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| 01:05.00 | davidebeatrici | Hello |
| 01:05.07 | bazhang | hi |
| 01:05.26 | davidebeatrici | I have Debian on a SSD |
| 01:05.31 | davidebeatrici | UEFI |
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| 01:05.42 | eck | nice |
| 01:06.12 | davidebeatrici | I have updated my motherboard's BIOS and now it can't boot anymore |
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| 01:06.50 | davidebeatrici | What can I do to fix it? |
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| 01:07.42 | davidebeatrici | Basically I don't see the "debian" entry between the UEFI drives anymore |
| 01:09.37 | davidebeatrici | The SSD is still detected |
| 01:09.51 | davidebeatrici | And the /boot partition is still there |
| 01:10.06 | davidebeatrici | I checked with Gparted Live |
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| 01:12.09 | davidebeatrici | The BIOS settings were resetted after the update |
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| 01:18.47 | petn-randall | davidebeatrici: I'm guessing that "secure boot" was enabled again. Disable that to boot Debian. |
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| 01:23.01 | davidebeatrici | petn-randall: I have a MSI Z97 Gaming 5 |
| 01:23.20 | davidebeatrici | I don't see any option to disable it in the BIOS |
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| 01:24.47 | petn-randall | davidebeatrici: /boot/ is not the part that is needed for EFI boot, though. You need /boot/efi, which is called the EFI System Partition. |
| 01:25.33 | davidebeatrici | petn-randall: Is it a separate partition? |
| 01:26.23 | petn-randall | davidebeatrici: It should be a FAT32 filesystem containing EFI/debian/grubx64.efi. Yes, it's a separate partition from /boot, which is usually ext2. |
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| 01:27.30 | davidebeatrici | petn-randall: Can I boot it from the EFI shell? |
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| 01:31.51 | petn-randall | davidebeatrici: Probably, but I don't know how. Otherwise I'd make sure that the boot settings are set to "UEFI only", and that CSM is disabled. |
| 01:32.58 | davidebeatrici | It was already disabled, as it's only available when the Windows 8/8.1/10 option is enabled |
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| 01:39.18 | petn-randall | davidebeatrici: What error do you get trying to boot debian? |
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| 01:42.01 | davidebeatrici | petn-randall: That's the problem |
| 01:42.14 | davidebeatrici | It goes to the EFI shell |
| 01:42.37 | davidebeatrici | I jus tried to reset the BIOS settings |
| 01:42.58 | davidebeatrici | It still doesn't detect Debian as a UEFI boot option |
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| 01:44.29 | davidebeatrici | Is there a way to repair the boot? |
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| 01:45.10 | petn-randall | !fixmbr |
| 01:45.10 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 01:45.20 | petn-randall | davidebeatrici: ^^^ |
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| 01:48.59 | davidebeatrici | petn-randall: Are there any problems if I'm running Debian Buster and the DVD is Debian Stretch? |
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| 01:51.34 | bazhang | buster? |
| 01:51.41 | bazhang | what release is that |
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| 01:52.40 | cruncher | bazhang, read https://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 01:55.37 | bazhang | !buster |
| 01:55.38 | dpkg | The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html |
| 01:55.55 | bazhang | andy's dachsund! |
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| 01:58.36 | xar- | jmcnaught: I finally got around to using win32diskmanager like you recommened (rather than rufus); still didn't work, there is something seriously wrong with the 9.1 images, I had to go back to 8.9.0 |
| 01:59.47 | JustTheDoctor | omfg this is LAME |
| 01:59.59 | JustTheDoctor | i cannot get my system to realize its AMERICAN! lol |
| 02:00.15 | aedinius | JustTheDoctor: in what way? |
| 02:00.29 | JustTheDoctor | when i use iceweasel and search google, it loads google.com.ua |
| 02:00.34 | petn-randall | davidebeatrici: Probably not, since you're only using the kernel and chroot'ing into your actual system. |
| 02:00.55 | JustTheDoctor | http://prntscr.com/g65323 |
| 02:00.57 | aedinius | JustTheDoctor: usually that's based on geoip... not using any kind of vpn or anything? |
| 02:01.05 | JustTheDoctor | nope, |
| 02:01.19 | JustTheDoctor | and its a vps in LA |
| 02:01.29 | JustTheDoctor | (Los Angeles CA) |
| 02:02.02 | petn-randall | JustTheDoctor: I'm 100% sure that google uses geoip, maybe they screwed up and think that IP range is in the ukraine. |
| 02:02.14 | petn-randall | JustTheDoctor: In any way, it's not a problem related to Debian. |
| 02:02.33 | petn-randall | JustTheDoctor: (just click on "google.com in English", btw) |
| 02:02.38 | cruncher | JustTheDoctor, in worst case you can use google.com/ncr |
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| 02:02.52 | JustTheDoctor | http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/104.200.153.98 |
| 02:02.57 | JustTheDoctor | according to the internet, its in the US |
| 02:03.00 | davidebeatrici | petn-randall: I started the graphical installer and switched to the console with CTRL + ALT + F2 |
| 02:03.14 | davidebeatrici | My SSD is on /dev/sda |
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| 02:04.06 | cruncher | JustTheDoctor, for google.com it doesnt matter what your locale settings are on the system |
| 02:04.16 | davidebeatrici | But when I enter "mount -t ext4 /dev/sda /mnt" it doesn't work |
| 02:04.32 | davidebeatrici | "No such device" |
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| 02:04.58 | aedinius | davidebeatrici: did you make the whole disk a filesystem or did you partition it? |
| 02:05.24 | davidebeatrici | aedinius: It's partitioned |
| 02:05.45 | aedinius | davidebeatrici: Then you wouldn't mount /dev/sda, you'd mount the partition. is it /dev/sda1 or what? |
| 02:05.52 | cruncher | davidebeatrici, i didnt read your issue, but you shoudl mount a partition, not the disk itself (try sdaX, not sda, where X is the partition number) |
| 02:06.17 | davidebeatrici | And... which partition should I mount? |
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| 02:06.30 | davidebeatrici | I have 5 partitions |
| 02:06.33 | cruncher | davidebeatrici, whichever you want or need |
| 02:06.48 | davidebeatrici | I need to fix the boot |
| 02:07.00 | davidebeatrici | !fixmbr |
| 02:07.01 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 02:07.07 | ihatecsv | So, I just ran `sudo apt autoremove`, and it deleted the sudo package. |
| 02:07.12 | ihatecsv | What on earth do I do |
| 02:07.14 | ihatecsv | haha |
| 02:07.32 | aedinius | ihatecsv: well, for next time, review changes before they're committed |
| 02:07.43 | cruncher | davidebeatrici, it says, mount your root partition |
| 02:07.45 | ihatecsv | Noted |
| 02:08.07 | aedinius | ihatecsv: in the mean time, can you su to root? might have to do some boot magic (i.e. single user mode) to recover |
| 02:08.09 | davidebeatrici | cruncher: How can I know which is it? |
| 02:08.11 | cruncher | davidebeatrici, if you dont know which one it is, show us the output of fdisk -l |
| 02:08.21 | petn-randall | ihatecsv: You can reset your root password if you don't have it set: |
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| 02:08.27 | petn-randall | !fmrp |
| 02:08.27 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start See also http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/resetting-permissions.html, <mysql initial password>. |
| 02:08.36 | petn-randall | !frp |
| 02:08.36 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 02:08.40 | ihatecsv | I do have the root password |
| 02:08.50 | aedinius | ah, then su and then apt install sudo |
| 02:08.54 | petn-randall | ihatecsv: Then just do 'su -', type it in, and apt install sudo |
| 02:09.22 | davidebeatrici | cruncher: Command not found |
| 02:09.36 | ihatecsv | If anyone could take a quick peek at this list, any other super important things it removed? |
| 02:09.37 | ihatecsv | https://gist.github.com/ihatecsv/4720feb04079fee6a36f941e21a84ec9 |
| 02:09.38 | aedinius | davidebeatrici: sudo fdisk -l |
| 02:09.54 | davidebeatrici | sudo: not found |
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| 02:10.03 | cruncher | no, he is apparently in the installer |
| 02:10.06 | petn-randall | davidebeatrici: What are you *exactly* typing? |
| 02:10.07 | davidebeatrici | Yes |
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| 02:10.10 | aedinius | oh |
| 02:10.30 | davidebeatrici | I'm in the installer |
| 02:10.41 | davidebeatrici | BusyBox |
| 02:11.16 | davidebeatrici | Do I need to use GParted Live? |
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| 02:11.42 | ihatecsv | Thanks petn-randall, that worked |
| 02:11.52 | ihatecsv | Hopefully it didn't nuke anything else. Lesson learned |
| 02:11.54 | cruncher | davidebeatrici, no |
| 02:12.04 | petn-randall | ihatecsv: You're welcome, you should be fine. |
| 02:12.10 | cruncher | i guess you instantly siwtched to alt+f2 |
| 02:12.16 | davidebeatrici | Yes |
| 02:12.16 | cruncher | sleect the keyboard first |
| 02:12.32 | cruncher | then fdisk -l should work |
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| 02:17.36 | davidebeatrici | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/sE9L8Kft/IMG_20170809_041715.jpg |
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| 02:18.14 | cruncher | davidebeatrici, du you have that on purp |
| 02:18.22 | davidebeatrici | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.24 | cruncher | ose, or are you trying to install for the first time? |
| 02:18.36 | davidebeatrici | Purp? |
| 02:18.49 | cruncher | (see 2nd/continued phrase) |
| 02:19.04 | davidebeatrici | Purpose |
| 02:19.19 | davidebeatrici | I need to fix the UEFI boot |
| 02:19.20 | cruncher | anyway, try with sda2 |
| 02:20.00 | davidebeatrici | !fixmbr |
| 02:20.00 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 02:20.29 | jmcnaught | !self tell |
| 02:20.29 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 02:20.45 | davidebeatrici | Sorry |
| 02:22.56 | tron | cant get flash player to work with firefox, where do i put the libflashplayer.so in linux so it'll work? |
| 02:23.15 | davidebeatrici | grub-install /dev/sda1, right? |
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| 02:25.02 | davidebeatrici | cruncher: ^^ |
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| 02:29.01 | dvs | davidebeatrici, he said sda2 |
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| 02:29.27 | Henry151 | So, I'm on a panasonic toughbook CF-30 MK2; running Debian linux; when I run acpi, it tells me that my battery is at 0% |
| 02:29.30 | Henry151 | so it could turn off any instant. |
| 02:29.34 | Henry151 | however, it's been saying 0%, 0 minutes remaining, for about ten minutes |
| 02:29.39 | Henry151 | I'm curious, how can I reset or recalibrate the measurement to be more accurate? or is that possible? |
| 02:29.41 | tron | plug it in |
| 02:29.44 | Henry151 | lol |
| 02:29.50 | Henry151 | will do when I get back to an outlet |
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| 02:30.23 | Henry151 | I frequently need to be unplugged for the lifetime of the battery (in fact I have three batteries for it, and often I have to run through all three and still wish I had a fourth) |
| 02:30.41 | Henry151 | I plan to buy an additional battery later this week |
| 02:30.47 | tron | damn |
| 02:30.55 | Henry151 | and an external charger to help me keep them charged |
| 02:31.07 | Henry151 | I'm just wondering about configuring the measurement to be more accurate |
| 02:31.20 | Henry151 | it seems like I usually have almost 20 minutes after it says 0% before it turns off |
| 02:31.30 | Henry151 | (if I turn my display brightness all the way low) |
| 02:31.34 | tron | you use it for 12+ hours a day? |
| 02:32.28 | tron | u a porn addict? |
| 02:32.32 | Henry151 | lol |
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| 02:32.36 | Henry151 | these are old batteries |
| 02:32.39 | Henry151 | last about 2 hours each |
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| 02:32.45 | tron | get a newer laptop |
| 02:32.52 | Henry151 | I bought three of these toughbooks on ebay |
| 02:33.04 | Henry151 | I put the best parts into one machine, bought an SSD and some extra ram |
| 02:33.04 | tron | toughbooks are old |
| 02:33.08 | Henry151 | I love it |
| 02:33.16 | Henry151 | it does everything I need it to, and stands up to the abuse |
| 02:33.22 | davidebeatrici | dvs: No, that was my root partition |
| 02:33.23 | dTal | is tensely waiting for Henry151 to ping timeout |
| 02:33.30 | tron | lol |
| 02:33.36 | Henry151 | I had an E6410ATG Dell Latitude, it lasted me about three weeks |
| 02:33.43 | Henry151 | supposedly "semi-rugged" |
| 02:33.44 | tron | geez |
| 02:33.46 | dvs | davidebeatrici, ah, you need your /boot partition |
| 02:33.48 | Henry151 | more like "extremely fragile |
| 02:34.04 | davidebeatrici | petn-randall, aedinius, cruncher: I'm writing from my PC :-) |
| 02:34.07 | Henry151 | where do I cat for bat voltage and such again? I forget |
| 02:34.08 | tron | laptops arnt made for abuse |
| 02:34.13 | davidebeatrici | Thank you very very very much for your help! |
| 02:34.14 | Henry151 | the toughbook is :D |
| 02:34.37 | davidebeatrici | I still don't know why the UEFI Debian option disappeared after updating the BIOS |
| 02:34.46 | davidebeatrici | But the important thing is that now everything works |
| 02:34.47 | Henry151 | I do customer support on the telephone while I hike the long trail, go canoeing, bring my nephews fishing and camping, etc |
| 02:34.50 | petn-randall | davidebeatrici: You're welcome! Glad it all worked out again. |
| 02:35.07 | tron | tech support on the rapids |
| 02:35.10 | dTal | Henry151: /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/stuff |
| 02:35.15 | dvs | davidebeatrici, I have my entry as a removable device |
| 02:35.26 | davidebeatrici | petn-randall: I also got rid of the two invalid header warnings at boot |
| 02:35.27 | Henry151 | All I need from my device is 1. a mobile broadband connection 2. durability and 3. ability to run the slack desktop app |
| 02:35.32 | Henry151 | dTal: thanks |
| 02:35.38 | davidebeatrici | Because I updated the BIOS |
| 02:35.52 | dTal | although on this machine it's BAT1, go figure |
| 02:35.55 | davidebeatrici | dvs: Because you have Debian on a USB key? |
| 02:36.18 | dvs | davidebeatrici, nope, they're both on an SSD |
| 02:36.26 | davidebeatrici | dvs: Weird |
| 02:36.36 | davidebeatrici | What motherboard do you have? |
| 02:36.45 | dvs | davidebeatrici, that's the only way I could get it to work |
| 02:36.46 | davidebeatrici | I see my Debian entry in UEFI Hard drive |
| 02:36.50 | davidebeatrici | Which is right |
| 02:37.07 | dvs | davidebeatrici, one is a ThinkPad E560 and the other is an Asus Z170 |
| 02:37.31 | tron | chinkpad |
| 02:37.47 | bazhang | tron what? |
| 02:37.51 | tron | nothing |
| 02:38.04 | tron | tech joke |
| 02:38.09 | davidebeatrici | dvs: Beautiful notebook |
| 02:38.20 | davidebeatrici | Did you try to update the BIOS? |
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| 02:38.22 | petn-randall | tron: Do you have a Debian support question? |
| 02:38.25 | bazhang | tron is that about lenovo being chinese? |
| 02:38.32 | dvs | davidebeatrici, it's awesome. Except for the keyboard I replaced today |
| 02:38.34 | tron | yes, noone replied |
| 02:38.36 | tron | yes |
| 02:38.46 | davidebeatrici | dvs: Did it broke? |
| 02:38.47 | bazhang | super |
| 02:39.02 | tron | cant get flash player to work with firefox, where do i put the libflashplayer.so so it'll work? |
| 02:39.06 | dvs | davidebeatrici, two of the keys "semi-popped out" |
| 02:39.23 | davidebeatrici | Ah, that's a classic on notebooks |
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| 02:39.37 | dvs | davidebeatrici, never happened before on me |
| 02:40.01 | davidebeatrici | Because you probably treat them well |
| 02:40.11 | davidebeatrici | But I have seen many, many notebooks with keys popped out |
| 02:40.22 | tron | abused notebooks |
| 02:41.04 | tron | no way that happens on accident |
| 02:41.09 | petn-randall | tron: You can install the flash player on chromium, I'd recommend not using it otherwise. |
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| 02:41.19 | tron | k thnx |
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| 02:42.54 | petn-randall | tron: Otherwise second hit googling for "libflashplayer.so": https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1030381 |
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| 02:46.43 | kaizoku | last night it was on a table, with the lid closed, after suspending with pm-suspend |
| 02:47.33 | kaizoku | I have been having some odd behavior with my trackpad. I'm not sure if it's related. |
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| 03:24.41 | Henry151 | heh I got back to a power outlet :D |
| 03:24.49 | Henry151 | now I have a new type of question |
| 03:25.36 | Henry151 | my laptop shut off by running out of battery; now I have some unforseen problems, specifically, my bash history from the last few hours is gone |
| 03:25.54 | Henry151 | any chance that I can recover it with a command, like maybe fsck? |
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| 03:26.35 | jmcnaught | it probably was not written to disk if bash never exited |
| 03:26.52 | Henry151 | ah. I see. |
| 03:27.13 | Henry151 | oh well, no major loss of data or anything, just have to re-figure out some commands I had just figured out |
| 03:27.34 | jmcnaught | start taking notes ;) |
| 03:28.08 | Henry151 | the one I was searching for I actually found just now by grepping through history; I had done it yesterday as well (an ssh connection that I was worried I wouldn't be able to recreate having not written down the details anywhere) |
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| 03:28.42 | Henry151 | jmcnaught: I do usually keep some notes :D |
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| 03:29.42 | Henry151 | wanna see my notefile actually? just for fun here it is http://termbin.com/rmop it will probably give you a good idea of where I am at in my "learning linux" journey :D |
| 03:31.14 | jmcnaught | Henry151: cool ⺠|
| 03:32.12 | Henry151 | funny how things work though; I find usually once I write a command in my notes file, then the very act of putting it there helps commit it to memory, and I don't usually have to actually go look in the notes to use it XD |
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| 03:33.29 | Henry151 | conversely, I usually only think to add something to notes, when I'm stuck and can't remember a command I have previously used, and think "darn it, I should've written that in my notes" |
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| 03:36.00 | Henry151 | so, I had asked earlier before my laptop ran out of battery, but didn't see any responses (maybe they came in after the battery died? not sure).. I was asking, when I run acpi my battery shows as 0% usually about 15 or 20 minutes before I actually run out of battery |
| 03:36.51 | Henry151 | is there any way to make that more accurate? either calibration of some sort, or other commands that might give a more accurate picture of my remaining battery life? |
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| 03:37.49 | Henry151 | I have been poking around in /sys/......power_supply which I've now forgotten where is because I lost my bash history and never wrote it in my notes XD |
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| 03:38.11 | dTal | that's usually at the platform level, see if the BIOS has a battery calibration thingy |
| 03:38.33 | dTal | and the path was /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/stuff |
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| 03:40.43 | Henry151 | dTal: thanks! I had just found my way back there a moment ago in my other terminal window, but I appreciate the guidance, especially repeat, I know it's annoying to teach somebody something and have them ask again a few hours later :D |
| 03:40.59 | Henry151 | I'll add it to my notes and then never need to look there for it again XD |
| 03:42.22 | dTal | no worries |
| 03:44.14 | Henry151 | so, I'll set that aside and check for a battery calibration thingy in my bios next time I reboot. I have another problem I'm facing if anybody wants to help -- I believe I have bluetooth hardware in this machine, but have been unable to get it to work so far. I don't remember or have written down the errors I was getting, but I remember that when I googled them, I found plenty of others in similar |
| 03:44.20 | Henry151 | situations. I'm going to try again now, if anybody wants to help me with it, I'll have my error messages ready in a few moments |
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| 03:46.37 | dTal | I can only point you in the general direction of the Debian wiki |
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| 03:46.48 | Henry151 | so, systemctl status bluetooth says http://termbin.com/jodn which looks all good to me. I think maybe the errors I had seen were when I did apt install bluetooth? but now it's installed already so I'm not sure how easy they will be to reproduce. I think the next step would be to install bluez and see if it works, unless anybody has advice to the contrary |
| 03:46.55 | Henry151 | dTal: thanks |
| 03:47.03 | Henry151 | debian is extremely well documented, in my opinion |
| 03:47.04 | dTal | https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
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| 03:52.07 | Henry151 | looking at that wiki page, I'm seeing it recommends gnome-bluetooth for gnome, bluedevil for kde, and blueman for Gtk2. I am running xfce. Any advice (from anybody) about which of these or which other option might be best for xfce? |
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| 03:59.30 | well_laid_lawn | Henry151: I'd go for blueman - gtk2 sounds best for xfce |
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| 04:35.13 | factor | I was wondering how do I get backports to work for raspberry pi jessie? |
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| 04:35.47 | factor | needing hte libicudata48 package. |
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| 04:39.18 | AlexLikeRock | factor, backport, are like strecth |
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| 04:39.53 | AlexLikeRock | so... , change your repos to stretch for a once time, then back to jessie |
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| 04:41.24 | factor | AlexLikeRock: So can I use the default back port of debian for raspberry pi |
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| 04:41.58 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 04:42.10 | AlexLikeRock | then , chang it back |
| 04:43.40 | factor | got it , thanks AlexLikeRock |
| 04:43.42 | AlexLikeRock | remember some packages from debian are little diferent from R-pi |
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| 04:52.16 | factor | AlexLikeRock: How can I find the back port. I need libicu48 |
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| 04:56.10 | AlexLikeRock | factor, wait -..... |
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| 04:57.06 | AlexLikeRock | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=+libicu48 factor |
| 04:57.17 | AlexLikeRock | download manual |
| 04:57.33 | factor | Looking |
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| 05:21.31 | AlexLikeRock | factor, do you work |
| 05:21.32 | AlexLikeRock | ? |
| 05:21.42 | AlexLikeRock | do you download ? |
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| 05:27.14 | factor | It worked I have it installed AlexLikeRock |
| 05:28.01 | AlexLikeRock | very good , |
| 05:28.03 | AlexLikeRock | GNU ! |
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| 05:35.34 | factor | :) |
| 05:35.52 | randomuser123123 | Is there anyone here who can help me with an issue which I have been encountering? |
| 05:36.41 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 05:36.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 05:36.45 | petn-randall | randomuser123123: ^^^ |
| 05:36.51 | randomuser123123 | ah thanks |
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| 05:41.33 | randomuser123123 | When I try to use some essential services (such as gpg) I run into an error message that reads as follows: gpg: symbol lookup error: gpg: undefined symbol: sqlite3_errstr. I'm running Kali GNU/Linux Rolling (which is based off debian) but I can't seem to find any answers in various forums specifically for said distro. If anyone has information on this subject, it would really help me out. |
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| 05:44.58 | well_laid_lawn | !kali |
| 05:44.58 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 05:45.03 | petn-randall | randomuser123123: ^^^ |
| 05:45.29 | randomuser123123 | thanks |
| 05:45.35 | Gekko | !based on debian |
| 05:45.35 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 05:48.06 | mcint | I'm having trouble with apt, it's not letting me install virtualbox from the instructions per https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
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| 05:48.59 | mcint | I have verified the download with their key manually with gpg, but apt gives an error when i try to update |
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| 05:53.52 | mcint | I'm also a little confused that the repo they ask to add says `deb [url] stretch contrib` in sources.list, but `deb [url] stretch InRelease` on download during apt update |
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| 06:17.16 | JOZYXQE | Why would stunnel4 make a new user during setup? (Newbie) |
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| 06:36.55 | JOZYXQE | Is it worrisome if an install package creates a new user/group? |
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| 06:40.19 | Hoolootwo | no |
| 06:40.24 | Hoolootwo | that's a security thing |
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| 06:41.01 | Hoolootwo | and also a general separation thing |
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| 06:46.42 | SwedeMike | https://serverfault.com/questions/847435/cant-change-opendkim-socket-in-debian-stretch-in-etc-default-opendkim is this typical? When upgrading from deb7 to deb8 and then to deb9, it's confusing that there seems to be some files in /etc/default that are no longer used, instead it's now systemd:s .system files that are used. Is this typical? |
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| 06:49.20 | rudi_s | SwedeMike: No. And there seems to be an open bug report #861169. And I find it weird that it uses a script to create a service file, that's definitely not typical. |
| 06:49.21 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/861169 in src:opendkim (open): «systemd service overrides opendkim.conf socket at start»; severity: important; opened: 2017-04-25; last modified: 2017-06-27. |
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| 06:49.59 | rudi_s | (The opendkim package has a few other quirks, like not using the the resolver in /etc/resolv.conf for example, there's another bug open for that.) |
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| 06:51.22 | SwedeMike | rudi_s: ok, thanks. It was very confusing there for a while, thanks for clearing that out. |
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| 07:01.29 | rudi_s | Yeah, I think it should be handled in a better way, but I don't know what the maintainer will do. |
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| 07:21.44 | dsc_ | how do I add firefox to my start menu in lxde? |
| 07:22.10 | dsc_ | I did `sudo ln -s /home/user/.firefox/firefox /usr/local/bin` |
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| 07:22.19 | dsc_ | I can start it from CLI but I need a start menu icon |
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| 07:28.30 | th0r | dsc_, I believe you will need a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications |
| 07:28.49 | dsc_ | then use it in `.config/lxpanel/LXDE/panels/panel` |
| 07:28.52 | dsc_ | prolly |
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| 08:41.06 | rikmen | hey guys, check my software http://fpga2.tk/ |
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| 08:42.31 | DoubleUrCoins | are you allowed to advertise like that |
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| 08:43.04 | hellyeah | !ask |
| 08:43.09 | hellyeah | ops |
| 08:43.15 | hellyeah | !msg xampp |
| 08:43.19 | jelly | dpkg: ping |
| 08:43.25 | hellyeah | dpkg: xampp |
| 08:43.39 | jelly | the bot seems to be a bit preoccupied. |
| 08:43.55 | hellyeah | :d |
| 08:44.14 | jelly | hellyeah: you can access the factoid database at ircbots.debian.net |
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| 08:44.28 | hellyeah | what is factoid? |
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| 08:44.58 | hellyeah | ah |
| 08:44.59 | hellyeah | sorry |
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| 08:49.46 | jelly | those short bits of text the bot remembers and can spew out are named factoids for some reason |
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| 09:04.27 | DoctorD90 | good morning! I updated from 8 to 9; my system has root and home encrypted with luks. After I insert the root password, (only now, after the update) it freezes for some couple of second (30 more or less), then write "Gave up waiting for suspended/resume device", and then normally asks for home password. Before the upgrade it wrote something about scanning for btfrs file system (not found because I dont use it)...any suggestiong to fix this |
| 09:04.27 | DoctorD90 | "wait"? |
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| 09:17.11 | rudi_s | DoctorD90: zcat /usr/share/doc/initramfs-tools/NEWS.Debian.gz|head -n20 |
| 09:17.27 | DoctorD90 | ok i run.... |
| 09:17.44 | rudi_s | Don't run commands you don't understand! |
| 09:17.58 | rudi_s | All it does is showing you the news entry of the initramfs-tools package. |
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| 09:22.50 | wantplay | ./ |
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| 09:25.50 | DoctorD90 | rudi_s infact I have seen zcat help before :D and it is very usefull!!! :D btw, im reading :) |
| 09:25.56 | DoctorD90 | rudi_s you are great! :D even if it seems strange to me....but maybe it is an issue while upgrading. When I installed from installer this doesnt happend :P btw...it will fix. Thank you! |
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| 09:27.24 | rudi_s | You're welcome ;-) |
| 09:27.43 | rudi_s | (I was a little confused by this change as well. But disabling it is easy once you know about it.) |
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| 09:29.35 | DoctorD90 | rudi_s i setted to auto. Because if I sent pc in hibernate mode closing che lid, it will crash on boot up once I open it. If it will give me error again, I will set to none :P many thanks |
| 09:30.45 | rudi_s | DoctorD90: Do you hibernate when you close the lid or just suspend? |
| 09:30.52 | rudi_s | (suspend = to ram, hibernate = to disk) |
| 09:30.59 | rudi_s | np |
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| 09:31.33 | DoctorD90 | in reality I dont remeber...It auto set it when debian 8 was isntalled...all by itself :P so i dont remeber :P but I think to ram... |
| 09:36.51 | rudi_s | DoctorD90: Normally closing the lid just suspends (often the laptop has an LED which blinks slower or similar) (and that's unrelated to that option). |
| 09:37.23 | rudi_s | So if you don't hibernate by using pm-hibernate or clicking on the hibernate button in your desktop environment you can most likely set this option to none, so it doesn't wait on boot. |
| 09:37.58 | rudi_s | (You can easily check if it suspends, just close the lid and reopen it again, if it's ready in a few seconds, it's supspended, if it takes longer it's hibernating.) |
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| 09:43.03 | DoctorD90 | so it suspend.....because it takes some seconds and I remeber that LED blink |
| 09:43.15 | DoctorD90 | I will try later :D |
| 09:43.20 | DoctorD90 | thx rudi_s |
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| 09:46.53 | rudi_s | np |
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| 09:56.10 | DoctorD90 | rudi_s suspend...it is very fast :P |
| 09:56.26 | DoctorD90 | rudi_s suspend...it is very fast :P |
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| 09:58.00 | BluesKaj | Hey folks |
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| 10:09.04 | rudi_s | ;-) |
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| 10:24.00 | vlt | Hello. How can I "map" several files in a concatenated way into a single block device? Is there some losetup magic? |
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| 10:25.36 | SwedeMike | vlt: is it ok if the files are modified before they're concatenated? In that case, it might work to create an mdadm linear array across the files. |
| 10:26.01 | vlt | SwedeMike: No, I need the files as they are now. |
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| 10:28.06 | rudi_s | vlt: First search engine hit: https://serverfault.com/questions/487670/concatenating-files-to-a-virtual-file-on-linux |
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| 10:28.25 | SwedeMike | rudi_s: I just found that one as well, was just about to paste it |
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| 10:42.40 | JyZyXEL | how do i see what is preventing it? |
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| 10:44.14 | rocketmagnet | hi all, i've a short question about the dock - why does some apps allow me to add them to the dock but other do not provide this option :( |
| 10:45.22 | rocketmagnet | i want weechat to be in my dock and create a correct weechat.desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ and i appears and starts but i see ne icons in my dock :( :( |
| 10:46.25 | towo^work | weechat is a cli programm |
| 10:47.22 | rocketmagnet | towo^work: what make the difference ? |
| 10:47.30 | rocketmagnet | s/make/makes/ |
| 10:47.34 | towo^work | a starter would not make many sense |
| 10:47.44 | towo^work | it needs a running terminal |
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| 10:48.14 | towo^work | so you would need to make a starter for a terminal which automatic starts weechat |
| 10:48.17 | rocketmagnet | i run weechat with "gnome-terminal -e "weechat" |
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| 10:51.05 | rocketmagnet | it's gettings started but i see no weechat in my dock |
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| 10:54.03 | towo^work | you would never see weechat in "your dock", whatever that is |
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| 10:54.25 | towo^work | you would se gnome-terminal, not more, not less |
| 10:54.35 | towo^work | and it works fine with the plank dock |
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| 11:03.36 | rocketmagnet | towo^work: hmpf, i've the gnome-terminal already in my dock so that might be the point why it doesn't show up, what can i do to howot anyway ? |
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| 11:06.56 | towo^work | you can't do anything |
| 11:07.19 | towo^work | such docks only showing x-apps, no cli programms |
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| 11:13.44 | rocketmagnet | towo^work: and what if i create a symlink and use the symlink ? |
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| 11:17.12 | towo^work | symlink to what? |
| 11:17.24 | towo^work | and a cli app stayes a cli app |
| 11:17.42 | towo^work | it will never show up in your secret dock |
| 11:19.18 | vlt | rudi_s, SwedeMike: Thank you! :-) |
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| 11:19.50 | pragomer | is there a way to get always the latest kde stable release in stretch? |
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| 11:22.59 | mavhq | rocketmagnet: I found https://gist.github.com/vibragiel/6712639 via google |
| 11:23.44 | jelly | pragomer: no |
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| 11:39.19 | Henry151 | so, I asked this last night, but now I'm scrolling for miles and can't find where I asked it/whether or not anybody had any responses (I fell asleep after asking :D) |
| 11:39.37 | Henry151 | looking at that wiki page, I'm seeing it recommends gnome-bluetooth for gnome, bluedevil for kde, and blueman for Gtk2. I am running xfce. Any advice (from anybody) about which of these or which other option might be best for xfce? |
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| 11:49.51 | Henry151 | this is the wiki page I'm looking at: https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
| 11:50.56 | jelly | presumably the gtk2 option, since xfce (still) uses gtk2 |
| 11:51.07 | Henry151 | jelly: ah! thanks |
| 11:51.12 | Henry151 | I didn't realize that |
| 11:51.25 | jelly | no idea if blueman is actually stable and working or not |
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| 11:52.05 | Henry151 | well I suppose I can try it :D |
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| 11:59.28 | Henry151 | ok folks; blueman gave me a graphical interface for my bluetooth |
| 11:59.43 | Henry151 | I successfully paired with the device, a BlueVibe headset |
| 11:59.50 | Henry151 | however, when I try to connect I'm getting an error |
| 11:59.55 | Henry151 | "protocol unavailable" |
| 12:00.00 | Henry151 | any ideas? |
| 12:01.23 | jelly | if you've got pulseaudio working, run pavucontrol and see if the device is now visible on output devices and input devices tabs |
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| 12:02.12 | wallbroken | hi |
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| 12:02.26 | wallbroken | is possible to update from 8 to 9 without reinstalling? |
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| 12:03.13 | jelly | wallbroken: yes |
| 12:03.17 | jolt | wallbroken: of course! Just change to stretch in /etc/apt/sources.list, run apt update, apt dist-upgrade and answer the questions. |
| 12:03.23 | jelly | dpkg: jessie->stretch |
| 12:03.24 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 12:03.26 | jolt | wallbroken: but it could be a good idea to read the documentation first |
| 12:03.28 | jolt | Just incase |
| 12:03.29 | jelly | jolt: no. |
| 12:03.47 | jolt | jelly: How the heck do you remember all of those+ |
| 12:03.48 | jelly | don't "apt", don't do it blindly |
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| 12:04.05 | wallbroken | the risk is that some stuff will not work? |
| 12:04.08 | jelly | and read the fine Release Notes |
| 12:04.23 | jolt | wallbroken: Thats why you should read the release notes. And take backups |
| 12:04.31 | jelly | most common risks are detailed... in the release notes for stretch |
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| 12:05.37 | jelly | but debian has had in-place release upgrades since forever. They mostly work. Lots of the issues are caused by upstream changes, not debian itself. |
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| 12:06.17 | jelly | 8->9 is less painful than 7->8 in my experience |
| 12:07.40 | jolt | I had some problems with a vps update, but that was because a crazy old kernel in vz |
| 12:07.54 | jolt | But overall, I think I've updated over 100 systems with no issue at all |
| 12:08.02 | jolt | So I would agree |
| 12:08.11 | wallbroken | what happens if i do not update? |
| 12:08.29 | jolt | wallbroken: You will eventually have outdated software with security holes in them |
| 12:08.45 | jelly | around 2018 or 2020 |
| 12:08.47 | jolt | wallbroken: And it would make it harder to upgrade between versions in the future |
| 12:09.19 | jolt | wallbroken: But you don't have to. We have legacy applications that will run on jessie for some more years |
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| 12:09.22 | jelly | it's not just harder. Release upgrades are ONLY supported from release N-1 to release N. No skipping. |
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| 12:31.32 | Posterdati | hi |
| 12:32.22 | Posterdati | please help, is there anyone using debian on raspberry pi 3 in 64bit, with bluetooth and wifi working? Thanks! |
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| 12:46.12 | jelly | Posterdati: perhaps ask in #debian-arm channel on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) |
| 12:46.33 | Posterdati | jelly: thanks licio jelly |
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| 12:49.44 | n0nada | Hey guys, I just set up an seafile server on my machine thats running Debian 8. I want seafile to autostart at boot, so I followed this document https://manual.seafile.com/deploy/start_seafile_at_system_bootup.html |
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| 12:50.28 | [k00l]JohnWartz | put it in your .xinitrc :^) |
| 12:50.30 | n0nada | But I think i need to change the permissions for that user/group or else it cant start the service because the user cant "see" the seafile.ini file |
| 12:51.01 | n0nada | what would be the best way to do this? |
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| 13:10.53 | dob1 | hi, the authorized_keys in .ssh dir is 600 permission, but what can someone do if he can read it? it's not just a public key? why it is 600 ? |
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| 13:11.27 | BluesKaj | Posterdati, not debian itself , but raspbian stretch here, had to regress to the jessie version of the bcm driver https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/53245/pi-3-raspbian-stretch-testing-disables-wifi |
| 13:12.21 | jolt | dob1: I think it's mainly information leak. they can search for it and find other hosts where that same key have access |
| 13:12.47 | jolt | dob1: and they can "prove" that you have access to a particular machine and so on |
| 13:13.43 | dob1 | jolt, ah ok, so it's just a public key, nothing that someone can use |
| 13:13.52 | dob1 | other than information leak |
| 13:14.11 | jolt | dob1: Exactly. It's nothing exploitable. At least not yet :D |
| 13:14.21 | dob1 | oh :) |
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| 13:18.21 | BluesKaj | jelly, there's also the the #raspberrypi chat here on freenode for rpi support |
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| 13:28.09 | lavenders | fresh install only over dvd images possible? i would like to use usb stick however, what to do? |
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| 13:29.04 | Iridos | dpkg, netinstall |
| 13:29.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 13:30.26 | lavenders | Iridos, are there disadvantages of the netinstall, like problems with uefi or cryptsetup luks partitions? |
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| 13:35.15 | BluesKaj | lavenders, the netinstall has the gui guided partitioning option |
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| 13:46.31 | Iridos | lavenders, they only have a base system on the disk⦠you install most packages directly from the net (and only the ones you really want to install)⦠else they should be pretty much the same |
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| 13:50.03 | Posterdati | BluesKaj: thanks |
| 13:50.45 | BluesKaj | Posterdati, np |
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| 13:59.39 | API | Hi |
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| 14:01.55 | ziongate | hi |
| 14:02.28 | ziongate | anyone here use wayland ? does it have sense to switch to use it in SID ? i use just simple programs as editors, console browser etc |
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| 14:18.51 | amdp | hi, will my upgrade to debian 9 wipe mysql 5.7 out of the system? |
| 14:19.07 | amdp | I didn't understand the mariadb stuff |
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| 14:19.21 | amdp | im upgrading from 8 to 9 |
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| 14:19.47 | babilen | amdp: You will upgrade from MySQL 5.5 to MariaDB 10.1 |
| 14:19.57 | Haohmaru | i need a certain program which is supposedly part of an ugly IDE, it comes for linux via a stupid .run installer which as far as i understand is made with "Makeself" .. the installer tells me to run it as root |
| 14:20.16 | Haohmaru | this is not a good thing, is it? |
| 14:20.51 | Haohmaru | ...it's a 490MB file |
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| 14:21.19 | amdp | babilen: I have a 5.7 mysql |
| 14:21.20 | babilen | Haohmaru: It could do anything and it is hard to say what unless you look at the code you are about to execute. Running it as root opens up all kind of issues, so only do that if you trust the people who published that .run |
| 14:21.31 | babilen | amdp: 5.7 isn't on Debian 8 |
| 14:21.33 | jelly | Haohmaru: can you be more specific? Which program? Which IDE? |
| 14:21.52 | amdp | babilen: this does not mean I don't have it installed on my Debian 8 :-) |
| 14:21.59 | Haohmaru | jelly, http://www.microchip.com/development-tools/downloads-archive |
| 14:22.02 | jelly | amdp: where did you get it from |
| 14:22.10 | Haohmaru | mplab X, the latest version |
| 14:22.33 | babilen | amdp: Sure, but if you have it installed from elsewhere it has no longer anything to do with Debian and you will have to check how those third-party packages will behave during the upgrade |
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| 14:22.35 | Haohmaru | but i only need one of its CLI programs, not the whole stupid IDE itself |
| 14:22.47 | amdp | babilen: I'm just asking: what is going to happen? jelly: following the mysql 7 webpage |
| 14:23.09 | Haohmaru | i think it's not worth it.. i have this sh*t on windows, and i hate to reboot so often, but i don't want to mess up my debian |
| 14:23.11 | amdp | babilen: ok thanks :-) |
| 14:23.40 | babilen | amdp: My guess would be "nothing", but that really depends on their packages and the way in which you adapt your MySQL setup for stretch. You might, for example, adapt sources.list entries |
| 14:23.50 | jelly | amdp: it's impossible to say what's going to happen unless you showmore details, eg. whether and how your installation is packaged |
| 14:24.14 | babilen | amdp: In the end you would have to try it |
| 14:24.45 | amdp | alright |
| 14:24.54 | amdp | database dump and try, right? |
| 14:24.59 | jelly | so... clone the system, do the release upgrade, see what happens |
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| 14:25.43 | jelly | amdp: I have no idea what "following the mysql 7 webpage" means. Did you add a custom repo and install from there? Which one? Did you install from a tarball? |
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| 14:26.26 | jelly | do the people running that repo have a repo for stretch now? |
| 14:26.33 | amdp | jelly: https://dev.mysql.com/get/mysql-apt-config_0.8.3-1_all.deb something like this |
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| 14:28.30 | babilen | amdp: So you have no repository, but installed .deb files manually? |
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| 14:28.31 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.12 | jelly | amdp: that's from the package's config install script. Note lack of "debianstretch" in that list |
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| 14:29.51 | ac_slater | sigh, guys, anyone have a nice gcc5 build for stretch? |
| 14:30.48 | tx | ? |
| 14:30.50 | jelly | amdp: so, wait until the vendor starts supporting stretch, I guess |
| 14:30.59 | tx | doesn't stretch use gcc5? |
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| 14:31.07 | jelly | ,v gcc |
| 14:31.08 | judd | Package: gcc on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; buster: 4:6.3.0-4d1; sid: 4:7.1.0-2 |
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| 14:31.20 | jelly | ^^ 6.3.0 |
| 14:31.23 | amdp | jelly: thanks :-) seems smart, how do I check? their web? |
| 14:32.18 | jelly | no idea, I imagine they might have some sort of support forum or contact details |
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| 14:32.46 | ac_slater | jelly: Thanks mate, though, I have someone distibuting libraries as object files built with gcc5 (which use an old c++ abi) |
| 14:33.13 | ac_slater | jelly: I guess I'll build from source :( |
| 14:33.27 | jelly | that was for tx, I don't have a helpful comment for you. Sorry |
| 14:33.53 | ac_slater | jelly: oh shit, sorry. I guess we both asked about gcc.... I missed his original question. All good |
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| 14:45.17 | tw | C++ ABI changes are why we implement in C++ and export as C at work. =( |
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| 14:47.24 | JK263 | !leftturn |
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| 14:48.31 | msl09 | have anyone ever had a process that is in running state and can't be killed? |
| 14:48.41 | msl09 | # kill -s 9 3877 root@17263-debian:/home/msl09# ps uax | grep 3877 msl09 3877 99.9 0.0 18188 2768 pts/1 R+ 11:29 19:56 find / -type d |
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| 14:48.50 | tw | How do you try to kill it? |
| 14:49.04 | msl09 | kill -s 9 3877 |
| 14:49.11 | greycat | Do you have any network file systems mounted? |
| 14:49.12 | msl09 | as root |
| 14:49.17 | msl09 | nope |
| 14:49.19 | greycat | Also STOP USING -9 |
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| 14:49.33 | msl09 | it wouldn't die with sigint |
| 14:49.38 | msl09 | and it's a find |
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| 14:50.27 | greycat | I do not know why it's not dying to regular signals. I would have expected it to appear in state D instead of state R if it's caught up in a device that can't be read (disconnected network mount, removable medium, etc.) |
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| 14:51.22 | msl09 | yeah |
| 14:51.27 | tw | R+ too, which means it's a foreground process. That's f'd up. |
| 14:51.41 | msl09 | I killed the parent and it's dead now |
| 14:51.46 | msl09 | the child |
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| 14:59.28 | msl09 | I tried executting again and now it's showing as D |
| 14:59.45 | greycat | That's normal for a heavy I/O process. |
| 15:00.09 | greycat | You'd expect it to spend a lot of time in D, and somewhat less time in R. |
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| 15:03.55 | msl09 | it's locking at a particular directory |
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| 15:05.03 | msl09 | a directory that's in the subtree of an aufs mountpoint |
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| 15:05.10 | msl09 | that I can't umount |
| 15:05.20 | msl09 | interesting |
| 15:05.22 | greycat | and so now the *real* question starts to emerge |
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| 15:07.08 | greycat | ECHAN |
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| 15:28.21 | max480p | i have installed debian 9 on an old laptop. I am only going to use the laptop browse the web, watch non hd videos/films, do some wordprocessing and printing them docs. what services that run by default shall i safely disable? |
| 15:31.26 | Ovius | max480p: why would you want to disable any? That's a pretty broad use case you have there |
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| 15:33.08 | max480p | to save memory, cpu resources. when i say disable services i mean services that that run by default which i neither need NOR use |
| 15:33.28 | greycat | Only you know what you don't use. |
| 15:33.47 | greycat | My suggestion would be to use a regular window manager instead of a desktop environment. |
| 15:34.07 | max480p | what is the command to know what services are running at present on my laptop? |
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| 15:34.15 | enyc | talking of desktops..... |
| 15:34.43 | enyc | upgrading jessie with MATE to stretch MATE ... having silly niggles now, windows closing themselves when clocked on in task bar etc. |
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| 15:35.09 | greycat | max480p: at the lower level, ps auxww; at the higher level, systemctl |
| 15:35.22 | greycat | you can also get a ps tree out of "systemctl status" |
| 15:36.03 | max480p | greycat, the old laptop is being currently used by me but it will soon be used by a 60 year old person who is not comfortable at all with a window manager or the command line |
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| 15:36.22 | greycat | Yay, changing problem specs. |
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| 15:38.54 | BluesKaj | max480p, heh I'm over 60 and use the cli every day...don't pigeonhole people |
| 15:39.02 | greycat | Do not waste any time trying to "optimize" the system by disabling random shit that the user will probably end up wanting. Focus solely on finding an interface that the user will not screw up. |
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| 15:40.00 | max480p | greycat, i am currently using mate and for the reason explained before the laptop can not have a window manager as its gui. How can i save memory and cpu resources? |
| 15:40.10 | th0r | amazing...two experts and not one answer to his question |
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| 15:41.13 | BluesKaj | max480p, lxde or xfce |
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| 15:41.53 | greycat | Why do we care what *you* are using when the system is *not for you*? |
| 15:42.57 | greycat | Figure out what interface will be comfortable for the intended user. If the user is accustomed to MS Windows then consider BluesKaj's answers. |
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| 15:43.37 | max480p | greycat, moreover, using dillo, netsurf or midori as a web browser is not an option. dillo does not render most webpages properly. netsurf does not load images of most webpages unless you click on them. midori crashes on a regular basis. the only two browsers that can be used are firefox and chromium which are the only 2 ones supported by debian securitywise |
| 15:43.46 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 15:44.09 | darsie | Why can't I find the package steam? sources.list: https://paste.debian.net/980622/ |
| 15:44.15 | greycat | !steam |
| 15:44.16 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
| 15:44.36 | darsie | thx ... |
| 15:45.15 | max480p | BluesKaj, I do not pidgeonhole people. I am talking about a particular person I personally know who is not comfortable with the command line, window managers, lxde and xfce |
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| 15:50.01 | max480p | greycat, i care because that 60 year old person is a family member who barely make ends meet and can not even afford buying accesories for the old laptop. i am also financially challenged. |
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| 15:51.39 | BluesKaj | being on fixed income is a bitch ....I'm a pensioner |
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| 15:54.26 | Bert_2 | Hi, I'm having xgrep issues, for some reason it's having issues with xmlns="http://ilk.uvt.nl/folia" but I'm not sure why, non of the tags and attributes I'm selecting have namespace prefixes, anyone got any experience with xgrep who can help me out? |
| 15:54.58 | max480p | greycat, BluesKaj: so what solutions can be implemented for that 60 year old person? those that can not are: window managers, xfce/lxde, dillo/netsurf/midori |
| 15:55.07 | BluesKaj | max480p, maybe this persom might take to the commandline if you show him a few easy commands juststart him off, one never knows |
| 15:55.27 | BluesKaj | just to start |
| 15:55.29 | max480p | i already did. that is not an option |
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| 15:58.10 | jmcnaught | max480p: there's probably nothing worth disabling. A service idling in the background isn't really going to impact performance anyways. |
| 15:58.21 | max480p | jmcnaught, ok |
| 15:58.55 | jmcnaught | max480p: you could look at using zram swap to add a little more memory (at the expense of some CPU cycles) if the computer is swapping to disk a lot |
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| 16:00.18 | BluesKaj | and the qtweb browser |
| 16:00.32 | max480p | the laptop is not swapping to disk a lot. |
| 16:01.07 | max480p | the qtweb browser is not supported by debian securitywise. only firefox and chromium are |
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| 16:01.27 | jmcnaught | BluesKaj: yeah stop suggesting browsers not covered by security policy |
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| 16:05.59 | Henry151 | I use firefox and links2 |
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| 16:06.08 | Henry151 | firefox is da best |
| 16:06.23 | Henry151 | btw what the heck is iceweasel? was that a kali-only thing or is it something else? |
| 16:06.44 | dob1 | it's firefox |
| 16:06.53 | Henry151 | yeah but why was it called iceweasel |
| 16:06.54 | sonOfRa | Henry151: due to licensing problems of the official mozilla artwork (mainly the logo, and well, the name), iceweasel is firefox repackaged without those things |
| 16:07.03 | Henry151 | sonOfRa: oh |
| 16:07.04 | Henry151 | I see |
| 16:07.25 | Henry151 | I thought Mozilla was pretty cool about all that stuff |
| 16:07.33 | Henry151 | they didn't want people using their logo? |
| 16:07.38 | greycat | It was called iceweasel during the period when Mozilla forbade people from applying ANY patches to their source code and still calling it Firefox. |
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| 16:07.54 | Henry151 | greycat: that explains it nicely |
| 16:07.57 | greycat | That policy was changed, so now it's called Firefox in Debian once again. |
| 16:08.00 | sonOfRa | Henry151: I'm not sure of the specifics. I think the problem was that when you patched firefox in some ways, you weren't allowed to call it by the official branding anymore, or something like that |
| 16:08.08 | Henry151 | I see |
| 16:08.08 | sonOfRa | seems consistent with what greycat just said. |
| 16:08.13 | Henry151 | sensible |
| 16:08.14 | enyc | Henry151: i suppose they wouldn't like probelmatically modifiei version still attributed to them, or something |
| 16:08.29 | Henry151 | also, can y'all explain to me what "firefox-esr" is? |
| 16:08.35 | enyc | extended-support-release |
| 16:08.39 | Henry151 | not to be entirely off-topic |
| 16:08.43 | max480p | how can i update the youtube-dl application supplied as a deb package by debian? it is somewhat oudated and had problems streaming a lot of videos using smtube. i got a forbidden message |
| 16:08.48 | Henry151 | extended-support-release |
| 16:08.50 | Henry151 | indeed |
| 16:08.56 | Henry151 | that seems fairly self-explanatory |
| 16:08.56 | enyc | bit like long-term-support version of distro etc |
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| 16:09.01 | greycat | It's an upstream-security-supported release branch that only undergoes a big change once every 10-12 months. |
| 16:09.17 | Henry151 | greycat: that is a perfectly clear explanation and now I understand. |
| 16:09.46 | enyc | max480p: http://packages.debian.org/youtube-dl would suggest, if you are using jessie you could apt-get -t jessie-backports install youtube-dl .... |
| 16:10.10 | greycat | So wait, his incompetent grandma/grandpa end user is going to run youtube-dl? |
| 16:10.12 | Henry151 | you just reminded me that I want to use youtube-dl to back up all my stuff I've ever uploaded to youtube |
| 16:10.31 | Henry151 | and videos people have made that included me |
| 16:11.06 | max480p | enyc, have you read my first message? it seems you have not. i am running debian 9 also known as stretch |
| 16:11.33 | Henry151 | I'm still mad about losing a particular video somebody made that had me in it, that they uploaded to vimeo, I always figured I could just watch it there and then one day it was gone and now I haven't got a copy of it.. I asked him to send me a copy or re-upload it and he refused, he was mad at me about something, I never really understood what it was all about (I had done work on his motorcycle, the |
| 16:11.39 | Henry151 | video was about the shop I was running at the time) |
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| 16:11.52 | BCMM | Henry151: mozilla is pretty cool with source code licensing, but they protect the trademark carefully. this is largely because, in the early days of the project, somebody was distributing unofficial adware-filled versions and they had no legal recourse |
| 16:12.07 | Henry151 | BCMM: that makes sense |
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| 16:12.30 | enyc | max480p: ok maybe didnt see that bit ... i saw 'supplied as a deb package by debian'... not saying veriosn |
| 16:12.41 | LtL | max480p: try, youtube-dl -U |
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| 16:13.00 | greycat | *shrug* maybe it's an unrelated question |
| 16:13.34 | jmcnaught | hmm⦠i don't think youtube-dl -U is a good idea with the packaged version |
| 16:14.03 | BluesKaj | jmcnaught, security policy ? |
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| 16:14.29 | LtL | jmcnaught: possibly not, i forget how i installe it, i believe it was a repo package and it updates perfectly |
| 16:14.48 | max480p | enyc, i did what you told me and got: It looks like you installed youtube-dl with a package manager, pip, setup.py or a tarball. Please use that to update. |
| 16:14.59 | jmcnaught | BluesKaj: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#browser-security the release notes is full of stuff you want to know, especially if helping others here |
| 16:15.31 | darsie | Should I do 'aptitude install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386' to heal 'You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run: libGL.so.1' It has dependency issues: https://paste.debian.net/980631/ |
| 16:16.15 | max480p | is anyone here currently using smtube on debian 9? |
| 16:16.38 | enyc | max480p: hrrm yes and looking at packages site, that is the last version ever releasesd officially in debiat packaging |
| 16:17.07 | jmcnaught | max480p: using youtube-dl + mpv on stretch, youtube videos work for me |
| 16:17.26 | BluesKaj | jmcnaught, that's unfortunate for users looking for lightweight browsers on debian , chrome and FF aren't exactly a good fit |
| 16:17.29 | darsie | aptitude also has other resolutions. |
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| 16:19.30 | darsie | Will it mess up the nvidia drivers I just installed? |
| 16:21.02 | enyc | max480p: there might be some other repository (equivalent of a PPA in ubuntu-style-terminoligy) if you REALLY need anewer version as a 'package' |
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| 16:21.08 | jmcnaught | darsie: how did you install the nvidia drivers? does apt-get have the same resolution as aptitude? |
| 16:21.13 | enyc | max480p: but as othersy saying it may just need some other package / setting to work right |
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| 16:22.21 | jmcnaught | max480p: http://paste.debian.net/980632/ <-- also in the paste youtube-dl has had newer versions in backports, but the one in stretch is only three months old |
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| 16:23.21 | max480p | jmcnaught, what i want to do with smtube is *streaming* youtube videos that are available in 720p *and lower NON hd resolutions*. In fact i only want to stream them videos at 360p. On smtube, i tried youtube-dl+mpv but the video was streamed in hd making it unplayable on the old laptop |
| 16:23.33 | jmcnaught | s/also in the paste/also in the past/ |
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| 16:24.15 | max480p | jmcnaught, is the laptop you tried your advice on over a decade old? |
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| 16:24.51 | jmcnaught | max480p: you should take a break if you're getting frustrated. Look at --ytdl-format= in the mpv man page |
| 16:28.30 | darsie | jmcnaught: Like this: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_9_.22Stretch.22 . No, it just lists the recommended packages (that can't be installed): https://paste.debian.net/980635/ I also included the second aptitude resolution which I would try. |
| 16:29.01 | max480p | jmcnaught, manpages are rather cryptic for desktop newbies like me and they are certainly not understood by the 60 year old person I talked about in previous messages. Moreover, there is no mention of smtube in the mpv manpage |
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| 16:31.48 | BluesKaj | manpages are useless without examples to most ordinary users |
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| 16:32.28 | max480p | jmcnaught, an smtube tutorial for debian 9 that actually explains how to stream youtube videos at 360p using youtube-dl+mpv is what i would need. so far, i have not found any |
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| 16:35.15 | dontknow | max480p, you can add "ytdl-format=18" in your mpv config |
| 16:35.34 | dontknow | after that it will play 360p |
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| 16:36.12 | dob1 | but how old is this laptop ? |
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| 16:39.34 | zuiss1 | speaking of smtube does anyone know if the "update youtube code" option actually does anything? it doesn't update it past 2017-05 version for me when i select it |
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| 16:42.01 | max480p | zuiss1, indeed! |
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| 16:44.01 | zuiss1 | i'm guessing it's because it can't update past the version of youtube-dl in debian stable |
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| 16:49.12 | darsie | the installation breaks the nvidia driver :( |
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| 16:55.52 | darsie | reinstalled nvidiasdriver. I just hope xorg will run when I reboot ... |
| 16:55.59 | darsie | nvidia-driver* |
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| 16:56.45 | g0zzy | When you get to load firmware from removable media on installation, in what form is the installer expecting it - a package? |
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| 16:59.23 | cruncher | g0zzy, no, the firmware files themselves, under /firmware |
| 17:00.02 | max480p | dontknow, thank you! that solved the 360p issue as far as smtube is concerned. thank you |
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| 17:03.56 | mmoreno80 | hello there! need some help; I have configured openvpn and it works properly when I started it from the command line; but it doesn't work with systemd ... it shows: Active: active (exited) since Wed 2017-08-09 17:00:46 UTC. could you point me to the right direction? I cannot make it work with systemd on debian ... |
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| 17:07.20 | darsie | 'aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-driver' did not successfully install the legacy driver. The current driver ignores my card. I'm at the console. Any ideas? nouvou? |
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| 17:11.15 | darsie | I was hoping that Kerbal Space Program might work better with stretch, but I couldn't even install steam without breaking xorg. Might work better with Ubuntu, but I don't really want that. |
| 17:11.25 | g0zzy | cruncher: Thanks |
| 17:12.46 | teraflops | mmoreno80: server or client? |
| 17:13.21 | g0zzy | cruncher: So is the installer expecting $REMOVABLE_MEDIUM/firmware/foo.fw or $REMOVABLE_MEDIUM/foo.fw ? |
| 17:13.36 | cruncher | g0zzy, the former |
| 17:13.37 | teraflops | mmoreno80: if client, which network management tool are you using? |
| 17:13.40 | g0zzy | OK |
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| 17:14.03 | darsie | I could reinstall debian and try again, but damn, it was so much work so far. |
| 17:14.06 | jelly | darsie: if you need legacy, don't install nvidia-driver but nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver or whichever you need |
| 17:14.18 | cruncher | g0zzy, if the firmware files had a folder structure, make sure to recreate it as well under /firmware |
| 17:14.43 | jelly | darsie: if you install and run nvidia-detect, what does it say? |
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| 17:15.51 | darsie | jelly: Ok, but libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 needed it. |
| 17:16.10 | darsie | or requested it. |
| 17:16.54 | g0zzy | cruncher: sorry to bug you. So not $REMOVABLE_MEDIUM/lib/firmware/htc_7010.fw ? |
| 17:17.05 | darsie | jelly: nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver |
| 17:17.20 | cruncher | g0zzy, no :) like i said i confirmed already, /firmware |
| 17:17.45 | g0zzy | Seems odd that it won't just accept the package |
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| 17:17.53 | jelly | darsie: you don't need libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 either, but again the legacy variant |
| 17:18.18 | jelly | (the -driver package is supposed to pull it all in) |
| 17:18.29 | mmoreno80 | teraflops: server |
| 17:18.35 | darsie | And I asked if proceeding with the installation wolud mess up my driver, but no one replied or so. |
| 17:18.47 | mmoreno80 | teraflops: I have configured it on ubuntu, so isn' |
| 17:18.47 | darsie | jelly: I need it for steam. |
| 17:18.52 | teraflops | mmoreno80: how did you enable the service? |
| 17:18.59 | mmoreno80 | teraflops: *isn't a configuration thing |
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| 17:19.06 | teraflops | mmoreno80: how did you enable the service?^ |
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| 17:19.15 | mmoreno80 | teraflops: service openvpn start ? |
| 17:19.20 | teraflops | r0ng |
| 17:19.27 | mmoreno80 | teraflops: didn't do anything else . |
| 17:19.44 | jelly | darsie: if steam depends on exactly libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 and no alternative, then said steam package is broken |
| 17:19.57 | teraflops | you did it wrong |
| 17:20.00 | teraflops | mmoreno80^ |
| 17:20.06 | darsie | nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver is already installed. |
| 17:20.10 | jelly | that, however, is unlikely, as I had steam running with intel gpu |
| 17:20.21 | darsie | tries reinstalling ... |
| 17:20.34 | jmcnaught | mmoreno80: put a 'myopenvpn.conf' file in /etc/openvpn/, then 'systemctl start openvpn@myopenvpn' |
| 17:20.45 | jelly | darsie: do you have a 32bit or 64bit installations? |
| 17:21.16 | jelly | if this steam thing is 32bit you're going to need most (but not all) :i386 packages for nvidia stuff |
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| 17:21.20 | mmoreno80 | jmcnaught: checking |
| 17:21.21 | teraflops | mmoreno80: edit the config file properly at /etc/openvpn/server.conf, then enable the service: systemctl enable openvpn@server |
| 17:21.31 | darsie | jelly: 64 with multiarch. |
| 17:21.58 | jelly | darsie: and you're trying to install 64bit steam, right? |
| 17:21.59 | teraflops | is getting slow |
| 17:22.04 | darsie | xorg won't start. I think there may be some 'alternatives' installed or so. |
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| 17:22.37 | mmoreno80 | teraflops: no changes ... |
| 17:22.40 | jelly | darsie: probably need to reboot if the kernel loaded the regular nvidia-driver bits on this boot |
| 17:22.45 | darsie | jelly: I'm not sure. 64bit would be great. I just did aptitude install steam. |
| 17:22.52 | jelly | ,v steam |
| 17:22.52 | g0zzy | Thanks again cruncher |
| 17:22.53 | judd | No package named 'steam' was found in amd64. |
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| 17:22.58 | greycat | !steam |
| 17:22.58 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
| 17:23.01 | darsie | reboots ... |
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| 17:23.25 | jelly | ,v steam --arch i386 |
| 17:23.26 | judd | Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.49-1; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2; buster/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2; stretch/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2 |
| 17:23.34 | jelly | ah, it actually is 32bit-only |
| 17:24.01 | jmcnaught | mmoreno80: look at "systemctl status openvpn@nameofmyconf' |
| 17:24.03 | teraflops | mmoreno80: look at the logs, check is such service is enabled and running |
| 17:24.14 | teraflops | heh |
| 17:24.33 | jelly | so they're going to need umm... libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx:i386 and possibly other :i386 stuff |
| 17:24.44 | mmoreno80 | jmcnaught: it is running. |
| 17:24.45 | teraflops | jmcnaught: sorry man it's half lag, half I'm getting slow |
| 17:24.47 | jelly | er. libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx:i386 |
| 17:24.51 | jelly | gives up |
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| 17:25.29 | jmcnaught | teraflops: jinx! |
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| 17:26.07 | mmoreno80 | jmcnaught, teraflops: I get it working. |
| 17:26.08 | jmcnaught | mmoreno80: please use http://paste.debian.net/ and show us the output of that status command, and also 'journalctl -u openvpn@myconf' |
| 17:26.08 | darsie | xorg still won't start. still has the current driver. |
| 17:26.38 | teraflops | mmoreno80: so it worked? |
| 17:26.45 | mmoreno80 | jmcnaught: I wasn't using the @server thing ... |
| 17:26.48 | darsie | There was some 'forcing' done during the installation of the drivers, cause the previous ones were broken. |
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| 17:26.59 | mmoreno80 | teraflops: It works. |
| 17:27.00 | mmoreno80 | :D |
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| 17:27.57 | darsie | I'll see if nouvou works. Did I spell that right? |
| 17:28.03 | teraflops | mmoreno80: @thispart has to match the config file name at /etc/openvpn, since there are there a client.conf and server.conf by default (iirc) I just picked defaults |
| 17:28.12 | mmoreno80 | teraflops: jmcnaught: you really help me a lot, guys. I being trying to get this done since yesterday. I really appreciate your help! |
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| 17:29.00 | jmcnaught | darsie: nouveau, it means new in French. It should already be installed, you may need to purge all of the nvidia packages to use it though (or at least remove the blacklist file from /etc/modprobe.d/) |
| 17:29.11 | teraflops | mmoreno80: this is how openvpn works now (upstream too), so no idea which ubuntu version or init system you were using |
| 17:29.37 | jmcnaught | darsie: by the way xorg failing to start sounds more like DKMS failed to compile your modules than a problem with correct version of libraries but I didn't pay attention to your full story |
| 17:29.58 | mmoreno80 | teraflops: it is an older ubuntu. just mention it to discard the openvpn's configuration itself. |
| 17:30.05 | teraflops | ok |
| 17:30.11 | mmoreno80 | teraflops: I mean, to focus just on systemd/debian |
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| 17:32.21 | ac_slater | Hey guys, I asked about this the other day... what would you guys do to get gcc5 on stretch? Build from source (use the same build procedure as jessie?)? |
| 17:32.41 | greycat | I'd probably just build upstream source. |
| 17:33.12 | ac_slater | greycat: yea I was thinking that too |
| 17:33.14 | ac_slater | thanks mate |
| 17:34.32 | ac_slater | greycat: do you think I'll have any issues if I keep gcc5 in /opt for example? |
| 17:34.51 | greycat | Sounds perfectly safe to me. |
| 17:35.06 | ac_slater | the whole ordeal with gcc6's new ABI has be stressed out. I want both gcc5 and gcc6 available, but I don't want them to interfere :( |
| 17:35.12 | ac_slater | s/be/me |
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| 17:43.58 | eric_____ | So I ran apt-get update and it worked fine. clean returned no output. Install or upgrade freeze apt so I can't even kill it, I need to restart the server. What could be wrong? Where are logs for this kind of thing? |
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| 17:44.39 | greycat | What do you mean "install freezes apt"? What command are you typing, and what happens? |
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| 17:47.03 | eric_____ | sudo apt-get install x. The terminal freezes, and when I use ps aux, I see 2 processes under apt- the command as sudo and the normal command. Killing them doesn't do anything. |
| 17:47.32 | mr__tea | kill -9 eric_____ ? |
| 17:47.48 | eric_____ | I tried sigterm and sigkill |
| 17:47.54 | greycat | You're sure you didn't accidentally hit Ctrl-S or something? |
| 17:47.54 | eric_____ | Is 9 one of them? |
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| 17:48.03 | eric_____ | Uh yes |
| 17:48.12 | greycat | Please STOP USING -9. Forever. It does not exist. It never existed. |
| 17:48.18 | eric_____ | I've tried this multiple times, and have restarted a lot as a result |
| 17:48.31 | eric_____ | What is 9? |
| 17:49.07 | mr__tea | greycat: heh I just used it :) |
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| 17:49.14 | mr__tea | and ill use it again! |
| 17:49.22 | Photon | Oh sigkill |
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| 17:50.09 | Photon | Yeah so right now ssh is just frozen in that terminal. |
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| 17:50.31 | mr__tea | everything is phrozen! |
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| 17:51.04 | Photon | Looks almost as if ssh is entirely |
| 17:51.37 | Photon | Ok so now I'm basically locked out. |
| 17:51.51 | jmcnaught | Photon: are you inside GNU screen, can you switch windows? Can you open a new ssh login? |
| 17:52.49 | Photon | Tmux. I tried to ssh in and it's not allowing me to. Gotta go beback later |
| 17:53.00 | GTAXL | Can someone help me with this? https://pastebin.com/raw/kuDxyuTm :s |
| 17:53.50 | Ovius | greycat: why? |
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| 17:55.01 | greycat | SIGKILL (-9) denies the process the ability to clean up its temporary files, shared memory segments, etc. It leaves behind whatever mess the system was in when you dropped the nuclear fucking missile on it. |
| 17:55.34 | greycat | It is generally better to reboot, and you will often have to reboot *anyway* if something is "ignoring" SIGTERM because it's probably a stuck NFS file system, SCSI tape drive, other hardware, whatever. |
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| 17:56.02 | darsie | ok, xorg is running with the vesa driver. |
| 17:56.43 | enyc | greycat: what seems to be lest known is kill (-TERM) default and kill (-QUIT) "second level" .... |
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| 17:56.56 | enyc | in some cases QUIT works where TERM doesn't, without requiring KILL(-9) |
| 17:57.04 | NapoleonWils0n | hi all |
| 17:57.15 | NapoleonWils0n | just installed urbanterror but i have no sound |
| 17:57.30 | NapoleonWils0n | im just using alsa and i have this in my ~/.bashrc export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=alsa |
| 17:57.31 | greycat | It's not a matter of "levels". If TERM doesn't cause an immediate process termination, either the process's cleanup takes a while and you're not patient enough, or there is a software bug, or there is a KERNEL or HARDWARE level problem. |
| 17:57.44 | NapoleonWils0n | sure that used to work, need to kill some nazis |
| 17:58.14 | greycat | Or it's just a bizarre process, like uwsgi, whose default configuration treats TERM like HUP or something. But you can change that. |
| 17:58.37 | NapoleonWils0n | do i need something like libsdl-sound1.2 |
| 17:59.50 | jmcnaught | darsie: after you did what? |
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| 18:00.23 | jmcnaught | NapoleonWils0n: please try to finish a though before hitting enter. There is no 80 column limit on IRC |
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| 18:01.14 | FinalX | wait, there's not? MY LIFE IS A LIE! |
| 18:01.17 | FinalX | :) |
| 18:01.22 | jmcnaught | NapoleonWils0n: did you remove PulseAudio? Was sound working before you did that? |
| 18:01.37 | NapoleonWils0n | i dont have pulseaudio installed, just alsa |
| 18:01.56 | NapoleonWils0n | i have export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=alsa in my ~/.bashrc which is supposed to work |
| 18:03.11 | greycat | NapoleonWils0n: what application are you talking about, and do you run it from a bash shell? |
| 18:04.14 | darsie | jmcnaught: Something like this https://paste.debian.net/980648/ including downloading steam from steampowered.com. |
| 18:04.39 | NapoleonWils0n | http://www.urbanterror.info/home/ |
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| 18:05.04 | NapoleonWils0n | and i start it via the command line |
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| 18:05.40 | darsie | Maybe it's easiest to just reinstall debian. I just installed it yesterday and can make a backup of my home dir. |
| 18:05.49 | NapoleonWils0n | i get Alsa lib pcm_hw invalid value for card |
| 18:06.00 | NapoleonWils0n | sdl audio driveer is unknown |
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| 18:08.18 | darsie | prepares the reinstall ... |
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| 18:08.21 | jmcnaught | darsie: i meant more how did you get from xorg doesn't start a few minutes ago to using the vesa driver now. You probably don't need to reinstall, but if you think it would be quicker too than to untangle what's going on here then it might not be a bad idea. |
| 18:08.44 | Macieko0 | i have question - on web page il must buy ssl certificate or i can generate self ?? its possible ?? |
| 18:09.00 | darsie | jmcnaught: I put the vesa driver in xorg.conf |
| 18:09.42 | jmcnaught | Macieko0: https://letsencrypt.org/ there is a certbot package in stretch and jessie-backports |
| 18:10.02 | NapoleonWils0n | was about to say lets encypt |
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| 18:10.52 | jmcnaught | darsie: i would purge every package that has 'nvidia' in its name, and the steam package you downloaded, and delete any xorg.conf files you have created |
| 18:11.53 | jmcnaught | NapoleonWils0n: does sound work for anything? |
| 18:13.12 | NapoleonWils0n | yes audio works fine mate, its just with urbanterror i dont get any audio |
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| 18:13.41 | NapoleonWils0n | i have libsdl for audio and all the packages you need to run urbanterror |
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| 18:14.14 | NapoleonWils0n | urbanterror has a commandline installer that installs the game, i can launch the game just dont get any sound |
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| 18:14.41 | NapoleonWils0n | really good game if you guys havent tried it |
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| 18:16.24 | jmcnaught | NapoleonWils0n: are you launching the game from a terminal, or from a menu? |
| 18:16.48 | BluesKaj | NapoleonWils0n, usually there are audio settings within the game that might need some tweaking |
| 18:16.49 | NapoleonWils0n | launching the game from the terminal, it doesnt have a desktop launcher |
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| 18:18.23 | jmcnaught | NapoleonWils0n: show us the error in a paste |
| 18:19.01 | NapoleonWils0n | no log mate |
| 18:19.22 | firespeaker | I just did a dist-upgrade (debian unstable) and when I restarted my system, cinnamon and nemo stopped responding to certain settings in the settings manager: desktop background, theme, trackpad scroll direction, etc. |
| 18:19.24 | jmcnaught | NapoleonWils0n: where did you see the error then? |
| 18:19.43 | jmcnaught | firespeaker: #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is where unstable support happens |
| 18:19.44 | NapoleonWils0n | in the terminal after i close the game |
| 18:19.50 | firespeaker | thanks jmcnaught |
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| 18:19.57 | NapoleonWils0n | so not a log file as such just an error message |
| 18:20.23 | NapoleonWils0n | error is Alsa lib pcm_hw invalid value for card |
| 18:20.33 | NapoleonWils0n | sdl audio driver is unknown |
| 18:20.52 | greycat | It took 23 minutes to get this one line error message. :-/ |
| 18:21.04 | jmcnaught | and it looks paraphrased⦠|
| 18:21.12 | NapoleonWils0n | no i mentioned it at the start greycat |
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| 18:22.33 | greycat | When you paste your error into google, possibly with "urban terror" as additional key words, do you find other people who had the same issue and solved it? |
| 18:23.25 | jmcnaught | I wouldn't be surprised if some other program is using the soundcard, blocking the game from using it, which is exactly the problem that PulseAudio solves |
| 18:23.51 | NapoleonWils0n | the error goes back almost 10 years, i have got it working before with just alsa |
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| 18:25.07 | NapoleonWils0n | just wondering if it cant find the SDL Audiodriver becuase im launching from the command line |
| 18:25.27 | greycat | Does the game have a support forum? An IRC channel somewhere? |
| 18:25.30 | NapoleonWils0n | ill try making a desktop launcher and see if that resolves the issue, dont want to install pulseaudio |
| 18:25.56 | NapoleonWils0n | greycat had a look at the forum was wondering if they have an irc channel was just about to check |
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| 18:40.15 | Photon | So I'm back with the problem of apt-get install freezing apt beyond sigkill every time I use it. |
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| 18:42.23 | jhutchins_wk | Photon: Do aptitude, dpkg, and apt run correctly? |
| 18:43.01 | Photon | Not sure |
| 18:43.51 | Photon | Ok so I let apt-get upgrade run for like an hour and a half and it just let me install a pakage |
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| 18:46.31 | Photon | I take that back, it showd me the info for the files I wanted to install, and froze again when I told it to start. |
| 18:46.32 | jmcnaught | Photon: anything in the logs? apt and dpkg have logs in /var/log, there's also syslog there. You could also try running "journalctl -f" and watching it while you run apt-get |
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| 18:47.00 | Photon | No journal files found. I'll look into /var/log |
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| 18:51.15 | bezaban | ,v yumbootstrap |
| 18:51.16 | judd | No package named 'yumbootstrap' was found in amd64. |
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| 18:52.28 | waynr | howdy folks |
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| 18:53.03 | waynr | can anyone tell me how i can inspect the dependency tree to determine why a particular package is being installed when i don't specify it in my 'apt install' command line? |
| 18:53.29 | greycat | !aptitude why |
| 18:53.29 | dpkg | aptitude has "why" and "why-not". "aptitude why package1" shows why package1 may have been installed. "aptitude why package1 package2" tries to work out why installing package1 would drag in package2. "why-not" looks at conflicts. These commands only provide one possible explanation. Check /var/log/aptitude for definitive information. See <aptitude docs>. |
| 18:53.45 | waynr | greycat++ thanks! |
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| 18:54.36 | waynr | hmm wny would texlive-binaries recommend ruby i wonder |
| 18:55.05 | waynr | i bet my docker image would be significantly smaller without recommends |
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| 19:09.23 | waynr | dang man, without all the suggests or recommends the docker image is half the size |
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| 19:20.05 | darsie | is back with a fresh debian installation. |
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| 19:27.25 | darsie | Could installing steam instead of steam:i386 have cause the dependency problems? |
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| 19:37.27 | nkuttler | ,v steam |
| 19:37.28 | judd | No package named 'steam' was found in amd64. |
| 19:37.42 | nkuttler | darsie: it's only in i386 |
| 19:38.00 | darsie | so aptitude install steam should be fine? |
| 19:38.15 | nkuttler | what was your original question anyway? |
| 19:38.22 | darsie | Could installing steam instead of steam:i386 have cause the dependency problems? |
| 19:38.30 | nkuttler | yeah, which problem? |
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| 19:39.12 | darsie | well, in asked for an i386 gl library and installing that drew in the current nvidia driver over the legacy... |
| 19:39.24 | nkuttler | mmh |
| 19:39.55 | nkuttler | no idea about that, but ask in #steamlug |
| 19:40.01 | darsie | ok |
| 19:40.17 | darsie | rebooting with legacy nvidia driver ... |
| 19:40.42 | nkuttler | which gl lib anyway? |
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| 19:41.47 | darsie | You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run: libGL.so.1 |
| 19:42.30 | darsie | we'll see if that happens again. I reinstalled debian after falling back to the console and vesa xorg driver. |
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| 19:47.11 | forcerecon | who wants to know about steam |
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| 19:47.24 | darsie | ok, I'm getting 7500 fps with glxgears |
| 19:48.03 | forcerecon | I just did this and for what its worth.. it will only run games ported for linux |
| 19:48.03 | forcerecon | they run well.. insurgency is pretty cool.. there are some other OLDER games that function properly |
| 19:48.08 | forcerecon | but nothing new worthwhile, but I guess that is biased |
| 19:49.06 | forcerecon | https://benchmark.unigine.com/superposition?lang=en - try this one |
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| 19:50.43 | jmcnaught | darsie: if you are using an nvidia-legacy driver then you need to install the corresponding libgl1-nvidia-legacy⦠library. Look at 'apt-cache search -n libgl1' |
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| 19:53.38 | darsie | sorry to repeat this ... <jmcnaught> darsie: if you are using an nvidia-legacy driver then you need to install the corresponding libgl1-nvidia-legacy⦠library. Look at 'apt-cache search -n libgl1' |
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| 19:58.24 | forcerecon | 301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 90.197 FPS |
| 19:58.52 | Bert_2 | Hi, I'm having xgrep issues, for some reason it's having issues with xmlns="http://ilk.uvt.nl/folia" but I'm not sure why, none of the tags and attributes I'm selecting have namespace prefixes, anyone got any experience with xgrep who can help me out? |
| 19:59.14 | forcerecon | does that even make sense? |
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| 20:02.12 | Bert_2 | forcerecon: well, the problem doesn't make sense, that's why I'm looking for help :( |
| 20:02.17 | forcerecon | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM204 [GeForce GTX 980] (rev a1) |
| 20:02.27 | Bert_2 | oh woops, that wasn't for me |
| 20:02.28 | Bert_2 | my bad |
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| 20:04.16 | darsie | Ok, I'm now doing 'aptitude install steam' and not steam:i386 as dpkg says. |
| 20:05.21 | darsie | Ahh, it says: Note: selecting "steam:i386" instead of the virtual package "steam" |
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| 20:09.25 | forcerecon | okay.. how about we take it slow |
| 20:09.25 | forcerecon | lspci | grep -E "VGA|3D" |
| 20:09.29 | forcerecon | what do you get back from that in terminal |
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| 20:11.27 | forcerecon | then try this |
| 20:11.27 | forcerecon | sudo ln -s /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 20:11.47 | forcerecon | then run sudo apt-get install -y steam |
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| 20:12.18 | wondiws | when creating a deb package, is it possible to make an installation menu in it? |
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| 20:13.46 | forcerecon | I have to run out in like 10 minutes.. let me know if anything works |
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| 20:14.31 | Macieko0 | wondiws: its possible, see in documentation debian packages |
| 20:14.53 | wondiws | Macieko0, where is that? |
| 20:15.22 | Macieko0 | maybe here :https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/menu.html/ ? |
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| 20:21.54 | darsie | Steam says: "You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run: libGL.so." libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx:386 doesn't exist. "aptitude install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386" messed up my installation. What do I do? |
| 20:22.33 | darsie | messed up my installation last time. I reinstalled debian now. |
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| 20:23.08 | darsie | I asked in #steamlug first. |
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| 20:27.12 | Macieko0 | darsie: try dpkg --add-architecture i386 (on 64 bit), and install packages |
| 20:27.17 | ac_slater | darsie: why not use steamOS? Just curious |
| 20:27.33 | peterrooney | ,v steam |
| 20:27.34 | judd | No package named 'steam' was found in amd64. |
| 20:27.48 | greycat | !steam |
| 20:27.49 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
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| 20:28.27 | darsie | Macieko0: I did that already. |
| 20:29.18 | darsie | greycat: thx, I'm following that, but it didn't work out last time. |
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| 20:29.40 | RapTorsLair000 | hello |
| 20:30.17 | darsie | ac_slater: dunno. Does it run on Linux? |
| 20:30.54 | ac_slater | darsie: steamOS is steam's debian distro made for running steam |
| 20:31.02 | ac_slater | it's literally debian + some userspace stuff + steam |
| 20:31.32 | ac_slater | it's what 'steam machines' run |
| 20:31.40 | darsie | ic. So I'd have to boot that and not have thunderbird, firefox, IRC running. Or completely switch to steamOS ... |
| 20:31.52 | ac_slater | but I've had no issues with steam on debian personally |
| 20:32.13 | darsie | steam worked on jessie. I upgraded to stretch. |
| 20:32.16 | ac_slater | darsie: if you're making a dedicated steam box, I would use it. But if you want steam on your regular debian desktop, carry on - I think you'll figure it out |
| 20:32.28 | ac_slater | I have it on stretch working just fine with nvidia |
| 20:32.41 | darsie | I have a legacy nvidia card. |
| 20:32.55 | ac_slater | darsie: ooooh |
| 20:33.00 | ac_slater | darsie: that might complicate things |
| 20:33.18 | darsie | with the 340 driver |
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| 20:34.05 | ac_slater | hmm tough :( |
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| 20:41.33 | jmcnaught | ,v libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx --arch i386 |
| 20:41.34 | judd | Package: libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx on i386 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 340.102-1; sid/non-free: 340.102-2; buster/non-free: 340.102-2 |
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| 20:50.05 | darsie | Why does "aptitude install libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx:386" say "Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx:386"" when https://packages.debian.org/stretch/libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx has it as i386? |
| 20:50.22 | darsie | I could download and install it with dpkg. |
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| 20:54.28 | jmcnaught | !bat |
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| 20:54.28 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 20:54.32 | jmcnaught | darsie: ^^ |
| 20:57.37 | lavenders | i freshly installed deb9 from amd64 dvd and my sources.lsit is empty, what links do i have to add now to prevent dvd not found error? |
| 20:58.24 | lavenders | is there a template for /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 20:58.26 | darsie | jmcnaught: https://paste.debian.net/980674/ |
| 20:58.40 | greycat | !stretch sources.list |
| 20:58.41 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 21:09.02 | darsie | I downloaded and installed libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx_340.102-1_i386.deb: https://paste.debian.net/980676/ Did anything go wrong (apart from missing dependencies)? It says stuff like "updating alternative /usr/lib/nvidia/legacy-340xx because link group nvidia has changed slave links" "warning: forcing reinstallation of alternative /usr/lib/nvidia because link group glx is broken" |
| 21:09.08 | darsie | "Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-3-amd64" |
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| 21:11.53 | johnkeates | why are you trying a 32-bit lib on 64-bit debian |
| 21:12.04 | darsie | cause steam misses it. |
| 21:13.17 | darsie | And https://wiki.debian.org/Steam#A64-bit_systems_.28amd64.29 tells me to install it. |
| 21:13.57 | darsie | For Jessie and Sid. I have Stretch. |
| 21:14.09 | darsie | and a legacy nvidia card. |
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| 21:16.19 | darsie | jmcnaught: Did you find out why aptitude doesn't find it? |
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| 21:19.45 | jelly | ,v libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx --arch i386 |
| 21:19.46 | judd | Package: libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx on i386 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 340.102-1; sid/non-free: 340.102-2; buster/non-free: 340.102-2 |
| 21:21.14 | jmcnaught | darsie: your paste https://paste.debian.net/980674/ shows it is installed. is that after you installed it with dpkg -i? |
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| 21:22.29 | darsie | jmcnaught: yes |
| 21:23.33 | jmcnaught | darsie: and steam works now? |
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| 21:24.21 | darsie | I doubt it, cause it's not fully installed. but I'll try. Also I haven't rebooted. It created an initrd. |
| 21:24.49 | darsie | Now says: You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run: libnvidia-tls.so.340.102 libnvidia-glcore.so.340.102 |
| 21:29.01 | jelly | judd: file libnvidia-glcore.so.340.102 --arch i386 |
| 21:29.05 | judd | Search for libnvidia-glcore.so.340.102 in stretch/i386: libnvidia-legacy-340xx-glcore: usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libnvidia-glcore.so.340.102 |
| 21:29.05 | darsie | My repository has it: http://debian.inode.at/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-340xx/libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx_340.102-1_i386.deb |
| 21:29.55 | jelly | darsie: this stuff is split into a dozen packages, and picking them all up for multiarch is a bit of a pain |
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| 21:30.32 | darsie | Yeah, I'd prefer to let aptitude install the dependencies. |
| 21:30.40 | jelly | I'm using 64bit chrome on an otherwise 32bit installation, with nvidia-driver, and I wasted more than an hour making it work |
| 21:31.06 | jelly | so do aptitude install libnvidia-legacy-340xx-glcore:i386 |
| 21:32.15 | jelly | and ask the bot about the other library as well, /msg judd file libnvidia-tls.so.340.102 --arch i386 |
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| 21:33.05 | darsie | that worked appearently. |
| 21:33.13 | darsie | but the otherone is still broken. |
| 21:33.27 | darsie | Could using a different repository help? |
| 21:35.51 | jelly | there's no need to use a different repository if all the stuff you need is in this one |
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| 21:36.05 | jelly | and you merely haven't installed all of it, yet |
| 21:37.29 | darsie | but manually resolving dependencies and downloading and installing sucks. |
| 21:37.48 | jelly | you don't have to do it manually |
| 21:37.52 | jelly | apt-get install libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx:i386 |
| 21:38.00 | jelly | or apt, or aptitude |
| 21:38.06 | darsie | root@b:~# aptitude install libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx:386Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx:386" Unable to apply some actions, aborting |
| 21:38.17 | jelly | :i386 not :386 |
| 21:38.25 | darsie | ahhhh |
| 21:38.49 | darsie | thank you! |
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| 21:39.57 | jelly | typos happen. you're welcome |
| 21:42.16 | mueslo | hey, I just upgraded from jessie to stretch, but now ssl (or at least python ssl) seems to be broken. anyone have some pointers what to do? |
| 21:42.27 | mueslo | https://paste.kde.org/plwkemvr7 |
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| 21:43.42 | mueslo | seems to me like it can't find root CAs to verify against |
| 21:43.49 | mueslo | but ca-certificates is installed |
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| 21:48.37 | mueslo | openssl s_client -connect www.google.com:443 |
| 21:48.37 | mueslo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:54.40 | Owner | what happened to build-essential exactly? |
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| 21:55.03 | darsie | yay, steam works and the computer reboots well. thx everyone! |
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| 21:57.55 | mueslo | okay, /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt is empty |
| 21:57.55 | mueslo | what |
| 22:00.02 | mueslo | solved it, for some reason /etc/ca-certificates.conf was empty |
| 22:00.18 | Owner | niecu |
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| 22:08.23 | Owner | what happened to build-essential exactly? |
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| 22:28.30 | jelly | Owner: why do you ask, is there something wrong with build-essential? |
| 22:28.41 | jelly | !ask |
| 22:28.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 22:28.57 | Owner | yeah, it says its only for building debian packages now |
| 22:29.11 | Owner | it used to install basic dev kit for compiling software |
| 22:29.18 | Owner | so what is it named now? |
| 22:30.30 | jolt | Owner: Where does it say that? |
| 22:30.39 | jelly | it still has a similar or same set of dependencies |
| 22:30.43 | jolt | build-essential is still pulling in most of the stuff you need to build anything? |
| 22:31.18 | jelly | it's just that the Description in stretch tries to explain what the package is about |
| 22:31.22 | Owner | let me get the message |
| 22:31.36 | Owner | If you do not plan to build Debian packages, you don't need this package. Starting with dpkg (>= 1.14.18) this package is required for building Debian packages. |
| 22:32.01 | Owner | so if i just plan on doing ./configure and make.... |
| 22:32.03 | jolt | Owner: Exactly, it says it's required for building debian packages, not that you can't build other things |
| 22:32.13 | Owner | 'If you do not plan to build Debian packages, you don't need this package.' |
| 22:32.30 | jelly | it still pulls in gcc and g++ and make. |
| 22:32.49 | jelly | and glibc devel |
| 22:32.50 | Owner | well with that message there |
| 22:33.03 | Owner | what is the right way to install build-essential when you dont plan on building debian packages |
| 22:33.09 | jelly | which you'll want to compile C or C++ software anyway |
| 22:33.13 | Owner | cuz you dont need build-essential unless you plan on building debian packages, it says |
| 22:33.26 | Owner | its confusing honestly |
| 22:33.35 | Owner | is there a build- something else? |
| 22:33.42 | Owner | that doesnt say 'you dont need this!' |
| 22:33.42 | jelly | nope |
| 22:33.46 | jolt | Owner: Most debian users probably doesn't build their own packages |
| 22:33.57 | Owner | wow really? |
| 22:34.01 | jelly | just keep using it and ignore that part of the description |
| 22:34.04 | Owner | ok |
| 22:34.14 | Owner | jelly: sounds good...you can see the message shoudl be reworded............ |
| 22:34.53 | jelly | possibly, but I'm not going to argue with doko about semantics |
| 22:34.57 | Owner | ok |
| 22:34.59 | Owner | thanks |
| 22:36.07 | jolt | Owner: Technically you need to install gcc, g++, make etc to build software, but you don't need build-essentials package to do that. So I argue it's also just semantics. build-essentials is just a convenient way for most programs to get the basic stuff |
| 22:36.28 | Owner | yeah |
| 22:36.36 | Owner | it is very convenient, i thought it was the right way to do it |
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| 22:37.10 | jolt | Owner: I think the "right" way to do it is to install the compiler, libs, headers and make versions that you need :) |
| 22:37.18 | Owner | lol |
| 22:37.24 | Owner | f' that! |
| 22:37.34 | jelly | each piece of software will need different additional bits |
| 22:37.42 | Owner | sometimes, yea |
| 22:38.00 | jolt | Exactly, and if you don't want to package it, then you don't need the dpkg-deps either |
| 22:38.46 | Owner | well as long as the shortcut still works |
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| 22:39.08 | jelly | dpkg-dev is the only thing that's really package-build-specific |
| 22:40.12 | jelly | but if the maintainer wants to disclaim a well known usage scenario in Description header... well, I'll let them (and maybe rant about it for a bit if reminded) |
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| 22:40.40 | Owner | :) |
| 22:40.42 | Owner | thanks |
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| 22:50.38 | hitest | identify claan387# |
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| 22:52.27 | Owner | nice passw0rD |
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| 22:52.40 | Ovius | rip |
| 22:52.46 | Owner | lol |
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| 22:53.56 | kion | is Stretch backports the same thing as testing? |
| 22:54.34 | darsie | kion: No, it's stuff compiled to work with the libraries etc of stretch, IMHO. |
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| 22:57.55 | kion | Thanks darsie |
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