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| 00:02.44 | jmcnaught | wwwwwwww: does removing the module with "modprobe -r snd-hda-intel" and then loading it again with modprobe work? |
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| 00:12.36 | bit1 | Hello!, Is there any Active Directory (R) equivalent in Debian ? |
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| 00:14.57 | jmcnaught | bit1: there are a few LDAP servers |
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| 00:15.31 | wwwwwwww | jmcnaught: "modprobe: FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel is in use." |
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| 00:15.31 | racar | Hey guys, using debian strech + kernel 4.9.30-2 with kernel module wl for my Broadcom wireless network adapter (14e4:43a0). The first 5 seconds everything is super quick. After, i got a dns timeout and the internet bit rate go super slow. Any ideas ? |
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| 00:20.29 | bit1 | jmcnaught, 389-ds and this one ? |
| 00:21.18 | jmcnaught | bit1: there's also slapd (openldap) and apacheds |
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| 00:22.22 | jmcnaught | wwwwwwww: for each row, the final column is modules used |
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| 00:24.12 | onca | I am having some strange issues with pxeboot and tftpd-hpa dhcpd-isc -- the same configuration works on another system, tho maybe I'm missing something. |
| 00:24.29 | jmcnaught | wwwwwwww: unloading your sound modules aren't a normal thing to do, but i suggested trying it to get an idea if this problem gets solved by reloading the module. If that is the case, it could be a bug in the module's handling of power management events |
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| 00:30.44 | jmcnaught | bit1: you might also be interested in something like fusiondirectory if you go with openldap. 389 and apacheds both have their own management consoles |
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| 00:31.16 | bit1 | jmcnaught, thanks :) |
| 00:31.20 | Solzo | Hello |
| 00:32.08 | Solzo | I have a problem installing linux, is this the place to ask questions? |
| 00:32.15 | Solzo | debian |
| 00:32.17 | jmcnaught | bit1: i tried both 389-ds and slapd last year, and am currently implementing 389-ds. I didn't spend a lot of time looking at apacheds because it wasn't in Debian at the time |
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| 00:32.47 | jmcnaught | Solzo: welcome to a Debian tech support chatroom ⺠|
| 00:33.18 | Solzo | awesome |
| 00:33.30 | tx | Hello yes I am Kunal, how may I help you today sir? |
| 00:33.57 | Solzo | When i try to install it I get to the very end of the installation process and it restarts |
| 00:34.34 | Solzo | I have a Getac S400 with 940GB SSD drive |
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| 00:34.54 | Solzo | and about 12+ GB mem |
| 00:35.09 | jmcnaught | Solzo: it's supposed to restart at the end of the installation |
| 00:35.24 | Solzo | but it doesnt get to the grub installation prompt |
| 00:35.32 | bit1 | jmcnaught, nice!, I need every user could access his/her files even from different PCs. |
| 00:35.37 | Solzo | like its supposed to |
| 00:36.07 | bit1 | jmcnaught, I am installing 389, I've several issues to solve. |
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| 00:37.19 | jmcnaught | bit1: 389-ds is a beast, expect to read lots of documentation (Red Hat Directory Server 10 docs) while you wrap your head around using LDAP |
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| 00:38.45 | Solzo | Ill post a reddit thread about it in the subreddit right i gtta go peace |
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| 00:39.39 | garfuncle | Hello. I have installed the wlc package but for some reason the library libwlc.so.0 does not exist anywhere. |
| 00:39.51 | bit1 | jmcnaught, sure!, I'm thinking about it,"A directory must be managed by persons not proficient in the information system as a whole." |
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| 00:41.20 | jmcnaught | bit1: i think that 389-console is good enough to be run by non-techies that have been trained to use it |
| 00:41.32 | abrotman | judd: file libwlc.so |
| 00:41.36 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 00:42.26 | abrotman | garfuncle: no .so files at all in the package .. what are you actually trying to do? |
| 00:42.57 | garfuncle | Install swaywm. Via this guide made by one of the sway peeps https://github.com/SirCmpwn/sway/wiki/Debian-installation-guide |
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| 00:44.28 | abrotman | it's telling you to install wlc from source |
| 00:47.07 | garfuncle | I tried both. |
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| 00:50.19 | garfuncle | Talking to the guy who made that guide in sway irc. Told me to come here. |
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| 00:54.21 | jmcnaught | garfuncle: the wlc package in Debian is not the wlc linked to above. "apt-cache show wlc" |
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| 00:57.38 | garfuncle | Oh. Awkward. Well what the hell am I being sent you guys for? I apologize either he is a nutter or I am. Maybe a bit of both. |
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| 01:49.11 | Agafnd | what's the general opinion on snapd in the debian community? |
| 01:49.53 | xormor | https://pastebin.com/mac7hkdx |
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| 01:58.21 | hanasaki | have a uefi pc that has debian on it... somehow the boot is corrupted... trying to boot into a usb debian live as when deb was first installed.. the uefi says it cannot find the usb stick to boot / the usb stick boots fine on another pc and is the same one that was used to install the machine that no longer boots. any thoughts on how to get it to boot off the usb? |
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| 01:59.21 | prajamoah_ | Hello Hanasaki |
| 01:59.42 | hanasaki | hi |
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| 01:59.47 | prajamoah_ | What PC do you have? |
| 02:00.28 | hanasaki | kangaroo |
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| 02:00.48 | hanasaki | https://www.infocus.com/kangaroo |
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| 02:03.37 | prajamoah_ | Hanasaki, can you access the BIOS Setup mode and give priority to the USB Stick for Setup installation?? |
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| 02:04.15 | hanasaki | yes. tried it. didn't work |
| 02:05.59 | prajamoah_ | The the PC into recoverymode then |
| 02:07.09 | hanasaki | I can even boot to a menu and select usb however it doesn't seem to find the stick |
| 02:07.42 | prajamoah_ | Change the port, |
| 02:08.08 | hanasaki | prajamoah_: tried both ports.. and both ports do work with the usb keyboard |
| 02:08.49 | Praj_Amoah | Then it means your driver is not installed, try another USB |
| 02:09.08 | hanasaki | you mean another usb stick? |
| 02:09.13 | Praj_Amoah | Yes |
| 02:09.22 | hanasaki | tried the only 2 I have. |
| 02:09.28 | hanasaki | both diff brands |
| 02:09.32 | hanasaki | both used to work |
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| 02:10.35 | hanasaki | parallel conversation... why is it that debian 9 release uses kernel 4.9 not 4.10? |
| 02:11.06 | hanasaki | Praj_Amoah: do usb sticks really need a vendor specific driver? |
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| 02:12.08 | Praj_Amoah | Yes |
| 02:12.58 | Praj_Amoah | But not one you can download as a third party .exe file |
| 02:13.14 | Praj_Amoah | It isntalls automatically upon first input |
| 02:13.23 | Praj_Amoah | installs* |
| 02:14.29 | hanasaki | Praj_Amoah: no exe here.. its all linux |
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| 02:15.52 | hanasaki | this same usb stick booted fine last week on the pc. this week I did a reboot and now deb on the pc won't boot and the pc cannot find a usb stick to boot from when inserted |
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| 02:17.10 | Praj_Amoah | Okay.... If that is the case, insert the USB |
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| 02:17.24 | Praj_Amoah | Then boot into grub_rescuse |
| 02:17.29 | Praj_Amoah | rescue* |
| 02:17.38 | Praj_Amoah | Set the usb as root |
| 02:17.44 | Praj_Amoah | and boot the pc |
| 02:18.08 | Praj_Amoah | if you're using grub2, |
| 02:18.42 | hanasaki | how do you get to grub rescue please? |
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| 02:22.09 | hanasaki | Q: why does debian 9 have kernel 4.9 instead of 4.10? I thought that released kernels were even numbers not odd |
| 02:22.30 | Praj_Amoah | When you start-up, click on "c" once you see the grub..... Is this possible? |
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| 02:24.29 | hanasaki | on startup it just says "debian boot failed" |
| 02:26.42 | will__ | trying to change the folder from whihc site is served from default /var/www/html to something else |
| 02:26.43 | will__ | <will__> edited path in 000-default.conf and apache2.conf but then i get a 403 when i try localhost in browser. what gives? |
| 02:27.08 | will__ | ignore "<will__>" |
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| 02:31.39 | MikMouse | Hi, i can't find /etc/printcap on my debian ... , any hints ? |
| 02:32.22 | tx | MikMouse: it is not used |
| 02:32.26 | tx | (any more) |
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| 02:33.07 | tx | MikMouse: I believe the lpr package still provides it though |
| 02:33.09 | tx | "lpr" |
| 02:33.31 | tx | See: https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/lpr/index.html |
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| 02:33.45 | tx | or rather, now stable: https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/lpr/index.html :) |
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| 02:36.48 | MikMouse | so how do i verify printer-capabilities now ? (no cat /etc/printcap possible) |
| 02:37.31 | hanasaki | any thoughts as to why a pc would stop seeing the usb to boot from ? it is a uefi system |
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| 02:42.15 | Guest57398 | Hey I installed debian cinnamon for good looks and tried setting up a screen saver, and it worked every time I locked the screen it was GLmatrix and it worked for a while, but then it all of the sudden just started doing the default again, and it didn't stop. How do I make it more than the boring lock screen when i lock my computer? |
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| 02:45.53 | u0_a204 | exit |
| 02:45.59 | dTal | no |
| 02:46.00 | u0_a204 | ooops |
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| 02:49.31 | pingouin | see you all #debian |
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| 02:59.40 | ghormoon | hi, does debian installer have some sort of feature to "export" manually done installation to use as a preseed file which I'll just slightly edit next time? |
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| 03:03.38 | dvs | ghormoon, dpkg --get-selection |
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| 03:04.18 | dvs | dpkg --get-selections |
| 03:04.18 | dpkg | dvs: I give up, what is it? |
| 03:04.34 | dvs | dpkg shut up |
| 03:04.34 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 03:05.14 | ghormoon | that looks like just list of packages |
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| 03:06.00 | ghormoon | I want something like this but with the selections made in the installer (especially partitioning stuff etc that is not so straigthforward to edit manually) https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/example-preseed.txt |
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| 04:12.17 | pattinathar | hello can anyone plz help me im getting dependancy error while installing the software |
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| 04:18.14 | berkiyo | anyone use debian unstable on their daily PC? |
| 04:18.48 | jmcnaught | pattinathar: "/msg dpkg bat" for troubleshooting information to provide to get help |
| 04:18.50 | pingfloyd | I wouldn't recommend it for that usage |
| 04:19.09 | pingfloyd | for "daily PC" I want something reliable |
| 04:19.13 | berkiyo | if I update once a week, is it prone to breaking? ie: less stable than an arch install? |
| 04:19.14 | berkiyo | oh |
| 04:19.18 | berkiyo | So debian stable? |
| 04:19.22 | berkiyo | is that what you use? |
| 04:19.27 | pingfloyd | berkiyo: debian unstable can break at any time |
| 04:19.42 | berkiyo | what do you use? |
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| 04:19.49 | pingfloyd | debian stable |
| 04:20.04 | somiaj | berkiyo: you should ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, there are people who use sid as their daily machine, but they are also prepared to fix the machine when it breaks. If you don't want any downtime don't use unstable. |
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| 04:20.49 | berkiyo | I don't want any downtime :D |
| 04:20.52 | pingfloyd | one thing you'll encounter a lot is when all needed dependencies haven't been updated yet |
| 04:20.54 | berkiyo | but one question |
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| 04:21.02 | berkiyo | How can I use latest software like Firefox? |
| 04:21.05 | berkiyo | in stable |
| 04:21.14 | berkiyo | because IIRC, debian ships with ESR |
| 04:21.17 | berkiyo | which I don't wnt |
| 04:21.49 | pingfloyd | if you're going to use sid, I recommend always doing dry-runs first in your apt* operations |
| 04:21.49 | iodev | berkiyo what's wrong with ESR? |
| 04:21.59 | berkiyo | I want to use something like FF nightly |
| 04:22.14 | pingfloyd | berkiyo: I used the latest FF |
| 04:22.21 | pingfloyd | not nightly, but their latest release version |
| 04:22.32 | berkiyo | yeah, regular release is fine |
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| 04:22.44 | berkiyo | how did you do it? is it in the repos or do I have to manually install it? |
| 04:23.08 | pingfloyd | berkiyo: it's easy to install/remove firefox upstream though. You simply extract it where you want to "install it". |
| 04:24.08 | berkiyo | oh right |
| 04:24.29 | berkiyo | Well I am upgrading from stable to unstable (clean install) in a VM and going to see how it turns out for a few weeks |
| 04:24.58 | berkiyo | I don't really use any niche software (rather the defaults) so it should be "alright' however I would like something like stable but Ubuntu LTS like management of packages. |
| 04:25.04 | berkiyo | Oh well, I'll see how it goes :P |
| 04:25.14 | berkiyo | Thanks |
| 04:25.31 | pingfloyd | I'm sure you could probably run ff nightlies too in debian stable |
| 04:26.19 | jmcnaught | berkiyo: instead of upgrading to unstable you could use backports, and on stretch now there's also flatpak which can be used to install newer versions of applications in a way that doesn't conflict with apt/dpkg |
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| 04:26.33 | berkiyo | oh yeah! |
| 04:26.43 | pingfloyd | I use backports myself for a few programs |
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| 04:27.26 | berkiyo | well my VM is running sid now and so far nothing has changed other than the obvious (kernel) I use xfce btw |
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| 04:31.33 | berkiyo | debian.org is the fastest mirror and I'm in the AU? wow |
| 04:32.07 | jmcnaught | berkiyo: http://deb.debian.org/ is probably the fastest for most people |
| 04:32.19 | berkiyo | Yeah it is |
| 04:32.23 | berkiyo | I was surprised |
| 04:32.41 | jmcnaught | deb.debian.org is on a CDN provided by fastly and cloudfront |
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| 04:39.59 | marco25 | anyone know how to help me build this.. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beignet/1.3.0-4ubuntu1 |
| 04:39.59 | marco25 | im getting errors |
| 04:39.59 | marco25 | i did ask in ubuntu but i want help in building |
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| 04:41.25 | jmcnaught | marco25: please continue in #ubuntu, this channel is only for Debian support |
| 04:42.17 | marco25 | nothing to continue for that they are dumb |
| 04:43.50 | pattinathar | hello can anyone help me with this im getting this issue http://paste.debian.net/976854/ |
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| 05:17.07 | ghormoon | how can I make apt-get not ask when replacing files during upgrade and just force it to do so? -y --force-yes didn't help :-/ |
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| 05:20.04 | jmcnaught | ghormoon: when you can, use run-parts style drop in files, for example instead of editing apt.conf, put files in apt.conf.d. Also see https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/21/debian-conffile-configuration-file-managed-by-dpkg/ |
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| 05:24.12 | jmcnaught | user___: you can log in with ssh and run a command like 'systemctl suspend' but to wake it up you would need wake on lan |
| 05:24.12 | user___ | can we suspend debian pc & resume thru network? |
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| 07:42.58 | marco25 | anyone know the fix to this in debian |
| 07:42.58 | marco25 | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=860805 |
| 07:42.59 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/860805 in beignet-opencl-icd (closed): «beignet-opencl-icd: OpenCL fails with: drm_intel_gem_bo_context_exec() failed: Device or resource busy»; severity: serious; opened: 2017-04-20; last modified: 2017-06-11. |
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| 07:54.03 | dcpc007 | hi all |
| 07:55.03 | dcpc007 | on debian 7 i have frequently some error trying get the changelog of patch, is it a problem or are changelog not always available ? |
| 07:55.27 | dcpc007 | like : apt-get changelog sudo (or aptitude changelog sudo) |
| 07:55.35 | dcpc007 | error retrieving |
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| 07:56.39 | dcpc007 | when i look at the URl guiven : http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/s/sudo/sudo_1.8.5p2-1+nmu3+deb7u4.changelog it doesn't exist and looking into the folder i don't see the files for any package |
| 07:56.52 | dcpc007 | --> http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/s/sudo/ |
| 07:57.45 | celyr | I'm trying to join my debian machine to a domain using samba. |
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| 07:57.59 | celyr | wbinfo -u is showing all users but getent passwd is showing only local users |
| 07:58.09 | celyr | And I've added winbind to /etc/nssswitch.conf |
| 07:58.18 | celyr | any clue ? I'm pursuing this by two days now |
| 07:58.32 | celyr | I've already had an argument with samba guys |
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| 07:59.31 | celyr | dcpc007, use apt-listchanges |
| 07:59.59 | rjsalts | celyr: getent passwd? or getent passwd user? |
| 08:00.05 | dcpc007 | celyr: same with aptitude (i use a lot for daily insall / update) |
| 08:00.41 | celyr | rjsalts, well without user it should list them all |
| 08:01.01 | celyr | anyway if I do getnet passwd <user_of_the_domain> then I get not any putout |
| 08:01.04 | celyr | output* |
| 08:01.12 | rjsalts | celyr: remote sources of user information are often not enumerated when doing getent passwd |
| 08:01.38 | rjsalts | celyr: at least this is true of the sss daemon |
| 08:01.50 | rjsalts | celyr: unless you override the defaults |
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| 08:02.14 | celyr | rjsalts, well then I should be able to login with an user account |
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| 08:02.42 | rjsalts | celyr: or getent passwd $windowsuser |
| 08:02.42 | celyr | but it's not working :/ |
| 08:02.53 | celyr | rjsalts, empty output |
| 08:03.13 | rjsalts | celyr: because authentication will be done with pam presumably |
| 08:03.23 | celyr | true |
| 08:04.13 | rjsalts | celyr: I haven't messed with winbind myself though, just sss and libnss-ldap, etc. |
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| 08:04.47 | celyr | rjsalts, the point is that from now on I have no clue on how to go on, all the material that I've found (most on debian and samba itself) says that now I should be able to list the usrs |
| 08:04.49 | celyr | users* |
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| 08:05.13 | celyr | https://wiki.debian.org/AuthenticatingLinuxWithActiveDirectory |
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| 08:05.28 | celyr | I'm stuck at setup authentication |
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| 08:07.22 | marco25 | anyone know how to fix that Beignet: "Exec event 0x5619f8becfb0 error bug |
| 08:07.35 | celyr | wbinfo -u is working correctly tho |
| 08:07.36 | marco25 | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=860805 |
| 08:07.37 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/860805 in beignet-opencl-icd (closed): «beignet-opencl-icd: OpenCL fails with: drm_intel_gem_bo_context_exec() failed: Device or resource busy»; severity: serious; opened: 2017-04-20; last modified: 2017-06-11. |
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| 08:08.23 | rjsalts | celyr: you can do kinit/etc? |
| 08:08.38 | celyr | yes |
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| 08:09.06 | rjsalts | celyr: anything in auth log? |
| 08:09.09 | dcpc007 | still an error with apt-listchanges sudo (even after a apt-get download sudo) |
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| 08:10.07 | celyr | f word all day long |
| 08:10.10 | celyr | f word |
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| 08:10.31 | celyr | i was missing libnss-winbind |
| 08:10.36 | jelly | dcpc007, online changelogs sometimes lag behind |
| 08:10.57 | celyr | thanks rjsalts |
| 08:11.04 | dcpc007 | it's updates fromm last week |
| 08:11.25 | dcpc007 | and seems i have the same problem with all current pending securty updates |
| 08:11.47 | dcpc007 | even linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 08:13.32 | dcpc007 | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/updates/main/l/linux/linux_3.2.89-2/changelog and http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/l/linux/linux_3.2.89-2.changelog = 404 |
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| 08:15.34 | dcpc007 | i test a debian 8, same problem on samba-libs, but evince guive me the changelog |
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| 08:20.12 | dcpc007 | ha seems the changelog inside an archive (tar.xz), and this archive not always present ... |
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| 08:20.32 | dcpc007 | boring when i'm asked why must we apply the updates ... |
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| 08:51.31 | celyr | dcpc007, apt-listchanges |
| 08:51.54 | celyr | never gave me an error. |
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| 08:59.34 | john_rambo | I am using Debian9 XFCE... I have unchecked the "Save session for future logins" ...But when I login gkrellm flashes for a second then disappears |
| 08:59.38 | john_rambo | $ pgrep gkrellm 1063 |
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| 09:01.00 | dcpc007 | celyr: i have this on differents config ... i'll try at house without work config |
| 09:01.40 | dcpc007 | but i see the difference in the web repo ; when listchange works : the tar.xz is present, when error, this file is not present |
| 09:01.56 | dcpc007 | then don't think it's my servers or network config |
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| 09:53.16 | MCMic | Hello |
| 09:54.14 | MCMic | I seem to have lost graphic acceleration after update to stretch (I donât have compositing anymore). I have «Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller» |
| 09:54.46 | dsc_ | what application wants to do graphic acceleration in this case? |
| 09:54.53 | MCMic | plasma |
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| 09:59.44 | slax0r | hi, I ran an upgrade on a remote server, and got a conflict in a configuration file for a package, started a shell to inspect and merge the versions manually but lost the terminal in between, now the upgrade process is still running I guess, can I somehow continue with my work? |
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| 10:05.05 | slax0r | nvm, sigterm'd the process, rank dpkg --configure -a and picked up where I left of |
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| 10:23.05 | celyr | rjsalts, Now I'm fighting with Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info |
| 10:23.41 | celyr | rjsalts, If I enter the correct password it gives me this and I've already run pam-auth-update |
| 10:24.17 | celyr | I have this so deeply |
| 10:24.21 | celyr | hate* |
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| 10:31.17 | greg_universe | dentify droxy21 |
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| 10:34.13 | celyr | okay |
| 10:34.25 | celyr | I think I'll burn down the virtualization centre |
| 10:34.34 | celyr | this thing is not working damn |
| 10:34.40 | celyr | why does samba exists |
| 10:34.49 | celyr | pff I go to eat see you later |
| 10:34.54 | celyr | rants away |
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| 11:33.46 | forcerecon | I am getting failed to determine the codename for the release |
| 11:33.46 | forcerecon | not sure how to get past this one |
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| 11:38.17 | alexises | Hello, I try to configure sssd but I can't find how to disable ssl and starttls |
| 11:38.44 | alexises | depite the ldap_tls_reqcert = never and ldap_id_use_start_tls = false it seen to alway try to do starttls |
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| 11:43.52 | alexises | okey, I got in on a rh documentation. I can't do without TLS :'( |
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| 12:02.14 | forcerecon | how do you remove all the partitioning during the installer if each time you try it says its in use. I want to get the installer back to the begining of setting up the disks |
| 12:02.14 | forcerecon | what is the process of removing raid and starting over |
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| 12:09.37 | pvdp | Got some experience with that. I had raid + LVM. Remove lv & vg first. Then remove your raid arrays. Once that done just reset your partition table on each individual drive |
| 12:10.21 | pvdp | After that you can start again. |
| 12:11.13 | tremolo | Basically, start at the top and work your way down. |
| 12:12.13 | tremolo | or use dd to wipe the partition table and let the installer reinitialize the disks |
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| 12:13.24 | forcerecon | I am in ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 12:13.24 | forcerecon | what combination to switch back |
| 12:14.01 | tremolo | likely alt+f1 |
| 12:14.15 | spacebug^ | or alt+F6 |
| 12:14.18 | tremolo | although I guess the graphical installer (if that's what you have) might not be |
| 12:15.53 | rafalcpp | how popular is "getent" command? is it on all debian installs? should it be present in almost all linux installs? |
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| 12:18.04 | celyr | rafalcpp, on debian you are 99,99% sure that you have it since it's included in libc-bin |
| 12:18.13 | celyr | that is in the essential |
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| 12:18.35 | celyr | I'm saying 99,99% because nobody forbid you to do rm -f getent |
| 12:18.58 | celyr | but yeah, this is as far as it gets.. |
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| 12:19.05 | galex-713 | Hi |
| 12:19.09 | rafalcpp | ok. I see it's also on e.g. openbsd. So using getent groups instead grep ^name: should be a very compatible solution |
| 12:20.08 | galex-713 | If my thinkpad PC has a 3G modem where I did put my sim card (that I normally use for phonecalls and smses), and I install smstools, can I receive/send smses with my PC? smstools seems to contain only a daemon program, where can I download an interface? |
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| 12:27.55 | forcerecon | I guess I am just stupid.. the message says that changes have been written but it cannot inform the kernel and you should reboot now before making any more changes.. |
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| 12:28.17 | edi | hey, where's the interfact configured in debian9 ? just did a netinstall, manual config, but /etc/network/interfaces is empty :/ |
| 12:28.39 | forcerecon | then you have the option to IGNORE or Cancel |
| 12:28.39 | forcerecon | you would think their might be a REBOOT option in there |
| 12:28.39 | forcerecon | so what do you do? Cancel and then reboot? Ignore and then reboot or Just hit ctrl alt delete |
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| 12:31.00 | tremolo | forcerecon: It sounds like "ignore" ignores the issue and attempts to continue the installation, while "cancel" would cancel the installation. |
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| 12:32.43 | forcerecon | or does it cancel what was written? |
| 12:32.43 | forcerecon | yeah very unclear here |
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| 12:33.44 | forcerecon | hitting cancel does nothing except get you right back to the same message and ctrl alt del does nothing, continue does nothing.. |
| 12:33.44 | forcerecon | should I ignore and reboot |
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| 12:35.13 | edi | nevermind :) |
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| 12:43.55 | forcerecon | Is a volume group name important and what is an example of one |
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| 12:45.05 | tremolo | forcerecon: I usually use the hostname as the VG name. |
| 12:45.56 | forcerecon | http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article72/naming-vgs |
| 12:45.56 | forcerecon | I was thinking the same thing.. based on a user response. |
| 12:46.57 | forcerecon | thanks for information though |
| 12:47.00 | tremolo | I don't generally use other VGs for non-system filesystems, and that makes it easy to identify which machine the data came from. |
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| 13:00.12 | kjil | hallo |
| 13:00.28 | kjil | how change boot menu in jessy? |
| 13:00.31 | tuH | Hello :) I'm running my system through a VPN with a killswitch, and I plan to keep it that way. My issue now is that my vpn provider does not offer port forwarding, and I want to run a vsftpd server. Can I run a lxc container with a bridged network configuration so that it would be running without the VPN? Also, would that be safe, and can I make it access my user folder? |
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| 13:01.12 | forcerecon | setting up multiple drives in raid with lvm and encryption just to use the entire raid array as one drive is a real major pain in the ass.. |
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| 13:01.29 | forcerecon | this is silly.. ... already been two hours.. |
| 13:02.13 | forcerecon | not really learning anything either because I am just hacking my way through it.. |
| 13:02.14 | forcerecon | Where is a tutorial on creating the raid array during graphic install and using the entire drive |
| 13:02.17 | forcerecon | wow |
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| 13:04.14 | forcerecon | can I just install debian to the 500GB drive guided at first and then move the home folder to the other 6 TBs> later? Am I able to configure the other drives into one array later and move the home drive there? |
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| 13:05.44 | celyr | forcerecon, yes |
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| 13:05.54 | kjil | how change boot menu in jessy? |
| 13:06.05 | celyr | forcerecon, but also, usually / partition doesn't require encryption so |
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| 13:06.53 | celyr | kjil, can't answer, question not accurate enough |
| 13:07.15 | kjil | what not accurate? |
| 13:07.50 | celyr | I don't understand what change boot menu in jessy mean, that left aside that I guess that jessy is jessie |
| 13:07.58 | tremolo | I'm not familiar with the graphical installer, haven't used it. |
| 13:08.19 | kjil | boot menu wrong option |
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| 13:08.34 | kjil | i want change os that boots |
| 13:08.39 | kjil | by default |
| 13:08.44 | sypher | forcerecon: I'm jumping into this late. What is your requirement? |
| 13:08.54 | kjil | dualboot |
| 13:10.30 | celyr | kjil, what are you looking for is to edit /etc/default/grub |
| 13:10.41 | celyr | and or /etc/grub.d |
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| 13:11.10 | sypher | Most edits to grub should be done through /etc/default/grub. |
| 13:11.43 | kjil | ok what change there? |
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| 13:12.34 | forcerecon | sypher: installing debian on a small home server.. 1 500GB drive and 3 2TB drives.. Just want to encrypt with lvm and unitlize all the drives as one big drive with a seperate home drive.. |
| 13:12.40 | kjil | cannot see anything useful there |
| 13:12.46 | kjil | i need menu |
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| 13:13.24 | forcerecon | I might... big MIGHT have gotten it |
| 13:13.30 | forcerecon | it is finally installing the operating system.. so I think I figured out the puzzle of raid first and then encryption then going back to guided and this way the drive array exists blah blah blah.. |
| 13:13.36 | forcerecon | so.. let you know but thanks |
| 13:13.49 | celyr | kjil, use GRUB_DEFAULT = x to change the default entry |
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| 13:14.13 | kjil | celyr: it's 0 |
| 13:14.18 | celyr | Thanks |
| 13:14.22 | celyr | I've noted that |
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| 13:14.37 | celyr | now you can change it to what you like more |
| 13:14.39 | celyr | Idk |
| 13:14.39 | celyr | 2 |
| 13:14.40 | celyr | 5 |
| 13:14.42 | kjil | how i should change it |
| 13:14.51 | kjil | what 2? what 5? |
| 13:15.33 | kjil | i don't know what to put there |
| 13:15.39 | sysadmin5 | order of your menu |
| 13:15.42 | sysadmin5 | 0 is fist line |
| 13:15.44 | sysadmin5 | and so on |
| 13:15.49 | sysadmin5 | first* |
| 13:15.56 | sypher | forcerecon: Doing what you're trying to do is actually far easier with the manual partitioning option. |
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| 13:16.24 | kjil | great and where is menu? i have no idea what index is it |
| 13:16.26 | celyr | okay I got it, you are unable to do whatever without me poiting you exactly what you have to do, please paste your /boot/grub/grub.cfg on pastebin.debian.org so we can actually tell you the keys you have to type to solve this |
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| 13:16.50 | sysadmin5 | I guess you can find menu at /boot/grub2/grub.cfg |
| 13:17.03 | sysadmin5 | or restart your system and see :P |
| 13:17.08 | kjil | noone told that |
| 13:17.42 | kjil | there is no grub2 |
| 13:17.50 | sysadmin5 | ok just grub then, or EFI |
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| 13:17.56 | celyr | as I said it's /boot/grub/gub.cfg |
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| 13:18.08 | celyr | sorry |
| 13:18.12 | celyr | as I said it's /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 13:19.11 | kjil | there is some script inside |
| 13:19.23 | celyr | ok I'm going uppercase soon |
| 13:19.47 | celyr | ,paste |
| 13:20.04 | celyr | <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 13:21.00 | celyr | please paste that "script that you didn't even try to read" in one of those sites and give me a link so I can tell you the buttons you have to press |
| 13:22.27 | sypher | kjil: To be clear, we try to avoid spoonfeeding. It really would be better for you to learn how things work and what to change, rather than just asking for answers. |
| 13:22.50 | kjil | i asked for instructions |
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| 13:23.15 | sypher | kjil: What research have you done on your own on how to resolve whatever your issue is? |
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| 13:24.42 | kjil | ,nopaste |
| 13:25.22 | celyr | kjil, you asked for a brainless set of commands, we already gave you all the instructions like 50 lines ago. Now you are not even following what we asked you for so |
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| 13:26.38 | kjil | how can i copy that file from console? |
| 13:26.39 | sypher | kjil: We're not going to act like remote tech support. We're here to advise if your own research hits a roadblock. |
| 13:26.58 | celyr | kjil, console or terminal ? |
| 13:27.07 | kjil | terminal |
| 13:27.16 | celyr | what terminal ? |
| 13:27.34 | kjil | mate terminal |
| 13:27.53 | sypher | kjil: What is your root issue? |
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| 13:28.07 | kjil | dualboot boots wrong os |
| 13:28.18 | sypher | kjil: And what have you done to try to solve the issue? |
| 13:28.46 | forcerecon | sypher: you are correct especially when you know what drives you need to create like boot, tmp, var, user and root and home etc.. etc.. etc.. I have no idea what those folders are, how to encrpt them, if they need encryption, what size to make them, I will take my time on the next one as I have another idetical server to this one I am going to build I just needed this one up and running quickly and wow.... I understand that not everything |
| 13:28.47 | forcerecon | can be graphical , but a graphical installation should be graphical, point and click for the most part. but when it comes to drive manipulation it needs to be made visually simpler.. |
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| 13:29.20 | sypher | forcerecon: Actually, it's easier even if you don't know. Want to know more? :) |
| 13:29.50 | forcerecon | lol.. |
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| 13:30.35 | kjil | how can i copy that file from console? |
| 13:30.50 | sypher | kjil: Are you going to answer my question? |
| 13:31.43 | forcerecon | yeah I want to know more.. I think on the next one I will make video of the entire installation utilizing raid, lvm and encryption and then determining things.. if I may inquire after the video for you or someone to watch it, then tell me what to fix or change and then I can rerun it, make a video and maybe just have one nice representation of configuring debian on a raid array would be nice for others |
| 13:32.11 | aguitel | with libreoffice you can export some file to pdf , question : how to invert the process? |
| 13:32.16 | tremolo | That would be cool. |
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| 13:32.35 | sypher | forcerecon: The short version that I'll give you now: Put LVM on top of an encrypted volume, and you can just encrypt everything without needing to worry about what to encrypt and what not to. |
| 13:32.48 | kjil | dpkg nopaste |
| 13:32.48 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
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| 13:33.44 | forcerecon | sypher: and creating the array first, then encrypt, then lvm |
| 13:34.02 | sypher | forcerecon: Basically. |
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| 13:34.45 | forcerecon | It think the worst is if you need to back out... |
| 13:35.04 | forcerecon | then its like okay, get rid of the DM first and then delete partitions, and then, blah blah.. |
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| 13:35.46 | forcerecon | you do it enough times you finally get the hang of it.. but a nice video would have well.... been nice |
| 13:35.46 | forcerecon | just for reference |
| 13:35.46 | forcerecon | thanks guys |
| 13:36.17 | kjil | pastebinit says "bad api request invalid api_dev_key" |
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| 13:37.36 | celyr | kjil, just... select the text right click and copy |
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| 13:39.10 | celyr | kjil, are you sure you don't want to get rid of linux completely ? |
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| 13:42.24 | kjil | pasted in https://pastebin.com/3ernjfCr |
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| 13:43.40 | celyr | kjil, do you play heroes of the storm ? |
| 13:44.04 | kjil | no |
| 13:44.23 | celyr | nice |
| 13:45.02 | celyr | Don't even try it please, what you have to put on GRUB_DEFAULT is 'Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs (на /dev/sda1)' |
| 13:45.03 | celyr | or 4 |
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| 13:49.45 | kjil | doesn't work |
| 13:49.49 | kjil | i put 4 |
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| 13:50.00 | kjil | still selected the first |
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| 13:50.28 | kjil | even after grub-update |
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| 13:51.38 | sypher | One could conceivably Google (or whatever search engine) GRUB_DEFAULT to find how it works. |
| 13:51.46 | rocket_man | Hello all, I'm having a trouble with boot. I recently upgraded from Jessie to Stretch and my computer is taking ~30 seconds longer to boot each time (from ~15 seconds to ~45). Here is the output of dmesg: https://pastebin.com/DvFaLrft. Any help is appreciated. |
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| 13:53.03 | kjil | no matter what i put it still select the top entry |
| 13:53.52 | rocket_man | I'm thinking the problem is somewhere between these two lines: [ 2.966254] clocksource: Switched to clocksource tsc [ 34.600249] EXT4-fs (sda5): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) |
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| 13:56.54 | kjil | how to change default menu entry, in grub? |
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| 13:57.52 | sypher | kjil: What research have you done to try to solve the issue other than badgering people in this channel? |
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| 13:58.08 | celyr | kjil, https://www.google.it/search?q=GRUB_DEFAULT&oq=GRUB_DEFAULT&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.269j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 first row you don't even need to scroll |
| 13:58.22 | sypher | kjil: And ignoring everyone who isn't blatantly doing this for you is not winning you any points. |
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| 13:58.38 | petn-randall | rocket_man: The kernel output is irrelevant. You probably have a service that is trying to start and times out. Can you share the output of 'systemd-analyze critical-chain' to http://paste.debian.net? |
| 13:58.51 | kjil | i changed it, doesn't work |
| 13:58.57 | rocket_man | sure, one sec |
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| 13:59.10 | sypher | petn-randall: Writing that one down... |
| 13:59.20 | boser | Xcuse, where can i report a bug in debian-jessie? |
| 13:59.26 | sypher | kjil: That's not research. |
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| 13:59.49 | sypher | kjil: Learn how GRUB configuration works, and this task will become a simple one. |
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| 14:01.06 | rocket_man | blame + critical-chain: https://pastebin.com/PSa0V43V |
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| 14:01.31 | rocket_man | found this line: 30.286s NetworkManager-wait-online.service |
| 14:01.37 | kjil | why does it not work? |
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| 14:02.25 | sypher | kjil: Because you're blindly making changes without understanding what you're doing. |
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| 14:04.12 | kjil | why GRUB_DEFAULT does not work? |
| 14:04.13 | rocket_man | I'm going to try `systemctrl disable NetworkManager-wait-online.service`, will that hurt anything important? |
| 14:04.29 | rafalcpp | that strategy can work, if kjil wold breed often, select partners depending on results of their efforts on this topic, and sometime mutate |
| 14:04.40 | Bermuda | ugh |
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| 14:04.49 | Bermuda | wat is a dirty bit |
| 14:04.51 | Bermuda | lol |
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| 14:05.27 | rocket_man | Bermuda - it's a notice to the OS that it wasn't shutdown cleanly |
| 14:05.37 | Bermuda | yeah |
| 14:05.43 | rocket_man | ex if you pull the plug |
| 14:05.46 | petn-randall | !doesnt work |
| 14:05.47 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 14:06.12 | boser | !bug |
| 14:06.12 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 14:06.12 | kjil | grub still select the first entry |
| 14:06.21 | Bermuda | is there a way to install flash on 9.0.1 |
| 14:06.30 | petn-randall | boser: Use the 'reportbug' tool. You might have to install it first. |
| 14:06.30 | kjil | i set grub_default and ran update-grub |
| 14:06.55 | rocket_man | ok see you guys soon, doing a reboo |
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| 14:07.39 | boser | petn-randall: thx. |
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| 14:10.17 | kjil | so you give advices that do not work |
| 14:10.20 | forcerecon | well... I am now in grub rescue |
| 14:10.20 | forcerecon | I have typed ls |
| 14:10.24 | forcerecon | I am then checking each drive |
| 14:10.35 | kjil | and insult me |
| 14:10.48 | Bermuda | lol |
| 14:11.21 | forcerecon | but nothing is saying ext2.. all state Filesystem is unknown |
| 14:11.21 | forcerecon | what can I do now |
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| 14:12.26 | forcerecon | when you ls it comes back with hd0 hd1 hd2 hd3 etc.. when you check each one should you include the brackets like ls (hd0) |
| 14:12.36 | rocket_man | hello everyone, was just here. My boot problem didn't go away :/ |
| 14:13.09 | rocket_man | going to make a stackoverflow post so it's easier to read |
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| 14:13.11 | tuH | What is the preffered way to share files on your debian between other devices on the network? Laptop/tablets/smartphone etc? |
| 14:13.16 | celyr | kjil, we are not insulting you, we are helping you to find the solution even if you have a very bad attitude. We are not paid, we are not certified, we are a community |
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| 14:13.49 | celyr | kjil, if you try to help each other to SEEK solutions, so I give you all the hints I could the YOU HAVE TO FIND YOURSELF A SOLUTION WORKING FOR YOU |
| 14:14.02 | tremolo | tuH: I mostly use rsync. |
| 14:14.03 | sypher | kjil: There is a critical difference between helping you solve your problems, and doing the work for you. You've been asking for the latter. |
| 14:14.04 | kjil | you google random answers that does not work? |
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| 14:16.16 | sypher | tuH: There are a number of options. Do you have more specific requirements? |
| 14:16.46 | celyr | kjil, if you are not satisfied with the quality of the answers feel free to drop a ticket to debhelper |
| 14:16.53 | dury | hi there channel :-) |
| 14:17.20 | tuH | sypher, preferably easy to set up for new devices, so that I can upload files to and from friends devices for example without too much effort, and secure. |
| 14:17.39 | sypher | tuH: What client platforms are you trying to plan for? Mobile devices like phones and tablets could use NextCloud, where laptops/desktops might use samba. |
| 14:18.06 | tuH | sypher, mostly android around my house |
| 14:18.20 | sypher | tuH: Check out NextCloud. There's an Android app. It's kinda like a self-hosted Dropbox. |
| 14:18.31 | th0r | tuH, I use samba. In android a file manager like Total Commander can make samba almost transparent |
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| 14:18.47 | petn-randall | kjil: What did you change it to, and what are the contents of /boot/grub/grub.cfg? You can paste it to http://paste.debian.net. |
| 14:19.42 | dury | is there a chance or is it possible to install make-jpkg package |
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| 14:20.14 | tuH | Alright, I have some options to review now :) Rsync, nextcloud, and samba :) Thank you |
| 14:20.37 | dury | make-jpkg package |
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| 14:20.37 | forcerecon | filesystem is unknown for all drives.. suggestions welcome |
| 14:20.58 | kjil | petn-randall: to GRUB_DEFAULT=4 |
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| 14:21.45 | rocket_man | Alright I'm back: my computer is staying on a blank screen for half a minute at boot. Details here: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/379052/taking-30-seconds-longer-to-boot-after-upgrade-from-jessie-to-stretch. Any help appreciated. |
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| 14:22.21 | dury | java-package how do I install it? |
| 14:22.47 | dury | https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/java-package/make-jpkg.1.en.html how? |
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| 14:23.22 | dury | petn-randall, available? |
| 14:24.12 | dury | petn-randall, available? |
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| 14:24.12 | greycat | Stop that. |
| 14:24.16 | dury | me greycat? |
| 14:24.19 | greycat | Yes, YOU. |
| 14:24.49 | dury | sorry!! |
| 14:24.49 | greycat | Use /whois to see whether he's idle. Use /msg to contact him privately. |
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| 14:25.55 | dury | sorry, greycat |
| 14:25.55 | forcerecon | what command can you write at grub rescue to force a boot |
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| 14:26.10 | greycat | !ifrp |
| 14:26.10 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 14:27.10 | rocket_man | ooh nice |
| 14:27.10 | rocket_man | is there a list of dpkg commands? |
| 14:27.10 | dury | !make-jpkg |
| 14:27.10 | dpkg | java-package (formerly mpkg-j2se, j2se-package) provides the make-jpkg utility for creating Debian packages from manually downloaded <Java> distributions; Oracle Java 6 (update >= 10) and Oracle Java 7 are currently supported. java-package is available for Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems in <contrib>. http://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage . Where possible, use <OpenJDK> instead, ask me about <install java>. |
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| 14:27.18 | greycat | rocket_man: /msg dpkg factoids |
| 14:27.47 | rocket_man | awesome ty |
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| 14:31.38 | forcerecon | greycat: I am at grub rescue> there is no |
| 14:31.38 | forcerecon | e option |
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| 14:31.38 | celyr | kjil, have you tried 3 ? |
| 14:32.05 | forcerecon | ls not indicating any drive filesystem is not known.. |
| 14:32.05 | forcerecon | kinda stuck here. |
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| 14:32.33 | kjil | yes, no result |
| 14:33.51 | dury | greycat, can "make-jpkg package" be installed by repository? |
| 14:33.51 | greycat | WHAT HAPPENED when you ran "apt-get install java-package" |
| 14:35.31 | dury | one sec. |
| 14:35.31 | greycat | ... he didn't even try. :( |
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| 14:36.23 | Bermuda | is there a flash option for 9.0.1 |
| 14:36.31 | greycat | Just use upstream (adobe.com) |
| 14:37.07 | greycat | Get the .tar.gz version, extract it, copy the libflashplayer.so file into ~/.mozilla/plugins/ for Firefox. |
| 14:38.06 | dury | it does install that package, but I don't if "make-jpkg" is included |
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| 14:38.32 | greycat | You don't know? Is that the word you left out? |
| 14:38.37 | Bermuda | got a link greycat? |
| 14:38.44 | greycat | http://www.adobe.com/ |
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| 14:40.29 | Bermuda | search doesnt find a product called upstream |
| 14:40.29 | greycat | !upstream |
| 14:40.29 | dpkg | hmm... upstream is where Debian developers download software from. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/developer-duties#upstream-coordination |
| 14:40.29 | greycat | Upstream IS Adobe. |
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| 14:41.40 | greycat | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upstream_(software_development) |
| 14:42.48 | rocket_man | lol |
| 14:42.49 | prussian | as far as I know, adobe recommends pepperflash for chrom* if you want any semblance of a modern flashplayer that likely isn't a security nightmare |
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| 14:43.05 | prussian | on GNU/Linux |
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| 14:43.17 | greycat | Are you on chromium? I don't know where to place the flashplayer for chromium. |
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| 14:43.47 | greycat | I just use google-chrome which has it built in. |
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| 14:44.00 | Bermuda | well theres no .mozilla/plugins to put a tarball in |
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| 14:44.17 | Bermuda | i'm looking for the pepper flash package |
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| 14:45.31 | greycat | I tried. |
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| 14:46.12 | celyr | kjil, well maybe I missed something in your grun conf |
| 14:46.51 | celyr | grub* |
| 14:46.51 | celyr | anyway you are on the right switch |
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| 14:46.51 | celyr | use the id |
| 14:47.43 | Bermuda | is there a keyboard shortcut for new terminal |
| 14:47.53 | greycat | That's up to your window manager. |
| 14:47.58 | celyr | Bermuda, higly dependant on your De |
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| 14:49.39 | kjil | with text it works |
| 14:50.13 | Bermuda | agh this install has a bug in the passwording |
| 14:50.21 | kjil | stupid os |
| 14:50.40 | greycat | Lemme guess. You installed from a Live CD, version 9.0.1. |
| 14:50.56 | Bermuda | yeah im gonnna install the testing vers again |
| 14:51.02 | Bermuda | or should i netinst |
| 14:51.02 | greycat | Live CD installations are broken. |
| 14:51.17 | greycat | 9.0.1 specifically fails to set the root password. Boot from rescue media or follow the !ifrp instructions. |
| 14:51.49 | Bermuda | ill just install buster |
| 14:51.49 | Bermuda | it worked |
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| 14:53.48 | Bermuda | or should i get a stretch netinst |
| 14:54.11 | Bermuda | i forget which packages are available |
| 14:54.28 | greycat | If you've already installed stretch from a live CD and all that's broken is the root password, just reset the password and you should be done. |
| 14:54.28 | Bermuda | buster had gnash that didnt work |
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| 14:58.30 | nvz | how should I set "echo -n 1 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/sunxi_usb_udc/otg_role" on boot in stretch? Can this be done in udev or what? |
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| 14:59.32 | shtrb | nvz , you can setup that as a rule (when plugged in ) |
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| 15:00.03 | nvz | perhaps I should setup a service script and let systemd handle it? |
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| 15:00.07 | shtrb | RUN=... option in udev |
| 15:00.17 | shtrb | nvz , systemd is evil |
| 15:00.30 | nvz | yes I tend to agree but I'm trying to learn to live with it |
| 15:01.19 | shtrb | why not good old udev rule ? |
| 15:01.19 | nvz | otg_role 1 turns my otg into a host port, which I am going to use for my keyboard so it needs to be active at boot |
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| 15:08.07 | cybrNaut | the installer *forced* me to encrypt the swap partition. Now I have to enter a password for the swap partition in addition to the root (/) partition |
| 15:08.36 | cybrNaut | any practical way to fix that? |
| 15:08.36 | greycat | I've installed Debian many a time, and not once has the installer forced me to encrypt something. |
| 15:08.43 | cybrNaut | using key-based auth worked on all the non-root partitions, except the swap |
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| 15:09.05 | shtrb | put the key in a file ? |
| 15:09.05 | shtrb | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.24 | cybrNaut | shtrb: that's what I did, but i think the swap is needed before the key is accessed |
| 15:09.29 | greycat | Delete and re-create the swap partition without encryption? |
| 15:09.57 | greycat | (Well, not exactly "delete" -- just overwrite it with mkswap, right?) |
| 15:09.58 | cybrNaut | greycat: ah yes, that's in fact what I did for the last release.. maybe i'll do that again |
| 15:10.20 | shtrb | cyberNaut , unmount , remove from crypttab and recreate |
| 15:10.27 | shtrb | you must remove it manually (it will not vanish by itself from the file) |
| 15:11.03 | greycat | "delete a line from a file" sounds right |
| 15:11.19 | greycat | and s/unmount/swapoff/ |
| 15:12.30 | cybrNaut | i think i found the problem.. the crypttab doesn't have a like for the swap |
| 15:12.56 | cybrNaut | s/like/line/ |
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| 15:14.01 | shtrb | in that case you have even bigger problem (something tried to do luksOpen ) |
| 15:14.39 | shtrb | you should have one line in fstab and another one in crypttab |
| 15:15.19 | cybrNaut | there is an fstab line for swap, but not one in crypttab |
| 15:15.30 | cybrNaut | oh, shit, sorry.. |
| 15:15.47 | cybrNaut | i just realized I was looking at the wrong system (a system where the swap is in fact unencryptoed) |
| 15:15.48 | shtrb | what did you do ? |
| 15:16.18 | cybrNaut | swap probably is in the crypttab then.. it's a fresh install |
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| 15:17.03 | shtrb | is your disk encrypted ? (lvm , every single parttion etc) |
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| 15:17.42 | cybrNaut | it's an FDE. On top of that, every lvm partition is encrypted apart from /boot, which cannot be encryptoed |
| 15:18.14 | cybrNaut | so hardware and software crypto are in play |
| 15:18.20 | shtrb | if that is FDE (I hope for you it's not hardware option) |
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| 15:19.19 | cybrNaut | it's an OPAL drive, to be precise |
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| 15:19.54 | cybrNaut | which means the drive is encrypted inherently, and there's no way not to use h/w crypto.. no way to turn it off |
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| 15:21.04 | cybrNaut | shuldn't matter though.. the software crypto doesn't even know or need to know that h/w crypto is in action |
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| 15:22.45 | dury | hi there again channel :-) |
| 15:22.48 | zamuro | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.59 | cybrNaut | to be clear, is an unencrypted swap the only option here? |
| 15:23.12 | shtrb | cybrNaut , no , you can put a key to auto load |
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| 15:24.00 | cybrNaut | shtrb: i think that's what I did.. I had 4 passwords to enter upon bootup. now I have two. I'm not sure why swap is not using the key to unlock |
| 15:24.15 | shtrb | myswap /dev/xxx /root/key luks |
| 15:24.19 | cybrNaut | maybe i overlooked something |
| 15:24.22 | shtrb | if you had to enter password it was not read |
| 15:24.34 | dury | thanks for your help and to be patient with me too. did install successfully java-package and make-jpkg |
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| 15:24.55 | cybrNaut | i was thinking that maybe the swap is being needed before the key is sought (a kind of race-condition) |
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| 15:25.31 | cybrNaut | anyway, I'll make sure "myswap /dev/xxx /root/key luks" is in crypttab next time I'm working on it |
| 15:26.04 | shtrb | s/myswap/thenameyouused/g |
| 15:26.04 | cybrNaut | right |
| 15:26.13 | cybrNaut | in fact "luks" is probably the only literal on that line |
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| 15:26.18 | dury | greycat, thanks indeed to be patient... really appreciate it |
| 15:26.51 | shtrb | cybrNaut , sorry the other option is swap sw not luks :-( |
| 15:28.15 | shtrb | wrong again :-( swap,luks I need coffee |
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| 15:28.15 | cybrNaut | hmm.. maybe that's my problem. going from memory, I think "luks" was at the end of every line in crypttab |
| 15:28.15 | shtrb | yes I was wrong twice |
| 15:28.15 | cybrNaut | oh, may be correct then |
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| 15:28.15 | cybrNaut | i'll focus on it, anyway |
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| 15:33.56 | charking | hello. How can you type a Greek alpha on a standard US keyboard? I don't see a compose sequence to produce it. |
| 15:34.32 | dury | bbl |
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| 15:36.52 | ksk | charking: arent sequences for ascii chars only? |
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| 15:38.42 | greycat | ksk: absolutely not. See /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose (or your locale's analogy) |
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| 15:38.57 | charking | ksk: I don't think so, you can produce many Unicode characters. |
| 15:39.01 | charking | greycat: thanks |
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| 15:39.16 | greycat | Unfortunately this file seems to assume that I can actually *press* a key named <Greek_alpha> and is using that in sequences to generate modified alphas. :-/ |
| 15:40.00 | greycat | https://newton.cx/~peter/2013/04/typing-greek-letters-easily-on-linux/ suggests making your own modified Compose file |
| 15:40.20 | charking | greycat: Same... Guess I can switch to a Greek keyboard layout temporarily to type the alpha |
| 15:40.44 | charking | greycat: cool, thanks |
| 15:40.44 | greycat | I'd rather paste one out of a web page than switch kb layouts. |
| 15:41.36 | shtrb | charking , use perl/bash/whatever to print the needed letter |
| 15:42.06 | greycat | I never understood why the greek alphabet isn't included in the default Compose files. It's *super* common in math/science. |
| 15:42.38 | charking | greycat: that's why I need it |
| 15:42.52 | charking | LibreOffice has a nice character browser, too, at least |
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| 15:45.28 | greycat | Hmm, there is also an XCompose(5) man apge. |
| 15:45.54 | greycat | Oh nice, it has "include". |
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| 15:47.12 | greycat | So in theory you should be able to put your own custom things in ~/.XCompose and put include "/usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose" in it to get the rest. |
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| 15:52.26 | greycat | Ah, actually the man page suggests include "%L" |
| 15:54.33 | greycat | Nifty. And it's auto-loaded by each X11 client program (e.g. urxvt) without having to run any sekrit commands. |
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| 16:04.08 | vizulise | Question about Debian, when installing, you can load additional modules from the USB, right? Is there a module for setting Static Ip? |
| 16:04.59 | sypher | vizulise: Just cancel the DHCP process and you'll get the option to do so. |
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| 16:05.29 | ttyX | I'm getting subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 when trying to uninstall a package on stretch |
| 16:05.49 | ttyX | what could be causing this? |
| 16:06.14 | mertyildiran | Hi, is stdeb the best option for Debian packaging (Python)? If so then how can I include (or where to put) Debian control file? Documentation of stdeb is quite confusing... |
| 16:06.20 | vizulise | When I follow the normal install steps, it just automatically goes through DHCP |
| 16:06.29 | sypher | vizulise: I know. There's a cancel button. |
| 16:06.41 | vizulise | Not "Go Back"? |
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| 16:07.03 | sypher | vizulise: Watch the install process. When it's trying to get a DHCP lease, there's a progress bar with a Cancel button. |
| 16:07.57 | vizulise | Okay, thanks. Only reason I am wanting to set a static IP btw is because I have been getting this weird error; "Bad Archive Mirror" where I can't seem to connect to any mirrors. Did some research and they said set static IP |
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| 16:09.02 | vizulise | Have you had this happen before? |
| 16:09.06 | sypher | Nope. |
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| 16:11.52 | vizulise | It's happened on two different PCs of mine, so I suspect it is an issue with my router config |
| 16:12.37 | sypher | vizulise: Is your router correctly handing out gateway and DNS data? |
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| 16:14.36 | vizulise | I wouldn't know how to check :/ |
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| 16:15.23 | ic_bytes | hello friends. |
| 16:15.26 | ic_bytes | All right ? |
| 16:16.24 | nast | hi guys, i've been fixing stupid problem: postgresql wouldn't start, complained about permission denied FATAL: could not load server certificate file "/etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem": Permission denied. First thing i checked permissions and no success, same thing. After I added mysql user to ssl-cert group it would almost start. But here's another problem: how do I find root cause systemd starts |
| 16:16.24 | nast | postgres with wrong user(mysql in my case)? |
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| 16:17.46 | th0r | vizulise, check the gateway with the command 'sudo route -n'. You should see a Destination of 0.0.0.0 and it should have a gateway address that is your router address |
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| 16:18.22 | ic_bytes | what is the proper way to flag all my gnome3 stuff as "not pull it back in again".... ? Because I replaced my gnome3 with mate... and on the next upgrade/update I want to keep that mate stuff .... |
| 16:18.44 | th0r | vizulise, your dns addresses should show up in /etc/resolv.conf. |
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| 16:19.01 | greycat | dpkg, compose sequences =~ s#http://www.hermit.org/Linux/ComposeKeys.html#https://wiki.debian.org/XCompose# |
| 16:19.02 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
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| 16:21.16 | Bsadowski1 | so I installed Debian 9.0.1 using the graphical installer in a virtual machine and now there is no HD activity with the vhd.. hmm |
| 16:21.39 | Bsadowski1 | It had restarted because of the installation |
| 16:21.58 | Bsadowski1 | Oh I see. It shows now. Is it known there is a slight delay? |
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| 16:24.32 | vizulise | Thank you th0r |
| 16:24.43 | vizulise | So I can just do that with TTY? |
| 16:25.04 | vizulise | Or should I use the shell within the installer? |
| 16:25.15 | th0r | vizulise, you can do it on tty |
| 16:25.36 | th0r | vizulise, are you running a desktop environment or a server? |
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| 16:25.45 | vizulise | th0r, de |
| 16:25.51 | rocket_man | !dns 4.2.2.2 |
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| 16:27.38 | th0r | vizulise, a terminal will work fine in the desktop environment. |
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| 16:29.18 | tempate | Hey. How can I configure a shared directory in debian, so that changes in the directory are automatically updated? |
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| 16:29.52 | shtrb | tempate , shaed between what ? |
| 16:30.03 | shtrb | hard links ? |
| 16:30.22 | tempate | hm, I guess |
| 16:30.47 | tempate | I want to have a directory in Documents that automatically updates the changes of an other directory in Downloads, for example |
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| 16:32.04 | th0r | tempate, why not just have one directory, Documents, and then create a link to it called Downloads? |
| 16:34.42 | tempate | I didn't know that was an option |
| 16:34.42 | th0r | tempate, unless you actually need two copies of everything, that will accomplish what you want |
| 16:34.42 | tempate | what I really want is to have a directory in /var/www while I edit it somewhere else |
| 16:34.42 | tempate | would that do the trick? |
| 16:34.42 | shtrb | symbolic link to the rescue |
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| 16:34.42 | tempate | symbolic link it is, thanks |
| 16:34.50 | th0r | tempate, ownership might be a problem, so it might take a bit of figuring out. I have a lot of scripts in ~/bin so I can edit them, then shortcuts in /usr/local/bin so they can be used |
| 16:35.17 | tempate | I see, let me give it a try |
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| 16:36.14 | th0r | tempate, it might be easier to define a different directory for the web server |
| 16:36.48 | tempate | probably |
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| 16:37.16 | Golosita_ | Hello |
| 16:37.16 | rubin110 | Smartd started email email about a drive failing 2 weeks ago. I've since then replaced the drive, however smartd is still emailing me about the phantom drive every day. Where can I tell smartd that the drive no longer exists? |
| 16:37.16 | Golosita_ | Hello help me please now http://shink.in/ZG3XS |
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| 16:42.04 | forcerecon | what are we using for bootable usb unebooting |
| 16:42.04 | forcerecon | UNetBooting |
| 16:42.12 | cheapie | dd, usually. |
| 16:42.15 | tremolo | forcerecon: I use dd to write the image to a flash disk. |
| 16:42.44 | tempate | that's funny. It worked, but now I don't have access to the folders inside the directory... |
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| 16:43.58 | forcerecon | tremolo: you seem to be very very very familiar with linux.. I am not.. I need the most easy way to create a grub repair disk from debian |
| 16:44.09 | forcerecon | I am still in that visual mode |
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| 16:45.06 | forcerecon | working on text.. but still visual |
| 16:45.06 | forcerecon | grub is not working for my server and I am trying all I can to get it right. |
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| 16:45.23 | th0r | tempate, that's those ownership issues |
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| 16:45.36 | tremolo | I'm not sure what visual mode you mean. Are you in the installer? |
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| 16:46.19 | jhutchins_wk | tempate: DocumentRoot doesn't have to be in /var/www - when I ran a multi-client webserver I put the client's site in their home tree. |
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| 16:46.48 | cybrNaut | shtrb: my crypttab is correct.. it has "swap yada yada luks,swap" |
| 16:46.53 | forcerecon | I am on another debian machine.. want to create a bootable usb with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair |
| 16:46.59 | cybrNaut | yet I'm still forced to enter a password for the swap partition |
| 16:47.01 | forcerecon | how can I do this the easiest way |
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| 16:47.18 | shtrb | cyberNaut it's swap,luks not the other way order |
| 16:47.25 | shtrb | *around |
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| 16:50.02 | tempate | jhutchins_wk: yes, that's what I have ended up doing |
| 16:50.10 | tempate | thank you both th0r and jhutchins_wk |
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| 16:55.50 | tremolo | Good question. That's the first I've heard of boot-repair. |
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| 16:56.12 | forcerecon | any way to get debian to list in the righ click burn to drive if it is an iso.. rather then having to open installed brasero manually and step by step |
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| 16:57.18 | cybrNaut | shtrb: really? order matters? sounds bizarre to me. I didn't choose that order, that was auto-generated. So if it's the wrong order, there's a bug in the installer |
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| 16:57.57 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: Are you repairing an ubuntu installtion, or are you going to try to fix a debian box with that? |
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| 16:58.00 | cybrNaut | all I did was edit crypttab and replaced "none" with the key filename |
| 16:58.05 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: What DE are you running? |
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| 16:58.55 | tremolo | I guess you'd want to start with one of these: https://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/files/ |
| 17:00.06 | forcerecon | I am trying to get a home server with 4 drives in it to run.. I have created the raid array.. I have installed the os... I have ended up with a grub recovery |
| 17:00.16 | forcerecon | I am now working on grub recovery since I cannot figure out other options |
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| 17:00.38 | jhutchins_wk | !fixgrub |
| 17:00.38 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 17:01.07 | forcerecon | I have scanned the internet, ready page after page of potential fixes.. I am just not fluent enough to command line it |
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| 17:01.46 | shtrb | cybrNaut , that was the order at my side |
| 17:02.08 | forcerecon | I am now trying another option |
| 17:02.20 | forcerecon | just burt the iso and now I am going to try and do a boot repair |
| 17:03.30 | greycat | So you came here just to ignore the answers we give. |
| 17:03.30 | cybrNaut | shtrb: oh, well, i don't think order matters.. yours must've just been generated differently. I'll do the transpose next chance I get, but I doubt it will matter |
| 17:03.30 | forcerecon | jhutchins_wk: thanks for the information but makes no sense to me atm |
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| 17:04.10 | forcerecon | after pulling usb cd rom from server and burning iso for boot repair then putting it back on the server now the server cannot recognize the usb devices.. |
| 17:04.19 | shtrb | cybrNaut , maybe trying to work with UUID and making sure the path to the key is avalibale when you unblock ? |
| 17:04.19 | forcerecon | how many years does it take to work with linux fluently.. my god.. |
| 17:04.53 | greycat | For you, one trillion. |
| 17:05.03 | shtrb | forcerecon , an inifinty , every few years we get a revloution (c.f. systemd) |
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| 17:05.30 | forcerecon | since no usb recognition since pull still at grub recovery |
| 17:05.30 | cybrNaut | shtrb: UUIDs were already in there, and probably correct since the other volumes use the key okay. The path to the key is the same for all the keys I have in there, and the others work |
| 17:05.30 | forcerecon | thank god got coke zero |
| 17:06.48 | cybrNaut | shtrb: in any case, i appreciate your help so far |
| 17:06.48 | forcerecon | I AM going to restart from scratch.. my problem started when it ASKED me where to boot from and showed me 5 drive options.. I picked sda but FAIL |
| 17:06.48 | forcerecon | i tried LS |
| 17:06.48 | cybrNaut | shtrb: i wonder if I forgot to use the luks command for the swap. I vaguely recall a step where I had to do "addlukskey" or something like that |
| 17:06.57 | shtrb | if addkey worked it should be luks already |
| 17:06.57 | cybrNaut | that step was separate from the crypttab setup |
| 17:06.59 | greycat | GRUB should be installed to the disk that your computer's firmware (BIOS or UEFI) is going to try to boot. |
| 17:07.14 | forcerecon | no drive has ext2 but I could swear it would be ext4 |
| 17:07.25 | forcerecon | now I have no idea how to figure out where the boot drive is since it only gives you like 30 alphanumeric drive option and does not say anything more |
| 17:07.29 | forcerecon | what a nightmare |
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| 17:08.21 | forcerecon | greycat: no uefi.. older home server 3 2tb drives and and a 500GB.. configured as raid 0 lvm with encryption and just trying to get it installed on the one drice |
| 17:08.22 | forcerecon | it installed.. boot did not work |
| 17:08.32 | forcerecon | my lack of knowlege is a real let down |
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| 17:09.16 | forcerecon | I know if someone was sitting here they would figure it out in 4 seconds |
| 17:09.19 | greycat | You know how long I've been using Debian? You know how many times I've installed it? Do you know how many of those times I have done ANY kind of encryption during the install? Zero. None. Never. |
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| 17:09.31 | shtrb | cybNaut , you have the swap in fstab correct ? |
| 17:09.53 | cybrNaut | shtrb: that's right |
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| 17:10.17 | forcerecon | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-from-scratch-13/grub-rescue-commands-are-unix-788714/ |
| 17:10.17 | forcerecon | https://www.lisenet.com/2014/grub2-rescue-mode-error-unknown-filesystem/ |
| 17:10.17 | forcerecon | https://askubuntu.com/questions/493826/grub-rescue-problem-after-deleting-ubuntu-partition |
| 17:10.17 | forcerecon | I have read 50 things.. still cannot figure it out |
| 17:10.18 | shtrb | greycat , I think that option exist in d-i (optionally) |
| 17:10.46 | greycat | I know it does, but that doesn't mean you should use it. |
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| 17:11.34 | forcerecon | greycat: if I don't try I won't know.. I won't learn and then you guys pick on me.. I want to learn this properly.. I want to figure it out.. I just need some help from time to time.. |
| 17:11.52 | shtrb | greycat , encryption is a fun thing to do |
| 17:11.52 | cybrNaut | shtrb: I had to run luksAddKey on a few partitions, so my best theory atm is that I overlooked running that for the swap. guess i'll run it again just to make sure |
| 17:11.52 | greycat | forcerecon: is it fun? |
| 17:12.22 | forcerecon | ls any drive say unknown filesystem.. I need to learn this |
| 17:12.22 | forcerecon | yeah of course.. but I just don't know what I am missing |
| 17:12.22 | forcerecon | I have been at this since 7 am |
| 17:12.22 | forcerecon | is 115 |
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| 17:13.12 | greycat | Bearing in mind that I have *NEVER* done this, my understanding if you want to encrypt stuff is you still need /boot to be UNencrypted, on the boot disk(s) that the BIOS/firmware is going to boot from. |
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| 17:13.20 | forcerecon | I am going to restart.. I need to figure out how to create the array with all the drives and then just have the machine use the entire drive for debian |
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| 17:13.25 | greycat | GRUB on the boot disk reads /boot which contains the kernel. Kernel runs, reads configs from an initramfs (also on /boot) and does Magic. |
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| 17:14.55 | forcerecon | I am going to forego the encryption.. should I install lVM |
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| 17:14.55 | greycat | For a server, yeah, LVM is good. |
| 17:14.55 | forcerecon | I really think when it asked where to install GRUB that I chose the wrong drive.. or maybe I chose the right one SDA but it is not the first drive to startup.. |
| 17:15.21 | forcerecon | maybe grub needs installation on all drives |
| 17:15.21 | forcerecon | I am just not familiar enough with servers and raids to make good decisions yet.. getthing there .. learning.. |
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| 17:15.29 | forcerecon | just wish I had something to follow |
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| 17:16.33 | forcerecon | restarting only brings in another loop where I have to figure out how to delete the array and the data and the lvm and the encrytption and then create the array and then install the OS on the entire drive etc.. |
| 17:16.33 | forcerecon | I am going to get this |
| 17:16.33 | forcerecon | I swear |
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| 17:18.24 | forcerecon | problem now is that USB controllers are not initializing |
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| 17:18.48 | Violinist | thats not a problem |
| 17:18.54 | Violinist | its a mirracle |
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| 17:20.57 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: Perhaps too many variables at once. How about just RAID, without encryption or LVM? |
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| 17:21.28 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: As a last resort, you could install a boot drive. |
| 17:22.01 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: I have heard of installing grubs on all of the RAID devices, but I think that's mainly in case of the primary drive failing. |
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| 17:22.39 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: Is this hardware raid with a real controller, or software raid? |
| 17:23.30 | forcerecon | software raid.. but unless i get the usb working I cannot even reinstall anything |
| 17:23.30 | forcerecon | I am now once again after usb fail at grub recovery |
| 17:23.33 | forcerecon | any way from here to wipe the entire machine |
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| 17:24.06 | greycat | I don't think anyone here (including you) knows WHERE YOU ACTUALLY ARE. |
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| 17:24.33 | forcerecon | not even sure what to do at this point.. machine off.. replug., debian dvd in.. initialize.. grub recovery.. it feels like a brick |
| 17:24.51 | greycat | Is it booting from the DVD, or from one of your hard drives? |
| 17:25.41 | forcerecon | it goes through post and then grub recovery ... cd is USB |
| 17:26.12 | greycat | So that's an "I don't know" |
| 17:26.12 | greycat | Find the computer's boot menu, and make it boot from the DVD. |
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| 17:26.36 | forcerecon | this is a headless server with a connector that allows me to use a mouse, keyboard and monitor with it.. been working for last 4 days.. just fine.. I can see everything going on.. |
| 17:26.36 | forcerecon | but at this point.. boots, post, grub recovery |
| 17:26.52 | forcerecon | the dvd is USB and USB is not initializing |
| 17:27.18 | greycat | Borrow a graphics card, put a clucking MONITOR on it. |
| 17:27.26 | greycat | So you can GO INTO THE CLUCKING BIOS |
| 17:27.34 | forcerecon | so, bios shows NO usb |
| 17:27.34 | forcerecon | therefore no DVD |
| 17:27.34 | forcerecon | what is the command for grub recovery to add grub to each drive.. |
| 17:27.36 | forcerecon | its a small command |
| 17:27.41 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 17:27.51 | forcerecon | greycat: I am in the bios |
| 17:27.53 | forcerecon | I can see it |
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| 17:28.35 | forcerecon | there is no USB |
| 17:28.35 | forcerecon | it is no initializing on boot |
| 17:28.41 | forcerecon | therefore it is not in the bios to CHOOSE |
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| 17:32.41 | humbot | wipe the entire machine... without anything to boot from :P |
| 17:32.41 | forcerecon | okay there was a process |
| 17:32.41 | forcerecon | I turned off usb |
| 17:33.39 | forcerecon | then I turned off server then I turned on USB Drive, then I waited, then I turned on server then I went into bios and now I am at repair disk |
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| 17:34.58 | forcerecon | okay here is the deal |
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| 17:35.54 | forcerecon | RAID detected. you may want to retry after installing the [mdadm] packages. ( sudo apt-get install -y -force-yes mdadm -no-install-recommended) |
| 17:36.42 | forcerecon | now how the hell do you do that without booting |
| 17:36.42 | forcerecon | lol.. I love linux |
| 17:37.10 | Bermuda | ok im in 9.0.1 again, reset the root pw, but reboot/shutdown -h/halt are not working |
| 17:37.56 | humbot | maybe chroot |
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| 17:37.57 | forcerecon | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25113373/ |
| 17:38.55 | forcerecon | well that seems really F'd up.. |
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| 17:39.45 | Bermuda | yeah i cant get out of this terminal and have it save the pw |
| 17:39.46 | forcerecon | nice work installer.. wipe drive for 3 days and still show windows shit |
| 17:40.09 | greycat | sync, unmount the target root file system |
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| 17:40.47 | forcerecon | okay you gurus.. what do you make of that and how do I wipe this sit |
| 17:40.50 | forcerecon | give me a star for getting you information |
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| 17:42.04 | forcerecon | greycat: I am really starting to love you bro.. truly.. in a heterosexual way.. however, if I said bubblegum make smoothies taste like grape water would you understand what that mean |
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| 17:43.00 | Bermuda | how do i unmount |
| 17:43.18 | greycat | umount /device |
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| 17:43.35 | Bermuda | command not found... |
| 17:43.45 | th0r | Bermuda, sudo? |
| 17:43.47 | greycat | The command has one 'n', not two. |
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| 17:49.58 | forcerecon | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25113421/ |
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| 17:50.52 | forcerecon | alright.. how do we wipe this puppy |
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| 17:51.47 | forcerecon | unless someone can make sense of that and provide a terminal fix from boot repair |
| 17:51.47 | forcerecon | that would be optimal .. I do have use of termina |
| 17:51.47 | forcerecon | l |
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| 17:52.58 | cheapie | Looks like you have a corrupted GPT partition table on md0. Either that or a *very* ancient version of fdisk? |
| 17:53.25 | forcerecon | I was just looking at Disk /dev/md0: 6500.8 GB, 6500762255360 bytes |
| 17:53.41 | forcerecon | and noticed something |
| 17:53.41 | forcerecon | hmmm.. |
| 17:53.53 | forcerecon | okay.. How do I wipe this sucker clean I mean clean |
| 17:53.58 | forcerecon | I need direction |
| 17:54.14 | cheapie | As in you want to wipe everything? Delete all of it? |
| 17:54.34 | forcerecon | I want this to be linux.. no windows anything at all anywhere in my list |
| 17:54.43 | forcerecon | I need this wiped! |
| 17:54.50 | forcerecon | bare for debian 9 install |
| 17:55.17 | greycat | corrupted partition could mean "I encrypted then entire disk, instead of a partition" |
| 17:55.17 | forcerecon | what do I need to do to fix it |
| 17:55.41 | forcerecon | I am assuming there is no fixmbr or fdisk |
| 17:55.55 | cheapie | If you want to wipe all of it (WARNING: This will delete *everything*!), start with "wipefs -a /dev/md0", then stop the array (I *think* "mdadm --stop /dev/md0" will do that) and continue with wipefs -a on the other disks. |
| 17:56.02 | forcerecon | so..... how in linux from a debian 9 stretch install do I clean all these drives completely |
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| 17:56.33 | forcerecon | okay cheapieI am in terminal on boot repair disk.. |
| 17:56.35 | forcerecon | I need the play by play |
| 17:56.43 | forcerecon | and I can't copy and paste |
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| 17:56.46 | CarlFK | how do I open an issue against this doc package: https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/d-i/trunk/manual/en/appendix/preseed.xml?view=markup#l326 https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/installation-guide |
| 17:56.53 | humbot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:57.02 | discovered | hi |
| 17:58.03 | forcerecon | arbitrary comments are useless and not welcome when trying to actuall utilize the helpdesk and the combined intellect of those here for a good reason.. |
| 17:58.05 | forcerecon | humbot: go sit in the corner |
| 17:58.22 | humbot | thankyou |
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| 18:00.39 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: Yes, there are tools equivalent to fixmbr and fdisk, but I don't think that's what you need right now. |
| 18:00.49 | forcerecon | I am all ears! |
| 18:00.52 | pakiOOGG | is there a difference in kernels 4.9 between ifferent distros? |
| 18:01.05 | greycat | yes |
| 18:01.05 | forcerecon | teach me obi one's |
| 18:01.13 | greycat | Every distribution applies its own patches and builds with its own chosen options. |
| 18:01.23 | pakiOOGG | where are the kernels copied from into the distro reos? |
| 18:01.26 | pakiOOGG | repos |
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| 18:02.00 | greycat | http://packages.debian.org/linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64 |
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| 18:03.10 | forcerecon | I let debian install wipe the drives for almost 35 hours.. you would think I would not be seeing windows information from 2 years ago on the drives |
| 18:03.16 | forcerecon | okay.. so.. if anyone has the time.. how do I fix this |
| 18:03.44 | forcerecon | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25113421/ |
| 18:04.44 | pakiOOGG | forcerecon: it stays there |
| 18:04.46 | sypher | forcerecon: How did you "wipe" the drive? |
| 18:05.01 | forcerecon | you know you want this guys.. this is stelar! |
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| 18:05.18 | pakiOOGG | forcerecon: the information is never gone. it's mirrored. you can sometimes also see a 'ghost' image of a bios logo during boot or shutdown. that's when the hdd barrier begins to break down. |
| 18:05.21 | forcerecon | how do I remove all remnants of windows from this machine based on that url |
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| 18:05.34 | sypher | forcerecon: I did ask you a question... |
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| 18:05.49 | pakiOOGG | question: how do you permanently disable swap when its not in fstab and swap off only works during current boot? |
| 18:06.14 | forcerecon | all I want to do is combine all the drives and install debian 9 |
| 18:06.14 | forcerecon | raid, forget encryption and lvm |
| 18:06.14 | forcerecon | boot without issue |
| 18:06.18 | sypher | forcerecon: Trying again: I asked you a question. Please answer it. |
| 18:06.25 | forcerecon | I have been working on this guys for 4 days.. |
| 18:06.46 | greycat | If it's not coming from fstab then figure out where it *is* coming from. Some custom boot script? systemd? |
| 18:06.46 | forcerecon | sypher: sorry I missed that |
| 18:06.46 | pakiOOGG | obviously it's systemd |
| 18:07.16 | forcerecon | uhm.. during debian install it made me wipe the drive to remove meta data but not actually low level |
| 18:07.16 | forcerecon | so.. I guess I never really wiped the drives |
| 18:08.08 | pakiOOGG | forcerecon: you dont really need to low level. bu you can do this with "shred" booted into a live usb . |
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| 18:08.10 | forcerecon | I have my linux dvd ready to roll.. I am currently online with boot repair and in terminal |
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| 18:08.16 | sypher | forcerecon: You can also simply use the dd command to easily zero the entire disk. |
| 18:08.17 | forcerecon | so if I can do it from here that is great |
| 18:08.31 | sypher | forcerecon: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=4k |
| 18:08.31 | pakiOOGG | sypher is right dd or shred will work |
| 18:08.36 | forcerecon | okay.. I have been looking at dd commands |
| 18:08.37 | sypher | forcerecon: And walk away for a long time. |
| 18:08.40 | forcerecon | okay.. well that helps |
| 18:08.55 | pakiOOGG | it will take hours |
| 18:08.57 | sypher | forcerecon: You can also put a & at the end of that and queue up each drive simultaneously. |
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| 18:09.01 | sypher | forcerecon: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=4k & |
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| 18:09.03 | sypher | forcerecon: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=4k & |
| 18:09.05 | sypher | And so on. |
| 18:09.14 | forcerecon | sypher: can I do that from terminal in boot repair |
| 18:09.20 | forcerecon | okay one thing at a time |
| 18:09.22 | BluesKaj | forcerecon,enable highlighting your nick in your irc client, then when your nick is typed into the chat it will shw up colorized if you choose that option |
| 18:09.26 | forcerecon | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.36 | sypher | forcerecon: I have no idea what boot repair is, but you can do this from just about any Linux live environment. |
| 18:09.50 | forcerecon | I don't have linux live |
| 18:10.02 | forcerecon | I have the install with firmware and non free installation dvd |
| 18:10.08 | pakiOOGG | forcerecon: use dd to get a live usb |
| 18:10.09 | forcerecon | I have boot repair cd |
| 18:10.20 | pakiOOGG | then you boot int, open terminal, then issue command |
| 18:10.33 | forcerecon | I can issue the command now |
| 18:10.33 | forcerecon | here we go |
| 18:10.43 | BluesKaj | guess he missed my suggestion ;-) |
| 18:10.50 | forcerecon | BluesKaj: I did it |
| 18:10.53 | hubot | I translated Debian wiki page SELinux/Setup |
| 18:10.55 | hubot | https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup | https://wiki.debian.org/pl/SELinux/Setup |
| 18:10.57 | pakiOOGG | you can do it from anything, even the system you are in, but it will start to bug out as you do it from the same system |
| 18:11.08 | pakiOOGG | if you dd he same driver runnin the system |
| 18:11.09 | BluesKaj | for ok |
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| 18:11.16 | BluesKaj | forcerecon,^ |
| 18:11.36 | pakiOOGG | like a self eating cancer |
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| 18:11.53 | forcerecon | alright. give me a link to a live dvd and I will burn it, run it and follow the road |
| 18:12.09 | sypher | forcerecon: https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
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| 18:12.36 | pakiOOGG | forcerecon: the debian images are 2gb |
| 18:12.38 | n4dir | the question why not simply format the drive was probably answered somewhere in all that info. |
| 18:12.42 | forcerecon | debian-live-9.0.1-amd64-cinnamon.iso |
| 18:12.45 | forcerecon | downloading |
| 18:12.47 | pakiOOGG | you can find a smaller live linux distro, if you want |
| 18:12.55 | pakiOOGG | fyi |
| 18:13.24 | forcerecon | how about a debian 9 net iso that I already have burned |
| 18:13.26 | forcerecon | no? |
| 18:13.35 | Bsadowski1 | After I set my root password at installation, it is not working when I reboot afterwards. Never had this problem before. I'm also typing it correctly. |
| 18:13.37 | velix | Is it okay to use "stow" on a Debian system or is it a "no go" in 2017 :D |
| 18:13.44 | forcerecon | needs to be live not just an install.. gotcha |
| 18:13.46 | sypher | Bsadowski1: You installed from a Live image v9.0.1, didn't you. |
| 18:13.48 | greycat | You can use it. |
| 18:14.23 | forcerecon | greycat: I can |
| 18:14.23 | Bsadowski1 | Yeah, sypher, is that not what I was supposed to do? |
| 18:14.23 | velix | => https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian/Discussion |
| 18:14.23 | n4dir | the installer has both options, to format the drive[s] and to wipe them, when doing an encrypted installation. So yes, the net-install-iso should do it |
| 18:14.23 | sypher | Bsadowski1: Known issue. |
| 18:14.23 | sypher | !give Bsadowski1 ifrp |
| 18:14.23 | dpkg | gives Bsadowski1 ifrp |
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| 18:14.26 | Bsadowski1 | :P |
| 18:14.27 | sypher | sigh |
| 18:14.30 | jhutchins_wk | velix: There are better ways to handle third-party packages. |
| 18:14.32 | sypher | !tell Bsadowski1 about ifrp |
| 18:14.34 | greycat | YOu wanted "!tell ... about ..." |
| 18:14.42 | forcerecon | giving it a go now |
| 18:14.42 | forcerecon | thanks |
| 18:14.43 | sypher | greycat: Yeah, I know. |
| 18:14.43 | velix | jhutchins_wk: tell me, baby. |
| 18:14.44 | Bsadowski1 | Sorry I will read the known issues again haha |
| 18:14.48 | jhutchins_wk | velix: stow is better thjan nothing. |
| 18:15.06 | velix | jhutchins_wk: I like stow because I still can use apt the normal way. |
| 18:15.08 | sypher | Bsadowski1: dpkg just gave you a root password reset process. |
| 18:15.12 | pakiOOGG | you can dl something like puppy linux too, which is very small |
| 18:15.15 | jhutchins_wk | velix: What are you installing that's not in the 55,000 official packages? |
| 18:15.51 | velix | jhutchins_wk: nightly stuff in GIS world. I'm often reporting bugs and can't wait 2 years to get it updated :) |
| 18:16.01 | Bsadowski1 | Did they revert that recently? |
| 18:16.15 | Bsadowski1 | Hmm I'm looking in the wrong spot then lol |
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| 18:17.48 | jhutchins_wk | velix: Set up a framework to build your own .deb packages. |
| 18:17.48 | velix | jhutchins_wk: yeah, but this breaks apt. |
| 18:17.56 | greycat | There is absolutely nothing wrong with using /opt and /usr/local the way you always have on every other unix. |
| 18:18.13 | velix | jhutchins_wk: When there's an update, apt will kill my own build. Okay, I could set it to HOLD. |
| 18:18.13 | greycat | Debian is not allowed to touch those. Those are YOURS. |
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| 18:18.40 | velix | greycat: I used /opt in the past, but had to configure the path to LDCONFIG and PATH manually. narf. |
| 18:18.40 | pakiOOGG | question: why does linux start to tap into swap file when copying large number of files, wehn you are not even close to ram limit, which slow down ENTIRE system? |
| 18:18.55 | jhutchins_wk | velix: It should work if you use the right numbering scheme. |
| 18:19.05 | velix | jhutchins_wk: yeah, I have to figure out a good one. |
| 18:19.11 | greycat | Why would a tiny amount of paging "slow down ENTIRE system"? What did you do? |
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| 18:19.37 | greycat | Idle daemons may be swapped out if the kernel thinks additional file system cache would be more helpful. |
| 18:20.08 | velix | jhutchins_wk: or I'll do it the hard way: chroot ;) |
| 18:20.08 | n4dir | iirc correct you could give your build app an according version-number, so debian won't have a higher number. a) i don't recall details and b) like said /opt and /usr/local are safe. |
| 18:20.09 | velix | jhutchins_wk: I'm actually compiling my stuff in a chroot to keep the main system clean. |
| 18:20.19 | n4dir | the short tutorial at forums.debian.net has the info bout the version-trick |
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| 18:22.00 | velix | n4dir: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 ? |
| 18:22.35 | velix | it's from 2009 ... is it still valid for current debian? |
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| 18:22.49 | n4dir | gimme a sec. |
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| 18:24.06 | n4dir | uhum. Yes, it is the one. In general you will probably find better how-to's, either the bot here, or wiki.debian.net (debian-women did quite a bit, for example). I was only thinking of the version trick |
| 18:24.43 | n4dir | but can't tell you, if SoulSinging added that info to the original post, or if you have to scroll through the whole thread. iirc the info was given by the user julian67 (or such) |
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| 18:25.21 | velix | n4dir: thx |
| 18:25.58 | n4dir | there is also an IRC channel, which help with such questions. i would ask there and let them confirm that it is a valid trick at all. bad news: i always forget the name of that channel. |
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| 18:26.59 | forcerecon | okeedo.. so when I boot to the net |
| 18:27.19 | forcerecon | I get the graphical install etc.. you guys know |
| 18:27.19 | deego | If I don't have any swap partitions, what should go in the file /etc/initramfstools/conf.d/resume ? I had simply removed it. Used to work just fine with 3.16. But, with the new debian stable (4.9), it results in an oops #0010 smp... "unable to sync" ("Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer derefenece"). |
| 18:27.20 | forcerecon | where am I going |
| 18:27.29 | deego | What's the right thing to put in 'resume' when I have no swap partition? |
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| 18:28.39 | deego | what's weird is that once in a while, it does boot up with 4.9 |
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| 18:28.48 | pakiOOGG | all right. so changed swappiness to 1 |
| 18:28.50 | deego | so, right now, I boot into stable, but using the old 3.16 |
| 18:28.56 | jhutchins_wk | deego: I would say that counts as a bug. |
| 18:29.15 | sypher | deego: I deleted that file. |
| 18:29.16 | deego | jhutchins_wk: is that bug even related to the swap issue? |
| 18:29.22 | deego | sypher: ah, thanks |
| 18:29.22 | jhutchins_wk | deego: Maybe /dev/nul would work? |
| 18:29.40 | ttyX | why is freeipa-client in unstable and not available in stable? |
| 18:29.46 | n4dir | forcerecon: i am not sure what the question is. The installer seems pretty intuitive, self-explaining |
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| 18:31.30 | pakiOOGG | question: if a scanner isnt recognized but the printer itself part is, is this a permissions LP issue? |
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| 18:32.34 | deego | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=133564 - ah, i did see nouveou in the panic printout.. |
| 18:32.47 | forcerecon | I booted, executed a shell and typed = DD IF=/DEV/ZERO OF=/DEV/SDA BS=4K |
| 18:32.52 | forcerecon | waiting to see what happens |
| 18:33.05 | forcerecon | cursor just blinking |
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| 18:33.39 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: That's really overkill. All you need to do for a clean install is format the filesystem. |
| 18:33.58 | n4dir | i am with jhutchins_wk (and btw: keep simple things simple) |
| 18:34.00 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: It can take hours with modern-sized drives. |
| 18:34.28 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: No harm in cancelling it. |
| 18:34.31 | forcerecon | welll I waited over for meta overwite.. guess I'll just wait for this |
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| 18:35.06 | forcerecon | I understand but I don't want any remnants of windows in my url above |
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| 18:35.22 | forcerecon | I want the mbr to say linux and this to be all linux so that I know it was fresh.. otherwise I run into issues that I am not capable of solving on my own.. |
| 18:35.32 | n4dir | jesus. |
| 18:35.41 | forcerecon | so if it starts clean and you guys know it.. then well.. there is a basis |
| 18:36.31 | forcerecon | Im just doing what you guys tell me. sypher felt this was the way to go.. no one chimed in.. so I have to assume that.. well.. its the way to go.. once I start it, well everyone chimes in and now it was the wrong way to go or just overkill |
| 18:36.35 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: You're wasting your time, but it's yours to waste. |
| 18:36.39 | forcerecon | I am learning |
| 18:37.12 | forcerecon | jhutchins_wk: did you see the link above |
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| 18:37.38 | n4dir | none of that info is needed. do a default installation and call it a day |
| 18:37.44 | forcerecon | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25113552/ |
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| 18:38.31 | forcerecon | everyone has an idea without seeing what I am doing.. this is a server.. it has 4 drives. I just want raid, lvm and everything on the one drive with raid 0.. don't care... |
| 18:38.41 | forcerecon | it installed, it won't boot, grub wrong |
| 18:38.56 | forcerecon | tried to solve, nothing worked, trying again |
| 18:40.07 | forcerecon | so unless someone has a video tutorial of getting debian 9 to work on a raid array with encryption and lvm I have to ask and have to sort through the answers |
| 18:40.07 | jhutchins_wk | There's no real reason to worry about the boot sector on a drive you're not booting from, but I have heard that it's a good idea to install grub to each drive in a RAID array, if only for the sake of recovery if you loose the primary boot drive. |
| 18:41.21 | forcerecon | well when it got to the question of where I wanted to install grub and it showed me 5 different 32 bit drives with no letters or sd? I picked the first one.. sda.. |
| 18:42.01 | forcerecon | reboot, grub recovery.. so not sure what to do next.. |
| 18:42.01 | jhutchins_wk | The boot sector is the one exception to simply formatting the filesystems, and that can be solved by either zeroing _just_ the boot sector or by installing grub. |
| 18:42.01 | forcerecon | I did everything I could find.. everything.. |
| 18:42.01 | forcerecon | according to debian installer grub was installed.. |
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| 18:42.13 | forcerecon | I am now zeroing the boot sector |
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| 18:42.56 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: We know people have done this. We know some have solved the problem by booting to a non-raid device. I think I have seen people successfully boot to a software raid, but I've only used hardware raid. |
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| 18:43.01 | forcerecon | jhutchins_wk: still blinking btw.. not sure what that command is doing? since it is a raid array and maybe only affecting one drive or is it actually zeroing the raid? I have no idea |
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| 18:44.04 | forcerecon | 4 drives, 500GB and 3 2TB drives.. just want to install debian 9 across all them,, one big data pool for home.. |
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| 18:44.29 | cybrNaut | https://www.logilab.org/blogentry/29155 <= I followed those steps ("turn it off") to disable swap encryption, and it fucked shit up |
| 18:44.49 | forcerecon | im not giving up btw.. I could install windows in like 20 minutes and be done.. but I want this to work!!!! |
| 18:45.12 | forcerecon | I need windows gone! |
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| 18:45.18 | cybrNaut | bootup is stuck in an infinite loop looking for an encrypted volume on /dev/sda5 |
| 18:46.09 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: No, windows is irrelevant. |
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| 18:46.34 | jhutchins_wk | It may take more than a day to zero six terabytes. |
| 18:46.43 | cybrNaut | shtrb: it turns out there is indeed a race-condition with encrypted swap space -- it's a hibernation problem. all the hibernation mechanisms need to mount swap space before mounting root (/) |
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| 18:46.50 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: I googled "grub + software raid" and got some very useful results. |
| 18:47.05 | cybrNaut | shtrb: so some ppl disable hibernation, some remove the crypto |
| 18:47.16 | cybrNaut | not sure how you're getting away with it |
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| 18:47.51 | h0nus | late to the party, but why would you need the OS on a RAID array? |
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| 18:48.23 | forcerecon | jhutchins_wk: unless we don't share the same net.. I have been through 50 pages of reading today on the subject.. now YOU are more versed in the commands, so for you it might be helpful.. for me right now, until I learn I need hand holding, I need a step by step.. I need a tutorial or a document that says.. DO THIS! otherwise, I just listed and keep trying things |
| 18:48.46 | h0nus | why not just cron regular backups of /home to the RAID? |
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| 18:49.07 | greycat | Why not have /home *in* the RAID? |
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| 18:49.14 | h0nus | ^ |
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| 18:49.44 | forcerecon | h0nus: because installing the OS on the 500GB drive and not utilizing 450GB towards the data drive and other 3 2TB drives is a waste |
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| 18:50.44 | h0nus | so do what greycat suggests and just install /home on the RAID |
| 18:50.58 | forcerecon | greycat: I am trying to do that.. create the array with all the drives and then just create a separate home drive with the rest of the space not used by root and swap and whatever |
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| 18:51.15 | BluesKaj | forcerecon, so how much data in Gb do you actually have ? |
| 18:51.21 | h0nus | ah |
| 18:51.25 | forcerecon | guys.. I have been trying to do this for 4 days.. I am trying |
| 18:51.49 | forcerecon | BluesKaj: 6.5 TBs |
| 18:51.49 | h0nus | like i said, i'm late to the party |
| 18:52.11 | h0nus | hardware or software RAID? |
| 18:52.21 | sypher | h0nus: mdadm |
| 18:52.34 | forcerecon | h0nus: software, based on debian graphic installer ( because that's all I know right now ) |
| 18:52.41 | sypher | forcerecon: You really should do what's been said and have /home on the RAID. |
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| 18:53.15 | forcerecon | sypher: that is what I am doing |
| 18:53.19 | forcerecon | trying to do |
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| 18:53.57 | h0nus | does it even see the RAID during install? |
| 18:54.14 | forcerecon | is this zero thing going to take another 34 hours? |
| 18:54.43 | sypher | forcerecon: Additionally, what KIND of RAID are you configuring? RAID5, RAID10, etc? |
| 18:54.43 | forcerecon | look at lin |
| 18:54.43 | h0nus | forcerecon: on 6.5tb? YUP |
| 18:54.43 | forcerecon | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25113552/ |
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| 18:54.43 | forcerecon | that is what it sees |
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| 18:55.27 | h0nus | I've done lots of installs; typically only time you need to zero a drive is when you're destroying sensitive data |
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| 18:55.59 | sypher | forcerecon: Reboot into the installer. You don't need to zero the disks, and you're overcomplicating this whole process. |
| 18:56.07 | h0nus | zeroing that whole thing isn't going to make windows more uninstalled |
| 18:56.17 | forcerecon | okay |
| 18:56.19 | forcerecon | rebooting |
| 18:57.10 | sypher | forcerecon: Additionally, repeatedly moaning about how long you've been working on this is not a material concern that will help us with your issue. |
| 18:57.25 | pakiOOGG | just format it from the installer, manual fomatting |
| 18:57.31 | pakiOOGG | do you know how to do that? |
| 18:57.37 | sypher | pakiOOGG: Let's keep this as simple as possible, please. |
| 18:57.44 | pakiOOGG | what? |
| 18:57.51 | forcerecon | sypher: I am just trying to let you know that I have been researching this for awhile and not just asking for answers |
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| 18:57.58 | sypher | forcerecon: I think that's understood by now. |
| 18:58.03 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: You should expect to put in time learning linux. We'd like to see you use that time productively, and understand that you're frustrated. You took on a rather large project for an inexperienced user. |
| 18:58.10 | sypher | ^ |
| 18:58.18 | h0nus | ^^ |
| 18:58.24 | pakiOOGG | installing is simple. just understand how to do expert install |
| 18:58.48 | h0nus | simple+expert... |
| 18:58.48 | forcerecon | graphical install, install, advanced options, help.. what do I do here? |
| 18:58.49 | sypher | forcerecon: Just the regular install. |
| 18:58.49 | pakiOOGG | the only problem is that the live iso are all broken. |
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| 18:59.34 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: You WILL need to learn to use the console. |
| 19:00.03 | forcerecon | jhutchins_wk: thats great but I am here now, so please teach me.. then I will know how |
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| 19:00.30 | h0nus | oh geez... i'd learn the console from a live install before making it your daily-use OS... o.0 |
| 19:01.00 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: Like I said, I don't know the tricks of software raid, I've only used hardware raid that presents the array as a single, normal drive. |
| 19:01.28 | h0nus | ^ |
| 19:01.31 | sypher | I can be quite helpful here. |
| 19:02.07 | greycat | I use the hell out of terminals/shells, but I still use X. X is mostly a bunch of terminals that I can move around + 1 or 2 web browsers. |
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| 19:02.07 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: That's how I use Windows. |
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| 19:02.27 | jessequinn | hi |
| 19:02.47 | forcerecon | am I writing greek.. I am doing a graphical install.. I just want to fix grub |
| 19:02.47 | forcerecon | can we format the drives manually? |
| 19:02.47 | forcerecon | seems simple enough that it could be answered in a second rather then always so much commentary |
| 19:02.47 | forcerecon | jhutchins_wk: exactly. . that is what I am trying to do as well |
| 19:02.48 | forcerecon | all I want to do is format the drives please. |
| 19:02.48 | forcerecon | net install dvd running.. what do I do |
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| 19:03.27 | somiaj | doesn't forcerecon just want Raid0? Would lvm be sufficent for this, it can store data on multiple drives (unsure what else would be missing using just lvm and no raid) |
| 19:03.33 | forcerecon | that was nice |
| 19:03.46 | forcerecon | I did not even do anything and got kicked |
| 19:04.01 | somiaj | forcerecon: you pasted to the channel |
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| 19:04.05 | forcerecon | nope |
| 19:04.05 | greycat | I don't know why anyone would ever want RAID0 |
| 19:04.22 | somiaj | forcerecon: how did you write out those multiplel ines so quickly then? |
| 19:04.31 | forcerecon | I did not |
| 19:04.46 | forcerecon | greycat: you have been doing this for 35 years.. can you just tell me the best way to combine the drives and the steps to make it happen |
| 19:04.50 | somiaj | forcerecon: there is a timer, you can't make multiple lines quickly, you wrote 6 lines of info in about a second. |
| 19:05.05 | somiaj | forcerecon: if you just want to combine the drives to have one large drive, lvm is sufficent for that. |
| 19:06.48 | forcerecon | I did not write anything man |
| 19:06.48 | forcerecon | last 3 lines on my screen |
| 19:06.48 | forcerecon | <jhutchins_wk> greycat: That's how I use Windows. |
| 19:06.49 | forcerecon | <jessequinn> hi |
| 19:06.49 | forcerecon | <-* debhelper has kicked forcerecon from #debian (flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.) |
| 19:06.49 | *** kick/#debian [forcerecon!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.) |
| 19:06.54 | sypher | sighs. |
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| 19:07.10 | forcerecon | getting silly now |
| 19:07.15 | forcerecon | I guess I did something again |
| 19:07.17 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: Have you read this? https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SoftwareRaidRoot |
| 19:07.36 | forcerecon | <forcerecon> so not sure what you are all seeing but I didn't do it |
| 19:07.36 | forcerecon | <somiaj> forcerecon: if you just want to combine the drives to have one large drive, lvm is sufficent for that. |
| 19:07.36 | forcerecon | <-* debhelper has kicked forcerecon from #debian (flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.) |
| 19:07.53 | somiaj | forcerecon: you are pasting lots of lines to the channel, you may not know you are doing this, but you are. |
| 19:08.02 | forcerecon | dude I am not |
| 19:08.12 | forcerecon | I know what I am typing |
| 19:08.44 | somiaj | forcerecon: http://paste.debian.net/976958/ -- so you typed all of that in a second, including pasting what other people say |
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| 19:09.04 | h0nus | lag maybe? |
| 19:09.15 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: That URL would seem to address exactly what you're trying to do. |
| 19:09.40 | jhutchins_wk | h0nus: Yeah, I've been seeing some bursty output. |
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| 19:10.10 | h0nus | but debhelper isn't gonna know that-- just a bot |
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| 19:10.21 | jessequinn | just a quick question. What package do i need to install so that flags like -lnetcdff -lhdf5 -lhdf5_fortran work? I am getting a linking error. |
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| 19:11.10 | greycat | ,file libnetcdff.a |
| 19:11.10 | judd | Search for libnetcdff.a in stretch/amd64: libnetcdff-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnetcdff.a |
| 19:11.10 | somiaj | the pasting of other peoples statements makes me think an acidential paste, maybe hitting middle mouse button, but either way, the bot will kick you if your output is busty. |
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| 19:11.10 | greycat | jessequinn: so start with libnetcdff-dev and repeat the process for each thing |
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| 19:11.43 | forcerecon | http://i.imgur.com/nXmox3N.png |
| 19:12.15 | forcerecon | okay.. so believe me now |
| 19:12.26 | forcerecon | thanks jhutchins_wk I will give it a read |
| 19:12.27 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: Focus. |
| 19:13.27 | somiaj | forcerecon: as h0nus said it could be lag. |
| 19:13.27 | h0nus | it's a bot kicking for perceived flooding. nothing personal. if you get kicked just come back in. |
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| 19:14.06 | greycat | Also consider consolidating more sentences into a single IRC "line". |
| 19:14.06 | h0nus | ^ |
| 19:15.45 | forcerecon | can I just install debian on the 500GB drive and then setup once installed the other drives as a single entity and move home there |
| 19:15.51 | forcerecon | I think 6TBs is plent |
| 19:16.06 | jhutchins_wk | Yes, you can do that. |
| 19:16.25 | jessequinn | ,file libhdf5.a |
| 19:16.29 | judd | Search for libhdf5.a in stretch/amd64: libhdf5-mpich-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/mpich/libhdf5.a; libhdf5-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/serial/libhdf5.a; libhdf5-openmpi-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/openmpi/libhdf5.a |
| 19:16.39 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: I would use raid5 though, you'd have 4TB. |
| 19:17.15 | jessequinn | ,file libhdf5_fortran |
| 19:17.15 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 19:18.39 | somiaj | forcerecon: the installer should be able to setup the lvm (or encrypted lvm) for you over the multiple disks. You may need expert mode for this (though I have never doen it myself) |
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| 19:19.40 | greycat | I can't understand why anyone would want encrypted disks/partitions/file systems on a home machine. Wouldn't you prefer it to come back up cleanly WITHOUT you having to run downstairs at 4 AM to type some password? |
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| 19:19.46 | somiaj | forcerecon: though I would also suggest jhutchins_wk, and using some other raid than raid0 |
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| 19:21.34 | jessequinn | interesting. I have installed the packages but -lhdf5 and -lhdf5_fortran still give me linking errors. |
| 19:21.44 | h0nus | greycat: managing a client db maybe? |
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| 19:21.57 | deego | [back with oops image] When trying to boot with new debian stable (4.9), I get a kernel oops: http://imgur.com/a/CybMP It seems probably related to nouveau, as you see in the backtrace. (I end up booting from oldstable). I have purge xserver.*nvou .. but the oops still happens. |
| 19:22.04 | somiaj | jessequinn: do you have multi-arch setup, could that be the issue? |
| 19:22.44 | jessequinn | you mean support for i386 |
| 19:22.44 | jessequinn | yes |
| 19:22.49 | somiaj | jessequinn: did you install the i386 version of the libs too (I missed what the original issue was) |
| 19:22.58 | forcerecon | somiaj: I am working on installing it to the 500GB drive.. going well atm.. I will deal with the other drives once I finish the installation completely.. Thanks |
| 19:23.00 | jessequinn | i dont believe i did |
| 19:23.08 | jessequinn | how can i check that? |
| 19:23.21 | somiaj | jessequinn: what software is having linking issues, is it 32bit or 64bit software? Do you know? |
| 19:23.44 | jessequinn | SIESTA. I am unsure if it is 64 or 32 |
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| 19:24.32 | somiaj | jessequinn: what is the output of file nameofbinary |
| 19:24.53 | jessequinn | siesta |
| 19:25.07 | somiaj | that is the output? |
| 19:25.15 | jessequinn | sorry, i am unsure what you mean by this |
| 19:25.22 | jessequinn | the compiled file should be called siesta |
| 19:25.37 | somiaj | so what is the output of 'file siesta' |
| 19:25.45 | somiaj | file is a command |
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| 19:25.53 | jessequinn | well i am trying to compile it |
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| 19:25.57 | jessequinn | so i cant do that |
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| 19:26.28 | somiaj | jessequinn: oh sorry I thought this was a linking issue, not a compiling issue. Did you install the -dev version of the libaries? |
| 19:26.28 | jessequinn | this is source i am adding the flags in the makefile |
| 19:26.28 | jessequinn | yes i did |
| 19:26.40 | jessequinn | "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lhdf5 |
| 19:26.40 | jessequinn | " |
| 19:27.10 | jessequinn | this is the issue i am having while making |
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| 19:28.19 | greycat | I don't know what hdf5 is or why you got three different results, each in a different subdirectory. |
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| 19:28.33 | greycat | If it were me, I would read the package descriptions for each of those and try to figure out what it is, what it means, why there's three of 'em, and what to do. |
| 19:28.44 | jessequinn | i know why there is three |
| 19:28.57 | jessequinn | but the issue is why the -lhdf5 isnt linked |
| 19:29.15 | greycat | because all of your results are in SUBDIRECTORIES of the place where actual libs are found |
| 19:29.22 | jessequinn | i see |
| 19:29.27 | jessequinn | that makes sense |
| 19:29.35 | jessequinn | three are various forms for parallelism |
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| 19:33.21 | jessequinn | right on. sorry i had serial installed as well. Thank i didnt realize that debian packages will create folders and separate them like that. |
| 19:33.39 | jessequinn | Thanks. I believe it will compile fine now. |
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| 19:34.48 | iodev | Is there any atheros firmware besides firmware-atheros? |
| 19:34.54 | greycat | !ath10k |
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| 19:44.41 | cybrNaut | https://www.logilab.org/blogentry/29155 <= what is wrong with those steps? fucked up my system. Now it boots with a looping error "cryptsetup (sda5_crypt): lvm is not available" |
| 19:45.25 | cybrNaut | "Turn it off" was the section on that page that i followed |
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| 19:50.10 | cybrNaut | debian forced me to encrypt swap, then I was forced to enter a password for it on every boot (even though /boot had a key) |
| 19:50.13 | Trel | Is there a way to install debian with the text mode installer WITHOUT downloading upgrades (from the netinst version), like a command line switch or something. I want to assign IP information and such, but don't want to download the updates as part of the install process. |
| 19:50.32 | h0nus | cybrNaut: you did have a drive mapped to sda5, right? |
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| 19:51.09 | cybrNaut | h0nus: yes, it was for the swap partition (it's sda5 for me just as it is in the example) |
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| 19:51.21 | h0nus | ok just checking :) |
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| 19:51.38 | cybrNaut | i got lucky on that, but unlucky the in the result |
| 19:52.18 | forcerecon | gonna be working late tonight ;) |
| 19:52.31 | forcerecon | thanks again for the help everyone.. |
| 19:52.36 | forcerecon | talk in a bit |
| 19:52.54 | JyZyXEL | why does networkmanager drop my internet connection when i stop kdm? |
| 19:53.34 | h0nus | that blog entry is 7 years old; possible program no longer allows for a crypto-switch for swap? |
| 19:54.58 | cybrNaut | h0nus: i noticed the age of it after things got screwed up |
| 19:55.15 | cybrNaut | in principle swap should be easy to manipulate |
| 19:55.23 | cybrNaut | since the data can be wiped out |
| 19:55.29 | jhutchins_wk | cybrNaut: Also for Ubuntu, not Debian, which could be different. |
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| 19:56.22 | cybrNaut | i'm looking for more current instructions now |
| 19:56.35 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: It's being controlled by the applet, and assumes that if the user has logged out of the GUI the network connection is not needed. |
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| 19:57.01 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: Is it a permanently wired connection? |
| 19:57.10 | JyZyXEL | jhutchins_wk: yeah |
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| 19:58.04 | JyZyXEL | jhutchins_wk: i'm hoping this is fixed by setting the interface as "Allow all users to use this interface" in the nm-applet |
| 19:58.44 | greycat | I wouldn't use n-m for a permanent, wired connection. |
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| 20:00.13 | jessequinn | interesting. is there a particular reason why "jessie" has libnetcdff.a and libnetcdf.a while "stretch" only has libnetcdff.a in the libnetcdff-dev package? |
| 20:00.30 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: Set it up in /etc/network/interfaces and it will be a system-managed connection that's up when the system's up. |
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| 20:01.54 | JyZyXEL | i originally converted out of that system because it had trouble obtaining a dhcp-lease reliably during start up |
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| 20:02.33 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: Shouldn't. That's been working for years. |
| 20:03.02 | greycat | You might be misunderstanding something. Maybe you still had "allow-hotplug eth0" instead of "auto eth0". allow-hotplug is wonky shit. |
| 20:03.09 | greycat | Daemons that need the network to be up will not wait for allow-hotplug interfaces, but they WILL wait for auto interfaces. |
| 20:03.40 | JyZyXEL | it was a auto eth0 bridged with auto br0 setup |
| 20:03.52 | greycat | ohdeargod virtual machine crap |
| 20:03.55 | greycat | have fun... |
| 20:04.16 | JyZyXEL | and with that, it didn't work reliably |
| 20:04.53 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: There is nm-cli if you don't want to do it the right way. |
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| 20:05.40 | JyZyXEL | jhutchins_wk: do what? |
| 20:06.04 | greycat | fixing your VM bridge fancy crap |
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| 20:15.50 | forcerecon | okay.. so it installed.. booted.. logged in.. get wallpaper and mouse, but no icons or anything.. just a nice wallpaper and mouse :) |
| 20:15.53 | forcerecon | suggestions |
| 20:16.17 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: Manual bridging is always a bit tricky. Best to have the documentation for the environment that's doing the bridge in hand. |
| 20:16.52 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: Which DE did you install? Did you pick "graphical desktop" in the software selection menu? |
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| 20:17.14 | th0r | forcerecon, restart the panel |
| 20:17.22 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: Generally, you wouldn't run a GUI on a "server". |
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| 20:59.12 | shtrb | forcerecon , usually today you don't get icons you get a nice panel (plasma / gnome etc) that let you do what ever you wish |
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| 21:16.13 | darko | !staf |
| 21:16.18 | darko | !staff |
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| 21:46.43 | tuH | Looking to get a password manager, anyone here that can recommend one? |
| 21:48.11 | frostschutz | tuH, pass? https://www.passwordstore.org/ |
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| 22:08.13 | aguitel | how install flash in stretch ? |
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| 22:14.03 | galex-713 | Hi |
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| 22:14.25 | galex-713 | My thinkpad X220 has a modem, does someone know how to send smses and phonecalls? |
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| 22:15.05 | professorkaos64 | Is there any merit on building a tool to build debian packages from a docker image? This would be like pbuilder but use docker images instead so it an also be used on non-debian distros and use other build tools |
| 22:15.39 | jrtc27 | professorkaos64: !dpkg fish builder manipulative |
| 22:15.53 | jrtc27 | o.O huh |
| 22:15.57 | jrtc27 | https://packages.debian.org/sid/whalebuilder |
| 22:16.15 | professorkaos64 | pretty much that, but handle rpms and Arch Linux too |
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| 22:18.48 | jrtc27 | professorkaos64: idk about that; maybe see if you can extend that one rather than reinventing the wheel? :) |
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| 22:19.15 | professorkaos64 | I was going to take this one https://github.com/dburm/docker-builder, and use python |
| 22:19.32 | professorkaos64 | that dev can't really update it anymore, and uses familiar code |
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| 22:24.59 | aguitel | anyway to install flash plugin in stretch ? |
| 22:25.30 | mutante | is curious what the answer will be. gave up myself after 5 min :p |
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| 22:25.57 | mutante | stupid Flash, always annoying since 10 years but still not dead.. getting close though |
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| 22:26.43 | aguitel | mutante, dont understand |
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| 22:27.05 | mutante | aguitel: we are in the same boat, i want to know as well |
| 22:27.23 | aguitel | mutante,ok |
| 22:27.30 | forcerecon | sorry for delay.. I can't believe this little home server can run windows graphics but not debian 9 cinnamon |
| 22:27.44 | forcerecon | hmph.. can't even reboot.. but will figure it out |
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| 22:33.50 | humbot | do you really need flash ? youtube uses html5 now, so do nearly all news sites |
| 22:34.24 | forcerecon | so even after a reboot I still get no panel or start menu, just wallpaper and a very very slow system.. I was able to open terminal and reboot, is gnome less resource intensive than cinnamon? |
| 22:34.42 | forcerecon | is there a way to change it via terminal and see if that speeds things up |
| 22:35.13 | humbot | i think the package is flashplugin-nonfree mutante aguitel |
| 22:36.26 | forcerecon | I reboot login and get everything but the interface.. I get wallpaper and mouse.. but nothing else.. |
| 22:36.39 | shtrb | galex-713 , is the modem work ? if yes you can use AT commands (if it supports) |
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| 22:37.10 | shtrb | forcerecon , KDE or gnome ? |
| 22:37.23 | shtrb | or anything else |
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| 22:38.11 | galex-713 | shtrb, the modem is integrated (internal, through usb, not pci), and I can have 3G âinternetâ with it |
| 22:38.28 | galex-713 | oh sorry I have to go |
| 22:38.30 | galex-713 | bye |
| 22:38.35 | shtrb | have fun |
| 22:39.09 | aguitel | humbot, no package found for stretch |
| 22:39.29 | humbot | oh :o |
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| 22:39.45 | upbeta | does anyone know how to make thunderbolt display work on Debian 9? |
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| 22:42.58 | Hoolootwo | probably depends on your hardware and stuff |
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| 22:43.13 | forcerecon | shtrb: cinnamon |
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| 22:44.00 | forcerecon | debian 9 cinnamon shall I reinstall with gnome or is there a way to change to gnome on the fly |
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| 22:46.14 | humbot | forcerecon: the answer to some of your questions is yes |
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| 22:49.01 | forcerecon | this is a good learning adventure.. |
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| 22:49.27 | forcerecon | finally get it installed and its useless.. |
| 22:49.27 | forcerecon | live and learn |
| 22:49.27 | forcerecon | :D |
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| 22:56.01 | nvz | forcerecon: you typically have a display manager which offers a graphical login and you can choose your session type at that login screen |
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| 22:56.23 | eyes | Can you use luks to encrypt a root partition if there is already a debian install ? |
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| 22:58.26 | shtrb | eyes , you should always encrypt the parttion before the installation |
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| 22:59.04 | nvz | eyes: how large is the partition and how much is in use? |
| 22:59.05 | eyes | 475gb |
| 22:59.17 | eyes | 100gb |
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| 22:59.39 | nvz | so you could if need be do an offline resize encrypt deal |
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| 23:00.31 | nvz | you'd boot from some other media like a flash drive or install cd, and shrink the partition, create a new partition and encrypt it, move the data and then delete the unencrypted partition and grow the new partition |
| 23:00.54 | nvz | it would be much simpler however to backup the data and reinstall if you have the ability to do so |
| 23:01.02 | nvz | not to mention it'd be a whole lot safer |
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| 23:06.48 | darko | can |
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| 23:06.58 | nvz | jar |
| 23:07.08 | ozzloy | can't |
| 23:07.16 | darko | can someone tell me how can i get a vhost? |
| 23:07.18 | darko | xD |
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| 23:07.27 | darko | y'all are funny |
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| 23:07.40 | nvz | we thought you were playing a word association game |
| 23:07.40 | mutante | darko: what do you mean? a webserver? |
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| 23:07.59 | nvz | generally you get those sort of things by shopping online and purchasing one |
| 23:08.16 | darko | no, I mean I want my ip to be hidden |
| 23:08.34 | darko | I have a better opsec, just new to freenode |
| 23:08.50 | darko | and idk if we get a virtual host here |
| 23:09.24 | nvz | darko: freenode offers cloaks but they don't really hide your ip very securely |
| 23:09.24 | mutante | darko: oh, just rent access to a server somwhere and run your IRC client there.. |
| 23:09.38 | darko | yes, currently on my vps, proudly a debian one |
| 23:09.57 | darko | w |
| 23:09.57 | nvz | darko: then what's the problem? :-P |
| 23:10.19 | mutante | darko: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/cloaks |
| 23:10.29 | darko | well, i didnot pay by btc for my vps |
| 23:10.59 | mutante | darko: read that, and if you still want a cloak, ask in #freenode for one |
| 23:11.08 | darko | thank you mutante and nvz :D |
| 23:11.08 | mutante | you can get an "unaffiliated" one |
| 23:11.17 | darko | :D |
| 23:11.21 | darko | reads |
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| 23:14.16 | botho | how does debian deblob its kernel? or does it use a linux-libre one ? i ask because there was an interview with the person responsible for deblobbing linux-libre, so i wondered how debian did it |
| 23:14.26 | darko | i got it. thanks again |
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| 23:18.00 | nvz | botho: deblob? the linux kernel has never had blobs |
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| 23:18.27 | nvz | you add that crap in and it says "this taints your kernel" |
| 23:18.29 | botho | ? |
| 23:18.53 | nvz | blobs are not part of the mainline kerel to begin with |
| 23:18.53 | botho | they are |
| 23:18.53 | botho | they are not part of the debian kernel |
| 23:18.55 | botho | but mainline, yes |
| 23:19.04 | nvz | botho: such as? |
| 23:19.48 | nvz | linus hates blobs he has flamed people for mucking up his kernel just with 3rd party stuff |
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| 23:21.25 | botho | well i dont know what kind of blobs are in the kernel specifically, i just know there are |
| 23:21.36 | botho | hence why linux-libre exists |
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| 23:23.03 | nvz | linux-libre is just another project that like debian aims to make a distribution free of blobs they're not talking about the kernel specifically |
| 23:23.25 | nvz | debian only includes things like binary firmware and such in its non-free repos |
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| 23:23.49 | nvz | projects aiming to "deblob" as you say are trying to reverse engineer free alternatives to such things |
| 23:24.14 | nvz | you don't deblob the kernel, you just dont use stuff that requires binary only drivers |
| 23:24.15 | botho | you are mistaken nvz |
| 23:25.40 | botho | anyway i asked somewhere else, seems debian run their own scripts on mainline kernel to deblob it, they don't use linux-libre kernel |
| 23:25.43 | jrmu | If I recall correctly, there are in fact blobs in the mainline kernel |
| 23:26.04 | jrmu | debian uses some of the same tools as the linux libre project to deblob it |
| 23:26.18 | jrmu | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux-libre |
| 23:26.21 | mutante | there used to but then they got removed so finally the FSF could approve of Debian as "free"? |
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| 23:26.42 | jrmu | mutante: I don't think the fsf will ever approve of debian because of the repos |
| 23:26.46 | jrmu | nothing to do with the kernel itself |
| 23:26.50 | botho | indeed |
| 23:26.55 | botho | non-free repos is the problem |
| 23:27.03 | mutante | because of the non-free repos,, yea true.. but werent there also blobs removed? hmmm |
| 23:27.23 | mutante | i seem to remember something about at least reducing them |
| 23:27.52 | jrmu | These distros don't use the packaged Linux-libre but instead completely deblob the proprietary Linux kernel with some of the tools to make Linux-libre. The source is then compiled and the resulting free Linux kernel is used by default in these systems |
| 23:27.59 | jrmu | quoted from the wikipedia page |
| 23:28.56 | jrmu | I'm happy with debian though since as long as you don't intentionally add the repos it's all open source software |
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