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| 00:13.58 | graingert | anyone know how to contact the chromium debian maintainers? it seems their mailing list is just spam |
| 00:14.10 | graingert | and bug-tracking bots |
| 00:14.19 | graingert | specifically about http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-chromium-maint/2017-August/009537.html |
| 00:15.45 | somiaj | graingert: the best way to deal with package requests in debian is the bug tracking system, bugs.debian.org, this seems like a wishlist bug against the source package for another binary package. |
| 00:15.58 | graingert | it is |
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| 00:16.10 | somiaj | note you won't remove all of the libx11 support, but it is common to have core x11 libs on a server (note these are very minimial libs). |
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| 00:16.51 | graingert | somiaj: yeah but chromium-shell pulls in a big load of packages |
| 00:17.08 | graingert | somiaj: I can't imagine it would need x11 for anything. |
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| 00:17.23 | graingert | somiaj: I don't have a display server installed, and if I did it would be wayland without xwayland |
| 00:17.31 | graingert | which I thought chromium supported |
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| 00:19.04 | tharkun | Is the idea posted on this link about automatic updates stil beeing considered? https://fossbytes.com/debian-gnu-linux-considering-automatic-upgrades/ |
| 00:20.24 | somiaj | graingert: correct, I'm just saying that usually one doesn't fully remove all x11 depends, just everything except some milinal set, in this case a wishlist bug could be asked for. Another solution is to download the source package, and modify the build to only build this minimial thing, then submit a patch (sometimes helpful if the matainer doesn't have time to do it) |
| 00:20.42 | Sir_Designer | flying cars will only be a thing under full automation. i don't see the general public becoming pilots in any sense. |
| 00:20.44 | graingert | oh that would be cool |
| 00:20.44 | somiaj | graingert: I personally don't know enough about this on the details. But I would use a wishlist bug against the chromium source package. |
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| 00:21.27 | graingert | yeah thanks |
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| 00:22.20 | somiaj | tharkun: unsure if it will be included by default. It might, but only for stable releases, autmoatic upgrades for testing/unstable is a bad idea, and the issue is since packages come through testing/unstable it won't be included until right before the release. That is the first I have heard about it being default, in most cases just install and read the docs with unattended-upgrades |
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| 00:23.28 | ebernhardson | anyone familiar with systemtap? I'm trying to use it on a debian jessie system, with v 3.0-6~bpo8+1. I'm getting exactly the error described here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=826802 but that reports as fixed in 3.0-5 |
| 00:23.29 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/826802 in systemtap (closed): «systemtap: 3.0-4 incompatible with 4.6.0-1-amd64»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-06-09; last modified: 2016-07-13. |
| 00:23.56 | jmcnaught | tharkun: unattended-upgrades was install with the task-gnome-desktop task package for me on stretch |
| 00:24.25 | tharkun | somiaj: automatic updates should be an option for the user to install I really would run into trouble if something like my laptop db or email server just decided to update itself. |
| 00:26.30 | tharkun | jmcnaught: I believe that the list of stuff that get unattended-upgrades should be considered very carefully because on some environments there is a very delicate balance that is the user's responsability not the distro maintainers. |
| 00:28.06 | somiaj | tharkun: that I think is the current issue, haven't checked stretch, but in jessie even after isntalling the packgage one had to do something ot actually turn it on. |
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| 00:28.33 | somiaj | tharkun: note in stable, upgrades shoudln't change api/abi's, so the upgrade should not be a problem. But in testing/unstable different story. |
| 00:29.22 | somiaj | tharkun: i.e. in stable, the only upgrades that should happen should be security/bug fixes, and these are patched against eh version in stable, one shouldn't have any major changes on a stable upgrade. There have unforuntally been exceptions to this that have caused problems. |
| 00:29.27 | somiaj | (samba in jessie was one) |
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| 00:31.14 | tharkun | I have a test server that I would like to disable unattended-updates can someon point me in the right direction |
| 00:31.29 | somiaj | read the documentation for the package, or just remove the package. |
| 00:31.34 | somiaj | I forget the details as I odn't use it |
| 00:32.35 | somiaj | check /usr/share/doc/unattended-upgrades for more info |
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| 00:33.55 | tharkun | somiaj: Thanks. Have a nice day :) |
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| 00:59.28 | OtakuSenpai | whats the package name to include the program which gcc invokes with -ldl parameter? |
| 01:00.06 | OtakuSenpai | i mean whats the programs name which is gnu and does c++ linking |
| 01:00.20 | OtakuSenpai | ,v dl |
| 01:00.22 | judd | No package named 'dl' was found in amd64. |
| 01:00.28 | OtakuSenpai | ,v ldl |
| 01:00.29 | judd | No package named 'ldl' was found in amd64. |
| 01:00.30 | somiaj | you will heed libfoo-dev to build with |
| 01:00.35 | OtakuSenpai | ,v ld |
| 01:00.36 | judd | No package named 'ld' was found in amd64. |
| 01:00.46 | somiaj | so the libary name appears to be dl, so something like libdl, but it could have a version string attached to it |
| 01:00.47 | OtakuSenpai | somiaj: ? |
| 01:00.55 | OtakuSenpai | ok |
| 01:01.32 | OtakuSenpai | well i am having an error in my make file |
| 01:01.39 | somiaj | I don't know what libary 'dl' is, I see varilus libdl things in debian, like libdlib-dev or libdlm-dev, but none of those are libdl, which -ldl should be linking against. |
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| 01:02.12 | OtakuSenpai | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.14 | OtakuSenpai | maybe its something wrong in my cmakelists.txt |
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| 01:12.45 | somiaj | OtakuSenpai: unsure on the software or libary you are trying to link against. I don't know what package provides the dl libary that is requesting |
| 01:13.09 | somiaj | but you need the lib<whatever>-dev package to correctly link against it with the -l<whatever> flag |
| 01:13.21 | somiaj | though the <whatever> need not be the same as the package name. |
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| 01:17.32 | themill | OtakuSenpai: sounds like you don't have libc6-dev |
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| 01:18.44 | somiaj | so maybe build-essential would fix this (shoudln't that be part of build-essential)? |
| 01:18.55 | themill | it is, yes |
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| 01:20.10 | OtakuSenpai | well,i hav gcc 6.3 as my main c++ compiler |
| 01:20.33 | OtakuSenpai | im using cmake to compile two projects...one dependency and one the main project |
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| 01:21.04 | OtakuSenpai | i get the dependency correct...but in the case of the main project im getting the error |
| 01:21.18 | OtakuSenpai | i dont know where its wrong :c |
| 01:21.24 | OtakuSenpai | but thnx anyways |
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| 01:26.03 | themill | OtakuSenpai: you're saying that you have installed libc6-dev and still get that error? |
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| 01:26.56 | OtakuSenpai | yeah |
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| 01:27.43 | OtakuSenpai | its probably the fault of cmake...i also messed with the cmakelists.txt a bit...i am downloading the repo again from github now |
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| 01:37.15 | altf4 | Hello, I'm trying to make a router with the latest debian release. (debian 9 ) everything seems to work excepted that when I upload large files, the connection speeds drops... the uplink is capable of 15mbit/s and I only get 1.14mbit/s to 0.14mbit/s to the restart of the interface... on the download side, no problem |
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| 01:37.23 | altf4 | any idea or suggestion? |
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| 01:40.21 | somiaj | do other machines upload just fine on this internet connection. I know my upload is crap on my isp. |
| 01:41.05 | altf4 | clients of the debian router have all the same upload problem... but I get 15mbit/s on the debian machine |
| 01:41.20 | altf4 | So it's the debian machine that causes troubles |
| 01:41.30 | somiaj | the machine (router) itself can upload just fine, but things uploading through it seem to be slow? |
| 01:41.57 | altf4 | yes... like 15 times slower (litteraly) |
| 01:42.13 | petn-randall | mumbles something about MTU. |
| 01:42.25 | phix | altf4: I have issues where my ISP likes to apply traffic shapping after a certain amount of time. |
| 01:42.36 | phix | altf4: Can you test with another router to confirm it isn't your ISP doing this? |
| 01:42.52 | phix | perhaps a line test too? |
| 01:42.53 | somiaj | is this an older machine, the nat/routing can require a little overhead, but I doubt this is the issue. I don't know enough about networking to think what the lag int he nat/routing could be. |
| 01:42.54 | altf4 | phix: already done. it's the router |
| 01:43.32 | altf4 | line test ok and it's totaly capable... I can transfer to the router in gigabit |
| 01:43.40 | petn-randall | altf4: My first gut feeling is that you have a MTU = 1500 on the LAN side, and a MTU = 1492 on the other. |
| 01:43.41 | altf4 | it's a 4770 |
| 01:45.12 | altf4 | Can I get the mtu by setting up the uplink interface in dhcp? (the router stand's above another router) (it's going to replace a openwrt box that just died... but I didn't had that kind of trouble) |
| 01:45.14 | somiaj | You can also try asking in ##networking, they may have some guesses what the issue could be. |
| 01:45.30 | altf4 | I will already try with the MTU |
| 01:48.53 | phix | altf4: ok, next I would look at how it is connected. Could be a faulty NIC or other factors (you may have traffic shaping enabled). |
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| 01:49.59 | phix | altf4: There is a iptables command you can run if you have a MTU under 1500. |
| 01:50.34 | phix | altf4: I am assuming you are using NAT and not standard routing. |
| 01:51.04 | altf4 | I'm using a NaT |
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| 01:52.09 | altf4 | what is the command? (I don't think it's the NIC. it's a intel NIC but maybe that it doesn't like the 9 vlan's on it) |
| 01:52.30 | phix | altf4: oh, you internal nodes all have external addresses? |
| 01:52.41 | phix | or are you doing internal routing? |
| 01:53.14 | phix | Ah, you are using VLANs too. That shouldn't be an issue. |
| 01:53.38 | altf4 | No, I'm making nat. a public IP to a ISP router that nat it into a first lan wich connect to the debian machine wich is making all the routing |
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| 01:54.54 | kb3vgw | ok the net installer for strech fails I have no netwoking and ifconfig is no installed |
| 01:55.09 | kb3vgw | I can't find any network interfaces |
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| 01:55.48 | kb3vgw | anyone else using the net installer having issues |
| 01:56.15 | somiaj | kb3vgw: are you trying to use a wirless card? What installer image are you using? |
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| 01:57.20 | kb3vgw | no I installed into a vmware |
| 01:57.49 | somiaj | what failes about the network, do you have the host/network controler configured in vmware ? |
| 01:58.17 | altf4 | phix: petn-randall somiaj It was a MTU problem :-) tks guys |
| 01:58.23 | kb3vgw | it installed but on a reboot there is no ifconfig |
| 01:58.34 | kb3vgw | there is no network interfaces |
| 01:58.46 | kb3vgw | ifconf command not found |
| 01:58.53 | kb3vgw | ifconfig |
| 01:58.58 | altf4 | kb3vgw: checked /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 01:59.06 | altf4 | ip link |
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| 01:59.37 | somiaj | ifconfig is fairly outdated, use ip isntead. |
| 01:59.48 | somiaj | ip a should list all interfaces |
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| 02:02.40 | kb3vgw | ok that worked |
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| 02:04.52 | somiaj | if an interfaces file wasn't created, you can create one and use ifup/ifdown with it. Those scripts will call ip by default. |
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| 02:05.30 | kb3vgw | ok well I have a ip now so I was able to log in and work onit |
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| 02:09.43 | petn-randall | altf4: How did you solve it? One way around it is to use MSS clamping. |
| 02:10.15 | altf4 | petn-randall: I just used dhcp instead of static address and it solved the problem |
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| 02:42.56 | racar | Hey guys, since a couple of days my screens just go off without any reason. I suspect my video drivers (of course) but i have no idea how to debug or fix this. I'm using debian 9 (4.9.30) with appropriate nvidia drivers based on nvidia-detect ( GeForce 8400 GS Rev 3 => nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver). Since i need to reboot everytime it happens, i can't look in dmesg. Anyone have an idea ? |
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| 03:40.12 | __Myst__ | Heya. |
| 03:40.21 | __Myst__ | I'm on a MacBookPro8,1 trying to install the latest Debian. |
| 03:40.29 | __Myst__ | I have the ISO which has the firmware bundled into it. |
| 03:40.39 | __Myst__ | However, it is not found while running the graphical install once I get prompted to look for it. |
| 03:40.44 | __Myst__ | I press yes, but it gives me the same prompt again. |
| 03:40.46 | __Myst__ | I appreciate any help. |
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| 03:43.37 | __Myst__ | I'm installing from a USB drive, too. |
| 03:43.56 | __Myst__ | I've also tried navigating manually to the /cdrom/firmware folder manually, and the b43 .debs are present. However, there is no dpkg for me to install them with. |
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| 03:46.01 | themill | I don't think the b43 firmware is in those packages |
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| 03:46.48 | __Myst__ | Are you sure? There is a deb with "firmware-b43" and "firmware-b43-legacy" in the name in the folder. |
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| 03:51.01 | themill | I didn't think that firmware was redistributable and that all we had was a downloader for it |
| 03:51.31 | __Myst__ | Perhaps it had -installer in the name, I'm unsure. Even then, can I somehow install b43? |
| 03:51.47 | themill | only with a working internet connectoin |
| 03:52.00 | __Myst__ | assume i do have that |
| 03:52.34 | themill | then complete your installation using that working internet connection and use it to run the firmware installer |
| 03:52.49 | __Myst__ | later, once everything is installed? |
| 03:52.55 | dvs | __Myst__, if you only have a wireless connection then you do not have an internet connection |
| 03:53.11 | __Myst__ | dvs: well, i could get a wired connection tomorrow if i must |
| 03:53.33 | __Myst__ | I'd rather get it working today with wifi, but eh |
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| 03:54.07 | __Myst__ | Could I not somehow provide a version of b43 using the one I already have on my ubuntu? |
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| 03:55.33 | dvs | __Myst__, maybe if there is something in the /lib/firmware directory |
| 03:55.57 | __Myst__ | dvs: i do have a /lib/firmware/b43 |
| 03:56.07 | themill | copying those files across is likely to workj |
| 03:56.23 | __Myst__ | hmm, so still after the installer? |
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| 03:58.34 | dvs | __Myst__, after the installation? yes. |
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| 05:01.21 | mflow | How can I resolve a domain name to a specific IP before running a custom program from the command line (without modifying /etc/hosts file and without modifying the program), such that when that program tries to connect to that domain it goes to where I said instead? |
| 05:02.28 | SwedeMike | mflow: what operating system is this? |
| 05:03.23 | mflow | SwedeMike: Debian GNU/Linux 8.9 (jessie) |
| 05:04.40 | SwedeMike | mflow: I would look for something along thelines of https://github.com/BackSlasher/dns-override , ie that uses LD_PRELOAD to let this specific program have a different DNS experience compared to other programs. Unless there are other software, this would involve you running a new dns resolver and configuring it to return other infromation for specific zones. |
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| 05:20.28 | JLprim | how does one make it so i see a thumbnail of an image in my pictures folder? |
| 05:20.50 | JLprim | like the image that is that file |
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| 05:24.28 | JLprim | hello programer |
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| 05:31.16 | JLprim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:39.54 | cluelessperson | hey guys |
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| 05:40.21 | cluelessperson | At debian installation, the installer sees my PCI nvme ssd, but the debian system (after install) doesn't. |
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| 05:40.33 | cluelessperson | how do I access the pci nvme |
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| 05:41.32 | cluelessperson | I'm stupoid |
| 05:41.36 | cluelessperson | nevermind, thanks |
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| 05:42.29 | jmcnaught | favvv: it was probably removed because of an RC bug. You can look it up on https://tracker.debian.org/ |
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| 05:43.15 | favvv | jmcnaught, thanks |
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| 05:45.45 | JLprim | i cant see my images of thumbnails in the pictures folder how do I fix this? |
| 05:46.00 | JLprim | thumbnails of images* |
| 05:46.24 | somiaj | JLprim: what file manager are you using? |
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| 05:46.39 | JLprim | um the one that came with debian |
| 05:46.40 | somiaj | JLprim: have you looked through the options/preferences menu in said file manager |
| 05:46.54 | somiaj | JLprim: debian provides more than one, this depends on your desktop you are using. |
| 05:47.02 | JLprim | yes i have tried sevaral things in it and no luck |
| 05:47.28 | JLprim | how do I find out what one I am using? |
| 05:47.58 | JLprim | sorry brother helped me out due to issue with ubuntu so not sure how to do this here in dabian |
| 05:48.45 | JLprim | It is using NEMO |
| 05:48.58 | somiaj | this dependso n the software, if using gnome, the default file manager is natuilus |
| 05:49.14 | somiaj | usually there is an help -> about to tell you what software |
| 05:49.33 | JLprim | yup just noticed that and it is using NEMO |
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| 05:49.46 | JLprim | 3.2.2 |
| 05:49.52 | somiaj | https://askubuntu.com/questions/395911/why-doesnt-nemo-preview-thumbnails |
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| 05:50.04 | somiaj | does that answer it, it has a screen shot about a size limit you can increase |
| 05:50.30 | somiaj | though that is for version 2.4.4 |
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| 05:51.29 | JLprim | @somiaj thanks! |
| 05:51.30 | somiaj | also see some people using mint saying you want to link .thumbnails to .cache/thumbnails (https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=152256) -- I don't use nemo, this is just what I'm getting from google |
| 05:51.43 | JLprim | I will try that now |
| 05:53.02 | somiaj | I would try the first settings option there. You can also google for 'nemo file manager thumbnails' in google to get lots of hits about issues with them |
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| 05:55.05 | JLprim | @somiaj that worked Perfect (the first one) thank you! I didnt realise the files thing had a name and stuff so thank you |
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| 05:56.58 | somiaj | JLprim: debian provides lots of choices, dekstops, window managers, which use different software. |
| 05:57.07 | somiaj | in this case you are using the cinnimon desktop enviroment |
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| 05:57.35 | JLprim | yes I think I will have to explore some of the other envirements |
| 05:58.00 | JLprim | I was using ubuntu studio and loved its layout so might ahve to look for one like it |
| 05:58.30 | somiaj | ubuntu I think uses its own desktop unity, which I'm not sure is in debian |
| 05:58.39 | somiaj | gnome might be close, but unsure |
| 05:58.52 | somiaj | cinnimion is linux mints default de which is also in debian |
| 05:58.54 | JLprim | I will have to check it out at the very least |
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| 06:00.01 | JLprim | Cinamin isnt bad but its uses odd programs for things like the terminal |
| 06:01.01 | somiaj | you can install other temerinals and the likes and still use cinnimon |
| 06:01.23 | somiaj | I personally prefer starting with a minimial windowmanager and then isntalling the software I like to use (which is very limited number of programs, mostly xterm, chromium and gvim) |
| 06:01.25 | JLprim | yea thats what my brother said I will have to look into that eventualy |
| 06:03.11 | JLprim | i have no idea what those are lol I liked studio because i told it to download all programs for things like audio and video and graphix and so i was able to explore those and git rid of the ones i didnt like or use so now that I know what ones i like and will use i agree a minamal windowmanager is a great place to start |
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| 07:14.01 | lavenders | !stretch sources.list |
| 07:14.01 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 07:15.04 | cluelessperson | sorry to bother you, my debian interfaces seem to all be named "rename1" -4 |
| 07:15.12 | cluelessperson | how do I rename them? (lol?) |
| 07:20.42 | cluelessperson | there are no udev rules |
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| 07:25.14 | cluelessperson | https://hastebin.com/raw/idoqayilef |
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| 07:47.36 | Ormu | hi |
| 07:47.51 | format_c | Ormu: hi |
| 07:48.37 | Ormu | what is this "Browse" thing in Xfce4 menu under "Education"? If I click it, nothing apparent happens but a Sugar-related process is launched with command: /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/sugar-activity webactivity.WebActivity -s |
| 07:48.51 | Ormu | Why is it installed (by default)? |
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| 07:50.30 | Ormu | I'm going to get rid of it but why is installed in the first place? |
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| 07:51.21 | Ormu | the package is apparently sugar-browse-activity and it's not required by any other package |
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| 07:52.32 | jelly | Ormu: which debian release is this |
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| 07:52.46 | Ormu | Stretch, Xfce desktop |
| 07:53.23 | Ormu | it says "The Browse activity provides a web browser based on the WebKit engine." but no browser is launched when I click that menu -> Education -> "Browse" item |
| 07:53.29 | Ormu | apt-get purge commencing |
| 07:53.49 | jelly | you probably installed sugar at some point |
| 07:54.20 | Ormu | I'm 100% sure I didn't, unless it was recommended by something else (but I think I disabled auto-installation of recommended packages at some point) |
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| 07:55.30 | jelly | see what do "aptitude why sugar-browse-activity" and "aptitude why python-sugar3" say |
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| 07:56.33 | Ormu | does that work if i already uninstalled it? |
| 07:56.41 | Ormu | hm, aptitude is not installed |
| 07:57.11 | jelly | unsure |
| 07:57.12 | format_c | install it |
| 07:57.32 | format_c | it's more comfortable and has better conflict resolution than apt-get |
| 07:58.27 | jelly | each one of apt-get, aptitude, apt has features or behaviours nicer that others in some aspects |
| 07:58.38 | Ormu | :o |
| 07:58.47 | Ormu | hm why not |
| 07:58.48 | jelly | and is worse than the others in other aspects :-) |
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| 07:59.10 | Ormu | Also, I had a strange issue with Synaptic, I was about to remove some packages, but Synaptic claimed that it's unable to lock the download directory. I didn't change anything but tried again, and now it worked. Any ideas why? |
| 07:59.36 | cluelessperson | I can't use networking on debian because systemd will not allow me to rename interfaces |
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| 08:00.38 | jelly | Ormu: there should only be one package manager running at any time, if you had apt* or dpkg running synaptic might be prevented from doing something, and vice versa |
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| 08:02.27 | jelly | apt package itself has cron jobs and systemd timers that run things (on a daily basis, I think) |
| 08:02.27 | apt | ACTION puts itself has cron jobs and systemd timers that run things (on a daily basis, I think) in an unmarked cardboard box on the top shelf of an inconveniently located closet |
| 08:02.42 | jelly | sigh |
| 08:02.46 | cluelessperson | does anyone know how to do this? |
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| 08:06.50 | Ormu | jelly: Hm. I didn't have any other package managers running when that happened. |
| 08:07.08 | Ormu | but cron jobs and systemd stuff might be |
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| 08:08.16 | Ormu | jelly: format_c: ok, Sugar mystery solved: https://bpaste.net/show/9132837610a8 |
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| 08:19.25 | Ormu | jelly: hm, there are apt-daily and apt-daily-upgrade timers |
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| 08:23.26 | Ormu | last run times didn't really occur when i was having that issue (Synaptic unable to lock download directory)... |
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| 08:29.27 | cluelessperson | been trying for 2 hours now to fix network names |
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| 08:29.36 | cluelessperson | systemd's networking is terrible. |
| 08:29.50 | Ormu | :| |
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| 08:31.53 | Ormu | ok, disabled apt-related systemd timers and services. in my case there's no reason to run package management tasks automatically. |
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| 08:42.34 | Ormu | it's entirely possible that i've seen that Synaptic issue previously (when using LMDE) but it's just an annoying feeling when something is messing with the package management under the hood :| |
| 08:43.43 | Ormu | anyway, got some stuff solved, thx jelly & format_c |
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| 09:00.47 | vlt | cluelessperson: What did you do, what did you expect to happen, what happened instead? |
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| 09:11.10 | fvvv | on stretch |
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| 09:35.56 | k_sze[work] | I have a Type=forking systemd service that seems to start correctly, it just takes more than few seconds because it needs to activate a conda environment. However, systemd seems to always deactivate it as soon as it's started. |
| 09:36.42 | k_sze[work] | I mean, I get " Active: deactivating (stop)" when I do `systemctl status <my service>` after `systemctl start <my service>` |
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| 09:37.50 | k_sze[work] | My TimeoutStartSec and DefaultTimeoutStartSec should be at the default of 90 seconds. |
| 09:37.57 | k_sze[work] | How do I find out why systemd deactivates my service? |
| 09:38.20 | Ormu | just my 2cents - set the timeouts explicitly? |
| 09:38.33 | Ormu | (for that service) |
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| 09:44.15 | celyr | k_sze[work], if that doesn't work you can always use 50 cent |
| 09:44.45 | celyr | http://www.billboard.com/files/media/50-cent-june-2015-billboard-1548.jpg |
| 09:45.31 | Ormu | :O |
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| 09:58.17 | celyr | meh |
| 09:58.28 | celyr | damn selects and ssh |
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| 10:07.25 | Neb | Hi ! i've problems with Debian Installlation. I've two virtual machines. I would like to install debian on one of these VM via PXE/TFTP in a closed network (no internet access). So i've created my own local archive debian mirror for install Debian 9.1 with Aptly. But when the DebianInstaller tries to install the base system, the D-I warns me that it would likes to search an iso on the disk (vda). After, during installation, D-I warns me that no adapted linux kernel |
| 10:07.25 | Neb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:10.02 | celyr | Sorry I've no experience in local mirror creation |
| 10:10.10 | Neb | ok, thx ! |
| 10:10.22 | celyr | But stay around |
| 10:10.24 | celyr | maybe someone has. |
| 10:10.28 | Neb | Yep |
| 10:10.33 | Neb | i'm waiting |
| 10:10.34 | celyr | Neb, Can you drop that requirement ? |
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| 10:12.25 | DevAntoine | hi, this command: openssl dhparam -out dhparam.pem 4096 is running for 1h33, what is happening? Should I kill it and regenerate it again? Or can I just simply copy the actual dhparam.pem for my current server to my new one? |
| 10:13.14 | Neb | celyr : ?? |
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| 10:13.27 | celyr | Neb, can you eventually use a network with internet access ? |
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| 10:13.43 | BluesKaj | Hey folks |
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| 10:14.11 | Neb | Yes, I proceded with a Internet Access Installation and it worked |
| 10:14.22 | Neb | from a official mirror |
| 10:14.26 | Neb | it works |
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| 10:14.45 | Neb | but with my mirror, it does'nt work |
| 10:15.25 | Neb | the D-I ask me to search an ISO from local disk |
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| 10:15.55 | Neb | but there are not any |
| 10:17.10 | Neb | and after, installation fails. If I continue during Base systems installation, the D-I warns me that no linux kernel is found |
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| 10:18.57 | Neb | so in my own mirror, I think, in my mirror, it miss packages and linux-kernel |
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| 10:22.09 | BluesKaj | Neb, , don't use the local disk, let it continue using the internet/mirror |
| 10:23.13 | Neb | Yes but I can't, D-I searches for iso only on local disk |
| 10:23.33 | BluesKaj | at the point where it asks to search the local disk |
| 10:23.44 | BluesKaj | just skip that |
| 10:24.05 | Neb | Yes, I skip but after , "no kernel is found" |
| 10:24.51 | BluesKaj | then you don't have an internet connection |
| 10:25.34 | Neb | No, I would like to make an installation without internet connection |
| 10:25.50 | Neb | with PXE/TFTP protocol |
| 10:27.05 | Neb | Only my VM which includes my local mirror has an internet access |
| 10:27.25 | BluesKaj | ok, well I've never done that so I can't help you there |
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| 10:27.40 | Neb | ok, thank you :) |
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| 10:38.58 | M3mphiZ | Whats "Debian desktop environment" |
| 10:39.40 | M3mphiZ | in the Installer if you don't choose any of the "GNOME", "Xfce", etc... |
| 10:40.55 | Sveta | great question thanks |
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| 11:02.22 | graingert | M3mphiZ: sounds like you get a default |
| 11:02.58 | graingert | M3mphiZ: and then when you upgrade if Debian change their minds you get whatever debian-desktop depends on |
| 11:04.21 | darxmurf | I have a few machines with Nvidia GT cards. The fans spinning 2 seconds every minutes, is there a way to change that ? |
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| 11:06.59 | BluesKaj | think the default DE is gnome |
| 11:07.31 | BluesKaj | M3mphiZ,^ |
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| 11:12.41 | Epakai | nothing changes during an upgrade, those are tasks not like packages with dependencies that have to be maintained |
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| 11:13.50 | latenite | Hi folks, I am using dhclient and the lease looks fine but my resolv.conf does not have the right nameserver. What am I missing here. This is the lease and resolv.conf: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/ae2c14ce35a3cf11f1212a60838a7dfd |
| 11:14.37 | fl3m1ng | exit |
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| 11:18.46 | monkwitdafunk | hi |
| 11:18.54 | Sveta | hi monkwitdafunk :) |
| 11:19.27 | monkwitdafunk | im wondering if debian live uses the exact same kernel as debian stretch |
| 11:19.40 | monkwitdafunk | including kernel updates |
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| 11:24.20 | BCMM | monkwitdafunk: you can check the .packages file, available on the mirror in the same dir as the image |
| 11:24.38 | monkwitdafunk | ok. thanks |
| 11:25.07 | monkwitdafunk | what about creating an image of a debian stretch installations and turning it into a live OS put on a dvd? |
| 11:26.13 | BCMM | it lists linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64 for debian live 9.1.0 |
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| 11:26.39 | monkwitdafunk | ok, is it the same kernel as debian stretch? |
| 11:26.45 | BCMM | seems to be, yes |
| 11:26.51 | BCMM | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/linux-image-amd64 |
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| 11:27.06 | Sveta | monkwitdafunk, looking at https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/ they were last updated on july 23rd, stretch was released on july 22nd, so i suspect that they do not have the same kernel as stretch does today |
| 11:27.08 | BCMM | says it pulls in linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64 on Stretch |
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| 11:27.16 | monkwitdafunk | cool. i know that you need the same kernel in order of having a homogenous ethernet frame handler |
| 11:27.16 | doogaille | Hi all any why on a fresh Debian 9 install I doesn't have /sbin/route ? |
| 11:27.30 | doogaille | +know |
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| 11:27.46 | BCMM | monkwitdafunk: and https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-9.1.0-amd64-kde.packages lists linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64 too |
| 11:28.48 | BCMM | doogaille: probably because we're all supposed to use /bin/ip instead |
| 11:29.12 | BCMM | doogaille: not that anybody does, myself included. you can get it by installing net-tools |
| 11:29.26 | doogaille | It's a joke ? |
| 11:29.43 | bezaban | doogaille: nope, been deprecated for quite a while :) |
| 11:30.21 | BCMM | doogaille: route, ifconfig and friends are supposedly deprecated |
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| 11:30.29 | doogaille | humm I think really its a joke added by a bear dev geeks in a far far away mountain ? |
| 11:30.36 | M3mphiZ | graingert: BluesKaj: thx! |
| 11:30.40 | BCMM | on gnu/linux anyway |
| 11:31.21 | doogaille | and what the /bin/ip equivalent of /sbin/route print ? |
| 11:31.32 | bezaban | doogaille: ip route |
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| 11:32.00 | BCMM | doogaille: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/03/msg00780.html |
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| 11:35.29 | doogaille | thinking future, doesnt support modern... blablabla |
| 11:36.00 | doogaille | debian seem look more and more than a windows style OS |
| 11:36.08 | BCMM | doogaille: my main point was the date on that |
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| 11:36.11 | doogaille | when something work we need to broke it |
| 11:36.20 | doogaille | ^^ |
| 11:36.25 | BCMM | doogaille: well, also "It doesnt support many of the modern features of the linux kernel" |
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| 11:36.50 | doogaille | but why we need to broke a just work piece of code |
| 11:37.02 | doogaille | because modernity comming ? |
| 11:37.24 | BCMM | doogaille: who broke it? |
| 11:37.28 | doogaille | systemd, ipconfig, route, rc.local |
| 11:37.29 | BCMM | where does it say that somebody broke it? |
| 11:37.47 | BCMM | it's just that nobody is maintaining it |
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| 11:38.21 | BCMM | linux kernel devs have released a new tool which aims to support everything the linux kernel supports |
| 11:38.34 | BCMM | if you want to add such functionality to the old suite of tools, you are free to do so |
| 11:38.52 | BCMM | you can also still install the old tools on Debian if you want to |
| 11:38.59 | BCMM | nobody has gone out of their way to break anything |
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| 11:40.21 | doogaille | just this upgrade in strech change a lot of way and tools for a day by day administration |
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| 11:40.46 | veek | is there a way to install debian onto usb from within another debian |
| 11:40.50 | johnkeates | doogaille: not really, if you upgrade form jessie to stretch, net-tools is still installed |
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| 11:42.33 | BCMM | doogaille: apt get net-tools |
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| 11:42.56 | doogaille | BCMM: ;-) I know |
| 11:43.07 | doogaille | its not only net tools |
| 11:43.23 | jelly | doogaille: ifconfig has been broken wrt. multiple ip addresses for 15 years now, telling people to use iproute2 tools means _fixing_ things |
| 11:43.34 | doogaille | in general a lot of simple task becoming more difficult with stretch |
| 11:43.45 | doogaille | (fresh install) |
| 11:44.09 | graingert | M3mphiZ: just a guess mind it |
| 11:45.07 | BCMM | doogaille: ... so learn the new stuff, or install the stuff you prefer to use |
| 11:45.22 | BCMM | debian makes it really easy to install software, that's kind of the point of a distro |
| 11:45.31 | veek | yeah nothing works in stretch.. my usb is slow and X pauses guh! |
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| 11:45.49 | DK2 | any good way to migrate MD raid to HW raid? |
| 11:46.07 | BCMM | i'd be irritated if a fresh install had all the utilities that anybody wants to use on it, because i'd be wasting disk space on stuff I don't use |
| 11:46.38 | jolt | DK2: it's always easier with a live cd of some kind, then mount both and rsync between 'em |
| 11:47.02 | DK2 | i got acronis backup to create a image of it |
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| 11:47.10 | DK2 | but as its a mdraid to hardware raid i guess its more complicated |
| 11:47.16 | DK2 | rsync should do better in this case then? |
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| 11:47.55 | DK2 | so i install a fresh os on destionation server, boot them up via a live cd and rsync ? |
| 11:48.23 | doogaille | BCMM: your right i need to upgrade my mind and learn the new stuff |
| 11:48.41 | BCMM | you actually don't need to; you can just install the old stuff |
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| 11:49.01 | BCMM | like i said, the distro would suck if a fresh install catered to everybody's needs |
| 11:49.07 | doogaille | ok why can I just run a simple task at start without rc.local ? |
| 11:49.15 | doogaille | any package to do that ? |
| 11:49.16 | BCMM | because you'd need a TB hard drive for it |
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| 11:49.27 | doogaille | -why / + how |
| 11:49.28 | jolt | DK2: no, I don't mean install. I mean boot a live cd, mount the old partition in the live cd, the new as well and then copy between them |
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| 11:49.34 | BCMM | yeah no systemd is a bit pile of breaking changes, not gonna disagree on that one |
| 11:49.40 | BCMM | ^big pile |
| 11:49.46 | DK2 | jolt: i c |
| 11:50.07 | jolt | DK2: Are we talking about the root file system? |
| 11:50.19 | DK2 | yes |
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| 11:50.42 | jolt | DK2: And are you going to reuse the existing disks (md) in your hw raid? |
| 11:51.22 | DK2 | no its a migration to a new server |
| 11:51.29 | DK2 | but the new one has a hardware raid controller in it |
| 11:51.32 | DK2 | instead of the old md one |
| 11:52.00 | jolt | DK2: and the old md, is that a raid 5 or something like raid 1? |
| 11:52.05 | DK2 | its raid1 |
| 11:53.10 | jolt | DK2: alright. Then I would turn of the old one, pull one of the drives and plug into the new, fire up the new server with a live image of some kind, mount the old disk and copy it to the new fs that you also mounted in the new system |
| 11:53.26 | doogaille | I'm going back to my lair, thanks for the feedback |
| 11:53.33 | doogaille | see ya |
| 11:54.06 | jolt | DK2: Then after you have copied it (rsync -avP /oldraid /newraid), bless it with grub or whatever bootloader you have, remove the old disk and restart |
| 11:54.12 | DK2 | thanks |
| 11:54.30 | jolt | DK2: but that of course mean you need the drivers for the new installed in the old (if it's not a module in there already) |
| 11:54.58 | jolt | I like recovery is possible for stuff like that, but any live cd that has support for the new raid would do |
| 11:55.09 | DK2 | it should has |
| 11:55.12 | lazarus_zed | I am having a small problem. Sometimes when I switch wireless network, process 'goa-daemon' hits a high CPU usage. Several days ago I searched, it's said that it can be prevented by turning off calender sync, but it is not helpful. Currently I kill the process to solve the problem. So it is not quite critical. |
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| 12:02.27 | ekn2 | I'm trying to create a Debian installer on a USB stick following this guide: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en I did the step "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX; sync". When I boot the USB stick, GRUB loads and I get "error: no such device: ..." |
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| 12:04.29 | jolt | ekn2: Usb is hard sometimes depending on bios settings or whatnot. or even a specific usb stick |
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| 12:05.39 | ekn2 | jolt: Should the guide say something about this then? |
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| 12:05.53 | ekn2 | It's not clear what I should do next. |
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| 12:06.02 | jolt | ekn2: Just personal experience. Have you tried with another usb stick? Or the zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX way? |
| 12:06.11 | jolt | Or the flexible way for that matter |
| 12:06.23 | ekn2 | No. No. No. |
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| 12:07.28 | ekn2 | "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX" |
| 12:07.53 | ekn2 | I need to find boot.img.gz. I currently have debian-9.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 12:08.49 | ekn2 | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s02.html.en#where-files links to http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ which is just an Apache server directory listing. That's not very helpful. |
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| 12:09.43 | jolt | ekn2: under hd-media there is the http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
| 12:10.10 | ekn2 | jolt: Thank you. I'm going to try your second method now. |
| 12:10.36 | jolt | ekn2: Could also be some crappy usb compatibility setting in bios. hard to say really, I usually netboot my systems |
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| 12:11.50 | ekn2 | jolt: I don't have a network set up for net booting. |
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| 12:14.33 | darxmurf | I'm a bit lost with thi NVIDIA issue. I have 2 SAME machines with Debian 9.1, nvidia drivers from debian repo. The GPU fan of the 1st machine is running all the time at slow speed. The one from the 2nd machine is off and spin fast for a few seconds every 15 sec |
| 12:14.43 | darxmurf | where the hell is there a conf file to change that ? |
| 12:14.53 | darxmurf | both have GTX 970 cards |
| 12:15.23 | ekn2 | I made a mistake. The Grub error was due to a grub installation on another hard drive which I mistook for my USB stick when booting. I'm going to try the first method again. |
| 12:15.26 | darxmurf | In the nvidia conf panel I can see the fan speed going up and down all the time. |
| 12:15.44 | darxmurf | Then when I reboot the machine, the fan spin normally until I come back to debian |
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| 12:16.45 | ekn2 | darxmurf: I've had problems with Nvidia drivers on Linux for a long time. My laptop also gets hot all the time when I'm not even running anything with Nvidia drivers. |
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| 12:17.11 | ekn2 | darxmurf: I suspect it's the Nvidia driver. I haven't confirmed it though. |
| 12:17.15 | VladimirTrump | hi |
| 12:17.51 | darxmurf | ekn2: but here I have 10 exact same machines |
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| 12:18.07 | darxmurf | and some of them are doing this yoyo fan and not the others :-/ |
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| 12:18.31 | VladimirTrump | you think GeForce or Radeon is best for linux gaming ? |
| 12:18.38 | ekn2 | jolt: The "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX; sync" method worked fine. I just made a mistake. |
| 12:18.57 | darxmurf | cp ? |
| 12:18.59 | darxmurf | not dd ? |
| 12:19.04 | VladimirTrump | I read this https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3rlvqt/amd_or_nvidia_for_linux_gaming and opinions are very inconsistent |
| 12:20.05 | jolt | ekn2: Hooray! |
| 12:20.17 | jolt | darxmurf: that's what the manual says |
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| 12:20.38 | darxmurf | hum okay :) |
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| 12:23.16 | ekn2 | The graphical installer runs at a lower resolution than my monitor. |
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| 12:24.38 | darxmurf | I had this too ^^ |
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| 12:26.33 | ekn2 | The installer assumes I should use the native language associated with the time zone I'm currently in. |
| 12:27.16 | ekn2 | "If the desired time zone is not listed, then please go back to the step "Choose language" and select a country that uses the desired time zone (the country where you live or are located)." |
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| 12:28.01 | BCMM | ekn2: countries are not languages |
| 12:28.28 | BCMM | ekn2: choose the country you are really in, then change the language to the one you want to use |
| 12:28.37 | BCMM | instead of choosing a country that corresponds to the language you want |
| 12:29.23 | ekn2 | BCMM: It says "select a country" but there is actually only a "Choose language" menu. |
| 12:29.40 | ekn2 | It says "select a country" in the "Choose language" menu. |
| 12:29.51 | ekn2 | It seems like the install is the one that is confused about countries and langauges. |
| 12:29.55 | ekn2 | *installer |
| 12:30.23 | ekn2 | In the "Select a language" menu, it says "Choose the language to be used for the installation process." |
| 12:30.45 | ekn2 | I want to use English for the installation process, but then it doesn't give me an option for the time zone I'm in. |
| 12:31.52 | ekn2 | Oh, I see. After you select a language, it asks for a country too. |
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| 12:41.23 | celyr | What really upsets me is that software like Zimbra is made for Ubuntu or Centos |
| 12:41.28 | celyr | and not for debian |
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| 12:41.57 | ekn2 | celyr: How is software made for Ubuntu only? |
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| 12:43.10 | celyr | ekn2, well they distribute it for Ubuntu and Centos |
| 12:43.51 | darxmurf | hum, when I stop lightdm, the fan stops it's yoyo |
| 12:44.14 | darxmurf | and when I start it again, the fan restart to yoyo on the login screen |
| 12:44.20 | ekn2 | celyr: I thought Ubuntu uses the Debian repository. |
| 12:44.26 | BCMM | darxmurf: GPU fan? |
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| 12:44.45 | darxmurf | yep |
| 12:44.53 | celyr | ekn2, Well they give you support only if you use Centos or Ubuntu |
| 12:45.04 | celyr | And really I'm prone to use Centos rather than ubuntu |
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| 12:45.36 | BCMM | zimbra seems weirdly proprietary for something that Wikipedia says is open source |
| 12:45.47 | darxmurf | BCMM: I have a few identical machines, same hardware and debian version and in some of them the GPU fan is playing start/stop every 20 sec |
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| 12:45.57 | darxmurf | when on the others it keep spinning at slow speed |
| 12:46.02 | BCMM | i went to look at what download options they have but i can't be arsed filling in some bogus details to get to the dl page |
| 12:46.04 | darxmurf | I can't find why :-/ |
| 12:46.13 | celyr | BCMM, they have 2 distributions |
| 12:46.54 | BCMM | i mean, when software does that you can usually unofficially use the ubuntu deb on debian |
| 12:47.03 | BCMM | but sometimes you have fun issues with correct versions of libs |
| 12:47.58 | ekn2 | celyr: I feel sorry for you if you have to use that software. Sounds pretty crappy |
| 12:48.10 | celyr | ekn2, I don't have to use that software |
| 12:48.11 | BCMM | i wonder why it's not packaged by debian... is it one of those open-source things that only really exists to support the proprietary components? |
| 12:48.29 | celyr | I have to use IBM Domino |
| 12:48.49 | celyr | and I'm trying to get away from that shit but unfortunately I have to meet a lot of requirements |
| 12:49.10 | celyr | the only real alternative is citadel, in the open source scenario |
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| 12:49.22 | ekn2 | IBM. "meet a lot of requirements". Sounds about right |
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| 12:50.30 | celyr | Funny thing is that they made the Ubuntu package |
| 12:50.33 | celyr | but it's not a deb |
| 12:50.36 | celyr | it's a tgz installer |
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| 12:50.50 | celyr | and it doesn't even install deb packages, no it's a standalone package |
| 12:51.13 | celyr | I really can't stand that |
| 12:51.19 | BCMM | oh god, is it all ./INSTALL.BIN like it's the 90s? |
| 12:51.46 | mosasaur | can someone pls check if it's just me where "import PyOpenSLL" causes a traceback on stretch |
| 12:52.22 | BCMM | mosasaur: i apologise for the stupid question, but is pyopenssl actually installed? |
| 12:52.23 | ekn2 | Seems like whoever made the software has little concern for their users time. |
| 12:52.30 | mosasaur | BCMM: yes |
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| 12:52.55 | BCMM | mosasaur: can you pastebin the traceback? |
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| 12:53.07 | mosasaur | BCMM: OK one moment |
| 12:53.22 | BCMM | mosasaur: also, is pyopenssl installed for the correct python version, and are you running the python version you think you are running? |
| 12:53.25 | apollo13 | mosasaur: you types SLL while it is SSL |
| 12:53.28 | apollo13 | typed* |
| 12:53.51 | mosasaur | apollo13: yeah sorry |
| 12:53.58 | apollo13 | and the module is named OpenSSL not PyOpenSSL |
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| 12:54.50 | mosasaur | apollo13: I'm talking about the python bindings to OpenSSL |
| 12:54.55 | apollo13 | mosasaur: me too |
| 12:55.03 | apollo13 | the import name is OpenSSL not PyOpenSSL |
| 12:55.08 | mosasaur | ah :( |
| 12:55.21 | mosasaur | pls wait for the paste |
| 12:55.26 | apollo13 | ah dpkg -L python-openssl would have made that clear ;) |
| 12:55.26 | BCMM | mosasaur: debian package python3-openssl creates the dir /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/OpenSSL |
| 12:55.35 | apollo13 | s/ah/a/ |
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| 12:55.58 | antiPosix | using debian (stretch), how can I mount a thumb drive every boot. I can add mount /dev/sda1 in fstab but what if the system is booted with multiple thumb drive in it, how, using udev can I distinguish between them so they get mounted accounting to uuid? |
| 12:55.59 | mosasaur | BCMM: it's for python2 |
| 12:56.27 | BCMM | i assume that's what python-openssl does |
| 12:57.54 | celyr | BCMM, yes install.bin -_- |
| 12:57.56 | mosasaur | BCMM and apollo13 : http://codepad.org/F7Gl8Zz7 |
| 12:58.43 | celyr | BCMM, do you have any suggestion for an open source collaboration suite like citadel ? |
| 12:59.06 | BCMM | celyr: no, sorry |
| 12:59.29 | celyr | but that...works the actual package of debian stretch for citadel doesn't work and this give me really little hope regarding the general mantainance state |
| 12:59.30 | BCMM | celyr: i've been feeling kind of glad i don't have to do anything that enterprisey ever since you said .tgz |
| 12:59.50 | BCMM | mosasaur: hmm, i installed python-openssl over here to try it |
| 12:59.54 | BCMM | and i don't get that error |
| 12:59.57 | BCMM | on sid fwiw |
| 12:59.59 | ekn2 | The Debian installer is really playing with my expectations. First it said only 10 minutes left to download files, then it jumped to 40, then it jumped back to 10. It doesn't show how fast it's downloading files. |
| 13:00.16 | BCMM | mosasaur: do you have the python-openssl package installed? or did you use pip or something? |
| 13:00.31 | mosasaur | BCMM: it's works fine on jessie too, but not on stretch |
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| 13:00.58 | mosasaur | BCMM: the distribution package |
| 13:02.03 | mosasaur | I tried the pip version too at some point, but it also gives a traceback |
| 13:02.32 | BCMM | no idea, sorry |
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| 13:03.05 | mosasaur | so I want to know if I fucked up or if someone else can confirm it on stretch |
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| 13:04.33 | BCMM | fair enough. i don't have stretch available, maybe apollo13 does? |
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| 13:05.50 | BluesKaj | mosasaur, no need for the F word |
| 13:06.17 | apollo13 | mosasaur: strace the process and if it loads the correct openssl library |
| 13:06.17 | mosasaur | specifically I have PyOpenSSL 16.2.0-1 |
| 13:06.32 | apollo13 | well yes, stretch implies that version |
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| 13:09.10 | ekn2 | This install better come with emojis. |
| 13:09.34 | apollo13 | mosasaur: also did you install __anything__ manually with pip? |
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| 13:14.27 | ekn2 | The installer has been running for about 43 minutes. |
| 13:14.28 | ekn2 | Damn |
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| 13:14.55 | BCMM | ekn2: apt install fonts-symbola gets emojies |
| 13:15.20 | BCMM | not colour ones iirc, but fonts should not be able to set colours |
| 13:16.06 | ekn2 | It doesn't come with emojis! Oh no! |
| 13:16.20 | ekn2 | BCMM: What do you mean I can't have color emojis?! |
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| 13:16.54 | ekn2 | Windows has them. I want them |
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| 13:17.51 | BCMM | ekn2: ð± |
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| 13:21.11 | mosasaur | apollo13: I had python-requests via pip for a while |
| 13:21.42 | apollo13 | mosasaur: get rid of that and see if that fixes it |
| 13:21.51 | mosasaur | apollo13: already done that |
| 13:21.55 | mosasaur | but no |
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| 13:22.05 | apollo13 | in general you should not mix system supplied packages with custom ones |
| 13:22.22 | apollo13 | what does pip list and pip list --user show? |
| 13:22.37 | ekn2 | BCMM: Sadly I can't see whatever you wrote on the Linux installation I am currently running |
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| 13:23.01 | ekn2 | I hope it was a clever emoji joke. |
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| 13:23.09 | BCMM | apt install font-symbola |
| 13:23.36 | ekn2 | Thank you. I'm still waiting for the Debian install to finish! |
| 13:23.37 | apollo13 | ah they finally migrated from ancients-fonts-symbola :D |
| 13:24.19 | ekn2 | I will be really happy if the installation of all my drivers is easy. |
| 13:24.20 | mosasaur | apollo13: yeah I was told that in #python-requests already, to use virtualenv |
| 13:24.30 | ekn2 | I have pretty low expectations though. |
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| 13:25.16 | ekn2 | Haven't used Debian in a while, but I'm hoping it requires less tinkering. |
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| 13:27.53 | mosasaur | apollo13: thanks, removing cffi via pips fixed my problem |
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| 13:31.25 | ekn2 | This install is so slowwww |
| 13:34.25 | BluesKaj | ekn2, netinstall ? |
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| 13:39.11 | ekn2 | BluesKaj: Yeah |
| 13:39.27 | ekn2 | Okay, now I'm dealing with a spooky message |
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| 13:40.49 | ekn2 | "The following other operating systems have been detected on this computer: Windows Vista; If all of your operating systems are listed above, then it should be safe to install the boot loader to the master boot record of your first hard drive. When your computer boots, you will be able to choose to load one of these operating systems or your new system. Install the GRUB boot loader to the master boot record? |
| 13:40.55 | ekn2 | No Yes |
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| 13:41.45 | dvs | Yes |
| 13:41.51 | remy | yes |
| 13:41.54 | BluesKaj | ekn2, UEFI or Bios? |
| 13:41.58 | ekn2 | I want to install the boot loader to the same drive I'm installing Debian on! |
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| 13:42.09 | ekn2 | I should have just unplugged the other hard drives so I wouldn't have to deal with this |
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| 13:42.18 | ekn2 | I'm installing to a USB stick |
| 13:42.22 | Ormu | what does that option even do? I think it asks for the place to install Grub anyway after that |
| 13:42.48 | ekn2 | I believe Bios. Earlier in the install it asked if I wanted to force UEFI and I said no |
| 13:42.52 | dvs | ekn2, you want to use the USB drive on other computers? |
| 13:42.55 | ekn2 | dvs: Yes |
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| 13:43.02 | ekn2 | I want it to be standalone |
| 13:43.15 | ekn2 | I don't want the installer to touch my other drives at all |
| 13:43.16 | dvs | ekn2, ah, those types of installs never work out. |
| 13:43.33 | ekn2 | dvs: Why? |
| 13:43.36 | BluesKaj | ekn2, then it is UEFI if asked about it |
| 13:43.57 | ekn2 | BluesKaj: I said not to force UEFI |
| 13:44.01 | dvs | ekn2, because the drive devices switch around on different computers. |
| 13:44.16 | ekn2 | dvs: There are no other drives |
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| 13:44.35 | ekn2 | None that the install should care about/use anyway |
| 13:44.46 | dvs | ekn2, ...on this computer |
| 13:44.51 | ekn2 | dvs: Or the other one |
| 13:44.56 | BluesKaj | BIOS wouldn't ask such a question , I have BIOS and that question never comes up , so it detected UEFI on your machine ekn2 |
| 13:44.56 | ekn2 | (My laptop) |
| 13:45.11 | ekn2 | Yeah, it said earlier it detected UEFI |
| 13:45.20 | ekn2 | But it also asked if I wanted to force UEFI and I said no |
| 13:45.33 | ekn2 | Because it said the install might not work on old systems |
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| 13:46.23 | ekn2 | The thing that is confusing about this message is it doesn't say the location of the master boot record |
| 13:46.24 | BluesKaj | then you're installing to legacy mode I think |
| 13:46.33 | ekn2 | I'm not sure if it's referring to the one on my other hard drive with windows on it |
| 13:46.57 | ekn2 | I want it to create boot partitions on the same drive (USB stick) |
| 13:47.03 | BluesKaj | if it sees windows it assumes mbr |
| 13:47.09 | ikus060 | Hello, I'm having trouble to install hplip plugin. The command `sudo hp-plugin` hang forever on a gpg command line. Running Debian stretch with hplip 3.16.11 |
| 13:47.29 | ekn2 | I should have just unplugged my hard drives... |
| 13:47.42 | ekn2 | I wonder if I can just click "Go Back", unplug my hard drives, then try again |
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| 13:48.18 | BluesKaj | ekn2, that might work |
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| 13:48.46 | ekn2 | Okay, I just said "No" and then it let me pick where to install it |
| 13:48.47 | ekn2 | Whew |
| 13:49.02 | BluesKaj | yup |
| 13:49.50 | ekn2 | Okay, here we go... |
| 13:49.53 | ekn2 | Booting |
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| 13:50.06 | ekn2 | I just see a black screen with a blinking underscore |
| 13:50.15 | ekn2 | Keyboard does nothing |
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| 13:50.32 | ekn2 | Ctrl + Alt + Del |
| 13:50.47 | ekn2 | Reboot |
| 13:50.51 | ekn2 | Same thing |
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| 13:51.45 | ekn2 | Damn, it doesn't work |
| 13:51.56 | BluesKaj | ekn2, make sure the drive you instaled debian on is first in the boot sequnce in the uefi/bios |
| 13:52.05 | ekn2 | BluesKaj: I manually booted the drive |
| 13:52.08 | ekn2 | From the BIOS |
| 13:53.15 | BluesKaj | it has to be first to boot , don't think you can maually boot from the bios |
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| 13:56.08 | ekn2 | BluesKaj: I'm having trouble finding how to change the boot order. The USB stick doesn't appear next to the hard drive |
| 13:56.15 | ekn2 | Still messing with it. |
| 13:56.31 | ekn2 | I don't see why you think I can't manually choose the USB stick. It seems to try to boot |
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| 13:57.28 | BluesKaj | ek when you choose it , that change has to be saved in the uefi/bios before exiting |
| 13:57.36 | ekn2 | Yeah, I know |
| 13:57.44 | ekn2 | Also, I found the boot order menu |
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| 13:58.08 | BluesKaj | usb boot should be available if that's what you want to boot |
| 13:58.10 | ekn2 | Okay, USB is first. Boots to same black screen with blinking underscore |
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| 13:58.43 | BluesKaj | then you haven't installed grub to it |
| 13:59.08 | ekn2 | I told the installer to install Grub to the USB stick |
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| 13:59.27 | ekn2 | I will try putting the drive in my laptop to see what's on it |
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| 14:00.09 | ekn2 | Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type |
| 14:00.09 | ekn2 | /dev/sdc1 2048 108636159 108634112 51.8G 83 Linux |
| 14:00.09 | ekn2 | /dev/sdc2 108638206 125302783 16664578 8G 5 Extended |
| 14:00.09 | ekn2 | /dev/sdc5 108638208 125302783 16664576 8G 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 14:00.24 | ekn2 | fdisk on the USB stick |
| 14:00.34 | ekn2 | Looks like no boot partition |
| 14:00.44 | greycat | Irrelevant. |
| 14:00.59 | ekn2 | Why is it irrelevant? |
| 14:01.09 | greycat | Nothing has cared about the "Boot" flag for 30 years. |
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| 14:01.24 | greycat | I think MS-DOS used it. |
| 14:01.28 | ekn2 | But isn't it normal for there to be a separate partition for Grub? |
| 14:01.35 | BluesKaj | there's no grub boot partition |
| 14:01.35 | celyr | i think that also windows 95 used it |
| 14:01.35 | greycat | No. Not even remotely. |
| 14:01.44 | ekn2 | So Grub could be on sdc1 |
| 14:01.57 | ekn2 | I guess I will mount that and see |
| 14:01.58 | greycat | GRUB is just written to the first few bytes of the disk, which is called the "master boot record" in legacy msdos partitining. |
| 14:02.11 | BCMM | greycat: i thought ntldr checked the boot flag? |
| 14:02.12 | greycat | GRUB should *not* be on sdc1, because that is a partition. |
| 14:02.20 | ekn2 | Grub is on sdc1 |
| 14:02.21 | BluesKaj | try differnt drives as first in boot , to find grub' |
| 14:02.34 | ekn2 | I see boot/grub/... |
| 14:02.42 | ekn2 | Unless that is just config stuff |
| 14:03.01 | ekn2 | Oh, it is |
| 14:03.02 | BluesKaj | that's uefi on windows |
| 14:03.13 | ekn2 | BluesKaj: I don't understand your instructions |
| 14:03.25 | ekn2 | How do I tell if this USB stick has Grub on it? |
| 14:03.38 | greycat | ekn2: he was telling you to simply tell the computer to try booting from the stick |
| 14:03.45 | ekn2 | greycat: I already did |
| 14:03.55 | ekn2 | I manually selected it in the BIOS boot menu |
| 14:04.04 | BCMM | ekn2: file -s /dev/sdWhatever |
| 14:04.04 | ekn2 | I also set the USB stick as the first device in the boot orer |
| 14:04.07 | ekn2 | *order |
| 14:04.18 | BCMM | ekn2: file can identify grub boot sectors |
| 14:04.38 | ekn2 | /dev/sdc: DOS/MBR boot sector; partition 1 : ID=0x83, start-CHS (0x0,32,33), end-CHS (0x3ff,254,63), startsector 2048, 108634112 sectors; partition 2 : ID=0x5, start-CHS (0x3ff,254,63), end-CHS (0x3ff,254,63), startsector 108638206, 16664578 sectors |
| 14:04.44 | greycat | BCMM: On mine it just says "/dev/sda: DOS/MBR boot sector" |
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| 14:04.51 | ekn2 | Looks fine |
| 14:05.17 | BCMM | greycat: are you booting with efi? |
| 14:05.20 | greycat | ... ekn2 gave it /dev/sdc1 NOT /dev/sdc |
| 14:05.34 | BCMM | i've got "/dev/sdc: DOS/MBR boot sector, LInux i386 boot LOader; GRand Unified Bootloader, stage1 version 0x3, stage2 address 0x2000, stage2 segment 0x200" for a plain old-fashioned BIOS boot setup |
| 14:05.47 | ekn2 | I did "file -s /dev/sdc" |
| 14:06.11 | greycat | Then why did it say "partition 1" and all that startsector stuff? |
| 14:06.18 | ekn2 | I don't know |
| 14:06.26 | ekn2 | Maybe my file program is different from yours |
| 14:06.40 | ekn2 | file-5.25 |
| 14:06.41 | ekn2 | magic file from /usr/share/misc/magic |
| 14:06.44 | ekn2 | "file -v" |
| 14:06.55 | BCMM | file-5.31 |
| 14:06.57 | BCMM | magic file from /etc/magic:/usr/share/misc/magic |
| 14:07.01 | ekn2 | There you go |
| 14:07.04 | ekn2 | It depends on system config |
| 14:07.20 | ekn2 | Anyway, looks like the MBR is on there |
| 14:07.22 | BCMM | i feel like it's worked for a long time though, so might be that you have a more minimal magic database |
| 14:07.31 | greycat | wooledg:~$ file --version | head -1; sudo file /dev/sda |
| 14:07.31 | greycat | file-5.30 |
| 14:07.31 | greycat | /dev/sda: block special (8/0) |
| 14:07.41 | greycat | oops |
| 14:07.43 | celyr | greycat, I have your very same version |
| 14:07.46 | ekn2 | Should we care about this anyway? |
| 14:07.55 | greycat | file -s /dev/sda => /dev/sda: DOS/MBR boot sector |
| 14:08.17 | BCMM | it can also get version information and various other stuff out of linux kernel images |
| 14:08.25 | ekn2 | file-5.25 |
| 14:08.29 | ekn2 | Oops |
| 14:08.48 | BCMM | greycat: you could also try loading it up as a VM, see if it runs |
| 14:08.49 | celyr | greycat, and your very same output |
| 14:08.50 | ekn2 | Is the fact that I am trying to boot this stick from a UEFI Bios a problem? |
| 14:08.59 | BCMM | kvm --snapshot /dev/sdc |
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| 14:09.00 | celyr | ,v file |
| 14:09.01 | judd | Package: file on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.11-2+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 5.11-2+deb7u9; wheezy-backports: 1:5.22+15-2~bpo7+1; jessie: 1:5.22+15-2+deb8u3; buster: 1:5.30-1; stretch: 1:5.30-1; sid: 1:5.31-1 |
| 14:09.13 | BCMM | ekn2: do you have legacy boot enabled? |
| 14:09.19 | celyr | are you guys really using sid ? sigh |
| 14:09.22 | ekn2 | BCMM: I don't know. I'll check for that |
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| 14:09.37 | greycat | Now I'm curious what ekn2 is using. |
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| 14:09.49 | ekn2 | greycat: My file program? |
| 14:10.20 | BCMM | i meant to highlight ekn2 not greycat in my message about using kvm |
| 14:10.22 | greycat | ekn2: you appear not to be using a Debian release version |
| 14:10.30 | ekn2 | greycat: I'm not. I'm on Gentoo |
| 14:10.31 | celyr | greycat, 10 euro on ubuntu |
| 14:10.40 | celyr | damn lost them |
| 14:10.46 | greycat | ... then why are you here? |
| 14:10.55 | ekn2 | I'm installing Debian |
| 14:11.02 | ekn2 | ...on a USB stick |
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| 14:11.11 | BCMM | ekn2: ... you're on gentoo and you can't do a weird install of a bootloader to a non-standard location? |
| 14:11.44 | ekn2 | BCMM: I picked the noobiest way to install Debian I could to see how user-friendly it would be |
| 14:11.52 | ekn2 | Because Debian is supposed to be user-friendly |
| 14:12.05 | BCMM | ekn2: are you trying to install debian on the usb stick, or use the usb stick to install debian on your computer? |
| 14:12.07 | ekn2 | Apparently they never expected people to install to a USB stick |
| 14:12.17 | BCMM | ekn2: have you tried the debian website? |
| 14:12.34 | BCMM | ekn2: the debian live ISO image can be dd'ed straight to a usb |
| 14:12.37 | ekn2 | I am trying to install Debian to a USB stick using an installer on another USB stick |
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| 14:12.42 | greycat | People have installed Debian onto USB devices plenty of times. |
| 14:12.50 | BCMM | it's a hybrid image that will work for CD and USB |
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| 14:12.55 | ekn2 | And of course the website is the first place I started |
| 14:13.09 | ekn2 | I am not interested in running a live environment |
| 14:13.14 | ekn2 | I want a permanent install on a USB stick |
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| 14:13.39 | ekn2 | I hope that answers all the questions! Whew |
| 14:13.56 | ekn2 | Going to try to find this legacy boot mode option in my BIOS |
| 14:14.05 | wt3r4 | ekn2: using ext2/3/4 filesystems (or anything more complex than fat) on usb sticks is a bad idea anyway. it. will. be. slow. |
| 14:14.32 | ekn2 | wt3r4: I don't care |
| 14:14.32 | greycat | Hmm, on the *home* computer I get: /dev/sda: DOS/MBR boot sector; partition 1 : ID=0xee, start-CHS (0x0,0,1), end-CHS (0x3ff,254,63), startsector 1, 1953525167 sectors, extended partition table (last) |
| 14:14.42 | BluesKaj | !persistent install |
| 14:14.52 | greycat | Home computer has an EFI partition and all that jazz. Work computer does not. |
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| 14:15.30 | BCMM | ekn2: you can set up persistence after installing debian live |
| 14:15.51 | greycat | Or you can simply install on the USB stick as if it were a slow hard drive. |
| 14:16.00 | ekn2 | BCMM: Why would I do that instead of just installing a permanent install to begin with? |
| 14:16.07 | wt3r4 | BCMM: even live persistence will show how bad usb sticks perform when used with non-fat filesystems |
| 14:16.07 | ekn2 | greycat: That was my plan |
| 14:16.10 | BCMM | ekn2: i don't know why you think what you're doing is a normal thing to do, tbh |
| 14:16.23 | ekn2 | I never said it was |
| 14:16.35 | BCMM | ekn2: you should realise that it's a significantly non-standard setup and that it will not be the default behaviour for teh gui installer |
| 14:16.47 | BCMM | you said you were trying to do a noobish install of debian to see how user friendly it is |
| 14:17.09 | ekn2 | Yes I did |
| 14:17.44 | BluesKaj | not a very user friendly method |
| 14:17.53 | ekn2 | Even if it's not normal, it doesn't seem that hard to treat a USB stick like any other hard drive |
| 14:18.45 | ekn2 | I would really like to get back to focusing on getting this working than debating whether what I'm doing is a good idea |
| 14:18.47 | BCMM | look, your current problem is that when you run the debian installer, it assumes you're trying to install debian on the machine you're currently using |
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| 14:18.53 | BCMM | that's a fair assumption... |
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| 14:19.17 | dvs | never work out |
| 14:19.32 | greycat | If he actually installed onto the USB device (partitioned msdos) *and* wrote GRUB to the beginning of the USB device (not sdc1 but sdc) then it ought to work. |
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| 14:19.32 | BluesKaj | install to a proper hdd or ssd partition is the best user friendly method that results in a user friendly OS |
| 14:19.46 | wt3r4 | i did a small test installation in qemu/kvm (using the default gfx card in qemu which is cirrus). now since the Xorg server had the suid bit removed, normal users cannot do startx anymore, because the cirrus xorg driver still needs IOPL capability. is this a known bug? |
| 14:19.49 | BCMM | anyway, if you want to actually fix this, just tell the installer to not bother with a bootloader, chroot the stick, and install grub. details intentionally left out because i assume you've read the gentoo handbook |
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| 14:20.13 | ekn2 | BCMM: Yes, I have already made a Gentoo USB stick doing this |
| 14:20.18 | greycat | wt3r4: you need to make sure xserver-xorg-legacy is installed |
| 14:20.38 | BCMM | ekn2: i mean, let the debian installer finish without installing a bootloader, then chroot |
| 14:20.46 | BCMM | that way you get total control over how and where grub goes |
| 14:20.56 | ekn2 | I don't really care about having total control for this |
| 14:21.05 | wt3r4 | greycat: drm/modesetting is not possibile with the cirrus card? |
| 14:21.06 | ekn2 | I just wanted it to work |
| 14:21.48 | ekn2 | Anyway, at some point I think I will have to stop responding as it seems everyone has turned from trying to help me to criticizing me, and I still haven't had a moment to look at my BIOS options as previously suggested |
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| 14:22.56 | wt3r4 | wt3r4: i thought the cirrusdrmfb kernel driver would just do that. so i am a bit surprised that the xorg driver still needs IOPL stuff. |
| 14:23.16 | BluesKaj | ekn2,well, just ignore us and check your otions :-) |
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| 14:23.54 | ekn2 | Bios says "UEFI and Legacy OpROM" selected under "Boot Device Control" |
| 14:24.33 | ekn2 | "Legacy OpROM first " selected under "Boot from Storage Devices" |
| 14:25.31 | BluesKaj | no need to list all that just try the drives that have OSs |
| 14:25.44 | ekn2 | BluesKaj: I don't know what you mean |
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| 14:26.21 | BluesKaj | drives or partitions that have OSs might have grub |
| 14:26.58 | ekn2 | I'm not sure what you're suggesting I do at the moment. It seems like you're suggesting I try booting things |
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| 14:27.16 | BluesKaj | uhh, yeahh |
| 14:27.17 | ekn2 | I haven't changed the BIOS settings since the last boot of the USB stick which failed |
| 14:27.38 | BluesKaj | then do so |
| 14:27.54 | ekn2 | I don't see anything I should change. loll |
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| 14:29.14 | ToHellWithGA | is it okay to switch from stretch to testing now, or is there no real "testing" yet? |
| 14:29.38 | greycat | There is a "real" testing. |
| 14:29.39 | dvs | ToHellWithGA, Well, if you want testing, go for it. |
| 14:30.01 | greycat | With all the funny breaking and so on. |
| 14:30.14 | nkuttler | i had nothing break. that's not fair, where's the fun for me |
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| 14:30.38 | ToHellWithGA | i was unclear. is there a testing version, between stable and unstable, right now or is it not really going yet? |
| 14:30.56 | ToHellWithGA | i got the impression that for a few months after stretch going stable there wouldn't really be testing |
| 14:31.01 | greycat | https://serverfault.com/questions/61400/how-do-i-tell-if-grub-is-installed-on-a-device#answer-289154 |
| 14:31.20 | BluesKaj | ekn2, ok, nevermind ...I'm done |
| 14:31.54 | greycat | ToHellWithGA: How much more clear do we have to be? YES. YES. We said YES. |
| 14:31.55 | ekn2 | BluesKaj: Thanks for your help |
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| 14:32.12 | Tenkawa | oops wrong commnd |
| 14:32.23 | BluesKaj | ok ekn2 , good luck |
| 14:32.34 | BCMM | Tenkawa: wait, /join? or starting irc in the first place? |
| 14:32.57 | Tenkawa | BCMM: /disc instead of /part a diff channel |
| 14:33.03 | Tenkawa | haahaa |
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| 14:36.03 | Tenkawa | like i said... completely wrong command |
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| 14:37.34 | antiPosix | when I boot my raspberry pi running jessie it automatically mounts a USB drive in /media/uuid. Where in the boot process does that happen and can I disable it? |
| 14:38.03 | antiPosix | my client froze and I'm not sure if I double posted my question. I've terribly sorry if I did. |
| 14:38.13 | greycat | Is that Debian jessie or Raspbian jessie? |
| 14:38.18 | dvs | antiPosix, try lookin in /etc/fstab |
| 14:38.24 | antiPosix | raspbian jessie |
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| 14:38.30 | greycat | !raspbian |
| 14:38.30 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 14:38.39 | ToHellWithGA | greycat: thanks. i thought i was unclear, not y'all. i'll switch to testing and get out of your collective hairs. |
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| 14:38.57 | antiPosix | I understand that, but it stil employs the same udev fs as stock debian |
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| 14:39.27 | greycat | The boot sequence is the *most* distro-specific thing. |
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| 15:03.21 | ekn2 | Hello. I restarted my laptop to test the USB stick on it, and I get the same black screen with blinking curson when I try to boot the USB stick on my laptop. |
| 15:03.26 | ekn2 | *cursor |
| 15:03.41 | ekn2 | I'm not |
| 15:03.43 | ekn2 | oops |
| 15:04.06 | greycat | Did you try this, by chance? https://serverfault.com/questions/61400/how-do-i-tell-if-grub-is-installed-on-a-device#answer-289154 |
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| 15:04.46 | ekn2 | greycat: I already pasted the output of file -s here. Did I miss something? |
| 15:04.58 | greycat | Yeah, file -s is not useful with grub2. |
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| 15:05.13 | ekn2 | greycat: But the top answer says to use file -s |
| 15:05.25 | greycat | That's why I used the anchor to the NEXT answer which actually works with grub2. |
| 15:05.32 | ekn2 | Also, does Debian install Grub legacy or Grub 2? |
| 15:05.41 | ekn2 | greycat: Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that |
| 15:05.45 | greycat | Current versions are grub2. |
| 15:06.53 | ekn2 | greycat: I get no output with that method |
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| 15:07.16 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze is where I think they switched to grub2 by default |
| 15:07.29 | ekn2 | Okay |
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| 15:07.35 | greycat | ekn2: If you don't see the same output as in the thread's answer, then grub is not installed on that device. |
| 15:07.48 | ekn2 | Alright, great to know! |
| 15:08.00 | ekn2 | So the Debian installer failed for some reason |
| 15:08.22 | ekn2 | I wonder what would happen if I ran the installer again and selected the existing USB stick install |
| 15:08.28 | greycat | Possibly, yes. Hence the earlier suggestion (I forget whose) to chroot into the stick and redo the "install grub" step. |
| 15:08.41 | ekn2 | Okay, I could try that |
| 15:09.00 | ekn2 | I'm a little worried the manual method wont mesh with whatever Debian does, but I'm willing to give it a shot |
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| 15:10.09 | ekn2 | greycat: Do you have any idea why the Debian installer failed? |
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| 15:10.24 | greycat | not off hand, no |
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| 15:11.01 | ekn2 | Part of me wants to understand why so that I don't have to manually install Grub with future Debian installs |
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| 15:11.17 | ekn2 | I'm tempted to run the installer again and try some things differently first |
| 15:11.40 | ekn2 | Also, I can report more detailed information here this time |
| 15:12.11 | ekn2 | Although I'm also afraid I will have to wait for all the packages to download again if the installer is not smart enough to detect a previous install |
| 15:12.59 | greycat | I would just do the base install, make sure it boots, *then* install all the extra stuff once it's running normally. |
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| 15:14.29 | ekn2 | greycat: That's a good idea. I hadn't considered it since it wasn't an option I saw in the graphical install |
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| 15:15.52 | ekn2 | greycat: Do you recommend a particular installer? |
| 15:16.10 | ekn2 | "Expert install" or "Graphical expert install"? |
| 15:16.18 | greycat | Net install. Regular mode, whatever that is. |
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| 15:16.44 | ekn2 | I don't see net install |
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| 15:16.48 | greycat | !netinst |
| 15:16.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 15:17.09 | greycat | Or the one with non-free firmware if your computer needs that for networking. |
| 15:17.09 | ekn2 | Oh |
| 15:17.16 | cotty22 | Hi. At debian setup it asked for DNS and I entered it. How can I change it now? |
| 15:17.21 | ekn2 | Well I do have the debian-9.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 15:17.35 | greycat | cotty22: edit the /etc/resolv.conf file, but do note that dhcp clients will usually overwrite your changes |
| 15:17.38 | celyr | cotty22, /etc/resolv.conf or /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:17.53 | celyr | meow |
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| 15:18.02 | cotty22 | Thank you greycat celyr |
| 15:18.04 | cotty22 | meow |
| 15:18.09 | ekn2 | I'm not sure what installer will allow me to install only the base system. I assume Expert install will allow me do to anything, but I don't know if it's necessary to pick that one |
| 15:18.30 | celyr | ekn2, every installer will allow you to |
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| 15:18.43 | ekn2 | celyr: I didn't see it with the Graphical install |
| 15:18.52 | cluelessperson | hey guys, I've recently switched to Debian 9, how do I rename interfaces using SystemD? It seems to be ignoring my /etc/systemd/network/90-interface.link files |
| 15:18.53 | ekn2 | I'll try again. Maybe I wasn't paying attention or I forgot |
| 15:18.55 | celyr | you just deselect everything from the menu |
| 15:19.02 | celyr | when you select what to install |
| 15:19.07 | greycat | I have never used an "expert" or a "graphical" installer. |
| 15:19.08 | ekn2 | Okay here we go |
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| 15:21.49 | ekn2 | Okay, here's the part about UEFI |
| 15:21.53 | ekn2 | Going to give more detail this time |
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| 15:23.38 | ekn2 | "This machine's firmware has started the installer in UEFI mode but it looks like there may be existing operating systems already installed using "BIOS compatibility mode". If you continue to install Debian in UEFI mode, it might be difficult to reboot the machine into any BIOS-mode operating systems later. If you wish to install in UEFI mode and don't care about keeping the ability to boot one of the |
| 15:23.45 | ekn2 | existing systems, you have the option to force that here. If you wish to keep the option to boot an existing operating system, you should choose NOT to force UEFI installation here. Force UEFI installation? No Yes |
| 15:23.48 | ekn2 | I selected "No" last time |
| 15:24.02 | celyr | ekn2, well |
| 15:24.06 | celyr | do you have any other OS ? |
| 15:24.10 | ekn2 | Yes |
| 15:24.20 | celyr | and are they in bios compatibility mode ? |
| 15:24.47 | ekn2 | I don't see any reason to install UEFI when that would only limit the devices I could boot the USB stick on |
| 15:25.06 | ekn2 | I'm not sure what BIOS my laptop has |
| 15:25.11 | celyr | then say no |
| 15:25.20 | ekn2 | Pragmatically, I only intent to boot the stick on my desktop and laptop |
| 15:25.24 | ekn2 | *intend |
| 15:25.38 | ekn2 | But I'd like to keep my options open if there isn't a reason not to |
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| 15:25.51 | ekn2 | Okay, so I said "No" again |
| 15:26.04 | ekn2 | Maybe I should do manual partitioning this time. |
| 15:26.12 | ekn2 | I did "Guided -use entire disk" last time |
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| 15:26.47 | celyr | why ? |
| 15:27.05 | ekn2 | Yeah, I don't think I need to |
| 15:27.25 | greycat | Installing on a USB stick, I would imagine you just make one giant partition. |
| 15:27.37 | greycat | Well, "giant" being relative. |
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| 15:27.44 | ekn2 | Yeah |
| 15:27.59 | greycat | You for damned sure don't want to swap to this thing.... |
| 15:28.00 | ekn2 | I mean, I want the installer to do everything automatically, but I know how that worked last time! |
| 15:28.05 | ekn2 | Just seeing what I can do differently |
| 15:28.17 | ekn2 | Well, the default actually does create a swap partition |
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| 15:28.34 | celyr | greycat, maybe that USB stick has a 120GB flash cache |
| 15:28.41 | ekn2 | I don't really see the harm. It will be slow, but I probably wont run out of RAM anyway |
| 15:28.51 | ekn2 | It is USB 3 though |
| 15:28.58 | iodev | hi greycat |
| 15:28.59 | celyr | lols |
| 15:29.07 | celyr | ekn2, just go without swap |
| 15:29.16 | ekn2 | I really don't care either way if it has a swap partition. I just chose the default last time which was with swap |
| 15:29.26 | ekn2 | I'm not really going to use much space on this thing |
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| 15:30.12 | ekn2 | Guess I have to do manual partitioning |
| 15:30.19 | ekn2 | I'll just make one big ext4 |
| 15:30.31 | greycat | I almost always do manual partitions. |
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| 15:33.12 | ekn2 | Some weird defaults here |
| 15:33.13 | celyr | greycat, I have a question for you |
| 15:33.17 | ekn2 | Default mount point is /home |
| 15:33.46 | greycat | For a hard drive install, separate /home is much more desirable. |
| 15:34.09 | ekn2 | This is so weird |
| 15:34.12 | ekn2 | I'm stuck in a loop |
| 15:34.31 | ekn2 | I created one ext4 partition with / mount point and boot flag on |
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| 15:34.47 | ekn2 | When I click Continue, it just takes me back to the same menu |
| 15:34.55 | celyr | greycat, I have resized my /dev/sdb1 to add 200GB, what should I have used for resizing the partition ? Usually I used fdisk for partitioning but it didn't help me for resizing so I had to use parted, the problem with parted is that I had to specify the size like end = 400gb and it did not look precise to me so I think that now the partition doesn't end where the disk ends |
| 15:35.09 | ekn2 | Maybe I need to "Go back" and move on to "Install the base system" |
| 15:35.10 | celyr | note it's a virtual disk so |
| 15:35.16 | ekn2 | Nah |
| 15:35.17 | celyr | also the disk size was "changed" |
| 15:35.28 | ekn2 | If I go back to Partition disks my table is unchanged from the last install |
| 15:35.31 | greycat | celyr: gparted would probably be my first choice for recommending a partition growing/shrinking tool |
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| 15:35.45 | ekn2 | Ah |
| 15:35.49 | celyr | greycat, I don't really have a GUI |
| 15:35.55 | ekn2 | There's a Finish parititoning and write changes t odisk |
| 15:35.58 | greycat | Then have fun reading the parted manual. |
| 15:36.16 | celyr | greycat, I did read it but it just doesn't allow to say resize it to the end of the disk |
| 15:36.22 | celyr | I was really disappointed |
| 15:36.42 | greycat | It probably would let you do whatever you want if you can guess what to type. |
| 15:37.16 | greycat | It's a tool that most people use like 1 to 3 times *ever*, so nobody has a lot of expertise with it. |
| 15:37.18 | celyr | parted is very wired |
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| 15:37.41 | ekn2 | Try fdisk |
| 15:37.43 | ekn2 | hah |
| 15:37.48 | ekn2 | Reliable at least |
| 15:37.49 | celyr | fdisk is super easy to use |
| 15:37.51 | Ormu | :o |
| 15:37.53 | celyr | but can't resize |
| 15:37.57 | Antares | https://pp.userapi.com/c638722/v638722321/4bce5/zRUiAbD2BDE.jpg |
| 15:38.07 | tw | I don't think parted does either. |
| 15:38.08 | Ormu | gparted (live CD if necessary) is always a good choice |
| 15:38.16 | ekn2 | Resizing is iffy anyway, right |
| 15:38.24 | iodev | ekn2: tell me about it |
| 15:38.30 | celyr | tw, I did it with parted yesterday |
| 15:38.32 | iodev | resized/moved yesterday |
| 15:38.42 | iodev | celyr: let me guess, you moved /boot too? |
| 15:38.42 | celyr | give high five to iodev |
| 15:38.51 | celyr | iodev, nah |
| 15:38.54 | tw | Well, the syntax for "end of disk" is 100% |
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| 15:39.03 | celyr | tw, are you sure ? |
| 15:39.05 | iodev | because, I did, am a certified idiot. |
| 15:39.22 | celyr | checks |
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| 15:39.32 | tw | Pretty sure it will take that to mean until next partition bounary. |
| 15:39.35 | tw | *boundary. |
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| 15:40.27 | iodev | moving /boot to the left and resizing it ruined grub |
| 15:40.29 | limbo_ | how do I use dphys-swapfile to mount a second swapfile I made on boot. Or, how do I get it to increase the size of an existing swapfile on next boot? |
| 15:40.52 | celyr | tw, I knew i did fuck up :( https://paste.debian.net/980790/ |
| 15:41.00 | celyr | 500mb unused |
| 15:41.42 | tw | Fdisk doesn't gpt either. Needs gdisk for that. |
| 15:42.05 | celyr | # fdisk --version |
| 15:42.05 | celyr | fdisk from util-linux 2.29.2 |
| 15:42.10 | celyr | my fdisk has no problem with gtp ? |
| 15:42.14 | celyr | gpt* |
| 15:42.31 | ekn2 | It looks like after setting up the partition table, the installer goes straight to installing packages |
| 15:42.47 | tw | Hmm, maybe things have changed on the fdisk front. |
| 15:42.51 | ekn2 | It's not clear to me if only the base packages are being installed |
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| 15:43.03 | greycat | ekn2: at this point yes, it's just the base. |
| 15:43.24 | greycat | There should be a dialog later that lets you select "standard", "openssh server", "desktop", etc. |
| 15:43.27 | ekn2 | Well, as I feared, I will have to wait for all of these to download and install again |
| 15:43.30 | celyr | tw, for sure: https://paste.debian.net/980791/ |
| 15:43.34 | ekn2 | It took about an hour last time |
| 15:43.55 | ekn2 | Oh |
| 15:44.00 | ekn2 | Here is a dialog I forgot about |
| 15:44.05 | greycat | It's not downloading (much?) (anything?) at this point. The time it takes is writing to that USB device. |
| 15:44.15 | ekn2 | So I can uncheck "Debian desktop environment", etc. |
| 15:44.19 | limbo_ | nvm got it. |
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| 15:44.32 | ekn2 | Alright, I unchecked everything. Cool |
| 15:44.41 | ekn2 | Forgot about that |
| 15:44.49 | ekn2 | Ooo |
| 15:44.56 | ekn2 | It says "Installing GRUB boot loader" |
| 15:45.03 | ekn2 | And I saw a grub2 package flash by |
| 15:45.12 | ekn2 | Okay, here come some details |
| 15:45.22 | greycat | The actually installation of GRUB into the "MBR" is at the very end. |
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| 15:46.11 | ekn2 | "Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk... You need to make the newly installed system bootable, by installing the GRUB boot loader on a bootable device. The usual way to do this is to install GRUB on the master boot record of your first hard drive. If you prefer, you can install GRUB elsewhere on the drive, or to another drive, or even to a floppy. Device for boot loader installation: ..." |
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| 15:46.23 | celyr | tw, it seems that you are right 100% should work I'll check that |
| 15:46.38 | ekn2 | I unplugged my hard drives, so the only options are the USB stick the installer is running from, and the USB stick I am trying to install Debian to |
| 15:46.51 | ekn2 | So I select of course the latter |
| 15:47.02 | ekn2 | There is alos an "Enter device manually" |
| 15:47.02 | celyr | ekn2, too easy |
| 15:47.07 | ekn2 | also |
| 15:47.25 | ekn2 | Okay, "Running "grub-install/...something" |
| 15:47.32 | ekn2 | "Installation complete" |
| 15:47.45 | ekn2 | Reboot |
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| 15:47.48 | ekn2 | Unplug installer USB |
| 15:47.54 | ekn2 | omg |
| 15:47.57 | ekn2 | It worked |
| 15:47.58 | ekn2 | wtf |
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| 15:48.05 | ekn2 | Wait |
| 15:48.08 | ekn2 | Now what's happening |
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| 15:48.18 | ekn2 | I saw Grub for a second |
| 15:48.29 | ekn2 | Now I'm back at the black screen with blinking underscore |
| 15:48.34 | ekn2 | [ |
| 15:48.37 | ekn2 | Oooh |
| 15:48.39 | ekn2 | Busybox |
| 15:48.50 | ekn2 | "Gave up waiting for root file system device..." |
| 15:49.04 | greycat | Progress! |
| 15:49.06 | ekn2 | Debian installer |
| 15:49.08 | ekn2 | You dun fucked up |
| 15:49.16 | celyr | ekn2, when you see grub type e |
| 15:49.23 | celyr | you just have to fix a bit the root |
| 15:49.27 | ekn2 | Okay, I need to reboot |
| 15:49.32 | ekn2 | See what it said |
| 15:49.52 | ekn2 | Alright, I'll try pressing e |
| 15:49.59 | ekn2 | Oh, it's the config |
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| 15:50.25 | ekn2 | Ohhh |
| 15:50.27 | ekn2 | I know what happened |
| 15:50.30 | ekn2 | God damn you installer |
| 15:50.34 | ekn2 | You're so stupid |
| 15:50.38 | ekn2 | The device letters changed I bet |
| 15:50.52 | ekn2 | I see root=/dev/sdb1 |
| 15:50.58 | ekn2 | I bet it's a now |
| 15:51.20 | ekn2 | Because the installer USB stick was a before |
| 15:51.35 | greycat | I'm surprised it's using sdxy device nodes at all, and not UUIDs. |
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| 15:51.49 | ekn2 | I also see some UUIDs here |
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| 15:52.15 | ekn2 | Lots of if elses |
| 15:52.56 | celyr | ekn2, just |
| 15:53.06 | ekn2 | It uses a search ... --set=root UUID |
| 15:53.06 | celyr | boot your sda and fix your grub config later |
| 15:53.10 | celyr | no need to fix it now |
| 15:53.25 | ekn2 | Then below there is a linux /boot/vmlinuz... root=/dev/sdb1 |
| 15:53.30 | celyr | greycat, by default after the installer it deosn't use the UUID |
| 15:53.34 | ekn2 | So I'm just going to change that to /dev/sda1 and see what happens |
| 15:54.09 | ekn2 | Now some more crap |
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| 15:54.24 | celyr | how informative kek |
| 15:54.58 | ekn2 | "firmware: failed to load rtl_nic/r18168f-1.fw (-2)" |
| 15:54.58 | ekn2 | "kvm: disabled by bios" |
| 15:55.13 | jelly | we don't need a blow by blow. |
| 15:55.16 | e2 | i have this problem |
| 15:55.24 | ekn2 | Uh, this is pretty much all the info |
| 15:55.31 | e2 | fixed from recomve settings in start |
| 15:55.35 | greycat | you can install nonfree firmware to fix that one |
| 15:55.39 | jelly | and it doesn't move from that point on? |
| 15:55.42 | ekn2 | Nope |
| 15:56.03 | e2 | not fixed alredy |
| 15:56.03 | greycat | ,file r18168f-1.fw |
| 15:56.07 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 15:56.11 | ekn2 | is rtl register transfer language? |
| 15:56.11 | ekn2 | Not sure what this rtl_nic thing is in this context |
| 15:56.13 | greycat | or... maybe? |
| 15:56.13 | e2 | it is from image |
| 15:56.21 | celyr | no wait |
| 15:56.31 | e2 | cd |
| 15:56.39 | ekn2 | What is the problem here? |
| 15:56.39 | ekn2 | I don't know |
| 15:56.41 | celyr | rtl_nic it's just an ethernet card it should not forbid you to boot |
| 15:56.46 | jelly | hmm. boot again, and in addition to setting the right root= parameter, also remove the word "quiet" from the same linux ... line, see if that makes it more verbose |
| 15:56.51 | celyr | something else is going on also kvm disable is not a problem |
| 15:56.55 | e2 | boot must blocked this |
| 15:57.02 | celyr | listen to jelly |
| 15:57.11 | ekn2 | realtek driver |
| 15:57.29 | ekn2 | jelly: Alright |
| 15:57.30 | celyr | is realtek still a thing wtf |
| 15:57.35 | jelly | neither rtl firmware nor kvm info notice are fatal |
| 15:57.42 | ekn2 | Okay |
| 15:57.43 | e2 | yes |
| 15:57.50 | ekn2 | So something else failed after that with no message |
| 15:58.02 | jelly | how long do you wait after that? |
| 15:58.09 | ekn2 | Minutes |
| 15:58.10 | ekn2 | I just rebooted |
| 15:58.18 | ekn2 | So the whole time we were talking it was stuck on that |
| 15:58.19 | jelly | is it at least 2 minutes (120s)? |
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| 15:58.23 | ekn2 | Yes |
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| 15:58.44 | ekn2 | Hey |
| 15:58.48 | jelly | yeah, that ought not happen, initramfs should give up after 90s for most reasons |
| 15:58.48 | ekn2 | My Grub config is back to how it was |
| 15:58.55 | ekn2 | If I run with F10 it doesn't save the config? |
| 15:59.01 | celyr | no |
| 15:59.05 | e2 | dont install wine |
| 15:59.14 | e2 | right,and hear me |
| 15:59.16 | jelly | fuck does wine have to do with anyway |
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| 15:59.21 | jelly | anything* |
| 15:59.40 | ekn2 | Whoa |
| 15:59.40 | ekn2 | A lot more messages this time |
| 15:59.40 | ekn2 | It gets pretty fare |
| 15:59.40 | e2 | any person this soft vtuhivaet |
| 15:59.42 | ekn2 | far |
| 15:59.47 | ekn2 | Aaaand of course it's Nvidia |
| 15:59.58 | e2 | spam |
| 16:00.05 | e2 | t my MIME linux |
| 16:00.13 | e2 | to* |
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| 16:00.29 | ekn2 | Okay, I can't tell where it actually failed |
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| 16:00.34 | jelly | e2: do you have an actual debian question? |
| 16:00.45 | ekn2 | But some of the last messages are related to Nvidia and nouveau |
| 16:00.45 | jelly | !ask |
| 16:00.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:00.55 | e2 | yes firmw |
| 16:01.08 | e2 | from boot |
| 16:01.12 | jelly | !enter |
| 16:01.13 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:01.17 | e2 | and another errors |
| 16:01.21 | ekn2 | nouveau failed to load |
| 16:01.25 | e2 | 2 another errror |
| 16:01.40 | e2 | my PC is down then me away |
| 16:01.44 | ekn2 | Oh hey |
| 16:01.47 | ekn2 | I have a login prompt |
| 16:01.48 | ekn2 | wtf |
| 16:01.55 | ekn2 | I just pressed entered and it scrolled down |
| 16:01.58 | ekn2 | *enter |
| 16:02.00 | e2 | and need to reboot and delete hacks |
| 16:02.34 | jelly | e2: your English is rather poor, hard to figure out which issue you're focusing on. Maybe |
| 16:02.35 | jelly | !ru |
| 16:02.36 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 16:02.45 | ekn2 | Okay, so it seems to be working |
| 16:02.53 | ekn2 | Yay |
| 16:03.02 | greycat | e2: I do not have the patience to try to /lastlog you and piece together whatever your question is. Please ask ONE question in ONE line of IRC, with all the necessary information for us to understand what you need. |
| 16:03.25 | ekn2 | Bad news is now I have to manually install the desktop environment |
| 16:03.25 | ekn2 | And I have no idea what packages I need to install |
| 16:03.26 | e2 | alredy deleted |
| 16:03.31 | ekn2 | I'm tempted to just rerun the installer |
| 16:03.53 | greycat | ekn2: just run tasksel, and fill in whatever else you need later on an as-needed basis |
| 16:04.05 | e2 | need support with boot hack |
| 16:04.11 | ekn2 | greycat: What is tasksel? |
| 16:04.16 | ekn2 | I don't even have "man" |
| 16:04.16 | ekn2 | wtf |
| 16:04.16 | e2 | i can not delete |
| 16:04.17 | greycat | A debian command. It will be familiar. |
| 16:04.21 | ekn2 | This is a base install |
| 16:04.22 | ekn2 | hah |
| 16:04.44 | e2 | i dont install from base |
| 16:04.49 | e2 | i type no |
| 16:04.58 | e2 | but it is on my CD |
| 16:05.13 | e2 | firmware |
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| 16:05.36 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 16:05.43 | ekn2 | Okay, I'm installing Gnome |
| 16:05.48 | e2 | "firmware: failed to load rtl_nic/r18168f-1.fw (-2)" |
| 16:05.50 | ekn2 | In my home |
| 16:05.50 | e2 | "kvm: disabled by bios" |
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| 16:05.57 | ekn2 | Using my dome |
| 16:06.06 | ekn2 | All alone |
| 16:06.19 | jelly | e2: those are errors from ekn2's machine, not yours |
| 16:06.26 | ekn2 | hahaha |
| 16:06.39 | ekn2 | Is this person trolling? |
| 16:06.49 | greycat | I already /ignored him. |
| 16:06.54 | jelly | maybe just very confused |
| 16:07.04 | ekn2 | "need support with boot hack" is nonsense |
| 16:07.19 | ekn2 | This person sounds schizophrenic |
| 16:07.36 | ekn2 | Maybe it's a bot |
| 16:07.39 | jelly | usually best pointed to the native language channel. If they get booted from there, they were really a mess and not just held up at the language barrier |
| 16:07.52 | greycat | Non-native english speaker, but the real issue is that he refuses to type a whole sentence (no matter how awkward) at once. |
| 16:07.56 | ekn2 | Ah, that's pretty cool |
| 16:08.02 | ekn2 | That Debian has foreign channels |
| 16:08.07 | ekn2 | What's his native language though |
| 16:08.15 | greycat | his hostmask says .ru |
| 16:08.47 | jelly | so it's a fairbet they speak russian well |
| 16:08.57 | ekn2 | tasksel is wonky. The gnome install is stuck on "Retrieving file 1 of 1362... 100%" |
| 16:09.11 | ekn2 | Is the first file giant or something? |
| 16:09.15 | e2 | it is normal |
| 16:09.19 | e2 | ekn2 |
| 16:09.20 | ekn2 | Okay |
| 16:09.29 | ekn2 | Wait |
| 16:09.33 | ekn2 | You're that guy |
| 16:09.56 | *** mode/#debian [+o jelly] by ChanServ |
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| 16:09.59 | *** mode/#debian [-o jelly] by ChanServ |
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| 16:10.35 | ekn2 | Oh, it says apt-get failed |
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| 16:10.39 | Jobewankenobi | he beat you to the punch |
| 16:10.49 | jelly | hmph |
| 16:10.49 | Jobewankenobi | spoke too soon |
| 16:10.49 | ekn2 | Seems I can't ping google.com |
| 16:10.56 | *** mode/#debian [+o jelly] by ChanServ |
| 16:10.57 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@ppp109-252-72-30.pppoe.spdop.ru] by jelly |
| 16:10.58 | *** mode/#debian [-o jelly] by ChanServ |
| 16:11.07 | ekn2 | I'm connected via ethernet |
| 16:11.15 | greycat | ekn2: can you ping 8.8.8.8? |
| 16:11.30 | ekn2 | No |
| 16:11.35 | ekn2 | I do have a local IP though |
| 16:11.54 | ekn2 | Oh, I think I know the problem |
| 16:11.54 | greycat | default gateway correct? |
| 16:11.56 | jelly | do you have a default route? |
| 16:12.02 | ekn2 | I'm in an apartment that requires a web login |
| 16:12.11 | ekn2 | I have no web browser though |
| 16:12.12 | ekn2 | Crap |
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| 16:12.21 | BluesKaj | sudo dhclient |
| 16:12.21 | jelly | captive portals are a PITA |
| 16:12.26 | ekn2 | Yeah |
| 16:12.33 | ekn2 | What can I do with dhclient? |
| 16:12.43 | ekn2 | Doesn't that just request an IP? |
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| 16:12.47 | greycat | I think that was just a wrong answer. |
| 16:12.47 | ekn2 | I already have one |
| 16:12.49 | jelly | ekn2: wget? lynx? |
| 16:12.56 | ekn2 | I don't know if lynx can do that |
| 16:12.57 | ekn2 | I can try |
| 16:12.58 | BluesKaj | ebables your ethernet |
| 16:12.59 | ekn2 | lol |
| 16:13.00 | greycat | neither of those is in the base install anyway |
| 16:13.03 | BluesKaj | enables |
| 16:13.06 | ekn2 | ethernet is enabled |
| 16:13.08 | ekn2 | I have an interface |
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| 16:13.21 | jelly | sometimes it's enough, other times the portals want javascript |
| 16:13.21 | ekn2 | What's weird though is |
| 16:13.30 | ekn2 | The installer was able to download packages before |
| 16:13.41 | Ormu | web login wifis are annoying :| |
| 16:13.44 | jelly | BluesKaj: they said they already got an IP |
| 16:13.48 | ekn2 | I wonder if some kind of session expired or something |
| 16:13.59 | ekn2 | Wait |
| 16:14.03 | ekn2 | I can't install lynx |
| 16:14.04 | ekn2 | lol |
| 16:14.05 | ekn2 | Duh |
| 16:14.10 | jelly | yep :-) |
| 16:14.13 | Ormu | they give a false sense of security to average computer users (tm) who think that the connection is encrypted when they have entered a password |
| 16:14.27 | ekn2 | I don't think that's their purpose |
| 16:14.40 | ekn2 | I have an idea |
| 16:14.46 | jelly | ekn2: try to wget -O- http://default-gateway-ip/ |
| 16:14.52 | ekn2 | I'll just reboot my desktop with my hard drive, log in, and then reboot the USB stuck |
| 16:14.55 | ekn2 | *stick |
| 16:15.07 | ekn2 | jelly: What does that do?? |
| 16:15.13 | jelly | just fetches the page |
| 16:15.17 | ekn2 | I'll try |
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| 16:15.23 | jelly | and dumps it raw on stdout |
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| 16:15.43 | ekn2 | That's not a host |
| 16:15.55 | ekn2 | Is there supposed to be a .com or something |
| 16:16.05 | ekn2 | Or is that a recognized keyword? |
| 16:16.07 | greycat | does he even *have* wget? |
| 16:16.14 | jelly | put in the actual ip ... |
| 16:16.16 | ekn2 | I do |
| 16:16.22 | ekn2 | Oh |
| 16:16.28 | ekn2 | I forogt what it was |
| 16:16.31 | ekn2 | I'll try to guess it |
| 16:16.33 | jelly | ip r |
| 16:16.44 | ekn2 | ty |
| 16:17.08 | ekn2 | 403: Forbidden |
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| 16:18.06 | ekn2 | Going to try what I said earlier |
| 16:18.09 | ekn2 | Pretty sure it will work |
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| 16:21.04 | BluesKaj | plugin your other drives /OSs for the url |
| 16:21.14 | ekn2 | I did |
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| 16:21.22 | ekn2 | Yeah, I connected just fine |
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| 16:21.36 | ekn2 | I rebooted the USB stick again |
| 16:21.40 | ekn2 | Still can't ping google |
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| 16:22.04 | BluesKaj | ping the internal website url |
| 16:22.20 | ekn2 | I don't remember what it is |
| 16:22.38 | ekn2 | I will just randomly get redirect there to log in |
| 16:22.44 | ekn2 | redirected |
| 16:23.01 | ekn2 | I guess it's probably in my history |
| 16:23.41 | BluesKaj | browser cache |
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| 16:24.17 | ekn2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.18 | ekn2 | I found it |
| 16:24.23 | ekn2 | I can't ping it either |
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| 16:29.04 | BluesKaj | just enter the url in a browser if you have one |
| 16:29.13 | ekn2 | I don't have a browser |
| 16:29.16 | ekn2 | I only have the base install |
| 16:29.21 | ekn2 | I'm trying to install Gnome |
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| 16:29.48 | BluesKaj | no wonder ...this is all backwards |
| 16:29.54 | ekn2 | brb |
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| 16:30.12 | BluesKaj | should have chosen gnome during the install |
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| 16:40.41 | xar- | upgraded my sources from jessie to stretch, did an 'apt-get upgrade': Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages |
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| 16:43.18 | xar- | systemd : Breaks: rdnssd (< 1.0.1-5) but 1.0.1-1+deb8u1 is to be installed |
| 16:43.26 | xar- | suggestions? |
| 16:45.00 | xar- | this is on a fresh install of jessie (because the stretch images are unusable), trying to go from jessie to stretch |
| 16:45.11 | greycat | ,v rdnssd |
| 16:45.13 | judd | Package: rdnssd on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1-1+b1; jessie: 1.0.1-1+deb8u1; sid: 1.0.3-3; buster: 1.0.3-3; stretch: 1.0.3-3 |
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| 16:46.12 | ekn2 | Back |
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| 16:46.53 | ekn2 | Didn't work on my laptop either. I decided to just rerun the installer since I'm somehow able to connect to the Internet at that point. This time I'll install the desktop environment through the installer |
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| 16:48.23 | greycat | xar-: what happens if you try to remove rdnssd? |
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| 16:49.45 | fcharton | xar-: have you tried update/upgrade *before* adding the stretch sources ? |
| 16:50.55 | xar- | fcharton: yea there were no updates available |
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| 16:51.03 | xar- | greycat: I removed it, same problem |
| 16:51.12 | xar- | sorry not same problem |
| 16:51.31 | xar- | if I rerun the apt-get upgrade, it now says I have 200+ packages that have been "kept back" |
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| 16:51.55 | greycat | that's fine |
| 16:51.59 | ekn2 | Are Debian releases named after Toy Story characters? Who is stretch? |
| 16:52.06 | greycat | !stretch |
| 16:52.06 | dpkg | Stretch is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch . Ask me about <install stretch>, <release notes>, <jessie->stretch>. |
| 16:52.14 | ekn2 | Ah |
| 16:52.23 | jhutchins_wk | xar-: Did you do an apt-get update? |
| 16:52.28 | ekn2 | I don't remember him |
| 16:52.37 | xar- | jhutchins_wk: yes |
| 16:52.47 | xar- | so do I proceed with an apt-get dist-upgrade now |
| 16:52.50 | BCMM | if you look at the wiki entry for any debian release, there's a FAQ section |
| 16:52.54 | xar- | regardless of the kept back packages? |
| 16:52.55 | greycat | having a bunch of stuff held back on upgrade is fine, because dist-upgrade will get them |
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| 16:53.13 | jhutchins_wk | !bat |
| 16:53.14 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 16:53.15 | BCMM | but apparently there is only one FAQ, Which ''Toy Story'' character is <release>? |
| 16:53.17 | xar- | ok doing the dist-upgrade |
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| 16:53.53 | ekn2 | Why are there no copyright issues with using Toy Story character names? |
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| 16:54.23 | BCMM | ekn2: i don't think character names alone are copyrightable |
| 16:54.37 | BCMM | trademark is more relevant |
| 16:54.50 | ekn2 | Oh, well why no trademark issues? |
| 16:54.58 | BCMM | but i don't think anybody is going to get confused between debian CDs and Toy Story merchandise, so it's all good |
| 16:55.00 | ekn2 | Like, could you have Debian Mickey Mouse? |
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| 16:55.18 | jhutchins_wk | ekn2: Is there a danger that people will think that Debian releases will have some relationship to Pixar licensed products? |
| 16:55.40 | BCMM | ekn2: you probably could, yes |
| 16:55.42 | ekn2 | Not with the character names |
| 16:55.47 | ekn2 | But maybe with Debian Toy Story |
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| 16:56.20 | ekn2 | Thanks for explanining |
| 16:56.24 | ekn2 | explaining |
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| 16:56.47 | BCMM | basically, trademark violation depends on there being some possibility that people will confuse you with the guy who holds the trademark |
| 16:56.55 | ekn2 | I see |
| 16:57.00 | xar- | is that rdnssd issue documented anywhere, it should be added to remove it into the steps |
| 16:57.20 | BluesKaj | never watched toy story ...didn't know about the debian connection |
| 16:57.23 | greycat | xar-: it sounds like a bug to me, but this is my first time hearing about it |
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| 16:58.08 | BCMM | ekn2: some quite well-known companies operating in different areas have the same names, and it's ok because they don't really take business from each other |
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| 16:58.35 | BCMM | this is why apple computers had trouble with apple corps when they started selling music |
| 16:58.42 | BluesKaj | heh, when I was young and lean friends called me stretch |
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| 16:59.37 | xar- | this entire stretch experience thus far has been so poor (for me) |
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| 17:00.26 | brieweb | anyone use easy-rsa? |
| 17:01.20 | ekn2 | xar-: Why? |
| 17:01.20 | brieweb | openssl.cnf: No such file or directory |
| 17:01.27 | xar- | hoping to get to a point where I have a usable system by day's end and I start restoring from backup |
| 17:01.31 | brieweb | when I try to run a command |
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| 17:01.44 | BluesKaj | xar-, no problems here with stretch |
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| 17:02.14 | ekn2 | I am pretty diappointed that my install didn't go super smoothly either. I want Linux to succeed as a Desktop OS |
| 17:02.20 | xar- | ekn2: I started this charade on monday when I did an upgrade on my jessie system, failed to notice there was a repo using 'stable' and fell into dependency hell |
| 17:02.23 | ekn2 | *disappointed |
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| 17:03.04 | ekn2 | Would like to check out the Ubuntu installer out of curiosity since that's the most mainstream OS |
| 17:03.14 | ekn2 | But I don't really care to use Ubuntu due to the branding and UI |
| 17:03.19 | xar- | then I spent more hours than I care to admit using the stretch live images, netinstall images, etc. none of those work (tried several different iso flashing software), kept running into "no kernel modules found" during those installs |
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| 17:03.30 | ekn2 | Huh |
| 17:03.32 | BluesKaj | ek well installing to a stick is unorthodox to begin with, a proper hdd or ssd partition works best |
| 17:03.39 | BluesKaj | ekn2,^ |
| 17:03.45 | ekn2 | Yeah, I guess so |
| 17:03.49 | ekn2 | I still think it should just work |
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| 17:04.20 | xar- | so i'm back on jessie now, trying to get to stretch, so much time ... |
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| 17:04.46 | BluesKaj | how's your experience been so far, not very smooth that's for sure, ekn2 |
| 17:04.49 | greycat | You can save yourself a lot of time by never attempting to use a live image. They haven't worked in years. |
| 17:04.54 | CrazyTux | hello, which package can be used to read epub files? |
| 17:05.00 | ekn2 | I'm not using a live image |
| 17:05.11 | greycat | (For installations, that is. They may be fine as actual y'know live CDs.) |
| 17:05.12 | BCMM | CrazyTux: fbreader, okular |
| 17:05.13 | ekn2 | Not sure if that was directed at me |
| 17:05.18 | xar- | I tried several images, they are all busted (for me) |
| 17:05.30 | xar- | "no kernel modules found" during install |
| 17:05.43 | BluesKaj | greycat, he's using the netinstall |
| 17:05.52 | CrazyTux | BCMM, thanks a lot. |
| 17:05.56 | greycat | 13:03 xar-> then I spent more hours than I care to admit using the stretch live images, netinstall images, etc. |
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| 17:06.12 | xar- | No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between the |
| 17:06.12 | xar- | kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in |
| 17:06.13 | xar- | the archive. |
| 17:06.21 | xar- | my hell ^ |
| 17:06.25 | ekn2 | So |
| 17:06.27 | BCMM | CrazyTux: actually i'm not sure about okular |
| 17:06.35 | ekn2 | I've never had success upgrading distros with fixed releases |
| 17:06.39 | CrazyTux | BCMM, ok. |
| 17:06.42 | BCMM | CrazyTux: mine doesn't seem to open epub, might be due to compile-time choices made by debian |
| 17:06.44 | ekn2 | I always just wipe and reinstall |
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| 17:06.47 | greycat | Did you burn the images from Windows? If so, using what program? Many of the popular Windows burning programs don't work well with Debian's install images. |
| 17:07.04 | BCMM | CrazyTux: ah! i need okular-extra-backends |
| 17:07.05 | CrazyTux | BCMM, then, which package would you suggest? |
| 17:07.07 | ekn2 | I've been using Gentoo for a long time though |
| 17:07.09 | xar- | I tried win32diskimager recommended by jmcnaught |
| 17:07.13 | xar- | I also tried rufus |
| 17:07.16 | xar- | both had the same result |
| 17:07.18 | ekn2 | Never worked wel when I used to use Ubuntu a long time ago though |
| 17:07.25 | ekn2 | well |
| 17:07.41 | BCMM | CrazyTux: okular is basically like a PDF reader, except it reads a lot of other formats too |
| 17:07.46 | xar- | jessie installer works though, so it's not the burning software |
| 17:07.46 | BCMM | CrazyTux: fbreader is a proper ebook reader |
| 17:07.52 | xar- | I've proven that |
| 17:08.05 | BCMM | tbh i read ebooks on mobile devices for the most part and use fbreader for desktop mainly due to familiarity |
| 17:08.07 | CrazyTux | BCMM, ok. I will try that. |
| 17:08.50 | ekn2 | Is epub a DRM format? |
| 17:09.03 | BCMM | ekn2: optionally |
| 17:09.07 | ekn2 | I think I converted one of those to pdf before |
| 17:09.13 | ekn2 | Like epub2pdf or something |
| 17:09.25 | CrazyTux | how can I read ebooks and pdf documents for long hours on my laptop? any particular package available that is convenient for reading for long durations? |
| 17:09.39 | ekn2 | I really like mupdf for reading pdfs |
| 17:09.46 | ekn2 | It's snappy |
| 17:09.48 | BCMM | there is no drm scheme specified for epub, but various platforms have used "epub but with drm" formats |
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| 17:10.08 | ekn2 | If I need to print a pdf I usually just open it in Chrome |
| 17:10.10 | tw | There's always calibre, but that's more for managing an ebook library. |
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| 17:10.21 | CrazyTux | BCMM, any package that makes reading on laptop less tiring? |
| 17:10.31 | BCMM | CrazyTux: as in, visually straining? |
| 17:10.38 | ekn2 | mupdf has a color invert mode |
| 17:10.39 | CrazyTux | BCMM, yes. |
| 17:10.40 | tw | Invert the colors. |
| 17:10.50 | BCMM | CrazyTux: fbreader is totally configurable on fonts and colours |
| 17:10.51 | CrazyTux | tw, ok. |
| 17:10.57 | ekn2 | You could also use flux, redshift, or something |
| 17:11.05 | CrazyTux | ok. |
| 17:11.18 | BCMM | i use light on dark, which is perhaps a little controversial |
| 17:11.22 | CrazyTux | ekn2, can flux be used on a Linux os? |
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| 17:11.37 | BCMM | but i *definitely* recommend, for anybody, using lower contrast than black and white |
| 17:11.39 | tw | PDFs are not great for changing the view font. epub will generally let you pick your own font. |
| 17:11.49 | BCMM | i use shades of grey, some people like pastel colours |
| 17:11.54 | ekn2 | CrazyTux: Looks like it, but I don't personally use it ATM: https://justgetflux.com/linux.html |
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| 17:12.00 | BCMM | CrazyTux: there is f.lux for linux but it basically sucks; use redshift |
| 17:12.09 | BCMM | redshift is open-source and it works |
| 17:12.21 | ekn2 | Yeah, I last used redshift |
| 17:12.27 | CrazyTux | BCMM, actually I am using redshift now. |
| 17:12.36 | BCMM | ekn2: epub is basically html and metadata in an archive |
| 17:12.43 | brieweb | ekn2: what makes you the judge of desktop OS'es? |
| 17:12.48 | BCMM | it's designed to reflow to fit your screen, unlike pdf |
| 17:12.55 | xar- | ok I did the reboot, it says that tzdata has been held back, a dist-upgrade isn't taking care of it |
| 17:12.55 | ekn2 | brieweb: What are you talking about? |
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| 17:13.09 | brieweb | sorry, I just stepped into the middle of the conversation |
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| 17:13.26 | CrazyTux | but, how can I change the color temperature on redshift? |
| 17:13.27 | brieweb | I just saw your comment "I want linux to succeed as a desktop OS" |
| 17:13.35 | greycat | xar-: try installing it (apt-get install tzdata) |
| 17:13.37 | brieweb | desktop works for me |
| 17:13.43 | xar- | greycat: ok thanks |
| 17:13.48 | brieweb | :) |
| 17:13.59 | ekn2 | brieweb: I meant that it's not widely used and it's still a pretty crummy experience compared to Windows |
| 17:14.07 | ekn2 | You have to do a lot of tinkering to get it to work right |
| 17:14.10 | greycat | I beg to differ. |
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| 17:14.22 | greycat | My experiences with Windows are vastly, universally worse. |
| 17:14.33 | brieweb | so, android doesn't count then? |
| 17:14.38 | ekn2 | I would say no |
| 17:14.42 | ekn2 | It's not a desktop OS |
| 17:14.46 | xar- | ok /etc/os-release says im on stretch now |
| 17:14.47 | greycat | Then again, my typical Windows experience is one of my family members asking me how to remove some piece of malware. |
| 17:14.50 | xar- | praise freakin jesus |
| 17:14.59 | xar- | now I can start my restore |
| 17:15.13 | ekn2 | I use Windows primarily for games and it's pretty smooth for me |
| 17:15.19 | brieweb | linux desktop is good for people who haven't used Windows |
| 17:15.24 | ekn2 | I browse the Internet, but I don't go to any shady sites |
| 17:15.37 | brieweb | red pill / blue pill |
| 17:15.38 | BluesKaj | ekn2, try kde/plasma, it's the real linux configuarable desktop |
| 17:15.45 | ekn2 | brieweb: I doubt there are amny people who have not used Windows but have used Linux |
| 17:16.00 | ekn2 | I guess if you can't get a copy of Windows, Linux is something you can use |
| 17:16.06 | brieweb | well, I go to Cuba, and not a lot of people have a computer |
| 17:16.08 | xar- | using the cloud has spoiled me rotten, having to install OSes on bare metal is pure pain |
| 17:16.28 | greycat | In some countries outside the US, Linux may be more popular than Windows. |
| 17:16.34 | ekn2 | I don't want to just say Linux though |
| 17:16.38 | ekn2 | Because the kernel is solid |
| 17:16.41 | ekn2 | It's the distros |
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| 17:17.16 | greycat | Much of the current pain is from the init system transitions.... |
| 17:17.17 | brieweb | and Windows package management is so non-existant! |
| 17:17.18 | tw | linux is pretty crummy for proprietary software support. It probably always will be. I'd rather run windows binaries on linux in some cases than recreate the ancient library environment required to run native-but-outdated binaries. |
| 17:17.19 | BluesKaj | brieweb, just reading about the private network in Cuba in Wired magazine , interesting stuff |
| 17:17.21 | CrazyTux | but, here in our country not many use Linux OS. |
| 17:17.39 | brieweb | private network in Cuba? I have not read about that |
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| 17:17.56 | ekn2 | A lot of programs on Windows update themselves because there is no package manager |
| 17:17.58 | brieweb | I will have to check it out |
| 17:18.18 | ekn2 | All of the ones I use for gaming update fine |
| 17:18.23 | brieweb | and ten versions of ming compiler on Windows |
| 17:18.27 | brieweb | What a joy! |
| 17:18.32 | ekn2 | ming? |
| 17:18.36 | jmcnaught | wonders what channel this is ⦠|
| 17:18.37 | brieweb | mingw |
| 17:18.41 | ekn2 | Oh |
| 17:18.47 | ekn2 | Well, I wouldn't use that on Windows |
| 17:18.57 | ekn2 | I wouldn't want to program on Windows either |
| 17:19.17 | BluesKaj | brieweb, it's called SNET, mostly a group of wifiers |
| 17:19.17 | CrazyTux | debian can present itself as replacement for windows if it becomes more newbie friendly. |
| 17:19.27 | ekn2 | Anyway, denying issues with Linux distros just inhibits improvement |
| 17:19.34 | brieweb | I was thinking about mesh networking in Cuba |
| 17:19.54 | ekn2 | I think one think holding Linux back is just bad driver support |
| 17:20.03 | brieweb | they get really picky about broadcasting a radio signal |
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| 17:20.12 | ekn2 | Hardware makers don't care about Linux as much as Windows |
| 17:20.13 | jhutchins_wk | Could we please move this to #oswars or -offtopic? |
| 17:20.15 | brieweb | I guess an wifi is ok |
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| 17:20.27 | ekn2 | Yeah, I don't care about talking about this anymore so I'll just stop |
| 17:20.38 | ekn2 | brieweb's fault |
| 17:20.40 | ekn2 | hahaha |
| 17:21.04 | brieweb | I am a problem maker. My bad |
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| 17:21.14 | ekn2 | You caught me in a *web* |
| 17:21.19 | jmcnaught | hands ekn2 some extra punctuation to use instead of <enter>. |
| 17:21.20 | brieweb | I really came to ask about easy_rsa |
| 17:21.20 | ekn2 | a brie web |
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| 17:21.23 | CrazyTux | considering the number of packages available for linux distros in general vis a vis those for windows, windows has a slight advantage, I think. |
| 17:21.26 | BluesKaj | br the gov't tolerates it , no ads or politics or religious content is tolerated , but otherwise they're left to their own devices |
| 17:21.34 | BluesKaj | brieweb,^ |
| 17:21.55 | CrazyTux | but, personally, even since I got introduced to Linux, I have not used windows. |
| 17:22.05 | ekn2 | So you guys are just going to carry on anyway |
| 17:22.10 | CrazyTux | ever since. |
| 17:22.19 | jhutchins_wk | CrazyTux: Please take this discussion elsewhere. |
| 17:22.38 | brieweb | ekn2, It's like entropy. Once you get started, you can't stop it! |
| 17:22.47 | CrazyTux | jhutchins_wk, ok. |
| 17:22.57 | jhutchins_wk | Thx |
| 17:23.04 | ekn2 | Humans can reverse entropy locally |
| 17:23.23 | BluesKaj | ok, back to debian |
| 17:23.36 | brieweb | does anyone have easy_rsa installed? |
| 17:23.44 | ekn2 | No, what is that? |
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| 17:23.46 | brieweb | on Debian 9? |
| 17:23.59 | greycat | No polls, please. |
| 17:23.59 | brieweb | it's for generating pki certs for openvpn |
| 17:24.07 | ekn2 | Oh |
| 17:24.23 | jhutchins_wk | ,v easy_rsa |
| 17:24.24 | judd | No package named 'easy_rsa' was found in amd64. |
| 17:24.32 | ekn2 | I think she is just trying to get help indirectly... |
| 17:24.39 | ekn2 | By seeing if anyone has the prog first |
| 17:24.45 | greycat | !anyone |
| 17:24.45 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 17:24.52 | ekn2 | Hahaha |
| 17:24.53 | brieweb | The docs say to first do "make-cadir my_ca" and then to edit vars |
| 17:25.47 | greycat | Does this easy_rsa thing have a web site? An IRC channel of its own? Is it even free software? |
| 17:26.00 | BCMM | CrazyTux: i use 185/255 grey text on a black background |
| 17:26.08 | brieweb | easy_rsa is a Debian package |
| 17:26.17 | greycat | It is not, as judd told us. |
| 17:26.19 | brieweb | is this the Debian channel? |
| 17:26.21 | BCMM | oh he's gone |
| 17:26.37 | brieweb | it's free software |
| 17:26.39 | greycat | Is the package name spelled differently? _ is not a legal character. |
| 17:26.42 | vlt | greycat: It's part of the openvpn pkg. |
| 17:26.45 | greycat | ah. |
| 17:26.49 | ekn2 | https://packages.debian.org/sid/utils/easy-rsa |
| 17:26.56 | brieweb | easy-rsa |
| 17:26.57 | brieweb | sorry |
| 17:27.01 | greycat | ,v easy-rsa |
| 17:27.02 | judd | Package: easy-rsa on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2.2.2-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.2.2-1; sid: 2.2.2-2; buster: 2.2.2-2; stretch: 2.2.2-2 |
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| 17:29.00 | brieweb | the easy-rsa complains about the openssl config |
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| 17:32.11 | teraflops | brieweb: are you following a tutorial or something? |
| 17:32.25 | brieweb | no, I am just trying to use the package |
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| 17:32.36 | teraflops | brieweb: iirc you have to edit a file before you use easy-rsa |
| 17:32.38 | brieweb | and after you initialize the folder, it gets stcuck |
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| 17:32.56 | brieweb | you do an init command and then you should be able to run the commands |
| 17:33.05 | brieweb | it complains about the openssl config |
| 17:33.19 | ac_slater | hey guys, what's the bot here that tells us if things are easy to port from jessie? |
| 17:33.23 | jhutchins_wk | brieweb: Have you checked the documentation in /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 17:33.32 | brieweb | I just punted and I copied openssl-1.0.0.cnf to openssl.cnf |
| 17:33.40 | greycat | ac_slater: /msg judd help checkbackport |
| 17:33.45 | brieweb | yes, I read the docs |
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| 17:33.49 | ac_slater | greycat: thanks! |
| 17:33.50 | brieweb | seems to be a bug |
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| 17:33.55 | teraflops | brieweb: so youre just trying things blindly? |
| 17:34.03 | teraflops | brieweb: ah, nvm |
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| 17:34.18 | tw | brieweb: package doesn't provide a default config for openssl-1.1.0.conf |
| 17:34.19 | brieweb | If you read the docs for easy-rsa README.Debian |
| 17:34.26 | jhutchins_wk | ac_slater: What release are you on. |
| 17:34.43 | ac_slater | juantelez: what do you mean |
| 17:34.49 | brieweb | it says "make-cadir my_ca" |
| 17:34.52 | jhutchins_wk | ac_slater: Sorry, wrong nic. |
| 17:35.01 | tw | brieweb: which is the new version. So the whichopensslcnf script is not going to work out of the box. |
| 17:35.02 | axp | hi all, iam using debian stretch, and every time i want to clone a git repository i always get an gnutls_handshake() failed error |
| 17:35.03 | samba_ | hi, after the upadate of thunderbird, enigmail and gnupg-agent enigmail stops to work, gpg-agent is not running anymore and my conf didnt change .. I cant find any bug related and the same errr is happen to me + 3 other friends. any idea what it could be ? gpg-agent is not running anymore .. |
| 17:35.06 | brieweb | and yes, it doesn't provde a conf for openssl-1.1.0.conf |
| 17:35.26 | brieweb | and then looks for openssl.cnf |
| 17:37.32 | ac_slater | greycat: if judd said "Backporting package eagle in jessieâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.", what's the best way to pull that package? |
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| 17:37.33 | axp | There are some Reports about such an issue but these are most of the time all entries |
| 17:37.36 | brieweb | tw: I copied openssl-1.0.0.cnf to openssl.cnf and it seems to work, but it's a hack |
| 17:37.44 | greycat | ac_slater: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 17:37.53 | ac_slater | greycat: thanks man, I'm a dpkg/apt newbie! |
| 17:37.55 | greycat | or you can spell out "simple sid backport" |
| 17:38.03 | brieweb | seems that there ought to be a openssl-1.1.0.cnf file included |
| 17:38.07 | ac_slater | greycat: thanks mate |
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| 17:38.40 | brieweb | looks like a bug to me |
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| 17:39.12 | greenbagels | ok so im not sure if this is the right place to inquire about this, but im trying ot sign commits with git and gpg |
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| 17:39.28 | greenbagels | and gpg keeps complaining about it failing, even though gpg signs files by itself perfectly fine |
| 17:39.33 | greenbagels | s/gpg/git/ |
| 17:39.47 | greenbagels | let me post some logs |
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| 17:41.31 | vlt | greenbagels: Which part of the commit would be gpg signed? The commit message? |
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| 17:41.55 | greycat | This sounds more like a #git question than a #debian one. |
| 17:42.58 | HyP3r | Hello Everbody, we discussed the problem a few days ago already. I have here a VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G72 [GeForce 7200 GS / 7300 SE] (rev a1) Graphiccard. |
| 17:43.07 | greenbagels | greycat: hm, i guess, but i've only been having this issue on debian's packaged binaries |
| 17:43.10 | HyP3r | I have updated debian from jessie to strech and now my graphic is not working anymore |
| 17:43.10 | greenbagels | i shall ask there first |
| 17:43.13 | greenbagels | vlt: the diff, probably |
| 17:43.31 | axp | HyP3r: i guess you mean xorg |
| 17:43.41 | HyP3r | At the moment I try to use nouveau |
| 17:43.41 | vlt | greenbagels: There's no diff in git's workflow. |
| 17:43.56 | HyP3r | And I get this error: gnome-session-f[2895]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f3aea245e19 sp 00007ffcc3d7b070 error 4 in libgtk-3.so.0.2200.11[7f3ae9f63000+700000] |
| 17:44.02 | HyP3r | axp: its difficult to say but yes |
| 17:44.06 | ewook | HyP3r: did you "bring your own driver" before the update? |
| 17:44.12 | vlt | greenbagels: git stores file objects, trees and commits. |
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| 17:44.30 | vlt | greenbagels: Optionally a .pack file. |
| 17:45.02 | HyP3r | ewook: befor the update I have used the original driver from nvidia. |
| 17:45.17 | HyP3r | ewook: but it was crashing now. So I downloaded the installer again and uninstalled it |
| 17:45.26 | greycat | ... shit. |
| 17:45.26 | HyP3r | ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-304.135.run --uninstall |
| 17:45.33 | greycat | you used the upstream driver installer :( |
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| 17:45.49 | HyP3r | ? |
| 17:46.03 | HyP3r | Then I tried the nvidia-detect function |
| 17:46.09 | greenbagels | vlt: so the commits itself probably, im not quite sure |
| 17:46.30 | HyP3r | This tool told me to install nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver which also doesn't work. |
| 17:46.55 | HyP3r | Its interessting, gdm and xorg is able to start (also with noveau) but until I do something e.g. I login, xorg crashes |
| 17:47.11 | tharkun | Aloha, is there a way of allowing a user to isue a simple dmesg command? |
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| 17:47.22 | greycat | tharkun: sudoers :-/ |
| 17:47.43 | ewook | HyP3r: Mind you, I am guessing - but it seems your previous driver got janked, and left som dead symlinks to libs in confs that causes issues - and you have not yet been able to locate a driver that actually works again.. because.. nobody needs drivers for *nix :S |
| 17:47.51 | kryl | I'm searching after a good global documentation opensource project (working under debian). Does anyone have any experience with this kind of stuff ? |
| 17:47.59 | tharkun | greycat: That implies adding a password to the script. Exactly the think I want to avoid. |
| 17:48.08 | BCMM | tharkun: echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/dmesg_restrict |
| 17:48.15 | ewook | tharkun: that sounds odd. can it be filtered down to specific portions of whats in the dmesg instead? |
| 17:48.18 | greycat | tharkun: or configuring sudoers to go passwordless on this account for this command |
| 17:48.33 | jmcnaught | tharkun: read /usr/share/doc/linux-image-amd64/NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 17:48.52 | HyP3r | ewook: but what should I do now? |
| 17:49.04 | HyP3r | ewook: I there a way to force the reinstalltion of all nessercry parts? |
| 17:49.17 | HyP3r | *nessercary |
| 17:49.30 | BCMM | tharkun: and you can make it permanent in sysctl.conf |
| 17:49.33 | greycat | HyP3r: The hard part will be purging all traces of the upstream installer's crap. |
| 17:49.44 | BCMM | tharkun: kernel.dmesg_restrict = 0 |
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| 17:49.55 | jmcnaught | ,i nvidia-installer-cleanup |
| 17:49.56 | judd | Package nvidia-installer-cleanup (contrib/misc, optional) in stretch/amd64: cleanup after driver installation with the nvidia-installer. Version: 20151021+4; Size: 18.8k; Installed: 51k |
| 17:50.03 | greycat | oh wow |
| 17:50.19 | HyP3r | jmcnaught: should I use this package? |
| 17:50.25 | BCMM | jmcnaught: it's really cool that that exists |
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| 17:50.42 | jmcnaught | it's a dependency of one of the nvidia-* packages actually |
| 17:50.51 | tharkun | Thanks for all the info I will try to take the least intrusive way into kernel configuration. |
| 17:51.07 | greycat | Once you get rid of the upstream installer stuff, you can follow the directions on https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 17:51.37 | HyP3r | but how can I get rid of this stuff? |
| 17:51.52 | jmcnaught | HyP3r: never use an OEM driver installer on Debian again if you don't want broken upgrades |
| 17:52.04 | HyP3r | jmcnaught: I feel the pain |
| 17:52.16 | HyP3r | but how can I solve this problem now? |
| 17:53.06 | teraflops | does the installer have a --uninstall option or similar? |
| 17:53.19 | greycat | ,i nvidia-installer-cleanup |
| 17:53.20 | judd | Package nvidia-installer-cleanup (contrib/misc, optional) in stretch/amd64: cleanup after driver installation with the nvidia-installer. Version: 20151021+4; Size: 18.8k; Installed: 51k |
| 17:53.21 | teraflops | if it doesnt it really sucks |
| 17:53.24 | HyP3r | I allready run this command twice ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-304.135.run --uninstall |
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| 17:53.43 | HyP3r | greycat: I have installed this package. It seems like the package does the cleanup while startup righ? |
| 17:53.46 | HyP3r | *right? |
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| 17:54.16 | greycat | I have absolutely no idea. I don't have an nvidia chipset. If I were the one in this position I would read the package's file list and everything that looks like documentation in it. |
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| 17:54.47 | HyP3r | greycat: the original installeer I have used is a proprietary driver and has no file ilst |
| 17:54.50 | HyP3r | *list |
| 17:55.02 | greycat | The package being nvidia-installer-cleanup |
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| 17:55.19 | greycat | Surely there is a file SOMEWHERE in it that tells you what to do. |
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| 17:55.58 | HyP3r | https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-nvidia/nvidia-support.git/tree/ |
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| 17:56.22 | HyP3r | This package does not install any files, its cleanup while runtime (post/pre) inst |
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| 17:56.51 | greycat | OK, then if you think the upstream stuff is gone, follow the wiki page. |
| 17:57.53 | xar- | fresh upgrade from jessie to stretch: cat /etc/resolv.conf: No such file or directory |
| 17:58.13 | HyP3r | greycat: I'm not sure if all files from the original installer were removed... |
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| 17:58.20 | HyP3r | greycat: I allready followed this manpage |
| 17:58.40 | HyP3r | It ends in this https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_304.135_.28legacy_GPUs.29 |
| 17:58.54 | HyP3r | And when I use this I have critical errors in this installed kernel module |
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| 17:59.01 | ekn2 | I just reinstalled Debian including the desktop environment and now I have the same problem as before where I see a black screen at boot with a blinking underscore (and no Grub menu) |
| 17:59.29 | ekn2 | For some reason a base install works and a full install doesn't |
| 17:59.40 | greycat | ekn2: what happens when you press Ctrl-Alt-F2 from there? |
| 18:00.07 | ekn2 | greycat: Nothing |
| 18:00.10 | teraflops | ekn2: looks like the bootloader part went south |
| 18:00.28 | greycat | Oh, you said *reinstalled* |
| 18:00.37 | greycat | Jesus fucking christ, WHY would you do that after all the work... |
| 18:00.42 | teraflops | ekn2: if it really happens before grub getting loaded |
| 18:00.43 | ekn2 | teraflops: Yeah, based on the method greycat had me do earlier, the bootloader is nonexistant |
| 18:00.55 | ekn2 | teraflops: I would have to check again to confirm |
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| 18:01.10 | ekn2 | greycat: Because remember I can't install a DE from the base install |
| 18:01.14 | greycat | I guess your goal isn't actually to have a working system. |
| 18:01.18 | ekn2 | I can't connect to the Internet |
| 18:01.19 | teraflops | ekn2: yo do not have to reinstall though, not yet |
| 18:01.30 | ekn2 | I don't have a web browser |
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| 18:01.34 | greycat | You have an IRC client. |
| 18:01.44 | ekn2 | On another computer |
| 18:01.51 | greycat | Right, so use that one as a gateway. |
| 18:01.55 | BluesKaj | HyP3r, sudo sh ~/Pathtopackage/NVIDIA*.run --uninstall |
| 18:02.06 | ekn2 | greycat: How? |
| 18:02.10 | ekn2 | I don't know how to do that |
| 18:02.15 | ekn2 | Nobody suggested that earlier |
| 18:02.32 | greycat | Or, more hack/duct-tape approach, use the working computer to activate the firewall thing, then give the Debian system the working computer's IP address. |
| 18:02.44 | teraflops | ekn2: so, did you describe your system before? as in uefi vs bios + mbr, dual boot disks/partition layout, and what did you do at the bootloader stage at the installer? |
| 18:03.07 | ekn2 | teraflops: I installed Debian to a USB stick with MBR |
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| 18:03.17 | ekn2 | teraflops: I am booting from a UEFI bios with legacy booting enabled |
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| 18:03.40 | HyP3r | BluesKaj: I allready executed that |
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| 18:03.56 | teraflops | does the uefi fw detect the usb stick? |
| 18:04.00 | ekn2 | Yeah |
| 18:04.07 | teraflops | and then it just hangs? |
| 18:04.16 | ekn2 | Black screen with blinking underscore |
| 18:04.19 | BluesKaj | try itr anyway. it's not the same as the command you posted, HyP3r |
| 18:04.39 | HyP3r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:04.44 | HyP3r | I don't have any other installer |
| 18:04.45 | ekn2 | greycat: I'm not convinced the firewall is the problem |
| 18:05.00 | ekn2 | greycat: Especially since I'm able to connect to the Internet during the install |
| 18:05.20 | teraflops | well, that limits the issue a bit, do you have another machine for trying to boot the usb stick? |
| 18:05.27 | ekn2 | teraflops: Yes |
| 18:05.30 | teraflops | tried? |
| 18:05.36 | ekn2 | teraflops: Previously I tried and got the same result |
| 18:05.51 | BluesKaj | no it's not the same as "sudo sh ~/Pathto package/NVIDIA*.run --uninstall" HyP3r |
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| 18:06.05 | teraflops | are you sure you installed a bootlader properly n the usb stick? |
| 18:06.08 | teraflops | in^ |
| 18:06.15 | ekn2 | teraflops: Previously greycat instructed me to dd the USB stick to search for Grub-related strings, and we concluded Grub was not installed |
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| 18:06.20 | HyP3r | BluesKaj: ... |
| 18:06.21 | teraflops | appart from that I'm clueless |
| 18:06.35 | teraflops | ekn2: then yuo already know the issue^ |
| 18:06.41 | teraflops | you^ sorry for the typos |
| 18:06.47 | ekn2 | teraflops: I'm not 100% sure |
| 18:06.49 | greycat | teraflops: this is at least the *third* whole new install he's done, 2 out of 3 failing to boot, and he blew away #2 which booted. For some reason. |
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| 18:07.16 | ekn2 | On the one hand, the installer said it installed Grub, and on the other, we couldn't find any strings realted to Grub in the first several bytes of the USB stick |
| 18:07.21 | teraflops | ekn2, greycat it looks like grub is not installed or not properly installed there |
| 18:07.35 | greycat | I am too damned tired to go in circles *again* |
| 18:07.37 | HyP3r | Is there any other way to continue the serach? |
| 18:07.39 | teraflops | heh |
| 18:07.43 | ekn2 | greycat: I don't know why you don't remember my problem with install #2 |
| 18:07.44 | HyP3r | Maybe reinstall xorg and gdm? |
| 18:07.46 | ekn2 | greycat: Nobody helped me |
| 18:07.59 | ekn2 | I tried everything that was suggested |
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| 18:08.10 | BluesKaj | HyP3r, ok nevermind, good luck |
| 18:08.11 | greycat | ekn2: Bullshit. You figured it was your apartment's captive auth-with-web portal crap. |
| 18:08.20 | greycat | ekn2: so we left you to figure out a way to work around that |
| 18:08.29 | teraflops | ekn2: sorry never did such setup, but the issue looks pretty clear |
| 18:08.34 | ekn2 | greycat: Yeah, and I tried and wasn't able to fix it |
| 18:08.38 | HyP3r | BluesKaj: atm. I do everything as root so its pretty much the same :) |
| 18:08.38 | greycat | REMOVING THE BOOTING SYSTEM never even crossed my MIND as something you would do |
| 18:08.43 | jmcnaught | ekn2: did you try booting the installer in rescue mode and using the menu option to reinstall grub? |
| 18:08.44 | ekn2 | And I could never 100% prove that was the problem |
| 18:09.04 | BluesKaj | hy nope you need to use "sh" |
| 18:09.05 | greycat | So now you are back to square zero. Good luck. |
| 18:09.09 | ekn2 | greycat: Why don't you just go to bed |
| 18:09.09 | BluesKaj | HyP3r,^ |
| 18:09.29 | ekn2 | jmcnaught: No |
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| 18:09.55 | ekn2 | jmcnaught: I will try that. I'm not very familiar with Debian so I'm pretty dependent on the suggestions here |
| 18:10.01 | teraflops | ekn2: I aready pointed you do not need to reinstall the whole thing, just fix the bootloader |
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| 18:10.16 | BluesKaj | HyP3r, pretty much the same doesn't cut it |
| 18:10.18 | HyP3r | BluesKaj: well the installer as a file works pretty good, the shell as wrapper doesn't change anything |
| 18:10.30 | HyP3r | BluesKaj: well and the installer also says that everything is ok |
| 18:10.37 | ekn2 | teraflops: Right, I saw that. I just don't know how |
| 18:10.40 | teraflops | as jmcnaught pointed boot a debian iso in rescue mode to see if it detects the debian setup in the usb stick |
| 18:10.44 | HyP3r | BluesKaj: THE installer says NVIDIA was unstialled sucessfully |
| 18:10.48 | ekn2 | Maybe if I spent a few hours I could do a manual install |
| 18:10.52 | HyP3r | BluesKaj: but I still have problems to start GDM3 |
| 18:11.01 | ekn2 | teraflops: Okay |
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| 18:11.22 | teraflops | ekn2: you can also chroot from a working linux (debian preferred) |
| 18:11.27 | HyP3r | Here a list of errors I have while restarting the gdm3 https://pastebin.com/0Qxgvqf5 |
| 18:11.29 | BluesKaj | ok , have fun finding a fix HyP3r |
| 18:11.44 | ekn2 | teraflops: I don't have a working Debian |
| 18:12.01 | teraflops | do you have a debian netinstall? |
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| 18:12.25 | teraflops | and a spare usb stick/cdrom? |
| 18:12.25 | ekn2 | teraflops: Yes |
| 18:12.28 | ekn2 | Yes |
| 18:12.32 | teraflops | then go for it |
| 18:12.35 | ekn2 | I have the netinstall installed on a separate USB stick |
| 18:12.53 | ekn2 | How do I boot the installer in rescue mode as jmcnaught suggested? |
| 18:13.02 | ekn2 | Oh, I see |
| 18:13.10 | ekn2 | Booting |
| 18:13.14 | teraflops | yep |
| 18:13.21 | ekn2 | Not sure what this does |
| 18:13.25 | jmcnaught | ekn2: if you copied the netinst image to USB with a program like unetbootin or rufus this can cause grub install problems |
| 18:13.31 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell ekn2 about enter |
| 18:13.42 | ekn2 | jmcnaught: I didn't, I used cp |
| 18:13.44 | teraflops | you have to insert both usb sticks |
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| 18:13.56 | ekn2 | teraflops: They are both inserted |
| 18:14.02 | teraflops | k |
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| 18:14.05 | ekn2 | By the way |
| 18:14.15 | jmcnaught | ekn2: and you copied to the device and not a partition (/dev/sdh not /sdh1)? |
| 18:14.32 | ekn2 | jmcnaught: Yes |
| 18:15.44 | ekn2 | There is an intersting message when I first run Rescue mode: "Some of your hardware needs non-free firmware files to operate. The firmware can be loaded from removable media, sucha s a USB stick or a floppy. The missing firmware files are: rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw. If you have such media available now, insert it, and continue. Load missing firmware from removable media? Yes No" |
| 18:15.45 | teraflops | ekn2: rescue mode detects debian setups and asks you for the one you wanted to boot into |
| 18:16.06 | teraflops | ekn2: not related to the bootloader issue |
| 18:16.17 | ekn2 | I currently don't have the firmware. I assume I can always install it later. I just wanted to point this out in case it was related to my network problem later on. |
| 18:16.38 | teraflops | if you are using wireless it can be related for sure |
| 18:16.45 | ekn2 | I'm not using wireless |
| 18:16.55 | greycat | ,file rtl8168f-1.fw |
| 18:16.58 | judd | Search for rtl8168f-1.fw in stretch/amd64: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw |
| 18:17.04 | ekn2 | Rescue mode seems similar to the graphical install. It is asking me for a hostname again. |
| 18:17.08 | teraflops | unless that realtek device is not a wireless one |
| 18:17.08 | greycat | Ah good, this time it finds it. You must have mistyped the name last time. |
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| 18:17.44 | jmcnaught | ekn2: after a few questions you get a menu with options like start a shell, reinstall grub |
| 18:18.14 | greycat | If that realtek 8168 is your sole ethernet interface, then you probably should be using the non-free firmware install image. |
| 18:18.27 | ekn2 | jmcnaught: I just jumped to "Debian installer main menu". There is an option called "Enter rescue mode", which is odd because it says I am in rescue mode in the top-left corner |
| 18:18.29 | teraflops | oh it's ethernet |
| 18:19.05 | jmcnaught | ekn2: i don't use this very often so you might need to navigate the menus a little to find things |
| 18:19.25 | ekn2 | greycat: That might explain my Internet issue previously, but I can't explain why I'm able to connect to the Internet during the install |
| 18:19.25 | greycat | The other choice being to sneakernet the firmware-realtek package onto your booting-but-not-networking installation, except you DESTROYED THAT :( |
| 18:19.34 | HyP3r | I just now switch to a GT 710 MSI maybe its working with this card... thats all so akward. |
| 18:19.50 | HyP3r | Isn't there a way to start a repair installation? To reinstall parts like gdm3, xorg and so on? |
| 18:20.08 | HyP3r | (and reset the configuration of this part of the system) |
| 18:20.35 | ekn2 | jmcnaught: Can I just choose "Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk"? |
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| 18:20.52 | ekn2 | This rescue mode is acting like a regular install |
| 18:20.53 | jmcnaught | ekn2: that's why you're there |
| 18:21.14 | HyP3r | :( |
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| 18:21.59 | ekn2 | jmcnaught: It won't let me. It forces me to set up the partition table which I have already done |
| 18:22.17 | jmcnaught | ekn2: did you enter rescue mode? |
| 18:22.20 | teraflops | ekn2: you need to update-grub, if boot is separated partition and is not not mounted you will likely have problems |
| 18:22.33 | ekn2 | teraflops: Everything is supposed to be on one partition |
| 18:22.35 | teraflops | ekn2: use rescue mode, and follow the steps with patience... |
| 18:22.45 | ekn2 | It says I am in rescue mode in the top-left corner |
| 18:23.01 | ekn2 | Looks like I have to select "Enter rescue mode" again |
| 18:23.09 | teraflops | at some point it will ask for a partition where there is a debian installation, you pick it and it opens a shell |
| 18:23.30 | teraflops | then... you reinstall grub |
| 18:23.31 | ekn2 | Right. I think I am there. However, I do not know which sdX corresponds to my USB stick |
| 18:23.39 | teraflops | :S |
| 18:23.53 | ekn2 | Oh |
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| 18:24.16 | teraflops | if you pick the wring partition it will fail and return for that very menu |
| 18:24.19 | teraflops | wrong^ |
| 18:24.36 | teraflops | how many debian installations you have in that machine? |
| 18:24.55 | ekn2 | None |
| 18:25.01 | ekn2 | Just the installer if that counts |
| 18:25.25 | teraflops | then youre fine, keep trying |
| 18:25.30 | teraflops | I'm also talking from memory, i do not remember lat time I used rescue mode |
| 18:25.43 | teraflops | nut I think my instructions are ok |
| 18:25.47 | teraflops | but^ |
| 18:25.48 | ekn2 | I don't know if I should select "Execute a shell in /dev/sdb1" or "Reinstall the GRUB boot loader" in the "Enter rescue mode menu". You said I would have to use a shell, but there seems to be a direct way to reinstall Grub |
| 18:26.04 | teraflops | you want "execute a shell" |
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| 18:26.50 | ekn2 | Okay, I have a shell |
| 18:27.03 | ekn2 | Can you tell me the commands to reinstall grub? |
| 18:27.43 | teraflops | you have a bash prompt? iirc you can type bash to get a proper one |
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| 18:28.01 | ekn2 | teraflops: Alright, now I do |
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| 18:29.37 | teraflops | ekn2: grub-install /dev/yourdevice |
| 18:30.10 | teraflops | ekn2: at this point I would take a look at /etc/fstab file |
| 18:30.22 | HyP3r | seems like the other graphic card was really broken or something the new card works pretty well o.O |
| 18:30.30 | teraflops | usb devices not always get same /dev/name |
| 18:30.49 | teraflops | that's why you better use uuids or labels |
| 18:31.05 | ekn2 | teraflops: I confirmed. It said "Installing for i386-pc platform" |
| 18:31.19 | greycat | Use "lsblk -f" or similar commands to get the UUIDs. |
| 18:31.43 | ekn2 | teraflops: I am using 64-bit machines |
| 18:31.47 | teraflops | I cannot remember, does the grub-install doa update-grub too? |
| 18:32.03 | teraflops | hmm, idk if lsblk is ok while in chroot |
| 18:32.16 | teraflops | blkid sounds better |
| 18:32.21 | cruncher | for the record: instead of selecting "execute shell in /dev/sdaX", you can also select "Reinstall grub boot loader" directly |
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| 18:32.30 | ekn2 | cruncher: ty |
| 18:32.33 | SharkQUIRKS | Hi. |
| 18:32.48 | ekn2 | teraflops: Why did it install for 32-bit? |
| 18:32.49 | teraflops | cruncher: ah, good to know |
| 18:33.05 | teraflops | it doesnt matter, it's because mbr iirc |
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| 18:33.12 | ekn2 | Okay |
| 18:33.36 | jmcnaught | enki: are you using a multiarch netinst image? if you booted in i386 mode instead of amd64, then that is why |
| 18:33.41 | teraflops | ekn2: but yuo _have_ to check blkis/lsblk and fstab |
| 18:33.44 | teraflops | you^ |
| 18:33.56 | ekn2 | teraflops: What for? |
| 18:33.57 | teraflops | ugh sorry, blkid/lsblk |
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| 18:34.19 | ekn2 | teraflops: I already confirmed I installed to the right device. |
| 18:34.25 | teraflops | because usb devices can change the /dev/sdwhatever |
| 18:34.39 | SharkQUIRKS | ekn2: are you installing in BIOS or UEFI mode? |
| 18:34.45 | ekn2 | However, I would like to make sure grub boots my USB based on UUID rather than device letter |
| 18:34.46 | greycat | ekn2: did you confirm that *fstab* uses UUID instead of devices? |
| 18:34.54 | ekn2 | greycat: No |
| 18:35.01 | teraflops | heh |
| 18:35.08 | ekn2 | greycat: It does |
| 18:35.09 | greycat | teraflops: say it another 7 times, maybe one will stick :( |
| 18:35.16 | ekn2 | greycat: It uses UUIDs |
| 18:35.32 | ekn2 | :q |
| 18:35.35 | ekn2 | Oops |
| 18:35.41 | teraflops | ekn2: and update-grub was triggered while grub-install? |
| 18:36.13 | ekn2 | teraflops: I don't know. I can't scroll up. |
| 18:36.28 | ekn2 | teraflops: Didn't seem like you were asking me directly when you mentioned that before. |
| 18:36.28 | cruncher | teraflops, no, its not |
| 18:36.32 | greycat | Then run update-grub again to be sure. |
| 18:36.42 | ekn2 | Does that require a device? |
| 18:36.47 | teraflops | nope |
| 18:36.55 | teraflops | it just generates the config file |
| 18:37.13 | ekn2 | Well, it output an error related to a different device |
| 18:37.26 | SharkQUIRKS | What was the error code? |
| 18:37.41 | ekn2 | The program returned 0 |
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| 18:37.57 | teraflops | blkid and chek UUIDS^ |
| 18:38.03 | ekn2 | It just said "error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda1" I installed grub to /dev/sdb |
| 18:38.08 | ekn2 | Can I just ignore that? |
| 18:38.52 | teraflops | idk, but it doesnt look ok to me |
| 18:38.52 | ekn2 | teraflops: I don't know what you want me to do with the UUIDs |
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| 18:38.57 | SharkQUIRKS | is /dev/sdb a USB? |
| 18:39.13 | ekn2 | Yes, it is the USB stick I am trying to install Debian to. |
| 18:39.28 | ekn2 | /dev/sda is also a USB stick and contains the Debian installer |
| 18:40.02 | teraflops | ekn2: blkid and read the output, be sure you install grub in the right device |
| 18:40.11 | ekn2 | teraflops: I already told you I did |
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| 18:40.31 | ekn2 | I have it in my command history: grub-install /dev/sdb |
| 18:40.45 | teraflops | hmm, maybe youre fine |
| 18:40.53 | SharkQUIRKS | So /dev/sda already has Debian installed? Or is it just the Debian .iso? |
| 18:40.56 | ekn2 | update-grub said it found stuff in /boot and "Adding a boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration" |
| 18:41.14 | ekn2 | It just also complained about /dev/sda1. I guess it tries to update grub everywhere. I dunno |
| 18:41.28 | ekn2 | SharkQUIRKS: It contains the net install |
| 18:41.29 | greycat | It probes all the disks it can find looking for operating systems to add to the grub.cfg |
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| 18:42.05 | ekn2 | Based on the modified time of grub.cfg, I would say it's updated |
| 18:42.11 | teraflops | maybe, you already know the procedure, so maybe it's time to exit and try booting from the usb stick |
| 18:42.17 | SharkQUIRKS | ekn2: dd bs=4M if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb? |
| 18:42.25 | teraflops | ugh |
| 18:42.45 | ekn2 | SharkQUIRKS: Heeellll no |
| 18:42.53 | ekn2 | wtf You're crazy |
| 18:43.06 | ekn2 | Going to boot now |
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| 18:43.10 | teraflops | ekn2: just give it a try, exit, exit, and try the usb stick now |
| 18:43.36 | SharkQUIRKS | Wtf is he/she trying to accomplish? |
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| 18:43.53 | BluesKaj | SharkQUIRKS, please , just these guys finish what they're doing , please stop cluterring |
| 18:43.59 | ekn2 | teraflops: Works |
| 18:44.10 | teraflops | SharkQUIRKS: bs=4M, I could ask you the same :P |
| 18:44.11 | ekn2 | ty |
| 18:44.16 | teraflops | ekn2: good |
| 18:44.36 | ekn2 | Wow |
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| 18:44.52 | ekn2 | Some minor graphical bugs after logging in |
| 18:45.04 | njumdl2014 | Is it possible to collect manpages that used frequently in Debian? No matter which file format? |
| 18:45.07 | ekn2 | The screen flashes rainbow colors, but then it draws a desktop just fine |
| 18:45.19 | ekn2 | Looks really sloppy though |
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| 18:45.51 | teraflops | ekn2: time to grab the fw for your nic, you can even download the package from another OS and put it into a USB |
| 18:46.01 | SharkQUIRKS | Apologies, trying to learn more. |
| 18:46.05 | teraflops | SharkQUIRKS: np |
| 18:46.21 | ekn2 | teraflops: What is nic? |
| 18:46.33 | teraflops | network interface |
| 18:46.36 | greycat | network interface card |
| 18:46.39 | ekn2 | Oh, right |
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| 18:47.29 | ekn2 | I just ran Firefox, logged into my apartment website, and now I can ping stuff and go to websites in the browser |
| 18:47.34 | ekn2 | I guess the generic fw works |
| 18:47.53 | greycat | YOu mean your apartment's generic firewall? |
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| 18:48.29 | ekn2 | I don't know wtf it is. Whenever I try to go to a website before logging in, it redirects me to a website that prompts for a username and password via popup |
| 18:48.41 | teraflops | ekn2: you can check form the live system logs if it complains about missing fw |
| 18:48.52 | ekn2 | teraflops: You mean dmesg? |
| 18:48.58 | teraflops | yep |
| 18:48.59 | greycat | I would definitely install those firmware packages soon. |
| 18:49.23 | greycat | we know you want firmware-realtek so far |
| 18:49.32 | ekn2 | greycat: Why? |
| 18:49.35 | teraflops | I second greycat's assertion |
| 18:49.47 | ekn2 | Why should I install it if the Ethernet already works? |
| 18:49.53 | jmcnaught | if the interface works without the firmware, is it really needed? I've seen people have more problems with the firmware for realtek than without it |
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| 18:49.58 | greycat | Why do we know it? Because you posted the error message with the filename and I asked judd what pkg the file is in. |
| 18:50.08 | teraflops | does it work properly? maybe it's missing features |
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| 18:50.19 | ekn2 | Uh, I can Internet |
| 18:50.43 | ekn2 | I'm down to install it though just to make the messages go away |
| 18:50.55 | ekn2 | Is there a user-friendly way to install drivers? |
| 18:51.07 | greycat | !non-free |
| 18:51.07 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:51.18 | greycat | once you do that, apt-get update and apt-get install firmware-realtek |
| 18:51.27 | teraflops | ekn2: you just need the firmware, the system already told you so :P |
| 18:51.56 | ekn2 | Back when I used Ubuntu, there was like a whole start menu thing with options to install drivers |
| 18:51.56 | SharkQUIRKS | Don't you modprobe after you install driver firmware? |
| 18:52.13 | ekn2 | I don't see anything like that. Just a think that says "Activities" which makes a bunch of program icons appear |
| 18:52.24 | ekn2 | I guess I can do it the command line way though |
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| 18:52.38 | greycat | Ubuntu is marketed for chimps. |
| 18:52.47 | ekn2 | I want to be a chimp |
| 18:52.57 | teraflops | go for it, you already messed with a rescue shell :P |
| 18:52.58 | ekn2 | This is why I'm not using Gentoo |
| 18:52.59 | SharkQUIRKS | ekn2: No, you don't |
| 18:53.18 | ekn2 | Actually, the main reason is saving time compiling, but... |
| 18:53.25 | ekn2 | I thought Debian was supposed to hold your hand |
| 18:53.53 | teraflops | ekn2: that's windows |
| 18:54.03 | ekn2 | I don't know wtf this alioth page is. I thought I just add some url to my package source config and then apt-get |
| 18:54.17 | greycat | Stupid bot. |
| 18:54.19 | ekn2 | This page doesn't have instructions for that |
| 18:54.20 | greycat | !non-free sources |
| 18:54.20 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
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| 18:54.49 | ekn2 | Ohhh noooo. Not non free! Mommy, I'm scared |
| 18:55.24 | teraflops | ekn2: command line helped you to fix your issue, even using windows, you may end using a iso and command line interface for making the same |
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| 18:55.48 | teraflops | just do not underestimate the power of the command line interface |
| 18:56.06 | teraflops | making/doing |
| 18:56.10 | Henry151 | I am going to start hanging out in #debian and trying to help people even though I'm a noo |
| 18:56.13 | Henry151 | Bee |
| 18:56.23 | teraflops | are you a bee or a noo :P |
| 18:56.27 | JPT | no bee |
| 18:56.37 | ekn2 | I have been using the command line exclusively for like 5 years. I just wanted Debian to wow me with user-friendliness so I could see if this distro has any potential to attract a non-tech user base |
| 18:57.03 | JPT | Henry151: Good idea. It also helps you learn how to find things out even faster in case you don't know them off the bat. :) |
| 18:57.05 | teraflops | ekn2: tl;dr do whatever floats your goat |
| 18:57.10 | Henry151 | I mean I've been using linux for almost 15 years now, but I just recently finally got to the point where I can use Debian instead of relying on other distros that come with wifi drivers etc |
| 18:57.11 | ekn2 | It almost seems like there has been negative progress |
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| 18:57.31 | n4dir | I've been using linux since jesus was a baby. at minimum |
| 18:58.16 | ekn2 | I'm not avoiding the command line at the moment because I can't use it. I just want to see how possible it is to not use it on Debian for trivial things |
| 18:58.18 | Henry151 | ekn2: I think of Debian as being not particularly user-friendly.. maybe I'm wrong; but I always found it was challenging to install and get all my stuff to work like it was supposed to, while other distros would work out-of-the-box for me |
| 18:58.31 | mxh- | ekn2: debian stable is not something i'd recommend for anyone "non-tech" |
| 18:58.36 | ekn2 | Henry151: What distros? The only one I can guess is Ubuntu |
| 18:58.50 | Henry151 | lol here's where you guys can laugh at me, I don't mind |
| 18:58.53 | Henry151 | I've never used ubuntu |
| 18:58.54 | jhutchins_wk | I don't care if Linux attracts non-technical users. I hope it doesn't. I want it to remain a powerful tool for technical users and not get dumbed down. |
| 18:58.59 | SharkQUIRKS | OpenSUSE works out-of-the-box, yes? |
| 18:59.01 | mxh- | Mint is high on the list of distros i'd recommend |
| 18:59.03 | greycat | End user hand-holding is *not* one of Debian's primary design goals. |
| 18:59.06 | mxh- | never debian |
| 18:59.10 | ekn2 | Henry151: Don't worry. I'm not a distro hipster |
| 18:59.13 | Henry151 | always used Kali linux because it had everything bundled nicely and the iso just worked, on every piece of hardware I stuck it in |
| 18:59.26 | ekn2 | I don't look down on people who use other whatever distro they want |
| 18:59.28 | jelly | points Henry151 and n4dir at #debian-offtopic... keep this channel for actual tech support, discussion of your expertise and linux history is not that |
| 18:59.36 | teraflops | jhutchins_wk: I agree |
| 18:59.36 | Henry151 | jelly: ok |
| 18:59.41 | SharkQUIRKS | Always carry Kali & TAILS live USB's. |
| 19:00.00 | ekn2 | I guess I was mistaked about Debian then. I thought since it had Gnome it would be user-friendly with just less branding than Ubuntu |
| 19:00.12 | ekn2 | *mistaken |
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| 19:00.26 | n4dir | i am all with greycat. and here is a short summary i agree with (the one from Krafft) http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=21372&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 |
| 19:00.43 | jhutchins_wk | ekn2: This is a technical support channel, not a linux philosophy channel. Could you please stay on topic or be quiet? |
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| 19:01.18 | Henry151 | I have ran away to #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:01.36 | jhutchins_wk | Henry151: Thx. |
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| 19:37.41 | xar- | fresh upgrade from jessie to stretch: cat /etc/resolv.conf: No such file or directory |
| 19:37.44 | xar- | HALP |
| 19:38.05 | greycat | Create it. |
| 19:38.14 | xar- | what's the command for a table-flip emoji |
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| 19:38.29 | xar- | this is a fresh install, what happened that it's gone |
| 19:38.37 | greycat | You were the one who had that "rdnssd" or something installed, yes? Maybe that was related somehow. |
| 19:38.55 | xar- | I'm just a dumb end user, I don't understand how this stuff is glued together |
| 19:39.03 | xar- | so re-install rdnssd? |
| 19:39.14 | greycat | Unlikely, given that "Breaks" line. |
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| 19:39.29 | greycat | Just go ahead and create a resolv.conf file. |
| 19:39.49 | xar- | what should I populate it with, my gateway? |
| 19:39.55 | greycat | Worst that can happen is something will come along and overwrite it later, but at least it will work NOW. |
| 19:39.56 | xar- | nameserver <gateway> ? |
| 19:40.09 | greycat | If you don't know what your nameserver is, use 8.8.8.8 |
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| 19:40.11 | jhutchins_wk | xar-: resolv.conf is usually generated through resolvconf from dhcp data. |
| 19:40.49 | jhutchins_wk | xar-: You could see if there's a manpage about it. |
| 19:40.53 | xar- | I defined a static configuration, so maybe my problem lies in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 19:41.10 | xar- | I've just never experienced this before where the file is just gone, empty sure, but gone? cmon |
| 19:41.13 | jhutchins_wk | xar-: That's not where you usually put nameservers. |
| 19:41.17 | jhutchins_wk | !networking |
| 19:41.18 | dpkg | For basic networking, «man interfaces» and see http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . For further information, see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05 . See also <interfaces>, <wifi>, <wireless connection managers>. |
| 19:41.23 | greycat | If you define your network statically, then you also need to define your resolv.conf. You would have to know what to put in it, just like you had to know what to put in interfaces. |
| 19:42.11 | xar- | ok lemme experiment |
| 19:42.15 | xar- | brb thank you both |
| 19:42.33 | xar- | s/experiment/RTFM-a-bit/g |
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| 19:43.42 | greycat | The package description for rdnssd says it updates /etc/resolv.conf somehow, so it does seem to be related. |
| 19:44.09 | jelly | xar-: is it a fresh install, or a jessie->stretch? |
| 19:44.18 | greycat | For those just joining us, xar- had to remove that package because of a Breaks: line in stretch's systemd that was preventing the upgrade from working. |
| 19:44.37 | jelly | ,v rdnssd |
| 19:44.38 | judd | Package: rdnssd on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1-1+b1; jessie: 1.0.1-1+deb8u1; sid: 1.0.3-3; buster: 1.0.3-3; stretch: 1.0.3-3 |
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| 19:45.11 | greycat | stretch's systemd has "Breaks: ... rdnssd (<< 1.0.1-5)" |
| 19:45.13 | jelly | apt should have figured out the right upgrade order to avoid that |
| 19:46.16 | greycat | I figure it's some kind of bug, but I'm not sure what kind. |
| 19:46.31 | greycat | Why is systemd naming a version of the package that is *higher* than what's in stretch? |
| 19:47.00 | jelly | xar-: can you show ls -ld /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 19:47.07 | xar- | file does not exist |
| 19:47.10 | xar- | its gone |
| 19:47.15 | xar- | eradicate |
| 19:47.17 | xar- | poof |
| 19:47.17 | jelly | and it's not a broken symlink? |
| 19:47.34 | xar- | wait no, its a symlink ur right |
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| 19:47.44 | xar- | /var/run/NetworkManager/resolv.conf |
| 19:47.44 | jelly | which is why I ASKED |
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| 19:48.10 | jelly | xar-: so next time, can you just follow the instructions and answer the questions? |
| 19:48.21 | ekn2 | What is the contrib repo? Is that user-contributed software? |
| 19:48.32 | greycat | !contrib |
| 19:48.32 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ [stretch|buster|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
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| 19:48.36 | ekn2 | Would I ever need hardware-related stuff from there? |
| 19:48.39 | xar- | hey blame the GNU utilities for saying "no such file or directly" |
| 19:48.44 | xar- | directory* |
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| 19:49.00 | jelly | I blame the user for not knowing when ENOFILE can happen |
| 19:49.00 | xar- | of course I'm gonna assume it doesn't exist |
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| 19:49.20 | jelly | don't fucking assume, just follow the instructions pretty please |
| 19:49.26 | jelly | xar-: ls -ld /var/run |
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| 19:49.41 | xar- | /var/run -> /run |
| 19:49.47 | jelly | good |
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| 19:50.05 | jelly | xar-: is resolvconf package installed? |
| 19:50.55 | xar- | un resolvconf <none> <none> |
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| 19:51.00 | xar- | dpkg --l ^ |
| 19:51.01 | dpkg | xar-: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 19:51.03 | jelly | huh |
| 19:51.05 | simbalion | what package contains the "source" command? |
| 19:51.18 | greycat | simbalion: it's a shell builtin, in bash and *csh |
| 19:51.23 | jelly | I guess that symlink might actually make sense on a resolvconf-less setup |
| 19:51.32 | ekn2 | What driver do I need to install to get Debian running at my monitor's native resolution? |
| 19:51.34 | simbalion | obiously a web search for "debian package source" doesn't work |
| 19:51.35 | xar- | so install resolvconf? |
| 19:51.39 | simbalion | so I am hoping someone here can answer it |
| 19:51.46 | jelly | xar-: still, you can try to actually delete /etc/resolv.conf, reboot, and see if there's any difference |
| 19:51.49 | greycat | ekn2: lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
| 19:51.58 | xar- | ok |
| 19:52.12 | xar- | you mean delete the target of the symlink |
| 19:52.18 | jelly | no |
| 19:52.21 | ekn2 | rkta: Yeah, I have a GeForce GTX 970 |
| 19:52.26 | jelly | I mean rm /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:52.28 | ekn2 | greycat: ^ |
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| 19:52.34 | xar- | done |
| 19:52.35 | xar- | rebooting |
| 19:52.36 | greycat | ekn2: what's the PCI ID? |
| 19:52.49 | ekn2 | I'd like to install an open source driver possibly though |
| 19:52.58 | jelly | xar-: the target already doesn't exist, that's why file not found |
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| 19:53.25 | jelly | that's what broken symlink looks like to open() |
| 19:53.26 | ekn2 | greycat: Which is the PCI ID? |
| 19:53.30 | greycat | ekn2: lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
| 19:53.41 | ekn2 | greycat: I did that |
| 19:53.46 | greycat | Paste the line. |
| 19:53.51 | jolt | :D |
| 19:53.59 | ekn2 | I'm running IRC on another computer. Hold on |
| 19:55.14 | ekn2 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GM204 [GeForce GTX 970] [10de:13c2] (rev a1) |
| 19:55.19 | jelly | greycat: eh, 1.0.1-5 is not higher than 1.0.3-3 (the thing that Breaks unbroke some time after jessie, but before stretch froze) |
| 19:55.26 | greycat | ,pciid 10de:13c2 |
| 19:55.27 | judd | [10de:13c2] is 'GM204 [GeForce GTX 970]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:13c2 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 19:56.02 | greycat | ekn2: were there any more firmware errors in dmesg, particularly related to the video? |
| 19:56.12 | jelly | ,v xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 19:56.13 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.0.1-5; jessie: 1:1.0.11-1; stretch: 1:1.0.13-3; sid: 1:1.0.15-2; buster: 1:1.0.15-2 |
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| 19:56.54 | ekn2 | greycat: nouveau ... firmware: failed to load nvidia/gm204/gr/sw_nonctx.bin (-2) |
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| 19:57.06 | greycat | ,file sw_nonctx.bin |
| 19:57.07 | ekn2 | nouveau 0000:01:00.0 |
| 19:57.10 | judd | Search for sw_nonctx.bin in stretch/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/nvidia/gk20a/sw_nonctx.bin, lib/firmware/nvidia/gm200/gr/sw_nonctx.bin, lib/firmware/nvidia/gm204/gr/sw_nonctx.bin, lib/firmware/nvidia/gm206/gr/sw_nonctx.bin, lib/firmware/nvidia/gm20b/gr/sw_nonctx.bin, lib/firmware/nvidia/gp100/gr/sw_nonctx.bin |
| 19:57.12 | jelly | ekn2: if things do not work with normal stretch drivers, you're probably out of luck with nouveau (the free driver for nvidia cards) until a backport happens. Judd's output shows a backport hasn't happened yet |
| 19:57.23 | greycat | ekn2: try installing firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 19:57.48 | greycat | If that doesn't fix the issue, then as jelly says, you may have to try the nonfree nvidia driver. |
| 19:57.53 | jelly | oh right, newer nvidias need fw for everything :-\] |
| 19:58.01 | ekn2 | greycat: Can I use apt-cache to get a description of a package? |
| 19:58.08 | greycat | Yes. apt-cache show pkgname |
| 19:58.16 | jelly | still lib/firmware/nvidia/gm204/gr/sw_nonctx.bin sounds like GM204 from lspci |
| 19:58.22 | BluesKaj | ek make sure dkms is installed |
| 19:58.35 | BluesKaj | ekn2,^ |
| 19:58.38 | jelly | BluesKaj: dkms is not needed yet |
| 19:58.46 | greycat | That won't matter unless/until he tries installing the nonfree driver. |
| 19:58.56 | BluesKaj | well, nvidia drivers need it |
| 19:58.59 | jelly | (and if it comes to nvidia-driver, it will pull it in via deps anyway) |
| 19:59.02 | simbalion | ah nvm, just wasn't in a bash shell for some reason |
| 19:59.14 | greycat | The plan is to try nouveau + firmware first. |
| 19:59.19 | ekn2 | I sometimes write graphics programs. Should I expect graphical bugs with the open-source driver? |
| 19:59.21 | jelly | nod |
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| 19:59.31 | ekn2 | If so, I'd rather just jump to using the Nvidia driver |
| 19:59.39 | jelly | ekn2: try the free one and see. |
| 19:59.49 | ekn2 | Alright |
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| 20:00.17 | jolt | It's not like Nvidia doesn't write bugs either |
| 20:00.34 | ekn2 | By the way, for my own record-keeping, is there a way to see which packages I have manually installed vs. ones that came from the installer or dependencies? |
| 20:00.49 | jelly | jolt: they write a lot less bugs and actually care about not breaking apps (too much) |
| 20:00.58 | ekn2 | Agreed |
| 20:01.14 | ekn2 | But I have had problems with Nvidia drivers overheating my computers on Linux before |
| 20:01.33 | greycat | ekn2: apt-mark showmanual |
| 20:02.02 | ekn2 | greycat: This shows me a bunch of packages I did not manually install |
| 20:02.04 | jelly | ekn2: that was actually a lot more likely to happen with nouveau, which has haphazard support for fan control and gpu component clocking |
| 20:02.14 | greycat | *shrug* same here, but that's what the man page says |
| 20:02.19 | ekn2 | ha |
| 20:02.31 | ekn2 | I'll just write it down in a text file |
| 20:02.33 | jelly | very dependent on gpu model and driver(kernel) versions |
| 20:03.23 | jelly | all the stuff d-i got during the initial installation (debootstrap) gets marked manual I think |
| 20:03.46 | ekn2 | Okay, rebooting after installing firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 20:04.00 | ekn2 | Damn, that rainbow flash |
| 20:04.01 | jolt | Yeah, I had an endless amount of 'em |
| 20:04.15 | jelly | one can declutter a lot on release upgrades by marking lib* as automatically installed |
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| 20:04.45 | ekn2 | wtf |
| 20:04.47 | ekn2 | My screen is black |
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| 20:05.15 | ekn2 | Oh, my PC turned off |
| 20:06.42 | ekn2 | Now I just boot to a black screen |
| 20:06.54 | ekn2 | And my monitor acts like nothing is connected |
| 20:07.16 | jelly | that might actually be progress |
| 20:07.33 | jelly | do you have a second machine on the local network, to ssh into this one? |
| 20:07.35 | ekn2 | My monitor says there is no signal |
| 20:07.42 | ekn2 | jelly: Yes |
| 20:08.01 | ekn2 | jelly: I have not configured my SSH server on this Debian install yet though |
| 20:08.05 | jelly | but I bet you have not installed openssh-server or "ssh" package yet |
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| 20:08.19 | ekn2 | I believe I did install SSH with the installler |
| 20:08.22 | jelly | if you installed it, it would start automatically |
| 20:08.30 | ekn2 | Then it should be running |
| 20:08.37 | jelly | you have to guess the ip address |
| 20:08.45 | ekn2 | I could just ping all of them |
| 20:09.03 | jelly | sure. It also might be the same one as a couple minutes before |
| 20:09.14 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 20:09.15 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-2-686 (4.11.11-1+b1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.11.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.11.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: |
| 20:09.16 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2) |
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| 20:10.09 | jelly | ekn2: if it booted, and there are nouveau noises in dmesg, the next thing you might try is installing and booting 4.11 kernel from stretch-backports |
| 20:11.02 | jelly | and if _that_ fails, then it's probably time for nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 20:11.09 | n4dir | nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 will show all devices connected to the router (assuming 192.168.1. is correct ; duh). |
| 20:11.38 | ekn2 | n4dir: Yeah, I'm doing that currently |
| 20:11.51 | n4dir | sorry for the noise then :-) |
| 20:11.52 | ekn2 | nmap -sS -p 22 10.18.24.0/24 |
| 20:12.06 | ekn2 | Slighly different. I dunno. Got it off Google |
| 20:12.11 | ekn2 | It's for SSH |
| 20:12.28 | ekn2 | Looks like there are 4 SSH servers on the network |
| 20:13.03 | ekn2 | Can I do anything to get more info about the machines before I just type my password into one of them? |
| 20:14.00 | n4dir | ekn2: my version will also give something similar to the hostname (perhaps even the hostname). Perhaps that will help you? |
| 20:14.09 | ekn2 | Yes |
| 20:15.47 | jelly | ekn2: or reboot the machine and disable modesetting via boot param temporarily |
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| 20:16.19 | jelly | !kms |
| 20:16.19 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 20:16.29 | jelly | the 'nomodeset' thing might do it. |
| 20:16.31 | ekn2 | n4dir: I don't see any hostnames |
| 20:16.46 | HSorgYves_____ | How can I change the name of the quota files? |
| 20:17.06 | jelly | HSorgYves_____: you can't, these are hardcoded in the kernel |
| 20:17.26 | jelly | you also can't move them away from the mountpoint root |
| 20:17.31 | n4dir | ekn2: might be i set them in the router and that's how nmap gets them. sorry. |
| 20:17.48 | HSorgYves_____ | jelly, I thought you specify them using "usrjquota=quota.user" or the like |
| 20:17.50 | jelly | HSorgYves_____: that is, if you're talking about filesystem quota |
| 20:18.04 | ekn2 | jelly: Booting with nomodeset |
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| 20:18.18 | jelly | HSorgYves_____: dunno, which fs type? |
| 20:18.34 | HSorgYves_____ | ext3 |
| 20:18.48 | ekn2 | jelly: That fixed it |
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| 20:19.17 | ekn2 | Why do none of the Gnome windows have a maximize button?? |
| 20:19.25 | ekn2 | I have to double-click? |
| 20:19.43 | ekn2 | No minimize button either |
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| 20:20.08 | jmcnaught | ekn2: or drag to top or side, or <super>+arrow keys |
| 20:20.18 | jelly | HSorgYves_____: if man 8 mount says there's such a thing as usrjquota= for ext3, then I guess you already know more than me |
| 20:20.25 | jmcnaught | gnome has nowhere to minimize to but you can hide with super+h |
| 20:20.41 | ekn2 | Okay. Thanks. I'll get used to it |
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| 20:21.31 | ekn2 | I don't see any nouveau messages in dmesg now |
| 20:21.33 | jelly | HSorgYves_____: if so, those are mount options, you'd typically specify them in /etc/fstab, the "options" column |
| 20:21.34 | spacebug^ | ekn2: you can enable that in gnome-tweak-tool |
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| 20:21.43 | ekn2 | spacebug^: ty |
| 20:21.52 | jelly | ekn2: you need to look at kernel messages for the previous boot |
| 20:22.02 | ekn2 | jelly: Where are those |
| 20:22.03 | jelly | ekn2: /var/log/kern.log |
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| 20:22.16 | jelly | assuming rsyslog is installed... |
| 20:22.22 | ekn2 | Ya |
| 20:22.38 | jelly | if it's not, then they're probably somewhere in systemd journal and I have no idea how that works |
| 20:23.24 | jmcnaught | journald isn't persistent by defaut on Debian |
| 20:23.31 | ekn2 | I see the same error as before: "nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: failed to load nvidia/gm204/gr/sw_nonctx.bin (-2) |
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| 20:23.45 | ekn2 | Several other errors |
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| 20:23.55 | jelly | ekn2: can you pastebin those? |
| 20:23.58 | ekn2 | Sure |
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| 20:24.08 | ekn2 | Not sure why I can't grep this log though |
| 20:24.09 | jelly | install pastebinit then pipe into that command |
| 20:24.12 | ekn2 | It just says "binary file matches" |
| 20:24.16 | jelly | use grep -a |
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| 20:25.52 | HSorgYves_____ | jelly: changing the quota database files results in an error though :-( |
| 20:26.03 | jelly | what kind of error |
| 20:26.28 | HSorgYves_____ | jelly: [1570554.661596] EXT4-fs (sda1): user quota file already specified |
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| 20:26.49 | jelly | that's still ext3 right? |
| 20:26.58 | HSorgYves_____ | Yes |
| 20:27.05 | HSorgYves_____ | The message is from dmesg |
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| 20:27.14 | jelly | HSorgYves_____: is sda1 your / filesystem? |
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| 20:27.24 | HSorgYves_____ | Yes |
| 20:27.52 | jelly | you may have to quotaoff, remount without quota options, then remount with new options, maybe |
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| 20:28.31 | HSorgYves_____ | Tried that, no luck |
| 20:28.32 | jelly | or reboot, if that happened at reboot, then there's a bug somewhere or something done in wrong order |
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| 20:29.19 | jelly | I've honestly never tried doing this, or even knew it was possible to change the names |
| 20:29.56 | HSorgYves_____ | How to completely remove quotas? quotaoff seems to not be enough |
| 20:30.12 | jelly | it's enough |
| 20:30.27 | jelly | you should be able to eg. delete the files after that |
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| 20:31.40 | jelly | don't have any non-production machine with quotas enabled to confirm right now, so maybe I'm lying |
| 20:32.09 | HSorgYves_____ | I can delete the files, doesn't help either |
| 20:33.14 | ekn2 | jelly: https://pastebin.com/3XFXTquX |
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| 20:33.41 | ekn2 | jelly: The bottom error repeats hundreds of times |
| 20:34.17 | jelly | ekn2: okay. Is there a /lib/firmware/nvidia/gm204/gr/sw_nonctx.bin |
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| 20:34.56 | ekn2 | jelly: Yes |
| 20:35.33 | jelly | is it 1440 bytes long? |
| 20:35.45 | ekn2 | jelly: Yes |
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| 20:36.10 | jelly | then how the hell does the kernel not find it |
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| 20:36.31 | ekn2 | jelly: It said "failed to load" |
| 20:36.51 | jmcnaught | are we sure that this paste is from logs of a boot that has the firmware installed? |
| 20:36.52 | jelly | -2 is "file not found" |
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| 20:37.00 | ekn2 | Oh |
| 20:37.07 | ekn2 | jelly: How do you know its for that file? |
| 20:37.14 | jelly | we're sure trusting ekn2 pasted the right thing |
| 20:37.17 | ekn2 | jelly: Maybe it tries to load another file? |
| 20:37.49 | ekn2 | I pasted /var/log/kern.log excerpts |
| 20:38.02 | jelly | nope, it's a generic message, if it says it wanted that one, then it wanted that one |
| 20:38.09 | ekn2 | I have only booted once since adding the nomodeset option |
| 20:38.44 | jelly | and 5 seconds in sounds like "after initramfs" not "inside initramfs" |
| 20:39.25 | jelly | something weird tho |
| 20:39.27 | jelly | Aug 11 03:43:43 hostname kernel: [ 5.225958] nouveau: probe of 0000:01:00.0 failed with error -2 |
| 20:39.27 | jelly | Aug 11 05:07:03 hostname kernel: [ 67.400831] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: disp: 0b24: 00000000 |
| 20:40.03 | jelly | ekn2: are you sure this is all one, single boot |
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| 20:40.32 | jelly | because if it is, then something moved your clock 1:23h forwards |
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| 20:40.59 | ekn2 | Oh |
| 20:41.06 | ekn2 | I thought kern.log was a single boot |
| 20:41.10 | ekn2 | The previous boot |
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| 20:41.20 | jelly | ekn2: pastebin "tail -n 1000 /var/log/kern.log" |
| 20:41.22 | ekn2 | I didn't know it kept messages from several boots |
| 20:41.36 | jelly | it keeps everything forever (well, until it rotates) |
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| 20:44.12 | jelly | while you're at it, see if backports are enabled |
| 20:44.17 | jelly | !stretch-backports |
| 20:44.18 | dpkg | Backported packages are normally prepared based on the sources in the testing release; there's no point in creating a testing-backports release. Ask me about <tum> <testing> <backports>. |
| 20:44.20 | ekn2 | jelly: https://psatebin.com/jU4Z6P9A |
| 20:44.23 | jelly | hmm |
| 20:44.31 | ekn2 | Oops |
| 20:44.40 | jelly | that needs fixing |
| 20:44.49 | ekn2 | jelly: https://pastebin.com/jU4Z6P9A |
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| 20:45.21 | jelly | not very useful, those 1000 lines :-) |
| 20:45.49 | ekn2 | jelly: SCHED_ERROR!! |
| 20:45.52 | jelly | oh, I need to scroll some more |
| 20:46.13 | jelly | line 207 is a new reboot |
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| 20:46.35 | jelly | but that's the nomodeset one |
| 20:46.52 | ekn2 | Do you want more |
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| 20:47.37 | jelly | ekn2: maybe.... grep -B1 -A1000 'BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-3-amd64.* quiet *$' /var/log/kern.log ? |
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| 20:48.15 | jelly | find the beginning of previous boot, then paste from that point forward |
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| 20:48.48 | jelly | kernel: [ 0.000000] Linux version 4.9.0-3-amd64 [...] is the beginning |
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| 20:51.07 | ekn2 | jelly: The log is about 500,000 lines |
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| 20:51.50 | ekn2 | jelly: Most of them are that SCHED_ERROR line |
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| 20:52.35 | jelly | which is why I asked for about a thousand lines starting with previous boot, not all of it |
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| 20:53.48 | cruncher | ekn2, i didnt read all of the chat history, but did you try adding nouveau.modeset=0 to the kernel parameters? |
| 20:53.58 | ekn2 | cruncher: No |
| 20:54.21 | jelly | cruncher: nomodeset worked to boot the machine and get a text console |
| 20:55.36 | jelly | that solves the "being able to type commands and pastebin debug info" issue not the actual goal of getting the gpu to do its job |
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| 20:55.57 | jelly | away for a bit |
| 20:56.24 | ekn2 | I need sleep |
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| 20:58.56 | jhutchins | ekn2: Not wise to do this stuff on too much sleep deprivation. You end up having to yank everything back out and do it sober. |
| 21:00.03 | ekn2 | jelly: https://pastebin.com/7kP4z4rz |
| 21:00.28 | ekn2 | If it's this much work to get nouveau working, why not just use the nvidia driver |
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| 21:02.49 | ekn2 | It just looks like this driver is buggy based on the log |
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| 21:03.35 | Hoolootwo | I'm not sure what card you have, but nouveau has always just worked for me |
| 21:04.01 | Hoolootwo | well, there have been a couple bugs, but nothing major enough to impact usability |
| 21:04.17 | Hoolootwo | which is hopefully where it will get in the future for your card |
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| 21:04.56 | ekn2 | Hoolootwo: I have a GTX 970 |
| 21:06.13 | Hoolootwo | once you've got some sleep, you should also ask #nouveau what the best option is |
| 21:06.26 | Hoolootwo | I don't have experience with any kind of modern cards |
| 21:07.25 | jelly | ekn2: it's buggy when it can't find the firmware, that's really expected |
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| 21:08.02 | ekn2 | jelly: It doesn't look like it had problems finding the file |
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| 21:08.06 | ekn2 | jelly: In this boot |
| 21:08.44 | jelly | ekn2: lines 767-769 show firmware not being found |
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| 21:09.11 | ekn2 | jelly: Oh |
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| 21:11.06 | jelly | so can you reboot once with default boot params again, wait for a minute, then reset and boot with nomodeset again? |
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| 21:11.41 | jelly | I'd like to confirm nouveau really doesn't find firmware |
| 21:12.20 | jelly | (instead of this accidentally being a much earlier boot, when fw actually was not present) |
| 21:12.33 | ekn2 | Can I delete the kernel log first? |
| 21:12.49 | jelly | stop rsyslog first, then delete it |
| 21:12.57 | ekn2 | How do I do that? |
| 21:13.09 | jelly | service rsyslog stop |
| 21:13.23 | jelly | (as root) |
| 21:13.24 | ekn2 | Don't know how to use systemd |
| 21:13.33 | ekn2 | Used to openrc |
| 21:14.00 | jelly | the service command is a compatibility layer, works with sysvinit and systemd |
| 21:14.07 | ekn2 | Ah |
| 21:14.22 | jelly | (systemd would probably be sysctemctl stop rsyslog, or similar) |
| 21:14.32 | ekn2 | "A stop job is running for Session..." |
| 21:14.34 | ekn2 | wtf |
| 21:14.38 | ekn2 | Just let me restart |
| 21:14.54 | ekn2 | Says I have to wait one minute |
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| 21:17.55 | jelly | ekn2: you can Alt-Sysrq-s then Alt-Sysrq-u then Alt-Sysrq-b if you're impatient |
| 21:18.44 | jelly | systemd has interesting design and timeout choices |
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| 21:19.42 | jelly | !sysrq |
| 21:19.42 | dpkg | methinks sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-[Key]. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try [Key] with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt . See also <sysrqd>. |
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| 21:21.04 | ekn2 | jelly: Is there a better site than pastebin that doesn't limit me to 512 kB |
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| 21:21.41 | heap_ | guys i installed borgbackup but its old version 1.0.7, 1.0.10 is already there... but not in the official deb repo?:( |
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| 21:23.03 | ekn2 | jelly: https://paste.ee/p/FRiU7 |
| 21:23.27 | jelly | dunno what limits there are on http://paste.debian.net |
| 21:23.40 | ekn2 | There is something wrong |
| 21:23.46 | ekn2 | It doesn't start at the beginning |
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| 21:24.13 | ekn2 | jelly: I don't know why but kern.log doesn't start at 0 |
| 21:24.31 | jelly | that's still useless |
| 21:24.42 | ekn2 | I know |
| 21:24.57 | ekn2 | I didn't mess with it though |
| 21:25.36 | jelly | eh, try waiting just 10-15 seconds then reboot |
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| 21:26.25 | jelly | but still, if it didn't work this time, either it didn't find firmware again, which is weird and bad, or it did find firmware and still did not work properly |
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| 21:27.00 | ekn2 | jelly: As opposed to one minute? |
| 21:27.05 | ekn2 | jelly: Why did the log not start at 0? |
| 21:27.43 | jmcnaught | It's less ambiguous to use "journalctl --boot=-1" to see the previous boot's logs, but you need to enable persistent journals first with 'mkdir -p /var/log/journal ; systemd-tmpfiles --create --prefix /var/log/journal' |
| 21:28.55 | teraflops | hmm, journal is not persistent by default in stretch? |
| 21:29.05 | jmcnaught | nope |
| 21:29.13 | teraflops | oh |
| 21:29.27 | ekn2 | What is a persistent journal? Does that mean the logs don't ever get deleted? |
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| 21:29.50 | jmcnaught | ekn2: it means written to disk so it survives a reboot |
| 21:29.51 | jelly | ekn2: kernel buffer for dmesg is limited in size and overwrites oldest entries to make room for new ones if needed. Journald and rsyslog don't start right away, but after a couple seconds, and only then is dmesg dumped from kernel buffer to disk, at that point nouveau's flood has already wiped the earliest lines away. |
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| 21:30.13 | teraflops | ekn2: everytime you reboot journalctl logs disappear |
| 21:30.26 | jelly | mkdir /var/log/journal is enough IME |
| 21:30.46 | jmcnaught | jelly: journald starts at boot for me, didn't do anything special |
| 21:31.31 | ekn2 | I don't want to change my config to something I don't understand while I'm tired |
| 21:31.57 | jelly | if you're tired it's probably best to continue later or tomorrow |
| 21:32.13 | teraflops | I should take a look at journald.conf |
| 21:32.25 | ekn2 | How do I undo what jmcnaught said to do? |
| 21:32.31 | ekn2 | So I can just do it and undo it |
| 21:32.33 | jelly | it's almost midnight here as well so I'll be off |
| 21:33.03 | jelly | ekn2: you'd stop journald, wipe /var/log/journal and its contents and reboot |
| 21:33.22 | ekn2 | systemd-tmpfiles --create |
| 21:33.24 | ekn2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.33 | jmcnaught | ekn2: /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz |
| 21:33.52 | ekn2 | I'm not going to read anything long right now |
| 21:34.07 | jelly | see you around tomorrow, then |
| 21:34.13 | ekn2 | Alright |
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| 21:51.58 | gzcwnk | anyone in by chance? I have a seg fault on a livecd I am trying to use to rescue a server |
| 21:52.22 | gzcwnk | https://pasteboard.co/GF3RU5F.jpg |
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| 22:07.36 | gzcwnk | gabriele I can check that |
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| 22:08.24 | gzcwnk | I kind of suspect it might be a vmware bug |
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| 22:08.57 | Hoolootwo | could be a combination |
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| 22:14.35 | gzcwnk | where would I find the hash of the debina9 iso? |
| 22:14.40 | gabrielc | gzcwnk: the iso corresponds to the operating system of the vm? |
| 22:15.06 | gabrielc | https://www.debian.org/CD/verify.en.html |
| 22:15.07 | dvs | gzcwnk, the same place where you got the ISO |
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| 22:15.46 | gabrielc | bad link |
| 22:15.49 | gzcwnk | gabrielc probably.....it was a debian 8.9 386 I just upgraded to 9.1 386 and I am attempting to crossplatform it to x86_64 |
| 22:15.58 | gzcwnk | dvs not there I can see |
| 22:16.24 | dvs | gzcwnk, which URL? |
| 22:16.49 | gzcwnk | I keep getting seg faults when I try to update grub to point to the x86_64 kernel but it to boots to it fine |
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| 22:17.13 | gzcwnk | https://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 22:17.37 | dvs | gzcwnk, I don't see any ISOs on that page |
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| 22:17.58 | gzcwnk | so I am trying to re-install grub but I get a seg fault off the live cd as well :( |
| 22:18.38 | gzcwnk | dvs on it is a link tot he 386 net inst iso |
| 22:18.58 | gzcwnk | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-9.1.0-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 22:20.17 | gzcwnk | n/m found it...doh |
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| 22:22.31 | gzcwnk | @gabrielc md5sum checks out as OK |
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| 22:24.29 | gabrielc | gzcwnk: what I would do is confirm the architecture of the processor and start with an iso image more similar to the operating system of the virtual machine |
| 22:24.39 | gzcwnk | would anyone have an Idea what I can try next to re-install grub? |
| 22:25.40 | gzcwnk | gabrielc it was 8.9 386 now its 9.1 386 all Ive done is install a amd64 kernel, it boots either a 386 or a x86_64 kernel |
| 22:26.10 | gzcwnk | I can ry a x86_64 live cd |
| 22:26.18 | cruncher | !grub |
| 22:26.19 | dpkg | GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub default>. To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub2 #grub on irc.freenode.net. See also <grub legacy>. |
| 22:26.19 | dvs | fry? |
| 22:26.24 | cruncher | !fixmbr |
| 22:26.25 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 22:28.29 | gzcwnk | hmm OK I got as far a alt-F2 f1 is hung. |
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| 22:35.58 | hossman | would you please kindly help me setup a wireless ap from within debian? When I try with network-manager the create option doesnt work, when I use nmtui there's no way to activate it. Many thanks |
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| 22:37.36 | gzcwnk | I dont seem to have an "update-grub" available |
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| 22:39.22 | petn-randall | hossman: It's not quite trivial, your best bet is to use hostapd for this. |
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| 22:43.33 | gzcwnk | dpkg's instructions are not working expected commands like "grub-install dont seem to be present on the netiso cd, do I need the full dvd? |
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| 22:45.06 | cruncher | gzcwnk, you have to answer the first question first, not instantly switch to tty2 |
| 22:45.33 | gzcwnk | tty1 does not work, tty2 is my only option |
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| 22:46.07 | cruncher | gzcwnk, why it "doesnt work"? |
| 22:46.17 | gzcwnk | all I get for tty1 is a blue screen with a grey band across the bottom |
| 22:46.39 | cruncher | gzcwnk, you have it in a vm? |
| 22:46.45 | gzcwnk | I have no idea that is why I came here, ive exhausted google searching |
| 22:46.53 | gzcwnk | yes its on vmware 6 |
| 22:47.15 | gzcwnk | or vsphere6 |
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| 22:48.03 | cruncher | ok, i dont know about vmware, but my guess is either it is really slow due to some acceleration thingy missing(just be patient until you see the selection/menu/whatever), or your vm settings are "wrong" somewhere |
| 22:48.29 | gzcwnk | its been up 10+ minutes now if not longer |
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| 22:48.47 | hossman | petn-randall: cheers will try |
| 22:48.56 | cruncher | gzcwnk, well, thats a bit long.. check settings, set them to default if you can to test or so |
| 22:49.11 | cruncher | fact is, it must be on your side somewhere on the vm part |
| 22:49.11 | gzcwnk | what settings to check? |
| 22:50.05 | cruncher | gzcwnk, as i said, i have no idea about vm... but check things like kvm, vt, processor, io apic, etc |
| 22:50.31 | gzcwnk | the system boots fine and has for a decade |
| 22:50.48 | gzcwnk | just I cant update grub it seg faults |
| 22:51.04 | gzcwnk | so Im trying a livecd |
| 22:51.49 | cruncher | gzcwnk, well, if you exclude that part, then we cant help you.. live cd doesnt work, netinst cd doesnt work, seg faults... you really dont think the problem must be in your vm somewhere? |
| 22:52.22 | gzcwnk | or I am hitting a bug |
| 22:52.35 | cruncher | possible |
| 22:53.21 | gzcwnk | I am goiing to try a x86_64 livecd instead |
| 22:53.38 | gzcwnk | Im out of option except a rebuild and tape restore |
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| 22:54.56 | cruncher | gzcwnk, as i said, no idea about vmware, but if its like vbox/qemu, to investigate this problem just use the image (hd file) on a new/default machine |
| 22:55.12 | cruncher | do a backup if you need first |
| 22:55.36 | gzcwnk | this is a clone of the production server and its nspashotted so I can back out OK |
| 22:55.42 | gzcwnk | snapshotted |
| 22:56.20 | cruncher | or try the live cd/netinst on a new machine/image to see if its a general bug with vm or only with your image |
| 22:56.58 | gzcwnk | hmm doesnt really help me if it is |
| 22:57.51 | cruncher | not entirely true... at least you would know |
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| 22:59.12 | gzcwnk | I have already done a few clean upgrades no issues so its something on this machine, maybe because its so old |
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| 23:00.51 | cruncher | gzcwnk, i dont think so. It doesnt matter how old the debian installation is, the rescue cd should boot to the selections, regardless of what "harddisk" is attached |
| 23:01.04 | cruncher | therefore, i think its some vm setting |
| 23:01.22 | cruncher | even without hd image atatched it should start |
| 23:01.42 | m4dh4tt4 | gzcwnk, tldnr but, did you try update-grub2 by chance? |
| 23:01.45 | cruncher | you said you checked the iso md5sum, etc |
| 23:02.09 | gzcwnk | m4dh4tt4 yes it seg faults |
| 23:02.15 | gzcwnk | cruncher, yes |
| 23:02.28 | m4dh4tt4 | aight i tried, id be in here askin the same Q's lol |
| 23:03.50 | gzcwnk | this muchine has had a lot of upgrades I think it was debin5 or something upgraded each time, maybe something legacy |
| 23:04.01 | cruncher | gzcwnk, as i told you, that doesnt matter |
| 23:04.42 | gzcwnk | well having grub seg fault when it tries to update makes no sense then |
| 23:06.09 | cruncher | gzcwnk, anyway, by insisting what it is not, and by not trying to corner down the problem by testing things... i see it difficult to find the problem just by tring again and again the things that seg faults |
| 23:06.40 | cruncher | hope you find the problem/solution... im off for a while |
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| 23:15.54 | e2 | how i can change my root?have sposob? |
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| 23:16.07 | e2 | need for new soft |
| 23:16.44 | e2 | stetch here? |
| 23:17.01 | e2 | i need hex chat |
| 23:17.20 | e2 | but my root losded in instalattion |
| 23:17.57 | e2 | open window with group root,im typing yes,group -linuxvg |
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| 23:18.18 | e2 | but my crypto not hacked |
| 23:18.22 | e2 | i think |
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| 23:18.38 | e2 | . |
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| 23:19.02 | e2 | crypto disk |
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| 23:21.59 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 23:21.59 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 23:22.52 | petn-randall | e2: See above. Coherent sentences help when you want to get help. If english is not your primary language, let us know which is, and we can redirect you to the support channel in your language. |
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| 23:28.18 | xar- | im back |
| 23:28.34 | xar- | alright, so, I removed /etc/resolv.conf, restarted, it's still not there |
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| 23:44.59 | glisignoli | Hello, does anyone know how to make a package availabe in a preseed installation environment? |
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| 23:50.38 | e2 | no |
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| 23:51.42 | ChmEarl | glisignoli, use apt-install |
| 23:51.57 | e2 | apt-get install packet |
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| 23:53.06 | e2 | anyone know how i can change root? |
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| 23:53.17 | e2 | without root |
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| 23:53.30 | e2 | gnome |
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| 23:53.44 | ChmEarl | glisignoli, d-i preseed/late_command string apt-install <pkg> |
| 23:54.17 | e2 | or use arhive files |
| 23:55.14 | e2 | look in debian.org |
| 23:55.22 | e2 | repro |
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| 23:59.36 | somiaj | glisignoli: you could also set up a custom repo that is available to your preseed enviorment |
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