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| 00:30.14 | Vriaeros | I have installed debian and turned it to testing...I also installed selinux for extra security I am newbie in seinux and I have a question..what command must I give to selinux to allow to run my browser with their addons and function without affecting the rest of the system? |
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| 00:36.36 | Vriaeros | Any help |
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| 00:36.41 | Vriaeros | ? |
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| 00:42.40 | Tom-_ | i don't know at all, Vriaeros, maybe someone will in a few days. you can ask again every now and then.... like in a couple hours |
| 00:42.48 | Tom-_ | your question seems pretty complicated, maybe a forum |
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| 00:43.40 | Vriaeros | I also made the question to selinux channel but without reply |
| 00:45.10 | Tom-_ | i haven't used selinux |
| 00:45.23 | Tom-_ | if you don't know anything about it it's probably not easy to get going |
| 00:45.34 | Tom-_ | not sure you're on the right track |
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| 00:46.21 | Vriaeros | well I tried apparmor but the project is no longer maintained:/ |
| 00:46.39 | Vriaeros | thanks for your help |
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| 00:47.53 | Tom-_ | if you want increased security there's a debian hardening guide somewhere, or you can just look up a guide on securing linux somewhere |
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| 00:59.59 | Evil_ | hi ppl |
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| 01:00.33 | Evil_ | please where i buy kali linux ? |
| 01:00.36 | Evil_ | i wanna hack ppl |
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| 01:00.43 | Evil_ | i want to hack my friends faceboo |
| 01:00.47 | Evil_ | facebook* |
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| 01:03.09 | buu | zzzzzzzzz |
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| 02:20.12 | ikus060 | hello, I ve upgrade debian to strech. since my britness keyboard buttont is doing nothing |
| 02:20.37 | ikus060 | I mean I see the GUI showing control change, but the britness does change |
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| 02:44.40 | Svetlana | is there a tool or a site where i can browse packages by tags ('user interface', 'graphical user interface', 'x window system' etc) as shown at https://packages.debian.org/stretch/lightdm, for example? |
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| 02:45.37 | DeadJew | I have a Windows tablet, it's a 32-bit x86-based tablet with a touch screen |
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| 02:45.53 | DeadJew | the physical buttons are Power, Volume Up, Volume Down |
| 02:46.37 | DeadJew | I can use USB OTG to boot from a USB device, and use a keyboard and mouse. I have an adapter that lets me power the device while doing this, so battery life for the install process is not an issue |
| 02:47.13 | DeadJew | my question is, will debian function in a usable manner with touch input only, plus Power/VolUp/VolDown keys only? |
| 02:47.47 | Svetlana | You'd need an on-screen keyboard. Why not. |
| 02:48.17 | DeadJew | Svetlana: does debian include an on-screen keyboard? |
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| 02:49.56 | Svetlana | Many. florence is one. |
| 02:51.10 | DeadJew | cool. has Debian ever been tried on a tablet before? |
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| 02:53.40 | Svetlana | Yes, https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile and https://wiki.debian.org/TabletAndTouchScreen have info. You'd need to test drivers and then select touch-friendly apps. There is more than one option in the latter regard, but it's manageable; drivers would be harder to manage, if they were indeed an issue. |
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| 02:55.10 | DeadJew | cool |
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| 03:55.30 | hanasaki | should dpkg-reconfigure exim4-conf ask for the smarthost server name when sent by smart host is selected? |
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| 04:06.14 | bsdnoob | hey what's the default mysql root password? |
| 04:06.26 | bsdnoob | I can't get in after the installation |
| 04:06.45 | jukka_palmu | on bsd? |
| 04:06.51 | bsdnoob | jukka_palmu, debian |
| 04:07.07 | bsdnoob | jukka_palmu, debian buster |
| 04:07.11 | jukka_palmu | assumingly it's root unless you set it |
| 04:07.26 | jukka_palmu | which it does ask you to set two passwords during installation |
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| 04:07.41 | bsdnoob | jukka_palmu, it didn't in my case :-? |
| 04:08.32 | jukka_palmu | can you ssh in |
| 04:08.46 | bsdnoob | jukka_palmu, yeah it's my local machine |
| 04:09.13 | jukka_palmu | empty |
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| 04:10.03 | jukka_palmu | try just hitting enter |
| 04:10.23 | bsdnoob | Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' |
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| 04:10.46 | jukka_palmu | see if you can ssh in as root |
| 04:10.56 | jukka_palmu | then "mysql -u root" |
| 04:11.14 | bsdnoob | whoops it works |
| 04:11.17 | jukka_palmu | ok |
| 04:11.18 | bsdnoob | why is that? |
| 04:11.21 | jukka_palmu | nvm |
| 04:11.26 | jukka_palmu | it was an empty string? |
| 04:11.31 | bsdnoob | yup |
| 04:11.38 | jukka_palmu | nice :D |
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| 04:11.57 | bsdnoob | why won't it allow other users to access it? |
| 04:13.12 | jukka_palmu | because they are not privelaged. root is the admin account (so-to-speak) |
| 04:14.02 | jukka_palmu | that's safe. just make sure you have a root password set |
| 04:16.56 | jukka_palmu | bsdnoob: assuming you didn't read up: set a password with "passwd" |
| 04:17.25 | bsdnoob | jukka_palmu, I disabled root account, I just sudo in |
| 04:17.48 | jukka_palmu | ok. to each their own |
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| 04:27.19 | hanasaki | where do you setup exim use tls and a specific port for smarthost? |
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| 04:59.09 | locrian9 | I'm new to git. I currently am looking at two machines that have some '~/dotfiles/.irssi/config' files under a git repo called 'dotfiles' on github. On machine A the file is configured how I want it, and it's been pushed to the github repo 'dotfiles'. On machine B the same '~/dotfiles/.irssi/config' file exists, but there's lots of issues with it, and I'd like to go back, revert, or just have that file l |
| 04:59.15 | locrian9 | ook exactly how my file on the github repo 'dotfiles/.irssi/config' is currenlty. I tried on machine B, while in the '~/dotfiles/.irssi/config' directory to issue 'git pull origin master'. It told me, "Your local changes to the following files would be overwritten by merge: .irssi/config Please, commit your changes or stash them before you can merge." Is there another command that I'm looking for, or is |
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| 05:01.19 | zanshin | locrian9: Do a `git status` on machine B - it sounds like you have some in-flight changes that a `git pull` would over write |
| 05:02.39 | troffasky | has /var/cache/apt/archives been deprecated recently? even though i update weekly, newest file in there is from may 1st |
| 05:04.18 | zanshin | locrian9: You can do a `git checkout -b <branchname>` to move your machine B changes to a branch and commit them there, then checkout master and then do a `git pull`. Or you can Google how to do a `git stash` to isolate the changes. |
| 05:05.57 | zanshin | locrian9: https://git-scm.com/book/en/v1/Git-Tools-Stashing |
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| 05:07.15 | zanshin | locrian9: Or you can throw away the changes to a file with `git checkout -- <filename>` |
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| 05:14.19 | troffasky | whoops never mind - timestamps in /var/cache/apt/archives are the "real" timestamps, not when I downloaded them |
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| 05:39.51 | hanasaki | does smarthost use tls by default? |
| 05:39.57 | hanasaki | for exim |
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| 05:52.56 | Peyam | hi |
| 05:53.09 | Peyam | I have chromium open and I already have 26% RAM usage |
| 05:53.40 | nkuttler | yes, and? |
| 05:53.49 | Peyam | 8GB RAM. debian stable. last release. With xubuntu I got 12% |
| 05:54.04 | Peyam | HAve I done something wrong? |
| 05:54.28 | Peyam | Now I have 25% RAM usag with youtube and hexchat |
| 05:55.04 | Introoter | how do you figure out thats 25%? |
| 05:55.14 | Introoter | (most of it can also be buffer/cache) |
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| 05:56.07 | Peyam | http://paste.debian.net/977736/ why would it have so much cached? |
| 05:56.46 | nkuttler | !free ram |
| 05:56.46 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 05:57.10 | Introoter | because thats how Linux works? |
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| 05:58.19 | Peyam | clearly not all linux distros? |
| 05:59.00 | Introoter | no, that behaviour is the same for every distribution. it's the kernel that does it. |
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| 05:59.42 | Peyam | I am explaining what I experince and you say that's how it works. What about if I have some simulation going on. The RAM would go over 100% |
| 05:59.49 | Peyam | and that's not right |
| 05:59.58 | xormor | what behavior? |
| 06:00.08 | Peyam | too much RAM usage |
| 06:01.04 | aaro | Peyam: xubuntu uses xfce, debian uses gnome by default which uses more resources than xfce, you casn install xfce on debian |
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| 06:01.15 | Peyam | I do have xfce aaro |
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| 06:02.20 | hanasaki | thoughts on debuging exim smarthost "Remote host closed connection in response to initial connection" the openssl client from console works fine |
| 06:02.22 | hanasaki | ?? |
| 06:02.30 | Peyam | debian should be lighter. that's the reason I change in the first place. |
| 06:03.17 | xormor | $ free -m: total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 3904 502 2609 7 792 3174 Swap: 4043 0 4043 |
| 06:04.04 | Peyam | you have lot less RAM |
| 06:04.14 | Peyam | RAMusage* |
| 06:04.16 | xormor | my total RAM memory is 3904M, used is 502M and free is 2609M. |
| 06:04.25 | merimel | dpkg: it's just caching and have nothing to do with big chrome memory usage |
| 06:04.25 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, merimel |
| 06:04.55 | Peyam | xormor, I have 2Gb used ram. and 1Gb cache |
| 06:05.11 | xormor | Peyam, do you have Firefox open? |
| 06:05.18 | xormor | Peyam, perhaps YouTube? |
| 06:05.25 | xormor | Peyam, I will try opening those. |
| 06:05.37 | Peyam | xormor, no only chromium(youtube) and hexchat. |
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| 06:05.58 | xormor | Mem: 3904 645 2458 |
| 06:06.12 | hanasaki | xormor: and Peyam / base server running nothing has 50M used |
| 06:07.02 | xormor | now Firefox, YouTube and HexChat are open: Mem: 3904 775 2313 |
| 06:07.34 | Peyam | Mem: 7970 2172 |
| 06:09.25 | xormor | Peyam, Mem: total: 3904M used: 773M free: 2137M |
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| 06:10.12 | Peyam | Mem: Total 7970 Used 2217 Free 5325 |
| 06:10.13 | xormor | Peyam, now I have HexChat, Chromium and YouTube open. |
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| 06:10.35 | Peyam | xormor, what do you mean? That I'm liying? |
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| 06:12.46 | Peyam | xormor, https://paste.ubuntu.com/25152013/ |
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| 06:15.24 | xormor | Peyam, are you on Ubuntu or Debian? |
| 06:15.28 | Peyam | debian xormor |
| 06:15.30 | xormor | Peyam, I use Debian stable stretch 9.1. |
| 06:15.33 | xormor | ok |
| 06:15.42 | Peyam | me too |
| 06:15.54 | xormor | it seems our computers are in a different state. perhaps different software running. |
| 06:16.04 | Peyam | yeah could be |
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| 06:18.17 | Walakea | after i upgraded to Stretch and started using xfce, my computer seems to freeze once per few days |
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| 06:19.40 | xormor | Peyam, https://pastebin.com/sJn9jaPQ |
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| 06:20.10 | Peyam | gnome-shell |
| 06:20.16 | Peyam | hmm |
| 06:20.23 | xormor | Peyam, https://pastebin.com/raw/sJn9jaPQ |
| 06:20.29 | xormor | Peyam, yes |
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| 06:45.11 | Dirkson | Hey all. Can someone point me to the current way to install flash for firefox? The wiki seems a year or so out of date. |
| 06:47.06 | merimel | pepperflashplugin-nonfree, browser-plugin-freshplayer, browser-plugin-freshplayer |
| 06:47.30 | oerheks | nope, flash is dead, firefox prevents this as of version 53 |
| 06:47.45 | oerheks | look for firefox esr 52, that one will support flash |
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| 06:48.45 | Dirkson | Looks like my firefox is... 45 :D |
| 06:48.58 | Dirkson | merimel: I'll give those a go |
| 06:49.42 | oerheks | https://askubuntu.com/questions/894871/how-to-install-firefox-52-esr-on-16-04 |
| 06:50.03 | oerheks | those flash plugins are not going to work, just saying.. |
| 06:51.30 | Dirkson | merimel: I ended up grabbing "browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash", which works great. Sort of a mash of your suggestions, it looks like : ) |
| 06:52.39 | oerheks | grinn, hard to believe you run firefox 45, and able to install that plugin without updating firefox ( and the rest) |
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| 06:54.33 | Dirkson | oerheks: You know, it IS fairly odd. I only installed this OS like 2 months ago. |
| 06:55.27 | oerheks | never full-upgraded? |
| 06:55.40 | Dirkson | Although the latest firefox provided seems to be 52 anyway, so it's a bit of a moot point. |
| 06:56.16 | Dirkson | Honestly, I rarely do that unless forced. Don't host any services off the box, and updates mean potential for downtime. There's a reason I'm running debian stable :D |
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| 06:56.50 | oerheks | oke, sure you can have a reason, dev or something |
| 06:57.12 | Dirkson | Got it in one : ) |
| 06:57.21 | shtrb | how do people here get the backlog each time (is there a bot for that or every person uses his own clients log) ? |
| 06:57.25 | merimel | >Beginning in Firefox version 52, support for NPAPI plugins in Firefox has ended, except for Adobe Flash. |
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| 06:58.20 | Dirkson | shtrb: I think the usual IRC solution to that problem is "Just stay logged in all the time". |
| 06:58.30 | Dirkson | I don't know if this channel in particular has anything better. |
| 06:58.36 | shtrb | Dirkson , got it thanks |
| 06:59.57 | oerheks | not sure where the logs are no, this used to be the place > https://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/ |
| 07:01.01 | shtrb | I'm getting a 500 from there |
| 07:01.22 | merimel | browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash installs 13 version of plugin; though pepperflashplugin-nonfree downloads 26 |
| 07:01.29 | codebam | how would I fix this https://ptpb.pw/QXHV.png |
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| 07:01.57 | codebam | do I just have to wait? |
| 07:03.38 | Dirkson | merimel: Hunh. Couldn't get pepperflashplugin-nonfree to do anything on its own |
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| 07:05.01 | codebam | flash player sucks |
| 07:07.27 | merimel | i've checked now aaand |
| 07:07.37 | merimel | these packacge wont work |
| 07:07.46 | merimel | one is deleted from repo |
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| 07:08.08 | merimel | my last 24 version of plugin wont update to 26 |
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| 07:09.29 | Dirkson | codebam: No argument here. And yet, content is still in flash format. |
| 07:09.36 | Dirkson | merimel: Interesting |
| 07:10.00 | codebam | does anyone have any idea how I'd fix my dependency issue? |
| 07:10.06 | shtrb | merimel , just an FYI pepper isn't always supported on VOD archives (they just ignore it if it doesn't identify as a known Adobe player version) |
| 07:10.09 | codebam | do I just wait for it to resolve itself? |
| 07:10.47 | shtrb | the answer I got from a VOD provider was "Just install Adobe flash to use our services" |
| 07:11.02 | codebam | wow |
| 07:11.33 | codebam | netflix and spotify stopped using flash, so I don't need it anymore |
| 07:11.43 | codebam | I used to keep chrome installed just to use spotify web |
| 07:12.14 | codebam | tbh spotify flash was a lot better than the shit they have now |
| 07:12.17 | shtrb | The only reason I needed flash was to access the EDU VOD service (recorded lectures) |
| 07:12.20 | codebam | you can't queue songs |
| 07:12.36 | codebam | ohh hmm |
| 07:12.39 | merimel | completelly reinstalled browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash and it working in debian firefox, but not in portable from mozilla |
| 07:12.48 | codebam | well google-chrome should have flash if you just need it for a single site |
| 07:12.58 | codebam | or... |
| 07:13.02 | codebam | did google remove flash |
| 07:13.04 | codebam | idk |
| 07:13.36 | merimel | oh, now plugin appeared everywhere |
| 07:13.40 | merimel | lol |
| 07:14.06 | merimel | recomends browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash |
| 07:14.21 | shtrb | :D |
| 07:14.33 | shtrb | flash should be banned on firewall level |
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| 07:15.18 | codebam | ban drm plz |
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| 07:15.56 | codebam | well anyways, later |
| 07:16.49 | merimel | figured it out now, both pepperflashplugin-nonfree and browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash should be installed |
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| 07:19.26 | preview | does anyone have experience setting up an easy vpn arrangement between two computers on the same network? |
| 07:19.37 | preview | I tried uh vino, but it wouldn't load for me |
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| 07:49.29 | rjak | https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=83855 |
| 07:49.39 | rjak | Someone needs to fix this shit yesterday. |
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| 07:53.57 | vkolchev | how to move gnome 3 panel to bottom? can it be done in gconf somehow? |
| 07:55.07 | merimel | you need to find extension for that task |
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| 07:55.28 | BenNZ | vkolchev: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=224584 |
| 07:55.43 | vkolchev | merimel, BenNZ thx, will look into it |
| 07:56.03 | BenNZ | oh sorry might be different for gnome 3 , not sure why i thought cinnamon , but i would have thought it would be similiar |
| 07:56.15 | vkolchev | BenNZ, wel, it won't help) |
| 07:56.37 | vkolchev | BenNZ, not so simple with Gnome 3, although Cinnamon is based on it |
| 07:56.44 | afidegnum | in fail2ban, what's the difference between RETURN and DROP ? |
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| 07:56.58 | BenNZ | its probably different depending on what version of gnome 3 your using |
| 07:57.04 | merimel | in debian ypu can install number of different extensions and mimic ubuntu unity look |
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| 07:57.51 | vkolchev | merimel, well, I don't need it look like Ubuntu)) Just want the top bar to be in bottom. Used to do this all the time with Xfce and got used to it somehow |
| 07:58.20 | BenNZ | merimel: you could install the yunit packages |
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| 07:58.36 | merimel | top bar probably can't be moved to the bottom in gnome shell |
| 07:58.49 | BenNZ | vkolchev: xfce allows you to configure the desktop , gnome is the way you want it already ...... |
| 07:59.14 | vkolchev | merimel, sad, but okay, will learn to live with it) |
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| 07:59.41 | vkolchev | BenNZ, well, even don't know how to comment. even mustdie has chance to move panel)) |
| 07:59.55 | BenNZ | vkolchev: just remember with gnome , you have to have it they way the gnome devs want it , otherwise your wrong and shouldnt be using linux |
| 07:59.57 | merimel | gnome depending on extensions model â if you want particular functionalty emplement it yourself |
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| 08:00.19 | theparadoxer02 | my battery is getting drained vary fast after i installed ubuntu 16.06. How do i trace the battery consumption ? |
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| 08:00.59 | Walakea | theparadoxer02do you have two GPUs? |
| 08:01.18 | BenNZ | theparadoxer02: this is debian , not ubuntu .... |
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| 08:09.59 | theparadoxer02 | Walakea: i don't know how do i know if i have two ! |
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| 08:13.30 | Walakea | theparadoxer02: what laptop do you have? |
| 08:14.13 | jmcnaught | theparadoxer02: please ask in #ubuntu, this channel is only for #debian |
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| 08:16.21 | theparadoxer02 | Walakea: i have lenvo thinkpad T420s |
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| 08:18.24 | Walakea | theparadoxer02: it has intel + nvidia GPU; for me (on Debian) it helped when i installed bbswitch package, it automatically disabled nvidia GPU |
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| 08:19.20 | Walakea | theparadoxer02: you can also try searching the interwebs about "powertop" |
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| 08:21.57 | merimel | and search for file indexing happening in your DE |
| 08:22.03 | merimel | like baloo in kde |
| 08:22.10 | theparadoxer02 | Walakea: what actually mean interwebs ? |
| 08:22.21 | merimel | just internet |
| 08:22.28 | bazhang | theparadoxer02, internet |
| 08:22.45 | bazhang | theparadoxer02, what version of debian is that |
| 08:23.11 | Wolfie | hello, I'm attempting a live update from jessie to stretch via apt |
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| 08:23.56 | Walakea | Wolfie: i successfully did it with no problems |
| 08:24.06 | Wolfie | and I was wondering what version of (g)libc6 is compiled without support below 3.2 kernels |
| 08:24.24 | Wolfie | i noticed in the change log for glibc (2.21-4) |
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| 08:24.43 | Wolfie | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:24.44 | Wolfie | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:24.44 | Wolfie | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:24.44 | Wolfie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:26.08 | theparadoxer02 | bazhang: 16.04.2 LTS (Xenial Xerus)" |
| 08:26.24 | bazhang | theparadoxer02, thats ubuntu |
| 08:26.52 | Wolfie | I'm a bit confused... does that mean that they dropped support for it via the version configure flag when it was compiled or did they just decide not to make it a priority to make work |
| 08:27.19 | Virgo_ | good morning |
| 08:27.25 | theparadoxer02 | bazhang: ubuntu is based on debian ? |
| 08:27.46 | bazhang | theparadoxer02, ubuntu is not supported in this channel |
| 08:27.50 | Wolfie | it is but its very different |
| 08:27.58 | theparadoxer02 | bazhang: okay |
| 08:28.11 | bazhang | #ubuntu theparadoxer02 |
| 08:28.13 | Wolfie | oops |
| 08:28.21 | Wolfie | i pasted :/ |
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| 08:29.17 | Virgo_ | thats a hard line on logic not to support ubuntu |
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| 08:29.46 | Virgo_ | debian is half dead anyway |
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| 08:31.09 | Wolfie | intresting... |
| 08:31.13 | strk | what do you recommend to convert an audio cd to a set of ogg or mp3 files ? |
| 08:31.30 | strk | dir2ogg lacks an output-directory switch, making it impractical to use |
| 08:31.48 | Wolfie | learn something new everyday the glibc team dropped support for the kernel back in December 2015 |
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| 08:34.17 | Virgo_ | considering that debian is more in line with perl scripting, does that have anything to do with the perl room being called salt? That reminds me of a national security state movie. |
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| 08:35.33 | Virgo_ | its clever. |
| 08:36.33 | jrmu | does debian use perl extensively? |
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| 08:37.46 | Virgo_ | most perl programmers seem to prefer perl |
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| 08:40.37 | jrmu | yes, I agree that perl programmers like perl, but are the debian programmers perl programmers? :) |
| 08:41.05 | Virgo_ | Sounds like a trick question :) |
| 08:41.20 | Virgo_ | of course they do... and the egg came first. \ |
| 08:41.47 | Wolfie | i love the whole chicken before the egg debate with compliation |
| 08:42.20 | Virgo_ | chuckles |
| 08:42.20 | Wolfie | libc6 depends on libgcc1 which depends on libc6 |
| 08:42.38 | Wolfie | which of course keeps looping |
| 08:42.39 | jrmu | what tools in debian are written in perl? |
| 08:42.55 | Wolfie | try uninstalling perl and see???? |
| 08:43.01 | Wolfie | would that work? |
| 08:43.02 | pingfloyd | Wolfie: what's the debate? |
| 08:43.13 | Wolfie | shrugs |
| 08:43.17 | Virgo_ | its more about the terminal lux I believe. |
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| 08:43.27 | pingfloyd | with the toolchain itself there is a chicken and egg situation |
| 08:43.38 | pingfloyd | so in the early stages you have to bootstrap |
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| 08:43.43 | Rembo | hello everyone, one of my raid hard drive got bad sectors, how do i clone the entire disk to another new disk? |
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| 08:43.57 | Wolfie | are you using linux? |
| 08:44.19 | pingfloyd | Wolfie: you asking me? |
| 08:44.23 | Rembo | Wolfie, yes, i'm using using linux |
| 08:44.24 | Wolfie | and what version of raid Rembo |
| 08:44.29 | pingfloyd | oh |
| 08:44.45 | Rembo | Wolfie, it's software raid |
| 08:44.50 | Wolfie | raid0 raid1 raid10 raidx |
| 08:45.00 | pingfloyd | how come you can't just swap the bad drive? |
| 08:45.04 | Rembo | Wolfie, it's a raid10 |
| 08:45.06 | pingfloyd | isn't that the whole point? |
| 08:45.19 | Virgo_ | ^ |
| 08:45.27 | Wolfie | with 10 you should just be able to take the bad drive out and replace it and rebuild the raid |
| 08:45.29 | Virgo_ | yea its one of 10 copies |
| 08:45.32 | pingfloyd | with raid you should be able to swap drives and it should rebuild the array |
| 08:45.40 | Wolfie | raid 0 you hooped though |
| 08:45.51 | Wolfie | iirc 0 is just spanning |
| 08:45.56 | Wolfie | no mirroring or parity |
| 08:46.20 | Rembo | Wolfie, i need to clone the entire drive to another, sector by sector |
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| 08:46.32 | Rembo | Wolfie, how can i do this using dd? |
| 08:46.50 | pingfloyd | Rembo: why do you need to do that? |
| 08:46.53 | Wolfie | raid should do that by it self |
| 08:46.54 | pingfloyd | why at the block level? |
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| 08:47.09 | Wolfie | since its sw it might need a nudge with a command what to do |
| 08:47.19 | Wolfie | least its not fakeraid |
| 08:47.37 | Wolfie | what utility did u use to set up the raid in the first place? |
| 08:47.45 | pingfloyd | those are configuration details that he should know |
| 08:48.04 | pingfloyd | some systems, you just simply swap the drives online and get on with life |
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| 08:48.27 | Wolfie | depends on the setup pingfloyd |
| 08:48.38 | pingfloyd | maybe all else you should do is check up on the rebuild result later |
| 08:48.47 | pingfloyd | Wolfie: exactly |
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| 08:48.58 | pingfloyd | Wolfie: that depends on the hardware and software involved |
| 08:49.12 | Wolfie | there be many software raid's |
| 08:49.18 | Wolfie | and there be many hw raids |
| 08:49.26 | Wolfie | and many "fake"raids |
| 08:49.29 | pingfloyd | many different bells and whistles |
| 08:50.03 | Wolfie | with software raid it should be decently easy |
| 08:50.19 | pingfloyd | especially when you start talking about different raid controllers. |
| 08:50.28 | Wolfie | hw raid its a bit fickle depending wether you had to replace the raid controller which is not the case |
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| 08:50.51 | Wolfie | with fake raid..... |
| 08:50.52 | pingfloyd | I wouldn't bother with hw unless it's more like enterprise |
| 08:51.05 | pingfloyd | they can also foot the bill |
| 08:51.53 | pingfloyd | one big plus to using sw is how open it is. Doesn't have to go to the same controller. |
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| 08:52.01 | Wolfie | Rembo, if it is indeed raid 10 regardless the data should be intact depending on whether the system was able to detect the bad drive |
| 08:52.33 | pingfloyd | pretty much everything in enterprise is handled like a racket |
| 08:52.38 | Wolfie | and stop using it for reads as to prevent contamination |
| 08:53.35 | Virgo_ | pingfloyd... thats clever |
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| 08:54.52 | Wolfie | hmmm |
| 08:55.30 | Wolfie | wouldn't the bootloader need support for sw raid to boot grub or equivilant |
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| 08:55.33 | pingfloyd | Virgo_: what is? |
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| 08:55.49 | Virgo_ | your name silly |
| 08:55.56 | pingfloyd | Virgo_: oh, thanks |
| 08:56.03 | Virgo_ | =D |
| 08:56.25 | Wolfie | never really though about it |
| 08:56.41 | pingfloyd | Wolfie: I think the requirement is for the necessary modules to be included in the initramfs or compiled directly into the kernel |
| 08:57.04 | Wolfie | pingfloyd, yeah |
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| 08:57.17 | Wolfie | but it still would need to know where to look for the initramfs |
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| 08:57.26 | Wolfie | in a raid 10 its a mirrored span |
| 08:57.29 | Wolfie | 4 drives |
| 08:58.30 | Wolfie | lol |
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| 08:59.01 | Wolfie | i hope he doesn't try using device level stuff |
| 08:59.32 | Wolfie | at least not while live |
| 09:00.46 | Wolfie | even while not live... |
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| 09:01.24 | shtrb | Should I open a bug against Firefox-ESR if I get the next message ("Reserved SBR extensions is not implemented. Update your FFmpeg version to the newest one from Git. If the problem still occurs, it means that your file has a feature which has not been implemented.") ? |
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| 09:02.15 | pingfloyd | Wolfie: here's the 411 on that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mdadm#Booting |
| 09:02.16 | Wolfie | the raid stores identifiers on the disk... copying the disc to another and booting it could lead to some uglyness as it sees 2 identical raid drives |
| 09:02.56 | pingfloyd | long story short, it's dependant on a few things |
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| 09:03.18 | newbie17 | hi |
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| 09:03.31 | secmeant | Im getting wpa_supplicant deamon failed to start on ifup wlan0, can missing driver cause this ? |
| 09:03.55 | Tapioco | hi |
| 09:04.05 | Tapioco | please how can I block an ip address with ip tables? |
| 09:04.16 | Tapioco | someone from china keeps connecting to ssh |
| 09:04.35 | shtrb | Tapioco use the country module |
| 09:05.24 | Tapioco | I did iptables -A INPUT -s IP-ADDRESS -j DROP |
| 09:05.29 | shtrb | -m geoip --src-cc CN -j DROP |
| 09:05.36 | shtrb | this will block the entire country |
| 09:05.46 | Tapioco | ok |
| 09:06.23 | Tapioco | -A INPUT -m geoip --src-cc CN -j DROP |
| 09:06.24 | Tapioco | ?? |
| 09:06.32 | shtrb | iptables -m geoip --src-cc CN -j DROP |
| 09:06.37 | Tapioco | ok |
| 09:06.45 | shtrb | iptables -A INPUT -m geoip --src-cc CN -j DROP |
| 09:06.46 | shtrb | sorry |
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| 09:07.00 | shtrb | (*) but you need to have geoip module installed |
| 09:07.08 | Tapioco | could not load geoip |
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| 09:08.30 | secmeant | deamon failed to start problem is gone after reinstalling driver and rebooting, however cant see wireless network list on broadcom 4312 even if 'ifup wlan0' works and i have internet connection, anyone know how to solve this please ? |
| 09:08.44 | shtrb | Tapioco , did you install geoip support ? |
| 09:08.51 | Tapioco | yes |
| 09:09.36 | Tapioco | Could not open /usr/share/xt_geoip/LE/CN.iv4: No such file or directory iptables v1.4.21: Could not read geoip database |
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| 09:11.07 | shtrb | I think it didn't download the actual db (there was an update script that need to be run , blame systemd for not starting it) |
| 09:13.13 | Tapioco | anyway |
| 09:13.15 | Tapioco | why |
| 09:13.21 | Tapioco | I did iptables -A INPUT -s IP-ADDRESS -j DROP |
| 09:13.24 | Tapioco | is not working? |
| 09:13.53 | apollo13 | that strongly depends on what has been in the input chain before |
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| 09:14.57 | shtrb | Tapioco , you may need to unzip the zip files under /usr/share/xt_geoip/ (use the xt_build option ) |
| 09:15.35 | shtrb | *and use xt_build |
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| 09:18.35 | lukas_gab | Hi! Folks - I need your help. I want to write start script to start all virtual machines on my KVM, when serwer start. Script is simple, but how Debian can trigger this script on start up ? |
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| 09:19.13 | lukas_gab | On Windows I have system scheduler, but Debian has some similar ? |
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| 09:19.49 | shtrb | lukas_gab , cron + systemd timers |
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| 09:20.18 | lukas_gab | but cron start period, I want to start this script only ona startup |
| 09:20.21 | shtrb | it has more "features" and more adjustments |
| 09:20.41 | jmcnaught | lukas_gab: if you are using libvirt you can "virsh -c qemu:///system autostart domain" |
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| 09:20.55 | lukas_gab | hmmm interesting |
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| 09:21.14 | Bastien__ | Hello, I have created a bootable USB key of Debian 9.1 which starts but I propose only to install it! How to test it in live? Thank you |
| 09:21.25 | nkuttler | lukas_gab: see also man 5 crontab |
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| 09:21.41 | lukas_gab | ok, thanks, go read man |
| 09:21.49 | lukas_gab | thanks gor your help |
| 09:21.58 | nkuttler | but libvirt would be my first choice |
| 09:22.05 | shtrb | you can setup a service to only start on boot (systemd service or in a timer (one time) ) |
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| 09:22.54 | Bastien__ | Hello, I have created a bootable USB key of Debian 9.1 which starts but I propose only to install it! How to test it in live? Thank you |
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| 09:43.38 | emx | i have this message when trying to access a glusterfs shared over samba: Error loading module '/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/samba/vfs/glusterfs.so': /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/samba/vfs/glusterfs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 09:43.48 | emx | is samba-vfs-modules the package that i am missing? |
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| 09:48.15 | cruncher | emx, yes |
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| 09:49.37 | emx | cruncher, that so file is not contained in it. |
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| 09:50.04 | emx | using samba 4.2.14-Debian |
| 09:51.29 | emx | there might be a workaround for this: when i mount glusterfs into my filesystem, i can simply share that one instead of using vfs. correct? |
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| 09:57.02 | Tapioco | please help, is someone able to install xtables from dkms sources on jessie? |
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| 09:59.56 | jingojang | !verify |
| 10:00.00 | jingojang | hi |
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| 10:00.37 | jingojang | what was the correct command to check the sha256sum of an already burned DVD again? |
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| 10:01.22 | jingojang | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:04.46 | merimel | you can checksum source files, and then checksum disc files, and then compare both lists |
| 10:05.30 | jingojang | you mean iso files? |
| 10:06.49 | jingojang | yes - but i think either my burner always messes up the specific dvd or there is another reason why the shasums differ |
| 10:07.28 | jingojang | the sha256sum of the disc and the iso are different, but all the discs have the same sha256 |
| 10:07.38 | jingojang | so maybe my command is wrong? |
| 10:08.17 | jingojang | (i tried burning it 3 times in total) |
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| 10:10.25 | cruncher | jingojang, to test, create a iso of the dvd, then check the iso with sha256sum |
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| 10:12.34 | jingojang | good advice, thanks, will try that |
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| 11:17.17 | guoruei | hello |
| 11:18.43 | guoruei | i look for a python script to do this |
| 11:19.31 | guoruei | pseudocolor.py -in a.png -out b.png |
| 11:19.44 | guoruei | for photo to pseudo color picture |
| 11:19.58 | nkuttler | sounds like you want #python |
| 11:20.05 | guoruei | yes |
| 11:20.10 | guoruei | but |
| 11:20.19 | guoruei | You cannot send messages to #python-unregistered. |
| 11:20.37 | guoruei | what is going on this |
| 11:20.43 | Wolfie | its nickserv |
| 11:20.56 | Wolfie | */msg nickserv help |
| 11:20.58 | nkuttler | guoruei: you need to register, ask in #freenode for help with that |
| 11:21.23 | guoruei | how to register |
| 11:21.24 | Wolfie | its sent you to the unregisted channel due to not having a nickserve account on freenode |
| 11:21.34 | Wolfie | ./msg nickserv help register |
| 11:21.37 | guoruei | ok ..i try to go #freenode for help |
| 11:21.43 | guoruei | thank you |
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| 11:41.33 | faraco_ | hi guys, can I get help on how to include file images in autotools project for packaging? I'm not sure where else to ask (#autotools seems inactive to begin with) |
| 11:42.54 | faraco_ | I been following https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9242524/how-to-package-data-files-with-gnus-autoconf-and-automake this, but when doing autoreconf --install, it says 'missing data.in'? |
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| 11:52.27 | Nong1 | ããã |
| 11:52.33 | Nong1 | sorry... |
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| 11:53.01 | Nong1 | i want chang my name Nong1 to Nong... |
| 11:53.21 | Nong1 | I do not kown how to do |
| 11:53.57 | SPF | that name is already in use |
| 11:54.12 | Nong1 | ...or guoruei |
| 11:54.17 | Nong1 | chang to guoruei |
| 11:54.22 | faraco_ | hi |
| 11:54.31 | Nong1 | ,,...cry... |
| 11:54.32 | faraco_ | you can do /nick name-of-choice |
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| 11:59.56 | metaphysician | What is the difference between .orig-src.tar.xz and .orig.tar.xz archives? |
| 12:00.27 | Logg | onces the source code and one's the program problably |
| 12:01.28 | guoruei | ye |
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| 12:09.05 | forcerecon | is there a terminal command to delete all games in debian or do you ahve to do them one at a time? |
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| 12:13.32 | preview | does anyone have experience setting up vnc on a local network? |
| 12:13.40 | preview | I'm trying to find a gui tool to do it for me |
| 12:13.46 | preview | vino didn't seem to work |
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| 12:13.54 | preview | running Sid |
| 12:13.56 | apollo13 | vino works fine |
| 12:14.07 | apollo13 | sid is not supported in here |
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| 12:22.29 | Tom-_ | forcecon, you can use dselect or aptitude or synaptic to make it faster |
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| 12:32.59 | zOthix | what does [ which chsh ] command does? |
| 12:33.46 | Logg | use `man` |
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| 12:35.47 | zOthix | got it, thanks ! |
| 12:35.53 | Logg | :) |
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| 12:38.29 | zOthix | what does " s " stands for in file permissions ? |
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| 12:52.22 | shtrb | Is there a small tasklet to get a GUI in debian that would resolve in less than 2 GB root ? |
| 12:53.48 | apollo13 | well my debian install from yesterday took 900mb, fluxbox probably doesn't need a gb |
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| 12:54.23 | shtrb | wow cool |
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| 12:54.36 | shtrb | looks for a fluxbox on google |
| 12:55.16 | apollo13 | though if you want an app like firefox to run, that will certainly pull in a bit more |
| 12:56.05 | shtrb | That's part of my need |
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| 12:57.47 | shtrb | the disk size is 2 GB and I wondered if there is anything I can actually use it |
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| 12:59.42 | shtrb | what I need is a terminal , FF / chrome an IRC client running and cmake and g++ |
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| 13:14.13 | jstolarek | how can I learn what options were used to compile Debian's openvpn package? |
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| 13:14.29 | HSorgYves | Morning |
| 13:15.06 | HSorgYves | May I convert my main partition from ext3 to ext4 on a running system or do I need to boot from a Live CD? |
| 13:16.02 | jstolarek | auth-user-pass setting doesn't work for me and I don't know if this is the server's fault (not enabling auth-user-pass-verify) or the openvpn client on debian not being compiled with --enable-password-save |
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| 13:20.49 | hanasaki | have a thought as to why exim would be failing to connect to a smarthost? Remote host closed connection in response to initial connection connects fine manually with ssl client |
| 13:21.12 | Wolfie | HSorgYves, https://debian-administration.org/article/643/Migrating_a_live_system_from_ext3_to_ext4_filesystem |
| 13:21.27 | Wolfie | its an outdated article but should still apply |
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| 13:22.00 | Wolfie | well... actually it uses grub where debian is using grub2 |
| 13:22.17 | HSorgYves | Wolfie: would you recommend doing so or better stick with ext3? |
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| 13:23.21 | Wolfie | why are you running ext3 HSorgYves ? |
| 13:23.53 | Wolfie | an old install? |
| 13:24.17 | HSorgYves | Yes, installed in 2011 |
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| 13:26.23 | Wolfie | what version of debian are you running? |
| 13:28.00 | HSorgYves | Currently Jessie, preparing to upgrade to Stretch, was wondering if I shouldn't upgrade the file system too ;-) |
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| 13:31.13 | Wolfie | HSorgYves, how many partitons make up your system |
| 13:31.31 | Wolfie | do you have seperate /boot partitions |
| 13:31.50 | Wolfie | and such |
| 13:32.04 | HSorgYves | Nope, 2 partitions, 1 for files, 1 for swap |
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| 13:34.29 | nkuttler | HSorgYves: upgrading to ext4 is easy |
| 13:34.45 | nkuttler | it's just tune2fs to add a journal, though you won't get 100% of the benefits |
| 13:35.37 | Wolfie | nkuttler, not 100% true |
| 13:36.11 | HSorgYves | nkuttler: not if I can't unmount the partition |
| 13:36.13 | Wolfie | if HSorgYves doesn't adjust the fstab i don't think it can mount |
| 13:36.32 | nkuttler | well, yeah, you need some live system |
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| 13:36.58 | Wolfie | HSorgYves, |
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| 13:37.08 | moldy | hi |
| 13:37.10 | Wolfie | follow this Converting a root filesystem to ext4 |
| 13:37.10 | Wolfie | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.25 | nkuttler | !ext3->ext4 |
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| 13:39.12 | nkuttler | dpkg: ping |
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| 13:39.18 | nkuttler | dpkg: ext3->ext4 |
| 13:39.19 | dpkg | To enable <ext4> features on an existing unmounted <ext3> file system (Linux 2.6.28 or later required): 'tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index /dev/sda1' (where sda1 is the partition containing the ext3 file system), then 'e2fsck -fD /dev/sda1' to fix modified on-disk structures. Don't forget to modify /etc/fstab and specify ext4 for the file system. Some ext4 features (e.g. flex_bg) can only be enabled during format via mke2fs. |
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| 13:44.52 | HSorgYves | nkuttler: i can't unmount it |
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| 14:10.53 | jelly | HSorgYves, if it's your root filesystem you'll need to do it off a livecd or similar, when it's not mounted |
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| 14:12.03 | jelly | mind you, only newly created and updated files are going to use newer features |
| 14:12.07 | jelly | like extents |
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| 14:13.11 | HSorgYves | jelly, so you think it's not worth upgrading? |
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| 14:25.32 | jelly | HSorgYves, if you want to have full benefits, it's more worth to backup all the files, reformat to ext4, and restore |
| 14:26.23 | zlepper | How do I figure out what keeps crashing my server? /var/log/syslog doesn't contain any hints as far as I can see: https://pastebin.com/i9ekBgXA |
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| 14:33.20 | carmelo11 | hi |
| 14:33.30 | carmelo11 | I would like to know if I can use rufus to create a debian-netinst.iso image bootable usb |
| 14:34.17 | carmelo11 | Using rufus i the ISO remains intact? |
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| 14:45.39 | abrotman | carmelo11: from windows? use win32diskimager |
| 14:45.59 | jelly | carmelo11, rufus and unetbootin are known to mess things up |
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| 14:49.00 | carmelo11 | If you want to do the manual procedure from debian I just run these commands: |
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| 14:49.22 | carmelo11 | download http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
| 14:49.34 | carmelo11 | zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb |
| 14:49.50 | carmelo11 | before format partion with fat32 |
| 14:50.01 | carmelo11 | zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb |
| 14:50.26 | carmelo11 | e then copy netinst.iso into partition |
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| 14:50.40 | carmelo11 | is correct? |
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| 14:52.32 | abrotman | carmelo11: what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:54.20 | carmelo11 | abrotman I need to install debian 9 from a usb key, as method 1 has created problems i want to create the usb key with the alternative method |
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| 14:55.17 | tremolo | Why not dd the iso file to the usb drive? |
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| 14:56.55 | carmelo11 | tremolo I create the following error message and I also have problems when I open gparted to reformat it |
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| 14:57.36 | carmelo11 | tremolo "the driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes but linux says it is 512 bytes" |
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| 14:58.25 | carmelo11 | the error message is when I use this method: |
| 14:58.48 | Nemo_bis | How to do usb_modeswitch on rt2500 usb wifi stick (https://wiki.debian.org/rt2500usb) if it's not done by debian automatically? The stick model is WLI-U2-KG54-AI WLAN |
| 14:58.53 | carmelo11 | method1: cp debian-netinst.iso /dev/sdb; sync |
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| 14:59.29 | carmelo11 | method2: dd if=debian-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M; sync |
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| 15:00.50 | carmelo11 | Can I use the method3? |
| 15:01.21 | tremolo | If your usb disk is /dev/sdb |
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| 15:01.41 | carmelo11 | usb disk is /dev/sdb |
| 15:02.25 | carmelo11 | step1: download http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
| 15:02.45 | carmelo11 | step2: format usb with fat32 for create a partition |
| 15:03.07 | carmelo11 | step3: zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb |
| 15:03.30 | carmelo11 | step4: and then copy netinst.iso inside partition |
| 15:03.37 | carmelo11 | is correct? |
| 15:03.49 | bitfreak25 | @carmelo11 I came to the same problem than you, but I could use the USB key anyway for installation |
| 15:04.16 | tremolo | If your goal is to install from a usb drive, it is probably much easier to download an installer iso and use dd to copy that to the usb drive. |
| 15:05.16 | carmelo11 | but this method3 is correct? |
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| 15:05.42 | tremolo | I'm not familiar with it. |
| 15:06.12 | carmelo11 | tremolo http://guide.debianizzati.org/index.php/Installare_Debian_da_pendrive_USB_o_SD_card |
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| 15:07.09 | bitfreak25 | carmelo11 have you already tested the created USB-Drive for installation? |
| 15:07.20 | bitfreak25 | or where is the problem? |
| 15:07.26 | tremolo | If I read that, you will still know as much about it as I do. :D |
| 15:08.10 | carmelo11 | bitfreak25 I still have to test Method 3 if you confirm me |
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| 15:10.12 | bitfreak25 | okay sorry, i have never tested method3 |
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| 15:14.13 | bitfreak25 | btw. i've got a problem when installing with the new debian 9.1 installer.. during installation, when the grub installer is on the point "update grub" its hanging and there is always the same harddrive access over and over again |
| 15:14.24 | holy_cow | Hello, I have flashplugin-nonfree installed but neither firefox nor chromium can run flash. Chromium says can't load plugin and firefox displays download adobe flash page. Please help. |
| 15:16.36 | bitfreak25 | after poweroff-shutdown grub is installed, but i cant access the installed Debian with the choosen passwords |
| 15:19.01 | carmelo11 | zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb return me "gzip: stdout: No space left on device" my pendrive is 1GB |
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| 15:25.46 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. Is K3b so bad at ripping CDs that Debian didn't put it on their page on CD Ripping? (https://wiki.debian.org/Ripping) |
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| 15:28.25 | tremolo | I didn't realize k3b could rip CDs. It's been decent at burning them, though. |
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| 15:43.03 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
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| 16:11.57 | discovered | I am getting boot error "Couldn't find mci handler " |
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| 16:18.27 | ned_- | why the new debian 9 called stretch ? |
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| 16:19.17 | discovered | What kind of error is this? |
| 16:19.37 | discovered | i love to stretch !!! :) |
| 16:19.47 | ned_- | stretching :) |
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| 16:24.17 | guoruei | https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/python-gdal/rgb2pct.1.en.html |
| 16:24.17 | guoruei | how can i install that ? |
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| 16:25.35 | guoruei | anyone ? |
| 16:26.47 | CoderEurope | !install |
| 16:26.47 | dpkg | There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 16:28.19 | guoruei | $ python rgb2pct.py |
| 16:28.19 | guoruei | python: can't open file 'rgb2pct.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory |
| 16:28.19 | guoruei | CoderEurope: |
| 16:28.26 | guoruei | CoderEurope: |
| 16:28.26 | guoruei | ... |
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| 16:35.31 | victorqueiroz | Hi guys |
| 16:35.38 | victorqueiroz | Why I can't install linux headers on sid? |
| 16:36.42 | towo` | who knows |
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| 16:36.54 | towo` | "i can't" is saying zero |
| 16:37.14 | victorqueiroz | You're right |
| 16:37.15 | victorqueiroz | One sec |
| 16:37.29 | towo` | and btw, wrong channel |
| 16:37.45 | victorqueiroz | "linux-headers-amd64 depends on linux-headers-4.11.0-2-amd64 but it's not going to be installed' |
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| 16:37.52 | towo` | support for unstable or testing is in #debian-next on oftc |
| 16:37.55 | victorqueiroz | ' impossible to correct problems you kelp hold packages' |
| 16:38.44 | victorqueiroz | I downloaded linux-source and I'm compiling it |
| 16:38.52 | victorqueiroz | It's possible to install headers through there? |
| 16:39.00 | zaturek | hi guys! There is any option to download a package with its dependencies and install it to an offline computer? |
| 16:39.32 | zaturek | keryx doesn't work |
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| 16:39.40 | zaturek | apt-offline either |
| 16:39.49 | zaturek | apt-media either |
| 16:39.51 | victorqueiroz | #debian-next is invitation only |
| 16:39.56 | m___ | Can i get a newer version of KDE with Debian Stretch and if yes how? |
| 16:39.58 | towo` | no is not |
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| 16:40.04 | m___ | Can i get a newer version of KDE with Debian Stretch and if yes how? |
| 16:40.08 | towo` | victorqueiroz, oftc is not freenode |
| 16:40.09 | m___ | right now it's: KDE 5.34.0 / Plasma 5.10.0 |
| 16:40.12 | m___ | http://imgur.com/a/cb8ni |
| 16:40.19 | Igel | victorqueiroz: may be you have installed linux-kernel-4.1.1 (specifically, not the meta-package, linux-kernel.. or linux-image.) |
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| 16:40.33 | victorqueiroz | How can I proceed lgel? |
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| 16:40.46 | victorqueiroz | Thank you towo`, I'll take a look |
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| 16:47.23 | abrotman | m___: not easily |
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| 16:52.07 | merimel | m___: if you really need latest KDE, you can consider kubuntu, they have kde updates more often and now they have 5.10 |
| 16:52.17 | m___ | i would like to try, do u have a link or suggestion abrotman |
| 16:52.40 | zaturek | please guys! install build-essentials offline without keryx and apt-offline? there is even possible? |
| 16:53.20 | discovered | I switched debian to kubuntu and then to debian again |
| 16:53.39 | merimel | also there is kdesrc-build package in debian "tool for building KDE from its source repositories" |
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| 16:54.27 | kaboutur | discovered: how was kubuntu? :) |
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| 16:55.16 | discovered | buggy ! |
| 16:56.22 | discovered | too much crash , kaboutur |
| 16:56.34 | kaboutur | better run it in a vm :) |
| 16:57.14 | merimel | which version of kubuntu you were using? |
| 16:57.25 | m___ | merimel: I don't really need the very latest KDE and i don't wanna go back to this Ubuntu world. |
| 16:57.25 | discovered | 16.4 |
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| 16:57.49 | discovered | The LTS |
| 16:57.55 | merimel | pretty recent |
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| 16:58.21 | merimel | 32 bit? |
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| 16:58.50 | discovered | No. 64 bit. asus x99 mobo,6800k |
| 16:59.57 | discovered | I don't think KDE will have anything new until 6.x |
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| 17:00.54 | merimel | but bugfixes important top |
| 17:00.58 | merimel | *too |
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| 17:03.29 | m___ | I went from Kubuntu to Manjaro, then Korora, Ubuntu Unity, lastly i went to Netrunner. Hope that's not a problem |
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| 17:04.23 | kaboutur | all these strange distributions these days |
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| 17:07.51 | m___ | Unity was quite decent, this is why i chose to unitify my KDE a little bit. little bit gnome also in it. |
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| 17:07.52 | m___ | http://imgur.com/a/Vz7od |
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| 17:09.07 | merimel | unity 7 was good DE/WM, I agree |
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| 17:10.22 | m___ | yes |
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| 17:47.40 | m_ | [18:59:57] <discovered> I don't think KDE will have anything new until 6.x . I think you're right, maybe i better concentrate on the stability of the system and not use the very latest bleeding edge . |
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| 17:52.18 | Manis | Hi. Is anyone running Debian on a Raspberry Pi 3? |
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| 17:52.44 | merimel | it's raspbian on rpi |
| 17:53.25 | Manis | No I mean real Debian, not the hack they've created. |
| 17:54.49 | merimel | i thought it'a a same thing, just with firmwares |
| 17:54.53 | merimel | for rpi |
| 17:55.41 | Manis | Well then Ubuntu is also the same thing, just different packages |
| 17:56.26 | merimel | ubuntu has different release cycle, codenames |
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| 17:56.42 | merimel | raspbian sticks to debian naming |
| 17:57.12 | Manis | it does, but releases are not the same. Afaik they're still on Jessie |
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| 17:58.05 | Manis | Also they use their patched kernel |
| 17:58.22 | merimel | http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/ |
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| 18:02.48 | rly | Which display manager can remember the session type of the user? |
| 18:03.14 | nkuttler | rly: almost all of them? |
| 18:03.22 | nkuttler | xdm doesn't.. |
| 18:03.26 | rly | nkuttler: then why do none currently work? |
| 18:03.38 | rly | nkuttler: sddm doesn't, slim doesn't, lightdm, doesn't. |
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| 18:03.58 | nkuttler | then pick one that does.. like gdm, kdm.. |
| 18:04.01 | rly | nkuttler: I am like "WTF have they done?!". |
| 18:04.34 | rly | nkuttler: the KDE people recommend SDDM. |
| 18:04.52 | nkuttler | well, apparently it doesn't do what you want.. |
| 18:04.55 | rly | nkuttler: I'd like to see the distribution to not distribute sddm in the first place if it doesn't work. |
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| 18:05.34 | rly | nkuttler: don't you mean gdm3? |
| 18:05.35 | teraflops | rly: not doing what you want != it doesnt work |
| 18:05.59 | rly | teraflops: going against all previous defined behavior = doesn't work. |
| 18:06.17 | nkuttler | rly: nonsense, you just picked the wrong tool |
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| 18:06.29 | rly | nkuttler: I upgraded and it stopped working. |
| 18:06.38 | nkuttler | rly: file a bug report |
| 18:06.52 | rly | nkuttler: why would I? There were about 10 things I had to fix. |
| 18:07.02 | rly | nkuttler: it's not like there are zero bugs left. |
| 18:07.11 | teraflops | rly: if it should do what you want but it doesnt, go file a bug |
| 18:07.49 | rly | nkuttler: anyway, thanks for your answer. I doubt it will work, but if I am not back in 30 minutes consider this a thank you. |
| 18:08.44 | teraflops | anyway "going against all previous defined behavior = doesn't work." is not accurate at all |
| 18:09.33 | rly | teraflops: let's put it differently. If anyone would bring sddm to market, it would be a market failure. |
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| 18:10.02 | rly | teraflops: it doesn't have the features existing solutions have and it doesn't do anything better. |
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| 18:10.06 | nkuttler | rly: do you have a support question we can help you with? |
| 18:10.12 | teraflops | ⦠|
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| 18:10.57 | teraflops | rly: ok, but it's just this is not the right place for ranting about sddm |
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| 18:11.52 | rly | teraflops: ok, then consider this user feedback in that a *stable* release upgrade didn't work (the whole Internet is full of reports, btw.). Some of the issues I encountered were even years old. |
| 18:12.04 | BluesKaj | rly, join #systemd chat |
| 18:12.36 | teraflops | lol why systemd? |
| 18:12.48 | teraflops | oh well it's sunday⦠|
| 18:12.50 | rly | BluesKaj: Debian developers decided to ship systemd. |
| 18:12.57 | teraflops | bails |
| 18:13.32 | BluesKaj | sddm problems might get some attention there |
| 18:13.46 | rly | BluesKaj: how can I convince you to stop speaking about topics you don't understand? |
| 18:13.59 | abrotman | BluesKaj: please just stop |
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| 18:14.35 | BluesKaj | oh my finally a "please" |
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| 18:14.51 | abrotman | BluesKaj: Seriously, just stop. You're not helping |
| 18:15.00 | rly | For what it's worth, systemd indeed was broken in various horrible ways during the upgrade, but I fixed it and it now works with less warnings then before. Boot time was multiplied by two, though. |
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| 18:15.38 | rly | Debian 8 vs 9, 9 is definitely sluggish. |
| 18:16.21 | teraflops | rly: if you have an issue with your boot time, describe it in detail and maybe we can help you |
| 18:16.50 | rly | teraflops: it's probably faster if I do systemd-analyze myself, but I'd rather have seen that this was tested *before* release. |
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| 18:17.08 | teraflops | rly: youre still in rant mode⦠|
| 18:17.30 | rly | teraflops: do you consider negative feedback to be useless? |
| 18:17.38 | rly | teraflops: because that's where we disagree. |
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| 18:18.00 | teraflops | rly: youre not proving anything, youre just ranting |
| 18:18.24 | rly | teraflops: I am an expert Debian user. If it doesn't work, someone somewhere made a mistake. |
| 18:18.38 | abrotman | FLW |
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| 18:18.48 | teraflops | but, it's ok, not my business |
| 18:18.49 | rly | teraflops: I would never upgrade a corporate system, btw. |
| 18:19.08 | rly | teraflops: replace, yes. Upgrade scripts never work. |
| 18:19.23 | rly | (At least, not the ones written by the Debian organisation.) |
| 18:19.23 | abrotman | that's a lie |
| 18:19.42 | rly | abrotman: I have never seen any Debian upgrade work and I have done about 10 by hand or so. |
| 18:19.46 | abrotman | rly: you're doing something wrong, guaranteed. I've had systems (successfully) go through five stable versions |
| 18:19.49 | teraflops | rly: I dont care, do not take it as an offense, it's just I do not care |
| 18:19.50 | rly | abrotman: they only work on servers. |
| 18:19.55 | abrotman | rly: again, that's a lie |
| 18:20.17 | abrotman | rly: so, if you want us to help you with some issue, give us the information, otherwise, take the ranting elsewhere |
| 18:20.20 | rly | abrotman: I would be willing to declare that under oath. |
| 18:20.23 | abrotman | (file bugs, help fix packages) |
| 18:20.32 | abrotman | rly: great, you'd be lying .. Congratulations |
| 18:20.57 | rly | abrotman: how can you claim that Debian has no bugs in the upgrade scripts of 50000 packages? |
| 18:21.13 | abrotman | I didn't say that, you said it *never* works. That's not true |
| 18:21.20 | rly | abrotman: it has never worked for me. |
| 18:21.30 | rly | abrotman: I am sure that it works on corporate servers. |
| 18:21.33 | abrotman | As I said above .. sounds like a PEBKAC |
| 18:21.48 | rly | abrotman: no, it's because I have packages installed that are tested less. |
| 18:21.50 | abrotman | I've done dist-upgrades on laptops, desktops, servers .. |
| 18:21.57 | abrotman | rly: sure, whatever excuse you'd like to make |
| 18:22.01 | rly | abrotman: and so have I. On servers it works, sure. |
| 18:22.13 | abrotman | rly: again, either help fix the packages or file bugs .. |
| 18:22.16 | teraflops | if you have issues that your expertise cannot fix feel free to describe them in detail so we can try to help |
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| 18:22.33 | abrotman | "I have a vague problem that you're all too stupid to help me with!!!" |
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| 18:22.50 | rly | teraflops: there are only issues that I don't want to solve. Not issues I cannot solve. |
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| 18:23.10 | abrotman | hah |
| 18:23.22 | rly | teraflops: the only reason my upgrades fail is because there is no continuous integration infrastructure for upgrades. |
| 18:23.30 | abrotman | rly: so why are you wasting our time .. go fix your problems |
| 18:23.43 | rly | abrotman: you could just say "thanks for the feedback". |
| 18:23.50 | teraflops | rly: then this is not the right place for you |
| 18:23.53 | rly | abrotman: and then add a number to the number of unhappy users. |
| 18:23.58 | abrotman | rly: most of us are not DDs |
| 18:24.05 | rly | abrotman: and then continue with the rest of your life. |
| 18:24.09 | abrotman | rly: again, file bugs or fix packages. Ranting in #debian won't help anyone |
| 18:24.15 | abrotman | as an "expert", you should know that |
| 18:24.21 | teraflops | rly: thanks for the feedback |
| 18:24.24 | teraflops | !next |
| 18:24.24 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 18:24.29 | rly | \o/ |
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| 18:29.12 | ee1 | Hi. I'm running virt-manager as interface for handing my virtual machines but I have some problems running VPN with it. If I run openvpn on the host, i can't connect to internet on the WM. I'm running NAT on the vmware. |
| 18:29.56 | jmcnaught | ee1: virt-manager + vmware? |
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| 18:33.46 | teraflops | ee1: hmm may I ask what's the point of using openvpn server on the host (doing NAT) and the client on a VM on the same machine? |
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| 18:34.31 | teraflops | I mean youre on the same machine what's the point of using a tunnel? |
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| 18:40.06 | littlekitty_ | sorry to ask but what exactly is a tunnel? |
| 18:40.12 | littlekitty_ | a ssh connection? |
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| 18:42.59 | teraflops | you can make ssh tunnels |
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| 18:43.34 | teraflops | littlekitty_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunneling_protocol |
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| 18:45.35 | CoderEurope | littlekitty_, you can use this : https://github.com/apenwarr/sshuttle |
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| 18:46.42 | teraflops | ,v iodine |
| 18:46.43 | judd | Package: iodine on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.6.0~rc1-12+deb7u1; wheezy: 0.6.0~rc1-12+deb7u1; jessie: 0.7.0-3; sid: 0.7.0-7; buster: 0.7.0-7; stretch: 0.7.0-7 |
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| 18:49.30 | teraflops | hmm, I do iodine for DNS tunneling, never heard of sshuttle |
| 18:49.31 | littlekitty_ | so its a protocol foreign to all the nodes but then again it's self-explaining to them so they can use it as long as there is a connection? |
| 18:50.08 | teraflops | littlekitty_: I think the wkipedia entry gives a good description |
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| 18:50.25 | aguitel | anyway to install flash in stretch ? |
| 18:50.38 | aguitel | with debian way |
| 18:51.56 | jmcnaught | aguitel: currently there is not. The best way to handle this is to take it as a sign that Flash should be dead and stop using it. But if you really need flash, you can download the tarball from adobe.com and put the .so file in ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 18:52.38 | merimel | aguitel: install browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash and pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:52.40 | littlekitty_ | another page says port forwarding and tunneling are synonyms.. |
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| 18:53.04 | jmcnaught | ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:53.05 | judd | Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib: 1.8.1+deb8u1; sid/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1; buster/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1 |
| 18:53.18 | jmcnaught | merimel: pepperflashplugin-nonfree is not in stretch |
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| 18:53.53 | jmcnaught | maybe installing the jessie version is better? flash's days are numbered either way |
| 18:54.22 | aguitel | jmcnaught, merimel ok |
| 18:54.23 | merimel | yes, jessie version is worth of try |
| 18:54.45 | merimel | it's just scrits for downloading |
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| 18:55.02 | merimel | or very simple programms |
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| 19:06.45 | Nemo_bis | Retry: How to do usb_modeswitch on rt2500 usb wifi stick (https://wiki.debian.org/rt2500usb) if it's not done by debian automatically? The stick model is WLI-U2-KG54-AI WLAN |
| 19:07.55 | default__ | Should I upgrade from stable to Buster, or to testing? |
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| 19:10.17 | jmcnaught | default__: what is the purpose of upgrading? |
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| 19:11.44 | merimel | newer gui applications like firefox, steam, mpv, kde, etc â if it's home desktop |
| 19:11.46 | default__ | Newer packages. |
| 19:11.52 | jmcnaught | default__: buster and testing are the same thing, and you should always use release codenames in your sources.list. Note however that because stable was just released there aren't much newer versions of things yet |
| 19:12.12 | jmcnaught | also the early part of testing can be turbulent as big changes get pushed through |
| 19:12.18 | jmcnaught | default__: which packages? |
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| 19:13.02 | teraflops | I think stable is a safer choice right now |
| 19:13.05 | default__ | Not any particular packages. |
| 19:13.27 | jmcnaught | default__: Debian testing isn't just a release with newer packages, it's a development branch where bugs are found and fixed. Testing also does not get security support, so is the last to get security fixes |
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| 19:14.19 | default__ | And so is it safer to go Buster until about 1 month after it is released, then again upgrade to whatever the next stable will be then? |
| 19:14.54 | jmcnaught | default__: no, it is safer to stick with stable until buster becomes stable, and then upgrade |
| 19:15.12 | merimel | debian is very strage with all this stable/testing thing â and really confusing for new users |
| 19:15.23 | teraflops | default__: notice dist-upgrade is a one way ticket |
| 19:15.29 | jmcnaught | it's not that confusing for users that read about it |
| 19:15.46 | default__ | teraflops: Right. |
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| 19:16.16 | jmcnaught | default__: also there is http://backports.debian.org/ for newer packages for stable releases |
| 19:16.48 | default__ | jmcnaught: You can still read about it and then still not know what to do. |
| 19:17.26 | default__ | jmcnaught: Yeah, I know about backports. Thanks. |
| 19:17.28 | teraflops | default__: if you dont know what to do, what about doing nothing? :P |
| 19:17.43 | default__ | teraflops: :) |
| 19:18.03 | merimel | if you have time or another hdd, you can try it in virtual machine or separate install |
| 19:18.10 | jmcnaught | default__: if you don't know if you should run testing, and just want it for newer packages but not any particular ones⦠|
| 19:18.50 | teraflops | default__: it's hard to give advice on such situation |
| 19:19.04 | default__ | jmcnaught: Yeah, I could install 2 versions, one on each machine. But then that's twice the system maintenance. |
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| 19:19.48 | jmcnaught | default__: ? |
| 19:19.51 | merimel | what softwere you interested in most ? |
| 19:20.15 | jmcnaught | default__: oh you are responding to something someone else said |
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| 19:21.08 | default__ | Well, Cinnamon desktop. And GnuCash is a must. |
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| 19:22.42 | teraflops | I'd run stable, if I feel the need of newer versions I'd rely on backports, if such need becomes an addiction you'd always can switch to testing |
| 19:23.40 | default__ | Well, maybe I'll just stay with stable for a while. As you said,I can always upgrade later. |
| 19:24.27 | jmcnaught | default__: this wiki page has some links to some ways to get newer software safely running on a Debian stable system: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Some_safer_ways_to_install_software_not_available_in_Debian_Stable |
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| 19:25.37 | default__ | jmcnaught: Okay, thanks. I'll go check it out now. |
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| 19:27.53 | jmcnaught | default__: GnuCash is available as a flatpak app |
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| 19:29.31 | default__ | Well, I don't know anything about flatpak or snappy or whatever the other one is. Never used them. |
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| 19:30.48 | jmcnaught | default__: http://flatpak.org/ they can be installed without interfering with apt/dpkg |
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| 19:31.18 | forcerecon | so whats the word debian? |
| 19:31.46 | default__ | jmcnaught: are they managed by apt, or totally independent of it? |
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| 19:32.19 | forcerecon | someone explain backports |
| 19:32.46 | jmcnaught | default__: totally independent. Users can also install flatpaks (just for themselves) |
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| 19:33.18 | jmcnaught | forcerecon: it explains them here: http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 19:33.29 | default__ | jmcnaught: Okay, I'll read up on that, too. Thanks again. |
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| 19:33.51 | merimel | it's like macOS or Windows stores |
| 19:34.43 | jmcnaught | default__: i've been using flatpak to try it out, seems to work okay. Let me know if you want to try installing GnuCash with it |
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| 19:35.54 | default__ | jmcnaught: Okay. Not right now, though. Got too much to to do today, on my "day off". |
| 19:36.14 | jmcnaught | default__: heh but you almost upgraded to testing :P |
| 19:36.42 | default__ | Not right now, but I was thinking about it. |
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| 19:39.21 | jmcnaught | default__: well once you have the flatpak Debian package installed you can run as a non-root user: "flatpak remote-add --user --if-not-exists flathub https://flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo" then run "flatpak install --user flathub org.gnucash.GnuCash" |
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| 19:40.16 | jmcnaught | default__: if you use gnome-software then you probably also want the Debian package gnome-software-plugin-flatpak which at the very least is helpful for upgrading flatpaks |
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| 19:41.47 | default__ | jmcnaught: I'm using Cinnamon, so gnome-software-plugin-flatpak might not work here. |
| 19:42.05 | jmcnaught | default__: using cinnamon would not prevent you from using gnome-software |
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| 19:42.59 | default__ | jmcnaught: Is Cinnamon then just a riced version of Gnome? |
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| 19:43.31 | forcerecon | jmcnaught: thanks reading now |
| 19:43.56 | jmcnaught | default__: i think so, i've never used it. But you can run KDE programs in GNOME, GNOME programs in xfce4 etc |
| 19:44.57 | default__ | jmcnaught: Hmmm . . . didn't know that. Hey, they should pay you for all the work you do here! :) |
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| 19:46.02 | jmcnaught | default__: just trying to contibute back a little ⺠|
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| 19:46.38 | default__ | jmcnaught: Well thanks. We appreciate! |
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| 19:58.12 | el_guapo | Hi. After a fresh install (expert text install, nothing but xorg and i3wm installed), I couldn't use my keyboard after launching startx (worked fine in the tty). So I added myself to the "input" group, and it now works. Is it normal that my keyboard/mouse wasn't recognized ? |
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| 20:00.16 | badargo | Fix window management in winecfg. You will have to modify your wine configuration to disable your Window Manager or Desktop Environment from controlling the Ultima Online Classic window. If this is not disabled, it will result in the game crashing upon attempting to log into a character (not the account.) |
| 20:00.18 | badargo | do you guys think this could be possibly the reason |
| 20:00.20 | badargo | my DE is making the game flicker like a rainbow? |
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| 20:01.02 | badargo | when i run it it flickers in 20 colors non stop its rly messed up :S |
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| 20:02.33 | jmcnaught | !crosspost |
| 20:02.33 | dpkg | Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>. |
| 20:02.37 | jmcnaught | badargo: ^^ |
| 20:04.15 | badargo | u mean i cant ask the same questions in different channels to different people when i dont get answers |
| 20:04.19 | badargo | right |
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| 20:04.27 | badargo | to me thats rly impolite too |
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| 20:05.49 | badargo | to sugest i should give up on finding solutions for a stupid reason that is :P |
| 20:05.54 | jmcnaught | badargo: it's different if time has elapsed, but you asked here 2 minutes after asking on OFTC. You should take a look at http://mywiki.wooledge.org/NetEtiquette |
| 20:06.00 | el_guapo | This https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-commits/2014-June/006343.html seems to say that udev should automatically take care of that. |
| 20:06.13 | badargo | its a different network |
| 20:06.20 | badargo | with different users |
| 20:06.26 | badargo | im just unlucky to find u in both |
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| 20:06.59 | jmcnaught | badargo: I am trying to help you learn the way of IRC, take it or leave it. |
| 20:07.18 | badargo | and no i didnt ask here |
| 20:07.22 | jmcnaught | el_guapo: does everything work as intended if you use a display manager? |
| 20:07.27 | badargo | i asked in irc.debianservers.net |
| 20:08.03 | badargo | yes i asked here 2 minutes after |
| 20:08.40 | jmcnaught | badargo: you don't need to justify it, just take it as a learning opportunity |
| 20:09.41 | badargo | i think u too should learn to respect the users and at least once try to help them instead of enforcing stupid rules that help nobody and nobody cares about ^^ take it as a learning opportunity too |
| 20:10.02 | badargo | lol u hammering me for asking a question in 2 different networks |
| 20:10.11 | badargo | u got be trolling me |
| 20:10.50 | jmcnaught | el_guapo: for example, my user is not in the input group and I can use my keyboard in X. Do you have libpam-systemd installed? |
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| 20:11.27 | jmcnaught | badargo: you can discuss this with me in #debian-offtopic if you have more to say, otherwise please don't be so noisy in here |
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| 20:12.19 | badargo | jmcnaught: my noise is the courtesy to reply to ur msgs and ur open hostility, but it will be my pleasure to ignore them from now on :P |
| 20:12.38 | abrotman | badargo: knock it off, move on |
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| 20:15.16 | el_guapo | jmcnaught: libpam-systemd is indeed installed. Let me check about the display manager. |
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| 20:16.44 | el_guapo | jmcnaught: I'll install lightdm right away, put myself out of the "input" group and see how it goes. |
| 20:17.55 | jmcnaught | el_guapo: okay. you should also look for the Xorg.0.log file first in ~/.local/share/xorg and then /var/log if it's not in your $HOME. If you put that log on http://paste.debian.net/ people here will help you look for errors |
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| 20:29.18 | edju | running jessie. whenever I open kmail. the console fills with akonadi stuff, and it continues until kmail is closed. https://pastebin.com/WsPbhQSY . any pointers, tips etc. appreciated. |
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| 20:30.41 | jmcnaught | edju: this happens when you run kmail from a terminal window? |
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| 20:31.36 | edju | jmcnaught, no. click on the icon. konsole is always open. |
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| 20:34.15 | el_guapo | jmcnaught: https://pastebin.com/ny9XvYNn This is an extract (copied by hand) of the lines that weren't normal inside the Xorg.0.log. I'll get the full log (without belonging to the "input" group). |
| 20:35.11 | jmcnaught | el_guapo: is this from startx, or a login attempt with lightdm? |
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| 20:39.06 | el_guapo | startx, definitely. it's from an old log. |
| 20:39.38 | el_guapo | I never use a display manager. |
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| 20:44.00 | jmcnaught | el_guapo: I always use a display manager, don't see any reason not to. Anyways, it is logind that is supposed to be managing access to input devices. There's a loginctl command you can use to query the system about the status of logins |
| 20:45.17 | jmcnaught | el_guapo: for example "loginctl session-status" to see general info about a session. "loginctl seat-status" should list devices attached to that 'seat' |
| 20:46.31 | el_guapo | It's just that I use a very minimal install, and I've had no use for a display manager (yet). I've put myself out of "input", and after a reboot, the keyboard is still reckognized. Odd. I'll reboot again, just in case. |
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| 20:47.03 | el_guapo | Awesome, thank you. I'll test it before rebooting. |
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| 20:48.38 | el_guapo | Indeed, everything is listed. I'll try to poweroff completely, then check again. |
| 20:48.44 | n4dir | el_guapo: what is a "very minimal install" ? |
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| 20:49.09 | n4dir | for example you can run into problems if you disable "recommends" |
| 20:49.53 | id4rk | he is just too guapo to use a display manager |
| 20:50.17 | n4dir | nothing wrong with not using a display manager, and not that unusual neither. |
| 20:50.45 | el_guapo | n4dir: it's a netinstall, with nothing installed (no desktop environment, no server, nothing), and adding xorg, i3wm, and a few other programs. |
| 20:51.07 | n4dir | ok, i see. I can't see how that should lead to the mentioned problems. |
| 20:51.22 | el_guapo | id4rk: ;-) |
| 20:51.39 | n4dir | i do recall that systemd had problems with startx, but it is quite a while ago, and i sure don't remember the details |
| 20:51.40 | id4rk | :D |
| 20:52.39 | n4dir | you might want to check the bug reports, perhaps that is still valid? (i doubt it though) |
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| 20:53.17 | el_guapo | You're definitely right about that. I do use --no-install-recommends. and once Synaptic is installed, I uncheck "consider additional packages as dependencies", or something like that. |
| 20:54.01 | n4dir | ok. that might lead to problems, now and then, but i sure don't know if it might be the case for your problem |
| 20:54.10 | jmcnaught | el_guapo: recommended packages _are_ recommended |
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| 20:55.02 | jmcnaught | it's better to reserve --no-install-recommends for situations where it wants to install too much stuff that you don't want |
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| 20:58.50 | el_guapo | n4dir & jmcnaught: I see... I've overdone it again :-/. Well, right now, I'm still out of the "input" group, and after 2 poweroffs, everything works. |
| 20:58.59 | n4dir | jmcnaught: i sure am with you (though i gotta say that i am simply too lazy to figure out each time which recommend i really need) |
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| 20:59.51 | jmcnaught | el_guapo: sweet |
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| 21:00.37 | jmcnaught | n4dir: generally I am inclined to trust the Debian maintainers about dependencies, better that than spend time figuring out what is missing |
| 21:00.42 | n4dir | el_guapo: wouldn't call it overdone. Some like it like that. The small distors antix and refracta disable recommends per default too (which bugs me :-) ). Anyway: glad you got it all sorted ( i was only shooting in the dark anyway) |
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| 21:03.04 | n4dir | jmcnaught: yup. same here. only if packages would install hundreds of MB, i consider if doing --no-install-recommends is an option for me |
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| 21:05.48 | chefoo | hello, i am new to debian os |
| 21:05.56 | chefoo | i tried to run sudo dommand |
| 21:06.10 | chefoo | but i get a really strange error :/ |
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| 21:07.06 | apollo13 | you should show us the error if you want help ;) |
| 21:07.22 | chefoo | sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 29sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting sudo: unable to initialize policy plugin |
| 21:07.51 | apollo13 | did you edit /etc/sudoers ? |
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| 21:08.32 | chefoo | https://askubuntu.com/questions/553117/allow-root-access-without-passwd |
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| 21:08.38 | chefoo | whis is what i did |
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| 21:09.02 | chefoo | the second reply |
| 21:09.03 | apollo13 | I doubt you did use visduo there |
| 21:09.23 | apollo13 | otherwise it would have told you that the file is not valid, anyways reboot into rescue mode and fix the file |
| 21:09.34 | apollo13 | (unless you have an open root shell) |
| 21:09.53 | chefoo | nope, i don't have |
| 21:10.05 | apollo13 | rescue mode it is then most likely |
| 21:10.12 | jmcnaught | chefoo: do you have a root password set, so you can use "su -l" to become root? |
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| 21:11.30 | chefoo | nope |
| 21:12.22 | n4dir | that's weird. iirc during installation you will be asked if you want to use su or sudo. If you have choosen sudo, no need to edit the sudoers file. If you have choosen su, you can use su to become root. |
| 21:12.41 | apollo13 | n4dir: he wanted to use sudo without passwords apparently |
| 21:12.44 | jmcnaught | chefoo: which Debian release is this? |
| 21:13.24 | n4dir | apollo13: is see. so he has choosen sudo, then edited it to make it without password. my fault |
| 21:14.01 | abrotman | chefoo: do you have a root password to login and fix it? |
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| 21:14.12 | apollo13 | abrotman: no we've established that :) |
| 21:15.22 | chefoo | this is debian 9 |
| 21:15.32 | chefoo | no, i don't have a root password |
| 21:15.38 | th0r | without the root password you can't edit the sudoers file, unless you are trying to hack in on a windows machine |
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| 21:16.17 | apollo13 | sure, reboot into a rescue shell and edit it from there |
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| 21:16.50 | th0r | apollo13, then why not use it to just reset the root password? |
| 21:17.23 | apollo13 | th0r: *shrug* when you are already in as root you can as well fix the sudoers file^^ |
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| 21:18.15 | abrotman | I'd reset the root password in case you don't fix the file correctly |
| 21:18.57 | apollo13 | visudo should tell you at least if it's syntactically valid and you should be able to test if it actually works from the rescue console too |
| 21:19.05 | apollo13 | but yeah, a root password does not hurt |
| 21:19.18 | KMGTB | hey guys, i have a little bit specific question. I want to install a fog server on my debian 8.8. But while the installation the setup script stuck install the needed packages. But if i install packages manually with apt-get everything went fine. My setup looks at the moment:WAN Router <- -> Windows Server (Routing between 192.168.2 (Net from WAN R |
| 21:19.18 | KMGTB | outer) and 192.168.1. (internal Net), AD, DNS, DHCP) <- -> Clients, FOG Server. I have no Idea what going wrong. Could you give me a hint what i can do to figure out the problem? |
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| 21:20.00 | apollo13 | KMGTB: use tcpdump to see what happens with the data and strace to see what your script is doing |
| 21:20.54 | petn-randall | KMGTB: Didn't we answer you in the German channel? You'll have to figure out what the script is doing differently, and if in doubt ask the creator of that script. |
| 21:21.58 | KMGTB | Yes you did, but it didn't help. I tried to ask the creator but i still didn't get an answer |
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| 21:26.19 | KMGTB | I have no idea why but after install the tcpdump it works |
| 21:26.24 | KMGTB | really strange |
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| 21:41.52 | dpkg | For webcam device support in Debian, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>. See also <quickcam>, <ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <m560x-driver>, <w9968cf>, <pwc>, <sn9c20x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam |
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| 22:18.14 | zerocool | hi everyone just really quickly i have been having a lot of issue with the switch to the newer openssl lib with stretch is there a way for my production machines i can use the older lib? |
| 22:19.07 | zerocool | like can i downgrade just the openssl lib to 1.0.1 for my stretch machines until applications support 1.1.0 |
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| 22:20.24 | jmcnaught | zerocool: you can add the repos for jessie and install libssl1.0.0 alongside the libssl1.0.2 package from stretch, with the caveat that security support for the jessie package will end sooner |
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| 22:21.26 | zerocool | jmcnaught: ahh, i can have both libs side-by-side!? |
| 22:22.05 | zerocool | so i basically would just add the jessie repos to apt/sources.list.d and specifically install openssl from those sources... yeah? |
| 22:22.14 | jmcnaught | yeah |
| 22:22.18 | zerocool | dope |
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| 22:22.54 | jmcnaught | you can use "apt-get -t jessie -s install libssl1.0.0" as a regular user to see what would happen (once you add jessie sources) |
| 22:23.09 | vlt | Hi! Maybe someone here knows what I fail to find anywhere about rdiff-backup: Is it safe to delete the .snapshot.gz or .diff.gz of single files from the targetâs increments directory if I decide that I no longer need to restore them? I mean without corrupting the rest of the backup? |
| 22:23.16 | zerocool | okay then one more q, how can i use one lib over the other if they are side-by-side, while generating keys etc |
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| 22:24.43 | zerocool | i have an application... filebeat/logstash which rely on the older lib, if on a stretch machine i want to generate keys for this application how can i specifiy to generate the keys with the old lib |
| 22:25.09 | zerocool | as things are right now i just have to find a jessie machine to generate the keys |
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| 22:28.22 | jmcnaught | zerocool: the openssl command is in the openssl package. For the legacy applications you need to run, you should just need the library package libssl1.0.0. You want to keep using the openssl package from stretch |
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| 22:32.33 | zerocool | jmcnaught: i can specify the lib with /usr/bin/openssl ? |
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| 22:34.00 | zerocool | problem is with jessie i run openssl to generate a keypair and distribute the .crt to all of the clients, so they can connect back to the server |
| 22:34.09 | zerocool | with stretch the same keys will not work |
| 22:34.30 | zerocool | i have to generate the keys on a jessie machine and then give the stretch server the key and the clients the .crt |
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| 22:36.14 | zerocool | elastic.co's filebeat/logstash is not the only application i've had an issue with though, also Microsoft's Powershell relies on the old lib |
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| 22:38.01 | jmcnaught | zerocool: the openssl package from stretch is going to be linked to the libssl1.0.2 library. You may need to continue generating certificates on a jessie system, or stay on jessie until the software you run catches up to the newer version in stretch |
| 22:39.18 | zerocool | jmcnaught: perfect, thanks for the info, i appreciate it. |
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| 22:53.20 | HazardX | I just did an upgrade to 9.1, and now my networking dosen't come up at boot....where do I look to fix this? |
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| 22:54.41 | zerocool | HazardX: the network interface name scheme has changed |
| 22:55.06 | HazardX | zerocool, oh? |
| 22:55.09 | HazardX | cuz its still eth0 |
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| 22:55.17 | HazardX | which is what it was before. |
| 22:55.29 | zerocool | do an ifconfig to see your interface names and update your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:55.50 | HazardX | zerocool, that is the first thing I checked (in addition to making sure the file wasn't wiped) |
| 22:56.01 | zerocool | oh yeah... that's right if you do an upgrade from jessie it doesn't change |
| 22:56.03 | zerocool | i read that |
| 22:56.08 | zerocool | so... nevermind :) |
| 22:56.30 | HazardX | if it were persistatnt interface naming problems I'd know what to do, but it seems like init is never even TRYING to start networking |
| 22:56.46 | HazardX | and I'm not sure what to do about that in debian (usually I'm on gentoo or redhat) |
| 22:57.03 | zerocool | do you have the machine handy now? |
| 22:57.14 | HazardX | yea, its actually A VM, its up now |
| 22:57.20 | zerocool | the machine boots and doesn't get a network connection yeah? |
| 22:57.23 | HazardX | yea |
| 22:57.47 | HazardX | if I manually run the ifconfig commands to give it an IP and route (which is what the static config is supposed to) it works |
| 22:57.57 | zerocool | when you... ip addr does everything look okay or what does it show for your if |
| 22:58.07 | HazardX | I don't have ip addr. |
| 22:58.13 | HazardX | or the 'ip' command rather |
| 22:58.17 | HazardX | which I did think was strange |
| 22:58.17 | zerocool | in stretch that's all's i got! |
| 22:58.29 | zerocool | ip addr not "net-tools" ifconfig |
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| 22:58.58 | HazardX | I know, i don't have the 'ip' command (for some reason) |
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| 22:59.06 | zerocool | yeah that is strange i've had ip since like... pre-jessie |
| 22:59.12 | zerocool | when i was in jessie testing |
| 22:59.19 | HazardX | well, this system*WAS* created in like debian 6 |
| 22:59.24 | HazardX | and upgraded...numerous times |
| 22:59.29 | zerocool | wowzer |
| 22:59.39 | HazardX | so I'm not really surprised if I'm missing something |
| 23:00.52 | zerocool | i wonder where the ip command comes from |
| 23:00.57 | zerocool | maybe you need that if you don't have it |
| 23:00.59 | HazardX | iproute2 package |
| 23:01.05 | zerocool | do you have that? |
| 23:01.08 | HazardX | (I'm installing and rebooting to see if that fixes it) |
| 23:01.10 | HazardX | I didn't. |
| 23:01.25 | zerocool | perfect |
| 23:01.46 | HazardX | though I also have to wonder why 'systemctl status' isn't working |
| 23:01.57 | HazardX | it'd be helpful to know what systemctl thinks the interface status is |
| 23:02.08 | zerocool | o |
| 23:02.12 | zerocool | i have never heard of that |
| 23:02.28 | jmcnaught | HazardX: you are trying "systemctl status networking" ? |
| 23:02.39 | zerocool | ^ |
| 23:02.56 | HazardX | jmcnaught, I'm ttrying to figure out what the initsystem thinks the status of networking is, or list-units (which also dosen't work) |
| 23:03.07 | HazardX | but I might actually need to take a step back and figure out if systemd itself is working |
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| 23:03.33 | HazardX | And, no, just having the ip command didn't fix anything :D |
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| 23:04.04 | zerocool | HazardX: now you ip addr and it shows you sane results? |
| 23:04.20 | HazardX | zerocool, yea, untiL i manaully add the Ips so I can get ssh to work |
| 23:04.44 | zerocool | HazardX: the interfaces aren't already configured? |
| 23:04.57 | HazardX | no, they don't come up that way |
| 23:05.27 | HazardX | Ooooohhh I think I'm missing part of systemd |
| 23:06.02 | zerocool | that would be strange... are you coming from 6 to 9? |
| 23:06.16 | zerocool | or 8 to 9 having originally come from 6 |
| 23:06.17 | HazardX | 8 to 9, but openrc was installed at some point |
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| 23:06.43 | HazardX | (though "in the past" the system was 6->7->8[openrc]) |
| 23:06.52 | zerocool | right right |
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| 23:07.00 | zerocool | im not sure what openrc is |
| 23:07.12 | HazardX | its an alternate to systemd |
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| 23:07.17 | HazardX | (or sysv-init) |
| 23:07.20 | zerocool | gross |
| 23:08.00 | zerocool | i grew up on sysvinit and had to learn systemd which is as bad as everyone says... but adding another initsystem... im not sure what would happen |
| 23:08.21 | zerocool | is not as bad* |
| 23:08.27 | zerocool | systemd isn't that bad at all* |
| 23:08.48 | HazardX | well, when this VM saw heavy use, it worked great (and meant that I got to use it like gentoo, which is what I used more often at the time) |
| 23:08.58 | HazardX | in general, I've found systemd is okay under redhat |
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| 23:09.18 | HazardX | but when I need to do 'weird' thinkgs, systemd is a monsterous pain |
| 23:09.42 | jmcnaught | maybe there's a less weird systemd way of doing those things⦠|
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| 23:10.04 | zerocool | yeah i was going to say anytime i need to do something weird i can just trick systemd into helping :) |
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| 23:10.55 | HazardX | jmcnaught/zerocool: that *IS* true, however being able to edit full initstartup behavior is often more useful to me than having to fight with systemd units |
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| 23:12.51 | HazardX | ah...well now systemctl status is working |
| 23:13.28 | zerocool | HazardX: that's the catch to automation though, anytime you automate for an environment... you have to be careful in upgrading to a new one |
| 23:14.02 | HazardX | zerocool, indeed, I'd thought this was okay for the upgrade (since I thought I'd undone all the strange stuff) |
| 23:14.06 | HazardX | buuut, apparently I was wrong |
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| 23:15.51 | zerocool | I haven't upgraded jessie to stretch yet so i can't really say... :( |
| 23:16.03 | zerocool | from what i've read you should have no issues with your network adapters though |
| 23:16.11 | zerocool | what's dmesg say about them? |
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| 23:16.29 | HazardX | well, systemd dosen't seem to have any idea about 'networking' or, I'm not looing for the right service |
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| 23:17.02 | HazardX | zerocool, dmesg knows nothing, the hardware is up and works, it just gets no config |
| 23:17.23 | zerocool | when you 'systemctl status networking' what does it say? |
| 23:17.27 | jmcnaught | HazardX: if you configure networking with /etc/network/interfaces then it is the networking.service unit that brings it up |
| 23:17.50 | HazardX | systemctl status networking: Unit networking.service could not be found. |
| 23:17.57 | HazardX | so I imagine that's the probelm. |
| 23:17.59 | HazardX | :D |
| 23:18.10 | zerocool | yeah and what do you see in /etc/systemd/system ? |
| 23:18.46 | HazardX | nothing related to networking.service |
| 23:18.50 | jmcnaught | it should be in /lib/systemd/system/networking.service |
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| 23:18.59 | zerocool | yeah sounds like you don't have the unit files... |
| 23:19.43 | zerocool | maybe when you upgrade to systemd it knows how to convert sysvinit to systemd unit files but not from openwhatever |
| 23:19.52 | zerocool | and so you just don't have the unit files |
| 23:20.09 | HazardX | I am missing networking.service |
| 23:20.26 | HazardX | (IE, I have no /lib/systemd/system/networking.service) |
| 23:20.40 | jmcnaught | HazardX: it is in the ifupdown package |
| 23:21.06 | HazardX | jmcnaught, thanks, that's what I was looking for |
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| 23:23.46 | brontosaurusrex | a way to start x via remote session? |
| 23:24.00 | HazardX | jmcnaught/zerocool: it works now thanks guys! |
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| 23:25.27 | zerocool | :D |
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| 23:29.11 | somiaj | brontosaurusrex: what are you wanting to do? Are you wanting to run x programs on your remote machine on your client? |
| 23:29.36 | brontosaurusrex | somiaj, nope, nvidia-settings stuff, from cli |
| 23:29.52 | brontosaurusrex | Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused ¸ is what i get |
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| 23:30.49 | brontosaurusrex | a workaround might be to enable lightdm autologin, but that didnt work either |
| 23:31.22 | somiaj | brontosaurusrex: you can't run startx over ssh. Why are you wanting to run nvidia-settings remotelly? |
| 23:31.34 | brontosaurusrex | somiaj, overclocking |
| 23:31.37 | somiaj | as in what are you trying to achive by running nvidia settins remotely |
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| 23:31.54 | somiaj | but why do you want to overclock remotely, seems like a strange request. |
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| 23:32.15 | brontosaurusrex | overclocking settings are not preserved over reboot |
| 23:32.19 | somiaj | brontosaurusrex: trying to figure out the end goal as it makes it easier to give a resonable solution. |
| 23:32.25 | brontosaurusrex | sure |
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| 23:34.11 | somiaj | so your real issue is you want overclocking settings from nvidia-settings to save over reboot? |
| 23:34.47 | brontosaurusrex | somiaj, yes, and i have script working, but it needs running x |
| 23:34.59 | brontosaurusrex | as it seems ... |
| 23:35.28 | brontosaurusrex | i mean no, i wrote a script to overcome that, but it needs x |
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| 23:35.40 | somiaj | well you can run the script from some autostart program in your DE/WM as opposed to running it when the system starts. |
| 23:36.14 | somiaj | depending on the DE/WM this may require putting a .desktop file in .local/share/autostart (or something like that) |
| 23:36.19 | brontosaurusrex | somiaj, ok, so the question would be: how to enable autologin with lightdm in stretch? |
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| 23:37.54 | somiaj | you shouldn't need autologin for this |
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| 23:39.22 | APLU | brontosaurusrex: but if you want to enable autologin, go check /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf (and autologin options) |
| 23:40.23 | brontosaurusrex | APLU, yeah, its weird, it is working on local machine |
| 23:40.30 | brontosaurusrex | the lightdm.conf i mean |
| 23:40.37 | brontosaurusrex | but not on this remote host |
| 23:41.10 | somiaj | again why do you want a remote host to autologin to x? |
| 23:41.22 | APLU | brontosaurusrex: you sure you don't have an other DM installed (like kdm or gdm)? |
| 23:41.24 | brontosaurusrex | somiaj, so i have x running |
| 23:41.39 | brontosaurusrex | APLU, absolutely sure. |
| 23:41.41 | somiaj | brontosaurusrex: why do you need x running on a remote host? |
| 23:41.53 | brontosaurusrex | somiaj, cos the scripts seems to want it |
| 23:42.20 | APLU | and yeah⦠don't know why people want an x running a remote host if there is no screen and no-one to look at itâ¦Â but anyway |
| 23:42.47 | APLU | time to sleep here, bye (and good luck) :) |
| 23:43.21 | somiaj | brontosaurusrex: are these your overlocking scripts? |
| 23:43.39 | somiaj | brontosaurusrex: why do you want to remote host to have overclocking setup? |
| 23:43.44 | brontosaurusrex | somiaj, yes, https://raw.githubusercontent.com/brontosaurusrex/postbang/master/misc/bin/overclock |
| 23:44.06 | brontosaurusrex | I'am guessing i dont understand the nvidia function |
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| 23:44.40 | somiaj | what is the point of running this script on a remote host? What advantage are you going to get from overclocking a video card that won't be being used? |
| 23:45.22 | brontosaurusrex | :) 3d rendering, maybe mining |
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| 23:49.04 | somiaj | hmm, unsure how much you would gain by all the extra resources needed to run a full xorg. But you need to ensure that the remote host can run xorg, and if it is headless, it may not have an EDID monintor causing problems. |
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| 23:53.58 | somiaj | but check your xorg logs and figure out what is not working about xorg on the remote server. You may have to play with the xorg.conf file (maybe even provide a fake edid) to get it to launch on a headless system. |
| 23:54.44 | brontosaurusrex | somiaj, it appears "systemctl restart lightdm.service" did the trick ... |
| 23:55.00 | brontosaurusrex | and maybe adding stuff to xorg.conf |
| 23:56.01 | somiaj | more liekly modifing xorg.conf |
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| 23:56.33 | somiaj | the service should have started jsut fin to start with. |
| 23:58.39 | brontosaurusrex | sudo nvidia-xconfig -a --cool-bits=12 --allow-empty-initial-configuration ¸ is what i did |
