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| 00:41.15 | newsoft | hello, i have a proxy configured from 80:5123, when accessing page i get AH00940: HTTP: disabled connection |
| 00:41.23 | newsoft | Can someome help me on that |
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| 00:41.31 | newsoft | [proxy:error] [pid 23927:tid 140293121255168] AH00940: HTTP: disabled connection for (127.0.0.1) |
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| 00:48.01 | n-iCe | Hello im installing Debian but got unable to install grub in dummy grub-install dummy failed |
| 00:48.03 | n-iCe | Any idea? |
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| 00:49.45 | n-iCe | Again fatal error |
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| 00:52.19 | jmcnaught | n-iCe: do you know which installer image this is? and did you copy it to USB with a program like rufus or unetbootin? |
| 00:52.31 | netcrash | Hello, how do I resize a linux partition to the new size when I extended the size of the vm disk? |
| 00:53.14 | n-iCe | Jmcnaught the firmware nrtinstall iso and used cat to copy it |
| 00:54.16 | jmcnaught | n-iCe: which Debian release? you made sure to copy to the device not a partition? /dev/sdh not /dev/sdh1? |
| 00:54.36 | n-iCe | Sdb i did the copy have done this a lot of times, and 9.1 |
| 00:55.20 | jmcnaught | n-iCe: are there more details on tty4? |
| 00:55.33 | n-iCe | I rebooted |
| 00:55.41 | n-iCe | I think is a efi issue related |
| 00:56.28 | jmcnaught | was it trying to install grub-pc or grub-efi-amd64? |
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| 00:57.23 | jmcnaught | n-iCe: debian installer images can be booted into a rescue mode, which has a tool for reinstalling grub and/or getting a shell on the target |
| 00:58.50 | n-iCe | I'm doing a again |
| 00:58.51 | n-iCe | All |
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| 00:59.42 | jmcnaught | n-iCe: you didn't really need to since grub is the final part of the installation. If it fails again this time, check tty4 before you reboot |
| 01:00.18 | n-iCe | Well bios asked me the first timr to boot efi usb or hard drive usb |
| 01:00.29 | n-iCe | This time i selected hard drive usb |
| 01:00.40 | n-iCe | Lets see if that is the thing |
| 01:01.18 | n-iCe | Thank you |
| 01:01.36 | jmcnaught | the installer installs the grub package for the method it was booted for, so if you want EFI booting then you need to boot it by EFI |
| 01:02.17 | n-iCe | But did not work |
| 01:02.25 | n-iCe | Never happened this before with other distros |
| 01:02.27 | n-iCe | Is weird |
| 01:02.33 | n-iCe | First time using a efi laptop though |
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| 01:35.30 | n-iCe | (jmcnaught) guess what |
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| 01:39.37 | jmcnaught | n-iCe: ? |
| 01:39.46 | n-iCe | Worked now :) |
| 01:40.25 | jmcnaught | n-iCe: that's good. but you didn't get EFI booting? |
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| 01:40.36 | n-iCe | No idea |
| 01:40.40 | n-iCe | But booted |
| 01:40.43 | n-iCe | Does it matter? |
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| 01:42.33 | jmcnaught | not if the advantages of EFI don't matter to you. it's not really something most people interact with very often |
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| 01:57.39 | n-iCe | jmcnaught: done |
| 01:57.42 | n-iCe | I'm on Debian :) |
| 01:57.52 | n-iCe | Can't find a way to enable my touch pad, to click though |
| 01:57.53 | n-iCe | Any idea= |
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| 01:59.49 | jmcnaught | n-iCe: you can move the pointer with the touch pad, but tap to click doesn't work? Which desktop environment did you install? |
| 02:00.24 | n-iCe | jmcnaught: exactly! lxde |
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| 02:01.28 | abrotman | n-iCe: this is usually in the wiki |
| 02:01.41 | n-iCe | abrotman: could not find it |
| 02:01.45 | n-iCe | all say this, cp /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf |
| 02:01.49 | n-iCe | but I don't have those files |
| 02:01.50 | n-iCe | to edit |
| 02:02.22 | abrotman | !touchpad |
| 02:02.22 | dpkg | As of stretch, the synaptics driver isn't used by GNOME. If your touchpad stopped working in stretch, try installing xserver-xorg-input-libinput and removing xserver-xorg-input-synaptics; see https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/07/msg00266.html and https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad |
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| 02:03.18 | n-iCe | xserver-xorg-input-libinput is already installed |
| 02:03.41 | n-iCe | and xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is not installed |
| 02:03.51 | abrotman | I meant the part about the configuration |
| 02:05.12 | n-iCe | you mean, this https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad#Change_to_libinput_Xorg_driver_in_Debian_9_.22Stretch.22 |
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| 02:05.25 | abrotman | no |
| 02:05.29 | n-iCe | then? |
| 02:05.38 | abrotman | the part about system wide config? |
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| 02:06.05 | sumyunseal1 | hey umm never tried this but |
| 02:07.06 | sumyunseal1 | usually if i just cp the partition and change uuids in fstab i can boot into it |
| 02:07.18 | sumyunseal1 | but will this work on a mac |
| 02:07.27 | abrotman | on Linux? or OSX? |
| 02:07.36 | sumyunseal1 | linux |
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| 02:07.57 | sumyunseal1 | this is a debian install partition |
| 02:08.19 | sumyunseal1 | i usualy just cp files to right size partition |
| 02:08.49 | sumyunseal1 | and i can boot into the new ssd |
| 02:09.09 | sumyunseal1 | but can i move that to the mac and boot of it same? |
| 02:09.36 | sumyunseal1 | or does debian install itself mac specific when installed on a mac |
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| 02:11.37 | n-iCe | Shit, did not work. |
| 02:11.56 | n-iCe | Why did they make it so hard, when you were able just clickong, enable click on tap in mouse settings, sighs |
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| 02:15.22 | n-iCe | abrotman: so, the thing is, create the .conf, and paste the example file, right? |
| 02:15.28 | n-iCe | then, log out, log in, should work? |
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| 02:17.37 | n-iCe | dammit |
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| 02:18.28 | jmcnaught | n-iCe: if you are not using GNOME then maybe you do want to use the synaptics driver instead of libinput |
| 02:18.41 | jmcnaught | is that what you're trying to do? |
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| 02:19.51 | n-iCe | dconf-editor |
| 02:19.59 | n-iCe | under org/gnome/settings-daemon/peripherals/touchpad there's a tap-to-click checkbox. |
| 02:20.02 | n-iCe | finally |
| 02:20.32 | n-iCe | nop, did not work either |
| 02:20.32 | n-iCe | lol |
| 02:20.38 | sumyunseal1 | lol |
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| 02:20.45 | sumyunseal1 | ya dconf is dope |
| 02:20.47 | sumyunseal1 | lol |
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| 02:20.58 | sumyunseal1 | debian is the best os ever |
| 02:21.12 | jmcnaught | n-iCe: i thought you were using lxde? |
| 02:21.24 | n-iCe | I am |
| 02:21.25 | sumyunseal1 | now ive been using debian for like 10 yrs |
| 02:21.29 | n-iCe | hehe |
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| 02:21.33 | n-iCe | that's why it did not work |
| 02:21.41 | n-iCe | found it here /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/synaptics.conf |
| 02:21.46 | n-iCe | here * https://superuser.com/questions/598044/mousepad-tap-does-not-work-on-debian-stable-lxde |
| 02:21.51 | n-iCe | but did not work |
| 02:21.53 | n-iCe | let me log out |
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| 02:23.01 | n-iCe | No, did not work. |
| 02:23.06 | n-iCe | I'm even thinking in change the DE |
| 02:23.15 | sumyunseal1 | ya |
| 02:23.26 | sumyunseal1 | u shud gnome |
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| 02:23.30 | n-iCe | really? |
| 02:23.33 | sumyunseal1 | ya |
| 02:23.38 | n-iCe | people keep saying shit about gnome3 |
| 02:23.40 | sumyunseal1 | coz the others ugly |
| 02:23.42 | n-iCe | have not used it for a while |
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| 02:23.54 | sumyunseal1 | gnome got worse too tho |
| 02:24.12 | n-iCe | i just want to make my touch pad click to work!! |
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| 02:24.25 | sumyunseal1 | ya that works |
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| 02:24.28 | n-iCe | haha |
| 02:24.33 | sumyunseal1 | thats a pretty major issue |
| 02:24.43 | n-iCe | is it me? or everybody has this issue |
| 02:24.44 | jmcnaught | n-iCe: did you install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics? |
| 02:24.47 | sumyunseal1 | no |
| 02:25.17 | n-iCe | jmcnaught: I thought it was supposed to be removed |
| 02:25.52 | sumyunseal1 | i dont remember installing extras |
| 02:26.01 | sumyunseal1 | all i did is dconf |
| 02:26.10 | sumyunseal1 | and this is on a mac air too |
| 02:26.13 | sumyunseal1 | lol |
| 02:26.25 | sumyunseal1 | with wheezy |
| 02:26.33 | n-iCe | jmcnaught: ? |
| 02:26.45 | sumyunseal1 | install it |
| 02:26.47 | jmcnaught | n-iCe: libinput is what GNOME uses now. If you're on lxde and libinput isn't working, you could try synaptics. You apparently tried some synclient commands from that superuser.com line |
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| 02:27.04 | jmcnaught | sumyunseal1: do you have a Debian support question? |
| 02:27.10 | n-iCe | jmcnaught: ok, what to do |
| 02:27.13 | n-iCe | guide me |
| 02:27.21 | n-iCe | I Installed the package you told me, now? |
| 02:27.22 | sumyunseal1 | no im helping n-iCe |
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| 02:28.07 | jmcnaught | n-iCe: that package has a README.Debian file |
| 02:28.20 | n-iCe | ... |
| 02:28.32 | sumyunseal1 | lol |
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| 02:28.47 | n-iCe | The synaptic Xorg driver in being superseded by the newer libinput driver, which can provide lower-level access to multi touch events to clients, but is currently lacking some features found in the older driver. |
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| 02:29.02 | n-iCe | You can make the synaptics driver take precedence over libinput by copying /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf into /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d, so as to make it take precendence over the libinput configuration file found at /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/90-libinput.conf. |
| 02:29.09 | n-iCe | but I don't have those damn files |
| 02:29.10 | lkthomas | does sudoers could only limit which binary user could execute? could it limit what option does user being able to execute at all? |
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| 02:29.33 | sumyunseal1 | lkthomas, yes |
| 02:29.44 | n-iCe | and does not seem to be a good idea to remove xserver-xorg-input-libinput |
| 02:29.55 | n-iCe | sumyunseal1: thinking in move to gnome |
| 02:30.01 | sumyunseal1 | lol |
| 02:30.07 | jmcnaught | n-iCe: "ls /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/*synaptics*" |
| 02:30.12 | lkthomas | zabbix ALL= NOPASSWD : /bin/su - user1 -c "/opt/program/abc list" <- this does not work |
| 02:30.26 | lkthomas | zabbix ALL= NOPASSWD : /bin/su <- this work |
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| 02:30.28 | lkthomas | any idea why ? |
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| 02:31.17 | n-iCe | jmcnaught: that /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/70-synaptics.conf |
| 02:31.30 | sumyunseal1 | lkthomas, oh yeah that doesnt look right |
| 02:31.43 | lkthomas | sumyunseal1, what should I change ? |
| 02:32.06 | sumyunseal1 | that might not be supported by sudo |
| 02:32.28 | sumyunseal1 | i think it might be by gksu |
| 02:32.52 | lkthomas | I am not using GUI |
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| 02:33.07 | sumyunseal1 | mabe make a alias? |
| 02:33.13 | lkthomas | you mean command alias ? |
| 02:33.17 | sumyunseal1 | ya |
| 02:33.22 | lkthomas | let me try |
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| 02:34.25 | n-iCe | jmcnaught: and |
| 02:34.39 | sumyunseal1 | n-iCe, r u using cairodock |
| 02:34.43 | n-iCe | no idea |
| 02:34.43 | lkthomas | nope, still fail |
| 02:34.45 | n-iCe | what's that |
| 02:34.49 | sumyunseal1 | omg |
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| 02:34.58 | sumyunseal1 | u need to use gnome with cairo-dock |
| 02:35.01 | sumyunseal1 | its the best thing |
| 02:35.06 | n-iCe | hahaha |
| 02:35.19 | n-iCe | by the way, the gnome iso is not in amd bt-cd anymore |
| 02:35.20 | jmcnaught | n-iCe: a file you should look at and maybe copy to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ if is relevant |
| 02:35.21 | sumyunseal1 | lkthomas, that cant be |
| 02:36.04 | th0r | n-iCe: there used to be a cli program called synclient that I used to tame the touchpad. I know it was in debian 7, don't know about now. |
| 02:36.07 | sumyunseal1 | n-iCe, omg just intall the gnome package and restart |
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| 02:36.42 | n-iCe | sumyunseal1: does not look nasty? |
| 02:36.49 | n-iCe | thought the iso was optimized for debian better |
| 02:36.56 | sumyunseal1 | then log into gnome desktop from the login screen u can have many desktops |
| 02:37.00 | n-iCe | also, I would need to remove all the lxde crap installed |
| 02:37.05 | n-iCe | hate that |
| 02:37.06 | n-iCe | don't you? |
| 02:37.06 | sumyunseal1 | no |
| 02:37.27 | sumyunseal1 | no its all teh same packeges |
| 02:37.35 | sumyunseal1 | u can have em all installed and use em all |
| 02:37.49 | n-iCe | just found thid |
| 02:37.50 | n-iCe | this |
| 02:37.50 | n-iCe | [ 15.196248] [drm:radeon_pci_probe [radeon]] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-amd-graphics. |
| 02:38.08 | n-iCe | that heck? firmware-amd-graphics is already the newest version (20161130-3). |
| 02:38.09 | sumyunseal1 | there is a desktop chooser at the login screen |
| 02:39.00 | n-iCe | do you actually use gnome? |
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| 02:39.04 | sumyunseal1 | yes |
| 02:40.35 | n-iCe | tried something else |
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| 02:40.37 | n-iCe | let me reboot |
| 02:40.37 | n-iCe | brb |
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| 02:44.05 | sumyunseal1 | n-ice be careful not to lose video lol |
| 02:44.20 | sumyunseal1 | also do u have non-free enabled |
| 02:44.25 | sumyunseal1 | in apt |
| 02:44.36 | jmcnaught | they're gone |
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| 02:47.34 | n-iCe | DONE, is working, I'm keeping lxde |
| 02:47.45 | n-iCe | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/337008/activate-tap-to-click-on-touchpad |
| 02:48.00 | n-iCe | that make it work |
| 02:48.01 | n-iCe | thank you guys |
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| 02:52.39 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 03:01.39 | dvs | back again? |
| 03:04.40 | n-iCe | always |
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| 03:08.24 | sumyunseal1 | omg lxde looks like windows lol |
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| 03:12.58 | maxcell_ | im having a weird issue, when i type the words frozen and appears at the same time all together seconds later. It happens randomly with all distros i've tried till now. Someone have a clue? |
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| 03:13.32 | n-iCe | dirty keyboard? |
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| 03:13.45 | maxcell_ | keyboard is ok |
| 03:14.08 | n-iCe | then, no idea |
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| 03:15.21 | pingfloyd | n-iCe: is the i/o spiking? |
| 03:15.30 | pingfloyd | or cpu |
| 03:15.35 | n-iCe | what? |
| 03:15.59 | pingfloyd | it's fairly normal for a system to behave that way when under a heavy load |
| 03:16.11 | maxcell_ | pingfloyd, is like that yeah |
| 03:16.35 | n-iCe | pingfloyd, maxcell_ has the issue, not me |
| 03:16.44 | pingfloyd | maxcell_: have you tried monitoring i/o (with say iotop) and cpu utilization when it happens |
| 03:17.00 | pingfloyd | n-iCe: sorry, was off target |
| 03:17.22 | n-iCe | is ok |
| 03:17.34 | maxcell_ | pingfloyd, hm i didn't, maybe my i5 2500 is getting old, is that possible? |
| 03:17.44 | n-iCe | maxcell_: don't think so |
| 03:17.53 | n-iCe | I have a p3 pc and does not do that |
| 03:17.59 | n-iCe | running slitaz on it |
| 03:18.06 | maxcell_ | thats what i found strange about it |
| 03:18.32 | maxcell_ | when i install Manjaro with gnome/wayland it happens all the time, pretty awful |
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| 03:18.54 | n-iCe | try a lightweight distro |
| 03:18.57 | n-iCe | like slitaz |
| 03:18.59 | n-iCe | see if happens |
| 03:19.33 | maxcell_ | let me tell you this |
| 03:19.45 | maxcell_ | i have "/" and "swap" in SSD |
| 03:19.57 | maxcell_ | but my "/home" is stored in my normal HD |
| 03:20.05 | n-iCe | should not be the other way? |
| 03:20.14 | maxcell_ | the "/" is on a GPT disk with ESP boot |
| 03:20.24 | maxcell_ | the "/home" is on a normal MBR disk |
| 03:21.05 | maxcell_ | so "/" SSD (to boot fast and stuff) "/home" HD-not GPT |
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| 03:21.17 | maxcell_ | using a "/home" in no GPT disk cause any conflict? |
| 03:21.43 | n-iCe | why don't you just try Debian to make a default installation in your ssd, and check for 10 minutes if that occurs |
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| 03:25.25 | gabrielc | maxcell. run top and see "waiting for io%" |
| 03:25.34 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, ok |
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| 03:26.14 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, where is this "waiting for io"? |
| 03:26.19 | maxcell_ | :~ |
| 03:27.28 | pingfloyd | it's wa: |
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| 03:28.34 | pingfloyd | the other thing to notice is your load averages |
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| 03:31.28 | maxcell_ | oh right |
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| 03:32.13 | maxcell_ | in general, you dont think my setup is causing the problem? having a "/home" mounted in a non-GPT disk with everything else "/" in a GPT disk and EFI boot? |
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| 03:35.06 | gabrielc | maxcell_: run "dmesg | less" and search for errors |
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| 03:35.21 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, ok |
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| 03:43.29 | maxcell_ | [ 0.171982] system 00:06: [mem 0xfed90000-0xfed93fff] could not be reserved |
| 03:43.39 | maxcell_ | [ 0.171774] system 00:04: [io 0x0290-0x029f] has been reserved |
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| 03:44.32 | maxcell_ | why that part of the memory couldn't be reserved, its normal? do you think that my RAM memory can be the issue? |
| 03:45.09 | maxcell_ | is it possible? the memory lagging the keyboard imput randomly? |
| 03:46.04 | gabrielc | maxcell_: dmesg | egrep -i 'error|warning' |
| 03:46.29 | maxcell_ | no errors |
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| 03:46.47 | maxcell_ | no i lied |
| 03:47.00 | maxcell_ | wait |
| 03:47.24 | maxcell_ | there is a lot of errors. |
| 03:48.02 | maxcell_ | including segmentation fault in libgtk and nautilus |
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| 03:49.47 | gabrielc | maxcell_: run "dmesg -c". clears dmesg buffer. replicate the problem and then run dmesg |
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| 03:51.12 | maxcell_ | brb |
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| 03:52.56 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, here is what i did |
| 03:54.10 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, logout-login, open hardware-monitor. When CPU get stable i open the terminal and type. It frozen and i run dmesg. Get nothing but this: "snd_hda_codec_hdmi hdaudioC1D0: HDMI: invalid ELD data byte 7" |
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| 03:56.24 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, wow, it frozen now on IRC |
| 03:57.28 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, i have multimedia buttons on my keyboard as well. When i press volume up/down the Gnome has a huuuuge delay to responde the command and when i type after that it frozen the imput for some seconds too. |
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| 03:58.24 | maxcell_ | yeah i can replicate the problem wherever i want now, all i need to do is press volume up/down and type after that. |
| 03:58.32 | maxcell_ | whenever* |
| 03:59.00 | gabrielc | maxcell_: can you rin gnome without sound? or disable the sound card at bios? to test |
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| 03:59.40 | maxcell_ | how can i disable this on linux? i dont think i can disable the sound card on my bios |
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| 04:01.22 | maxcell_ | and if i disable the sound, how can i press volume up/down to replicate the problem? |
| 04:01.22 | maxcell_ | the gnome will still respond without a sound card? |
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| 04:01.46 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, dropped here, sorry |
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| 04:04.04 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, u know the volume buttom that shows when you press volume up/down on the middle of the screen? This volume frozen for quiet a while before unfrozen. Everytime. |
| 04:04.51 | maxcell_ | and one of my i5 cores goes to 99% |
| 04:05.14 | maxcell_ | and everything stops moving and i can't type |
| 04:05.16 | maxcell_ | thats it |
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| 04:05.22 | gabrielc | maxcell_: i think that you must disable the sound and try to replicate the prblem |
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| 04:05.35 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, how do i disable the card? |
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| 04:07.09 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, i did a reasearch, i think i can disable onbios |
| 04:07.13 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, brb |
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| 04:11.28 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, hi |
| 04:11.36 | maxcell_ | i've disabled the sound card |
| 04:11.46 | maxcell_ | on bios |
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| 04:12.39 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, now when i press volume up/down it shows "HDMI/DisplayPort 2" instead of my real AC97. |
| 04:12.50 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, it frozen SO MUCH |
| 04:13.08 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, i think the system hang for about 5 seconds or more everytime i press volume up/down |
| 04:14.16 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, when the little volume picture on the middle of the screen finally open, it stop the frozen and i can volume up/down normal. when the icon vanish it frozen when i type. |
| 04:14.18 | gabrielc | maxcell_: and dmesg? |
| 04:14.53 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, nothing, clear |
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| 04:15.38 | maxcell_ | it seems like a graphical issue, something to do with xorg, not possible? |
| 04:16.13 | gabrielc | maxcell_: everthing is possible |
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| 04:26.29 | gabrielc | maxcell_: can you replicate the problem without volume keys? |
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| 04:38.28 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, only when i first enter the gnome at login and open the terminal for the first time. |
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| 04:46.54 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, i will put the sound back on |
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| 04:50.55 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, everything i open for the first time in the gnome, like the Menu, or even the Hexchat will frozen the type. |
| 04:51.43 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, But only the first thing i open, the Menu OR the Hexchat OR the terminal. The first one i open will frozen the typing. |
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| 04:54.06 | gabrielc | maxcell_: add a delay between the login and the first app. 30 seconds or so |
| 04:54.33 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, ok |
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| 04:56.35 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, same frozen |
| 04:57.48 | gabrielc | maxcell_: find the way to read the logs. x gnome the |
| 04:58.13 | gabrielc | apps. |
| 04:58.28 | gabrielc | i must go to sleep |
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| 04:59.07 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, what logs? |
| 04:59.19 | maxcell_ | gnome logs? |
| 04:59.32 | maxcell_ | xorg logs? |
| 04:59.40 | gabrielc | all of them |
| 04:59.45 | Heartbreakers | Alright2 :) |
| 05:00.01 | maxcell_ | gabrielc, ok thank you very much for the help |
| 05:00.14 | gabrielc | bye... |
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| 05:00.46 | jmcnaught | maxcell_: just tuning in, does your typing latency issue happen in Wayland sessions and Xorg, or only one of the two? |
| 05:01.20 | Heartbreakers | Websnoop3.com |
| 05:01.54 | jmcnaught | !ops Heartbreakers spamming |
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| 05:01.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: Heartbreakers spamming |
| 05:02.22 | Heartbreakers | Spamming? |
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| 05:02.55 | Heartbreakers | I think also but to lots money in the web |
| 05:03.03 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, both of them |
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| 05:03.50 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, i've installed Manjaro and it was using wayland and the problems seems even worse. |
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| 05:05.14 | Heartbreakers | What programmer do that on yesterday |
| 05:05.57 | Heartbreakers | To many virus in system |
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| 05:07.23 | jmcnaught | maxcell_: how new is your hardware? |
| 05:07.32 | Heartbreakers | I no have batt the my phone , later |
| 05:07.49 | Heartbreakers | Oh my god max |
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| 05:10.47 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, i5-2500 sandybridge, 8gb ram, good SSD and old HD, gtx 970 nvidia. - The "/" is mounted on SSD GPT disk with EFI boot. While the "/home" is mounted on normal HD which is MBR and non-gpt |
| 05:11.19 | jmcnaught | are you using nouveau or nvidia? |
| 05:11.26 | maxcell_ | nvidia proprietary |
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| 05:11.35 | jmcnaught | does it also happen with nouveau? |
| 05:11.41 | maxcell_ | i dont know |
| 05:11.44 | maxcell_ | i can test |
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| 05:12.01 | maxcell_ | should i? |
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| 05:12.12 | jmcnaught | probably worth a test if you are running short on clues |
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| 05:12.35 | maxcell_ | ok let me see |
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| 05:14.22 | maxcell_ | brb |
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| 05:17.13 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, i forget but how do i make sure if nouveau is running with dmesg? |
| 05:17.19 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, dmesg |grep glx ? |
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| 05:19.55 | jmcnaught | maxcell_: lsmod | grep -E '(nvidia|nouveau)' |
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| 05:20.19 | jmcnaught | which one is loaded? you can also check your ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log |
| 05:20.23 | maxcell_ | denis@Linux:~$ lsmod |grep -E '(nvidia|nouveau)' |
| 05:20.24 | maxcell_ | nouveau 1601536 0 |
| 05:21.27 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, i check the /var/log/xorg.0.log but i wasn't sure if the result is from now or from the time i first install the system. Or the log will reset every reset? |
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| 05:22.39 | jmcnaught | maxcell_: a new log every time Xorg is started, and the previous one is Xorg.1.log and so on. On stretch it will be in ~/.local/share/xorg though |
| 05:22.57 | jmcnaught | unless some display managers don't support root-less xorg |
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| 05:23.25 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, hmm ok |
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| 05:23.59 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, so its nouveau but the problem remains ok |
| 05:24.21 | maxcell_ | same frozen when type after open the first app |
| 05:24.32 | maxcell_ | and when press volume up/down |
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| 05:24.51 | maxcell_ | =( |
| 05:24.58 | maxcell_ | should i try to take intel-microcode off? |
| 05:25.08 | jmcnaught | why? |
| 05:25.11 | maxcell_ | idk |
| 05:25.19 | maxcell_ | i noted that |
| 05:25.34 | jmcnaught | can your computer use intel graphics? |
| 05:26.21 | jmcnaught | microcode fixes bugs in CPUs |
| 05:26.23 | maxcell_ | when i press volume up/down, while i have to wait like 5s to the gnome volume icon appears on the screen, one of my i5 cores goes next to 99% of usage. |
| 05:26.37 | maxcell_ | oh |
| 05:26.45 | jmcnaught | what is using the CPU that much? |
| 05:26.57 | maxcell_ | know when you are in gnome |
| 05:27.06 | maxcell_ | and press multimedia keys? |
| 05:27.10 | maxcell_ | like mute |
| 05:27.58 | maxcell_ | an animation will appear in the center of the screen with a speaker and a bar, rising up or down depends of the multimedia key you press |
| 05:28.00 | jmcnaught | i meant look at top and figure out which process is spiking the CPU when you do that |
| 05:28.10 | maxcell_ | ok |
| 05:28.37 | maxcell_ | XORG |
| 05:28.42 | maxcell_ | 50% |
| 05:29.00 | maxcell_ | when i press the key he goes to the top with 50% of cpu usage |
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| 05:29.45 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, it shows 50%, but is probably 100% because before it appears its all frozen including top itself. |
| 05:30.44 | jmcnaught | maxcell_: if it also does this in other distros, and for nvidia proprietary and nouveau, then i would test your intel gpu if you can |
| 05:32.22 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, there is any way to do that without physicly removing the card from the computer? |
| 05:33.07 | jmcnaught | in your computer's firmware or BIOS |
| 05:33.22 | maxcell_ | but |
| 05:33.27 | jmcnaught | there were no errors in Xorg.0.log? |
| 05:34.04 | maxcell_ | its cat xorg |egrep -e error ? |
| 05:34.29 | jmcnaught | maxcell_: i would look at the whole log, and search for (EE) |
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| 05:34.39 | maxcell_ | whats EE mean |
| 05:34.42 | jmcnaught | but there could be warnings about what is happening |
| 05:34.47 | jmcnaught | it says at the top of the log |
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| 05:35.00 | maxcell_ | hm ok |
| 05:35.21 | maxcell_ | so there is like 14.000 lines |
| 05:35.26 | maxcell_ | what im looking for |
| 05:35.38 | maxcell_ | just EE? |
| 05:35.58 | jmcnaught | or warnings, or lines that are repeated a lot |
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| 05:36.29 | maxcell_ | ok |
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| 05:37.24 | maxcell_ | (WW) (EE) i see |
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| 05:40.10 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, it try to load module nvidia but it couldn't; then it loads the nouveau. Normal right? |
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| 05:41.20 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, https://paste.debian.net/978368/ |
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| 05:42.12 | jmcnaught | maxcell_: is that because you have an xorg.conf that says to use nvidia? Normally xorg is autoconfigured and there is no xorg.conf |
| 05:42.35 | maxcell_ | let me see |
| 05:43.15 | maxcell_ | in /etc/X11 there is nothing about xorg on this directory |
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| 05:46.25 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, https://paste.debian.net/978369/ |
| 05:46.38 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, say it couldn't load DRI |
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| 05:47.41 | jmcnaught | maxcell_: now you have some errors to research it seems ⺠|
| 05:48.01 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, but im on nouveau, maybe they wont appear with regular nvidia driver |
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| 05:49.13 | maxcell_ | let me see |
| 05:49.23 | maxcell_ | the log is over |
| 05:49.35 | maxcell_ | i will put nvidia back and see if the error continue |
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| 05:58.06 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, |
| 05:58.15 | rpifan | can we fix debian directory strutres |
| 05:59.11 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, i think we are pretty close to solv the problem. Only one Warning remains and no errors in xorg log with nvidia proprietary driver. The only warning, is about VESA. |
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| 06:00.20 | jmcnaught | maxcell_: which problem though? the errors in your Xorg.0.log, some of them were about not being able to use nvidia or nouveau (you didn't show the whole thing) so maybe when you switched you didn't do it properly |
| 06:01.17 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, no, it tries to load nvidia and didn't find (because i remove) then it loads the nouveau instead. |
| 06:01.35 | jmcnaught | well i didn't see the lines immediately after that |
| 06:01.38 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, but now i put the nvidia driver back. |
| 06:02.07 | jmcnaught | the nvidia driver is faster, but nouveau is better integrated with the rest of the software in Debian |
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| 06:02.30 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, but they were both having the same issue with gnome. |
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| 06:03.34 | maxcell_ | what difference it makes if im using one or another |
| 06:04.03 | maxcell_ | do you wanna see the whole nouveau log anyway? i can put it back |
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| 06:05.03 | jmcnaught | if you're confident that you had nouveau working properly i believe you, but i didn't see proof of it in the logs |
| 06:05.14 | maxcell_ | and i didn't show you the entire log because i thought you want me to read |
| 06:05.17 | jmcnaught | you only showed snippets for some reason |
| 06:05.22 | maxcell_ | i dont have confident |
| 06:05.28 | maxcell_ | let me |
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| 06:05.50 | jmcnaught | i did want you to read them ⺠but if you also share them for others to read it's better we see the whole thing |
| 06:06.09 | maxcell_ | ok |
| 06:06.16 | maxcell_ | brb |
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| 06:09.37 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, here i'm :) so, the resolution is all wrong in case you wanna know |
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| 06:11.33 | _Strix_ | which tool offers highest compression ratio? |
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| 06:12.10 | _Strix_ | can I highly compress an ISO or video file.? |
| 06:12.19 | _Strix_ | any help would be great. |
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| 06:12.24 | jmcnaught | maxcell_: your card might need firmware-misc-nonfree for nouveau to work properly, or you could be in some fallback framebuffer driver |
| 06:12.45 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, https://paste.debian.net/978370/ |
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| 06:12.59 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, what is a fallback framebuffer driver lol |
| 06:14.08 | jmcnaught | maxcell_: like if nvidia or nouveau driver doesn't work it uses a basic one that works with all card |
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| 06:15.53 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, hmm, well in nvidia proprietary driver the opengl works at least, i dont know about "vesa" thing but opengl, in nvidia proprietary driver, works and the resolution is ok. With nouveau in the other hand i dont even know |
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| 06:16.47 | jmcnaught | maxcell_: the log from your paste is a session using the fbdev (frame buffer device) driver, not nouveau |
| 06:17.07 | maxcell_ | why? |
| 06:17.21 | jmcnaught | maxcell_: nouveau is what was running when you first installed, before you installed the proprietary drivers |
| 06:17.45 | maxcell_ | when i first install i was also without the right resolution |
| 06:17.49 | maxcell_ | i think nothings change |
| 06:17.56 | jmcnaught | maxcell_: probably because of something left behind from the nvidia drivers. that log is also trying to load the nvidia module |
| 06:18.06 | jmcnaught | maxcell_: do you have firmware-misc-nonfree installed? |
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| 06:19.37 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, here its called nouveau-firmware |
| 06:19.41 | maxcell_ | and it wasn't installed |
| 06:19.50 | maxcell_ | should i reboot? |
| 06:20.19 | jmcnaught | ,i nouveau-firmware |
| 06:20.20 | judd | No package named 'nouveau-firmware' was found in stretch/amd64. |
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| 06:20.27 | jmcnaught | maxcell_: are you even using Debian? |
| 06:20.46 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, i know you know:) |
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| 06:21.48 | jmcnaught | maxcell_: I don't appreciated being deceived so I'm going to stop helping you. Come back when you're running Debian, good luck. |
| 06:21.59 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, i've tried debian, manjaro and ubuntu, all have the same issue. |
| 06:22.49 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, i was in debian, then windows 10 replace the Efi bootloader, i didn't know what to do, install ubuntu, same problem in wherever distro i install |
| 06:23.13 | maxcell_ | come on jmcnaught |
| 06:23.58 | maxcell_ | ubuntu has nobody able to support and this problem is present on debian as well, i was in debian till this morning when the windows 10 crash my boot |
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| 06:25.37 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, not even talking? |
| 06:27.49 | maxcell_ | wow |
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| 06:29.01 | jmcnaught | maxcell_: I went to do something else, that I should have been doing while I thought I was helping someone with Debian. Please get support in the channel for your distro or try ##linux. |
| 06:29.26 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, i prefer debian than ubuntu |
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| 06:29.32 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, the only reason im on ubuntu since this morning |
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| 06:29.42 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, is because windows 10 screw up my bootloader |
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| 06:29.57 | jmcnaught | maxcell_: it doesn't matter, other distros are off topic here |
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| 06:30.49 | maxcell_ | ok jmcnaught |
| 06:31.22 | maxcell_ | i wasn't trying to deceiving you, just not telling you because i knew you wouldn't understand :) |
| 06:32.07 | maxcell_ | that sounds bad haha |
| 06:32.27 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, S2 |
| 06:32.48 | maxcell_ | let me go to ubuntu, where no one even talk |
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| 07:10.03 | Watcher7 | Does anyone know the proper packages to pull for a minimal, but functional Xen install in 9.1? There seems to have been a dummy package for it before, but now when I install say "xen-system" the recommended QEMU package attempts to pull down x11. |
| 07:10.16 | Watcher7 | I was wondering if someone more knowledgeable about Xen could assist me before I '--no-install-recommends' away something "crucial" to a typical install like 'grub-xen-bin'/'grub-xen-host'. |
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| 07:10.42 | Watcher7 | Do I even need QEMU for a Xen install? It seems anything kernel 2.6+ ships with the proper paravirtualization drivers by default making QEMU loss negligible. |
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| 07:11.08 | Watcher7 | I plan on running only *nix guests (Debian, CentOS/RHEL, Ubuntu, maybe an illumos child if Xen PV is covered in their kernel). |
| 07:11.18 | Watcher7 | Thanks. |
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| 07:44.55 | Haohmaru | the debian9 live lxde iso installs some very interesting packages by default o_O |
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| 08:04.52 | vlt | Haohmaru: For example? |
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| 08:09.33 | toruvinn | maros, /lshn |
| 08:09.35 | toruvinn | oops |
| 08:09.37 | toruvinn | sorry! |
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| 08:24.48 | Haohmaru | vlt, tons and tons of packages related to spelling, spell checking, dictionaries, and other such things for any possible language |
| 08:25.07 | Haohmaru | from chinese to khmer and everything inbetween |
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| 08:25.47 | Haohmaru | the libreoffice documentation and libreoffice itself had every possible language installed |
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| 08:26.10 | Haohmaru | and a pile of fonts for all those exotic languages |
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| 08:27.19 | Haohmaru | also, a package with islamic tools.. why not! |
| 08:27.43 | Haohmaru | i find all of that kinda weird |
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| 08:28.25 | vlt | Ah, *this* kind of âinterestingâ ⦠|
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| 08:29.14 | Haohmaru | i had no idea there's a language called "gujarati" |
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| 08:30.17 | Haohmaru | now i'm uninstalling.. but they are so many |
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| 08:30.50 | Haohmaru | it was about 2000 packages total versus about 1400 packages after netinst install |
| 08:32.16 | Haohmaru | and already much over 1.5GB worth of space |
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| 08:42.45 | Haohmaru | also firefox-esr comes with all language translations preinstalled x_x |
| 08:42.59 | Haohmaru | this can't be right |
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| 08:44.20 | jrmu | Haohmaru: maybe try installing from netinstall and then use apt with --no-install-recommends |
| 08:45.10 | Haohmaru | well i installed from a live iso cuz i wanted to see if it'll run on that machine first |
| 08:45.11 | jrmu | sometimes recommended packages are a bit unnecessary |
| 08:45.33 | likcoras | It's not recommended to install from live isos. |
| 08:45.40 | likcoras | afaik. |
| 08:45.51 | Haohmaru | after seeing that some things with the live iso installator are not proper (root password wrong) i used netinst to install debian on my own computer |
| 08:46.13 | jrmu | Haohmaru: the live cds are great for testing but I found the xfce live cd to have some small issues |
| 08:46.13 | jrmu | I ended up using the netinstall for actual installation |
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| 08:47.14 | jrmu | Haohmaru: yeah I had the same problem with root password |
| 08:48.51 | Haohmaru | i'd reinstall it but unfortunately i already began actual work on that machine |
| 08:49.13 | Haohmaru | so i'm removing packages that look weird |
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| 08:50.32 | Haohmaru | okay, i'm down to 1462 packages, that's comparable to the netinst installation |
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| 08:57.19 | savumies | I looking into how to change the behavior of the power button on debian 9 and most of what I see on the web is about acpi/acpid and now it does not come installed. How can I do it with systemd? Changing the option in logind.conf does not seem to work properly. For instance, HandlePowerKey=poweroff does not power the machine off. |
| 08:57.35 | alwyn | Hi, I'm currently on jessie, using sysvinit instead of systemd. Will I run into issues if I keep sysvinit when upgrading to stretch? Should I reinstall systemd before the upgrade? |
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| 08:59.03 | likcoras | savumies: look at /etc/systemd/logind.conf |
| 08:59.14 | likcoras | and logind.conf(5) |
| 08:59.20 | likcoras | pretty self-explanatory. |
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| 09:33.47 | CrazyTux | hello, can SAP ERP be installed on Debian 9? |
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| 09:34.40 | babilen | CrazyTux: You might be able to, but they typically target/support RHEL/SLES |
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| 09:34.48 | babilen | What does SAP say about it? |
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| 09:38.48 | CrazyTux | babilen, ok. I just want to install it and be able to use it. |
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| 09:39.20 | CrazyTux | It is ok if Debian is not officially supported by SAP. |
| 09:39.25 | jelly | CrazyTux, use the OS supported by your vendor. |
| 09:39.49 | CrazyTux | jelly, I want to install SAP for learning it. |
| 09:40.03 | jelly | learn it on the supported platform |
| 09:40.36 | CrazyTux | Redhat and Suse and even Oracle linux are not free. |
| 09:40.47 | jelly | oracle linux is free to install. |
| 09:40.49 | CrazyTux | I have Debian installed on my laptop. |
| 09:41.13 | jelly | and they have a (time delayed) public repo with patches, too |
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| 09:43.22 | jelly | using a wildly different OS is going to result in unusual errors, and you won't be able to figure out whether your platform is causing it or the app or what |
| 09:43.38 | CrazyTux | do I still need to pay if I want to install and use Oracle Linux? |
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| 09:45.48 | jelly | CrazyTux, ask in the appropriate channel like ##oracle or ##linux, and read what http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/linux/downloads/index.html says |
| 09:46.30 | jelly | that's literally the first google result for oracle linux iso |
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| 09:48.50 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 09:50.34 | vhx | Hi, how do you disable the default "auto extract" feature from nautilus (stretch) when double clicking on archives ? I find it annoying. |
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| 10:03.33 | Fyr | guys, is there a non-free Debian kernel with hardware acceleration for Intel (QSV and openCL)? |
| 10:04.15 | Fyr | I found some kernels with ZFS, Intel's ethernet drivers. |
| 10:04.24 | Fyr | but no QSV and openCL. |
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| 10:11.04 | hyper_ch | how can I tell if the mailx programm is actually heirloom-mailx? |
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| 10:11.57 | jelly | hyper_ch, dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which mailx)) |
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| 10:12.45 | jelly | or step by step: ls -l /usr/bin/mailx, ls -l /etc/alternatives/mailx, then dpkg -S that one |
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| 10:13.11 | hyper_ch | jelly: thx.... it was still using bsd-mailx for some reason |
| 10:13.19 | jelly | that's the default. |
| 10:13.44 | jelly | use update-alternatives |
| 10:13.55 | hyper_ch | jelly: well, upgraded from jessie to stretch |
| 10:14.01 | hyper_ch | and it seems that got changed back |
| 10:14.28 | jelly | possibly worth filing a bug report if you have logs of that release upgrade |
| 10:15.09 | hyper_ch | nah don't have |
| 10:16.06 | hyper_ch | hmmm, next issue |
| 10:16.08 | hyper_ch | update-alternatives --set mailx /usr/bin/heirloom-mailx |
| 10:16.09 | hyper_ch | update-alternatives: error: alternative /usr/bin/heirloom-mailx for mailx not registered; not setting |
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| 10:17.50 | hyper_ch | why do I get an error when running update-alternatives? |
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| 10:34.53 | jelly | hyper_ch, what does update-alternatives --list mailx say |
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| 10:39.54 | jelly | ah. |
| 10:39.58 | jelly | s-nail (14.8.14-2) unstable; urgency=medium |
| 10:39.58 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.59 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/846062 in s-nail (closed): «s-nail: not a proper mailx alternative»; severity: serious; opened: 2016-11-28; last modified: 2017-01-27. |
| 10:40.21 | jushur | Fyr: make your own. |
| 10:40.31 | hyper_ch | jelly: I fixed it by adding heirloom first... but why wasn't that the case... well, maybe I have a broken system |
| 10:40.32 | Fyr | =( |
| 10:40.54 | Fyr | I've compiled too many kernels. |
| 10:41.16 | Fyr | so now I prefer to stay out of compilation. |
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| 10:42.25 | hyper_ch | jelly: that's why... well, heirloom has a few nice things... easy fiel attachement useing -a and using smtp is also simple :) |
| 10:42.27 | jelly | hyper_ch, the linked bug shows why it got removed |
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| 10:42.56 | jelly | basically, an incompatibility vs. bsd-mailx |
| 10:43.07 | hyper_ch | but heirloom is superior :) |
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| 10:43.31 | jelly | and you're free to propose a solution and fix all the scripts that depend on bsd-mailx features |
| 10:43.55 | jelly | (mainly, -a does different things in those two) |
| 10:44.04 | hyper_ch | is moving those scripts to /dev/null considered a proper solution? :) |
| 10:44.41 | hyper_ch | the problem is the upgrade from 8 to 9 - because of that - broke my scan-to-email script |
| 10:44.51 | hyper_ch | because bsd-mailx can't do smtp |
| 10:45.58 | hyper_ch | anyway, found the problem and fixed it now :) thx jelly |
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| 10:47.49 | jelly | hyper_ch, consider using /usr/bin/s-nail or /usr/bin/heirloom-mailx in your script directly |
| 10:48.12 | jelly | who knows if the mailx alternative situation is going to be fixed |
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| 10:51.00 | hyper_ch | jelly: actually a good solution :) |
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| 10:53.05 | hyper_ch | jelly: https://paste.simplylinux.ch/view/raw/f32b9cad |
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| 10:53.56 | jelly | yeah, I have a smarthost for that |
| 10:54.08 | hyper_ch | here with proper indents: https://paste.simplylinux.ch/view/raw/f205021f |
| 10:54.16 | jelly | that accepts submission from my servers |
| 10:55.43 | jelly | or nullmailer or msmtp-mta or dma configured to send via smtp auth |
| 10:56.02 | hyper_ch | that sounds way too complicated :) |
| 10:56.15 | hyper_ch | so, time for cold brewed coffee :) |
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| 10:56.33 | jelly | just one place to configure for all the mail going out of a machine |
| 10:57.22 | jelly | (but a MTA like nullmailer still doesn't solve attachments) |
| 10:57.39 | hyper_ch | attachement with heirloom is easy :) |
| 10:57.43 | hyper_ch | -a /path/to/file |
| 10:58.01 | hyper_ch | and my scanned files first get pushed through OCR |
| 10:58.10 | hyper_ch | then with pdftk a blank page is added to the end |
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| 10:59.00 | hyper_ch | and it gets a digital signature with a qualified timestamp - so it can be proven that said documented existed in that form at that date/time and hasn't been altered |
| 10:59.12 | hyper_ch | then it gets renamed to current time stamp and also page count is added |
| 10:59.28 | hyper_ch | finally it's stored on the samba server (vpn-access only) or sent by email |
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| 11:10.27 | bikko | !stats please |
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| 11:11.40 | bikko | Halo max?? |
| 11:11.47 | bikko | Are u there? |
| 11:14.36 | jelly | bikko, hi! Do you have a debian support question? |
| 11:14.41 | jelly | !ask |
| 11:14.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:15.25 | bikko | No , i from webmaster. |
| 11:16.08 | jelly | someone may have pointed you to the wrong support place, then |
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| 11:16.30 | jelly | this particular channel is about Debian, a linux distro |
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| 11:31.36 | bikko | All talk back about irc? |
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| 11:37.37 | oerheks | bikko, no, about debian |
| 11:39.16 | bikko | Drones?virus?programming?programme? Scripting? |
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| 11:39.49 | Haohmaru | debian chocolate waffles |
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| 11:40.05 | Haohmaru | with vanilla and dark chocolate |
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| 11:40.50 | bikko | I have a coke |
| 11:40.59 | petn-randall | !ot |
| 11:40.59 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 11:48.01 | bikko | Hmm |
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| 11:49.08 | jelly | !offtopic |
| 11:49.09 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 11:49.41 | jelly | /join ##chat |
| 11:49.58 | jelly | if you want a place just to chat about random stuff |
| 11:50.03 | bikko | Unban 1st |
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| 11:51.06 | BluesKaj | Hi all |
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| 11:56.02 | will_ | i followed a tutorial to make a user with the privilege to create a db, but I tried to create one now, as my normal user, and it said i dont have a role |
| 11:56.11 | will_ | how to connect as that user? |
| 11:56.19 | will_ | or create as |
| 11:56.48 | n00b32 | what db .o0 ? |
| 11:57.14 | will_ | postgres |
| 11:57.32 | will_ | # su - postgres -c "createuser www-data -P" |
| 11:57.36 | will_ | # su - postgres -c "createuser -g www-data -d {username}" |
| 11:57.38 | n00b32 | su postgress |
| 11:57.41 | n00b32 | :D |
| 11:58.00 | will_ | lol postgresql |
| 11:58.03 | vhx | how do you disable the default "auto extract" feature from nautilus (stretch) when double clicking on archives ? I find it annoying. |
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| 11:59.20 | n00b32 | ALTER USER www-data CREATEDB; |
| 11:59.29 | n00b32 | oh |
| 11:59.31 | n00b32 | wow |
| 11:59.41 | will_ | how do i run that command from terminal |
| 12:00.10 | will_ | not like i've launched a postgres session |
| 12:00.12 | bikko | Shit to many can't use commands |
| 12:00.49 | n00b32 | what u did i really dont know what you are trying to do then... u need to run psql from postgress user |
| 12:01.13 | BluesKaj | !u |
| 12:01.14 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:01.49 | BluesKaj | n00b32,^ |
| 12:02.02 | n00b32 | im sure this helped him a lot more |
| 12:02.09 | n00b32 | let me get into the general mood |
| 12:02.09 | will_ | I attempted to do |
| 12:02.10 | bikko | HBO koboi? |
| 12:02.10 | will_ | $ createdb -O www-data mysite |
| 12:02.26 | n00b32 | will_ , go to #postgres |
| 12:05.05 | n00b32 | will_ those commands are not shell commands, they are psql commands |
| 12:05.11 | jelly | will_, open a shell as user postgres, (su - postgres), run psql there, then run psql stuff |
| 12:05.37 | jelly | most administration of postgres is done as user postgres |
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| 12:11.05 | will_ | does su have a default password? |
| 12:11.13 | will_ | I dont remember setting one |
| 12:11.45 | towo^work | su has no passwort |
| 12:11.55 | towo^work | su stands for substitude user |
| 12:12.11 | Haohmaru | substitute maybe? |
| 12:12.13 | towo^work | and after su without anything other, you need the root password |
| 12:12.46 | zigurat | Hi. I have a short question. If I have "clamav: install \n\t dh_systemd_enable $@.service" is the same of having "clamav: install \n\t dh_systemd_enable $@.service". ie the $@ is standard bash expansion? |
| 12:12.57 | zigurat | This is in the rules file |
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| 12:15.14 | will_ | I still get authentication failure |
| 12:15.24 | will_ | when i dont enter a password |
| 12:16.06 | inch | will_: su - postgres will ask for password of postgres which is probably not set. |
| 12:16.07 | will_ | is it okay to just use sudo in its place? |
| 12:16.15 | inch | Try sudo -u postgres psql |
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| 12:17.20 | will_ | inch: postrgres began thank you |
| 12:17.32 | will_ | now how do i make it show al current users |
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| 12:18.22 | inch | I'm no expert at this, but try SELECT * from pg_roles; |
| 12:18.59 | will_ | ahh that wokred ty |
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| 12:19.54 | will_ | i see 4 users can i get it to show me the passwords? |
| 12:20.02 | n00b32 | just a bit more meta - why would you want a database user named www-data ? with the permission to create dbs ? |
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| 12:20.40 | petn-randall | will_: postgres doesn't save passwords in clear text. |
| 12:20.42 | will_ | i did not make a db called www-data |
| 12:21.20 | will_ | n00b32: http://musings.tinbrain.net/simple-django-deploy/ |
| 12:21.33 | will_ | crtl-f: configuring postgres |
| 12:21.57 | will_ | That can explain it better than i would |
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| 12:22.17 | will_ | some stuff about security and minimum privileges and such |
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| 12:22.49 | will_ | petn-randall: so can i remove a user and re add with a password i might remember this time? |
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| 12:23.31 | n00b32 | oh well. all i can say is its not a very good tutorial then... |
| 12:23.36 | n00b32 | ALTER USER "user_name" WITH PASSWORD 'new_password'; |
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| 12:29.47 | armin | any hint what i could do if my laptop display is not waking up again after a system suspend when opening the lid? switching to a tty works (i see a log in prompt), killing the X server and starting it again from a tty also works. |
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| 12:38.20 | Brigo | armin, i would try unloading the graphic module in any hook (if posible). |
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| 12:45.49 | cruncher | armin, instead of killing the server, try killing the process light-locker and see if that helped |
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| 12:57.16 | armin | cruncher: uh, interesting. i didn't know it exists. |
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| 12:57.26 | armin | cruncher: i'm using xfce with xscreensaver if that matters. |
| 12:57.28 | koza__ | hello |
| 12:57.55 | cruncher | armin, ok, if you dont have light-locker installed... then forget my suggestion |
| 12:58.26 | koza__ | ÑÑÑÑкие еÑÑÑ? |
| 12:58.35 | cruncher | !ru |
| 12:58.36 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 12:58.40 | armin | cruncher: i did have that installed as it was a dependency of task-xfce-desktop, which i installed by choosing xfce desktop from the installer, obviously. so your suggestion was completely correct and very helpful. |
| 12:58.40 | bashley | hi |
| 12:58.42 | bashley | Ubuntu, how can I run immediately a cronjob script - or at least validate its syntax? I want to be sure! |
| 12:58.46 | bashley | *or Debian |
| 12:58.47 | bashley | well |
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| 12:58.58 | koza__ | !ru |
| 12:58.58 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 12:59.03 | armin | cruncher: so yes, perfect hint. thanks a lot for your kind help! |
| 12:59.29 | armin | cruncher: will see if that helps. thanks again. |
| 12:59.37 | cruncher | armin, you are welcome |
| 12:59.53 | n00b32 | koza__, DNDDDDNDDDNDDNDDND?34DND ! |
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| 13:00.31 | koza__ | ahahha |
| 13:00.35 | koza__ | lol |
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| 13:00.44 | bashley | anyone? |
| 13:00.59 | bashley | How to run a cronjob immediately? An easy way! I also want to see whether the commands inside logged anything to terminal! |
| 13:01.20 | koza__ | ? |
| 13:01.52 | koza__ | Ufrom? |
| 13:02.01 | towo^work | koza__, stop that! |
| 13:02.09 | towo^work | koza__, that is not a social chat |
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| 13:02.54 | koza__ | :c |
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| 13:04.59 | koza__ | my debian 9 (crunchdang++),u system origin debian ? |
| 13:05.13 | koza__ | he* |
| 13:05.38 | fourhundred | how can I install firefox-esr 45.9 on Wheezy ? |
| 13:05.47 | towo^work | if it has another name like debian, it's not debian |
| 13:05.53 | fourhundred | apt only offers me the newer 52.2 |
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| 13:08.52 | angor | fourhundred: https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/45.9.0esr/ |
| 13:11.36 | koza__ | #!++ no debian? it's debian 9 for openbox + pack crunchbang's |
| 13:11.49 | fourhundred | angor, I meant an official debian package |
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| 13:11.50 | towo^work | it's not debian |
| 13:12.02 | koza__ | it'sdebian 9! |
| 13:12.14 | towo^work | no, it's crunchbang |
| 13:12.21 | towo^work | otherwise it would be named debian |
| 13:12.23 | koza__ | yes |
| 13:12.39 | towo^work | and no one here do support for crunchbang |
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| 13:12.56 | angor | fourhundred: what for? |
| 13:13.16 | angor | fourhundred: weg + tar + ../path/to/firefox |
| 13:13.47 | koza__ | crunchbang it is debian, full pack debian |
| 13:14.04 | fourhundred | what's wrong with asking in #debian, how to get a debian package ? |
| 13:14.17 | fourhundred | what do you mean "what for" ? |
| 13:14.20 | koza__ | in ubuntu not debian pack,it is not debian! |
| 13:14.28 | fourhundred | what do I need a browser for ? |
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| 13:15.43 | angor | fourhundred: you don't need a browser, you need an EXACT VERSION of debian package |
| 13:16.13 | fourhundred | correct. can you tell me where I can get it ? |
| 13:16.32 | dontknow | fourhundred, you can download this. it is 64 bit https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/45.9.0esr/linux-x86_64/en-US/ |
| 13:16.54 | towo^work | he wants a deb |
| 13:17.00 | towo^work | fourhundred, http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/firefox-esr/+ |
| 13:17.00 | koza__ | i have chromium |
| 13:17.07 | fourhundred | official deb |
| 13:17.11 | koza__ | + |
| 13:17.17 | towo^work | fourhundred, http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/firefox-esr/ |
| 13:17.46 | fourhundred | towo^work, thanks |
| 13:17.55 | angor | http://snapshot.debian.org/package/firefox-esr/ |
| 13:18.03 | angor | towo^work: you won :) |
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| 13:30.12 | koza__ | ? |
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| 13:36.14 | protonesso_ | test |
| 13:36.20 | koza__ | ) |
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| 13:36.25 | koza__ | yes |
| 13:36.31 | koza__ | it's test |
| 13:36.32 | koza__ | ) |
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| 13:37.05 | jelly | koza__, keep your comments in here to tech support, please. If you want to chat, we have #debian-offtopic and there's network-wide ##chat |
| 13:37.34 | n00b32 | i guess he thinks everone is replying to him cause of language barrier ;/ |
| 13:39.12 | koza__ | i'm sorry |
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| 14:04.29 | gusgg | Is there a way to find reverse depenendencies on packages.debian.org ? |
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| 14:13.23 | _rubik | gusgg: IIRC ... apt-cache rdepeneds <package> |
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| 14:15.37 | _rubik | the --installed flag might also be helpfil |
| 14:15.47 | _rubik | helpful* |
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| 14:17.38 | gusgg | _rubik: thanks! I was hoping there was a way to get reverse dependencies through the website (the same way you can see a packages dependencies) |
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| 14:24.49 | sparky4 | startx is still kill |
| 14:25.49 | jelly | gusgg, those are not explicit so you need a database with all the packages, like |
| 14:25.51 | jelly | !udd |
| 14:25.51 | dpkg | The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database. http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase http://udd.debian.org/ |
| 14:26.31 | jelly | judd, rdepends mail-transport-agent |
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| 14:27.30 | jelly | maybe not |
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| 14:32.56 | koza__ | curl wttr.in/london |
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| 14:50.59 | greycat | This was "fun": https://wiki.debian.org/NewInStretch?action=diff&rev2=12&rev1=11 |
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| 14:52.15 | sdfsdf | can I plug in an android phone through usb and get data inside /com folders without root on the phone? |
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| 14:53.05 | jolt | sdfsdf: I guess that is pretty much outside of what #debian can help you with |
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| 14:54.12 | sdfsdf | jolt: well, i'm using a debian distro so unless you know more than the hundreds of users in here.. don't be so dumb to talk in the name of everyone ; ) |
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| 14:55.12 | n00b32 | 1) depends on rom 2) you can get in the folders but wont have permissions for anything fun like databases |
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| 14:56.31 | n00b32 | and i really dont like the whole mess with mysql->mariadb |
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| 14:58.58 | tytan | Hello everyone. It looks like openZFS is not in the standard repository of Debian 9. What do I have to do to install openZFS with apt? |
| 14:59.27 | greycat | ,info zfsutils-linux |
| 14:59.29 | judd | Package zfsutils-linux (contrib/admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: command-line tools to manage OpenZFS filesystems. Version: 0.6.5.9-5; Size: 327.6k; Installed: 1087k; Homepage: http://www.zfsonlinux.org/ |
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| 15:00.07 | tytan | ok, but what does it mean? |
| 15:00.49 | greycat | There is a package named "zfsutils-linux" which I found by running "apt-cache search --names-only zfs". |
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| 15:01.16 | tytan | "apt-get install zfsutils-linux" doesn't work for me |
| 15:01.16 | greycat | zfs-dkms also looks kinda important, but I don't know anything about zfs, so good luck. |
| 15:01.34 | greycat | It's in contrib, which you may not have in your sources.list yet. |
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| 15:05.03 | tytan | I just added "contrib non-free" behind "main" in my sources.list. Is that correct? |
| 15:05.10 | greycat | Yeah, and apt-get update |
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| 15:06.02 | tytan | I stil can't see that package |
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| 15:07.14 | greycat | You added " contrib non-free" on *all* of your sources, right? Not just one? |
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| 15:08.30 | jelly | ,v zfs-dkms |
| 15:08.31 | judd | Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.9-2~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5; buster/contrib: 0.6.5.10-1; sid/contrib: 0.6.5.11-1 |
| 15:08.44 | jelly | looks like it exists in stretch |
| 15:09.06 | greycat | I'm guessing he still hasn't got sources.list quite right, or didn't run apt-get update tet. |
| 15:09.06 | jelly | tytan, there's no package named exactly openzfs |
| 15:09.25 | jelly | forgetting to do an apt-get update is very common |
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| 15:13.47 | tytan | I think I got my sources.list wrong |
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| 15:25.33 | tytan | Ok guys I really got my /etc/apt/sources.list wrong. I used this generator "https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/" and it works |
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| 15:31.16 | celyr | It looks okay, did not try 3rd part |
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| 15:53.09 | sparky4 | startx is still kill |
| 15:53.11 | sparky4 | oh sorry |
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| 16:01.45 | jhutchins_wk | Any recommendations for a web-based IRC client that can maintain persistent sessions? Something to run on the home server so I can have continuity from work. |
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| 16:03.32 | Bsadowski1 | jhutchins_wk: A lot of people use a cloud based one called IRCCloud |
| 16:03.39 | jdfish | jhutchins_wk: irccloud allows you to stay a while while you're detached. if you pay, i think you can stay even longer without them disconnecting you |
| 16:03.42 | verm1n | jhutchins_wk: https://github.com/Kickball/awesome-selfhosted#irc |
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| 16:04.12 | verm1n | znc + convos combo. or just convos |
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| 16:04.23 | jdfish | jhutchins_wk: that being said, you can also run ZNC on a home server, and then use, say, kiwiirc to connect to it |
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| 16:05.59 | bodom | Hi there! I have problems with the new Debian 9 ssh console: it behaves differently in some cases; by example, when I write a line that is longer than the screen width, i get weird behavior instead of it going to a new line |
| 16:06.25 | bodom | I suppose something has been changed in the default "emulation" or somewhat like that |
| 16:06.54 | DammitJim | gosh, I don't even know who or where to ask this question... I joined my debian machine to AD with samba, pam, kerberos |
| 16:07.09 | greycat | bodom: 1) there is no "ssh console". Perhaps you mean a terminal, or a shell, or something. 2) This sounds like you've got a bash PS1 prompt with incorrectly enclosed escape sequences in it. |
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| 16:07.11 | DammitJim | it seems that the same local user can't exist if the domain has the same one |
| 16:07.33 | greycat | bodom: Can you confirm that you are talking about the behavior while typing a command inside bash? |
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| 16:08.22 | bodom | greycat: mhhh... it makes sense, let me check my $PS1 |
| 16:08.40 | RandomGuyOnIrc | when I run, "sudo smem -u" I get these columns, "User Count Swap USS PSS RSS". What do USS, PSS and RSS mean? |
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| 16:12.23 | RandomGuyOnIrc | Nevermind, I found it here: https://linux.die.net/man/8/smem |
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| 16:13.15 | bodom | greycat: yep, $PS1 was screwed up. But i've checked and in the default installad it is different, so it is not a Debian issue in the end. Thank you |
| 16:13.38 | greycat | bodom: Any escape sequences in PS1 have to be enclosed in \[ \] |
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| 16:15.38 | greycat | (The actual requirement is, any character sequence that doesn't make the cursor change position.) |
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| 16:23.35 | cusco | hey |
| 16:23.55 | cusco | installed python-pymysql |
| 16:24.09 | cusco | in the shell just type python, and inside python shell I type: import pymysql |
| 16:24.11 | cusco | all good |
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| 16:24.30 | cusco | if I have a file that has a line: import pymysql, and run it with python interpreter, itt errors stating cannto find module |
| 16:24.33 | cusco | what am I missing ? |
| 16:24.59 | gusgg | jelly: thanks for the UDD link! |
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| 17:05.49 | KMnO4 | Hello, I don't have the /etc/shells file, the file was probably removed during the upgrade, what can I do? |
| 17:06.11 | greycat | Copy it from another Debian system, or just put a bunch of shells in it. |
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| 17:13.47 | KMnO4 | greycat: why did it happen? |
| 17:14.15 | greycat | I have no idea what you did. This is not a thing I"ve ever seen happen, nor heard anyone else ask about that I can recall. |
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| 17:15.43 | KMnO4 | greycat: I did apt-get upgrade then apt-get dist-upgrade because I have noticed that the system wasn't upgraded |
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| 17:16.50 | greycat | Neither of those should remove /etc/shells because it's not even part of a package. |
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| 17:17.09 | greycat | Maybe you found a bug, or you have a third party package with a horribly broken prerm script. |
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| 17:18.50 | KMnO4 | nah I don't have any third party package... |
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| 17:21.06 | rhizome | i've enabled the experimental repo to get firefox 55, pinning it in /etc/apt/preferences. is that all i have to do to keep experimental from leaking into my updates? |
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| 17:22.02 | Johjny | Does OpenSSH run as root? |
| 17:22.26 | rhizome | Johjny: sshd does, yes. |
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| 17:23.40 | greycat | The parent sshd does, because it has to be able to listen on a "privileged" port, and be able to switch to any other UID. |
| 17:23.56 | greycat | Once you authenticate, the child sshd runs as you. |
| 17:23.57 | Johjny | Thank you :),so it basically changes uid and gid for the channel and creates a pty? |
| 17:24.44 | greycat | Those are some of the things it does, yes. |
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| 17:25.33 | Johjny | Thanks :), I want to understand Linux and esp. Debian on a higher level |
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| 17:49.42 | marioxcc | Hello. |
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| 17:51.42 | pie3 | how do you download youtube video? |
| 17:51.47 | deego | youtube-dl |
| 17:52.28 | greycat | Wow, the package description for youtube-dl is just stupidly long. |
| 17:52.42 | greycat | wooledg:~$ apt-cache show youtube-dl | wc |
| 17:52.42 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.48 | nkuttler | keyword stuffing package descriptions? eh.. |
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| 17:55.53 | marioxcc | I am stuck with aptitude. I marked a package "xserver-xorg-input-libinput" to uninstall, then it showed dependency conflics, so I selected one possible resolution. |
| 17:56.06 | marioxcc | I have not uninstalled anything. |
| 17:56.27 | marioxcc | but I want to *undo* this (the pending actions). I did select "forget pending actions" in the menu but nothing happens. |
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| 17:57.06 | marioxcc | How can I actually cancell the pending actions? |
| 17:57.36 | debbly | hi |
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| 17:59.30 | debbly | So you accidentally moved/borked your /etc/hosts file. And you are not root - but use sudo... |
| 17:59.34 | debbly | well, then you are screwed, aren't you? |
| 18:00.18 | greycat | Restore it from backup. Or reconstruct a basic one. |
| 18:00.21 | greycat | There shouldn't be much in it. |
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| 18:03.28 | debbly | greycat: the issue is that you need sudo for root permissions, for fixing the /etc/hosts file. But for using sudo you need proper /etc/hosts file. |
| 18:03.40 | greycat | Just login as root on a console. |
| 18:04.46 | greycat | If you can't do that, boot from rescue media and fix it, or follow /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 18:05.57 | pie3 | is it possible to have multiple clocks in computer? |
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| 18:06.48 | nkuttler | pie3: i like tzwatch |
| 18:07.05 | greycat | I thought he meant hardware clocks... |
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| 18:09.21 | pie3 | yes hardware clocks greycat nkuttler |
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| 18:10.41 | debbly | greycat: root login has been disabled for security reasons and best practices. Maybe su command instead suo? |
| 18:10.42 | debbly | *sudo |
| 18:12.34 | greycat | I do not know what you mean by that first sentence. I *thought* you meant, originally, that you had not given a root password *at all*, which would make direct root *console* logins impossible, as well as sudo from non-root, but then you implied you could just su and be done with it, so ... |
| 18:12.40 | greycat | *shrug* |
| 18:12.56 | greycat | I also don't know what makes you POSSIBLY think that disabling root console logins is a "security reason" or a "best practice". |
| 18:13.14 | greycat | If "They" have access to your console, they have access to the hardware, so the game is over. |
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| 18:13.31 | marioxcc | I want to undo these pending actions: https://s21.postimg.org/dne5bwsc7/screenshot_2.png |
| 18:13.38 | marioxcc | If I do Actions->Cancel pending actions this is what I get: https://s21.postimg.org/m1a7gsyxj/screenshot_3.png |
| 18:13.42 | marioxcc | How can I remove them? |
| 18:13.56 | marioxcc | pressing "e" makes it stuck on examining ways to resolve dependencies |
| 18:14.00 | marioxcc | (remove the pending actions, NOT the packages) |
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| 18:14.13 | nkuttler | press q? |
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| 18:15.43 | DavidMAURER | hello, can you help me to configure wifi in the file /etc/network/interfaces (debian 8) ? |
| 18:15.45 | marioxcc | nkuttler: That just quits aptitude. It solves nothing. |
| 18:15.49 | debbly | greycat: well, TIL that you can lock yourself out of these systems by just changing the /etc/hosts file. Fair enough - all systems files have the potential for this... so one should be careful tampering with these. |
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| 18:16.13 | greycat | News to me too. Is it simply that sudo tries to look up "localhost" or something? |
| 18:16.21 | greycat | Or does it actually try to lookup your hostname? |
| 18:18.01 | debbly | greycat: indeed, it uses it for hostanme/localhost lookup because sudo can be configured for granular access that also can involve the hostname |
| 18:18.14 | debbly | and there is no graceful fallback, when it cannot resolve it will just fail |
| 18:18.32 | greycat | I mean, which one? So you can "poison" your nameserver to server that up and work around the problem. |
| 18:19.20 | greycat | Oh well, booting in super-rescue mode is probably easier. |
| 18:20.25 | debbly | yes, but the nameserver thing is a cool idea btw |
| 18:20.33 | debbly | maybe one can craft an attack against sudo somehow? :O |
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| 18:22.39 | DavidMAURER | how to know if it's wep or wpa or ... wifi ? |
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| 18:25.24 | cser | long time ago I found a website that seems can request Debian to include a particular package. That acts a bit like wish list. But I can no longer find it. Any place or debian mailing list can issue such request? |
| 18:25.34 | abrotman | !rfp |
| 18:25.35 | dpkg | Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. The best way of getting software packaged is to do it yourself: ask me about <nmg>. |
| 18:25.44 | abrotman | that? |
| 18:26.34 | abrotman | cser: ? |
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| 18:29.26 | marioxcc | Is there a way to remove the pending changes of aptitude byIs there a way to remove the pending changes of aptitude by deleting some file? deleting some file? |
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| 18:31.23 | cser | @abrotman that seems just a report system for packages (already in debian) e.g. requiring maintainer not package not yet existing in the apt repos. |
| 18:31.43 | cser | but thanks for the information! |
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| 18:33.31 | gert_ | I just installed a NVidia graphics card, drivers are working alls well, but I noticed a lot of radeon and amd packages are installed. when I try to apt remove them it lists a bunch of other packages for removal like 'task-desktop' and 'xserver-video-all' I don't think I want to remove those, should I just keep the amd/radeon packages? |
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| 18:34.37 | greycat | ,info xserver-video-all |
| 18:34.38 | judd | No package named 'xserver-video-all' was found in stretch/amd64. |
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| 18:34.55 | greycat | ,info xserver-xorg-xorg-video-all |
| 18:34.56 | judd | No package named 'xserver-xorg-xorg-video-all' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 18:35.04 | gert_ | yeah that one, sorry |
| 18:35.06 | greycat | grrrr |
| 18:35.10 | greycat | ,info xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 18:35.11 | judd | Package xserver-xorg-video-all (x11, optional) in stretch/amd64: X.Org X server -- output driver metapackage. Version: 1:7.7+19; Size: 37.1k; Installed: 46k; Homepage: http://www.x.org/ |
| 18:35.21 | greycat | See, it's nothing important. |
| 18:35.42 | greycat | Likewise, nothing that begins with task- is important. |
| 18:36.11 | gert_ | okay thanks, I'll apt show through the list anyways just to make sure :) |
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| 18:40.38 | AMartin | Hi, I have just installed Debian 9.1 on an old hardware, yet from LiveCD with LXDE everything was working fine. Decided to install it, and then after reboot I couldn't get anything else but a black screen. I have removed lightdm and now I can at least have console, but whenever I run startx with lxde or awesome, I only gen black screen with a cursor (and can move around) but nothing else. Anyone had anything similar? |
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| 18:44.00 | greycat | Oh, I can't wait to learn what the new bugs are in the 9.1.0 live images.... |
| 18:44.04 | n4dir | AMartin: what i would do first of all is use the default installation medium instead of the LiveCD to install. It is known for problems |
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| 18:45.46 | marioxcc | I solved the problem: "sudo aptitude keep-all". It's incredible that this worked, but "forget pending actions" did not work. |
| 18:46.02 | AMartin | n4dir: ah, was thinking how much it is different if this could be the cause. I'll try the 'oryginal' version then and hopefully this would solve the issue, thx |
| 18:46.30 | greycat | Oh, hey, there's a list of bugs on https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ and some are marked as "fixed" and some are marked as "still a problem" |
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| 18:47.55 | gp_ | how to import 20 ttfs at a time using Files or Terminal? |
| 18:47.59 | SuperTramp83 | I'm having an issue compiling libmesode on 9 (used to work just fine on Deb 8), hope someone knowledgeable will give me a tip -> https://paste.debian.net/978550/ |
| 18:48.42 | n4dir | AMartin: i got no idea if it will solve your problem (i don't even guess it will). But it will remove sure other (possible) problems and will make troubleshooting more easy (at least no one will start to complain about the liveCD installer :-) ). |
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| 18:49.14 | gp_ | got it! /usr/local/share/fonts |
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| 18:50.11 | n4dir | i always forget what is the log file for errors. ~/.xsession-errors ? /var/log/Xorg.0.log might be an idea too (back then i also got info after running startx, but not sure if that still works). |
| 18:50.20 | BluesKaj | wouldn't having a window manager and a DE installed together put a heaver load on X and cause problems? |
| 18:50.44 | AMartin | n4dir: true, I'll do the net install with only base system, install lxde or awesome and see how it goes. Mind it's an old hardware so it may take some time, but will be back to let you know how it went |
| 18:50.47 | greycat | Xorg.0.log for errors from the X server side, and ~/.xsession-errors for errors from the X client side, unless they go somewhere else |
| 18:50.47 | BluesKaj | especially with old HW |
| 18:50.55 | n4dir | AMartin: good luck. |
| 18:50.57 | greycat | and Xorg.0.log can be in one of two different places now |
| 18:51.29 | n4dir | greycat: thanks. AMartin make a note about the files greycat mentioned, and if problems occur, look at those files before asking here. |
| 18:52.10 | n4dir | BluesKaj: imho No. And i have no idea how that should be possible (but ... well ... just another user). |
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| 18:53.35 | BluesKaj | I'm asking because I really don't know, n4dir ...mere speculation on my part |
| 18:53.52 | AMartin | thanks guys, I've seen Xorg.0.log, not many clues there. Will try the second one ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 18:54.43 | n4dir | say you install open-office (or such) and never use it. How should it use ressources (like said, more of a speculation from me too, but it doesn't make much sense to me to assume otherwise). BluesKaj |
| 18:55.00 | greycat | If you never run it, the only resource it takes up is disk space. |
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| 18:55.23 | n4dir | AMartin: i for one would reinstall from a different medium anyway. just saying |
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| 18:56.39 | n4dir | and, btw, BluesKaj awesome (as an example for a window manager) uses ca 12 MB of RAM. Looking at firefox, i don't care much about those 12 RAM :-) |
| 18:57.55 | BluesKaj | yes I'm, aware of that greycat, so the awesome WM is a separate process , and unused just idles if the DE is logged into |
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| 18:57.58 | AMartin | n4dir: just burning a CD with Debian netinst. There is no ~/.xsession-errors file though, and I would spot it as I'm modifying the ~/.xinitrc file (same directory) |
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| 18:58.59 | BluesKaj | does more research on WMs |
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| 18:59.34 | n4dir | AMartin: these days some people mentioned the need to be part of the .... hmm .... video group ? (problems to start X, this way or the other) I only read it while chilling here, so it is a very vague hint. |
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| 18:59.58 | greycat | If it were a permissions issue, I would think you would get a clear error message. |
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| 19:00.41 | AMartin | n4dir: greycat, well I tried to run startx from my user and a root user, same outcome |
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| 19:03.42 | n4dir | back then i did simply ctrl+alt+F1 to go where i ran "startx" and could see if it gave some error messages. But i think something has changed. |
| 19:04.03 | greycat | Yeah, that changed in jessie. X runs in the same tty where you ran startx now. |
| 19:04.17 | greycat | Instead of creating tty7. |
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| 19:04.49 | n4dir | greycat: and how would it be possible to see the messages of "startx" ? |
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| 19:05.30 | greycat | redirect it to a file...? |
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| 19:05.56 | n4dir | ha. so easy. duh. |
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| 19:06.02 | greycat | It hasn't been an issue for me, so I haven't had to try. |
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| 19:06.24 | n4dir | yeah, been ages i had problems like that. |
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| 19:09.47 | pie3 | is there any website offering free TLD? and free web server? if opensource it would be better |
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| 19:10.26 | greycat | I don't think anyone is going to hand you the keys to an ENTIRE top level domain. |
| 19:10.41 | greycat | Even a SINGLE domain name costs money. |
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| 19:19.49 | iodev | Hey greycat |
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| 19:27.28 | gert_ | aren't .tk domains free but like terribly advertised |
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| 19:28.25 | JPT | Yes. But if you purchase one, they don't have the right to take it from you whenever they like |
| 19:28.56 | greycat | Hard for me to give any civil response to pie3. First he wants someone to take him on as a mentor-ee in a programming language, any language, he literally DOES NOT CARE which one, and then spams various other channels with the same request, naming other languages than the one the channel covers. |
| 19:29.12 | greycat | Now he wants a free domain name (hell, an entire free TLD!!!) and a free web host. |
| 19:29.41 | pie3 | greycat: who dont want free stuffs? |
| 19:29.46 | raboof | I have a raspberrypi and would like to logon to it. connected it to my laptop via ethernet cable, with wireshard I see it sending DHCP requests. |
| 19:29.49 | greycat | Like anyone would take on a random schmuck from the Internet and say "Here you go, you can be in charge of .com now." |
| 19:30.04 | pie3 | raboof: how to interpret wireshark results? |
| 19:30.07 | pie3 | i have it too |
| 19:30.20 | raboof | I configured 'interface' and 'dhcp-range' in /etc/dnsmasq.conf as documented at https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/dnsmasq and restarted dnsmasq |
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| 19:30.56 | matcz | hello all! |
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| 19:31.04 | raboof | I see dnsmasq is now listening on 0.0.0.0:67 but it doesn't seem to be responding.. how to dig deeper? |
| 19:31.09 | matcz | i have quick question |
| 19:31.27 | greycat | raboof: if it's Raspbian, know that we do not support that here. |
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| 19:31.50 | petn-randall | !raspbian |
| 19:31.51 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 19:31.54 | matcz | my full domain is vv.xx.yy.zzz |
| 19:32.06 | petn-randall | raboof: Check the IRC channel above. ^^^ |
| 19:32.07 | raboof | greycat: that's fine, I'm asking about configuring the Debian laptop :) |
| 19:32.46 | matcz | i set in hostname and in /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 vv.xx.yy.zzz vv.xx |
| 19:33.02 | matcz | when i call hostname -d it shows my only xx.yy.zzz |
| 19:33.22 | matcz | and, imho, thats why i cannot connect via full adress only ip to server |
| 19:33.25 | greycat | Debian normally puts your hostname on 127.0.1.1 and leaves "127.0.0.1 localhost" |
| 19:33.45 | greycat | Connections from outside would not care what is in your /etc/hosts on the target machine. |
| 19:33.59 | matcz | so only /etc/hostname vv.xx.yy.zzz is enough? |
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| 19:34.21 | greycat | Connections from outside need to be able to resolve the hostname, either using DNS, or using /etc/hosts on the *client*. |
| 19:34.22 | matcz | and it should work? |
| 19:34.26 | raboof | petn-randall: I was asking about the configuration of dnsmasq on the Debian laptop side though |
| 19:34.36 | greycat | Nothing you do on the server matters for the client's name resolution. |
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| 19:35.00 | matcz | greycat, if server has dynamic ip how should i set it up on client? |
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| 19:35.13 | matcz | it has simple python script to update dns entries |
| 19:35.14 | greycat | Use a dynamic DNS service. |
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| 19:35.20 | matcz | yes i have |
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| 19:35.25 | greycat | Or get a static IP and then you can use regular DNS. |
| 19:35.56 | matcz | so why i cannot connect via address but via ip it works? |
| 19:36.12 | greycat | Because your dynamic DNS isn't working. |
| 19:36.41 | mutante | you can manually edit /etc/hosts on the client . poor man's DNS or something |
| 19:36.45 | matcz | i got mail that dns was reloaded new zones |
| 19:37.00 | matcz | but your right ping pings old ip not new one |
| 19:37.09 | matcz | has reloaded* |
| 19:37.24 | matcz | static ip isnt option |
| 19:37.28 | matcz | only dynamix |
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| 19:37.56 | mutante | matcz: it might take a while until all DNS servers know about the change |
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| 19:38.08 | mutante | depending on the TTL settings etc |
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| 19:38.16 | petn-randall | raboof: Ah, just saw that. How does your current /etc/dnsmasq.conf look like? |
| 19:38.22 | matcz | mutante, i know but as i told, i got mail that it has reloaded new zones |
| 19:38.23 | greycat | Ideally a dynamic DNS nameserver should set a very small TTL on zones that contain dynamic names. |
| 19:38.41 | matcz | ttl 600 |
| 19:38.49 | mutante | ok, that's 5 minutes |
| 19:38.54 | greycat | That's 10 minutes. |
| 19:38.54 | mutante | 10 :p |
| 19:39.07 | matcz | :D |
| 19:39.13 | pie3 | anyone using python for website? interface |
| 19:39.17 | raboof | petn-randall: 3 non-commented lines, "interface=eth1", "dhcp-range=192.168.0.50,192.168.0.150,12h", "log-dhcp" |
| 19:39.54 | greycat | hopes nobody is stupid enough to respond to pie3 and then become his intended slave-answer-bitch |
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| 19:40.34 | pie3 | change your nick to blackcat |
| 19:40.39 | pie3 | no |
| 19:40.41 | pie3 | redcat is better |
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| 19:41.11 | petn-randall | raboof: And eth1 is the interface your Pi is connected to? |
| 19:41.13 | matcz | mutante, greycat, i should to wait longer? |
| 19:41.29 | greycat | matcz: well, you should wait 600 seconds before concluding that anything is broken |
| 19:41.42 | matcz | i got mail 20' ago |
| 19:41.46 | raboof | petn-randall: jup, wireshark on eth1 shows its DHCP requests (Request and Discover) but no replies |
| 19:41.48 | matcz | so its double ttl |
| 19:42.05 | matcz | bur maybe next mail should be enough |
| 19:42.07 | greycat | Are you sure your "server" sent the correct IP address to the dynamic DNS service? |
| 19:42.12 | matcz | but* |
| 19:42.13 | matcz | yes |
| 19:42.30 | matcz | i checked at dns settings and used that ip to connect via ssh |
| 19:42.34 | matcz | and its correvt |
| 19:44.05 | raboof | hmm aah rsyslogd was stalled, some useful stuff there. wait a minute for me to digest that, I'll return with more questions if I have :) |
| 19:44.07 | AciD` | for a week now, I cannot `apt dist-upgrade`. the mariadb-server (and mariadb-server-10.1) packages are failing the dependency tree. Am I alone in this case ? (on debian stretch) |
| 19:44.09 | petn-randall | raboof: Does dnsmasq throw any errors/warning on startup? |
| 19:44.18 | petn-randall | raboof: Ah, good to know :) |
| 19:44.26 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 19:44.26 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 19:44.28 | mutante | matcz: does the client have a cache that you could empty? |
| 19:44.28 | petn-randall | AciD`: ^^^ |
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| 19:45.14 | matcz | ckient is xubuntu terminal |
| 19:45.20 | matcz | and server is debian |
| 19:45.25 | matcz | thats why im here |
| 19:45.31 | AciD` | hum, LANG=C does not change the language back to english now? |
| 19:45.36 | AciD` | what is this!? |
| 19:46.17 | greycat | matcz: what *log file evidence* do you have that says your Debian "server" sent the correct IP address to your dynamic DNS service provider? |
| 19:47.11 | matcz | isnt it enought to be able to connect via ip to server which is set in dns settings? |
| 19:47.15 | petn-randall | AciD`: It does? Check for typos. |
| 19:47.26 | greycat | I don't know what the hell "set in dns settings" MEANS! |
| 19:47.34 | AciD` | well, not on my byobu session, this is weird |
| 19:47.37 | matcz | A record in zone |
| 19:48.02 | matcz | set @ for correct-server-ip |
| 19:48.03 | greycat | matcz: HOW did you configure your Debian system to send its DHCP-acquired IP addresses to a dynamic DNS service? |
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| 19:49.54 | AciD` | petn-randall -> sorry this is not in english, but there are only 2 or 3 lines like that : http://paste.debian.net/978554/ |
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| 19:50.23 | raboof | petn-randall: ok, seems like NetworkManager gave the interface an address inconsistent with the range I configured - updated the range and all seems well :) |
| 19:50.24 | matcz | a little bit around but this way: * */6 * * * python2.7 freedns-dyndns.py -n `curl ipinfo.io/ip` ; where *.py is obtained from here: https://freedns.42.pl/freedns-dyndns.py . dynamic didnt work thats why curl |
| 19:50.31 | matcz | crontab -l |
| 19:50.36 | raboof | petn-randall: thanks for the eyeballs ;) |
| 19:50.39 | AciD` | ah nevermind, LC_ALL=C did the trick instead of LANG=C |
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| 19:52.22 | matcz | need to disconnect |
| 19:52.29 | matcz | but i will be back |
| 19:52.39 | matcz | see you later |
| 19:52.57 | petn-randall | AciD`: Nice, can you paste that, and also the output of 'apt-get install -f'? |
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| 19:57.47 | codebam | hey, can someone here help me configure my dac for use on debian? I'm having issues getting mpd to play to it, it should be outputting to pulse, but when I play audio it comes through my speakers |
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| 19:58.45 | donofrio | how many x11 forwards can you do inside a forward? I do one "export DISPLAY=:0.0" to start my need, then I need another one for the ssh -Y in order to get my x11 remote app...but I get "Error: cannot open display: localhost:13.0" :( |
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| 20:00.13 | petn-randall | donofrio: Usually you don't forward X11, but use the intermediate systems as jump hosts with 'ssh -J <jumphost>'. |
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| 20:00.50 | donofrio | never tried -J been using -Y for a decade now when I was told to stop using -X |
| 20:03.45 | AciD` | petn-randall -> http://paste.debian.net/978556/ |
| 20:04.01 | petn-randall | AciD`: thanks |
| 20:04.06 | AciD` | you're welcome |
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| 20:04.50 | petn-randall | AciD`: Does 'dpkg --configure -a' fix this? If not, show us the output. |
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| 20:06.04 | AciD` | http://paste.debian.net/978557/ |
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| 20:08.58 | marioxcc | tpti |
| 20:09.07 | marioxcc | How can I see a list of CHANGES to the set of packages that have become marked as manually installed?. |
| 20:09.16 | petn-randall | AciD`: So something is wrong with the post install script of mariadb-server-10.1, but there's no output from it. At this point it'll get a little hacky. I'd change the shebang to '#!bash -x' in the postinst script, and check that output. |
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| 20:10.21 | pie3 | how to check battery level from terminal? |
| 20:10.29 | petn-randall | AciD`: It'll be in /var/lib/dpkg/info/mariadb-server-10.1.postinst. |
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| 20:10.46 | petn-randall | pie3: Laptop battery? Or other batteries? |
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| 20:11.00 | pie3 | laptop battery pet |
| 20:11.04 | pie3 | petn-randall: |
| 20:11.04 | greycat | marioxcc: I have an incredibly simple and powerful answer to all your aptitude questions, but you won't like it. |
| 20:11.17 | greycat | "Don't use aptitude." |
| 20:11.18 | tharkun | shoot :) |
| 20:11.22 | jmcnaught | marioxcc: come on man, please stop cross posting. Since you're on both networks, do you see anyone else doing that? What makes you so special? |
| 20:11.27 | petn-randall | !tell marioxcc -about crosspost |
| 20:11.38 | marioxcc | greycat: Is aptitude considered unstable? |
| 20:12.07 | greycat | I don't know enough about it to judge whether it's changing more rapidly than the other apt* tools. |
| 20:12.12 | greycat | I just don't use it. |
| 20:12.21 | marioxcc | What do you use then? apt-cache and apt-get? |
| 20:12.24 | greycat | yes |
| 20:12.28 | marioxcc | Ok. |
| 20:13.09 | marioxcc | jmcnaught: I rarely get satisfactory answers in either channel, so I post in both to increase the chances. |
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| 20:13.39 | petn-randall | marioxcc: And you're now getting answers on both channels ... and rants. |
| 20:13.56 | marioxcc | Yes, that is fine. |
| 20:14.02 | marioxcc | They're not duplicates. |
| 20:14.52 | donofrio | petn-randall, I need first display:0.0 in order to get my lightxserv called VcXsrv to connect to the x11 client that is ubuntu 14.04 at this time but I've seen write up how to do this with debian but it is mostly like this - keep in context this is what I am running at work.... https://apaste.info/D5P4 and what it looks like (https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsBlZbBf72iNmf1YPFEhsyp8hw50uA) |
| 20:14.59 | petn-randall | marioxcc: Please don't do that in the future, though. Wait at least 30 minutes before asking in the other network. I've got an evergrowing /ignore list of people that crosspost. |
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| 20:15.25 | marioxcc | petn-randall: Request rejected. |
| 20:15.58 | petn-randall | marioxcc: It's not really up for discussion, it's part of the channel rules and basic netiquette. |
| 20:16.22 | marioxcc | petn-randall: Indeed, it is up to discussion, and IIRC, it's not part of the rules. |
| 20:16.31 | marioxcc | *not up to |
| 20:16.33 | jdfish | ... |
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| 20:16.44 | jdfish | is it normal on this network for people to spam multiple channels at once with support queries? |
| 20:16.47 | jdfish | it gets a bit tedious |
| 20:17.00 | marioxcc | Don't like it, don't answer period. |
| 20:17.03 | marioxcc | Request rejected. |
| 20:17.11 | petn-randall | jdfish: No, and people sometimes get +q or +b for this. |
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| 20:17.34 | jdfish | marioxcc: this is a part of standard IRC etiquette |
| 20:17.48 | marioxcc | I never agreed to follow such a thing. |
| 20:18.00 | marioxcc | It's not up to discussion, as petn-randall correctly noticed. |
| 20:18.01 | greycat | marioxcc: Oh, boy. Keep going so I can +b you. |
| 20:18.02 | AciD` | petn-randall -> this is the output of the postinst script : http://paste.debian.net/978558/ |
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| 20:18.35 | jdfish | marioxcc: your attitude is counterproductive, people are a lot less likely to answer you if you snap back at them |
| 20:18.53 | marioxcc | greycat: For doing what? Because I disagree with you? |
| 20:18.58 | petn-randall | marioxcc: And nobody agreed to support you under this circumstances? Did you at least read the crosspost factoid? |
| 20:19.08 | greycat | For flagrant violation of the stated channel policies. |
| 20:19.22 | greycat | And also for being an asshole about it. |
| 20:19.36 | jdfish | marioxcc: greycat is an op. please, stop, and stick to your query |
| 20:19.43 | marioxcc | greycat: "policy"? I guess you mean the memo somebody added to dpkg. |
| 20:19.43 | petn-randall | ironically notes that getting banned on one or both channels also solves the problem of crossposting. |
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| 20:20.00 | marioxcc | Not a policy, though. |
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| 20:20.10 | marioxcc | ? |
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| 20:27.58 | donofrio | I have been thinking about switching from ubuntu to debian on windows 10 tinyurl.com/wsldistswitch - so how can I do my double x11forward without doing too much changes |
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| 20:29.24 | petn-randall | donofrio: I'm assuming the steps are the same. I don't think a double X11 forwarding is a common use case, though. |
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| 20:31.33 | donofrio | just seems like the ssh.conf changes and etc seemed like a bunch of changes...anyway I can simply just eek out one more x11forward without all the changes...aka thought this was working when I went from windows 7 w/cygwin to windows 10 w/wsl....so close I felt.... |
| 20:32.17 | donofrio | petn-randall, I guess I just want my wsl session to be a jumpbox to my endpoint when I wish to remotly run an x11 app |
| 20:33.05 | petn-randall | donofrio: Then just run 'ssh -X -J <user@jumphost> <user@target>'. |
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| 20:35.58 | AciD` | petn-randall -> for info, I just ran `dpkg --purge remove mariadb-server-10.1 mariadb-server`, then reinstalled it with `apt install mariadb-server` and it worked well |
| 20:36.04 | AciD` | I guess the db was the problem |
| 20:36.21 | petn-randall | AciD`: Ah, I didn't know that you were fine with purging the data. |
| 20:36.40 | AciD` | :> |
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| 20:36.46 | petn-randall | AciD`: And I somehow missed your highlight with the output, sorry. |
| 20:36.51 | AciD` | no pb |
| 20:37.09 | AciD` | I still do not know what went wrong with this script though |
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| 20:37.17 | donofrio | petn-randall, I'm stuck at openssl version 1.0.1f and it doesn't seem to have -J? |
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| 20:40.05 | jmcnaught | donofrio: i think you mean openssh, but the ssh command does not have the -J feature in jessie. You could use ProxyCommand in your ~/.ssh/config though |
| 20:40.24 | jmcnaught | or upgrade to stretch |
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| 20:44.07 | donofrio | jmcnaught, guess I gotta start learning moar ;) thank you all for not kicking me out of this awesome channel..... |
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| 20:46.37 | jmcnaught | donofrio: https://heipei.github.io/2015/02/26/SSH-Agent-Forwarding-considered-harmful/ this shows how to use ProxyCommand. I use it to access hosts that are not directly accessible. |
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| 20:47.35 | greycat | If you're into ProxyCommand, #openssh is a good place to ask. There are one or two people there who really know that stuff. |
| 20:47.45 | greycat | (I'm not one of them.) |
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| 21:04.19 | kahra | guys, would you swap debian testing/unstable for arch linux? |
| 21:04.19 | kahra | i personally wouldn't because debian is so comfy |
| 21:04.43 | klys | no why |
| 21:06.00 | eck | no |
| 21:06.22 | petn-randall | looks at the channel name. |
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| 21:06.31 | petn-randall | kahra: You probably won't find anyone in this channel saying yes. |
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| 21:07.32 | dontknow | kahra, yes |
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| 21:08.16 | petn-randall | BURN THE HERETIC! |
| 21:08.19 | dontknow | but i use stable. if i were using the sid, i would switch to parabola (free arch) |
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| 21:08.24 | petn-randall | grabs the pitchfork. |
| 21:08.40 | dontknow | runs away |
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| 21:10.21 | petn-randall | throws a Debian install CD like a shuriken after dontknow. |
| 21:11.40 | dontknow | responds with rasen shiruken |
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| 21:14.36 | JobEwanKenobi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.46 | Trel | Quick question when setting up a debian machine if it's going to be a TLD, what would I put for the hostname and domain? Host: example, Domain: com? |
| 21:14.56 | Trel | Or would I put it all in one |
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| 21:15.35 | petn-randall | Trel: usually you don't put the TLD as hostname. Pick a name of the server, and add as domain the full domain name. |
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| 21:15.55 | Trel | In this case it's a VM to host a website |
| 21:16.18 | Trel | so in for example, example.com would BE that server. |
| 21:16.29 | petn-randall | Trel: Not that <servername>.<domain>.com is only used for your sanity. All webserver config is done of virtual hosts, anyway. |
| 21:16.35 | petn-randall | *Note |
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| 21:17.05 | petn-randall | Trel: What if you ever add a server to that domain? You'd be in a pickle if you added your first server example.com. |
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| 21:17.29 | Trel | Why? Couldn't the second server be host.example.com ? |
| 21:18.13 | petn-randall | Trel: Sure, but then your first server is 'example.com', and the second one is 'host.example.com', which is very confusing config-wise, and also communication-wise. |
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| 21:19.21 | petn-randall | Trel: Pick a name from your favourite series, movie, anime, greek mythology, etc. Those internal names can then be used internally for logging, debugging, etc. |
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| 21:19.39 | petn-randall | Trel: Note that they are mostly irrelevant for public-facing servers. |
| 21:19.44 | petn-randall | *services |
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| 21:20.27 | Trel | When you say irrelevant for public facing servers, do you mean in that it doesn't matter, or that it's not what you should do in that case? |
| 21:21.12 | petn-randall | Trel: It means that it doesn't matter. Configuring your webserver to respond to 'example.com' and 'www.example.com' will be the same, regardless of how you named it in the first place. |
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| 21:23.01 | jmcnaught | Trel: it's also a matter of consistency. Look at the 'domain' line in resolv.conf (the man page), this for example would be confusing if all your servers are named foo.example.com except one is just example.com |
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| 21:24.16 | Trel | less so if it's a reverse proxy to the sub ones though |
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| 21:25.17 | petn-randall | Trel: Even in that case I gave it a name. It's also easier when communicating with co-workers. "example.com" could otherwise mean both the domain *AND* the server. |
| 21:25.19 | jmcnaught | Trel: or if one day you want to move the website for example.com to a different server, but keep the other server running. |
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| 21:26.37 | Trel | I guess. It just seems redundant in this case. When it's a specific thing per subdomain, that makes sense, but when it's a single server, or a reverse proxy, less so (at least in my opinion) |
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| 21:27.32 | petn-randall | Trel: I'm not stopping you. I'm just passing on tips from 10+ years as sysadmin. :) |
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| 21:28.21 | Trel | I'm saying I agree with you, except in some edge cases. |
| 21:28.41 | Trel | In this case I can probably call it (internally) proxy.example.com |
| 21:29.29 | jmcnaught | Trel: also giving it a hostname that isn't your domain name solves the problem of what to use for your domain name (answer: your domain name :) |
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| 21:29.46 | jmcnaught | it's almost as if the system were designed this way⦠|
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| 21:33.22 | petn-randall | hehe :) |
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| 23:00.56 | dionysus69 | my custom shortcuts stoped working on last update, anyone knows why? I am on gnome |
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| 23:04.29 | mercedes | Hi. I installed Debian+Xfce on my netbook and when I go to "touchpad and mouse settings", I don't see a touchpad tab to enable the option "Tap Touchpad" (left click emulation with the touchpad). |
| 23:04.59 | mercedes | I did `egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps' /proc/bus/input/devices` and it's a ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad |
| 23:05.15 | LtL | dionysus69: just check them, see if they are pointing to the proper target(s) if no adjust accordingly. |
| 23:05.30 | petn-randall | mercedes: Does the touchpad work otherwise in Xfce, though? |
| 23:06.02 | LtL | dionysus69: are you talking about the point release per chance? |
| 23:06.04 | dionysus69 | LtL they are, for example ctrl alt t is for terminal and aims for gnome-terminal command |
| 23:06.09 | mercedes | the touchpad works. it's just that I can't "click" with it |
| 23:06.28 | dionysus69 | I am talking about custom shortcuts one can set from keyboard settings |
| 23:06.30 | dionysus69 | brb |
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| 23:07.22 | rferris | hey all, does anybody have any links where people are talking about aeris? |
| 23:08.06 | freq | rferris: come to ##sh1pwr3ck. that's all that we talk about |
| 23:08.19 | rferris | cool! Thanks |
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| 23:08.39 | mercedes | someone in #xfce explained me that elantech uses the synaptics driver and they told me to ask here |
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| 23:16.49 | PipeItToDevNull | mercedes, what is the issue |
| 23:16.55 | PipeItToDevNull | Fine then. |
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| 23:23.18 | ealfonso | is there a packaged chinese dictionary in debian? |
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| 23:29.07 | nonedead | Is there a date that 8.7 will be EOL? |
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| 23:37.00 | LtL | nonedead: jessie .v8.x is EOL June 6th 2018, Jessie LTS EOL is June 6th 2020 |
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| 23:37.13 | LtL | nonedead: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases#Production_Releases |
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| 23:52.39 | Watcher7 | I can't shake x11 as a dep for QEMU. |
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