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| 00:17.44 | jak2000 | how to upgrade debian jessie 8 to debian jessie 9? |
| 00:17.56 | jak2000 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:19.02 | n4dir | jak2000: in short you change the file /etc/apt/sources list, run apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:19.36 | n4dir | there are notes somewhere how to upgrade (which will tell about possible problems or stuff which might have changed or such. I never read them ... hence don't know) |
| 00:20.13 | n4dir | !jessie-stretch |
| 00:20.19 | n4dir | ! jessie-stretch |
| 00:20.22 | n4dir | damnit |
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| 00:21.02 | n4dir | ! jessie->stretch |
| 00:21.02 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 00:21.05 | n4dir | ta-da |
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| 00:22.08 | jak2000 | thanks |
| 00:22.18 | jak2000 | how many time take? |
| 00:22.22 | jak2000 | so so |
| 00:23.08 | n4dir | for me it usually didn't take long. say at maximum 20 minutes. might recall it wrong, but sure not an hour. assuming everything goes fine |
| 00:24.13 | n4dir | jak2000: i never had problems, even without reading the release/upgrade notes. I think if one has a graphical chipcard like ndivia there is a bit more to it than simply editing and running the upgrade commands. i ain't got such hardware |
| 00:25.10 | n4dir | i would make sure to have an option/possibilty to ask in irc in case something goes south. |
| 00:26.30 | n4dir | i once ended with a black screen after the menu of grub. folks here helped me to solve it in the blink of an eye :-) |
| 00:26.40 | jak2000 | backuping firrst |
| 00:27.16 | n4dir | :-) |
| 00:31.37 | jak2000 | i have some hoste sites? |
| 00:31.40 | jak2000 | nameserver.... |
| 00:31.45 | jak2000 | is a problem? |
| 00:32.38 | n4dir | i don't know |
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| 00:52.53 | jak2000 | n4dir :) |
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| 00:53.08 | n4dir | yes? |
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| 00:57.13 | jmcnaught | it's so weird not to read the release notes. why wouldn't you want to know that information before upgrading? |
| 00:58.18 | n4dir | jmcnaught: i guess you are right. of course. |
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| 02:45.25 | nirux | Hello, Under Debian 9 MATE, the connection would drop in 5 to 10minutes without errors, disconnect dialogs, Just traffic stops going through. Can somebody help me out? |
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| 02:50.36 | aloo_shu | nirux, what have you tried to make sure it's debian that's getting stuck, not the router, the connection to your ISP.. |
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| 02:51.45 | aloo_shu | like, booted into a different OS, everything fine, other devices work ffine in the sam home network.. |
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| 02:56.25 | nirux | aloo_shu, I wiped Debian 9 fully, and installed arch linux, which worked perfectly fine. |
| 02:56.39 | nirux | Then I wiped arch and reinstalled Debian 9, and the issue came back, ran arch for a day. |
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| 02:57.05 | nirux | No other devices in my house have the issue during the event. |
| 02:57.23 | nirux | it was fine on debian 9 but then 9.1 came around and each install has this problem. |
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| 02:58.50 | aloo_shu | not to give you false expectations, I'm not a debian geek, a bit of general linux |
| 02:59.56 | aloo_shu | I'd probably have ping 8.8.8.8 running in a terminal and try to watch when it's slowing/getting stuck |
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| 03:00.25 | aloo_shu | and top in another terminal to see if I can spot anything |
| 03:02.31 | nirux | top? the process monitor? |
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| 03:03.18 | aloo_shu | nirux like 5-10 min irc is also getting stuck, or are you browsing? |
| 03:03.37 | nirux | mobile tethering |
| 03:03.58 | nirux | honestly planning on switching to Arch dualboot until I can find out the cause |
| 03:04.26 | aloo_shu | yep, top works like that. q to quit, man top to learn about it. |
| 03:06.32 | nirux | I've used top before. I like htop more. |
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| 03:07.00 | aloo_shu | mobile thethering, like me. I'd be tempted to blame that. mobile operators do strange things, routing different types of traffic to different ip's giving them differnt QoS (Quality of Service). It could be the combination of the two, deb 9.1 doing some thing that arch doesn't |
| 03:07.55 | aloo_shu | sorry if I'm merely assisting in guessing, if anyone knows better, join in |
| 03:08.47 | aloo_shu | but a dual boot setup would be a practical solution, if you are not very short of HD space |
| 03:09.40 | aloo_shu | I always have more than one linux partition in case I need one to fix the other. |
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| 03:21.43 | crucify_me | hi for the life of me I cannot get any configurations to hold in hexchat, like changing font size . (went into ~/.config/hexchat/hexchat.conf to attempt to change settings. its like it won't save. |
| 03:22.04 | crucify_me | they won't hold from the UI either. |
| 03:23.38 | aloo_shu | does your user have write permissions for the file/location? |
| 03:24.03 | crucify_me | its not requiring root aloo_shu |
| 03:24.31 | nirux | Tethering I use to be able to go online |
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| 03:24.46 | crucify_me | I save it in vim, then restart hexchat to no effect |
| 03:24.58 | Apteryx | Eh... Where is the 'kernel-package' package in Debian 9? It seems to be required to build the kernel the debian way. |
| 03:25.02 | crucify_me | nor does it work in the UI |
| 03:25.12 | Apteryx | *the GNU/Linux kernel |
| 03:25.30 | nirux | Apteryx, Download the Debian kernel package and install it? |
| 03:25.47 | crucify_me | should I , for one thing, delete the .xchat2 directory ? I couldn't install xchat on deb 9 |
| 03:25.55 | aloo_shu | crucify_me and if you open the conf in vim immediately after saving it, before opening hexchat? just to make sure.. |
| 03:26.33 | crucify_me | opening it immediately after? what do you mean? |
| 03:26.47 | Apteryx | nirux: hmm. I'm trying to build a custom kernel from sources. I'm not following? |
| 03:26.50 | crucify_me | It's open in normal mode |
| 03:27.05 | jmcnaught | !kernel handbook |
| 03:27.05 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
| 03:27.10 | jmcnaught | Apteryx: ^ |
| 03:28.00 | crucify_me | aloo_shu, I'm trying it with sudo one moment pls |
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| 03:28.07 | aloo_shu | crucify_me open in vim, save, quit vim, op0en in vim, and see if the changes hold that far at least |
| 03:28.20 | crucify_me | ok trying that thanks |
| 03:29.18 | Apteryx | jmcnaught: thanks for pointing me there. I guess this will make a difference: sudo apt build-dep linux |
| 03:29.25 | aloo_shu | there's more than 1 thing can go wrong w/ perms |
| 03:30.31 | jmcnaught | crucify_me: don't use sudo to edit user config files |
| 03:30.59 | crucify_me | jmcnaught, |
| 03:31.05 | crucify_me | oh just did oops |
| 03:31.47 | crucify_me | it did hold, now I would have to close my only chat app to see if it worked..? |
| 03:31.58 | crucify_me | the edit did hold |
| 03:32.50 | jmcnaught | that doesn't make any sense. did you make it so that root owned the file, or set it to read only? |
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| 03:33.37 | crucify_me | without closing hexchat, I went to the user preferences, the edit does not reflect there. no jmcnaught I never bother with ownership et al |
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| 03:34.52 | crucify_me | nothing in user preferences in the UI regarding font and setting the freenode server, etc, sticks |
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| 03:35.39 | crucify_me | can I try to edit the config from this text box with '/' commands? |
| 03:36.05 | aloo_shu | no |
| 03:36.05 | jmcnaught | crucify_me: then look at the permissions and ownership of the file with 'ls -l ~/.config/hexchat/hexchat.conf' |
| 03:36.07 | crucify_me | '/' I guess is only for nickserv stuff, right? |
| 03:36.19 | crucify_me | thanks one moment |
| 03:37.16 | crucify_me | jmcnaught, I have -rw------- |
| 03:37.44 | crucify_me | jmcnaught, I have -rw------- 1 john john << correction |
| 03:38.13 | aloo_shu | found it then |
| 03:38.28 | crucify_me | I know nothing about that stuff but I just upgraded to 9 yesterday and installed hexchat today |
| 03:38.46 | crucify_me | aloo_shu, suggestions? |
| 03:39.06 | crucify_me | do I need sudo, then restart hexchat? |
| 03:39.06 | aloo_shu | what's your username on your box |
| 03:39.23 | crucify_me | john |
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| 03:39.36 | jmcnaught | crucify_me: I don't use hexchat, but it's possible that it writes its configuration file every time it exits, so if you were editing it while it was running the changes may be lost when you restart |
| 03:39.38 | Apteryx | Will 'make deb-pkg' to build a kernel image uses multiple cores? It doesn't seem to stress my hardware much so far. |
| 03:40.01 | crucify_me | jmcnaught, isn't that absurd though? |
| 03:40.30 | jmcnaught | crucify_me: it's absurd to need to use sudo to edit a file in your $HOME, especially one that is owned by your user |
| 03:40.55 | crucify_me | I found irrssi difficult to configure, so I tossed it. I know sorry linux intimidates me. Im trying |
| 03:41.24 | crucify_me | what do you use jmcnaught |
| 03:41.30 | aloo_shu | jmcnaught it's not owned by his user, as the permissions show. would you kindly tell him how to chown it? |
| 03:41.40 | jmcnaught | crucify_me: no need to apologize, I'm just saying that sudo should have nothing to do with it. Becoming root to edit a file that you can already edit shouldn't change anything. |
| 03:42.09 | Apteryx | I'm trying 'make -j deb-pkg', should build faster now ;) |
| 03:42.41 | jmcnaught | aloo_shu: what do you mean? '-rw-------' means read and write by owner |
| 03:43.02 | jmcnaught | Apteryx: I don't build my own kernels. 4.11 is in stretch-backports by the way |
| 03:43.27 | crucify_me | well anyway when I cat hexchat.conf the edit has held |
| 03:43.41 | Apteryx | jmcnaught: I'm building 4.14 wip with latest amdgpu commits. |
| 03:44.05 | crucify_me | frustrating, jmcnaught should I use an easier chat client? wish limechat was written for linux |
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| 03:44.17 | aloo_shu | jmcnaught sorry, true |
| 03:44.20 | jmcnaught | crucify_me: try editing it again without sudo, and see if the changes hold. What editor are you using? |
| 03:44.23 | Apteryx | jmcnaught: I'm having strange CAFEDEAD ring 0 test failure error with amdgpu on one system (work on another one), so I figured I should try latest kernel to see if anything changed. |
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| 03:44.29 | crucify_me | vim |
| 03:45.13 | crucify_me | trying it with geany |
| 03:45.19 | jmcnaught | crucify_me: and you use ':w' to save the file in vim? vim will warn you if it can't write to the file |
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| 03:45.42 | crucify_me | yes :w as far as I can see its saving |
| 03:46.27 | jmcnaught | crucify_me: I would try it again then, without sudo. Just add a comment, save the file, then look for your comment in the file |
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| 03:47.18 | crucify_me | yeah it held maybe I need to restart hexchat |
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| 03:47.40 | jmcnaught | crucify_me: after restarting hexchat see if your changes are still there |
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| 03:47.58 | crucify_me | thanks kindly jmcnaught aloo_shu more drama later. getting kicked out of cafe thanks! |
| 03:48.17 | jmcnaught | crucify_me: have a good night then ⺠|
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| 03:49.22 | crucify_me | dang didn't work jmcnaught gotta try tomorrow peace out |
| 03:50.38 | Apteryx | Ouch, make -j was a bit much (system froze, then gcc segfaulted, probably running out of memory) |
| 03:50.41 | aloo_shu | ccrucify_me thanx for the mention |
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| 04:09.01 | Apteryx | jmcnaught: Kernel compiled and installed :) Going to reboot that machine and try it out! |
| 04:09.05 | Apteryx | Thanks for your help :) |
| 04:10.07 | jmcnaught | Apteryx: no problem, I really just knew about that guide. glad you figured it out ⺠|
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| 04:11.56 | Apteryx | It's very well written |
| 04:12.28 | Apteryx | And the best part... is that it boots fine and video works! |
| 04:12.38 | Apteryx | Have to comment on that bug... |
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| 05:15.16 | Yaser_Amiri | Hi guys! I want to hotplug an interface ( I'm using network manager)! how can I do it? |
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| 05:59.27 | veek | is there a way to run the installer like an app and install onto a partition |
| 05:59.51 | veek | and then put the bootloader/grub onto the usb mbr of the partition |
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| 06:31.15 | AciD` | hey guys |
| 06:31.38 | AciD` | I keep getting more and more 'ata2.00: failed command: WRITE FPDMA QUEUED' error message in syslog |
| 06:31.42 | AciD` | on my / partition |
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| 06:32.14 | AciD` | What would be the best practice to copy my current / to another disk? |
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| 06:32.48 | AciD` | live usb + `cp -a /mnt/rootDebian /mnt/newRootDebian` |
| 06:33.05 | AciD` | then somehow generate the UUID for the new root and change the fstab manually? |
| 06:33.36 | AciD` | update-grub and lastly, modify the bios in order to boot on the new disk? |
| 06:33.41 | AciD` | did I miss something? |
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| 06:44.45 | veek | AciD`, ddrescue |
| 06:45.15 | veek | check all the options it has.. you don't want to poll initially |
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| 06:51.59 | AciD` | veek -> would that allow me to transfer my current 20GB / part to a new 25GB one? |
| 06:52.36 | veek | it will create an image of your existing partition to the best of it's ability |
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| 07:14.37 | Marethyu | Hi all. I'm using Debian 9 Stretch and I installed bumblebee with the nouveau driver (by installing the packages bumblebee + primus). I've got an error when trying to use optirun : https://pastebin.com/DM2UZwSH saying that my mouse doesn't exist. Could someone help me, please ? |
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| 07:15.06 | Marethyu | I also read some guy on github saying that nouveau is no longer supported by bumblebee. Is that true ? |
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| 07:24.35 | shtrb | anyone with an IPhone had success with interacting with debian over Airdrop ? |
| 07:25.33 | veek | what do you copy to /target/usr/bin for emulating amd64 under i386 on debian |
| 07:25.51 | veek | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.09 | veek | bash: /bin/ls: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error setup_frame: not implemented |
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| 07:26.38 | shtrb | veek , don't you wish to run the i386 version for 32bit ? |
| 07:27.17 | veek | shtrb, nope other way.. i'm on i386 and want to install/stream amd64 to a usb parition |
| 07:28.02 | veek | SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u3 (2017-08-06) i686 is what i'm running now |
| 07:29.13 | shtrb | I think you need to install multiarch and glibc:amd64 but I don't understand how it could work |
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| 07:30.20 | shtrb | veek - wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 07:30.22 | kj4 | hello all |
| 07:31.00 | shtrb | isn't that nice , debain wiki links to ubuntu wiki |
| 07:31.24 | veek | multiarch is extending the existing amd64 to support i386 binaries.. |
| 07:31.47 | veek | wine for example is mostly 32bit so |
| 07:32.46 | shtrb | yes , it was a guess but I assume you will need libc and others so it would be easier to install that way (instead copying files from different directly to /usr/) |
| 07:33.48 | veek | i installed the amd64 base pkgs into /mnt/debinst and i now need to chroot and run stuff in there |
| 07:34.03 | veek | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en |
| 07:34.08 | veek | debootstrap |
| 07:34.45 | shtrb | wait , I think I have found something try passing --no-kvm to qemu |
| 07:35.21 | veek | ah yeah heh |
| 07:35.32 | shtrb | did it work ? |
| 07:35.47 | veek | i've been googling too.. how though? this is the cmd LANG=C.UTF-8 chroot /mnt/debinst qemu-ARCH-static /bin/bash |
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| 07:36.07 | veek | i've changed qemu-ARCH to x86 |
| 07:36.40 | veek | not sure how chroot reds that static file?? |
| 07:36.45 | veek | err reads |
| 07:38.25 | veek | https://hblok.net/blog/posts/2014/02/06/chroot-to-arm/ |
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| 07:48.28 | veek | wonder how he generates that \x hex string |
| 07:48.42 | veek | od ? |
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| 07:52.58 | cha18 | how do i run a php script? can't figure out how to install dokuwiki... |
| 07:53.18 | veek | php fname? |
| 07:53.50 | veek | generally it's invoked via apache |
| 07:53.54 | shtrb | cha18 php -f filename |
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| 07:56.29 | Meerkat | If I want to use xscreensaver instead of light-locker do I remove light-locker? |
| 07:58.06 | veek | or just don't start it |
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| 07:58.27 | veek | but that'll involve hunting around |
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| 07:58.42 | Meerkat | better to remove it then? |
| 07:59.24 | veek | no idea what that is exactly so.. but yeah.. |
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| 08:02.49 | Meerkat | All right! That worked. Now I'm not interrupted by this bug anymore https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=868087 |
| 08:02.50 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/868087 in light-locker (open): «light-locker: Locking screen with light-locker crashes system to blinking cursor»; severity: important; opened: 2017-07-11; last modified: 2017-07-11. |
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| 09:05.20 | JCaesar | I have a question about the reproducible builds effort: In short: will a build that has a STRING(TIMESTAMP C4COPYRIGHT_YEAR "%Y") in its cmake file (and later puts that C4COPYRIGHT_YEAR variable into a header that is included everywhere) be reproducible? |
| 09:06.23 | JCaesar | The background info is that we received a change request from pkern http://bugs.openclonk.org/view.php?id=1928 but the patch doesn't apply anymore because of https://git.openclonk.org/openclonk.git/commitdiff/8fef67378d193e7d116c61b4b359a8788388d6fa and I'm wondering whether it's even still necessary. |
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| 09:10.42 | JCaesar | (I hope I'm asking this in the right place.) |
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| 09:14.07 | darksifer | Hi everyone. I am using samba as Domain Controller. Everything works but I cannot deploy printers using the Print Management from Administrative Tools. I get the error "failed to query for the list of group policy objects linked to this container." It worked only once. No changes were made. I have been looking for a solution since yesterday. Kindly help please. Thank you |
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| 09:19.16 | pragomer | when trying to install "grub-customizer" I get error message from gdebi: |
| 09:19.26 | pragomer | Dependency is not satisfiable: libssl1.0.0 |
| 09:19.39 | pragomer | can I simply download and install this from online? |
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| 09:20.04 | jelly | what is a "grub-customizer" |
| 09:20.11 | tomreyn | pragomer: you could. you could also point a gun at your foot and pull the trigger. |
| 09:20.29 | tomreyn | i.e. you shouldnt |
| 09:20.54 | pragomer | for security reasons. understand. so would you have a solution for me? |
| 09:21.21 | tomreyn | that depends |
| 09:21.24 | tomreyn | what is a "grub-customizer" |
| 09:21.46 | pragomer | https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GRUB_Customizer/ |
| 09:22.10 | pragomer | I already tried to do setting manually but did not have much sucess. |
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| 09:22.18 | pragomer | I think grub2 is very hard to configure. |
| 09:22.40 | shtrb | pragomer , wrong channel |
| 09:22.41 | pragomer | just want to edit these entries Windows Loader on /dev/sda bla bla.. and so on into e.g. "Windows |
| 09:22.43 | tomreyn | this is an ubuntu PPa |
| 09:22.56 | shtrb | use vim to edit the conf and that it |
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| 09:23.08 | pragomer | I am on the right channel as I use debian for years now and just want a solution for customizing grub |
| 09:23.09 | jelly | pragomer: ideally you'd build the software from sources |
| 09:23.39 | jelly | pragomer: if there's a repo, you might try doing a |
| 09:23.41 | pragomer | I thought about building it and creating a deb file. but wouldnt I have the same dependency problem while building? |
| 09:23.42 | tomreyn | pragomer: don't use ubuntu packages on debian, though, especially not from incompatible releases. |
| 09:23.43 | jelly | !package rebuild |
| 09:23.43 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
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| 09:24.23 | jelly | pragomer: no. You might have a different dependency problem while building, but not the exact same one |
| 09:24.52 | tomreyn | pragomer: your time would best be spendt on understanding grub. it's not as hard as it may seem at first, and folks around here could assist. |
| 09:25.33 | shtrb | pragomer : just edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 09:26.58 | tomreyn | shtrb: this file will get overwritten, it'd be better to edit the files it gets generated from IMO |
| 09:27.13 | shtrb | I know that why I said it will be erased next upgrade |
| 09:27.40 | shtrb | os-prober will erase create the same content each time |
| 09:27.48 | tomreyn | hmm i dont see you saying that before. |
| 09:27.58 | shtrb | oops |
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| 09:28.14 | pragomer | but isnt grub.cfg overwritten when doing update-grub ? |
| 09:28.42 | shtrb | it does , os-probe will read your disk and see Windows blabla on disk X |
| 09:29.10 | tomreyn | pragomer: yes, so the windows chaninloading configuration (which is what you would like to edit) is automatically generated upon update-grub by calling os-prober. |
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| 09:29.37 | shtrb | but because os-probe will get the same result next time it will erase what ever data you do |
| 09:29.43 | shtrb | unless you edit os-probe |
| 09:30.41 | tomreyn | pragomer: if you make a copy of this chainload configuration, uninstall os-prober (so there will be no more windows lines in grub), then add the chainloading stuff for windows manuall in /etc/grub.d/40_custom and customize it to your needs, then i think you'll have achieved what you wante3d. |
| 09:30.41 | shtrb | os-prober is just a script |
| 09:31.15 | jelly | /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober doesn't really look easy to customize |
| 09:31.49 | Xenogenesis | Customize it with root perms |
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| 09:34.10 | pragomer | it really isnt easy to customize |
| 09:34.19 | Xenogenesis | Why? |
| 09:34.32 | tomreyn | pragomer: instead of editing /etc/grub.d/40_custom - which is a bit complicated, too, since you would need to write a script that generates a grub menuentry, not just the menuentry itself, you could choose this option instead, making it really easy: just copy the windows menuentry from your current /boot/grub/grub.cfg to /boot/grub/custom.cfg , modify it to your needs and uninstall osprober. |
| 09:35.16 | tomreyn | * os-prober |
| 09:35.32 | pragomer | but I want also to change the linux entry |
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| 09:35.47 | pragomer | so I can also remove 10_linux then? |
| 09:35.58 | pragomer | (after I copied it to custom) ? |
| 09:36.30 | pragomer | omg.. you see.. it isnt really easy :-) |
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| 09:38.13 | tomreyn | pragomer: it's not easy since you didn't specify the full set of changes you'd like to accomplish ;) |
| 09:38.40 | tomreyn | pragomer: why do you need to edit this stuff anyways, if you dont mind asking? |
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| 09:39.14 | pragomer | ok. Setting bigger font (framebuffer things etc.), customize colors and etries of menu and setting a background. thats it ;-) |
| 09:39.59 | tomreyn | for the grub menu or for when the kernels boot? |
| 09:40.11 | pragomer | so I really think a little gui tool for this would be great for everybody, not just for beginners. |
| 09:40.16 | pragomer | grub menu |
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| 09:41.39 | pragomer | so what would be the better and more right way: editing the scripts under /etc/grub.d/ OR editing grub.cfg ? |
| 09:41.43 | tomreyn | hmm i really think you should try to understand how the files in /etc/grub.d/ work then, since it's not that difficult to understand. |
| 09:42.03 | tomreyn | editing grub.cfg is definitely wrong, it wont persist |
| 09:42.42 | pragomer | ok so my entry for windows is "Windows Boot Manager on /dev/sda1" |
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| 09:43.12 | tomreyn | are you into shell scripting? bash scripts? |
| 09:43.35 | Xenogenesis | I am \o/ |
| 09:43.41 | Xenogenesis | But only c :/ |
| 09:43.42 | pragomer | when opening 30_os-prober what do I have to change: https://pastebin.com/6k3RNfJU |
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| 09:44.47 | drooly | I want to connect an internal hard drive in my homeserver to my desktop, both hang on the same router, both run linux (debian on the server, archlinux on the client). |
| 09:44.58 | drooly | What is the best software for this? |
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| 09:47.39 | tomreyn | drooly: "mount" |
| 09:48.25 | tomreyn | are you saying you want to make contents of the homeserver HDD available on the network? |
| 09:48.34 | drooly | yes. |
| 09:48.42 | tomreyn | what kind of content? |
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| 09:48.50 | drooly | media, html. |
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| 09:49.01 | tomreyn | so data stored on a file system, i assume? |
| 09:49.11 | drooly | erm, yes. |
| 09:49.35 | jolt | drooly: I would use nfs whenver linux is involved. |
| 09:50.10 | jolt | drooly: Like this: https://www.vultr.com/docs/setup-nfs-share-on-debian |
| 09:50.21 | drooly | ok, is it safe to use it without encryption, can i make it safe so it is absolutely not touchable by the outside world? that server does serve the world, too. |
| 09:50.28 | tomreyn | drooly: you can choose between sftp, sshfs, nfs, samba, webdav and a couple other protocols |
| 09:50.47 | tomreyn | * ftp also |
| 09:50.51 | drooly | actually i'd been using sshfs for a long time and wanted to get away from it. |
| 09:50.56 | jolt | drooly: That's why you have firewalls! Just allow the ports for NFS from your client IP/network interface |
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| 09:51.00 | drooly | isn't samba a windows thing? |
| 09:51.07 | jolt | drooly: Originally |
| 09:51.20 | jolt | But now it's really cifs |
| 09:51.38 | drooly | so samba is opensource? and "not bloated" (admittedly vague term) |
| 09:52.01 | tomreyn | better use nfs |
| 09:52.05 | jolt | drooly: It's very open source. The guy behind rsync originally did it to connec to windows machines |
| 09:52.22 | drooly | jolt: that sounds cool, i'll keep it in mind. |
| 09:52.23 | jolt | drooly: but not it's the defacto standard for file sharing between different os'es |
| 09:52.51 | jolt | drooly: All NAS'es out there are all running samba/cifs |
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| 09:53.23 | drooly | i'd been trying with nfs today, but either can't find a proper tutorial, or something else is wrong... i'm trying to use nfs v4 without encrypt (=kerberos), possible? |
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| 09:54.03 | jolt | drooly: If you don't need kerb, then run v3 |
| 09:54.14 | drooly | ah. |
| 09:54.21 | jolt | drooly: The tutorial I linked should do the trick |
| 09:54.37 | drooly | yes, i'll look at it. |
| 09:54.45 | jolt | drooly: get it to work first, then look into enhancing |
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| 09:55.18 | drooly | so it's not discouraged to not use kerberos in my usage scenario? |
| 09:56.22 | tomreyn | you can use kerberos, it's just complex to configure and maintain |
| 09:56.32 | drooly | the vultr tutorial is very short and does not differentiate between nfs v4 and v3? how to achieve v3 without kerberos? |
| 09:57.15 | jolt | drooly: vers=3 |
| 09:57.17 | jolt | in the options |
| 09:57.39 | jolt | (in the mount options that is) |
| 09:58.00 | jolt | drooly: I think v4 will work just fine as long as you do the basic config per the arcticle |
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| 09:59.19 | tomreyn | i think so, too |
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| 09:59.25 | tomreyn | no need for vers=3 |
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| 10:01.53 | drooly | hmm, ok, will try again. about firewall/router: which ports do i need to open, and which protocols? sorry to ask, there seems to be some differences between versions, and i have not (yet) found the relevant article (debian wiki nfs from 2009). |
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| 10:03.16 | tomreyn | drooly: do you have a firewall running between those two systems? are they on different networks? |
| 10:05.00 | tomreyn | put easier: do homeserver's and desktop's IP(v4) addresses only differ behind the last dot? |
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| 10:06.20 | jolt | drooly: tcp/udp --dports 10053,111,2049,32769,875,892 |
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| 10:09.02 | drooly | jolt: both machines run ufw, and the router has port forwarding but i'm 99% sure that only applies to external requests. |
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| 10:09.34 | drooly | i guess you quoted iptables syntax, i'll just try with these ports opened on both sides for in- and out |
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| 10:13.45 | drooly | jolt & tomreyn: i forgot to mention i'm running oldstable, i.e. jessie on my server. |
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| 10:14.06 | jolt | drooly: Doesn't matter, it has been the same for the past 30 years :) |
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| 10:15.28 | tomreyn | drooly: you'd best first understand what your network architecture is before reconfiguring your firewall. |
| 10:17.09 | Xenogenesis | ok so i'm having the problem with my key again. I was told "there is no official key for the following key id ED05F7B2EC3C9224" after running "sudo apt-get update" |
| 10:17.46 | Xenogenesis | i can't find this key in any major keyservers |
| 10:17.48 | tomreyn | nbo *official* key? is there an inoffocial key then? |
| 10:18.00 | Xenogenesis | i think so |
| 10:18.10 | Xenogenesis | but how can i get rid of it? |
| 10:18.25 | tomreyn | i think you just misquoted the message that was displayed on screen |
| 10:18.38 | Xenogenesis | i didn't |
| 10:18.48 | Xenogenesis | the key id is right |
| 10:18.56 | Xenogenesis | but i translated the rest to english |
| 10:19.06 | Xenogenesis | so it might not be the exact message |
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| 10:19.25 | tomreyn | "There is no public key available for the following key IDs:" would be the default english language string printed there |
| 10:19.48 | Xenogenesis | but idc about the string right now |
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| 10:20.00 | Xenogenesis | i need to fix the key somehow |
| 10:20.03 | tomreyn | the apt repository which is signed with this key should provide you with the signing key |
| 10:20.19 | tomreyn | or rather its maintainers should |
| 10:20.42 | Xenogenesis | how can i find out which repo it is and where are the keyservers for it? |
| 10:21.19 | tomreyn | the line before or after that line should say which repository this message refers to |
| 10:21.45 | Xenogenesis | Ign https://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de parrot/non-free Translation-en |
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| 10:22.21 | tomreyn | yes, could be that |
| 10:22.44 | Xenogenesis | but i can't find it as keyserver |
| 10:24.01 | tomreyn | you could "contact our support staff" https://www.parrotsec.org/features.fx |
| 10:25.00 | Xenogenesis | what if i change the repo? |
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| 10:25.15 | tomreyn | change? how? |
| 10:26.11 | Xenogenesis | by editing the sources |
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| 10:27.39 | tomreyn | sure, you could remove this repositry and thus prevent packages you installed from there to get (security?) updates. this would prevent the warnings from showing. |
| 10:28.13 | vktec | I regularly get 100% disk usage from logs. The culprit is sslh, but none of its logging options seem to be changing anything. I'm suspecting it's outputting logs on stdout or stderr and systemd is capturing that and sending it to syslog. Is there a way I can stop systemd from capturing std{out,err}? (preferably without modifying the service file, since that could get overwritten during upgrades) |
| 10:28.39 | tomreyn | Xenogenesis: if you don't need the packages you installed form there i'd suggest you both remove those packages and remove that repository. |
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| 10:30.31 | tomreyn | vktec: what is sslh and what is it that it i s logging so much? |
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| 10:31.36 | tomreyn | okay i just learnt about sslh |
| 10:32.17 | tomreyn | i'd just try to understand why it's logging so much, though, and try to reduce that. |
| 10:32.59 | tomreyn | maybe it's a bug in sslh? |
| 10:33.49 | vktec | I've tried changing the logging options to no avail |
| 10:34.38 | vktec | I think the logging options change sslh's output to syslog when in daemon mode, but not its output to std{out,err} when in foreground mode (which is what the included service file runs it in) |
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| 10:39.11 | tomreyn | sorry i can't personally help there since i don't actually know the software. |
| 10:40.22 | vktec | Maybe I'll just make an alternate service file |
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| 10:40.41 | vktec | But first, time to rm some logs! :P |
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| 10:44.34 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
| 10:44.44 | ychaouche | anyone knows what's reading /etc/aliases.db ? |
| 10:48.59 | sonOfRa | ychaouche: mail servers may read it |
| 10:49.29 | ychaouche | I restarted my mail server but it seems it is still reading from and old cache or something |
| 10:49.50 | ychaouche | Basically I changed my machine name from A to B, but I still get mail from / to root@A |
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| 10:49.57 | ychaouche | the old name |
| 10:50.04 | ychaouche | (or old alias I guess) |
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| 10:50.10 | Alexbleks | We live in a society where pizza gets to your house before the police..... |
| 10:50.39 | tomreyn | did you order both at the same time and checked which one arrives first? |
| 10:52.16 | tomreyn | ychaouche: if you run postfix, run postalias to refresh the /etc/aliases.db database. |
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| 10:52.35 | ychaouche | tomreyn: oh thanks |
| 10:52.39 | ychaouche | I was running postmap |
| 10:53.24 | tomreyn | welcome |
| 10:53.56 | ychaouche | still old name used. |
| 10:53.59 | ychaouche | restarts postfix |
| 10:54.45 | ychaouche | same :( |
| 10:55.00 | ychaouche | tries a postfix reload |
| 10:55.31 | ychaouche | still same |
| 10:55.45 | tomreyn | force-reload. but actually postfix would do all of this byitself nowadays. you may have old (deferred?) mail in the mail spool |
| 10:56.03 | tomreyn | run postqueue |
| 10:57.09 | ychaouche | tomreyn: no I'm actually testing by sending mail as root from the command line with the mail command |
| 10:57.26 | ychaouche | oh... maybe the mail command is reading from another file ? |
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| 10:59.08 | ychaouche | what's /etc/mailname doing there ? |
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| 11:01.30 | tomreyn | maybe you should start by learning the very basic operation and configuration of your mail server |
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| 11:02.31 | ychaouche | thanks tomreyn |
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| 11:12.51 | Xenogenesis | tomreyn, there were no packages |
| 11:12.56 | Xenogenesis | i did an update |
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| 11:19.20 | tomreyn | Xenogenesis: i do not understand the message you are trying to convey with these two statements. condiser providing more context. |
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| 11:19.31 | tomreyn | *consider |
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| 12:11.09 | dontknow | i am not sure about truecrypt though |
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| 12:59.25 | guardian | hello. I have a question about etckeeper. I was using it happily until I noticed systemd .service files are not stored in /etc. What's in /etc are just symlink. As such etckeepr doesn't track changes in there |
| 12:59.35 | guardian | is there something to do about it? |
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| 13:04.10 | Epakai | guardian: use supplemental directories for modifications, see https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/System_Administrators_Guide/sect-Managing_Services_with_systemd-Unit_Files.html#sect-Managing_Services_with_systemd-Unit_File_Modify |
| 13:05.00 | moonlight | excuse me, is there a channel to discuss about kali linux, or can i do it here? |
| 13:05.10 | abrotman | moonlight: they have their own channel |
| 13:05.28 | moonlight | dunno which is it |
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| 13:06.02 | abrotman | dpkg: tell moonlight about kali |
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| 13:06.40 | moonlight | thx |
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| 13:31.28 | McErroneous | Hi, i am looking for an "download-time"-calculator , is there such in the debian repository ? |
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| 13:35.20 | e2 | it is in repro |
| 13:35.30 | e2 | calulator |
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| 13:37.31 | tomreyn | McErroneous: do you mean a software which calculates an estimated download duration based on available bandwidth? |
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| 13:54.52 | McErroneous | tomreyn: Yes.. |
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| 14:06.21 | abrotman | McErroneous: there are plenty of download managers that do that, as do many browsers |
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| 14:17.12 | tomreyn | McErroneous: you could use a web service like this http://www.download-time.com/ ... or write a simple shell script which does the same |
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| 14:18.43 | abrotman | I'm still not entirely sure what he's trying to calculate |
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| 14:22.22 | tomreyn | theoretical file transfer time based on line speed / available bandwidth, TCP overhead and file size, i guess |
| 14:22.32 | tomreyn | http://downloadtimecalculator.com/ is another such calculator. |
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| 14:24.08 | abrotman | or is he asking to estimate current downloads? |
| 14:24.22 | abrotman | or just a straight "speedtest" like ookla |
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| 14:24.40 | McErroneous | abrotman: Do you have an free example for a "download manager" that would calculate "download-time" ? |
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| 14:25.16 | abrotman | McErroneous: Could you describe what you're actually looking for? |
| 14:25.37 | abrotman | I mean, even the download managers in FF and Chromium have an ETD |
| 14:25.45 | McErroneous | abrotman: dont make thing complicated, you got my point .... |
| 14:26.41 | McErroneous | tomreyn abrotman : I am not looking for an online service |
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| 14:27.22 | McErroneous | just want to calculate the time requiered for a file to download at X-Speed.. |
| 14:27.36 | abrotman | a calculator? |
| 14:28.12 | abrotman | no joke ... https://www.google.com/search?q=10GB%2F100Mbps |
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| 14:34.36 | McErroneous | abrotman: , okay, that was not what i was looking for, but your hint got me to just calculate it myself and compare the result with google results..., thx so far.. |
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| 14:35.53 | abrotman | McErroneous: I thought you were after a download manager that would show you the ETD |
| 14:35.58 | abrotman | (as an active calculation) |
| 14:37.27 | shtrb | tomreyn , it sound like a homework task |
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| 14:43.01 | HyP3r | Hey ho, as I talked already yesterday evening xrdp and x11vnc are not working on my Debian Stretch machine. Now I troubleshooted the logs and found this: |
| 14:43.22 | HyP3r | https://pastebin.com/5JB1SWzm |
| 14:43.39 | e2 | fatal error |
| 14:43.41 | HyP3r | I'm working now with linux more than 10 years and what the heck is org.a11y.atspi.Registry |
| 14:44.05 | HyP3r | The At-Spi2 Core package is a part of the GNOME Accessibility Project. It provides a Service Provider Interface for the Assistive Technologies available on the GNOME platform and a library against which applications can be linked. |
| 14:44.21 | tomreyn | shtrb: yes, could be. |
| 14:44.23 | HyP3r | Well yes... a server project (debian) needs a fucking Accessibility Project |
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| 14:45.00 | HyP3r | The funny thing: I can't unisntall it because it has a hard dependency to gnome and I can't disable it because gnome is crashing when its not executable o.O |
| 14:45.23 | Apteryx | Good morning! I'd like to reconfigure grub to use an older but customized kernel I just built. How do I do that? |
| 14:48.08 | Apteryx | Oh, I think the problem is that the kernel was *already* in grub. It got updated in-place since it's the same version. |
| 14:48.20 | Apteryx | So I should be able to boot it by selecting the older entry. |
| 14:50.17 | Apteryx | My next question is: what is the best way to use a newer kernel in Debian 9 (stable)? I don't want to have to apply security patches and recompile manually. Can I enable some repo for that? |
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| 14:50.38 | themill | HyP3r: debian is not a server project. If you're installing gnome, you're not installing a server. |
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| 14:54.03 | HyP3r | themill: and what if my server needs a graphical interface (xorg) for rendering something? |
| 14:54.30 | themill | why would a server need xorg and why would it need gnome? |
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| 14:56.04 | themill | (I'd prefer to address your actual support problem but I can't find it in between your hyperbole and attempts to assert clue(lessness)) |
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| 14:56.16 | apollo13 | HyP3r: leaving all that aside, if you choose gnome you will get assistive technologies, imo that is a good thing -- that said for xvnc and what not you probably want something else like xfce maybe? |
| 14:57.10 | apollo13 | or even something simpler, not sure why you'd want something like gnome which in my experience doesn't work that well over vnc anyways |
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| 15:08.23 | VladimirTrump | anyone uses irssi ? |
| 15:08.34 | Apteryx | I used to. Now I'm on weechat. |
| 15:08.37 | VladimirTrump | I don't want my scrollback do be trunkated at all, so I set "scrollback_lines = 0", now should I set also "scrollback_time" to anything or what ? |
| 15:08.55 | VladimirTrump | I mean are those 2 options depend on each other ? |
| 15:09.05 | Apteryx | I have no idea, sorry :/ |
| 15:09.20 | Apteryx | Is it not explained in the doc? |
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| 15:09.44 | VladimirTrump | "explained in the doc", its explained, but its explained by hackers for hackers |
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| 15:09.52 | VladimirTrump | I mean short and shallow |
| 15:10.04 | VladimirTrump | simple words and short phrases |
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| 15:10.47 | VladimirTrump | I think requirements to understand irssi documentation is first you need to read its source code and understand it |
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| 15:11.32 | Apteryx | VladimirTrump: OK. I had a quick look here: https://irssi.org/documentation/settings/ |
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| 15:12.40 | Apteryx | It seems that scrollback_lines = 0 is what you want, I agree scrollback_time is not very clear. |
| 15:13.07 | VladimirTrump | yes, I know how scrollback_lines = 0 works, I want to know how they both depent on each other |
| 15:13.13 | Apteryx | You could try asking the irssi folks in #irssi channel. |
| 15:13.30 | VladimirTrump | I spent last 20 minutes doing so, and then came here |
| 15:13.36 | Apteryx | Aha, OK. |
| 15:13.39 | VladimirTrump | they are silent |
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| 15:13.57 | VladimirTrump | or don't think its worth their time to explain it |
| 15:14.10 | Apteryx | Have you tried scrollback_time = 0 ? Might disable it (infinite history). |
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| 15:14.43 | VladimirTrump | yes I use it, but I want to know should I also do something with scrollback_time after that or not |
| 15:15.06 | Apteryx | But I think if you use scrollback_lines = 0 this setting doesn't make much sense. |
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| 15:15.50 | VladimirTrump | because I want to be sure, I may leave IRC client running for a month and when I come back I don't want to find out that all history is gone |
| 15:17.56 | Apteryx | The doc/code shows scrollback_time will be enabled even when using scrollback_lines = 0. |
| 15:19.03 | Apteryx | So you do have to set some valid value for it. I'm not sure there's a way to have infinite history with irssi other than setting scrollback_lines = 0 *and* a huge value for scrollback_time, such as 999999year |
| 15:19.20 | Apteryx | if this is a valid value (not sure ;) |
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| 15:21.25 | Apteryx | I saw at least one config showing scrollback_time = 0. That may be the way. |
| 15:21.31 | Apteryx | See: https://bitbucket.org/snippets/dwfreed/byx9/v3ritas-irssi-config |
| 15:22.20 | Apteryx | So your best bet is this: scrollback_lines = 0 *and* scrollback_time = 0. |
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| 15:24.32 | abrotman | VladimirTrump: just use logging like everyone else? |
| 15:26.02 | Apteryx | abrotman: Good suggestion :) I think it was on by default using weechat. |
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| 15:32.36 | hexhaxtron | I want to hide processes from other users and I found this command to do it: |
| 15:32.37 | hexhaxtron | # mount -o remount,rw,hidepid=2 /proc |
| 15:32.39 | VladimirTrump | abrotman: I want read scrollback inside irssi with all colors and highlights, I know about logging |
| 15:32.53 | hexhaxtron | Will this cause any problem to users currently logged in? |
| 15:33.17 | VladimirTrump | why you want to hide them ? |
| 15:33.42 | hexhaxtron | VladimirTrump: privacy concerns. |
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| 15:34.15 | abrotman | Sounds like the users should have privacy concerns .. |
| 15:34.42 | hexhaxtron | abrotman: is it safe to run that command? |
| 15:35.07 | hexhaxtron | Without creating problems to users currently in the system? |
| 15:35.13 | abrotman | hexhaxtron: this seems like a "try it and see" |
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| 15:35.20 | hexhaxtron | I'll try. :) |
| 15:35.25 | abrotman | maybe try on a VM first |
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| 15:36.10 | hexhaxtron | Awesome! |
| 15:36.14 | hexhaxtron | No problems it seems. |
| 15:36.36 | SirLagz | why is my XFCE on Stretch opening some windows on the wrong monitor =/ |
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| 15:38.57 | SirLagz | or opening windows *under* other windows |
| 15:39.05 | SirLagz | window behaviour seems odd. |
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| 15:50.16 | HyP3r | apollo13: Ok I'll try XFCE |
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| 15:53.34 | HyP3r | https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce#Install_Xfce_in_an_already_installed_system this installation is like rambo at first I kill everyone which has the matching name and then do it my way :D |
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| 15:55.56 | a0z | hi, i'm having a problem with apt/dpkg. when i do "apt update" it says 1 package is upgradeable, but when i "apt upgrade" it says '0 upgraded' |
| 15:56.06 | a0z | i'm on unstable btw |
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| 15:57.40 | SirLagz | a0z: apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
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| 15:58.05 | a0z | SirLagz: same thing, says 0 upgraded |
| 15:58.28 | SirLagz | a0z: can you paste the output somewhere? |
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| 15:59.04 | a0z | ok, gimme a sec |
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| 16:00.38 | g0zzy | http://orig08.deviantart.net/3d84/f/2016/298/6/1/debian_stretch_wallpaper_by_takaju-dam73n8.png Can anyone please tell me what the actual filename of that image is in stretch? |
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| 16:01.03 | a0z | https://pastebin.com/8Z7HqSgV |
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| 16:03.07 | SirLagz | a0z: oh, you're using apt, not apt-get |
| 16:03.19 | SirLagz | oh wiat, never mind. you use apt-get at the end |
| 16:03.28 | SirLagz | a0z: interesting. Not sure then... |
| 16:03.49 | a0z | i have two systems running unstable, the other one is fine |
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| 16:05.11 | a0z | do you think i should install aptitude to see if that program can solve the problem? |
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| 16:06.18 | SirLagz | a0z: do you need to compile anything to do with the kernel right now? |
| 16:07.04 | HyP3r | apollo13: works pretty pretty good thanks |
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| 16:12.14 | a0z | SirLagz: i think the package was installed as a dependency when i installed virtualbox (this system is a laptop) |
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| 16:12.39 | SirLagz | a0z: well if you don't need it, it's not a problem...probably safe to ignore it not being updated. |
| 16:12.53 | a0z | ok, thanks |
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| 16:16.06 | VladimirTrump | when was last time crytical vulnerability been found in debian 9.0 ? |
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| 16:16.21 | VladimirTrump | also how many were found in debian 8.0 ? |
| 16:16.31 | petn-randall | !tracker of doom |
| 16:16.31 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 16:16.34 | VladimirTrump | for entire history of debian 8.0 |
| 16:16.49 | petn-randall | VladimirTrump: You can look it up in the tracker above. |
| 16:17.09 | VladimirTrump | thanks |
| 16:18.35 | petn-randall | VladimirTrump: Debian usually scores fairly high compared to other distros/Windows, because we have over 50,000 packages in stable. |
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| 16:18.53 | petn-randall | In absolute number of CVEs affecting Debian, that is. |
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| 16:28.03 | TaurusSilver | hello\ |
| 16:28.17 | TaurusSilver | Whats my ip? |
| 16:28.39 | abrotman | 192.168.1.1 |
| 16:28.47 | teraflops | !ping TaurusSilver |
| 16:28.47 | dpkg | tolls a 5-meter-bell over TaurusSilver's head |
| 16:28.50 | abrotman | TaurusSilver: /whois TaurusSilver |
| 16:28.50 | TaurusSilver | thats my gateway |
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| 16:29.24 | TaurusSilver | !ping TaurusSilver |
| 16:29.24 | dpkg | tolls a 5-meter-bell over TaurusSilver's head |
| 16:29.27 | a0z | 17:27 -!- TaurusSilver [~0minutes@172.58.140.176] has joined #debian |
| 16:29.28 | TaurusSilver | doesnt work |
| 16:29.33 | teraflops | TaurusSilver: seriously, do you think your question has sense? |
| 16:29.44 | abrotman | TaurusSilver: just whois yourself, WTF does this have to do wiht Debian? |
| 16:29.45 | TaurusSilver | see?Why are you asking that? |
| 16:29.53 | abrotman | TaurusSilver: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 16:29.57 | TaurusSilver | yes |
| 16:30.11 | abrotman | waits for a Debian question ... |
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| 16:30.51 | TaurusSilver | ... |
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| 16:31.40 | TaurusSilver | How does one use modprobe on debian |
| 16:31.46 | abrotman | TaurusSilver: man modprobe |
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| 16:32.23 | Henry151 | lol would modprobe even ever be used to find your own IP?!? |
| 16:32.34 | TaurusSilver | no |
| 16:32.40 | Henry151 | XD |
| 16:32.46 | TaurusSilver | why |
| 16:32.59 | teraflops | TaurusSilver: same as in any other linux distro, still waiting for a debian question⦠|
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| 16:33.24 | guardian` | does someone know which /etc/logrotate.d/nginx cares about /etc/logrotate.d/httpd? |
| 16:33.46 | TaurusSilver | no |
| 16:34.13 | abrotman | guardian`: the logrotate conf files shouldn't be concerned with other logrotate config files |
| 16:34.13 | teraflops | TaurusSilver: are you a bot? |
| 16:34.24 | TaurusSilver | no |
| 16:34.49 | teraflops | TaurusSilver: lala lele llili lulu? |
| 16:34.51 | TaurusSilver | no |
| 16:34.52 | jolt | Actually, the nginx-logrotate file does check if /etc/logrotate.d/httpd-prerotate exists |
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| 16:34.56 | teraflops | ok bot |
| 16:34.59 | TaurusSilver | no |
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| 16:35.06 | TaurusSilver | lmao jk |
| 16:35.39 | TaurusSilver | jokes aside i am human? |
| 16:35.58 | abrotman | TaurusSilver: Knock it off |
| 16:36.00 | jolt | guardian`: No idea why, haven't looked at it before. It checks if the dir httpd-prerotate exists, and if it does it runs that first. Never seen it |
| 16:36.04 | abrotman | TaurusSilver: this is a Debian support channel |
| 16:36.07 | Henry151 | I just looked at /etc/logrotate.conf and logrotate is interesting, I didn't know it existed |
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| 16:37.00 | jolt | Henry151: It's good, otherwise you would probably had full disks faster |
| 16:37.02 | TaurusSilver | is there a decent networkmanager for debian? |
| 16:37.07 | TaurusSilver | besides nmcli |
| 16:37.11 | abrotman | TaurusSilver: many, what are your requirements |
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| 16:37.37 | BluesKaj | a seudo-bot in Chicago |
| 16:37.47 | TaurusSilver | seudo-bot? |
| 16:37.52 | Henry151 | pseudo* |
| 16:38.10 | BluesKaj | oops pseudo |
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| 16:38.28 | TaurusSilver | why are you mentioning a pseudo bot? |
| 16:38.29 | Henry151 | can't forget that silent P |
| 16:38.54 | abrotman | TaurusSilver: If you want a social/chat channel, please try #debian-offtopic or ##chat |
| 16:38.54 | Henry151 | TaurusSilver: what desktop environment/window manager are you using? There is likely a recommended gui network manager available |
| 16:38.58 | BluesKaj | it was joke , just like yours |
| 16:39.10 | TaurusSilver | I am using GNOME 3 |
| 16:39.20 | TaurusSilver | as a desktop envirionment |
| 16:39.34 | abrotman | so why not use network-manager in Gnome3? |
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| 16:39.57 | Henry151 | TaurusSilver: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 16:40.02 | TaurusSilver | it crashes everytime i use a VPN |
| 16:40.17 | TaurusSilver | Segmentation fault |
| 16:40.18 | abrotman | There are sub-packages for nm-gnome that you may need to install |
| 16:40.19 | apollo13 | which VPN and be more specific with crash |
| 16:40.57 | shtrb | TaurusSilver , visit a service or build a web page that will show the client ip |
| 16:40.59 | TaurusSilver | FinchVPN << brand name of VPN |
| 16:41.15 | apollo13 | TaurusSilver: forgets brands, which technology is it using? |
| 16:41.17 | abrotman | TaurusSilver: using which subsystem? ipsec? cisco? do you know? |
| 16:41.24 | TaurusSilver | Openvpn |
| 16:41.47 | apollo13 | mhm, openvpn plugin usually works just fine -- please install the dbgsym packages and get a traceback |
| 16:41.53 | TaurusSilver | ok |
| 16:42.05 | abrotman | And you have the network-manager-openvpn-gnome installed? |
| 16:42.07 | teraflops | if it's a paid service I bet the offer support |
| 16:42.21 | shtrb | TaurusSilver , are you using cert based openvpn conf ? |
| 16:42.25 | apollo13 | teraflops: for a segfault in network-manager-openvpn? hardly :D |
| 16:42.26 | TaurusSilver | yes |
| 16:42.34 | shtrb | sometimes users forgot to convert windows to non windows format |
| 16:42.37 | shtrb | dos2unix |
| 16:42.55 | apollo13 | shtrb: the openvpn gui doesn't use the config file -- it uses it's own file |
| 16:42.55 | teraflops | apollo13: we dont know what TaurusSilver did |
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| 16:43.20 | shtrb | apollo13 , I assume he just droped a file (that how my users usually do ) |
| 16:43.21 | TaurusSilver | Should i do a fresh install again? |
| 16:43.34 | teraflops | TaurusSilver: nope |
| 16:43.39 | shtrb | did you use get a file and just used it in nm ? |
| 16:43.55 | teraflops | TaurusSilver: but describing your issue accurately should help |
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| 16:44.18 | BluesKaj | TaurusSilver, make sure the .ovpn and cert files are located in / etc/openvpn |
| 16:44.25 | apollo13 | shtrb: I do not see any way to import and openvpn file from the nm gui |
| 16:44.31 | apollo13 | ah down there |
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| 16:44.37 | TaurusSilver | ok |
| 16:44.54 | apollo13 | if he is using the gui /etc/openvpn will not be touched at all |
| 16:45.04 | apollo13 | network manager stores in dconf or so |
| 16:45.14 | apollo13 | or /etc/NetworkManager/* |
| 16:46.18 | BluesKaj | yeah, I forgot about that, because I don't use network-manager |
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| 16:46.59 | teraflops | NM applet has an import menu for openvpn |
| 16:47.18 | apollo13 | TaurusSilver: anyways, does the import of the config work or does it fail there already? |
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| 16:47.24 | apollo13 | or is it when you try to connect? |
| 16:47.32 | BluesKaj | TaurusSilver, ignore my suggestion :-) |
| 16:47.55 | TaurusSilver | ok |
| 16:47.55 | TaurusSilver | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.55 | TaurusSilver | anis l |
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| 16:48.10 | shtrb | what just happened ? |
| 16:48.18 | TaurusSilver | idk |
| 16:48.23 | apollo13 | you tried to paste something in here |
| 16:48.28 | apollo13 | do not do that, use a pastebin |
| 16:48.40 | TaurusSilver | i didnt paste anything |
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| 16:49.04 | apollo13 | well freenode kicked you for writing to much -- dunno what you actually did |
| 16:49.12 | agent905803423 | hallo dear community, i have a question about a script with openssl |
| 16:49.24 | TaurusSilver | what exactly did i paste? |
| 16:49.34 | apollo13 | I do not know, you got kicked before that |
| 16:49.39 | apollo13 | just saw: <TaurusSilver> /msg |
| 16:49.39 | apollo13 | <TaurusSilver> anis l |
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| 16:51.08 | TaurusSilver | what was that chat room you mentioned? |
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| 16:58.07 | epsilon | lilyterm user anyone? I run it in xfce4 and it's forgetting it's background/transparent window setting, always starting with trasparent window, and I can't fix it |
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| 17:03.37 | guardian` | re |
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| 17:04.43 | guardian` | abrotman, jolt: I'm sorry, I wanted to write "WHY" is /etc/logrotate.d/nginx concerned about /etc/logrotate.d/httpd-prerotate |
| 17:04.51 | guardian` | httpd means apache right? |
| 17:06.29 | jolt | guardian`: I have no idea. I was also surprised |
| 17:07.25 | guardian` | k |
| 17:07.26 | guardian` | :) |
| 17:07.40 | jolt | guardian`: Well, maybe you want to run awstats or whatever before you rotate your logs, then you could add that in /etc/logrotate.d/httpd-prerotate |
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| 17:07.45 | jolt | and it would do that for you |
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| 17:07.57 | jolt | Which seems nice regardless of which http software you use |
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| 17:08.14 | jolt | guardian`: So in this case I assume httpd means "any webserver" |
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| 17:09.39 | jmcnaught | that file actually belongs to the awstats package |
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| 17:13.50 | guardian` | k |
| 17:13.52 | guardian` | I see |
| 17:13.55 | guardian` | thanks for the answer, appreciated |
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| 17:15.24 | VladimirTrump | where is TaurusSilver gone ? |
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| 17:18.06 | BluesKaj | think he's at his vpn server support page |
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| 17:20.49 | VladimirTrump | that is how you deal with unwanted people here, just send them away ? |
| 17:21.02 | nix64bit | apollo13: hi |
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| 17:22.34 | BluesKaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.46 | shtrb | VladimirTrump who said he is unwanted ? |
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| 17:22.56 | VladimirTrump | I saw everything |
| 17:23.21 | BluesKaj | he was cooperative after being warned |
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| 17:25.25 | shtrb | I can't see a message saying he left the room |
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| 17:26.07 | shtrb | he is still here ... |
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| 17:27.43 | shtrb | anyone found a way to use airdrop against debian ? |
| 17:27.47 | shtrb | *have a way |
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| 17:38.51 | VladimirTrump | airdrop ? |
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| 17:39.03 | shtrb | yes |
| 17:39.29 | shtrb | Propierty protocol that resemble AdHoc with meth |
| 17:39.50 | a0z | from apple.com: With AirDrop, you can instantly share your photos, videos, locations, and more with other Apple devices nearby. |
| 17:39.59 | shtrb | yes |
| 17:41.31 | shtrb | VladimirTrump , think of beam but over WiFi and closed |
| 17:41.40 | shtrb | *Anrdoid Beam |
| 17:42.29 | abrotman | against, or with? |
| 17:42.33 | shtrb | with |
| 17:42.46 | shtrb | or against , one side an evil iphone the other a debian machine |
| 17:42.55 | abrotman | so you want to use file sharing with your other deivces? |
| 17:43.06 | abrotman | or specifically airdrop? |
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| 17:43.18 | shtrb | not just filesharing , I wish to specifically use AirDrop |
| 17:43.58 | aloo_shu | dances the jailhouse rock |
| 17:44.05 | shtrb | aloo_shu :D |
| 17:44.10 | aloo_shu | or call it walled garden |
| 17:44.33 | shtrb | I'm trying to throw a rope to the garden over the wall |
| 17:44.45 | Apteryx | What is the best option to use a newer kernel in Debian stable? |
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| 17:45.04 | Apteryx | Is there a repo that would maintain say 4.12 or 4.13 somewhere? |
| 17:45.06 | shtrb | Apteryx , backports ? |
| 17:45.20 | Apteryx | I tried 4.11 from backports... Didn't work with amdgpu (R9 285) :( |
| 17:45.28 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 17:45.30 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-2-686 (4.11.11-1+b1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.11.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.11.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: |
| 17:45.31 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2) |
| 17:45.54 | aloo_shu | shtrb as opposed to breaking the wall |
| 17:45.56 | Apteryx | 4.9 doesn't work too. The only one that works so far is 4.14-wip compiled by my own. |
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| 17:46.20 | Apteryx | But I want to remove myself from the maintenance equation ;) |
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| 17:46.33 | aloo_shu | but I can't help, keep trying |
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| 17:47.09 | shtrb | Apteryx , is that thing even supported ? |
| 17:47.35 | Apteryx | You mean 4.14-wip? It's not. It's just a work in progress branch by one of the AMD devs I think. |
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| 17:47.58 | Apteryx | And it happen to make my card R9 285 happy with the amdgpu driver (it gives me video! yay!) |
| 17:48.23 | Apteryx | Otherwise I get a black screen and GPU fails to init errors in dmesg (looked it up via SSH). |
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| 17:52.57 | VladimirTrump | Apteryx: why you choose AMD over Nvidia ? |
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| 17:53.15 | Apteryx | VladimirTrump: It has a bright future. Future is the keyword here. |
| 17:53.47 | VladimirTrump | feature |
| 17:54.34 | Apteryx | I hate proprietary nvidia drivers breaker the user experience, such as when the system starts it breaks the splash screen, sometimes virtual tty don't work, sometimes it will break on an update, etc. |
| 17:54.36 | VladimirTrump | Apteryx: is there AMD card as powerful as GTX 1080ti ? |
| 17:54.39 | Apteryx | *breaking |
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| 17:56.13 | Apteryx | I haven't followed the newest cards, but maybe Polaris would be something to look at. Vega is not out yet IIUC. |
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| 17:56.50 | Apteryx | The drivers are free software but they require proprietary blobs. Still, better than nvidia. |
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| 17:58.17 | catbehemoth | hi I am trying to join Ad following AuthenticatingLinuxWithActiveDirectory on the wiki, net ads join went fine, I modified nsswitch,conf to add winbind but getent passwd donest return domain users. Can anyone help? |
| 17:59.16 | shtrb | did you do kinit ? |
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| 18:00.17 | Apteryx | VladimirTrump: Apparently nothing as performant as a 1080ti at this time, but keep an eye on Vega. |
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| 18:00.45 | shtrb | catbehenoth , realm you kinit against is case sensitive against what you declared in krb |
| 18:00.54 | abrotman | driver-situatoin > performance IMO |
| 18:00.55 | catbehemoth | just did, still no AD users on getent shadow and id ADUser doesn't work either |
| 18:01.54 | shtrb | did you remember to start winbind / samba ? |
| 18:01.59 | catbehemoth | shtrb: I did kinit no arguments and it asked for Administrator@AD.DOMAIN (all caps) and I have it the same in krb5.conf |
| 18:02.12 | shtrb | if you run klist it show correctly ? |
| 18:02.12 | catbehemoth | shtrb: it is started wbinfo -u works |
| 18:02.27 | catbehemoth | but its getent passwd that only shows local users |
| 18:02.43 | jhutchins | catbehemoth: Check the AD server, see what it thinks is happening. |
| 18:03.03 | catbehemoth | I got winbind enum users = Yes in smb.conf |
| 18:03.05 | shtrb | make sure klist show you the cached session |
| 18:03.45 | shtrb | wait , are you really trying to init a connection as an admin ? |
| 18:04.09 | catbehemoth | the guide says to get initial ticket with admin |
| 18:04.45 | shtrb | your AD need to allow admin connections |
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| 18:05.09 | catbehemoth | in any case kinit ADUser also works and I get the tickcet (see it with klist) |
| 18:05.26 | shtrb | and getent is suppose to give you LOCAL info |
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| 18:05.53 | catbehemoth | only thing that doesnt seem to work is getent shadow, on arch and ubuntu I get AD users with getent as well |
| 18:06.35 | catbehemoth | I mean getent group etc |
| 18:06.52 | shtrb | catbehemoth , does the pam modules are listed in the same order ? |
| 18:06.56 | _rubik | Hey all. I'm having trouble getting this thumb drive to be writable. For whatever reason it's read only. |
| 18:07.25 | catbehemoth | shtrb: let me check |
| 18:07.32 | shtrb | _rubik , dmesg | tail after replugging it and paste it on some paste site |
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| 18:07.57 | shtrb | catbehemoth , it could be that your pam modules are not used (hence the can't list it ) |
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| 18:09.07 | _rubik | shtrb: https://paste.debian.net/981211/ |
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| 18:09.28 | catbehemoth | shtrb: pam-auth-update config has kerberos selected, but nothing about winbind |
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| 18:10.43 | catbehemoth | shtrb: crap libpam-winbind isnt installed, think I found the problem |
| 18:11.05 | shtrb | :D |
| 18:11.06 | shtrb | nice |
| 18:11.07 | aloo_shu | _rubik pendrives are mostly vfat, that hasn't permissions |
| 18:11.33 | shtrb | that a 64 gb too big for a vfat |
| 18:11.43 | shtrb | * I think it's too big for a vfat |
| 18:11.45 | aloo_shu | so _rubik they may get mounted ro for the user as a protect |
| 18:13.04 | catbehemoth | shtrb: ok even with libpam_winbind installed and turned on in pam-auth-update config still nothing getent group doesnt show AD groups and id ADUser returns no such user |
| 18:13.06 | Ormu | hello, is this bug worth reporting, and if it is, do you think it's Xfce bug or something related to X11 or GPU drivers? Basically, fonts sometimes (rarely) get distorted immediately after login. https://i.imgur.com/EhFQQh0.png |
| 18:13.09 | Apteryx | I'm building 4.12.7 from kernel.org now. We'll see! |
| 18:13.23 | Ormu | :O |
| 18:13.29 | shtrb | catbehemoth , can you perform any action against the AD ? |
| 18:13.43 | BluesKaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.51 | aloo_shu | dirty workaround sudo mount -o remount,rw , sudo yourfilemanager& good luck, _rubik |
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| 18:14.01 | aloo_shu | worth a shot |
| 18:14.20 | catbehemoth | shtrb: wbinfo -u -g and -P work |
| 18:14.40 | aloo_shu | place to really fix is probably udev rules |
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| 18:15.05 | _rubik | StathisA: So what you two are saying is that I should format it with a different partition? |
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| 18:15.53 | catbehemoth | shtrb: net ads info also returns info and net ads status -U ADUser also works |
| 18:16.11 | shtrb | googling about catbehemoth issue |
| 18:16.31 | _rubik | shtrb: ^^ |
| 18:16.46 | shtrb | _rubik , no |
| 18:17.29 | shtrb | catbehemoth after installing the module did you restart winbind / samba ? |
| 18:17.55 | shtrb | never mind ignore |
| 18:17.55 | catbehemoth | I did |
| 18:18.35 | _rubik | shtrb: you just said 64gb is too large for a vfat? |
| 18:19.09 | catbehemoth | nsswitch.conf has passwd: compat winbind and passwd: compat winbind and winbind enum users = yes winbind enum groups = yes in smb.conf |
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| 18:20.14 | aloo_shu | _rubik, look where your pendrive is mounted, that is, the path that shows in your file browser, like .../media/5679-7578/ |
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| 18:20.58 | _rubik | aloo_shu: Yes... I am there. |
| 18:21.14 | aloo_shu | _rubik, then in a terminal, do mount and find the line that refers to your pendrive |
| 18:21.16 | shtrb | catbehenoth , google says this can be caused if on the AD a user is lacking unix attributes |
| 18:22.09 | _rubik | aloo_shu: I know where it is mounted. What are you getting at? |
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| 18:22.59 | aloo_shu | _rubik the mount options etc, is it mounted ro or rw, and what filesystem is it after all |
| 18:23.02 | luv | hiya, running into the same problem on two jessie servers i have here |
| 18:23.14 | luv | first login to ssh after reboot takes several seconds |
| 18:23.15 | luv | tehn |
| 18:23.20 | catbehemoth | shtrb: unix attributes are deprecated since something like server 2012 |
| 18:23.27 | luv | then it works fine (even after resetting sshd) |
| 18:23.36 | luv | it's stuck on debug1: Connecting to 192.168.0.38 [192.168.0.38] port 22 for seconds |
| 18:23.43 | luv | another systemd hiccup? |
| 18:23.44 | shtrb | catbehemoth , sorry , that was I found so far |
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| 18:24.17 | aloo_shu | _rubik with do mount I want to say type the command mount |
| 18:24.20 | jmcnaught | luv: check your logs? |
| 18:24.24 | abrotman | luv: Reverse DNS issues? |
| 18:24.31 | _rubik | aloo_shu: It is RO. Which brings us back to the initial issue. I guess it's being mounted Read only? |
| 18:24.31 | luv | jmcnaught: did i not? |
| 18:24.40 | abrotman | luv: are you using an external auth system? |
| 18:24.49 | luv | abrotman: I dried UseDNS no already |
| 18:24.55 | luv | nope |
| 18:24.58 | luv | tried |
| 18:24.59 | luv | :) |
| 18:25.08 | aloo_shu | _rubik we're one step further |
| 18:25.21 | abrotman | luv: put the sshd logging into verbose or debug, try again |
| 18:25.45 | luv | yeah ... "systemctl stop ssh" ... "/usr/sbin/sshd -D -d" .... nothing useful |
| 18:25.52 | luv | so it's not a known issue, ok |
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| 18:26.06 | aloo_shu | _ now type sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/whateveritisforyou |
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| 18:26.52 | aloo_shu | _rubik now type sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/whateveritisforyou, e.g. sdb1 |
| 18:27.29 | aloo_shu | _rubik then mount again to see if it's rw now |
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| 18:28.00 | luv | so! |
| 18:28.09 | luv | strace .... it's stuck in select for several seconds |
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| 18:28.21 | luv | so i assume systemd is f$!4321$cking up with the socket?? |
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| 18:30.19 | shtrb | luv , file a bug |
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| 18:32.15 | catbehemoth | shtrb: GOT IT!!!! apt-get install libnss-winbind, libnss-winbind was installed by default before but not anymore |
| 18:32.32 | catbehemoth | shtrb: now all works :D |
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| 18:33.41 | jmcnaught | luv: what's in the logs on the server when this is happening? |
| 18:34.55 | shtrb | catbehemoth that's a bug ! |
| 18:35.06 | luv | jmcnaught: journalctl -f ? |
| 18:35.45 | luv | jmcnaught: or something in particular? |
| 18:35.48 | jmcnaught | luv: that's only going to show you the last few lines of the log and then follow it in real time. You need to see earlier than that |
| 18:36.08 | jmcnaught | specifically you need to look at logs for the time that you are unable to connect |
| 18:36.29 | catbehemoth | shtrb: what do you mean? should libnss-winbind be a dependency of winbind? you dont necessarily need libnss-winbind if you dont use it for local authentication, no? |
| 18:36.36 | luv | ofcourse im gonna run that before i try to connect |
| 18:36.42 | luv | that goes without saying :) |
| 18:37.31 | jmcnaught | luv: how long does this problem persist after booting? where are you logging into to run journalctl to watch an ssh login? |
| 18:37.43 | shtrb | if my spacebar use to heat my laptop braking this workflow is a bug :D |
| 18:38.02 | luv | i connected a keyboard and a screen to the server just because of this |
| 18:38.03 | shtrb | xkcd 1172 |
| 18:38.27 | _rubik | aloo_shu: It is still RO |
| 18:38.30 | luv | it occurs only the first time i try to ssh to the box after a reboot |
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| 18:39.30 | jmcnaught | luv: it always happens on the first ssh connection attempt no matter how long you wait after boot? |
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| 18:40.03 | luv | ok, let's give it five minutes after boot now just to be sure |
| 18:40.41 | aloo_shu | _rubik, possible misunderstanding: mount again was meant as type mount too look, not unmount and mount i.e.from yor file browser. what was the pendrive's filesystem? |
| 18:42.09 | _rubik | aloo_shu: I tried using HFS, but not sure if that is correct. |
| 18:42.22 | catbehemoth | can someone help me with sudo? I want domain admins to be able to sudo without passwd so I added "%domain admins" ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL and it all works, then I want members of directors group to be able to sudo too with passwords so I added "%directors" ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL but if I have a domain admin in directors group as well it asks for passwd, how can I make it so that domain admins has priority over |
| 18:42.25 | catbehemoth | directors? |
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| 18:43.28 | shtrb | catbehemoth , are you sure you wish to have ALL ?! |
| 18:43.29 | jmcnaught | luv: 'systemd-analyze blame' and 'systemd-analyze critical-chain ssh' might be worth looking at. journalctl also has a --since option that might be useful for you as well |
| 18:43.45 | aloo_shu | _rubik getting nearer. and does the mount command show it is hfs? or hfs+ ? |
| 18:44.05 | catbehemoth | shtrb: for now yes, Ill restrict it later on, now I am just setting it up, restrictions come later |
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| 18:44.31 | _rubik | aloo_shu: fdisk -l reports HFS/HFS+ |
| 18:45.11 | luv | let's try |
| 18:45.39 | luv | yeah takes a long time even after waiting 5 minutes after boot |
| 18:45.41 | aloo_shu | if you do not have much on it, move to another filesystem |
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| 18:46.18 | aloo_shu | if not, there would be some steps you'd better do from macosx |
| 18:46.28 | luv | nothing interesting in journalctl output |
| 18:46.52 | aloo_shu | _rubik if you do not have much on it, move to another filesystem |
| 18:46.57 | aloo_shu | if not, there would be some steps you'd better do from macosx |
| 18:47.53 | _rubik | aloo_shu: I think I may try W95 Fat32 unless you have other suggestions |
| 18:48.19 | shtrb | _rubik , but why ?! |
| 18:48.43 | _rubik | shtrb: .... another other suggestions? |
| 18:49.02 | shtrb | ext4 ? |
| 18:49.20 | shtrb | your favorite fs ? |
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| 18:49.30 | aloo_shu | ext2 if any, journalling wears out flash |
| 18:49.46 | aloo_shu | but ext2 no good support no more |
| 18:50.42 | aloo_shu | _rubik, whatever type of fat is suggested, fat32 sounds fair |
| 18:51.03 | _rubik | shtrb: ext4 wears out thumb drives very fast. I want to avoid that on a 64gb drive. |
| 18:51.30 | shtrb | aloo_shu , because who needs files over 4 gb |
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| 18:52.04 | aloo_shu | _rubik and hfs+ the same unless you turn journalling off |
| 18:52.48 | _rubik | Ahh I may have found the issue with w95 fat32. When mounting I get "/dev/sdc1 is write protectd |
| 18:53.52 | aloo_shu | shtrb there are fat types w/o that limit, but I not recall exactly which |
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| 18:55.06 | _rubik | for ext4, what partition table should I contiue with, GPT? |
| 18:55.45 | aloo_shu | _rubik, if you're trying out things anyway, use ext4 and then, in a terminal, type man tune2fs to figure how to turn off journalling |
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| 18:59.22 | aloo_shu | _rubik better mbr still |
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| 19:00.02 | _rubik | aloo_shu: Finally! Ok it's now RW. |
| 19:00.27 | aloo_shu | at least under linux this works |
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| 19:00.59 | _rubik | aloo_shu: Yes. Next step, getting one working on both osx and linux |
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| 19:01.44 | aloo_shu | try to turn off journalling, as suggested, _rubik , 'cause that's what is wearing out the drive |
| 19:02.58 | aloo_shu | _rubik, as for macosx, if you're lucky, it works, if not, look for a tool for ext on osx, or it's back to some flavour of fat |
| 19:04.18 | aloo_shu | _rubik you could type man mount in a mac terminal to learn if ext4 is supported natively by now |
| 19:04.40 | luv | alright, it's a networking issue |
| 19:04.48 | luv | same problem with ping |
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| 19:07.26 | luv | i have the network interface as hotplug and not "auto" |
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| 19:09.43 | guardian` | nowadays, what's recommended for exim4? split or unsplit conf? |
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| 19:14.59 | jolt | guardian`: whatever works for you I would say. Split is probably more common |
| 19:15.39 | jolt | That being said, I've been using a single file since forever |
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| 19:18.15 | luv | umm maybe it's my switch |
| 19:18.20 | luv | sorry guys for off-topic :) |
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| 19:19.14 | Antares | http://forum.rexant.org.ru/The%20Prodigy%20-%20Always%20Outnumbered,%20Never%20Outgunned/Audio%20CD.mdf http://forum.rexant.org.ru/The%20Prodigy%20-%20Always%20Outnumbered,%20Never%20Outgunned/Audio%20CD.mds |
| 19:19.15 | guardian` | jolt: I had the impression split was the default, but I just booted a fresh stretch and dpkg-reconfigure exim4-configure highlights "no" by default on the split/unsplit page |
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| 19:28.43 | guardian | re |
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| 19:45.25 | xar- | hello |
| 19:47.04 | xar- | trying to update jessie, get this error: http://dpaste.com/3X9NW70 (-f didn't work) |
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| 19:47.45 | jmcnaught | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 19:47.46 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 19:47.49 | abrotman | xar-: and when you try to install libpam-systemd ? |
| 19:47.58 | shtrb | jessie to what ? |
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| 19:48.06 | xar- | jessie to jessie, just updating packages |
| 19:49.08 | xar- | abrotman: haven't tried that, shall I? |
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| 19:53.01 | xar- | here you go jmcnaught |
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| 19:53.04 | xar- | http://dpaste.com/24K1VZQ |
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| 19:54.08 | xar- | looks like i messed up the last paste section, but lemme know if that's enough or i can redo it |
| 19:55.08 | teraflops | xar-: is this a vps? |
| 19:55.28 | xar- | da |
| 19:55.41 | teraflops | da? |
| 19:55.56 | Antares | yes |
| 19:56.00 | Antares | Ðа |
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| 19:56.48 | teraflops | xar-: vps privider repos have different package versions |
| 19:57.16 | teraflops | I also do not get why you have 2 jessie lines |
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| 19:58.23 | teraflops | unless hetzner repos have custom stuff, which idk |
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| 19:59.25 | xar- | ok |
| 19:59.29 | Ghostman | Hola |
| 20:00.07 | xar- | ich werde erforschen |
| 20:00.11 | xar- | thanks |
| 20:00.21 | teraflops | xar-: idk, did you change your sources list lately? |
| 20:00.41 | xar- | no, just normal update |
| 20:00.47 | xar- | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 20:00.50 | jmcnaught | xar-: what happened when you tried to install libpam-systemd? I also wonder what "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" would show |
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| 20:01.07 | teraflops | xar-: then idk from where was your systemd package installed |
| 20:01.11 | xar- | I was not confident, I will install now |
| 20:01.17 | xar- | (libpam-systemd) |
| 20:02.16 | xar- | nope |
| 20:02.20 | Ghostman | how to install jabber on kali linux? |
| 20:02.26 | teraflops | ask them |
| 20:02.57 | Antares | psi-plus |
| 20:03.33 | Antares | http://psi-plus.com |
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| 20:04.20 | Antares | sudo apt install psi-plus try |
| 20:04.21 | xar- | http://dpaste.com/19YAK9X |
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| 20:05.49 | xar- | http://dpaste.com/02P1KQS |
| 20:06.04 | xar- | the system seems very confused |
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| 20:11.41 | teraflops | xar-: again, idk about your vps, is it new, did you update it before? does it come with that very version of systemd? |
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| 20:12.03 | teraflops | also they are supposed to offer support unless they are a shitty vps provider |
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| 20:17.46 | ArlecchinoSec | !kali |
| 20:17.47 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 20:21.34 | xar- | teraflops: it's been running no problem for over a year, try to do updates once a month, this looks like an OS issue, not something I could approach their support team about |
| 20:21.55 | teraflops | no idea then, sorry |
| 20:22.01 | ArlecchinoSec | !kali |
| 20:22.01 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 20:22.25 | xar- | no problem |
| 20:23.11 | xar- | I can't be the first in #debian that has observed a circular dependency problem, I find that hard to believe |
| 20:25.13 | jolt | xar-: document it all and create a bug on it? |
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| 20:28.44 | jolt | xar-: did you try and dpkg -i systemd_215-17+deb8u7_amd64.deb libsystemd0_215-17+deb8u7_amd64.deb and libpam-systemd at the same time? Sometimes I have been able to upgrade all of the mentioned packaged with dpkg (on a single line) and then done apt from there |
| 20:28.54 | xar- | jolt: funny |
| 20:28.56 | abrotman | xar-: did you somehow mix sources? |
| 20:28.58 | xar- | jolt: I think I just fixed it ha |
| 20:29.06 | xar- | https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=177634 |
| 20:29.21 | xar- | this post said to do a `apt-get -f install` with no package arguments |
| 20:29.50 | xar- | so I did that, and it pulled in systemd systemd-sysv systemd-ui and libpam-systemd |
| 20:29.54 | jolt | Your first post also did that |
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| 20:30.52 | jolt | xar-: "You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these" from your first dpaste alsp says to not have any more args :D |
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| 20:31.13 | jolt | Well well, glad you fixed it. I'm off to bed |
| 20:31.14 | xar- | I didn't know I could run that without agruments |
| 20:31.39 | xar- | now it broke at the linux-image, so new problem, but... "progress" |
| 20:31.42 | xar- | thank you jolt |
| 20:32.42 | xar- | http://dpaste.com/1VQNWC3 |
| 20:33.00 | xar- | unable to securely remove '/boot/System.map-3.16.0-4-amd64.dpkg-new': Read-only file system |
| 20:33.05 | xar- | it hates me |
| 20:33.29 | xar- | it simply hates me. |
| 20:33.30 | petn-randall | xar-: Debian does not stand in the way if you want to shoot yourself in the foot. |
| 20:33.49 | xar- | is that what has happened, i've shot myself in the foot? |
| 20:34.24 | teraflops | idk what happened here to be honest |
| 20:34.35 | xar- | i'm just trying to update && upgrade lol... |
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| 20:34.45 | petn-randall | Sounds like you're trying hard to get both feet at once :) |
| 20:34.50 | teraflops | no, prior to the current state of things |
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| 20:36.20 | teraflops | also unless your VPS is not KVM it's worth pointing it out while describing the issue |
| 20:36.39 | teraflops | unless it's KVM^ |
| 20:38.47 | petn-randall | xar-: "Read-only file system" ... that's your issue. |
| 20:39.26 | xar- | ok so /boot is ro |
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| 20:40.00 | xar- | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en |
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| 20:40.27 | xar- | section D.3.4.2 said to use the 'ro' option |
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| 20:40.49 | xar- | /dev/XXX /boot ext3 ro,nosuid,nodev 0 2 |
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| 20:41.54 | petn-randall | Here is a *sample* you can modify to suit. It doesn't mean to take that verbatim. |
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| 20:42.23 | teraflops | xar-: is it full? |
| 20:43.57 | xar- | I'm a dumb end user, question, with systemd, is that an expectation that /boot will always need to be 'rw', in which case, it is possible that documentation should be updated to reflect that |
| 20:44.24 | petn-randall | xar-: That has *zero* to do with systemd. |
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| 20:44.54 | xar- | s/systemd/whatever triggered the error, linux-image package/ |
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| 20:45.11 | teraflops | xar-: again, what kind of vps is this? |
| 20:45.25 | teraflops | openVZ? KVM? Xen? |
| 20:45.38 | xar- | teraflops: boot has space, not sure |
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| 20:45.48 | xar- | i will unmount/remount boot with the proper flag |
| 20:46.18 | teraflops | e.g you cannot install kernels on the guest on openvz VPSs |
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| 20:46.39 | petn-randall | xar-: What type of machine did you rent at Hetzner? |
| 20:46.49 | teraflops | if you think is fine try remounting it as rw |
| 20:46.59 | xar- | I did, it didn't fail |
| 20:47.07 | xar- | hooray |
| 20:47.11 | teraflops | try installing the kernel again |
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| 20:47.57 | xar- | petn-randall: not sure i have to look at the website, but I have full control of the environment |
| 20:48.21 | teraflops | xar-: uname -r, what does it say? |
| 20:48.22 | xar- | it worked, setting rw on /boot was successful |
| 20:48.35 | xar- | 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 20:48.40 | teraflops | jessie? |
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| 20:49.03 | teraflops | it doesnt look like openvz for sure |
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| 20:49.12 | xar- | I used debootstrap |
| 20:49.15 | xar- | that link from earlier |
| 20:49.32 | xar- | which is why section D.3.4.2 bit me |
| 20:49.40 | teraflops | when did you use debootstrap? |
| 20:49.53 | xar- | back in 2016 when I first built the system |
| 20:49.59 | teraflops | ah, ok |
| 20:50.07 | apollo13 | and in the meantime never upgraded the kernel? XD |
| 20:50.38 | xar- | I don't think debian updates the kernel that much, I'm not sure |
| 20:50.59 | abrotman | "that much" is relative |
| 20:51.38 | xar- | I pay attention to the news, if there was something critical I would have jumped in and addressed it |
| 20:51.52 | xar- | but yes it is relative |
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| 20:52.22 | xar- | i'm also on the mailing lists I think, so I get updates that way as well |
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| 20:53.47 | petn-randall | I'm assuming that machine hasn't been getting security updates since 2016 then ... |
| 20:54.11 | teraflops | he did not paste sources.list irrc |
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| 20:54.17 | teraflops | iirc^ |
| 20:54.54 | xar- | there's a pretty restrictive iptables policy, and no HTTP exposed, the attack surface (i think that's the epxression) is low |
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| 20:55.26 | xar- | thank you for the assistance, on to the next error! |
| 20:55.44 | xar- | ( teraflops petn-randall jolt abrotman and jmcnaught ) |
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| 20:55.53 | teraflops | np |
| 20:56.17 | xar- | whipsers that debootstrap document should still be updated :P |
| 20:57.00 | xar- | i'm a dumb end user, I realize now it says sample, but I couldn't write that myself, nor do I understand all the directives, it should say 'rw' for boot in my esteemed novice opinon |
| 20:57.10 | teraflops | having old as hell machines helps sometimes, we have a bunch of centos 3 machines at work, and wannacry did not affect them because samba was too old :P |
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| 20:58.48 | xar- | if I recall |
| 20:58.49 | apollo13 | teraflops: centos 3? are you working in the chip industry? |
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| 20:59.03 | xar- | centos predates rpm, does it not? |
| 20:59.08 | abrotman | no |
| 20:59.09 | xar- | s/centos/centos 3/ |
| 20:59.10 | cluelessperson | jesus, debian's samba package is hella old |
| 20:59.13 | teraflops | apollo13: nah, I work for public administration |
| 20:59.15 | xar- | I mean yum |
| 20:59.18 | abrotman | no |
| 20:59.19 | cluelessperson | 2.5 versus current 4.* |
| 20:59.30 | teraflops | xar-: we did not suggest such thing, and maybe the documentation is outdated, not the first time sadly |
| 20:59.32 | petn-randall | ,v samba |
| 20:59.33 | judd | Package: samba on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u13; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u6; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u7+b1; jessie-proposed-updates: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u7+b1; stretch: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-2; stretch-proposed-updates: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-2+deb9u1+b1; |
| 20:59.33 | apollo13 | teraflops: oh, they would at least be allowed to upgrade their machines, lazy admins? : |
| 20:59.34 | judd | sid: 2:4.6.5+dfsg-8; buster: 2:4.6.5+dfsg-8 |
| 20:59.46 | petn-randall | cluelessperson: I don't think you're looking at the right Debian. |
| 20:59.47 | teraflops | apollo13: I can assure you we are not lazy :P |
| 20:59.48 | xar- | if I recall, rhel 3 boxes I used to manage, didn't have yum, it was awful |
| 21:00.01 | abrotman | xar-: you mean RH3 or RHEL3? |
| 21:00.14 | cluelessperson | petn-randall: what do you mean? |
| 21:00.29 | petn-randall | cluelessperson: It's 4.5.8 in stretch, I don't know where you see samba 2.5. |
| 21:00.46 | apollo13 | petn-randall: the version started with 2: which probably confused cluelessperson |
| 21:00.54 | cluelessperson | petn-randall: my samba installed shown by dpkg was 2.5 |
| 21:00.58 | xar- | uhh lemme think, it was called taroon |
| 21:01.03 | xar- | or nahant, i forget |
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| 21:01.24 | xar- | it was bad, PTSD makes it hard to remember |
| 21:01.29 | cluelessperson | root@sequoia:~/samba-4.6.7/source4# apt-cache madison samba |
| 21:01.30 | cluelessperson | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.33 | petn-randall | cluelessperson: I don't think you're reading it right, you paste paste that single line in here. |
| 21:01.44 | cluelessperson | petn-randall: apollo13 ^ ? |
| 21:01.51 | petn-randall | cluelessperson: Yeah, it's 4.5.8, the 2: part is called an epoch. |
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| 21:02.00 | cluelessperson | ohh |
| 21:02.35 | cluelessperson | petn-randall: apollo13 Well, then my actual issue is that samba cannot detect my interfaces, specifically "innervpn" by openvpn |
| 21:02.41 | cluelessperson | I figured it was an old version |
| 21:02.48 | petn-randall | !xy problem |
| 21:02.48 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 21:02.58 | petn-randall | cluelessperson: We call that an xy problem. ^^^ |
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| 21:03.10 | abrotman | xar-: FWIW, yum came from Yellowdog, a distro from the late 90s,early 00s |
| 21:03.31 | xar- | it was not present on the systems |
| 21:03.42 | xar- | it was not red hat 3 though, I doubt I was alive ha |
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| 21:03.49 | teraflops | heh |
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| 21:04.45 | abrotman | xar-: again, RH3 is different than RHEL3. But yum definitely predates RHEL3 |
| 21:05.14 | xar- | abrotman: i know thats why i said what i did |
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| 21:05.37 | abrotman | thinks someone is ocnfused ... |
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| 21:05.59 | xar- | my comment on taroon / nahant |
| 21:06.03 | cluelessperson | samba seems buggy as hell :/ |
| 21:07.29 | teraflops | cluelessperson: try providing as much detailed information as you can, post full errors, not paraphrasing them |
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| 21:09.19 | cluelessperson | teraflops: sorry, I'm just getting increasingly upset as I'm attempting to handle this. it installed fine the first time, bugged, uninstalled, now the reinstall is bugged |
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| 21:09.31 | cluelessperson | I'll present it if it fails after I try something |
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| 21:10.40 | xar- | abrotman: looked it up, so taroon was rhel 3, and nahant was rhel 4, red hat 3 would predate me, hence the comment on age |
| 21:10.48 | xar- | (is not confused) |
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| 21:15.28 | ahmed751995 | excuse me, why no download plugin in ktorrent ? |
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| 21:19.03 | inte | hello |
| 21:19.35 | inte | i cant get my wifi setup automatically |
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| 21:19.53 | inte | after boot, i always have to kill wpa_supplicant |
| 21:20.26 | inte | and manually do a ifup wlan0 |
| 21:20.31 | inte | then it would work |
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| 21:20.57 | inte | i could of course write a script which would do that, but i think there should be a better option |
| 21:21.03 | inte | any hints, anyone? |
| 21:21.07 | inte | thanks!! |
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| 21:22.14 | cluelessperson | okay, Samba seems bugged, unable to recognize the openvpn netowrk interfaces |
| 21:22.22 | cluelessperson | https://hastebin.com/raw/okatazufaw |
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| 21:24.56 | apollo13 | cluelessperson: what is the ip of that iface? |
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| 21:26.47 | Lady_Aleena | Hello, will someone help me go through my sources list (http://paste.debian.net/981230/) again to find any that are now irrelevant for Jessie? I'm getting warnings and an error (http://paste.debian.net/981231/) when trying to update. |
| 21:26.52 | cluelessperson | apollo13: 10.1.0.1 |
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| 21:27.12 | apollo13 | that seems to be a local iface at lesat :D |
| 21:27.52 | cluelessperson | apollo13: yup, I configured it. It's "innervpn" tun made by openvpn |
| 21:27.57 | n4dir | !sources |
| 21:27.58 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 21:28.05 | n4dir | does that help Lady_Aleena ? |
| 21:28.12 | Lady_Aleena | n4dir, I'm still using Jessie. |
| 21:28.32 | n4dir | k, i hoped it was a typo :-) sorry for the noise |
| 21:28.34 | polaris | Hi there, how can I add the backports to Debian stretch sources list? |
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| 21:29.35 | Lady_Aleena | polaris, you could look at the dpkg message above. |
| 21:30.25 | polaris | thanks Lady_Aleena |
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| 21:31.28 | Lady_Aleena | polaris, welcome. |
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| 21:33.41 | th0r | Lady_Aleena, from the error a good guess would be that mozilla is no longer supporting jessie. |
| 21:34.03 | Lady_Aleena | I am thinking if my sources.list is bad, then upgrading to Stretch will not work until it is fixed. |
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| 21:34.43 | th0r | Lady_Aleena, the only error you are getting is about that mozilla repo...just comment it out |
| 21:35.05 | Lady_Aleena | th0r, I will give it a whirl. |
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| 21:36.00 | cluelessperson | apollo13: it can't even find localhost, or lo |
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| 21:37.50 | Lady_Aleena | th0r, it is updating and upgrading now. Thanks. |
| 21:38.21 | brabo | hiya, i am trying to install python-dev on jessie but it ends up in some version conflict between python2.7 and python2.7-dev and libpython2.7-dev and apt fails to even find the files in the repo (get 404 errors), although apt is updated, any ideas? |
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| 21:40.50 | xar- | if there's one thing I've learned brabo, these dutiful volunteers love EVIDENCE |
| 21:41.12 | xar- | pastebin your apt command, the result, your first-born child, everything you got |
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| 21:42.52 | polaris | I want to upgrade my kernel version in Debian stretch, I already added the stretch-backports to my sources list. Do I only have to install the linux-image package or also the linux-headers? |
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| 21:44.05 | dTal | brabo: in particular I'd be curious to see your sources.list, or whatever stupid multiple-file overcomplicated way they've come up with of doing that now |
| 21:44.19 | Lady_Aleena | hasn't updated/upgraded for a while, so it is taking forever to finish. |
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| 21:49.04 | ahmed751995 | excuse me, why no shutdown plugin in ktorrent ? |
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| 22:00.54 | Lady_Aleena | When upgrading to stretch, will my sources.list be overwritten meaning my notes will be lost? |
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| 22:01.22 | n4dir | iirc: no, it won't be overwritten. |
| 22:01.46 | n4dir | to be sure cp it, won't hurt (i am pretty sure, but am not keen being the culprit) |
| 22:02.05 | Lady_Aleena | So "jessie" will be altered to "stretch" in sources.list only? |
| 22:02.34 | n4dir | again: iirc: if an upgrade gives a new config file in etc, you will be asked what you want to do (use the new version, overwrite it, what-not) |
| 22:02.43 | n4dir | Lady_Aleena: yes, but you have to do it |
| 22:03.14 | n4dir | - /etc/debian_version or such will be changed. |
| 22:03.24 | n4dir | but it only gives info, as far i know |
| 22:04.43 | Lady_Aleena | copied. |
| 22:04.47 | n4dir | in general the /etc directory is rather small. if it was me i would cp the whole folder, before doing an upgrade. |
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| 22:04.59 | SpeakerToMeat | Hello my dear people. |
| 22:05.03 | n4dir | but then: i don't edit much there anyway. lol |
| 22:05.28 | Lady_Aleena | n4dir, I have to argue with apache in /etc sometimes. |
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| 22:06.11 | SpeakerToMeat | Question, I'm migrating my system install to a new HDD (SSD), and taking the chance to try and change my debian (stretch upgraded from Jessie upgraded from Wheezie), from BIOS boot to EFI boot |
| 22:06.45 | SpeakerToMeat | I've chrooted from a different distro live, I've installed grub-efi-amd64 and manually created /boot/efi and mounted the partition there |
| 22:06.47 | n4dir | I see. To me it seems to be more easy to cp all of /etc (so i don't miss something). Like said: i am pretty sure you will be asked what you want to do. But won't hurt to be safe (save?). Lady_Aleena |
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| 22:08.25 | somiaj | SpeakerToMeat: you botted into efi mode on the live system? You were already using a GPT partition table? AFter that make sure you mount /boot/efi, and then you should be able to remove the grub-pc package and install the grub-efi one, then run grub-install /dev/efipartition I belive |
| 22:08.26 | SpeakerToMeat | But trying to generate the efi image, grub-install /dev/sdc argues theres no "BIOS boot partition", my manually made efi boot partition /dev/sdc1 is type ef00 in gdisk, so it should work... I wonder, grub is probably trying to create a bios boot because this live is in bios mode not efi... is there any way to create the efi image and install it to /boot/efi/efi/debian somehow even in bios mode? that is, convince grub-install to use efi |
| 22:08.48 | SpeakerToMeat | somiaj: The new SSD is formated in GPT, with the system in id 8300 and the efi partition in ef00 |
| 22:08.53 | somiaj | SpeakerToMeat: you might still ahve grub-pc installed, and thus grub-install is trying to install an mbr image |
| 22:09.05 | SpeakerToMeat | somiaj: Ok I'll remove that and try, thanks |
| 22:10.12 | Apteryx | Is there an easy way to install AMDGPU PRO driver on Debian 9? I'd much prefer to use amdgpu open source driver (+ proprietary blobs...), except it doesn't work. |
| 22:10.39 | SpeakerToMeat | somiaj: Only the config files of that remained, I did a --purge but told it not to delete everything in /boot/grub just in case, should I delete that too? |
| 22:11.17 | somiaj | Apteryx: not officalially, but I belive you can edit the amdpro installer to make it work on debian 9 (just change the ubuntu to stretch or debian, forget the details) |
| 22:11.41 | Apteryx | somiaj: OK. I guess this setup would break on a kernel update? |
| 22:11.50 | SpeakerToMeat | somiaj: Hmm still the same error, I tried this: "grub-install --target=arm64-efi /dev/sdc" got this "grub-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/arm64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory" |
| 22:12.04 | Lady_Aleena | The only things in /etc I have edited (that I remember) is sudoers, sources.list, and apache2 files; and those are now saved elsewhere. |
| 22:12.20 | SpeakerToMeat | somiaj: Don't mind me for now, I think I got it.... |
| 22:13.01 | somiaj | SpeakerToMeat: I ended up doign a fresh install when I switched to efi, there maybe something in etc that grub-install is using to think it needs to do an mbr install vs efi |
| 22:13.07 | SpeakerToMeat | somiaj: Bingo... ls taught me the right call was "grub-install --target=x86_64-efi /dev/sdc" |
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| 22:13.51 | somiaj | SpeakerToMeat: note you can bypass grub alltogether with efi and use efibootmgr (which I think is now part of systemd in stretch) |
| 22:14.04 | Lady_Aleena | Now all I have to do is my rsyncs to the 3 destinations, then I can upgrade to stretch. I think. |
| 22:14.30 | SpeakerToMeat | somiaj: Thank you... as I'm not in efi mode, grub couldn't set the boot image in efi, but I'm told copying the efi image to /boot/efi/EFI/boot/bootx64.efi should fix |
| 22:14.50 | somiaj | SpeakerToMeat: you have to boot into efi mode to be able to install a boot mangaer for efi. |
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| 22:15.10 | somiaj | SpeakerToMeat: copying that file won't update the firmware, you maybe able to do that from your firmware, but best to have a live image that boots into efi mode (not legacy) |
| 22:15.26 | benefit | I like this channel already, great bot showing the ropes from the beginning |
| 22:15.37 | SpeakerToMeat | somiaj: Not a bad idea... I'm gonna use rEFINd really as I have a win 7 on my old hdd which I'll turn to EFI as well (with parted and lots of luck, wish me luck!) I'll see but rEFINd most surely supports booting from efibootmgr |
| 22:15.57 | cluelessperson | So it turns out, Openvpn TUN interfaces are not BROADCAST, TAP is. So samba apparently requires broadcast? |
| 22:16.04 | SpeakerToMeat | somiaj: What are the advantages of efibootmgr? |
| 22:16.38 | somiaj | SpeakerToMeat: just smaller, efi firmware can effectivally be a boot manager and you don't really need a special boot manager like grub. |
| 22:17.30 | SpeakerToMeat | somiaj: And with refind in the middle I do not need to worry about needing grub to boot other devices sometimes... ok.... I'll give efibootmgr a read. I'll miss grub, I liked it when I switched from lilo to grub, but we'll see. thanks |
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| 22:18.19 | somiaj | SpeakerToMeat: note, efibootmgr will need a single efi file per kernel you use, so unlike grub you won't have a list of older kernels. |
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| 22:18.31 | somiaj | SpeakerToMeat: just makes recovery a little more problematic. |
| 22:18.37 | SpeakerToMeat | somiaj: Hmmm.... yeah |
| 22:18.44 | SpeakerToMeat | I'll consider it. |
| 22:19.02 | somiaj | since you don't really change kernels that often in stretch it won't be a big problem (unless you use backport kernels) |
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| 22:19.27 | naamra | is anyone here? |
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| 22:20.20 | aves | hi |
| 22:20.27 | somiaj | naamra: just ask your debian support question if you have one |
| 22:20.34 | SpeakerToMeat | .ask |
| 22:20.37 | SpeakerToMeat | Oh sorry |
| 22:20.43 | n4dir | !ask |
| 22:20.43 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 22:20.47 | n4dir | ta-da. |
| 22:20.48 | petn-randall | naamra: Many people indeed :) |
| 22:21.08 | SpeakerToMeat | n4dir: Thanks, but somiaj had already told them :) |
| 22:21.20 | Lady_Aleena | n4dir, isn't there a way to tell dpkg to tell someone directly? Let me test it. |
| 22:21.22 | aves | I have a bug. He arise random. working may 2-3 day is normal but after some events start high load cpu |
| 22:21.31 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: tell foo about bar |
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| 22:21.50 | Lady_Aleena | tell n4dir about ask |
| 22:21.52 | SpeakerToMeat | somiaj: With trigger? (!) |
| 22:21.58 | Lady_Aleena | !tell n4dir about ask |
| 22:22.01 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: you need to triger dpkg so ! or dpkg: |
| 22:22.17 | SpeakerToMeat | aves: Have you used a task manager to see which process is using the cpu? |
| 22:22.21 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I sort of figured the moment I hit enter. |
| 22:22.49 | aves | SpeakerToMeat, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/45522547/php7-0-fpm-high-load-cpu |
| 22:23.07 | aves | SpeakerToMeat, its my question on SO |
| 22:23.08 | Lady_Aleena | !tell Lady_Aleena about stretch |
| 22:23.10 | SpeakerToMeat | php fpm? Hmmm |
| 22:23.27 | Lady_Aleena | Hmm... !tell doesn't work through +g. |
| 22:23.27 | aves | SpeakerToMeat, yes |
| 22:23.35 | n4dir | Lady_Aleena: if you want the info yourself, you can do /msg dpkg stretch |
| 22:23.46 | n4dir | i always forget the !tell trick though ... |
| 22:23.57 | Lady_Aleena | n4dir, I was testing !tell against +g. |
| 22:24.13 | cloppy | Hello everyone. Is there a way to make graphics tablet work on wayland? I have a wacom tablet and it's not detect in the control panel on wayland and when I use it I get 2 cursors. It also doesn't work with any applications. It did that pretty much on every distro by the way. |
| 22:24.23 | n4dir | ok (not that i would understand it, but i misunderstood your approach Lady_Aleena ) |
| 22:25.02 | Lady_Aleena | n4dir, logging onto freenode and setting user mode +g turns off all private messaging. |
| 22:25.29 | SpeakerToMeat | aves: I'm not that good at strace but I don't see the file associated with the file handle 8 there... now if this is in php-fpm, have you tried seeying the http server access logs to see if there's an access spike at these moments? |
| 22:25.34 | Lady_Aleena | I use +g to keep the creeps away. |
| 22:25.55 | n4dir | ah, thanks |
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| 22:26.45 | aves | SpeakerToMeat, write(8, "C", 1) 8 is filehandle? |
| 22:27.17 | SpeakerToMeat | aves: that's a write to a handle command (afaik), that's failing to write to the handle for some reason (the handle can point to a file, a socket, a unix socket, etc) |
| 22:27.40 | SpeakerToMeat | That reason... it says it's not available... |
| 22:28.12 | aves | SpeakerToMeat, thanks try to see |
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| 22:30.07 | SpeakerToMeat | aves: Now I've never straced that kind of thing, but my personal suspicion at first glance would be you're receiving a load of requests that are closing the tcp connection before being able to receive a response... |
| 22:30.42 | SpeakerToMeat | that might reflect in your http daemon access logs (or error logs too if php freaks out at this)... but it's just a suposition, not based on hard data |
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| 22:31.42 | SpeakerToMeat | Ok will try to boot off my "new" SSD, wish me luck, bbl, thanks for the help somiaj |
| 22:32.04 | SpeakerToMeat | If that works, I'll try to EFI up my windows install next, not that I use it much (once in the last year) |
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| 22:40.53 | aves | php-fpm7.0[11050]: segfault at 7f2513fc5ee1 ip 00007f2513fc5ee1 sp 00007f250a1f2d20 error 14 in libbsd.so.0.8.3[7f2515047000+13000] what error? |
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| 22:43.07 | Pupuser-1 | hello |
| 22:43.38 | Apteryx | How can I tell 'apt' or 'dpkg' to *not* update a given package (linux-image-4.13.0-rc2+) ? |
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| 22:43.52 | Apteryx | I want this one to be frozen until I manually update it. |
| 22:44.10 | Apteryx | Well, I want the linux-image installed packgae to not be touched. |
| 22:44.21 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Apteryx about hold |
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| 22:44.59 | Apteryx | they're on their pause ;) |
| 22:45.40 | aloo_shu | find out yourself: man dpk , man apt-get |
| 22:45.55 | aloo_shu | and then /hold |
| 22:46.01 | Apteryx | yep, that's what I'm doing, thanks :) |
| 22:46.06 | aloo_shu | dpkg , typo |
| 22:46.06 | dpkg | somebody said typo was when someone tries to type really fast without knowing what he is actually doing.... so he makes typing mistakes. |
| 22:46.42 | aloo_shu | now who was that somebody, we all wonder |
| 22:47.13 | aloo_shu | no poke intended actually |
| 22:48.01 | aloo_shu | should I rename myself into 'crashes' and get kidneyache from all the poking? |
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| 22:50.27 | Apteryx | aloo_shu: In the manpages, I see that a package can have a state "hold', and how to instruct the package managers dpkg/apt to force their way around that, but I don't see how to *set* that state to a package. |
| 22:50.27 | aves | php-fpm7.0[11050]: segfault at 7f2513fc5ee1 ip 00007f2513fc5ee1 sp 00007f250a1f2d20 error 14 in libbsd.so.0.8.3[7f2515047000+13000] what error? |
| 22:50.52 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 22:50.53 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 22:51.16 | petn-randall | aves: Can you provide all of the above for the package php7.0-fpm? |
| 22:51.36 | Apteryx | Oh, maybe "apt-get --no-upgrade" |
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| 22:52.25 | aves | petn-randall, ok thanks try |
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| 22:57.15 | aves | petn-randall, 2 http://paste.debian.net/981235/ 3 http://paste.debian.net/981236/ 1 understand what need |
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| 22:58.05 | Apteryx | Would doing 'apt-mark hold linux-image-4.13.0-rc2+' prevent an eventual 4.14 backported kernel to replace the "linux-image" currently used system package? |
| 22:58.10 | petn-randall | aves: Can you also provide 'apt-cache policy libbsd0'? |
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| 22:58.50 | petn-randall | aves: It seems like you're running php-fpm from some random Ubuntu repo, which is why it's broken for you. |
| 22:59.03 | aves | petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/981237/ |
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| 23:00.27 | petn-randall | aves: Try removing and reinstalling any packages you previously installed from the Ubuntu PPA. |
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| 23:01.25 | abrotman | "This package is for Windows10, but it should work on Windows95, because 10<95" |
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| 23:02.37 | aves | petn-randall, thanks try |
| 23:03.02 | petn-randall | !dont break debian |
| 23:03.03 | dpkg | from memory, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 23:03.12 | petn-randall | aves: Also have a look at the link above. ^^^ |
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| 23:06.58 | polaris | Hi there, I read in a forum that bumblebee has been deprecated in other distros and rather it's recommended to use nvidia-prime. I think it's not the case for Debian. Do you know something about it? |
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| 23:08.50 | petn-randall | polaris: There's only bumblebee in stretch, but there might be nvidia-prime by the time buster releases. |
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| 23:09.56 | matu | Hi |
| 23:10.03 | polaris | petn-randall, how about in the backports? |
| 23:10.03 | matu | what is the best way to install Remmina on debian 9 ? |
| 23:10.33 | matu | on the official website of Remmina, it says that Remmina v1.2 will be available for debian 9 |
| 23:10.35 | matu | but it is not in the repo |
| 23:11.04 | abrotman | matu: what's the website? |
| 23:11.16 | abrotman | matu: why not use the RDP clients in Debian already? |
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| 23:11.40 | matu | Remmina.org |
| 23:11.50 | matu | which client abrotman ? |
| 23:11.56 | abrotman | there are many |
| 23:12.03 | matu | i like Remmina |
| 23:12.07 | matu | because i know it |
| 23:12.16 | abrotman | didn't realize RDP was that hard .. |
| 23:12.25 | abrotman | matu: it says you have to use Snap to install on Debian |
| 23:12.45 | matu | Snap ? what is it ? |
| 23:13.12 | abrotman | I have no idea, the docs under Download say that's how you install it on Debina |
| 23:13.52 | matu | https://www.remmina.org/wp/remmina-1-2-will-be-available-on-debian-9-stretch/ |
| 23:13.58 | matu | it says it should be available, but it is not |
| 23:14.00 | abrotman | I'd really suugest trying an RDP client already in Debian |
| 23:14.02 | htonl | exit |
| 23:14.03 | matu | so what's the point ? |
| 23:14.27 | abrotman | matu: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=remmina Seems it was removed from Stretch for some reason |
| 23:14.52 | matu | removed oO |
| 23:15.07 | matu | why? |
| 23:15.33 | matu | i did not find anything on this page but thx |
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| 23:18.30 | matu | thank you |
| 23:18.35 | matu | i will give freerdp a try |
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| 23:22.01 | SpeakerToMeat | Sorry I forgot your name but for who was helping me, yeah efi doesn't recognize the disk :/ I'm trying again but I don't have much hope... and I don't have an efi bootale usb drive right now |
| 23:22.08 | SpeakerToMeat | I will try void but it'll take an hour to download |
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| 23:28.48 | matu | so boring to use |
| 23:28.52 | matu | i regret Remmina |
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| 23:32.24 | abrotman | regret? |
| 23:32.33 | abrotman | matu: are you using Gnome? |
| 23:32.35 | abrotman | Gnome3 |
| 23:33.04 | matu | no |
| 23:33.05 | matu | lxde |
| 23:33.25 | matu | Remmina was so beautiful with its simple graphical interface |
| 23:33.43 | matu | i had my list of servers it was cool, but i dont have it anymore in debian 9 and i miss it |
| 23:34.50 | abrotman | matu: thereare others |
| 23:35.02 | matu | like what ? |
| 23:35.31 | abrotman | xrdp, rdesktop, vinagre (last one is meant for Gnome, but might be fine on LXDE) |
| 23:35.33 | matu | xfreerdp is a command line tool, and xfreerdp-x11 does not provide any bin that would launch a graphical interface i guess |
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| 23:38.21 | matu | thank you, i will use vinagre |
| 23:38.26 | matu | thanks a lot |
| 23:38.31 | matu | for your answers and for your help |
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| 23:55.55 | Apteryx | matu: Remmina is supposed to make a come back on Stretch at some point, it was removed because they wanted to include only the new version to be released soon (TM). |
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| 23:57.11 | Apteryx | I even installed it from some repo I found on a blog, and it worked well, except for the full screen bug that all GTK3+ based RDP tools seem to have (the hidable top bar menu won't become visible when in fullscreen). |
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| 23:59.32 | Apteryx | I installed a custom kernel (the regular ones won't support my GPU). Am I safe against regular kernel upgrades by simply doing "sudo apt-mark hold linux-image-amd64" ? |
