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| 00:02.09 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | if it uses ath9k_htc it has to |
| 00:02.22 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | ath9k_htc is the best supported chipset in linux |
| 00:02.51 | jrmu | HEXBATAET_CEKCA: great. I couldn't find any info about host ap mode in the wiki pages. Is this detail in the man pages? |
| 00:03.35 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | jrmu: is that USB wifi dongle or PCI wifi card ? |
| 00:03.52 | jrmu | fantastic. Yeah someone recommended it to me so I bought those cards |
| 00:04.03 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | I know at least ath9k for USB dongle can do hostap |
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| 00:04.35 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | using USB adapter is more ergonomic than PCI card |
| 00:04.53 | jrmu | usb wifi dongle |
| 00:04.53 | jrmu | ath9k or ath9k_htc? I think they are separate chipsets, to add to the confusion |
| 00:04.59 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | you can plug it anywhere, RPi or laptop or regular PC |
| 00:05.09 | Agafnd | erm, what does it mean when your screen flashes bright colors and then shuts down when you hit the power switch |
| 00:06.10 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | I don't know |
| 00:06.55 | jrmu | With openbsd, I could type man athn for information about atheros drivers. I couldn't find the man page on debian after installing the open version of the ath9k_htc firmware. Is there somewhere else I can look for further documentation? |
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| 00:17.11 | Epakai | !atheros |
| 00:17.11 | dpkg | Qualcomm Atheros is a developer of semiconductors. For support of PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with an Atheros chipset, ask me about <ath9k>, <ath5k>. For USB wireless LAN device support, ask me about <ath9k_htc>, <carl9170>, <ar5523>. For Ethernet driver information, see <atl1c>, <alx>, <atl2>, <atl1e>, <atl1>. For Bluetooth device support, see <ath3k>. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/Atheros |
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| 00:20.38 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | !ath9k |
| 00:20.39 | dpkg | ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from userspace. See https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k for more information and supported devices. For Atheros 802.11n USB device support, ask me about <ath9k_htc>, <carl9170>. |
| 00:20.44 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | !ath9k_htc |
| 00:20.45 | dpkg | ath9k_htc is a Linux kernel driver for Atheros AR9271 and AR7010-based 802.11n USB wireless LAN devices, introduced in Linux 2.6.35. Firmware is required, ask me about <atheros firmware> to provide. https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc |
| 00:21.38 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | Sir_Designer: the link https://youtu.be/YM_Mp_Kjvxw from your quit message is not available |
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| 00:23.01 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | !atheros firmware |
| 00:23.02 | dpkg | Firmware from userspace is required by the <ar9170usb>, <ath9k_htc> and <ath3k> USB device drivers. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-atheros package to provide; this package is not required for the <ath5k> or <ath9k> drivers, and not required for any Atheros Ethernet device. Firmware for the <carl9170> driver is provided by the firmware-linux-free package. |
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| 00:26.01 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | why is USB adapters need firmware from userspace and PCI cards doesn't need them ? |
| 00:26.10 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | !non-free sources |
| 00:26.10 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
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| 00:27.42 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | anyone used wifi adapters that support "ac" in linux ? |
| 00:27.46 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | how good "ac" support ? |
| 00:28.25 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | I mean standart that goes after "a/b/g/n" and supports 1GBit/s speed |
| 00:28.36 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | or is it 5GBit/s |
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| 00:29.24 | dvs | HEXBATAET_CEKCA, the support is there but I don't think I get AC speeds. |
| 00:30.39 | tw | tbh, I don't think i've ever achieved >500 Mbps over AC ever. Not even in windows or osx. |
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| 00:33.13 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | how about "n" ? what is the biggest speed in linux anyone had ? 300MBit/s ? |
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| 00:41.32 | dvs | HEXBATAET_CEKCA, I've gotten close to top speed with N connections |
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| 00:45.06 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | did it melted the dongle ? |
| 00:45.06 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | I mean for how long was the transaction going ? 10 seconds ? 1 hour ? |
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| 00:51.40 | dvs | HEXBATAET_CEKCA, I wasn't using a dongle. It's built into the laptop |
| 00:52.40 | jrmu | Epakaim HEXBATAET_CEKCA: sorrym was away. The ath9k_htc has proprietary binary firmware but you need to compile the open firmware. I compiled it last night and it seems to be working, but haven't had a chance to test it on a wifi access point yet |
| 00:52.53 | jrmu | the documentation didn't say anything about host ap support though. I would like to turn my debian pc into an access point if possible. |
| 00:53.07 | QualityAddict | HEXBATAET_CEKCA: I use an Edimax AC1750 USB wifi adapter using a driver from GitHub and it's wonderful. |
| 00:53.54 | jrmu | HEXBATAET_CEKCA: the wiki page says that they are planning to upload the binaries built from source soon, but for some reason it's not part of the main in debian yet. I'm not sure why |
| 00:54.42 | jrmu | Does the Edimax AC1750 support host ap mode? |
| 00:55.04 | __Ozy__ | Does anyone know if there's a repo that has the dbgsym files for debian-security updates? |
| 00:55.08 | QualityAddict | jrmu: Not sure |
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| 00:56.44 | jrmu | no problem, thanks anyway |
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| 01:01.13 | Sabotender | I'm trying to get some help with a KDE scaling issue ive been having |
| 01:02.18 | Sabotender | I've been crawling on google and have found some imformation that may work for me, but as it doesn't specifically list my distro as the target (my distro is Debiam) I am unsure whether or not it is appropriate to use. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI#Using_KDE_system_settings |
| 01:02.45 | PipeItToDevNull | Sabotender, the arch wiki is the best source for everything |
| 01:03.18 | Sabotender | PipeItToDevNull: You see, that's the kind of response a suspect troll would provide. ;-) How do I know that you are being serious? |
| 01:03.41 | PipeItToDevNull | it is the arch wiki, hop in any Linux channel and ask about the Arch Wiki |
| 01:03.57 | PipeItToDevNull | #Manjaro, #Antergos, #Ubuntu, any of them |
| 01:04.09 | PipeItToDevNull | Well, the first two are bad examples |
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| 01:04.22 | __Ozy__ | "Ask Arch, Arch, and Ubuntu" ;P |
| 01:04.24 | Sabotender | Well, I have only heard of Arch from passing conversation, I do not know much about it |
| 01:04.25 | PipeItToDevNull | =P |
| 01:05.10 | PipeItToDevNull | Sabotender, it is just another distro, but what you linked is about KDE, not arch specifically, you only have to care when it mentions packages, becuase the names or versions may be different |
| 01:05.21 | Sabotender | same with Gentoo, and SUSE. I've tried Fedora, and will never again, it made me so mad. |
| 01:05.41 | PipeItToDevNull | Gentoo is just for neckbeards |
| 01:05.50 | Sabotender | PipeItToDevNull: see that is what I was wondering; if KDE is KDE regardless of distro |
| 01:06.04 | __Ozy__ | Sabotender: Additionally, if you're on stable, keep in mind that they'll generally be referencing significantly newer packages. So, some features/settings may not be applicable. |
| 01:06.10 | PipeItToDevNull | Sabotender, yes, versions may be different, but that doesnt mention anything being version specific |
| 01:06.30 | tw | Usually the documentation isn't as new as the package versions, as is often the case. |
| 01:06.36 | tw | ;) |
| 01:07.19 | __Ozy__ | I'd had some issues towards the end of Jessie where I would try to use the arch wiki, and some setting it was referencing was from a newer version of Gnome. Not that it's likely right now ;P |
| 01:07.22 | Sabotender | Just to give you an idea of the scaling problem I am dealing with, I made a screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cu1msxg166xqiyw/Screenshot_20170728_194442.png |
| 01:07.46 | Sabotender | __Ozy__: I *think* I am on stable. |
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| 01:08.31 | Sabotender | okay well in that case, I will try to follow some of the items in that link I posted |
| 01:08.43 | Sabotender | to fix the KDE JumboTron mode |
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| 01:09.20 | __Ozy__ | Might as well try it. The setting appears to be there, although it's defaulted to as small as it'll go for me... |
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| 01:13.33 | __Ozy__ | I enjoy that dropbox's website shows you all the possible error links when trying to reset your password on the png page if you don't have scripts enabled. |
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| 01:15.26 | Sabotender | is the tray bar equal to the task bar in windows? |
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| 01:15.49 | Sabotender | I don't understand all these unique names which mean the exact same thing |
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| 01:16.49 | PipeItToDevNull | Sabotender, tray, panel, bar, they all are basically the same |
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| 01:55.46 | mwsd82 | Hi there, I using debian 9 and want to create a usb iso of Windows. There is a easy way to build it with the command line? |
| 01:56.00 | mwsd82 | *is there |
| 01:56.39 | bazhang | mwsd82, use the windows tools to do that |
| 01:57.13 | bazhang | mwsd82, where'd the iso come from |
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| 01:58.12 | mwsd82 | Well in this case I don't have any machine with windows here, in fact I download it from a friend's drive and want to create a bootable disk of windows |
| 01:58.17 | mwsd82 | =) |
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| 01:59.24 | mwsd82 | The usb was already formated with mkfs.vfat |
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| 02:02.50 | mwsd82 | I found it: dd bs=4M if=linux.iso of=/dev/sdb but in my case it is an windows.iso |
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| 02:03.13 | mwsd82 | bazhang, do you know any troubleshoot to solve it? |
| 02:03.23 | sypher | mwsd82: That will not work. Windows ISOs aren't configured to be directly written in such a way. |
| 02:03.47 | mutante | mwsd82: that won't work "To make the USB drive bootable, you need to run a tool named bootsect.exe. In" |
| 02:04.02 | sypher | mwsd82: This is the only project I know of to do this. https://github.com/slacka/WoeUSB |
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| 02:05.09 | mwsd82 | mutante or rufus in windows environment but this is not an option... |
| 02:05.18 | mwsd82 | sypher, investiganting that |
| 02:05.27 | mwsd82 | Thank you! |
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| 03:11.27 | Rembo | hello everyone, is there a way to upgrade debian 6 via sources ? |
| 03:11.57 | Rembo | also, when i try to start apache i'm getting this: apache2: Syntax error on line 203 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/rpaf.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_rpaf.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_rpaf.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 |
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| 03:12.58 | Rembo | apache2: Syntax error on line 203 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/rpaf.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_rpaf.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_rpaf.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 03:13.08 | Rembo | after i remove mod_rpaf.so |
| 03:13.57 | Rembo | can someone help? |
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| 03:14.13 | beingbrown | not familiar with apache, but you should be able to roll your debian install forward using sources. i rolled mine forward from 8 to 9 recently following this: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-upgrade-debian-8-jessie-to-debian-9-stretch |
| 03:15.53 | Rembo | can i upgrade without reinstall ? |
| 03:16.16 | beingbrown | you should be able to, yes. |
| 03:16.24 | beingbrown | just make sure whatever packages you have, they're still in the new repos. |
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| 03:22.30 | Rembo | beingbrown, before i upgrade, is there a way to fix this apache issue? |
| 03:22.51 | Rembo | Syntax error on line 203 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/rpaf.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_rpaf.so into server: |
| 03:22.56 | beingbrown | sure. but to do that, you have to know how. :-/ I don't know the root cause of what you're encountering. |
| 03:23.20 | Rembo | beingbrown: i'm missing this file /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_rpaf.so |
| 03:23.37 | Rembo | where i can get this file? |
| 03:23.42 | beingbrown | i can't help you with that, Rembo |
| 03:23.49 | beingbrown | I don't know, as I've said. |
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| 03:27.32 | Rembo | beingbrown, were i can find sources to install packages for debian 6 ? |
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| 03:30.04 | tw | squeeze is dead, long live stretch. |
| 03:30.08 | tw | Rembo: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze |
| 03:30.18 | tw | at the bottom, there are sources.list entries. |
| 03:31.13 | tw | I highly recommend you migrate off at the earliest possible since you're no longer getting security updates. |
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| 03:35.55 | Rembo | tw: W: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org squeeze-lts Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 |
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| 04:30.32 | cruncher | Rembo, if you are missing that file, try libapache2-mod-rpaf |
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| 04:45.44 | xormor | who wants a partial Finnish translation of omega-rpg C source code here? it is from the Debian repo source. |
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| 04:46.31 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | I heard its possible to "install debian" on android, where can I find this "debian for android" ? |
| 04:46.39 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | is there channel related to it ? |
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| 04:58.47 | nkuttler | HEXBATAET_CEKCA: what do you mean? install debian in a vm inside android? or install debian on hardware that usually runs android? |
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| 05:04.31 | HEXBATAET_CEKCA | nkuttler: I think its "chroot" environment with all libraris and binaries from debian but they use android kernel to run, that is all I know |
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| 05:07.30 | mwsd82 | hi there, how can I format and make the usb bootable using mkdosfs -F 32 -I /dev/sdxx --- or --- mkfs.vfat -I /dev/sdb ??? |
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| 05:10.30 | jmcnaught | mwsd82: what is going to be booting from it? |
| 05:10.54 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell mwsd82 -about crosspost |
| 05:11.12 | mwsd82 | I cannot make the partition bootable with gparted |
| 05:11.42 | mwsd82 | so I am try to find how can I do that with fdisk |
| 05:12.08 | mwsd82 | Well, I already format it in fat32 |
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| 05:12.27 | mwsd82 | just need to make it bootable |
| 05:12.44 | mwsd82 | how can I do that jmcnaught ? |
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| 05:14.23 | jmcnaught | mwsd82: what operating system is going to boot off of this unpartitioned filesystem on a USB stick? |
| 05:15.07 | mwsd82 | Windows |
| 05:16.02 | mwsd82 | I'm in debian and dont have any windows machine in order to use rufus or other similar. |
| 05:16.54 | mwsd82 | How can I set a partition as bootable with fdisk or other tool in debian? |
| 05:17.14 | jmcnaught | there is probably a little more involved than making a FAT filesystem and setting a bootable flag on a partition |
| 05:17.24 | mwsd82 | I know |
| 05:17.45 | mwsd82 | but for now, I just want to know how to make it bootable, |
| 05:18.03 | jmcnaught | mwsd82: inside fdisk type 'm' to see the help. The first one is 'a' to toggle a bootable flag. |
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| 05:22.00 | mwsd82 | jmcnaught, I'm in the man and the first option is "l" then "b#... |
| 05:22.35 | jmcnaught | mwsd82: I wasn't talking about the man page |
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| 05:24.17 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. flashplugin-nonfree was taken out of Stretch, but is it still in Jessie? |
| 05:25.02 | segin | mwsd82: You can use `gparted` if you would like a GUI tool. |
| 05:25.09 | jmcnaught | mwsd82: oh i was looking at some old notes. you may need to create a new DOS partition table if the USB is using GPT (which has not concept of bootable) |
| 05:25.16 | jordanm | Lady_Aleena: sounds right, adobe stopped maintaining it years ago |
| 05:25.47 | jordanm | Lady_Aleena: the only linux flash still maintained is built-in to proprietary google-chrome |
| 05:26.00 | jmcnaught | well they continued to make security updates but stopped adding features for the Linux version. Adobe did announce that Flash will be dead at the end of 2020 though |
| 05:26.27 | jordanm | I am pretty sure they were not making security updates to the linux version |
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| 05:27.50 | mwsd82 | segin, gparted is not working pretty well, after unmount formating and try to make it bootable the option manage flags appears disabled. So, it is not a option. |
| 05:28.01 | jmcnaught | jordanm: well you're wrong, and Adobe later started making NPAPI flash for Linux again at the same version as other platforms. The current release for Linux is 26.0.0.137, same as Windows and Mac |
| 05:28.30 | jordanm | yeah, I just checked, you are right |
| 05:28.49 | jordanm | here is the RC bug that kept flashplugin-nonfree out of stretch: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851066 |
| 05:28.50 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/851066 in flashplugin-nonfree (open, security): «flashplugin-nonfree: Mismatch between detected and available versions (Download file not available at people.debian.org)»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-01-11; last modified: 2017-07-12. |
| 05:28.50 | mwsd82 | jmcnaught, I already create the DOS partition dude, well I tried with dos fat and ntfs |
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| 05:31.04 | jmcnaught | mwsd82: and for a DOS partition table (I have none anymore) does fdisk list a command to make a partition bootable when you press 'm' to see the help menu? |
| 05:31.31 | badargo | im trying to echo #CLASSPATH but get no result. do i have to create it? |
| 05:31.47 | mwsd82 | Yes a troogle bootable flag |
| 05:32.01 | mwsd82 | but I dont know how to use the option a |
| 05:32.06 | mwsd82 | =( |
| 05:32.10 | jmcnaught | mwsd82: press 'a' |
| 05:33.00 | jordanm | badargo: assuming you mean $CLASSPATH for java, maybe, depends on what you are doing |
| 05:33.03 | jmcnaught | and it was still the first one listed on a dos partition type now that i found one |
| 05:33.16 | badargo | jordanm: yes its for java |
| 05:33.35 | jordanm | badargo: what java app are you trying to run? |
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| 05:35.17 | mwsd82 | jmcnaught, : No partition is defined yet ... Fist time using fdisk inside |
| 05:35.22 | mwsd82 | dev/sdb |
| 05:35.32 | badargo | jordanm: i downloaded and installed sdk, i made a couple java files and im trying to run them but it only works if im on their directory, otherwise i get the error "could not find or load main class Java" |
| 05:35.40 | mwsd82 | try to remove it with the option d |
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| 05:35.52 | mwsd82 | culdn't |
| 05:36.04 | badargo | jordanm: so i take i have to either add or edit this class path |
| 05:36.11 | mwsd82 | try to create a new on with the option o |
| 05:36.20 | mwsd82 | Couldn't |
| 05:36.22 | mwsd82 | =( |
| 05:36.54 | jordanm | badargo: you can specify a classpath with java -cp, but I believe most let their IDE (or build system) sort out that kind of thing |
| 05:37.30 | jmcnaught | mwsd82: 'p' to see a list of partitions. /dev/sdb is a device, /dev/sdb1 is first partition on that device. 'n' to create a new partition. |
| 05:37.36 | jordanm | I have worked java build systems, but not enough development myself to make suggestions there |
| 05:39.11 | mwsd82 | I could! |
| 05:39.12 | mwsd82 | =P |
| 05:39.29 | mwsd82 | Thanks! a lot dude!!! |
| 05:39.32 | mwsd82 | =D |
| 05:39.47 | badargo | jordanm: im using vim, i think it doesnt support that, like other ides... so i rly have installed jdk but no class path was created and i have to create one on my own wit -cp command right? |
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| 05:42.58 | jordanm | badargo: -cp /some/path specifies a classpath to use, it doesn't create one |
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| 05:54.48 | Sabotender | hi, I am having the issue of no xorg.conf file, and tried to create it, but got the error, "Number of screens does not match the number of detected devices" |
| 05:54.55 | Sabotender | I was trying to follow the steps per: https://wiki.debian.org/Xorg#What_if_I_do_not_have_an_xorg_config_file.3F |
| 05:55.22 | Sabotender | so this caused a problem and I temporarily broke lightdm |
| 05:55.38 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: can you show the file? |
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| 05:55.49 | Sabotender | show what file? |
| 05:55.53 | Sabotender | no, I deleted it |
| 05:55.57 | Sabotender | because I had no desktop |
| 05:56.16 | jmcnaught | and without the file you do have a desktop? |
| 05:56.27 | Sabotender | yes |
| 05:56.42 | jmcnaught | I propose not having xorg.conf as a solution. |
| 05:56.53 | Sabotender | according to that page it says that Xorg will probe my hardware on every startup |
| 05:57.10 | Sabotender | but some settings are inaccessible |
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| 05:58.26 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: Yes Xorg reliably auto detects and configures most people's hardware for years now, making xorg.conf only necessary if you want to override something. |
| 05:59.02 | Sabotender | yes, I want to override something. Can I just create an Xorg.conf file and add just what I want to modify and leave the rest empty |
| 05:59.44 | Sabotender | I am trying to make this permanent as per: http://www.thelinuxrain.com/articles/got-tearing-with-proprietary-nvidia-try-this |
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| 06:00.53 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: you can make a directory /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and put files in it that contain snippets of only the section you want to override. see "man xorg.conf" |
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| 06:02.42 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: so you don't need a full xorg.conf file, just a file in that directory that has something like 'Section "Screen" \ Option foobar⦠\ EndSection' |
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| 06:04.01 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: if you make a new conf file and Xorg doesn't start again, instead of deleting it move it to another directory, so that you can show the file that causes the problem. |
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| 06:05.40 | mwsd82 | jmcnaught, it works!!!! |
| 06:05.54 | mwsd82 | Unetbootin |
| 06:06.00 | mwsd82 | =) |
| 06:06.05 | mwsd82 | =D |
| 06:06.17 | jmcnaught | mwsd82: glad you figured it out |
| 06:06.30 | nosbig | Having some trouble with Apache on Debian, hoping someone can help... Trying to load a PHP application that uses rewrites. On HTTP, the app loads fine. On HTTPS (which is copied from HTTP), I get the base content of the page, but the style sheets are not loaded as the application is supposed to redirect <app>/css/fonts.css to <app>/public/css/fonts.css. On the HTTP side, I see lots of detail as the log |
| 06:06.36 | nosbig | level is trace6 for rewrite. I do the same to the HTTPS configuration, and I see no information as if Rewrite was even in use. |
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| 06:08.57 | jmcnaught | nosbig: can you show us the file for the site from /etc/apache2/sites-available/ in a paste? |
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| 06:12.12 | nosbig | https://pastebin.com/xBHrrWpw |
| 06:13.40 | jmcnaught | nosbig: where are the rewrite rules? |
| 06:14.26 | nosbig | They are in the application's .htaccess. I'll toss those in a paste. |
| 06:14.52 | jmcnaught | nosbig: please use http://paste.debian.net/ because pastebin has ads and sometimes forces captchas |
| 06:15.03 | nosbig | Will do. |
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| 06:15.43 | jmcnaught | is there another site conf file for HTTP? Is that just a redirect to HTTPS? |
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| 06:16.46 | Sabotender | jmcnaught: for a new .conf file put in xorg.conf.d, do they have to be of a specific filename or can they be anything like....no-screen-tearing.conf |
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| 06:17.50 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: anything meaningful is fine. Look in "man xorg.conf" to see if a certain file extention is mandatory |
| 06:18.16 | Sabotender | looks like .conf is needed |
| 06:18.22 | Sabotender | from what I was reading |
| 06:18.28 | jmcnaught | cool |
| 06:18.46 | nosbig | http://paste.debian.net/978721/ |
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| 06:24.39 | jmcnaught | nosbig: while not directly related to your problem, if you have control of the webserver than there is no good reason to even use .htaccess files, and redirect rules in them can impact performance. https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/howto/htaccess.html#when |
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| 06:26.52 | nosbig | jmcnaught: For this specific case, I planned to let the application handle its specific rewrite rules, but I was planning on using a redirect alias directive in the HTTP config when I get this last application to behave via HTTPS. I will also paste the HTTP configuration as it is. |
| 06:28.14 | Sabotender | is 'Log Out' supposed to put me at a blinking cursor? |
| 06:28.32 | Sabotender | I thought it was supposed to launch lightdm again for the login screen |
| 06:28.42 | jmcnaught | it'll be easier to troubleshoot with all of the configuration related to the site in one place |
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| 06:29.09 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: no that doesn't sound right. is this after making a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ? |
| 06:29.13 | nosbig | HTTP site config: http://paste.debian.net/978722/ |
| 06:29.47 | Sabotender | jmcnaught: no, I was actually just logging out so I could test the new .conf file I created |
| 06:29.55 | Sabotender | and it put me at a blinking cursor |
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| 06:30.19 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: so yes? |
| 06:31.05 | Sabotender | failed to start Light DM Display manager |
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| 06:31.19 | Sabotender | guess I have to delete that file again, and give up |
| 06:31.34 | Sabotender | I'll just use that command at every boot to fix the screen tearing |
| 06:31.36 | borgdrone7 | Hi, I have node js express app running on port 8777 (0.0.0.0:8777) I can access it locally from curl 127.0.0.1:8777 but not remotely. I also have nginx there listening on port 80 and it works from outside. Even if I do iptables -F it still doesn't work. Any idea? |
| 06:31.49 | Sabotender | I was trying to automate it, but its being finiky |
| 06:32.05 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: what is in the file? if you want help you have to show what you're doing |
| 06:32.15 | Sabotender | I cant show crap if I don't have a desktop |
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| 06:32.31 | Sabotender | I don't know how to do basically anything in a console |
| 06:32.50 | Sabotender | besides simple stuff like changing directories and deleting files |
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| 06:33.42 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: "mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/DONTTYPETHIS.conf /tmp/" |
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| 06:35.33 | jpgg | i have autoremoved a package (specifically nginx) and installed it again, but it did not create /etc/nginx.conf. Only empty directories where created. How can I install it again normally? |
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| 06:36.50 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell jpgg about confmiss |
| 06:36.52 | Lady_Aleena | Hello again. Is there a way to install the nvidia nonfree driver during the installation of Debian, and not after the installation? |
| 06:38.05 | Lady_Aleena | ...So I can have the driver from go instead of having to set things up to get it later? |
| 06:38.24 | Cl0udN9ne | Sabotender: if your on a terminal,and want to paste a file to a paste site,use pastebinit |
| 06:38.24 | Sabotender | jmcnaught: do you want me to pastebin the .conf file? |
| 06:38.28 | jmcnaught | it would be more difficult to do that than to install the packages after the first boot |
| 06:38.30 | Cl0udN9ne | apt-get pastebinit |
| 06:39.22 | Lady_Aleena | The reason I ask is that without the nvidia driver, this system is hard to use because the video is all wonky. |
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| 06:39.59 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: some cards need firmwares from non-free in stretch that didn't need them in jessie |
| 06:40.28 | jmcnaught | for nouveau and the intel driver (for sky lake and newer GPUs) |
| 06:40.29 | Sabotender | jmcnaught: https://paste.debian.net/978723/ |
| 06:40.41 | Sabotender | I also have the file itself in dropbox if you want the original |
| 06:40.42 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, and they are not available until AFTER I install and boot into Debian the first time? |
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| 06:43.00 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: in the installer you can execute a shell in the target, but I think it is easier do things like install proprietary drivers after the first boot |
| 06:44.18 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, one would think things like drivers would be part of the initial installation. |
| 06:44.24 | nosbig | jmcnaught: Any thoughts yet? |
| 06:44.26 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: you should also look at ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:44.59 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, I'll go quiet now and let you finish up with Sabotender first. |
| 06:45.26 | nosbig | Lady_Aleena: You have to consider Debian's policies and stance on free software... The Nouveau drivers work fine for basic tasks, and they are fully open-source. Those are the defaults. |
| 06:45.46 | jmcnaught | nosbig: I'll let you know if I see something but I was mostly helping you assemble information necessary for anyone here to help you figure out the problem |
| 06:45.51 | Sabotender | Lady_Aleena: no need, I am now looking at other options |
| 06:46.07 | Sabotender | I am getting information to create a script that will run nvidia-settings --assign CurrentMetaMode="nvidia-auto-select +0+0 { ForceCompositionPipeline = On }" at every boot |
| 06:46.13 | nosbig | Lady_Aleena: The only time I have had to deal with install issues is microcode for an Intel NIC, and I had to grab the non-free package manually on a flash drive to finish the net install. |
| 06:46.20 | Sabotender | but thanks |
| 06:46.20 | nosbig | jmcnaught: That's cool. |
| 06:46.22 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: not non-free drivers in a distro like Debian though |
| 06:46.44 | Lady_Aleena | nosbig, Nouveau doesn't do the job with this system. |
| 06:47.36 | Lady_Aleena | Nouveau doesn't allow for any type of smooth scrolling in any program. |
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| 06:47.40 | Sabotender | Lady_Aleena: yeah, Nouveau is pretty craptastic on my hardware as well |
| 06:47.46 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: does it do a well enough job for the few minutes it takes to install the nvidia packages? |
| 06:47.56 | Cl0udN9ne | i think theres a stretch image preloaded with non-free drivers,Lady_Aleena |
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| 06:49.17 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, if I want a headache. |
| 06:49.35 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: what if you switch to a virtual console? |
| 06:49.49 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, virtual console? |
| 06:50.33 | Sabotender | ctrl + alt + f1 or something |
| 06:50.36 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: aka a tty, get there by pressing ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 06:50.41 | Sabotender | that too |
| 06:50.54 | Sabotender | I just recently discovered what that was myself |
| 06:51.07 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, is that the thing that takes me out of my DE and gets me stuck there? |
| 06:51.11 | jmcnaught | nosbig: your virtualhost for HTTP, is it your intention to redirect all HTTP traffic to HTTPS? |
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| 06:51.56 | jmcnaught | yeah, that's what you'd be using in the installer (or if you're in the graphical installer you're probably using nouveau) |
| 06:52.31 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, if nosbig needs help with something, I can wait. |
| 06:52.44 | Cl0udN9ne | Lady_Aleena: your Window manager runs in a tty |
| 06:52.50 | locrian9 | Does anyone know some good active irc channels for troubleshooting cisco network related equipment (eg ASA5505's)? I'm already waiting on #cisco and #networking for a reply... |
| 06:52.59 | Lady_Aleena | googles tty. |
| 06:53.04 | Cl0udN9ne | idk if your de runs the ttys or something |
| 06:54.12 | jmcnaught | it used to be that there were six ttys created on boot with login prompts on them, and Xorg would run on tty7. Now Xorg runs on the tty it was started from |
| 06:54.20 | nosbig | jmcnaught: Once I figure out the issue with Selfoss, then yes. Currently, it makes a good reference to know that the application works on the HTTP site currently. |
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| 06:54.36 | Lady_Aleena | Cl0udN9ne, I have kde. |
| 06:54.59 | Cl0udN9ne | Lady_Aleena: for example,my Gnome shell runs on tty2 |
| 06:55.34 | jmcnaught | nosbig: why do you not have ServerName defined in either VirtualHost? |
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| 06:55.56 | Cl0udN9ne | jmcnaught: does the kernel create the ttys(all of them) ? |
| 06:56.40 | Lady_Aleena | Cl0udN9ne, I know nothing of tty unless I know things I don't know are part of tty. |
| 06:57.14 | jmcnaught | Cl0udN9ne: your display manager uses a tty, and getty@.service opens others on demand |
| 06:57.24 | Cl0udN9ne | ok |
| 06:57.29 | Sabotender | can someone help me make a bash script that contains this command: nvidia-settings --assign CurrentMetaMode="nvidia-auto-select +0+0 { ForceCompositionPipeline = On }" |
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| 06:57.32 | Cl0udN9ne | so its getty |
| 06:57.59 | jmcnaught | Cl0udN9ne: "man systemd-getty-generator" |
| 06:58.10 | Sabotender | I want to use a script that will run automatically at login |
| 06:59.11 | Sabotender | or maybe something I can double click on as an icon that will execute and give me the same results would be fine as well |
| 06:59.54 | Sabotender | if I must, I guess I can create a text file that has that command and I can copy paste into a terminal window at every boot if no one has any idea how to perform what I want to accomplish |
| 06:59.59 | Sabotender | whichever is easiest |
| 07:00.14 | Cl0udN9ne | Sabotender: your window manager may hav options to create a icon for the bash script ... like click tht icon and execute it |
| 07:00.21 | nosbig | jmcnaught: I had it in there at one point, but removed it for publishing. It was in the HTTP only, but it was going to be migrated to the HTTPS. |
| 07:00.24 | Cl0udN9ne | idk what its called |
| 07:00.59 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: can you run "type nvidia-settings"? |
| 07:01.18 | jmcnaught | nosbig: they both need it |
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| 07:01.54 | Cl0udN9ne | brb |
| 07:02.55 | Sabotender | looks like lightdm crashed again |
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| 07:04.08 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: show us your Xorg.0.log in a paste. And did you run that type command? |
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| 07:07.03 | Sabotender | I had to restart my computer. |
| 07:07.23 | Sabotender | just a moment. My drive is encrypted and I have to type in the password every time |
| 07:08.49 | Lady_Aleena | will come back later after she's had some more time to think. |
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| 07:08.57 | Sabotender | where is Xorg.0.log? I think you mentioned that somewhere above |
| 07:09.51 | Sabotender | jmcnaught: nvidia-settings is /usr/bin/nvidia-settings |
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| 07:11.16 | jmcnaught | nosbig: Also look at https://wiki.apache.org/httpd/RedirectSSL for how to redirect all HTTP to HTTPS. I simply put the VirtualHosts for both :80 and :443 in the same file, since the one for HTTP is only two lines long. That way it's a single site to manage with a2ensite/a2dissite |
| 07:12.17 | Sabotender | jmcnaught: Xorg.0.log does not exist |
| 07:12.19 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: is that command something that needs to run once Xorg has already started? |
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| 07:12.37 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: where did you look? in ~/.local/share/xorg/ ? |
| 07:13.01 | Sabotender | there is no xorg directory |
| 07:13.18 | Sabotender | under ~/.local/share |
| 07:13.36 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: is that file in /var/log/ ? |
| 07:14.02 | Sabotender | yes |
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| 07:16.24 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: this is a systemd service unit. You can put it in /etc/systemd/system/nvidia-settings-local.service and then enable it with "systemctl enable nvidia-settings-local.service" so it will start at boot: http://paste.debian.net/978727/ |
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| 07:17.25 | Sabotender | jmcnaught: https://paste.debian.net/978728/ |
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| 07:17.41 | Sabotender | that's the Xorg.0.log |
| 07:17.56 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: or if you're supposed to run that nvidia-settings command as a regular user, not as root, put that file in /etc/systemd/user/ instead, and as a user to "systemctl --user enable nvidia-settings-local.service" |
| 07:18.43 | Sabotender | I am trying to figure out if it is causing lightdm to break first. I am going to try to log out and log back in to see if I get the blinking cursor or the login window |
| 07:18.59 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: that looks like a successful one. Xorg.0.log is the most recent time Xorg was run. Xorg.1.log is the previous time. So if you already started a new X session we need the older file |
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| 07:21.22 | Sabotender | okay, I think it just didn't like the existence of a xorg.d.conf directory |
| 07:21.50 | Sabotender | which I had deleted, so it looks like I am good to try to create a script that will run that nvidia-settings command at login |
| 07:22.19 | Sabotender | jmcnaught: yeah, the command is not meant to be run as root |
| 07:22.19 | gp__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.25 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: you mean xorg.conf.d. and there should be no problem with that directory existing but not being empty. The logs would say for sure if that was the problem |
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| 07:23.27 | gp__ | oh nvm got it: xset |
| 07:23.51 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: okay so you can still have it run every time you log in but you have to change WantedBy=default.target and enable it in your user systemd instance |
| 07:24.26 | Sabotender | what is "nvidia-settings-local.service"? |
| 07:24.46 | Sabotender | im getting really confused |
| 07:25.40 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: "man systemd.service" and "systemd.unit" have the details. A service unit is a file that tells systemd how to start or run something |
| 07:26.00 | Sabotender | I think there was a problem with the system coming back from a display turn off |
| 07:26.04 | Sabotender | let me check |
| 07:26.43 | Sabotender | I think its going to be a lot easier for me to just create a text file with that command pasted there, so I can copy and paste it into a terminal window and run the command manually. |
| 07:26.49 | Sabotender | because I really don't know what I am doing |
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| 07:28.25 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: if you're going to do that then put #!/bin/sh on the first line and you can make it a script. But you asked for a way to run that command at boot, and systemd units an easy way to do that |
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| 07:29.46 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: http://paste.debian.net/978732/ is a corrected .service file (you can name it whatever you want) where I corrected Name= (should have been Description=, it's late) and changed the target to default |
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| 07:31.37 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: if you put that in /etc/systemd/user/ you can as a user run "systemctl --user start nameofservice" to run it, "systemctl --user status nameofâ¦" to see if it ran okay, "systemctl --user enable nameofâ¦" to have it run when you log in. It could probably be improved upon further. |
| 07:32.01 | Sabotender | does that install a service? |
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| 07:34.50 | jmcnaught | the service is the command run by ExecStart= in the .service file |
| 07:35.44 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: or you can go back to configuring it in xorg.conf.d, you never shared a paste from a failed Xorg start up |
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| 07:37.27 | Sabotender | I created the 'script' in a text file on my desktop. I haven't tested running it though. I was just planning on copy-pasting into a terminal window. None of this is really easy for me to accomplish, besides the simple copy-paste |
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| 07:38.27 | Sabotender | I wish there were a GUI where I could paste that command and select something like, 'run after login'. |
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| 07:38.38 | Sabotender | I really prefer GUI stuff |
| 07:38.44 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: to make a script executable you run "chmod +x /path/to/script" then you can run it with "/path/to/script". If you put the script in ~/bin than you can just run it by file name |
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| 07:40.03 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: most desktop environments have a feature for autostarting applications but some like GNOME can only start applications that are in the standard menus (because they have a .desktop file) |
| 07:41.20 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: there's probably also a script that you can use to run every time you log into X11 but I forget what it would be called because it's been years since I've had to do any weird stuff like that |
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| 07:41.59 | Sabotender | jmcnaught: eh its no big deal. I ran +x on that file, I am going to log out and test it |
| 07:42.20 | jmcnaught | probably there's a correct way to do it in xorg.conf but it will take looking at the logs to see *why* it fails |
| 07:43.38 | Sabotender | well, if you want to see if we can get it to work that way, sure. We can try. I am just telling you that I know how to do almost nothing in a terminal and I do most of my stuff in a GUI |
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| 07:44.18 | Sabotender | okay the script works well, double click and it runs beautifully |
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| 07:49.53 | cujotus | really good customation |
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| 07:53.07 | Math_ | cujotus, you live in USA ? |
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| 07:53.33 | samiam | hello |
| 07:53.56 | Sabotender | heh I didn't think so; I'll just stick with the script on the desktop. I'll run it myself at every start up |
| 07:54.05 | samiam | nobodies awake huh |
| 07:54.19 | Sabotender | since autostart scripts seems like pulling teeth |
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| 07:57.59 | samiam | reeeeeeeeeee |
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| 08:00.19 | samiam | REEEEEEEEEE |
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| 08:03.22 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: it's really not that hard but it will take learning more fundamentals |
| 08:03.33 | gp__ | Hi, After doing this, http://stdio.tumblr.com/post/114082931782, i am getting DejaVu Sans instead of Noto Sans.. any idea why? |
| 08:04.01 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: if you want to learn https://www.debian.org/doc/ is a good starting point |
| 08:05.01 | christopher | salutes Debian |
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| 08:15.29 | gp__ | nvm got it, had to run fc-cache |
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| 08:17.18 | cujotus | Math_: Finland |
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| 08:17.21 | cujotus | :) |
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| 08:17.33 | antoniooohhh | .. |
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| 08:18.07 | Math_ | ok cujotus |
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| 08:18.57 | Sabotender | trying to find appropriate extraction utility for XFCE |
| 08:19.10 | cujotus | xfce rox too |
| 08:20.08 | Sabotender | hmm looks like xfce uses Thunar |
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| 08:21.26 | Sabotender | hum, guess not |
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| 08:24.58 | aZz7eCh | guys, how are yas? pulling my hair out trying to set dhcpcd.conf wpa_supplicant.conf network/interfaces to static ip for two separate wifi networks i connect to. network 1 has an ip range of x ... network 2 has an ip range of x ... i need to set static ip for both possible routers. been at this all day with no luck ... these are my files roughly as i have them now: https://hastebin.com/axuwekeqed.coffeescript |
| 08:25.20 | aZz7eCh | network 2 has an ip range of y * obviously |
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| 08:33.56 | jolt | aZz7eCh: Normally you would assign a static ip in the DHCP server is all I can say (but I have never used dhcpcd= |
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| 08:34.50 | jolt | aZz7eCh: And your conf mentions arping, so isn't it a mac-address you should use instead of an IP? |
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| 08:35.12 | jolt | (all just guesses from my side) |
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| 08:37.23 | aZz7eCh | i have no idea |
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| 08:37.41 | aZz7eCh | the only two google findable guides/help on the issue ... specify the router ip |
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| 08:37.48 | aZz7eCh | as the arping values |
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| 08:44.08 | cujotus | warping around |
| 08:44.16 | aZz7eCh | https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/wireless/wireless-cli.md <--- scroll to the bottom of this for example of how simple a thing it is i'm trying to acheive |
| 08:46.01 | cujotus | rasperry pi's to africa? |
| 08:46.14 | cujotus | :) |
| 08:46.22 | cujotus | its too prizy :) |
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| 08:58.49 | slacko_2940 | can i find girlfriend here? |
| 08:59.06 | jiggawattz | slacko_2940: I think Deb is free |
| 08:59.13 | jiggawattz | no more Ian to compete wtih |
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| 09:20.58 | BluesKaj | 'Morning folks |
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| 09:30.11 | Sabotender | my computer goes wonky after disply turn off and I am unable to fix it. The cursor flashes it looks like its flickering instead of a normal flash |
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| 09:41.04 | SabreWolfy | Sabotender, you'll need to give more information. |
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| 09:43.31 | Sabotender | SabreWolfy: that is difficult to do, since I lose access to my computer when the computer...I dont know what it is doing. Blanking? Going into the screen Saver? Display turning off? |
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| 09:57.28 | Sabotender | now I am afraid to leave my computer alone because I am going to lose access to it |
| 09:57.34 | Sabotender | and have to restart |
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| 09:59.34 | Sabotender | I think it has something to do with the power management settings |
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| 10:00.53 | SabreWolfy | Sabotender: disable all the power and screen saver settings and test. |
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| 10:01.51 | Sabotender | I dont think there's any screen saver settings here |
| 10:01.55 | Sabotender | I am using XFCE |
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| 10:03.43 | Sabotender | under the Power Manager > Display Tab > Handle display Power Management (unchecked), Plugged in: Blank After (never), Put to Sleep after (greyed out), Switch off after (greyed out) |
| 10:04.14 | Sabotender | Brightness level doesn't seem to work at all |
| 10:04.31 | SabreWolfy | And when you leave the machine for a while the screen goes blank? |
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| 10:05.26 | Sabotender | yes, and then goes to a flickering cursor. Not a blinking cursor, it flickers and whatnot, and I am unable to ctrl + alt + F whatever to change to the console |
| 10:07.17 | Sabotender | oh wait, no back up, I misread what you were aking me. The settings that I just mentioned is what I changed to AFTER you suggested that I disable power management settings and screensaver |
| 10:07.25 | Sabotender | I dont have any screensavers installed |
| 10:07.30 | Sabotender | I am not sure how I can test this. |
| 10:07.56 | SabreWolfy | I meant to disable everything and see if the problem presents itself. |
| 10:08.01 | Sabotender | just leave it alone for a while? but then the display will never turn off and that's just going to be a waste of power and wear out the panel when I am afk |
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| 10:08.37 | SabreWolfy | You need to isolate what is causing the problem; power management settings? |
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| 10:09.37 | Sabotender | I can only assume it is the power management settings, before I disabled it, I had 'Switch off" set to 15 minutes and Put to sleep at Never, and blank at Never |
| 10:09.48 | Sabotender | I can chage blank to one minute to see if it will blank properly |
| 10:10.14 | SabreWolfy | You could also try #xfce |
| 10:10.35 | Sabotender | perhaps |
| 10:11.02 | SabreWolfy | Are you running on unusual or old hardware? |
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| 10:11.49 | Sabotender | okay, blanking is the problem |
| 10:12.07 | Sabotender | I tried setting blanking to one minute and now I have the flickering cursor |
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| 10:24.02 | cujotus | try sabotage debian and die |
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| 10:24.23 | fdhxs | can we edit a sym link in linux |
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| 10:25.07 | cujotus | yes |
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| 10:44.03 | LINUX-NEW | hi |
| 10:44.09 | LINUX-NEW | i have a problem with debian 9 machine |
| 10:44.16 | LINUX-NEW | it freeze at irregular interval |
| 10:44.21 | LINUX-NEW | machine is esxi virtualized |
| 10:44.23 | LINUX-NEW | https://pastebin.com/g39SaNzU |
| 10:44.30 | LINUX-NEW | this is the log file but i don't know why.... |
| 10:44.34 | LINUX-NEW | anyone can help me ? |
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| 10:45.16 | nkuttler | LINUX-NEW: timestamp of the freeze? |
| 10:45.30 | LINUX-NEW | how can i do ? |
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| 10:50.21 | format_c | LINUX-NEW, nkuttler asked when the freeze occured. |
| 10:51.15 | LINUX-NEW | oh ok |
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| 10:51.28 | LINUX-NEW | nothing to particular i have lamp server |
| 10:51.32 | LINUX-NEW | 0-5 % cpu |
| 10:51.45 | LINUX-NEW | 120mb ram used of 1GB |
| 10:51.53 | LINUX-NEW | irregular interval freeze |
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| 10:52.33 | format_c | How do you detect the freeze. Describe what exactly freezes. |
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| 10:56.51 | LINUX-NEW | i'm with ssh |
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| 10:57.16 | format_c | OK what happens when the "freeze" occurs? |
| 10:57.19 | LINUX-NEW | i can't done anything if i go front monitor i need to do reset of machine to make it work again |
| 10:57.59 | format_c | But the local console still works? |
| 10:58.09 | LINUX-NEW | yes |
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| 10:58.16 | LINUX-NEW | all other machine perfect continue work |
| 10:59.27 | format_c | can you open a new ssh session while the other hangs? |
| 10:59.58 | LINUX-NEW | no |
| 11:00.01 | LINUX-NEW | totally freeze |
| 11:00.06 | LINUX-NEW | apache2 not working |
| 11:00.09 | LINUX-NEW | all freeze |
| 11:00.13 | LINUX-NEW | only need to reset |
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| 11:05.48 | format_c | yes that's weird. You said that it's ESXi VM? |
| 11:09.00 | format_c | Maybe it's worth checking the time-sync settings of the VM. It the local NTP deamon compete with the ESX host clock (whether it's synced at all), time jumps may lead to kernel hickups |
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| 11:11.09 | format_c | or you upgrade to a newer kernel |
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| 11:17.28 | tomreyn | lines 29 + following might be a problem |
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| 11:20.14 | tomreyn | is this nvme storage? |
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| 11:23.09 | tomreyn | you use FDE in a VM. lack of entropy could result in freezes. |
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| 11:23.39 | nkuttler | oh, right.. |
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| 11:24.54 | nkuttler | LINUX-NEW: look into rng-tools |
| 11:27.28 | tomreyn | clocksource is tsc (time stamp counter), ntp syncs against ntp.org, looks ok. |
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| 12:39.46 | preview | could anyone help me set up nfs on Sid? I thought I'd configured my exports and hosts.allow correctly, but it still doesn't work, for some reason |
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| 12:48.06 | BluesKaj | preview, perhaps a description of what is or is not happening |
| 12:48.38 | preview | oh, well I've configured the required files, but it still refuses to connect from my laptop BluesKaj |
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| 12:51.40 | Manis | Hi. Is anyone running Debian on a ODROID-C2? I'm trying to install Debian on mine (using debian-installer), but it can't find the SD card. |
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| 12:53.33 | BluesKaj | preview, did you follow a tutorial similar to this one, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo ... this one worked for me a few yr ago when I used NFS |
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| 12:57.23 | BluesKaj | Manis, is this an arm architecture cpu like the raspberry pi |
| 12:58.10 | Manis | BluesKaj: I know, but what does it change? |
| 12:58.33 | BluesKaj | Manis, if so, make the debian OS is arm as well |
| 12:58.48 | BluesKaj | make sure |
| 12:58.49 | Manis | BluesKaj: ? |
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| 12:59.14 | Manis | BluesKaj: Ah. Yes. If it wasn't the right architecture, I couldn't even run d-i |
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| 12:59.42 | Manis | I suspect that Debian's 4.9 kernel doesn't support SD cards yet :-/ |
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| 13:01.11 | BluesKaj | dunno, but my rpi3 uses a debian derivative called raspian, that's designed for arm devices...dunno about your tho |
| 13:01.17 | BluesKaj | Manis,^ |
| 13:01.33 | BluesKaj | raspbian even :-) |
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| 13:02.47 | Manis | I don't want to use some hacky Debian fork but rather the real thing. |
| 13:02.49 | Manis | I'm now trying to launch d-i from the stretch-backports kernel :-/ |
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| 13:03.53 | BluesKaj | Manis, it's not hacky at all ...it a proper OS with the same versions regular debian |
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| 13:04.22 | Manis | BluesKaj: And lot's of hacked together downstream firmware, bootloader, kernel... |
| 13:06.19 | BluesKaj | well, that's your opinion, let's leave it at that, it's properly designed and developed OS for arm and works well , that's my experience , not my opinion |
| 13:06.30 | sypher | I think you just described every Linux distro in existence. |
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| 13:07.22 | BluesKaj | sypher, anothe opinion ;-) |
| 13:08.16 | Manis | Does Debian provider installer images based on the backports kernel? |
| 13:08.17 | preview | BluesKaj: according to that guide it should be working, but still no luck |
| 13:08.21 | sypher | BluesKaj: I mean, they are all hacked together with firmware, bootloader, and a kernel. ;) |
| 13:09.36 | Manis | sypher, BluesKaj: The difference is that Debian usually provides a decent upgrade path while the "ARM forks" usually use the manufacturer provided stuff |
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| 13:12.38 | Ke | yeah, I don't get the debian forks |
| 13:12.58 | Ke | you could even provide debian with one custom repo for kernel images |
| 13:13.07 | Ke | but for userland, can't get it |
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| 13:14.45 | Manis | I also don't understand why they're so obsessed with images. I prefer the installer. |
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| 13:15.26 | Manis | Looks like there are no installer images with the backports kernel :-/ So that'll be vmdebootstrap then :-/ |
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| 14:20.18 | donatas | Can someone assist, I have switched from debian jessie to stretch and moved configured apache2 for wsgi django hosting same as on jessy and have an error |
| 14:20.42 | donatas | [Sat Jul 29 17:16:02.263131 2017] [core:notice] [pid 7881:tid 140622936913088] AH00052: child pid 8897 exit signal Aborted (6) |
| 14:20.42 | donatas | Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: Unable to get the locale encoding |
| 14:20.42 | donatas | ImportError: No module named 'encodings' |
| 14:21.16 | donatas | wsgi deamon is set exactly as on jessie within apache2 conf |
| 14:21.35 | donatas | using python3 libraries within virtualenv, wsgi points to those |
| 14:21.58 | donatas | tried switching from virtualenv to venv... doesnt help |
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| 14:24.49 | tw | Do you have any of LC_ALL, LANG, or LANGUAGE set? |
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| 14:38.44 | kaosu | On a fresh installation of Debian stable when I install the 'chromium' package using apt, the browser always has three extensions that are bundled with it called 'bookmark manager', 'chromium pdf reader', 'CryptoTokenExtension'. I'm wondering why Debian pulls in these extensions with chromium by default and what packages are these associated with? I would very much like to remove them. |
| 14:41.10 | dontknow | kaosu, have you tried install with -no-install-recommends flag? |
| 14:41.54 | kaosu | dontknow, yes I have. I purged the chromium package and reinstalled it using the -no-install-recommends, but the extensions were still bundled. |
| 14:43.02 | dontknow | ok. so it is embedded with chromium |
| 14:43.51 | kaosu | I'm just confused why Debian does this, but no other distribution seems to bundle a bunch of extensions with chromium by default. |
| 14:44.24 | dontknow | yeah it is weird |
| 14:44.51 | tw | chromium is one of those packages that just tracks upstream directly for security reasons. |
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| 14:49.47 | kaosu | I guess I can just install Google Chrome and call it a day. I don't like installing software outside of the repositories, but I hate being forced to use crappy extensions even more. :( |
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| 14:53.04 | tw | Can always try deleting random pak files until they go away ;) |
| 14:53.11 | mr__tea_ | hey anyone using PRTG here? |
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| 14:55.05 | kaosu | tw: I'm afraid if I get the extensions to go away doing something like that then they will just return after an update. |
| 14:55.24 | tw | they will. |
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| 14:55.41 | kaosu | I just find it really strange that Debian is the only distribution that has a chromium package that installs extensions by default and locks them in with an 'enterprise policy'. |
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| 14:56.47 | tw | It's not "an enterprise policy" so much as chromium treats all system-level extensions as obligatory. So if you installed any of the other extensions from apt like wildvine, you also could not disable that either. |
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| 14:58.12 | tw | It's the same on windows with GPO-installed extentions to chrome. |
| 14:58.34 | dontknow | i think chromium doesn't follow timely security in debian |
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| 15:00.05 | kaosu | dontknow, could you elaborate more on that please? |
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| 15:01.43 | kaosu | Is running Google Chrome on Debian stable a particularly bad idea? I know introducing any software from outside the repositories will risk the stability/security of the system, but I am hoping that sticking with the Google repositories will help improve security and only have a small chance of compromising the stability of my system. |
| 15:03.34 | dontknow | kaosu, latest chromium is 60? |
| 15:04.04 | dontknow | yeah it is still 59 in stable |
| 15:04.08 | kaosu | The latest chromium on Debian stable is 59 |
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| 15:08.05 | dontknow | kaosu, chrome is propriatery |
| 15:09.00 | kaosu | Yeah. I already use proprietary firmware for some of my hardware. So, using a proprietary browser isn't too big of a deal to me. |
| 15:10.19 | kaosu | I would ideally like to run mostly open-source software, but chromium does not look like it will suit my needs. I feel like the open-source software is forcing me into a corner more than the proprietary version. |
| 15:10.40 | BluesKaj | on Kubuntu Artful devel release here atm and chrome version is 60 |
| 15:13.19 | dontknow | kaosu, how about firefox? |
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| 15:15.11 | kaosu | dontknow, I believe that Firefox has inferior security than Chrome/Chromium because it lacks the level of sandboxing and process isolation that the latter has. Since security is a big concern for me, my preference is to use what I believe is the more secure browser. |
| 15:15.56 | dontknow | you can use firejail sanbox software |
| 15:16.14 | dontknow | you can activate firefox multiprocess |
| 15:17.58 | kaosu | dontknow, Alright. I will test that out and see how it works for me. Do Debian users tend to lean toward the iceweasel or the firefox-esr package? |
| 15:18.30 | dontknow | iceweasel is no more. |
| 15:18.55 | kaosu | I just realized that the iceweasel package just installs the firefox-esr package. |
| 15:19.31 | BluesKaj | firefox-esr is default |
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| 15:24.17 | kaosu | Thanks for the help. I got it all sorted out now with Firefox. |
| 15:24.59 | chicognu | aaa |
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| 15:41.13 | nvz | I'm curious why a package like randomize-lines would've been dropped in stretch, it is a very small c program and it has no outstanding bugs on any branch, and it needs no changes to work on stretch, the packaging of it could be easily automated |
| 15:42.07 | nvz | should I just send a ping to the maintainer or is there some team that can get this tossed back in a mix of autogenerated packages or something? |
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| 15:54.54 | jmcnaught | nvz: look it up on the tracker: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/randomize-lines |
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| 16:02.34 | nvz | jmcnaught: hmm. I forgot about tracker.. last activity shows a bug #801171 about it being missing, and says its been deprecated by "shuf" which doesn't exist, then the next day britney removed it |
| 16:02.36 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/801171 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: randomize-lines -- ROM; deprecated, replaced by shuf»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-10-07; last modified: 2015-11-10. |
| 16:02.59 | nvz | nobody pressed your buzzer :P |
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| 16:04.16 | nvz | the package needs to be put back so I guess I need to see if the maintainer is still around or find it a new one. Its a handy little program for shuffling when you're scripting in bash |
| 16:04.19 | BluesKaj | noone pressed mine either |
| 16:04.29 | jmcnaught | nvz: there's a shuf in coreutils |
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| 16:05.30 | nvz | jmcnaught: ah, I was looking for a package named shuf |
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| 16:05.59 | jmcnaught | nvz: i'd never heard of it, i just did "apt-file search bin/shuf" |
| 16:06.13 | nvz | very well then, its been deprecated by shuf.. heh.. which is in base now |
| 16:06.50 | nvz | so I just installed rl for nothing.. well not nothing, it'll save me two characters typing rl vs shuf :P |
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| 16:25.36 | dhaller | how can i print the manufacturer model number of my usb wireless adapter |
| 16:27.08 | Spec | dhaller: lsusb -v |
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| 16:29.15 | Penta | Greetings! How can I split a pdf with 612 pages into 612 files via command line? |
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| 16:30.05 | jmcnaught | Penta: try pdftk |
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| 16:30.23 | Penta | jmcnaught what do I need to enter? |
| 16:30.25 | dhaller | Spec it doesnt give me the model |
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| 16:30.47 | jmcnaught | Penta: you'll need to read the man page. I don't know how to use it, just that it exists |
| 16:31.04 | dhaller | just says Realtek Semiconductor Corp |
| 16:31.07 | dhaller | Generic |
| 16:31.12 | dhaller | USB2.0 CRW |
| 16:31.19 | sonOfRa | Penta: poppler-utils (not sure of the exact package name) comes with "pdfseparate" |
| 16:31.24 | dhaller | im look for the ALFA blah blah blah |
| 16:31.51 | sonOfRa | pdfseparate input.pdf input-%d.pdf will result in single-page PDFs named input-1.pdf, input-2.pdf, etc |
| 16:32.03 | jmcnaught | dhaller: are you trying to get it working? |
| 16:32.24 | dhaller | i just want to find the model name |
| 16:32.28 | dhaller | via command line |
| 16:34.06 | dhaller | is this possible |
| 16:34.07 | dhaller | ? |
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| 16:36.13 | dhaller | anyone? |
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| 16:39.47 | dhaller | there are almost 2000 people in this channel apparently, lol |
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| 16:39.55 | dhaller | #deeplurkers |
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| 16:43.43 | jmcnaught | dhaller: look it up from the USB ID that lsusb spits out |
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| 16:44.04 | dhaller | tried that |
| 16:44.48 | jmcnaught | http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids i don't know how comprehensive that list is |
| 16:45.51 | dhaller | im sort of in awe that there isnt a simple solution for this |
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| 16:47.39 | jmcnaught | if you didn't understand the output of lsusb -v then maybe you should look for other hardware info programs like lshw |
| 16:47.52 | dhaller | i understood it |
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| 16:48.08 | dhaller | but I want to reflect the name i see here on the box of my wifi dongle in the command line |
| 16:48.43 | dhaller | AWUS036NH |
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| 16:48.58 | dhaller | it will give me the driver information |
| 16:49.00 | dhaller | but thats it |
| 16:49.59 | th0r | dhaller, I recognize that designation. Did you try searching for it on google? |
| 16:50.11 | dhaller | searching for what? |
| 16:50.16 | th0r | AWUS036NH |
| 16:50.36 | dhaller | i want to produce that information via the command line |
| 16:50.42 | dhaller | its plugged into my computer |
| 16:50.50 | dhaller | is there a command that will do that |
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| 16:52.02 | th0r | dhaller, that is a manufacturer's part number, I doubt that will show up at a command line. Maybe the chip or the firmware, but a manufacturer's part number isn't often burned into the device |
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| 16:52.39 | chicognu | I create a openvpn server, conected my desktop to it, set default route to tun0 using route add default tun0 but i all sites report my oiginal ip... |
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| 16:53.00 | chicognu | I create a openvpn server, conected my desktop to it, set default route to tun0 using route add default tun0 but i all sites report my original ip and not the vpn.any tips ? |
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| 16:55.37 | th0r | chicognu, how does the vpn server get to the internet, via your home wifi? |
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| 16:56.21 | pesho | hello. I need a help with a bluetooth. I'm on debian 9 stretch with Xfce desktop environment how to start the bluetooth of the laptop? |
| 16:56.44 | madsage | how do find build parameters for building xorg in stretch. I seem to not have input after build. |
| 16:56.46 | chicognu | th0r, lol. no. it is a vps server outside the country. |
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| 16:57.24 | th0r | chicognu, have you trapped the packets going out of your desktop to make sure they are routed to the vpn server? |
| 16:57.39 | th0r | chicognu, you might even try a simple traceroute |
| 16:57.52 | madsage | is there somewhere that show the build options for source packages |
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| 16:58.04 | jmcnaught | madsage: debian/rules |
| 16:58.18 | madsage | cool thanks |
| 16:59.04 | jmcnaught | chicognu: I never need to manually configure route to use openvpn. You can put .conf files in /etc/openvpn and then start/stop it as a system service. There's also an openvpn plugin for NetworkManager |
| 17:00.56 | pesho | so there's not anybody who can answer on my question or there's not anybody who want to answer on my question |
| 17:01.12 | chicognu | th0r, i think the ipcheck pages are getting my ip using js, because traceroute gives me that traceroute to 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 10.9.8.1 (10.9.8.1) 131.798 ms 131.470 ms 131.400 ms 2 * * * and 10.9.8.1 is the tun0 |
| 17:01.21 | jmcnaught | pesho: chill you waited 4 minutes to get upset |
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| 17:01.58 | pesho | it's because I'm in hurry because it's connected with my job |
| 17:02.28 | chicognu | th0r, do you know a very simple way to check the ip im using to access the internet with no js ? |
| 17:02.34 | jmcnaught | pesho: if you don't get help here right now, try again later or make a post on the Debian forums or mailing list. |
| 17:02.49 | th0r | chicognu, reference jmcnaught's reply above. I also always use a .ovpn file and network manager. Is there some reason to do it manually? |
| 17:03.35 | chicognu | th0r, know how to do it... |
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| 17:03.50 | pesho | according to me jmcnaught you understand why I ask here and why I not post on the Debian forum |
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| 17:05.05 | jmcnaught | pesho: I don't understand that sentence actually. However the people who help here are volunteers, trying to complain to get faster service isn't going to help you. |
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| 17:06.03 | madsage | trollbot |
| 17:06.11 | madsage | lol |
| 17:06.22 | jmcnaught | chicognu: make an openvpn config file named /etc/openvpn/foobar.conf, then you can run "systemctl start openvpn@foobar" to start it. |
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| 17:07.32 | madsage | jmcnaught: is there an easy way to read rules for a package? without downloading the src? |
| 17:07.35 | gkujha | hello guys, could someone explain what is the "debian desktop environment" option in the dialog where you select software to install? i found this but it's full of conflicting info: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=125037 ... if i wanna install Xfce and NOT gnome or other then should i check it or not? |
| 17:07.38 | pesho | jmcnaught I typed here because volunteers are fast react and I need help fast because it's connected with my job as I explain. I'm new to debian and this is the reason why I don't know how to do the thing I'm asking for help. |
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| 17:08.16 | jmcnaught | madsage: the package tracker has browse source code links: https://tracker.debian.org/ |
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| 17:10.54 | madsage | thanx! |
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| 17:11.19 | jmcnaught | gkujha: you can deselect "debian desktopâ¦" and select xfce if you want to. task-desktop will install at least one of those options. If you select one it installs that. If you _only_ select "debian desktopâ¦" then it installs GNOME |
| 17:11.27 | pesho | gkujha desktop environment is the user interface of the operating system. The visual thing of the operating system. How operating system looks. So if you want Xfce check the box of the Xfce and don't check the box of gnome if you don't want it. If you check bought boxes you'll have 2 desktop environments and you'll be able to switch between gnome a |
| 17:11.27 | pesho | nd xfce on the log in screen but if you have gnome and xfce at the same time you'll have less space |
| 17:11.56 | gkujha | THank you guys! |
| 17:14.28 | jmcnaught | chicognu: the ip check site using JS doesn't make sense, because JS would still have the same default route as the browser. You can do "curl ipecho.net/plain" on the command line |
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| 17:19.38 | LINUXNEW | hi |
| 17:19.42 | Bootable-Man | Hi all |
| 17:19.46 | LINUXNEW | i have problem with debian 9 |
| 17:19.55 | pesho | hi |
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| 17:20.11 | LINUXNEW | it freeze after install xvfb, |
| 17:20.41 | LINUXNEW | when i run zvfb-run ( i need because it has bug with httptopdf application ) |
| 17:20.47 | LINUXNEW | my system freeze |
| 17:20.54 | LINUXNEW | any one can hel me ? |
| 17:21.38 | pesho | I can't because I don't know how |
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| 17:22.59 | hanno | hi, snapshot.debian.org is down |
| 17:23.08 | hanno | gives only error 503 |
| 17:23.10 | jmcnaught | LINUXNEW: it freezes as in restart required, or new login required? are the error messages, or logs? |
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| 17:24.37 | LtL | hanno: snapshot.debian.org is *not* down here. |
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| 17:25.22 | hanno | LtL, it seems only one of the two IPs is down |
| 17:25.40 | hanno | hmm |
| 17:25.42 | hanno | now no longer |
| 17:25.51 | hanno | ah wait |
| 17:26.39 | hanno | yeah |
| 17:26.53 | hanno | 185.17.185.185 is down, 193.62.202.30 is not |
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| 17:30.42 | Bootable-Man | Sorry, I have a question, may be irrelevant here to ask! Is there any OSINT channel in IRC? |
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| 17:33.32 | jmcnaught | Bootable-Man: '/msg alis list osint' |
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| 17:34.34 | pesho | I need a help with a bluetooth. Can anyone help me with the bluetooth? |
| 17:35.10 | jmcnaught | pesho: while you're waiting why don't you provide some details about what you've tried and errors you have gotten? |
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| 17:36.11 | pesho | ok |
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| 17:37.31 | pesho | I'm on a laptop. I'm using debian 9 stretch with xfce. I'm trying to have a bluetooth software because according to me I don't have one. |
| 17:38.11 | pesho | I'm new to command interface but I'm almost native with grapical interface |
| 17:38.46 | teraflops | pesho: my english is not perfect but I dont get what you meant on your first message |
| 17:38.48 | pesho | but as I assume in debian I'll need to use commands to take a bluetooth software |
| 17:39.08 | teraflops | the according to me ⦠part |
| 17:39.22 | th0r | pesho, have you tried looking in synaptic for bluetooth software/ |
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| 17:39.39 | teraflops | also what do you mean bye getting a bluetooth sw? |
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| 17:40.39 | teraflops | pesho: also https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
| 17:40.39 | pesho | teraflops the software which drives the bluetooth device. th0r I don't know what to took from there because according to me it's not a single package |
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| 17:41.08 | th0r | pesho, have you ever even used synaptic? |
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| 17:42.30 | teraflops | I dont think recommending synaptic is a good idea (imo) |
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| 17:42.38 | LtL | pesho: does dmesg complain about missing firmware? have you looked/read about this package, bluez-firmware? |
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| 17:43.08 | th0r | teraflops, it will give him a list of bluetooth software. And apt would install whatever deps are needed |
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| 17:44.08 | teraflops | pesho: read the wiki I pasted above, if you still have issues, explain in detail what's your goal, as in e.g: I want to use a bt headset |
| 17:44.14 | pesho | th0r I don't I have debian just from some days. LtL I haven't look for bluez-firmware |
| 17:44.43 | LtL | pesho: apt-cache search bluetooth. i do not run xfce,, sory. |
| 17:44.59 | pesho | teraflops I want to transfer photos from my phone to my pc |
| 17:45.21 | teraflops | use a cable or use ssh |
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| 17:45.28 | jmcnaught | Until #864640 is fixed I think we shouldn't recommend using synaptic. The severity of that bug should probably be higher, since it breaks the ability to do "apt-get update" |
| 17:45.29 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/864640 in synaptic (open): «synaptic: when modifying repository's a file named trusted.gpg is created in /etc/apt/»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-06-12; last modified: 2017-06-12. |
| 17:45.35 | pesho | LtL no problem and thank you |
| 17:45.39 | LtL | pesho: and somehwere in your system settings there should be mention abouth bluetooth |
| 17:46.22 | th0r | jmcnaught, hadn't seen that. will have to stick to apt I guess |
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| 17:46.27 | th0r | jmcnaught, thanks |
| 17:46.36 | pesho | teraflops I don't have a cable. |
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| 17:46.49 | pesho | LtL I don't know where to look |
| 17:47.10 | teraflops | you have a phine but you dont have a usb cable? then use opsssh, it will save you rime and headaches |
| 17:47.13 | teraflops | time^ |
| 17:47.22 | LtL | pesho: i cannot say, i forget xfce4 |
| 17:47.40 | teraflops | openssh sorry for the tyypos |
| 17:47.59 | jmcnaught | th0r: the fix is just to delete /etc/apt/trusted.gpg because it's empty anyways, or to change its permissions to the _apt user can read it. |
| 17:48.10 | teraflops | pesho: which OS does your phone run? |
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| 17:49.30 | pesho | teraflops what's ssh? android kitkat |
| 17:50.13 | th0r | jmcnaught, well, it isn't empty on my jessie install, or my raspbian jessie. Will just not use it...don't really need it, just nice for searches |
| 17:50.17 | jmcnaught | pesho: you cannot use a USB cable from someone's phone charger? |
| 17:51.15 | jmcnaught | th0r: i mean in cases for that bug, where it doesn't exist by default in stretch, then synaptic creates the file with bad permissions causing the _apt user used by apt-get when it drops privileges to not be able to read it |
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| 17:51.30 | jmcnaught | pesho: if it's "for work" ask work for a USB cable. |
| 17:52.28 | pesho | jmcnaught I can use usb cable from phone charger but I'm at home and my charger is fixed. |
| 17:53.30 | teraflops | pesho: there are apks that does what you want, e.g https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=turbo.client&hl=es_419 |
| 17:53.33 | pesho | It's saturday and the office is open until friday. So now I work from home |
| 17:54.15 | madsage | hrmm, I still dont get how to read Debian/Rules in a package. isnt there a simple dpkg command? |
| 17:54.18 | teraflops | sorry for the localized link (spanish) |
| 17:55.06 | pesho | teraflops thank you |
| 17:55.15 | teraflops | np |
| 17:55.26 | madsage | if I need a rules file to make a .deb how do I extract or view it from the package |
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| 17:59.51 | jmcnaught | madsage: the rules file is not in the binary package |
| 18:00.08 | lle | jAngry-3342: det lyder umiddelbart som den forkerte maade at goere ting paa... |
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| 18:00.31 | lle | marvelous - wrong channel obviosly ;) |
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| 18:01.00 | Deschain | Hi, I'm trying to get a Taskwarrior server up and running, installed it through apt and I'm having some difficulties with getting it to work |
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| 18:01.51 | Deschain | It creates a user called Debian-taskd and I'm not sure how I can run the command as that user |
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| 18:02.26 | madsage | jmcnaught: i have the source package |
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| 18:04.46 | jmcnaught | Deschain: just looking at the list of files in the taskd package, I see it has a systemd service unit. What does "systemctl status taskd" report? There's also a taskdctl command in that package. |
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| 18:07.46 | Deschain | jmcnaught: Right now the service is not running, the docs say I needed to run the taskd init command to create the initial config file but now I see what the problem was |
| 18:07.54 | jmcnaught | Deschain: that package also has a README.Debian you should check if you haven't already |
| 18:08.17 | Deschain | I did actually read that file but unfortunately nothing about my problem in there |
| 18:08.48 | Deschain | The problem seems to be that the config file in that taskd folder was a sym link to another one in /etc |
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| 18:16.52 | racar | Hey guys, Issue with Broadcom Limited BCM4360 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 03). Driver is working well, but after 2 min (more or less) everything stop working (wifi) and the bit rate drop. If i want to get back to good speed, i need to modprobe -r wl / modprobe wl. Any ideas ? Tried ipv6 disabled. Thx |
| 18:17.08 | locrian9 | Does anyone know some good active irc channels for troubleshooting cisco network related equipment (eg ASA5505's)? I'm already on #cisco and #networking for some help... |
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| 18:18.42 | jmcnaught | racar: look at your logs for when that happens. Run journalctl, or look in /var/log/syslog |
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| 18:19.35 | racar | jmcnaught, i looked in all logs. Nothing special at the moment. Last week i had a dns issue but now nothing (or dmesg) |
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| 18:30.58 | jmcnaught | racar: https://wiki.debian.org/wl#Known_Issues |
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| 18:33.11 | LtL | racar: jmcnaught posted, https://wiki.debian.org/wl#Known_Issues |
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| 18:34.04 | LtL | salmandjuli: not wise to IRC as root user. |
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| 18:39.36 | racar | thx jmcnaught , i saw them before ... i also tried the power management issue. i will try again |
| 18:40.14 | jmcnaught | racar: if it doesn't work then show the commands you're using, their output, and some logs and you might get more help |
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| 18:41.33 | LtL | jmcnaught: i thought he may have missed your msg. nm |
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| 18:42.27 | jmcnaught | LtL: hey ⺠|
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| 18:43.23 | LtL | jmcnaught: i'm not so sure just changing permissions on /etc/apt/trusted.gpg would work as synaptic puts garbage characters in what should be a zero byte file. deleting definetly works. |
| 18:44.59 | LtL | jmcnaught: hey ââ |
| 18:45.55 | jmcnaught | LtL: it didn't happen to me I just helped someone figure it out. A command like "gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --list-keys" should also confirm that it's empty |
| 18:46.15 | racar1 | jmcnaught, thx. there's not a lot to show. Kernel 4.9.30-2, WL 6.30.223.271-5. The bitrate is 144Mb/s, but drop to 5 (still working) but super slow. |
| 18:46.37 | LtL | jmcnaught: it happened to me on a fresh install, but not on a dist-upgrade |
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| 18:48.43 | LtL | jmcnaught: come to think of it, i probably never used synaptic on the dist-upgrade box... so not sure. |
| 18:49.24 | Sabotender | my locale is messed up for some reason, how to change it? I don't see the system option in XFCE |
| 18:49.36 | Sabotender | maybe it is called something I do not recognise |
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| 18:50.40 | LtL | Sabotender: man locale in a shell or console |
| 18:51.12 | Sabotender | LtL: i'd rather install a GUI equivilent. |
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| 18:51.20 | Sabotender | Like there's supposed to be |
| 18:51.45 | Sabotender | This is simple crap that I shouldn't need to do in a CLI |
| 18:51.53 | LtL | Sabotender: i don't believe there is one |
| 18:52.00 | Sabotender | O_o |
| 18:53.07 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to choose which ones are generated and the default one. https://wiki.debian.org/Locale has some more information. Xfce isn't as complete as GNOME and KDE, so if you find it doesn't have all the features you want try another |
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| 18:56.40 | Sabotender | jmcnaught: so you mean to tell me, there's no device manager, or system information panel, or timezone/local settting? |
| 18:56.55 | Sabotender | (GUI Equivalent, I mean) |
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| 18:58.08 | Sabotender | how long has XFCE been around, and it doesn't have this stuff available to it? It's like XFCE users WANT to be stuck in the dark ages of a CLI. |
| 18:58.33 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: so use GNOME |
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| 19:00.07 | Sabotender | but I hate gnome |
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| 19:01.11 | jmcnaught | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 19:01.32 | jmcnaught | KDE then, or give GNOME another try |
| 19:01.44 | Sabotender | KDE wasn't working with NVIDIA |
| 19:01.55 | Sabotender | black screen and no one cared to help me fix it and I don't have time for that |
| 19:02.04 | Sabotender | I am trying to find something that just works |
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| 19:02.20 | Sabotender | I mean I am willing to install crap from other DMs just to get what I want |
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| 19:02.45 | jmcnaught | GNOME just works, there are reasons why it is the default |
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| 19:03.34 | Sabotender | am I able to move it's panel to the bottom like I am with XFCE? I remember the last time I tried it, I wasn't able to |
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| 19:03.43 | Scrutinizer | KDE not working with NVIDIA? What do you mean by that? |
| 19:03.58 | Sabotender | I want to make sure they fixed that before I throw away XFCE and change DMs for the THIRD time |
| 19:04.08 | Sabotender | I'd want ALL of my questions answered before I do this |
| 19:04.27 | Sabotender | if you don't have the time to do this, maybe I should try the #gnome? |
| 19:05.33 | Sabotender | Scrutinizer: black screen after install of proprietary NVIDIA drivers (Nouveau drivers were glitchy and produced screen artefacts) |
| 19:06.00 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: drop the entitlement please. GNOME is not hard to figure out or use. Try to focus on learning how to use it rather than bending it to look like something else. |
| 19:06.41 | Sabotender | jmcnaught: this has nothing to do with a sense of entitlement. |
| 19:07.00 | Sabotender | This has everything to do with what you feel like helping someone with |
| 19:07.03 | Scrutinizer | Sabotender: That's an Nvidia / X issue. It has nothing to do with KDE or Gnome. |
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| 19:07.22 | Sabotender | if you don't care to, or have time to help, then let me know now |
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| 19:07.32 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: I'm not the only helper here. If you try GNOME and something isn't working, you can ask here and someone might help. |
| 19:07.45 | jmcnaught | that's how it works |
| 19:07.51 | Sabotender | great, so I'll try the gnome channel |
| 19:08.03 | Sabotender | see if I have to wait a few hours to get answers. |
| 19:08.19 | Sabotender | I can go swimming in my pool, no one wants to sit around twiddling their thumbs |
| 19:09.06 | Sabotender | which is exactly what I was doing yesterday and getting practically nowhere. The only time anyone cared to say anything was when I was trying to research myself, and all they cared to tell me is, 'no that's not right'. |
| 19:09.09 | Sabotender | anyway |
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| 19:10.09 | Sabotender | Scrutinizer: perhaps. There seems to be some inside linux user hate going around with the NVIDIA proprietary drivers. |
| 19:11.20 | Scrutinizer | Did you get them working? |
| 19:14.49 | Sabotender | Scrutinizer: get what working? |
| 19:14.59 | Scrutinizer | The drivers. |
| 19:15.09 | Sabotender | the NVIDIA drivers? sure, XFCE loaded right up |
| 19:15.36 | Scrutinizer | Ok. But how is that related to either KDE or GNOME? |
| 19:16.02 | Sabotender | you tell me |
| 19:16.03 | Scrutinizer | Once you have the X server properly configured using the nvidia drivers in your case, you should be able to choose either one or both. :) |
| 19:16.48 | Sabotender | I cannot fathom why SDDM or whatever its called didn't load and gave me a black screen after installing the proprietary drivers, but XFCE with lightdm loaded without an issue |
| 19:17.01 | jmcnaught | proprietary drivers sometimes have bugs that Debian can't fix which impact different DEs differently. In jessie fglrx was broken in GNOME. Apparently there are issues with nvidia and KDE. |
| 19:17.14 | Sabotender | I am not using jessie |
| 19:17.34 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: maybe you need to take a break, i was giving an example. |
| 19:17.44 | Sabotender | I just came back from taking a break |
| 19:18.05 | Scrutinizer | You can use lightdm to load kde/gnome too.. It's just a display manager. |
| 19:18.36 | Scrutinizer | sddm probably failed since you had the nvidia driver improperly installed & it was looking for opengl support. |
| 19:19.18 | Sabotender | Scrutinizer: I *may* use gnome if the questions I asked in the #gnome channel are answered to my satisfaction. I'll just keep asking in different ways, every hour or so until someone decides to answer |
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| 19:19.49 | Scrutinizer | I still don't understand what problem you're facing at this moment. |
| 19:20.20 | Sabotender | Scrutinizer: its because you are pointing the finger at other things, because you think that the cause of my problem is not X. |
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| 19:20.59 | Scrutinizer | I said nothing of the sort. I'm trying to understand the problem. |
| 19:21.22 | Sabotender | I asked why there wasn't a GUI equivalent to a timezone selector, or a GUI device manager or a GUI system information panel in XFCE and was pretty much told that there wasn't and that I should install gnome instead |
| 19:22.04 | Sabotender | I replied that I hate gnome because the last time I tried it, there didn't seem to be any way to move that panel at the top to the bottom of the screen. No one told me whether it was actually possible to do this |
| 19:22.05 | jmcnaught | Sabotender: you have more than one perfectly functional desktop environments available for free in Debian. Instead of demanding that one of them work exactly the way you are used to, *learn* how to use one of them. |
| 19:22.19 | th0r | Sabotender, in xfce, Settings - Time and Date |
| 19:22.24 | Scrutinizer | Sabotender: It does sound like you're looking for something that's more in the realm of gnome / kde. |
| 19:23.10 | Scrutinizer | Sabotender: You can install all of them, experiment & settle on one. |
| 19:23.45 | Sabotender | jmcnaught: I am not interested in learning the dark ages of CLI. This is exactly why I hate Linux its because it treats the GUI as an afterthought and expects everyone to LIKE the CLI and be happy to do everything there, wellI am telling you now, that I absolutely hate the CLI and refuse to learn anything except the simple stuff like apt. |
| 19:23.47 | th0r | Sabotender, xfce: System - Task Manager |
| 19:23.47 | jelly | Sabotender, eh, I have sddm and kde on stretch at home with nvidia drivers, things work. Don't have access to that machine right now tho. |
| 19:23.52 | th0r | Sabotender, you didn't look very hard |
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| 19:24.02 | Scrutinizer | XFCE is meant to be more "basic" & it's great at what it does. |
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| 19:24.43 | RATS | Ty chanserv |
| 19:24.43 | Sabotender | if I had the knowledge or resources, I would develop a linux distro which didn't even support a CLI and everything was able to be done in a GUI. |
| 19:24.53 | LtL | Sabotender: dpkg-reconfigure is simple enough, (which i forgot about) if thats what your still talking about, and many people consider CLI 'fun.' :) |
| 19:24.58 | Scrutinizer | jelly: I have a machine here running with sddm & nvidia too. No issue. |
| 19:25.12 | jdfish | Sabotender: the "dark ages of CLI" is the wrong way to go about it. true power and functionality resides in the command line interface. the thing is, Xfce is a bit more barebones than other DE's so it isn't that unusual for some less standard GUIs to be simply not available for it |
| 19:25.13 | Sabotender | jelly: yeah I am using Debian Stretch. |
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| 19:25.24 | RATS | Syria issued? |
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| 19:25.49 | kaosu | Another great DE is Budgie. It is based on Gnome so it has great integration with many existing applications, it has a nice action center, and it is one of the only DE's with default support for a menu launcher like Windows7/10. It is basically a prettier version of the Windows 10 UX. Give it a shot if XFCE isn't your thing. |
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| 19:27.26 | jelly | Sabotender, the thing is, most DEs _are_ an afterthought and there's lots of fucntionality missing that's only accessible via cli. It's a fact gnome usually succeeds in having the most rounded-up setup. |
| 19:27.39 | RATS | Plane? |
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| 19:29.20 | kaosu | Sabotender, why does command line scare you so much? Once you know the basics of using the command line you can begin customizing your system to your specific needs way beyond what most DE's would allow. If you rely on a GUI for everything then you will miss out on many of the great underlying features of running a GNU/Linux system. |
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| 19:31.00 | jdfish | i never understood this aversion either, once you learn some command line rudiments, honestly, life becomes so much easier |
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| 19:33.53 | Sabotender | kaosu: because its easy to mess things up in a CLI and most man pages sux, and I've hosed enough linux setups just because of one mistyped switch. And I have no patience to read though poorly written man pages just to find the little bit of information that I need. |
| 19:34.00 | Sabotender | I will look at Budgie |
| 19:34.30 | PipeItToDevNull | Sabotender, what are you up to today |
| 19:34.34 | kaosu | Budgie is good and you can easily put the panel on the bottom of your screen. |
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| 19:35.05 | jdfish | Sabotender: i don't want to be "that guy", but if you are the one that entered an erroneous command and ended up hosing the whole OS, that's not exactly the command line's fault, now is it? |
| 19:35.14 | kaosu | Sabotender, you might also want to apt-get install arc-theme after installing Budgie. It gives you access to a bunch of great themes to use. I also really like the moka-icon-theme with it. |
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| 19:35.34 | quietlearner | hi, was just wondering if anybody here running on the hurd and what that was like in practice |
| 19:35.42 | Sabotender | is there a way to move that panel at the top of budgie to the bottom of the screen? |
| 19:35.56 | PipeItToDevNull | Sabotender, yes |
| 19:36.11 | N1ck | Hey, I'm having a strange problem on boot with systemd. Since I couldn't take log, I made a video. Here it is https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ |
| 19:36.14 | RATS | Yes what's up today's ? |
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| 19:36.41 | RATS | Linux gui issued? |
| 19:37.03 | N1ck | Anyone can help me? |
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| 19:37.21 | Sabotender | can someone give me a link to a complete guide to install Budgie desktop? |
| 19:37.41 | jelly | RATS, you're in Debian support channel, English speaking only. If you want to chat, /join ##chat or /join #debian-offtopic |
| 19:37.58 | N1ck | Hey, is this tutorial good to learn french locations https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ ? |
| 19:38.09 | PipeItToDevNull | Sabotender, Sabotender all DEs are the same, just find what packages budgie uses. It uses LightDM just like XFCE |
| 19:38.09 | N1ck | Wrong chan :( |
| 19:38.32 | kaosu | Sabotender, you can just perform the command apt-get install budgie-desktop and it should pull in everything you need. Then you can select the Budgie session the next time you try to log in. |
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| 19:38.39 | Sabotender | jdfish: you don't have to be 'that guy' and you also don't have to understand why I HATE the CLI either, because I have the feeling that the vast majority of you won't be satisfied with any reason I provide for my extreme aversion to it. |
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| 19:39.13 | RATS | Calm down... |
| 19:39.17 | RATS | :) |
| 19:39.25 | Sabotender | I could give you ten reasons, and all I would receive are 'buts'. |
| 19:39.54 | PipeItToDevNull | Yes, because it is more powerful, shorter, quicker, and easier |
| 19:40.02 | Sabotender | I disagree |
| 19:40.12 | jmcnaught | you probably won't find a lot of sympathy for refusal to learn here |
| 19:40.15 | Sabotender | the GUI is easier for me. I am a point and click kind of guy |
| 19:40.22 | PipeItToDevNull | I have yet to find a graphical package manager that can do anything besides break a system |
| 19:40.27 | Sabotender | jmcnaught: not looking for sympathy. |
| 19:40.29 | RATS | Long trouble about many system now :) |
| 19:40.30 | Sabotender | thanks |
| 19:40.42 | jelly | let's keep it to actual tech questions, please, gui vs. cli is not a debian-specific issue |
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| 19:41.01 | Sabotender | jelly: you are absolutely right! |
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| 19:42.57 | firef1y | So if I'm following the guide here: |
| 19:42.59 | firef1y | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Full/Installation#Default:_Using_parted_to_partition_the_disk |
| 19:43.10 | firef1y | Which filesystem should /dev/sda1 have? |
| 19:43.26 | firef1y | sda2 is fat32, sda3 is swap, sda4 is ext4. |
| 19:43.36 | firef1y | but what should sda1 be? |
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| 19:45.42 | kaosu | In the spirit of the DE discussion: I installed Debian stable using a bare minimum installation (the only tasksel package I picked was standard utilities) because I wanted to install Budgie with minimal packages. Budgie-desktop seemed to pull in most of the stuff I needed, but this was my first time doing this, so I am wondering if I might be missing something important? All is probably well, but I would just like anyone with experience doing something |
| 19:45.43 | kaosu | similar to chime in. I'm slowly installing all of the software I want, but I am just worried that I might have missed a package that is subtle, but important, to a Debian Desktop. |
| 19:46.04 | firef1y | oh, crap. this isn't #gentoo. |
| 19:46.41 | Fjorgynn | it isn't? |
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| 19:47.46 | jmcnaught | kaosu: what do you think you might be missing? |
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| 19:54.22 | RATS | Missing? Programs? |
| 19:54.30 | kaosu | jmcnaught, I'm just worried I might be missing something like some sort of user account service package, some dbus package, etc. Just something that might not bring everything to a screeching halt, but might still pose an issue down the road. |
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| 19:55.11 | kaosu | Though, I am willing to bet that the 'standard utilities' covers 100% of all of the packages required to have a functional Debian system and I am probably only missing out on GUI related stuff. |
| 19:56.00 | Scrutinizer | kaosu: sl ? fortune? cowsay? ;-) |
| 19:56.08 | jmcnaught | kaosu: i think you'll be fine |
| 19:56.13 | RATS | Check up clean RAM? |
| 19:56.38 | RATS | tried thinking |
| 19:56.53 | jelly | ,v budgie-desktop |
| 19:56.54 | judd | Package: budgie-desktop on amd64 -- stretch: 10.2.9-2; sid: 10.2.9-3; buster: 10.2.9-3; experimental: 10.3.1-2 |
| 19:57.29 | RATS | Oic... |
| 19:57.51 | kaosu | I guess my actual question was: 'does the standard utilities tasksel package provide everything you need for a stable Debian system to begin building on". |
| 19:58.04 | RATS | Subseven ? |
| 19:58.49 | RATS | Building operation? |
| 19:59.48 | kaosu | RATS, when I say 'building on' I am not being precise. I just mean have everything I need for the core OS so I can just pile on whatever software packages I want to do the tasks that are important to me. |
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| 20:00.24 | RATS | Easy.. |
| 20:00.43 | RATS | Oh yeah OS? |
| 20:00.50 | RATS | Alright |
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| 20:01.33 | RATS | Try azure OS |
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| 20:02.33 | jmcnaught | kaosu: that "standard utilities" task actually installs the packages that have the standard priority in Debian. You can use aptitude to search by priority like "aptitude search ~pstandard". What the priorities mean is here: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-priorities |
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| 20:03.16 | RATS | i just rats :) |
| 20:03.20 | jmcnaught | kaosu: on top of that, the budgie-desktop package will depend on anything it needs. If you did something like disabling recommends, *then* you might be missing packages that most people have. |
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| 20:04.27 | kaosu | jmcnaught, thanks for the information. That really does help clear things up for me. |
| 20:04.41 | imMute | kaosu: yes. I made my own flavor of Debian (for a product at $work) and I started with netinstall debian and the only things I selected on that menu were "SSH server" and "standard system utilities". it's not the absolute leanest thing to start with, but if you can affort a few GB sized image it's a really good starting place |
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| 20:06.18 | kaosu | imMute, thanks for sharing that experience. It makes me feel better knowing I was going down the right path. Like I said, this is my first time doing this, so I just wanted to make sure I was not going about this the wrong way. |
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| 20:07.15 | RATS | wrong way |
| 20:07.23 | RATS | :) |
| 20:07.37 | imMute | I would definitely say you should document what you're doing as you do it, and then use that documentation to recreate what you did once you're done. From experience, I know that lack of documentation will probably lead to missed steps when you need to repeat the process later. |
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| 20:08.25 | RATS | looking main tech.inc served.INI |
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| 20:18.39 | Nihilian | hey guys |
| 20:19.29 | Nihilian | I am a bit confused about the whole "keyboard input managers" for lack of a better term... |
| 20:20.05 | petn-randall | Nihilian: What do you mean with that, and what is confusing about it? |
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| 20:20.17 | Nihilian | I am using debian with xfce and it has its default "keyboard manager" which doesn't really support the Japanese keyboard I would like to use |
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| 20:20.34 | RATS | think airports |
| 20:20.34 | Nihilian | so the solution I find online is to install iBus or something else |
| 20:21.14 | Nihilian | but the problem is, now there are TWO programs managing the same thing and I don't know how is this managed in linux... :/ |
| 20:21.28 | RATS | Hmm... Akujibus.inc? |
| 20:21.46 | RATS | :( |
| 20:22.59 | Nihilian | I would like to understand, how does linux know which "keyboard manager" to "listen to" ? |
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| 20:24.40 | petn-randall | Nihilian: I don't know much about Japanese keyboard input, but you might have more chance asking in the japanese channel. |
| 20:24.43 | petn-randall | !jp |
| 20:24.43 | dpkg | Japanese speakers: please use #debianjp on irc.debian.or.jp or speak English here. |
| 20:25.01 | Nihilian | it doesn't have to do anything with japanese keyboard specifically |
| 20:25.15 | RATS | Go talk in |
| 20:25.36 | Nihilian | I am just interested in the "keybaord managers" and how the system knows which one to use in case there is more then one |
| 20:26.07 | Nihilian | I just mentioned japanese as an "introduction to my problem" haha :D |
| 20:26.09 | RATS | Call your technician .. |
| 20:26.22 | RATS | Haha |
| 20:26.29 | Nihilian | RATS: are you talking to me? |
| 20:26.36 | RATS | Yup |
| 20:26.45 | Nihilian | oh, ok |
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| 20:30.10 | Nihilian | I also have another question: Why is it that some commands are invisible (ie. system doesn't even know they exist) unless ran as "root". |
| 20:30.45 | Nihilian | programs, such as: reboot, shutdown, ldconfig... |
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| 20:31.22 | towo` | because they are not in users $PATH |
| 20:31.46 | Nihilian | is this a "debian" thing only? |
| 20:31.52 | towo` | and since they need root previleges, that is absolute normal |
| 20:31.57 | towo` | no, is not |
| 20:32.13 | Nihilian | because on most other systems these commands are seen without writing "sudo" before them |
| 20:33.08 | Nihilian | I don't mind that they need root priviliges, but for the command to be "invisible" is a bit strange |
| 20:33.24 | Nihilian | for example "apt-get" is visible even without root priviliges |
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| 20:33.43 | Nihilian | but it eventually does require to run it as root in case of installing something |
| 20:35.09 | Nihilian | is it a good idea to add these programs to the users $PATH ? |
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| 20:36.25 | n4dir | do something like "which apt-get" and it will probably tell you that apt-get is to be found here /usr/bin/apt-get, and /usr/bin is in the users $PATH, as echo $PATH will tell you. |
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| 20:37.26 | Nihilian | I understand, but what is the purpose of putting certain programs out of the $PATH? is there any benefit to it? |
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| 20:37.42 | bub_ | security |
| 20:39.04 | Nihilian | so, ... even though both "apt-get install..." and "reboot" have to be run with "sudo", ultimately "reboot" is still "more secure" for some reason because it is not inside $PATH ? |
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| 20:40.24 | bub_ | Hm, I was a bit too fast there.. |
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| 20:40.59 | n4dir | there probably is something a user can do with apt-get (i for one don't know what), so for some arguments (options) of the apt-get command only user privileges are needed. |
| 20:41.15 | n4dir | in general that seems an exception anyway. |
| 20:41.25 | Nihilian | what is an exception? |
| 20:41.55 | n4dir | apt-get, which for most of it's useful actions needs roots privileges, is to be found in /usr/bin |
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| 20:42.05 | Nihilian | I see... |
| 20:42.32 | Nihilian | but I still don't understand this design choice to put some programs outside of the $PATH... |
| 20:42.51 | n4dir | hmm .. there is the -s (like --simulate) argument / option to apt-get, perhaps for that reason it is in /usr/bin (i sure don't know, wild guessing over here) |
| 20:43.26 | n4dir | because you need root privileges to run them. programs in /usr/sbin are stuff like administrive tasks. None of the business of the user. |
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| 20:44.32 | Nihilian | the reason why this irritates me is because I usually check if a program is installed by running it and look at the prompt |
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| 20:44.48 | n4dir | use "which" instead. |
| 20:44.52 | Nihilian | and if you run "reboot" the prompt will say that it doesnt exist |
| 20:44.57 | Nihilian | and its irritating... |
| 20:45.13 | n4dir | ups, no, that doesn't seem to work. checks the users PATH, it seems |
| 20:45.31 | n4dir | try "whereis" instead |
| 20:45.33 | Nihilian | I learned to use "whereis" |
| 20:45.35 | Nihilian | yes |
| 20:45.37 | Nihilian | that one |
| 20:45.37 | n4dir | ha. |
| 20:45.54 | Nihilian | but I only have such problems in debian... nowhere else.. |
| 20:45.57 | Nihilian | it's so strange... |
| 20:46.15 | n4dir | just checked in slackware, and there it is like that too. doesn't seem uncommon to me |
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| 20:47.56 | Nihilian | I have manjaro (an arch derivative) on my laptop |
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| 20:48.20 | Nihilian | and not only it recognizes the reboot command, but also it doesn't need root priviliges |
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| 20:51.46 | n4dir | That is well possible. But it sure will have got a certain PATH for users (and root) and it sure will have got something like /usr/bin and /usr/sbin |
| 20:52.37 | n4dir | if you want to know how they achieve it, you will have to ask them. |
| 20:52.44 | Nihilian | I dont see the reason to make this very elementary command's access different across systems... |
| 20:52.54 | n4dir | (that -> the user being able to run "reboot") |
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| 20:55.23 | n4dir | but you probably do see a reason why some think that enabling the user to shutdown or reboot the system makes sense? Desktop Environments do that too, iirc. |
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| 20:55.59 | wonderfulmee | what's the prefered nomenclature to turn off a service that starts up? |
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| 20:56.50 | wonderfulmee | update-rc.d <service> disable? |
| 20:57.37 | zarulyakuza | look a flicker website |
| 20:57.52 | wonderfulmee | fuck your flicker of light |
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| 20:58.00 | wonderfulmee | what's the prefered nomenclature? |
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| 20:58.46 | wonderfulmee | that won't f* up future apt-upgrade's |
| 20:59.25 | zarulyakuza | Close also , hmm loose a problem |
| 20:59.30 | wonderfulmee | you see why people turn to Centos |
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| 20:59.52 | wonderfulmee | because all the fuckery not intended, but displayed |
| 21:00.10 | zarulyakuza | Calm down .. |
| 21:00.12 | jmcnaught | wonderfulmee: you can still use update-rc.d if you're used to it. Since jessie you can also use "systemctl disable <service>" or "systemctl mask <service>" (same commands would work on centos 7 by the way) |
| 21:00.26 | LtL | wonderfulmee: systemctl stop name.service |
| 21:00.39 | zarulyakuza | Hmm... |
| 21:00.53 | wonderfulmee | jmcnaught, so I CAN use systemctl |
| 21:00.59 | jmcnaught | wonderfulmee: of course |
| 21:01.07 | wonderfulmee | thanks a lot, jmcnaught. |
| 21:01.10 | LtL | wonderfulmee: disable will prevent it from starting on boot |
| 21:01.20 | jmcnaught | wonderfulmee: update-rc.d just uses systemctl in the background when systemd is init |
| 21:01.46 | wonderfulmee | update-rc.d is not pure |
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| 21:02.10 | wonderfulmee | it's not consistent is what I meant to say |
| 21:02.43 | wonderfulmee | this jmcnaught dude is alright. thanks, Jim. |
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| 21:03.02 | zarulyakuza | just a flicker |
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| 21:03.24 | wonderfulmee | you're a disaster to your parents, zarulyakuza |
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| 21:03.44 | wonderfulmee | so what are you guys getting hot on |
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| 21:04.02 | jmcnaught | !ot |
| 21:04.04 | zarulyakuza | U need fight? |
| 21:04.13 | bub_ | FIGHT! |
| 21:04.15 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 21:04.38 | wonderfulmee | not in your universe, fuckface |
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| 21:05.12 | zarulyakuza | Hmm.. |
| 21:05.39 | wonderfulmee | I'd certainly like to give yourself the time of the day but I got all those 70's cultists which is kinda cool |
| 21:06.23 | wonderfulmee | I'm from Moscow, Russia. Communist Russia. Would that be a problem? |
| 21:06.33 | bub_ | Explains everything |
| 21:06.34 | zarulyakuza | All world is a fight man |
| 21:06.36 | bub_ | (: |
| 21:06.47 | zarulyakuza | :) |
| 21:06.53 | wonderfulmee | so that would be a problem |
| 21:07.00 | jmcnaught | as interesting as this discussion is, it's not Debian tech support so please take it elsewhere |
| 21:07.04 | zarulyakuza | I dunno |
| 21:07.17 | zarulyakuza | Haha |
| 21:07.32 | wonderfulmee | or wouldn't that be a problem |
| 21:07.33 | zarulyakuza | U have a bom?atom? |
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| 21:07.47 | wonderfulmee | Very much have. |
| 21:07.55 | wonderfulmee | U have too. |
| 21:08.04 | zarulyakuza | Haha |
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| 21:08.43 | wonderfulmee | While you're cosplaying Fallout 5 |
| 21:08.49 | wonderfulmee | real shit gets in the wat |
| 21:08.54 | zarulyakuza | My no have .. Just normally .. |
| 21:08.57 | wonderfulmee | *way |
| 21:09.33 | zarulyakuza | look many way world wide |
| 21:09.42 | jim | wonderfulmee, cool :) |
| 21:09.45 | wonderfulmee | Fucking wake up, retards |
| 21:10.08 | wonderfulmee | We're back to the cold war or worse |
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| 21:10.27 | jim | wanders of to walk his turtle |
| 21:10.38 | jdfish | !ops wonderfulmee foul language, trolling |
| 21:10.43 | wonderfulmee | I guess I wouldn't accept a vote from you'se all |
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| 21:10.58 | zarulyakuza | just a waiting |
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| 21:11.23 | wonderfulmee | Well wake the fuck up and be seeing what you done doing |
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| 21:11.57 | wonderfulmee | Somebody's been cosplaying too much |
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| 21:12.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jdfish complains about: wonderfulmee foul language, trolling |
| 21:12.52 | wonderfulmee | Do I win a toy or something? |
| 21:13.07 | bub_ | probably a k/b |
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| 21:14.09 | brunch875 | hey I want to hop from fedora to debian but I wouldn't want to give up recent packages. Is there a cutting-edge debian? |
| 21:14.27 | wonderfulmee | Yes, update your sources. |
| 21:14.33 | bub_ | testing/unstable |
| 21:14.33 | wonderfulmee | Faith in humanity lost. |
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| 21:15.13 | wonderfulmee | WHy you fuckers like a hit a quest |
| 21:15.33 | bub_ | been awake for some days wonderfulmee ? |
| 21:15.46 | jmcnaught | brunch875: stable releases happen every couple of years and versions are frozen. There are backports repos to get newer versions of some software. Debian also has testing/unstable which are meant for development purposes not end users, and do not get security updates very quickly but some people still use them |
| 21:15.50 | wonderfulmee | bub_, not at all. |
| 21:15.58 | bub_ | wonderfulmee: what's going on? drugs? drinking? |
| 21:16.19 | zarulyakuza | Hmm... |
| 21:16.33 | zarulyakuza | calm down |
| 21:16.34 | wonderfulmee | bub_, drinking is going on. fuck are you to ask the questions and answer none |
| 21:16.45 | brunch875 | jmcnaught: they don't get security updates quickly? That's odd... do they go to stable first? |
| 21:17.20 | wonderfulmee | y'all vulnerable to that latest published NSA shit. |
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| 21:17.41 | jmcnaught | brunch875: yeah, stable first and unstable only as maintainers update packages, and then testing 10 days after it hits unstable unless it gets blocked for some reason |
| 21:18.02 | zarulyakuza | All NSA shit ;) |
| 21:18.04 | wonderfulmee | fuck am I seeing. |
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| 21:18.10 | jmcnaught | so if you need security, or a system that works predictably the same way every day, then use the stable release |
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| 21:18.20 | petn-randall | wonderfulmee: Do you have a Debian support question? If not, please be quiet. |
| 21:18.21 | brunch875 | jmcnaught: so I take it unstable is more or less like a rolling release? |
| 21:18.33 | petn-randall | wonderfulmee: Also try to keep it family-friendly in here. |
| 21:18.35 | brunch875 | Think I'm going to give unstable a go then :) |
| 21:18.46 | n4dir | rather less then more, brunch875, but i for one would see it like that. |
| 21:18.52 | bub_ | wonderfulmee: hehe sure, had to be something, you're rambling like a motherf.. drink more, much more |
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| 21:19.22 | wonderfulmee | petn-randall, are you seeing same as I |
| 21:19.26 | wonderfulmee | <jmcnaught> so if you need security, or a system that works predictably the same way every day, then use the stable release |
| 21:19.26 | wonderfulmee | * zarulyakuza (b74e3956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.183.78.57.86) has left |
| 21:19.26 | wonderfulmee | <petn-randall> wonderfulmee: Do you have a Debian support question? If not, please be quiet. |
| 21:19.26 | wonderfulmee | <brunch875> jmcnaught: so I take it unstable is more or less like a rolling release? |
| 21:19.26 | wonderfulmee | <petn-randall> wonderfulmee: Also try to keep it family-friendly in here. |
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| 21:19.36 | petn-randall | hahaha |
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| 21:19.45 | n4dir | brunch875: during the freeze to prepare the release of the next stable debian version, there ain't much happening in unstable too |
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| 21:21.26 | jmcnaught | brunch875: you might want to read about the various caveats. Also Debian 9 is brand new so software is still recent, might be better to learn Debian on then consider unstable in a few months. Unstable has a lot of changes happening right now. |
| 21:22.17 | n4dir | i sure would first try stable with backports. At least to get used to debian. |
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| 21:22.40 | brunch875 | I had been using ubuntu for a long while, so it shouldn't be very different |
| 21:22.42 | RATS | *trojan. Looking |
| 21:22.42 | n4dir | that is: i agree |
| 21:23.17 | brunch875 | I was happy on fedora except for «the little things» such as selinux being intrusive |
| 21:23.20 | dontknow | debian stable FTW |
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| 21:23.36 | RATS | no good world |
| 21:23.40 | n4dir | brunch875: you can install stable, use it, and upgrade it easily to testing or unstable later. There ain't a big disadvantage (otoh you can't downgrade from unstable or testing to stable) |
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| 21:24.02 | brunch875 | it's alright, if something breaks I'll just reinstall :P |
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| 21:24.15 | n4dir | ha. or that :-) |
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| 21:30.33 | brunch875 | ah so unstable is what's called sid and the python version is 3.5 https://packages.debian.org/sid/python/python3 |
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| 22:13.11 | kaosu | Does anyone here use the apt-transport-https package and force their updates over SSL? I'm wondering if there is a maintained list of update servers that support https. |
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| 22:15.58 | jmcnaught | kaosu: just use https://deb.debian.org/ service, it supports https and is the fastest for most people |
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| 22:17.35 | kaosu | jmcnaught: Awesome, just what I was looking for. Thanks. |
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| 22:29.43 | Fjorgynn | anyone here used pandoc+wkhtmltopdf? |
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| 22:34.07 | obiwahn | http://paste.debian.net/978830/ |
| 22:34.20 | obiwahn | i have some trouble updating my database |
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| 23:00.36 | pesho | hello. I need a help with a bluetooth |
| 23:02.22 | pesho | I'm on debian 9 stretch with xfce. I have bluez and over it I installed blueman but I can't search for devices nor devices found the pc. Why and what to do? |
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| 23:13.32 | pesho | anyone? |
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| 23:44.35 | rebekah | i was wondering if anyone had experience installing debian on a vps from the netisnt image (9.1), i have been wanting to experiment with FDE on a vps following these instructions (https://www.linode.com/docs/security/full-disk-encryption) but i keep getting an error about detecting and mounting the cd-rom drive... oddly there is no /dev/sdb in the installer when i drop into another console... whats going on |
| 23:44.37 | rebekah | exactly? |
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| 23:50.33 | petn-randall | rebekah: Is the netinstaller from your VPS provider, or did you prepare it yourself? |
| 23:50.51 | rebekah | petn-randall: i prepared it myself |
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| 23:51.29 | petn-randall | rebekah: How exactly? |
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| 23:52.37 | rebekah | i downloaded the netinst iso and used dd to copy the iso onto the raw disk i want to use to install from |
| 23:52.58 | rebekah | it boots the installer... so that part worked at least |
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| 23:55.24 | tomitf | i need some help ,i don't konw how to connect my calble modem,it is assigned IP automatically by Serice Provider and i don't own the network account.the linux OS can identify whether the network line is connected,but the network is not connected,how should i setup my pc? |
| 23:55.29 | docmur | Hey guys, I'm working on a Wheezy Server, I've done all the upgrades to it, so it's up to date for Wheezy, my question is regarding SSH. I want to configure SSH so that a user can use either a key + TOTP or Password + TOTP, the SSH Version on Wheezy doesn't support AuthenticationMethods |
| 23:55.45 | rebekah | i also tried running the installed with full virutalization instead of paraviritualization... that didnt change the result |
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