| 05:19.56 | somiaj | password16: google's chrome comes with flash. |
| 05:20.04 | somiaj | password16: use the free chromium if you don't want flash |
| 05:20.45 | prussian | pretty sure the flash thingy for chrome is some NaCl executable though so it probably works on Chromium as well |
| 05:20.49 | prussian | but really. |
| 05:20.52 | prussian | why |
| 05:21.41 | somiaj | I don't really get what you are asking. debian doesn't provide google-chrome, you get that package from google, and it will include flash, and some other plugins |
| 05:22.04 | Lady_A | So, no YouTube for me because someone decided to stop allowing Flash Player. I don't want to use Chrome in any flavor. |
| 05:22.30 | prussian | ya Adobe said no more Flash Player |
| 05:22.33 | somiaj | youtube doens't use flash for most videos |
| 05:22.49 | password16 | https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/9/13903878/google-chrome-block-flash-html5 |
| 05:22.51 | somiaj | adobe provides flash player for both napi and papi, that you can download directly from adobe. |
| 05:23.12 | Lady_A | somiaj: I just tried playing a YouTube video, and it won't play. |
| 05:23.23 | somiaj | in debian stable, the scripts that automated this were broken so they were removed, but you can still manually download flash to use with chromium (papi) or firefox (napi) |
| 05:23.27 | prussian | do you have MSE enabled? |
| 05:23.35 | prussian | that's kinda the point fo that html5 link |
| 05:23.39 | Lady_A | I keep clicking the play button, and still nothing. |
| 05:23.54 | prussian | older firefox builds have problem with MSE |
| 05:24.02 | Lady_A | prussian: there are 4 boxes checked. |
| 05:24.04 | prussian | which would explain literally exactly what you're describing |
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| 05:24.43 | prussian | you can try disabling MSE |
| 05:24.50 | Lady_A | This computer has a fresh install of Debian Stretch, Firefox, etc. Why am I having problems?? |
| 05:25.01 | somiaj | https://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 05:25.16 | prussian | I don't know. |
| 05:25.27 | prussian | there are lots of things that could be wrong |
| 05:25.32 | Lady_A | prussian: where do I go to do that? I click things and nothing happens. |
| 05:25.42 | somiaj | what does that link say? |
| 05:26.48 | prussian | you can try disabling mediasource extensions in about:config. do you have that stupid nonfree OpenH264 plugin enabled? |
| 05:26.54 | Lady_A | somiaj: do you know a place I can upload an image like a pastebin for images? |
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| 05:29.11 | somiaj | imgur or something like that |
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| 05:30.53 | Lady_A | http://picpaste.com/Firefox-Q0f9YFDi.png |
| 05:31.14 | Lady_A | That is what https://www.youtube.com/html5 says. |
| 05:32.15 | somiaj | looks like you are just missing teh H.264 and webM vp8 codecs, I have them both, so it is possible in styretch. |
| 05:33.19 | somiaj | libx264-148 and libvpx4 are the two libs I have |
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| 05:35.38 | Lady_A | Are they install and play? |
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| 05:38.11 | somiaj | you may have to reload the browser after you install the libaries/codecs |
| 05:38.42 | cef | Q: Anyone know if there's something holding up linux_4.11.6-1~bpo9+1 from stretch-backports at all? Can see it's been accepted back on 9th July, but nothing's appeared yet in stretch-backports. |
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| 05:42.56 | Lady_A | The same two boxes are still red. |
| 05:44.30 | Lady_A | Playing videos is the only reason this computer is in the living room. Without that capability, this computer is useless. |
| 05:45.36 | Lady_A | should have installed jessie. |
| 05:47.32 | somiaj | figure out what video libary firefox is linking against, that could be the issue. |
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| 05:48.55 | somiaj | yea my firefox supports it too, so it works in stretch, the issue is with something you have installed, do you have ffmpeg installed? |
| 05:49.08 | somiaj | try to figure out which video libary firefox is linking to at run time |
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| 05:49.31 | somiaj | do you have plex media server isntalled, I see various people talking about this cauing problems. |
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| 05:55.48 | Lady_A | I have whatever comes with the standard Debian Stretch installation. |
| 05:56.14 | Lady_A | And KDE for Stretch too. |
| 05:56.54 | Lady_A | I haven't done much since installing Stretch on this computer. |
| 05:58.58 | cef | Lady_A: no firefox plugins/add-ons? |
| 05:59.43 | Lady_A | cef, only the ones I've used for years. |
| 05:59.45 | ozzloy | what's the reason for using codenames like "stretch" or "jessie" instead of version numbers like "8" and "9"? |
| 06:00.03 | Lady_A | ozzloy: They like Toy Story characters. |
| 06:00.24 | cef | Lady_A: and you've tried disabling those? Adblocking ones especially can be probelmatic |
| 06:00.25 | Lady_A | is about to cry. |
| 06:00.30 | ozzloy | whenever i help someone troubleshoot something on a mac, i see software that says "for version Yosemite or later" |
| 06:00.46 | ozzloy | and i want to throw a brick through another brick |
| 06:00.49 | Lady_A | cef, if I have to disable adblocker to play videos, then there is a BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG problem. |
| 06:01.15 | ozzloy | Lady_A, i know the names come from toy story, but ... why names at all? in what situation does that ever help anything? |
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| 06:01.30 | cef | Lady_A: depends on the adblocker. eg: I had endless problems with newer firefox versions with Adblock. Moved to ublock and the issues all went away. |
| 06:01.36 | Lady_A | ozzloy: I have no clue. I can in during wheezy. |
| 06:01.39 | cef | Lady_A: what does `apt-cache policy firefox-esr|grep Installed` say? |
| 06:01.50 | ozzloy | does Stretch come before or after Jessie? is there any way to figure it out other than to look it up? |
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| 06:02.10 | cef | Jessie is V8, Stretch is V9. |
| 06:02.14 | ozzloy | i know the answer to the first question, it's just an example |
| 06:02.16 | Lady_A | Installed: 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1 |
| 06:02.30 | Lady_A | I want 54 btw |
| 06:02.38 | ozzloy | numbers are shorter and easier to put in order |
| 06:03.04 | cef | Lady_A: that's what I have here, and it's working on my machine. Q: What video card is in that machine? |
| 06:03.32 | ozzloy | it even works for versions that have not yet been released! i know version 10 will come out before version 11 |
| 06:03.32 | cef | I've seen firefox do weird crap with playing video if the video drivers don't support certain things. |
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| 06:03.48 | Lady_A | cef, is there an easier way to find it other than running lshw? |
| 06:03.49 | ozzloy | at least ubuntu's names are alphabetical |
| 06:03.56 | ozzloy | /rant |
| 06:03.57 | cef | ozzloy: debian has both. |
| 06:04.05 | ozzloy | ... |
| 06:05.06 | ozzloy | rant momentarily back on. my point is the name adds no value, and in fact causes confusion so takes away value |
| 06:05.33 | Lady_A | GF108 [GeForce GT 630] |
| 06:05.35 | ozzloy | if there were no names and people just used numbers, then there'd be no confusion about ordering |
| 06:05.38 | cef | Lady_A: install the inxi pkg and use that. eg: `inxi -G` gives me stuff that includes the line `Display Server: X.Org 1.19.2 drivers: intel (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)` |
| 06:05.54 | ozzloy | but i assume there must be a good reason for it |
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| 06:06.24 | ozzloy | because mac, ubuntu, ms windows, debian all do it |
| 06:06.35 | ozzloy | but whyyyy?? such rage! |
| 06:06.43 | cef | ozzloy: if you look at the site, then there's no confusion anyway. Ubuntu use numbers and names just like Debian. |
| 06:07.02 | Lady_A | ozzloy: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=why+does+debian+use+toy+story+character+names |
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| 06:09.31 | ozzloy | my question isn't "why use 'toy story' names as opposed to 'finding nemo' names?" |
| 06:09.45 | ozzloy | it's "why use names _at all_?" |
| 06:10.07 | Lady_A | Who the hell knows? I don't, and don't care enough to continue thinking about it. |
| 06:10.18 | ozzloy | oh, i'm sorry |
| 06:10.21 | cef | ozzloy: Ubuntu has been using names since it's inception, so your example there is wrong. debian, ubuntu and many other distros use both. |
| 06:10.23 | ozzloy | thank you for trying |
| 06:10.32 | ozzloy | and thanks for spending some of your time on it |
| 06:10.43 | Lady_A | I can't play videos on this computer because I can't get flash player. So I am very pissed off. |
| 06:11.15 | ozzloy | cef, help Lady_A if you can. my question should probably go in -offtopic |
| 06:11.49 | cef | ozzloy: already trying. |
| 06:12.00 | Lady_A | ozzloy: Without flashplugin-nonfree, there is nothing to be done. I picked the wrong distribution to install. |
| 06:12.11 | cef | Lady_A: pastebin of about:plugins ? |
| 06:12.18 | ozzloy | cool. sorry to sidetrack the channel for a bit |
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| 06:12.34 | cef | Lady_A: I am using esr 52 and it works for me. |
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| 06:12.54 | cef | Lady_A: and this was done from a new install, so I'm not sure what's different. |
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| 06:13.32 | Lady_A | http://paste.debian.net/976614/ |
| 06:14.14 | cef | Lady_A: and I'm using uBlock Origin, Facebook Disconnect and NoScript fwiw. |
| 06:14.28 | jmcnaught | about:support is a more useful thing to make a paste of |
| 06:15.13 | Lady_A | http://paste.debian.net/976615/ |
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| 06:16.08 | jmcnaught | Lady_A: you have extension named "youtube flash player" enabled |
| 06:16.35 | Lady_A | jmcnaught: I want flash player |
| 06:16.54 | jmcnaught | Lady_A: there's a button on about:support to restart with all add-ons temporarily disabled. if youtube works when you do that, then one of your add-ons is breaking youtube. my money is on "youtube flash player" |
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| 06:17.40 | Lady_A | brb |
| 06:17.42 | jmcnaught | Lady_A: disabling the extension that forces flash (when you don't have flash installed?!?!¿) is a lot easier than installing flash which doesn't have a package anymore |
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| 06:21.52 | cef | Lady_A: disabled the `youtube flash player` addon? |
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| 06:23.44 | Lady_A | cef, that's why I had to restart firefox |
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| 06:28.50 | Lady_A | cef and jmcnaught: Thanks for you patience. |
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| 06:31.23 | Lady_A | I can play videos now, until they get stuck. When I refresh the page, I get snow and an error message. |
| 06:31.46 | cef | videos get stuck? |
| 06:32.02 | jmcnaught | is that in safe mode? |
| 06:32.17 | Lady_A | Yes, the video is playing, but the image isn't moving. |
| 06:34.50 | cef | So sound plays, but video freezes at a particular frame? |
| 06:34.58 | Lady_A | Not in safe mode. I am seriously thinking of starting over with jessie. At least with it, I know what I am doing. |
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| 06:35.22 | Lady_A | cef, then I get snow and an error message when I refresh the video. |
| 06:36.11 | jmcnaught | Lady_A: if it works properly in safe mode, then you have to start disabling your add-ons until you find the one that causes the problem |
| 06:36.17 | Lady_A | HTML5 video has always given me trouble not matter the OS/DE/WM |
| 06:36.42 | Lady_A | That is why I prefer Flash Player. It works. |
| 06:37.00 | somiaj | ,v flashplugin-nonfree |
| 06:37.01 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1+deb8u1; sid/contrib: 1:3.7 |
| 06:37.29 | Lady_A | somiaj: I've been told flashplugin-nonfree is dead in Stretch. |
| 06:37.31 | somiaj | Lady_A: you will have to manually download teh napi flashplugin from adobe and copy it to .mozilla/plugins or something like that, unsure where firefox wants it |
| 06:37.37 | jmcnaught | html5 works better than flash for most people, you probably just have an add-on interfering, which is easy to test with about:support safe mode button |
| 06:38.02 | somiaj | though I would as jmcnaught suggests, get html5 working, it is nice for videos |
| 06:38.56 | cef | Lady_A: part of that is that almost all browsers are in the process of dropping flash support. |
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| 06:40.02 | Lady_A | jmcnaught: For me it doesn't matter which browser I use either, HTML5 video has always sucked for me. Windows XP with Firefox and Chrome, Debian (Wheezy through now Stretch) with Firefox and Chromium; it doesn't matter. HTML5 video has never worked well for me. |
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| 06:40.48 | jmcnaught | Lady_A: check your add-ons, or install flash plugin manually |
| 06:41.17 | cef | I've found that usually html5 has issues if you have ipv6 enabled (some or in parts) and it doesn't work properly. |
| 06:41.35 | Lady_A | jmcnaught: I tried getting the plugin directly from Adobe, but when I click the Download button, I get an error page. |
| 06:41.47 | cef | flash just seems to default to ipv4 always, so it never seems to try to use ipv6. |
| 06:42.24 | jmcnaught | sounds coincidental to me |
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| 06:45.20 | cef | Still, I'd recommend testing ipv6 support.. eg: http://ipv6-test.com/ |
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| 06:49.40 | cef | Lady_A: I'd also still recommend trying a different adblocker or at least try disabling it on youtube to test. I had weird youtube issues with Adblock Plus, usually whenever pop-up ads appeared or with ads at the start of videos. |
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| 06:55.06 | cef | Anyone know what is keeping linux_4.11.6-1~bpo9+1 out of stretch-backports atm? Looks like it was accepted almost a week ago but it's still not in the repos (so it seems)? |
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| 07:06.18 | Lady_A | I think I am going to give up and start over with Jessie. At least with Jessie, I can copy all of my stuff, like my sources.list, over without any problems. |
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| 07:07.10 | Lady_A | Hopefully then I can get Firefox 54, too instead of being stuck back at 52. |
| 07:07.53 | jmcnaught | jessie and stretch have the same version of firefox-esr |
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| 07:11.35 | Lady_A | I am disheartened and mad at Stretch. I can't get anything right on it. Even VLC won't minimize to the system tray anymore. |
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| 07:22.42 | pingfloyd | I haven't bothered to update jessie to it yet |
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| 07:24.32 | Lady_A | pingfloyd: I don't suggest it. |
| 07:24.45 | pingfloyd | kind of glad I'm waiting |
| 07:24.55 | pingfloyd | I usually wait a little while after a new release comes out |
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| 07:25.48 | jmcnaught | stretch is working fine here, and i'd wager for most people |
| 07:25.51 | Lady_A | pingfloyd: This computer used to be Windows XP, but my anti-virus program updated making playing videos impossible. I thought Stretch would be better, but I was way wrong. |
| 07:26.24 | jmcnaught | except didn't it work properly when you disabled your firefox add-ons? |
| 07:26.46 | Lady_A | jmcnaught: Not completely. Some played, sputteringly. |
| 07:27.38 | pingfloyd | I use the latest firefox |
| 07:27.52 | Lady_A | As I said, HTML5 videos have never worked well for me and my computers. |
| 07:27.59 | pingfloyd | it's easy and clean to install. Just untar it where it want it sitting |
| 07:28.11 | pingfloyd | I put it under /opt/firefox |
| 07:28.44 | pingfloyd | Lady_A: some video hardware doesn't work well with html5 |
| 07:28.53 | Lady_A | pingfloyd: Firefox always came with the installation of Debian for me. |
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| 07:28.59 | pingfloyd | Lady_A: like I can't get hardware decoding in it |
| 07:29.06 | pingfloyd | I can get hardware rendering to work though |
| 07:29.08 | jmcnaught | did you try reducing the quality of the video? |
| 07:29.33 | Lady_A | pingfloyd: Flash Player worked best for me always. |
| 07:29.37 | pingfloyd | Lady_A: the debian package of firefox, is the ESR version of firefox |
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| 07:29.57 | pingfloyd | so it's not going to have some of the newer changes in firefox |
| 07:30.04 | Lady_A | jmcnaught: that defeats the purpose of watching the video. |
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| 07:30.22 | pingfloyd | in my case, html5 support has gotten a little bit better in the more recent releases of firefox |
| 07:30.36 | pingfloyd | Lady_A: I would give it a shot and see if it helps at all |
| 07:30.45 | pingfloyd | Lady_A: you can keep both version installed if you want |
| 07:31.14 | Lady_A | pingfloyd: I just want Flash Player back, but I can't get it. |
| 07:31.17 | pingfloyd | html5 support is a constant WIP |
| 07:32.43 | Lady_A | I am getting tired of all of it. All of my hardware is over 10 years old. I guess no one ever tested HTML5 video on a 10+ year old computer. |
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| 07:33.34 | Lady_A | No one gives a damn for those of us with old hardware because new hardware is too expensive. |
| 07:34.25 | cheapie | points Lady_A towards http://www.ebay.com/itm/Prime-Systems-Core-2-Duo-3Ghz-2GB-RAM-160GB-HDD-DVD-CD-Combo-WinVista/282403357237 |
| 07:34.30 | Lady_A | I remember when videos buffered all the way to the end, but they don't do that anymore. |
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| 07:34.48 | cheapie | I'm running a similar box to that, and it does video playback fine. |
| 07:35.20 | jmcnaught | mpv and youtube-dl are another option if your computer can't handle video in a browser |
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| 07:35.44 | jmcnaught | of course, Lady_A you could also just install the flash plugin manually as has been mentioned multiple times |
| 07:35.59 | Lady_A | jmcnaught: it can handle video in the browser with Flash Player. |
| 07:36.09 | jmcnaught | so install flash |
| 07:36.20 | jmcnaught | but one day flash isn't going to work in any browser |
| 07:36.40 | pingfloyd | the flashplugin-nonfree package isn't maintained well, so you might as well download flash from adobe |
| 07:36.52 | pingfloyd | all you need is the libflashplayer.so file from it |
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| 07:37.33 | pingfloyd | go to about:plugins to see which path your firefox is looking for it in. Mine uses /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ |
| 07:38.21 | Lady_A | jmcnaught: I went to https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/, selected APT for Debian/Ubuntu, and clicked the Download button. This is the page I get: apt:adobe-flashplugin?channel=$distro-partner which says "The address wasn’t understood" |
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| 07:39.36 | iodev | Lady_A: enable non-free in debian and install from repo |
| 07:39.50 | jmcnaught | iodev: the package isn't in strech… |
| 07:39.50 | iodev | don't download from adobe.com (debian is not windows) |
| 07:39.56 | iodev | jmcnaught: really? |
| 07:39.58 | Lady_A | iodev: ^^^ |
| 07:40.03 | jmcnaught | we've been talking about this for a while now… |
| 07:40.16 | iodev | jmcnaught: not even in non-free / contrib? |
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| 07:40.39 | jmcnaught | it was in contrib before. you can check. |
| 07:40.55 | somiaj | iodev: the scripts that downloaded adobe were broken and removed from stretch. Manual download is how one needs to install flash in stretch. |
| 07:41.09 | somiaj | they may be provided in stretch-backports at a future date if the scripts ever get fixed |
| 07:41.13 | iodev | okay, sorry didn't know, I didn't update my info on flash |
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| 07:41.30 | iodev | doesn't install flash since ... a long time ago :D |
| 07:42.26 | jmcnaught | we need to let it fade away |
| 07:42.32 | iodev | yeah, use HTML5 |
| 07:42.40 | Lady_A | So, if someone would like to guide me through https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ to get Flash Player, I would be grateful. |
| 07:42.47 | iodev | and if the site doesn't support it, then don't use the site! |
| 07:43.02 | iodev | Lady_A: sure, go there, select debian/ubuntu (whatever they have) |
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| 07:43.36 | jmcnaught | that attempts to use some apt: url meant for Ubuntu |
| 07:43.43 | Lady_A | iodev: I did, and no download started. I got sent to a page that says "The address wasn't understood" |
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| 07:43.54 | iodev | Lady_A: does it have an other downloads link? |
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| 07:44.12 | Lady_A | iodev: It does, but I don't know what to get. |
| 07:44.34 | iodev | Lady_A: you should get a deb |
| 07:44.51 | iodev | (a file, even if it says ubuntu 12.04) |
| 07:45.08 | Lady_A | I get as far as Linux (32-bit) then don't know what to choose. |
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| 07:45.26 | iodev | Lady_A: are you on 32-bit and not 64-bit? |
| 07:46.08 | Lady_A | 32-bit, and I got sent to ANOTHER page that says "The address wasn’t understood". |
| 07:46.14 | iodev | Lady_A: wait a min |
| 07:46.28 | iodev | Lady_A: do you use firefox/chromium? |
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| 07:46.57 | Lady_A | iodev: Firefox |
| 07:47.19 | iodev | knows that the firefox version of flash plugin for linux is unmaintained. So it may be better and simpler to use chromium for sites that need flash Lady_A |
| 07:47.30 | iodev | as that one has the flash plugin integrated |
| 07:47.45 | jmcnaught | that is true about google chrome, but not about chromium |
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| 07:48.07 | iodev | jmcnaught: hmm, not chromium? |
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| 07:48.59 | jmcnaught | jessie had a package that downloaded chrome, extracted the pepper flash plugin from it, and made it work in chromium. but from what i recall, that stopped working when chrome dropped 32-bit support |
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| 07:49.50 | iodev | jmcnaught: chrome dropped 32-bit :( |
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| 07:50.06 | iodev | sorry I'm not really up to date, but I use firefox |
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| 07:50.20 | jmcnaught | it is the best browser after all |
| 07:50.35 | iodev | it is a browser that I can trust |
| 07:50.42 | iodev | I can't trust chromium/chrome |
| 07:51.01 | iodev | (chromium may not spy, because it's open source, but I'm sure chrome tells google my history) |
| 07:51.04 | jmcnaught | i'm pretty skeptical that firefox with add-ons disabled plays html5 video worse than adobe flash on the same hardware |
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| 07:51.56 | pingfloyd | it will play worse if you can't get hardware rendering and decoding working in it and can in flash |
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| 07:53.32 | jmcnaught | if it gets to the point where the .so file is downloaded, try putting it in ~/.mozilla/plugins/ first instead of /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins (/usr/lib should only be written to by packages) |
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| 07:54.41 | iodev | gave up flash :D |
| 07:57.43 | jmcnaught | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/watch-with-mpv/ |
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| 08:46.38 | BluesKaj | Howdy all |
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| 08:49.49 | Bundestrojaner | hello. I'm trying to add a key to apt with apt-key, but it fails because dirmngr is missing. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=858238 tells me, this method is deprecated. what's the "new way" to do it? |
| 08:49.50 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/858238 in apt (closed): «apt: On my fresh Debian installation dirmngr was missing to add key with apt-key»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-03-20; last modified: 2017-04-20. |
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| 08:50.57 | Bundestrojaner | the bug report says "The correct way is to install key files into trusted.gpg.d." but not how |
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| 08:52.56 | jelly | Bundestrojaner, how does apt-key fail? |
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| 08:55.44 | jelly | the same way as in the bug report? |
| 08:56.05 | Bundestrojaner | jelly: gpg: failed to start the dirmngr '/usr/bin/dirmngr' file or directory not found |
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| 08:56.43 | Bundestrojaner | jelly: yes, as in the bug report |
| 08:56.59 | jelly | I guess "install" means just put the files there, into /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ |
| 08:57.40 | Bundestrojaner | jelly: i also think so, but how to get this file? |
| 08:57.58 | jelly | Bundestrojaner, which key are you trying to add? |
| 08:58.27 | jelly | is it not already in a file? |
| 08:58.59 | Bundestrojaner | jelly: BBEBDCB318AD50EC6865090613B00F1FD2C19886 |
| 08:59.20 | Bundestrojaner | spotify repository signing key |
| 08:59.35 | Bundestrojaner | apt-key would fetch it from ubuntu's key server |
| 08:59.58 | jelly | Bundestrojaner, no it wouldn't |
| 09:00.37 | Bundestrojaner | jelly: the complete command is sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys BBEBDCB318AD50EC6865090613B00F1FD2C19886 |
| 09:00.40 | jelly | you can grab it from a public keyserver using gpg, (or probably get it from the vendor) |
| 09:01.21 | jelly | as normal user, "gpg --recv-keys BBEBDCB318AD50EC6865090613B00F1FD2C19886" and then put the output of "gpg --export --armor BBEBDCB318AD50EC6865090613B00F1FD2C19886" into a file |
| 09:01.48 | Bundestrojaner | jelly: i tried grabbing it with gpg, it failed with the same error |
| 09:01.57 | Bundestrojaner | i guess apt-key calls gpg |
| 09:03.02 | jelly | Bundestrojaner, pastebin the complete output of eg. "gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys BBEBDCB318AD50EC6865090613B00F1FD2C19886", run as normal user |
| 09:04.18 | julius | hi |
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| 09:04.54 | Bundestrojaner | jelly: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25094981/ |
| 09:05.53 | jelly | you do realize "sudo" used like that runs things as root, not as normal user? |
| 09:06.15 | Bundestrojaner | jelly: yes i do. running it without sudo gives the same result |
| 09:06.47 | julius | im currently running 4.8.0-1 because newer kernels just wont start, they load the ramdisk and then say something about: a tpm error occoured while reading a pcr....i can press enter and the vertical blinking bar moves down, i can reboot with ctrl+strg+entf but it just sits there otherwise :( |
| 09:07.38 | Bundestrojaner | jelly: maybe i should simply install dirmngr |
| 09:08.02 | jelly | Bundestrojaner, yes you should. What does this say: dpkg -l $(dpkg -S $(readlink -f =gpg)|awk -F: '{print $1}')|tail -n1 |
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| 09:08.23 | jelly | oops, that's wrong |
| 09:08.39 | jelly | dpkg -l $(dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which gpg))|awk -F: '{print $1}')|tail -n1 |
| 09:08.39 | dpkg | ii $(dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which gpg))|awk -F: '{print $1}')|tail -n1 2.6-12.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 09:09.13 | Bundestrojaner | jelly: ii  gnupg          2.1.18-6     i386         GNU privacy guard - a free PGP replacement |
| 09:09.56 | jelly | then yes, install dirmngt |
| 09:10.01 | jelly | dirmngr |
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| 09:10.15 | Bundestrojaner | jelly: ok.thx. this bug report before is really strange... |
| 09:10.35 | jelly | it's in Recommends: for gnupg, should be installed automatically with gnupg by default |
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| 09:10.58 | jelly | ,recommends gnupg --release stretch |
| 09:10.59 | judd | Package gnupg in stretch/amd64 -- recommends: dirmngr (= 2.1.18-6), gnupg-l10n (= 2.1.18-6). |
| 09:11.18 | Bundestrojaner | btw: why debian doesn't have outocpmplete for apt commands? |
| 09:11.29 | Bundestrojaner | autocomplete |
| 09:12.38 | jelly | Bundestrojaner, maybe completion support for your shell isn't installed or configured. If you're using bash, make sure bash-completion package is installed |
| 09:14.45 | Bundestrojaner | jelly: thx |
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| 09:28.24 | Zweisamkeit_ | (using pastebin or something I mean ;)) |
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| 09:37.27 | tomreyn | !paste |
| 09:37.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 09:37.35 | tomreyn | ^ Zweisamkeit_ |
| 09:37.51 | Zweisamkeit_ | tomreyn? |
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| 09:38.19 | tomreyn | i'm suggesting which pastebin to use |
| 09:38.37 | tomreyn | also, are you sure portsentry is the tool you want to use? |
| 09:39.42 | Zweisamkeit_ | http://paste.debian.net/976625/ |
| 09:39.56 | Zweisamkeit_ | Hum, I'm searching a tool which can block port scanners |
| 09:40.15 | Zweisamkeit_ | If you any other suggestion I'm listening :) |
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| 09:40.34 | tomreyn | if you are just trying to make ssh brute forcing stop, then set ssh to use a different port and switch off password authentication, using ssh keys only. second best option for ssh: keep password authentication enabled for everyone but root (if you really, really have to) and install fail2ban |
| 09:41.13 | tomreyn | and use a network or host based firewall. |
| 09:41.15 | Zweisamkeit_ | I'm using fail2ban jail to block ssh brutforce. I'm using passphrase auth using a no-root account |
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| 09:42.00 | elliot007 | you can use publickey authentication instead |
| 09:43.07 | Zweisamkeit_ | Yes, I'll do it in some days (i'm working on my VPS security all this weekend), but here that's not my subject |
| 09:43.23 | Zweisamkeit_ | I have to block scans using portsentry (or another tool if you have any suggestion) |
| 09:44.00 | tomreyn | once you only allow ssh key authentication, brute force attempts against ssh are no longer an issue, so it is related. |
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| 09:44.07 | LinuxNerd | I figured out a way to increase performance on any linux system with a single command |
| 09:44.08 | LinuxNerd | Over the course of using your system its swap space becomes fragmented into micro-partitions, slowing performance. To speed it back up, you need to de-partition your swap space buffers (the ring around the edge of your hard disk platter) |
| 09:44.10 | LinuxNerd | to do this, run the following command: sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root / |
| 09:44.11 | LinuxNerd | the command may take a long time to complete, best to run overnight |
| 09:44.14 | LinuxNerd | then reboot your PC once the command returns, and your system speed will be three to nine times faster than before, on average |
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| 09:44.53 | Zweisamkeit_ | It isn't a issue for now because I configured a fail2ban jail. When you try to log in my ssh server more than 5 times you're ban for an hour |
| 09:45.16 | chip__ | what a dick... thanks for booting him |
| 09:46.33 | chip__ | OpenWRT on the perimeter is good |
| 09:46.34 | tomreyn | Zweisamkeit_: so, portsentry probably won't block portscans nowadays, but you can still try. what is the issue with the config? |
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| 09:46.50 | chip__ | then shorewall firewall |
| 09:46.57 | chip__ | pessimistic blocking |
| 09:47.54 | chip__ | for extra points put an IPS/IDS at the perimeter with SNORT |
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| 09:48.07 | chip__ | FTW |
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| 09:48.29 | Zweisamkeit_ | I can't identify the issue, my conf file seems to be good, but portsentry doesn't trigger scans :/ |
| 09:48.35 | chip__ | admins suggestions are all great BTW |
| 09:49.23 | tomreyn | admins? |
| 09:49.39 | tomreyn | chip__'s suggestions are good IMO |
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| 09:51.03 | Lyberta | how to read a NEWS file of a package? |
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| 09:51.31 | mimorenno113 | !list |
| 09:51.31 | dpkg | mimorenno113: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
| 09:51.33 | tomreyn | Zweisamkeit_: which virtualization technology is this? |
| 09:51.36 | chip_ | <tomreyn> ?? |
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| 09:51.54 | tomreyn | chip_: yes? |
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| 09:52.14 | chip__ | hey sorry, lost the thread.. where were we |
| 09:52.46 | tomreyn | chip__: i just wondered whom you were referring to when you said: <chip__> admins suggestions are all great BTW |
| 09:52.59 | Zweisamkeit_ | tomreyn: What do you mean? portsentry will check the request sent to specific ports and will try to find some attack patterns to strigger scan |
| 09:53.11 | chip__ | oh.. yeah sorry, I just assumed dude was.. or is aspiring to be admin |
| 09:53.44 | tomreyn | chip__: oh, ok, i guess i just didnt get that |
| 09:53.53 | kchr | Zweisamkeit_: you can block port scanning using only iptables as well |
| 09:53.53 | kchr | Zweisamkeit_: https://serverfault.com/questions/245711/iptables-tips-tricks/245724#245724 |
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| 09:54.02 | chip__ | sorry |
| 09:54.04 | kchr | (basically using the "recent" module) |
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| 09:54.52 | tomreyn | Zweisamkeit_: you said you're running a VPS, which suggests either virtualization or compartmentalization |
| 09:55.08 | Zweisamkeit_ | kvm (ovh) |
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| 09:55.28 | tomreyn | okay, so you should not be limited in what you can do there |
| 09:57.28 | tomreyn | Zweisamkeit_: i don't recognize any configuration errors on this configuration. but it's been like 10 years or 15 that i last used portsentry. |
| 09:59.12 | iodev | Zweisamkeit_: hallo |
| 09:59.14 | iodev | wie gehts? |
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| 09:59.44 | MikMouse | Hallo Zweisamkeit_ |
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| 10:00.47 | tomreyn | IMO trying to cblock port scanners is a waste of efforts and you'd better just firewall systems at the perimeter and harden services you run. and maybe report abuse if you have a lot of time. |
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| 10:07.40 | mr__tea | debian is the bestest! |
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| 10:08.32 | discovered1 | bestest ? |
| 10:08.48 | mr__tea | better then best |
| 10:09.03 | mr__tea | bestestest! |
| 10:09.29 | discovered1 | lol.... best*best |
| 10:09.45 | mr__tea | :) |
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| 10:46.43 | pragomer | strange thing: using stretch with xfce: after every boot firefox and thunar are opened automatically. I have not checked to "save session" on logout screen and I find nothing in autostart. any idea? |
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| 11:02.38 | discovered1 | How the "glory consult" as a IT firm name? |
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| 11:03.24 | discovered1 | ops, wrong channel! |
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| 11:05.39 | freeone | how to find out what ip someone is connected from ? other than using command "who" |
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| 11:07.41 | freeone | like when you use "who" it says: |
| 11:07.42 | freeone | some_name pts/20 2017-07-15 9:30 (51.17.12.186) |
| 11:07.47 | freeone | are there other tools or methods to find that ip ? |
| 11:07.59 | apollo13 | ss and look for connections to port 22? |
| 11:09.09 | freeone | yes, but it will not show name, I mean in case there are many people connected I want to know particular name what its particular ip |
| 11:09.15 | Ke | sshd logs to journal this stuff |
| 11:09.21 | Ke | if you use systemd |
| 11:09.32 | apollo13 | then again, what is wrong with "who" :D |
| 11:09.38 | freeone | and I don't have root access |
| 11:10.39 | apollo13 | freeone: then you probably will not get that information either way |
| 11:10.56 | apollo13 | you will not have access to the journal without root etc… |
| 11:10.58 | freeone | because sometimes "who" prints: |
| 11:10.59 | freeone | some_name pts/15 2017-04-10 10:38 (:9) |
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| 11:11.03 | freeone | and what is that ":9" ? |
| 11:11.51 | apollo13 | not everyone connects remotely ;) |
| 11:12.06 | Lockzi | Hello, I have a problem with that both atp-get and aptitude freezes after it has fetched the packages. No error messages or anything, I've even let the process run for 8 hours and it does not proceed. Example output https://pastebin.com/C1nqbkBR any ideas on how to trouble shoot? |
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| 11:13.03 | apollo13 | Lockzi: see what strace says |
| 11:13.14 | apollo13 | also maybe run an apt-get clean before |
| 11:14.19 | freeone | no, actually if I set port forwarding like: |
| 11:14.20 | freeone | ssh -f -N -R 5000:localhost:22 name@1.2.3.4 |
| 11:14.25 | freeone | and then ssh to 1.2.3.4 on port 5000, the "who" will not show my ip |
| 11:14.30 | freeone | that is why I want to know other ways to reveal ip |
| 11:14.32 | apollo13 | of course not |
| 11:14.39 | apollo13 | how would it be able to show your ip |
| 11:14.45 | apollo13 | it doesn't know it |
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| 11:15.17 | jelly | Lockzi, is this debian or raspbian? |
| 11:15.22 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 11:15.23 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 11:15.28 | apollo13 | port forwards will always mask that, in the best case you'd see 127.0.0.1 if at all as ip |
| 11:16.13 | freeone | good |
| 11:16.37 | freeone | because I want to hide my ip from who and other tools output |
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| 11:17.23 | apollo13 | well the connection is still there |
| 11:17.36 | apollo13 | and a sysadmin can easily pinpoint that to the originating ssh connection |
| 11:17.46 | apollo13 | or just disable port forwards if needed ;) |
| 11:17.51 | freeone | yes, among dosens of others, so its like hiding in the crowd |
| 11:18.05 | apollo13 | if you say so |
| 11:18.30 | apollo13 | it is always fascinating how people think they can hide in the crowd |
| 11:18.41 | apollo13 | that process is easily pinpointable |
| 11:18.49 | freeone | ho |
| 11:18.52 | freeone | how |
| 11:19.39 | apollo13 | sorry, if you want to be "creative" by hiding your actions you should invest a little time in figuring that out yourself |
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| 11:20.03 | freeone | very helpful, thanks |
| 11:20.22 | apollo13 | well I do not support actions that are ment to subvert system security |
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| 11:21.53 | Lockzi | apollo13: sudo strace apt-get upgrade or with a flag? Never used strace before |
| 11:22.19 | apollo13 | that should do it, at least as long as apt-get doesn't fork |
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| 11:22.59 | Lockzi | jelly: It's raspbian. I've already checked in #raspbian but none is available to help unfortunately |
| 11:23.06 | apollo13 | Lockzi: that said, raspbian doesn't see to be supported here, so please use those ressources |
| 11:23.19 | nkuttler | !they don't know |
| 11:23.19 | dpkg | We're sorry your distro's channel isn't being helpful, but that doesn't make it appropriate to use #debian for non-Debian questions. Please go back to your channel and wait patiently for better help, or install Debian and party with us. |
| 11:23.20 | apollo13 | s/those ressources/their support/ |
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| 11:24.35 | Lockzi | Understood, thanks anyhow! :) Have a great party! |
| 11:26.07 | freeone | nazi party |
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| 11:26.32 | apollo13 | mhm someone is disappointed that he can't hide his ip |
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| 11:43.20 | Lockzi | Just for your information I think I solved it! My system has etckeeper which somehow halted the process. Using strace as per apollo13 suggestion I found that the apt-get process was waiting for a process with pid 8035, when checking that process I saw that it was an git process. Killing it made everything move on! |
| 11:43.27 | Lockzi | Many thanks guys :) |
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| 12:40.16 | julius | im currently running 4.8.0-1 because newer kernels just wont start, they load the ramdisk and then say something about: a tpm error occoured while reading a pcr....i can press enter and the vertical blinking bar moves down, i can reboot with ctrl+strg+entf but it just sits there otherwise :( |
| 12:40.23 | julius | my root is on a encrypted lvm |
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| 12:42.03 | apollo13 | julius: as for the pcr error, go to the bios and set tpr to hidden or enabled |
| 12:42.16 | apollo13 | setting it to disabled casues that (harmless?) "warning" |
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| 12:53.11 | julius | apollo13: so there are other reasons it wont boot? |
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| 13:07.03 | forcerecon | morning debian |
| 13:07.03 | forcerecon | need some help configuring what will be a server |
| 13:07.13 | forcerecon | I have sda 500GB sdb 2T sdd 2T and sde 2TB |
| 13:07.13 | apollo13 | julius: that would be the assumption, I also have those tpm warnings |
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| 13:08.04 | forcerecon | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.18 | forcerecon | what is the proper sequence for setting up LVM with Encryption on those drive and also partitioning it the way I want above |
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| 13:09.05 | forcerecon | maybe i should just look for a video online about something similar |
| 13:10.00 | apollo13 | use luks to encrypt all the hard drives, than use the as physical volumes for lvm and setup vgs/lvs as you see fit |
| 13:10.26 | jubo2 | swap shouldn't be more than 4GB |
| 13:10.38 | jubo2 | root can be like 15-20GB |
| 13:10.49 | jubo2 | maybe you need a ton of /tmp forcerecon |
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| 13:11.30 | jubo2 | forcerecon: as to the LVM I cannot help. I've never done multi-disk volumes |
| 13:11.39 | apollo13 | yeah 500gb seems a bit excessive :D |
| 13:11.45 | apollo13 | (for root & friends) |
| 13:12.07 | forcerecon | not sure what I need.. just going to be a file share on the local lan |
| 13:12.07 | forcerecon | trying to figure this out during installation from DVD |
| 13:12.09 | forcerecon | not sure what to pick atm |
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| 13:13.08 | forcerecon | I see no way to choose all the disks when it asks to use entire disk it just picks one.. how do you combine them all to one before you get to that step in the process |
| 13:13.20 | jubo2 | forcerecon: no idea |
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| 13:14.09 | forcerecon | Ill assume I can move home later? I thought it would be best to do it during the installation |
| 13:14.16 | jubo2 | forcerecon: totally |
| 13:14.38 | vutral | how do i get exim to have a reasonable configuration |
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| 13:15.31 | jubo2 | vutral: Our prof at the uni said that getting into mail system running required a lot of knowledge |
| 13:15.37 | jubo2 | to me it sounded always simple |
| 13:15.44 | jubo2 | but that's what the uni told us |
| 13:16.21 | vutral | it could be easier |
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| 13:16.53 | vutral | ssl and authentication configuration is missing in the package configuration clearly |
| 13:17.48 | jubo2 | Email is supposed to be sent unencrypted so NSA can read and squeal it to Murikan industrial-complexes |
| 13:18.07 | jubo2 | P-; |
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| 13:19.39 | apollo13 | forcerecon: you have to choose the manual partition option and partition accordingly, full disk will always just utilize one |
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| 14:01.25 | SuperTramp83 | jubo2, https://mailinabox.email/ |
| 14:02.18 | jubo2 | uhh. |
| 14:02.20 | jubo2 | wut? |
| 14:02.23 | jubo2 | not interested |
| 14:02.43 | jubo2 | you can keep your spam-can the verb away from me |
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| 14:44.59 | q9 | Hi, my USB-mouse disconnects every time I use it. (Debian 10) On another machine it works flawlessly. What could be the reason? |
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| 14:47.41 | kchr | q9: get a longer cable |
| 14:47.49 | kchr | sorry, bad joke... |
| 14:47.58 | q9 | ^^ |
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| 15:04.27 | gorbypark_ | Hi, I'm attempting to install stretch, and after the base system installs and it asks about which packages to install (only installing the standard system utilities) i get an error that quickly says "no space left on device" and then the screen goes black and starts flashing white every once and a while |
| 15:04.57 | gorbypark_ | but this is a 1TB drive, single partition (+swap) just for debian, so it's obviously not actually out of space... |
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| 15:16.25 | Brigo | gorbypark_, maybe not the disk, but some partition. |
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| 15:17.05 | gorbypark_ | brigo, its one 984gb partition.. |
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| 15:17.30 | Brigo | what's the output of df -h ? |
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| 15:18.37 | gorbypark_ | i cant boot yet... |
| 15:18.49 | gorbypark_ | this is in the installer |
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| 15:23.24 | q9 | https://paste.linux.community/view/5f890d18 That's what I get, when I move the mouse. I have the same problem with another mouse. |
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| 16:17.15 | jul2000 | Hello good people of the interwebs ! |
| 16:18.24 | jul2000 | ... |
| 16:18.30 | jul2000 | I haz a question |
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| 16:19.10 | jul2000 | I've installed stetch, but unfortunately, usbmount i nowhere to be found in the repo |
| 16:19.28 | jul2000 | stretch |
| 16:19.31 | apollo13 | what is that and what is it suppoed to do |
| 16:19.38 | jul2000 | it automounts usb |
| 16:19.47 | jul2000 | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=usbmount |
| 16:19.50 | apollo13 | every desktop environment does that ;) |
| 16:20.02 | jul2000 | I don't use DE |
| 16:20.17 | apollo13 | well you can probably install from unstable |
| 16:20.28 | jul2000 | yeah ? |
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| 16:20.51 | apollo13 | then again it just looks like bash scripts and config files |
| 16:20.54 | jul2000 | It's not like I'm going to flush massive doze of crap into my system by doing so ? |
| 16:21.10 | apollo13 | doesn't look like it |
| 16:21.16 | jul2000 | k |
| 16:21.21 | apollo13 | you could probably even just download the deb package and just install that |
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| 16:21.38 | jul2000 | Yeah that's what I wa thinking about, instead of adding repo |
| 16:21.54 | jul2000 | So rather unstable than old stable then ? |
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| 16:23.16 | jul2000 | ok then I guess this is a yes |
| 16:23.52 | apollo13 | yeah, I would check unstable first |
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| 16:24.04 | jul2000 | k thx |
| 16:24.47 | jul2000 | mya the love of our lord and savior jesus christ be upon you forever you almighty apollo |
| 16:24.58 | jul2000 | have a good day |
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| 16:25.10 | apollo13 | oO |
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| 16:34.26 | forcerecon | looks like it is going to take a week to create meta data overwrite for 7TB's |
| 16:34.44 | forcerecon | LVM.. sigh |
| 16:35.27 | forcerecon | brutal... |
| 16:36.05 | apollo13 | hu? we have 12 tb here and no issues |
| 16:36.05 | apollo13 | not even a full raid parity check takes that long |
| 16:36.19 | jelly | lvm has 4MiB at the beginning of each PV reserved, nuking that isn't that slow |
| 16:36.28 | forcerecon | taking about 1.4 hours and only at about 20% |
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| 16:37.46 | apollo13 | what command did you execute? |
| 16:37.46 | jelly | which command do you think of when you say "meta data overwrite" |
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| 16:37.46 | apollo13 | dd if=/dev/zero of=your_disk? :D |
| 16:38.58 | friiq | https://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl |
| 16:39.15 | CQ | hello, my apache is not workingwith php on stretch... <?php phpinfo(); ?> in a test.php document returns nothing. any ideas? libapache2-mod-php7.0 is installed and enabled |
| 16:39.18 | friiq | http://battleforthenet.com |
| 16:39.18 | CQ | the apache2 default page comes up fine |
| 16:39.28 | apollo13 | friiq: please keep that spam out of here |
| 16:39.44 | apollo13 | CQ: personally I'd consider that a feature |
| 16:39.57 | apollo13 | one less security issue XD |
| 16:40.15 | CQ | apollo13: I'd agree, but I need mariasb and phpmyadmin |
| 16:40.31 | apollo13 | CQ: you are installing php just for phpmyadmin? |
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| 16:40.39 | apollo13 | there are plenty of good management programs for mysql |
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| 16:41.02 | apollo13 | none of them require a webserver ;) |
| 16:41.02 | CQ | apollo13 and this is on a laptop with local only access |
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| 16:41.02 | apollo13 | still, why not just use the mysql workbench or what it was called? |
| 16:41.47 | apollo13 | even in the repo… |
| 16:42.29 | CQ | I'm not getting a DB connection and wanted to chekc with phpmyadmin |
| 16:42.35 | forcerecon | http://i.imgur.com/FN0YC1u.jpg |
| 16:42.35 | forcerecon | let me rephrase and talk properly.. |
| 16:42.35 | forcerecon | sorry for confusion |
| 16:44.28 | apollo13 | outch, wasn't there an option to not do that? |
| 16:44.28 | forcerecon | no.. I wish there was.. |
| 16:44.28 | apollo13 | mhm, I would have manually created the config then and just reused it |
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| 16:44.55 | forcerecon | might be done tomorrow.. |
| 16:44.55 | forcerecon | but.. well.. now I know |
| 16:44.55 | jelly | friiq, this is not a US-specific channel and your account is very fresh. You're now muted as a precaution, PM me if you need to use this channel for tech support |
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| 17:20.01 | contrapunctus | o/ |
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| 17:20.53 | discovered | hi |
| 17:20.55 | contrapunctus | Where does reportbug get the user realname and email from? How can I modify this information? |
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| 17:23.53 | jhutchins | contrapunctus: Prompts for it on at first run, should be a . file in ~ |
| 17:24.42 | jhutchins | contrapunctus: Have you checked the manpage? |
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| 17:26.01 | skinux | Is this channel only for literal Debian or also covers derivatives? |
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| 17:26.32 | jhutchins | skinux: Debian only. |
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| 18:30.27 | fury_ | not sure what's going on, I'm trying to get a very basic debian install going. installer starts, gets DHCP (which is all valid stuff), but DNS does not work. at all. after booting my "very minimal" system (because apt-get would not work in the installer), I have internet, can ping eg. 8.8.8.8, can ping the gateway, etc. dns does not work. what might be going on? |
| 18:30.35 | fury_ | it will not even work in the installer |
| 18:31.41 | Achylles | http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/debian-9.html |
| 18:31.50 | BluesKaj | fury_, using a live image to install debian ? |
| 18:32.12 | fury_ | BluesKaj: just the one that was available on the website. https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 18:32.33 | Achylles | He says here that debian is a failure???!!! |
| 18:32.33 | fury_ | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:32.33 | fury_ | to be specific |
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| 18:33.40 | Brigo | fury_, what is the output of cat /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 18:33.42 | fury_ | https://paste.codexterous.com/view/b38e2042 |
| 18:33.57 | fury_ | 10.0.0.1 is valid, reachable, and a dns server. alternatively, google's dns does not work either. |
| 18:34.16 | fury_ | ohh wait a sec |
| 18:34.20 | fury_ | I think I might know what's going on |
| 18:35.03 | fury_ | hmm no, I don't. |
| 18:35.03 | fury_ | not what I thought it might be |
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| 18:35.35 | Brigo | try with dig, dig google.com, for example |
| 18:35.48 | fury_ | I do not have dig. |
| 18:36.21 | BluesKaj | fury_, in systemd the dns nameservers should be entered in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf |
| 18:36.21 | fury_ | I do not have host, telnet, dig, nslookup, or anything like that. |
| 18:36.21 | fury_ | BluesKaj: possibly. but the installer doesn't work either. |
| 18:38.01 | BluesKaj | fury_, so you're saying debian is not installed or what? |
| 18:38.03 | Brigo | fury_, the only problem i can think of is dns port blocked in some point. |
| 18:38.25 | fury_ | BluesKaj: it is installed. minimally from a netinstall image. |
| 18:38.55 | BluesKaj | netinstall is usually very reliable , more so then the giu versions |
| 18:39.23 | BluesKaj | then=than |
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| 18:39.59 | fury_ | i wish there was some way to even tell if udp 53 is blocked. |
| 18:40.05 | fury_ | I have absolutely no tools available |
| 18:40.09 | fury_ | and no internet to get them |
| 18:40.38 | fury_ | is there maybe a binary of dig available somewhere |
| 18:40.38 | fury_ | I do have wget apparently |
| 18:40.38 | n4dir | what i would do is use a CD-installation iso instead of the netinstaller, to have more tools available after installation |
| 18:40.49 | fury_ | if it's multiple disks, I can't do it. |
| 18:41.02 | fury_ | wouldn't solve the problem anyway. |
| 18:41.35 | Brigo | fury_, download the first cd or dvd and install from there. |
| 18:41.35 | n4dir | well: if you use the netinstaller and you don't have internet during installation, then you will end with a very, very minimal installation. |
| 18:41.41 | n4dir | so sure it would help |
| 18:41.45 | BluesKaj | laptops need an ethernet connection |
| 18:41.48 | fury_ | I am wondering why the dns is not working in the installer. that is the question. |
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| 18:42.13 | fury_ | where I am now is a consequence of a non-working installer. |
| 18:42.39 | Brigo | fury_, at that point network should work perfectly. |
| 18:42.43 | BluesKaj | did you have an a proper internet connection during the install |
| 18:43.12 | fury_ | Brigo: yet here I am. |
| 18:43.13 | BluesKaj | ethernet |
| 18:44.22 | Brigo | fury_, i doubt debian is the problem. |
| 18:44.39 | fury_ | believe it or not, I do too. |
| 18:44.45 | Brigo | fury_, i have never seen a problem like that, and it should be a big one. |
| 18:44.51 | BluesKaj | dns settings in your router shouldn't affect the install procedure unless you have ports blocked |
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| 18:59.10 | ibthehackern1 | hi |
| 18:59.27 | ibthehackern1 | im new here |
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| 19:08.38 | cybrNaut | really fuckin sucks that the installer forces a random overwrite of all encrypted partitions. Even if the drive is new from the factory. Zero-filling would serve the same purpose in a sensible amount of time |
| 19:08.58 | cybrNaut | takes hours to do a terabyte SSD |
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| 19:09.23 | petn-randall | cybrNaut: Not quite, you can still fingerprint data from the filesystem if it's been zero-filled before. |
| 19:09.37 | n4dir | cybrNaut: last time i did an encrypted installation, you could choose to not overwrite |
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| 19:09.57 | petn-randall | cybrNaut: Personally, I formatted it by hand before installing, and then used the discard option throughout all layers. |
| 19:10.17 | cybrNaut | what's the discard option? |
| 19:10.19 | apollo13 | petn-randall: doesn't that result in zeroes again? :) |
| 19:10.25 | apollo13 | ie finger printing |
| 19:10.47 | petn-randall | apollo13: Correct. It's the trade-off I made. |
| 19:10.53 | apollo13 | yeah, same here |
| 19:11.07 | cybrNaut | petn-randall: not sure what you mean by fingerprinting. If it's zero-filled, there's nothing to fingerprint |
| 19:11.40 | cybrNaut | do you mean using a scanning electron microscope? |
| 19:11.49 | cybrNaut | on magnetic media? |
| 19:12.10 | petn-randall | cybrNaut: If you look at the data at the block layer, you'll see areas of zero and areas of random bytes (encrypted data). You can deduct the type of filesystem from it, and also if a certain file is on that filesystem. |
| 19:12.13 | apollo13 | cybrNaut: well with zeroes there you can at least figure out which sections contain data |
| 19:12.26 | apollo13 | petn-randall: how can you do the latter? |
| 19:13.42 | jmcnaught | cybrNaut: it's not forced, at least when i did it last in the jessie installer you can cancel the random overwrite operation and it still encrypts the disk |
| 19:13.44 | petn-randall | apollo13: Not with 100% certainty. But if you send someone a file with e.g. 2342348234 bytes in size, and you find a region on the disk that has exact so many random bytes, you can assume with some certainty that this file is present. |
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| 19:14.05 | apollo13 | petn-randall: right, was just wondering if I missed something :) |
| 19:14.17 | cybrNaut | petn-randall: i'm not quite following.. if it's zero-filled, it should all be zeros, no random bytes of encryptoed data afaik |
| 19:14.28 | cybrNaut | well, i guess it's not important |
| 19:14.34 | cybrNaut | jmcnaught: thanks, will look for that |
| 19:14.46 | petn-randall | cybrNaut: It's not zero-filled anymore if you write data to it, right? |
| 19:15.01 | cybrNaut | oh, i see |
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| 19:16.12 | cybrNaut | getting random numbers takes so damn long, i don't think that esoteric vulnerability is worth the hours it takes |
| 19:16.42 | apollo13 | what's the throughput of /dev/urandom on current systems? |
| 19:17.16 | jmcnaught | i always cancel it. with encrypted disks really i am just trying to protect my data in case the drive/laptop is lost or phsyically stolen |
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| 19:19.14 | cybrNaut | i noticed the installer refuses to move ahead if swap isn't encrypted.. you never know what the installer will be fussy about |
| 19:19.42 | cybrNaut | had I not come in here, I would think the installer would refuse to go ahead if I cancelled the overwrite |
| 19:20.14 | cybrNaut | anyway, thanks for the info |
| 19:20.17 | discovered | I don't like the motherboard builtin atheros wifi card. I have another PCI wifi card which is much better. How can disable the built in card ? |
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| 19:21.03 | jmcnaught | discovered: how do you configure networking on this computer? |
| 19:21.28 | discovered | WAN |
| 19:22.53 | jmcnaught | discovered: could you be more clear? |
| 19:23.59 | discovered | jmcnaught, I configure networking with kde network manager |
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| 19:25.25 | discovered | jmcnaught, Am i clear yet? |
| 19:26.24 | kchr | discovered: i think you can choose what physical interface you want to use for a connection |
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| 19:27.16 | kchr | but i might be confusing it with gnome network manager, if there's a difference |
| 19:27.23 | jmcnaught | discovered: NetworkManager by default on Debian ignores interfaces declared in /etc/network/interfaces, so you can make an "iface $INTERFACE inet manual" line for that interface to have it ignored |
| 19:27.57 | fury__ | Brigo, BluesKaj: figured it out, thanks. two things: firewall rules on the host machine, and debian vm subnet was not an allowed client on my named. |
| 19:28.29 | discovered | https://pastebin.com/0tdNvq2D these onboard wifi firmware loading error bother me. |
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| 19:29.17 | jmcnaught | discovered: firmware-atheros package |
| 19:29.32 | discovered | I already installed that package |
| 19:29.39 | discovered | But still these errors |
| 19:29.55 | BluesKaj | wish you guys would mention vm when you're installling an OS |
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| 19:30.05 | BluesKaj | fury__, ^ |
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| 19:31.28 | discovered | apt-get install firmware-atheros: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 19:32.07 | discovered | I don't want these firmware to load at boot time... Seems not good supported in Linux |
| 19:32.18 | jmcnaught | discovered: if it eventually finds a firmware that it loads but has a few errors about not finding others that it tried first, then i wouldn't worry about it. does the interface function? |
| 19:32.59 | discovered | jmcnaught, Very weak signal and very low speed |
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| 19:33.40 | jmcnaught | discovered: i would just disable it with a line in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:34.14 | aura | Hello i'm getting permission denied error when running a software i compiled |
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| 19:35.28 | discovered | jmcnaught, if i disable in interface then at next boot i won't see these error ... right? |
| 19:36.24 | jmcnaught | discovered: the firmware errors? you will probably still see those, it's from the kernel trying to load modules for all the attached hardware |
| 19:37.09 | jmcnaught | if you blacklisted the module then you would not see the firmware errors |
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| 19:38.25 | discovered | Hmm then i should blacklist it. Any kind of error that caused for hardware just bother me.. |
| 19:39.08 | discovered | where should i blacklist it? |
| 19:39.45 | discovered | I see, /etc/modprobe.d/amd64-microcode-blacklist.conf and /etc/modprobe.d/intel-microcode-blacklist.conf |
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| 19:40.50 | jmcnaught | discovered: make a file like one of those in that directory, but for the module you want to blacklist |
| 19:41.48 | discovered | that mean, i need to create /etc/modprobe.d/blacklisted.conf ... right? |
| 19:42.57 | jmcnaught | discovered: i would give the file a descriptive name, and include a comment. You may also wish to make a note of doing this, so one year from now when you want to use the device again for some reason it's not a big mystery why you can't see it |
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| 19:43.47 | discovered | you are 100% right |
| 19:44.20 | jmcnaught | discovered: or if you disable it in your interfaces file, it's pretty clear that the device is present, but unmanaged |
| 19:45.45 | discovered | if blacklisted then i need to run update-initramfs -u ? |
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| 19:47.45 | jmcnaught | discovered: no |
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| 19:49.18 | discovered | so - blacklist module #and i am done .. right? |
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| 19:49.23 | discovered | i just need to reboot? |
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| 19:51.20 | discovered | jmcnaught, how do i find the exact name to blacklist? |
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| 19:52.09 | discovered | lspci : Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter |
| 19:53.12 | aura | anyone? |
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| 19:54.12 | n4dir | try <which name-of-compiled-software>. If it is to be found in a path with something like sbin, you need root rights to run it. |
| 19:54.50 | LtL | discovered: do 'lspci -nn' whats the hex value |
| 19:55.12 | jmcnaught | discovered: "lspci -k" shows the kernel modules |
| 19:55.16 | n4dir | else i can think of "ls -l" to figure out if the settings to execute are set accordingly, aura |
| 19:55.48 | aura | yes it's in bin |
| 19:56.04 | aura | how do i run it with root rights? |
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| 19:56.43 | n4dir | i do "su", enter my password, and then run it. rumors are to be heard some people use "sudo". |
| 19:56.59 | discovered | Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 32) |
| 19:56.59 | discovered | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.59 | discovered | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.14 | discovered | ath10k_pci to disable? |
| 19:59.24 | aura | i normally run it with the icon |
| 20:00.09 | aura | do i need to launch it from the terminal? |
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| 20:01.37 | n4dir | aura: it sure will tell you more to figure out what the exact problem might be. So: yes, i would try that |
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| 20:03.52 | aura | ok, softwarename & worked |
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| 20:04.08 | aura | one more thing |
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| 20:04.48 | aura | i'm not sure i've installed this software correctly, is there a way to installing outside root? |
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| 20:11.32 | n4dir | there probably is, but i am not the right person to ask. If it was me i would try to get in contact with the people who deliver the software. |
| 20:12.05 | n4dir | though: if they deliver it in a way that it has to be run as root, there sure is a good reason why they do so. |
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| 20:13.54 | aura | ok thanks anyway |
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| 20:14.25 | xp | How do I put the head on my system? |
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| 20:16.29 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.41 | xp | I'm on debian |
| 20:17.19 | xp | Brigo: I want to go from headless to graphical interface |
| 20:17.40 | Brigo | xp, which desktop? |
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| 20:17.57 | xp | I plan on using gdm3 |
| 20:18.11 | Brigo | xp, gnome, then? |
| 20:18.18 | xp | Brigo: Yes |
| 20:18.26 | Brigo | try apt-get install gnome |
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| 20:19.05 | xp | Brigo: It's a headless install, don't I need to put the header on first? |
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| 20:19.40 | Brigo | xp you mean Xorg? |
| 20:19.49 | xp | Brigo: I guess |
| 20:20.16 | Brigo | xp gnome depends on xorg, so it will get installed |
| 20:20.24 | xp | Is it "linux-headers-4.9.0-3-686" what I'm looking for? I've found this package on apt search |
| 20:20.32 | Brigo | xp |
| 20:20.47 | Brigo | xp, no those are the linux kernel headers. |
| 20:20.58 | xp | Brigo: Don't I need that? |
| 20:21.09 | Brigo | xp if you need that, it will get installed. |
| 20:21.17 | xp | Brigo: Ok, thanks |
| 20:21.34 | Brigo | you only need that if you need to build something from the kernel sources. |
| 20:21.38 | Brigo | drivers mostly |
| 20:21.42 | jmcnaught | xp: when you install a package with apt it also installs the packages that software needs to work |
| 20:21.47 | Brigo | like nvidia driver. |
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| 20:24.58 | n4dir | i seem to remember: "apt-cache show <packagename>" will show all the dependencies ( apt-cache show pkg-name | grep -i dep ; will be slightly more clear). Use gnome for packagename, and it should list xorg and such as a dependency |
| 20:25.15 | n4dir | assuming the name of the metapackage is gnome, i don't kow |
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| 20:26.43 | Brigo | n4dir, apt depends packagename will do it too. |
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| 20:31.04 | n4dir | well: good point |
| 20:31.21 | n4dir | thanks |
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| 20:34.51 | fury_ | is there any way to access the installer post-install? like to do things you couldn't do if you didn't have a network connection? |
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| 20:35.05 | fury_ | i want it to get whatever packages and stuff it normally would have |
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| 20:37.55 | fury_ | and how do I get apt-get to work? "E: Package 'aptitude' has no installation candidate" |
| 20:38.02 | fury_ | and other things that should work. |
| 20:38.11 | zer0_ | hello, can I limit the cpu usage of a single process? |
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| 20:38.49 | zer0_ | for example limit mysqld to 80% of total cpu resource |
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| 20:40.23 | LtL | xp: apt show task-gnome-desktop |
| 20:40.27 | Brigo | fury_, install from DVD, those packages aren't in netinstall. |
| 20:40.56 | fury_ | Brigo: fine. question is: a) is there any way to access the installer post-install. b) why does't apt-get work for something like "apt-get install aptitude". |
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| 20:41.08 | fury_ | I do not, and cannot, install from dvd. |
| 20:41.12 | fury_ | er did not. |
| 20:41.23 | fury_ | the system is installed. just need to know why apt-get doesn't work, and if there's a way to get to the installer post-install. |
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| 21:30.03 | snake_eyes | Is aptitude the same as apt ? |
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| 22:29.39 | Deeps | hi, i'm running debian wheezy, did some updates recently for the first time in a while and it appears to have broken ipv6 - /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/ no longer features eth0 (my primary interface) |
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| 22:29.58 | Deeps | and eth0 no longer has a linklocal address nor is it accepting the autoconf router advertisements from my router |
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| 22:33.48 | Deeps | manually assigning it's link local address seems to have done the trick, oddness |
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| 22:35.45 | kline | Deeps, wheezy doesn't get security updates any more, btw |
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| 22:36.00 | kline | is upgrading a possibility? remember that it can be done in place |
| 22:36.16 | Deeps | oh really |
| 22:36.24 | Deeps | i thought oldstable still got updates for a while |
| 22:37.29 | Deeps | https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using - looks like wheezy's covered until 2018-05 |
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| 22:48.06 | ealfonso | In python, this python -c 'from cryptography.hazmat.bindings.openssl.binding import Binding; binding = Binding(); binding.init_static_locks(); ffi = binding.ffi; ffi.new_allocator(should_clear_after_alloc=False)' gives me 'FFI' object has no attribute 'new_allocator'. Googling led me to this: http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/ticket/3074 which suggests it is debian-related |
| 22:48.17 | kline | Deeps, i think the keyword is the short paragraph below the the source file section |
| 22:48.47 | kline | i believe the debian security team have moved on, and any security updates are provided when someone gets around to it, if ever, rather than being routine and priority |
| 22:49.07 | kline | wheezy is still in it's LTS phase, yes, but it's not being supported by the security folk |
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| 22:52.58 | kline | Deeps, this page suggests that the date for ending security support was April 2016: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS |
| 22:53.38 | kline | as does: https://www.debian.org/News/2016/20160425 |
| 22:53.59 | jmcnaught | the LTS team seems to be doing a pretty decent job, LTS really only covers server stuff though |
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| 23:06.32 | Guest62604 | Grrrr setting up wifi can be a PITA |
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| 23:16.55 | ealfonso | why do I have python cffi 0.8.6 when the latest is 1.9? http://cffi.readthedocs.io/en/release-1.9/ref.html#ffi-new-allocator |
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| 23:18.18 | themill | ealfonso: which release of Debian? |
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| 23:18.57 | themill | It won't surprise you to know that a release that is two years old has 2+ year old software in it. |
| 23:19.02 | ealfonso | 8.7. now my pip is completely messed up. no commands work |
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| 23:23.01 | themill | perhaps you could actually describe your problem rather than just going to a different channel when you don't like the answer... |
| 23:23.21 | themill | !ask |
| 23:23.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 23:23.50 | themill | (for instance, what do you mean by "my pip"? what did you change that broke things? what do you run and what is the output?) |
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| 23:28.44 | ealfonso | I get "AttributeError: 'FFI' object has no attribute 'new_allocator'" for every pip command. I am taking this to python |
| 23:29.13 | ealfonso | it seems to have happened after attempting to install 'pip install twisted' |
| 23:29.19 | themill | as root? |
| 23:29.19 | ealfonso | and scrappy 'pip install scrapy' |
| 23:29.22 | ealfonso | yes |
| 23:29.25 | themill | ugh |
| 23:29.37 | themill | sudo pip is about the worst thing invented |
| 23:29.48 | ealfonso | I always get an error if I don't install as root |
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| 23:30.13 | themill | these things are already packaged. apt-get install python-twisted. |
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| 23:31.21 | OS-30560 | hey guys |
| 23:31.40 | themill | and if you really must use pip for things that are not packaged, pip --user. |
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| 23:32.53 | ealfonso | I guess pip tried to upgrade an openssl library that uses a later version of cffi |
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| 23:35.33 | fury_ | what do I need to do to boot this machine with a static IP? the "NetworkConfiguration" wiki page does not exactly inspire confidence. is there a more clear set of directions? this is a super easy thing and should be very clearly documented. |
| 23:35.51 | OS-30560 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.53 | fury_ | not to mention I did literally what "NetworkConfiguration" said and now I have no default route. |
| 23:36.33 | themill | you could literally pastebin what you did... |
| 23:36.59 | Zharf | OS-30560, better not use that password anymore |
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| 23:43.37 | OS-30560 | wut |
| 23:46.16 | likcoras | Hi, sometimes at boot, sometimes a while after running, my wifi connection fails, and won't come back up no matter what I do until a reboot. logs: https://paste.debian.net/976701/ is my hardware failing or do I have a misconfiguration? |
| 23:46.42 | likcoras | device is handled by wpa_supplicant with a "wpa-roam" directive in e/n/i |
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| 23:53.30 | likcoras | e/n/i: https://paste.debian.net/976702/ wpa_supplicant.conf: https://paste.debian.net/976703/ |
| 23:54.31 | likcoras | lspci: https://paste.debian.net/976704/ |
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