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| 00:01.18 | tharkun | jessie->stretch |
| 00:01.24 | tharkun | !jessie->stretch |
| 00:01.36 | tharkun | AciD`: see that factoid under dpkg bot. |
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| 00:04.32 | AciD` | `apt update` segfault, while `apt-get update` does not |
| 00:05.27 | AciD` | when I run `apt-get dist-upgrade`, I see this error message : "E: The value 'jessie' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources" |
| 00:05.49 | AciD` | I do not remember modifying apt config |
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| 00:08.03 | tharkun | Review your sources file. |
| 00:09.25 | n0rthlight | When you apt-get install does the app will auto update when I apt-get update && upgrade after? |
| 00:09.33 | AciD` | ah, `cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99user` -> APT::Default-Release "jessie"; Acquire::PDiffs "false"; |
| 00:10.00 | AciD` | `dpkg -S /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99user` returns nothing |
| 00:10.08 | AciD` | I do not remember setting that up :x |
| 00:11.34 | AciD` | http://paste.debian.net/979442/ |
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| 00:31.05 | tharkun | My keyboard Prior key is busted so I tried to generate a keymap modification where the "Next" and "Prior" functions are derived from the same key yet I am unable to do so. Can someone help me? xmodmap -e "keycode 117 = w W" works xmodmap -e "keycode 117 = Next Prior " does not work. Any clue or search term? |
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| 00:42.24 | tharkun | !xmodmap |
| 00:42.24 | dpkg | well, xmodmap is the tool from heaven. It fixed my backspace key to do what it's supposed to. (it modifies X keymaps), or, the tools from hell if you try to apply more than one modmap to the same session |
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| 01:13.49 | HeXiLeD | seems i broke apt. apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg.so.5.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:14.11 | HeXiLeD | what is the current known solution that does not require re-install ? |
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| 01:15.45 | chicognu | HeXiLeD, try to get that lib from some where and put in place |
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| 01:16.46 | chicognu | HeXiLeD, or compile apt-get from source and install. but my suggestions are not more than a guees |
| 01:16.56 | HeXiLeD | this just happened. i have not done anything yet |
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| 01:18.23 | badargo | hey! theres no init service on debian? was it replaced by systemd? |
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| 01:19.16 | mxh- | uh, just download the .deb and dpkg -i :) |
| 01:19.19 | mxh- | HeXiLeD: ^ |
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| 01:19.35 | mxh- | badargo: yep systemd. /etc/init.d is still there |
| 01:19.42 | badargo | how do u scroll up when using the screen multiplexer? |
| 01:20.34 | mxh- | badargo: press prefix+escape |
| 01:20.54 | badargo | the book im reading says init is the parent and grand parent of daemons... but cant see it in pstree |
| 01:21.00 | chicognu | mxh-, was you trying to help me yesterday with something relating rc.local dont working ? |
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| 01:21.40 | petn-randall | HeXiLeD: What did you do to reach this situation? Also, can you please provide the following: |
| 01:21.40 | dos000_ | anyone know how you tell netcat to send packets and not expect anything back. apparently there is this send-only option but not in debian linux |
| 01:21.43 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 01:21.43 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 01:22.28 | petn-randall | dos000_: Just ignore anything coming back in UDP mode? |
| 01:22.58 | dos000_ | yeah .. |
| 01:24.08 | mxh- | chicognu: not sure - are you the one on raspbian? |
| 01:24.33 | petn-randall | dos000_: cat data_you_want_to_send | nc -u destination > /dev/null |
| 01:25.00 | petn-randall | dos000_: Though you might get a better answer if you try to explain the problem you're trying to solve. |
| 01:25.07 | petn-randall | !xy problem |
| 01:25.07 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
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| 01:27.18 | dos000_ | petn-randall: i am following this https://github.com/firehol/netdata/wiki/statsd .. and they have a script at the end to send udp packets to statsd from the shell. they mention a --send-only option which debian does not have. Right now when i call that script it just hangs and i am assuming its expecting an answer and wants to timeout |
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| 01:28.53 | dos000_ | btw i removed the --send-only option for now |
| 01:29.18 | badargo | what prefix means in prefix+ escape? |
| 01:29.23 | jmcnaught | badargo: systemd replaces sysvinit. When the kernel boots the first program it loads (PID 1) is /sbin/init. On Debian by default that is systemd |
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| 01:29.57 | chicognu | mxh-, no. im the one using a old debian, wheezy... any way, rc.local dint start my the openvpn because the path to executable must be in /etc/init.d/rc.local |
| 01:30.02 | badargo | ohh i see. thank you jmcnaught ! |
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| 01:30.47 | mxh- | chicognu: oh right! ok, glad you solved it :) |
| 01:31.56 | chicognu | :) |
| 01:32.23 | badargo | i can pgrep a pid using the job name, can i grep a job using the pid? |
| 01:32.53 | badargo | ahh it show all jobs with that number :P |
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| 01:33.28 | badargo | no it doesnt.. 0.o |
| 01:33.47 | petn-randall | dos000_: Do you get an error? |
| 01:34.27 | dos000_ | no .. its just slow .. but i am puzzled why would udp require a reply ? |
| 01:35.37 | petn-randall | dos000_: It doesn't, netcat usually closes the network connection as soon as it finishes sending the EOF from the input. |
| 01:35.52 | petn-randall | dos000_: ping from that machine to the target works? |
| 01:36.02 | dos000_ | its on the localhost |
| 01:36.37 | badargo | wheres inittab ? |
| 01:36.52 | dos000_ | petn-randall: do you see any issue with the way the script is sending the upd from the shell on that page ? its doing a printf for example |
| 01:37.06 | petn-randall | badargo: How far did you get searching yourself? |
| 01:37.39 | badargo | find / -name inittab |
| 01:37.47 | badargo | no results |
| 01:38.02 | petn-randall | dos000_: Are you using the examples from there with echo "foo" | nc ...? |
| 01:38.30 | petn-randall | dos000_: If you have a more complex test, the first command might not be closing the FD, and then nc might still be waiting for feedback. |
| 01:38.37 | petn-randall | badargo: google? |
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| 01:38.59 | badargo | says its in /etc/inittab, its not |
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| 01:39.25 | petn-randall | badargo: I guess that answers your question then. |
| 01:40.11 | jmcnaught | badargo: systemd works differently than sysvinit, but it is also fairly well documented. One good starting place I recommend is this blog series along with other docs on that page, and of course the man pages on your system: https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/#thesystemdforadministratorsblogseries |
| 01:41.03 | dos000_ | petn-randall: i was running the script as is without the --send-only option |
| 01:41.15 | dos000_ | then i tried with echo |
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| 01:41.45 | badargo | jmcnaught: do u know what is the system initialization file on systemd? |
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| 01:43.27 | jmcnaught | badargo: there is no single file, there are units. "man systemd" discusses the concepts |
| 01:44.32 | mxh- | badargo: `sudo systemctl list-unit-files` also `man systemctl` is a good read in addition to what jmcnaught said |
| 01:44.55 | badargo | thank you, im gonna read it |
| 01:45.30 | mxh- | badargo: or, if you just want to get something working, google how to make a systemd service. it's pretty simple. |
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| 01:47.13 | HeXiLeD | petn-randall: this seems to have solved the problem of broken apt: dpkg -i apt_1.0.9.8.4_amd64.deb libapt-pkg4.12_1.0.9.8.4_amd64.deb libstdc++6_4.9.2-10_amd64.deb apt-transport-https_1.0.9.8.4_amd64.deb and it broke when updating to stretch. Lets see if it upgrades now |
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| 01:53.43 | badargo | cann someone explain the difference between halt, shutdown and power off? |
| 01:53.58 | badargo | google is messy about that |
| 01:55.32 | badargo | theres also shutdown -h and shutdown -p and just shutdown 0.o |
| 01:56.28 | petn-randall | badargo: they all point to the same man page. Just ask if you don't understand anything in there. |
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| 01:57.36 | badargo | i got the man page open here. it doesnt explain what is the difference between shutdown and shutdown -A nor shutdown and shutdown -H, just mention they are options |
| 01:58.03 | badargo | theres also shutdown -P for poweroff |
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| 01:58.45 | badargo | ops the shutdown -A was supposed to mean shutdown -P :P |
| 01:58.46 | badargo | eww |
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| 01:59.46 | jmcnaught | badargo: look at the longer explanations in systemctl(1) for the halt and poweroff commands |
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| 02:00.39 | mxh- | halt powers off the CPU. shutdown actually shuts your computer down. that's what i gather |
| 02:00.44 | badargo | man systemctl1? |
| 02:01.21 | jmcnaught | badargo: 'man man' :P |
| 02:01.33 | badargo | just opened it :S |
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| 02:03.05 | mxh- | if you wanna dig deeper, man systemd-halt.service |
| 02:04.46 | badargo | this man page must have thousands of pages... |
| 02:05.29 | petn-randall | badargo: You can use "/<keyword>" to search through it. Press 'n' to search forward, and 'N' to search backwards again. |
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| 02:10.59 | badargo | petn-randall: thanks! |
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| 02:11.20 | badargo | this is one thing i have to remember at all costs :P |
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| 02:11.55 | universalpackage | how do i fix this https://bpaste.net/raw/cf790bd9d6bb (strace log) |
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| 02:14.40 | petn-randall | universalpackage: Are you using the package from Debian, or did you build it yourself from the source? |
| 02:18.22 | universalpackage | i got it from here https://github.com/q3aql/aria2-static-builds/releases/download/v1.32.0/aria2-1.32.0-linux-gnu-64bit-build1.tar.bz2 |
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| 02:19.22 | abrotman | makes sense .. |
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| 02:20.40 | petn-randall | ,v aria2 |
| 02:20.42 | judd | Package: aria2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.15.1-1; jessie: 1.18.8-1; stretch: 1.30.0-2; sid: 1.32.0-1; buster: 1.32.0-1 |
| 02:21.14 | petn-randall | universalpackage: There's no need to build it yourself, it's already in Debian. Just run 'apt install aria2'. |
| 02:22.21 | dvs | gets ready sns |
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| 02:22.41 | universalpackage | without strace i get this https://bpaste.net/raw/eb05b4c96de6 |
| 02:22.56 | petn-randall | ... |
| 02:24.04 | universalpackage | however im using an out dated version of the distro i usually use |
| 02:24.50 | petn-randall | universalpackage: What distro are you using? |
| 02:24.51 | dvs | universalpackage, what does the newer version does that the one in the distro can't do? |
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| 02:25.18 | kkerwin | Hi. Trying to install a package on 16.04, and hitting an error. Pretty sure I've seen this error before and that there is a simple command to fix it, but can't remember it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25230435/ |
| 02:25.27 | universalpackage | it portable? |
| 02:25.31 | petn-randall | kkerwin: Ubuntu 16.04? |
| 02:25.43 | kkerwin | As a note, I've had the problem on both debian 9 and Ubuntu 16.04. Currently booting debian 9 |
| 02:25.54 | kkerwin | ... and experiencing this problem. |
| 02:26.08 | universalpackage | it statically linked |
| 02:26.23 | universalpackage | the one from distro is not statically linked |
| 02:26.32 | petn-randall | universalpackage: *which* distro are you running, though? |
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| 02:27.07 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 02:27.07 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 02:27.20 | petn-randall | kkerwin: Can you provide *all* info above from the Debian machine? |
| 02:27.47 | kkerwin | petn-randall: Sure thing! |
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| 02:29.36 | universalpackage | chakra 2016-02-25 (although i did find "The /etc/ld. so.nohwcap has a bug on older Debian-based linux systems where the /etc/ld. so.nohwcap is missing, in which /etc/ld. so.nohwcap is very important on older Debian-based Linux Systems" wich the file is mentioned in the strace at 'access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)') |
| 02:31.21 | badargo | hey, if alias ls='ls --color=auto', why i summon the list command when i type ls? |
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| 02:32.03 | universalpackage | what you mean |
| 02:32.26 | badargo | its the ls command with automatic color? |
| 02:32.30 | universalpackage | yes |
| 02:32.47 | universalpackage | eg do alias ls='ls --help' ; ls |
| 02:33.11 | kkerwin | petn-randall: https://paste.debian.net/979452/ |
| 02:33.25 | universalpackage | wait do ls on a seperate line as it doesnt seem to work with ; |
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| 02:34.02 | badargo | ohhh noice! im gonna make alias up='sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && echo woofie!' |
| 02:34.15 | universalpackage | lol oki |
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| 02:34.48 | badargo | but how i delete an alias? rm /path/to/alias/folder ? universalpackage |
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| 02:35.18 | universalpackage | also in bash the equivilent to an alias is a function (use $@ to include its params if the alias is a path to an external application) |
| 02:35.26 | Milo- | badargo unalias |
| 02:35.47 | mxh- | badargo: unalias is temporary, edit the file afterwards :) |
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| 02:36.00 | universalpackage | revert it back with alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 02:36.14 | universalpackage | (or what ever ur original alias was |
| 02:36.24 | badargo | ohh :D this is cool stuff! thank you guys |
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| 02:37.04 | universalpackage | wonder if alias's and bash functions are the same |
| 02:38.09 | petn-randall | kkerwin: thanks, what is the output of 'apt-cache policy'? |
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| 02:39.00 | kkerwin | petn-randall: https://paste.debian.net/979453/ |
| 02:39.29 | universalpackage | also why is /etc/ld. so.nohwcap important? |
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| 02:41.11 | petn-randall | kkerwin: Does it work fine if you remove opensmtpd-extras? If yes, it looks like that package wasn't updated properly. I can't find such a bug in the bug tracker (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=opensmtpd-extras), so if that's the case I'd file a bug against it. Use 'reportbug' to guide you through the process. |
| 02:41.23 | petn-randall | (gotta go now, hope it helps) |
| 02:41.30 | kkerwin | petn-randall: Thanks. |
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| 02:45.27 | badargo | say i want to grep a word input in /usr/share/dict/words like grep dog /usr/share/dict/words... but want to make an alias for that... alias word ()= grep () /usr/share/dict/words how u guys do that? |
| 02:47.15 | universalpackage | as in an alias for `cat /usr/share/dict/words | grep dog` ? |
| 02:47.50 | jmcnaught | !uuoc |
| 02:47.50 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
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| 02:48.46 | universalpackage | as in an alias for `grep dog /usr/share/dict/words` ? |
| 02:49.12 | universalpackage | i keep forgetting that most commands have file input as an argumenty |
| 02:49.17 | universalpackage | argument* |
| 02:50.15 | badargo | universalpackage: yess |
| 02:50.28 | badargo | but not the dog word, a word u choose at the time |
| 02:51.12 | universalpackage | depends if the alias itself supports $@ |
| 02:51.54 | universalpackage | it might, it depends if bash.rc acts the same way as a bash script or not |
| 02:52.36 | badargo | then maybe it should be an alias that run a bash script hehe |
| 02:52.39 | jmcnaught | badargo: inside the bash man page do '/^ALIASES' to jump to the section about them |
| 02:52.43 | AciD` | hey guys, would you see why my jessie->stretch upgrade held back two packages? : http://paste.debian.net/979454/ |
| 02:53.46 | universalpackage | i dont think aliases support $@ |
| 02:54.06 | universalpackage | as "alias ek2=`grep $@ /usr/share/dict/cracklib-small`" is taking forever to return back to the shell |
| 02:54.33 | universalpackage | u should be able to impliment it as a function tho |
| 02:54.44 | universalpackage | ek() { grep $@ /usr/share/dict/cracklib-small ; } |
| 02:54.51 | jmcnaught | AciD`: are the packages held or pinned? They're just -dev packages, can you remove them and reinstall them? |
| 02:55.18 | universalpackage | although replace ek with the same u wish to use for calling the function |
| 02:55.45 | universalpackage | and replace cracklib-small with words (as mine only had that file) |
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| 03:07.22 | AciD` | jmcnaught -> I just removed them, they had no dependency |
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| 03:20.46 | n0rthlight | In Debian firewall is installed by default? |
| 03:21.08 | jmcnaught | no |
| 03:21.36 | n0rthlight | Would you mind providing its name again? |
| 03:22.34 | Milo- | iptables? |
| 03:22.38 | jmcnaught | n0rthlight: netfilter is the firewall part of the Linux kernel. For years the primary tool to configure it has been iptables. New in stretch is its replacement nftables |
| 03:23.39 | n0rthlight | Ok I will stick with Iptables since its also what I used in Ubuntu, you know the name of that graphical interface ? |
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| 03:28.19 | universalpackage | will unsetting LANGUAGE/LANG cause problems for other binaries? |
| 03:28.28 | n0rthlight | I got it :) My bad Gufw was its name. |
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| 04:17.58 | Hyp3ri0n | hello |
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| 04:18.16 | Hyp3ri0n | currently im on a jessie system,but i want gcc-6 |
| 04:18.20 | Hyp3ri0n | what do i do? |
| 04:18.26 | jmcnaught | upgrade to stretch |
| 04:18.42 | Hyp3ri0n | but my computer is quite old |
| 04:19.04 | Hyp3ri0n | i dont think it can run stretch...even my laptop hangs a bit while running stretch |
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| 04:20.28 | jmcnaught | I don't think there's that much difference in requirements from release to release. If your desktop environment uses more resources in the newer version, you could use a different one or even a window manager |
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| 04:20.46 | Hyp3ri0n | yes |
| 04:21.11 | Hyp3ri0n | but then i could not be able to view all those youtube videos or surf the net properly |
| 04:21.27 | Hyp3ri0n | also it is a bit of a hassle tht i want to avoid atm |
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| 04:23.10 | jmcnaught | ,v firefox-esr |
| 04:23.11 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 52.2.0esr-2; buster: 52.2.0esr-2 |
| 04:23.17 | jmcnaught | ,v chromium |
| 04:23.18 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 59.0.3071.86-1; buster: 59.0.3071.104-1; sid: 60.0.3112.78-1 |
| 04:24.02 | Hyp3ri0n | by window manager i think you meant i3 or such |
| 04:24.06 | jmcnaught | Hyp3ri0n: same firefox-esr on jessie and stretch, chromium on stretch isn't that much newer, but chromium's probably not a good pick for struggling hardware |
| 04:24.17 | jmcnaught | yeah, there are dozens of them |
| 04:24.18 | Hyp3ri0n | hmm |
| 04:27.54 | Hyp3ri0n | ,v isl |
| 04:27.55 | judd | No package named 'isl' was found in amd64. |
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| 04:28.18 | jmcnaught | Hyp3ri0n: you can /msg judd |
| 04:28.29 | Hyp3ri0n | ok |
| 04:29.29 | jmcnaught | Hyp3ri0n: aptitude search ~Gx11::window-manager |
| 04:29.30 | p_ | devian is better? |
| 04:29.48 | jmcnaught | what is a devian? |
| 04:30.12 | p_ | devuian is the new debian without systemd |
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| 04:30.57 | jmcnaught | It's unlikely for a fork with far fewer resources than Debian will be superior |
| 04:32.32 | jmcnaught | p_: it's a matter of opinion, but not the kind of opinion we like to discuss around here as other distros and debates like emacs vs. vi, systemd vs. sysvinit are off-topic here |
| 04:35.27 | p_ | that is intressting things |
| 04:36.35 | jmcnaught | p_: FYI you can still use sysvinit instead of systemd as init in Debian |
| 04:37.26 | p_ | ok |
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| 05:56.42 | darsie | Shall I get a new computer before reinstalling debian? |
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| 06:04.53 | Sabotender | darsie: doubtful. Debian is capable of running on even the crappiest of computers. ;-) |
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| 06:05.45 | darsie | yeah, but I might want a new one so may be reinstalling twice or moving the reinstallation to the new computer. |
| 06:06.40 | darsie | it |
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| 06:30.03 | hiya | is this a good command to create a user with least rights? |
| 06:30.03 | hiya | adduser --system --no-create-home --disabled-login openvpn |
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| 06:45.40 | BW^- | what's the best 7" tablet to run Linux on (with Intel CPU and preferably lots of RAM)? |
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| 07:02.08 | bolt | BW^-: best how? |
| 07:04.10 | Ke | aren't x86 tablets mostly completely locked down |
| 07:04.18 | Nawab | does configuring /etc/environment take effect at once? |
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| 07:04.49 | Ke | somehow someone might recommend amlogic, allwinner or rockchip SoCs for tables |
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| 07:08.48 | bolt | Nawab: programs do not generally watch that file for changes. it will take effect when the file is read |
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| 07:09.06 | Nawab | bolt: how much time? |
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| 07:09.21 | bolt | Nawab: no time. new logins, for instance, would read that file. |
| 07:09.35 | bolt | Nawab: if you want to set an environment variable in your current session, just set it |
| 07:09.39 | Nawab | ok |
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| 07:10.39 | bolt | also, please be careful modifying system wide environment files. you might prevent anyone from logging in |
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| 07:13.57 | pingfloyd | just make sure it ultimately won't prevent root access |
| 07:14.12 | pingfloyd | if you can get that, you can always fix whatever happened |
| 07:14.26 | pingfloyd | even if you can't, but then it's some extra work |
| 07:14.34 | apollo13 | even with crazy app-armor policies? |
| 07:14.57 | apollo13 | I know you can at least lock it down with selinux to a point where you need to mount the disk externally |
| 07:14.57 | pingfloyd | app-armor is a whole can of worms of its own |
| 07:15.25 | apollo13 | right, just saying that you maybe cannot always fix everything with root if the system was configured crazily enough :) |
| 07:15.31 | pingfloyd | that's MAC for you though |
| 07:15.47 | pingfloyd | that's why I won't bother with mac unless it's a public facing server |
| 07:16.28 | apollo13 | that is something I like on centos/rhel, selinux is active by default |
| 07:16.41 | pingfloyd | probably a good default for those |
| 07:16.52 | pingfloyd | since they're intended usage is production servers |
| 07:16.55 | pingfloyd | their |
| 07:16.58 | apollo13 | and debian is not? :) |
| 07:17.10 | pingfloyd | I think debian is good for anything |
| 07:17.13 | apollo13 | fwiw they even have it enabled on desktop machines (last time I checked) |
| 07:17.17 | pingfloyd | both desktop and server |
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| 07:29.46 | jsleeio | hiya. I'm using bootstrap-vz to build AWS AMIs for Kubernetes and trying [failing] to figure out how to escape {} in its config. Halp? |
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| 07:36.02 | jsleeio | (to complicate things slightly... i'm using kube-deploy 'imagebuilder' to invoke it, so the manifest is preprocessed with golang templates as well :-/ ... but I've confirmed via examining the final generated manifest that golang isn't getting in the way) |
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| 07:48.24 | babilen | jsleeio: You might want to ask in a kubernetes channel (on Slack unfortunately) and/or provide additional information as to what exactly goes wrong |
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| 07:49.34 | Guest37802 | debian is good, I'm using debian as my desktop instead of windows |
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| 07:52.57 | Nawab | ,v symbola |
| 07:52.58 | judd | No package named 'symbola' was found in amd64. |
| 07:53.12 | Nawab | does a font package called symbola exist? |
| 07:53.23 | Nawab | i did apt-cache search,but didnt found it |
| 07:53.49 | Nawab | i think i might hav forgotten the correct name |
| 07:53.57 | bolt | Nawab: fonts-symbola |
| 07:54.04 | Nawab | ok |
| 07:54.18 | Nawab | nope |
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| 07:54.24 | Nawab | didnt give any results |
| 07:54.32 | Nawab | ,v fonts-symbola |
| 07:54.33 | judd | Package: fonts-symbola on amd64 -- buster: 2.59-1; sid: 2.59-1; stretch: 2.59-1 |
| 07:54.38 | Nawab | ok |
| 07:54.43 | jsleeio | babilen: yeah i did. nobody awake that seems to know about it :-/ and also I figured asking here may be better as bootstrap-vz is a debian thing, not a kube thing |
| 07:54.45 | Nawab | so its only for stretch |
| 07:54.49 | bolt | might be called something else in jessie |
| 07:54.53 | Nawab | but im on jessie |
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| 07:57.40 | jsleeio | babilen: i can work around it. NBD. just frustrating |
| 07:57.43 | babilen | jsleeio: Sure - I simply figured that you'd find more people in a kubernets related channel - obviously asking in both is better. |
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| 07:58.38 | babilen | I am also not entirely sure what the problem is .. are {} interpreted as being part of a markup language at one point, while you want them to be passed on literally to the next parser/renderer ? |
| 07:59.00 | jsleeio | am using the commands section to do some very minimal setup (google totp) and need to insert ${USER}... and bootstrap-vz interprets {foo} as a variable reference |
| 07:59.10 | jsleeio | the usual backslash escaping doesn't work |
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| 07:59.29 | babilen | Another idea would be to open an issue on kube-deploy and ask there... |
| 07:59.31 | jsleeio | need to insert ${USER} into a file, that is. |
| 08:00.13 | babilen | .oO( And why am I wasting hours of my life on something as trivial as that? ) |
| 08:00.14 | babilen | ;) |
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| 08:01.53 | jsleeio | better idea: move the build commands into a script in a git repo, clone it, run them. |
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| 08:02.34 | Nawab | ,v runtest |
| 08:02.35 | judd | No package named 'runtest' was found in amd64. |
| 08:02.42 | Nawab | ,v dlltool |
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| 08:02.43 | judd | No package named 'dlltool' was found in amd64. |
| 08:02.45 | jsleeio | i will raise a thing in bootstrap-vz github project though. maybe it doesn't even have escaping :-) |
| 08:03.26 | Nawab | can anyone say which packages contain these tools: runtest,dlltool,lipo,windres,windmc |
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| 08:04.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell Nawab -about apt-file |
| 08:04.35 | babilen | judd: file bin/runtest |
| 08:04.38 | judd | Search for bin/runtest in stretch/amd64: dejagnu: usr/bin/runtest |
| 08:04.52 | babilen | Nawab: ^^ -- /msg judd file bin/dlltool |
| 08:05.12 | Nawab | babilen: im on jessie |
| 08:05.56 | babilen | Nawab: pass "--release jessie" to the command or use apt-file as explained in the private message by our bot |
| 08:06.13 | Nawab | ok |
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| 08:10.08 | Nawab | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.20 | Nawab | is this correct...idk bcoz its giving me error |
| 08:10.20 | Nawab | s |
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| 08:16.19 | hexhaxtron | Can someone help me with this? https://paste.debian.net/979466/ |
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| 09:15.02 | Hyp3ri0n | is this correct? GOROOT=/opt/go ... its in .profile |
| 09:16.03 | Hyp3ri0n | heres the whole file http://paste.debian.net/979479/ |
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| 09:21.45 | bolt | Hyp3ri0n: correct how? if that's where go is, i guess it's a correct way of setting an environment variable called "GOROOT" and adding the bin directory within to your PATH |
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| 09:26.42 | Hyp3ri0n | bolt fixes it |
| 09:26.46 | Hyp3ri0n | fixed* |
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| 09:35.07 | shtrb | Is there a way for me to know if mirror is currently under update ? (did apt-get update && apt-get -d install and got package not found (after a successfull update)) ? |
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| 09:43.31 | Haohmaru | what happens to a symlink which points into a mounted location... when that location isn't mounted? |
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| 09:47.40 | undersk0r | hey guys |
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| 09:49.11 | bolt | Haohmaru: it'll remain in a so-called "dangling" state, the same state as if you link to a file and then delete it, or force the creation of a symlink to a non-existent location |
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| 09:49.54 | bolt | Haohmaru: or, on the off chance that the underlying file system contains a matching target, it'll link to that |
| 09:49.58 | undersk0r | Is there any terminal that will give me a notification as soon theres an update on the terminal session? |
| 09:50.15 | Haohmaru | bolt, so that sounds like a bad idea then |
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| 09:50.30 | bolt | Haohmaru: depends on the use case |
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| 09:51.29 | bolt | undersk0r: terminal emulators? no idea. but terminal multiplexers such as "screen" can give you notifications on activity, or lack thereof, of background windows, if that's of any use to you |
| 09:51.38 | Haohmaru | i have a library located in a folder on my windows D:\ .. which does not get automatically mounted on reboot, i mount it manually by pressing its button in pcmanfm, and then it asks me for root password |
| 09:52.07 | bolt | undersk0r: those will remain in the terminal connected to screen, however. it will not make nice fluffy graphical pop-ups |
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| 09:52.16 | Haohmaru | that's fine by me.. thing is.. i want to have this folder available as a parent folder to a location in my home folder |
| 09:52.36 | Haohmaru | i did it with the symlink, and it appears to work at first sight |
| 09:52.38 | undersk0r | anything that woill do enough to get my notification. it is time critical.. bolt |
| 09:52.59 | bolt | Haohmaru: it will, given you mount it before use. otherwise your application will probably report that the file couldn't be found |
| 09:53.02 | Haohmaru | i'm okay about having to mount the partition every time before using the files |
| 09:53.14 | Haohmaru | yes, that's acceptable |
| 09:53.21 | bolt | !tell undersk0r about hurry |
| 09:53.22 | Haohmaru | as long as nothing breaks in a bad way |
| 09:53.36 | bolt | Haohmaru: try it :) |
| 09:53.43 | bolt | Haohmaru: it would be application dependent |
| 09:53.54 | Haohmaru | i did.. but i don't want to start trying whether it can break in a bad way |
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| 09:54.16 | Haohmaru | i was concerned whether it would even work after a reboot |
| 09:54.25 | bolt | Haohmaru: it will, after you mount it |
| 09:54.37 | undersk0r | nah i mean, me getting the notification is timecritical. I can not miss the notification is the point i want to make bolt |
| 09:54.40 | Haohmaru | because the location is /media/<myusername>/66145485145459DF/folder |
| 09:54.59 | Haohmaru | but i *think* those quasi-random letters are the same every time |
| 09:55.06 | bolt | undersk0r: what sort of notification are you looking for? and what is the input? |
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| 09:57.23 | undersk0r | its on a pentesting framework. My autorun script is broken since the last update so i need to do everything input everything manually. It usually returns '[+] Initial agent GFWD7USR from <ip>' after which i have to go about doing stuff normally. I need to be notified as soon as that happens bolt |
| 09:58.23 | undersk0r | any kind of notification that is noticeable is enough. what would you recommend? |
| 09:59.12 | undersk0r | welp i messed up the first sentence.. |
| 09:59.41 | bolt | undersk0r: either just log to a file and run "grep" on it in a loop, or with inotify to get slightly fancy, and do something when grep finds what you want, or use a much fancier tool like "expect" to automate the entire cli |
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| 10:05.55 | Hyp3ri0n | what should i do to make my .profile file load on logging in |
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| 10:06.02 | Hyp3ri0n | its defined as this http://paste.debian.net/979491/ |
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| 10:06.41 | Hyp3ri0n | i want it to be loaded,so tht i dont hav to type source ~/.profile on startup |
| 10:07.30 | mxh- | Hyp3ri0n: .bash_profile is what runs on my debian install |
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| 10:08.11 | Hyp3ri0n | so which file do i put those lines on to make it load up user space wide on startup |
| 10:09.01 | mxh- | Hyp3ri0n: i have my settings in .bashrc. .bash_profile just contains one line ". ~/.bashrc" |
| 10:09.11 | mxh- | Hyp3ri0n: works for any terminal/tty |
| 10:09.13 | Hyp3ri0n | ok |
| 10:09.18 | Hyp3ri0n | thnx mxh- |
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| 10:38.20 | barry | hi flashplayer not installed by default / repos in debian 9 mate does anybody have same problem ? |
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| 12:40.18 | sine0 | crontab just hangs. root and defuser |
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| 12:40.53 | mitmf | to install debian, then i must use amd64 small cds or usb sticks? |
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| 12:41.17 | bolt | mitmf: you can use whatever installation media you like |
| 12:41.30 | mitmf | whatever? |
| 12:41.34 | bolt | yes. |
| 12:41.40 | bolt | well, not floppies anymore |
| 12:42.11 | mitmf | amd64 for intel chipset? |
| 12:42.34 | bolt | mitmf: if your cpu is 64-bit, then yes |
| 12:42.59 | mitmf | debian is stable than ubuntu or not? |
| 12:43.27 | bolt | mitmf: they contain pretty much the same software. debian stable is though, as the name suggests, quite stable |
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| 12:45.13 | bolt | either way there's no point running around saying "my system is more stable because i run debian". it all depends on what software you're running on top. |
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| 13:27.03 | r3 | so I had this filesystem mounted and running on an SD card, it got full so I mounted it in a different system and now want to fsck it. after issuing an fsck -f to it, it is giving me the message "Superblock needs_recovery flag is clear, but journal has data. Run journal anyway<y>?" ... I am kinda new at this and am not sure how I should answer that |
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| 13:32.12 | bolt | r3: unless you were doing something very important at the time, either is probably fine. just go with the defaulty |
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| 13:33.44 | r3 | naw, it is just a small system and hardly used, thank you very much for your help |
| 13:34.08 | r3 | (imma gonna go ahead and back that fs up anyway to another drive just in case...) |
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| 14:26.35 | juststrollingin | So Debian Stretch has now went from php 5.6 -> 7 |
| 14:27.17 | juststrollingin | There seems to be alot of LAMP/LEMP setups that require PHP 5.6. What is the preferred way to handle this? Install Debian 8 or mess with packages? |
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| 14:29.49 | jmcnaught | juststrollingin: use Debian 8 for now |
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| 14:30.51 | n0rthlight_ | The terminal in Debian does not have the same visual option I have seen in other distro. It is the same app? |
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| 14:33.13 | jmcnaught | n0rthlight_: almost two dozen terminal emulators in Debian, which one are you using? |
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| 14:34.05 | n0rthlight_ | The one coming with the live .iso would you append to know the one used by ubuntu and mint? |
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| 14:35.02 | n0rthlight_ | I like my transparency, please don't trow me rock!:) |
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| 14:36.05 | jmcnaught | n0rthlight_: there are also multiple live .isos. Does your terminal emulator have a Help menu with an About in it? |
| 14:36.18 | bolt | screenshots would be neat |
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| 14:36.44 | juststrollingin | jmcnaught ok, thanks |
| 14:36.52 | jmcnaught | n0rthlight_: if you want transparency try terminator |
| 14:36.53 | n0rthlight_ | Gnome terminal 3.22.2 |
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| 14:37.37 | n0rthlight_ | using vte version .46.1 |
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| 14:38.46 | n0rthlight_ | jmcnaught Thanks I will try that. |
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| 14:59.17 | M0nk3y | Hi Guys, i try to a crazy things i know but it's possible on linux to force static ip configuration to get LAN ip for example 192.168.1.0 or the broadcast address in .255 please ? |
| 14:59.52 | jmcnaught | M0nk3y: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
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| 15:03.02 | tharkun | greycat: Thanks I couldn't fix my keyboard problem but thanks to xmodmap I found a turnaround for it. IOU some coffee |
| 15:03.14 | n0rthlight | jmcnaught terminator is perfect thank you again. |
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| 15:03.58 | tharkun | M0nk3y: why would you place an ip on Broadcast it would certainly make life on your lan misserable. |
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| 15:04.38 | M0nk3y | Yes i know but it's just a test |
| 15:04.41 | tharkun | If you want to scan what is going on you might as well install wireshark or use nmap for it. |
| 15:04.59 | tharkun | M0nk3y: What are you testing? |
| 15:06.07 | M0nk3y | To set an static ip like 192.168.1.0 or 192.168.1.255 and continue to commincate with the lan in /24 for example |
| 15:06.26 | greycat | Why? |
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| 15:08.03 | jelly | !goal |
| 15:08.03 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
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| 15:08.40 | greycat | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4_subnetting_reference |
| 15:08.43 | greycat | "In common usage, the first address in a subnet, all binary zero in the host identifier, is reserved for referring to the network itself, while the last address, all binary one in the host identifier, is used as a broadcast address for the network; this reduces the number of addresses available for hosts by 2." |
| 15:08.58 | petn-randall | Probably to see what breaks and in what way? |
| 15:09.41 | greycat | The fact that he will not say why is a strong indicator that he will be on my /ignore list shortly. |
| 15:12.10 | M0nk3y | Ok the final goal, it's to get an ip on a filled network, without pass by a VLAN or other way. |
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| 15:13.19 | greycat | "filled" has a very simple and concrete meaning here |
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| 15:14.41 | greycat | If you want to argue against the very principles of IPv4 then maybe ##networking would be a more suitable location. |
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| 15:18.30 | jelly | the first address _can_ actually be used on most devices (I've never tried it on linux), it's just that this breaks using first-address/mask to refer to the whole network |
| 15:19.07 | jelly | does it work? Try it and see. Is it a good idea? No. |
| 15:20.17 | jelly | doesn't sound like a debian question anyway |
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| 15:21.18 | M0nk3y | Ok ok |
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| 15:51.57 | hexhaxtron | My Apache server is not starting... What should I do? I don't find anything in the logs... |
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| 15:52.30 | greycat | start with "systemctl status apache2" |
| 15:53.25 | hexhaxtron | greycat: https://paste.debian.net/979656/ |
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| 15:54.41 | hexhaxtron | greycat: it's working now. Thanks! |
| 15:54.48 | greycat | It seems to say there should be *something* in the apache logs, which would be /var/log/apache2/error.log unless you changed it in the config. |
| 15:54.53 | greycat | OH, ok. |
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| 16:03.20 | oskie | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor|sort|uniq gives 'powersave', that can't be right for a server can it!? |
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| 16:03.33 | fsociety[00]dat | Hi all; I downloaded 'debian-9.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso' file and I want to get information about the packages' signatures ( KEY ID for example ). My start point is 'pool' directory and I want to do this for all packages then import the results if possible. |
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| 16:04.18 | babilen | dpkg: check iso |
| 16:04.18 | dpkg | To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of «md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum». You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the ISO image on the mirror. See also <check iso signature>. |
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| 16:06.18 | fsociety[00]dat | babilen, not for iso nor like hashes; like debsigs |
| 16:06.57 | babilen | Why not use debsigs? |
| 16:07.08 | babilen | Sorry, I am clearly missing something if this is not about checking the iso |
| 16:07.15 | fsociety[00]dat | commentx packagey.deb ( result this deb file signed with bla bla or KEYID ) |
| 16:07.18 | oskie | I only have to CPU governors to choose from: powersave and performance - is this because my CPU is a Xeon E3? |
| 16:08.00 | fsociety[00]dat | babilen, I could not use 'debsigs' :( |
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| 16:08.24 | icyrouter | oskie: Intel CPUs often seem to only have those two governors |
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| 16:08.48 | fsociety[00]dat | Can this Q. ask in devel channel? |
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| 16:09.26 | babilen | fsociety[00]dat: Where are these packages? |
| 16:09.47 | oskie | icyrouter: but the way I interpret "powersave", is that it uses minimum CPU MHz *all the time*? |
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| 16:10.01 | fsociety[00]dat | in 'pool' directory in ISO |
| 16:10.50 | fsociety[00]dat | recursively |
| 16:12.02 | babilen | fsociety[00]dat: You mean you want this for individual packages? |
| 16:12.17 | nkuttler | is there a way to list all installed email clients? aren't they tagged? |
| 16:12.46 | babilen | fsociety[00]dat: You might want to read https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 16:12.49 | fsociety[00]dat | babilen, yep; I am not good at Eng. sorry |
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| 16:12.59 | icyrouter | oskie: Is your system a laptop? Generally, it seems to allow clock speed when required, but does clock down under low use |
| 16:13.21 | fsociety[00]dat | read it :( |
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| 16:14.02 | babilen | fsociety[00]dat: So, what are you after that pertains to single packages? You have their checksum and the (signed) Release file + signed isos |
| 16:14.16 | babilen | dpkg: check iso signature |
| 16:14.16 | dpkg | On a Debian box, you can check the installer images are legitimate using the signature file that comes with them. When downloading the ISO, also get the SHA256SUMS and SHA256SUMS.sign files in the same directory, then: "apt-get install -t sid debian-keyring; sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS; gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign". See also <check iso image>. |
| 16:14.28 | icyrouter | oskie: I have found that, on newer intel CPUs (core ix 3xxx or newer), switching from powersave to performance makes the cpu idle at the advertised base clock speed, rather than allowing the cpu to go lower when activity is low |
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| 16:46.04 | fred1807 | I swichted from network manager to systemd-neworkd now, If I leave the ethernet cable connected, and boot the machine, I can ping/ssh to eth0 ip, but wlan0 timesout. (Once connected I see no errors in the status, Ip is acquired and all seems to be good with wlan0. If I unplug the cable, and after boot I plug ethernet, than we have the opossite. I can ping/ssh to wlan0 ip, but eth0 ip times out. Once connecetd networkctl status eth0 looks all good. |
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| 16:47.19 | petn-randall | fred1807: Are both LAN and wifi on the same subnet? |
| 16:47.57 | fred1807 | yes |
| 16:48.33 | fsociety[00]dat | babilen, also this only for an image; I need to see (show) .deb signature per package in the 'pool' directory. |
| 16:48.47 | petn-randall | fred1807: Does it work if you have wifi connected and Ethernet unplugged? |
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| 16:56.07 | fred1807 | petn-randall: yes it works. And if I connect ethercable again, it keeps working. It is then the eth0 ip I cannot ping from another machine |
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| 16:57.32 | forcerecon | I am sure I missed something here,.. but how can you ping on eth0 if the cable is unplugged |
| 16:57.42 | petn-randall | fred1807: I'd argue that this is unrelated to systemd-networkd/network-manager, if you have overlapping subnets on two interfaces you'll always have problems. |
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| 16:58.33 | forcerecon | oh, this is after a reboot and a replug.. nvm |
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| 17:00.51 | forcerecon | which brings up a point.. If I am connected via eth0 and it goes down and the machine says. hmm.. I need a network connection, then it should connect to any wlan it can that it has privs for.. However, once the eth0 comes back up it should be smart enough to drop the WIFI and then reconnect to eth0.. This would be optimal IMO.. find the most reliable network and connect to it. wired takes precedence |
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| 17:02.15 | petn-randall | forcerecon: Wired *already* takes precendence. However, if you get an ICMP ping on wlan0, your machine will respond with the IP of eth0 on eth0, which will not be registered by the other machine. |
| 17:02.21 | petn-randall | forcerecon: (amongst other things) |
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| 17:02.59 | petn-randall | The way around that is to make sure the DHCP server gives both eth0 and wlan0 the *same* IP address, and you make 100% sure you don't have those two interfaces bridged together on the machine. |
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| 17:03.43 | forcerecon | when is the last time you were connected to wifi and it disconnected the second that wired was back? |
| 17:03.51 | forcerecon | Im talking about a complete drop |
| 17:04.40 | forcerecon | petn-randall: your explanation is correct. I am not questioning it.. |
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| 17:05.40 | forcerecon | I just wish it would drop the wifi completely.. especially if it utilizes mifi in the interim |
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| 17:06.22 | fred1807 | petn-randall: can I make dhcp giver the same ip to both eth0 and wlan0? |
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| 17:08.44 | forcerecon | Reserve the IP by MAC address on your DHCP server. That way you can leave the machine set to DHCP managed IP and still get the same one each time. |
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| 17:10.51 | greycat | He wants his system to somehow detect that his ethernet cable has been cut, and *only then*, activate the wireless network to "take over" the ethernet IP address, and probably seamlessly all existing TCP sessions, etc. |
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| 17:13.48 | forcerecon | I am sure if we could determine the link state of the wired connection and trigger the immediate reconnection of wifi at time of fault and vice versa that this would be a great thing |
| 17:14.09 | forcerecon | this is something I would love to have done.. There are surely people out there smarter than I am that can figure out how to create that revokable trigger |
| 17:14.44 | greycat | Detecting link-down and bringing up wfoo0bar1 is probably not a big deal. Using the same IP address? Dunno, sounds hard. |
| 17:14.59 | forcerecon | so you would have dhcp managed via mac reconnect when plausable to either lan or wifi but still keep same iP |
| 17:15.03 | greycat | Taking over TCP session? Sounds impossible. |
| 17:15.04 | jmcnaught | forcerecon: NetworkManager has hooks |
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| 17:16.05 | forcerecon | if it was delayed long enough, maybe 3 seconds it might just work. there has to be a release and renew.. how much time is needed is the factor |
| 17:17.52 | forcerecon | I am going to work on this.. sounds fun.. dhcp mac address static, loss of lan wifi reconnect establish same IP, and when lan comes back up drop wifi and reconnect with mac specified IP over lan |
| 17:17.52 | forcerecon | wow.. very cool |
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| 17:23.59 | forcerecon | arp cache might be an issue.,. 30 seconds.. might be able to cut that down.. |
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| 17:25.00 | forcerecon | well.. I will try.. have a nice day.. off to the final meeting today.. then home.. be well |
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| 17:43.12 | lildebby | i want make my debian as light on resources as possible. I don't use crond & anacrond, can i remove them ? or debian system is depended on them to work properly ? |
| 17:43.19 | clemens3 | greycat: so is the wifi on the same router/modem/internet? then what is the chance that ethernet wont work while wifi is still working? |
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| 17:43.52 | MarioMey | Hello, people. |
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| 17:44.26 | MarioMey | "wget -O file.txt URL" always overwrite file.txt... it doesn't creates file.txt.1, file.txt.2, etc. |
| 17:44.29 | MarioMey | Why? |
| 17:44.45 | MarioMey | As some question in stackoverflow says... it should. |
| 17:44.53 | MarioMey | But it doesn't in my computer. |
| 17:44.57 | MarioMey | Debian 9 here. |
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| 17:46.31 | lildebby | MarioMey, because with that commond you say to ouput to file, not folder |
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| 17:46.58 | lildebby | wget url -r -nd |
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| 17:47.40 | MarioMey | lildebby: I want to output a file... |
| 17:48.05 | MarioMey | It is a CSV created by a plugin that captures contact forms in WordPress. |
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| 17:48.28 | MarioMey | This plugin gives me an address to download the file. |
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| 17:48.46 | lildebby | can i safely remove crond & anacron without hurting my system ? |
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| 17:49.05 | clemens3 | MarioMey: where does it say it should number the downloaded files .1 .2 like normal behavior? |
| 17:49.13 | jmcnaught | lildebby: removing cron is not a good idea. you could remove anacron, but if your computer is off or suspended sometimes then it's best to keep anacron as well |
| 17:49.46 | MarioMey | clemens3: here https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16678487/wget-command-to-download-a-file-and-save-as-a-different-filename and here https://www.electrictoolbox.com/wget-save-different-filename/ |
| 17:49.56 | ola | MarioMey: in the wget man page, the section you want to read is "-nc" or "--no-clobber" |
| 17:50.46 | lildebby | jmcnaught, but do i really needit on my home computer ? what software uses it ? |
| 17:51.14 | clemens3 | ola: -nc -O will then refuse downloading second time |
| 17:51.29 | clemens3 | MarioMey: while not delete or if you need old versions, move them first? |
| 17:51.48 | clemens3 | the .1 .2 files are really ugly and imho serve little purpose |
| 17:52.07 | clemens3 | if you need them, manage them yourself |
| 17:52.14 | jmcnaught | lildebby: any package with a file in /etc/cron.{d,daily,hourly,weekly,monthly}. Is cron using a lot of resources on your system? |
| 17:52.23 | clemens3 | MarioMey: while=why |
| 17:53.06 | jmcnaught | lildebby: you don't stand to benefit very much from removing it, but you do run the risk of other things not working as expected |
| 17:53.15 | MarioMey | ola: I tried with -nc, but it says "El fichero `inscripcion.txt' ya está ahÃ; no se descarga." English="File "file.txt" is already there, it doesn't be downloaded" (or something like this). |
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| 17:53.38 | MarioMey | clemens3: Because I want to make a script to download the file once per hour. |
| 17:53.43 | MarioMey | Automatically.ç |
| 17:53.46 | jmcnaught | lildebby: cron is using 280 KiB of RAM on my system for example⦠and anacron only runs periodically |
| 17:54.35 | clemens3 | MarioMey: so in your script first check if the file exists already, then move or delete it, then do your wget. |
| 17:55.03 | clemens3 | or actually, -O is perfect to overwrite the old one, why still need it.. |
| 17:55.05 | lildebby | jmcnaught, cron doesn't use much ram on my system, i'm just trying to make lightweight system as possible |
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| 17:55.36 | lildebby | mostly i only run browser on my computer :D |
| 17:56.13 | jmcnaught | lildebby: a better goal might be "lightweight as practically reasonable". I sincerely doubt you will notice any difference in performance with cron removed |
| 17:56.31 | jhutchins_wk | Your log files will eventually fill up the disk. |
| 17:57.06 | lildebby | yes, you probably right :) |
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| 17:57.28 | teraflops | you can tell journalctl to not being persistent |
| 17:58.05 | teraflops | so every reboot logs vanish, not a great idea though |
| 17:58.14 | MarioMey | Ok... I wanted to name the file with a specific name... but it's ok. With no option, it generates a file with the name of the url (long and ugly) and create .1, .2, .3 files. It's ok. |
| 17:58.26 | MarioMey | Thanks, clemens3 and ola. |
| 17:58.31 | MarioMey | Bye. |
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| 17:58.43 | njumdl2014 | Hello all, I have installed libc6-dbg in my stretch. Where is the libc.so with debugging information? |
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| 17:59.39 | jmcnaught | lildebby: for any package that you want to remove I would look at it with "apt-cache show <package> | grep Priority" and if it's not optional or extra, you probably shouldn't remove it |
| 17:59.54 | clemens3 | lildebby: i am not on debian, but i actually can turn off cron.. /etc/init.d/cron stop |
| 18:00.19 | petn-randall | njumdl2014: 'dpkg -L libc6-dbg' will list you the package contents. |
| 18:00.31 | clemens3 | in /etc/cron.daily/weekly you can see what services are run by it.. if you dont need it :) |
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| 18:01.00 | lildebby | ok i will look |
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| 18:01.21 | DoctorD90 | hello! im under lxde. During Installation it doesnt request me localhost name(or maybe I forget). It was localhost, I used hostnamectl to edit. Now each time I use sudo, it writes "cant connect to". Now I resetted to localhost, but some program tells me that it has some erroru running on localhost.localdomain. How to fix it? |
| 18:01.23 | clemens3 | but linux/unix without cron, isn-t really linux anymore, sounds more like you look for some real time operating system |
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| 18:02.33 | jmcnaught | DoctorD90: put a line in /etc/hosts "127.0.1.1 hostname.example.com hostname" |
| 18:02.50 | jmcnaught | don't remove the line for localhost though |
| 18:03.00 | lildebby | real time operating system ? :D |
| 18:03.01 | DoctorD90 | i go to open it... |
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| 18:03.14 | petn-randall | DoctorD90: Can you paste your contents of /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts to http://paste.debian.net? |
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| 18:03.47 | DoctorD90 | hi petn-randall :P I try.... |
| 18:04.33 | clemens3 | lildebby: yes, where your software has a garanty it will run in a certain time. is handy when you programm airlines.. |
| 18:04.46 | clemens3 | airlines=airliners |
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| 18:05.18 | lildebby | clemens3, any examples of such os? |
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| 18:06.03 | clemens3 | lildebby: i have to google myself, certainly no windows, unix/macos, or android |
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| 18:07.25 | DoctorD90 | jmcnaught petn-randall it is a very basic hosts file. 127.0.0.1 localhost + ipv6 lines (::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback, ff02::1 ip6-allnodes and ff02::2 ip6-allrouters) |
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| 18:08.05 | petn-randall | DoctorD90: Do paste it though, no need for interpretation then. |
| 18:08.08 | lildebby | clemens3, i just want to make my debian barebones as possible. I only use firefox on my home computer |
| 18:08.35 | petn-randall | lildebby: Then realtime capabilities are not what you're looking for. |
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| 18:10.26 | njumdl2014 | petn-randall: if I want to use original binary file - libc.so.24 and its debugging information to create one binary with debugging information, is it possible? |
| 18:10.36 | lildebby | in etc/cron.weekly i have only "0anacron apt-compat bsdmainutils dpkg logrotate man-db passwd" |
| 18:10.44 | clemens3 | lildebby: leave cron where it is.. firefox is a resource hog, cron itself wont be a problem at all. Turn all other services off, email, apache whatever.. that is good idea for security reason |
| 18:10.57 | petn-randall | njumdl2014: What is your ultimate goal? |
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| 18:12.03 | DoctorD90 | petn-randall jmcnaught paste.debian.net/979711 (ho ho..looks like as id number :P) |
| 18:12.07 | clemens3 | lildebby: only real time os i ever heard of was qnx.. and symbian for nokia phones to my surprise is also an RTOS |
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| 18:12.32 | clemens3 | lildebby: otherwise they are all used for embedded stuff to control machines and sensor data |
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| 18:12.38 | njumdl2014 | petn-randall: I am doing experiment in a crash of chromium. I need a binary with debugging information to create one .sym file in order to aid debugging of chromium. |
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| 18:14.24 | lildebby | ok :) |
| 18:14.55 | petn-randall | njumdl2014: I'm not that good at debugging at debugging C programs, but it should be enough to just start chromium with gdb and then let it crash. You'll then get a full backtrace with annotations which code lines were called. |
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| 18:18.41 | DoctorD90 | jmcnaught petn-randall so? how can I edit @hostname in a way that it will not give any kind of error? |
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| 18:19.50 | petn-randall | DoctorD90: And what are the contents of /etc/hostname? |
| 18:20.01 | DoctorD90 | 1 sec... |
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| 18:20.20 | DoctorD90 | at moment 'localhost' |
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| 18:21.32 | petn-randall | DoctorD90: Well, it's not changed, but it should work. Can you show us the errors you get? command + full output to http://paste.debian.net would be great. |
| 18:21.36 | DoctorD90 | what should I do to edit @localhost in terminal to @whatIwant for example? using hostnamectl set-hostname whatiwant and add 127.0.0.1 whatiwant in /etc/hosts? :) |
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| 18:22.02 | greycat | DoctorD90: do you want something like this? http://mywiki.wooledge.org/TemplateFiles |
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| 18:22.35 | DoctorD90 | petn-randall it doesnt giving more on command line, but on program like screensaver, probably because since I resetted to localhost with hostnamectl command I havent restarted yet :P |
| 18:23.04 | DoctorD90 | greycat ?? 0o |
| 18:23.19 | DoctorD90 | dinner...afk....i will be back soon.. |
| 18:23.51 | kaboutur | I'm going to try to make a decent comparison between devuan and debian stable this week. |
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| 18:27.23 | kruug | kaboutur: post it to /r/devuan |
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| 18:33.27 | Tom01 | Why is the clipboard not working on Debian 8 Gnome? |
| 18:33.50 | teraflops | Tom01: you mean why is not working there? |
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| 18:34.10 | Tom01 | no copy & paste possible |
| 18:34.43 | teraflops | do you know if there's a known bug? |
| 18:35.43 | greycat | I'm pretty sure I've never seen anyone else making this claim, and there must have been hundred or thousands of Debian 8 GNOME users here. |
| 18:36.47 | teraflops | Tom01: also, no copy paste at all, or for some apps? |
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| 18:37.01 | Tom01 | teraflops: all apps |
| 18:37.19 | greycat | If you open two terminals and copy from one to the other, what happens? |
| 18:37.39 | greycat | Also, are you sure you actually know how to copy/paste in X? It's not like MS Windows. |
| 18:37.50 | teraflops | Tom01: are you using stock debian oldstable? |
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| 18:38.08 | Tom01 | teraflops: Debian 8 stable |
| 18:38.18 | greycat | Debian 8 is oldstable currently. |
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| 18:38.47 | teraflops | Tom01: do you have experience in using linux/gnome? sorry for asking ^ |
| 18:39.32 | Tom01 | I know how to click on paste and on copy. |
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| 18:40.08 | greycat | You copy by highlighting text with the first mouse button. You paste the highlighted text by pressing the middle mouse button. |
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| 18:40.36 | greycat | There's no explicit "copy the highlighted text to the clipboard" step in X. |
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| 18:41.16 | Tom01 | there is |
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| 18:41.48 | Tom01 | But paste is greyed. |
| 18:42.01 | greycat | sounds like you're using bloody gnome apps :( |
| 18:42.07 | greycat | try it in two xterms |
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| 18:57.13 | DoctorD90 | come back |
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| 19:06.02 | fsociety[00]dat | Hi all; I downloaded 'debian-9.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso' file and I want to get information about the packages' signatures ( KEY ID for example ). My start point is 'pool' directory and I want to do this for all packages then import the results if possible. (sorry for asking again) |
| 19:07.36 | jmcnaught | fsociety[00]dat: the keys used to sign packages are in the debian-archive-keyring package, you shouldn't need to manually import the keys |
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| 19:08.37 | Murda | Is there any good guide that shows me how to unlocky luks encrypted system by using USB key |
| 19:08.38 | fsociety[00]dat | there is no way to see them from a .deb package? |
| 19:08.49 | zerocool | anyone here familiar with kvm? |
| 19:09.46 | zerocool | i am getting really slow installs, in fact everything might be really slow... it literally took 6 hours to install windows 7 from an iso on an ssd to a 6 disk btrfs raid 10 array |
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| 19:10.40 | colinjmatt | zerocool: what (if any) kind of caching have you set for the virtual disk? |
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| 19:10.49 | zerocool | google says i need to tune kvm and mentions the command 'qemu', i do not have this but i have like every qemu package that it suppose to have it :/ |
| 19:11.10 | zerocool | colinjmatt: i don't think i have any |
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| 19:11.39 | colinjmatt | that may be the reason behind slow disk performance. try setting writeback or writethrough |
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| 19:12.10 | colinjmatt | it may not be the exact reason it's slow for you, but that sorted it for me |
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| 19:13.50 | zerocool | colinjmatt: heh im not even sure how to do that... i have a lot of learning to do |
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| 19:14.05 | colinjmatt | are you starting qemu from the command line? |
| 19:14.21 | zerocool | using virt-manager... |
| 19:14.33 | zerocool | which has like on off button and that's it |
| 19:15.11 | zerocool | any idea about that qemu command though, `which qemu` yields nothing, debian 9. |
| 19:15.20 | zerocool | or do i even need the qemu command? |
| 19:15.30 | colinjmatt | ahhh so you're using the GUI. you should be able to go into the settings of the VM using virt-manager and set it there |
| 19:15.51 | colinjmatt | zerocool: If you're using virt-manager, you won't need to interact with Qemu directly |
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| 19:17.07 | teraflops | zerocool: are you sure your system supports/has virtualization settings enabled? for getting hw accel |
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| 19:17.49 | teraflops | I also suppose youre not doing nested virtualization |
| 19:17.57 | zerocool | teraflops: to be honest im not sure, i always turn it on when i see it in bios and i know i've been through the bios on this server a million times |
| 19:18.05 | zerocool | good point, i'll have to check |
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| 19:18.18 | zerocool | but even still 6 hours for an install seems insane |
| 19:18.24 | teraflops | yep |
| 19:18.31 | zerocool | even if i was writing to a stone and chisel drive |
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| 19:18.49 | teraflops | which driver are you using for storage? |
| 19:18.55 | teraflops | on the guest |
| 19:19.23 | teraflops | virtIO is strongly suggested |
| 19:19.30 | stree | the virtio drivers and mice |
| 19:19.57 | teraflops | something is going funky there |
| 19:20.07 | zerocool | teraflops: im not sure how to check |
| 19:20.22 | teraflops | try cheking if KVM module is loaded |
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| 19:20.39 | teraflops | and BIOS/FW virtualization settings |
| 19:20.53 | jmcnaught | zerocool: what does 'virsh -c qemu:///system dumpxml <domain> | grep emulator' say? |
| 19:20.59 | teraflops | also which OS are you installing? |
| 19:21.19 | zerocool | teraflops: windows 7 pro and debian jessie so far |
| 19:21.36 | teraflops | both having same issue? |
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| 19:21.58 | zerocool | yes sir |
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| 19:25.30 | zerocool | i've tried that command a lot and it's not working right, if i enter virsh and help it gives me 28937921379793 options and i cant pipe it to less from inside so... brb |
| 19:25.35 | zerocool | jmcnaught: ^ |
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| 19:26.30 | jmcnaught | zerocool: you just need to replace <domain> in my command with the name of the vm, run it from bash |
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| 19:28.47 | zerocool | jmcnaught: k im back |
| 19:28.51 | jmcnaught | zerocool: btrfs might also not be the best choice for /var/lib/libvirt/images (or wherever your image files are): https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Gotchas#Fragmentation |
| 19:28.51 | zerocool | '<emulator>/usr/bin/kvm</emulator>' |
| 19:28.54 | zerocool | thanks |
| 19:29.06 | teraflops | jmcnaught: indeed |
| 19:29.20 | teraflops | you can disable COW though |
| 19:29.59 | teraflops | but I dont think it takes that long even on slow mech hdd's |
| 19:30.12 | jmcnaught | zerocool: I use an LVM volume group as my storage pool with libvirt, each domain gets its own logical volume |
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| 19:30.33 | teraflops | zerocool: so are you running on btrfs? |
| 19:31.18 | teraflops | I do xfs for my kvm pools |
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| 19:31.29 | zerocool | teraflops: yes the vd's are currently on a btrfs raid |
| 19:31.37 | teraflops | zerocool: ssd? |
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| 19:32.05 | zerocool | teraflops: 6x 7200 spinnys in raid10 |
| 19:32.11 | teraflops | awww :S |
| 19:32.20 | teraflops | at least disable COW |
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| 19:32.41 | teraflops | and see if that helps |
| 19:33.00 | zerocool | i need cow for the fs that the vd's are on, but i can try spinning up some machines to the ssd and see how that goes |
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| 19:33.03 | zerocool | i do have the room |
| 19:33.09 | zerocool | on the boot disk |
| 19:33.11 | teraflops | unless youre using SSDs youll suffer a lot of pain :P |
| 19:33.20 | teraflops | you can disable for files too |
| 19:33.49 | zerocool | ah, disable cow on the vds? okay i'll look into that |
| 19:34.02 | `Kevin | any potential for zfs? (not 100% sure of context here) |
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| 19:34.35 | teraflops | zerocool: what youre doing is strongly discouraged, and well documented |
| 19:35.01 | zerocool | teraflops: keeping the vd's on a btrfs raid you mean? |
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| 19:35.09 | teraflops | zerocool: yep, try it and see |
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| 19:35.18 | teraflops | on btrfs fs |
| 19:35.28 | teraflops | with cow enabled⦠|
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| 19:35.58 | teraflops | even disabling COW it will perform slow if you ask me |
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| 19:36.12 | zerocool | teraflops: this is how i learn :) |
| 19:36.13 | teraflops | you better use SSD's on that scenario |
| 19:36.37 | teraflops | jmcnaught: good shot btw ;) |
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| 19:38.54 | teraflops | `Kevin: no idea about zfs |
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| 19:40.17 | jmcnaught | presumably anything with CoW will have problems. my domains slow to a crawl if a snapshot exists of the logical volume it's running on |
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| 19:40.47 | `Kevin | ah k performance yea i read back |
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| 19:41.12 | teraflops | xfs is great |
| 19:42.05 | `Kevin | yea CoW works but it has to be used sparingly its terrible if you are making multiple instances of something and then start doing writes |
| 19:42.13 | `Kevin | xfs is great |
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| 19:42.39 | `Kevin | zfs might be ideal here as it doesn't use CoW but has similar functionality |
| 19:42.53 | `Kevin | but without the performance bottleneck of CoW |
| 19:43.26 | zerocool | we use zfs on our production sans and it works just fine |
| 19:43.34 | `Kevin | zfs will use pointers instead of CoW |
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| 19:44.08 | zerocool | i use btrfs for file shares/folder-redirection and it works just fine too |
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| 19:44.38 | teraflops | well, sure but you picked the worst scenario for storing VMs |
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| 19:45.19 | zerocool | teraflops: yeah this is an experiment, it's part of learning, it's not production, it's not a big deal in other words. |
| 19:45.26 | teraflops | I do btrfs partitionless and it works great, I just keep VMs in separated disk |
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| 19:46.32 | teraflops | well, that's how we all learn for sure, testing stuff |
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| 19:53.46 | zerocool | i have cow off on the vd's now and also im spinning up a new machine to a vd on the ssd |
| 19:53.51 | zerocool | which is ext4 |
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| 19:54.48 | technoir | mess with the best.. |
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| 19:55.03 | kruug | die like the rest? |
| 19:55.30 | zerocool | ;) |
| 19:55.52 | teraflops | zerocool: well I dont think youll notice issues using the SSD, did you notice improvements on the HDDs with cow disabled? |
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| 19:57.00 | zerocool | teraflops: so far... i'm giving the windows 7 machine it's updates to test it out... eventually i'll need to spin up another on that array to do an apples to apples |
| 19:57.08 | teraflops | good ;) |
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| 19:57.38 | zerocool | once the system is up it seems fine though... i mean a little slow but i think that's just my server struggling with graffix |
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| 19:57.54 | zerocool | i can't test via rdp from here so it's hard to tell |
| 19:58.07 | zerocool | but yeah the install to ssd is sooooooo fast |
| 19:58.16 | zerocool | predictably |
| 19:58.53 | teraflops | zerocool: oh I do virgl for workstations, it performs great (regarding graphics) |
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| 20:00.53 | zerocool | teraflops: this server has enough trouble writing to console... im not sure what the chip is but it's a real piece. i'd throw athe cheapest video card in it if the only pcie slot wasn't taken by the boot disk |
| 20:01.33 | teraflops | heh |
| 20:01.35 | zerocool | last night reinstall the system with x for the virt-manager, before that tried using kimchi webserver but it was not nice at all |
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| 20:02.28 | zerocool | sorry kimchi web frontend not webserver |
| 20:02.37 | teraflops | zerocool: you know you can connect remotely to virt-manager? |
| 20:02.52 | teraflops | from, lets say, your laptop |
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| 20:03.31 | teraflops | you just need to setup ssh keys |
| 20:03.39 | zerocool | i'd have to open a port in my firewall etc, it's not on my lan so i'm tv'd into the server |
| 20:03.54 | teraflops | ah |
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| 20:04.02 | zerocool | and im tv'd from a windows workstation |
| 20:04.05 | zerocool | my life is complicated |
| 20:04.13 | teraflops | heh |
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| 20:05.02 | zerocool | this is a terrible setup though i have a 1024x768 crt connected to the server so that's all i get out of my tv connection x_x |
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| 20:05.21 | teraflops | ^ |
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| 20:12.28 | zerocool | thank you for your help by the way, everyone. |
| 20:12.42 | teraflops | np |
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| 20:14.23 | DoctorD90 | guys im reading a little bit of docs...I find out some errors. How could I edit it or how could I warn about these errors? |
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| 20:14.46 | greycat | What errors are you talking about? |
| 20:15.00 | DoctorD90 | greycat https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-ftparchives.it.html#s-codenames |
| 20:15.20 | greycat | .it. meaning Italian? I doubt I can help you with that. |
| 20:15.24 | DoctorD90 | for example, about naming of actual stable |
| 20:15.33 | DoctorD90 | yes |
| 20:15.45 | DoctorD90 | im italian :P |
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| 20:16.16 | DoctorD90 | even if my perfect english could hide my origin u.u ahahah ;) |
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| 20:16.20 | petn-randall | !it |
| 20:16.21 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:16.40 | petn-randall | DoctorD90: You could try asking in the channel above. I imagine some of them might now where the translations come from. |
| 20:16.43 | greycat | The English translation also stops at "wheezy for release 7" in the 6.2.1 section, if that's what you're talking about. |
| 20:16.44 | DoctorD90 | ok I will ask there ;) thx petn-randall ^^ |
| 20:17.35 | greycat | Oh, you mean the second paragraph of the 6.2 section. |
| 20:17.42 | DoctorD90 | yea greycat but some section or subsection are neither translated....maybe in spare time, I could do something :) |
| 20:17.50 | greycat | Looks like the translations are not up to date. I don't know who's responsible for those. |
| 20:17.57 | DoctorD90 | 6.2.1 |
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| 20:18.11 | greycat | 6.2.1 seems the same-ish between .en. and .it. |
| 20:18.59 | DoctorD90 | I have some trouble in english, because i dont study it well...but I understand 80-90% so I could give an help sometimes ^^ |
| 20:19.00 | greycat | Oh, you mean it's not translated *at all*. Yeah, no wonder it seems similar. |
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| 20:19.56 | greycat | https://www.debian.org/devel/website/translating may be a starting point |
| 20:19.57 | DoctorD90 | one of these days, i have to read documentation if I want to improve my debian/linux skills :P so....I could give an hand :D |
| 20:20.08 | DoctorD90 | great! thx :D |
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| 20:25.53 | DoctorD90 | why Guest68166 runs a dcc chat to me? 0o |
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| 20:53.50 | njumdl2014 | Could you guys recommand some open source libdisassembler on Debian? It is great if it is easy to learn and modify |
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| 21:02.37 | petn-randall | pie3: Yes, you can easily program it in a way to act as a server with a config switch, and act as a client otherwise. This isn't really ontopic in here, though. |
| 21:02.55 | petn-randall | pie3: I recommend asking in the channel for your respective programming language for help. |
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| 21:09.50 | rudi_s | njumdl2014: What is a libdisassembler? |
| 21:10.43 | njumdl2014 | disassembler library, for example, libdisassembler, libopcodes in binutils and so on |
| 21:11.09 | njumdl2014 | libdisassembler is out of data and not maintained |
| 21:11.56 | rudi_s | I've only used objdump -d, ndisasm (from nasm) and radare2 as disassemblers. But never looked if they are implemented as library. |
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| 21:16.59 | njumdl2014 | There is one disassembler - opdis in the binutils, it uses libopcodes as its disassembler library. |
| 21:17.14 | njumdl2014 | But it seems not easy to learn and modify the source code |
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| 21:28.34 | rudi_s | njumdl2014: You could look at radare2 which also contains a disassembler and is in active development, but I don't know the code of the disassembler itself. |
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| 21:29.12 | rudi_s | However if you really want to learn assembly and instruction decode, why not write an assembler from scratch? Take the intel instruction manual (for example) and start writing. |
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| 21:34.36 | Hoolootwo | capstone is a versatile framework for disassembly, so that could be usable |
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| 22:53.11 | njumdl2014 | I upgrade my debian desktop from jessie to stretch. It becomes very slow. |
| 22:53.26 | vutral | wuuuuuuuuuu |
| 22:53.33 | vutral | one more reason to not upgrade |
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| 22:56.42 | daca__ | debian installed on usb won't boot. Grub installed on the same usb with Debian 9. After sucessful instalation redirected to reboot; just black screen with flashing cursor? |
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| 22:57.39 | petn-randall | njumdl2014: Well, the upgrade process takes ressources, so things will be a little slower during upgrade. |
| 22:58.47 | njumdl2014 | not. After I upgrade to debian stretch, I restart my desktop. Then everything seems very slow |
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| 22:59.37 | petn-randall | njumdl2014: Slow in what sense? |
| 22:59.47 | Milo- | Hey, I have asus zenbook pro 550 and I need some assistance getting it to use nvidia drivers instead of nouveau. So far my efforts have been futile |
| 23:00.03 | Milo- | nvidia-detect says it can't detect any GPU |
| 23:01.08 | petn-randall | Milo-: Do you have a laptop with hybrid graphics? |
| 23:01.08 | Milo- | nouveuau is blacklisted, but can't start X when xorg.conf has nvidia |
| 23:01.08 | njumdl2014 | the speed to open one tab of chromium make me impatient |
| 23:01.08 | njumdl2014 | just a small example |
| 23:01.08 | Milo- | petn-randall yeah, it has intel graphics integrated to cpu and external nvidia card |
| 23:01.17 | petn-randall | !bumblebee |
| 23:01.17 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:01.25 | petn-randall | Milo-: This? ^^^ |
| 23:01.25 | Milo- | with bumblebee, I get a total halt when trying to launch X |
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| 23:02.28 | Milo- | besides, isn't bumblebee meant for optimus cards? |
| 23:02.50 | Milo- | afaik 1050ti is not one of them |
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| 23:04.11 | petn-randall | Milo-: Check if you have GPU switching or not. You might have to check the specs for the laptop. |
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| 23:04.32 | Milo- | can't get X to start at all when bumblebee-nvidia and primus is installed. It simply freezes during boot (no keyboard interaction at all) |
| 23:04.40 | stree | bumblebeed, primus and virtualgl xd |
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| 23:07.14 | Milo- | either NVidia or Asus mention Optimus explicitly |
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| 23:10.01 | Milo- | I can't even get any logs explaining why the system freezes during boot when bumblebee is installed |
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| 23:13.38 | Milo- | any suggestions on how to pursue the issue? |
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| 23:19.30 | Milo- | guess not :/ |
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| 23:24.09 | B0rk_Meister6six | I also have a hybrid graphics laptop |
| 23:24.25 | B0rk_Meister6six | bumbblebee worked for me |
| 23:24.42 | B0rk_Meister6six | my bios wont let me disable my intel card |
| 23:24.49 | B0rk_Meister6six | so everything is through it |
| 23:24.53 | Milo- | as far as I can gather, I'm fairly certain I'm supposed to use bumblebee |
| 23:25.01 | B0rk_Meister6six | yeah |
| 23:25.09 | B0rk_Meister6six | it'll install everything |
| 23:25.11 | Milo- | but since I can't even get to a terminal with bumblebee installed... |
| 23:25.21 | B0rk_Meister6six | dont try to use nvidia on its own |
| 23:25.31 | Milo- | I've tried both ways |
| 23:25.32 | B0rk_Meister6six | one sec... |
| 23:25.46 | B0rk_Meister6six | you can use bumblebee in two ways |
| 23:25.51 | B0rk_Meister6six | i think |
| 23:26.09 | Milo- | there is bumblebee and bumblebee-nvidia packages |
| 23:26.16 | Milo- | I'm only interested in the latter. |
| 23:26.44 | B0rk_Meister6six | onboard graphics through nvidia chipsset with #1 nvidia prop drivers or #neauvo |
| 23:27.01 | B0rk_Meister6six | i followed the instructions on he debian page |
| 23:27.05 | B0rk_Meister6six | lemme find it |
| 23:27.07 | Milo- | so did I |
| 23:27.11 | B0rk_Meister6six | oh |
| 23:27.23 | Milo- | and it leaves me with a system that won't even boot. |
| 23:27.42 | B0rk_Meister6six | yeah, Im no expert. i guess i got lucky |
| 23:27.43 | Milo- | a system that won't even give me a console, or any logs. |
| 23:28.17 | B0rk_Meister6six | i recently installed debian 9 last week |
| 23:28.23 | B0rk_Meister6six | so i was on a fresh install |
| 23:28.44 | B0rk_Meister6six | installed optirun |
| 23:28.47 | Milo- | I installed debian 9.1 few days ago, and been battling with this since then |
| 23:29.19 | B0rk_Meister6six | i got 9.1.0 |
| 23:29.26 | B0rk_Meister6six | been 7 days or so |
| 23:29.31 | B0rk_Meister6six | solid on my laptop |
| 23:29.52 | Milo- | guess I'll just have to start using your laptop instead of mine then. :P |
| 23:30.05 | B0rk_Meister6six | haha |
| 23:30.28 | B0rk_Meister6six | i installed Synaptic Package Manager |
| 23:30.36 | B0rk_Meister6six | and then bumblebee |
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| 23:30.51 | B0rk_Meister6six | whats yer graphics cards? |
| 23:30.58 | Milo- | 1050ti |
| 23:31.55 | B0rk_Meister6six | yeah man... like i said.. im no expert |
| 23:32.01 | B0rk_Meister6six | https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee worked for me |
| 23:32.05 | B0rk_Meister6six | =( |
| 23:32.36 | B0rk_Meister6six | i wish i could turn off my intel graphics card |
| 23:32.41 | B0rk_Meister6six | and solely use ny nvidia card |
| 23:32.55 | Milo- | that would be way too simple :P |
| 23:33.26 | Milo- | currently this thing is a 2000 euro paperweight |
| 23:34.14 | B0rk_Meister6six | that sucks |
| 23:34.21 | stree | in case closed connection sucks |
| 23:34.27 | B0rk_Meister6six | honestly tho, i never use my nvidia card |
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| 23:35.10 | B0rk_Meister6six | i mean i have to invoke the 'optirun' command if i want to use the nvidia chipset through the intel's output |
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| 23:36.04 | B0rk_Meister6six | its a fancy gpu sitting idle.... |
| 23:36.25 | B0rk_Meister6six | but i can run lxgears through it for shits and grins |
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| 23:36.32 | B0rk_Meister6six | *glxgears |
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| 23:37.45 | B0rk_Meister6six | I'm also using KDE... if that makes a difference |
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| 23:38.57 | Milo- | doesn't really matter since I can't get further than typing my disk encryption password at the moment |
| 23:39.51 | B0rk_Meister6six | i had the same issue (it seems) when i tred to install the nvidia driver without groing through the bummble route |
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| 23:40.54 | B0rk_Meister6six | you need someone smarter than me to help ya |
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| 23:41.50 | Milo- | yep |
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| 23:50.07 | Milo- | Can't find if 375.66 still supports 1050ti or not |
| 23:51.19 | Milo- | nvidia's own page 6 results, oldest one being 378.13 |
| 23:53.11 | B0rk_Meister6six | 375 is what i have |
| 23:53.21 | B0rk_Meister6six | im running 9.1 stable |
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| 23:53.48 | Milo- | but my card is newer than yours? |
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| 23:55.33 | B0rk_Meister6six | GTX 860M is what i have |
| 23:56.22 | Milo- | so yes |
| 23:57.29 | B0rk_Meister6six | and i'm using the nvidia drivers |
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| 23:58.32 | B0rk_Meister6six | yeah... dont know what else to say. I had a fresh install of 9.1 debian on stable with non-free enabled |
| 23:58.37 | B0rk_Meister6six | followed https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
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| 23:59.20 | B0rk_Meister6six | sudo apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus |
| 23:59.24 | B0rk_Meister6six | all i did |
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| 23:59.37 | B0rk_Meister6six | and then added myself to the bumblebee group |