| 00:00.17 | cruncher | gert_, do you have a older gpu card and need the propietary driver? |
| 00:00.36 | merimel | oh and it can be harmfull (e.g. network wont up, or somethink like that), but you always can delete file |
| 00:00.40 | gert_ | nah, it worked on debian 8 out of the box |
| 00:00.55 | kolnpole | ya it didnt worked with out chmod x , i did it now im restarting now |
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| 00:01.22 | merimel | systemctl restart networking.service |
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| 00:01.39 | cruncher | gert_, that was not my question, but if you are happy with the free driver, then you should be fine |
| 00:02.33 | kolnpole | merimel, still didnt worked i made a file there named deroute |
| 00:02.38 | kolnpole | and put this cmd |
| 00:02.40 | kolnpole | route delete default gw 172.17.0.1 eth0 |
| 00:03.03 | kolnpole | in /etc/network/if-up.d/delroute |
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| 00:03.52 | merimel | add #!/bin/sh at the start of file |
| 00:03.52 | kolnpole | when i execute this cmd in terminal my second interface is selected as default .in which i got internet and my internet starts working |
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| 00:05.08 | merimel | also try use this instead: /sbin/route delete default gw 172.17.0.1 eth0 |
| 00:05.39 | kolnpole | ok 1 sec |
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| 00:07.19 | kolnpole | still not working :( |
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| 00:07.55 | kolnpole | and i got two default routes and eth0 is preferable . |
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| 00:08.24 | merimel | hmmm, delete this file, and your command to the end of /etc/rc.local before exit 0 and reboot machine |
| 00:08.36 | merimel | *add your command |
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| 00:08.46 | kolnpole | ok got u |
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| 00:09.01 | kolnpole | with /sbin or without? |
| 00:09.22 | merimel | w/o |
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| 00:13.46 | kolnpole | merimel, strange its not even working there |
| 00:13.59 | merimel | ok |
| 00:14.10 | merimel | i've done some research now |
| 00:14.17 | kolnpole | ok now i will google i wont take more of your time |
| 00:14.23 | kolnpole | what is that |
| 00:14.27 | merimel | https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/configuring-static-routes-in-debian-or-red-hat-linux-systems.html |
| 00:14.45 | merimel | scroll down to debian section |
| 00:15.08 | merimel | /etc/network/interfaces should handle this |
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| 00:15.26 | kolnpole | thanks leme check |
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| 00:47.22 | nvz | I made a one-line sysvinit script /etc/init.d/custom set to Default-Start: S, and did systemctl daemon-reload and systemctl enable custom but it still doesn't seem to run at boot |
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| 00:50.23 | nvz | tests again to make sure |
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| 00:53.57 | nvz | yes, I added touch /this to the script and there is no /this so it would seem the script didn't run either that or it didnt run as root which may very well be the problem as well |
| 00:54.13 | nvz | I am used to sysvinit scripts running as root, I'm not really sure what systemd does when I tell it to run one |
| 00:54.28 | jmcnaught | nvz: what does "systemctl status custom" say? |
| 00:55.46 | nvz | says /etc/init.d/custom was generated and loaded but says inactive (dead) next to active: |
| 00:56.04 | nvz | which I'm not sure what that means, it seems very contradictory |
| 00:56.45 | nvz | unless it means its not active as a process or something, which its not suppose to be, I'm just making a script to run some miscellaneous commands that will all exit |
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| 00:57.20 | jmcnaught | nvz: why not make a systemd service unit? |
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| 00:58.36 | nvz | I'm not even sure what a systemd service unit is, this thing was suppose to be able to run a simple sysvinit script all I want is for it to echo 1 to my /sys control for my OTG port so I can use it for my keyboard |
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| 01:02.08 | nvz | even writing a sysvinit script is overkill for this, a couple years ago I'd have just added this line to /etc/bootmisc.sh and been done |
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| 01:10.36 | jmcnaught | nvz: you can still use rc.local if you enable it with systemctl, but systemd service units are pretty simple. they use a declarative style like an INI file instead of writing a script |
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| 01:12.43 | jmcnaught | nvz: if you want to learn this blog is a good starting point: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-for-admins-3.html and of course the systemd man pages. For your purpose you would use Type=oneshot |
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| 01:17.16 | soulspire | Install Debian 8 bluetooth works, install Debian 9 cant bluetooth firmware doesn't work o_O |
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| 01:18.08 | soulspire | Bluetooth is so important in todays work, idk why this should be an issue now especially with a year of testing? |
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| 01:18.40 | jmcnaught | soulspire: what is the firmware error you get? |
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| 01:19.34 | soulspire | I see it at booting but goes by too quick, error seems to indicate cannot load |
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| 01:20.25 | jmcnaught | soulspire: use "dmesg | grep -i firmware" and the put the result on http://paste.debian.net/ note that dmesg requies root on Debian 9 |
| 01:20.46 | soulspire | cant remember the command to bring up the status and error in console |
| 01:20.53 | soulspire | 1 sec |
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| 01:23.25 | soulspire | bluetooth hci0: firmware: failed to load rtl_bt/rtl8821a_config.bin (-2) |
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| 01:25.31 | soulspire | brb <jmcnaught> |
| 01:25.37 | jmcnaught | soulspire: was that the only line or did it also try other files? |
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| 01:34.41 | soulspire | Back jmcnaught sorry about that |
| 01:35.10 | jmcnaught | soulspire: was that the only line or did it also try other files? do you have the firmware-realtek package from non-free installed? |
| 01:35.49 | soulspire | I will have to check |
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| 01:39.14 | soulspire | jmcnaught it appears I never installed that |
| 01:39.37 | soulspire | I'll reboot |
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| 01:46.31 | kajika | Hello there, before asking my question I just want to check : anyone else has a problem with debian sid this week? kernek/driver problem? |
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| 01:47.13 | nvz | kajika: this is what the bts and changelogs are for there are actually apps to automatically check both when installing packages |
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| 01:47.47 | kajika | nvz: I have unmet dependencies with linux-headers-amd64 |
| 01:47.58 | kajika | what is th bts? |
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| 01:48.17 | somiaj | kajika: debian sid support is at #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, and you should check the bug reports for known problems wtih sid |
| 01:48.32 | nvz | kajika: my suggestion is to paste the command you ran with its full output on paste.debian.net and to stop using sid if you don't even know what the bts is |
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| 01:49.31 | kajika | nvz, this is quite an aggressive response, sometimes people uses abbreviations I might not know |
| 01:50.00 | nvz | kajika: in case you didn't know it sid is named after the kid from toy story who breaks stuff for fun.. if you don't know how to use the BTS, package system, and resolve issues like this, then sid is going to bring you a lot of pain |
| 01:50.06 | kajika | and I cannot use debian without sid because everything is way too outdated for my work (I would like but I can't) |
| 01:50.33 | nvz | kajika: there are other ways to obtain newer packages than to run an entirely unstable system for your work machine you need to rely on |
| 01:51.12 | kajika | would love to know those, I tried centos Ubuntu and thought that debian was really nice |
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| 01:51.45 | kajika | you know I can learn |
| 01:52.02 | nvz | kajika: yes debian is great due to its stability and support community for example, but you compromise both your stability and options for support when you run sid for a system you depend on for production |
| 01:52.05 | prussian | i'd recommend Fedora 26 at this point to be honest. it's even more "cutting edge" than sid. lol |
| 01:52.19 | prussian | if that's what you want |
| 01:52.25 | nvz | !yinzersmite prussian |
| 01:52.25 | dpkg | rilly wisht prussian conjagated sharn once in ahwile. |
| 01:52.36 | kajika | I don't mind any distro |
| 01:52.50 | kajika | I had hopes I could bring some help to the debian community |
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| 01:54.23 | nvz | kajika: here is what I do when I need something newer, first I check the backports available for my branch, then if there is no backport I consider a simple sid backport if the package is not too complex, if thats not feasible then I'd consider debootstrapping a chroot with a testing/unstable branch and setting up schroot to run this newer app, and there are also other options like using full blown VMs |
| 01:54.29 | nvz | running other systems and such |
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| 01:55.05 | jmcnaught | flatpak is another new option in stretch (for a limited set of applications currently available) |
| 01:55.14 | soulspire | TY jmcnaught seems that was not installed and now installed pairing happens but connection does not. |
| 01:55.34 | nvz | kajika: I've run sid many times in the past but I had full understanding of resolving package breakages, using IRC and mailing lists, the bug tracking system, and I wasn't using the system for any sort of mission critical purpose, it was just my home machine |
| 01:55.42 | soulspire | Connection Failed: blueman.bluez.errors.DBusFailedError: Protocol not available... |
| 01:56.13 | kajika | I will consider changing indeed, I feel debian lack some tutorials about all of those (just getting to sid isn't explained) |
| 01:56.29 | jmcnaught | soulspire: can you show more than a snippet, like the whole command you used and complete output on Debian's paste site (or any one that doesn't have ads)? |
| 01:56.59 | soulspire | jmcnaught, that was the who thing |
| 01:57.12 | jmcnaught | kajika: sid isn't meant for end users, it's meant to be used by developers and testers working on the next release of Debian |
| 01:57.16 | prussian | I still think fedora is pretty much the best bet kajika. even I'm pretty much all in on it. all but this laptop. |
| 01:57.27 | prussian | it will likely solve your "issue" |
| 01:57.36 | prussian | without having to do anything special |
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| 01:58.58 | kajika | do you think I can just got back to stretch from sid? (never tried this way) |
| 01:59.14 | prussian | i wouldn't try |
| 01:59.17 | soulspire | jmcnaught it did flash like it was going to connect then connection disappears |
| 01:59.46 | nvz | kajika: no, downgrading is not supported and is extremely difficult to attempt |
| 01:59.47 | jmcnaught | kajika: you cannot downgrade, it would require a new install |
| 02:00.23 | nvz | kajika: what kinds of newer apps are you requiring? |
| 02:00.37 | kajika | should I just add report to the bts (because there is nothing about the linux-headers-amd64 problem right now) |
| 02:00.46 | kajika | firefox mainly |
| 02:01.12 | kajika | mysql was an other problem too |
| 02:01.15 | nvz | kajika: its practically a requirement that you use the BTS to check issues and report them before doing anything else when you use sid |
| 02:01.55 | kajika | I guess, it is just that before you do you first report you always fear you will do something wrong and bother people |
| 02:01.59 | nvz | mysql seems to be falling out of style, but firefox is certainly one of those things you could easily run with schroot or backport |
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| 02:02.39 | nvz | kajika: bugs bother people.. and we all know how sid is, and we can only fix issues that are reported |
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| 02:03.15 | soulspire | jmcnaught I didn't use a command I used the blueman applet and then devices to connect |
| 02:03.34 | kajika | nvz, ok I will try to fix my sid (problem using previous linux kernel) then install stretch wich backport |
| 02:03.56 | ryouma | i am totally hazy on what you would do to use schroot with firefox |
| 02:04.37 | nvz | schroot just helps facilitate the running of apps that are in a chroot install as though they are part of the host |
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| 02:04.53 | soulspire | jmcnaught seems still getting an error at boot: bluetooth hci0: firmware: failed to load rtl_bt/rtl8821a_config.bin (-2), then bluetooth hci0: Direct firmware load for rtl_bt/rtl8821a_config.bin failed with error -2 |
| 02:05.25 | nvz | its also handy if you need to have multiple different chroots for different versions you switch between |
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| 02:06.03 | ryouma | nvz: sounds great, i'm just thinking ok, if i want to do this, what are the steps. create all of debian in the chroot? no clue what they would be. |
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| 02:06.53 | ryouma | kajika: iirc, if you wanted to go back to stretch, you would determine your package list, reinstall, then merge etc dir. not sure if debconf cache needs merging or not, or if anything else needs doing. |
| 02:06.59 | nvz | ryouma: debootstrap, which will install a base system into a directory, then chroot into that directory and install the app you want using apt-get, then configure schroot, and you're done |
| 02:07.11 | ryouma | nvz: ok |
| 02:07.28 | ryouma | woul this be a second x server or the original? |
| 02:07.41 | nvz | ryouma: you certainly don't need a full desktop install, you run the app on the existing X and desktop environment |
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| 02:08.56 | nvz | ryouma: really the only time I'd use a chroot over making a backport is if the backport is unfeasible due to complexity or lack of ability to satisfy dependencies, or incompatibilities with the dependencies |
| 02:09.20 | ryouma | kajika: probably merging is not enough, if your package list differs, because user numbers might change. so you might need to do that. |
| 02:09.40 | nvz | ryouma: even with just a base and the deps installed you'd still be using more space on disk for a chroot for something like firefox than if you backport it |
| 02:10.48 | soulspire | lol after using linux since dial up, seems we still have same crap on different century. Why we cannot upgrade without issues from a stable version I will never understand |
| 02:11.26 | ryouma | thanks, i once found backports to be impossible, even with handholding, so i like to pay attention to alternatives (and also various containerization things becaue they confuse me and i might sometime want to isolate flash or something) |
| 02:11.45 | ryouma | soulspire: linux has gotten complex |
| 02:11.57 | nvz | a simple sid backport is quite easy for most things |
| 02:12.15 | soulspire | ryouma, nothing has changed. |
| 02:12.20 | nvz | its just a means of pulling the new source, and compiling it against the old libraries |
| 02:12.25 | ryouma | nvz: i did it successfully once :) |
| 02:12.53 | soulspire | All I have to do is fall beack to an older version and Poof, everything works again, that is what annoys me most. |
| 02:13.42 | nvz | as for upgrades I'd done pretty much every debian upgrade since 2.2r6 Potato and I only had a problem once and it was due to major changes in the kernel and related subsystems |
| 02:14.13 | ryouma | perhaps debian will adopt guix or something and then you can go backward and forward and stuff. but yeah, dist-upgrade to jessie broke x for me. |
| 02:14.32 | soulspire | Mine usually involve dual displays, but this time it's bluetooth lol |
| 02:15.15 | soulspire | Too late to reinstall back to 8, will tackle that tomorrow, good night folks |
| 02:15.58 | nvz | I had a bluetooth once but I had it pulled |
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| 02:28.51 | kajika | I fixed my problem 4.11.0-2 has some problem I just used to 4.11.0-1 instead, the grub entries was unusual to me because on centos the kernels entries are directly in the first menu while in debian it is in 'advanced'... |
| 02:29.09 | kajika | I will report the problem in the bts hoping it will help |
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| 03:55.53 | Shmam | Trying to install debian on my new laptop and running into an issue with network card. Can't detect it. (it's a killer wifi card) and not on the list. I can't find the no wifi iso |
| 03:56.00 | Shmam | can someone show me where it is? |
| 03:56.14 | Shmam | the debian site looks like it was made like 20 years ago lol |
| 03:56.43 | toruvinn | Shmam, which network card though? you sure you dont just need the firmware? |
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| 03:56.57 | toruvinn | the default netinst isos dont have firmware on them, but there's another iso you could use that does |
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| 03:57.23 | Shmam | WiFi is Killer wireless 1535 |
| 03:57.50 | Shmam | how do I install the wifi driver before the os tho? |
| 03:58.32 | toruvinn | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ <- isos with firmware, i believe |
| 03:58.39 | jmcnaught | Shmam: can you run "lspci -nn | grep -i net" and show us the line for your wifi card? |
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| 03:58.55 | jmcnaught | or at least the pci-id which looks like [abcd:1234] |
| 03:58.56 | toruvinn | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=132216 according to this jessie+ should have the support... but tbh it's the first time i hear that name ("Killer wifi"), so... im not sure i can help you |
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| 04:04.09 | Shmam | so on that non free one which should I download? |
| 04:04.21 | Shmam | live or just +nonfree? |
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| 04:09.22 | toruvinn | Shmam, live is... live. think knoppix. you probably want installation isos? i usually use netinst which is great if... you dont have trouble setting up your network. ;-) https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.1.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/ this perhaps? |
| 04:10.36 | Shmam | I'm a bit new at this so bear with me :P. Downloading the live nonfree with kde |
| 04:10.44 | Shmam | cause kde looks pretty cool |
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| 04:12.08 | toruvinn | well perhaps it's not a bad idea, cause you'll surely know if your NIC works there... |
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| 04:14.09 | Shmam | but live means no network needed right? |
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| 04:14.52 | jmcnaught | Shmam: be aware that the live disk has some issues with installation, including your root password might not work. The recommended install method is to use a netinst image (the firmware non-free one if you need it) |
| 04:15.14 | jmcnaught | Shmam: however it's not even clear which firmware is missing, and if you already have Debian installed you don't need to reinstall |
| 04:15.35 | Shmam | i don't have debian installed |
| 04:15.47 | Shmam | installation couldnt finish without network |
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| 04:18.37 | jmcnaught | !firmware image |
| 04:18.38 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 04:19.03 | jmcnaught | Shmam: use on of the images linked above ^ instead of a live image |
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| 04:21.35 | Shmam | jmcnaught: I end up with firmware-9.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 04:21.42 | Shmam | it shouldn't be a netinst right? |
| 04:24.11 | jmcnaught | netinst is the way most people do it. if network access still doesn't work with that image (and you have no ethernet) then you would try a larger image that has more packages on the disc |
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| 04:24.47 | jmcnaught | Shmam: but if networking _does_ work, then you will use less bandwidth over all with the netinst image because it only downloads the packages you need to install |
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| 04:27.18 | Shmam | I found the drivers that I need |
| 04:27.28 | Shmam | is there any way to add them to the install iso? |
| 04:27.40 | Shmam | http://www.killernetworking.com/driver-downloads/knowledge-base?view=topic&id=2 |
| 04:27.59 | Shmam | http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-firmware/linux-firmware_1.164_al |
| 04:28.14 | Shmam | http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-firmware/linux-firmware_1.164_all.deb |
| 04:28.20 | Shmam | didn't fully cioy |
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| 04:29.07 | jmcnaught | Shmam: the firmware-9.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso contains the firmwares, that's what's special about it |
| 04:29.51 | Shmam | that one didn't have firmware for my wifi card tho |
| 04:30.07 | Shmam | and I don't have an ethernet port |
| 04:30.20 | jmcnaught | oh you already tried the firmware iso? |
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| 04:31.21 | jmcnaught | Shmam: look at https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en for how to deal with missing firmwares during the installer. |
| 04:32.15 | Shmam | the isos that I've tried are: debian-9.1.0-amd64-netins.iso & debian-live-9.1.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso |
| 04:32.21 | Shmam | currently testing the second one |
| 04:32.47 | Shmam | can't get the boot drive to work |
| 04:33.39 | Shmam | when I boot from it on the boot menu it just re-opens the boot menu |
| 04:33.45 | Shmam | trying to reflash the drive |
| 04:33.46 | jmcnaught | Shmam: I recommend spending 30 minutes reading the install manual before proceeding if you haven't already. |
| 04:34.09 | jmcnaught | Shmam: how are you copying the image to the drive? stuff like unetbootin and rufus break Debian images |
| 04:34.39 | Shmam | lol using rufus |
| 04:34.42 | Shmam | what should I use? |
| 04:34.51 | maxcell_ | i use rufus and didn't have any problem jmcnaught |
| 04:34.56 | klys | dd |
| 04:35.09 | maxcell_ | what you use? |
| 04:35.09 | tx | The ISO is hybrid |
| 04:35.16 | jmcnaught | Shmam: seriously spend 30 minutes reading the install manual so you can avoid other mistakes like this |
| 04:35.19 | tx | you can use dd to write the ISO directly. |
| 04:35.39 | Shmam | currently on a windows machine :( |
| 04:35.48 | Shmam | can I still use dd? |
| 04:35.57 | pierrot | Hi. I'm getting the error "failed to execute '/usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxCreateUSBNode.sh'" at startup |
| 04:35.58 | jmcnaught | !win32diskimager |
| 04:35.59 | klys | or get the usb boot image file and copy the iso onto the partition it creates |
| 04:35.59 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
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| 04:36.15 | jmcnaught | Shmam: use ^ |
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| 04:36.25 | Shmam | k |
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| 04:37.25 | klys | shmam, can you decompress a .gz file? |
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| 04:40.00 | Shmam | win32 disk imager FTW!! |
| 04:40.32 | Shmam | should I do graphical install or debian GNU/linux live (kernel 4.9.0-3-amd64)? |
| 04:40.38 | Moondhum | Hello, I did a minimal debian jessie install on my laptop. My integrated webcam doesn't seem to work. I have installed 'libv4l-0' and here is my demsg https://paste.debian.net/978006/ Also I don't have /dev/video present. |
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| 04:42.12 | Shmam | graphical it is then |
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| 04:43.25 | maxcell_ | im deciding if i install debian or deepin |
| 04:43.42 | tx | Why not try both in a VM? ;) |
| 04:43.45 | maxcell_ | damm |
| 04:43.50 | maxcell_ | i dont like VM |
| 04:44.04 | tx | Why not try both using a LiveCD or LiveUSB? |
| 04:44.06 | Shmam | ok so missing firmware files are for ath10k/pre-cal-pci and one other one |
| 04:44.24 | Shmam | how do I download those and install them during the deb installation? |
| 04:44.35 | maxcell_ | because live distro doesn't show the real performance you get |
| 04:44.43 | tx | Are you installing from USB? |
| 04:44.51 | Shmam | yeah |
| 04:44.53 | Shmam | iso on usb |
| 04:44.59 | maxcell_ | i want a distro that have good support for nvidia card |
| 04:45.22 | maxcell_ | and steam |
| 04:45.43 | tx | Shmam: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en |
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| 04:45.58 | tx | "If this option is selected, debian-installer will scan available devices for either loose firmware files or packages containing firmware. If found, the firmware will be copied to the correct location (/lib/firmware) and the driver module will be reloaded." |
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| 04:46.32 | tx | So either put it on that USB or use another one with the firmware file on it ;) |
| 04:47.17 | maxcell_ | debian-installer is the best installer ever |
| 04:47.22 | Shmam | HEYOOO |
| 04:47.25 | Shmam | wifi works |
| 04:47.26 | maxcell_ | seriously |
| 04:47.34 | Shmam | sick thanks for the help gais |
| 04:47.46 | Shmam | will read the rest of the install guide when I have more time |
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| 04:48.16 | Moondhum | maxcell_: how about mGAME, gaming edition of manjaro |
| 04:48.44 | maxcell_ | i didn't like manjaro |
| 04:48.50 | maxcell_ | too much softwares by default |
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| 04:49.54 | klys | when I first got this laptop I used w32diskimager to write this file to my usb storage: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
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| 04:50.10 | maxcell_ | im looking for a distro that i can install the latest versions of nvidia driver and have good stability at the same time and support to steam and wine |
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| 04:50.44 | klys | that created a fat filesystem and I copied a debian .iso into the filesystem which was able to install it correctly. |
| 04:51.21 | klys | maxcell, you can install the nvidia driver on debian |
| 04:51.28 | klys | I haven't tried steam |
| 04:51.44 | klys | and wine seems to work okay |
| 04:51.55 | maxcell_ | klys, steam can be done with the 9.1 i already tried |
| 04:52.05 | Moondhum | maxcell_: Solus? It has good nvidia support and has official steam integration |
| 04:52.10 | klys | you just need dpkg --add-architecture i386 if you want to install wine |
| 04:52.22 | klys | s/wine/wine32/ |
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| 04:53.21 | maxcell_ | Moondhum, Solus was the best i found for nvidia cards users. Really fast, the interface itself doesn't lag when you move things around, top noch. BUT, you can't install .deb packages or .rpm packages and it has a very limited number of applications. |
| 04:55.06 | maxcell_ | klys, back in the day, i used to install the nvidia-driver from the official website, the .bin driver. But Debian change some things and i couldn't install anymore. Seems like they move some folder to another location and we can't install the driver this way anymore. So we have to stick with the "stable" old version of it.Thats my only complain about Debian for gaming right now |
| 04:56.58 | nku | there are nvidia drivers in backports |
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| 04:57.51 | maxcell_ | nku, can you see the version? |
| 04:58.00 | nku | maxcell_: ? |
| 04:58.04 | maxcell_ | nku, of the driver |
| 04:58.11 | nku | maxcell_: what do you mean |
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| 04:59.03 | maxcell_ | nku, the version of the nvidia driver thatis available in backports repo |
| 04:59.10 | nku | what about it? |
| 04:59.19 | klys | ,versions nvidia-driver |
| 04:59.20 | maxcell_ | i want to know if thats too old |
| 04:59.20 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.66-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.66-1; buster/non-free: 375.66-2; sid/non-free: 375.66-2 |
| 05:00.57 | maxcell_ | the backport will get the buster driver? |
| 05:01.19 | nku | maxcell_: are you talking about jessie? |
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| 05:01.35 | maxcell_ | nku, stretch |
| 05:01.45 | nku | well, not yet |
| 05:02.05 | nku | is 375.66 not the upstream version? |
| 05:02.41 | maxcell_ | not really, we are in the 384.59 accordinly to the nvidia website. But, 375 is way better than 340 already |
| 05:03.08 | nku | so 375.66 is the upstream version. just not the latest. yes, so strech already has the buster driver |
| 05:03.45 | nku | never drivers will probably arrive sooner or later in backports. obviously they have to enter sid/testing first |
| 05:03.49 | nku | newer |
| 05:04.38 | maxcell_ | sure |
| 05:04.59 | maxcell_ | i wonder why it get soo long to put the newer driver |
| 05:05.17 | nku | it could be faster if you volunteered to help |
| 05:05.41 | maxcell_ | i would if i could |
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| 05:06.29 | maxcell_ | but, why debian needs to test the stability of a proprietary driver? |
| 05:07.13 | klys | some of those questions are best asked in a mailing list or email |
| 05:07.39 | maxcell_ | sure |
| 05:07.47 | maxcell_ | thought u knew |
| 05:08.56 | jim | do the debian python dev(s) have a special cache of more recent python packages somewhere? |
| 05:09.35 | maxcell_ | i can't programming and i don't know linux that well to be a volunteer to help on that matter, gotta leave it to "you" |
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| 05:09.53 | klys | check the list of unoficcial apt repositories. |
| 05:10.11 | jim | would you have a link to that? |
| 05:10.28 | armando__ | Hello, I had a quick question in stretch I was trying to compile kernel 4.12 using the make deb-pkg target and that produced a linux-libc-dev package for 4.12 specifically that I installed. I wanted to go back to the stock stretch kernel which I am able to boot into without any issues but I now still have this newer linux-libc-dev package installed and I would like to replace it with what came with stretch I tried apt-get --reinst |
| 05:10.32 | jim | (btw appreciate your response) |
| 05:10.38 | armando__ | but that said that reinstallation wasn't possible because it couldn't be downloaded |
| 05:12.15 | klys | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Unofficial |
| 05:12.25 | jmcnaught | armando__: try "apt-get -s -t stretch --reinstall install linux-libc-dev" (setting the target to stretch) |
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| 05:13.28 | armando__ | jmcnaught: same thing unfortunately: apt-get -s -t stretch --reinstall install linux-libc-dev |
| 05:13.37 | armando__ | sorry meant to paste the error |
| 05:13.43 | armando__ | Reinstallation of linux-libc-dev is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 05:14.01 | klys | make sure stretch is in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:14.10 | klys | and run apt-get update |
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| 05:15.05 | jmcnaught | armando__: then use this syntax: apt-get -s --reinstall install linux-libc-dev=4.9.30-2+deb9u2 |
| 05:15.09 | Shmam | Just installed kde and most of the touchpad settings are greyed out. Any idea how I get them to be editable? |
| 05:15.29 | jmcnaught | armando__: and once it looks like it does what you want, remove the -s (for simulate) |
| 05:15.59 | jmcnaught | jim: do you want a different version of python, or are you looking for modules? |
| 05:16.08 | armando__ | yep that's it! |
| 05:16.57 | armando__ | cool so in the future If I need to downgrade I can just specify the version that's what I was misisng |
| 05:17.00 | armando__ | cool thanks for your help |
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| 05:17.21 | jmcnaught | armando__: downgrading is unsupported in general, don't count on it to always work |
| 05:17.53 | jim | jmcnaught, tbh, it's a bit of sns syndrome, for this cause brought on by a python core developler who is saying there are important bug fixes in python-3.6 |
| 05:18.42 | armando__ | jmcnaught: was this package just not necessary to install then if I was just trying to install the kernel I could have been fine with just the headers and the image? |
| 05:18.59 | armando__ | I've never use deb-pkg target before when compiling a kernel |
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| 05:19.05 | jim | not necessarily looking for modules... but if I do go for them, probably use pip to get them into a venv |
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| 05:19.58 | jmcnaught | armando__: honestly i haven't needed to compile a kernel in at least a decade |
| 05:20.09 | jmcnaught | (and therefore have not) |
| 05:20.40 | armando__ | fair enough thanks for your help! |
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| 05:20.58 | jmcnaught | jim: i wouldn't install python 3.6 to my Debian root. I say run it in a chroot or a container. |
| 05:22.33 | jim | I was also more or less curious about that... for example I know the postgres folks have fairly extensive coverage of various pg versions for various deb versions; thought the same might be true of python, but, didn't find a python repo similar to the pg repo in the list https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Unofficial |
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| 05:22.46 | jim | (so yes, found the list) |
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| 05:24.58 | jmcnaught | there are also packages in Debian that might behave differently in the newer version of Python. Debian packages that depend on python will have only been tested with the version that comes with Debian |
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| 05:32.23 | pierrot | during the boot process, I'm getting the error "failed to execute '/usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxCreateUSBNode.sh'". I make a directory virtualbox in /opt/ and copied the file VBoxCreateUSBNode.sh to /opt/virbualbox/. Then I edited the file /etc/udev/rules.d/60-vboxdrv.rules changing "/usr/lib/" for "/opt/". However, after a reboot, I'm getting the same error. |
| 05:32.45 | pierrot | s/make/made/ |
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| 05:37.25 | pierrot | I've also tried to uninstall and install virtualbox-5.1 with same results |
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| 05:38.28 | pierrot | apart from these annoying messages, my virtual machines doesn't start because there's no USB support |
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| 06:02.10 | Moondhum | Hello, I did a minimal debian jessie install on my laptop. My integrated webcam doesn't seem to work. I have installed 'libv4l-0' and here is my demsg https://paste.debian.net/978006/ Also I don't have /dev/video present. |
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| 06:03.15 | jmcnaught | Moondhum: what does minimal mean? can you try the webcam with stretch? |
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| 06:05.47 | Moondhum | jmcnaught: I installed only minimal xorg 'apt-get install --no-install-recommends xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-video-fbdev xserver-xorg-video-intel'. |
| 06:05.58 | Moondhum | jmcnaught: what is stretch? |
| 06:06.09 | nku | !stretch |
| 06:06.10 | dpkg | Stretch is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch . Ask me about <install stretch>, <release notes>, <jessie->stretch>. |
| 06:07.06 | Moondhum | jmcnaught: webcam works when I install full xorg :) |
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| 06:07.37 | jmcnaught | Moondhum: recommends are recommended |
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| 06:08.04 | rpifan__ | would debian ever be able to adhere to a simplified file directroy structure like gobo linux |
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| 06:09.14 | nku | rpifan__: that's the wrong question. of course debian could, but that's a silly layout |
| 06:09.32 | rpifan__ | why its a simplified smarter layout that makes sense |
| 06:09.48 | nku | rpifan__: please take that discussion to ##linux |
| 06:09.56 | rpifan__ | but i want debian to do it |
| 06:10.01 | rpifan__ | not just general linux |
| 06:10.16 | nku | rpifan__: so become a debian developer and convince the other devs |
| 06:10.53 | rpifan | true |
| 06:10.57 | rozie | nku: you meant: just fork Debian and try to do it ;-) |
| 06:11.12 | nku | rozie: that's at least possible. but no, i meant what i said |
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| 07:17.21 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 07:20.48 | hexhaxtron | Can someone fix my config above so that it works like https://www.thunix.org/~hexhaxtron/index.php ? |
| 07:20.51 | hexhaxtron | https://paste.ngx.cc/c5 |
| 07:20.57 | hexhaxtron | I need it to load PHP pages. All I get are blank pages. |
| 07:21.07 | hexhaxtron | *below |
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| 07:44.45 | Peyam | Hi, Yestarday I tried to make abootable win 10 usb using cp windows.iso /dev/sdc but it did not boot. Now Im' trying to use woeusb but it complains about libwxgtk2.8-0 is not installed |
| 07:44.52 | Peyam | hello |
| 07:44.54 | Peyam | Hi, Yestarday I tried to make abootable win 10 usb using cp windows.iso /dev/sdc but it did not boot. Now Im' trying to use woeusb but it complains about libwxgtk2.8-0 is not installed |
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| 07:46.32 | jmcnaught | Peyam: that would be the correct way to make a bootable Debian USB stick, but Windows is a completely different OS. What is this woeusb and how did you install it? |
| 07:47.08 | Haohmaru | Peyam, is your iso broken? |
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| 07:47.31 | Peyam | well somebody here told me to do that. Woeusb is the fork of winusb. but neither of them gets installed becouse libwxgtk is not install. |
| 07:47.39 | Peyam | Haohmaru, no. I'm pretty sure it's not |
| 07:48.05 | jmcnaught | Peyam: can you show the command you used and the complete output on http://paste.debian.net/ please? |
| 07:48.13 | Peyam | allright |
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| 07:48.22 | Haohmaru | i've put a win10 iso onto a usb stick for sure, i used rufus, but probably with the "dd" method |
| 07:48.28 | Haohmaru | and it worked |
| 07:48.37 | Haohmaru | so try on linux with the "dd" command |
| 07:48.50 | Peyam | jmcnaught, http://paste.debian.net/978013/ |
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| 07:49.13 | jmcnaught | I would want to check Microsoft documentation that you can do this with a Windows ISO before bothering to start a copy |
| 07:49.43 | Peyam | Haohmaru, well I herd from someone that cp is a smarter way. but I recall that I used dd on ubuntu a while ago and it didnt do the job |
| 07:50.04 | jmcnaught | Peyam: that isn't the command you used and complete output |
| 07:50.10 | Haohmaru | Peyam, what happens? you can't boot from the usb stick? |
| 07:50.11 | jmcnaught | Peyam: which release of Debian are you using? |
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| 07:50.29 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
| 07:50.30 | Peyam | jmcnaught, sorry. I used pastebinit but by some reason it didt take the whole output |
| 07:50.43 | jmcnaught | Peyam: what is the command? |
| 07:50.47 | Peyam | http://paste.debian.net/978014/ |
| 07:51.22 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell Peyam -about bat |
| 07:51.23 | Peyam | jmcnaught, the laste stable. stretch. Haohmaru No. it does not happen. However I used winusb once it went smoothly |
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| 07:51.46 | jmcnaught | Peyam: the bot just messaged you with troubleshooting information to provide |
| 07:51.53 | Peyam | jmcnaught, I downloaded the .deb file and did sudo dpkg -i winusb.deb |
| 07:52.14 | jmcnaught | Peyam: is it a .deb compiled for Debian, or for a different distro? |
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| 07:52.41 | Peyam | let me check. I believed it works on all debian based distro |
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| 07:52.54 | jmcnaught | Peyam: apparently not |
| 07:53.08 | Peyam | jmcnaught, I followed this : https://medium.com/operetta-de-vie/windows-to-usb-on-linux-debian-ubuntu-winusb-review-aed73eac1515 |
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| 07:54.31 | jmcnaught | Peyam: lots of blogs with bad advice on them. The .deb you have is not compatible with Debian, do not break your system trying to install it. |
| 07:54.56 | jmcnaught | Peyam: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian also you should ask ##windows how to copy a Windows ISO to USB |
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| 07:55.31 | Peyam | jmcnaught, it is a linux issue since it's done in linux. I'm pretty sure they will tell me to join #debian again |
| 07:55.53 | Peyam | jmcnaught, I tried with gdebi and it says "Dependency is not satisfiable: libwxbase2.8-0 (>= 2.8.12.1) |
| 07:55.53 | Peyam | " |
| 07:56.14 | jmcnaught | Peyam: it is *NOT COMPATIBLE* |
| 07:56.28 | Peyam | Am I download wrong .deb file ? |
| 07:56.38 | Haohmaru | Peyam, when you tried "dd" you used /dev/sdc (not /dev/sdc1) and conv=sync, right? |
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| 07:56.57 | Haohmaru | and you waited for dd to complete..? |
| 07:57.16 | Peyam | yes sir Haohmaru :) |
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| 07:57.45 | jmcnaught | Peyam: .deb are not universal packages that work on all distros. Software is compiled and linked against specific versions of libraries. Different distros and releases have different versions of libraries. |
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| 07:57.51 | jmcnaught | you need to find another way |
| 07:58.03 | Haohmaru | weird then |
| 07:58.04 | Peyam | jmcnaught, yes. Do you possibly have any suggention? |
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| 07:58.33 | jmcnaught | Peyam: the wiki page I linked you to has a section on safer methods to install software not available in Debian |
| 07:58.35 | Haohmaru | if there's a linux version of rufus - it should do it |
| 07:58.51 | jmcnaught | or find an alternative |
| 07:58.53 | Peyam | Haohmaru, let me search for it |
| 08:00.00 | Haohmaru | i used the microsoft win10 downloading app which has the option to either create a bootable usb stick with win10 installer, or just download the iso.. so that's where i got my win10 iso from |
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| 08:00.33 | Peyam | I'm a student I can download bootable iso files. |
| 08:00.40 | Peyam | so it's not hacked or anything |
| 08:00.47 | Haohmaru | and i used rufus then, but i don't remember if i used the "dd" method or the default method (in which rufus actually reads the iso filesystems and does some crap) |
| 08:01.03 | Peyam | yes Haohmaru :) |
| 08:01.47 | Haohmaru | and you're not trying to run a 64bit win10 installer onto a machine with a 32bit processor, right? |
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| 08:02.09 | Peyam | Haohmaru, no. it is a 64 bit machine :( |
| 08:02.24 | jmcnaught | Peyam: did you ask in ##windows? Can you have a friend who runs Windows do copy it for you? Preparing Windows bootable USB is not really on topic in the Debian support channel |
| 08:02.26 | Haohmaru | k |
| 08:02.55 | Haohmaru | it's also possible that your usb stick is getting corrupted or doesn't work reliably |
| 08:02.59 | Peyam | jmcnaught, Just moved to a new city. do not know anyone. I wil ask #windows now |
| 08:03.05 | Haohmaru | recently i hade HUGE usb stick failure issues |
| 08:03.10 | Haohmaru | * had |
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| 08:03.18 | Peyam | Haohmaru, the thing is that I dont use the proper method I believe. |
| 08:04.37 | Peyam | jmcnaught, is it possible to just install the dependencies and get over it? |
| 08:05.37 | jmcnaught | Peyam: no. Please take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian. I don't know how I can make it more clear to you that the .deb you have is not compatiblee with Debian. |
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| 08:06.12 | Peyam | okey take it easy :) thanks |
| 08:06.20 | Haohmaru | the better way to do it is to figure out what's not right, and then use the right tool+method to do it properly |
| 08:06.46 | Peyam | Haohmaru, yes. I'm trying. thanks :) |
| 08:06.47 | Haohmaru | the right tool should not require you to break your linux |
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| 08:08.40 | mcint | question - I'm trying to use an old version of adb, (1.0.31, current is 1.0.36), but I can't figure out how to install it. Do I need to add an old archive-repo or something |
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| 08:09.48 | mcint | I'm not fluent in using packages.debian.org but I'm having trouble finding previous version information |
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| 08:10.00 | jmcnaught | ,v adb |
| 08:10.01 | judd | Package: adb on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0.0+r33-1; buster: 1:7.0.0+r33-2; sid: 1:7.0.0+r33-2 |
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| 08:10.38 | anodesni | Hi, I use debian 9 with xfce and lightdm. It seems lightdm only sources .xsessionrc at login, but even that files does not seem to be sourced. Is there an alternative? |
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| 08:11.08 | Peyam | jmcnaught, they don't like debian user on windows. They say not so good thing about us. hhh |
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| 08:11.59 | rudi_s | anodesni: .xsessionrc should be sourced by default, see /etc/X11/ (grep -r for xsessionrc) |
| 08:12.14 | jmcnaught | mcint: the package used to be called android-tools-adb before stretch but maybe you mean a different adb? |
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| 08:13.14 | mcint | jmcnaught: I see that 'adb' breaks <<6.0~, but I suspect that is the version I want (other users describe the same issue I'm having being fixed by using a previous version from before an adb breaking change) |
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| 08:13.29 | mcint | the very same |
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| 08:14.01 | mcint | oh, ok, so since then it's just become a transistional /wrapper/alias package |
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| 08:15.28 | jmcnaught | mcint: they're called virtual packages in Debian jargon. If you need an older version of adb running on stretch I would run it in a chroot |
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| 08:16.36 | jmcnaught | mcint: https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot |
| 08:17.24 | mcint | ok, thanks! jargon question....what do you call the collected output of `apt show` / the dkpg/pkg info? |
| 08:17.59 | mcint | and thanks for the link, looks like a fairly google-able topic, but I appreciate the direct link...and was wary of asking too lazily |
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| 08:21.06 | jmcnaught | mcint: there may not be a word for the output besides "information about a package" but that information is coming from the debian/control file in the source package |
| 08:21.23 | shtrb | What are my alternatives to be able to perform remote graphical login (to login manager) (sddm seem not to like xdmcp) ? |
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| 08:24.52 | shtrb|work | did anyone answer the xdmcp /sddm alternative while I was gone ? |
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| 08:30.00 | mcint | jmcnaught: do you maintain any nlp packages? |
| 08:30.21 | jmcnaught | i don't maintain any packages |
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| 08:48.18 | anodesni | Hi, does someone know how to install g++ 5 on debian stretch? |
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| 08:54.05 | biggsy | I've broken my apt-get system. Can someone help please? |
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| 08:55.49 | biggsy | OK, I'm not getting a response so I'm going |
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| 09:15.40 | Azimoth | Hi, I was just trying to introduce SELinux to my LUKS encrypted homeserver (Stretch) and until "selinux-activate" everything worked fine. After the reboot I tried check-selinux-installation and it still said "SELinux is not enabled." complaining about "getfilecon: getfilecon(/proc/1) failed", "Could not read the domain of PID 1." and "The directories /sys/fs/selinux and /selinux are missing". How could I figure out what to do next? |
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| 09:19.37 | ws2k3 | im trying to compile https://github.com/artpaul/clickhouse-cpp on debian jessie. but im getting This file requires compiler and library support for the ISO C++ 2011 standard. This support is currently experimental, and must be enabled with the -std=c++11 or -std=gnu++11 compiler options how can i resolve that? |
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| 09:25.24 | jelly | anodesni, not really, install it from source into a separate prefix? What fails to work with 6.3 |
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| 09:32.05 | svetlana2 | how do I install vboxdrv on debian 8? "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') virtualbox" doesn't do it |
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| 09:35.13 | merimel | you also need to install gcc and make utils |
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| 09:36.19 | merimel | then mount guest additions image into VM via menu option in VM window |
| 09:37.06 | OxOO | After stretch upgrade, hexchat is not in the fluxbox menu. I ran "update-menus" as root, but still 'cat /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu | grep -i "hexchat"' gives no hits. yes hexchat is installed and exists at /usr/bin/hexchat. any idea? |
| 09:37.11 | merimel | copy contents of this disc to VM anf run ./VBox-<something>.run |
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| 09:38.24 | merimel | OxOO: did you try another user with fresh configs? |
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| 09:43.17 | OxOO | merimel: no... why would that change things? |
| 09:43.41 | OxOO | merimel: "update-menus" is ran by root and changes /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu. |
| 09:43.57 | jnhghy | hi, top shows as most resources consuming a command I don't recongize "yam" how can I get to the root of the command? running "man yam" and "yam -v" got me no extra info |
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| 09:46.45 | celyr | yam ? |
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| 09:47.27 | themill | jnhghy: you could look in /proc/$pid |
| 09:47.48 | merimel | OxOO: after upgrade to KDE5 my systemtray was broken and nothing helped, only config flushing. Another user (with no configs in home directory) is safe way to figure out the problem |
| 09:48.13 | merimel | it's common practice by the way |
| 09:48.46 | OxOO | sure I'll create one and just see if running fluxbox with that user for some magical reason will make the menu updated, even though the menu file in /etc/X11 isn't |
| 09:48.51 | OxOO | would be super weird |
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| 09:49.22 | jnhghy | themill: I've run "ps aux | grep yam" and it shows a "sh -c ./yam yam.cfg 2>&1 3>&1" now I'm trying to find the location of that "./yam" will check proc also thanks |
| 09:50.14 | shtrb | CS ? |
| 09:50.30 | shtrb | *counter-strike |
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| 09:51.43 | OxOO | merimel: nope. |
| 09:51.47 | OxOO | as expected |
| 09:51.58 | merimel | CS:GO works in debian, i've checked |
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| 09:52.14 | merimel | OxOO: i'm out of ideas |
| 09:52.26 | OxOO | merimel: thanks anyway :) |
| 09:52.50 | shtrb | it was for jnhghy (yam is a tool for CS:GO) also a build tool for .net |
| 09:53.22 | OxOO | another thing though, after running the upgrade, ran "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" again to make sure, and then it wants to remove virtualbox... any idea why? |
| 09:53.43 | jnhghy | shtrb: well my server is a web server so doesn't seem like it should be there...I'm worried I might be hacked and trying to get to the root of it |
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| 09:54.17 | merimel | i'm prefer longer version "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 09:54.29 | merimel | **i'm prefer longer version "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 09:54.42 | shtrb | I also found a mining app called yam that is executed as yam yam.cfg |
| 09:54.47 | ws2k3 | jelly and how can i add that flag? |
| 09:55.03 | ws2k3 | jelly i tryed: make CXXFLAGS+=-std=c++11 that didnt work |
| 09:55.03 | shtrb | gnhghy , I also found a mining app called yam that is executed as yam yam.cfg |
| 09:55.24 | OxOO | meh I'll just do what apt wants and reinstall later |
| 09:55.25 | merimel | OxOO: try apt-get install -f (it supposed to install dependencies for broken packages) |
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| 09:56.59 | OxOO | oh I forgot to try that on this upgrade. thanks |
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| 09:59.13 | merimel | hello, feel free to ask anything about debian |
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| 10:00.49 | jnhghy | shtrb: any clue how that got in there? in my case its executed from my tmp folder |
| 10:01.01 | OxOO | oook. things seems a bit broken here after the upgrade |
| 10:01.28 | shtrb | gnhghy , If it's the miner and you didn't install it you had been hacked |
| 10:01.37 | shtrb | *or one of your users |
| 10:02.03 | shtrb | time for backup , reinstall and fixing the hole that let them in |
| 10:02.22 | jnhghy | shtrb: yup that is what it seams ... I've been hacked :( .... what bout you? how that got in there for you? |
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| 10:04.46 | shtrb | I just searched for it , check the binary / script to see what it holds |
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| 10:05.44 | OxOO | oh seems like virtualbox isn't in the stable repos anymore |
| 10:05.45 | shtrb | hd /tmp/yam |less , strings /tmp/yam etc |
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| 10:06.29 | shtrb | and check if there are any connections held by that process |
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| 10:09.50 | CQ | hello... for firefox in stretch, you need to just use -esr and stick with that? http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 10:11.29 | petn-randall | CQ: You only need that repo if you want newer versions not provided in stable. |
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| 10:11.52 | CQ | petn-randall: https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/6ie0co/stretch_has_rustc_but_not_latest_firefox_why/ |
| 10:12.09 | CQ | apparently there is no newer version because of missing stuff |
| 10:12.16 | petn-randall | ,v firefox |
| 10:12.17 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 54.0-2; experimental: 55.0~b2-1 |
| 10:12.21 | petn-randall | ,v firefox-esr |
| 10:12.23 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.2.0esr-2; sid: 52.2.0esr-2 |
| 10:12.57 | CQ | ...but nothing in stretch-backports |
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| 10:13.52 | CQ | basically I want to run the latest FF possible that's in testing or backports... but under stable. so I guess I'll wait until FF moves to stretch-backports from sid |
| 10:14.22 | petn-randall | CQ: I'm guessing you'll have to wait until somebody backports the dependencies. |
| 10:14.47 | CQ | yep |
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| 10:16.46 | CQ | ,v steam |
| 10:16.47 | judd | No package named 'steam' was found in amd64. |
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| 10:22.52 | petn-randall | ,v steam --architecture i386 |
| 10:22.54 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and amd64 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 10:22.58 | petn-randall | ,v steam --arch i386 |
| 10:22.59 | judd | Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.49-1; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2; buster/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2; stretch/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2 |
| 10:23.07 | petn-randall | CQ: ^^^ |
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| 10:24.14 | petn-randall | CQ: You'll need to add i386 with 'dpkg --add-architecture i386' and then you can install it. |
| 10:25.06 | CQ2 | E: Package 'steam' has no installation candidate |
| 10:25.15 | CQ2 | ... I didi that, and updated, still not there though |
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| 10:26.54 | cef | CQ: are you sure there's much difference in FF between stretch-security & sid? afaik 52.2.0esr is the latest currently in debian, regardless. |
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| 10:34.14 | CQ | sorry, flaky wifi in a holiday home... |
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| 10:38.03 | shtrb | What are my alternatives to be able to perform remote graphical login (to login manager), connection within a vpn (sddm seem not to like xdmcp) |
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| 10:40.28 | CQ | vnc can work as well |
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| 10:40.58 | shtrb | you can put vnc to the login manager ? |
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| 10:42.09 | jelly | ws2k3, that depends on the build system, this source seems to use cmake so investigate how to add flags for c++ in cmake |
| 10:43.42 | shtrb | CQ , or do you mean to have something like xinted + systemd socket + vnc ? |
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| 10:44.28 | CQ | shtrb: not sure, google it, but I'd guess its possible |
| 10:45.11 | shtrb | I have , the current hints I got was to nuke sddm and use lighdm :) |
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| 10:49.22 | jelly | ws2k3, I know nothing about cmake, but CMakeLists.txt looks like a config file |
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| 10:51.01 | shtrb | set (CMAKE_CXX_STANDARD 11) |
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| 10:51.28 | shtrb | ws2k3 ^ |
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| 10:56.09 | merimel | do anyone know what is systemd-networkd.service ? |
| 10:56.31 | shtrb | yes |
| 10:56.43 | merimel | I have messages in logs about it failing after recent update in testing |
| 10:56.51 | merimel | everything works fine |
| 10:56.57 | merimel | but it bothers me |
| 10:58.09 | shtrb | that is a very nice service to enable denial of service attacks (CVE-2017-9217) |
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| 10:59.21 | merimel | Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/systemd-networkd.service; disabled; vendor preset: enabled) |
| 10:59.33 | merimel | should I re-enable it? |
| 11:00.38 | grift | no, systemctl status systemd-networkd.socket |
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| 11:01.37 | grift | if you dont know what it is then you dont need it |
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| 11:02.47 | merimel | fancy-shmancy stuff |
| 11:03.22 | grift | its basically a daemon that provides systemd-nspawn containers with connectivity |
| 11:03.34 | grift | optionally |
| 11:04.04 | grift | if you dont have any nspawn containers then there is no reason to use that thing |
| 11:04.59 | merimel | but for some reason it attempt to start while boot and fails |
| 11:05.07 | grift | yes thats systemd for you |
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| 11:05.37 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 11:05.49 | jelly | dselect, debian-next |
| 11:05.49 | dselect | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:05.53 | grift | see if the socket unit is enabled and if so disable it |
| 11:06.07 | jelly | merimel, ^^ if you run testing or unstable, ask there |
| 11:06.07 | grift | systemctl status systemd-networkd.socket |
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| 11:06.36 | merimel | jelly: I thought it developers only channel |
| 11:07.01 | jelly | no, that'd be -devel |
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| 11:07.31 | merimel | grift: it's also disabled, strange |
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| 11:08.23 | merimel | jelly: can't join debian-next, i'm not invited |
| 11:08.40 | cef | merimel: it's not on freenode. |
| 11:08.46 | jelly | now read all of that again, carefully, merimel |
| 11:08.56 | El_Komnerie | re |
| 11:09.00 | merimel | oh |
| 11:09.40 | grift | i suppose something is manually starting it |
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| 11:10.59 | deltam | hi, installing stretch now (manually without some recommends) i have linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64, but journalctl says "systemd-udevd: could not open moddep file /lib/modules/4.9.0-2-amd64/modules.dep.bin" and naturally that directory does not exist because it is 4.9.0-2 and not 4.9.0-3 |
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| 11:11.16 | deltam | is this a known problem? can i do something to fix it? |
| 11:12.27 | deltam | the install is complete, i am in the booted system |
| 11:12.35 | deltam | on another box |
| 11:12.43 | jelly | deltam, what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 11:13.22 | deltam | jelly, 4.9.0-2-amd64 |
| 11:13.32 | jelly | you don't have the latest kernel booted |
| 11:14.01 | deltam | ahhh, thanks, i think i know why |
| 11:14.23 | deltam | i will try something ... |
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| 11:15.45 | deltam | i have a separate old-school boot partition, likely need to fix something there |
| 11:16.21 | jelly | make sure it's mounted automatically |
| 11:16.52 | deltam | give me a minute |
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| 11:17.03 | jelly | (and reinstall linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64 after it's mounted, if it's missing there) |
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| 11:22.53 | deltam | jelly, i fixed it, thank you for the clue |
| 11:23.24 | jelly | cheers |
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| 12:30.23 | necrophcodr | Hi! I'm having some trouble related to multistrap on Ubuntu, so quick question: |
| 12:30.29 | necrophcodr | Does debian use selinux or libselinux1? |
| 12:31.09 | necrophcodr | like core debian, basic server install with _no_ additional packages at all |
| 12:31.31 | tremolo | "The Debian packaged Linux kernels have SELinux support compiled in, but disabled by default." https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux |
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| 12:32.43 | necrophcodr | tremolo, Ah, so it does depend on it, it just isn't used. Is that correctly understood? |
| 12:33.36 | tremolo | SELinux is supported and can be enabled. |
| 12:34.24 | necrophcodr | tremolo, yes i know, but if i'm doing a base install, is it a required package then? libselinux1 that is |
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| 12:35.04 | grift | necrophcodr yes |
| 12:35.15 | necrophcodr | grift, thanks! |
| 12:35.57 | grift | for example, systemd links with libselinux |
| 12:36.02 | grift | but many other components |
| 12:36.07 | grift | apt as well |
| 12:36.21 | necrophcodr | grift, would apt on ubuntu also depend on libselinux then? |
| 12:36.24 | grift | or i should say dpkg |
| 12:36.41 | grift | i dunno about ubuntu |
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| 12:36.47 | necrophcodr | i'm asking because i'm having trouble using multistrap for bootstrapping a ubuntu rootfs, and it hangs on setting up libselinux1 |
| 12:37.03 | necrophcodr | multistrap being a debian project, i thought perhaps there was something going on there |
| 12:37.04 | grift | but theres a quick sanity check |
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| 12:37.47 | jelly | necrophcodr, there shouldn't really be a lot to set up, it's just a library dependency |
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| 12:38.23 | necrophcodr | jelly, i'd think so too, yet it unfortunately hangs |
| 12:38.43 | necrophcodr | it could be something else, but i'm not very well equipped to debug these issues unfortunately, so i'm trying things out |
| 12:38.51 | jelly | unfortunately I have no idea how multistrap differs from debootstrap |
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| 12:39.08 | grift | dmesg | grep -i "running in system mode" |
| 12:39.46 | jelly | seems to be using apt to resolve deps, unlike debootstrap which kind of has its own thing. In bash. |
| 12:39.49 | grift | if that says +SELINUX then systemd is linked with selinux and then it makes sense that other selinux aware programs are linked with libselinux as well (dpkg) |
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| 12:40.45 | grift | if it says -SELinux then systemd is not linked with selinux and then it does not make sense for other programs to be linked with libselinux (because that would be inconsistent) |
| 12:40.49 | jelly | ,i libselinux1 |
| 12:40.50 | judd | Package libselinux1 (libs, required) in stretch/amd64: SELinux runtime shared libraries. Version: 2.6-3+b1; Size: 99.0k; Installed: 209k; Homepage: http://userspace.selinuxproject.org/ |
| 12:41.09 | jelly | necrophcodr, see that "required" bit? That means it's part of base system. |
| 12:42.15 | necrophcodr | jelly, for debian sure, but the problem is i'm trying to "bootstrap" an ubuntu install. there's more competent help in here though i can tell, but i asked mostly because multistrap was debian based, and i reasoned it could be a debianism |
| 12:42.51 | jelly | then you need to ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server |
| 12:43.12 | necrophcodr | jelly, i did, and that's how i arrived here. i'll continue my troubleshooting attempts.. |
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| 12:44.14 | necrophcodr | Thanks for your time and help though! |
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| 12:45.09 | grift | ubuntu probably has same behavior |
| 12:45.30 | jelly | if you had a debian host, or trying to create a debian chroot, there'd be reason to continue helping in here |
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| 12:47.33 | jelly | grift, the thing is we just don't know what a derivative may have changed, and there's a lot more users of derivatives than users of debian at present time. So they get nudged (gently) to ask where their own distro provides support |
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| 12:47.39 | kos-mos | hi |
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| 12:47.45 | grift | true |
| 12:48.06 | kos-mos | Do you know why the "lshell" package is no more available in jessie ? |
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| 12:48.17 | jelly | judd, bug rm lshell |
| 12:48.19 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/862302 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: lshell -- RoQA; unmaintained, open security issues»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-05-10; last modified: 2017-06-09. |
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| 12:50.28 | kos-mos | *thanks jelly |
| 12:50.59 | jelly | that doesn't really say why it got removed from oldstable (jessie) but I guess the reason stands |
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| 13:02.57 | kos-mos | *thing :/ |
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| 13:24.33 | guoruei1 | hi |
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| 13:26.57 | dcpc007 | hi, does anyone knows how to install usb dongle on a debian server (protection for a license software); i f i understand, something like akasub related ?? |
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| 13:28.08 | petn-randall | dcpc007: Is there license software supposed to run on Linux? |
| 13:28.19 | petn-randall | s/there/the/ |
| 13:28.58 | dcpc007 | yes but centos/suse |
| 13:29.11 | guoruei1 | wow |
| 13:29.35 | dcpc007 | paid software .. then they don't support debian ... again :-( |
| 13:29.50 | petn-randall | dcpc007: How is that related to Debian then? |
| 13:30.14 | petn-randall | dcpc007: I'd try to follow the CentOS instruction as close as possible, then. |
| 13:31.16 | dcpc007 | setup won't work :) and rpm or specific editor scripts inside ... |
| 13:31.56 | petn-randall | dcpc007: Then there's not much we can do. You could try converting the rpm with 'alien', but chances are the software won't install or run on Debian. |
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| 13:33.02 | darxmurf | I'm trying to activate the "folder view" for everybody |
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| 13:33.04 | dcpc007 | i try to guess what part is about this dongle in the install and see if there is a standard equivalent on debian (like near always) |
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| 13:43.49 | dcpc007 | ok found this i'll try : https://www.mikepoweredbydhi.com/upload/dhiwasy/download/Linux/aksusbd_deb_readme.html (but need 32bits env ..... 2017 ...) |
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| 14:27.28 | grillon | hi, I would like to use distcc and crosstool-ng for cross compile for arm but I don't understand how it's linked together. When I do distcc gnu-arm-XXX -c my_c_file.c I obtain gnu-arm-XXX no such file or dir. I'm sure it's in the path of remote platform so I did a link with update-alternatives between /usr/bin/gcc and gnu-arm-xxx it works but I obtain a .o file I cannot use :( |
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| 14:29.33 | grillon | documentation just say I need to update my PATH and tell the client to use arm_gcc but it doesn't work. If I just do distcc without any modification I obtain a X86_64 binary on my arm platform |
| 14:30.36 | grillon | compilation is distributed but crosstool-ng compiler is not used |
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| 14:39.12 | Uqqw | hi. After upgrade from jessie to stretch I noticed a bug, don't know if it's related to debian, xfce, lightdm... When I move cursor into and out of video on youtube, bottom part of screen blinks very fast, it wasn't like that when I used jessie and xfce. Tried it with different browsers, all do the same. What is the reason? Does anyone of you use x |
| 14:39.12 | Uqqw | fce4 to try? |
| 14:40.01 | greycat | Video drivers are very different in stretch, for a lot of chipsets. |
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| 14:42.19 | Uqqw | It's might be a reason, thanks. Will try to experiment with drivers |
| 14:42.57 | petn-randall | Uqqw: I don't think it's related to xfce. Running it here, I don't have this problem on two different machines. Both have intel GPU chipsets. |
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| 14:43.53 | Uqqw | mine is also intel |
| 14:44.02 | Uqqw | it's integrated |
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| 14:44.22 | petn-randall | Uqqw: Which chipset exactly? |
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| 14:44.44 | greycat | lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 14:45.37 | Uqqw | it says "Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset" |
| 14:46.12 | greycat | We need the PCI ID from lspci -nn. It'll be [8086:something] |
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| 14:46.54 | Uqqw | VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2e32] (rev 03) |
| 14:47.07 | greycat | ,pciid 8086:2e32 |
| 14:47.08 | judd | [8086:2e32] is '4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2e32 |
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| 14:47.24 | Uqqw | i915 is installed |
| 14:47.32 | Uqqw | it's a current driver |
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| 14:48.12 | greycat | I wonder if this is one that needs some non-free firmware. |
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| 14:49.11 | Uqqw | will "firmware-misc-nonfree" package help? |
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| 14:51.18 | greycat | This seems to be an older chipset, and lots of those didn't need non-free firmware, but it wouldn't hurt to try (as root) dmesg | grep -i firmware |
| 14:51.59 | greycat | If all else fails, and performance with the new modeset driver is just not cutting it, you could try switching back to the intel driver. |
| 14:52.13 | Uqqw | 'dmesg | grep -i firmware' returns nothing |
| 14:52.23 | cheapie | If it helps, my main box uses the same chipset, and I do seem to get 3D acceleration (what little that chip provides) on sid with no firmware. |
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| 14:52.58 | pierrot | hi. I uninstalled virtualbox-5.1 and I'm still getting the error "failed to execute '/usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxCreateUSBNode.sh'" at startup. it's weird because I don't a udev rule for virtualbox anymore |
| 14:53.37 | Uqqw | oh there's an error in dmesg log [drm:intel_cpu_fifo_underrun_irq_handler [i915]] *ERROR* CPU pipe A FIFO underrun |
| 14:53.54 | pierrot | and also, the /usr/lib/virtualbox/ folder was removed |
| 14:54.06 | greycat | Uqqw: that's beyond my understanding, sadly |
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| 14:57.42 | dondelelcaro | that fifo underrun error seems pretty common |
| 14:57.47 | dondelelcaro | gets it all the time |
| 14:57.57 | jmcnaught | pierrot: look for that error in journalctl, it should tell you where the error is coming from |
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| 14:58.48 | jmcnaught | pierrot: was virtualbox installed via Debian packages? Did you purge the packages or just remove them? |
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| 14:59.29 | pierrot | I purged the packages |
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| 14:59.41 | pierrot | and yes, it was intalled via Debian packages |
| 15:00.01 | pierrot | following this tutorial https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox |
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| 15:00.40 | pierrot | journalctl gives me several errors like this: |
| 15:00.42 | pierrot | jul 25 11:36:22 TOSHIBA-Debian-pbz systemd-udevd[143]: failed to execute '/usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxCreateUSBNode.sh' '/usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxCreateUSBNode.sh 189 768 09': No such file or directory |
| 15:01.07 | greycat | That looks like a shell scripting error. Quoting incorrectly, or similar. |
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| 15:01.43 | pierrot | but if virtualbox was purged, it's weird that the error is still there |
| 15:01.46 | greycat | Either that, or systemd reports errors very oddly. |
| 15:02.01 | jmcnaught | pierrot: last night (my time) you were asking about this issue and you mentioned moving stuff to /opt, and also editing /etc/udev/rules.d/60-vboxdrv.rules⦠is that file still there, or any other files you created or altered? |
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| 15:02.41 | greycat | If this systemd-udevd thing was *told* to execute a script that's no longer there, it may keep trying it, until it's told to stop. |
| 15:02.53 | pierrot | the file /etc/udev/rules.d/60-vboxdrv.rules was removed |
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| 15:03.19 | pierrot | I guess that the `apt-get purge` did it for me |
| 15:03.50 | pierrot | and the /opt/virtualbox/ folder that I had created manually, I removed it manually |
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| 15:04.51 | greycat | Yeah, all that's fine, but what's configuring systemd-udevd to try to do this thing? |
| 15:04.58 | jmcnaught | sounds like you tried a bunch of stuff? also it looks like the Debian package puts that script in /lib not /usr/lib, so were they Debian packages you used, or from somewhere else? |
| 15:06.14 | pierrot | I only tried one thing. And that was what I said yesterday night |
| 15:07.41 | pierrot | jmcnaught: I don't think so. I installed virtualbox through Debian and the script was in /usr/lib/ |
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| 15:07.48 | jmcnaught | pierrot: i would use grep in /etc/udev and /lib/udev to look for which files uses that script |
| 15:09.50 | jmcnaught | pierrot: what does "apt-cache policy virtualbox" say? |
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| 15:10.32 | pierrot | I did `sudo grep -R "VBoxCreateUSBNode.sh" /lib/udev/*` and `sudo grep -R "VBoxCreateUSBNode.sh" /etc/udev/*` getting empty outputs |
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| 15:11.31 | pierrot | it says: Instalados: (ninguno) |
| 15:11.39 | pierrot | Candidato: (ninguno) |
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| 15:12.52 | jmcnaught | pierrot: so did you remove a repo from your sources.list that you had earlier added for virtualbox? |
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| 15:13.35 | pierrot | virtualbox didn't have this problem. It happened yesterday when I did `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade` |
| 15:13.41 | pierrot | I think it got updated |
| 15:13.54 | pierrot | because when I opened one of my virtual machines |
| 15:13.59 | pierrot | I had to update the extension pack |
| 15:14.08 | greycat | You're still chasing the wrong path. Find out why udev thinks it is supposed to do this thing. |
| 15:14.20 | pierrot | because I was incompatible with the new virtual box version |
| 15:14.32 | pierrot | jmcnaught: I didn't remove anything from sources.list |
| 15:15.01 | pierrot | greycat: I don't know why udev notifies about this |
| 15:15.13 | pierrot | there should be a rule for this |
| 15:15.16 | pierrot | but there isn't |
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| 15:15.54 | greycat | Did you try grep -r -i vbox /etc/udev /lib/udev |
| 15:15.55 | jmcnaught | oh you probably installed stretch before it was stable, and had virtualbox installed from before it was removed from testing. sorry i was just trying to figure out if i was wasting my time looking inside the Debian packages |
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| 15:17.21 | pierrot | jmcnaught: no, I installed stretch when it was already stable |
| 15:17.34 | pierrot | and after the update, virtualbox was fine |
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| 15:17.52 | pierrot | this mess happened yesterday when I upgraded all my packages via `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade` |
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| 15:19.45 | pierrot | greycat: http://sprunge.us/eTGM that's the ouput of `grep -r -i vbox /etc/udev /lib/udev` |
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| 15:30.40 | jmcnaught | pierrot: other than those two directories the only other place that udev looks for rules is /run/udev/rules.d, but /run is volatile, files there do not remain after shutdown |
| 15:31.14 | greycat | I'm also guessing he hasn't rebooted since removing the virtualbox thing, and possibly that rebooting would stop the problem. BUt that's just a guess. |
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| 15:33.53 | pierrot | I've rebooted several times. |
| 15:34.24 | pierrot | jmcnaught: I'll look at that folder |
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| 15:35.10 | pierrot | I have /run/udev/ but not /run/udev/rules.d/ |
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| 15:38.10 | jmcnaught | pierrot: and where do you see this error message? Is it in "journalctl -u systemd-udevd -b"? |
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| 15:39.03 | greycat | Oh, that's the other thing I meant to ask -- *how long ago* was that error? Is it still recurring, or are you just visiting the past? |
| 15:39.20 | benlue_ | cant install kde-full. The following packages have unfulfilled dependencies: ... any ideas? |
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| 15:40.00 | benlue_ | i was trying sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get autoremove soon |
| 15:40.01 | BluesKaj | benlue_, which debian |
| 15:40.03 | pierrot | jmcnaught: I see it whenever I reboot |
| 15:40.12 | benlue_ | BluesKaj: Stretch |
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| 15:40.25 | pierrot | it's shown before the display manager appear |
| 15:40.43 | jmcnaught | benlue_: "/msg dpkg bat" for troubleshooting information to provide for this kind of issue |
| 15:40.56 | pierrot | and it's logged in dmesg as well |
| 15:41.49 | pierrot | I rebooted like 3 minutes ago, dmesg gives me errors like this: |
| 15:41.51 | pierrot | [ 1.887607] systemd-udevd[132]: failed to execute '/usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxCreateUSBNode.sh' '/usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxCreateUSBNode.sh 189 0 09': No such file or directory [ 1.887608] systemd-udevd[133]: failed to execute '/usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxCreateUSBNode.sh' '/usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxCreateUSBNode.sh 189 128 09': No such file or directory |
| 15:42.26 | greycat | At this point I'd try grep -r VBoxCreateUSBNode /etc /lib |
| 15:42.39 | pierrot | jmcnaught: it's curious that journalctl doesn't give me the error anymore |
| 15:42.40 | greycat | It's gotta be coming from *somewhere( |
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| 15:42.52 | pierrot | after this last reboot |
| 15:43.05 | greycat | Wait, 1.88 ... that's really small. Is it in the initramfs instead of the real system? |
| 15:43.35 | jmcnaught | oh good call |
| 15:43.37 | pierrot | I don't know |
| 15:43.38 | BluesKaj | benlue_, think a full kde/plasma upgrade is still a bit risky on stretch, but that's just a guess, however kde/plasma is till going thru a lot of development atm. |
| 15:44.21 | benlue_ | BluesKaj: With Gnome the same? |
| 15:44.24 | benlue_ | http://paste.debian.net/978092/ |
| 15:44.50 | jmcnaught | pierrot: did you run "update-initramfs -u" after removing virtualbox? Also can you run "dpkg -l | grep virtualbox" to see if there are still any of its packages? |
| 15:44.52 | benlue_ | http://paste.debian.net/978092/ |
| 15:45.11 | benlue_ | upps sorry http://paste.debian.net/978093 |
| 15:45.30 | pierrot | jmcnaught: no, I didn't execute any related to initramfs |
| 15:45.50 | BluesKaj | benlue_, dunno I'm on kde/plasma too, gnome's not my cuppa tea |
| 15:45.56 | jmcnaught | benlue_: please ask dpkg about "localized errors" like it says in the <bat> factoid, most of use here do not speak german |
| 15:46.01 | pierrot | `dpkg -l | grep virtualbox` gives me empty output |
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| 15:48.11 | BluesKaj | benlue_, uhm , my german is a bit rusty :-) |
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| 15:49.16 | benlue_ | How can i change the language? export lang=en_us.utf-8 isnt working ... |
| 15:49.46 | jmcnaught | !localized errors |
| 15:49.46 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
| 15:50.17 | benlue_ | jmcnaught: thanks |
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| 15:52.32 | pierrot | what's the meaning of the number 1.887607? What happens if it's low? |
| 15:52.42 | greycat | Time in seconds since boot. |
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| 15:53.08 | greycat | Your error happened *very* early. |
| 15:53.14 | pierrot | Hmm I see |
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| 15:53.57 | pierrot | udev rules aren't executed so early? |
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| 15:55.11 | benlue_ | apt-cache policy: http://paste.debian.net/978098/ apt install gnome: http://paste.debian.net/978099/ apt install kde-full: http://paste.debian.net/978100/ |
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| 15:56.06 | benlue_ | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 15:57.45 | benlue_ | i dount know how can i fix the broken packages :/ |
| 15:58.48 | greycat | pierrot: looks like the tool you need to unpack these "newer" initramfs files is called "unmkinitramfs". You could use that to extract it into a temp directory and see if your virtualbox stuff is coming from there. If so, you may want to regenerate the initramfs image. |
| 15:58.57 | BluesKaj | benlue_, you have jessie sources there, might be a problem, check your sources.list |
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| 16:00.27 | pierrot | greycat: Do I install unmkinitramfs ? |
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| 16:00.37 | greycat | You don't already have it? |
| 16:00.51 | benlue_ | BluesKaj: cat /etc/apt/sources.list http://paste.debian.net/978101/ |
| 16:00.54 | pierrot | Yes, I have it |
| 16:00.57 | greycat | It's in initramfs-tools-core |
| 16:01.10 | pierrot | yeah, I asked without actually check it |
| 16:01.27 | benlue_ | there is only stretch |
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| 16:02.02 | pierrot | how do I use it? and also, I don't know what I'm doing with it, what I'm supposed to check. Can you explain me? |
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| 16:02.25 | greycat | mkdir /tmp/foo && cd /tmp/foo && unmkinitramfs /boot/init<TAB> |
| 16:03.18 | jmcnaught | benlue_: did you do step 2. from the <bat> factoid? The one where you run apt-cache policy for the packages that you have trouble with? |
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| 16:04.08 | jrmu | Hi all, I just bought some wifi cards that claimed to use the Atheros 9271 chipset. So I plugged it in just now and dmesg shows that the firmware failed to load. It neds ath9k_htc/htc_9271 |
| 16:04.09 | jrmu | Did I get the wrong wifi cards or does even the open firmware need to be downloaded? |
| 16:04.23 | pierrot | greycat: I did it |
| 16:04.24 | greycat | ,file htf_9271 |
| 16:04.28 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 16:04.29 | greycat | ,file htc_9271 |
| 16:04.32 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 16:04.54 | greycat | pierrot: that dumps the entire contents of the initrd into /tmp/foo so you can grep for your virtualbox thing there. |
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| 16:05.08 | pierrot | Ok |
| 16:05.09 | benlue_ | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/978102/ yes there is only jessie repo for node_7.x |
| 16:05.09 | jrmu | ,file htc_9271 |
| 16:05.12 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 16:05.20 | jmcnaught | jrmu: did you leave out characters from the firmware file name? You probably need the firmware-atheros package |
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| 16:05.52 | pierrot | greycat: Yeah, there're entries related to virtualbox |
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| 16:06.10 | jrmu | jmcnaught: is that open firmware? I bought the wifi cards specifically to avoid blobs |
| 16:06.11 | jrmu | jmcnaught: I understand it may be necessarily to use, but I'm just a bit disappointed |
| 16:06.11 | greycat | pierrot: so I think that's where it's coming from |
| 16:06.39 | greycat | firmware-atheros is indeed non-free |
| 16:06.46 | greycat | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-atheros |
| 16:06.47 | pierrot | How can I get rid of them? |
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| 16:06.58 | BluesKaj | benlue_, this is mine, wonder why yours doesn't include the src lines https://paste.debian.net/978103/ |
| 16:07.05 | jmcnaught | benlue_: http://paste.debian.net/978102/ is the output of "apt-cache policy", I am asking for the output of "apt-cache policy package1 package2â¦" where package1 etc are the names of packages you cannot install. Please take another look at step 2 in the <bat> factoid |
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| 16:08.14 | jmcnaught | jrmu: firmware-atheros is in non-free |
| 16:08.48 | greycat | ,file htc_9271.fw |
| 16:08.52 | judd | Search for htc_9271.fw in stretch/amd64: firmware-atheros: lib/firmware/htc_9271.fw |
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| 16:09.01 | greycat | Full filename found on https://packages.debian.org/stretch/all/firmware-atheros/filelist |
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| 16:09.14 | jrmu | jmcnaught: feeling sad :( |
| 16:09.20 | benlue_ | jmcnaught: sorry, http://paste.debian.net/978104/ & http://paste.debian.net/978105/ |
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| 16:10.00 | greycat | pierrot: looks like "update-initramfs -c" maybe? Couldn't find a factoid, so I'm just going off the man page. |
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| 16:10.12 | greycat | or maybe -u |
| 16:10.15 | jrmu | there seems to be open firmware: https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc/open_firmware |
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| 16:12.08 | pierrot | greycat: ok, thanks. |
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| 16:12.40 | jmcnaught | benlue_: next use that same command for the packages that it complains about "but is not going to be installed" starting from the bottom. So for http://paste.debian.net/978099/ for example, do "apt-cache policy totem-plugins vinagre cheese gnome-core" |
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| 16:13.05 | jmcnaught | benlue_: also if you have aptitude installed "aptitude why-not <packagename>" can be handy |
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| 16:13.55 | greycat | wonders whether removing whatever package pierrot removed should have regenerated the initramfs and whether this is a bug |
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| 16:15.33 | jmcnaught | greycat: i'm skeptical considering the file in pierrot's errors is in /usr/lib, but the Debian package puts it in /lib. Also unclear is how /opt got involved |
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| 16:16.54 | pierrot | greycat: I rebooted and it's fixed now \o/ |
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| 16:17.16 | pierrot | jmcnaught: /opt got involved because I manually created /opt/virtualbox |
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| 16:17.26 | pierrot | and put the script there |
| 16:17.43 | pierrot | and changed the udev rule to see if it worked with other path |
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| 16:17.54 | pierrot | but it didn't |
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| 16:17.59 | benlue_ | jmcnaught: thats strange: apt install gnome = Depends: gnome-core (= 1:3.22+3) but it is not going to be installed |
| 16:18.15 | greycat | ,v gnome-core |
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| 16:18.16 | judd | Package: gnome-core on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; buster: 1:3.22+3; stretch: 1:3.22+3; sid: 1:3.22+3 |
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| 16:18.29 | jmcnaught | pierrot: still I don't know why your files were in /usr/lib and not where the Debian package puts them, so it's not clear that the packages actually came from Debian |
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| 16:18.35 | benlue_ | if i try to install gnome-core i get a new msg: depends ... |
| 16:18.59 | greycat | benlue_: mixed distributions/releases? |
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| 16:19.15 | benlue_ | greycat: no |
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| 16:19.51 | jmcnaught | benlue_: this is their "apt-cache policy" paste, and benlue_ is still working (?) on pastes of apt-cache policy for the packages that cannot be installed |
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| 16:19.58 | pierrot | jmcnaught: the package came from Debian. I followed this tutorial https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox |
| 16:20.45 | jmcnaught | pierrot: no you added an upstream repo from virtualbox.org which is *NOT* Debian. |
| 16:20.49 | benlue_ | http://paste.debian.net/978108/ |
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| 16:21.24 | jmcnaught | pierrot: when we ask "did this package come from Debian" we mean actually from the Debian project, not some other source that you added |
| 16:21.25 | jrmu | the open firmware looks like it has been tested before and was found to be working, so I think the situation is salvageable. I'm just confused as to why debian didn't include pre-built packages for apt |
| 16:21.26 | jrmu | ie, why does the user have to compile the firmware from scratch when the firmware could have been compiled and bundled with the OS at install time? |
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| 16:21.46 | pierrot | jmcnaught: Ok |
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| 16:26.19 | benlue_ | if i try install via Synaptic i get the msg: Could not apply changes! Fix broken packages first. |
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| 16:26.57 | jhutchins_wk | benlue_: That's often done by aptitude -f install. |
| 16:27.00 | BluesKaj | like I said full kde-upgrade is not a good idea |
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| 16:30.19 | tubaman | the debian install on the jessie live image doesn't give me the option to select software. It looks like it installs the XFCE desktop by default(it's the XFCE live image). Is that the expected behavior? |
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| 16:30.52 | benlue_ | jhutchins_wk: only bsd-mailx was fixed :/ |
| 16:30.52 | tubaman | debian install -> debian installer |
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| 16:31.19 | petn-randall | tubaman: We recommend using the netinstaller for installation, since the live system gets a lot less testing. |
| 16:31.28 | petn-randall | tubaman: (that's a different ISO) |
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| 16:31.46 | tubaman | yup, trying the netinst image now |
| 16:31.53 | tubaman | thanks petn-randall |
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| 16:32.00 | greycat | A live system with one specific DE on it may indeed assume that you want to install that DE. And it's a jessie live image, not current, and the jessie live images were known to be un-installable on UEFI. |
| 16:32.30 | tubaman | greycat: that's what it looks like to me |
| 16:32.52 | jhutchins_wk | benlue_: Ok, now install synaptic. |
| 16:33.06 | benlue_ | synaptic is installed |
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| 16:34.30 | benlue_ | cant install kde/gnome! I get always the msg: The following packages have unmet dependencies: kde-full/gnome |
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| 16:34.55 | benlue_ | Depends ... Depends |
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| 16:35.16 | benlue_ | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
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| 16:35.56 | greycat | Nobody can possibly interpret these scattered partial errors. |
| 16:36.04 | greycat | What did you DO? |
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| 16:36.47 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 16:36.47 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 16:37.04 | petn-randall | benlue_: Please provide *all* of the info above to help us help you. ^^^ |
| 16:37.50 | benlue_ | petn-randall: already posted |
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| 16:38.08 | petn-randall | benlue_: I don't see a paste. |
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| 16:38.40 | benlue_ | petn-randall: [18:20] <benlue_> http://paste.debian.net/978108/ |
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| 16:39.04 | greycat | That is not all the info requested. |
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| 16:40.59 | jmcnaught | benlue_ did provide all of <bat> above. http://paste.debian.net/978098/ http://paste.debian.net/978099/ http://paste.debian.net/978108/ are some of them |
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| 16:41.33 | jmcnaught | benlue_: could you please also make a paste of "dpkg -l | grep -v ^.i"? |
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| 16:42.23 | petn-randall | Oh, it's all scattered in the backlogs. :/ |
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| 16:43.18 | benlue_ | jmcnaught: sure, http://paste.debian.net/978111/ |
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| 16:51.16 | benlue_ | there is no broken packages |
| 16:51.29 | jmcnaught | benlue_: this package is not installed completely: ic lsb-core 4.1+Debian13+nmu1 amd64 Linux Standard Base 4.1 core support package |
| 16:51.45 | jmcnaught | it should be 'ii' not 'ic' |
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| 16:52.36 | greycat | lsb-core is only in wheezy and jessie according to judd. And earlier, he posted something that I thought was stretch. But I can't remember what it was. |
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| 16:53.30 | greycat | Which leads me back to my initial guess, mixed releases. |
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| 16:54.45 | benlue_ | jmcnaught: i have install lsb-core |
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| 16:55.07 | jmcnaught | benlue_: why? what does "apt-cache policy lsb-core" say? |
| 16:55.46 | benlue_ | [18:51] <jmcnaught> benlue_: this package is not installed completely: ic lsb-core 4.1+Debian13+nmu1 amd64 Linux Standard Base 4.1 core support package |
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| 16:56.05 | greycat | http://paste.debian.net/978098/ includes "http://pkg.jenkins.io/debian-stable" and "http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/non-free" and "https://deb.nodesource.com/node_7.x jessie" and ... |
| 16:56.19 | jmcnaught | benlue_: i was discussing the state of the package on your system, not asking you to install it |
| 16:56.22 | greycat | He's got mixed releases AND third party repos. |
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| 16:57.41 | benlue_ | jmcnaught: LC_ALL=C sudo |
| 16:57.50 | benlue_ | http://paste.debian.net/978113/ |
| 16:58.17 | sbl | Hi, I have homer server at debian and I need to run it without monitor but I need x-server for process. |
| 16:58.37 | sbl | I'm looking for way to run x-server without monitor plugged. Headless. |
| 16:58.40 | jmcnaught | benlue_: with that package removed can you install other packages now? |
| 16:58.49 | greycat | sbl: look into xvfb |
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| 16:59.19 | benlue_ | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. http://paste.debian.net/978114/ |
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| 17:00.04 | sbl | greycat: I need remove x-server for install xvfb? |
| 17:00.06 | jmcnaught | benlue_: does "dpkg -l | grep lsb-base" say the package is still 'ic'? Did you try to remove the package? |
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| 17:00.38 | benlue_ | jmcnaught: ii |
| 17:00.44 | jmcnaught | sbl: maybe also try xpra |
| 17:00.53 | greycat | sbl: I can't see why you would have to remove anything |
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| 17:01.13 | jmcnaught | benlue_: as greycat noted above lsb-base is not in stretch, it should not be installed |
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| 17:02.12 | jmcnaught | benlue_: if "apt-get remove lsb-base" does not work, then use "dpkg --remove lsb-base" |
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| 17:03.17 | teraflops | benlue_: I wonder why do you have node repos for jessie if youre running stretch |
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| 17:05.44 | soulspire | Hello :) Still working on my bluetooth issue not loading at boot: rtl_bt/rtl8821a_config.bin Installed non-free drivers and still getting an error |
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| 17:07.05 | sbl | greycat: I just installed xvfb, probably works but I can't use nvidia-smi command because can't connect to x-server. |
| 17:07.18 | jmcnaught | soulspire: please put "dmesg | grep -i firmware" on http://paste.debian.net/ the complete output, do not edit |
| 17:07.40 | greycat | I don't have any idea what nvidia-smi is or why you would need it on a headless machine. |
| 17:07.53 | Jimr1603 | Hi. I upgraded from Jessie to stretch and now on boot I don't get the login screen, just a terminal. Any chance of some help? |
| 17:08.08 | sbl | greycat: I need this for overclocking my GPU. nvidia-settings -c :0 -a '[gpu:0]/GPUMemoryTransferRateOffset[3]=1300' |
| 17:08.19 | merimel | it's monitoring tools for nvidia cards |
| 17:08.31 | sbl | sorry, I mean nvidia-settings, no nvidia-smi |
| 17:08.34 | benlue_ | jmcnaught: apt-get remove lsb-base will remove all my packages o.O |
| 17:08.49 | jmcnaught | Jimr1603: log into the terminal as root and run "systemctl status display-manager" |
| 17:08.51 | greycat | benlue_: still sounding like mixed releases to me |
| 17:08.55 | merimel | nvidia-settings also has CMD interface |
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| 17:09.17 | sbl | merimel: Yep, I'm using CMD interface but it doesn't work when X server isn'r running. |
| 17:09.20 | jmcnaught | benlue_: in a paste or it didn't happen. also did you remove repos from your sources.list earlier while trying to fix this before asking about it here? |
| 17:09.24 | benlue_ | http://paste.debian.net/978116/ |
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| 17:10.01 | Jimr1603 | It claims to be active |
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| 17:10.22 | soulspire | http://paste.debian.net/978117/ |
| 17:10.34 | jmcnaught | Jimr1603: is the computer connected to the Internet? |
| 17:10.46 | Jimr1603 | Yes. But terminal only |
| 17:11.31 | benlue_ | i need only remove lsb-base |
| 17:11.33 | Jimr1603 | I'm not a total noob at terminal, but I don't know how to get that message to you |
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| 17:12.18 | jmcnaught | soulspire: on lines 3 and 4 it fails to load the first firmware that it finds, then on line 5 it successfully loads: firmware: direct-loading firmware rtl_bt/rtl8821a_fw.bin |
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| 17:12.48 | sangy | Jimr1603: are you able to log-in? (does it ask you for username and password? ) |
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| 17:13.03 | Jimr1603 | Yes, but terminal |
| 17:13.04 | jmcnaught | Jimr1603: you can install pastebinit, or use termbin like this: "systemctl status display-manager | nc termbin.com 9999" |
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| 17:13.38 | soulspire | jmcnaught, yes, I can add my headphones fine but it will not connect. |
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| 17:15.06 | fukewe_jukka | how is ntp being handled in debian 9? |
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| 17:15.21 | Jimr1603 | Termbin.com/wh6i |
| 17:15.24 | soulspire | jmcnaught, Connection Failed: blueman.bluez.errors.DBusFailedError: Protocol not available |
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| 17:15.50 | jmcnaught | soulspire: where does that message show? are there other messages? |
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| 17:16.42 | soulspire | jmcnaught, no other messages, I am using bluetooth device loaded from the applet. Headset is showing up fine, just wont hold connection. |
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| 17:17.36 | jmcnaught | soulspire: and that message comes up in a dialog box? Did you look in bluez documentation for what that error means? |
| 17:17.37 | sangy | jmcnaught: it seems that gdm3 is borked on Jimr1603's computer? |
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| 17:18.28 | benlue_ | jmcnaught: i need remove "http://pkg.jenkins.io/debian-stable" and "http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/non-free" and "https://deb.nodesource.com/node_7.x jessie" ? |
| 17:18.33 | jmcnaught | something is borked |
| 17:18.49 | jmcnaught | benlue_: don't remove security.debian.org |
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| 17:19.26 | soulspire | jmcnaught, I will try and find info on that error... ty |
| 17:19.31 | jmcnaught | Jimr1603: look for more details in "journalctl -u gdm" |
| 17:19.31 | teraflops | soulspire: why are you using blueman? which DE is this? do you have pulseaudio-module-bluetooth installed? |
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| 17:20.14 | soulspire | teraflops, new to bluetooth |
| 17:20.34 | teraflops | soulspire: also what's the journalctl output? and systemctl status of bluetooth? |
| 17:20.36 | sangy | there is nothing wrong with using blueman iirc, teraflops |
| 17:20.48 | sangy | it's similar to how nm-applet would work in any de |
| 17:20.49 | soulspire | teraflops, have not installed that, will do now |
| 17:20.52 | Jimr1603 | Termbin.com q0kj |
| 17:21.03 | benlue_ | jmcnaught: ok removed but it will remove again all my packages |
| 17:21.12 | teraflops | soulspire: that's the answer to my question? :S |
| 17:21.26 | Jimr1603 | I may backup and stay from scratch as I end up doing most upgrades |
| 17:21.37 | han-solo | systemctl comes packed, no? |
| 17:21.37 | soulspire | teraflops, seem this is familiar, I will reboot |
| 17:21.42 | teraflops | sangy: I did not say it was wrong? |
| 17:21.55 | teraflops | oopps without the ? |
| 17:21.59 | sangy | teraflops: soz, I assumed |
| 17:22.01 | jmcnaught | Jimr1603: were you using proprietary GPU drivers in jessie? |
| 17:22.01 | benlue_ | complete system, thats not normal |
| 17:22.09 | Jimr1603 | I was |
| 17:22.14 | Jimr1603 | Aha |
| 17:22.27 | Jimr1603 | Nvidia |
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| 17:22.45 | teraflops | plain bluetoothctl at least for testing purposses looks saner |
| 17:22.46 | jmcnaught | benlue_: removed it how? were there other repos in sources.list earlier? |
| 17:22.47 | sangy | Jimr1603: that feels like the xserver is blowing up. You may want to dpkg-reconfigure the nvidia package |
| 17:23.06 | jmcnaught | Jimr1603: did you install nvidia using the installer from their website? |
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| 17:23.46 | Jimr1603 | I don't recall how I installed the nvidia drivers |
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| 17:24.03 | benlue_ | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/978119/ i will loose all my data? |
| 17:24.45 | benlue_ | i need only install gnome or kde |
| 17:26.00 | jmcnaught | benlue_: don't answer yes. show us "apt-cache policy â¦" for a few of the packages that it wants to remove. Maybe you only partially upgraded from jessie? Were you following the upgrade instructions in the release notes? |
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| 17:26.39 | benlue_ | jmcnaught: i was upgrading from testing to stable |
| 17:26.45 | benlue_ | for a while |
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| 17:28.05 | soulspire | Thank you teraflops and jmcnaught adding the pulseaudio-module-bluetooth solved the issue for me and headset connects fine now. |
| 17:28.19 | teraflops | soulspire: great |
| 17:28.36 | jmcnaught | benlue_: upgrading from testing to stable?¿ |
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| 17:28.59 | jmcnaught | soulspire: nice! |
| 17:29.42 | benlue_ | Maybe you only partially upgraded from jessie? Were you following the upgrade instructions in the release notes? |
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| 17:30.26 | benlue_ | there is a bunch of files for "apt-cache policy â¦" |
| 17:30.36 | jmcnaught | benlue_: can you explain "i was upgrading from testing to stable for a while" in more detail? |
| 17:31.08 | jmcnaught | benlue_: i didn't mean ⦠literally, i mean use the apt-cache policy command you have been using today for some of the packages in the list of stuff that apt-get wants to remove |
| 17:31.41 | jhutchins_wk | benlue_: You can't "upgrade" from testing to stable. Testing is the newer version. |
| 17:31.51 | jhutchins_wk | !partial downgrade |
| 17:31.51 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
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| 17:32.03 | benlue_ | jmcnaught: i have installed debian testing (Stretch). After the Release i have upgrade with apt dist-upgrade |
| 17:32.30 | jhutchins_wk | benlue_: So it's all stretch then? |
| 17:32.37 | benlue_ | yes |
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| 17:33.19 | jhutchins_wk | benlue_: I think at this point you're looking at a fresh install. |
| 17:33.22 | jmcnaught | except lsb-base from jessie is still installed, and if you try to remove it it wants to remove a bunch of other packages, so i was trying to coax the "apt-cache policy ..." of some of those packages |
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| 17:35.56 | jmcnaught | benlue_: I think more happened than "installed stretch while it was in testing" and you mixed jessie and stretch. If you did stuff like that 1. please be more forthcoming about that kind of stuff, especially when we start mentioning mixing distros 2. Reinstall 3. Look at https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian for some tips for the future |
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| 17:38.59 | Jimr1603 | That's a really good page of the wiki |
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| 17:41.48 | jmcnaught | Jimr1603: for you i suggest looking at the https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers page and checking to see if the packages it mentions (the ones starting with nvidia-) are installed on your system, and what version they are. Also I would look for Xorg.0.log which used to be in /var/log/ but gdm3 on stretch is either using wayland or could be putting that log somewhere else (i haven't checked) |
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| 17:43.29 | daniel2 | Hello everyone! I am trying to backport a package on wheezy, and getting the error: dh_installdeb: unknown dpkg-maintscript-helper command: dir_to_symlink |
| 17:44.02 | daniel2 | I've checked that all dpkg packages are updated. |
| 17:44.36 | Jimr1603_ | I installed the free drivers and it worked! |
| 17:44.42 | Jimr1603_ | Thank you so much |
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| 17:48.56 | ee1 | Hi. I just plugged in a bluetooth adapter to my pc, but how do I use it in debian? What package do I need to install? |
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| 17:49.13 | Bundestrojaner | good evening. My Computer (Kubuntu 16 LTS) keeps freezing. |
| 17:49.13 | Bundestrojaner | In syslog, i've found strange lines about my nvidia card: "Pinguin kernel: [ 9365.468112] NVRM: Xid (PCI:0000:01:00): 79, GPU has fallen off the bus" - the system time is close to the freezing time. |
| 17:49.13 | Bundestrojaner | What can i do now? |
| 17:50.09 | daniel2 | Looks like wheezy can't upgrade high enough to support that command. |
| 17:50.55 | greycat | Bundestrojaner: go ask #kubuntu |
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| 17:51.53 | greycat | daniel2: Yeah, that backport is not going to work with wheezy's dpkg. It's a brick wall. |
| 17:52.13 | daniel2 | greycat: I found your conversation about this online :P |
| 17:52.28 | daniel2 | Just never saw if you found a solution |
| 17:52.34 | EF346 | i am trying to enable autologin on debian 9 with lightdm as login manager. my lightdm.conf has the values set to autologin-user=myusername and autologin-user-timeout=0 and I did dpkg-reconfigure lightdm. yet i am prompted with the login window as before. what am i missing? |
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| 17:55.15 | jimr1603 | Working. So happy. Might have to reconfigure kde/plasma or try MATE instead |
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| 17:56.34 | jubalh | hi |
| 17:56.48 | jubalh | quick question about https://qa.debian.org/developer.php |
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| 17:57.15 | jubalh | when i click on 'contributions' there i get to contributors.debian.org/contributor/email which a page not found |
| 17:57.22 | Bundestrojaner | greycat: i'm asking here because all my other systems run debian, i don't think i would get an answer in #kubuntu at all and i only want to find out if it is a hw or sw-problem - if sw, i will simply install debian here too |
| 17:57.34 | jubalh | does the user have to fill this out? or what way is there to see the contributions ofa person? |
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| 17:58.26 | greycat | Bundestrojaner: Hello Chevrolet dealer, my Ford is broken, but I came here because all my other cars (that aren't broken) are Chevrolets. |
| 17:59.04 | towo` | and XID errors on nvidia hardware are well known if one is using google |
| 17:59.26 | towo` | so one would find https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/board/98/linux/ |
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| 18:04.46 | Bundestrojaner | towo`: thx |
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| 18:05.57 | SuperTramp83 | ee1, https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
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| 18:07.37 | jubalh | the url is https://contributors.debian.org/contributor/jubalh%40openmailbox.org/ so i wonder why its a page not found |
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| 18:07.53 | jubalh | since https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?email=jubalh@openmailbox.org links there |
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| 18:09.54 | sangy | Jimr1603_: nice! glad to hear :) |
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| 18:45.09 | hurdos | Hello |
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| 18:47.42 | BluesKaj | o/ |
| 18:48.20 | hurdos | I installed deb 9 and cannot find rc.local |
| 18:48.37 | hurdos | How to add custom autostart in deb9? |
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| 18:49.12 | BluesKaj | hurdos, look in ~/.config |
| 18:49.47 | nkuttler | !tell hurdos about rc.local |
| 18:50.51 | hurdos | I want to autostart sshfs mount, maybe there is correct way to do that? |
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| 18:53.18 | `Kevin | hurdos: a quick read suggests fstab supports this |
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| 18:54.44 | TheSin | is this a good place to discuss multistrap? |
| 18:57.58 | jhutchins_wk | That factoid is not current for systemd. |
| 18:58.18 | jhutchins_wk | It'll work, but there should be a systemd script instead. |
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| 18:59.38 | greycat | But /etc/rc.local is still supported and works under systemd. You can even examine the Debian unit file for it, /lib/systemd/system/rc-local.service.d/debian.conf |
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| 19:00.59 | greycat | (Which alters some of the settings in the standard systemd unit file, in the directory right above that.) |
| 19:01.34 | greycat | Writing your own individual systemd unit files for your boot services is the best long term solution, but for immediate needs, rc.local is simple and quick. |
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| 19:02.02 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, a little more research shows that /etc/rc.local is what systemd uses. |
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| 19:05.46 | ee1 | Trying to download spotify threw the spotify rep (https://www.spotify.com/no/download/linux/) but I get the following error: https://paste.debian.net/978124/ |
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| 19:06.00 | ee1 | I don't understand at all what this means, help? |
| 19:06.02 | jhutchins_wk | hurdos: I think you can put an sshfs mount in fstab. |
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| 19:07.07 | jhutchins_wk | ee1: Looks like you might be installing Ubuntu packages on Debian. |
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| 19:07.32 | hurdos | jhutchins_wk: I did that, but it mount by simple user and there is complicate to use root. Simple workaround was rc.local |
| 19:08.46 | jhutchins_wk | hurdos: Cool. |
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| 19:09.07 | jhutchins_wk | ee1: I see that that procedure is intended for Debian as well, but they've done something incompatible. |
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| 19:09.25 | ee1 | jhutchins_wk: Think it's the same for debian? Never had any problems with debian jessie, but now I'm on stretch. |
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| 19:10.19 | forcerecon | jhutchins_wk: I know i can google this but you are right here.. if you may.. How do I make a mapping to a server persistent so that on boot it logs in once the network becomes available? |
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| 19:12.46 | pie3 | anyone working for any python/C/coding project? i want to learn language while working on coding prjoect; Learn on fly/Live leaerning |
| 19:13.23 | iodev | Hahaha |
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| 19:14.16 | forcerecon | pie3: take a class on udemy or plurasight or you can easily find free stuff that will tutor you online. It is your best option... |
| 19:14.25 | greycat | Amazing how python and C are both mentioned together like that, as if they were sibling languages or something. |
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| 19:16.26 | pie3 | greycat: those are names i know i might have added ruby/perl/lisp |
| 19:16.56 | greycat | This just makes it even more laughable. |
| 19:17.38 | forcerecon | can we assume that when people put C++ and java together along with eclipse that they are creating self coded keyloggers? :) I agree with you greycat, its amazing the longer you are here the more you can read between the lines of intent |
| 19:18.59 | jhutchins_wk | forcerecon: drive mapping? ssh connection? Not sure what you need. |
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| 19:19.32 | greycat | "I would like to apply for a job as a UN translator, but I don't know any languages except English. But I'm willing to learn on the job! Maybe French/Swahili. Or Mandarin, Punjab, or Arabic." |
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| 19:23.35 | BluesKaj | greycat, better have some decent connections at the UN :-) |
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| 19:24.26 | forcerecon | I suggest you download those easily downloaded (wink wink) rosetta stone dvds.. I have been looking for mandarin awhile.. ;) keep an eye out .. I know you are just kidding |
| 19:24.37 | greycat | Serious answer: pick the *one* language you actually want to learn, find their IRC channel, read their /topic, and follow whatever advice that /topic contains. Do not go into the channel until you can at least write "hello world" in that language. |
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| 19:25.27 | forcerecon | jhutchins_wk: actually both.. at this point when I reboot I am going to drive, connect to server, ssh and putting in information manually each time |
| 19:25.41 | forcerecon | maybe it is a good security tactic that I have to re map each time, but I think on this home machine it would be nice to auto map |
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| 19:30.31 | forcerecon | woo when was the last time anyone did an idle scan for Zombies.. can that even be done any more |
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| 19:32.41 | greycat | ... what you DO NOT do is go into #bash and ask for a python/C/linux coding project. That is beyond idiotic. |
| 19:33.18 | greycat | wonders how many other channels this fucking idiot spammed |
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| 20:03.49 | blargh | does anyone know which package the android usb drivers are in? |
| 20:03.56 | blargh | or do I have to install them manually? |
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| 20:09.12 | van | hi.Guys The Debian Stretch(9) supports Secure boot or not? |
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| 20:12.51 | jelly | van, no, it may get support at some later time but not yet |
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| 20:14.37 | van | jelly: thx for your answer! |
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| 21:15.30 | Specialist | let's say I have an ssd that I duplicate using dd. how can I TRIM the unused sectors on the target (that still have been written to by dd)? |
| 21:15.32 | Specialist | fstrim won't be aware of these, right? |
| 21:16.11 | Nik05 | Specialist ftrim looks at the filesystem, right? So why wouldnt it work? |
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| 21:16.56 | Specialist | so, fstrim will trim all unallocated blocks as indicated by the fs? |
| 21:17.54 | Specialist | (my assumption was that it keeps some kind of extra state about what has been trimmed already in order to avoid issuing trim for a block multiple times during consecutive runs) |
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| 21:19.16 | bub_ | I've used gparted and truncate for that |
| 21:19.49 | bub_ | https://softwarebakery.com/shrinking-images-on-linux |
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| 21:24.58 | Bipul | Hello, I would like to know? to reset my virtualbox OS via command line every time. And also it get booted from http or PXE? |
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| 21:36.05 | docmur | I ran an apt-get dist-upgrade and it's failing, is there a way to roll it back so next time I run apt-get it won't try to upgrade? I'm on 7.8 |
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| 21:36.53 | Nik05 | Specialist sorry don't know about ftrim a lot... |
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| 21:37.40 | tyoiexd | Hello, I'm running a tty only system with no GUI and I'm wondering is there an updated way to change font and color of text before login? (so that even the login prompt and messages displayed during boot are affected) |
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| 21:42.49 | loptr | hello |
| 21:43.37 | guest2338 | Specialist: (just got back) Did you have a ? about ftrim? |
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| 21:49.18 | centurion18 | hi |
| 21:49.57 | centurion18 | i need help, i dist upgraded from jessie to stretch and now i dant have networking |
| 21:50.04 | centurion18 | ifconfig only sees lo |
| 21:50.14 | centurion18 | what can i do? |
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| 21:51.48 | Specialist | guest2338: yep. I was wondering whether fstrim will unconditionally trim all blocks of a filesystem that are unallocated |
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| 21:52.13 | Specialist | so that I could clone an ssd using dd and afterwards trim the empty space |
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| 21:52.45 | centurion18 | anyone¿? |
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| 21:53.21 | centurion18 | Realtek Semiconductor RTL8111 |
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| 21:54.21 | centurion18 | i cannot even find the network manager applet in KDE |
| 21:54.36 | guest2338 | Specialist: I think so, but read the Arch wiki "SSD" page. It should give you the 411 or steer you to it. |
| 21:54.41 | centurion18 | USB tether with the phone is not working either |
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| 21:57.32 | guest2338 | Specialist: Start here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives . |
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| 22:00.13 | guest2338 | Specialist: # blkdiscard /dev/sdX . WARNING: read everything before doing anything! This will overwrite your whole ssd. |
| 22:00.29 | tyoiexd | any ideas about changing font/color for text only system before boot?\ |
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| 22:03.16 | fire_xyz_com | hi guys, is there a way to play sounds via micro ? E.g from firefox IVONA to discord channel |
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| 22:08.37 | jelly | centurion18, if /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules does not exist on your system, your network interface names will change in stretch |
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| 22:09.05 | jelly | centurion18, pastebin the output of "ip l" |
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| 22:10.07 | jelly | centurion18, and look for device renamal in dmesg (something like dmesg|grep -A10 -B10 eth) |
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| 22:11.40 | guest2338 | Specialist: You're welcome. |
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| 22:15.35 | Specialist | guest2338: thx! |
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| 22:16.26 | guest2338 | Specialist: :) |
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| 22:19.25 | jrmu | is there a prebuilt binary for ath9k_htc firmware in debian? I'm compiling it at the moment as suggested in https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc/open_firmware but I find it odd that there is no dpkg available |
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| 22:27.13 | Brigo_ | jrmu, there is a firmware-atheros package in non-free. Maybe it has the firmware. |
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| 22:29.27 | jrmu | Brigo_: thanks. You might be right. I'm trying to avoid proprietary firmware for now, so I'll test out compiling first |
| 22:29.47 | jrmu | Brigo_: I'm just surprised why debian doesn't provide a dpkg for the open firmware. I would have thought they would included the firmware by default with the OS, given that there are no licensing issues |
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| 22:31.04 | Brigo_ | jrmu, i think it does |
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| 22:31.29 | jrmu | to clarify: why they wouldn't separate the open firmware from the propretiary parts |
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| 22:33.31 | jrmu | Brigo: Do you mean to say, debian separates the proprietary firmware binaries from the open firmware binaries for firmware-atheros? |
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| 22:34.19 | Brigo | jrmu, not really sure, but there is a firmware-linux-free package, for example |
| 22:34.49 | jrmu | https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc/ This page says that I need to add proprietary repos to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:35.10 | Brigo | jrmu, as i said, i am not sure. |
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| 22:37.51 | gert_ | is there anyway I can tell debian to use intel drivers/rendering while I have my graphics card plugged in? |
| 22:37.56 | jrmu | Brigo Thanks anyway (although I think you are offline now) |
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| 22:38.11 | guest2338 | How can I autohide the top menubar in eye-of-gnome, using cinnamon DE? Adding extra plugins doesn't seem to work. |
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| 22:44.51 | centurion18 | is there any other session manager than SDDM for KDE? this is simply ugly |
| 22:45.09 | centurion18 | for debian stretch |
| 22:45.34 | centurion18 | where is KDM? |
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| 22:47.10 | centurion18 | is there at least a better theme for it? |
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| 22:50.33 | phogg | centurion18: looks like it uses qml, so theming should be a thing |
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| 23:16.26 | galex-713 | Hi |
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| 23:17.00 | galex-713 | What is the command that when you run it you have a white window that opens and everything you type everywhere get the xevent scanned and printed on terminal? |
| 23:17.24 | sonOfRa | xev |
| 23:17.45 | galex-713 | oh yeaaah |
| 23:18.05 | galex-713 | juste found it alone, by verbalizing the âxeventâ that was on the end of my tongue >< |
| 23:18.31 | galex-713 | argh, hate when vocal memory do that and that cmd you need stays at the end of the tongue |
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| 23:44.15 | wjtaylor | I think ipv6 is causing me issues. Even with IP turned off in the network manager, I still get an address. Is there a way to disable it? |
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| 23:45.43 | __marioxcc | Hello. |
| 23:46.15 | __marioxcc | I intend to install Debian using the "hd-media" method. I rebooted, while having the CD ISO in a LVM LV that I intend to preserve during installation. |
| 23:46.22 | __marioxcc | However, the installer can't find it. Why? |
| 23:46.35 | __marioxcc | Are the "hd-media" not LVM-capable? |
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