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| 00:15.44 | hanasaki | what could cause a nic in /etc/networking/interfaces to not come up on boot however comeup fine on ifup nicname |
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| 00:17.17 | somiaj | hanasaki: do you have an auto line for that nic? |
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| 00:18.34 | hanasaki | somiaj: yes |
| 00:18.54 | somiaj | care to share you interfaces file. |
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| 00:21.48 | hanasaki | somiaj: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/9f0cee95/ |
| 00:22.07 | hanasaki | nic inside comes up.. nic outside does not |
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| 00:22.16 | somiaj | I assume that the nics are not called nic_inside and nic_outside, and that will be your problem |
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| 00:22.27 | somiaj | the boot script won't run ifup interface=alias |
| 00:22.29 | rpifan | well |
| 00:22.31 | rpifan | it doesnt work |
| 00:22.42 | rpifan | there is no way that i can tell to install debian from instide the live image itself |
| 00:22.58 | rpifan | if you search for it there is nothing. any other options also my wifi card doesnt work on debian |
| 00:22.59 | somiaj | rpifan: it is suggested to use an offical installer and not a live image from debian |
| 00:23.02 | hanasaki | somiaj: it's a bridge.. it gets named by the interface file |
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| 00:23.36 | rpifan | the installer wont work because grub causes the screen to boot into an unreadable garble, thats why ive been trying to fix. I cant find any way to isntall debian at all |
| 00:23.38 | somiaj | rpifan: and if you use the live image it is better to boot directly into the installer and not the live enviroment. |
| 00:23.46 | somiaj | hanasaki: eitehr way, what is the 'ifup' command you run that works. |
| 00:23.55 | rpifan | i cant do thats the issue somiaj |
| 00:24.02 | hanasaki | ifup nic_outside |
| 00:24.07 | somiaj | rpifan: again use an offical installer, not a live image. Grub issues are common with the installer |
| 00:24.17 | somiaj | live installer |
| 00:24.28 | rpifan | i am using the official installer |
| 00:24.30 | hanasaki | rpifan: somiaj is right.. I had an issue w/ the live installer too |
| 00:24.38 | rpifan | its an issue with grub itself |
| 00:24.41 | rpifan | it always happens |
| 00:24.44 | somiaj | rpifan: you said you were using the live image. |
| 00:24.53 | somiaj | the live image is not the offical installer |
| 00:25.05 | rpifan | im using the hybrid iso |
| 00:25.20 | hanasaki | somiaj: what do you think? |
| 00:25.21 | somiaj | that doesn't clarify what you said, the live images are also hybrid |
| 00:25.47 | rpifan | i went to debian and downloaded the debian-gnome.iso image |
| 00:25.56 | somiaj | that is a live image, use an offical isntaller |
| 00:25.57 | rpifan | if there is another image please point me to it |
| 00:26.02 | somiaj | either the netinstaller or cd or dvd1 |
| 00:26.12 | rpifan | i have already previously used the netinstall |
| 00:26.13 | rpifan | its the same issue |
| 00:26.17 | rpifan | it has something to do with grub |
| 00:26.22 | rpifan | once it boots the text is unreadable |
| 00:26.28 | rpifan | it works fine once inside a live image |
| 00:26.50 | somiaj | hanasaki: unsure what the issue is, I have never used auto for interfaces using aliais like you have. I'm unsure what the problem could be. |
| 00:27.05 | rpifan | is there any way to start the installer from a booted live image |
| 00:27.22 | hanasaki | somiaj: suggestions on a better way for me to do it? |
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| 00:28.00 | somiaj | hanasaki: I just call my bridge br0, I do know it seems to take a while to come up. I don't know where to look for bugs with this. |
| 00:28.19 | hanasaki | somiaj: tried br0 / br1 . no luck |
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| 00:30.40 | somiaj | hanasaki: I'm unsure what the problem could be. what is the output of 'systemctl status networking' |
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| 00:31.47 | hanasaki | Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/networking.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) |
| 00:32.00 | somiaj | hanasaki: you should see some logs too, no errors being presented? |
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| 00:32.24 | somiaj | the full output maybe useful. |
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| 00:32.35 | hanasaki | Main PID: 14063 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) |
| 00:32.44 | hanasaki | Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/networking.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) |
| 00:33.01 | hanasaki | somiaj: what exactly does that do |
| 00:33.02 | somiaj | that is the only output you got? |
| 00:34.00 | somiaj | hanasaki: networking is the servicve name that brings up the interfaces at boot. That command gives you info about that service including any logs produced. |
| 00:34.05 | hanasaki | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/fa052299/ |
| 00:34.45 | somiaj | hanasaki: this is on stretch? |
| 00:34.57 | hanasaki | yes |
| 00:35.02 | hanasaki | shy |
| 00:35.05 | hanasaki | why |
| 00:35.09 | somiaj | http://paste.debian.net/977270/ |
| 00:35.44 | somiaj | that is what mine looks like, unsure what those ExecStart and ExecStartPre lines are doing, but I do see a different behavior. |
| 00:36.59 | somiaj | what does the command ifup -a --read-enviroment do (run that after you boot, that is the command that should be running and brining up the itnerfaces) |
| 00:37.56 | hanasaki | ifup: unrecognized option '--read-enviroment' |
| 00:38.12 | somiaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.15 | hanasaki | lol |
| 00:38.20 | hanasaki | no output |
| 00:38.29 | somiaj | and it didn't bring up the interfaces, check them now |
| 00:38.57 | somiaj | no output is usually good. |
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| 01:10.53 | n_blownapart | hello I don't much about torrents, eMule or any of that technology. Is there a safe way to get books, using (your recommended) clients on jessie 8.? sorry clueless on linux policies, etc. |
| 01:11.29 | bazhang | n_blownapart, books you paid for? |
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| 01:11.33 | rpifan | #debian-boot |
| 01:11.38 | bazhang | go to amazon.com |
| 01:11.49 | rpifan | so nothing works for installing debian |
| 01:11.56 | rpifan | the installer instead included in the image |
| 01:12.00 | n_blownapart | yeah, cheap, non-pirated books |
| 01:12.06 | rpifan | when i download the debian-installer-launcher it wont find the initrd |
| 01:12.30 | bazhang | n_blownapart, gutenberg has a huge library |
| 01:13.10 | bazhang | all free and legal |
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| 01:20.54 | n_blownapart | thanks bazhang |
| 01:21.34 | bazhang | np |
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| 01:31.47 | n_blownapart | bazhang hey sorry one more thing, is there kindle reader for debian or an equivalent? the book I want on Amazon has no mention of kindle for linux, aside from using cloud reader |
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| 01:32.44 | bazhang | n_blownapart, for reading mobi epub or what |
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| 01:33.19 | bazhang | n_blownapart, if you mean software, then yes debian has it read those |
| 01:33.26 | pacha | n_blownapart: Calibre works pretty good |
| 01:33.30 | bazhang | to |
| 01:33.48 | bazhang | calibre is more for conversion |
| 01:33.55 | bazhang | ,v okular |
| 01:33.56 | judd | Package: okular on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.8.4-3+b1; jessie: 4:4.14.2-2; buster: 4:16.08.2-1+b1; stretch: 4:16.08.2-1+b1; sid: 4:16.08.2-1+b1 |
| 01:34.07 | bazhang | thats what I use |
| 01:34.34 | n_blownapart | yeah the book is Programming in Haskell by Graham Hutton. okular ? I have jessie 8 64bit |
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| 01:36.04 | n_blownapart | so I can use okular on jessie 8 judd ? |
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| 01:36.40 | bazhang | jessie: 4:4.14.2-2; n_blownapart |
| 01:36.49 | bazhang | did you see that listing or not |
| 01:37.22 | n_blownapart | sorry I cannot read that. those are a range of versions? |
| 01:37.25 | n_blownapart | bazhang, |
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| 01:38.19 | n_blownapart | oh those are dependencies? |
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| 01:39.10 | bazhang | thats the version number |
| 01:39.24 | bazhang | just apt-get install okular |
| 01:39.35 | n_blownapart | cool will do thanks again bazhang |
| 01:40.13 | pacha | bazhang: probably he was trying to say that he was using Debian 8 and the only package available was for 4 |
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| 01:40.37 | pacha | n_blownapart: that is for the version of the package, read this: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
| 01:41.03 | n_blownapart | pacha, ok thanks, okular seems to be installing now |
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| 01:42.54 | bazhang | yeaH |
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| 01:43.09 | n_blownapart | it seems large |
| 01:43.13 | bazhang | debian eight wont be the numbering on the packages themselves |
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| 01:43.50 | n_blownapart | sorry I just did sudo apt-get install okular plenty of activity still installing |
| 01:45.03 | n_blownapart | installed KDE Dev Platform 4.14.2 , Okular 0.20.2 |
| 01:45.29 | n_blownapart | so that reads kindle format, epub et al ? |
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| 01:47.47 | bazhang | mobi is the amazon one, iirc |
| 01:48.18 | bazhang | at any rate, it's very easy to get those going, doint worry about the format at this point |
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| 01:49.40 | kb3vgw | hey guys having a issue |
| 01:49.52 | kb3vgw | root@odroidc2:/usr/src/debian# mkfs.ext4 -F -L 1500M -T largefile rootfs.img mke2fs 1.43.4 (31-Jan-2017) Suggestion: Use Linux kernel >= 3.18 for improved stability of the metadata and journal checksum features. mkfs.ext4: inode_size (256) * inodes_count (0) too big for a filesystem with 0 blocks, specify higher inode_ratio (-i) or lower inode count (-N). |
| 01:50.19 | kb3vgw | i need it to make the fs 1500 megs |
| 01:51.10 | kb3vgw | we are making a rootfs.img for aarm install |
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| 01:59.03 | sparky4 | I am having an issue with debian jessie and starting X not as root |
| 01:59.34 | sparky4 | when i startx or login with lightdm it quits / logout |
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| 02:00.40 | n_blownapart | bazhang, thanks again |
| 02:01.30 | bazhang | n_blownapart, gutenberg is merely the tip of a HUGE iceberg for free ebooks |
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| 02:01.49 | bazhang | any OS has the softwrae for them |
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| 02:01.57 | bazhang | ware |
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| 02:02.00 | burek | i love you debian people <3 |
| 02:02.00 | bazhang | augh |
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| 02:03.18 | prussian | kb3vgw: is the file 1500MiB? |
| 02:03.28 | prussian | -L is label in mke2fs |
| 02:03.49 | prussian | fallocate -l "$(numfmt --from=iec '1500M')" yourfs.img |
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| 02:03.51 | prussian | ???????????? |
| 02:05.49 | kb3vgw | yes |
| 02:06.07 | kb3vgw | 1500M |
| 02:06.29 | kb3vgw | http://forum.khadas.com/t/how-to-debian-stretch-linux-4-9-from-scratch-w-download-emmc-only/806 |
| 02:06.35 | kb3vgw | is what I am following |
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| 02:07.29 | kb3vgw | mkfs.ext4 -F -L ROOTFS rootfs.img is the line they use |
| 02:07.52 | n_blownapart | bazhang, well, I'd like a newly published book. would like to burn it, but its 20 bucks on amazon epub |
| 02:08.16 | burek | wat |
| 02:09.37 | prussian | also this guide is weird. why not just subtree or submodule all those gits into your OS project |
| 02:10.22 | kb3vgw | using it as a base we are looking to rebuild the rootfs.img only we have the rest |
| 02:10.57 | prussian | well that should work. what they have written |
| 02:11.15 | prussian | probably use fallocate instead of truncate but doesn't really matter |
| 02:12.41 | kb3vgw | http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?2,5986,page=1 found a better way its working |
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| 02:13.57 | prussian | cool |
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| 02:55.03 | OS-24339 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.49 | somiaj | OS-24339: might want to change your password |
| 02:55.52 | bazhang | OS-24339, time to change pass |
| 02:55.56 | OS-24339 | fml lol |
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| 02:57.11 | kb3vgw | well I got a img file built but got errors I dont understand |
| 02:57.29 | bazhang | built how |
| 02:58.27 | kb3vgw | using a script we built to make a rootfs.img with qemu-debootstrap |
| 02:59.11 | kb3vgw | https://paste.debian.net/977274/ |
| 02:59.25 | kb3vgw | we are working to get a replacement rootfs going |
| 03:01.25 | kb3vgw | https://paste.debian.net/977275/ |
| 03:03.56 | kb3vgw | so I thnk there are a few steps missing they did not give us for arm |
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| 03:06.02 | somiaj | kb3vgw: there is #debian-arm (or something like that) which may be more helpful on irc.oftc.net |
| 03:11.01 | kb3vgw | ok |
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| 05:44.34 | Cobalt | Hello. I have an issue with my wlan0 which has a buggy kernel module whereby it goes off every couple of hours or so. Executing sudo ifdown wlan0; sleep 2; sudo ifup wlan0 from a console brings it back up 100% of the time. However, when I have this same running a cron job every 2 hours (checked logs it fires), it fails to achieve the same result. Is there any way to troubleshoot this? |
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| 05:46.41 | well_laid_lawn | tried using full paths to the executables in cron ? |
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| 05:50.10 | Cobalt | well_laid_lawn: Fair point. I thought I had; but it seems not. I'll try that and see what happens, thanks. |
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| 05:56.31 | cipher6 | Anyone able to advise why top& succeeds but fg can't pull top back? |
| 05:56.33 | cipher6 | stderr "Interupted system call" |
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| 05:59.01 | AHM | hello |
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| 06:02.18 | Cobalt | well_laid_lawn: Thank you. It seems to work as intended now. |
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| 06:07.31 | well_laid_lawn | well done |
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| 06:20.23 | context | anyone alive |
| 06:20.27 | context | echo "'$var'" ? ''.. echo -n | hexdump -v prints? ''. [[ -z "$var" ]] ? not empty. |
| 06:20.32 | context | anyone know what might be up :x |
| 06:20.39 | cheapie | Alive? No, not any more, why? |
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| 06:21.36 | cheapie | You might want to try ##linux, by the way. Your question doesn't sound Debian-specific, and there's more activity there at the moment. |
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| 07:06.14 | debrooo | I use both nmcli and nmtui to connect to my wifi. I'm setting up a new machine with Debian 9 for the first time and nmtui can scan and list networks but both fail to connect to any network. Any help please? |
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| 07:08.29 | debrooo | It's a clean Debiab install only: Standard system utilities, i3, xorg, alsa-utils, chromium, chromium-l10n and network-manager. |
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| 07:21.23 | asdaljlsd | ?? |
| 07:21.50 | asdaljlsd | does #debian have an opinion on people who plea not guilty? |
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| 07:22.03 | elky | that's offtopic for here |
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| 07:22.12 | asdaljlsd | almost like an interview |
| 07:22.20 | asdaljlsd | but not really....cause debian is at threat |
| 07:22.23 | asdaljlsd | ? |
| 07:22.45 | asdaljlsd | zzz |
| 07:22.51 | burek | ok |
| 07:23.02 | asdaljlsd | yup |
| 07:23.07 | burek | ok |
| 07:24.12 | asdaljlsd | zzz |
| 07:24.23 | burek | bye dude |
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| 07:26.12 | elvirolo | hi all |
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| 07:26.41 | elvirolo | Could anyone tell me how to force a version of NFS server-side? |
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| 07:29.00 | asdaljlsd | freenode is international? |
| 07:29.33 | shtrb | yes |
| 07:29.38 | asdaljlsd | ucase im lookin to do some community service..... |
| 07:29.48 | asdaljlsd | cuase its so illegal...... |
| 07:30.00 | shtrb | what ? |
| 07:30.04 | asdaljlsd | debian? |
| 07:30.11 | asdaljlsd | #python be private.... |
| 07:30.24 | asdaljlsd | raping kids in there? |
| 07:30.25 | burek | what is guy talking about? |
| 07:30.27 | tx | Try python with two ##'s ;) |
| 07:30.30 | asdaljlsd | gg? |
| 07:30.35 | asdaljlsd | !! |
| 07:30.35 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 07:30.48 | asdaljlsd | =) ?? |
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| 07:31.16 | asdaljlsd | at least undernet keeps its open? |
| 07:31.26 | burek | is this a bot? |
| 07:31.41 | asdaljlsd | nah im a military soldier or something |
| 07:31.46 | asdaljlsd | tell me what to do and pay me. |
| 07:31.53 | burek | so, basically a bot |
| 07:31.59 | elvirolo | Please stop this. |
| 07:32.04 | asdaljlsd | freenode gah |
| 07:32.06 | asdaljlsd | gay |
| 07:32.15 | burek | be nice, bot! |
| 07:32.40 | asdaljlsd | lol?? /kick asdfasdf? |
| 07:32.54 | Artemis3 | chatter bot eh? |
| 07:32.57 | asdaljlsd | you think someone gonna get killed for that? |
| 07:33.06 | asdaljlsd | like your not fucking your family members? |
| 07:33.11 | asdaljlsd | bot that bitch |
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| 07:33.23 | asdaljlsd | stfu |
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| 07:33.26 | asdaljlsd | BUSSINESS |
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| 07:33.48 | asdaljlsd | "private small bussinesses" |
| 07:33.48 | burek | where the mods at? someone ban this spam bot |
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| 07:34.08 | asdaljlsd | gg? |
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| 07:34.16 | asdaljlsd | 911? |
| 07:34.26 | asdaljlsd | freenode in ny? |
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| 07:34.42 | burek | who made this bot? such a bad coding job |
| 07:35.20 | shtrb | Are you sure it's a bot, it reminds my the tech support reps I had to deal with |
| 07:35.21 | asdaljlsd | aight, so yall paid to stfu |
| 07:35.31 | asdaljlsd | so stfu |
| 07:35.52 | burek | this bot is bugged bro |
| 07:36.09 | burek | he thinks hes paying us with imaginary money |
| 07:36.40 | shtrb | burek , I could say the same thing about altice reps |
| 07:36.43 | asdaljlsd | im aint banned yet cause im not the pussy? |
| 07:37.00 | burek | altice? |
| 07:37.10 | asdaljlsd | whos #1? |
| 07:37.20 | shtrb | they make comcast sound as a good service provider |
| 07:37.39 | asdaljlsd | yos uhould see how they sound in jail. |
| 07:37.44 | burek | what's comcast? |
| 07:37.46 | asdaljlsd | ? |
| 07:37.58 | asdaljlsd | o.0 lol |
| 07:38.07 | asdaljlsd | g....g......bored to out. |
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| 07:42.30 | Haohmaru | i added a line to fstab to mount a samba share.. but it doesn't get mounted.. in dmesg i see "error connecting to socket" "cifs_mount failed with return code -101" |
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| 07:43.21 | Haohmaru | i read something that suggest that maybe the network is not set up yet |
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| 07:46.22 | shtrb | Haohmaru , make sure you have updated cifs_utils and that you have network setup before that (_netdev) , you can also move to automount if nothing else works |
| 07:46.54 | Haohmaru | "updated" cif_utils? |
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| 07:47.14 | Haohmaru | i installed cifs-utils with apt-get a minute ago |
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| 07:47.26 | shtrb | in that cases it's updated :) |
| 07:47.51 | Haohmaru | what do you mean about the network? |
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| 07:48.38 | Haohmaru | i'm using lxde, so the network configuration is handled by this "WICD" gui thing, afaik |
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| 07:49.09 | Haohmaru | the network here relies on dhcp |
| 07:49.40 | shtrb | you have two options to make network based mount to work (that I know of ) , pass _netdev in the mount point or using the automount option |
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| 07:50.46 | shtrb | add x-systemd.automount to our mount options for automount |
| 07:50.57 | shtrb | to your mount option in fstab |
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| 08:04.14 | Haohmaru | shtrb, i was reading about it and i added "auto" and "x-systemd.automount" .. it seems to work |
| 08:04.36 | Haohmaru | weirdly i see the "share" twice in pcmanfm |
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| 08:05.30 | Haohmaru | once with a network folder icon, and once with an icon that looks like an ejectable device |
| 08:05.59 | asdaljlsd | can someone tell dibblego that if the fucker wants to keep running imma kill him....thanks. |
| 08:06.08 | asdaljlsd | gg |
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| 08:06.29 | Haohmaru | wut |
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| 08:06.33 | burek | bot is back |
| 08:06.49 | shtrb | Haohmaru , just remember that automount will mount on first access (but listed as mounted) |
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| 08:07.31 | Haohmaru | shtrb, i went to the place where the mounted stuff should appear - and it was all there, so it works |
| 08:07.40 | Haohmaru | that's all that matters |
| 08:07.58 | contrapunctus | Can anyone recommend a 4G USB modem (is that the right term? pop in SIM get mobile data connection?) that'll work on Debian without additional non-free firmware? |
| 08:08.23 | contrapunctus | (nothing of the sort on the wiki or on H-Node) |
| 08:08.28 | shtrb | The moment you went there (the action had been been done) the mount had happened |
| 08:08.45 | Haohmaru | good enough ;] |
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| 08:09.24 | shtrb | contrapunctus , I'm ussing the Huawei shitty E8372h model - it does not need any non free firmware , but it's a pc by it's own |
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| 08:10.54 | shtrb | but if you can get the older nokia/blackberry that exposed the modem over USB it will be better |
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| 08:19.19 | contrapunctus | shtrb: Thanks :D Say, why would those be better? (Won't the baseband be non-free on those, too?) |
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| 08:20.32 | shtrb | I got better speeds on them and it's a standalone pc that you don't know what it is running |
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| 08:21.00 | shtrb | the Huawei devices running some stripped android version |
| 08:21.16 | shtrb | (*) the Huawei devices that I played with |
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| 08:48.06 | jawr | hi, i recently upgraded to debian 9 from 8 and im experiencing some weirdness with my terminal... every time i detach a screen session my clipboard is cleared |
| 08:48.18 | jawr | and also its forwarding mouse events to the terminal |
| 08:48.30 | jawr | i looked through preferences in the profile and couldnt find anything :/ |
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| 08:51.45 | tiny | Hi, Installing FAI CD / server with fixed IP / into a KVM. There's no chance to configure IP and right at the start of boot I get a message "starting version 232" RTNETLINK answers "Network is unreachable" ... installation goes on, ends with some errors... is this normal and i need to manually setup network after install? |
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| 09:01.12 | inch | tiny: What if you dig out kernel and initrd from the cd, start the vm with -kernel and -initrd options and add network preseed answers with -append |
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| 09:38.41 | jrmu | what's a good set up for subscribing to and replying to many mailing lists? I'm especially interested in something that can be run from the command line |
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| 09:39.16 | petemc | mail client, mutt is a good command line mua |
| 09:40.06 | jelly | isn't exactly command line, has a curses interface |
| 09:40.14 | tiny | inch: nice idea thanks, i will first start fresh from stretch and try to follow guide, setting up a local debian mirror also ... i want all installs to be the same. |
| 09:40.18 | tiny | and quick |
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| 09:40.43 | jrmu | petemc: after signing up, my inbox gets inundated. Is there a good way to sort/tag through the lists? |
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| 09:41.30 | SimonB | Last friday I updates Samaba on a Jessie 8.8 server. Since doing so, I have been unable to start samba/smbd/nmbd. Via service samba status we see "active (exited)". There appears to be no other relevant log entries anywhere. |
| 09:41.42 | SimonB | /usr/sbin/nmbd and /usr/sbin/smbd were both missing |
| 09:42.00 | jelly | jrmu, you need filtering, either on server side, or on client side when downloading mails. Legitimate mailing lists have headers you can filter on, like List-Id: |
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| 09:42.23 | SimonB | apt-get install samba seemed to install already installed packages. At that point smbd and nmbs reappeard but still same symptoms. |
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| 09:42.54 | SimonB | running processes from terminal works as it should. init and systemd scripts still dont work as epxected. |
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| 09:43.30 | SimonB | And my typing is shocking today. Sorry. |
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| 09:44.47 | jrmu | jelly: yeah, I guess I should clarify, I'm fine with curses |
| 09:44.59 | petemc | jelly: very pedantic |
| 09:45.10 | petemc | it can used from command line tho... |
| 09:45.23 | petemc | fsvo used |
| 09:45.48 | jrmu | petemc: do you personally use mutt and have good success with it for following mailing lists? |
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| 09:47.50 | jrmu | ok, I'll head over to mutt. Anything else I might need in addition to mutt for the server/client-side filtering, or can mutt handle it all client side? |
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| 09:50.10 | petemc | jrmu: i used to when i ran my own mail, i just use gmail now. |
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| 09:51.55 | jrmu | petemc: thanks. It must work pretty decently then. I'm the opposite of your case, just pulled out of gmail a year ago |
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| 09:54.49 | SimonB | Is my /lib/systemd/system/samba.service supposed to be symlink to /dev/null? |
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| 09:56.42 | inch | Perhaps. I have the same here. |
| 09:57.20 | petn-randall | SimonB: If /usr/sbin/{n,s}mbd were missing, something on your system is broken. |
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| 09:57.42 | petn-randall | SimonB: As both files are provided by the samba package. |
| 09:58.00 | SimonB | petn-randall: Correct something was broken, but Im trying to work out how updating samba on the 14th managed to break it. |
| 09:58.14 | petn-randall | SimonB: Do you have the output of your apt-get run? If yes, please share it with us on http://paste.debian.net. |
| 09:58.41 | petn-randall | SimonB: Also the entries in /var/log/apt/history.log for that date would be relevant. |
| 09:59.41 | SimonB | petn-randall: will the relevant output from /var/log/atp/term.log suffice for output? |
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| 10:00.19 | petn-randall | SimonB: Sure, if it covers the apt-get run you mentioned. |
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| 10:00.51 | SimonB | term.log: http://paste.debian.net/977294/ |
| 10:01.07 | lester_g | Hi! Need help. How can I access Terminator preferences? I clicked on Putty style so now right click is pasting. can no longer access preferences |
| 10:01.09 | lester_g | thanks |
| 10:01.24 | SimonB | history.log: http://paste.debian.net/977295/ |
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| 10:02.44 | SimonB | I've got it back up and working again, so I've calmed down a lot. But the term.log output doesnt really tell me what happened... I'll go through other logs, and maybe stick to apt-get upgrade for a while. |
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| 10:04.23 | petn-randall | SimonB: "Removing samba (2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u6) ..." You removed it in line 3 of your first paste. |
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| 10:05.31 | SimonB | petn-randall: for some reason a dist-upgrade removed it... Odd. |
| 10:05.53 | SimonB | And I dont know how I missed that sorry. |
| 10:06.11 | petn-randall | ,v samba |
| 10:06.12 | judd | Package: samba on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u13; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u5; jessie-proposed-updates: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u6; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u6; stretch: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-2; buster: 2:4.6.5+dfsg-4; sid: 2:4.6.5+dfsg-5 |
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| 10:07.25 | petn-randall | SimonB: No problem, we're here to help. In general I always pay close attention to the packages apt-get wants to remove, sometimes the dependency resolver gets surprising ideas. |
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| 10:12.04 | SimonB | petn-randall: Well thank you for your help |
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| 10:20.07 | xormor | I installed these: "sudo apt-get install build-essential fakeroot devscripts" |
| 10:20.25 | xormor | so how do I compile "Graphical Omega (RPG)"? |
| 10:20.31 | xormor | it seems to have some compiletime errors. |
| 10:21.10 | petn-randall | xormor: Is it a Debian package, or where does "Graphical Omega (RPG)" come from? |
| 10:21.15 | xormor | I also looked at the normal source code of normal omega-rpg (debian version) and it had omegatiles.xpm that displayed a lot of graphical tiles with faces of human beings, monsters and some weird shapes. it looked quite ugly, though. |
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| 10:22.14 | xormor | petn-randall, it is not a debian package, but the debian package for omega is "omega-rpg". I would be happy to make that graphical, too, though. I am now translating omega-rpg's source code into Finnish. I got the source code for the character graphics omega-rpg from Debian. |
| 10:23.05 | JyZyXEL | information in https://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ is wrong |
| 10:23.12 | xormor | petn-randall, if the debian package gives me graphics, then I will be happier, but I will be happy enough if I can finish my translation into Finnish into the "normal" text version. |
| 10:23.20 | JyZyXEL | says: "jessie (stable)" |
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| 10:26.02 | petn-randall | xormor: That didn't answer my question, though. If you're trying to compile a Debian package, 'apt-get build-dep <packagetocompile>' will install any build-dependencies needed. For a source tarball from somewhere else, you need to look up the requirements in the documentation. |
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| 10:29.39 | xormor | petn-randall, what does this mean? ---> "W: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file 'omega-rpg_0.90-pa9-16.dsc' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Lupa evätty)" |
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| 10:29.58 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 10:29.59 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 10:30.04 | petn-randall | !localized errors |
| 10:30.04 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
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| 10:30.34 | petn-randall | xormor: Can you provide all details from the first factoid, make sure to use LC_ALL=C so the messages are in English. |
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| 10:31.51 | xormor | petn-randall, thank you, but I already fixed the error. I needed to use the command "apt-get source omega-rpg" instead of "sudo apt-get source omega-rpg". I need to run it without sudo, as a normal user (non-root). |
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| 10:34.03 | dhsn | debian stretch - is it a generic name? |
| 10:34.21 | petn-randall | dhsn: It's the name of the current stable release (9). |
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| 10:34.50 | dhsn | will it be renamed when debian 10 comes out? |
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| 10:35.50 | Haohmaru | more like debian 10 would probably have a different name |
| 10:36.47 | dhsn | so it is just a random fancy name, and not a synonym for "stable" like "sid"? |
| 10:37.08 | Haohmaru | nah |
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| 10:38.22 | tx | The names are based off Toy Story characters. |
| 10:38.23 | tx | Always have been. |
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| 10:38.53 | tx | Sid is always unstable, it is unchanging. :) |
| 10:39.41 | Haohmaru | what happens when you run out of toy story characters? |
| 10:40.06 | tx | The project ends. |
| 10:40.10 | tx | :P No idea. |
| 10:40.16 | Haohmaru | microsoft wins? |
| 10:40.21 | Haohmaru | oh noes |
| 10:40.51 | tx | I suppose you could just choose another Pixar movie. |
| 10:41.52 | petn-randall | By the time Debian runs out of Toy Story characters, everyone will be so old that they don't remember the movies anymore. |
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| 10:42.55 | wuffi600 | hi |
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| 10:43.52 | Haohmaru | what if the toy story fan base decide to protest? |
| 10:44.02 | Haohmaru | those pesky kids |
| 10:44.05 | wuffi600 | What could be a reason that manually made softlink in /etc/rc?.d/ are not run on bootup? systemd is not installed. |
| 10:45.01 | petn-randall | wuffi600: Can you show us where you put the symlink, and what it is? |
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| 10:46.12 | wuffi600 | petn-randall: /etc/rc2.d/S01privoxy -> ../init.d/privoxy |
| 10:47.49 | wuffi600 | petn-randall: i can run /etc/rc2.d/S01privoxy manually , but it is not run on bootup when entering RL2 |
| 10:47.56 | kchr | wuffi600: should probably be runlvel 3 since it requires networking |
| 10:47.59 | kchr | right? |
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| 10:48.14 | kchr | maybe that's why it does not start |
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| 10:50.11 | digitalboy | Hi guys, I was wondering: what is the difference between initrd and initramfs? And which one Debian uses? |
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| 10:50.47 | wuffi600 | kchr: the content of the script just writes $0 to /tmp/testfile, nothing more |
| 10:51.31 | petn-randall | Oh, an xy problem, interesting. |
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| 10:53.48 | wuffi600 | kchr: creating /etc/rc3.d/S01privoxy -> ../init.d/privoxy and "init 3" does not start it as well |
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| 10:56.13 | wuffi600 | is there a new logic with newer versions of sysv (e.g. using a source for metainfo about scripts in /etc/init.d/, regaring out commented lines in the scripts, ... and so one...) |
| 10:57.07 | wuffi600 | maybe an new file acting as a database for services and its scripts? |
| 10:57.16 | moetunes | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:58.00 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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| 11:07.16 | unborn | I would like to know regards the jessie - from June 2018 to end of April 2020 - does that means I would not need to re-install my laptop(s) till april 2020 or shall I do re-install in june 2018? basically I am happy how my debian works right now and that is also reason that I did not run distro upgrade.. can anyone clarify? Many thanks. |
| 11:07.56 | unborn | link showing me the info is this: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS Im jessie - freeone |
| 11:08.09 | jrmu | is there something the matter with the debian xfce live dvd when used for installation? |
| 11:08.10 | jrmu | I've tested it 3 times now and couldn't get it to work |
| 11:09.10 | jrmu | the live dvd works fine, the installer appears to work fine, loads xfce, then hangs after logging in |
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| 11:12.47 | unborn | !jessie end of life |
| 11:12.57 | unborn | !jessie |
| 11:12.57 | dpkg | Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: http://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150426 . Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Currently <8.8>. |
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| 11:15.16 | jrmu | I'm going to switch over to the netinstall, hopefully that will give me less headache |
| 11:15.16 | jrmu | do the installers on the live images have a lot more issues? |
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| 11:17.40 | BluesKaj | jrmu: yes, the gui has issues, the netinstall also has a gui , but avoid it and just choose plain install |
| 11:18.41 | BluesKaj | which is a semi text install , that's been around for yrs, but works fine |
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| 11:20.19 | dhsn | .8 is a service pack? |
| 11:20.21 | jrmu | BluesKaj: Thanks. I've been using the text installer on the live dvd, still having issues, but yes I'll try the netinstall |
| 11:20.22 | jrmu | I also prefer the text installer. :) |
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| 11:21.57 | BluesKaj | jrmu: I've used the text install on a few machines and it workswell |
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| 11:23.43 | jrmu | BluesKaj: oh, I should clarify, when I meant live dvd, I didn't mean GUI installer. The live DVD lets you test debian out before installing (which I need for demo purposes) |
| 11:23.50 | Haohmaru | ehm, the live images i've tried have non-graphical install option too afaik |
| 11:23.53 | Haohmaru | or am i wrong? |
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| 11:24.26 | jrmu | the live DVD has both a GUI installer and a text installer |
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| 11:24.44 | BluesKaj | jrmu: yes I ried the lve dvd as well, and the gui installer failed twice |
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| 11:24.58 | BluesKaj | tried |
| 11:25.27 | jrmu | Haohmaru: you are correct, the live images have a non graphical install. But it's not working well for me for the xfce live dvd at the moment |
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| 11:25.41 | Haohmaru | in what way? |
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| 11:26.31 | Haohmaru | ah, i saw above |
| 11:26.38 | jrmu | Haohmaru: I followed the non graphical install 3 times, each time it would appear to install perfectly, boot up and load xfce, then after logging in it would just hang indefinitely |
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| 11:27.27 | Haohmaru | so you managed to actually install debian via that dvd, but then the installed debian doesn't quite work? |
| 11:27.28 | jrmu | also I suspect something fishy, I couldn't seem to log in as root |
| 11:27.28 | jrmu | kept saying my password was wrong. But I reinstalled the OS 3 times, and each time it said my password was wrong |
| 11:27.39 | jrmu | so I had trouble viewing the logs to figure out what was wrong with the install |
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| 11:27.46 | jrmu | Haohmaru: correct |
| 11:28.27 | Haohmaru | a coincidence, i installed debian9 from a live iso (with lxde) and it turns out i can't log in as root too |
| 11:28.29 | jrmu | debian was up, you could switch to the other consoles via ctrl+alt+f1, and log in, but couldn't log in to root for some reason, and xfce was just stuck there |
| 11:28.37 | BluesKaj | jrmu: Iavoided the live image altogether and downloaded the netinstall .iso |
| 11:28.41 | Haohmaru | i entered the same passwords for both root and for the user |
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| 11:29.30 | jrmu | Haohmaru: yes, at first I thought it was fat finger error, but I'm pretty sure there is a bug in the installer somewhere |
| 11:29.33 | BluesKaj | does xgfce ask both root and user pws? |
| 11:29.43 | jrmu | BluesKaj: Yes, it asks for both |
| 11:29.45 | BluesKaj | err xfce |
| 11:30.31 | jrmu | someone should probably file a bug report |
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| 11:31.51 | starch | I had the same problem. After login into a tty the problem get solved in the x session |
| 11:32.01 | Haohmaru | i suspected i entered the password incorrectly in the install, because i was not sitting conveniently at the keyboard |
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| 11:32.28 | Haohmaru | the user password was "okay" |
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| 11:32.46 | petn-randall | jrmu: The live ISO has a known bug that the root password isn't properly set. Use the official installer to get a working system. |
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| 11:33.18 | petn-randall | jrmu: If you have installed the system, you can reset the root password with this factoid: |
| 11:33.22 | petn-randall | !frp |
| 11:33.23 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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| 11:33.34 | jrmu | petn-randall: thanks for clarification |
| 11:34.21 | petn-randall | jrmu: A lot of people (I guess coming from Ubuntu, as this is default there) use the live system to test and then install. But in Debian this gets far less testing than the official net installer. |
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| 11:34.50 | jrmu | petn-randall: thanks. although, to be honest, I am losing confidence in the live install, I think I'm just gonna stick with the netinstall |
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| 11:35.45 | petn-randall | jrmu: Sure, but AFAIR this is the only bug that pops up throught the live installer. |
| 11:35.56 | Haohmaru | hm |
| 11:36.28 | BluesKaj | jrmu: like I posted earlier, use the netinstall image, it's less than 300mb |
| 11:36.50 | Haohmaru | i use the live iso because i often install or reinstall onto these barely working "computers" and i want to see if the thing would even run |
| 11:36.50 | jrmu | petn-randall: Ah. Well, I will still use the live DVD for demo for two students, I think they will have a fun time |
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| 11:37.38 | jrmu | the live isos make fantastic demos for people new to linux |
| 11:38.24 | Haohmaru | indeedz |
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| 11:53.40 | Parrhesiastes | is there usb-remote-senders that can control (most) tvs? i know about CEC but this seems like a simpler solution |
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| 11:58.27 | BluesKaj | Parrhesiastes, thnk there are some that work with mythtv |
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| 12:01.57 | Parrhesiastes | hmm |
| 12:02.11 | Parrhesiastes | id like someting like |
| 12:02.32 | Parrhesiastes | "tvconroll --turn-on" to turn on the tv |
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| 12:31.40 | galex-713 | Hi |
| 12:32.24 | galex-713 | So, I have the official htc_9271.fw file from the debian package firmware-atheros, but it still donât work :/ |
| 12:33.06 | petn-randall | !doesnt work |
| 12:33.07 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 12:33.21 | galex-713 | I can *see* the wifi AP list, and their percentage, but canât connect to them (if I try it says âconfiguring interfaceâ then disconnect) |
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| 12:34.07 | galex-713 | petn-randall, sorry, I am not quick enough today to write, itâs a bit hot here (too much T-T) and I just changed computer, then keyboard, so I need to be used to it, I also lost all my data so my keyboard layout is different now |
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| 12:34.46 | galex-713 | petn-randall, I started with a message that could be understood by people having previously tried to help me on the same issue another day, before to have end to write the complete description I can give |
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| 12:35.30 | galex-713 | So, when the firmware and driver are right and youâre under stable, and the software is recent, and you can *see* the AP yet not connect to, what can that mean? |
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| 12:35.48 | galex-713 | Because thatâs not the first time it happens, it already happened to me before with other wifi usb dongle |
| 12:36.21 | galex-713 | (oh sorry, forgot to precise that too: Iâm using the thinkpenguin wifi usb dongle, the big one with the rf antenna and the cable) |
| 12:36.26 | galex-713 | Any idea? |
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| 12:37.27 | galex-713 | I donât have very much other informations because I donât really well know how do work wifi at low level, so I donât know where to search |
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| 12:39.05 | petn-randall | galex-713: Ok, so how are you trying to connect to them? network-manager? |
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| 12:39.13 | galex-713 | yep |
| 12:39.17 | galex-713 | I tried mostly within KDE |
| 12:39.34 | galex-713 | but also tried with the nm-applet, under⦠err⦠MATE or i3 I think⦠|
| 12:40.06 | petn-randall | galex-713: Can you paste the output in /var/log/syslog when you try to connect to the wifi? |
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| 12:40.33 | galex-713 | yes wait a bit |
| 12:40.45 | petn-randall | sure, I'm here all day :) |
| 12:41.42 | galex-713 | ^^ |
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| 12:49.00 | galex-713 | petn-randall, here the last talk since the usb dongle was plugged (I think, the first lines talk about usb and drivers so I think so): https://paste.debian.net/977315/ |
| 12:49.46 | galex-713 | petn-randall, do you want dmesg output too? |
| 12:51.04 | galex-713 | petn-randall, dmesg, more concise: https://paste.debian.net/977316/ |
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| 12:51.17 | galex-713 | (maybe more relevant, who knows) |
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| 13:02.17 | jrmu | what's the best tool for rescuing data on an ext4 partition? I've heard of ddrescue |
| 13:03.12 | jrmu | I accidentally reformatted an ext4 partition with some data |
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| 13:03.30 | galex-713 | jrmu, ddrescue plus photorec/testdisk? |
| 13:04.07 | galex-713 | afaik if itâs only the beginning of the partition there should be a way to do that with tools specific to ext4 but that would be difficult |
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| 13:06.01 | galex-713 | petn-randall, still here? |
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| 13:06.12 | Haohmaru | what are these new things.. IBus, Mozc? |
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| 13:08.08 | jrmu | galex-713: hmm, photorec/testdisk may be valuable, thanks |
| 13:10.30 | jrmu | Haohmaru: Ibus is for inputting foreign languages, right? |
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| 13:11.31 | Haohmaru | it looks like so |
| 13:11.58 | Haohmaru | something related to this IBus thing causes side effects in one app |
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| 13:14.59 | galex-713 | Haohmaru, afaik ibus is a high-level interoperable stuff where apps do connect to communicate together, so itâs very generic, afaik |
| 13:15.29 | jelly | ,i ibus |
| 13:15.39 | judd | Package ibus (utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: Intelligent Input Bus - core. Version: 1.5.14-3; Size: 498.5k; Installed: 1937k; Homepage: https://github.com/ibus/ibus/releases; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/ibus |
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| 13:16.10 | jelly | that sounds like only for input, keyboards and such |
| 13:16.51 | Haohmaru | and the side effects had something to do with typing in the app's editboxes |
| 13:17.00 | Haohmaru | specifically backspace was unusable |
| 13:17.30 | Haohmaru | but just this one app, no issues typing in leafpad, or browser.. |
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| 13:28.16 | carmelo11 | Good evening, I created a bootable usb with the following command |
| 13:28.34 | carmelo11 | from 'su' |
| 13:28.37 | carmelo11 | cp debian-9.0.0-i386-netinst.iso /dev/sdb |
| 13:28.43 | carmelo11 | sync |
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| 13:29.25 | carmelo11 | The iso image has been copied, when i open gparted I get the following warning |
| 13:29.37 | carmelo11 | The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes |
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| 13:30.50 | BluesKaj | carmelo11, yes it's just a warning |
| 13:30.52 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:31.40 | carmelo11 | How do I check that the usb has been written regularly? |
| 13:32.24 | petn-randall | carmelo11: IIRC the release notes have the command to check it for correctness. |
| 13:32.59 | petn-randall | !check iso |
| 13:32.59 | dpkg | To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of «md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum». You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the ISO image on the mirror. See also <check iso signature>. |
| 13:33.13 | petn-randall | carmelo11: See above, replace /dev/cdrom with /dev/sdb. |
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| 13:37.35 | carmelo11 | warning can I ignore it, or is it a problem? |
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| 13:39.03 | petn-randall | carmelo11: BluesKaj and Brigo already said you can ignore it. |
| 13:39.44 | carmelo11 | Yes, but I wanted to understand why it happens |
| 13:40.39 | jrmu | galex-713: thank you! photorec recovered my two lost audio recordings perfectly |
| 13:40.46 | jrmu | quite amazing how well it works |
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| 13:43.49 | galex-713 | jrmu, yes, itâs made for that |
| 13:44.04 | galex-713 | would be better to be able to recover file hierarchy, at least partially, too |
| 13:44.17 | galex-713 | petn-randall, did you see my pastes? |
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| 13:45.09 | petn-randall | galex-713: just a sec |
| 13:46.05 | petn-randall | galex-713: "<info> [1500554497.5157] device (wlx00c0ca75c1e2): state change: config -> failed (reason 'ssid-not-found') [50 120 53]" |
| 13:46.43 | petn-randall | galex-713: I'm guessing that's your problem. Looks like you've accidentally typo'd the SSID in the setup of that wifi connection |
| 13:47.33 | madonius | Hi, does anybody use grsec on debian? |
| 13:47.45 | carmelo11 | petn-randall I have verify the md5sum and it is different |
| 13:47.52 | madonius | ^ in a production environment |
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| 13:48.19 | carmelo11 | the command that I use dd if=/dev/sdb | md5sum |
| 13:48.24 | petn-randall | madonius: no surveys please, |
| 13:48.35 | petn-randall | madonius: no surveys please, just ask your real question. |
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| 13:48.49 | madonius | petn-randall: you are right⦠|
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| 13:49.05 | petn-randall | carmelo11: Of course that's different. You completely ignored the factoid I pointed you to. |
| 13:49.06 | madonius | ich was wondering what issues I would be expecting when I ran it |
| 13:49.09 | petn-randall | !check iso |
| 13:49.09 | dpkg | To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of «md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum». You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the ISO image on the mirror. See also <check iso signature>. |
| 13:49.22 | galex-713 | petn-randall, I never wrote the ssid with my keyboard :/ just selectionned it in the network-manager menu |
| 13:49.24 | petn-randall | carmelo11: See what dpkg wrote. Use *that* command. |
| 13:50.00 | petn-randall | galex-713: The 2nd paste hints that the password is wrong. |
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| 13:51.20 | carmelo11 | petn-randall this? dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum |
| 13:51.38 | greycat | Yes, substitute your device for /dev/cdrom |
| 13:52.01 | petn-randall | madonius: From what I've heard they're not releasing the source patches anymore, so you'd have to find the patches yourself. |
| 13:52.18 | petn-randall | madonius: You might be better off with apparmor/selinux if you want to harden your Debian system. |
| 13:52.35 | madonius | in Jessie-Backports there is still linux-image-grsec-amd64 and ofcourse in sid |
| 13:52.57 | madonius | so I would have to build the kernels anew :/ |
| 13:53.10 | carmelo11 | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso what does he do? |
| 13:53.12 | madonius | nothing I'd like to do in prod |
| 13:53.26 | greycat | carmelo11: run the part in `...` and see. |
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| 13:53.54 | madonius | carmelo11: you could also have a look in the manpages :) |
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| 13:54.05 | madonius | a great chance to learn |
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| 13:54.37 | cheapie | would look up the manpage for that, but he's stuck with a Windows box at the moment... and while the internet can be helpful, typing "man head" into Google sounds like a bad idea... |
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| 13:55.02 | madonius | :D |
| 13:55.05 | greycat | http://manpages.debian.org/head |
| 13:55.14 | cheapie | greycat: Thanks. |
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| 13:55.34 | carmelo11 | trying... |
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| 13:55.42 | madonius | cheapie: you could try 'manpage head linux' |
| 13:55.55 | madonius | that should get rid of the N in NSFW |
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| 13:58.33 | potentialfedora | hello |
| 13:58.54 | potentialfedora | is DEB_HOST_ARCH into your env/shell? |
| 13:59.39 | galex-713 | petn-randall, itâs a password-less AP :/ |
| 13:59.39 | greycat | There are no env vars containing DEB in my env except the ones I placed there myself. If that's what you're asking. |
| 13:59.50 | carmelo11 | stat --format=%s debian-9.0.0-i386-netinst.iso return me: 393216000 Are the bytes that dd must count? |
| 13:59.51 | galex-713 | afaik the âpasswordâ is entered through a captive portal |
| 13:59.56 | greycat | carmelo11: yes |
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| 14:00.15 | potentialfedora | yes |
| 14:00.20 | greycat | carmelo11: or more precisely, that's how many bytes *head* will accept from the output of dd |
| 14:00.57 | potentialfedora | and is it some perl variable? |
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| 14:01.20 | greycat | carmelo11: since the device is almost certainly *not* precisely 393216000 in size, you need to make md5sum get only that many bytes, or else your MD5 will be wrong because of the 6 bazillion 0 bytes that are added at the end. |
| 14:01.43 | petn-randall | potentialfedora: Ask your real question please. |
| 14:01.59 | carmelo11 | Ok now the md5sum is correct but I wanted to understand why the warning appears |
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| 14:03.44 | potentialfedora | the real question was figuring out why that was written inside an makefile |
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| 14:03.59 | greycat | Then ask whoever wrote the Makefile. |
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| 14:04.28 | greycat | There's a good chance it's set by some other part of that project's build system, and nobody outside that project would have any idea what it is. |
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| 14:05.43 | potentialfedora | well my idea is some Architecture |
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| 14:06.04 | Agiofws | Hi |
| 14:07.52 | Agiofws | Does a USB stick have an MBR ? Do I have to have an MBR to install grub on to it? Is there a special way to format / partition a USB stick to install grub onto it? |
| 14:08.14 | greycat | It has an MBR if you write an MBR onto it. |
| 14:08.39 | Agiofws | How would I do that? |
| 14:08.49 | greycat | Normally by installing grub onto it. |
| 14:09.02 | greycat | Assuming you use a dos partition format and not a GPT partition table. |
| 14:09.17 | jhutchins | Agiofws: What's your actual goal? |
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| 14:10.09 | jhutchins | Agiofws: A usb drive can have an MBR, and can be bootable. It can be a live image to run Debian (or another OS), it can be an installer. |
| 14:10.13 | Agiofws | Installation CD asks me where I should install grub I choose /Dev/sdb but the stick won't boot into grub any ideas? |
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| 14:10.58 | jhutchins | Agiofws: Did you install Debian onto the stick? |
| 14:11.05 | Agiofws | Jhutchins. Can it be a proper linux installation |
| 14:11.17 | jhutchins | Agiofws: Yes. It will be painfully slow. |
| 14:11.20 | Agiofws | Not a live c image |
| 14:11.33 | jhutchins | Agiofws: It is better to use a live image and write that directly to the stick. |
| 14:12.19 | Agiofws | Live image is not portable filewize |
| 14:13.16 | Agiofws | I want to change setting in my OS and save files |
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| 14:13.47 | greycat | Did you give the USB device a dos partiton table, or a gpt partition table? |
| 14:13.59 | greycat | Are you trying to boot it with UEFI or legacy-dos? |
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| 14:14.24 | Agiofws | Greycat I used an extra file.system would that be the cause my problem? |
| 14:15.01 | potentialfedora | shouldn't Agiofws need an persistent system, and chroot into the live? |
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| 14:16.07 | petn-randall | Agiofws: Common USB sticks are painfully slow and not really usable as a system. Unless you're fine with booting 15+ minutes to the desktop. |
| 14:16.14 | Agiofws | Installer did not give me an option. For one at least net installer |
| 14:16.28 | Agiofws | Legasy bios |
| 14:16.40 | tarantul | Ppl! If I want build package with pbuilder, should I have orig.tar.gz ? |
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| 14:16.52 | simbalion | Does the dist-upgrade to stretch from jessie run "mysql-upgrade" to update the database for mariadb? |
| 14:17.06 | petn-randall | tarantul: yes, it helps to have the source code if you want to build a package. |
| 14:17.14 | Haohmaru | petn-randall, i recently installed 32bit debian 8.8 with lxde onto a usb stick.. it takes less than 15 minutes to reach the desktop |
| 14:17.41 | petn-randall | Haohmaru: Is it a common USB stick, or did you pay more than 20$ for it? |
| 14:17.59 | Haohmaru | a cheap one |
| 14:18.09 | Agiofws | I payed 10 euros for it but |
| 14:18.11 | greycat | wonders why you'd put a "desktop" on such a thing |
| 14:18.21 | Agiofws | Still it should boot into grub |
| 14:18.33 | Haohmaru | greycat, because the thing couldn't have a hard disk |
| 14:18.49 | greycat | Agiofws: maybe you should manually partition the thing outside of the installer, so you have all the tools you want |
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| 14:19.19 | Agiofws | Can you give me a schematic? |
| 14:19.35 | Agiofws | How many partitions what is? |
| 14:19.50 | Agiofws | What fs? |
| 14:20.08 | greycat | dos partition label, leave 1 MB or more at the beginning (don't start the partition at byte 0, leave space for an MBR), make one partition that spans the rest of the device, and use that as / |
| 14:20.15 | greycat | no swap space, because swapping to this device is the last thing you ever want |
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| 14:20.44 | Haohmaru | Agiofws, when you partitioned the usb stick - did you have the B flag on the partition which should be bootable? |
| 14:20.54 | Haohmaru | or did you left it without |
| 14:21.03 | Haohmaru | and which version of debian did you try |
| 14:21.10 | Agiofws | Does cfdisk or fdisk give me an option for dos partition |
| 14:21.20 | potentialfedora | unless you have some very old system then swapping is ok, right? |
| 14:21.25 | Agiofws | Yes I did |
| 14:21.36 | greycat | potentialfedora: we're talking about a commodity $10 USB stick |
| 14:21.41 | Agiofws | Debian 9 |
| 14:22.03 | potentialfedora | oh |
| 14:22.03 | greycat | (or â¬10) |
| 14:22.05 | Haohmaru | i had issues with debian 8.5 iirc, the installation did not ask me where to put grub, and decided to put it onto the wrong usb stick i guess (the one where the actual live iso runs from) |
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| 14:22.20 | Haohmaru | but debian 8.8 live installation asked, and it worke |
| 14:22.23 | Haohmaru | ..d |
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| 14:22.52 | Agiofws | So 2 partitions? |
| 14:23.03 | greycat | What are you going to use the second one for? |
| 14:23.10 | Agiofws | Is dos a filesystem? |
| 14:23.17 | greycat | ....... |
| 14:23.20 | greycat | why me |
| 14:23.36 | Agiofws | For the root installation |
| 14:23.42 | Agiofws | / |
| 14:23.58 | Agiofws | And the first for grub? |
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| 14:24.08 | greycat | In parted, the "mklabel" command takes an argument for the type of disklabel (partition table format). Options include "msdos" and "gpt" and a bunch of other, weird things. |
| 14:24.37 | greycat | I don't know what the cfdisk or fdisk analogous commands are. |
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| 14:25.04 | tarantul | petn-randall: How I can build a package if I get source from git? I want build package without generating orig.tar.gz and *.dsc files. Is it possible? |
| 14:25.32 | petn-randall | tarantul: With what command are you currently building it? |
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| 14:25.50 | Agiofws | Gfeycat one partition but not starting from 0 byte? |
| 14:25.59 | greycat | Yes, that's what I said. |
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| 14:26.22 | greycat | That's how it normally works with msdos disklabels. |
| 14:26.31 | Agiofws | How do I get a dos partition on it though? |
| 14:26.43 | greycat | You don't. |
| 14:26.47 | Agiofws | Mkfs.msdos? |
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| 14:27.04 | Agiofws | ? |
| 14:27.05 | greycat | msdos or dos is the name of the DISKLABEL aka the PARTITION TABLE TYPE |
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| 14:27.22 | greycat | I NEVER said to create a fat/vfat/ntfs FILE SYSTEM. |
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| 14:27.38 | Agiofws | Ok and how do I set the partition table type? |
| 14:27.50 | greycat | In parted, it's "mklabel msdos". |
| 14:27.59 | greycat | I don't know the analogous commands for cfdisk or fdisk. |
| 14:28.01 | potentialfedora | there is an option in gparted to do that |
| 14:29.04 | Agiofws | And after that make a partition starting from further that the first MB? |
| 14:29.31 | potentialfedora | yes else there is no space for grub |
| 14:30.41 | jrmu | ls |
| 14:31.29 | jrmu | sorry, ignore, typo |
| 14:32.02 | petn-randall | dpkg: ls |
| 14:32.03 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
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| 14:32.11 | petn-randall | jrmu: :) |
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| 14:33.56 | shtrb | petn wtf ? |
| 14:34.17 | potentialfedora | is dpkg a bot? |
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| 14:34.24 | tarantul | petn-randall: pdebuild |
| 14:34.25 | greycat | dpkg, what are you |
| 14:34.26 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>. |
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| 14:34.40 | jrmu | petn-randall: yeah sorry for typing in the wrong window. although I think it's dir on windows |
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| 14:35.20 | tarantul | petn-randall: I try pdebuild, but currently I have no one success build |
| 14:35.30 | shtrb | greycat , where can I get that exchange 1 usd to 1 euro ? |
| 14:35.44 | sonOfRa | dpkg: do you pass the turing test? |
| 14:35.44 | dpkg | eagerly does you pass the turing test |
| 14:35.56 | sonOfRa | aw. |
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| 14:38.02 | potentialfedora | dpkg, what is your dream |
| 14:38.02 | dpkg | potentialfedora: what are you talking about? |
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| 14:38.53 | greycat | !dream |
| 14:38.53 | dpkg | rolls over and envisions being hosted on the MCR cluster in LLNL with a load of 1 |
| 14:39.01 | huwjr | hia - anyone run into an issue running cirrus on ubuntu 16.04.2 specifically? seems to be setting the wrong console at boot and iâm unsure as to the proper fix |
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| 14:39.22 | greycat | huwjr: sounds like a question for #ubuntu |
| 14:39.34 | huwjr | woops! |
| 14:39.40 | vista | Hey, I appear to have made a complete mess of my packages, specifically in the gcc/cpp areas after my half-assed attempt at updating my kernel |
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| 14:40.01 | galex-713 | petn-randall, re |
| 14:40.06 | vista | is there any simple way of returning my installed packages to a sane state? |
| 14:40.15 | vista | or should I start preparing a debian ISO |
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| 14:40.39 | greycat | vista: what did you break, exactly? |
| 14:40.42 | abrotman | vista: we'd need more info on "mess" |
| 14:41.05 | vista | I am trying to install linux-headers-4.9.0-3-amd64 at the moment |
| 14:41.53 | vista | I get the message "Depends: linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 but it is not going to be installed. E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." |
| 14:42.11 | vista | trying to install that leads to "Depends: gcc-6 ..." |
| 14:42.13 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 14:42.13 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 14:42.28 | petn-randall | vista: Can you provide *all* info from dpkg's factoid above? |
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| 14:43.06 | vista | sure thing |
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| 14:44.35 | galex-713 | petn-randall, so how can there be a password problem for a password-less AP, and how can there be an SSID typo if I never wrote it with my keyboard but just used the mouse? |
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| 14:44.57 | vista | here is the paste: http://paste.debian.net/977331/ |
| 14:45.02 | vista | it's a mess, I know |
| 14:45.28 | vista | there must be packages on my system from 3 different sources |
| 14:45.49 | galex-713 | afaik debian donât support different sources from debian |
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| 14:46.14 | galex-713 | yet maybe it depends from how much of the system maybe, or how much libs come from non-debian sources |
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| 14:46.53 | vista | the mirror.atw.co.hu ones are just debian mirrors hosted by my VPS provider |
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| 14:47.47 | petn-randall | vista: I'd just reinstall |
| 14:47.49 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 14:47.51 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 14:47.56 | vista | yeah, that's the plan |
| 14:48.43 | petn-randall | vista: You've got jessie, jessie-backports and unstable, security-updates from stretch, and random Ubuntu PPAs in there. $deity knows what state your system is in. |
| 14:49.43 | vista | blame the random Ubuntu PPA on the !$&£# that is Ansible |
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| 14:53.26 | petn-randall | vista: I'm guessing your system is a third of jessie, stretch and unstable. Especially if it's an libc6 issue. |
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| 14:53.52 | vista | yup |
| 14:54.01 | galex-713 | petn-randall, no idea? |
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| 14:54.15 | petn-randall | galex-713: Sorry, no. |
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| 14:55.18 | galex-713 | :/ |
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| 14:55.36 | galex-713 | petn-randall, an idea of where I could ask? where I could find people who know more about wifi? |
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| 14:55.52 | galex-713 | #linux? some debian mailing-list? is there a network-manager channel? |
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| 14:57.13 | petn-randall | galex-713: In here maybe? You just need to be a little patient. |
| 14:57.40 | Agiofws | potentialfedora: so if choose to install grub onto a extra partition it didn't install grub onto the USB even if I choose Dev/USB? |
| 14:58.04 | Agiofws | Dev/sdb |
| 14:58.24 | galex-713 | petn-randall, do people really read backlog here? |
| 14:58.35 | greycat | You don't install GRUB into a partition in the msdos universe. You install it onto a *device*. The first few hundred bytes of the device are called the "MBR". It's raw. Primitive. |
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| 15:11.10 | Agiofws | And how would I know if the / installation started from 0 byte or not? |
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| 15:11.52 | greycat | By looking at the friggin' partition table in whatever tool you are using. |
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| 15:12.34 | greycat | Either fdisk -l, or parted -l, or the analogous invocation of whatever you are using. |
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| 15:13.00 | greycat | (Or various internal commands to print the partition table as is, while you are inside one of them, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.) |
| 15:13.56 | galex-713 | also Iâm still searching how to send smses from debian when I have a gsm modem inside my computer |
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| 15:16.40 | David_Hedlund | Can I show hidden files in the Desktop? |
| 15:16.54 | David_Hedlund | on the Desktop* |
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| 15:28.42 | BluesKaj | David_Hedlund, which DE? |
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| 15:30.04 | David_Hedlund | BluesKaj: GNOME but the don't answer in #gnome |
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| 15:30.53 | marilynp | might be OT |
| 15:30.55 | marilynp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:31.10 | BluesKaj | David_Hedlund, dunno much about gnome...think hidden files are hidden for a good reason...clutter on the desktop |
| 15:31.11 | marilynp | google search yeilds no fixes |
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| 15:32.08 | abrotman | might need the gnome-tweak-tool |
| 15:32.08 | BluesKaj | David_Hedlund, and they aren't used very much |
| 15:32.58 | petn-randall | marilynp: Why might it be OT? What are you trying to do? etc. |
| 15:32.59 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 15:33.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 15:33.35 | petn-randall | marilynp: It makes sense to at least provide enough context so people understand what you're talking about. |
| 15:34.10 | marilynp | get some facebook games working in firefox 54.0 |
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| 15:34.36 | marilynp | Context3D not available! Possible reasons: wrong wmode or missing device support. |
| 15:34.38 | petn-randall | marilynp: And where is this error showing up? |
| 15:34.44 | marilynp | is the error when running the game |
| 15:34.57 | petn-randall | marilynp: The error shows up on the web page? |
| 15:34.59 | marilynp | in facebook |
| 15:35.02 | marilynp | yes |
| 15:35.42 | David_Hedlund | abrotman: Thank you. Its not in gnome-tweak-tool either. There should really be an option to show hidden files on the Desktop though. |
| 15:36.16 | marilynp | cleared cache and lfash cache |
| 15:36.23 | marilynp | still same issue |
| 15:36.24 | petn-randall | marilynp: From a quick google search this is due to Adobe flash not being installed. |
| 15:36.43 | marilynp | have installed flashplugin-installer |
| 15:36.52 | petn-randall | ,v flashplugin-installer |
| 15:36.53 | judd | No package named 'flashplugin-installer' was found in amd64. |
| 15:37.00 | marilynp | flash player is showing in about:pluggins |
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| 15:37.21 | petn-randall | marilynp: Then your only hope is to ask whoever made the game to fix it. |
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| 15:37.34 | jrmu | I installed sudo, then ran visudo and uncommented the sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL line, ran adduser <nick> sudo, then logged out and back in again, verified that `groups` outputs sudo, and still can't use sudo because my user is not in the sudoers file |
| 15:38.20 | dTal | marilynp: when you say google yields no fixes, did you try the first result for "context3d" which suggests that it's a conflict between the particular version of Flash and Firefox? |
| 15:38.30 | BluesKaj | jrmu, you have to be root to adduser to sudo |
| 15:38.35 | jrmu | it's easy for me to add an extra line specifically for my user but does anyone know why adding my user to the sudo group doesn't work? |
| 15:38.38 | petn-randall | jrmu: It's not commented. '%sudo' applies to the group sudo, as opposed to 'sudo [...]' which applies to the user sudo. |
| 15:38.41 | dTal | https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1115022 |
| 15:38.48 | jrmu | BluesKaj: all this is being run as root |
| 15:39.36 | jrmu | petn-randall: Oh! ok, so by deleting the %, I made sudo think it was for the user 'sudo' rather than the group sudo |
| 15:39.36 | jrmu | thanks, let me put that % back in |
| 15:39.50 | DammitJim | I don't even know where to ask this question, but here it goes... what do I need to do to ensure a service is not in the middle of an action so that if I reboot it, the service gets all messed up |
| 15:40.18 | DammitJim | so, the service I'm talking about deals with a java service wrapper that runs jobs on a scheduled basis |
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| 15:40.29 | somiaj | you shoudln't have to do anything, a proper shutdown should ask the service to shutdown, which means that your shutdown/reboot will wait until the service completes its process and shuts down. |
| 15:40.34 | DammitJim | it seems that the last time I rebooted the server, one of those jobs got all messed up |
| 15:40.41 | jrmu | petn-randall: fixed, thank you |
| 15:40.42 | bezaban | DammitJim: the service will be shut down by the init script (or systemd unit), which should cleanly exit |
| 15:40.52 | somiaj | DammitJim: is this a service that has a unit file or a cron job? |
| 15:40.55 | bezaban | if there is none, write one :) |
| 15:41.00 | DammitJim | so, maybe I have a problem with this java service wrapper? |
| 15:41.23 | somiaj | the shutdown script for the service should know to wait for it to complete any action before shutting it down. |
| 15:41.34 | DammitJim | somiaj, unit file... |
| 15:41.41 | petn-randall | jrmu: you're welcome! |
| 15:41.52 | somiaj | unit file, look at the options DammitJim, there should be some |
| 15:42.07 | marilynp | dTal: yes i have read that i wondered if you very knowledgable guys knew of a fix! i see there is a bug report and that i should be a little patient |
| 15:42.07 | DammitJim | yeah, now I think I can see this more clearly... there is something about this java service wrapper and the application that runs these jobs where there is a disconnect |
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| 15:42.36 | DammitJim | I also thought it would be ridiculous that I would need to watch every single service to make sure it wasn't "doing anything" so that I can restart the service |
| 15:42.40 | DammitJim | restart the server* |
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| 15:50.17 | marilynp | dTal: seems to work in chromium lets hope fireofx and adobe flash fix the the issue for others soon |
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| 15:51.24 | nicechap | hi, what is the easiest way to install vlc 3 (or newer) on my debian stretch? |
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| 15:51.33 | jhutchins | DammitJim: WE don't deal with the kill command as much as we used to, but what you're looking at is the difference between a kill -15 which is a clean shutdown, refuse new requests and complete existing processes, close files cleanly, and a kill -9 which stops the process now, no matter what it's doing. |
| 15:51.34 | nicechap | googling didnt really help me much |
| 15:52.12 | jhutchins | DammitJim: A proper shutdown uses the TERM signal and waits for a clean exit. |
| 15:52.27 | jhutchins | ,v vlc |
| 15:52.29 | judd | Package: vlc on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-backports: 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 2.2.4-1~deb8u1; jessie: 2.2.5-1~deb8u1; stretch: 2.2.6-1~deb9u1; sid: 2.2.6-3; buster: 2.2.6-3; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo3+deb7u2; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.2.1-dmo3+deb8u3; stretch-multimedia: 1:2.2.6-dmo2; sid-multimedia: |
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| 15:52.30 | judd | 1:2.2.6-dmo4; buster-multimedia: 1:2.2.6-dmo4 |
| 15:52.55 | jhutchins | nicechap: What does 3 have that you need? |
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| 15:53.20 | nicechap | well, the reason is that I want to stream my videos to chromecast |
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| 15:53.55 | jhutchins | nicechap: Current release appears to be 2.2.6 |
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| 15:54.03 | nicechap | I tried python tool, but the videos stutter a lot (Pat-Carter/stream2chromecast) |
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| 15:54.41 | petn-randall | nicechap: Given that VLC v3 isn't even released yet, I doubt you'll find it in Debian any time soon. |
| 15:54.47 | nicechap | jhutchins: I downloaded the source but it looks scary |
| 15:54.58 | nicechap | not daring to compile |
| 15:55.06 | jhutchins | Where from? The VLC page has 2.2.6 |
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| 15:55.56 | nicechap | https://github.com/videolan/vlc |
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| 15:56.54 | petn-randall | nicechap: Even there I don't see a 3.0 release. |
| 15:57.05 | nicechap | >300mb I believe |
| 15:57.32 | nicechap | uhh crap, maybe I read it wrong |
| 15:58.14 | nicechap | indeed, my bad |
| 15:58.18 | assassinpinapple | hello everyone. I have a debian jessie on a FDE, and I am wondering how may I go to install another debian in the same hard disk without having to set up another LVM. Couldn't find much by searching, any hint is welcome! |
| 15:58.19 | nicechap | the version I had didnt work |
| 15:58.29 | nicechap | and read a web link too quickly |
| 15:58.33 | petn-randall | nicechap: They might be preparing a 3.0 release in the master branch, but there are good chances it doesn't even compile yet. |
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| 15:58.48 | nicechap | let me retry the command |
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| 15:59.33 | Trel | Is there a way to install debian with the text mode installer WITHOUT downloading upgrades (from the netinst version), like a command line switch or something. I want to assign IP information and such, but don't want to download the updates as part of the install process. |
| 16:00.07 | jhutchins | nicechap: Unless you plan to work on developing it, 2.2.6 is what you want to run. |
| 16:00.14 | jrmu | is there a wiki page somewhere with some quick tips on how to reduce power consumption on laptops? |
| 16:00.40 | dondelelcaro | Trel: in the netinst, you'll have to install some packages from the net which generally means installing updates as well |
| 16:00.43 | nicechap | so I run this, $ vlc --sout="#chromecast{ip=192.168.0.17}" video.mkv |
| 16:00.45 | jhutchins | Trel: What are you trying to accomplish by avoiding the updates? |
| 16:00.56 | nicechap | and I get... core stream output error: stream chain failed for `chromecast{ip=192.168.0.17}' |
| 16:01.08 | nicechap | I know that this is the IP address where ccast runs |
| 16:02.00 | jrmu | if there was a simple command to run to reduce the processor performance, that would probably be good enough |
| 16:02.02 | Trel | dondelelcaro, it's not necessary because I can get what I need completely offline (with netinst). jhutchins, my goal is to quickly build out and configure a base image without having to wait. I can do the updates after I configure everything. |
| 16:03.10 | jhutchins | Trel: I don't run the installer very often, but iirc the netinst pulls the latest version from the net, it doesn't do a separate update step except possibly for the packages it installs from the image rather than from the net. |
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| 16:03.55 | jhutchins | Trel: If you're doing multiple machines and don't want to wait for downloads, use a full install image and say no when it asks to update. |
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| 16:04.45 | petn-randall | Trel: If you want to install offline, there are complete DVD sets for that. But maybe you want to tell us about the bigger picture first. |
| 16:05.20 | ssarah | on a new debian server machine, what do u do to avoid all the locale problems? |
| 16:05.35 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 16:05.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:05.36 | Trel | petn-randall, I want to install offline with the netinst disc. That's the whole picture. It installs enough of what I need for a QUICK test machine. |
| 16:05.37 | ssarah | i'm in portugal, so i usually get a lot of locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 16:05.39 | petn-randall | ssarah: ^^^ |
| 16:05.43 | Trel | And is nice and small |
| 16:05.53 | Trel | But I need to wait for the update step to time out which wastes time. |
| 16:05.59 | dondelelcaro | Trel: if you don't select a mirror, it won't try to do updates. |
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| 16:06.46 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, it shouldn't. It also won't configure sources.list, but presumably that's what you want too) |
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| 16:06.53 | ssarah | before i put LC_ALL=C somewhere to fix it, but i'm reading in the docs that's not recommended, is there a good practice |
| 16:06.58 | ssarah | ? |
| 16:07.04 | Trel | dondelelcaro, that could work I'll give that a shot. |
| 16:07.13 | dondelelcaro | ssarah: you should just dpkg-reconfigure locales; and build the correct locales |
| 16:07.16 | assassinpinapple | ssarah, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locale? |
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| 16:07.38 | ssarah | i want it to be non-interactive |
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| 16:07.44 | ssarah | is there way? |
| 16:07.56 | Trel | I'm about to build a test VM in a few moments, I'll let you know if that worked. |
| 16:07.58 | mr__tea | there is always a way |
| 16:08.04 | ssarah | hehe |
| 16:09.06 | dondelelcaro | ssarah: yes, put them in /etc/locale.gen, and run locale-gen |
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| 16:09.20 | dondelelcaro | ssarah: man locale.gen locale-gen; for details |
| 16:09.38 | dondelelcaro | ssarah: you can see that from /var/lib/dpkg/info/locales.config |
| 16:09.53 | dondelelcaro | (which is the script that dpkg-reconfigure locales; actually runs) |
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| 16:10.54 | ssarah | dondelelcaro, is C / POSIX a valid locale there? Can't find them on the list of commented locales. |
| 16:11.15 | dondelelcaro | ssarah: C is the default locale of the C library. It's not a locale, per-se. |
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| 16:11.52 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, that's what I remember; it's possible it has some other meaning) |
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| 16:12.21 | dondelelcaro | ssarah: but man setlocale; for details about that and where it is defined |
| 16:12.25 | petn-randall | ssarah: Can you show us an example of the errors you get? |
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| 16:14.27 | ssarah | https://www.pastiebin.com/5970d6e02aee8 |
| 16:14.49 | ssarah | i find that in all new machines after an install they end up with these kind of problems |
| 16:15.26 | assassinpinapple | hello everyone. I have a debian jessie on a FDE, and I am wondering how may I go to install another debian in the same hard disk without having to set up another LVM. Couldn't find much by searching, any hint is welcome! |
| 16:15.27 | dondelelcaro | ssarah: that's because during the install, you didn't have pt_PT.UTF-8 built, and instead had the default locale set to en_US.UTF-8 |
| 16:15.34 | petn-randall | ssarah: Are you logging in via SSH? |
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| 16:15.52 | ssarah | nope |
| 16:15.55 | ssarah | ah wait |
| 16:15.56 | ssarah | yes |
| 16:15.57 | ssarah | its a vm |
| 16:16.13 | dondelelcaro | ssarah: so yeah, since it's a VM, you'll have to build that locale. |
| 16:16.20 | dondelelcaro | or install the locales-all package |
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| 16:17.06 | jhutchins | assassinpinapple: You will have to create at least one new partition for the new install. |
| 16:17.17 | jhutchins | assassinpinapple: No need to use LVM if you don't want to. |
| 16:17.51 | jhutchins | assassinpinapple: If your swap partition is unencrypted, you can share it. |
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| 16:18.36 | assassinpinapple | jhutchins, nope, swap is encrypted. And it would be nice to share data anyway, as I'm the only user. No way to stuff the new install into the existing encrypted disk? |
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| 16:19.49 | petn-randall | ssarah: You're seeing that error because you SSH client is setting the locale to pt_PT.UTF-8, but it doesn't exist on the VM. You simply need to generate it, or change the locale on your local system. |
| 16:20.00 | assassinpinapple | In case that is not possible, when I'm asked where to install the GRUB I'd just do it on the same disk as the first one or should I prepare a partition for it? |
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| 16:20.28 | ssarah | how about i just set LC_ALL="C" in /etc/default/locale ? |
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| 16:20.49 | ssarah | good idea?bad idea? |
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| 16:23.13 | Trel | dondelelcaro, it still did |
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| 16:26.54 | ssarah | it seems happy if i just do that |
| 16:27.21 | ssarah | "Using LC_ALL is strongly discouraged as it overrides everything. Please use it only when testing and never set it in a startup file." <- the docs say this, tho |
| 16:27.56 | petn-randall | ssarah: Usually your best bet is to generate your (or simply all) locales. |
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| 16:29.46 | ssarah | petn-randall, ok, so how about this? I just set LANG=C and nothing else and then install that locales-all package ? |
| 16:29.55 | ssarah | this would be a good policy? |
| 16:30.43 | petn-randall | ssarah: It should be enough to just install locales-all, no further steps needed. |
| 16:31.22 | ssarah | well, if someone else sets LANG for me it would be annoying. |
| 16:31.30 | ssarah | thanks a bunch :) |
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| 16:36.59 | Masterphi | Would this tutorial also work with debian? https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/automatic-updates.html#update-notifications |
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| 16:39.38 | mutante | Masterphi: https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
| 16:40.08 | mutante | so i would say "probably yea" |
| 16:40.44 | Masterphi | pretty similar eh |
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| 16:41.44 | Masterphi | the commands seem to be the exact same, just the package name is different? |
| 16:42.32 | Masterphi | I have a few ubuntu machines, and a few debian ones. I'm trying to document instructions to set this up for both (hoping there's little difference between each other) |
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| 16:43.08 | mutante | Masterphi: i think even the package name is the same |
| 16:43.28 | Masterphi | on debian> apt-get install unattended-upgrades apt-listchanges |
| 16:43.38 | mutante | Masterphi: given that Ubuntu almost everything from Debian.. there should not be a big difference.. i would be surprised if there was |
| 16:43.44 | Masterphi | oih you're right |
| 16:44.31 | Masterphi | heh |
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| 16:44.59 | Masterphi | ubuntu on ec2 already comes with those files in apt.conf.d |
| 16:45.04 | Masterphi | neat |
| 16:45.12 | petn-randall | ssarah: The LC_* vars are set by your SSH client on login. |
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| 16:46.49 | mutante | Masterphi: time to just make them all Debian :) |
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| 16:49.32 | Masterphi | mutante: if it was up to me, it would be priority 1 at the moment |
| 16:49.52 | Masterphi | i've seen some ec2 ubuntu instances becoming zombie for no apparent reason |
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| 16:52.34 | mutante | Masterphi: gotcha:) good luck, laters |
| 16:52.50 | Masterphi | :+1: |
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| 17:16.09 | kankusht | good afternoon |
| 17:16.10 | assassinpinapple | hello everyone. I have a debian jessie on a FDE, and I am wondering how may I go to install another debian in the same hard disk without having to set up another LVM. Couldn't find much by searching, any hint is welcome! |
| 17:16.33 | kankusht | Does anyone know how to download asterisk? |
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| 17:18.14 | nkuttler | kankusht: what do you mean? |
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| 17:19.15 | vlt | kankusht: Does `apt install asterisk` do what you need? |
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| 17:19.59 | kankusht | I'm setting up a linux pbx server and I need to download asterisk, but what I found on the website was asteriskNOW. Is that the same asterisk? |
| 17:20.16 | nkuttler | the website? |
| 17:20.40 | kankusht | yes, the official asterisk website |
| 17:20.45 | nkuttler | kankusht: anyway, you're using debian. apt-get install what you want |
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| 17:21.08 | kankusht | actually I'm using fedora |
| 17:21.16 | greycat | Then you are in the wrong channel. |
| 17:22.09 | kankusht | I'm sorry |
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| 17:23.42 | jmcnaught | assassinpinapple: are you looking to shrink the partition that your luks/dm-crypt volume is on to make more room for it, or are you trying to install a second Debian system to the same LVM volume group inside that encrypted volume? |
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| 17:24.15 | assassinpinapple | jmcnaught, I'd like to do the second one |
| 17:24.27 | assassinpinapple | Shrinking the partition seems easy enough |
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| 17:25.09 | jmcnaught | shrinking the partition was the first one⦠you're already getting confused this is a bad idea |
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| 17:27.16 | assassinpinapple | jmcnaught, I know it's the first one, that is what I meant. I'd like to do the second one, as the first one was easy enough not to bother you with questions on how to do it =) |
| 17:28.33 | jmcnaught | anyways to make room inside the LVM volume group, you will need to shrink at least one of your logical volumes. The order you generally do this is 0. Test that your backups work 1. resize the filesystem residing on the LV with resize2fs or similar 2. resize the LV with lvreduce |
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| 17:29.42 | assassinpinapple | And then to install the other debian I shall proceed normally? I've never installed into an encrypted LVM |
| 17:29.49 | jmcnaught | still⦠/boot is usually outside of the LVM volume group (on a regular partition), so to avoid confusion there you will probably want to label both the current install's /boot and the new /boot's filesystem |
| 17:29.55 | kankusht | I have another question, this time is debian related stuff :) |
| 17:30.21 | jmcnaught | honestly i wouldn't install a second debian system. if i wanted access to a second debian system, i would create a container or virtual machine |
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| 17:30.52 | assassinpinapple | I can't make a virtual machine, my pc doesn't support it (and would anyway run out of resources) |
| 17:30.59 | kankusht | how can I search for the newest repository on the terminal? |
| 17:31.10 | kankusht | repositories* |
| 17:31.15 | petn-randall | kankusht: The newest repository of what? |
| 17:31.27 | petn-randall | kankusht: Try explaining what you're trying to achieve. |
| 17:31.37 | kankusht | of any package I need |
| 17:31.44 | jmcnaught | assassinpinapple: another option is install your second Debian to a USB stick or other removable drive |
| 17:31.51 | kankusht | for example obs -studio |
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| 17:32.41 | assassinpinapple | jmcnaught, that could be another option, it's just slower to always run an OS on a stick |
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| 17:33.27 | kankusht | I mean, is it possible to search repositories in the terminal? |
| 17:33.42 | greycat | apt-cache search, or apt search, or something something aptitude |
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| 17:36.16 | jmcnaught | assassinpinapple: what's the reason for the second Debian install? |
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| 17:36.59 | assassinpinapple | jmcnaught, I'd like it to use some newer version of packages |
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| 17:37.58 | petn-randall | assassinpinapple: Then a chroot might be all you need. |
| 17:38.08 | assassinpinapple | while I like stability, sometimes it's nice to peek at some more edgy things. |
| 17:38.26 | petn-randall | assassinpinapple: Have you checked stable-backports? |
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| 17:38.31 | themill | !schroot |
| 17:38.31 | dpkg | schroot is an easy way of setting up a <chroot> in a way that can be treated as a session. If desired, modification to the chroot can be prevented using overlayfs or LVM snapshots, making it very convenient for building packages or simply running packages from other releases with minimal containment. See https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot and http://linuxgazette.net/150/kapil.html |
| 17:39.10 | assassinpinapple | yes, but for some like uzbl there are heavy requirements (I'm with jessie now) |
| 17:39.31 | assassinpinapple | I'll try with chroot then, thanks! |
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| 17:40.01 | petn-randall | assassinpinapple: Then maybe upgrade to stretch? It's already released quite a while, and it's surely stable enough for desktop usage. |
| 17:40.34 | `Kevin | ^ upgrade or use a container |
| 17:41.04 | assassinpinapple | I know, I should give it a try, I just fear the dist-upgrade and a backup takes a bit of time |
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| 17:41.12 | jmcnaught | assassinpinapple: FYI that web browser probably doesn't get security updates in Debian. Look for the note about "Security status of web browsers" in both the jessie and stretch release notes |
| 17:41.12 | assassinpinapple | I'll try with schroot first, seems quicker |
| 17:41.49 | assassinpinapple | mmhm, that is too bad, as it's a very comfy browser |
| 17:42.07 | jmcnaught | firefox-esr and chromium are the browsers with security support |
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| 17:42.26 | assassinpinapple | I know, but they are also way more resource hungry |
| 17:42.29 | jmcnaught | all other browsers are "only use for safe content" which excludes the public internet |
| 17:42.58 | petn-randall | assassinpinapple: "resource hungry" will become irrelevant if your machine is infected with malware. |
| 17:43.11 | themill | tbh, all web browsers should probably have that warning |
| 17:43.33 | teraflops | a container looks like a good solution, I'm not talking about security obv. |
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| 17:44.33 | `Kevin | its a good solution you just need to sort out the X stuff if you are looking todo a browser or something |
| 17:44.38 | `Kevin | `gui` |
| 17:45.08 | teraflops | yeah but that's not a problem |
| 17:45.10 | assassinpinapple | petn-randall, I'm using this older browsers in a firejail environment, it should be enough to confine the issue? |
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| 17:48.31 | petn-randall | assassinpinapple: I've never looked at firejail, so I can't say much about it. |
| 17:48.47 | assassinpinapple | I see, thanks anyway for your kind suggestions |
| 17:49.01 | nomadic | Hello, how can I set my wireless device to use an specific module? |
| 17:49.01 | assassinpinapple | I'll try chrooting the whole thing up! |
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| 17:49.24 | assassinpinapple | nomadic, iwconfig ? |
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| 17:49.47 | nomadic | assassinpinapple, it doesn't show my wireless device. |
| 17:50.15 | assassinpinapple | ifconfig -a ? |
| 17:50.29 | nomadic | assassinpinapple, nor iwconfig, nor ifconfig and ip link... |
| 17:50.40 | nomadic | the modules are not gettin' loaded... |
| 17:50.41 | greycat | If you have a wireless NIC and it's not showing up, usually it means you need some non-free firmware. |
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| 17:51.00 | assassinpinapple | what wifi card have you got? |
| 17:51.39 | Bsadowski1 | Hmm, shared clipboard doesn't seem to work in VirtualBox for Debian >< |
| 17:52.09 | nomadic | assassinpinapple, Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico 2] |
| 17:52.50 | themill | do you have firmware-iwlwifi installed? |
| 17:53.01 | nomadic | greycat, the necessary modules are on the /lib/modules directory, but when I load them with modprobe, the device does not appear either... |
| 17:53.13 | greycat | nomadic: sudo dmesg | grep -i firmware |
| 17:53.23 | greycat | But I'd also listen to themill. |
| 17:54.30 | themill | or more likely firmware-ipw2x00 in this case |
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| 17:55.00 | greycat | The firmware errors from dmesg will usually contain a filename, and then you can ask judd which package has that file, and install it. |
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| 17:55.32 | judd | waves |
| 17:55.36 | greycat | And maybe pick up the intel-microcode package too, if this is an Intel CPU, while you're at it |
| 17:55.41 | nomadic | themill, no, I havent installed that package |
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| 17:56.21 | nomadic | but the ipw2200.ko module is in my /lib/modules/${kernel_version} dir |
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| 17:56.32 | themill | we're not talking about modules |
| 17:56.43 | nomadic | uhm... |
| 17:56.48 | greycat | Firmware is in separate packages from kernel modules. |
| 17:57.02 | nomadic | oh, ok! |
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| 17:57.29 | nomadic | I'll checkout then with those packages installed! thanks! |
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| 17:58.04 | greycat | cf. http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39 |
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| 17:59.11 | nomadic | I thought modules and firmware were almost the same thing... |
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| 18:03.55 | nkuttler | nomadic: not at all. most firmware is non-free |
| 18:06.10 | greycat | Non-free firmware is a blob of opaque machine code bytes provided by the device manufacturer. Nobody knows what it does, except that it's required to make the device operate. |
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| 18:07.36 | petn-randall | nomadic: Firmware is machine code that runs *on the device*, not on your CPU. |
| 18:07.39 | greycat | Free firmware (yes, there is some) is a blob of machine code bytes that were produced by someone with the actual source code, and can be fixed if need be. |
| 18:08.15 | Trel | Ok, I give up. When using the live installer (in text-mode) how do I avoid installing a gui? |
| 18:08.20 | petn-randall | Though there's even firmware for CPUs nowadays, so my description might not be accurate ... |
| 18:08.46 | nomadic | Oh ok, I get it... And the modules I suppose its like a bridge to make that firmware oparate with the OS? |
| 18:08.47 | petn-randall | Trel: Use the official installer? The live installer is tech preview last time I checked. |
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| 18:09.01 | greycat | The live installers still have open bugs. |
| 18:09.02 | Trel | What is the official single disk installer? |
| 18:09.10 | Trel | That's NOT netinst |
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| 18:09.16 | greycat | Trel: with or without non.... oh well screw that. |
| 18:09.27 | greycat | Why would you NOT want a netinst if you are installing GUI-less? |
| 18:09.56 | Trel | Because there's no net... |
| 18:10.11 | greycat | So, you're just going to play hunt the wumpus all day? |
| 18:10.13 | Trel | or at least not one it can access right away |
| 18:10.20 | petn-randall | Trel: Then pick the full DVDs. |
| 18:10.25 | themill | the netinst doesn't require a network to complete |
| 18:10.35 | Trel | themill, if you want an SSH server it does |
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| 18:10.42 | Trel | petn-randall, I've yet to find that. |
| 18:10.54 | Trel | I see a three DVD set |
| 18:11.15 | themill | you have, of course, looked at docs that say you don't need all 3 |
| 18:11.18 | greycat | Why in the hell are you installing an ssh server a computer with no network? |
| 18:11.31 | Trel | greycat, not no network, no internet connection |
| 18:11.40 | Trel | aka, no way to get to Debian's server to get packages |
| 18:11.57 | greycat | Then the official answer is to use DVD #1. |
| 18:12.05 | greycat | And you have my pity. |
| 18:12.09 | petn-randall | Trel: Maybe describe what you want to achieve then? Because you're constantly moving the goal post. |
| 18:12.38 | petn-randall | Like, why is there no internet during installation, but later there is? |
| 18:12.41 | Trel | petn-randall, where did I change from what I first said (not my earlier question from a couple of hours ago) |
| 18:12.50 | Trel | petn-randall, there's NEVER an internet connection. |
| 18:12.58 | Trel | there is however a network connection |
| 18:13.13 | themill | So you've already got DVD1 going, yes? |
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| 18:14.15 | petn-randall | Trel: At first you said you need no GUI, then you said you don't have internet during installation, then you mentioned you need SSH ... |
| 18:14.17 | themill | The DVDs are designed for offline installation, with more on each one depending on how much you want to install. There's still a good chance you could want something that's not on the DVD, of course. At that stage, you want a local mirror or a proxy |
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| 18:14.46 | Trel | petn-randall, all of those things are still true. |
| 18:15.04 | petn-randall | Trel: yeah, you just didn't mention them from the start. |
| 18:15.05 | themill | Trel: drip-feeding the requirements doesn't make helpers love you |
| 18:15.09 | mutante | Trel: what is the actual problem? no dvd drive? |
| 18:15.26 | greycat | I'm assuming a "cluster" on an isolated internal network. |
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| 18:15.40 | greycat | Too bad he won't just tell us and forestall the guessing. |
| 18:15.54 | themill | pity there are tools that could help with that if that were the case |
| 18:16.04 | Trel | My original question covered exactly what I wanted. The details are because I'm being asked for more information. You'll note the correct answer didn't actually change from my inital question. |
| 18:16.21 | themill | Trel: So you've already got DVD1 going, yes? |
| 18:16.23 | mutante | Well, i guess we are not going to find out then |
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| 18:16.29 | mutante | good luck |
| 18:16.29 | Trel | themill, I'm trying to download it |
| 18:17.05 | Trel | find out what mutante? |
| 18:17.06 | themill | Maybe concentrate on that for a bit rather than justifying how bidirectional communication failing has nothing to do with you. Might be better for everyone. |
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| 18:18.34 | Trel | If you must know, my goal is a VM to put on an internal network to allow me to make an SSH tunnel into that network. I will allow access to that VM across networks. |
| 18:18.44 | Trel | So now you know what I'm doing. |
| 18:18.54 | Trel | Does the answer change from my initial question? |
| 18:19.16 | themill | Trel: yes, because it changes it from the netinst to the DVD... |
| 18:19.27 | Trel | The first answer given to me was to use the dvd... |
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| 18:20.00 | themill | and yet you didn't ;( |
| 18:20.11 | Trel | What do you mean I didn't? I JUST asked |
| 18:20.36 | petn-randall | Let's move on here, please. |
| 18:20.45 | Trel | My question a couple of hours ago was NOT about what I'm asking now. |
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| 18:21.16 | themill | Trel: please stop, this really isn't helping. In future, please just give some context so people can give accurate answers and not have to second guess things. |
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| 18:33.20 | Hanumaan | was trying to upgrade postgresql from 9.5 to 9.6 got this error : https://apaste.info/Owys what should be done? |
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| 18:33.37 | greycat | Debian never had 9.5 in a stable release AFAIK |
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| 18:34.00 | greycat | ,v postgresql |
| 18:34.01 | judd | Package: postgresql on amd64 -- wheezy: 9.1+134wheezy4; wheezy-security: 9.1+134wheezy5; wheezy-backports: 9.4+165+deb8u2~bpo7+1; jessie: 9.4+165+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 9.6+181~bpo8+1; stretch: 9.6+181; buster: 9.6+184; sid: 9.6+184 |
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| 18:37.08 | Hanumaan | greycat, sorry it is in ubuntu 16.04 |
| 18:37.18 | greycat | Then go awk #ubuntu |
| 18:37.21 | greycat | ask |
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| 18:52.39 | bytesquid | Hey! Any suggestions on figuring out why my laptop is running so hot? (I've looked at CPU usage and powertop, though I'm not sure I understand the latter aside from tunables) |
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| 18:53.09 | pressword | hi |
| 18:53.16 | teraflops | bytesquid: many |
| 18:53.24 | pressword | So it is good to let the cron job logs being emailed to oneself/admin? |
| 18:54.08 | greycat | Obviously, yes. |
| 18:54.16 | teraflops | pressword: depending on the job, it could make sense |
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| 18:56.09 | bytesquid | I haven't added any custom cron jobs on this computer, and I don't have any mail from cron jobs failing |
| 18:56.56 | greycat | ... do you want some? |
| 18:56.59 | teraflops | bytesquid: type mail |
| 18:57.17 | greycat | And yes, have you already checked that mail is locally deliverable to you? |
| 18:57.20 | bytesquid | teraflops, I know, I don't have any mail |
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| 18:58.12 | bytesquid | `echo "test" | mail -s TEST bytesquid; mail` shows the test mail went through |
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| 18:58.42 | greycat | Well then if you want some email from cron, add a job that does 'echo hello there' every hour or so. |
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| 18:59.39 | bytesquid | I don't want mail from cron? |
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| 18:59.48 | greycat | Then what are you asking us? |
| 19:00.11 | bytesquid | I'd like suggestions on why my laptop is running so hot, if you have any |
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| 19:00.53 | greycat | Oh, you confused me by responding in some bizarre way to pressword's question. |
| 19:01.37 | bytesquid | Oh, I was confused, I thought pressword was trying to debug my problem somehow lol |
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| 19:01.57 | bytesquid | Ok sorry about that |
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| 19:03.06 | Agiofws | hi |
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| 19:04.37 | hmpl_128 | hey there |
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| 19:05.14 | Agiofws | if i have let the whole OS from debians net install install on /dev/sdh1 * 2048 30308351 30306304 14.5G 83 Linux how can i be sure that grub did not destroy the first bytes or of the usb stick when i installed grub onto it? |
| 19:05.42 | teraflops | bytesquid: yeah but you can provide more info |
| 19:05.46 | Agiofws | logically there was no mbr when i choose to install it |
| 19:05.57 | Agiofws | is there a way to boot the stick? |
| 19:05.59 | teraflops | as in: what's the cpu usage |
| 19:06.03 | carmelo11 | Hi, after the command # cp debian.iso /dev/sdb been executed, the following message appears on gparted: the driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes but linux says it is 512 bytes |
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| 19:06.20 | teraflops | are you using the GPU for something? |
| 19:06.59 | hmpl_128 | "the physical block size is 2048 bytes but linux says it is 512 bytes" that doesn't mean that something went bad |
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| 19:07.01 | teraflops | is the laptop getting fans covered someway? |
| 19:07.03 | teraflops | and so on |
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| 19:07.37 | carmelo11 | It is equivalent to executing the command dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M |
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| 19:08.13 | hmpl_128 | I don't know because I never tried the first command |
| 19:08.26 | hmpl_128 | but the second works for sure carmelo11 |
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| 19:09.03 | Agiofws | carmelo11, what debian iso are you trying to install? |
| 19:09.34 | carmelo11 | Agiofws debian 9 |
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| 19:09.40 | bytesquid | teraflops, CPU usage (as shown in htop) averages around a total of 5% across 8 cores (usually about 4 of those are at 0%) |
| 19:09.52 | teraflops | what about the gpu? |
| 19:09.56 | hmpl_128 | carmelo11: use gparted to create a a new partition table (msdos if you want to install with bios, gpt if you want to install with uefi) |
| 19:10.10 | teraflops | bytesquid: are you playing videos? |
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| 19:10.24 | hmpl_128 | carmelo11: this will save you some issues (at least, for me) |
| 19:10.25 | carmelo11 | Setting dd .... bs = 4M wanted to know if it could solve it |
| 19:10.50 | bytesquid | teraflops, the fans are only covered as much as my legs cover them, which isn't much, and hasn't always been an issue. I'm not playing games right now. How do I check GPU usage (or, for that matter, which GPU I'm using)? |
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| 19:11.18 | bytesquid | ..by which I mean, I have two GPUs in my laptop, I'm not wondering what my GPU model is |
| 19:11.19 | teraflops | bytesquid: I sas it because GPUs can get hot |
| 19:11.23 | teraflops | say^ |
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| 19:11.39 | hmpl_128 | carmelo11, if you use "# dd if=[iso file] of=[usb device file] bs=1M && sync" it will work for sure! just create a partition table with gparted first to obtain perfect results |
| 19:11.41 | teraflops | bytesquid: give a try to cpufreq or similar |
| 19:11.49 | Agiofws | carmelo11, this is the install iso or net install right ? |
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| 19:12.09 | teraflops | also web browsers can make your fans blow |
| 19:12.15 | teraflops | js^ |
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| 19:12.27 | carmelo11 | Agiofws debian9_netinst |
| 19:12.29 | carmelo11 | .iso |
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| 19:12.50 | Agiofws | you are going to install onto a hard drive ? |
| 19:12.55 | Agiofws | via usb ? |
| 19:13.05 | Agiofws | greycat, are you here |
| 19:13.17 | greycat | No. |
| 19:13.38 | teraflops | bytesquid: also 5% CPU all the time when doing what? nothing? when I do nothing my laptop just idles |
| 19:13.40 | Agiofws | :) |
| 19:13.57 | Agiofws | what pastebin are you willing to click on? |
| 19:14.13 | carmelo11 | dd if=debian9_netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=2048; sync It could go well? |
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| 19:14.26 | teraflops | http://paste.debian.net looks ok |
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| 19:15.21 | Agiofws | greycat, could you take a look here i think the usb has an mbr http://pasteall.org/479177 |
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| 19:15.32 | bytesquid | teraflops, right now I have HexChat, chromium with ~30 tabs, two terminal windows (one ssh'd and the other just running bash), and my VPN running |
| 19:15.53 | bytesquid | the issue seems like it'd be chromium, but using its process manager it's not eating that much CPU |
| 19:16.01 | teraflops | bytesquid: looks fine to me |
| 19:16.02 | Agiofws | greycat, or teraflops https://paste.debian.net/977388/ |
| 19:16.14 | bytesquid | I wonder if I just have some bad driver setting or something |
| 19:16.16 | greycat | Does it boot? |
| 19:16.27 | Agiofws | well on a host at work no |
| 19:16.35 | Agiofws | maybe i'll try here |
| 19:16.47 | jmcnaught | bytesquid: you said that you have two GPUs, is this an nvidia optimus computer? |
| 19:16.48 | carmelo11 | ?? |
| 19:16.51 | teraflops | bytesquid: if the laptop is hot and the fun is not running, setup cpufreq or to your liking |
| 19:17.00 | teraflops | s/or/ |
| 19:17.12 | bytesquid | jmcnaught, I believe so, yes |
| 19:17.24 | bytesquid | teraflops, the fan is running |
| 19:17.27 | greycat | Agiofws: why are you not running "fdisk -l" or "parted -l" to see the device's layout? |
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| 19:17.39 | bytesquid | maybe the fan speed isn't being set properly....? |
| 19:17.43 | bytesquid | idk |
| 19:17.52 | teraflops | bytesquid: 5% CPU is ok imo |
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| 19:18.19 | teraflops | go grab a dock for the lappy |
| 19:18.48 | jmcnaught | bytesquid: i would look into figuring out how to select and manage the GPU in use. Are you using bumblebee, and are you using nouveau or the nvidia drivers? |
| 19:19.13 | teraflops | jmcnaught: if they are using optimus they are using the intel gpu |
| 19:19.41 | teraflops | at least for the web browser dealing with 30 tabs ^ |
| 19:19.43 | bytesquid | `sensors` says my wifi adapter's at 44C and CPUs are running around 38-42 C each (none of this is near the critical temp of 100C, but it's still uncomfortably hot on my legs) |
| 19:19.48 | jmcnaught | bytesquid: from what i understand power management is still fairly new for nouveau, and depending on the version/model your nvidia GPU could always be running in the hottest mode |
| 19:20.02 | greycat | 40 C for a CPU sounds good to me |
| 19:20.06 | teraflops | bytesquid: nothing weird there |
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| 19:20.34 | greycat | Most laptops are *not* really supposed to be used on your literal lap. |
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| 19:20.47 | teraflops | jmcnaught: nvidia gpu is not even powered |
| 19:20.54 | greycat | Especially not if your clothing is going to block any of the vents. |
| 19:20.55 | teraflops | that's why bbswitch exists |
| 19:21.17 | bytesquid | greycat, I have nowhere else to use my laptop, I live in a tiny apartment |
| 19:21.30 | teraflops | open the windows :P |
| 19:21.51 | bytesquid | lol they are but it's hot outside too ;_; |
| 19:22.02 | teraflops | yeah sorry i was jocking |
| 19:22.11 | teraflops | joking |
| 19:22.23 | greycat | Get a thin but rigid board of some kind to put between your legs and the hardware. |
| 19:22.31 | teraflops | yep |
| 19:22.43 | jmcnaught | teraflops: i don't really know a lot about bumblebee/optimus but if it's not installed or configured, the nvidia GPU just doesn't get powered on? |
| 19:23.04 | teraflops | jmcnaught: yeah but not getting that hot |
| 19:23.16 | teraflops | just wasting battery |
| 19:23.22 | tw | Did you check if processor clock is scaling down correctly? |
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| 19:23.39 | teraflops | i told them so 2 times |
| 19:24.26 | mongo2 | Hi, this bug was closed but it appears the change never made it to the packages, is there anything I can do to help? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=820856 |
| 19:24.27 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/820856 in bash (closed): «bash: Please add ~/.local/bin to the default $PATH»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-04-13; last modified: 2016-07-27. |
| 19:24.34 | bytesquid | teraflops, jmcnaught: I have the bumblebee and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau packages installed, for what that's worth; what's a better way to check what's actually being used? |
| 19:24.51 | teraflops | lsmod grep for nvidia |
| 19:25.00 | teraflops | nvm |
| 19:25.19 | teraflops | nouveau |
| 19:26.25 | teraflops | bytesquid: which DE/WM? |
| 19:26.39 | bytesquid | teraflops: got cpufreq installed, and apparently all my cores (range 800 MHz - 3.50 GHz) are at 800 MHz except a 1.07 GHz one, a 922 MHz one, and an 806 MHz one |
| 19:26.49 | teraflops | bytesquid: what's the cpu usage with just the DE/WM running, nothing else? |
| 19:27.03 | teraflops | bytesquid: looks ok to me |
| 19:27.24 | teraflops | go grab a dock for the lappy |
| 19:27.34 | teraflops | there are many with fans |
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| 19:27.51 | bytesquid | teraflops: `sudo lsmod | grep -e nvidia -e nouveau -e bumblebee` has no output |
| 19:28.18 | teraflops | if nouveau is not shown youre fine |
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| 19:29.28 | bytesquid | is there a top-like command for GPUs? |
| 19:29.53 | bytesquid | And I'll measure the CPU usage with nothing running in a minute |
| 19:29.56 | pressword | someone asked that some days ago :O |
| 19:29.56 | teraflops | if the module is not loaded youre not using it |
| 19:29.58 | pressword | deja vue |
| 19:29.59 | pressword | ahhh |
| 19:30.04 | tw | Anybody know why qmlviewer (QT4) would vanish when you press f5 instead of reloading the current file? |
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| 19:30.23 | teraflops | idk for nouveau, nvidia has |
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| 19:31.31 | bytesquid | teraflops: I mean, for checking the intel GPU. I am presumably using at least one GPU, right? |
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| 19:32.34 | teraflops | hmm iirc there was a thing for measuing temp on intel igpu, and again iirc I had to compile it by hand |
| 19:33.02 | teraflops | sorry for being that vague |
| 19:33.13 | bytesquid | It's all good |
| 19:33.23 | bytesquid | I'll quit everything, measure the CPU usage, and be back |
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| 19:34.12 | teraflops | bytesquid: well by default youre using the intel one |
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| 19:35.42 | jmcnaught | bytesquid: there's an intel-gpu-tools package that might have a program like a GPU top |
| 19:35.58 | jmcnaught | it says it has a "performance monitor" |
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| 19:40.08 | bytesquid | teraflops, jmcnaught: with everything quit, it's more like 4% across all the cores. Most of that seems to be gnome-shell/wayland stuff, systemd stuff, and rtkit |
| 19:40.45 | greycat | Wow, rtkit is a really ... interesting ... choice for a package name. |
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| 19:41.30 | bytesquid | greycat, I know right? Every time I see it I forget what is and freak out |
| 19:41.51 | bytesquid | jmcnaught, I'll look into intel-gpu-tools, thanks! |
| 19:41.51 | teraflops | bytesquid: bytesquid hmm |
| 19:42.14 | teraflops | it doesnt like ok to me |
| 19:42.38 | teraflops | it should be idling |
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| 19:42.56 | jmcnaught | bytesquid: what program are you using to check CPU usage? |
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| 19:43.51 | teraflops | bytesquid: tried using xorg instead of wayland to see whether the CPU usage decreases? |
| 19:44.16 | bytesquid | teraflops: I'm looking at `powertop` and most of this is gnome stuff, but tor is up there too.. I have a VPN now, I should really get rid of that |
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| 19:44.31 | teraflops | why powertop? |
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| 19:45.43 | teraflops | bytesquid: use top/htop |
| 19:46.22 | teraflops | bytesquid: I only see openvpn using lot of cpu when using p2p (on the server side) |
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| 19:47.26 | kaboutur | Hm.. does debian handle oldfashioned multiboot with UEFI Windows well? like , first install Win, then have grub do its magic? |
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| 19:48.20 | teraflops | set /boot to the windows ESP and youll be fine |
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| 19:49.48 | bytesquid | jmcnaught, teraflops: I think HexChat was being weird and I might not have actually been connected? Idk. Just wondering if you received the last two messages I sent (htop, window managers) |
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| 19:50.06 | teraflops | I read you |
| 19:50.17 | teraflops | just use top/htop |
| 19:50.22 | bytesquid | cool, thanks |
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| 19:52.16 | kaboutur | teraflops: Setting this in grub conf? |
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| 19:52.37 | teraflops | kaboutur: no, while installing debian |
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| 19:53.39 | teraflops | I do not use the installer that much but I thing it will show the ESP |
| 19:53.41 | bytesquid | jmcnaught: intel-gpu-tools contains intel_gpu_top, which is giving me around 1-2% |
| 19:53.54 | teraflops | do not delete anything just tell debian to use it |
| 19:54.21 | teraflops | kaboutur: since windwos efi is already there youll be fine |
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| 19:55.35 | kaboutur | ok |
| 19:55.41 | teraflops | bytesquid: I dont think you have any issue |
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| 19:56.03 | teraflops | unless plain gnome is using 4%CPU |
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| 19:57.03 | hmpl_128 | hey there again! |
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| 19:57.56 | bytesquid | jmcnaught: intel_gpu_frequency shows that the frequency is at 1050 MHz, which is also the max, so it's probably not scaling GPU usage down; I'll see if I can mess with that |
| 19:59.01 | hmpl_128 | The only driver that my pc doesn't have is GuC, Intel's Open-Source Driver, which is non-free. I woould like to know if it is adviced to install it or can i also avoid it? |
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| 20:02.06 | carmelo11 | this is https://unsee.cc/sizeduga/ gparted after command: dd if=debian-9.0.0-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M; sync |
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| 20:02.48 | greycat | does not load in w3m |
| 20:02.49 | carmelo11 | https://unsee.cc/sunaperi/ |
| 20:03.03 | teraflops | wtf, there's a bunch of shitty pastebin sites out there |
| 20:03.10 | teraflops | that one added to the list |
| 20:03.13 | greycat | you're just NOW realizing this? |
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| 20:03.43 | teraflops | greycat: no, it's just every day I see new ones |
| 20:03.44 | greycat | Try http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 20:05.48 | jmcnaught | carmelo11: nobody can see your link on that pastebin site, please use the Debian one, or one that doesn't require javascript |
| 20:06.20 | carmelo11 | http://paste.debian.net/977393 |
| 20:06.26 | greycat | It's like people go out of their way to find a pastebin site that will work as poorly as possible for as many different browsers as possible. |
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| 20:06.36 | carmelo11 | is a png |
| 20:06.44 | greycat | Well, that would explain why we can't read it. |
| 20:06.54 | teraflops | w3m in debian is patched for -sixel <3 |
| 20:07.23 | jmcnaught | carmelo11: are you trying to show us a screenshot of text? just make a paste of the text. |
| 20:07.57 | carmelo11 | I need to show you a screenshot |
| 20:08.21 | jmcnaught | carmelo11: then use imgur or another site that lets you give a direct link to the .png file |
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| 20:09.44 | carmelo11 | https://ibb.co/i0sx75 |
| 20:10.47 | greycat | In the time this has taken, you could have just typed out your question using words. |
| 20:11.07 | Agiofws | greycat, here is fdisk -l |
| 20:11.15 | Agiofws | https://paste.debian.net/977395/ can you take a look? |
| 20:11.17 | Agiofws | please |
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| 20:11.25 | greycat | What am I looking FOR? |
| 20:11.36 | Agiofws | if it has a boot sector |
| 20:11.53 | Agiofws | its fdisk -l output |
| 20:11.59 | greycat | The partition starts at sector 2048 so there is a gap where an MBR can be written. Seems reasonable. |
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| 20:12.16 | Agiofws | so why is not booting ? |
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| 20:12.23 | greycat | I don't know. Did you write GRUB to it? |
| 20:12.36 | greycat | Is the computer's BIOS or firmware trying to boot it? |
| 20:13.02 | Agiofws | i told the netinstall cd to install grub on that device |
| 20:13.11 | carmelo11 | https://paste.debian.net/977396 fdisk |
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| 20:13.15 | Agiofws | and bios does offer an option to boot from usb |
| 20:13.50 | greycat | And did you tell the bios to actually *do* that? |
| 20:13.57 | Agiofws | and this usb has booted when i installed a live cd on it debian live cd and it did boot |
| 20:14.04 | Agiofws | yes |
| 20:14.10 | greycat | OK, that all sounds correct. |
| 20:14.22 | Agiofws | because proessing f9 gives me an option to boot from usb |
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| 20:14.43 | Agiofws | should i try on this host ? |
| 20:15.04 | carmelo11 | with the command: dd if=debian-9.0.0-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M; sync the warning appears again |
| 20:15.05 | Agiofws | maybe net install tried to install grub on the sdh1 ? |
| 20:15.19 | greycat | You could hex dump the first 512 bytes of the device and see if they look like a correct GRUB MBR installation, though I'm not the one to ask for an interpretation of those bytes. |
| 20:15.48 | greycat | carmelo11: *what warning*? What are you asking? |
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| 20:16.07 | acu | hello everyone - |
| 20:16.16 | carmelo11 | "The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes" |
| 20:16.27 | greycat | carmelo11: and is there an actual problem? |
| 20:17.13 | carmelo11 | yes |
| 20:17.38 | greycat | Can you guess what the next question is? |
| 20:17.40 | acu | I am running Debian 9 AMD64 and have two NICs that I configured through bridge - I can ping 8.8.8.8 but cannot ping or browse google.com - so the DNS settings are messed - I looked in /etc/resolv.conf but nothing is there - cant edit it also - can anyone give some hints |
| 20:17.48 | carmelo11 | greycat https://ibb.co/i0sx75 |
| 20:18.10 | greycat | acu: *why* can't you edit /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 20:18.11 | teraflops | acu: mind sharing your bridge configuration? |
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| 20:19.22 | acu | greycat and teraflops - it seem I could add nameserver - do not know why I did not do it before - thanks |
| 20:19.41 | teraflops | acu: if youre using /e/n/i I think youre missing a dns-nameservers line |
| 20:19.41 | Agiofws | https://paste.debian.net/977402/ greycat can you make anything out of this hexdump? |
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| 20:19.55 | greycat | Bear in mind that if your interface is using DHCP, your changes to resolv.conf might be thrown away in a few minutes or hours. |
| 20:20.23 | jhutchins | !resolvconf |
| 20:20.23 | dpkg | resolvconf is, like, a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Packages like ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, ... are compatible with it. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>, <resolv.conf>, <override dns> |
| 20:20.49 | angor | hey guys. Can I remove obsolete packages (debian 9) without possible troubles? |
| 20:21.06 | jhutchins | angor: Depends on the packages. |
| 20:21.18 | greycat | Damn, there are at least 3 contradictory factoids trying to work around the stupidity of DHCP. |
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| 20:21.41 | angor | jhutchins: after dist-upgrade I found 52 such packages |
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| 20:21.56 | angor | before I had 0 |
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| 20:22.40 | jhutchins | angor: How are you determining that they are "obsolete"? |
| 20:22.53 | angor | jhutchins: aptitude search '~o' |
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| 20:24.02 | teraflops | angor: not purging configs/packages from cache looks like a good idea if you ask me, at least till you see all is working as expected |
| 20:24.04 | greycat | And themill overwrote mine (override dns) :( |
| 20:24.08 | jhutchins | angor: On my system it thinks the third-party scanning software is obsolete. |
| 20:24.17 | jhutchins | angor: Not sure I trust that. |
| 20:24.33 | greycat | At least it still has the cyberciti URL that shows ALL the alternatives. That's the important part. The clever reader will know to just go straight there. |
| 20:24.40 | angor | jhutchins: https://pastebin.com/ZiTdZkvJ |
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| 20:25.01 | carmelo11 | if I use rufus, is the same with dd command |
| 20:25.01 | themill | greycat: because "chattr -i" would have to be the silliest thing you could do *and* it doesn't work |
| 20:25.16 | greycat | It's +i, and it's option #1 on that URL, and it does work. |
| 20:25.18 | teraflops | carmelo11: just use cp |
| 20:25.25 | angor | teraflops: yep, that's good idea, thanks! |
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| 20:25.44 | themill | greycat: there are tools in the archive that will remove the immutable bit. It doesn't work. |
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| 20:25.58 | carmelo11 | teraflops I have already used cp and the warning apperars |
| 20:26.04 | greycat | If that happens, I will hunt them down and --purge them. |
| 20:26.06 | themill | Plus you're just creating technical debt that you will get to repay layer when things break in weird ways |
| 20:26.31 | greycat | Having to write a sh function to override the internal workings of dhclient is a "better" answer? |
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| 20:26.36 | teraflops | carmelo11: do you have a real issue? as in the instaler is not booting? |
| 20:26.49 | themill | Actually configuring a tool rather than ragequitting is normally better, yes. |
| 20:27.14 | greycat | At what point does it stop being "configuring" and start being "hacking the source"? |
| 20:27.19 | themill | and you don't need to write a shell function |
| 20:27.39 | acu | OK, so I changed the resolv.conf (added nameserver 8.8.8.8) it worked- I rebooted - and got erased - I also added dns-namesrvers in /etc/network/interfaces and it seem not to have effect - so it is obvious that /etc/resolv.conf is overriten - do I need to use this resolvconf program - if yes how ? any other hints are appreciated |
| 20:27.40 | greycat | It's option #2 on that URL. It has the 4-line example sh function and tells you where to put it. |
| 20:27.45 | themill | adding a single line to dhclient.conf is enough and dpkg even told you what to do |
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| 20:28.10 | carmelo11 | teraflops in gparted file system says unknown https://ibb.co/i0sx75 |
| 20:28.18 | teraflops | carmelo11: ... |
| 20:28.22 | greycat | There is no single line you can add to dhclient.conf to make it DO NOTHING to the resolv.conf file. |
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| 20:28.49 | greycat | Your/dpkg's suggestion is to treat dhclient.conf AS IF it were your resolv.conf file and configure your DNS in there. Which is absurd. |
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| 20:29.29 | carmelo11 | teraflops this is fdisk https://paste.debian.net/977396/ |
| 20:29.44 | greycat | Nevertheless, configuring your DNS in your DHCP client config file is option #3 on that URL, so the choice is there for those who prefer it. |
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| 20:30.14 | teraflops | carmelo11: unless you try to boot that iso, I have nothing to say |
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| 20:30.38 | jhutchins | angor: There is no possible way I can tell what you do and do not use on your computer. |
| 20:30.48 | themill | greycat: which is why I left the URL there rather than for more options rather than just vandalising the factoid |
| 20:31.22 | carmelo11 | teraflops ok, I'll try |
| 20:32.01 | acu | greycat: I missed the message about URLs showing the sane way to configure DNS for Debian 9 |
| 20:32.25 | greycat | !override dns |
| 20:32.25 | dpkg | To have dhclient use a specific nameserver rather than one given by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf; man 5 dhclient.conf for more. You can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from "request" in dhclient.conf. Beware crazy ideas like chattr +i. https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/dhclient-etcresolvconf-hooks/ |
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| 20:33.26 | greycat | I found out, later, that removing domain-name-servers from "request" only works with some DHCP servers, and not others. |
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| 20:33.55 | greycat | If the DHCP server sends your domain-name-servers even when you don't request them, the dhclient honors those unsolicited domain-name-servers and clobbers resolv.conf. |
| 20:34.29 | greycat | There is literally NO supported way to tell dhclient to just leave resolv.conf alone. |
| 20:34.36 | themill | ignoring what the dhcp server tells you to use is also a great way of having no network access on a lot of networks (and is why things like dnssec-trigger exist) |
| 20:34.39 | jhutchins | Does mariadb replace mysql-client if you install maria, or do they install in parallel? |
| 20:35.11 | greycat | jhutchins: it replaces upon jessie->stretch upgrade |
| 20:35.57 | jhutchins | greycat: It's odd then that I hit the mysql dependency error when I asked the system to upgrade. |
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| 20:36.44 | jhutchins | That or I misinterpreted it, which is quite possible. |
| 20:37.19 | jhutchins | My plan was to wait a bit and try again. |
| 20:37.32 | greycat | Damn it, the machine I wanted to show an example from is down. Oh well. |
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| 20:38.05 | acu | OK, I just modified dhcpclient.conf - but I realized I failed to tell you that both NICS are configured through bridge - both lan and wan which have static IP |
| 20:38.29 | teraflops | acu: if youre using /e/n/i I think youre missing a dns-nameservers line |
| 20:38.31 | acu | so it is kind of weird - two NICs(bridges) configured with static IPs |
| 20:38.37 | greycat | If they're static, then dhclient isn't running, so modifying dhclient.conf does nothing, yes? |
| 20:38.38 | teraflops | acu: I wrote that ages ago |
| 20:38.51 | acu | teraflops: I added that in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:39.09 | acu | I did not add metrics to it - but it should not matter |
| 20:39.09 | teraflops | what did you write? |
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| 20:39.21 | acu | dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 |
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| 20:39.47 | teraflops | did you down/up the bridge? |
| 20:40.13 | acu | I think is a situation when though I added a static IP somehow some aspects furnished by DHCP (or what is supposed to take care of stays on) |
| 20:40.24 | acu | teraflops, I rebooted the server |
| 20:40.37 | acu | I can do an ifdown ifup |
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| 20:40.52 | teraflops | mind sharing your /e/n/i file? |
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| 20:42.16 | teraflops | acu: wfm so, no idea what's going on there |
| 20:42.26 | teraflops | unless you paste the info |
| 20:42.32 | acu | I will - just a sec - because is in another computer - but I am changing LAN bridge to DHCP and see what is going on |
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| 20:47.40 | duplicated | hi, does anyone here use spek? I have a quick question regarding its dependencies |
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| 20:48.25 | jmcnaught | duplicated: better just to ask a detailed question and patiently wait for answers |
| 20:48.50 | duplicated | alright then jmcnaught |
| 20:49.15 | duplicated | btw what's the policy on multiline pasting here? |
| 20:49.36 | greycat | 2 lines max |
| 20:49.44 | jhutchins | !paste |
| 20:49.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 20:49.53 | teraflops | for more use a _sane_ pastebin site |
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| 20:50.21 | zykotick9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:51.04 | duplicated | Alright, thank you |
| 20:51.41 | jhutchins | greycat: You know, it actually was probably an attempt to do a final jessie update before I did the upgrade to stretch. |
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| 20:53.35 | duplicated | alright, done |
| 20:53.39 | duplicated | http://paste.debian.net/977422/ |
| 20:54.13 | duplicated | So here's the situation - I ran ./configure to prep for a make install, and it returned the first half of that pastebin |
| 20:54.38 | teraflops | duplicated: I forgot what was your issue |
| 20:54.41 | duplicated | basically ./configure couldn't find my installed ffmpeg |
| 20:54.55 | duplicated | teraflops: I'm explaining it right now lol, I didn't say anything about it earlier |
| 20:55.01 | teraflops | yeah |
| 20:55.11 | jmcnaught | duplicated: why not use spek from the Debian archive? |
| 20:55.22 | jhutchins | ,v spek |
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| 20:55.23 | judd | Package: spek on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.7-3; jessie: 0.8.2-3.2+b1; buster: 0.8.2-4+b2; stretch: 0.8.2-4+b2; sid: 0.8.2-4+b2; jessie-multimedia: 0.8.3-dmo8; stretch-multimedia: 0.8.3-dmo11; buster-multimedia: 0.8.3-dmo11; sid-multimedia: 0.8.3-dmo11 |
| 20:55.23 | duplicated | so I checked ffmpeg and it reported back in the second section |
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| 20:55.40 | duplicated | um... my distro still sources from xenial repo |
| 20:55.42 | teraflops | duplicated: youre missing the inportant info in that paste |
| 20:55.58 | greycat | duplicated: if you are not using Debian, we do not support it. |
| 20:56.00 | jmcnaught | duplicated: um⦠this is #debian, maybe you meant to ask in #ubuntu? |
| 20:56.09 | duplicated | uh, woops |
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| 20:56.27 | duplicated | sorry about that :( |
| 20:56.32 | jhutchins | duplicated: That's just the kind of thing where it makes a difference, and what would fix Debian could break Ubuntu. |
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| 20:57.08 | duplicated | btw, if you don't mind - what important info did I left out from that paste? |
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| 20:59.12 | teraflops | the ./configure line |
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| 20:59.42 | teraflops | e.g --prefix=/ffmpeg --enable-static --disable-shared ... or whatever |
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| 21:00.07 | duplicated | I just used `./configure` with nothing else appended |
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| 21:00.21 | teraflops | ok so wheres _your_ ffmpeg? |
| 21:01.02 | duplicated | teraflops: /usr/bin/ffmpeg according to which |
| 21:01.05 | jhutchins | Could you guys take it to #ubutu so as not to confuse people with distro differences? |
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| 21:01.23 | duplicated | alright |
| 21:01.29 | jhutchins | Or with an n even. |
| 21:02.20 | zeitsofa | :D |
| 21:02.50 | teraflops | duplicated: tell them about what I asked to you and your answer ;) |
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| 21:03.06 | duplicated | okay, thank you again |
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| 21:06.09 | teraflops | jhutchins: ugh, me? to ubuntu? |
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| 21:12.41 | duplicated | actually, my repo has the program that is one version behind latest. I guess I'll go with that then. |
| 21:13.09 | duplicated | sorry about the confusion, and I'll probably come back when I finally put together a desktop and put debian on it |
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| 21:18.54 | sashpta | was someone able to install `myslq-server` on debian 8? |
| 21:18.54 | sashpta | i always get this |
| 21:18.54 | sashpta | `Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 21:18.54 | sashpta | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.54 | sashpta | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)` or `unmet dependencies` :/ |
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| 21:19.47 | ihatecsv | Try dpkg --configure -a |
| 21:19.53 | ihatecsv | Then apt-get update |
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| 21:20.17 | greycat | I don't think he came back yet. |
| 21:20.21 | Antares | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmx7b9bXMPY |
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| 21:22.52 | sashpta | was someone able to install mysql-server on debian 8? i always get this: https://hastebin.com/ayesaxeqej.vbs |
| 21:23.11 | greycat | aaaand it's the hate bin again |
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| 21:23.43 | sashpta | do u want me to use another service? |
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| 21:24.04 | greycat | https://hastebin.com/raw/ayesaxeqej will open it in a non-JS browser |
| 21:24.28 | greycat | But it's a useless pastebin. It does not include the command that was run, nor its full output. |
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| 21:25.12 | greycat | !bat |
| 21:25.12 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 21:32.06 | sashpta | dpkg, https://pastebin.com/1K4LzCVL https://pastebin.com/eGYkd9aw https://pastebin.com/gTyGQZzv |
| 21:32.06 | dpkg | sashpta: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 21:32.32 | sashpta | dpkg, hu? |
| 21:32.32 | dpkg | Ez egy angol nyelvu csatorna. Kerlek beszelj angolul vagy probald a #debian.hu csatornat a FreeNode halozaton, ha magyarul szeretnel. |
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| 21:32.45 | jmcnaught | sashpta: dpkg is a bot |
| 21:33.12 | sashpta | oh |
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| 21:36.30 | JohnCub | at least you aren't person #0 to send an unparseable request. ;) |
| 21:36.42 | dTal | rofl |
| 21:36.56 | dTal | dpkg: blah blah blah |
| 21:36.56 | dpkg | blah 1 in the groin |
| 21:37.12 | JohnCub | dpkg has game |
| 21:37.12 | dpkg | JohnCub: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:37.14 | dTal | ?! |
| 21:37.45 | sashpta | anyway was that all u guys needed? |
| 21:37.53 | sashpta | or do i need to send u more? ^_^ |
| 21:39.05 | JohnCub | sashpta: I definitely installed mysql server on debian 8 |
| 21:39.14 | JohnCub | but it gave me zero issues, maybe fewer. |
| 21:39.28 | sashpta | JohnCub, so what am i doing wrong ? |
| 21:40.12 | JohnCub | I just did apt-get install, is that what you are using? |
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| 21:40.42 | sashpta | the same .. |
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| 21:41.02 | JohnCub | let me look at your stuff, I'm not really the best with this stuff but I can look |
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| 21:41.13 | sashpta | would be nice ty :) |
| 21:41.44 | JohnCub | ooh, I'm seeing 500 server errors in there |
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| 21:43.02 | jhutchins | sashpta: paste your sources.list |
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| 21:44.06 | JohnCub | yeah, googling that /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) message leads me to believe you might want to verify and update your sources.list |
| 21:45.15 | sashpta | uhm gimme a sec somehow i cannot reach the server via ssh atm |
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| 22:02.20 | badargo | what happens if i chmod 000 /* ? |
| 22:03.59 | Antares | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpk4TmduIpE |
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| 22:05.05 | JPT | badargo: Well, if you do not leave your root shell you /may/ be able to easily repair that |
| 22:05.33 | JPT | badargo: However, if you add -R to the mix, you will need to recover all permissions. Basic advice: Do not do this. |
| 22:05.49 | JohnCub | I tested that with a file recently. I was able to undo the permissions, but while it was 000 I couldn't even read it. |
| 22:05.53 | JohnCub | worked as expected. |
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| 22:06.20 | JohnCub | now I wonder if root would have been able to read it |
| 22:06.24 | badargo | i was expecting the computer to explode 0.o |
| 22:06.32 | lexruee1 | Trying out Deadly Linux Commands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfAIM37U3fc |
| 22:07.19 | JPT | badargo: Your computer won't explode. But be sure to have backups ready (and not mounted or connected to your computer) while messing with such commands. |
| 22:07.44 | JPT | If you need some good fun, try tail /dev/zero |
| 22:08.15 | badargo | ohhh i will |
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| 22:09.23 | badargo | haha wtf |
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| 22:09.46 | badargo | it should list the files on the tail of dev/zedo but instead froze everything :P |
| 22:10.02 | JPT | Well, /dev/zero is a never ending stream of null bytes |
| 22:10.15 | JPT | There is no last line. There is not even a first line. |
| 22:10.26 | JPT | I guess the results for head /dev/zero should be the same. |
| 22:10.35 | badargo | ohhh sounds like the universe :P or a black hole |
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| 22:11.03 | JPT | Basically that command will eat a lot of ram in the blink of an eye. Your machine will be busy swapping and you'll need to reset it. |
| 22:11.30 | badargo | i got away with ctrl + c but was about to reset haha |
| 22:11.36 | JPT | There's also the famous fork bomb, but since systemd exists, it is not as much fun anymore |
| 22:11.38 | badargo | took ages to respound :P |
| 22:11.45 | JPT | :() { : | :& }; : |
| 22:11.57 | badargo | whats that? |
| 22:12.14 | lexruee1 | fork bomb :) |
| 22:12.16 | JPT | It's a bash function that spawns two jobs invoking itself |
| 22:12.22 | JPT | Exponential growth basically |
| 22:12.23 | badargo | ohhhh |
| 22:12.37 | JPT | Will eat a lot of RAM and consume a lot of process ids |
| 22:13.03 | badargo | if u config a ini file that start the system with that or the dev/zero trick |
| 22:13.13 | badargo | looks noice |
| 22:14.04 | JPT | I guess you already know the command to basically erase all files on your computer? |
| 22:14.18 | badargo | omg is there one? |
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| 22:14.24 | badargo | u dont mean format right |
| 22:14.24 | JPT | Actually: the commands. There are more. |
| 22:14.29 | sashpta | JohnCub, jhutchins so i finally managed to access the server again... here is the sourceslist https://pastebin.com/dfVyXGua |
| 22:14.39 | badargo | tell me ! :P |
| 22:15.10 | JPT | The first one you need to know (NEVER DO THIS!) is rm -rf / . It recursively deletes every file in your filesystem. Do NOT do this, do have backups, DO NOT TRICK PEOPLE INTO DOING THIS. |
| 22:15.30 | badargo | whats f for? |
| 22:15.43 | JPT | force - no asking for confirmation, just do it. |
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| 22:16.30 | JPT | I should probably do a google search for lethal commands. I bet there are a few collections |
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| 22:17.09 | JPT | List of LETHAL commands - DO NOT RUN THESE: http://www.linuxscrew.com/2009/12/03/13-linux-lethal-commands/ |
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| 22:17.54 | JPT | Basically, there are way more of them, but i guess it cannot hurt to know the most basic ones. |
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| 22:18.04 | JPT | Also, never run a commend that you do not know what it does. |
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| 22:18.42 | JPT | command* |
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| 22:19.01 | badargo | i understand some of them :D im making progress |
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| 22:19.47 | JPT | When in doubt, there is always the man command to help you out with documentations for any command |
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| 22:20.02 | JPT | e.g. man rm shows the manpage for the rm command. |
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| 22:20.14 | badargo | this introduction to linux book and this chat room together make a great combination |
| 22:20.26 | JPT | Glad you enjoy it :) |
| 22:21.25 | badargo | its like having free linux consulting 24/7 haha |
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| 22:22.08 | JPT | Well, not quite. All of us in here do this because we like to help other people out. :) |
| 22:22.33 | JPT | But we won't just do everyone's homework and do everyone's daily work. |
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| 22:23.08 | tw | I tried to make linux great again but it told me there's no rule to make target 'great' |
| 22:23.14 | tw | shows himself out. |
| 22:23.36 | JPT | *chuckles* |
| 22:24.05 | Antares | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXJQr5wTadY |
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| 22:24.13 | Antares | мÑÑик |
| 22:25.01 | sashpta | did someone manage to install mysql-server on debian 8 ? |
| 22:25.30 | JPT | On debian 8 it should be easy. On debian 9, there is mariadb instead. |
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| 22:27.50 | sashpta | JPT, dunno i always get this error: https://pastebin.com/XCfTibY8 |
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| 22:29.12 | JPT | sashpta: This looks more like it is related to what kind of machine (I'm guessing a container?) you're trying to install it on. Debconf is trying to use an ncurses based dialog to ask you about the configuration and since this fails, the installation process fails, too. |
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| 22:30.44 | sashpta | JPT, it's a V-Linux server |
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| 22:33.34 | JPT | sashpta: Perhaps try running export TERM=xterm and try again. Not sure if that will already fix the issue. |
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| 22:36.23 | sashpta | JPT, that did the job thx :) |
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| 22:36.27 | sashpta | is that change persistent ? |
| 22:36.42 | JPT | No, this one is temporary. |
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| 22:36.52 | sashpta | how do i make it persistent? |
| 22:37.08 | JPT | You could put the line into your ~/.bashrc, so it gets executed everytime you log in. |
| 22:37.11 | sashpta | cuz now i can finally use `man` without an error again :D |
| 22:37.30 | JPT | If you want to inspect all set environment variables, you can simply type "export" to list them all |
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| 22:38.37 | badargo | hey, what chmod o= means? others what? |
| 22:38.52 | JPT | oh, right. Or - if you need this change to affect all users, you could put it into /etc/environment (See https://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables ) |
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| 22:39.36 | JPT | badargo: chmod changes the permissions of a file/folder/... a= all, o= other, g= (group), u= (user) |
| 22:39.45 | sashpta | JPT thx man |
| 22:40.17 | JPT | 'man chmod' will give you the manpage. There will probably be some examples at the middle or bottom of the manpage. :) |
| 22:40.50 | badargo | yes but in the example its chmod o= file |
| 22:41.18 | badargo | oh |
| 22:41.26 | badargo | no |
| 22:41.31 | JPT | In that case, since no flags are set for o, others will have no permissions for that file |
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| 22:41.40 | badargo | ohh |
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| 22:42.39 | JPT | chmod o=rx somefile will set r and x (but unset w) as permissions for "others" on somefile |
| 22:43.08 | badargo | so its like chmod o= file - or zero for others, like chmode o=- |
| 22:43.12 | JPT | chmod o+x will ADD the x bit (execute permission) for others on a file, chmod o-x will REMOVE the x bit. |
| 22:44.15 | badargo | chmode o= is the same as chmod o-rwx ? |
| 22:44.35 | JPT | The effect will be the same, but the meaning is different. |
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| 22:44.55 | JPT | + and - do add or remove bits, while = just sets them to the given state |
| 22:45.25 | JPT | so chmod o-r may not be the same as chmod o= because the latter will also remove w and x if present |
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| 22:46.58 | JPT | I just discovered you can also do stuff like 'chmod =r somefile' and it will set r (but unset w or x if present) for user, group and others at once. |
| 22:47.16 | JPT | Just like chmod +x somefile or chmod -x somefile are a thing |
| 22:47.44 | badargo | file is ------rwx and i chmod o= the file will become --------- |
| 22:47.55 | JPT | yup :) |
| 22:48.02 | badargo | but if instead i chmod o-w it will be -------w- |
| 22:48.15 | badargo | ops |
| 22:48.20 | badargo | chmode o=w |
| 22:48.28 | JPT | exactly |
| 22:48.38 | badargo | cool |
| 22:49.15 | Tramp | JPT: what happens, if the user part is empty, depends on your umask |
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| 22:50.50 | JPT | That may depend on context. If the file was 000 before, i doubt using chmod o=w will touch the user and group part. But it might be good to keep the umask in mind. |
| 22:51.54 | badargo | i thought umask only affects files when they are created |
| 22:52.10 | JPT | That's what i have in mind right now, too. But i'm already sleepy. |
| 22:52.41 | JPT | I'll get some sleep now. Enjoy playing, be careful, always have a backup ready and have a nice evening/night/day/... :) |
| 22:52.48 | Tramp | bits in you umask will NOT be affected when the user part is empty. |
| 22:53.03 | badargo | good night! |
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| 22:53.37 | Antares | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMBEKAUNOX4 |
| 22:56.16 | mongo2 | One important context for umask is if there is an ACL is inherited from a parent directory and the umask is unused. The main issue is that if a flag is not in the inheritied ACL it will be turned off with mkdir/open |
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| 22:56.38 | mongo2 | probably not related but it ate a lot of my time once |
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| 22:59.32 | badargo | hummm |
| 23:00.11 | badargo | chmod +x file = chmod ugo+x file right |
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| 23:00.54 | JohnCub | yes, badargo |
| 23:01.41 | badargo | so chmod =x file should be chmod ugo-rw and chmod ugo+x |
| 23:01.43 | badargo | so |
| 23:01.49 | badargo | chmod = file |
| 23:02.00 | badargo | makes the file 000 |
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| 23:02.31 | JohnCub | you lost me somewhere in there but that's ok |
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| 23:03.00 | badargo | i mean =x is the same as user group and others get x |
| 23:03.08 | badargo | and lose rw |
| 23:03.17 | JohnCub | I've never used the = |
| 23:03.35 | badargo | but if u use ugo= |
| 23:03.46 | badargo | then ugo get --- file |
| 23:03.55 | badargo | so if u just = |
| 23:04.15 | badargo | its 000 |
| 23:04.20 | badargo | --- file for ugo |
| 23:04.24 | mongo2 | +x etc... will honor the umask, use numbers or non wildcard letters to override |
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| 23:05.16 | mongo2 | except for ACLs |
| 23:05.32 | badargo | try this touch file; chmod = file; ls -l file |
| 23:06.27 | badargo | thats noice :D |
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| 23:12.22 | Mick | Hi, i am looking for debian multimedia repository... |
| 23:12.36 | Mick | archive , please... |
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| 23:12.49 | Mick | not current.. |
| 23:13.07 | badargo | hey |
| 23:13.14 | badargo | why chmod +rwx a 000 file will turn it into a 751? |
| 23:13.34 | badargo | it should become 777 shouldnt it? |
| 23:13.46 | Tramp | badargo: umask, as I said above. |
| 23:14.10 | Tramp | but you don't seem to listen. |
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| 23:15.25 | mongo2 | the default umask is 0022, so it would be '-rwxr-xr-x' because the 2's are masked on the right side. |
| 23:15.27 | badargo | im only starting the umask session now but it said umask sets up permissions for new file Tramp 0.o |
| 23:15.35 | ElBriga1982 | When traceroute shows "* * *" for a hop ... what I nedd to configure on my router (raspbian) so it doesnt show as " * * * " on the listing? |
| 23:16.02 | badargo | new files |
| 23:16.10 | ElBriga1982 | I think it has some to do with TTL Exceeded packets... kernel? |
| 23:16.25 | badargo | but this file is not "new"... so why u mask is messing it up? |
| 23:16.27 | Tramp | badargo: and I (and the documaentation of File permissions) said differently. And as you've just shown, I'm right |
| 23:17.46 | Tramp | badargo: read: info "File permissions" and all nodes below it. |
| 23:17.59 | n_blownapart | hello I'm trying to write an alias for .bashrc which has two arguments, 'stack ghci' which is the glasgow haskell compiler within a package manager called stack. I guess it won't take two arguments like this : http://lpaste.net/357082 any advice thanks |
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| 23:20.04 | mongo2 | badargo: POSIX.1-2008 specifies that chmod needs to honor the umask of the PID, but the behavior is not very portable, use the numbers. |
| 23:20.21 | Tramp | n_blownapart: an alias does not take arguments, it's just a textual substitution. The link shows a function, which is the right way to do it. |
| 23:20.42 | mongo2 | coreutils is currently complant, but others may or may not be. |
| 23:21.12 | mongo2 | "Some implementations of chmod never used the umask of the process when changing modes; |
| 23:21.15 | mongo2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.57 | Mick | which flashplayer is the latest version working with iceweasel 3.5.16 ? |
| 23:22.07 | qmr | ew flash |
| 23:22.55 | n_blownapart | Tramp it doesn't work as shown |
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| 23:24.09 | n_blownapart | when I run st factorial.hs I get an options list for the program stack, but the compiler does not fire up |
| 23:24.13 | n_blownapart | Tramp, |
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| 23:25.57 | Tramp | n_blownapart: and that's different from running "stack ghci factorial.hs" ? |
| 23:26.08 | Tramp | you said something about "2 arguments" above |
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| 23:26.34 | john__ | sorry hold on Tramp nickserv switched my nick for some reason |
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| 23:29.23 | n_blownapart | sorry Tramp, do you see a way to use a function similar to what I'm attempting? |
| 23:29.45 | Tramp | n_blownapart: I still don't get your problem - did you see my question above? |
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| 23:33.35 | Mick | exit |
| 23:36.03 | badargo | man chmod page "If none of these are given, the effect is as if (a) were given, but bits that are set in the umask are not affected." |
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| 23:36.47 | badargo | that explains nothing |
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| 23:37.43 | n_blownapart | Tramp I also attempted this to different but incorrect effect http://lpaste.net/357083 |
| 23:37.52 | badargo | umask doesnt mess with chmod a= but mess with chmod a=x, why? |
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| 23:38.49 | Tramp | badargo: "a=" is not the same as "=". But now I give up. I even told you, were to look: info "File permissions". |
| 23:38.58 | Tramp | s/were/where/ |
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| 23:39.46 | Tramp | n_blownapart: no. forget the second one. Tell me, what exactly is wrong with the first one you showed. It looks perfect to me. |
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| 23:40.23 | badargo | Tramp: A combination of the letters ugoa controls which users' access to the |
| 23:40.25 | badargo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.27 | badargo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.29 | badargo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.54 | badargo | if none of these are given, |
| 23:41.01 | badargo | the effect is as if (a) |
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| 23:41.21 | badargo | so how chmod = is not chmod a= |
| 23:41.37 | badargo | thats just false |
| 23:41.47 | Tramp | n_blownapart: as I asked above: is running "stack ghci factorials.hs" on the command-line different from running "st factorials.hs" and, if yes, how? (the first st, not the second) |
| 23:41.53 | rjsalts | badargo: because it has a sentence following that which says except the bits in the umask aren't set |
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| 23:42.19 | rjsalts | badargo: maybe you need a kÅan to provide enlightenment |
| 23:43.13 | Tramp | badargo: exactly, that's false. "a=" and "=" are not the same. |
| 23:43.38 | pingfloyd | n_blownapart: the syntax looks off in the paste |
| 23:44.20 | pingfloyd | n_blownapart: it's wrapped in () instead of { } |
| 23:44.31 | pingfloyd | shouldn't it be st () { ... } |
| 23:44.51 | pingfloyd | I mean st() { ... } |
| 23:45.07 | Tramp | badargo: btw, my manpage is differnt. It reads: If none of these are given, the effect is as if (a) were given, but bits that are set in the umask are not affected. |
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| 23:45.54 | Tramp | uh, () - bummer missed that .... |
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| 23:46.32 | badargo | what bit set in the u mask mean exactly? |
| 23:47.02 | badargo | this man page is poorly writen :S |
| 23:48.35 | n_blownapart | nothing happens when I attempt to use that alias Tramp . all the other aliases pasted here work except for the first one, st , which contains two cli arguments '$ stack ghci ' https://ptpb.pw/01zn |
| 23:48.58 | pingfloyd | don't use an alias |
| 23:49.01 | pingfloyd | use a function |
| 23:49.02 | badargo | umask sets a rule concerning the creation of new directories and files. so the "bits" that are set on that "rule" ... |
| 23:49.24 | n_blownapart | pingfloyd, I attempt it with st() { .... } to no avail |
| 23:49.30 | badargo | i will just read :~ |
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| 23:49.37 | rjsalts | badargo: http://www.networkworld.com/article/3145868/linux/making-umask-work-for-you.html |
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| 23:50.18 | badargo | rjsalts: thank you! |
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| 23:50.50 | Tramp | n_blownapart: these are neither aliases nor (as pingfloyd spotted) shell functions. I have no idea, what these are. |
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| 23:52.01 | n_blownapart | st() { stack ghci "$@" &> /dev/null & } is what I also attempted, which resulted in stack opening an (argument?) options info file |
| 23:52.45 | Tramp | n_blownapart: as I asked above: is running "stack ghci factorials.hs" on the command-line different from running "st factorials.hs" and, if yes, how? (the first st, not the second) |
| 23:52.53 | Tramp | for the 3rd time now. |
| 23:53.39 | Tramp | and now I mean "the third (i.e. the one with the {}" you just pasted in the channel. |
| 23:53.42 | n_blownapart | Tramp weird they all have been working fine including running as background. sorry I made a mistake. hold on pls |
| 23:55.21 | pingfloyd | n_blownapart: http://paste.debian.net/977449/ |
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| 23:56.41 | n_blownapart | pingfloyd, thanks I tried that earlier one sec |
| 23:56.51 | pingfloyd | and are you sure you want to throw away the output? |
| 23:57.05 | pingfloyd | try without the &> /dev/null & |
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| 23:57.56 | n_blownapart | pingfloyd, I like keeping the prompt, if that part is not there the app doesn't run in background |
| 23:58.39 | n_blownapart | but anyway there is no output, if you're just using an alias or shortcut to open an app right? |
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