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| 00:05.48 | ee1 | Hello boys. Can anyone tell me what the difference is between using SSH and openVPN, or atleast give me a guide that explains difference between them? Also, I just upgraded from debian jessie to stretch and using openvpn seems to not work, i lose internet connection while using the package openvpn. Thoughts around this Ladies & Gentlemens? |
| 00:10.06 | aexl | ssh is connecting directly to another computer to control it. vpn is a tunnel to another computer to use it's internet connection. iiuc |
| 00:10.47 | aexl | i also have many problems since upgrading from jessie to stretch so it might not be you. |
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| 00:15.59 | ee1 | So why would one want to use a proxy together with SSH then? |
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| 00:18.01 | Brigo | ee1 proxy and ssh are different tools for solving different problems. |
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| 00:20.10 | x|h | Fresh fish here having a hard time with learning how to use certs. I |
| 00:21.19 | x|h | I am trying to connect to hackint and getting * Verify E: unable to get local issuer certificate.? (20) |
| 00:21.44 | x|h | I downloaded the two certs off of there page but I think im missing something. |
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| 00:22.56 | aexl | x|h: connect? to hackint.com or what do you mean? |
| 00:23.08 | x|h | Is there another way to activate the certs? I thought I just had to DL them and select to allow every thing to verify through them. |
| 00:23.16 | x|h | Sorry, no. their irc |
| 00:23.22 | aexl | which client? |
| 00:23.29 | x|h | thanks for the quick response. hexchat |
| 00:23.58 | aexl | i use pidgin. i guess you want/need to use ssl? |
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| 00:24.20 | x|h | Do the certs need to be in the client somehow? I have to admit I am a level 0 in my cert knowledge. |
| 00:24.22 | x|h | I want to . |
| 00:24.36 | x|h | Should I use pidgin over hexchat? |
| 00:24.42 | x|h | Even if not using otr? |
| 00:25.06 | aexl | pidgin just has an option for this (tools>certificates>add). no idea what hexchat says. |
| 00:25.20 | x|h | So the certs need to be in the client? |
| 00:25.26 | aexl | there's no otr in pidgin or what do you mean? |
| 00:25.33 | aexl | ... i guess. |
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| 00:29.40 | aexl | x|h: i just signed into irc.hackint.org over ssl port 9999. pidgin asks me if i want to accept the certificate. that's it. |
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| 00:31.18 | x|h | Hmmm... did you DL the certs from here? |
| 00:31.19 | x|h | https://hackint.org/ca |
| 00:31.33 | aexl | i didn't download anything. pidgin just asked me. |
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| 00:44.49 | simbalion | There's a bunch of little games installed like "Four-in-a-row" is there a way to uninstall that stuff? |
| 00:45.04 | simbalion | I'm assuming they belong to some collective package |
| 00:46.32 | saptech | gnome-games? maybe |
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| 00:48.49 | simbalion | Thanks I will try that :) |
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| 00:49.52 | simbalion | hrm I bet synaptic would speed this up |
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| 01:11.18 | max480p | i installed debian 9 on a Pentium IV 1 gig ram, i was told to install smtube to watch youtube videos since watching them on firefox is dead slow. My question is how can i configure smtube so that i can choose the resolution of them videos before i actually watch them? Obviously, the maximun resolution I want to watch youtube videos is 480p |
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| 01:17.55 | Artemis3 | both smtube and smplayer have a setting for that. |
| 01:18.46 | max480p | can you tell me what setting shall i modify and how? |
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| 01:22.05 | max480p | Artemis3, moreover, have you modify those settings yourself to achive what i want to achieve??? |
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| 01:22.45 | jmcnaught | max480p: I don't know about smtube, but youtube-dl has a man page. You can do 'youtube-dl -F <URL TO VIDEO>' to see a list of formats available, then us -f to select one for it to download (it explains this in more detail in the man page) |
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| 01:25.14 | Artemis3 | its in the menus settings or somewhere |
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| 01:26.16 | Artemis3 | default is auto (likely 720p) |
| 01:26.30 | max480p | jmcnaught, youtube-dl is a command line application i have used and i know the command syntax you mention very well. However, my question is not about the command line but about smtube, a gui application to watch (stream) youtube videos. |
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| 01:43.06 | jmcnaught | max480p: right on, so then you can use mpv which has --ytdl-format as an option |
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| 01:44.49 | jmcnaught | i think there are also firefox add-ons to play videos with mpv+youtube-dl instead of in the browser |
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| 01:50.19 | ac_slater | hey all. I've wondered this for years. When I use pretty much any debian install, copying data to a removable disk (USB) is "different" than whenever I use arch/gentoo/LFS... Example, `cp` returns immediately in arch/gentoo/LFS but blocks until blocks are synced in debian. Anyone have any idea what does that? |
| 01:50.55 | ac_slater | It's nothing in `mount` options at least... |
| 01:52.35 | petn-randall | ac_slater: I cannot relate, since my USB thumb drives are always mounted async (the default). |
| 01:53.37 | ac_slater | petn-randall: as in, `cp` to the disk lies to you and you have to run `sync` manually to ensure things are written? |
| 01:54.11 | ac_slater | I guess that's why I asked. I don't change the mount options on removable volumes but I always get the synchronous behaviour |
| 01:54.18 | petn-randall | ac_slater: It doesn't lie to you, it just returns when it's in the kernel buffer. |
| 01:54.48 | ac_slater | right |
| 01:54.54 | ac_slater | I know ;) I was being snarky |
| 01:55.24 | petn-randall | ac_slater: If you want it to finish only when its physically on the disk, you can set an option, and then the tools calls fdatasync() to ensure there are no dirty buffers left. |
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| 01:56.11 | ac_slater | that (mount) option you're referring to is 'sync' ? |
| 01:56.43 | petn-randall | ac_slater: That would also work, but that would cause *all* file operations to be written to disk before returning. |
| 01:57.13 | petn-randall | ac_slater: dd for example has the fdatasync option. |
| 01:57.19 | ac_slater | oh right. Thanks mate |
| 01:57.44 | ac_slater | I've always wondered what debian did different than other distros... I've always observed that synchronous behaviour |
| 01:58.14 | ac_slater | wasnt sure if it was the DE I was using (gnome, etc) or default mount options, or maybe something completely different |
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| 02:16.20 | diode | hello |
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| 02:33.40 | Linlz | Hello, Im having some trouble booting after an update. When i try to use update-initramfs -u, i get this error: cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab for luks-74157619-14c5-4137-90ee-939d849361da -. But my /etc/crypttab is look like it should. |
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| 02:34.46 | petn-randall | Linlz: Can you paste the contents of your /etc/crypttab to https://paste.debian.net? |
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| 02:37.46 | ee1 | So, have anyone figured out a way to use openvpn with debian stretch yet? I downloaded package openvpn, then I write "openvpn --config /home/user/Downloads/file.ovpn |
| 02:37.46 | ee1 | Everything goes great, I get the normal msg that it's initialized but my internet breaks.. Ideas? Thougts? |
| 02:38.48 | Linlz | petn-randall: im just getting Thanks to some spammers you need to provide at least 2 linebreaks on that site. But heres whats in it: sda6_crypt UUID=74157619-14c5-4137-90ee-939d849361da none luks |
| 02:38.51 | ee1 | If I try to run the openvpn inside a virtual machine however, the internet does not break and it the vpn and internet works inside it. hmm? |
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| 02:42.56 | tw | ee1: check your routes after the VPN is online. |
| 02:44.07 | tw | usually breakage like that is caused by routing problems. Compare it to what happens in the VM. `ip ro show` on linux. |
| 02:45.44 | ee1 | tw: How do I check my routes? |
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| 02:52.17 | petn-randall | Linlz: Can you add the complete error to the paste? |
| 02:54.18 | AlexLikeRock | to paste ; http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 02:57.41 | Linlz | AlexLikeRock: Do i have to use that one? - Because it says Thanks to some spammers you need to provide at least 2 linebreaks. When i try to paste anything. And ive tried with <b> and <br> ? |
| 02:58.17 | petn-randall | Linlz: Add more than two lines. The complete output of 'update-initramfs -u' and /etc/crypttab should be enough. |
| 02:58.39 | tw | ee1: ip ro show is the command you should use. |
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| 03:00.16 | Linlz | https://paste.debian.net/980186/ |
| 03:01.25 | petn-randall | Linlz: Kali? |
| 03:01.48 | Linlz | Yes does that change anything? |
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| 03:03.20 | petn-randall | !kali |
| 03:03.20 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 03:03.36 | petn-randall | Linlz: You can find their channel above. ^^^ |
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| 03:04.42 | Linlz | Alright i will try to ask there. This channel is just soo much bigger. What if i try to install debian and see if i get the same error. Can i get support then even if it was created under kali ? |
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| 03:05.43 | tw | I doubt you can reproduce it in debian if you set up cryptoroot with the installer. |
| 03:06.45 | Linlz | Maybe not. Better go back to pure debian. |
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| 03:07.40 | petn-randall | Linlz: The problem is that Kali is based off testing at *some* point in time. We won't be able to reproduce the issue, and even if, it might be already fixed in Debian. So there's little motivation for us to cater that bug. |
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| 03:08.20 | tw | It's rolling. there's no way of knowing which package set you're based off of in the debian timeline. |
| 03:08.26 | tw | Well, reasonably predicting. |
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| 03:12.24 | AlexLikeRock | capital "O" |
| 03:12.39 | AlexLikeRock | cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda6 root |
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| 03:24.46 | tonymke | I must be dumb, but I cannot for the life of me get pubkey auth working with stretch's new sshd_config config |
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| 03:26.41 | tonymke | https://gist.github.com/tonymke/a75ce8e7a47daed3846f2600dd6e6a22 there some magic config point i'm missing? |
| 03:26.47 | tonymke | that's what it should be I think? |
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| 03:28.50 | jmcnaught | tonymke: key authentication works out of the box with the sshd_config provided by the package |
| 03:29.02 | tonymke | weird. i am going insane then. |
| 03:29.08 | tonymke | key is in the file |
| 03:29.22 | jmcnaught | which key is in what file? |
| 03:29.40 | tonymke | my desktop's pubkey into the server's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 03:30.04 | tonymke | i just said fuck it and reverted back to my prior config from backup |
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| 03:30.26 | jmcnaught | tonymke: comment out both of the options in your gist |
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| 03:31.25 | jmcnaught | tonymke: http://paste.debian.net/980189/ default sshd_config |
| 03:31.47 | jmcnaught | if you're still having trouble, make a paste of yours |
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| 03:32.20 | tonymke | yeah no |
| 03:32.21 | tonymke | denied |
| 03:32.24 | tonymke | deleted |
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| 03:37.50 | tonymke | yeah pasting the default fails after restarting the service |
| 03:38.40 | tonymke | does authorized_keys need some magic permission? |
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| 03:39.53 | jmcnaught | tonymke: you took my sshd_config, pasted it into yours, and not ssh.service fails to restart? |
| 03:40.06 | tonymke | it restarts fine just can't auth |
| 03:40.13 | tonymke | i think it's the key paste itself |
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| 03:40.21 | tonymke | in authorized_keys |
| 03:40.32 | jmcnaught | tonymke: you should look at "journalctl -u ssh.service" and /var/log/auth.log on the server, and use "ssh -v â¦" on the client |
| 03:40.34 | tonymke | rewriting it seems to have fixed it |
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| 03:42.25 | tonymke | guess my little "curl my pubkeys from github" thing writes it in a way it doesn't like |
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| 03:43.10 | tonymke | well, thanks for your help |
| 03:43.11 | tonymke | <3 |
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| 03:46.30 | elixir | Hey all. I am currently setting up a web server that will be running Debian and am contemplating how I should partition the servers 1 TB HDD. Is there any reason to stick with the old, micro partitioning style (/boot, /var, /usr, etc.) or is it more beneficial to use something like /boot, swap, / (rest of disk). Thoughts? |
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| 03:49.13 | tw | I usually do /boot, swap, /, /srv, then noexec,nodev,nosuid on /srv |
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| 03:50.29 | elixir | tw: And /srv is used for all server data? |
| 03:50.48 | tw | Generally speaking. |
| 03:51.01 | Rusty1_64 | keeping /var separate is usually a good idea in case logs get out of control |
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| 04:08.30 | Fa|ko | Hi |
| 04:09.37 | Fa|ko | A question: is possible to use tomcat8 with openjdk-7 in stretch ? |
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| 04:12.23 | atralheaven_ | Hi guys, I wanted to know which version of KDE does debian 9 stable have? thanks |
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| 04:16.08 | elixir | atralheaven_: I see a kde-full package in the repositories listed as version 5:92. (https://packages.debian.org/stretch/kde-full) |
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| 05:44.35 | Anonrate | Would unnoficial and non-free packages be considered the same? |
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| 05:47.23 | jmcnaught | Anonrate: non-free is defined here: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html I'm not sure what you mean by unofficial. Perhaps the unoffical ISO images that include non-free firmware packages? |
| 05:47.46 | Anonrate | Thank you kind person. |
| 05:49.33 | Anonrate | By unnoficial I mean I am given a link for some firmware that is cdimage/unofficial/mom-free/firmware/... Still from Debian, just not sure if it's "Official" or "Unnoficial". I do know that it is "Non-Free". |
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| 05:54.01 | jmcnaught | those aren't the official installer images, but are provided as a convenience for users |
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| 05:54.59 | Anonrate | Thank you. That is just the answer I was looking for. And how bad would it be if I upgraded the kernel in Stretch and built the stable version of mesa? |
| 05:55.15 | jmcnaught | ,kernels |
| 05:55.16 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-2-686 (4.11.11-1+b1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 05:55.17 | judd | (3.2.89-2) |
| 05:55.51 | jmcnaught | hmmm⦠stretch-backports isn't listed there, but there's a newer kernel there if you need it |
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| 05:57.00 | jim | probably themill has to do a little tinkering to get stretch-backports |
| 05:57.24 | jmcnaught | https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ <-- you don't need to use ftp.debian.org as in the example, use the same mirror as your other repos |
| 05:57.32 | Anonrate | It has beena long time since I've seen that name. ('jim') |
| 05:58.03 | jim | hmm, I've been around |
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| 05:58.14 | Anonrate | I know, I haven't though. I've been gone for months. |
| 05:58.39 | jim | oh ok |
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| 06:07.17 | asarch | Where is 'npm' for Stretch? |
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| 06:09.16 | tw | re:npm #857986 |
| 06:09.17 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/857986 in npm (open, stretch, moreinfo, buster, sid): «npm: package is 3 years old (consider removal?)»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-03-16; last modified: 2017-07-04. |
| 06:09.40 | AciD` | asarch -> there I think "deb http://dl.yarnpkg.com/debian/ stable main" |
| 06:10.02 | asarch | Thank you |
| 06:10.06 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
| 06:10.30 | asarch | Thank you very much guys |
| 06:10.31 | AciD` | (was kidding, it's no npm, but yarn, which is pretty good in itself and can replace npm) |
| 06:10.55 | asarch | Ok :-P |
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| 06:12.54 | asarch | Thank you very much once again :-) |
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| 06:57.01 | mender27 | I have a problem with a ZyDAS ZD1211B wireless dongle on Debian 9.1. Immediately after authenticating, it deauthenticates with "local choice (Reason: 2=DEAUTH_LEAVING)". What could be the reason? |
| 06:57.02 | fireba11 | hi, i'm having some issues in a debian9 VM (vmware 6.5) with the NIC. what type of NIC is recommended to use? haven't found anything about that so far ... |
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| 06:59.10 | tapewormcommande | hi everyone, I'm having a small issue with moving from stable to testing |
| 06:59.29 | tapewormcommande | I installed stable, and since I have a pretty new AMD RX560 (Polaris, which has support since kernel 4.9.5) thus I installed firmware-linux and clang-3.9+llvm-3.9. All good, it works. |
| 07:00.08 | tapewormcommande | However, I want to move to testing, since a newer kernel might have better support for what I want. Left only those 2 repos for testing, following the documentation and ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade And all ran fine, but no new kernel. So I ran apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:00.24 | tapewormcommande | And I got 4.11, but whenever I try to boot it, or its recovery, I get a black screen. |
| 07:01.12 | tapewormcommande | so I ran 4.9, but sadly, whenever 4.9 gets resource-intensive it breaks itself |
| 07:01.22 | tapewormcommande | any idea how I could fix this? |
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| 07:06.32 | mender27 | tapewormcommande: what do you mean by "breaks itself"? You get a kernel panic in the kernel itself or the radeon kernel module triggers a kernel panic or what? :) |
| 07:06.58 | tapewormcommande | it reboots the system |
| 07:07.22 | mender27 | That's pretty weird... |
| 07:08.13 | tapewormcommande | my SSD and HDD are OK, I have 12GiB of swap to my 8 GiB of RAM, / in EXT4 on my 256GiB SSD, /home in EXT4 as well on my 1TB HDD |
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| 07:09.42 | mender27 | That sounds perfectly fine. The rebooting is somewhat strange, because after a kernel panic the system should hang for a while at least. |
| 07:10.25 | tapewormcommande | if "a while" means a 3-5 seconds, then yea, but that's about it |
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| 07:11.19 | tapewormcommande | I doubt it's my GPU since everything worked mostly fine with openSUSE in the past few days (except btrfs, but that could be my share of stupidity) |
| 07:11.31 | tapewormcommande | so, I guess it might be my motherboard :\ |
| 07:11.59 | tapewormcommande | but then, I have UEFI disabled. |
| 07:12.04 | mender27 | Can you try rebooting into non-accelerated 2D mode with the radeon driver unloaded? That way we can at least rule out the driver. |
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| 07:12.36 | jmcnaught | tapewormcommande: if you just need a newer kernel then you can install one from stretch-backports |
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| 07:13.15 | tapewormcommande | mender27 you mean rebooting into 4.9 recovery? |
| 07:13.52 | mender27 | tapewormcommande: possibly yes. |
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| 07:14.03 | tapewormcommande | okay, I'll try |
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| 07:14.14 | mender27 | tapewormcommande: I usually go down to the console, kill X, disable the display manager and unload the driver. |
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| 07:15.56 | tapewormcommande | mender27: lemme see how that works... |
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| 07:17.53 | tapewormcommande | mender27: would uninstalling it have the same effect? |
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| 07:21.13 | mender27 | tapewormcommande: uninstalling what? The Xorg driver for Radeon cards? I think yes. Then the display manager would need to start in 2D mode without modesetting most likely. At least that's how it works on openSUSE. |
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| 07:22.26 | CoderEurope | Does #debian have an offtopic channel ? |
| 07:22.46 | jmcnaught | CoderEurope: #debian-offtopic |
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| 07:28.04 | mender27 | Is it possible that wpa_supplicant and NetworkManager are in conflict when both are enabled as systemd services? |
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| 07:30.46 | tapewormcommande | mender27: funny story - not a single mesa driver is installed |
| 07:31.10 | mender27 | tapewormcommande: that would probably explain your problem :D. |
| 07:31.22 | tapewormcommande | yea, awkward as hell |
| 07:31.54 | mender27 | I, meanwhile, am still combating my ZyDAS wireless, which drops authentication :/. |
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| 07:33.16 | jmcnaught | mender27: you could use journalctl to see logs from anything involving /sbin/wpa_supplicant or the NetworkManager.service unit: 'journalctl _SYSTEMD_UNIT=NetworkManager.service + _EXE=/sbin/wpa_supplicant' |
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| 07:33.34 | mender27 | jmcnaught: thanks a bunch. I'll do that :). |
| 07:34.09 | jmcnaught | mender27: i would also check 'journalctl | grep -i firmware' to see if any firmware fails to load |
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| 07:34.27 | mender27 | jmcnaught: dmesg claims that the firmware is loaded fine. |
| 07:34.28 | jak2020 | https://paste.debian.net/980198/ anyone can try help me? |
| 07:35.02 | tapewormcommande | mender27: with regards to that, I don't have the slightest idea. I had some network issues whilst I had UEFI enabled, but that's about it |
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| 07:35.55 | jmcnaught | jak2020: '/msg dpkg bat' |
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| 07:39.22 | mender27 | jmcnaught: neither NetworkManager nor wpa_supplicant seem to be picking up any errors, but I'll try to start a wireless connection and "tail" journalctl in real-time. |
| 07:39.37 | jmcnaught | mender27: journalctl -f |
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| 07:44.14 | mender27 | jmcnaught: so journalctl offered some extra information, but each time it's a different disconnection reason. So far I had "disconnected (reason 'none')", reason 'ssid-not-found' and now 'reason -3' |
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| 07:46.25 | mender27 | jmcnaught: though I noticed that I accidentally gave this box a hostname that's already used in the local network by another PC that's connected already :/. |
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| 07:49.45 | mender27 | Same issue. Random reasons and not being able to connect even to a guest network. |
| 07:50.32 | jmcnaught | mender27: I don't know where NetworkManager's error codes are documented, but I would search for those reasons starting with -3. Good luck, gotta go ⺠|
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| 07:50.44 | mender27 | jmcnaught: thanks a lot :). |
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| 07:59.55 | Natrick | Hi. On Linux, the set of file descriptors open in a process can be accessed under the path /proc/PID/fd/, where PID is the process identifier. (-- Wikipedia) If that's true, is it also true that file descriptors are being closed automatically if the process is closed? |
| 08:00.23 | nvz | Natrick: yes |
| 08:00.46 | Natrick | So, everything is cleaned up properly? |
| 08:00.58 | mender27 | In a perfect scenario, yes. |
| 08:01.32 | Natrick | Open (or unproperly closed) file descriptors are only an issue for open processes, not closed ones? |
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| 08:02.27 | jak2020 | jmcnaught: in my case: apt-cache policy submin2-core submin2-svn submin2-git submin2-trac ? |
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| 08:06.50 | nvz | Natrick: a closed process can't exactly have open files what is it you're trying to figure out here, and what does it have to do with debian? |
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| 08:08.00 | Guest4845 | i need a new OS and its between fedora and debian... |
| 08:08.07 | Guest4845 | your thoughts interest me |
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| 08:10.38 | babilen | Guest4845: Try both, choose the one you like more |
| 08:11.33 | CDuv | Hello, I recently upgraded a Debian 8 (with PHP 5.6) to Debian 9 and got both PHP 5.6 and 7.0 version (both versions for CLI, and 5.6 only Apache module): is that normal? I mean I thought it would have removed any PHP 5.6 and installed PHP 7.0 instead. Thanks |
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| 08:16.07 | mender27 | So apparently I was hit by a NetworkManager bug with some old 802.11g USB wireless adapters. Thanks for help everyone :) |
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| 08:30.18 | Aebian | Hi, I have a linux system on our VMware vCloud. I got 4 "hard disks" each 20GB and I want to extend one specific. Problem is that BUS Number is 0 and I only got Unit numbers. Is there a way to find the specific drive then? I already tried 'lsblk' but that does not really help |
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| 08:34.01 | Natrick | nvz, it does not have anything todo with Debian exactly, but Linux. And I made very good experiences with the people of this channel (which you have also confirmed today) |
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| 08:35.02 | aexl_zZz | Aebian: is the linux system installed on any of these hard disks? have you tried /sbin/blkid? |
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| 08:36.16 | Natrick | nvz, the initial problem is related to a discussion I have with someone about the use of inotify and Python. They guy claims that it's necessary to close file descriptors and it's hard to do so in that scenario. The FDs are open all the time (inotify) and are not closed while the application runs. Because it's a wgsi process it's more difficult to register signals (by default prevented by wsgi) but I think it's just not necessary to take |
| 08:36.16 | Natrick | care of that and worked on my understanding of FDs |
| 08:36.32 | nvz | Natrick: yes well, freenode is a great place but we need to try keep on topic in high volume channels like this, your inquiries are for ##linux or most of us regulars in #debian hang out in #debian-offtopic which is our social channel. This channel is for debian support and its rude to just use this channel for other things when people are trying to get help with debian issues |
| 08:37.24 | Natrick | Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude. Thanks for the hints to the other channels, I'm going to use them in the future |
| 08:37.38 | Aebian | aexl_zZz: hmm yes I get uuid with that command |
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| 08:38.47 | tnorth | hey there |
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| 08:40.47 | pseupedia | Hello |
| 08:40.49 | pseupedia | I have http_access allow localnet in my sqid.conf, but for some reason, when visiting http sites, i get an access denied error. why? |
| 08:41.04 | pseupedia | i am using squid |
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| 08:42.02 | titikaka | hey |
| 08:42.09 | pseupedia | hey |
| 08:42.17 | pseupedia | titikaka: could you help me? |
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| 08:43.44 | tnorth | Running debian 9.1, I have a weird behavior on a NFS4 mount: ls /mnt/foo/ correctly lists all files. However, cat /mnt/foo/bar says: cat: /mnt/foo/bar: connection timed out. How is that possible? listing everything (ls -lR) works perfectly. Only opening files doesnt. |
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| 08:46.24 | aexl | pseupedia: have you tried asking at #squid? |
| 08:46.54 | pseupedia | aexl: yes, no help there ... and i need fast help that is the problem |
| 08:46.57 | aexl | tnorth: have you tried asking at #nfs? |
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| 08:47.22 | aexl | pseupedia: has it ever worked? |
| 08:47.34 | aexl | i mean surfing with squid? |
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| 08:48.17 | pseupedia | aexl: it works for ssl pages when i've enabled ssl filtering, and the problem: i have one server where it works also for http, but i can't find the differences in configuration between them ... |
| 08:48.38 | tnorth | @aexl: not yet, wanted to know if that was known here. I'll ping there, thanks! |
| 08:48.57 | aexl | tnorth: or even try ##linux |
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| 08:49.27 | tnorth | aexl: thanks :) |
| 08:49.31 | pseupedia | aexl: can you help me? i need to get it working now ... |
| 08:50.01 | aexl | pseupedia: nope sorry |
| 08:50.18 | pseupedia | mhh |
| 08:50.32 | aexl | although many people chatting is fast irc isn't |
| 08:51.20 | aexl | +think |
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| 08:53.45 | aexl | tnorth: yw. didn't do a thing. :) |
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| 10:03.58 | Alver | Hi. I'm having issues with a freshly installed debian 9: on one machine, static ipv6 activation goes wrong, services fail to start and no default route is added. |
| 10:04.28 | Alver | The config is dead simple - iface ens192 inet6 static, address foo:bar::bla/80, gateway foo:bar::1 |
| 10:04.54 | zOthix | [ sed -e 's/72;/72, next_val = 0x11111111;/;/@/{h;s/test/next/g;x;G}' fmt_vuln.c > fmt_vuln2.c ] i can understand it till [ sed -e 's/72;/72, next_val = 0x11111111;/ ] how does the rest of scrip works ? |
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| 10:10.51 | Alver | For a short time, a strange "default" gateway appears: default via fe80::20c:29ff:fe8e:fb41 dev ens192 proto ra metric 1024 expires 20sec hoplimit 64 pref medium |
| 10:11.06 | Alver | That's obviously not the one I configured - can't see anything in syslog either. |
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| 10:14.41 | format_c | Alver: I think this is automatically configured via SLAAC |
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| 10:16.38 | format_c | Alver: btw is your netmask really correct? |
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| 10:18.14 | format_c | check https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Configuring_the_interface_manually |
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| 10:28.46 | Fa|ko | question: is possible to use tomcat8 with openjdk-7 in stretch ? |
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| 10:34.39 | Henry151 | good morning #debian :) I am a proud new user of Debian 9; having finally stopped using Kali as my desktop OS and installed Debian on my laptop :) |
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| 10:36.57 | format_c | Henry151: welcome |
| 10:37.16 | Henry151 | I'm using xfce. I want to know, what is the recommended method for changing the configuration of my mobile broadband/3G connection? It appears in my network-manager applet, that is, if I press the little network icon next to my username in the upper-right corner of the screen, I have an option "Mobile Broadband" that sees an available "Home Network (CDMA)" and I initially configured it to have a |
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| 10:37.22 | Henry151 | connection named Verizon. I want to confirm/edit the configuration for the Verizon connection, to make sure I've got the right username/password, because it doesn't seem to want to connect. |
| 10:37.26 | Henry151 | format_c: thanks :) |
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| 10:38.18 | Henry151 | woops I just found it--right click, "edit connections" :D nevermind |
| 10:39.14 | format_c | Henry151: Right. If you want to configure a interface using the traditional way using the "interfaces" file, you need to excempt this interface then in NetworkManager that it doesn't take care of. |
| 10:39.30 | format_c | But if you're lucky with NetworkManager, you're fine. |
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| 10:40.29 | Henry151 | yeah I think I was using gnome previously, and had a "edit connections" button in the drop-down menu, instead of having to right-click, that's why I was missing it |
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| 10:43.50 | format_c | yes meanwhile XCFE and Gnome GUI concepts significantly differs. |
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| 11:05.52 | tdn | I have two external USB HDDs that shows up in /dev/disk/by-id with their "logical" name like "ata-d2_Quadra_v3C_XXXXXX" or "usb-WD_My_Book_1140_XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX". But there are no World Wide Name entry for these in /dev/disk/by-id like: wwn-0x50000fffffffffff. However smartctl reports that at least one of the disks have a WWN. So why is this not created in /dev? Any way to force the creation of this? Or can I t |
| 11:05.58 | tdn | rust the ata-d2_Quadra_v3C_XXXXXX type names to be consistent as I remove or plug in the disk. Across reboots and on various hosts? |
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| 11:13.24 | debo | hi guys, i upgraded to debian buster and have been unable to install a useable nvidia driver for this kerenel |
| 11:13.37 | debo | i am using vesa now but resolution is too low, nouveau is not working well for me either |
| 11:14.11 | debo | when i try to install nvidia driver from source it tells me that my version of gcc is different from the version used to compile the kernel |
| 11:14.43 | debo | should I install the old version of gcc or compile the kernel with the new gcc? |
| 11:15.01 | debo | doing either would be new for me... |
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| 11:20.15 | debo | product: G72 [GeForce 7300 LE] |
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| 11:21.41 | Sveta | how do enable php with thread safety? the web says, need to recompile php with --enable-maintainer-zts |
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| 11:25.15 | Alver | format_c: the netmask is correct, yes. |
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| 11:25.50 | Alver | format_c: and that is pretty much what I have - the IP doesn't get added right away it seems, after which nginx e.g. fails (because it's set to listen to that ipv6 IP), and while the IP does get added somewhere later, the route never is |
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| 11:26.28 | Alver | I could add the whole shebang in a post-up hook for ipv4, but I don't get why this would happen in the first place |
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| 11:28.28 | format_c | Alver: your notation 2001:db8::1/64 differs from what the Wiki says |
| 11:28.53 | format_c | Wiki says address 2001:db8::1\n netmask 64 |
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| 11:30.24 | format_c | Of course if the IPv6 address isn't applied, services cannot listen on it. However, normally services listen to :: instead of explicitely configured IP addresses. |
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| 11:46.49 | Alver | format_c: I tried both; both have the same result (I tried this syntax because I saw it in some debian related mailinglists) |
| 11:47.34 | Alver | format_c: I suppose I could tell nginx to listed to everything, but... why, still :) |
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| 11:48.49 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
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| 11:50.31 | Alver | format_c: and even if that stops nginx from failing - I still don't have a default ipv6 route :/ |
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| 11:53.00 | abrotman | Alver: You're using fixed IPs? What is your interfaces file? |
| 11:53.58 | Alver | abrotman: iface ens192 inet6 static, address foo:bar::bla/80, gateway foo:bar::1 |
| 11:54.11 | abrotman | pastebin please, with actual values. |
| 11:54.12 | Alver | abrotman: I tried with a separate gateway line too (both should work) but same result. |
| 11:54.21 | abrotman | it's going to be a public website, your IP won't be "private" much longer |
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| 11:56.23 | Alver | abrotman: I guess you're right about that. https://pastebin.com/HMgkC7Hc |
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| 12:00.59 | Alver | abrotman: the most boggling thing is that the exact same config (but with different last octet, obviously) works fine on multiple other VMs |
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| 12:03.19 | abrotman | Alver: does the address even come online? (in ip addr show, etc) |
| 12:04.02 | Alver | abrotman: yes, the address itself comes online, but only after various services have failed on it (nginx, ntpd). The route never does. |
| 12:04.37 | abrotman | tried adding the route manually? can you ping the next hop (the gateway)? |
| 12:04.46 | Alver | Yes, if I add it manually everything works as expected |
| 12:05.01 | Alver | I can ping the next hop and anything on the internet |
| 12:05.32 | Alver | Services also work from the internet over the allowed ports in the firewall |
| 12:06.15 | Alver | I'm fairly confident that I can remove the inet6 section entirely and make it work with two post-up hooks for ipv4, but that's nasty and not the way it should be |
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| 12:07.36 | abrotman | Why does dmesg say that the interface won't come up? |
| 12:07.42 | abrotman | (anything useful in the logs?) |
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| 12:11.39 | Alver | abrotman: nothing in dmesg except this (much later): TCP: ens192: Driver has suspect GRO implementation, TCP performance may be compromised. |
| 12:11.54 | Alver | But I get that on the other VMs too, and according to what I've read it's harmless |
| 12:12.16 | abrotman | so it just fails to come online without notice? |
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| 12:14.15 | Alver | abrotman: Aug 7 12:12:06 mail sh[511]: RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 12:14.15 | Alver | Aug 7 12:12:06 mail sh[511]: ifup: failed to bring up ens192 |
| 12:14.28 | Alver | Sorry for the two lines. But that's the only relevant thing I can see. |
| 12:15.16 | abrotman | (not for nothing, IPv6 for inbound email is a different beast) |
| 12:15.19 | Alver | Plus everything after it, of course - systemd[1]: ifup@ens192.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE, and then the services that start complaining. |
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| 12:16.50 | Alver | abrotman: uhuh, mailservers on ipv6 seem to be... interesting. But that's unrelated here I hope ;) |
| 12:16.51 | abrotman | Alver: that tends to happens when you ahve the gateway defined twice AFAICT. |
| 12:17.27 | abrotman | Alver: If you have questions about that topic, PM me. Back to the IPv6 route issue. |
| 12:18.20 | abrotman | Alver: So, obviously you need to have the gateway defined for the IPv6 interface, but you could give the IPv6 interface a different/virtual name |
| 12:19.11 | Alver | Well, it is only defined once, obviously... hmm. A different name - like ens192.1 or alike? |
| 12:19.27 | abrotman | Alver: the other bit I see is to set the accept_ra=0 via the interfaces file or sysctl |
| 12:19.50 | Alver | Ah - I didn't think of that |
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| 12:20.29 | abrotman | Not sure if your provider does RAs, but if the interface is looking for them, it could be fouling things up |
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| 12:22.06 | Alver | abrotman: net.ipv6.conf.all.accept_ra=0 in a .conf in /etc/sysctl.d/ should do then, I suppose? Or do I need to specify it for the interface again |
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| 12:23.42 | Alver | abrotman: hm, actually, it's already disabled apparently: net.ipv6.conf.ens192.accept_ra = 0, according to sysctl |
| 12:23.45 | abrotman | Alver: seems that should work. I think my preference would be in the interfaces file so it's more obvious, but admins do things a millino ways |
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| 12:29.27 | bitlan | hello, how i can, clear NIC counters without unplugg NIC ? |
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| 12:31.40 | abrotman | bitlan: you mean the RX and TX values for example? |
| 12:32.02 | bitlan | yep |
| 12:32.17 | bitlan | i have issuse between cisco nexus 3000 <-> debian |
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| 12:32.34 | bitlan | i have 2x 10G bonding between this devices |
| 12:32.49 | bitlan | and i don't know why i have "RX Paused" on my nexus |
| 12:34.01 | abrotman | bitlan: man ip-tcp_metrics .. maybe? |
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| 12:35.10 | format_c | abrotman: on my machine the same interface name for inet and inet6 section works (Jessie) |
| 12:35.28 | abrotman | format_c: yes, I know, I was just offering it as an option |
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| 12:36.02 | abrotman | but it really seems like if he comments out the gateway, it wouldn't have that error, but that's not the real solution |
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| 12:37.46 | Alver | abrotman, format_c: small update: disabling accept_ra *does* make a difference, but not reliably |
| 12:38.13 | abrotman | pfft, who needs reliable .. |
| 12:38.34 | abrotman | Alver: disabling it where? via interfaces file or via sysctl? |
| 12:38.42 | abrotman | is there anything in your interfaces.d directory? |
| 12:38.49 | Alver | Aha, if I disable autoconf and accept_ra for all, default AND the specific interface, via sysctl, it does work |
| 12:39.06 | abrotman | is that all? |
| 12:39.07 | Alver | If I change anything to that combo - not specifying explicitly for ens192, or doing that in interfaces - it fails again |
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| 12:39.32 | abrotman | I wonder if you you change hotplug to auto if it might make a difference |
| 12:39.55 | abrotman | (I can't imagine why, but might be worth trying) |
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| 12:41.00 | Alver | Hm, worth a try. I've rebooted two dozen times already, once more won't hurt |
| 12:41.22 | Alver | ... huh. It actually does. |
| 12:41.44 | tremolo | hurt? |
| 12:41.55 | Alver | Haha. No, it makes a difference. |
| 12:42.00 | tremolo | ah |
| 12:42.09 | Alver | allow-hotplug causes issues unless I specify a boatload of sysctl stuff. |
| 12:42.16 | Alver | auto just... works. As far as I can tell so far. |
| 12:42.42 | format_c | abrotman: Alver: yes, omit hotplug but state "auto ens192" above the inet section. Here's my interfaces as a reference: |
| 12:42.46 | format_c | http://paste.debian.net/980239/ |
| 12:43.04 | abrotman | Alver: so all good? |
| 12:43.11 | Alver | abrotman: looks like it, yep. Thanks. |
| 12:43.33 | Alver | Guess I'll run a script to verify all machines are on auto instead of allow-hotplug from now on. |
| 12:44.01 | abrotman | "That was easy" - Staples |
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| 12:44.50 | Alver | Heh. |
| 12:45.10 | Alver | Strange though. All the machines I've checked so far have allow-hotplug, and only that one barfed on it |
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| 12:46.35 | abrotman | Alver: might be something about different services running on that specific system |
| 12:46.48 | Alver | abrotman: but if you have experiences to share about running a mail server on ipv6, I'm also interested - could save me headaches later too. |
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| 12:47.24 | abrotman | Alver: PM if you'd like, not really a topic for this channel |
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| 12:47.53 | format_c | I'm running exim4 on dual stack. Cannot remember of any IPv6 specific issues. |
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| 12:50.03 | ksk | hola. I thought "+S" was the sticky but, but reading "man chattr" It says something about writing things to a disk - am I doing it wrong? |
| 12:50.30 | abrotman | format_c: I may be a different size target than you :) |
| 12:51.42 | format_c | probably. |
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| 12:59.05 | asdqweqwdqdeqweq | hi :D |
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| 13:00.05 | Alver | Right, auto-hotplug has been replaced all over. Thanks a lot abrotman. Off to move more stuff now. |
| 13:00.13 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 13:23.55 | mallxs | i suddenly have a + in my file permissions (=ACLs) but i don't have setfattr or getfattr installed on my system ! how did it get there and how do i drop that ? |
| 13:28.32 | grift | mallxs look for setfacl/getfacl, setfattr/getattr is for . instead of + i believe |
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| 13:30.52 | mallxs | grift: thx |
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| 13:34.26 | tw | . is for security context. setfattr doesn't show up in ls as far as I can tell. |
| 13:36.06 | tw | for example https://paste.debian.net/980246/ |
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| 13:36.53 | dokma | Is there a way to tell the filesystem to append file to another without reading or writing the data, i.e. by just attaching the inodes to the other file? |
| 13:37.17 | jolt | cat foo >> foobar? |
| 13:37.18 | dokma | I have many 1TB files that I need to merge and I'd appreciate if I could use a trick to do it. |
| 13:37.29 | dokma | jolt: that does the reading and writing. |
| 13:37.37 | jolt | ah, sorry |
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| 13:38.36 | dokma | If the tool does not exist I might just go and write it myself. |
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| 13:38.50 | jolt | dokma: Stackoverflow says that it is only theoretically possible and suggest ">>". I've never heard of anything around that. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13411093/how-to-merge-2-big-files |
| 13:39.25 | dokma | I already used >> with pv. Takes ages. |
| 13:40.05 | jolt | dokma: maybe with fseek and a sparse file, but you still need the reading I guess. |
| 13:40.15 | tw | it'll be filesystem specific. There aren't ioctls I'm aware of for that. |
| 13:40.29 | dokma | I thought so too... |
| 13:40.38 | dokma | It must be filesystem specific. |
| 13:40.41 | tw | basically you're trying to emplace one file at the end of the other destroying the original. |
| 13:40.52 | tw | (both originals) |
| 13:41.04 | dokma | exactly |
| 13:41.20 | dokma | So my thought was why read or write anything. |
| 13:41.33 | dokma | All that needs to be done is to reconnect the inodes to the other file. |
| 13:41.39 | tw | It should be possible, but getting all the nuance correct for whichever filesystem you're already on may be a pain in the as. |
| 13:41.54 | dokma | Unfortunately, that was my thought also. |
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| 13:42.29 | tw | I'd script the copy automatically now, and see how long it takes you to write the tool. |
| 13:42.46 | tw | One of 'em is going to win =p |
| 13:42.49 | dokma | script the copy? |
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| 13:43.01 | dokma | Oh... I already scripte the copy |
| 13:43.17 | dokma | Using pv plot2 >> plot1 |
| 13:43.27 | tw | Perfect, you have until it finishes to write a better tool ;) |
| 13:43.45 | dokma | Works as intended but it blocks my system for days. |
| 13:43.58 | dokma | And I have to repeat it for about 10 8TB disks. |
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| 13:44.36 | tw | Can't your data reader take multiple files as input? Do you actually need to merge them? |
| 13:44.38 | dokma | Disks are archive versions so not to fast on my e8500 SATAII system. |
| 13:45.14 | mallxs | grift: i could remove the + sign with setfacl -bn .... still wandering how it got there |
| 13:45.16 | dokma | The miner for some reason reads them quite a lot faster when merged. |
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| 13:46.48 | dokma | I'm thinking that I actually might have more luck trying to redirect the output of the plotter to be appended to the previous plot immediately. |
| 13:48.40 | dokma | The plotter does not take the name of the output file but I might be able to woodoo my way around it and get is to somehow write into a <(pv >> plot1) |
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| 13:50.15 | grift | mallxs, yes process do stuff on your behalf, if you want some control over that then configure a mandatory access control framework |
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| 13:52.00 | dokma | I think I'll have to hack the plotter code a bit... |
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| 13:55.45 | _Strix_ | guys need some help here. |
| 13:56.13 | jolt | _Strix_: Easier to help you if we know the question |
| 13:56.20 | _Strix_ | I'm having trouble configuring BitchX |
| 13:56.27 | _Strix_ | root@strix:~/BitchX1.2# ./configure |
| 13:56.47 | _Strix_ | what should I do? |
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| 13:58.04 | jolt | _Strix_: I'm pretty sure that's not really a debian problem. Run something modern, like irssi? |
| 13:58.05 | format_c | _Strix_: besides having the build-essential package; I'd guess reading the README and INSTALL file. |
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| 13:58.32 | jolt | but format_c was more on point |
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| 13:59.23 | _Strix_ | I could easily install it on my other machine. |
| 13:59.44 | format_c | nopaste the output |
| 14:00.20 | _Strix_ | It was the output when I tried to configure it. |
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| 14:01.19 | jolt | _Strix_: Did you install build-essential like format_c told ya? |
| 14:02.02 | _Strix_ | I didn't install anything else. |
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| 14:16.50 | netherworld | Is there a server to play SNES games online? |
| 14:17.32 | netherworld | I would provide the server and the games and people would to connect to it and play together with other people. |
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| 14:32.48 | _sfiguser | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.14 | johnkeates | just read the source code |
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| 14:34.45 | _sfiguser | johnkeates, i'm not so skilled buddy |
| 14:35.01 | johnkeates | well, that's how you get the skills |
| 14:35.27 | johnkeates | between programming anything like a web server or emulator or hypervisor and where you are now, there is going to be at least 5 years of work |
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| 14:36.09 | johnkeates | unless you are special and faster then everybody ever |
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| 14:38.12 | johnkeates | you may want to start some place simple like a basic hello world program in C, and in Python and maybe Java |
| 14:38.37 | greycat | Well, if you're interested in complex internal stuff, C is the language of choice. |
| 14:38.39 | johnkeates | and then back to basics and get design patterns, algorithms |
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| 14:39.08 | johnkeates | then to software engineering like development life cycle and design-plan-test-release type of working |
| 14:39.37 | johnkeates | and then you'll need to get to know the tools, not just the ones you like, but also the ones in use, i.e. autotools, cmake, waf |
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| 14:39.46 | johnkeates | and llvm+clan and gcc |
| 14:40.46 | johnkeates | and then you'll need to learn things like the standard libraries, a whole different thing, and extra libraries |
| 14:40.53 | johnkeates | and documenting stuff |
| 14:41.21 | johnkeates | because if you are going to read code from 5 years ago, you won't know what the hell is was what you were thinking |
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| 14:50.57 | Orbstheorem | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_error_correction?wprov=sfla1 |
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| 14:52.05 | Orbstheorem | Is there any tool on linux to do error correction encoding/decoding? |
| 14:53.58 | greycat | That's more of a programming language question. There may be libraries for it in various popular languages. At the Debian level, we usually just rely on TCP's builtin checksums for error detection when transferring files. |
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| 14:55.43 | Orbstheorem | greycat: Yeah, I know I could code my own thing, but I was curious id such tools exist already |
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| 14:56.11 | greycat | The only place I've ever seen/heard it implemented is inside Freenet. |
| 14:56.13 | Orbstheorem | Ie. I reciently noticed that bzip2 implements burrows-wheeler |
| 14:56.16 | GNU\colossus | Orbstheorem, for that kind of data? files? |
| 14:56.46 | Orbstheorem | piped data |
| 14:56.51 | Orbstheorem | (Binary) |
| 14:57.28 | GNU\colossus | so you want to encapsulate your data flow into a transparent protocol that handles error correction for you? |
| 14:58.07 | Orbstheorem | Yep |
| 14:59.05 | GNU\colossus | what's the specific use case? don't you trust the error correction (detect & resend) capabilities of TCP? |
| 14:59.09 | Orbstheorem | like socat going through openssl for encryption |
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| 14:59.19 | GNU\colossus | yeah, that'd be my first suggestion |
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| 15:01.42 | Orbstheorem | I don't have a well established use case. I want to stream data through an UART port, so I wanted to see if I should do everything by my own or there was already an existing solution |
| 15:02.17 | GNU\colossus | https://github.com/Venemo/fecmagic might be worth a look |
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| 15:05.08 | Orbstheorem | (socat should definitively an a fec module :P) |
| 15:05.23 | pie3 | which distributed services you know about/use/heard ? e.g. SVN is distributed |
| 15:05.25 | Orbstheorem | s/an/add/ |
| 15:05.27 | GNU\colossus | yeah, that'd be awesome ;) |
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| 15:05.46 | tw | why? tcp resend is basically guaranteed to work. |
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| 15:06.26 | GNU\colossus | tw, well, TCP checksums fail to detect errors every once in a few billion segments |
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| 15:06.50 | GNU\colossus | this.englishify() |
| 15:07.05 | jelly | one way pipe, no defined handshake or block protocol? How does the endpoint know whether the stream is finished or merely paused? |
| 15:07.15 | tw | That's okay, run data authentication. Things like reed solomon are expensive. |
| 15:07.48 | jelly | no ssh for a serial line |
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| 15:08.29 | Orbstheorem | jelly you can always use flow control. I mean if socat manages to negociate an ssl connection, I'm petty sure there's a decent way to 'negociate' an fec link |
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| 15:09.17 | jelly | socat has a LOT of features |
| 15:09.29 | Orbstheorem | Btw, does mosh implement its own error tldetection or just crosses its fingers? |
| 15:10.03 | Orbstheorem | socat <3 |
| 15:10.06 | tw | It prevents replay and the packets are authenticated using dtls. |
| 15:10.19 | tw | so yes, it does basic error detection. |
| 15:10.56 | jelly | I'd call that packet drop/loss management, not error detection :-) |
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| 15:11.43 | tw | well, packet replay is a fairly significant concern. You could use it to resend keystrokes if it wasn't handled correctly. |
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| 15:13.12 | jelly | and packet duplication sometimes happens on its own due to network issues, without any intentional replay |
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| 15:53.56 | Meerkat | Hamm in Toy story is a pig. I found that hilarious. |
| 15:54.38 | Meerkat | There aren't that many names left from the movies to use, it seems. Is there a plan for when they run out? |
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| 15:54.58 | Guest75145 | Hi all! I installed Debian 9 minimal and in preferences i can't find "software&updates" item. Where i can install this item? |
| 15:55.33 | greycat | This is not sounding minimal to me. |
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| 15:55.58 | greycat | What program is "preferences" inside of? |
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| 15:56.29 | Meerkat | software & updates is in the menu of synaptic AFAIK. |
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| 15:57.20 | jelly | Meerkat: http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Toy_Story_characters I see 5+ pages of 16 characters here. At a rate of one release every two years, there's enough characters for a hundred years or so |
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| 16:01.30 | Meerkat | Guest75145, software-properties-gtk is the name of the package |
| 16:02.33 | greycat | On a "minimal" installation I wouldn't expect synaptic to exist at all. I just use apt-get and apt-cache. |
| 16:02.40 | Guest75145 | <Meerkat>, thank you!! |
| 16:03.05 | Meerkat | jelly, I see. I had a bad source then. It did not list that many characters |
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| 16:10.09 | littlekitty | what vnc tools are there for linux? |
| 16:10.18 | littlekitty | like what are the most common in use? |
| 16:10.41 | jelly | there's a number of vnc clients and vnc servers. What are you after. |
| 16:10.47 | littlekitty | im using a pre installed linux and i have issues with it's vnc server but i have no clue how to config it because i dont even know the name |
| 16:11.08 | jelly | is it a debian installation |
| 16:11.47 | littlekitty | yes |
| 16:11.53 | jelly | might be: vino - VNC server for GNOME |
| 16:11.57 | jelly | ,i vino |
| 16:11.58 | judd | Package vino (gnome, optional) in stretch/amd64: VNC server for GNOME. Version: 3.22.0-1; Size: 403.2k; Installed: 2256k; Homepage: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Vino; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/vino |
| 16:12.21 | littlekitty | No command 'vino' found, did you mean: |
| 16:12.42 | jelly | littlekitty: what does "lsb_release -sc" say? |
| 16:12.58 | littlekitty | xenial |
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| 16:13.29 | jelly | littlekitty: that means you're on Ubuntu 16.04 (codename xenial) or a close derivative of that |
| 16:13.41 | littlekitty | ohhh okay |
| 16:13.45 | littlekitty | I'm sorry |
| 16:14.19 | jelly | since it's different from Debian, the right place to get answers would be #ubuntu (or #ubuntu-server if it's supposed to be a server installation) |
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| 16:14.34 | littlekitty | thanks for your help, jelly |
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| 16:23.32 | jak2000 | service mysql start Failed to start mysql.service: Unit mysql.service failed to load: No such file or directory. |
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| 16:23.51 | jak2000 | how to fix? #mariadb say me: go to #debian channel and ask |
| 16:24.32 | jelly | jak2000: which debian release is this? |
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| 16:25.56 | tripkin | jak2000, what does 'systemctl status mariadb.service' tell you? |
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| 16:26.16 | jak2000 | jesssie |
| 16:26.55 | tripkin | That command will work in jessie, that is what my server is currently running |
| 16:27.16 | jak2000 | https://paste.debian.net/980269/ |
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| 16:27.56 | jak2000 | tripkin see? |
| 16:28.06 | tripkin | Got it |
| 16:28.12 | jmcnaught | jak2000: and if you run 'systemctl daemon-reload' like it's recommending you to? How did you install mysql or mariadb? |
| 16:28.38 | jak2000 | apt-get install mariadb-server |
| 16:28.51 | jak2000 | systemctl daemon-reload |
| 16:28.53 | jak2000 | no messages |
| 16:29.14 | tripkin | First things first, there is an error message at the bottom saying that the init file has changed and you need to do: systemctl daemon-reload |
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| 16:29.24 | jak2000 | https://paste.debian.net/980270/ |
| 16:29.33 | tripkin | It sounds like mariadb is not installed, or at least there is a problem with it. |
| 16:30.09 | jak2000 | https://paste.debian.net/980271/ |
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| 16:30.14 | jak2000 | see last command please |
| 16:30.50 | jak2000 | i have my data backuped in a tar.gz file /var/lib/mysql/* can i remove these directory and reinstall on clean install? |
| 16:30.59 | jmcnaught | jak2000: you are not using the Debian packages, but the ones from mariadb? |
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| 16:32.06 | jmcnaught | jak2000: most of the problems you ask about in here are directly caused by adding third-party software. You should really consider trying to do as much as you can using software in Debian without adding repos and packages |
| 16:32.07 | jak2000 | jmcnaught i followed the instructions on mariadb server... |
| 16:32.21 | jak2000 | yes i understand |
| 16:32.29 | tripkin | jak2000, you also need to follow the directions provided. First of all, run "systemctl daemon-reload" to clean up systemctl, then, as apt tells you, you need to run "apt-get -f install" |
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| 16:32.38 | jak2000 | last problem submin i think was generated this problem |
| 16:32.41 | tripkin | The instructions are clear as provided by your system. |
| 16:33.00 | jmcnaught | ,v mariadb-server |
| 16:33.01 | judd | Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie-security: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.30-0+deb8u1; jessie: 10.0.30-0+deb8u2; stretch: 10.1.23-9+deb9u1; sid: 10.1.24-6; buster: 10.1.24-6; sid: 10.1.25-1; experimental: 10.3.0-0+exp1; experimental: 10.3.0-0+exp2 |
| 16:33.20 | jmcnaught | jak2000: ^^ always check if the software you need is in Debian before adding another repo |
| 16:33.37 | jak2000 | tripkin ye si do see: https://paste.debian.net/980274/ |
| 16:33.55 | jak2000 | jmcnaught understand :( |
| 16:34.23 | jak2000 | i have backuped the directory /var/lib/mysql isnt sufficient? |
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| 16:36.07 | jelly | 10.0 is missing rather useful features, 10.1 in stretch is better but there's no backport |
| 16:36.34 | jmcnaught | jak2000: it's not the preferred way to back up MySQL, it's better to do a mysqldump. Was the database stopped (not running) when you make that backup? |
| 16:37.06 | jak2000 | yes understand too but at this moment is only this way.. |
| 16:37.09 | tripkin | You are definitely trying to install 10.1, which is not in the debian repos. |
| 16:37.22 | jak2000 | where to download? |
| 16:38.01 | tripkin | I had to go maria repo route because of the needed features that jelly referenced, but if you do not follow the correct procedures, you will run into troubles. |
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| 16:38.50 | jelly | I managed to convince coworkers to go with stretch :-) |
| 16:38.59 | tripkin | The folks at #mariadb should be able to help you as long as you specify that you are installing from the mariadb repos. But you will also need to follow their directions - no shortcuts. |
| 16:39.01 | jmcnaught | the correct answer would be to use a stretch system if you need mariadb 10.1 |
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| 16:39.21 | tripkin | Yes, indeed. ^^^ |
| 16:39.56 | jmcnaught | fortunately databases don't need to run on the same system as the programs that use them |
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| 16:40.16 | tripkin | It will ultimately save you a lot of hassle and confusion. |
| 16:42.12 | jak2000 | i am on: https://downloads.mariadb.org/mariadb/repositories/#mirror=coloserv&distro=Debian&distro_release=jessie--jessie&version=10.1 |
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| 16:42.20 | jak2000 | its ok? |
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| 16:44.37 | jak2000 | i followed the steps: https://paste.debian.net/980277/ |
| 16:44.40 | jak2000 | and failed :( |
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| 16:46.33 | jmcnaught | jak2000: did you try removing this mysql-server package? If you provided '/msg dpkg bat' it might be easier to help you troubleshoot |
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| 16:47.04 | jmcnaught | if your apt/dpkg database is already inconsistent or broken some how, you won't be able to install new packages until you fix that |
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| 16:50.38 | jak2000 | jmcnaught |
| 16:50.39 | jak2000 | ok |
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| 16:53.10 | tripkin | Absolutely right. |
| 16:54.37 | TenOfEleven | Today I read on DistroWatch that Debian needs help with testing Debian Live images. How can I volunteer and where can I find the information I need to participate? |
| 16:55.02 | abrotman | jak2000: and when you run "apt-get -f install" ? |
| 16:55.11 | abrotman | TenOfEleven: #debian-live on irc.oftc.net I believe |
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| 16:55.33 | jak2000 | 1) apt-get/apt/aptitude run apt install mariadb-server |
| 16:55.49 | jak2000 | 2) this commadn not understand: apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2 pkg1 wich is? |
| 16:55.50 | TenOfEleven | Oh thank you <abrotman> |
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| 17:06.35 | abrotman | jak2000: no, show us the output of "apt-get -f install" |
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| 17:15.00 | SerajewelKS | i can't get the 9.1.0-amd64 netinst ISO to boot in virtualbox. the stretch RC3 ISO boots fine. :/ |
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| 17:16.03 | towo` | "i can't" is saying zero |
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| 17:17.17 | SerajewelKS | the system does not see the image as bootable |
| 17:17.26 | SerajewelKS | i'm not sure how much more i can say |
| 17:17.42 | towo` | then propably the image is corrupt |
| 17:17.52 | abrotman | they have md5sums on the ISO servers |
| 17:18.00 | towo` | here it starts without any problem in vbox |
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| 17:19.14 | SerajewelKS | curl https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/arm64/iso-cd/MD5SUMS | md5sum -c --> debian-9.1.0-arm64-netinst.iso: OK |
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| 17:19.36 | SerajewelKS | wow i'm a potato |
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| 17:19.46 | SerajewelKS | pretend you didn't see any of this |
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| 17:20.32 | SerajewelKS | i was wondering why there were so few seeds |
| 17:20.44 | towo` | arn64? |
| 17:20.52 | towo` | will never start in vbox |
| 17:20.54 | SerajewelKS | yeah, i mis-clicked the wrong arch |
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| 17:31.35 | hexhaxtron | What should I do with this? |
| 17:31.36 | hexhaxtron | https://paste.debian.net/980285/ |
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| 17:32.30 | ac_slater | hey guys, is it possible to get gcc-5 via official repos for sid? |
| 17:33.10 | ac_slater | sorry, stretch * |
| 17:33.23 | greycat | Highly unlikely, since jessie had 4.9.2 and stretch h as 6.3.0 |
| 17:33.37 | ac_slater | greycat: yea, I need gcc-5.... I guess I'll build it |
| 17:37.17 | Brigo | ac_slater, it looks like there is a gcc-5 package in sid |
| 17:38.14 | ac_slater | Brigo: I meant Stretch :( |
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| 17:38.25 | ac_slater | greycat: does that change your answer at all? |
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| 17:38.43 | greycat | ,v gcc-5 |
| 17:38.44 | judd | Package: gcc-5 on amd64 -- sid: 5.4.1-11 |
| 17:38.50 | greycat | ,checkbackport gcc-5 |
| 17:38.51 | ssarah_ | hi, i have a debian squeeze machine |
| 17:38.55 | judd | Backporting package gcc-5 in sidâstretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: gnat-5:native [!m32r !sh3 !sh3eb !sh4eb !powerpcspe !mips64 !x32], g++-5:native, g++-5-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gobjc-5-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gfortran-5-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gcj-5-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gdc-5-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gccgo-5-x86-64 |
| 17:38.56 | judd | -linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gnat-5-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>. |
| 17:39.04 | ssarah_ | can i still activate squeeze-backports for it? |
| 17:39.08 | greycat | ac_slater: does not look promising. |
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| 17:39.12 | ac_slater | greycat: very cool bot. Thanks man |
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| 17:39.15 | ssarah_ | im trying to google how couldnt find it |
| 17:39.47 | greycat | !squeeze backports |
| 17:39.47 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the "Wheezy" (7.x) release of Debian but recompiled for use with "Squeeze" (6.0) can be found in the "squeeze-backports" repository. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian-backports/ squeeze-backports main». squeeze-backports will continue to be supported for the lifetime of <squeeze-lts>. Also ask me about <bdo>. |
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| 17:40.48 | ssarah_ | httpredir ? |
| 17:40.54 | ssarah_ | i thought it would be deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports mai |
| 17:40.58 | ssarah_ | *main |
| 17:41.53 | greycat | Dunno. It also says it's only supported for the lifetime of squeeze-lts, which is no longer alive. |
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| 17:42.31 | ssarah_ | http://archive.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports/ <- well, i think this one is alive |
| 17:42.32 | ssarah_ | gona try it |
| 17:42.38 | ssarah_ | "alive" |
| 17:42.45 | ssarah_ | ty :) |
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| 17:43.12 | jmcnaught | ssarah_: but why though? if you need newer software on your obsolete version of Debian, the common sense approach is upgrade to newer, supported release |
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| 17:43.29 | jelly | yeah, that factoid needs fixing |
| 17:43.35 | jelly | all things squeeze are archived now |
| 17:43.35 | ssarah_ | yeh, it's a big company, they dont allow me to upgrade machines, just trying to see if i can work around it before askig for an upgrade |
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| 18:38.03 | Putti | Hi, I'm using the following settings for 3g usb modem (configured with nmcli): <http://paste.debian.net/plain/980292>. I would like to get IPv6 address so I set the ipv6.method = auto. This however didn't work and so I have now only IPv4 address. sudo dhclient -6 ppp0 doesn't work either, it just gives "no link-local IPv6 address for ppp0". |
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| 18:38.12 | Putti | The modem supports IPv6 and also the ISP |
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| 18:41.25 | jmcnaught | Putti: does the ISP support IPv6? |
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| 18:51.58 | jhutchin1_wk | Putti: Just a guess, what about setting ipv6.method to dhcp? |
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| 19:22.38 | Akuw | is possible to have diferent startup file for same card |
| 19:22.42 | Akuw | network card |
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| 19:24.46 | jmcnaught | Akuw: what do you mean? what are you trying to do? |
| 19:25.19 | Akuw | i need static ip, but sometimes to update i need dhcp |
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| 19:26.01 | greycat | That really did not clear anything up, at least for me. |
| 19:26.39 | Akuw | ok, i need most of time static ip, like 10.0.0.140 |
| 19:26.49 | Akuw | but to update i need dhcp |
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| 19:26.58 | greycat | To update what? |
| 19:27.04 | Akuw | to get file from web |
| 19:27.08 | greycat | ... |
| 19:27.12 | Akuw | to install something, etc |
| 19:27.19 | greycat | So 10.0.0.140 is an internal network not connected to the Internet? |
| 19:27.25 | Akuw | yes |
| 19:27.45 | greycat | And this computer moves physically between networks, either by being a laptop, or by you switching the cables? |
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| 19:30.36 | Akuw | no |
| 19:30.41 | Akuw | is a virtual machine |
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| 19:41.19 | Putti | jhutchin1_wk: I tried that but then "nmcli connection up" gives "Error: Connection activation failed." I don't know how to get the error description more verbose. |
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| 19:55.24 | chris__ | good evening. |
| 19:55.30 | chris__ | i want to open a file i select in dolphin in a specific app via shortcut, but i don't know how to get the filename as an argument. is this possible? |
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| 19:58.40 | well_laid_lawn | someone in #kde might know |
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| 20:01.24 | OS-30434 | hello |
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| 20:09.00 | chris__ | thank you |
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| 21:41.46 | ynos | Hello. Im trying to get openRCT2 under stretch. However, it requires libpng12, wich i understand is not available under stretch. Any workarounds? |
| 21:42.17 | jhutchin1_wk | ,v libpng12 |
| 21:42.18 | judd | No package named 'libpng12' was found in amd64. |
| 21:42.33 | jhutchin1_wk | ,v libpngl2 |
| 21:42.34 | judd | No package named 'libpngl2' was found in amd64. |
| 21:42.46 | apollo13 | ,v libpng16 |
| 21:42.47 | judd | No package named 'libpng16' was found in amd64. |
| 21:42.56 | apollo13 | ah it is libpng16-16 |
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| 21:43.11 | apollo13 | ynos: if that is all that is missing I'd probably manually compile it |
| 21:43.17 | jhutchin1_wk | ,v libpng12-0 |
| 21:43.18 | judd | Package: libpng12-0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; jessie-security: 1.2.50-2+deb8u2; jessie: 1.2.50-2+deb8u3 |
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| 21:44.34 | jmcnaught | installing the jessie package is probably better than manually compiling |
| 21:45.47 | ynos | Im completely new to debian, coming from 15 years of gentoo, i have no idea how to get packages from different versions, hehe |
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| 21:47.25 | jhutchin1_wk | ynos: Generally we recommend mixing releases, with a few exceptions. |
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| 21:48.10 | jmcnaught | ynos: ^^ they mean we recommend not mixing releases⦠|
| 21:48.31 | ynos | jmcnaught: haha actually, i did suspect that :) |
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| 21:48.47 | jmcnaught | however it's not as bad to add repos/packages for a release _older_ than the one you are using. Adding repos/packages for a release _newer_ than yours is bad news |
| 21:49.26 | ynos | i see, is it possible via the package manager? |
| 21:49.34 | jhutchin1_wk | jmcnaught: Gah, thanks. |
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| 21:50.03 | jhutchin1_wk | ynos: For a single package you might just download it. |
| 21:50.56 | ynos | alright, so compile it "manually" then? |
| 21:52.16 | jmcnaught | ynos: you can download the single package from here and use "dpkg -i packagename.deb" to install it: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libpng12-0 *or* you can add jessie to your sources.list and install the package with apt |
| 21:52.24 | jmcnaught | !jessie sources.list |
| 21:52.24 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 21:52.31 | jhutchin1_wk | ynos: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libpng12-0 |
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| 21:53.55 | n4dir | in general, not this case, you don't simply compile, but create a deb package, which is known as "backport it". Or: that is what is recommended. |
| 21:54.10 | jhutchin1_wk | ynos: Sorry, https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libpng12-0 |
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| 21:58.27 | ynos | Thanks guys! Got that out of the way, however, now its complaining about libcrypto 1.0.0 instead |
| 21:58.44 | ynos | guess their build is hopelessly old or something.. |
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| 23:41.22 | POJO | hello, apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree gives 404 when wget requesting an old flash player archive url |
| 23:41.34 | POJO | it goes for ver 24 which is 404 instead of 26 |
| 23:41.41 | POJO | what can I do? |
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