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| 00:01.19 | aloo_shu | with man dpkg you ought to find out how to list held packages, and when you have them, it maybe rings a bell. The must |
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| 00:02.08 | aloo_shu | There must have been a situation that led to these packages getting held an d breaking |
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| 00:06.55 | bamb | hey guys, i just installed stretch 9.1 and my application needs some older libraries |
| 00:07.00 | bamb | how can i get these? |
| 00:07.13 | bamb | for example, it needs libgcrypt.so.11 |
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| 00:11.05 | foxpup | hello bamb |
| 00:13.01 | HeXiLeD | i am getting them with wget from jessie repos |
| 00:14.06 | bamb | this is completely unsupported, right? |
| 00:14.25 | foxpup | right |
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| 00:14.44 | foxpup | (I would do the same thing btw) |
| 00:15.23 | foxpup | are you sure you can't resolve it with a symlink? |
| 00:15.49 | foxpup | *to the new version |
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| 00:16.10 | Paul^ | hello |
| 00:16.19 | foxpup | hello |
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| 00:16.56 | Paul^ | I'm looking from connect another pc to the tor network throght another with debian |
| 00:17.25 | Paul^ | when I try to set sock5 port 9150 , firefoc don't go |
| 00:17.30 | Paul^ | firefox |
| 00:17.42 | aloo_shu | HeXiLeD and install them - how? 'by hand' with dpkg? Have you installed something with --force options before? |
| 00:17.54 | HeXiLeD | dpkg -i |
| 00:17.54 | dpkg | HeXiLeD: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 00:19.00 | Paul^ | I have tor working on debian, and another machine in the same lan , when I set the 2 pc to use the fisrt it doesn't go |
| 00:19.48 | Paul^ | so I think : by default tor is setted to don't accept external connection to the socks5 port ? |
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| 00:20.29 | aloo_shu | HeXiLeD there is a bot here called dpkg, it reacts to 'dpkg' :) Is there a good reason why you do not use synanaptic, aptitude, or apt/apt get? |
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| 00:21.35 | HeXiLeD | aloo_shu: oh ya. Very good reason. These packages are not available for stretch yet. |
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| 00:22.22 | aloo_shu | and did you previously use --force or --ignore ? |
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| 00:23.59 | HeXiLeD | neither |
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| 00:24.23 | aloo_shu | HeXiLeD , good reason, bad idea to mix distros overriding defaults if you don't know how to fix the resulting s |
| 00:25.41 | aloo_shu | well, I was to say mess, but anyway, if you are ready to loose a few of your installed 'newer' packages, there is at leasst a chance that you caj get your system into a state where packages install without errors |
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| 00:29.01 | aloo_shu | HeXiLed , it's possible from cli, but I would start synaptic, list packages by 'State' - 'Broken' and uninstall the broken packages, the dialogs should give yoiu a picture of how far the consequences will reach |
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| 00:36.24 | Paul^ | hello |
| 00:37.39 | afx237 | anyone using debian jessie with unattended upgrades have issues with routing or anything? one of my VPSes at vultr went offline pretty much exactly when the kernel upgrade happened, rebooting doesn't help. it gets the right IP from DHCP, but no default gateway |
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| 00:39.30 | Paul^ | by default debian lock connectin on a local sock5 ? |
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| 00:46.21 | n4dir | Paul^: i don't remember much, but when i used tor from a different PC running i used "ssh port-forwarding". (I used privoxy too, btw) |
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| 00:47.51 | Paul^ | n4dir, ssh port-forwarding is a tunnel , I have 2 pc on the same lan |
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| 00:48.39 | n4dir | same case for what i did |
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| 00:53.29 | bamb | has anyone here debugged a remote machine use SerialOverLAN? |
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| 00:54.39 | netvor | hi good people, can somebody tell me in humanese what dh_usrlocal is for? |
| 00:54.54 | netvor | because I find the manpage rather ... unclear |
| 00:55.19 | netvor | is it just to move stuff from /usr/local to /usr? |
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| 01:23.55 | Henry151 | so, I've been trying to wrap my head around firefox vs firefox esr for some time; I think I get the basic concept, but I'm still left with one question -- which one should I use, and why? XD |
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| 01:25.00 | dvs | Henry151, whichever you like |
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| 01:27.13 | Henry151 | lol |
| 01:27.14 | Henry151 | thanks |
| 01:27.26 | Henry151 | which one is likely to be "newer" or more up to date? |
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| 01:28.01 | jelly | firefox-esr is going to be up to date. firefox is going to be newer, but not always available from Debian right away |
| 01:28.08 | dvs | Henry151, the non-esr one of course but they both get security fixes |
| 01:28.45 | Henry151 | ok. so I think I'll run the non-esr as my standard choice. |
| 01:28.47 | Henry151 | thanks fellas |
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| 01:31.13 | cluelessperson | hey guys, I modified this file: /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty\@tty1.service |
| 01:31.20 | cluelessperson | but it seems to be overwritten when I install stuff? |
| 01:31.42 | jelly | dvs: I wouldn't say firefox gets security fixes, the only place where it's up to date is sid |
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| 01:32.25 | jelly | mozilla's build gets fixes if you install from tarball and unpack it as the same user that is going to run it |
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| 01:33.52 | jelly | Henry151: ^^ you can't get a build of "firefox" the release branch ("non-esr") from Debian right now |
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| 01:39.40 | dvs | oh ok |
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| 01:47.12 | cluelessperson | hey guys, I can't do "systemctl daemon-reload" in a chroot, how do I update the chroot's systemd after modifying a file? |
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| 01:52.01 | Henry151 | jelly, dvs -- so I should run esr, if i want to be safest, and also don't want to download a tarball/want to only use apt? |
| 01:52.42 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: a chroot would not have its own systemd. You could use systemd-nspawn containers, or LXC, if you need that |
| 01:52.52 | Henry151 | jelly: because i seem to have both firefox and firefox-esr on my machine |
| 01:53.11 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught: I don't understand |
| 01:53.25 | Henry151 | i'm just trying to figure out which one i should be using.. i don't want to download straight from mozilla, i just want to make the best choice between the two options already installed on my machine |
| 01:53.29 | themill | cluelessperson: it would be very unusual to run system inside a chroot |
| 01:53.30 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught: I just want to modify the service.conf file |
| 01:53.45 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught: without it being overwriten when I do the next apt-get install |
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| 01:54.23 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: i don't know where service.conf lives but if it's a conffile then it should not get overwritten |
| 01:54.29 | themill | it is a conffile |
| 01:54.46 | cluelessperson | themill: yes |
| 01:55.00 | cluelessperson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:55.13 | cluelessperson | er .service apparently |
| 01:55.24 | themill | cluelessperson: I think it would be helpful if you took a step back from the problem and explained what you're doing |
| 01:55.29 | themill | and why |
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| 01:56.11 | dvs | Henry151, I'd just run esr because it's the most supported in Debian |
| 01:56.33 | cluelessperson | themill: I used debootstrap to build debian in a chroot. I chroot into that environment, modify that file, and I do "apt-get install something" and the file is back to the way it was. |
| 01:56.57 | cluelessperson | themill: I can't have the new system autologin if the conf is overwritten |
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| 02:02.54 | jelly | Henry151: use esr. firefox release current upstream version is 55.0.2, if you have anything lower it's too old and has known security issues |
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| 02:03.25 | jelly | ,v firefox |
| 02:03.26 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 55.0-2 |
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| 02:04.54 | themill | cluelessperson: which file and which something? |
| 02:05.21 | cluelessperson | themill: /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty\@tty1.service |
| 02:05.36 | themill | is that a file or a symlink? |
| 02:06.18 | cluelessperson | themill: I'm doing cat <<EOF > thatfile so if it's a link, it's modifying the link |
| 02:06.33 | themill | and that would be a problem. So which is it? |
| 02:07.16 | themill | also, where is it coming from to begin with? |
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| 02:49.49 | gmcastil | trying to install 32-bit libraries for some 3rd party binaries on 64-bit platform. sort of stuck - I need libX11.so.6 but dont know what package to install (or is there a separate repo i need to enable to install that?)? |
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| 02:51.02 | jmcnaught | !multi-arch |
| 02:51.03 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 02:51.57 | gmcastil | jmcnaught: oh....so the reason it wasnt showing up in my listing was because i hadnt added i386 to the list of architectures that could be installed for? |
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| 02:52.42 | jmcnaught | if you need to install 32-bit versions of packages on a 64-bit system then you need to enable multi-arch as described above |
| 02:53.29 | jmcnaught | ,file libX11.so.6 |
| 02:53.34 | judd | Search for libX11.so.6 in stretch/amd64: libx11-6: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6 |
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| 02:53.57 | jmcnaught | ,file libX11.so.6 --architecture i386 |
| 02:53.58 | judd | (file <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>] [--regex | --exact]) -- Returns packages that include files matching <pattern> which, by default, is interpreted as a glob (see glob(7)). If --regex is given, the pattern is treated as a extended regex (see regex(7); note not PCRE!). If --exact is given, the exact filename is required. The current stable release and amd64 are searched by |
| 02:53.59 | judd | default. |
| 02:54.04 | jmcnaught | ,file libX11.so.6 --arch i386 |
| 02:54.08 | judd | Search for libX11.so.6 in stretch/i386: libx11-6: usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6 |
| 02:54.45 | gmcastil | great - thanks for the help. i'll read the MA docs a bit now that i have a basic idea how it works |
| 02:54.53 | jmcnaught | gmcastil: you can search for what package a file is in with apt-file on your system, you can /msg judd to do it, or you can search by file on http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 02:55.48 | gmcastil | jmcnaught: do i still install the i386 libraries using apt-get? |
| 02:56.09 | jmcnaught | yes |
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| 02:57.03 | jmcnaught | for example "apt-get install libx11-6:i386" |
| 02:57.36 | gmcastil | ah, i had tried that earlier, but didnt have it enabled...looks to be working now |
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| 02:57.37 | gmcastil | thanks |
| 02:57.46 | gmcastil | i'm sure my binary wont run yet, but this is progress |
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| 03:18.43 | Ellied | did sagemath just get removed from Testing? It wants to remove it along with a dist-upgrade. |
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| 03:20.37 | jmcnaught | Ellied: you can look it up on https://tracker.debian.org/ |
| 03:23.03 | Ellied | gotcha |
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| 03:27.20 | jair | Hello my debian family, I know this is related to the specific package vsftp |
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| 03:28.36 | jair | Here are the details >> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/3e46c8c1 and the logs >> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/87b3271e/ |
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| 03:28.49 | jair | any feedback will be appreciated |
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| 03:30.14 | jmcnaught | !ftp must die |
| 03:30.14 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html . The Debian project will cease offering mirrors via FTP on 2017-11-01 https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170425 |
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| 03:31.25 | jair | I appreciate your feedback and will definitely consider it |
| 03:31.55 | jair | jmcnaught: but it does not help at all with the current problem. thx |
| 03:32.13 | jmcnaught | jair: you said any feedback |
| 03:32.32 | jair | jmcnaught: your are right :) |
| 03:32.52 | jmcnaught | does the problem happen if you connect from localhost? |
| 03:33.06 | jair | jmcnaught: let me check |
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| 03:35.07 | jair | jmcnaught: I just get connection refused messages when trying to connect from the host itself |
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| 03:36.23 | jmcnaught | is vsftpd configured to refuse localhost, or is it bound to just one interface or something? I only suggested to see if perhaps something on your network is interfering |
| 03:36.57 | jmcnaught | it's probably something else, like implementation details between not-quite standarized protocol of using TLS with FTP |
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| 03:39.33 | jair | jmcnaught: right, this is what supposed to happen >> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4c692a93/ |
| 03:39.54 | jair | that is the good result from another vsftp server |
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| 03:44.11 | jmcnaught | that already looks pretty verbose. does anyone else have that gnutls error -15? from what I remember about ftp it was also more complicated than it should be to firewall it properly, especially if NAT is involved |
| 03:44.25 | jmcnaught | good luck, and hopefully some time soon you can switch to using sftp |
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| 03:45.19 | jair | jmcnaught: sftp will be different from vsftp over tls? |
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| 03:46.39 | jmcnaught | sftp uses openssh |
| 03:46.54 | jair | jmcnaught: ahhh like ssh |
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| 03:47.10 | jmcnaught | that is⦠openssh has a built-in sftp server, and the openssh also has an sftp client |
| 03:47.54 | jair | but isn't the point of ftp to transfer without encrypting the data I need to talk with the people I am working with, if they want somethign encrypted just use sftp |
| 03:47.57 | jair | of course |
| 03:49.13 | jmcnaught | sftp only encrypts the data in transit, not at rest. the user experience is exactly like using FTP |
| 03:49.24 | jmcnaught | except you can also use SSH keys for authentication |
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| 03:49.53 | cluelessperson | Hey guys, is there a way make an alias only run if the alias is JUST that one word? |
| 03:50.01 | cluelessperson | command NOT command arg arg arg |
| 03:51.53 | netvor | btw, for people who read backlog: my q has been answered at unix.se https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/386824/what-does-dh-usrlocal-actually-do |
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| 03:52.39 | tripkin | cluelessperson, I suspect that would largely depend on whether the original command requires the args. If it does, then the alias should include the default / desired args... |
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| 03:53.30 | jair | jmcnaught: thank you, the only different I noticed between both protocols is that ftp transfer was way faster than sftp or scp |
| 03:54.08 | jair | jmcnaught: and I guess it will make sense since the data has to be encrypted |
| 03:54.35 | cluelessperson | tripkin: hm. :/ |
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| 03:56.53 | tripkin | does the original command require args? |
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| 03:59.02 | cluelessperson | tripkin: yeah, but thanks |
| 03:59.04 | tripkin | Simply put, the alias is just a pointer to the original command with perhaps a shorter, easier to type, or easier to remember name.... |
| 04:00.17 | tripkin | In that case, "alias newname=originalcommand arg1 arg2 arg3" would let you use predefined arguments. You could even have a series of aliases with different arguments. |
| 04:01.04 | tripkin | .bashrc has an example of new aliases for ls using that scheme |
| 04:01.28 | tripkin | that is to say, ~/.bashrc |
| 04:01.41 | toruvinn | cluelessperson, so what shoul dhappen if you run `command arg' in such case? |
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| 04:03.32 | toruvinn | cluelessperson, i used to do things like that with functions, which in bash could look sorta like that: function something() { if [ $# -eq 0 ]; then echo doing things; else echo do-something-else-as-we-got-parameters; fi; } |
| 04:04.35 | toruvinn | cluelessperson, if you want to, for example, have a "ls" with default switches, something like function ls() { if [ $# -eq 0 ]; then ls -la; else /bin/ls "$@"; fi; } maybe? |
| 04:04.46 | toruvinn | er. /bin/ls -la ;-) |
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| 04:11.01 | somiaj | cluelessperson: almost sounds like an XY problem, maybe describe exactly what you are trying to achieve. |
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| 04:24.19 | pragomer | what would you recommend if I have the suspect my hdd had a hardware error: backblocks or smartctl -t long ? |
| 04:25.02 | cluelessperson | somiaj: sorry . I'm trying to setup a kiosk. The problem has become now, "when the user logs out of the terminal (with exit), how can I log them back in again" |
| 04:26.09 | cluelessperson | and I think I answered my question |
| 04:26.11 | cluelessperson | :P |
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| 04:26.36 | cluelessperson | pragomer: have backups so you don't care, watch for errors in smart status. :) |
| 04:27.17 | somiaj | cluelessperson: this might be able to be done with the display manager. There have been lots of different ways people have setup kiosks, maybe look up in google what people have done for ideas. |
| 04:27.45 | somiaj | I know displaymangers can autologin, wonder if they can (with out modification) relogin after a logout. |
| 04:28.08 | somiaj | cluelessperson: oh is this a console only kiosk? By termial do you mean console, or say xterm? |
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| 04:28.49 | pragomer | backups arent the problem. |
| 04:29.04 | cluelessperson | somiaj: I got it to auto login at the console login, then I set it to start a gui application automaticlaly at login, if the user wants to exit the gui and use the terminal they may. |
| 04:29.07 | pragomer | just want to know if the hdd is ok |
| 04:29.23 | cluelessperson | somiaj: it's a kiosk ram only live cd :) |
| 04:29.25 | cluelessperson | 220mb |
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| 04:32.52 | toruvinn | i much prefer smartctl -t long tbh. |
| 04:32.59 | toruvinn | sadly, he left already. |
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| 04:33.23 | toruvinn | in fact i consider running smartctl -t long at least every other month to be a good practice. |
| 04:33.42 | toruvinn | especially if you have WD drives or drives larger than 2TB. ;-p |
| 04:34.01 | SomDep5 | how set framebuffer up in Debian 9.1? To use, say 1024x768? "hwinfo --framebuffer" shows multiple options, but fbset says "open /dev/fb0: No such file or device". Suggestions? url ? |
| 04:35.23 | jair | hello jmcnaught found got the issue resolved |
| 04:35.42 | somiaj | SomDep5: framebuffers are partly things of the past, most modern video cards use a modesetting driver. Many modesetting drivers emulate some framebuffer settings. |
| 04:35.44 | jair | jmcnaught: the problem was on the new version of vsftp server |
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| 04:36.04 | somiaj | SomDep5: In most cases I suggest just changing the console font if you don't like the native resolution the modesetting driver is detecting for the mointor. |
| 04:36.23 | jair | a line >> allow_writeable_chroot=YES is needed |
| 04:36.31 | jair | jmcnaught: thank you though |
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| 04:38.25 | somiaj | SomDep5: do you know what video card/driver you are using? |
| 04:38.38 | SomDep5 | somiaj: Thanks :) Where should I look forr info on changing the fond? |
| 04:38.55 | somiaj | SomDep5: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
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| 04:39.07 | SomDep5 | somiaj: Gateway laptop w323-ui1 |
| 04:39.22 | somiaj | SomDep5: look at lspci to try to figure out the video card you have |
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| 04:41.48 | SomDep5 | somiaj: lspci: vga compatible controller, VIA Technologies, CN700/P4M800 ProP4M800 CE/VN800 Graphics [S3 UniChrome Pro] rev 01 |
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| 04:44.35 | somiaj | hmm, don't recongize that card, might want to see what video driver it is using. |
| 04:45.10 | SomDep5 | somiaj: how find vid driver? |
| 04:47.56 | somiaj | google, I'm getting it seems to use generic drivers, that dpkg-reconfigure command can reconfigure font size, but their may not be a framebuffer/kms driver for that card. |
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| 04:49.07 | SomDep5 | somiaj: I did get d-r c-s to use the 8x8 font, whichh is some progress :) |
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| 05:01.15 | SomDep5 | test |
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| 05:33.32 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 05:44.01 | veek | dig -4 @127.0.0.1 -p 5353 cyberspace.org ;; Truncated, retrying in TCP mode. |
| 05:44.17 | veek | why truncated..? i'm querying dnscrypt directly |
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| 05:44.50 | veek | my dns is broken but it was working so.. i think it's a server problem |
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| 05:51.37 | hans | i know ssh timeouts exist. but how do i lock my ssh sessions, e.g. lock after 900 second then reenter password to continue. i dont know i could measure the idle |
| 05:52.18 | hans | since i use ssh tunnels i would prefer locks instead of disconnects :o |
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| 05:55.47 | bolt | hans: why not just have your workstation lock itself entirely? |
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| 06:22.35 | rigel | what was that all about? k-lined after three dozen or so people privmsg'd me a link, all hosted on the same domain |
| 06:23.16 | rigel | that domain was clbin.com, and looking at the history lots of other people got booted as well |
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| 06:23.47 | rigel | this probably belongs on #freenode-help ot something, but that was weird/interesting |
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| 06:24.31 | th0r | rigel, you might want to consider umode +g |
| 06:25.33 | rigel | th0r: yeah, #freenode 's topic is suggesting setting +R. I didnt really think much about mode settings before. |
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| 06:26.18 | girrrrrrr2 | hi |
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| 06:27.20 | th0r | rigel, yeah, If I remember right +R blocks unregistered users, +g blocks everyone unless you specifically accept them |
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| 06:27.38 | `1c3p1ck` | hi |
| 06:28.08 | chalcedony | hello :) |
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| 06:46.50 | zaoqi | What's testing?deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 06:47.08 | pragomer | do I install grub into mbr or efi boot partition when doing an efi install? |
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| 06:48.10 | th0r | pragomer, where did #ubuntu tell you to up it? (btw, cross posting is discouraged) |
| 06:48.13 | Haohmaru | zaoqi, it's the code name for the current "testing" version of debian |
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| 06:49.24 | zaoqi | libpq5 stretch:9.6.4-0+deb9u1 testing:9.6.3-4+b1 |
| 06:50.46 | pragomer | only posted it to several channels becaus I am in a hurry continuing the installation and I am not really sure where to put grub *SORRY* |
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| 06:55.11 | obiwahn | I have a package that contains a config file next to {pre,post}{rm,inst} |
| 06:55.24 | obiwahn | it does not seem to be called by one of the four |
| 06:55.42 | obiwahn | and i can not spot such a file in the maintainer guide |
| 06:55.54 | obiwahn | i just wonder how it might be called. |
| 06:56.01 | obiwahn | or when |
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| 06:56.46 | obiwahn | https://github.com/arangodb/arangodb/blob/devel/Installation/debian/config.in |
| 06:58.20 | zaoqi | What is the difference between experimental, unstable and testing? |
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| 07:00.35 | Haohmaru | zaoqi, that's explained somewhere on the debian website |
| 07:01.04 | zaoqi | Where? |
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| 07:05.20 | jenenliu | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.26 | jenenliu | I've installed libprotobuf.so.9 |
| 07:05.30 | obiwahn | debconf-devel(7) |
| 07:05.32 | jenenliu | but I got this error : usr/bin/ld: warning: libprotobuf.so.9, may conflict with libprotobuf.so.10 |
| 07:05.35 | obiwahn | :) |
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| 07:05.47 | jenenliu | I try to uninstall libprotobuf.so.10, but seem they are bind with libprotobuf-dev and protobuf-compiler in debian |
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| 07:05.59 | jenenliu | how can I fix this ? |
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| 07:06.43 | iodev | jenenliu: you either remove all protobuf or nothing at all |
| 07:07.31 | jenenliu | iodev: yes, when I try to remove libprotobuf.so.10, then libprotobuf-dev will be remove |
| 07:08.10 | jenenliu | iodev: can't I just install libprotobuf.so.9 and their dependencies , without libprotobuf.so.10 ? |
| 07:08.15 | iodev | how did you install .9? |
| 07:08.20 | jenenliu | apt |
| 07:08.26 | iodev | package name pls |
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| 07:08.47 | jenenliu | libprotobuf9 |
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| 07:09.23 | jelly | zaoqi: as a first step, you can ask the bot about things, like this: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 07:09.24 | iodev | libprotobuf9 has nothing to do with libprotobuf-dev |
| 07:09.33 | iodev | you should install libprotobuf9-dev |
| 07:10.33 | jenenliu | iodev: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25337797/ |
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| 07:10.53 | jenenliu | this is what I got when I run 'apt-cache search libprotobuf' |
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| 07:11.58 | jenenliu | seem there is not libprotobuf9-dev package |
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| 07:15.17 | Snowdrift | hi, How to install mediatomb on debian 9? |
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| 07:16.09 | iodev | jenenliu: hmm, then leave it as is, it's after all 'may conflict' |
| 07:16.12 | iodev | (it may not) |
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| 07:17.15 | jenenliu | iodev: nope, when I uninstall libprotobuf10, my CMakeLists.txt just complains |
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| 07:17.54 | jenenliu | and I just can't link ok with this conflict |
| 07:18.10 | iodev | jenenliu: why don't you just upgrade your code to libprotobuf10 then |
| 07:18.37 | jenenliu | Hmm, it is wrote by others, and I just get the so lib |
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| 07:19.19 | iodev | jenenliu: what if you do a trick |
| 07:19.38 | iodev | uninstall libprotobuf9, and do a symbolic link to libprotobuf.so.10 |
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| 07:20.28 | jenenliu | iodev: how can I find where libprobotuf.so.10 is ? |
| 07:20.59 | iodev | just look in /lib64 or /usr/lib |
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| 07:21.18 | iodev | (/lib on 32-bit) |
| 07:23.59 | jenenliu | Hmm, seem there is not, I try to grep with proto and google |
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| 07:25.05 | iodev | jenenliu: nvm, it's in /usr/local/lib |
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| 07:25.54 | jenenliu | :( still not |
| 07:25.59 | jenenliu | but cmake can find it |
| 07:26.09 | jelly | ,file libprotobuf.so.10 --arch amd64 |
| 07:26.13 | judd | Search for libprotobuf.so.10 in stretch/amd64: libprotobuf10: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libprotobuf.so.10 |
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| 07:26.51 | iodev | ahh so it is in /usr/lib jenenliu |
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| 07:27.31 | jelly | not /usr/lib, /usr/lib/triplet-depending-on-architecture |
| 07:27.44 | jenenliu | yep, I see that |
| 07:28.00 | jenenliu | and I got this |
| 07:28.01 | jenenliu | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25337928/ |
| 07:28.25 | jenenliu | is it make a symbolic link really work ? |
| 07:29.03 | jelly | jenenliu: which debian release is this? |
| 07:32.08 | jenenliu | seems it is debian 9 |
| 07:33.03 | jenenliu | jelly |
| 07:33.04 | jelly | jenenliu: what does "lsb_release -sc" say |
| 07:33.22 | jenenliu | unstable |
| 07:33.56 | jelly | so it's something else, not debian 9 |
| 07:34.08 | jelly | jenenliu: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 07:34.37 | jelly | and output of "apt-cache policy show libprotobuf9 libprotobuf10" |
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| 07:37.06 | jenenliu | jelly: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25337973/ |
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| 07:37.27 | jenenliu | jelly: actually I am using deepin 15.4, which is based on debian =-= |
| 07:37.48 | jenenliu | deepin irc is almost dead, so I came to here |
| 07:38.35 | jelly | so you don't really have a Debian installation or repos, but a derivative |
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| 07:39.15 | jenenliu | yep, but please help ;( |
| 07:39.23 | jelly | jenenliu: I suggest installing Debian 9, then attempting to reproduce |
| 07:39.43 | jenenliu | what will you do if it is debian |
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| 07:40.06 | jelly | or ask in ##linux, this channel does not support derivatives (for a number of technical and social reasons) |
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| 07:41.57 | jelly | if it were Debian I'd try to figure out which version it was and which libs and versions were default, use those to build software from sources; then I'd ask details about the package that needs old library |
| 07:41.59 | MadCyber | Hello, everyone. I'm just moving from other linux system to Debian 9. Anyone can let me understand quickly on changing the configuration of GRUB? I found I am not able to locate the necessary configuration files like menu.lst ??? |
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| 07:42.11 | asterismo | hi im having an issue during install |
| 07:42.31 | asterismo | debian 9 on a panasonic toughbook cf-31 |
| 07:43.01 | jelly | MadCyber: grub2 has /boot/grub/grub.cfg, but it's generated automatically. See if editing /etc/default/grub and running update-grub afterwards is good enough for your needs |
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| 07:43.35 | asterismo | the installer starts to write random data for creating the encrypted LVM and after 1% the system reboots |
| 07:44.11 | asterismo | it happens with 2 ssds and with debian 8 and 9 |
| 07:44.19 | MadCyber | GRUB2? I see, seems I'm too old to catch it up. I'll try to learn it. Thanks jelly :) |
| 07:44.25 | asterismo | hardware problem? |
| 07:44.41 | jenenliu | jelly, thanks anyway |
| 07:44.58 | asterismo | running debian from the usb works fine |
| 07:45.25 | asterismo | the rpoblem is during the install |
| 07:45.57 | asterismo | i tried to pass some parameters like noapic acpi=off, etc but nothing |
| 07:46.10 | asterismo | any ideas? |
| 07:46.13 | jelly | asterismo: can you overwrite the same partition booted from a live usb, see if the same situation happens |
| 07:46.41 | asterismo | I can dd zeroes to the entire SDD with no problem |
| 07:47.37 | jelly | mmm, I do not know whether you can skip filling the luks backend device up in the installer |
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| 07:48.02 | asterismo | the system crashes |
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| 07:48.39 | asterismo | if i install with no encryption the system crashes during copying files |
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| 07:49.59 | jelly | that's interesting, how old is the machine and how old the ssd? Perhaps there's an incompatibility somewhere there (that magically does not happen when you write zeros, ssd firmware may optimize those out) |
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| 07:50.30 | asterismo | machine is core i5 from 2013 - 2014 |
| 07:50.35 | asterismo | ssd is new |
| 07:51.12 | asterismo | it seems like some sort of overflow |
| 07:51.19 | jelly | 2013 is reltively recent, ssd is SATA or mSATA or m.2 format? |
| 07:51.29 | asterismo | sata |
| 07:52.03 | asterismo | kingston hyper fury 240gb |
| 07:52.20 | jelly | and in bios, sata controller is in AHCI / native mode? |
| 07:52.37 | asterismo | i tried ahci and compatible |
| 07:52.52 | asterismo | should i leave at compatible? |
| 07:53.04 | jelly | are you on battery or AC power? |
| 07:53.08 | asterismo | ac |
| 07:53.44 | jelly | that maybe excludes power issues. You might try doing it on battery power, see if there's any difference |
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| 07:54.20 | asterismo | ok |
| 07:54.31 | asterismo | and what can else could it be? |
| 07:55.07 | asterismo | boot parameters for test? |
| 07:55.17 | jelly | who knows, kernel issue on specific hardware |
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| 07:57.21 | jelly | one thing you might do is connect the ssd to a different system and install debian there |
| 07:57.48 | asterismo | yeah i thought that would work |
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| 07:58.14 | jelly | driver issues can be fixed afterwards; still you might find the same crash happens in normal work after it's installed |
| 07:58.25 | g0zzy | When you install hplip, it contains Python script hp-setup (link to). Does that have to be run explicitly or is it run IMplicitly by, say system-config-printer? |
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| 07:59.06 | asterismo | thanks jelly |
| 07:59.44 | jelly | g0zzy: I think you run it as a helper after you first connect a hp printer model. Are there any docs in /usr/share/doc/hplip/ directory? |
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| 08:00.03 | g0zzy | I'll take a look |
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| 08:08.31 | g0zzy | jelly: Thanks. I needed to install hplip-doc, although it doesn't answer my initial question ;) I think that is answered by 'yes' |
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| 08:16.02 | Iridos | what is the command-line tool to see what outgoing connections happen |
| 08:16.20 | Iridos | ethsnoop or so? |
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| 08:24.29 | g0zzy | Well there's wireshark but that might be overkill |
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| 08:25.44 | joze | netstat? |
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| 08:26.51 | OliverUK | Hiya, asking because of my limited knowledge of Linux based OS's, we have a program that runs on CentOS, I am more familiar with Debian based systems but the supplier of the software claims it will not run on Debian, only CentOS, could this be true or is it more likely that they prefer CentOS? |
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| 08:27.14 | OliverUK | Thanks in advance :-) |
| 08:28.08 | Snowdrift | hi, How to make mediatomb on debian 9? |
| 08:28.20 | bolt | OliverUK: it depends on the program, really. you could give it a shot, but if you want support from your supplier, running it on a non-supported os is probably not your best call |
| 08:28.20 | iodev | what exactly is the difference between suspend & hibernate? |
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| 08:28.27 | iodev | is suspend a low power state? |
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| 08:29.01 | bolt | iodev: suspend generally saves state to ram. hibernate generally saves state to disk and turns off. |
| 08:30.07 | iodev | bolt: it's very quick resume |
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| 08:30.35 | iodev | yeah save to ram is good, what if batt runs out? |
| 08:30.58 | bolt | iodev: roughly the same as simply pulling the battery |
| 08:31.20 | iodev | so it crashes? |
| 08:32.13 | bolt | iodev: well, it will have to boot again. any data stored in program memory will be lost. file systems should be fine, as they're synced beforehand, but if something was not yet saved to disk, or was loaded, deleted, and about to be saved, that will be gone |
| 08:32.15 | Antares | Sveta gry ÑÑ ÑÑÑ Ð±Ð»ÐµÐ´Ð¸Ð½Ð°? |
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| 08:32.21 | bolt | !ru |
| 08:32.22 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 08:32.47 | iodev | what if he/she is Bulgarian? |
| 08:33.03 | bolt | then they should still get the point, i believe |
| 08:33.45 | OliverUK | bolt: Sure, thanks :-) |
| 08:34.28 | bolt | OliverUK: personally, I would install such an application on a virtual machine with nothing else on it, call it a black box, keep up with security updates, and don't worry about it |
| 08:34.39 | iodev | maybe, they got different words, but same russian alphabet |
| 08:34.39 | bolt | OliverUK: run your other stuff on a platform you're comfortable with |
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| 08:35.08 | OliverUK | bolt: That's exactly what we're already doing :-) |
| 08:35.33 | OliverUK | I was more interested WHY something might not run |
| 08:35.40 | OliverUK | Just for knowledge |
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| 08:37.25 | bolt | OliverUK: it might not run because of dependencies on specific libraries that are unavailable, because paths to programs used in scripts might be different, because it contains kernel modules precompiled against centos kernels, because it expects differently named devices or interfaces, or any number of other reasons |
| 08:37.58 | bolt | OliverUK: many of which can be beaten a few times with a sledgehammer to get something running, but then again support will be an issue |
| 08:38.07 | OliverUK | Cool |
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| 08:38.20 | OliverUK | Is this mostly poor development then? |
| 08:39.02 | bolt | OliverUK: depends on the specs, i guess. making something work on multiple platforms takes time, and time is, generally, money |
| 08:39.59 | OliverUK | Cool |
| 08:40.21 | bolt | OliverUK: even in an open source community-based project, time may not be money, but it's still limited, and you'd often rather prioritize bugfixes and features over extended compatibility |
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| 08:41.50 | jelly | OliverUK: limiting the number of supported platforms is not necessarily a sign of bad development, but constrained resources |
| 08:42.07 | jelly | slow |
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| 08:42.57 | bolt | viscous :) |
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| 09:30.11 | g0zzy | Iridos: i have tried to run netstat in batch mode in the past for that use case, but was not convinced |
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| 09:30.47 | g0zzy | (for one thing, you have to do a logical or actual diff and that's messy |
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| 09:35.04 | API | Hi |
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| 09:42.32 | Iridos | g0zzy, I finally used tcpdump and just filtered out my incoming ssh connection and arp stuff⦠|
| 09:42.44 | Iridos | don't think netstat would have shown the short connection I was looking for |
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| 09:50.26 | Rico | hi |
| 09:50.47 | Rico | can anybody tell me what is wrong here ? http://fpaste.scsys.co.uk/564891 |
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| 09:50.56 | Rico | it seem to work on debian 8 but not on debian 9 |
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| 09:57.32 | alwyn | How come when I run unattended-upgrade it is so much slower than just doing apt-get upgrade? I'm testing it at the moment but it seems so slow :D |
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| 10:12.05 | sharp15 | is stretch/9 considered stable at this point? |
| 10:12.52 | Ormu | yes |
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| 10:13.19 | Iridos | is there any way to search for text in the scrollback of an lxterminal? |
| 10:13.32 | sharp15 | Ormu: thanks. |
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| 10:23.39 | amd_0x51 | Iridos, ctrl+shift+f |
| 10:23.41 | amd_0x51 | > |
| 10:23.43 | amd_0x51 | ? |
| 10:25.58 | amd_0x51 | it is better to use grep though if you know you're going to need to find something |
| 10:26.29 | Ormu | at least Xfce terminal allows searching (shift+ctrl+f), not sure about LXterminal. And I agree about grep |
| 10:28.21 | amd_0x51 | coul you also pipe the output somewhere and then you can freely search that when all the commands are ran? |
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| 10:29.08 | nadersith | good morning |
| 10:29.22 | sharp15 | is 'jessie-updates' considered 'stable specific'? i'm reading 'dpkg jessie->stretch' from the topic. |
| 10:31.13 | amd_0x51 | old-stable if I am not mistaken? SOmeone with more knowledge will help soon |
| 10:31.21 | amd_0x51 | !dpkg jessie-updates |
| 10:31.21 | dpkg | jessie-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates will be included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <jessie/updates> which is for <security> updates. |
| 10:31.28 | amd_0x51 | check that ^ |
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| 10:35.54 | Rico | can anybody tell me why this is not working in debian 9 (postfix 3) ? http://fpaste.scsys.co.uk/564891 |
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| 10:40.37 | ChrisH | Debian Jessie http://paste.debian.net/981951/ Could this be anything else but a failing disk? smartctl still shows passed |
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| 10:53.45 | g0zzy | ChrisH: Smart is dumb. Much better to use manufacturer's diagnostics. http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ is your friend |
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| 11:01.59 | Ormu | shouldn't SMART, at least certain parts of it, be quite well standardized? |
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| 11:03.08 | Ormu | the SMART tests may not be very reliable, check the attributes instead |
| 11:03.20 | Ormu | smartctl -a /dev/sdX |
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| 11:11.47 | g0zzy | I've had many disks passed by smart that were fscked (in both senses) |
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| 11:16.05 | toruvinn | g0zzy, SMART long test? |
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| 11:23.09 | g0zzy | iirc yes, even that |
| 11:23.53 | g0zzy | And of course its output is massively opaque and full of info you don't normally want to know |
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| 11:28.35 | lone-wolf | Why show permission denied if are -rwxrwxrwx? http://i.imgur.com/N3MVNPa.png http://i.imgur.com/9MDFoKU.png http://i.imgur.com/AxEYIPt.png |
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| 11:29.21 | Ormu | mounted read-only? just my 2cents |
| 11:30.30 | Ormu | oh wait |
| 11:30.40 | lone-wolf | but are rwxrwxrwx |
| 11:31.06 | Ormu | if ../ (the parent folder) doesn't have write permission, you can't copy into it |
| 11:32.46 | lone-wolf | It has drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 ago 13 22:59 www |
| 11:32.55 | lone-wolf | I are root |
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| 11:36.57 | lone-wolf | lol i though that i are in ##php |
| 11:36.59 | lone-wolf | lol |
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| 11:43.19 | tdn | What service monitoring system do you recommend for Debian? (alternatives to Nagios) |
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| 11:47.20 | wytchmaster | check_mk |
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| 11:47.57 | wytchmaster | Maybe the version included in http://omdistro.org/ |
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| 11:48.59 | nadersith | do someone know if gvfs recently started failing with NFS and Thunar/pcmanfm/etc? |
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| 11:49.04 | nadersith | (buster/testing) |
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| 11:49.36 | nadersith | I'm not able to mount NFS shares described in /etc/fstab from the GUI file manager |
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| 11:49.43 | nadersith | I can mount them from the terminal, though |
| 11:49.44 | jelly | tdn: how many systems do you have? What wrong with Nagios? |
| 11:49.58 | jelly | accidentally the verb |
| 11:50.04 | true_dat | hello. I installed Debian 9 and I can't change the resolution. Tried with xrandr too, didn't work. My GPU is Radeon r7 250x |
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| 11:51.15 | amd_0x51 | hmmm. HTTPS everywhere seems to have updated outside of tor browser |
| 11:51.21 | amd_0x51 | tis broken |
| 11:51.34 | towo^work | true_dat, install firmware-amd-graphics |
| 11:51.42 | amd_0x51 | wrong channel |
| 11:51.43 | amd_0x51 | sorry |
| 11:52.02 | true_dat | towo^work: it's the non-free firmware? Isn't there any free firmware I can try? |
| 11:52.11 | towo^work | true_dat, no |
| 11:52.26 | towo^work | for radeon you need that non-free firmware |
| 11:52.35 | true_dat | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.55 | amd_0x51 | you don't pay for non-free software |
| 11:53.13 | true_dat | I mean free as in freedom |
| 11:53.32 | true_dat | Debian is free but yet I need non free software to be able to use it |
| 11:53.39 | towo^work | for years, the firmware was in rom, no one cares about that non-free blob |
| 11:53.48 | true_dat | I know this isn't Debian's fault |
| 11:53.50 | amd_0x51 | no. you need non-free firmware to run your graphics |
| 11:54.18 | true_dat | I see, are there GPUs that don't need non-free firmware? |
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| 11:55.10 | towo^work | true_dat, intel before skylake |
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| 11:56.08 | true_dat | only intel GPUs? That sucks. Looks like I will have to keep using non-free software for some time, but I'm curious isn't there anything anyone can do about it in the future? |
| 11:57.14 | amd_0x51 | sure! If these companies want to start handing out their source code ;D |
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| 11:57.40 | towo^work | i'm sure, they won't do that |
| 11:57.44 | amd_0x51 | exactly |
| 11:57.48 | true_dat | shame :/ so it's impossible to reverse enginner like people did with some drivers? |
| 11:58.11 | towo^work | i don't see tzhe really problem with that firmware |
| 11:58.16 | true_dat | also after I install the firmware I will need to install drivers after? |
| 11:58.34 | amd_0x51 | it's all on the graphics part of the debian wiki |
| 11:58.41 | towo^work | true_dat, no, the drivers are preinstalled |
| 11:58.51 | true_dat | ok thanks |
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| 11:59.06 | true_dat | I wouldn't have the problem with this firmware, but this is a matter of priciples |
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| 11:59.26 | true_dat | but I have no other choice for now but to use it |
| 11:59.36 | true_dat | I have one more question: why isn't sudo installed on Debian? |
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| 11:59.48 | amd_0x51 | read the release notes for stretch |
| 12:00.50 | Ani- | true_dat, u can install it and put user in sudo group |
| 12:00.53 | true_dat | this is a pretty big document https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/index |
| 12:00.59 | true_dat | where should I look exactly? |
| 12:01.15 | towo^work | sudo is installed |
| 12:01.17 | true_dat | Ani-: oh ok, but I'm still curious why it isn't installed by default |
| 12:01.30 | towo^work | but not configured if you have set a root passwort in the installer |
| 12:01.40 | true_dat | oooh |
| 12:01.58 | true_dat | for me it just says command not fount |
| 12:02.00 | true_dat | *found |
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| 12:02.58 | true_dat | shouldn't it be configured by default? isn't it safer than switching to root? |
| 12:03.18 | Ani- | in terminal su to get root |
| 12:03.24 | Ormu | i see no difference in security, except that it reduces the possibility of accidentally using root |
| 12:03.35 | towo^work | sudo is never safer than su |
| 12:04.03 | true_dat | I thought it was safer to use root just one time for one command |
| 12:04.17 | Ani- | su -c may be |
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| 12:04.30 | Penix | does any distro automatically add user(s) to sudoers? |
| 12:04.36 | Ormu | Ubuntu? |
| 12:04.42 | true_dat | yeah Ubuntu does |
| 12:05.05 | bezaban | Some others ask you during install too, centos iirc |
| 12:05.15 | Ani- | true_dat, apt install sudo then gpassword -a username sudo |
| 12:05.28 | true_dat | Ani-: thanks! |
| 12:05.28 | Ani- | logout login to get sudo work |
| 12:05.53 | Penix | I can see a case for prompting to add the user created at install-time, but anything doesn't make sense |
| 12:06.14 | true_dat | thanks for the answers everyone |
| 12:06.17 | true_dat | have a nice day! |
| 12:06.30 | amd_0x51 | you too |
| 12:06.36 | Ani- | lol |
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| 12:06.50 | Ani- | bit late amd_0x51 |
| 12:06.59 | amd_0x51 | I'm sorry? |
| 12:07.20 | Ani- | he already quit |
| 12:07.28 | amd_0x51 | oh I didn't see lol |
| 12:07.28 | amd_0x51 | my bad |
| 12:09.37 | tdn | jelly, 5-10 systems |
| 12:10.52 | Ani- | scroll the chat section ? tdn |
| 12:11.01 | tdn | jelly, nothings really wrong with nagios. It just looks very "old". It has been a few years since I worked with it but at that time it was a rather complex to configure. |
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| 12:11.15 | jelly | Penix: d-i does it as a side effect for the initial user, if you leave root password blank at install time |
| 12:14.35 | Penix | huh, cool. don't think I've ever tried setting a blank root passwd. "til" |
| 12:15.22 | Ani- | i did once had to use singleuser mode to set a password again |
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| 12:16.38 | thnee | wasnt there a docker.io package in standard debian repos for a while? it does not seem to be there anymore in testing. |
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| 12:18.58 | arturo | thnee: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/docker.io |
| 12:19.08 | arturo | currently living in unstable and stable-bpo |
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| 12:26.54 | Walex | tdn: there are bad/complicated ways of configuring Nagios/Icinga and there is one good way which is robust and easy and flexible: |
| 12:26.58 | Walex | tdn: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/13-one.html?130404#130404 |
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| 12:35.31 | thnee | arturo: huh ok I was almost certain I had installed it on Jessie or something. |
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| 12:36.50 | thnee | but if it is in backports, shouldnt it be in testing by definition? |
| 12:37.40 | arturo | thnee: probably yes. Don't know if it was removed for any reason. Anyway is in unstable, so migration to testing should happen eventually at some point |
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| 12:39.05 | thnee | I see, thanks |
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| 12:40.24 | thnee | how could one track down the reason for it being removed, if that was the case? |
| 12:40.44 | arturo | reading the news section |
| 12:40.58 | arturo | thnee for example https://tracker.debian.org/news/804615 |
| 12:41.40 | arturo | it seems it was removed by the time of the Stretch stable release due to some bugs |
| 12:42.11 | arturo | but the unstable version seems more or less updated, so it should appear in testing at some point |
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| 12:44.13 | thnee | hm I really dont understand that news item at all :) but ok |
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| 12:47.06 | tdn | Walex, I was looking at Icinga, however, I am not sure how good an idea it is to use the debian provided packages? Would you recommend that? The GEtting Started guide on Icinga website does not seem to work with debian provided icinga packages |
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| 12:55.25 | fly_agaric | hello, i added the parameter kvm-intel.nested=1 in /etc/default/grub then said update-grub after reboot the system says grub> recovery console |
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| 12:56.24 | fly_agaric | can someone help? |
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| 12:59.14 | rotaticus | i'd suppose to go and seek the problem with a live system and a working chroot |
| 12:59.44 | Antares | http://forum.rexant.org.ru/Aria.torrent Aria (46 CD) [1985 - 2015], FLAC (image+.cue), lossless |
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| 13:05.51 | fly_agaric | i dont have a live cd how can i repair with built in tools? |
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| 13:10.22 | rotaticus | build-in tools? like tab-completion in grub? formulate the kernel and the initrd lines by guessing parameters |
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| 13:19.53 | jhutchins | rotaticus: Why did you add that parameter? What happens if you remove it? |
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| 13:21.48 | fly_agaric | jhutchins: i cant i want nested virtualization |
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| 13:22.09 | fly_agaric | install a windows hyper-v guest and create vms inside |
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| 13:51.49 | Haohmaru | how do i add myself to the "dialout" user group, so that this takes effect immediately? |
| 13:52.04 | Haohmaru | i don't want to have to log-out/reboot |
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| 13:54.56 | Haohmaru | ah, the wiki says that it will take effect on next login.. blah |
| 13:55.10 | Haohmaru | does logging out of the desktop environment count? |
| 13:55.15 | jelly | Haohmaru: no way. You can "log in" again via su or ssh. |
| 13:55.18 | jelly | yes. |
| 13:56.09 | g0zzy | I used to think that the desktop installed didn't make a big difference to system performance. I do now. I just installed Mate on an old Thinkpad T42. I don't like the look of LXDE - any recommendations for a lightweight de? |
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| 13:56.34 | Haohmaru | lxde, xfce.. |
| 13:56.41 | Haohmaru | maybe lxqt |
| 13:57.32 | Ani- | razorqt |
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| 14:02.07 | dury | hi there channel :-) |
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| 14:05.42 | dury | anyone upgrade to stretch? |
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| 14:06.49 | Ormu | if MATE isn't lightweight enough, I'd switch to some plain WM, e.g. IceWM |
| 14:07.37 | Ormu | instead of LXDE, plain Openbox with good theme might be a good choice too. |
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| 14:08.17 | glaucom | hi all... |
| 14:08.27 | glaucom | i have nvidia gt740m |
| 14:08.45 | glaucom | i install apt-get update nvidia-drivers , reboot and show |
| 14:09.31 | jelly | glaucom: that's does not look like a valid apt-get command |
| 14:09.36 | jelly | !nvidia dkms |
| 14:09.36 | Ormu | this is a bit old but see the chart at the end anyway: https://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/a-memory-comparison-of-light-linux-desktops/ |
| 14:09.36 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 14:09.37 | glaucom | http://imgur.com/a/ssfQf |
| 14:09.53 | dury | Ormu, are you using old computer? |
| 14:10.20 | Ormu | dury: depends on what is "old", sometimes i'm using a computer from 2004 or 2005 |
| 14:10.22 | glaucom | ? |
| 14:10.29 | Ormu | Fedora + LXDE on that computer |
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| 14:11.41 | jimmy_ | hi there all |
| 14:11.41 | Ormu | I *guess* that there isn't big difference in CPU/GPU usage between those non-fancy, non-compositing desktops/WMs... just my 2cents |
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| 14:16.34 | dury | success :-) in stretch |
| 14:17.17 | dury | elementary level I could say, though |
| 14:17.57 | dury | getting steady higher |
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| 14:19.17 | dury | Ormu, 2005 computer is it old for you? |
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| 14:23.14 | g0zzy | Is xfce that much lighter than Mate |
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| 14:24.21 | dury | g0zzy, I would say no |
| 14:25.17 | CeBe | hi, whats the proper way of installing npm (nodejs package manager) on debian stretch? could not find anything in the wiki and no instructions I googled seem working. |
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| 14:25.31 | CeBe | there is an npm package in jessie and sid, but not in stretch... |
| 14:26.07 | g0zzy | has never seen lxqt |
| 14:27.30 | th0r | g0zzy, I have used xfce on old computers for decades. If you don't load it down with compositing and such, it has been my experience that there aren't any decent desktops that perform better |
| 14:29.00 | g0zzy | th0r: Thanks. That's my normal de too |
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| 14:29.39 | th0r | g0zzy, I run xfce on two raspberry pi's as well and find the performance competes with my dell 430. |
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| 14:36.54 | donofrio | anyone know where I would go to find my fidonet is from 1989? region 11 313 area code starfleet was my sysop handle..... |
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| 14:38.38 | mandeep | what's the trick to get a pain free dist-upgrade? |
| 14:38.58 | nvz | read the release notes |
| 14:39.30 | donofrio | mandeep, there is no painless way, it's linux - lol |
| 14:39.37 | Ormu | g0zzy: according to the test i linked (which is a few years old, however), MATE consumes less memory than Xfce. Both are pretty lightweight and full-featured desktops. |
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| 14:40.25 | donofrio | Ormu, really always thought xfce was the lightest (of the mainstream DE's) |
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| 14:41.32 | th0r | g0zzy, here's a unique idea. Why don't you install both and see which one works better for you? |
| 14:42.10 | nvz | th0r: yeah, thats some pretty revolutionary thinking there, you're way ahead of your time. |
| 14:43.45 | th0r | nvz, well, we could sit here and debate if it is quicker to waste ram and read from memory, or to read directly from the hard drive. But I think my suggestion avoids a lot of 'my dad can beat up your dad' |
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| 14:44.57 | nvz | th0r: yeah, but for the record your dad can't beat up my dad, cause my dad can run pretty fast :P |
| 14:45.25 | th0r | :) |
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| 14:47.21 | crazyb0y | again on the wave =) |
| 14:47.37 | JohnA | Just did an update on 1 of my serversand wound up with xen! what does xen buy me? |
| 14:49.12 | nvz | JohnA: its not a currency, its a hypervisor, it doesn't buy you anything, it abstracts hardware to run multiple OS simultaneously |
| 14:49.41 | nvz | the Yen is a currency :P |
| 14:50.32 | fly_agaric | how can i check if my linux guest supports nested virtualization? |
| 14:51.16 | fly_agaric | here they say https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_enable_nested_virtualization_in_KVM i should run virt-host-validate on my client but i dont use fedore iam using debian |
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| 14:51.27 | fly_agaric | is there a package named virt-host-validate? |
| 14:51.41 | JohnA | nvz, OK I knew that!!! What i trying to find out is do I need it, for running a server - email( postfix/dovecot/amavis-new), apache2 (webdav, davical) |
| 14:52.28 | JohnA | nvz, is there any advantage or does it just add a layer of complexity |
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| 14:53.04 | bongo | sygic |
| 14:53.16 | nvz | JohnA: probably not. Its most commonly used where you want to offer a VPS where there will be multiple users each running their own web,mail,etc services on their own OS all on the same machine |
| 14:53.30 | bongo | windows |
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| 14:54.23 | nvz | JohnA: it does absolutely nothing unless you actually have multiple systems running on top of it |
| 14:55.04 | JohnA | nvz, So essentially for what I am doing not needed? |
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| 14:55.58 | nvz | JohnA: probably not. unless you're as I said going to offer seperate virtual servers to seperate clients ont the same machine |
| 14:57.07 | JohnA | nvz, no just a family server. so I will look at removing it from my system - for some reason the last updated added. Thanks |
| 14:57.50 | nvz | fly_agaric: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_enable_nested_virtualization_in_KVM |
| 14:58.16 | nvz | says to chec /sys/ not to run some command |
| 14:58.17 | deepy | fly_agaric: you can use apt-file and search for virt-host-validate |
| 14:58.26 | JohnA | nvz, thanks for the input? |
| 14:58.45 | deepy | JohnA: are you hosting the hardware yourself? |
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| 14:59.00 | fly_agaric | deepy: how can i run apt-file |
| 14:59.20 | deepy | Becuase otherwise the package you got might be xen utils for things running /in/ xen, in which case you do want to keep it |
| 14:59.32 | nvz | fly_agaric: you can also use packages.debian.org which has a web based search of package contents |
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| 15:03.19 | amd_0x51 | Hi guys, I am running Jessie and have been encountering errors with network-manager. Namely nm-applet, which segfaults after a log out/reboot or even sometimes a complete shutdown and start up. |
| 15:03.51 | somiaj | amd_0x51: are you running pure jessie, or jessie + jessie-backports (or other third party stuff)? |
| 15:04.08 | amd_0x51 | I went to file a bug but it told me my network-manager is out of date. but packages.deb tells me 0.9.10.0-7 |
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| 15:04.18 | somiaj | ,v network-manager |
| 15:04.19 | judd | Package: network-manager on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.4.0-10; jessie: 0.9.10.0-7; stretch: 1.6.2-3; sid: 1.8.2-1; buster: 1.8.2-1 |
| 15:04.38 | amd_0x51 | okay so I should file the bug report? |
| 15:04.40 | somiaj | amd_0x51: can you paste the output of apt-cache policy and the output of apt-cache policy network-manager at paste.debian.net |
| 15:04.42 | fly_agaric | nvz: ok thanks apt-file did it |
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| 15:06.09 | fly_agaric | so the nested hardware virtualization check on my debian guest passed, but iam unable to install hyper-v on my server 2016 |
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| 15:07.54 | amd_0x51 | somiaj, https://paste.debian.net/hidden/178d4511/ |
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| 15:08.47 | amd_0x51 | someone advised me the othe day to update it via backports but that told me I alreayd have the latest version. Which would match the version on packages.debian |
| 15:09.12 | amd_0x51 | I just need to know if I should file the bug report as someone else suggested I should if I get anymore segfualts from nm-applet |
| 15:09.25 | somiaj | amd_0x51: notice the apt-cache policy network-manager, that says there is not network-manager package avaialble from jessie backports |
| 15:09.46 | amd_0x51 | yeah seen now. |
| 15:09.50 | somiaj | amd_0x51: I am surprised you are getting segfaults, could ti be a kernel issue? Are you running a backported kernel? Does your hardware work with the stock 3.16 kernel in jessie? |
| 15:10.11 | amd_0x51 | I do have linux headers installed for vbox? |
| 15:10.25 | somiaj | amd_0x51: I'm surprised (unless you have some hardware issue with your network/wifi) you are getting segfaults in jessie that often, but it could be something with a backported kernel. |
| 15:10.37 | somiaj | amd_0x51: the headers won't ahve an affect on this, uname -a, what kernel are you running? |
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| 15:10.52 | amd_0x51 | they come and go. SOmetimes if I log out and back in again it wont work, or if i reboot |
| 15:11.00 | amd_0x51 | just now it happened after a complete shutdown and restart |
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| 15:11.25 | amd_0x51 | from dmesg nm-applet[1910]: segfault at c ip 08072ef9 sp bf9cf714 error 4 in nm-applet[8048000+59000] |
| 15:11.41 | amd_0x51 | which is also on a few gnome and ubuntu bug lists but they have all been fixed |
| 15:12.04 | amd_0x51 | I did think that it might be because I am using MATE and n-m is a gnome feature? |
| 15:12.25 | somiaj | amd_0x51: report a bug, but I'm surprised that it wasn't fixed in jessie unless it is something to do with your paticular hardware. You could also use wicd or some other tool to manage your network, may not be ideal, but if you are getting segfaults you could try that. |
| 15:13.00 | somiaj | amd_0x51: mate is basically gnome, and n-m works with non gnome desktops, it is either a bug in network-manager that affects your paticular setup, or something with your hardware, one way to try to test things is use wicd or another tool to manage your network |
| 15:13.03 | amd_0x51 | I just like the ease and look of nm-applet that is all. It never faults when I am using gnome classic or another session |
| 15:13.12 | somiaj | anyways I gotta jet, you should report a bug, unsure why reportbug is saying the packge is outdated |
| 15:13.18 | amd_0x51 | thanks a lot my friend |
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| 15:22.19 | fly_agaric | where can i update to kernel 4.10 in debian without compiling |
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| 15:22.47 | fly_agaric | compile a new kernel by hand takes hours |
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| 15:24.35 | daishun | Can someone tell me... When running software-properties-gtk. On the main tab under 'Debian Software' there are 4 checkable options for sources downloaded from the internet. The option for source code cannot be checked. It can either be unchecked or have a horizontal - in the box. How is the dash different from a checkmark? |
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| 15:25.47 | avu | fly_agaric: stretch-backports has 4.11 (as does testing) |
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| 15:32.49 | jhutchins_wk | fly_agaric: Compiling shouldn't take hours on amd64 hardware. |
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| 15:33.10 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 15:33.12 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.13.0-rc5-686 (4.13~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.11.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.11.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: |
| 15:33.13 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2) |
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| 15:33.38 | fly_agaric | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-image-4.11.0-0.bpo.1-amd64: linux-image-4.11.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 depends on linux-base (>= 4.3~); however: Version of linux-base on system is 3.5 |
| 15:33.38 | dpkg | fly_agaric: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>. |
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| 15:37.14 | fly_agaric | dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-image-4.11.0-0.bpo.1-amd64: linux-image-4.11.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 depends on linux-base (>= 4.3~); however: Version of linux-base on system is 3.5 |
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| 15:39.07 | jhutchins_wk | fly_agaric: You are not on current stretch. |
| 15:39.07 | jelly | fly_agaric: which debian release are you using? |
| 15:39.23 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 15:39.23 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 15:39.36 | jelly | fly_agaric: ^^ can you provide all that info? |
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| 15:40.40 | jhutchins_wk | ,v linux-base |
| 15:40.42 | judd | An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 15:40.43 | fly_agaric | debian 8 |
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| 15:41.21 | jhutchins_wk | fly_agaric: You know what happens when you mix packages from different releases, don't you? |
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| 15:41.47 | fly_agaric | jhutchins_wk: yes i mixed ubuntu and debian at some time |
| 15:41.59 | fly_agaric | jhutchins_wk: the system did not respond anymore :) |
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| 15:42.29 | jelly | grabbing jsut a new kernel can _sometimes_ be done without a lot of hurt, but not always |
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| 15:43.17 | jelly | waits for all the info before giving any further suggestions |
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| 15:44.24 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: judd is asleep right now, unscheduled downtime |
| 15:44.36 | fly_agaric | well normally if i compile inside debian 8 the update would be successfull |
| 15:44.43 | fly_agaric | but it just takes a long time |
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| 15:49.44 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 15:49.45 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.13.0-rc5-686 (4.13~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.11.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.11.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae |
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| 15:49.54 | jelly | there we go |
| 15:50.14 | acos-2 | oi |
| 15:50.36 | jelly | oi oi |
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| 15:53.01 | daishun | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.23 | daishun | in /etc/apt/sources.list there is "debian stretch" and "debian stretch-updates" |
| 15:53.27 | daishun | what is the difference? |
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| 15:54.51 | jmcnaught | !stretch-updates |
| 15:54.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, stretch-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from stretch-updates will be included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <stretch/updates> which is for <security> updates. |
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| 15:59.31 | daishun | so if I remove stretch-updates then my system would not update its packages (other than security updates) until debian 9.2 or whaterver is next? |
| 16:00.24 | jmcnaught | yeah |
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| 16:00.46 | daishun | ok, makes sense, thanks |
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| 16:06.15 | daishun | I have another stupid question: When running apt update what is the difference between InRelease and Release? |
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| 16:18.59 | kryl | hi, do you know how to record a terminal for a tutorial ? I want to show all command I'm typing etc... |
| 16:19.30 | jmcnaught | kryl: try the script command |
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| 16:20.07 | kryl | jmcnaught, alright thank you |
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| 16:25.06 | Walakea | looks like my hostname is getting renamed to "debdebian-gnu-linux-9-stretch-64-bitian" on each boot |
| 16:25.22 | Walakea | instead of "debian" as i wished |
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| 16:26.48 | dondelelcaro | Walakea: what do you have in /etc/hostname? |
| 16:27.17 | Walakea | the long form |
| 16:27.29 | dondelelcaro | Walakea: it should just be the hostname, not the FQDN |
| 16:27.41 | Walakea | what is that? |
| 16:28.00 | dondelelcaro | Walakea: debian |
| 16:28.13 | Walakea | FQDN |
| 16:28.15 | dondelelcaro | !FQDN |
| 16:28.15 | dpkg | fqdn is, like, Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
| 16:28.28 | Iridos | kryl, possibly https://asciinema.org/ |
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| 16:28.39 | Walakea | ok, i will change it, thanks for help |
| 16:29.00 | dondelelcaro | Walakea: but that might not fix the whole issue; it looks like something is sticking hostinformation in there as well |
| 16:29.09 | dondelelcaro | Walakea: which I've personally never seen |
| 16:29.22 | mamad | Hi can anybody explain how nsswitch work and what is it relation with other tools or suggest some good reference ? |
| 16:29.23 | Walakea | it started 3 days ago |
| 16:29.39 | kryl | Iridos, is it possible to use a "private" hosting instead of asciicinema for videos? :-) |
| 16:29.45 | dondelelcaro | Walakea: what does hostnamectl; say? |
| 16:30.07 | mamad | Like how pam and nsswitch work with pam ? |
| 16:30.13 | Walakea | the only anomaly i see is: |
| 16:30.13 | Walakea | Pretty hostname: debDebian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) 64-bitian |
| 16:30.30 | jmcnaught | Walakea: is cloud-init installed? |
| 16:30.43 | Walakea | my OS? |
| 16:31.08 | mamad | Sorry english is not my first... |
| 16:31.08 | Iridos | kryl, they're not videos⦠they contain actual text, which is the cool thing |
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| 16:31.51 | Iridos | and no idea⦠I haven't really used that |
| 16:31.58 | Walakea | jmcnaught: no, clout-init is not installed |
| 16:32.04 | Walakea | *d |
| 16:33.09 | jmcnaught | Walakea: and this is a normal computer that you installed Debian to using an installer image? Or is it some kind of container image or something? |
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| 16:34.00 | jmcnaught | Walakea: I would try something like 'journalctl -b | grep -i hostname' to see if anything logs about setting hostname during boot |
| 16:34.07 | kryl | I mean I'm not sure I want to put online my commands :-) |
| 16:34.10 | dondelelcaro | Walakea: check what /etc/machine-info has |
| 16:34.57 | Walakea | jmcnaught: first message: |
| 16:34.58 | Walakea | Aug 18 17:28:05 debdebian-gnu-linux-9-stretch-64-bitian systemd[1]: Set hostname to <debdebian-gnu-linux-9-stretch-64-bitian>. |
| 16:35.15 | fly_agaric | I deleted the whole linux system and installed it with debian 9 stretch after reboot it says the same thing about grub again. error: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0' |
| 16:35.17 | Walakea | dondelelcaro: PRETTY_HOSTNAME="debDebian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) 64-bitian" |
| 16:35.38 | dondelelcaro | Walakea: ok; that's likely where it's coming from. Not sure why it's using that instead of /etc/hostname |
| 16:35.43 | jmcnaught | mamad: nsswitch is how you configure how programs should look up things like users and hostnames, and what order they should be checked in. PAM is how you configure authentication policy. |
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| 16:36.28 | Walakea | dondelelcaro: so i should just manually change /etc/machine-info ? |
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| 16:37.27 | dondelelcaro | Walakea: I think you can just do hostnamectl set-hostname debian; |
| 16:37.30 | wanderer_ | hello, is lxqt comparable to xfce? |
| 16:37.36 | wanderer_ | is it stable? |
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| 16:38.13 | wanderer_ | I am using debian xfce. Can I install lxqt on it? without creating conflicts? |
| 16:38.49 | random_numbers | DEs generally don't have conflicts, are there known ones between xfce and lxqt? |
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| 16:39.06 | Walakea | dondelelcaro: looks like the file '/etc/machine-info' got removed when i used hostnamectl to change the name |
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| 16:40.10 | Tom01 | Is it possible to set the Screen-Blanker to a higher Value than 15 Minutes? |
| 16:40.16 | wanderer_ | is Mate more suitable than Xfce for a beginner? |
| 16:40.30 | Tom01 | like 30 Minutes |
| 16:40.34 | mamad | jmcnaught: thanks but why should add ldap in nsswitch ? I dont get why and how it's work ? Is there a good reference about it ? |
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| 16:40.50 | random_numbers | wanderer_: Not really, at that point it's mostly a question of aesthetic preference. |
| 16:41.00 | dondelelcaro | Walakea: hrm; not sure why, but perhaps because everything is the default it wasn't necessary any more? |
| 16:41.01 | jmcnaught | wanderer_: if the computer is not resource starved then GNOME or KDE are probably best for new users |
| 16:41.08 | dondelelcaro | Walakea: but hopefully that will fix up the issue |
| 16:41.31 | Walakea | dondelelcaro: i hope so too, thanks for help |
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| 16:42.11 | wanderer_ | I have a laptop that has 4 GBs of ram. Is that enough for Gnome or KDE? |
| 16:42.30 | wanderer_ | it runs on intel core i3 2.0 Ghz cpu. |
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| 16:42.42 | Walakea | while i am at it, looks like my xfce desktop freezes the whole system ~ once per two days (no issues with Gnome) [Debian Stretch upgraded from Jessie] |
| 16:42.53 | jmcnaught | mamad: you add ldap to nsswitch because you want your system to be able to find ldap users |
| 16:42.59 | amd_0x51 | taht should be more than enough. I am running lesser specs right now and MATE, GNOME KDE work fine. wanderer_ |
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| 16:43.25 | wanderer_ | ok |
| 16:43.49 | Walakea | if any sound is playing, it repeats last 2 seconds, screen becomes frozen and i am uneble to even change to TUI |
| 16:43.55 | wanderer_ | Gnome or KDE, then? |
| 16:44.13 | Walakea | i could not find any useful info in logs |
| 16:44.14 | amd_0x51 | your choice. I prefer MATE/GNOME as I find KDE quite clunky |
| 16:44.35 | wanderer_ | ok |
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| 16:45.11 | mamad | jmcnaught: but i already configured pam to use ldap for that !!! By pam_ldap |
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| 16:47.41 | jmcnaught | mamad: so now PAM knows how to authenticate against an LDAP directory, but how does the system know that it needs to look for users in LDAP? A simpler example is the hosts line in nsswitch.conf⦠it probably says 'files dns', which means 'look in /etc/hosts first, then do a DNS query'. |
| 16:48.17 | random_numbers | wanderer_: Sure, but it won't be as snappy as if you were using a lighter DE. |
| 16:48.51 | random_numbers | wanderer_: Then again once it's all in RAM you're only CPU-bound. |
| 16:49.02 | jmcnaught | mamad: have you found https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/NSS ? |
| 16:49.16 | wanderer_ | random_numbers: is lxqt stable? |
| 16:49.29 | wanderer_ | I am using xfce now. |
| 16:49.37 | random_numbers | wanderer_: Haven't tried it, nor had I heard of it before today. I don't know. |
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| 16:51.18 | wanderer_ | do distros like mx linux and sparky make debian easier to install and use? |
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| 16:53.24 | random_numbers | I figure debian's rather easy to install. For usage, you'll have to ask someone who tried those. |
| 16:53.30 | apollo13 | wanderer_: how would debian users know that? |
| 16:54.20 | wanderer_ | have you heard of sparky linux? |
| 16:55.28 | bezaban | wanderer_: they are something else, not debian. If you are looking for something 'easier'/more clicky out of the box the best alternative would be a widely used and supported distribution like ubuntu |
| 16:55.31 | jmcnaught | wanderer_: other distros (including ones based on Debian) are considered off-topic here. I agree that Debian is easier to install than the reputation it has⦠the biggest gotcha is dealing with non-free firmwares for stuff like wifi |
| 16:56.01 | random_numbers | Sparky itself doesn't recommend itself to beginners specifically. https://sparkylinux.org/about/ |
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| 16:56.44 | wanderer_ | ok |
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| 17:00.40 | jelly | mamad: I've heard nice things about "realmd" if your goal is AD integration |
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| 17:01.44 | wanderer_ | debian is not as ootb as other distros like mint or ubuntu. am I right? |
| 17:01.53 | jelly | > realmd is a D-Bus system service that manages discovery and enrollment in realms/domains like Active Directory or IPA. -- realmd can configure either SSSD or Windbind as client software. It will also automatically install the required packages using PackageKit if needed. |
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| 17:02.44 | dondelelcaro | wanderer_: in general, it should just work out of the box; cases where it doesn't are usually bugs or specific decisions |
| 17:02.45 | jelly | wanderer_: there are some things that make it significantly less pleasant to install and set up, lack of firmware for lots of consumer hardware in the installer is one |
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| 17:03.37 | jelly | it only Just Works OOTB if you have been VERY careful choosing your hardware and investigated it in advance for linux compatibility with free drivers only |
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| 17:03.47 | wanderer_ | Sparky based on Debian stable is mentioned as beginner friendly, on their site. |
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| 17:04.27 | dondelelcaro | jelly: or you could just by a purism laptop (or similar) |
| 17:04.38 | random_numbers | Hm. user-friendly yet not recommended specifically for beginners. That's just on the edge of contradictory. |
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| 17:05.09 | jelly | dondelelcaro: knowing there _is_ such a thing requires active investigation |
| 17:06.49 | wanderer_ | jelly: I didn't get you. |
| 17:07.22 | jelly | wanderer_: most other distros ship firmware blobs and can get things like wifi or gpu cards working OOTB |
| 17:07.34 | jelly | Debian chooses not to. |
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| 17:08.30 | wanderer_ | ok |
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| 17:09.45 | jelly | right now, Debian wants you to try installing, stumble onto non-working wifi, then come here where we'll tell you about unofficial installer with firmware included |
| 17:09.51 | jelly | this is a pain |
| 17:10.04 | wanderer_ | but, why debian doesn't bring a version that is as usable and ootb as ubuntu or mint? |
| 17:10.20 | jelly | because debian cares about free software |
| 17:10.25 | jelly | and its users. |
| 17:10.42 | jelly | in this case, it cares a bit more about free software then about the users :-) |
| 17:10.48 | jelly | than* |
| 17:11.16 | wanderer_ | ok |
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| 17:12.41 | jmcnaught | for those who care to read installation manuals before they try to install, there are links to an unoffical installer image that contains non-free firmwares⦠but not everybody reads documentation |
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| 17:13.03 | wanderer_ | I know about them. |
| 17:13.06 | jelly | those are cleverly hidden |
| 17:13.32 | wanderer_ | btw, is debian easier than distros like fedora and opensuse? |
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| 17:13.47 | jelly | it's probably comparable |
| 17:13.48 | fly_agaric | why is my debian 9 not starting? fresh install wiped the complete partition table of the disk |
| 17:14.06 | fly_agaric | after installs the grub console welcomes me |
| 17:14.24 | teraflops | wanderer_: easy compared to what? also we do not know your level of expertise |
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| 17:14.34 | fly_agaric | and next? i tried to repair grub with my debian usb stick mounted my disk and chrooted into it but nothing |
| 17:14.56 | wanderer_ | I am a beginner. Switching from windows 10. |
| 17:15.06 | jelly | jmcnaught: the requirement to read manuals in advance is a pain, too |
| 17:15.34 | teraflops | opensuse is not that bad if you come from windows imo |
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| 17:16.49 | wanderer_ | teraflops: ok |
| 17:18.43 | random_numbers | Isn't there a way to install firmware during the install? |
| 17:18.51 | greycat | !firmware image |
| 17:18.51 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 17:19.04 | fly_agaric | https://askubuntu.com/questions/397485/what-to-do-when-i-get-an-attempt-to-read-or-write-outside-of-disk-hd0-error i did everything described here but the grub bootmenu is not comming when i try to issue insmod normal and execute normal |
| 17:19.08 | fly_agaric | just nothing happens |
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| 17:20.12 | fly_agaric | i verified with ls (hd0,2)/ that this is the system where my files are and on hd0,2 theres also a /boot/grub folder |
| 17:20.56 | jelly | fly_agaric: what if you edit the default menu entry, remove the "quiet" keyword and let it boot? |
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| 17:21.19 | jelly | or do you not get the boot menu at all |
| 17:21.20 | fly_agaric | jelly: this menu is not visible to me instead it drops me instantly to grub> shell |
| 17:22.10 | jelly | fly_agaric: oh alright, can you then set the kernel and initrd manually and boot? |
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| 17:23.14 | fly_agaric | jelly: i dont what you mean by that and how to do this but i tried set prefix=(hd0,2)/boot/grub 2nd step: set root=(hd0,2) 3rd step: insmod normal 4th step: normal 5step: nothing happens |
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| 17:26.37 | wanderer_ | does Debian 9 contain newer packages as compared to ubuntu lts 16.04.3? |
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| 17:27.18 | jelly | fly_agaric: sorry, I can't really help with grub2 command line, but the idea is to find where your /boot/vmlinuz-4.9-something and /boot/initrd-4.9-something are on disk, then provide the paths to grub manually wth something like "linux path/to/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda2" and "initrd /path/to/matching-initrd", and try to boot |
| 17:27.51 | jelly | fly_agaric: and guess/figure out the right root= parameter |
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| 17:28.32 | fly_agaric | a serious question can unetbootin cause this errors? |
| 17:28.50 | fly_agaric | because i often installed debian on machines but never had such an error |
| 17:28.51 | jelly | wanderer_: most of them yes. ubuntu lts defaults to firefox release branch, so they're going to have firefox 55, while debian 9 will have firefox 52 ESR branch |
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| 17:30.21 | wanderer_ | ok |
| 17:30.25 | anexit | what package allows smb:// in thunar browser? |
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| 17:30.59 | wanderer_ | btw, which is suitable for a beginner ubuntu mate or xubuntu? |
| 17:31.14 | jelly | wanderer_: best ask that in #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 17:31.35 | anexit | wanderer: debian is pretty darn easy and the documentation is spot on |
| 17:31.57 | anexit | Just need to put the time in... instead of wondering. |
| 17:31.59 | greycat | If you know enough to get the firmware netinst image, and manage to get Debian installed, it's easy enough to *use*. |
| 17:32.04 | teraflops | anexit: what do you mean by documentation? |
| 17:32.07 | wanderer_ | anexit: ok. Then, which one Debian Mate or with xfce? |
| 17:32.23 | teraflops | wanderer_: you better try it and see |
| 17:32.25 | anexit | The documentation is good |
| 17:32.41 | wanderer_ | anexit: I agree. |
| 17:32.42 | n4dir | !best |
| 17:32.42 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 17:32.43 | jelly | wanderer_: xfce is a little lighter on the resources, but not much |
| 17:32.53 | anexit | debian.org/doc |
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| 17:33.01 | teraflops | I mean, do it by yourself and take make your own opinion |
| 17:33.08 | teraflops | s/take/ |
| 17:33.15 | n4dir | really doesn't matter, imho. All desktop environments are pretty intuitive. |
| 17:33.48 | n4dir | well, lxde was a bit weird. |
| 17:33.49 | teraflops | same for DE/WM, try as much as you can, then pick the one that suits you best |
| 17:34.05 | wanderer_ | ok |
| 17:35.59 | jelly | gnome is so weird. |
| 17:36.11 | Tom01 | why weird? |
| 17:36.19 | teraflops | jelly: o_O |
| 17:36.32 | greycat | Every time there's a GNOME question on debian-user, we learn even more just how incomprehensible and unmanageable GNOME is. |
| 17:36.58 | jelly | large chrome, weird settings for modal windows, weird UI choices everywhere |
| 17:37.43 | jelly | (by chrome I mean "stuff around the window than isn't a window's useful part") |
| 17:37.46 | greycat | Breaks every standard Unix convention for sessions and configuration. You wanted to tightly define your locale, setting multiple LC_* variables? Too bad! You want a umask other than 022? TOO BAD! |
| 17:38.02 | teraflops | greycat: I think because GNOME does not care about users, it cares about customers |
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| 17:39.13 | n4dir | i always assumed it was, me, and gnome 3 was intuitive for the rest of the world. well. |
| 17:39.15 | jelly | things like file manager that opens a new window for each directory |
| 17:39.38 | greycat | !mate |
| 17:39.40 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8 "Jessie" (and also in wheezy-backports). To install, ask me about <install mate>. https://wiki.debian.org/Mate http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on chat.freenode.net. |
| 17:39.46 | greycat | The existence of that ^^ tells you that you're not alone. |
| 17:40.32 | n4dir | :-) Yeah. But in the meantime i have settled on xfce (later on awesome). So i never really used those clones. |
| 17:40.44 | jelly | I'm flipping between xfce and kde myself, when kde gets broken again with each major release, I use xfce, then try kde carefully after a year or so or when computers are again fast enough |
| 17:41.33 | teraflops | you have to make a plasma5 master for being able to use it |
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| 17:41.40 | n4dir | yes, jelly , imho one of the huge advantages of xfce is that it hardly breaks. And doesn't make huge changes all the time. On the other hand it doesn't really offer that much (stuff i don't do anyway, so hey) |
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| 17:43.32 | jelly | something that has ui elements roughly like windows 2000, xp or vista, that has Focus Follows Mouse, a decent two-dimensional grid pager, and panels that can be moved to the side instead of stealing the little vertical that's available |
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| 17:45.00 | n4dir | 4 desktops, a command prompt and a systray which informs me if someone pings my name in IRC. I think that's all i want (what do you say? pretty much any DE/WM out there has that? ... oh my) |
| 17:45.58 | jelly | I started with 4 desktops of fvwm 1.24 on solaris in 1997 or so. Now there are 4x3=12 desktops. -_- |
| 17:46.34 | jmcnaught | dynamic virtual desktops were the big draw to gnome-shell for me |
| 17:46.35 | jelly | anyhoo, afk and -> #debian-offtopic |
| 17:46.37 | wanderer_ | ok |
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| 17:47.06 | n4dir | or like that. I use one application per desktop. in my case 4 is enough, as i never use more than 4 apps. Duh (fvwm: i pretty much like the look and feel, but never got used to it. A pity) |
| 17:47.50 | dondelelcaro | you might even try something radical, like i3 |
| 17:50.00 | wanderer_ | any opinion on the quality of sparky linux? about that project? |
| 17:50.16 | wanderer_ | about its stability. |
| 17:50.17 | n4dir | wanderer_: back to your question (xfce or mate). I guess it mainly is answered. A last note: imho you can easily run both at the same time. |
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| 17:50.35 | wanderer_ | n4dir: great |
| 17:50.47 | n4dir | well: have both installed, try this, try that, then decide. No need to reinstall or such. |
| 17:51.01 | wanderer_ | ok |
| 17:51.49 | wanderer_ | sparky linux has this logo. "powered by Debian". |
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| 17:57.15 | wanderer_ | what is the command to install complete mate desktop environment? |
| 17:57.39 | wanderer_ | which option in synaptic package manager to be chosen? |
| 17:58.08 | jmcnaught | wanderer_: task-mate-desktop |
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| 17:58.32 | wanderer_ | MATE Desktop Environment (metapackage)? in synaptic ? |
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| 17:59.09 | blawiz | is there a dropbox alternative in deb repo? |
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| 17:59.23 | blawiz | or for linux generaly? |
| 18:00.03 | jmcnaught | wanderer_: it's easier and simpler to distinguish between packages by name than by description. You can also run 'tasksel' as root on the command line to select a desktop to install |
| 18:00.10 | fly_agaric | just in case how can I create a debian 9 usb install stick without unetbootin I dont have a linux system here only windows |
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| 18:00.26 | jmcnaught | !win32diskimager |
| 18:00.26 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 18:00.29 | n4dir | owncloud, but i think that is a bit different. you can go to the debian wiki, search for "leaving the cloud". The freedombox project is related. That site lists alternatives for proprietary and centralized services. blawiz |
| 18:00.43 | wanderer_ | ok |
| 18:00.54 | jmcnaught | fly_agaric: use win32diskimager ^^ others like unetbootin are known to cause problems |
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| 18:02.28 | g0zzy | fwiw linux appears to be supported by Dropbox |
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| 18:04.09 | brontosaurusrex | Is there some env variable that would allow me to lie to certain app about screen width? |
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| 18:04.18 | greycat | *sigh* really |
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| 18:04.23 | greycat | 14:03 brontosaurusrex> yeah, its a gui app, so it must be pixels |
| 18:04.41 | brontosaurusrex | ^ that as well. |
| 18:04.48 | wanderer_ | ok |
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| 18:05.21 | g0zzy | wonders what happened to rawrite.exe |
| 18:05.27 | user23432 | Hey, I can 'startx' with root but not a normal user. I remember there's some easy way to fix this -- what is it? |
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| 18:06.17 | brontosaurusrex | user23432, hold on. |
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| 18:07.01 | brontosaurusrex | user23432, in /etc/X11/Xwrapper.conf , allowed_users=anybody |
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| 18:08.03 | g0zzy | remembers trying startx since systemd and finding the network was absent |
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| 18:09.24 | g0zzy | iow startx appeared broken, but perhaps that's my mistake ;) |
| 18:09.37 | greycat | startx works just fine for me under systemd, as root or non-root, on stretch or any previous release |
| 18:09.58 | hhhmmm | Hi, curious why torbrowser-launcher is in contrib. Anyone know? Thx |
| 18:10.08 | greycat | (well, systemd was only jessie and stretch; previous releases, it was systemd with or without various debian hacks) |
| 18:10.14 | greycat | err.. |
| 18:10.14 | g0zzy | Ah ok. I don't know whether i'll need to try it again though |
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| 18:10.20 | greycat | (well, systemd was only jessie and stretch; previous releases, it was sysvinit with or without various debian hacks) |
| 18:10.46 | jmcnaught | allowed_users=anybody in Xwrapper.config shouldn't be necessary either, allowed_users=console should be enough |
| 18:11.02 | jmcnaught | also easy: installing a display manager |
| 18:11.30 | greycat | The real question is how he got his computer into a state where startx stopped working. |
| 18:11.51 | g0zzy | can't remember |
| 18:11.56 | greycat | The first thing that comes to my mind is "he's not actually running it on a Linux console VT". |
| 18:12.04 | teraflops | also I dont editing that file will fix anything, unless they messed it previously |
| 18:12.19 | teraflops | dont think^ |
| 18:12.45 | user23432 | brontosaurusrex: not working. And this is a fresh install of Debian 9. Haven't really messed with anything. |
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| 18:13.20 | brontosaurusrex | user23432, I have this on two remote/headless servers and it is working. |
| 18:13.24 | teraflops | user23432: did you run startx as root inside user folder before trying as normal user? |
| 18:13.39 | brontosaurusrex | and what jmcnaught said, should be user console. |
| 18:13.46 | g0zzy | vaguely remembers its getting borked after uninstalling lightdm |
| 18:14.00 | greycat | Maybe X is already running on display :0 |
| 18:14.04 | teraflops | heh |
| 18:14.11 | greycat | Could you tell us what the error is? |
| 18:14.15 | user23432 | teraflops: sudo startx works |
| 18:14.20 | teraflops | :S |
| 18:14.27 | greycat | oh, if startx as root works, then that's not it... |
| 18:14.41 | greycat | anyway, "sudo startx" sounds super evil |
| 18:14.46 | user23432 | Isn't there like a update-altenatives or dpkg-reconfigure or something? |
| 18:14.47 | teraflops | user23432: check permissions inside ~/ |
| 18:14.59 | greycat | maybe you create an Xorg.0.log with the wrong owner inside your user's home dir |
| 18:15.33 | n4dir | isn't there the file ~/.xsession-errors or very similar? |
| 18:15.44 | greycat | !xorg.0.log |
| 18:15.49 | greycat | really, bot? |
| 18:15.57 | teraflops | user23432: and dont do such thing again ^ |
| 18:15.59 | n4dir | seems to be sleeping since yesterday ... |
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| 18:16.12 | user23432 | All I have in ~ is a blank .Xauthority file |
| 18:16.14 | greycat | no, the bot is responding |
| 18:16.22 | greycat | user23432: look in ~/.local/share/xorg/ |
| 18:16.40 | greycat | I bet your "sudo startx" created a file there as root, since sudo doesn't clear $HOME |
| 18:16.42 | hhhmmm | I wonder when debian can work without systemd, policykit dependency blocks most sysvinit setups nicely |
| 18:16.55 | hhhmmm | and luks kind of hangs up on shutdown |
| 18:16.59 | greycat | If you want to start X as root, *log in* as root. |
| 18:17.53 | greycat | !listvals local/share |
| 18:17.55 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'local/share' by value (8): internet explorer jpeg ;; mimeapps ;; bbpager ;; xorg root ;; trash ;; xdg variables ;; xorg.0.log ;; font install. |
| 18:18.03 | greycat | !xorg.0.log |
| 18:18.12 | greycat | ok, what the hell |
| 18:18.17 | greycat | dpkg, xorg.0.log |
| 18:18.17 | dpkg | greycat: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 18:18.46 | greycat | dpkg, literal xorg.0.log |
| 18:18.46 | dpkg | "xorg.0.log" is "in /var/log/ unless you are on stretch-or-later and running startx as non-root. Then it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/" |
| 18:19.30 | tdn | Would you recommend using icinga2 as a monitoring system using the debian provided packages? Would you recommend that? The GEtting Started guide on Icinga website does not seem to work with debian provided icinga packages |
| 18:19.42 | tdn | Or should I rather use the .debs from the icinga website? |
| 18:19.49 | greycat | So, which character or sequence of characters in the factoid name is breaking the bot? |
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| 18:22.06 | teraflops | weird |
| 18:23.10 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: xorg.0.log is <reply> xorg.0.log is in /var/log unless you are on stretch-or-later and running startx as non-root. Then it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/ |
| 18:23.11 | dpkg | ...but xorg.0.log is already something else... |
| 18:23.18 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, xorg.0.log is <reply> xorg.0.log is in /var/log unless you are on stretch-or-later and running startx as non-root. Then it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/~ |
| 18:23.18 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 18:23.18 | teraflops | hehe |
| 18:23.22 | dondelelcaro | xorg.0.log |
| 18:23.27 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: xorg.0.log |
| 18:23.27 | dpkg | xorg.0.log is in /var/log unless you are on stretch-or-later and running startx as non-root. Then it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/~ |
| 18:23.50 | fly_agaric | okay why is ifconfig missing in debian 9? |
| 18:23.52 | dondelelcaro | it's the leading in, IIRC. some "magic" is parsing that and screwing up |
| 18:24.27 | dondelelcaro | fly_agaric: it's in net-tools |
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| 18:24.36 | fly_agaric | okay and why is it missing? like route -n |
| 18:24.38 | dondelelcaro | fly_agaric: but you should really switch to using ip |
| 18:24.56 | dondelelcaro | fly_agaric: because it's no longer maintained upstream. Everyone has switched to using ip route -n; for example. |
| 18:25.06 | dondelelcaro | s/-n// |
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| 18:25.12 | fly_agaric | ip route -n unknown command |
| 18:25.22 | jmcnaught | tdn: it's usually preferred to use packages from Debian if you can. take a look for a README.Debian file in the icinga2 directories in /usr/share/doc/ for any Debian specific notes or changes |
| 18:25.29 | dondelelcaro | fly_agaric: just ip route; |
| 18:25.33 | greycat | "ip route" is not an unknown command in Debian |
| 18:25.52 | user23432 | This is the error my terminal prints on running startx. I can get the log too if this isn't helpful: http://paste.debian.net/982018/ |
| 18:26.12 | greycat | If you give the -n, it says "Command "-n" is unknown, try "ip route help"." which is VERY different from "bash: something: command not found" |
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| 18:26.44 | fly_agaric | why someone changes this? |
| 18:26.53 | fly_agaric | it worked for years and now i must reinstall basic tools |
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| 18:27.27 | fly_agaric | in my opinion very silly |
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| 18:27.57 | mandeep_ | argh |
| 18:28.14 | mandeep_ | should have stayed with jessie |
| 18:28.17 | dondelelcaro | fly_agaric: becaues ifconfig is super-brittle, ancient code which can't handle all of the things that you can do with network cards and the linux network stack |
| 18:28.32 | user23432 | Full log: http://paste.debian.net/982019/ |
| 18:28.45 | dondelelcaro | fly_agaric: but it still exists, and you can install it and use it |
| 18:28.53 | dondelelcaro | it's just not installed by default |
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| 18:29.36 | n4dir | i had it installed. weird. probably came with wicd? |
| 18:29.48 | greycat | If you upgraded from jessie, it doesn't get removed. |
| 18:30.06 | greycat | It's just not part of Standard for a new install of stretch. |
| 18:30.07 | n4dir | no, greycat, i installed stretch just the other day. |
| 18:30.23 | n4dir | no DE, then xorg, awesome, firefox, pidgin, tilda, wicd |
| 18:30.30 | n4dir | and ifconfig sure worked. |
| 18:30.43 | greycat | Not xorg or firefox... I don't know the others :) |
| 18:31.27 | n4dir | a terminal emulator and a chat-client. i can't see any reason why it should relate to "ifconfig". oh my. guess it's time to figure it out later. |
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| 18:32.48 | fly_agaric | ok ok and whats about vim? |
| 18:32.54 | fly_agaric | i cant copy paste anymore |
| 18:32.55 | greycat | wicd Depends: wicd-daemon Depends: net-tools | ethtool, net-tools | iproute2 |
| 18:33.19 | fly_agaric | --insert visual???? |
| 18:33.23 | jmcnaught | user23432: what does 'loginctl session-status' say when you run it as regular user? |
| 18:33.28 | n4dir | ta-da. no work for me :-) thanks greycat |
| 18:33.33 | fly_agaric | I want my old vim back |
| 18:33.40 | fly_agaric | its unusable |
| 18:33.44 | greycat | fly_agaric: make sure you have a ~/.vimrc file in the home dir of whoever is running vi, or it does this stupid new mouse thing that nobody wants |
| 18:33.55 | greycat | running vim* |
| 18:34.04 | jmcnaught | user23432: also include 'loginctl seat-status' in the paste please ⺠|
| 18:34.18 | user23432 | jmcnaught: Could not get properties: No such device or address |
| 18:34.19 | greycat | e.g. echo set ai >> ~/.vimrc |
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| 18:34.42 | user23432 | jmcnaught: both give that |
| 18:35.07 | jmcnaught | user23432: did you switch from systemd to something else? what does 'apt-cache policy libpam-systemd' say? |
| 18:35.38 | user23432 | jmcnaught: no. its not installed |
| 18:36.06 | user23432 | jmcnaught: (I am running systemd) |
| 18:36.39 | jmcnaught | user23432: install that libpam-systemd package and log out and back in. I also recommend looking at 'systemctl status' to see if there are any failed units |
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| 18:37.19 | fly_agaric | okay I cant copy paste with new vim |
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| 18:37.31 | jmcnaught | user23432: that package makes it so when you log in your session is registered with logind, which is what manages permissions for devices used by Xorg (based on which session or seat is active) |
| 18:37.51 | fly_agaric | when there is a tab between words like in the interfaces copy i must 100000 press delete key to format the output right after i paste the config |
| 18:37.59 | fly_agaric | whats wrong with vim? please fixx it |
| 18:38.24 | jmcnaught | user23432: did you perhaps unselect the 'standard system utilities' task while installing Debian? |
| 18:38.25 | teraflops | n4dir: I think apt-cache rdepends net-tools --installed will tell you |
| 18:38.53 | fly_agaric | why does the new vim make auto tab??? |
| 18:39.01 | n4dir | teraflops: thanks. Will try that. Though if i understood correct, greycat showed that wicd is the "culprit" |
| 18:39.03 | fly_agaric | its a joke really? |
| 18:39.10 | teraflops | n4dir: I guess so |
| 18:39.20 | user23432 | jmcnaught: indeed |
| 18:39.42 | n4dir | doesn't bother me much, just curious, cause this isn't the first time someone complains bout ifconfig missing (and me goes: huh?) |
| 18:40.02 | jmcnaught | fly_agaric: /usr/share/doc/vim-common/NEWS.Debian.gz has a note about this change |
| 18:40.02 | jhutchins_wk | fly_agaric: You're probably using the X version. |
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| 18:40.17 | fly_agaric | i do not have X installed |
| 18:40.25 | fly_agaric | its a server |
| 18:40.42 | jmcnaught | user23432: this is the kind of thing that can happen when you don't install standard utilities⦠you're probably missing other stuff that most of us take for granted as just being there |
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| 18:43.16 | user23432 | jmcnaught: I guess so. brb |
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| 18:44.18 | teraflops | jmcnaught: heh, that's the only task I pick when I install debian using the installer |
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| 18:44.53 | teraflops | hmm, I lied ssh too |
| 18:45.18 | jmcnaught | teraflops: it's not the first time I've seen someone shoot themselves in the foot by not installing it |
| 18:45.39 | n4dir | I tried it once, for the lulz, and decided to never do it again :-) |
| 18:46.22 | jmcnaught | the couple hundred MB you save isn't worth the time figuring out mysteries like 'why doesn't startx work?' in my opinion |
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| 18:47.39 | n4dir | + 1 from me. |
| 18:48.02 | n4dir | same goes for "no Recommends". |
| 18:48.09 | user23432 | jmcnaught: still not working. no failed units |
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| 18:48.28 | jmcnaught | user23432: you might need other standard stuff like dbus |
| 18:49.00 | user23432 | jmcnaught: I've got dbus, but I can look into other possiblities, thanks |
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| 18:50.36 | jmcnaught | user23432: 'aptitude -s install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant' will show you what would be installed if you install all packages with those priorities |
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| 18:51.24 | jmcnaught | user23432: with libpam-systemd installed I would again look at the seat and session status with loginctl, and check the errors for startx to see if they are different |
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| 18:59.41 | user23432 | jmcnaught: the logs looks ~ the same. I remember dealing with this before, and it seemed like it was a simple permissions issue or something, but I forget how I fixed it. The loginctl logs: http://paste.debian.net/982025/ |
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| 19:00.42 | n4dir | not that i have hope, but the first thing i do in such cases is quickly create a test-user and check if he has got the same problems |
| 19:01.16 | jmcnaught | user23432: thanks. the loginctl output looks normal now. Is the error with startx still '(EE) parse_vt_settings: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (Permission denied)'? |
| 19:01.29 | greycat | user23432: are you *sure* there isn't just a root-owned ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log file sitting in the user's home? |
| 19:01.46 | greycat | Oh, /dev/tty0 ... that is weird. |
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| 19:03.10 | user23432 | n4dir: lol, it works with a different user |
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| 19:03.54 | n4dir | oha. now i am surprised. but that makes sure no packages are missing. imho: a config file in the users home? |
| 19:04.07 | greycat | something something systemd something dbus |
| 19:04.21 | greycat | or something in /var/run |
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| 19:05.30 | user23432 | jmcnaught: yeah |
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| 19:09.45 | jmcnaught | user23432: if it works for a different user this suggests either files owned by root in your $HOME. Are both users in the same groups? |
| 19:10.30 | greycat | some messed up file in $HOME or /var/run or /run/user or systemd or dbug |
| 19:10.32 | greycat | dbus* |
| 19:11.41 | user23432 | jmcnaught: original user is in group sudo, new user is not. Not seeing any root-owned files |
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| 19:12.18 | greycat | the only ones it should try to open (if you use a regular window manager, not a desktop) are ~/.xsession-errors and ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:14.13 | user23432 | welp, I guess I'll just make that new user the user I use |
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| 19:18.55 | user23432 | thanks |
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| 19:19.38 | n4dir | user23432: if you plan to do that you might just as well "mv" all hidden files and folders to a backup folder. To test quickly if that solves the problem |
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| 19:20.20 | n4dir | mv .[a-zA-Z0-9]* ~/backup_configs; or such |
| 19:20.41 | n4dir | aka: the sledgehammer method :-) |
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| 19:23.19 | user23432 | n4dir: not working now, but let me logout and try again, brb |
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| 19:26.55 | user23432 | n4dir: aha. the 'screen' program (gnu screen) is the issue. when its not running, startx works. |
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| 19:27.08 | greycat | you tried to startx inside screen?! |
| 19:27.20 | user23432 | greycat: yes, yes indeed |
| 19:27.34 | greycat | 14:11 greycat> The first thing that comes to my mind is "he's not actually running it on a Linux console VT". |
| 19:27.44 | user23432 | genioius |
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| 19:27.47 | greycat | one hour 16 minutes |
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| 19:28.45 | n4dir | oh. my. gosh. |
| 19:29.08 | greycat | also, 14:13 brontosaurusrex> and what jmcnaught said, should be user console. |
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| 19:29.39 | user23432 | yea, i didn't really know what you all meant, but you were right (tm) |
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| 19:33.54 | n4dir | just to be honest: it happened more than once to me that i ran startx from screen. |
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| 19:48.02 | tdn | jmcnaught, thanks |
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| 20:18.52 | glaucom | hi all |
| 20:19.02 | glaucom | i need help to install driver nvidia |
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| 20:19.26 | glaucom | i try apt-get , and message any worng |
| 20:19.41 | glaucom | i try download from nvidia, blackscreen flashing |
| 20:19.57 | glaucom | system is freezing default driver :( |
| 20:20.16 | kalebo | is there a way to add a default boot parameter with d-i in preseed? |
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| 20:21.59 | kalebo | E.g., kickstart has bootloader option that lets me append a parameter |
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| 20:23.26 | kalebo | Oh, nvm I think I found it in the documentation |
| 20:23.42 | jmcnaught | glaucom: running the installer from the nvidia website is definitely the wrong way |
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| 20:24.05 | glaucom | i need reinstall debian :( |
| 20:24.14 | glaucom | now , i try again |
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| 20:24.17 | jmcnaught | glaucom: did you follow these instructions? https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 20:24.36 | jhutchins_wk | jmcnaught: It's the only way for some of the newer caredds. |
| 20:24.36 | glaucom | now system freezing |
| 20:25.08 | glaucom | my card is 740m |
| 20:25.43 | glaucom | GT740m |
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| 20:28.16 | ikus060 | Hello, my laptop keyboard is repporting the wrong keycode for Super Key. It report SUPER_R while it's actually on the left, so I'm expecting Super_L. Any way to fix this ? |
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| 20:29.09 | greycat | xmodmap |
| 20:30.01 | ikus060 | greycat: I would need a bit more guidance. Alot of people are making reference to xmodmap and many guide are not working... |
| 20:30.09 | greycat | man xmodmap |
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| 20:43.42 | ikus060 | greycat: somehow I belive Gnome Shell does not really care about xmodmap to open the activity tab |
| 20:44.04 | greycat | Oh, *GNOME* is involved. Well, hell. Nothing we can do, then. |
| 20:44.24 | greycat | Try finding a GNOME channel, if there is such a thing. |
| 20:45.44 | ikus060 | greycat: ok, thanks for helping |
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| 20:50.02 | jmcnaught | ikus060: you're trying to get to the activities overview with the super button? |
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| 20:52.52 | jmcnaught | ikus060: did you try changing the shortcut in keyboard settings? Also does left-super+s work? |
| 20:53.02 | ikus060 | jmcnaught: yes, but clearly my keyboard is not repporting the right keycode |
| 20:53.15 | ikus060 | yes, Super+S is working |
| 20:53.35 | ikus060 | but it's not convenient, I'm used to only press super |
| 20:54.13 | jmcnaught | ikus060: I know what you mean. What happens if you set the shortcut in keyboard settings? |
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| 20:55.24 | ikus060 | jmcnaught: the config is actually in Tweak tool, right ? The otption is named : "Switch between overview and desktop" I can select between: Left super or Right Super |
| 20:56.03 | ikus060 | Currently, I pick Super Right, but it's not convenient either since external keyboard are also effected byt this settings |
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| 20:56.37 | pflanze | Hello. I upgraded a Skylake PC with Intel graphics to stretch and now graphics would be dead slow. |
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| 20:57.14 | pflanze | I've added a start script to "modprobe i915 modeset=1" (it wasn't loaded before), |
| 20:57.16 | greycat | Make sure you installed the firmware (intel-microcode and firmware-misc-linux) |
| 20:57.21 | pflanze | but that doesn't improve matters. |
| 20:57.30 | greycat | you do not need modprobe or kernel parameter shenanigans |
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| 20:57.57 | greycat | sorry, it's firmware-misc-nonfree that I have |
| 20:58.05 | greycat | plus intel-microcode, of course |
| 20:58.19 | jmcnaught | ikus060: I'm on jessie right now so your tweak tool might have different options than mine. What I meant is in gnome settings, keyboard section where shortcuts are configured. Here at least it says super+s for both show the overview, and show the activities overview. If you change one do you get the behaviour you want? |
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| 20:59.23 | DK2 | how can i allow a user to read a file? |
| 20:59.30 | DK2 | i need to allow the nagios user to read a json file |
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| 21:00.21 | nkuttler | DK2: give them permission to read it |
| 21:00.38 | nkuttler | DK2: see chmod/chown/chgrp |
| 21:00.53 | nkuttler | !grounding |
| 21:00.53 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. The Debian Administrator's Handbook is also good. Ask me about <ig>, <overview>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>, <debian-handbook> (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference). |
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| 21:01.44 | ikus060 | jmcnaught: Yeah, I got you. I cannot enter "Super" alone since Super is a modifier |
| 21:01.55 | ikus060 | I need to enter something else with it |
| 21:01.58 | pflanze | greycat, installed both packages and rebooted, still slow. |
| 21:02.27 | ikus060 | jmcnaught: Like, we cannot map a function on "alt" key sine Alt is a modifier |
| 21:02.46 | pflanze | Xorg log has: [ 23.718] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory |
| 21:02.53 | fearnothing | hi, if I have a directory in $PATH that would not normally be there, and it is not set in ~/.profile, where else might it be set? |
| 21:02.57 | pflanze | [ 23.724] (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering |
| 21:03.12 | fearnothing | specifically, it's /usr/sbin |
| 21:03.15 | greycat | fearnothing: /etc/profile or /etc/profile.d/* or ~/.bash* or /etc/bash* |
| 21:03.23 | fearnothing | thanks |
| 21:03.25 | fearnothing | taking a look |
| 21:03.31 | greycat | or desktop environment menu crap |
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| 21:03.41 | greycat | or pam configs |
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| 21:04.43 | fearnothing | there we go |
| 21:04.50 | fearnothing | it was in ~/.bash_profile |
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| 21:05.28 | jmcnaught | ikus060: right. It might be worth checking if there is a different but similar keyboard layout (under region and language). Did you get xmodmap working with other keys besides Super? (does GNOME ignore xmodmap completely, or just the super remapping?) |
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| 21:06.49 | ikus060 | jmcnaught: it look like Gnome ignore any kind of mapping to Super_L |
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| 21:08.06 | ikus060 | jmcnaught: modification to other modifier is working, ie. I can switch Alt and Ctrl, but remapping Super_R to Super_L does nothing regarding the activies overview |
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| 21:09.08 | pflanze | There's a tip on https://askubuntu.com/questions/838315/has-anyone-seen-or-fixed-sluggishness |
| 21:09.16 | pflanze | to configure xorg, |
| 21:09.26 | pflanze | but it seems I need more directives, it won't start X now. |
| 21:09.35 | pflanze | There were X config tools, none exist any more? |
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| 21:10.54 | jmcnaught | ikus060: did you restart gnome-shell after making the changes? typing 'r' into alt-f2 might be enough. You could also try xbindkeys. Honestly I've never had much need for remapping keys |
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| 21:12.03 | Rhysers | hello |
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| 21:15.27 | jmcnaught | pflanze: did you make a paste of your Xorg.0.log? I couldn't see one |
| 21:15.34 | Rhysers | Can anybody help me with a problem? I wrote a script that attempts to ping, then takes an action if the ping fails. Everything works fine, but when I put it into my crontab it runs, but logg the ping was sucessful. |
| 21:15.44 | Rhysers | sorry if i just jumped in on top of somebody |
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| 21:16.43 | greycat | Rhysers: if ping -c 1 what.ever.host >/dev/null 2>&1; then ...; else ...; fi |
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| 21:17.52 | Rhysers | greycat thats excatly what I have |
| 21:18.07 | greycat | What is the issue, exactly? |
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| 21:18.48 | Rhysers | It works when I call it from ssh, but not when it runs from crontab |
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| 21:19.07 | greycat | What is the *problem* exactly? |
| 21:19.19 | greycat | !doesn't work |
| 21:19.20 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 21:19.24 | Rhysers | I have it logging to a file,and it runs but loggs like it ping'ed sucessfully |
| 21:19.40 | greycat | So you believe that the exit status of ping is wrong? |
| 21:20.02 | Rhysers | that would explain it. |
| 21:20.08 | Rhysers | but what would cause that |
| 21:20.21 | greycat | Most likely an error in your script, but who knows, since you haven't shown it. |
| 21:20.50 | ikus060 | jmcnaught: seams to be a repported bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697116 |
| 21:21.07 | Rhysers | gimme a sec |
| 21:22.02 | Rhysers | new to irc. will it bump me if i paste the code directly in? |
| 21:22.30 | greycat | Yes. Use http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 21:24.20 | Rhysers | paste.debian.net/982038 |
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| 21:24.55 | greycat | You used a bashism, and this block of code has no shebang to tell me whether it is a bash script or an sh script. |
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| 21:25.20 | greycat | replace &> /dev/null with the portable version >/dev/null 2>&1 |
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| 21:25.59 | Rhysers | ok. so I'm new to linux, just kind of jumped in head first. what is a bashism? |
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| 21:26.36 | greycat | The syntax element &> is only in bash, NOT in sh. |
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| 21:27.04 | greycat | If your script is run by sh (either because the shebang says #!/bin/sh or because you explicity call "sh something") then that will not work. |
| 21:27.08 | Rhysers | gotcha |
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| 21:28.19 | Rhysers | changes made, waiting for the next cron in 2 min |
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| 21:32.19 | Rhysers | If you can't tell, it worked |
| 21:32.28 | Rhysers | router rebooted. thanks! |
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| 21:35.37 | HexwellC1 | Hello, I have a Ralink RT5370 USB dongle. It worked after I've installed firmware-ralink but now it doesn't works properly - tries to connect for some time and then drops connection. |
| 21:37.07 | strive | HexwellC: I'm not familiar with that particular piece of hardware, but I can tell you that I was experiencing the same issue until I connect to the 5ghz connection instead of the 2.4ghz. |
| 21:37.20 | strive | s/connect/connected |
| 21:37.41 | HexwellC | https://pastebin.com/mDJiPb7g |
| 21:38.07 | HexwellC | I'm pretty sure it worked well on Qubes OS, Linux Mint and Arch Linux. |
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| 21:39.18 | HexwellC | I'm not sure if I can change connection from 2.4ghz, there's no such option in my router. |
| 21:39.40 | HexwellC | There's only channels, bandwidth and that's all. |
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| 21:41.22 | HexwellC | I'm more than sure, it worked well after I've installed firmware. Probably until reboot. I can't say exactly. I've also tried to kill wpa_supplicant and connect to opened network (same router) - looks like it connects but doesn't assigns IP address. I can't even access router page. |
| 21:45.08 | HexwellC | Also worked even on Gentoo |
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| 21:46.57 | jmcnaught | HexwellC: your paste, is it from dmesg? If you tell us more about how networking is configured (NetworkManager, ifupdown, wicd etc) and how more comprehensive logs someone may be able to spot the problem. |
| 21:47.23 | jmcnaught | probably not me though, i'm leaving soon ;) |
| 21:48.02 | HexwellC | Just out of the box thing, XFCE and NetworkManager. |
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| 21:49.01 | HexwellC | Tried connecting using iw and nmcli |
| 21:49.01 | JLprim | using Nemo and cant access pictures from an SD card however I can acces video on the same sd card any Ideas on what seeting i need to change in nemo to see the pictures as well? |
| 21:50.48 | jmcnaught | HexwellC: a command like 'journalctl _SYSTEMD_UNIT=NetworkManager.service + _EXE=/sbin/wpa_supplicant' will show only messages involving NM or wpa_supplicant |
| 21:54.19 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day :D |
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| 22:00.01 | HexwellC | https://pastebin.com/mX4hQbEp |
| 22:00.25 | HexwellC | Well it gives nothing new |
| 22:00.29 | HexwellC | Still cannot associate |
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| 22:22.28 | pflanze | greycat: (oh, gone) It was because kernel 3.x was still installed and booted. Removing that and booting the 4.x kernel made X fast. |
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| 22:23.10 | pflanze | (Actually now redshift works, probably proper intel driver now, dunno what it ran on jessie.) |
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| 22:35.09 | awoserra | gah, can someone please help me with the syntax to set the #$%@#$@#$ date on my debian machine? |
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| 22:35.23 | awoserra | i've read the manual, and the --help |
| 22:35.38 | awoserra | and no matter how i format a date -s command it tells me i'm wrong >< |
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| 22:37.08 | g0zzy | awoserra: Set it where? |
| 22:38.07 | awoserra | ah nvm, got it thanks, was missing quotes >< |
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| 23:31.11 | johnnymacs | Hello. Is gnuroot debian supported in this channel? |
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| 23:36.54 | johnnymacs | It's a chrooted debian on top of busybox |
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| 23:36.57 | johnnymacs | for android |
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| 23:40.05 | jmcnaught | johnnymacs: if it's actually using Debian sources and packages you can ask here, but you may get suggestions for other rooms especially if it seems like an android issue |
| 23:40.44 | johnnymacs | I am open to installing a different app |
| 23:41.13 | johnnymacs | This seems like a version of debian where they have left out a few things |
| 23:41.56 | jmcnaught | johnnymacs: can you run 'apt-cache policy' and put the output on a paste site (preferably one with no ads)? |
| 23:42.50 | johnnymacs | moment |
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| 23:44.54 | johnnymacs | sprunge.us/QLIY |
| 23:45.58 | johnnymacs | Hopefully that does not just say <- |
| 23:46.04 | jmcnaught | johnnymacs: that's just '<-'. That command should show the repositories that are in use (to see if they're actually Debian ones) |
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| 23:46.21 | johnnymacs | Yeah I think this debian is all goofed up. I am getting errors in all sorts of commands |
| 23:46.29 | jmcnaught | like what? |
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| 23:46.48 | johnnymacs | like terminal rendering errors and errors with pipes it seems and errors with starting up cli apps |
| 23:47.05 | johnnymacs | I may be able to bootstrap my own copy of debian on this |
| 23:47.33 | jmcnaught | go for it |
| 23:48.00 | johnnymacs | probably will take me all day. later |
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