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| 00:03.44 | abrotman | _sfiguser: that's completely dependent upon the usage scenario |
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| 00:05.29 | e2 | for Tor |
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| 00:06.35 | xar- | any apt experts around, i've got nearly 200 packages held back, curious what exploded, I can't seem to get them all installed for the life of me |
| 00:07.42 | abrotman | xar-: using which version of Debian? |
| 00:08.05 | xar- | wtf, it's on 9 |
| 00:08.24 | abrotman | xar-: can you pastebin your sources.list ? |
| 00:08.35 | xar- | how did it get on 9, that wasn't supposed to happen |
| 00:08.40 | xar- | sure |
| 00:08.43 | abrotman | oh, I guess you found your answer :) |
| 00:08.52 | xar- | not cool |
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| 00:09.39 | xar- | why was it not locked to the 8 branch |
| 00:12.55 | xar- | someone educate me, how/why did this happen |
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| 00:15.13 | xar- | I changed everything from jessie to stretch in sources.list, still 185 packages held back |
| 00:16.21 | xar- | yup, it's thoroughly broken |
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| 01:49.30 | xar- | fresh install of stretch after the dist-upgrade trashed my environment: "no kernel modules were found" |
| 01:49.39 | xar- | suggestions? |
| 01:50.00 | dvs | did you reboot? |
| 01:50.02 | xar- | using the net installer flashed to a usb stick |
| 01:50.26 | xar- | I rebooted to load the usb, yup |
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| 02:10.14 | simbalion | Hi, I'm using mail-notifier in Debian 9 and it can't seem to play audio files .wav or otherwise, it's got a play button and when I click it nothing happens, I assuming I'm missing a package, does anyone know what it might be? |
| 02:12.00 | simbalion | nvm thunderbird can do it thats good enough |
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| 02:30.07 | Schwarzbaer | Do I see correctly that there's no emoji font package for jessie in main or non-free? |
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| 02:33.32 | jmcnaught | ,v fonts-symbola |
| 02:33.33 | judd | Package: fonts-symbola on amd64 -- buster: 2.59-1; sid: 2.59-1; stretch: 2.59-1 |
| 02:33.49 | jmcnaught | Schwarzbaer: I don't remember one being available on jessie |
| 02:33.58 | jmcnaught | stretch is pretty great though ⺠|
| 02:34.37 | Schwarzbaer | jmcnaught, That's testing, right? |
| 02:34.42 | dvs | nope |
| 02:34.48 | Schwarzbaer | Unstable? |
| 02:34.53 | dvs | no again |
| 02:35.05 | Schwarzbaer | Right, that'd be sid... Last stable? |
| 02:35.25 | dvs | Schwarzbaer, jessie is last stable, stretch is current stable |
| 02:35.33 | Schwarzbaer | OH FOR... |
| 02:35.43 | Schwarzbaer | Guess I should update. |
| 02:35.48 | dvs | yup |
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| 02:36.33 | Schwarzbaer | Well then... Is there an emoji font in stretch? |
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| 02:36.55 | jmcnaught | Schwarzbaer: yeah that fonts-symbola package I asked judd about above |
| 02:37.49 | Schwarzbaer | How do you enter them; ibus? |
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| 02:40.03 | moony | is there any documentation or information on how to get a package added to the main debian repository? |
| 02:40.34 | moony | you know, http://deb.debian.org/debian/ |
| 02:41.39 | jmcnaught | Schwarzbaer: I think there are a variety of ways to input them, including Ctrl+Shift+U<hex> for entering unicode characters. |
| 02:41.46 | jmcnaught | !rfp |
| 02:41.46 | dpkg | Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. The best way of getting software packaged is to do it yourself: ask me about <nmg>. |
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| 02:42.38 | oniMaker | should `runsvdir -P /etc/service` always be running? |
| 02:42.41 | moony | !nmg |
| 02:42.42 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 02:42.49 | Schwarzbaer | jmcnaught, memorizing hex codes is pretty much the opposite of what I'd like to do. |
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| 02:43.35 | jmcnaught | Schwarzbaer: there's probably a better way. I'm too old to use emojis, but I have the font installed so I can see more than a square when the young ones are typing |
| 02:43.39 | Dungeon | hey guys? can someone help me fix an issue im having with apt-get? and certbot |
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| 02:44.34 | Schwarzbaer | jmcnaught, I can appreciate the sentiment, but despite being close to completing my fourth decade, I'd like to stay up to date, no matter how hard that is at times. |
| 02:44.34 | Dungeon | been trying to put clam on my box and cant until the issue is resolved |
| 02:44.47 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: if it's on Debian you can ask here, someone might be able to help |
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| 02:45.40 | Dungeon | when i try to apt-get -f install |
| 02:45.48 | jmcnaught | Schwarzbaer: I don't know if they qualify as emoji but I use the compose key to make ⺠and ⥠|
| 02:45.52 | Dungeon | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 02:45.52 | Dungeon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.52 | Dungeon | Suggested packages: |
| 02:45.52 | Dungeon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.11 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: please use http://paste.debian.net/ don't paste directly into the channel |
| 02:46.35 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell Dungeon about basic apt troubleshooting |
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| 02:47.03 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: dpkg (a bot) just messaged you about troubleshooting information to provide |
| 02:49.02 | Dungeon | lets see after i hit send this is the link in my browser http://paste.debian.net/980338/ |
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| 02:52.11 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: can you fill us in on what happend before this? |
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| 02:55.09 | jmcnaught | did you do something with certbot.timer for instance? |
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| 03:01.23 | registeredgirl | A Jewish-supremacist criminal network prints the money and runs all our governments. They have monopolized all our media, all our history. They have deceived us in every way; lied to us about everything imaginable. This criminal network has been expelled over 350 times through history. They never --- ever --- quit. |
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| 03:01.35 | registeredgirl | Enemies of humanity |
| 03:01.41 | registeredgirl | Humanity. |
| 03:01.46 | Henry151 | what's a nice command to tell me what speed my processor is? |
| 03:01.49 | registeredgirl | They goyim know too much. |
| 03:02.15 | Henry151 | and what the heck is going on in here |
| 03:02.24 | jmcnaught | !ops in here now |
| 03:02.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: in here now |
| 03:02.41 | registeredgirl | Shut it down. Censor the truth. |
| 03:02.45 | registeredgirl | The goyim know too much. |
| 03:03.02 | jmcnaught | Henry151: ignore the troll. I usually look at /proc/cpuinfo, or do you mean what speed it's currently running at? |
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| 03:03.41 | Henry151 | jmcnaught: proc/cpuinfo is perfect, thanks |
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| 03:04.35 | Henry151 | weeeee! I'm so fast!!! XD |
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| 03:11.17 | Dungeon | i worked with linode to setup certbot then when it messed up my aptitude they say its beyond their scope of helping. im not sure whats causing it but could be. i know my certs are outdated on my server right now so maybe? |
| 03:13.01 | Dungeon | and sorry for the delay in response had to go afk a sec and pick someone up without a ride from work |
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| 03:24.09 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: was /lib/systemd/system/certbot.timer deleted at some point for some reason? |
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| 03:27.40 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: I've got certbot 0.10.2-1~bpo8+1 working on one of my systems. The error message in your paste from earlier is complaining that certbot.timer cannot be found. The certbot package includes that file, and it's belongs in /lib/systemd/system/certbot.timer. If you deleted it from there, that could cause this problem |
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| 03:56.07 | xar- | No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive. |
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| 03:57.53 | Dungeon | well i myself didnt delete it |
| 03:58.41 | Dungeon | was trying to find the command they told me to use from linode. it looked promising but didnt work either |
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| 04:01.35 | Dungeon | ah yes here we go got the pack file and error pasted in there. http://paste.debian.net/980340/ |
| 04:02.39 | Dungeon | what led me to the error was they claimed i may of had a malicous website on it and have been trying to get clamav installed. however install it with that error about certbot showing. |
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| 04:13.14 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: http://paste.debian.net/980340/ is what happened earlier, and http://paste.debian.net/980338/ is what's happening now? |
| 04:13.17 | jmcnaught | !bat |
| 04:13.17 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 04:13.29 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: can you please provide this ^^ information |
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| 04:17.21 | Dungeon | they are both happening now and lets see what comes up. the first paste thing was the result of using the -f command that the second senario asked me to use. that is what linode was saying may resolve the issue. now reading what the bot said to see what else i can give |
| 04:18.43 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: parts 2 and 3 are what's missing so far |
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| 04:19.04 | Dungeon | so use apt-cache policy certbot? |
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| 04:19.41 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: include in that command any packages mentioned in the errors you have gotten |
| 04:19.54 | jmcnaught | and then also "apt-cache policy" without any packages listed |
| 04:19.59 | cr1t1cal | what are the advantages of debian over gentoo? other than simplicity obviously |
| 04:20.49 | jmcnaught | !why debian |
| 04:20.49 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 04:21.39 | cr1t1cal | jmcnaught: not very specific to my question but thanks |
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| 04:22.56 | jmcnaught | cr1t1cal: you already finished reading all of those links? :P this is primarily a support channel, discussions comparing distros would be better in a channel like ##linux |
| 04:23.49 | cr1t1cal | lol |
| 04:23.59 | Dungeon | http://paste.debian.net/980341/ |
| 04:24.14 | Dungeon | that is policy then policy certbot |
| 04:25.02 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: your earlier pastes mentioned python-certbot-apache and python-certbot, need apt-cache policy of those too |
| 04:25.19 | Dungeon | ok doke |
| 04:25.57 | hiya | is there a way to get latest firefox for Debian stretch? |
| 04:27.12 | xar- | "stable" not tonight it's not, not tonight |
| 04:27.45 | jmcnaught | hiya: There is no supported way |
| 04:28.57 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell xar- about ask |
| 04:29.09 | Dungeon | http://paste.debian.net/980342/ |
| 04:29.20 | Dungeon | theres policy for those 2 packages |
| 04:29.55 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: thanks. you can do more than one package in a single command by the way. what does "apt upgrade" do? |
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| 04:30.01 | xar- | my question, what do I do about the error I pasted 35 minutes ago |
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| 04:30.46 | jmcnaught | xar-: provide some context |
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| 04:33.16 | xar- | 3 hrs ago: 01:49:59 < xar-> fresh install of stretch after the dist-upgrade trashed my environment: "no kernel modules were found" |
| 04:33.24 | xar- | it's been a fun evening for me sigh |
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| 04:34.16 | xar- | more context uhhh it's during the install setup, right after I select a keyboard, it won't let me install, I'm stuck in between a trashed jessie upgrade and stretch, purgatory |
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| 04:36.00 | jmcnaught | which .iso image are you using? what are you booting it from? how (exactly) did you copy it to USB/CD-R? |
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| 04:37.01 | xar- | i've tried a plethora of live cd images, netinstallers, im trying some random mini.iso now |
| 04:37.23 | xar- | im using a usb stick, this process worked fine last year for jessie |
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| 04:37.42 | jmcnaught | how did you copy the images to the stick? |
| 04:37.51 | xar- | rufus |
| 04:37.59 | jmcnaught | that's probably the problem |
| 04:38.02 | jmcnaught | !rufus |
| 04:38.02 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 04:38.21 | xar- | well #$@$ me |
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| 04:39.06 | jmcnaught | xar-: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en how to copy it properly is in the install manual. It's highly recommended to read the install manual before installing, 30 minutes of reading can save hours of frustration |
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| 04:40.11 | jim | says the driver is radeon for your video card |
| 04:40.16 | xar- | lovely, well in the words of Linus, rufus is on my shitlist now |
| 04:40.23 | jim | (or the proprietary fglrx) |
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| 04:41.18 | jim | dang how did I get here... sorry |
| 04:41.20 | xar- | what must I do to ensure that the OS never does an upgrade to a new branch ever again (like what happened tonight) |
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| 04:42.03 | xar- | I wanted to stay locked against the 8.x branch and screwed over during what was supposed to be a mundane upgrade operation |
| 04:42.07 | jmcnaught | xar-: always use the codenames in sources.list, jessie or stretch, not 'stable'. If you use 'stable', when a new release becomes stable you get upgraded to it |
| 04:43.10 | xar- | alright, another hard lesson learned, thank you |
| 04:43.56 | jmcnaught | xar-: when you are ready to do a release upgrade, always read the release notes first to see what's new, known issues, and the official upgrade instructions |
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| 04:47.02 | xar- | thanks, yea I simply didn't think I was making the jump from jessie to stretch when I ran the command, I just wanted to update a few packages... |
| 04:47.46 | jmcnaught | yeah surprises suck, that's one reason I use stable |
| 04:49.03 | Dungeon | upgrade spits that dep issue but apt-get update works. i will paste the error i get on it also |
| 04:51.26 | Dungeon | http://paste.debian.net/980346/ |
| 04:51.47 | Dungeon | then if you use the -f command that is the first paste i gave you guys |
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| 04:56.18 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: to summarize, you have python-certbot-apache and python-certbot installed at version 0.10.2-1~bpo8+1, but certbot is 0.9.3-1~bpo8+2, and when you run "apt-get -f install" it complains about missing certbot.timer. Can you run "systemctl status certbot.timer" and "systemctl status certbot.service" and "ls -l /lib/systemd/system/certbot*"? |
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| 05:01.53 | Dungeon | here we go.... http://paste.debian.net/980347/ |
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| 05:12.46 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: somehow those files are missing, they belong to the certbot package. Here are replacements you can put in /etc/systemd/system/ for now. Note the two file names # certbot.timer and .service, they are two separate files |
| 05:12.52 | jmcnaught | http://paste.debian.net/980352/ |
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| 05:19.47 | Dungeon | im not understanding |
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| 05:20.09 | Dungeon | :( |
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| 05:20.33 | jak2000 | hi jmcnaught! |
| 05:20.42 | jak2000 | tripkin saved my day |
| 05:20.47 | Dungeon | i wonder how the files are missing. should i try to purge one of them or something? |
| 05:21.04 | jmcnaught | certbot package comes with certbot.service and certbot.timer, and puts them in /lib/systemd/system. Those files are missing on your system for some reason. My paste has the contents of both of those files. I suggest putting them in /etc/systemd/system/ for now. |
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| 05:23.26 | Dungeon | ok so use pico and paste in the contents for each minus the # lines for both files in the folder and write them out with those names hold on lemme do both |
| 05:24.55 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: yes. I'm saying to put them in /etc/systemd/system instead of /lib⦠because /etc is for sysadmins, /lib is for packages. Once the package manager restores those files, you can remove the ones you created from /etc/syste⦠|
| 05:26.19 | atralheaven_ | Hi, I want to install debian from the netinstall iso, but it seems that I don't have the wifi driver, how can I setup wifi for installing debian? thanks |
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| 05:27.21 | Dungeon | ok if i do an ls i see both files in there now |
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| 05:27.55 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: try "apt-get -f install" again and make a new paste of the output |
| 05:28.12 | Dungeon | alrighty and thanks for helping man :) |
| 05:28.20 | atralheaven_ | if I install this package "https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-iwlwifi" I would have my wifi? can I install it during the installation process? |
| 05:28.27 | Dungeon | this certbot things been driving me crazy :) |
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| 05:28.36 | jmcnaught | atralheaven_: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en explains how to deal with missing firmwares during installation |
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| 05:31.06 | Dungeon | http://paste.debian.net/980353/ |
| 05:33.10 | atralheaven_ | jmcnaught: so with this "http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/stretch/current/" extracted to another usb drive I can use the installer to search and install the driver, right? |
| 05:33.19 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: ahh, you need to run "systemctl daemon-reload" then take a look at "systemctl status certbot.timer" again before running "apt-get -f install" again |
| 05:34.00 | Dungeon | alright fetching info |
| 05:34.08 | jmcnaught | atralheaven_: correct, that page also links to a non-free netinst image |
| 05:34.23 | Dungeon | the first command it took without echoing anything |
| 05:34.33 | jmcnaught | that's good |
| 05:35.08 | atralheaven_ | I will try the original installer with this file, I hope it works, if it didn't I will go for the unofficial installer. thanks! |
| 05:35.45 | Dungeon | is 3 lines much to paste? |
| 05:36.41 | jmcnaught | two is the max |
| 05:37.01 | Dungeon | â certbot.timer - Run certbot twice daily |
| 05:37.01 | Dungeon | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.55 | jmcnaught | try 'apt-get -f install' again, we've fixed what it was complaining about |
| 05:37.58 | Dungeon | the the last is just that its active "Active: active (running) since Mon 2017-08-07 22:32:37 PDT; 5min ago" now the renew command if i can find it would work? and do i need -f? |
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| 05:38.54 | Dungeon | or does that mean my cert should be updated? guess check the ssl login? |
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| 05:39.12 | Dungeon | getting you the -f now |
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| 05:39.44 | Dungeon | its taking a moment |
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| 05:42.51 | Dungeon | http://paste.debian.net/980354/ |
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| 05:47.42 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: well we seem to have resolved the certbot issue at least. Before we continue, can you run 'cat /lib/systemd/system/certbot*' to verify they exist (no need to paste this). If the files are there now, you can remove the ones you created in /etc/systemd/system/ |
| 05:49.28 | Dungeon | ya it echod a response so rm -rf bothfiles.imade? |
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| 05:50.57 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: don't need -rf |
| 05:52.09 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: -r is recursive, meaning delete this directory and all subdirectories and all their files. -f is force. Only use force if necessary, such as you get an error the first time |
| 05:52.10 | Dungeon | bet you dont know the command to have it try and update the cert real quick right off hand do ya? |
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| 05:52.22 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: certbot renew |
| 05:52.24 | Dungeon | aye thanks |
| 05:52.29 | Dungeon | ill try that 2 |
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| 05:52.59 | Dungeon | certbot.service & certbot.timer was what you had me create ya? |
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| 05:54.37 | jmcnaught | yeah |
| 05:55.20 | jmcnaught | and run "systemctl daemon-reload" again after they are removed, then verify them with "systemctl status certbot.timer" (no need to paste if it looks okay) |
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| 05:59.28 | Dungeon | Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/certbot.timer; enabled) i believe is the line youre talking about? :) |
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| 06:00.34 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: good, so the certbot package restored the missing files. It looks like you have problems with your mysql packages now though |
| 06:00.43 | Dungeon | when i run the command certbot renew it says cert is not due for renawl |
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| 06:01.33 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: you'll want to look at 'systemctl status mysql' and 'journalctl -u mysql' to see what is going on there |
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| 06:02.52 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: is that correct, certificates don't need renewal? did they renew already today after certbot.timer was fixed? Reload or restart whatever service is using the certificates and check the dates |
| 06:02.57 | darksky2899 | hellp |
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| 06:03.01 | darksky2899 | hello |
| 06:03.45 | Dungeon | linode should put you on payroll ;) just saying |
| 06:03.47 | Dungeon | lol |
| 06:03.53 | darksky2899 | what |
| 06:04.19 | darksky2899 | im actully typing from windows 98 which is pretty cool |
| 06:04.27 | Dungeon | talking to jmcnaught :) |
| 06:04.35 | darksky2899 | ohh ok lol |
| 06:04.44 | jmcnaught | darksky2899: do you need help with Debian? |
| 06:05.07 | darksky2899 | well i actully joind tody what do you rlly do here |
| 06:05.18 | darksky2899 | today* |
| 06:06.46 | Dungeon | i wonder if my crashing the ngix process would effect the mysqp |
| 06:06.59 | juststrollingin | Dungeon mysql? |
| 06:07.08 | Dungeon | ya ;) |
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| 06:07.32 | darksky2899 | what is mysql and ngix pls don get mad i just want to fit in |
| 06:07.34 | juststrollingin | Dungeon I wouldn't worry about it. |
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| 06:07.43 | darksky2899 | ok |
| 06:08.07 | juststrollingin | darksky2899 mysql is a database and nginx is a/the webserver |
| 06:08.19 | darksky2899 | oh ok makes sense |
| 06:08.23 | Dungeon | well i use apache on my server |
| 06:08.35 | jmcnaught | darksky2899: this is a support channel for Debian. If you want to chat please find a different channel on google. If you want to learn you are welcome to watch silently. |
| 06:08.39 | juststrollingin | Dungeon why do you ask about nginx then? |
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| 06:09.06 | Dungeon | lol long story and root of the problem that has me asking |
| 06:09.11 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: "systemctl reload apache2" should be enough for it to start using the new certificates |
| 06:09.12 | Gekko | How would I debug a 3G USB stick modem that disconnects after 90.4 or 90.5 minutes of connectivity? The syslog simply displays "LCP terminated by peer" from pppd. I'm trying to make this SOC device stay connected to the internet at all times, and it's a bit annoying to write a script that keeps resetting the 3G stick every time it goes out. We wondered if this was a power issue since it's a SOC |
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| 06:09.18 | Gekko | device with limited power, but we installed this capacitor circuitry between the 3G stick and the board and saw no difference |
| 06:09.19 | Dungeon | ok |
| 06:09.28 | Dungeon | lemme paste both those commands up |
| 06:10.02 | Dungeon | need to ask more questions but its getting so late but trying to resolve an abuse ticket i was sent on the server |
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| 06:13.27 | simbalion | Whats the best choice for Wayland WMs in Stretch? Gnome? |
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| 06:14.52 | jmcnaught | simbalion: probably. KDE might also support it. |
| 06:15.02 | simbalion | I'm looking for lightweight tho |
| 06:15.05 | Dungeon | http://paste.debian.net/980356/ |
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| 06:16.45 | Dungeon | oh you the man :) certs are updating and its showing secure connection on https://domain.com |
| 06:17.18 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: well that's good, but it looks like your system is pretty messed up otherwise. I hope you have backups. |
| 06:17.57 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: also if the system was compromised really the only sane and responsible thing to do is take it offline and do a fresh install with data restored from most recent backup |
| 06:18.03 | Dungeon | i sure dont have and the first report that something happened was like 8-9 days ago |
| 06:18.25 | Dungeon | its a game server |
| 06:19.21 | Dungeon | i think the way i had it setup port 8080 was a way to login to the server and upload a database? |
| 06:19.51 | Dungeon | is how it was setup with the lamp server traditionally but i never used any cms's yet. i hadnt got that far yet. only been 4 months |
| 06:20.56 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: do you know why mysql was installed in the first place, or have any idea what's been removing files from your system? |
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| 06:21.55 | rozie | Gekko: do you use wvdial? |
| 06:21.56 | Dungeon | mysql is what these content management system (cms) webpages uses so that is why it wouldve been there |
| 06:23.08 | Dungeon | i had done a walkthrough on a lamp server setup i believe a debian guide after my roommate rented the linode and put webmin on it so i could get the dns working and did the certbot thing |
| 06:23.42 | Dungeon | then hadnt messed with it for a couple months after losing my dad and been working on game dev when i can |
| 06:23.48 | Dungeon | just havent done the page |
| 06:24.37 | Dungeon | matter fact its a default <html> Gamename Webpage hahaha |
| 06:25.00 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: Sorry to hear about your loss. I meant more was it you that installed the CMS or mysql, or did they appear mysteriously? If you don't have a backup but it's possible the system was compromised, linode might be able to help you retrieve files from the VPS while it is offline |
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| 06:26.06 | Gekko | rozie: I've tried using: wicd, network manager, wvdial, self-made scripts, etc... ultimately it all goes down to pppd handling the communications and it reporting the failure |
| 06:26.50 | Gekko | Seemingly after 90.4 or more minutes later (I've observed up to about 105 minutes) the 3G stick shuts down the connection and the stick is reseted automatically using usb_modeswitchj |
| 06:27.07 | Dungeon | my roommate had rolled back a months worth of work and he enabled the backup but dont know how long back that was |
| 06:27.17 | Gekko | After one night of testing I'm up to /dev/ttyUSB60 |
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| 06:27.37 | Dungeon | last time i tried to fix an issue doing that i had to roll the shard back :/ |
| 06:28.45 | Dungeon | i should try to setup a firewall on it while my ssl is working with webmin |
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| 06:29.02 | Dungeon | to at least firewall about 6 ips so i could watch my auth log reliably |
| 06:29.06 | Dungeon | or something :/ |
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| 06:30.08 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: it's important to understand that once a system has been compromised it's impossible to trust it again, to know if you've completely cleaned out all of the malware. Also I recommend for the medium-long term to prepare for not using webmin or any other panel software |
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| 06:31.02 | rozie | Gekko: http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-diagnosis.phtml#lcp_term_authentication |
| 06:31.26 | rozie | plus, I recommend using wvdial - it has auto renew option by default |
| 06:32.24 | rozie | it also may be some idle connection detector, but my GSM modem stays online with the same IP since I have autossh session established |
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| 06:32.53 | XeonSquared | So uh, did the /etc/network/interfaces syntax change or something? |
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| 06:33.42 | XeonSquared | ah it needs to use weirder interface names |
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| 06:34.51 | jmcnaught | XeonSquared: you may want to read the release notes for other things that are different |
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| 06:36.56 | Dungeon | ya and i try to do quite a bit of things straight command line but think it was dns i had to use it for. theres a couple other things it helps with sometimes but i believe is all ive used it for on this one |
| 06:37.07 | Gekko | I initially had a self-made systemd unit file that launched a bash script to restart wvdial every time network went out, but I couldn't figure out why the systemd launched script didn't start wvdial while executing the script worked. Right now the connection is launched by nmctl con up in a bash script, rozie. I'll take a look at the debug option for ppd |
| 06:37.43 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: panels like that make me nervous because it's something accessible by the web that has root privileges |
| 06:38.38 | Dungeon | the bad thing with the server and backup is the server hadnt updated its certs for a long time. if something happened to it then that broke the certs, then the backup wasnt enabled at that point and time :/ |
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| 06:39.17 | simbalion | Hrm I tried logging out and changing lightdm via the menu option to "Gnome on Wayland" but after logging in it brings me back to the greeter screen. Both xwayland and gnome are installed... anyone have any idea what I might be missing, or how to figure it out? I looked at the lightdm log and I didn't see anything obvious |
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| 06:39.47 | jmcnaught | simbalion: does lightdm support wayland? you might need to use gdm |
| 06:39.49 | Dungeon | i know what im trying to get working most cases but have an issue with some things without help :/ |
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| 06:40.06 | simbalion | jmcnaught: ah, I don't know how to switch those |
| 06:40.18 | Dungeon | i actually did the majority in command line on this one. its disappointing to think somehting has happened to it :/ |
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| 06:41.17 | Dungeon | jmc i bet you firewall your stuff pretty good 2 huh? |
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| 06:42.19 | bolt | how does one firewall something good? |
| 06:42.34 | Dungeon | enable it? :) |
| 06:43.00 | bolt | right |
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| 06:43.29 | jmcnaught | simbalion: if gdm3 pacakge is installed try "dpkg-reconfigure gdm3" |
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| 06:43.48 | simbalion | jmcnaught: Thanks! |
| 06:44.11 | Dungeon | wish i was as good as a couple guys that used to run shell servers i rented from back in the day. they never ran firewalls. a couple ran partials. |
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| 06:44.21 | Dungeon | but used to leave port ranges open |
| 06:45.12 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: you'll learn, just keep reading those man pages |
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| 06:45.32 | Dungeon | lol done loads of that in the past |
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| 06:46.22 | Dungeon | just like the rf switches i remembered after you said it but ;) |
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| 06:47.46 | shtrb | Does anyone have an idea how to get to the debconf recordings ? (2017) |
| 06:47.59 | shtrb | *lecture recordings |
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| 06:50.36 | hexhaxtron | Can someone help me with ejabberd? I wanted it to use PAM. |
| 06:50.43 | Dungeon | well im fixing to crash. need to try to communicate with state farm and a state rep tom. they closed my ticket at linode since i dont have a malicious page on it but i gotta do something asap with it :/ hope to talk to you in the future |
| 06:51.01 | Dungeon | thanks again |
| 06:51.15 | jmcnaught | Dungeon: good night ⺠|
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| 07:04.58 | dsc_ | if I press a key on my keyboard, how can I see what I pressed in the terminal? |
| 07:05.01 | dsc_ | the code |
| 07:05.06 | dsc_ | keycode* |
| 07:05.58 | simbalion | jmcnaught: Seems like GDM3 doesn't support wayland. Gnome on Wayland wasn't an option at all. At least in LightDM it is listed as an option |
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| 07:06.28 | jmcnaught | simbalion: that's strange because i've use gnome on wayland from gdm3 quite a bit |
| 07:07.08 | simbalion | jmcnaught: I'm not denying it is strange, but the only options listed were Gnome, Gnome Classic, and XFCE |
| 07:07.20 | shtrb | dsc_ , xev ? |
| 07:08.42 | dsc_ | shtrb: thx :) |
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| 07:09.56 | jmcnaught | simbalion: does /usr/share/wayland-sessions/gnome-wayland.desktop exist? |
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| 07:12.13 | jmcnaught | simbalion: gdm itself is running Xwayland on my system |
| 07:12.46 | simbalion | Apparently gnome doesn't support nvidia drivers in Wayland until 3.24 |
| 07:12.51 | simbalion | and stable uses 3.22 |
| 07:12.58 | simbalion | according to someone in #wayland |
| 07:13.32 | simbalion | So that's like, 50% of the entire PC market |
| 07:13.37 | simbalion | or more |
| 07:13.40 | simbalion | probably more |
| 07:13.43 | jmcnaught | guess you'll have to wait for buster unless you can use nouveau |
| 07:14.22 | jmcnaught | on the bright side Xorg doesn't run as root on stretch |
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| 07:14.47 | jmcnaught | that might not be true for all display managers, not sure |
| 07:14.57 | simbalion | I read multiple articles talking about wayland support in stretch so all of those articles should have said wayland support but only for AMD chips |
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| 07:15.29 | jmcnaught | and intel. it's nvidia's fault if you want someone to be angry at. |
| 07:15.45 | simbalion | nvidia is the most common 3D card in the market |
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| 07:16.05 | jmcnaught | so wouldn't it be great if they provided free software drivers? |
| 07:16.21 | simbalion | intel doesn't count, they don't really make 3D chips they make budget chips. Which is also half of all radeon chips |
| 07:16.30 | simbalion | jmcnaught: You won't get any argument from me |
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| 07:17.31 | pingfloyd | simbalion: but you keep supporting them |
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| 07:20.01 | simbalion | pingfloyd: Their cards are better |
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| 07:20.19 | simbalion | I buy AMD CPUs and nVidia 3D cards because they are better. |
| 07:20.47 | simbalion | Historically speaking, over the last 20+ years, Radeon has the worst record for drivers and 3D cards |
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| 07:21.15 | pingfloyd | I know ATI is infamous for terrible drivers on all platforms |
| 07:21.25 | pingfloyd | but at they're supporting foss drivers better now |
| 07:21.35 | pingfloyd | *at least |
| 07:22.11 | simbalion | Yeah I don't buy it. The exact same thing was said like 10 years ago and it was still a nightmare then getting certain radeon cards to work in linux |
| 07:22.16 | simbalion | and anyway the performance is inferior |
| 07:22.29 | pingfloyd | if AMD were real smart they would get gung ho on linux support even more. This is chance for them dominate in linux as the defacto. |
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| 07:22.44 | Schwarzbaer | nvidia drivers have, at least in recent years, apparently become quite decent on Linux. But these days, I hate nvidia with a passion because of cuDNN, their far too successful way of building a walled garden... |
| 07:22.50 | pingfloyd | (get the edge over nvidia in this market) |
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| 07:23.41 | pingfloyd | Schwarzbaer: there walled garden is the only thing I don't like about them (nvidia). But that's a big thing for me. |
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| 07:23.55 | pingfloyd | their* |
| 07:24.47 | Schwarzbaer | pingfloyd, sadly, it's a so important and interesting topic that I'd even buy nvidia over ati these days, as much as I'll have a need to take a shower afterwards. |
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| 07:25.20 | Schwarzbaer | Maybe some genius will abuse SPIR-V into breaking that particular monopoly... |
| 07:25.28 | pingfloyd | AMD should seize the opportunity more |
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| 07:25.48 | pingfloyd | AMD makes a lot of dumb decisions though |
| 07:25.56 | Schwarzbaer | For all I care, CUDA should go the way of Cg already. |
| 07:25.57 | hexhaxtron | Anyone using ejabberd with PAM? I can't make it work... |
| 07:26.07 | pingfloyd | but at least they've made some more recent intelligent ones |
| 07:26.23 | lazarus_zed | early Athlon era is awesome |
| 07:26.57 | pingfloyd | lazarus_zed: not too early though |
| 07:27.12 | pingfloyd | like their 686 chips were pretty meh |
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| 07:27.55 | pingfloyd | I guess the would be pre athlon era though now that I'm remembering |
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| 07:29.47 | shtrb | hexhaxtron , I used to use it in the past |
| 07:30.10 | shtrb | you need to manually enable it |
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| 07:35.13 | simbalion | Could anyone tell me how to properly switch to Nouveau drivers from nvidia drivers, and if it's possible to easily switch back should it cause some games to fail? |
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| 07:37.42 | rudi_s | simbalion: Remove nvidia drivers, install noeveau drivers, adapt Xorg.conf if necessary, reboot. Do the reverse to get back to nvidia drivers. |
| 07:38.12 | rudi_s | (Make sure that you can do that without a running X as it not be available if something goes wrong.) |
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| 07:43.24 | hexhaxtron | shtrb: can you guide me step by step? I've tried ejabberd, jabberd2 and prosody without success... |
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| 07:51.49 | shtrb | hexhaxtron , did you get it enabled and it have an error or you failed to enable it ? |
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| 08:25.29 | celyr | Hi |
| 08:25.34 | celyr | I'm trying to install citadel-suite |
| 08:25.45 | celyr | but I'm getting an error |
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| 08:27.06 | celyr | https://paste.debian.net/980362/ |
| 08:27.17 | celyr | and this as soon as I apt-get install it |
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| 09:06.28 | moozer | I'm trying to access this IRC channel through riot/matrix.org. I get a "not invited" error. Does anyone use riot to acces this channel? |
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| 09:25.18 | celyr | moozer, you are joining another channel in another network |
| 09:25.30 | celyr | since you would end in debian-overflow anyway |
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| 09:27.47 | moozer | celyr: It just works with 5-10 other channels - all except #debian |
| 09:27.58 | moozer | celyr: what is debain-overflow? |
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| 09:36.25 | forcerecon | How do you move icons in the menu system so that they show up in the folders YOU want them in and not the ones they were put into when installed? and if you move them when they get updated will they be duplicated back to where they were originally? |
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| 09:38.26 | forcerecon | For example There are two liboffice maths, one is put in office and the other in education. I would like to delete the education folder. I want to put vmware icon into my programming folder and remove it from administration |
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| 09:41.17 | celyr | moozer, a channel were you eventually get redirected if you can't join here for reasons |
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| 09:46.26 | moozer | celyr: I seems like something that should be doable, so it might be a "bug" or config issue somewhere. Is there a way of getting in touch with a channel operator? |
| 09:46.45 | celyr | !ops |
| 09:46.45 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 09:47.13 | celyr | I don't think the issue is there anyway |
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| 09:50.29 | moozer | celyr: I lack the overview of the system, so talking to someone who has it usually helps :-) |
| 09:50.38 | moozer | celyr: tanks |
| 09:51.16 | celyr | moozer, what is riot/matrix.org ? |
| 09:51.45 | samouy | celyr, https://matrix.org/ |
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| 09:52.05 | samouy | and riot is one client |
| 09:52.37 | moozer | celyr: matrix.org is a distributed (OSS) chat system (including video calls) |
| 09:52.51 | celyr | omg that thing gave me ebola |
| 09:53.08 | moozer | celyr: they have set up "bridged" to enable users to connect to IRC channels. |
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| 09:54.40 | celyr | probably it's something in the gateway I really don't know |
| 09:54.50 | celyr | moozer, can you tell us the nickname ? |
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| 09:56.44 | forcerecon | can someone explain this based on dropbox but running stretch? - https://paste.debian.net/980371/ |
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| 09:57.00 | moozer | celyr: for the channel? #freenode_#debian:matrix.org |
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| 09:57.50 | celyr | moozer, I mean |
| 09:58.06 | celyr | the nickname that you are not able to join to this channel |
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| 09:58.27 | moozer | celyr: I use the same "moozer" |
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| 09:58.51 | celyr | you can't have the same nickname |
| 09:59.18 | celyr | it means you are in different networks |
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| 09:59.47 | forcerecon | in debian flood there is more information, does this just mean that dropbox installation is gone? |
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| 10:10.07 | forcerecon | what should a normal stretch sources.list look like? |
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| 10:18.01 | thanatos-inc_ | forcerecon: your question with the menus was a bit confusing. Could you please rephrase? Do you mean the menus that start applications such as in Mate or Xfce Desktop? |
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| 10:18.35 | thanatos-inc_ | forcerecon: also, I don't think anyone here is paid for support, we're all just users or maybe devs who help people in their free time. |
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| 10:19.18 | forcerecon | thanatos-inc_: I am talking about the area that shows up showing all your installed applications when you click the work Menu with the little cog at the bottom left of your screen in debian stretch cinnamon |
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| 10:19.37 | sunkan | I don't understand why but since upgrade to Stretch alt-v will not scroll backwards in emacs anymore. It works with plain keyboard layout (like us or se) but not with the Dvorak variant. Anybody know what is going on? |
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| 10:20.07 | forcerecon | thanatos-inc_: yeah I know, that was meant to be a joke of sort.. There are 1718 people in here and you are the only one that answered me.. |
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| 10:20.32 | thanatos-inc_ | forcerecon: use menulibre (package is the same name). It's a great GUI that makes it easy to toggle what is shown in the menus and what not, or also to make custom launchers. |
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| 10:21.08 | forcerecon | seems like menu customization in linux is not a simple thing to do |
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| 10:22.05 | thanatos-inc_ | forcerecon: what's so hard about using menulibre? |
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| 10:23.08 | thanatos-inc_ | forcerecon: here is a screenshot. I think this is really easy as pie: https://s14-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fi1.wp.com%2Fsmdavis.us%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F01%2Fmenulibre2_041.png%3Fssl%3D1&sp=215d361cb87cca85a0f66a09b7f6ca6b |
| 10:23.10 | forcerecon | thanatos-inc_: nothing... if you know about menulibre.. not sure why linux requires a 3rd party installation to just move around some menu items.. but now since I know about it through your response I will check it out |
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| 10:23.24 | bolt | third party? |
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| 10:24.11 | forcerecon | bolt: back in the day.. everything you had to install that was not default was called 3rd party |
| 10:24.32 | thanatos-inc_ | forcerecon: Debian is not a distro aimed at having the easiest desktop experience. A lot of the things you're used to from other OS will not be that easy. However, your statement doesn't include all other linux distros. For example, menulibre is installed by default in Xubuntu. |
| 10:24.34 | bolt | in my day, third party stuff was stuff that didn't come from you or your provider |
| 10:24.40 | bolt | packages on debian are from debian |
| 10:24.56 | bolt | and your default install is entirely up to you |
| 10:24.59 | thanatos-inc_ | bolt: menulibre is in the repos (stretch at least, not sure about oldstable) |
| 10:25.14 | bolt | which is why i questioned the "third party" designation |
| 10:25.43 | thanatos-inc_ | I see |
| 10:25.43 | bolt | if someone needs a graphical tool to customize a text file, i don't see why having to install said tool is an issue |
| 10:26.15 | thanatos-inc_ | especially if said tool makes it so much easier and quicker than writing .desktop files |
| 10:26.23 | bolt | and since it's provided by debian's packages, i don't see why "third party" is an accurate description either |
| 10:26.34 | bolt | but don't let my rambling distract you |
| 10:27.15 | forcerecon | because you don't know what it will break later on |
| 10:27.27 | bolt | what do you mean? |
| 10:27.37 | bolt | do you know what will break of your currently installed packages? |
| 10:27.56 | bolt | in my experience, the only stuff that breaks is what i break |
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| 10:28.17 | thanatos-inc_ | forcerecon: to prevent further headache, maybe start with another distro like MX-16 (very much like Debian, but with a preconfigured Xfce desktop), or Xubuntu, Ubuntu. Debian will be a lot of learning at the beginning (unless you're happy with what the desktop meta packages give you by default). |
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| 10:28.27 | forcerecon | well if I have to install an application that moves around my icons in my menu and it is not something I can do by default, then there must be a reason for said application to be a addon, or extra install.. |
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| 10:29.01 | thanatos-inc_ | forcerecon: you can do it by default by editing .desktop files in $HOME/.local/share/applications |
| 10:29.13 | thanatos-inc_ | but that's more complicated and tedious than just using menulibre |
| 10:29.30 | forcerecon | thanatos-inc_: I have been using debian since jessie, which aint long, actually like it quite a bit, just delving into the little things that annoy me at this point, like two libre maths in my menu one all by itself out of office and in education. |
| 10:29.31 | bolt | forcerecon: again, your "default" is entirely up to you. debian is made to be configurable. it's not a one size fits all kind of solution. the default desktop is just a desktop. it doesn't necessarily do what you want. install some other environment if you don't like it |
| 10:29.38 | fireba11 | Hi, i got network issues with my debian VMs (vmware 6.5) ... funny thing is my template works fine, if i clone a VM from it the network gets hickups (unreachable for 1-2minute, then working again, sometimes no ping from the outside gets answered ...) any ideas? |
| 10:30.18 | forcerecon | bolt: agreed.. I am just asking before doing. making sure it is the proper way to do something.. |
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| 10:31.02 | bolt | depends on what you define as proper. you can edit the menu yourself if you want. in most cases, it's just text files in a directory structure, or one huge file, depending on your environment |
| 10:31.18 | forcerecon | while i have the two of you here.. can you take a look at that error message from installing dropbox and just tell me if this is repo issue? |
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| 10:31.39 | thanatos-inc_ | forcerecon: installing anything from the repos within debian is proper enough. don't worry. anything else is up to your liking. if you think that such a tool should be there by default, then just put it into a list with your favourite programmes and, next time you install debian, just install those tools as well. |
| 10:32.06 | thanatos-inc_ | forcerecon: please give us the error message in a pastebin if it's longer than 2-3 lines. |
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| 10:33.20 | forcerecon | https://paste.debian.net/980371/ |
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| 10:37.28 | forcerecon | so I installed this menulibre, and turned on HIDE from menus, the education folder.. but when I go to the menu even after a save, it is still there.. does this program require a reboot |
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| 10:39.11 | thanatos-inc_ | forcerecon: depending on the desktop, you might have to either wait until the menus are re-read or just log out/log back in again. |
| 10:39.21 | thanatos-inc_ | mostly it works if you wait a minute |
| 10:39.31 | pragomer | need help. my tuxedo laptop with debian9 is connected to wlan but has no internet connection or ip. could anyone help me? |
| 10:40.03 | thanatos-inc_ | regarding dropbox, the repository is not reachable. |
| 10:40.58 | thanatos-inc_ | but when i open it in the browser, it's ok. can you repeat that? maybe it was just a temporary error? if not, maybe something is wrong with your internet connection? |
| 10:42.23 | thanatos-inc_ | forcerecon: no wait, the last bit says that the repo has no release file. probably some error on the repository. there might be a way to force the installation anyway, but i'm afraid, i don't know that. google something like: apt force installation from repo without release file |
| 10:42.29 | forcerecon | see... if you just right click on the menu word.. you can get an installed editor, and remove things in there.. menulibre is not required.. |
| 10:42.30 | forcerecon | doh! |
| 10:42.30 | forcerecon | so there is a default way |
| 10:42.31 | thanatos-inc_ | or just wait until dropbox fixes stuff |
| 10:43.04 | thanatos-inc_ | forcerecon: which desktop are you using? |
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| 10:47.44 | forcerecon | cinnamon.. |
| 10:48.21 | thanatos-inc_ | forcerecon: had no idea Cinnamon had this feature. great :) |
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| 10:49.36 | forcerecon | either did I .. but I figured I would just right click on it and see what happened |
| 10:49.41 | forcerecon | well at least those who are watching this thread will now know too :) |
| 10:49.47 | forcerecon | thanks for all the help |
| 10:50.38 | RoyK | any idea how I can have bc dump all variables with values? |
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| 10:57.03 | forcerecon | has anyone here ever used codeblocks? |
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| 10:58.48 | forcerecon | reason I ask is this.. there are a few installers and I am running this is vmware windows 10 session. I already have eclipse installed with mingw and mingw is in the path. I am not sure if I should install codeblocks with mingw or just install codeblocks without it since I already have it installed with eclipse.. not sure if there is a configuration nightmare in codeblocks for telling it where mingw is installed or if it will recognize |
| 10:58.48 | forcerecon | that it already is installed during codeblocks installation |
| 10:58.58 | forcerecon | heh.. that was a mouthful.. |
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| 10:59.46 | forcerecon | I wonder if codeblocks is here.. |
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| 11:04.52 | forcerecon | I am in #codeblocks so forget the question here.. I posted it there.. thanks |
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| 11:23.34 | darsie | reinstalls debian. bbl. |
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| 11:48.31 | pragomer | how can I get a newer kernel firmware for my wifi? then one coming with stretch doesnt work yet |
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| 11:50.50 | forcerecon | actually since you said that.. I was wondering about the terminology. what is a newer kernel firmware? is this a driver? is this something that is installed into the kernel when you install a different driver or added to the kernel, does it replace the firmware that was there by default? can someone quickly explain this? |
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| 11:51.15 | jelly | pragomer: which wifi is it, and would the driver from stretch kernel version even know to use a newer version? |
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| 11:52.20 | vkolchev | pragomer, what do you mean exactly by "doesn't work"? |
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| 11:54.37 | tremolo | It spends all day on the couch. |
| 11:55.43 | forcerecon | heh |
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| 12:00.54 | pragomer | i have connection to my ssid |
| 12:01.00 | pragomer | but no ip adress and no internet |
| 12:01.09 | pragomer | in /var/log/kern.log I can see: |
| 12:01.26 | pragomer | firmware failed to load iwlwifi-8265-22 |
| 12:01.29 | pragomer | firmware failed to load iwlwifi-8265-23 |
| 12:01.34 | pragomer | firmware failed to load iwlwifi-8265-24 |
| 12:01.36 | pragomer | firmware failed to load iwlwifi-8265-25 |
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| 12:02.21 | tremolo | Do you have the package firmware-iwlwifi? |
| 12:02.31 | pragomer | yes, it is installed |
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| 12:02.48 | forcerecon | at first it sounded more like a dhcp issue from the router.. |
| 12:02.49 | RoyK | pragomer: if you repeat the line a few more times, I'm quite sure a lot of people will rush to help |
| 12:03.10 | pragomer | it is a completely new laptop (tuxedo inifinty book) and I think its a driver issue |
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| 12:03.57 | pragomer | how can I check what intel wifi adapter I have? |
| 12:04.02 | tremolo | Looks like Sid has the same version: https://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 12:04.05 | abrotman | pragomer: hve you reloaded the driver after installing the firmware? |
| 12:04.15 | abrotman | (reboot, or reload the driver) |
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| 12:04.23 | pragomer | how to reload? I just rebootet |
| 12:04.42 | pragomer | the package was installed from the very 1st time, so... |
| 12:05.11 | abrotman | pragomer: updatedb ; locate iwlwifi (do you see it?) |
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| 12:07.23 | jelly | judd: file iwlwifi-8265-22.ucode |
| 12:07.27 | judd | Search for iwlwifi-8265-22.ucode in stretch/amd64: firmware-iwlwifi: lib/firmware/iwlwifi-8265-22.ucode |
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| 12:07.43 | pragomer | the file is in /lib/firmware |
| 12:07.49 | abrotman | jelly: teach a man to fish? :) |
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| 12:07.59 | pragomer | so is my wifi adapter the 8265 one? |
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| 12:08.09 | abrotman | pragomer: you can tell with "lspci -nn" |
| 12:08.10 | tremolo | For me, `lspci -nn` shows a line like "43:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6200 [8086:4239] (rev 35)" |
| 12:08.19 | Haohmaru | so you stick your head in the river, and you catch a crocodile |
| 12:08.22 | tremolo | Actually, exactly that line. |
| 12:08.27 | jelly | pragomer: seems plausible, if the driver wants to load that piece of fw |
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| 12:08.35 | pragomer | when I do lspci -nn: |
| 12:09.02 | pragomer | Intel Corporation Device [8086:24fd] (rev 78) |
| 12:09.04 | pragomer | nothing else |
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| 12:09.48 | abrotman | pragomer: update-pciids , then try again |
| 12:09.56 | forcerecon | wow, I get a ton of stuff.. |
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| 12:10.10 | forcerecon | https://paste.debian.net/980391/ |
| 12:10.15 | forcerecon | that is pretty kool |
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| 12:10.56 | forcerecon | love these commands |
| 12:11.09 | pragomer | I updated pciids |
| 12:11.15 | pragomer | should I reboot? |
| 12:12.34 | abrotman | -sh-4.1$ lspci -nn |wc -l |
| 12:12.35 | abrotman | 80 |
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| 12:52.30 | jelly | if there are no questions, quiet is how we like it |
| 12:52.37 | forcerecon | I noticed that the signal for non ac wireless is always at about 60% on my machines, all different but all same distance from router.. non ac is 100% signal but ac 60% |
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| 13:03.56 | bolt | forcerecon: there's always #debian-offtopic for debian users to chat about random stuff |
| 13:05.47 | bolt | forcerecon: higher frequencies generally give shorter range. it's just how physics |
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| 13:06.00 | bolt | *work |
| 13:07.53 | forcerecon | bolt: yeah I understand that the lower range provides higher bandwidth. I assume that this is due to limitations on signal strength in the industry. its like on purpose. |
| 13:07.55 | forcerecon | and I will join debian-offtopic thanks |
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| 13:11.09 | BluesKaj | howdy all |
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| 13:11.56 | forcerecon | hey BluesKaj! |
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| 13:13.59 | BluesKaj | hi forcerecon |
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| 13:19.33 | darxmurf | the nvidia-driver package is using only one CPU to compile it's module when you install it from apt-get, is there any reason for that ? |
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| 13:22.41 | darxmurf | hm there is already a bugreport about that, sorry |
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| 13:23.24 | Henry151 | it is working like a charm on my toughbook :D |
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| 13:24.24 | forcerecon | Henry151: I have the cf52 with the 1920x1200 16:10 screen and it is awesome! WElcome to the toughbook err. debian family ;) |
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| 13:59.23 | Paul^ | how change language in bash output ? |
| 13:59.33 | darxmurf | ? |
| 14:00.11 | __marco | LANG=de_DE command |
| 14:00.20 | Paul^ | ok |
| 14:00.35 | bolt | Paul^: that's up to each program to support. generally you can set the LANG and LC_* variables to your liking |
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| 14:01.25 | __marco | Paul^: It's not bash output but program output as bolt said |
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| 14:02.09 | Paul^ | https://pastebin.com/WMwXr2be |
| 14:02.25 | Paul^ | I'm tring to install vlc on debian8.9 |
| 14:02.45 | Paul^ | up is the error |
| 14:02.51 | bolt | Paul^: export LANG=de_DE |
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| 14:02.58 | __marco | I know export in bash, not set |
| 14:03.03 | Paul^ | I'm italian not german |
| 14:03.14 | Paul^ | output is in english |
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| 14:03.29 | __marco | it_IT |
| 14:03.40 | bolt | also set LC_ALL to the same |
| 14:03.51 | bolt | and make sure you've configured that locale in the first place |
| 14:03.55 | bolt | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:03.59 | Paul^ | https://pastebin.com/WMwXr2be |
| 14:04.03 | Paul^ | read here pls |
| 14:04.14 | Paul^ | problem with library dependence |
| 14:04.16 | bolt | just configure the locale and set LANG and LC_ALL |
| 14:04.23 | Paul^ | I don't know as resolve it |
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| 14:04.30 | bolt | are you looking for help with your error or do you want to change your language? |
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| 14:04.50 | Paul^ | I'm looking for install vlc |
| 14:04.52 | bolt | btw |
| 14:04.53 | bolt | !it |
| 14:04.53 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:05.47 | bolt | ,v libgles1-mesa |
| 14:05.49 | judd | Package: libgles1-mesa on amd64 -- wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 13.0.6-1~bpo8+1; buster: 13.0.6-1+b2; sid: 13.0.6-1+b2; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2 |
| 14:06.56 | boxrick | I have some networking config which technically should be working, but doing a service network restart always seems to result in errors. Would someone have a look at it for me? |
| 14:07.03 | Paul^ | judd, it's impossible on my system install this library |
| 14:07.11 | boxrick | https://gist.github.com/boxrick/52c93d51e13008a0e2ddc90dc3dee95a |
| 14:07.17 | __marco | Paul^: your problem has nothing to do with the language and, btw, perche' hai settato la lingua in inglese se poi hai problemi a capirlo? |
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| 14:08.38 | boxrick | It always seems to sit waiting for interfaces to join the bond, rather than bringing those up first. |
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| 14:09.43 | Paul^ | judd, the package are from different debian version ? |
| 14:09.51 | Paul^ | packages |
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| 14:11.33 | Paul^ | I'm using Debian GNU/Linux 8.9 (jessie) amd64 |
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| 14:15.13 | Paul^ | https://pastebin.com/kuKEKUp1 |
| 14:16.41 | Paul^ | hello |
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| 14:18.20 | jelly | judd is just a bot |
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| 14:18.33 | Paul^ | why is it impossbile solve the problem ? |
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| 14:19.58 | jelly | Paul^: it seems that on this system, you already have other pieces of Mesa installed from the non-default jessie-backports repo |
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| 14:20.32 | Paul^ | ahaaa, another pieces of library from other source |
| 14:20.37 | jelly | Paul^: since versions of all Mesa library package need to match, you will have to pick this one from jessie-backports as well |
| 14:20.49 | jelly | aptitude can figure that on its own; apt-get cannot |
| 14:21.12 | Gikoskos | hello everyone. can someone pinpoint me to a doc or tell me what's needed for someone to get their package (app, library etc) included in the main debian repos? |
| 14:21.18 | thanatos-inc_ | jelly: funny how it can do that on my jessie machine without problems. |
| 14:21.37 | Paul^ | jelly, synatic cannot figure it |
| 14:21.51 | jelly | thanatos-inc_: maybe it's funny, maybe you don't have any mesa bits installed from backports yet |
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| 14:22.12 | thanatos-inc_ | jelly: I do actually |
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| 14:22.38 | jelly | Paul^: use apt-get or aptitude, with -t jessie-backports, to install this package |
| 14:23.07 | Paul^ | with -t flag ? |
| 14:23.16 | jelly | with "-t jessie-backports" |
| 14:23.24 | jelly | !jessie-backports |
| 14:23.24 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
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| 14:24.41 | namoamitabuddha | Hello |
| 14:25.03 | namoamitabuddha | I wonder the usual way to create a guest user. |
| 14:25.19 | Paul^ | ok, it's downloading. I didn't know -t flag in apt-get , it's not documented of on-line command line |
| 14:26.04 | jelly | Paul^: man apt-get |
| 14:26.05 | Paul^ | ok, vlc installed |
| 14:26.25 | Paul^ | -t is a secondary flag , not most common |
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| 14:27.06 | Paul^ | sorry, but it's impossible for me remenber all flags of all command |
| 14:27.23 | jelly | it's also mentioned in the instructions for backports |
| 14:27.27 | namoamitabuddha | I created an encrypted temp filesystem |
| 14:28.01 | namoamitabuddha | But the owner and group are root. |
| 14:28.33 | namoamitabuddha | I don't know whether it's a good idea to set fs to be vfat and set the uid/gid in /etc/fstab |
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| 14:31.25 | bolt | namoamitabuddha: what do you expect your guest user to be able to do? |
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| 14:31.54 | namoamitabuddha | on a personal computer |
| 14:32.14 | namoamitabuddha | I expect that the user data is cleared up on each reboot |
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| 14:36.09 | bolt | namoamitabuddha: simply add a user called "guest" then, and create a small script to wipe the user's home directory at boot time |
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| 14:36.56 | bolt | namoamitabuddha: or a more elaborate one that uses rsync, for instance, to mirror some sort of default environment to that user's home directory. you probably want some files in there. |
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| 14:39.58 | Paul^ | thx to all :) |
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| 14:41.29 | namoamitabuddha | ok |
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| 14:45.51 | celyr | Hi |
| 14:46.01 | celyr | there is a service that is booted automagically when I start my debian box |
| 14:46.10 | celyr | I want to boot without that service coming up |
| 14:46.31 | celyr | any idea different from init=/bin/bash, modify relevant files, and then reboot ? |
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| 14:47.53 | dvs | celyr, I used to know how to do that, then came systemd. |
| 14:49.41 | celyr | kek |
| 14:50.05 | celyr | Heil your new God mortal |
| 14:50.11 | celyr | systemd |
| 14:50.15 | celyr | who needs free will anyway |
| 14:50.16 | mxh- | sudo systemctl disable <service> |
| 14:50.21 | mxh- | super hard |
| 14:50.25 | mxh- | :) |
| 14:50.30 | celyr | mxh-, well |
| 14:50.38 | celyr | mxh-, should I engrave it in my case |
| 14:50.39 | celyr | or ? |
| 14:50.59 | celyr | problem is that the machine is off atm |
| 14:51.09 | celyr | and I don't want it to come up with the service. |
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| 14:52.10 | mxh- | celyr: can you access the filesystem? |
| 14:52.32 | celyr | well |
| 14:52.35 | mxh- | celyr: service files are in /etc/systemd, you can find it there and set it to not autostart probably. |
| 14:52.43 | jelly | celyr: which service? |
| 14:52.45 | jelly | !ask |
| 14:52.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 14:53.16 | celyr | jelly, it's a domino custom script i installed by myself, anyway I will pursue the init=/bin/bash way and fix it manually |
| 14:53.40 | celyr | I was just asking if there is some kind of "boot time systemd hack to select the services to start while booting" |
| 14:53.46 | jelly | right, if you installed it yourself, you'll also know how to remove it yourself |
| 14:54.18 | celyr | jelly, I was seeking an alternative using systemd capabilities that I don't know |
| 14:54.30 | jelly | you can boot to a different "target" |
| 14:54.31 | jmcnaught | celyr: you can use 'systemd.unit=rescue.target' (or '1') on the kernel command line in grub |
| 14:55.02 | celyr | jmcnaught, nice |
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| 14:55.26 | doogaille | Hi |
| 14:55.38 | jelly | this is also probably what the "recovery" menu entry in grub does |
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| 14:57.35 | doogaille | Anyone know how can I simple execute "start x" at boot on debian 9 ? rc.local seem to be deleted |
| 14:57.58 | jmcnaught | doogaille: this is what a display manager is for |
| 14:58.16 | doogaille | \o/ |
| 14:58.26 | doogaille | ... |
| 14:58.34 | celyr | doogaille, if you want startx approach go slackware :P |
| 14:58.58 | celyr | not really 2017 tbh |
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| 14:59.07 | doogaille | in embed context... I dont want add another package only for that it is just a stupid idea |
| 14:59.26 | doogaille | but maybe you have an other sexy idea |
| 14:59.33 | celyr | you do need to start X in an embed system ? XD |
| 14:59.43 | doogaille | NUC |
| 14:59.53 | doogaille | for a gstreamer pipeline |
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| 15:00.06 | jmcnaught | doogaille: rc.local is dumber than a DM. Make a custom systemd service unit instead, or use nodm |
| 15:00.20 | jelly | doogaille: a custom init script or systemd service to start a process might do |
| 15:00.29 | doogaille | okay |
| 15:01.03 | celyr | nodm being the cleanest way |
| 15:01.20 | jelly | ,i nodm |
| 15:01.21 | judd | Package nodm (misc, extra) in stretch/amd64: automatic display manager. Version: 0.13-1.3; Size: 44.5k; Installed: 117k; Homepage: https://github.com/spanezz/nodm/ |
| 15:01.25 | doogaille | brillant |
| 15:01.33 | jelly | so... nodm is, in fact, a dm |
| 15:01.40 | doogaille | nodm that the way I'm going ;-) |
| 15:01.50 | jelly | mind -> blown |
| 15:02.31 | celyr | nodm it's not the dm that debian deserve but it's the dm that dm that debian needs |
| 15:02.50 | doogaille | It exactly what I need |
| 15:03.14 | doogaille | thanks guys for you help |
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| 15:05.32 | celyr | doogaille, to choose the user and things dpkg-reconfigure nodm |
| 15:05.40 | doogaille | ;-) |
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| 15:06.14 | doogaille | I have find where put nocursor option but that was my next question ;-) gj celyr |
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| 15:21.48 | Macieko0 | only gcc is main compiler on Linux ?? |
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| 15:23.08 | jelly | Macieko0: for C and C++, and Debian? Yes, but llvm/clang is comparable for most purposes |
| 15:23.24 | Macieko0 | yes on debian, only c++ |
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| 15:24.07 | Macieko0 | so can i compile both (gcc and clang) ? |
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| 15:24.34 | Gekko | Yes, it's possible |
| 15:25.04 | Macieko0 | Linux kernel also ? |
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| 15:27.26 | Gekko | I don't know. It wasn't possible several years ago, but things may have changed http://llvm.linuxfoundation.org/index.php/Main_Page |
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| 15:36.13 | Trel | I installed nodejs from apt-get but I don't appear to have gotten npm as well, is that not included for some reason? I also don't see it as a standalone package. |
| 15:37.24 | Trel | (on Stretch) |
| 15:37.33 | Gekko | To be sure, you installed the package "nodejs" and not "node", right? Those are different packages and completely unrelated. And there's a package for "npm" separately |
| 15:37.57 | Trel | I installed nodejs and there's no package for npm |
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| 15:38.03 | Gekko | Alright |
| 15:38.35 | Trel | Gekko: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=npm only one that lists it is Jessie and sid |
| 15:38.36 | eintopf | apt-file search bin/npm has 0 results in stretch for me |
| 15:39.45 | Gekko | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#apt-new-requirements-to-mirrors |
| 15:39.53 | Gekko | The Node.js platform is built on top of libv8-3.14, which experiences a high volume of security issues, but there are currently no volunteers within the project or the security team sufficiently interested and willing to spend the large amount of time required to stem those incoming issues. |
| 15:40.51 | Trel | Darn, well that's disheartening |
| 15:41.11 | Gekko | If a possibility, can you simply compile it from source? Last I did it it was as simple as it gets |
| 15:41.28 | Gekko | Can take a while though |
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| 15:44.08 | Trel | doubtful, it was just a tool I wanted that runs on it, I'll find a different tool |
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| 15:55.44 | hexhaxtron | How can I compile this code? https://github.com/bhamon/gpuPlotGenerator |
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| 15:58.26 | mad_hatter | hey folks trying to run apt-get update and im getting the error W: GPG error: http://cloudfront.debian.net wheezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
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| 15:59.47 | towo` | hexhaxtron, unable to understand the readme? |
| 15:59.49 | mad_hatter | not sure whats going on as ive already run apt-get clean |
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| 16:08.32 | guest2338 | Debian 9 unstable, Cinnamon DE. Updated about 04:00 UTC, shut down. Just booted, shows Debian 9 default "Flipper" wallpaper. Can't change to any other background. |
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| 16:09.21 | towo` | don't use unstable, if you can't handle it |
| 16:09.39 | towo` | and btw, there is no debian 9 unstable |
| 16:09.52 | towo` | debian 9 or unstable |
| 16:10.20 | dsc_ | could someone help me get my wifi to work on debian 9 stable |
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| 16:10.22 | dsc_ | ;'P |
| 16:10.39 | guest2338 | towo`: Ouch! Okay, using Debian unstable (was installed as Debian 9.) |
| 16:10.52 | towo` | dsc_, no one knows |
| 16:11.17 | dsc_ | sec |
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| 16:13.39 | dsc_ | https://pastebin.com/raw/QMqYgYJC |
| 16:13.41 | dsc_ | towo`: ^ |
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| 16:15.57 | nikitasius | hi folks.. there is no regexp channel, and i have 1 to fix. Is there someone who love regexp? |
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| 16:16.25 | kion | is testing and Stretch-backports the same? |
| 16:16.25 | dsc_ | /j #regex |
| 16:16.27 | babilen | nikitasius: There is #regex |
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| 16:16.33 | BluesKaj | mad_hatter, https://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/ scroll down to "Command line key installation for APT" |
| 16:17.00 | nikitasius | babilen: ahh cool! i was typing #regexp |
| 16:17.00 | babilen | kion: No, stretch-backports contains packages from testing compiled (and adapted) for stretch (i.e. stable) |
| 16:17.11 | babilen | nikitasius: "/msg alis list regex" |
| 16:18.53 | BluesKaj | mad_hatter, disregard my post above ...it's the wrong URL |
| 16:20.32 | dsc_ | how can I tell my kernel to use a specific file in /lib/firmware |
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| 16:20.55 | dsc_ | modinfo iwlwifi shows that its using `iwlwifi-8000C-26.ucode` while I want it to use `iwlwifi-8000C-13.ucode` |
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| 16:21.53 | dsc_ | how can I make my kernel load that -13 file ?:P |
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| 16:25.54 | dsc_ | nvm. got it to work. |
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| 16:30.03 | BluesKaj | mad_hatter, https://keyring.debian.org/ |
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| 16:31.00 | onca | I have a windows machine connected to a debian system which is set up to provide internet via ethernet, but I want to access the windows machine's samba share. It is on a seperate subnet. Is there a way to configure linux to share the share with it's subnet? |
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| 16:32.21 | hexhaxtron | Can someone help me fix this? http://paste.debian.net/980444/ |
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| 16:35.36 | petn-randall | hexhaxtron: What are you trying to compile? What command did you use? Also, it's not good practice to compile things as root. |
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| 16:36.23 | hexhaxtron | petn-randall: I'm trying to compile a GPU Plotter for Burstcoins. |
| 16:36.30 | hexhaxtron | I used 'cmake .' |
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| 16:37.46 | Gekko | The linker error you have is because the compiler cannot find the pthread implementation. Your second line was almost right - it's -lpthread without an s |
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| 16:51.32 | tomboy64 | on https://packages.debian.org/en/stretch/ddclient i can see that ddclient is version 3.8.3, but my ddclient only has 3.8.2. Could someone enlighten me as to what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 16:55.09 | mad_hatter | W: GPG error: http://cloudfront.debian.net wheezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 |
| 16:55.12 | mad_hatter | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.15 | mad_hatter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:58.43 | SuperTramp83 | tomboy64, no idea but it definitely is 'Version: 3.8.3-1.1' |
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| 17:00.41 | tomboy64 | # dpkg -s ddclient | grep Version gives me: Version: 3.8.2-2 |
| 17:00.41 | tomboy64 | also apt-get -t stretch-backports install ddclient says it's the newest version |
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| 17:07.58 | jelly | ,v ddclient |
| 17:07.59 | judd | Package: ddclient on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.8.0-11.5; jessie: 3.8.2-2; stretch: 3.8.3-1.1; sid: 3.8.3-1.1; buster: 3.8.3-1.1 |
| 17:08.20 | jelly | tomboy64: run "apt-get update", then pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy ddclient" |
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| 17:08.49 | tomboy64 | :-| it somehow stays stuck at 3.8.2-2 |
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| 17:08.55 | jelly | !paste |
| 17:08.55 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 17:11.53 | tomboy64 | jelly: https://dpaste.de/Vkpk |
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| 17:13.00 | jelly | mad_hatter: see if deleting /var/lib/apt/lists/*wheezy*updates* /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/* and doing an update again makes any difference |
| 17:13.34 | eFfeM | hi, can anybody explain me how I can find the config options with which my kernel is build (4.9.30-2) |
| 17:13.37 | jelly | tomboy64: you seem to have a Debian 8 (jessie) installation, not Debian 9 (stretch) |
| 17:13.52 | jelly | eFfeM: ls -la /boot/config-4.9* |
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| 17:14.26 | eFfeM | jelly: thanks! (of course I should have known) |
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| 17:15.06 | tomboy64 | jelly: i ran an upgrade procedure a while back. i was under the impression that had done a full upgrade. |
| 17:15.22 | jelly | tomboy64: did you do this? |
| 17:15.28 | jelly | dpkg, jessie->stretch |
| 17:15.28 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
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| 17:16.26 | jelly | tomboy64: don't omit the Release Notes reading step. |
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| 17:17.58 | tomboy64 | *blushes* thanks |
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| 17:23.10 | jelly | (this will probably take 2-3 hours of your time and things will break or change behaviors) |
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| 17:35.15 | tomboy64 | yeah, not gonna do that now. it appears, i did an upgrade from wheezy to jessie back then. my bad for touching this system once every eon. |
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| 17:44.41 | BluesKaj | bad?,you mean mistake, bad isn;t a noun |
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| 17:46.42 | BluesKaj | tired of that so called cool lingo |
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| 18:08.36 | HyP3r | Hello Everybody I was just upgradÃng my Debian 8 Jessie to Debian 9. Everything went fine while apt-get upgrade but now I get critical errors while apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:09.03 | HyP3r | Please help me. Here is the output: https://pastebin.com/vDiSFv80 |
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| 18:09.53 | mxh- | raw link https://pastebin.com/raw/vDiSFv80 |
| 18:09.56 | HyP3r | First did an apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. Then I updated my sources.list to https://pastebin.com/PGn35nei and then I did an apt-get upgrade; apt-get upgrade |
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| 18:11.10 | HyP3r | I have updated now a lot of machines and everything went everytime good but now... I'm sitting here in the nowhere (little server for monitoring data) and nothing works |
| 18:11.51 | mxh- | did you at some point do dist-upgrade? i don't understand german so having a bit of trouble with the error msg. |
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| 18:13.06 | HyP3r | mxh-: yes I did an apt-get upgrade after updateing the sources.list, then I did an apt-get upgrade, and now I get this error while apt-get dist-upgrade. |
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| 18:17.06 | mxh- | HyP3r: i see an issue. it's stretch-updates, not stretch/updates on line 4 and 5 of your sources.list |
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| 18:17.52 | mxh- | it is however stretch/updates for security. bit confusing. https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list |
| 18:18.11 | HyP3r | mxh-: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list |
| 18:18.23 | Henry151 | BluesKaj: all the bads are mine |
| 18:18.24 | HyP3r | mxh-: I copied it from there shouldn't be that correct? |
| 18:18.34 | Henry151 | I declare ownership over all of the bads. |
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| 18:19.00 | Henry151 | Aren't we supposed to be using apt, not apt-get, nowadays? |
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| 18:19.08 | mxh- | HyP3r: i see it's correct now sry nvm |
| 18:19.15 | mxh- | Henry151: nono its aptitude |
| 18:19.23 | Henry151 | I thought apt-get was considered to be the old way |
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| 18:19.30 | Henry151 | and that aptitude was an even older way |
| 18:19.43 | Henry151 | and that apt was the currently accepted convention |
| 18:19.52 | mxh- | Henry151: apt is more user-friendly, but has unreliable output. apt-get is better for scripts etc. |
| 18:20.26 | HyP3r | Is there something lke a root debian package? Which I can install to make sure everything nessercary is installed? |
| 18:20.28 | Henry151 | I've just forced myself to stop using apt-get and start using apt. you're telling me I suffered through that transition due to a misconception? Unecessarily? |
| 18:20.29 | mxh- | Henry151: if you do an apt search and pipe it to grep, it will print a warning stating just that |
| 18:20.52 | HyP3r | Ubuntu has such packages https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/ubuntu-desktop |
| 18:21.02 | mxh- | Henry151: no, apt has good search and a progressbar, that should be worth it alone :D |
| 18:21.45 | mxh- | HyP3r: can you try dpkg -C |
| 18:21.57 | mxh- | HyP3r: it should show you missing, broken etc packages. |
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| 18:22.37 | HyP3r | mxh-: I get nothing. I follow this tutorial https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-upgrade-debian-8-jessie-to-debian-9-stretch which is calling this at the beginning. Everything was ok |
| 18:22.58 | mxh- | HyP3r: oh. I followed exactly the same a few days ago and it went without a hitch. :( |
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| 18:23.51 | HyP3r | mxh-: yeah thats the problem :( |
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| 18:24.26 | Guest88775 | I'm Miguel |
| 18:24.50 | jmcnaught | HyP3r: why would you follow that instead of the instructions in the release notes? |
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| 18:25.13 | mxh- | HyP3r: it's complaining about rdnssd, so try apt install rdnssd. if it's installed, try reinstalling. |
| 18:25.30 | Guest88775 | I'm from Russina |
| 18:25.34 | mxh- | jmcnaught: that page is kind of a distilled version of the official instructions :) |
| 18:25.35 | Guest88775 | Russian |
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| 18:25.48 | HyP3r | mxh-: I have just apt-get removed and now it seems that I can call apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 18:26.01 | Guest88775 | apt-autoremove |
| 18:26.10 | mxh- | HyP3r: you mean rdnssd? |
| 18:26.18 | HyP3r | mxh-: yes |
| 18:26.37 | mxh- | HyP3r: great. yeah, i ran your error message through google translate and it stated pretty clearly that package was the issue |
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| 18:26.53 | Prof | Gerardo Sacco is here |
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| 18:28.36 | jmcnaught | !localized errors |
| 18:28.37 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
| 18:28.50 | jmcnaught | HyP3r: ^^ for next paste you make |
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| 18:30.27 | HyP3r | jmcnaught: ok I'll didn't know how to switch to german :) |
| 18:30.29 | HyP3r | *english |
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| 18:31.26 | jmcnaught | HyP3r: if you don't read it for the upgrade instructions, you should at least read it for the what's new, known issues etc: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/index.de.html |
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| 18:39.32 | HyP3r | jmcnaught: ok I'll take a look |
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| 18:51.50 | HyP3r | Well my primary hope was that the new kernel and new debian version (stretch) will fix the Graphic problem, but my screen is still flickering, I guess its the standard nvidida problem |
| 18:52.37 | jmcnaught | HyP3r: or a cable or monitor problem? |
| 18:53.57 | HyP3r | jmcnaught: no I have tons of errors like that in the journal: (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module requirement mismatch, 0) |
| 18:54.13 | HyP3r | I just follow https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 18:54.28 | jmcnaught | HyP3r: that sounds like a partially installed nvidia driver |
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| 18:54.46 | mad_hatter | hey folks im getting this error W: GPG error: http://cloudfront.debian.net wheezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org> when i try to run apt-get update any ideas what could be caushing this? |
| 18:54.55 | kallisti5 | q: does anyone actually know how the partman-auto expert partition stuff work for swap? |
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| 18:55.27 | kallisti5 | I've gotten to the point where I extracted the shell logic from partman-auto, and the numbers make 0 sense. |
| 18:55.38 | jelly | mad_hatter: you did not comment on my suggestion |
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| 18:55.53 | mad_hatter | jelly: i didnt see it |
| 18:56.17 | jelly | [17:13] <jelly> mad_hatter: see if deleting /var/lib/apt/lists/*wheezy*updates* /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/* and doing an update again makes any difference |
| 18:56.59 | kallisti5 | I assume 4096 1 16384 means: swap is 4G minimum, equal to 1 * system ram, maximum 16G. After testing on a 6GB VM it seems to mean: "3.8G" :-| |
| 18:57.28 | mad_hatter | var/lib/apt/lists/partial/* and doing an update again |
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| 18:58.27 | mad_hatter | jelly: that doesn't change the error |
| 18:58.30 | mad_hatter | err...warning |
| 18:58.48 | jelly | mad_hatter: then pick a different mirror. |
| 18:58.57 | jelly | !wheezy sources.list |
| 18:58.57 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 18:59.34 | mad_hatter | jelly: well its an aws instance, so wont my source be changed when it reboots? |
| 18:59.34 | jelly | kallisti5: 3.8GiB is probably equal to 4.0GB |
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| 19:00.15 | kallisti5 | jelly: yeah, that is my thought. I tried 4096 100% 16384 and got a 16G swap on the same system |
| 19:00.16 | jelly | mad_hatter: why would hosting on aws do such an intrusive change? |
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| 19:00.43 | kallisti5 | jelly: which does't make sense as a factor of 1 should be equal to 100% |
| 19:00.46 | kallisti5 | but, alas |
| 19:01.12 | jelly | perhaps 1 is also 1%, but minimum value is triggered |
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| 19:01.33 | kallisti5 | jelly: maybe, but partman-auto does parse percentages vs non-percentages |
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| 19:01.48 | jelly | kallisti5: just for fun, what happens if you use "50" and "50%" |
| 19:01.53 | kallisti5 | I've found 0 documentation on it, and the swap stuff seems to have a lot if special logic around it |
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| 19:02.36 | jelly | kallisti5: if you're desperate, #debian-boot on OFTC (irc.oftc.net) is where debian-installer people are |
| 19:02.45 | jmcnaught | kallisti5: did you find https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/d-i/debian-installer.git/tree/doc/devel/partman-auto-recipe.txt ? |
| 19:03.14 | jelly | partman is broken in many ways, I mostly avoid the automatic stuff |
| 19:03.53 | kallisti5 | jelly: yeah, we do silent installs so I have to mess with this mess :-) I miss kickstart |
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| 19:03.56 | jelly | "you want LVM? Okay, let's give /home 100% of the free space. Who needs snapshots!" |
| 19:04.01 | kallisti5 | lol |
| 19:04.46 | jelly | but if you specify exact amounts for everything things are fine I guess |
| 19:05.09 | kallisti5 | jelly: I tried that, our server installs get 2G swap instead of 16G :P |
| 19:05.10 | jelly | haven't really done preseeded installs |
| 19:05.18 | kallisti5 | i'd avoid them |
| 19:05.55 | kallisti5 | jmcnaught: so, looking at that doc |
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| 19:06.03 | kallisti5 | jmcnaught: https://pastebin.com/GDu5yLBs there is what the example gives |
| 19:06.07 | jelly | 2G is the upper sane limit anyway, unless you _know_ you have apps that leak memory constantly and just want to delay their inevitable restarts |
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| 19:06.24 | kallisti5 | jelly: we have 256G of ram and like 300TiB on a single server |
| 19:06.43 | kallisti5 | jelly: we normally shoot for 16G just incase. RedHat's recommendation is 11G |
| 19:07.13 | jelly | gotta wonder where it gets the 11G from |
| 19:07.58 | kallisti5 | I've heard the kernel can put some mmu tracking stuff in swap |
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| 19:08.04 | kallisti5 | but that might not be true |
| 19:08.19 | jelly | what, like pagetables? |
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| 19:08.36 | kallisti5 | yeah.. unconfirmed tho |
| 19:08.51 | kallisti5 | just hearsay in an office full of people with opinions :-) |
| 19:09.34 | kallisti5 | XFS really likes contigious memory though on huge filesytstems... so I try to have a bit of swap. |
| 19:09.40 | kallisti5 | *just incase* |
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| 19:10.04 | kallisti5 | although it's like putting an elephant into a drinking straw if we ever needed it |
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| 19:10.41 | kallisti5 | anyway, here's the awesome partman-auto logic: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/partman-auto/ubuntu/view/head:/lib/recipes.sh#L80 |
| 19:10.46 | kallisti5 | It's all magic |
| 19:11.00 | context | hi. i have itnerfaces setup to use wpa_roam thingy.. my problem is if i shut my laptop, go somewhere, and it auto-connects to a new ap (as expected) the dhcp doesnt get refreshed |
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| 19:11.39 | context | how do i get wpa_sup to 'force' renew/refresh/re..do dhcp when connecting to a new/different ap |
| 19:12.06 | kallisti5 | jmcnaught: ack.. my simulation doesn't convert system ram to MiB vs bytes |
| 19:12.14 | kallisti5 | might want to ignore that link i sent before |
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| 19:12.54 | jmcnaught | kallisti5: it's okay, i'm also not very knowledgable about partman-auto, but I saw you say you found zero documentation and I happened to know about that file |
| 19:13.39 | guest2338 | Debian unstable, Cinnamon DE. Updated about 04:00 UTC, shut down. Just booted, shows Debian 9 default "Flipper" wallpaper. Can't change to any other background. |
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| 19:16.21 | towo` | guest2338, downgrade gnome-settings-daemon gsettings-desktop-schemas to testing versions |
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| 20:02.44 | aguitel | why this error ? W: http://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists/stretch/updates/InRelease: The key(s) in the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not readable by user '_apt' executing apt-key. |
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| 20:03.24 | enyc | aguitel: is this in some kind of apt-cron thing ??? |
| 20:03.49 | aguitel | enyc, in apt update |
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| 20:05.27 | xar- | alright, i'm back at it, trying to salvage my system; first observation: reported MHz are severly underclocked under stretch, what is governing/controlling that and how do I adjust? |
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| 20:06.29 | petn-randall | xar-: What do you mean with "reported MHz are severly underclocked"? |
| 20:06.30 | jmcnaught | aguitel: Did you run synaptic? Could be #864640. Try moving /etc/apt/trusted.gpg somewhere else and run 'apt update' again |
| 20:06.31 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/864640 in synaptic (open): «synaptic: when modifying repository's a file named trusted.gpg is created in /etc/apt/»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-06-12; last modified: 2017-07-31. |
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| 20:07.25 | xar- | petn-randall: if I ask /proc/cpuinfo for a MHz report, it's not what it should be, a Xeon core should not be running at 800Mhz.. |
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| 20:07.44 | aguitel | jmcnaught, what means "moving" ? delete ? |
| 20:08.17 | jmcnaught | aguitel: instead of deleting files you're not sure about, move them to a different directory or rename them. That way it's easy to get them back if you need to. |
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| 20:08.35 | aguitel | jmcnaught, ok |
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| 20:09.02 | jmcnaught | xar-: you're probably using the ondemand cpufreq governor which increases frequency as soon as the demand is there |
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| 20:10.14 | xar- | jmcnaught: is that tied to any particular systemd-ish unit/service |
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| 20:10.42 | petn-randall | xar-: Why shouldn't it be running at 800MHz when it's idling? |
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| 20:11.48 | aguitel | jmcnaught, if apt update run with no errors means it fixed ? |
| 20:13.12 | xar- | petn-randall: the ramp is too slow, I'd prefer it run at the rated speed |
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| 20:13.37 | LtL | aguitel: yes it's fixed |
| 20:13.53 | aguitel | LtL, ok |
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| 20:14.33 | aguitel | one question ,aptitude or apt ? |
| 20:14.39 | petn-randall | xar-: Can you tell us how you came to this conclusion? |
| 20:14.40 | aguitel | in stretch |
| 20:15.37 | LtL | aguitel: apt unless you expect dependency issues. then try aptitude. |
| 20:16.14 | HyP3r | Well I giving up I guess GeForce 7200 GS I not any more supported with debian strech. I have such critical errors, with the debian legacy error and the offical driver from nvidia. I buy now another new one. |
| 20:16.36 | HyP3r | Which one is good supported with the current kernels and linux versions? |
| 20:17.24 | HyP3r | I'm talking about graphic cards. Whats a good supported graphic card? Should be cheap, its only for a server... |
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| 20:19.31 | grimsley | have you thought about a nvidia 1030 or amd/ati 550 ? those two are relatively cheap |
| 20:20.19 | HyP3r | grimsley: well if I took at this shitty GeForce 7200... are newer nvidia cards better supported? |
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| 20:21.00 | HyP3r | s/took/look |
| 20:22.05 | grimsley | I've had no issues with either, nothing special mind you but for a server it should do just fine. |
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| 20:22.39 | HyP3r | grimsley: I'll order that card |
| 20:23.35 | `Kevin | HyP3r: 7200gs says its supported in Version:304.117 |
| 20:23.45 | `Kevin | Release Date:2013.12.11 |
| 20:24.04 | `Kevin | it doesnt compile? |
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| 20:24.43 | grimsley | does your current system now have an integrated gpu intel or some such ? |
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| 20:25.02 | grimsley | now = not |
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| 20:27.17 | `Kevin | actually even 304.1350 |
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| 20:29.22 | HyP3r | `Kevin: well I can install this driver from the debian sources ór direct from nvidia. BOth are not working. THe Window Manager is able to start and dispaly everything but then I have a lot of crashes and atrifatcs |
| 20:29.38 | johnkeates | maybe your gpu died |
| 20:30.07 | xar- | petn-randall: kinda offtopic, but sure, before an upgrade yesterday I was on jessie where I closely monitored CPU performance, this wasn't an issue, then the unplanned upgrade to stretch occured, and here are, the difference is palpable |
| 20:30.23 | xar- | s/here are/here we are/ |
| 20:30.26 | `Kevin | HyP3r: anything usful in X log or dmesg? |
| 20:30.32 | HyP3r | Well the full story is that the server is crashed after 250 days of uptime last saturday. I was able to boot today the server with debian jessie and work |
| 20:30.38 | johnkeates | also, your GPU is supported by nouveau |
| 20:30.44 | HyP3r | Then I decided to update to debian strech |
| 20:30.46 | johnkeates | so it's not debian or a driver or anything, it should work fine |
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| 20:30.59 | HyP3r | since then nothing worked |
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| 20:32.07 | HyP3r | I tried nouveau (X.org can't load the driver), nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver (artifacts), nvidia-driver (does not support that old card) original driver from nvidia (also 340.xxx) is not able to start |
| 20:32.14 | HyP3r | Maybe the card died :/ |
| 20:32.39 | HyP3r | I will buy this card. Its a bit cheaper than grimsley https://www.amazon.de/MSI-GeForce-GT-710-1024MB/dp/B01AY7927A/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1502223974&sr=1-1&keywords=GT+710 |
| 20:33.03 | petn-randall | xar-: Can you show numbers? While I believe you that you might have performance problems, I don't think cpufreq would be my first place to look. |
| 20:33.31 | johnkeates | dont install any of those, only nouveau |
| 20:33.49 | johnkeates | and dont configure anythning either, it's automatic, manual configuration often just breaks things |
| 20:34.19 | johnkeates | how do the graphics look in the bios? |
| 20:34.33 | HyP3r | johnkeates: I also uninstalled everything (first with the orignal driver unistalled it, because its not maintained with the package manager) then I purged everything with apt-get purge 'nvidia-*' |
| 20:34.50 | HyP3r | johnkeates: then I removed the modprobes (noveau was blacklisted) |
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| 20:35.11 | HyP3r | johnkeates: but then I have just two erros while Xorg loads: can't load glx and then can't load nvidia |
| 20:35.15 | johnkeates | does nouveau show up in dmesg |
| 20:35.26 | johnkeates | delete xorg.org |
| 20:35.27 | HyP3r | johnkeates: the graphics looks fine in bios, |
| 20:35.31 | johnkeates | xorg-.conf |
| 20:35.51 | HyP3r | johnkeates: ok? |
| 20:36.09 | johnkeates | those errors are because of nividua |
| 20:36.19 | johnkeates | x11 no longer needs a config file |
| 20:36.24 | grimsley | well it is a bit cheaper |
| 20:36.39 | HyP3r | I'm tired today, after 10 hours of work and now 2 hours graphic card maintainance in our local firedepartment :(. I'll continue tomorow |
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| 20:37.11 | johnkeates | okay |
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| 20:37.25 | HyP3r | but johnkeates I'll try your suggetions |
| 20:37.40 | johnkeates | just remember: only nouveau, nothing else (no xorg either), if it doesn't work in accelerated mode, the gpu might be dead (bios is vesa as is grub) |
| 20:37.48 | johnkeates | good luck |
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| 20:55.43 | frezy | hi there, i scp -r a dir into a remote debian and it says copied everything on the server i only find first level dirs without the content but when i find ./ it lists everything.... anyone an idea whats going on? |
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| 20:56.09 | kusznir_ | Hi all: I'm trying to do a netinst of debian 7 on a machine using a pretty scratched up CD (what I have...I really don't want to have to drive to my home in another city to burn a new cd, and then drive back to install debian). |
| 20:56.43 | kusznir_ | The CD has loaded the installer and seems to be working fairly well, but in "install the base system" it gets a file transfer error on the kernel package, loading it from CD. It has network access already. |
| 20:57.05 | kusznir_ | Is there a way to force the installer to download ALL packages from the internet and stop trying to use the CD? I know I used to do that with RedHat in the day... |
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| 20:59.22 | frezy | did some stupid mistake :P |
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| 21:03.50 | xar- | petn-randall: unfortunately jessie has been replaced by stretch after the failed upgrade yesterday, but I do know unequivocally the reported MHz in /proc/cpuinfo was closer to spec under jessie at idle, unfortunately with the upgrade there's no data to collect unless I download jessie and go backwards |
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| 21:31.03 | petn-randall | !xy problem |
| 21:31.03 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
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| 21:32.16 | petn-randall | xar-: See above. What user-visible *issue* are you observing? As in, do you see really bad performance on a daemon, or something? |
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| 21:33.08 | xar- | respectfully, lemme redirect, is there a systemd service that controls this that I can adjust the behavior? |
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| 21:34.38 | petn-randall | xar-: cpufrequtils is probably what you're looking for. Good luck with debugging. |
| 21:36.50 | petn-randall | xar-: An easy way to test *before* changing anything is to run cpuburn and check if the frequency goes up to the maximum. If that's the case, you're looking into the wrong end. |
| 21:37.33 | xar- | haven't heard of that utility, I'll check that out thanks; this server runs a myriad of virtual machines, I just don't want to leave this stone unturned |
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| 21:39.29 | petn-randall | xar-: No way for us to know as long as you don't tell about the problem. But I highly doubt it's cpufreq since the scheduler adjust the frequency about 1000 times per second, so you won't be able to see any lag in human timescales. |
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| 21:43.09 | obiwahn | when i upgrade roundcube or upgrade to mariadb my mysql server dies with some segfault due to nullptr access |
| 21:43.55 | obiwahn | is there a command to reinstall every installed lib? |
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| 21:47.03 | zerocool | hello everyone |
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| 21:47.11 | eck | hello zerocool |
| 21:47.34 | zerocool | i need an uefi bootable iso for dvd, does anything like this exist? |
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| 21:48.48 | jmcnaught | Debian installer images can boot from UEFI since wheezy. Debian live images can boot from UEFI as of stretch |
| 21:48.56 | petn-randall | zerocool: The default one boots just fine from UEFI. |
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| 21:49.21 | zerocool | ah, stretch... i guess that'll have to do but i'd prefer jessie |
| 21:49.24 | jmcnaught | obiwahn: 'aptitude -s reinstall ~i~n^lib' but unless you think libraries are damaged some how it's not clear how this will help you |
| 21:49.24 | zerocool | jmcnaught: thanks |
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| 21:52.19 | jelly | zerocool: neither jessie nor stretch installer isos support uefi secure boot, if that is enabled, you need to disable it |
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| 21:54.11 | zerocool | jelly: secure boot's off but thanks |
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| 21:55.04 | obiwahn | jmcnaught: maybe there is some broken lib |
| 21:55.14 | obiwahn | jmcnaught: i really run out ideas |
| 21:55.45 | obiwahn | i was just wonderding that there is not -dbg package for mysql |
| 21:56.01 | obiwahn | do i need some special mirror for debug packages? |
| 21:56.05 | jmcnaught | obiwahn: do you have logs and/or command output of the errors that you can put on a paste site? |
| 21:56.21 | obiwahn | or do i have to compile the binary mayself to have a look with gdb or rr |
| 21:56.32 | obiwahn | myself |
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| 21:56.44 | jmcnaught | obiwahn: new archive for debug symbols is covered in the release notes |
| 21:59.17 | obiwahn | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=870433 |
| 21:59.18 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/870433 in mariadb-server-10.1 (open): «mysql-server: crash during upgrade to mariadb»; severity: important; opened: 2017-08-01; last modified: 2017-08-01. |
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| 22:02.13 | sine0 | folks, for some reason when i type crontab it hangs, cli only. |
| 22:02.32 | jmcnaught | obiwahn: and mariadb is still not working? |
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| 22:05.47 | busch | I am looking for a method to compress mails in a maildir on my debian server. My first idea was to look at dovecot and it seeams that they have zlib to compress mails. Second idea was to use btrfs instead of ext4 und enable the compression feature. Any more ideas? Which is the "best" way to do it? How much can textfiles/maildirs be compress in percent? |
| 22:06.45 | petemc | filesystem or dovecot plugin are probably your best bet |
| 22:07.04 | johnkeates | what are you trying to solve? are we having an xy again |
| 22:07.08 | johnkeates | !xy |
| 22:07.09 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
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| 22:09.11 | busch | Sorry. The goal is to save space on my server in order to make backups to offsite faster |
| 22:10.07 | johnkeates | ah |
| 22:10.11 | johnkeates | well, backups won't be faster |
| 22:10.27 | busch | They need less time to complete... |
| 22:10.29 | johnkeates | at least, not when using filesystem compression, as the data will be decompressed before reading |
| 22:10.46 | obiwahn | jmcnaught: no it is not |
| 22:11.05 | obiwahn | jmcnaught: i have the debug symbols |
| 22:11.07 | johnkeates | so file-level gzipping is probably better |
| 22:11.26 | obiwahn | What do i have to do to step through the code? |
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| 22:12.36 | busch | johnkeates, Backup is done at the hypervisor. The backup software does not need to decompress the data |
| 22:12.58 | jmcnaught | obiwahn: do you have a backup from mysqldump that you can restore from? Have you tried purging all of the mariadb and mysql packages, then installing them again? |
| 22:13.03 | johnkeates | then filesystem level compression might help you indeed |
| 22:13.51 | busch | In terms of cpu usage on the server (server has VERY limited cpu resources): Which is better? Filesystem or file-level compression? |
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| 22:14.53 | johnkeates | neither |
| 22:15.06 | johnkeates | lzo or lz4 might be usable |
| 22:15.14 | obiwahn | jmcnaught: i have whole vm:) |
| 22:15.15 | busch | Oh, it is not supported to convert ext4 to btrfs? https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Conversion_from_Ext3 |
| 22:15.18 | johnkeates | but algorithms are going to eat cpu either way |
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| 22:15.56 | obiwahn | hum the transaction is null - but i need some code to see what is going on |
| 22:15.59 | johnkeates | i'd say stick with per-file so you can turn it on and off on demand |
| 22:16.11 | johnkeates | unless btrfs does that too |
| 22:16.15 | johnkeates | i don't know, i use ZFS |
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| 22:19.52 | jmcnaught | obiwahn: what do you mean you have the full VM? Is your goal to get mariadb working, or to debug the segfault? Do you have a backup from mysqldump? |
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| 22:26.09 | obiwahn | jmcnaught: i qemu/kvm for my web-vm that contains the database |
| 22:26.41 | obiwahn | i am a bit unsure how to do the dump restore in a correct way |
| 22:27.06 | obiwahn | it is not the dump/restore itself - i found that in the mysql documentation |
| 22:27.38 | obiwahn | but i am unsure about the configuration files in etc. i tried to purge everything mysql related once |
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| 22:28.56 | obiwahn | and imported the data back, but then a lot of my services were failing because the password handling changed somehow or because some passwords have been in in /etc |
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| 22:30.05 | obiwahn | so i thought that it might be easier to debug mysql than learn about all the mysql options and how the debian project packages it |
| 22:31.01 | jmcnaught | obiwahn: how did you import the data back? By copying files from /var/lib/mysql, or with the mysql client and a file prepared with mysqldump? |
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| 22:31.34 | obiwahn | 2nd option |
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| 22:33.04 | obiwahn | I think i did a "mqsqldump --all-databases > backup.mysql" |
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| 22:33.22 | jmcnaught | well i don't know what went wrong for you that time. i still don't know if you have a backup from mysqldump for right now or not. If you already have a hypervisor going, make a new VM, install mariadb, and test importing your database |
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| 22:34.31 | obiwahn | yes it is probably the easiest to do that - i have another try with import |
| 22:34.47 | obiwahn | and just delete the database files in var |
| 22:35.00 | obiwahn | last time i deleted etc files as well |
| 22:35.20 | obiwahn | that could have been a mistake |
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| 22:42.58 | JustTheDoctor | Hello i am working on setting up my linux vps here in the USA for vnc and for some reason such apps like iceweasel are in a different language, how can i check the language settings and change them if need be? |
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| 22:47.58 | petn-randall | !locales |
| 22:47.58 | dpkg | Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 22:48.01 | petn-randall | JustTheDoctor: ^^^ |
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| 22:49.00 | JustTheDoctor | thank you |
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| 22:52.53 | JustTheDoctor | petn-randall: do i need to reboot or do anything else after that? its still in another language |
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| 22:52.59 | JustTheDoctor | i selected the proper en_US stuff |
| 22:54.57 | petn-randall | JustTheDoctor: You might have to log out and in again. |
| 22:55.09 | JustTheDoctor | ok thank you |
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| 23:12.00 | JustTheDoctor | i restarted the system, still no change |
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