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| 01:23.21 | bamb | hi |
| 01:23.27 | bamb | where can i get libgcrypt.so.11 source code? |
| 01:23.51 | bazhang | bamb, what did you need it for |
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| 01:24.35 | bamb | making an old application work |
| 01:24.47 | bamb | that package is not available for stretch |
| 01:25.12 | bazhang | bamb, which one |
| 01:25.17 | bamb | libgcrypt.so.11 |
| 01:25.23 | bamb | stretch 9.1 |
| 01:25.32 | bazhang | which old application |
| 01:25.42 | bamb | obviously it would be easiest if i could just the prebuilt deb to install... |
| 01:25.43 | bamb | qemu |
| 01:26.02 | bazhang | ,v qemu |
| 01:26.04 | judd | Package: qemu on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.1.2+dfsg-6a+deb7u12; wheezy-security: 1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u22; wheezy-backports: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u5a~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie-security: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie-backports: 1:2.8+dfsg-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:2.8+dfsg-6; stretch-security: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u2; buster: 1:2.8+dfsg-7; sid: 1:2.8+dfsg-7 |
| 01:26.12 | bamb | no, qemu is also built from source |
| 01:26.17 | bazhang | stretch has it |
| 01:26.53 | bamb | i need libgcrypt.so.11 |
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| 01:28.47 | bamb | any idea where i can get the source code for libgcrypt.so.11? |
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| 01:29.36 | bazhang | bamb, why not use the qemu from debian repos |
| 01:29.41 | bamb | long story |
| 01:29.46 | bamb | i need to build from source |
| 01:29.59 | bamb | is the code for libgcrypt.so.11 not available? |
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| 01:37.01 | HeXiLeD | aside fluxbox-update_configs is there any app to regenerate menu entries? such as fluxbox-generate_menu ? |
| 01:37.17 | beingbrown | having read https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.hostname-name-service.html, is there a way to persist the things you'd typically write to resolv.conf on reboot--or alternatively, a different place to write them? |
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| 01:37.46 | tesko | bamb this? https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=wheezy&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=libgcrypt.so.11 |
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| 01:38.27 | bamb | tesko: yes, thats what i need, but i need to install it on stretch 9.1 |
| 01:38.41 | bamb | it would be easier to install rather than build, but im willing to build if needed |
| 01:39.41 | tesko | have you tried to download it alone from another site? if you dont want to search, build it |
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| 01:40.12 | bamb | waddu mean download it alone? like download the .deb and try to use dpkg -i? |
| 01:40.28 | bamb | also, i need the code so i can build it |
| 01:40.31 | jmcnaught | bamb: did your custom qemu build work in jessie? |
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| 01:41.46 | bamb | it works in 8.5 and 7.11 |
| 01:42.17 | jmcnaught | bamb: you could build and use it in a chroot, using schroot |
| 01:42.27 | jmcnaught | a jessie chroot that is |
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| 01:43.11 | bamb | im planning to build it on my dev machine and install it on a target machine |
| 01:43.24 | bamb | the machine where i wanna install it doesnt have any of the build tools |
| 01:43.41 | bamb | so ill get it to build and run in different p[laces. ill copy the bins |
| 01:43.55 | jmcnaught | and why doesn't the qemu in Debian work? |
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| 01:45.18 | tesko | no download libgcrypt.so.11 by itself from freelibs.org or some place {i doubt freelibs is a real site} |
| 01:46.05 | jmcnaught | tesko: what? no, that's bad advice. |
| 01:47.28 | jmcnaught | ,v libgcrypt11 |
| 01:47.29 | judd | Package: libgcrypt11 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.5.0-5+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 1.5.0-5+deb7u6 |
| 01:47.33 | jmcnaught | ,v libgcrypt20 |
| 01:47.34 | judd | Package: libgcrypt20 on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.3-2+deb8u4; jessie-security: 1.6.3-2+deb8u4; jessie-backports: 1.7.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.7.6-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.7.6-2+deb9u1; buster: 1.7.8-2; sid: 1.7.8-2; experimental: 1.8.0-1 |
| 01:48.09 | jmcnaught | that library doesn't even seem to be present on jessie |
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| 01:50.01 | bamb | so after googleing, i found this: https://gnupg.org/download/index.html |
| 01:50.14 | bamb | thats the only place i see to download it |
| 01:50.40 | bamb | jmcnaught: how does the package number (11) map to the software version (1.8.0)? |
| 01:51.34 | bamb | the debian maintainers prolly have to get the source from somewhere too right? |
| 01:51.38 | bamb | they will need to build it |
| 01:51.40 | ee1 | Howdy cowboys. How can I make so my debian system filters all of its traffic threw a proxy? Any guide that can take me from a-z within this subject? Something like openvpn setup |
| 01:51.45 | jayarcs | For anyone who likes a Dark/Mono/Black themes for gnome3/shell -- I've forked off an adaptation of the great Adapta theme by Tista500 and made it daaaark. -- https://github.com/jayarc/Adaptdark -- Criticize, laugh at via pull request, suggest, all is welcome. Thanks for contributing all :) |
| 01:53.09 | jmcnaught | bamb: what version of the library is installed on the computer that is compiling it? |
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| 01:54.51 | jmcnaught | ,bug rm libgcrypt11 |
| 01:54.56 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/767611 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: libgcrypt11 -- ROM; Superceded by libgcrypt20»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-11-01; last modified: 2015-04-12. |
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| 01:55.03 | bamb | libgcrypt11 :) |
| 01:55.19 | bamb | ohh wow i just realized i can copy the binary over lol |
| 01:55.29 | jmcnaught | bamb: what is the version of the package? 'apt-cache policy libgcrypt11' |
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| 01:56.09 | jmcnaught | and then you have this random library on your system that will never get upgraded with security fixes |
| 01:56.36 | sumyunseal | so |
| 01:56.39 | bamb | libgcrypt11: |
| 01:56.39 | bamb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:57.04 | bamb | jmcnaught: this is a test computer. not for active use |
| 01:57.16 | jmcnaught | bamb: really you should try what you need to do with the version of qemu in Debian. If you had problem with qemu in wheezy and started using this workaround, maybe you don't need to for the version in stretch |
| 01:57.48 | jmcnaught | failing that, build and use qemu in a wheezy schroot on the systems that will be using it |
| 01:58.01 | bamb | jmcnaught: where do the debian maintainers get the source code from for libgcrypt11? |
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| 01:59.24 | jmcnaught | bamb: look it up on the tracker: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libgcrypt11 |
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| 02:01.39 | bamb | jmcnaught: very interesting page. each debian package has a changelog of how the code got into debian like this? |
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| 02:02.34 | jmcnaught | yes you can look up any Debian package on that tracker |
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| 02:03.55 | bamb | so in this case Andreas had to compile it and give it to debian, or is there a code escrow somewhere? |
| 02:04.08 | jmcnaught | bamb: this software, it doesn't compile against libgcrypt20 at all? |
| 02:05.21 | jmcnaught | it's not clear *why* you need this very old version of a library. Are you building something on wheezy and hoping it will work on stretch? |
| 02:05.46 | bamb | i have some old code that i need to run on a new machcine |
| 02:06.00 | bamb | jmcnaught: do they escrow this code? |
| 02:06.19 | __[0_0]__ | trust fund bby |
| 02:06.50 | jmcnaught | what do you mean by escrow? If you have deb-src sources configured then you can 'apt-get source <package>' any package in Debian |
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| 02:07.33 | jmcnaught | #784054 |
| 02:07.34 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/784054 in wnpp (open): «RFP: libgcrypt11 -- LGPL Crypto library»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2015-05-02; last modified: 2017-01-06. |
| 02:09.05 | bamb | how would i know which git commit ID to checkout when building? |
| 02:09.56 | bamb | i see this page: https://tracker.debian.org/news/854143 |
| 02:10.00 | bamb | but it doesnt have commit ID |
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| 02:11.34 | bamb | ok ill figure this out later. thanks jmcnaught |
| 02:11.35 | jmcnaught | bamb: maybe someone else will help you with trying to shoehorn an old library into stretch, but my advice is either build the program on stretch so that it's compiled for the libraries in stretch (this should be a no brainer), or if it cannot be built on stretch then run build and/or run it inside a wheezy container |
| 02:12.21 | bamb | ill try uploading individual .so's |
| 02:12.26 | bamb | and use LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 02:12.40 | jmcnaught | at least put them in /usr/local/lib and not /usr/lib |
| 02:12.52 | bamb | yea |
| 02:12.57 | bamb | remmeber, this is a big hack |
| 02:13.06 | bamb | im planning to port everything to neweer versions soon |
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| 02:21.03 | DBA_1 | So. |
| 02:21.04 | DBA_1 | Very. |
| 02:21.07 | DBA_1 | Quiet. |
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| 02:38.58 | jmcnaught | !ops ipv6 spam |
| 02:38.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: ipv6 spam |
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| 03:38.50 | Blendify | hi, I installed debian but the wifi driver failed while installing so not everything is install now, is there some script to make sure everything is downloaded that would be in a normal stretch full debian install? |
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| 03:41.20 | themill | Blendify: there's not really a "full debian install". What do you want to have installed? |
| 03:42.02 | Blendify | everything that normally gets install when you install debian |
| 03:42.50 | themill | there is no 'normal' it depends upon what the person sitting in front of the installer chooses and the hardware that is present |
| 03:42.58 | themill | So what do *you* want? |
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| 03:43.47 | Blendify | I do not know I just know I am missing a bunch of stuff like the archive manager for example |
| 03:44.19 | themill | wonders what archive manager is |
| 03:44.25 | themill | !install gnome |
| 03:44.25 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install â¦Â» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
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| 03:45.03 | themill | guesses |
| 03:46.34 | Blendify | I used https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst without internet so I am not sure what did not get downloaded while installing |
| 03:47.00 | themill | You wouldn't even Xorg if you'd been on the netinst |
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| 03:48.03 | themill | anyway, you can just run "tasksel" and redo the software selection step |
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| 03:48.45 | Blendify | will I need to be root? or will it work with sudo? |
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| 03:49.08 | themill | sudo just runs things as a different user, such as root |
| 03:49.20 | sumyunseal | Blendify, u need CD1 |
| 03:49.34 | themill | Blendify: do you have a working internet connection now? |
| 03:49.36 | sumyunseal | that will install full debian w out all the garbage |
| 03:49.55 | sumyunseal | and u can select NO to use mirror |
| 03:50.02 | themill | sumyunseal: please stop |
| 03:50.12 | sumyunseal | stop what freak |
| 03:50.18 | Blendify | themill, yes |
| 03:50.22 | themill | you're talking nonsense, please stop |
| 03:50.40 | sumyunseal | im talking from personal experience |
| 03:50.48 | themill | Blendify: then you can just use tasksel to add in whatever you wanted from that selection screen, or alternatively use apt directly |
| 03:50.54 | themill | sumyunseal: no, you're talking nonsense. |
| 03:51.09 | sumyunseal | fuck you |
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| 03:51.32 | themill | sumyunseal: there is no difference between the installers and there is no need for Blendify to reinstall |
| 03:51.47 | sumyunseal | i just shared a tip |
| 03:51.53 | sumyunseal | thats how i install debian |
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| 03:52.41 | themill | it's not a tip, it's useless noise that is at best useless, at worst damaging |
| 03:53.35 | Blendify | this should get me closer to what I need thanks themill |
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| 04:02.55 | Blendify | does debian not have a audio section in the settings menu? |
| 04:03.56 | klys | there's a debian settings menu? |
| 04:04.12 | klys | which desktop are you using? |
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| 04:04.34 | Blendify | xfce |
| 04:05.01 | Blendify | "Settings Manager" |
| 04:05.44 | klys | try rynning alsamixer at a terminal prompt |
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| 04:08.07 | Blendify | klys, it opens but changing the volume just not change the speaker volume |
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| 04:09.05 | klys | are you adjusting the master volume? |
| 04:09.27 | klys | that would be the bar on the left |
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| 04:11.29 | Blendify | klys, I think I had the wrong sound card selected |
| 04:12.20 | klys | ok |
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| 04:12.53 | Blendify | I still cannot find a way to out put sound through hdmi |
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| 04:13.23 | devtroid | Hiii |
| 04:13.28 | klys | you need a .asoundrc for that, I think. |
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| 04:14.37 | devtroid | I'm new here. |
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| 04:14.48 | klys | hi |
| 04:15.08 | devtroid | Is there a channel for devs? |
| 04:15.18 | devtroid | Web devs or slt? |
| 04:15.19 | abrotman | devs of what? |
| 04:15.31 | abrotman | devtroid: Which kind of web dev? |
| 04:16.39 | abrotman | devtroid: ? |
| 04:16.40 | devtroid | In general. |
| 04:16.49 | devtroid | Web pages. web apps. |
| 04:16.54 | abrotman | front end? backend? |
| 04:17.03 | devtroid | Different languagues. |
| 04:17.05 | devtroid | Both haha |
| 04:17.07 | abrotman | there are channels like #web or ##php etc |
| 04:17.13 | abrotman | devtroid: /msg alis help |
| 04:17.24 | klys | debian developers? |
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| 04:26.06 | nvz | I'm trying to do "ssh roger@10.0.0.104" and I copied my ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub using a removable drive to this machine and did cat id_rsa.pub /home/roger/.ssh/authorized_keys but its saying "Permission denied (public key)" the sshd_config says PubkeyAuthentication yes, and RSAAuthentication yes, so I'm at a loss what is wrong here |
| 04:26.58 | nvz | unless somehow my pub/private keys don't match or got corrupted but I somehow doubt that |
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| 04:33.45 | jayarcs | devtroid: Try #web |
| 04:36.52 | jmcnaught | nvz: You could look at the logs on the server with 'journalctl -u ssh' or the files /var/log/syslog and /var/log/auth.log, and run the ssh client with -v |
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| 04:40.07 | nvz | jmcnaught: ah. I'm seeing bad ownership or modes for /home/roger which again doesn't make much sense to me.. he's logged in using mate.. if there were bad perms on his homedir he'd have known it a long time ago |
| 04:41.05 | jmcnaught | do you get that error with the client? can you show the full error? If not check that .ssh is not accessible to others and that all the files in it belong do the user |
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| 04:42.05 | nvz | no I dont get any error with -v it tries pubkey auth offering the rsa key, shows the same as without the -v, Permission denied (pubkey auth) |
| 04:42.45 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.00 | nvz | well it says or mode, not permission |
| 04:43.59 | nvz | Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for direcory /home/roger |
| 04:44.12 | jmcnaught | that means that all users have write merrions (777). You probably want 755 at least for ~ |
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| 04:44.57 | jmcnaught | heh merrions⦠i don't know how i made that out of permissions |
| 04:45.30 | nvz | yeah well I would, certainly.. I make my homedirs 700 but this is my father we're talking about.. he really wouldnt care if there was nopassword ssh and his ip was in the phone book |
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| 04:45.50 | jmcnaught | clearly sshd cares about it |
| 04:46.11 | nvz | yeah well how can you get permission denied from everyone has permissions? heh |
| 04:46.16 | nvz | that doesn't even make any sense |
| 04:46.48 | jmcnaught | sshd is refusing to allow authentication with a key that might not have been put their by the user, because other users have write permission on their home directory |
| 04:47.21 | nvz | then the error should say Permission promiscuous or something, not permission denied |
| 04:47.55 | jmcnaught | I thought it said Authentication refused |
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| 04:48.26 | nvz | on the server side, sure, but then says bad ownership or modes.. on the client side it says permission denied |
| 04:48.31 | devtroid | What r u two talking about? |
| 04:48.56 | nvz | oh I was having a failing pubkey auth on ssh which is apparently because the user's permissions are too loose |
| 04:49.25 | nvz | which would explain why I never encountered this, because I never done more than 755, and typically do 700 for my homedirs |
| 04:49.32 | jmcnaught | nvz: ssh is telling you Permission denied because your public key was not accepted |
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| 04:51.22 | nvz | well chmod 700 /home/roger didn't fix it |
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| 04:54.44 | nvz | it may be worth mentioning his computer is an amd64 running jessie and mine is armhf running stretch, idk if that could be related to this issue |
| 04:55.31 | jmcnaught | my stretch clients can connect to jessie servers, and there would be an error message about no acceptable cipher could be negotiated or something like that |
| 04:56.00 | jmcnaught | is the error still the same in the server logs after changing ~ permissions? |
| 04:56.53 | nvz | yes same error message |
| 04:58.42 | jmcnaught | nvz: increasing the LogLevel in /etc/ssh/sshd_config might yield more information |
| 04:59.18 | nvz | if I recall there was a way to manually run the server with verbose output |
| 05:01.16 | themill | !debug sshd |
| 05:01.16 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. See also <slow ssh connect>, <ssh permissions>. |
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| 05:07.04 | nvz | hmm, idk still got me stumped, most I'm getting is that Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for diretory /home/roger, and I set /home/roger to 700 and /home/roger/.ssh recursively to 755 |
| 05:08.17 | jmcnaught | nvz: the other way around is the default, ~ is 755, ~/.ssh is 700 |
| 05:08.37 | abff | ps |
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| 05:08.59 | nvz | I really dont see why any of this would matter, I'm ssh as roger, and roger has permssions to everything relevant |
| 05:10.01 | jmcnaught | nvz: 700 on both should be fine too, but sshd doesn't like ~/.ssh to be 755 |
| 05:10.46 | nvz | idk, but I tried it the other way around and still getting same results with it 777, 755, 700, nothing makes a difference |
| 05:11.13 | jmcnaught | !ssh permissions |
| 05:11.13 | dpkg | You cannot use your ssh key if the permissions are set on your client so that someone else can steal it, or if the permissions on the remote machine permit someone else adding keys. On the client: chmod 755 ~/; chmod 700 ~/.ssh; chmod 600 ~/.ssh/id_rsa. On the server: chmod 755 ~/; chmod 700 ~/.ssh; chmod 600 ~/.ssh/authorized_keys See also <ssh-copy-id>. http://mywiki.wooledge.org/SshKeys |
| 05:11.49 | nvz | thats all about client permissions we're talking server permissions |
| 05:12.00 | jmcnaught | it's about both |
| 05:12.09 | nvz | the pubkey is supposed to be stolen.. its the damn pubkey :P |
| 05:12.33 | nvz | it someone doesnt take it, its useless |
| 05:14.45 | nvz | well the permissions are now that exactly and the problem remains exactly the same |
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| 05:21.46 | peterrooney | I have a mounted drive (ext3) that has ground to a snails pace for reading/writing - video, audio skips; find and ls take ages. where to discover what's wrong? example, 1 MB file sync takes over 25 seconds. smartctl test indicates everything OK. |
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| 05:22.38 | mandeep | ldlinux.32 failed to load when booting from usb. is there a fix? |
| 05:22.41 | klys | peterrooney, please check dmesg |
| 05:22.57 | klys | peterrooney, it sounds like your drive is about to fail. |
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| 05:26.04 | mandeep | i guess ill try creating the boot usb on windows |
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| 05:30.52 | peterrooney | klys: http://paste.debian.net/982075/ |
| 05:32.17 | klys | peterrooney the more DRDY errors you get in dmesg the more likely your drive is to fail soon. hope you have a backup. |
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| 05:36.16 | Mordain | regarding 'top', in batch mode (-b) what are the field names (-o xxx) for memory and time ? |
| 05:37.35 | peterrooney | I have spare drives somewhere. But what does DRDY even mean? what subsystem is producing that error? |
| 05:38.50 | klys | peterrooney, the linux kernel has drivers that do a hard reset on the drive. |
| 05:39.11 | peterrooney | klys: note, the message is "DRDY" and not "DRDY ERR" |
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| 05:40.05 | klys | you probably have a lot of those messages too |
| 05:42.06 | peterrooney | klys: nope, just two this uptime |
| 05:42.53 | peterrooney | no "DRDY ERR" at all |
| 05:43.32 | klys | I'm not sure it's supposed to say ERR, just SeekComplete or something like that. |
| 05:43.53 | klys | which, I can see it does not say |
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| 05:58.09 | peterrooney | klys: I'm going to assume it's near dead and make a local backup. Backup is offsite , and I don't feel like driving across town and waking up the innocent. |
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| 06:00.00 | klys | okay then. |
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| 06:38.47 | jntme | good morning o/. I'm looking for a simple possibility for adding email forwardings on an email server. I thought maybe a Server Control Panel like froxlor or Plesk would be easiest.. I want to be able to add forwardings programatically.. Someone an idea? |
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| 06:46.01 | m712 | hello, is security.debian.org offline for anyone? apt-get update gets stuck on it |
| 06:46.08 | m712 | from 2 different machines |
| 06:46.47 | klys | can ping, http connection not working tho. |
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| 06:46.54 | m712 | yeah |
| 06:47.08 | m712 | should I comment it out for now and wait till it fixes itself? |
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| 06:47.19 | m712 | this may be an attack or something |
| 06:47.23 | klys | there might be a mirror |
| 06:48.00 | m712 | checking it |
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| 06:50.00 | m712 | can't see any mirrors for security., can only see the main debian repo mirrors |
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| 06:54.57 | klys | I was able to connect to http://villa.debian.org with lynx, just that it was very slow and I did not receive much information. |
| 06:55.28 | klys | so, it's probably the target of someone's DDoS attack. |
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| 06:59.16 | m712 | probably |
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| 07:07.47 | iodev | m712: happens to me too |
| 07:08.00 | iodev | takes a long time to contact security.debian.org on apt-get update, but I wait |
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| 07:21.31 | creichen | Hi! I'm having some issues with msmtp failing on sends to GMail with `TLS certificate verification failed: the certificate hasn't got a known issuer' since yesterday. It seems unexpected that I'd have to download Google certificates by hand; have there been packaging changes for certificates that I've missed? |
| 07:22.19 | m712 | creichen: i think this channel is not the right place for msmtp discussion |
| 07:23.31 | creichen | m712: The certificates are supposed to be provided by the OS, though. |
| 07:23.59 | iodev | creichen: sudo apt-get install ca-certificates? |
| 07:24.06 | creichen | Otherwise I'd agree that asking about a specific program doesn't make sense. Is there a special security or mail channel pertaining to Debian? |
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| 07:25.43 | creichen | iodev: It's installed. I tried with --reinstall,, but no effect. Thanks, though! :-) |
| 07:25.56 | iodev | creichen: let' |
| 07:25.59 | iodev | * let |
| 07:26.02 | iodev | sorry |
| 07:26.31 | iodev | let's try openssl s_client diagnostic on smtp |
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| 07:27.34 | creichen | Never mind, I just realised that it is a purely local issue (was looking at the wrong config file). Sorry to bother you! |
| 07:27.57 | creichen | (And thank you!) |
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| 07:29.16 | iodev | no problem |
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| 08:11.40 | WosTeN | yow |
| 08:11.42 | WosTeN | hello all |
| 08:11.45 | WosTeN | can anyone help me |
| 08:12.37 | cheapie | no |
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| 08:14.42 | cheapie | Now, if you were to actually state what problem you're having, then maybe someone can help you with it :P |
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| 08:15.40 | xormor | no meta-questions (do not ask if you can ask or if someone can help or if someone is here), just ask the question and wait. |
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| 08:16.48 | cheapie | Yeah.... this isn't that, this channel is for tech support, generally involving Debian. |
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| 09:54.20 | ewew | Hi. Did someone had trouble with association of default program for some files. In my account it forgets the association. |
| 09:54.36 | ewew | running on xfce4 |
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| 09:58.39 | AlexLikeRock | ewew, x-defaults at google , search |
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| 10:04.03 | ewew | i did set it as root, but it seams there is a override. The worst thing is i dont know which file is for user settings. |
| 10:04.42 | AlexLikeRock | make changes with root :-( |
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| 10:05.38 | ewew | i did but it seams it overrides it. dont know why. |
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| 10:11.48 | ewew | Now it looks like there a bug in thunar. |
| 10:15.34 | m712 | snippety snappity :DDDDDDDDDDDDDddddddddd |
| 10:15.40 | m712 | whoopsie wrong channel |
| 10:15.50 | ewew | yes. it confirmed. if i open for example three folder with Open in new tab then the association disappears. If opened by clicking thru folders then its in it place. |
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| 10:35.50 | nbl_ | Hello guys |
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| 10:37.07 | nbl_ | I have a thinkpad x220 and I would like to install a minimal debian 9 with xorg but when I do that I have a error message : AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0, I don't understand it |
| 10:37.54 | thinkpad | have you tried installing gentoo? |
| 10:38.05 | jelly | looks at thinkpad |
| 10:38.09 | iodev | I used to run gentoo |
| 10:38.12 | nbl_ | no why ? |
| 10:38.26 | iodev | but now debian |
| 10:38.29 | nbl_ | with debian 8 all worked correctly |
| 10:38.33 | jelly | nbl_: where do you see this message? /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 10:38.47 | jelly | how do you start X? |
| 10:38.48 | iodev | nbl_: be aware that deb 9 was released |
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| 10:39.10 | jelly | iodev: they're aware. > install a minimal debian 9 with xorg but when I do that I |
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| 10:39.37 | jelly | they literally just wrote they installed debian 9 and have some issues |
| 10:39.51 | iodev | :'( |
| 10:40.05 | jelly | don't cry, just read carefully |
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| 10:40.37 | iodev | ahh, okay |
| 10:41.08 | nbl_ | jelly: I start X with the command `startx` |
| 10:41.51 | iodev | nbl_: do you have intel xorg driver installed? |
| 10:41.57 | nbl_ | jelly: Yeah I see this message in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and on screen too |
| 10:42.02 | iodev | how was that, xorg-xserver-video-intel |
| 10:42.02 | nbl_ | iodev: yeah |
| 10:42.09 | jelly | nbl_: pastebin your Xorg.0.log and dmesg, please |
| 10:42.32 | nbl_ | jelly: I can't |
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| 10:42.46 | jelly | iodev: xserver-xorg-video-intel is deprecated, video-modesetting is preferred for intel gpus these days |
| 10:42.48 | nbl_ | jelly: two seconds |
| 10:42.53 | jelly | !pastebinit |
| 10:42.54 | dpkg | A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 10:43.10 | nbl_ | dpkg: ty |
| 10:43.10 | dpkg | from memory, ty is #del# |
| 10:43.21 | nbl_ | jelly: ty |
| 10:43.42 | zoak | what about the new kernel? kernel sx |
| 10:43.45 | jelly | nbl_: pastebinit -b https://paste.debian.net < /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 10:43.52 | Penta | Greetings! I am about to install Debian 9. My PC likes to shutdown because of overheating. With that in mind, should I install the 32 or 64bit version? |
| 10:44.13 | jelly | Penta: it probably doesn't matter |
| 10:44.14 | Penta | Also, is it smart to install KDE? I have bad experiences with LXDE and Xfce on Debian |
| 10:44.40 | nbl_ | jelly: ty very much |
| 10:44.47 | iodev | jelly: okay |
| 10:44.57 | Penta | jelly so, should I go with 64bit when I can? |
| 10:44.58 | nbl_ | jelly: why I can't find xserver-xorg-video-modesetting ? |
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| 10:45.13 | rnix | hi, what happens with files installed with dh_install if they already exist (and are modified) in fs on reinstall or update? |
| 10:45.16 | jelly | nbl_: because it's built in xserver-xorg-core |
| 10:45.21 | jelly | and always present |
| 10:45.33 | nbl_ | jelly: ok ty |
| 10:45.42 | jelly | Penta: right |
| 10:46.15 | jelly | Penta: unless you have a very very low amount or memory, say 1GB or less, then saving 0-10% with i386 might be worth it |
| 10:46.40 | Penta | I think I have two GB |
| 10:46.51 | iodev | Penta: yes, then go with 64 bit |
| 10:47.22 | jelly | and clean that pc :> |
| 10:47.24 | Penta | Okay. And the environment? Is KDE okay? |
| 10:47.26 | nbl_ | Xorg.0.log: http://paste.debian.net/982094/ |
| 10:47.34 | Penta | It is clean =( |
| 10:47.40 | jelly | on the inside, too |
| 10:47.50 | Penta | Oh? I didn't know I can do that |
| 10:47.59 | Penta | It's a notebook |
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| 10:49.14 | iodev | Penta: you can clean a notebook with compresseed air |
| 10:49.19 | iodev | to not lose warranty |
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| 10:50.25 | jelly | it's probably out of warranty, might need a good cleanup and maybe thermal paste replacement |
| 10:50.46 | nbl_ | jelly: do you see the pastebin ? |
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| 10:51.20 | jelly | nbl_: not sure, my browser is having fits |
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| 10:54.06 | jelly | nbl_: did they make x220 with nvidia inside? Why does your log say /usr/lib/xorg/modules/linux/libglx.so belongs to nvidia closed course driver? |
| 10:54.26 | jelly | closed source*, even |
| 10:54.53 | nbl_ | jelly: because I don't know which package to install so I did apt-get install xserver-xorg-video- |
| 10:54.58 | nbl_ | jelly: because I don't know which package to install so I did apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-* |
| 10:55.03 | jelly | nbl_: what does «readlink -f /usr/lib/xorg/modules/linux/libglx.so» say |
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| 10:56.06 | Penta | iodev jelly can you recommend some YouTube videos that show me what to do? The first result makes me very anxious |
| 10:56.20 | nbl_ | jelly: there is nothing inside |
| 10:56.35 | jelly | Penta: that will be highly dependent on the brand and model |
| 10:56.36 | nbl_ | jelly: maybe because I remove xserver-xorg-video-nvdia package |
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| 10:56.47 | Penta | Toshiba L300 |
| 10:57.04 | Penta | - 13Z |
| 10:57.20 | jelly | nbl_: maye you shouldn't install or remove things at the same time, and change the environment otherwise, while you're asking for help |
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| 10:57.46 | nbl_ | jelly: sorry |
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| 10:58.54 | jelly | nbl_: let's redo from the start. Run startx again, when it fails, pastebin Xorg.0.log again and pastebin output of dmesg too (you'll have to run dmesg as root). |
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| 10:59.08 | nbl_ | jelly: ok |
| 10:59.38 | nbl_ | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/982097/ |
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| 11:01.10 | nbl_ | jelly: http://pastE.debian |
| 11:01.26 | nbl_ | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/982098/ |
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| 11:02.37 | jelly | Penta: and yes, laptops can be VERY unfriendly to disassembly for cleanup. If you're unsure, best find a professional service that does refurbishing and cleanup |
| 11:02.53 | Penta | Ufff. How much would that be? |
| 11:03.30 | jelly | since it's mostly manual work, depends on your country or residence |
| 11:03.32 | Penta | RighRight now my trick is to use coolpack for the forehead |
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| 11:04.28 | jelly | compressed air thru air intake might help a bit. But this isn't really a Debian issue, best consult ##hardware I guess |
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| 11:07.15 | jelly | nbl_: how did you install nvidia driver? |
| 11:07.27 | jelly | get rid of that, for one thing |
| 11:07.51 | jelly | it's probably not the cause, but it sure is in the way |
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| 11:09.07 | nbl_ | jelly: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-* |
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| 11:12.11 | jelly | nbl_: is there anything in output of: aptitude search '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)' |
| 11:12.52 | jelly | nbl_: if there is, purge all of that: aptitude purge '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)', and pastebin the output of that command |
| 11:13.12 | jelly | after that, reboot and try again |
| 11:14.58 | jelly | it sounds vaguely related to Xorg not having to run as root in stretch, maybe they broke startx, but who knows |
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| 11:16.03 | nbl_ | jelly: ty |
| 11:16.10 | nbl_ | jelly: I'm rebooting |
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| 11:18.54 | nbl_ | jelly: Always the same thing |
| 11:19.16 | nbl_ | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/982101/ |
| 11:19.32 | nbl_ | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/982102/ |
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| 11:20.12 | jelly | rnix: dh_install only puts files in place inside your package. What happens at installation or upgrade of a binary deb package isn't related to dh_* scripts, but to debian policy. If a file wasn't owned by any package, and it's not a conffile, it gets overwritten |
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| 11:22.13 | jelly | nbl_: okay, but at least there's no mention of nvidia either in xorg or in dmesg. What about [ 101.706] (EE) Please also check the log file at "/home/nbl/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log" for additional information. |
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| 11:22.38 | jelly | nbl_: can you pastebin that one as well? |
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| 11:23.24 | cluelessperson | hey guys, I need to remotely control which OS boots on a machine. I have windows installed on one drive, and debian on the other, is there a way to modify grub to boot windows if I set a flag?, and always boot the debian partition? |
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| 11:26.30 | BluesKaj_ | cluelessperson, set the windows drive as first in the boot sequence, unless they are not separate drives as you first mentioned and just partitions |
| 11:27.23 | BluesKaj_ | set the boot sequence in your uefi or bios |
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| 11:31.59 | cluelessperson | BluesKaj_: the issue is being able to remotely modify it so it boots the other way |
| 11:32.04 | BluesKaj_ | cluelessperson, correctiom, set the debian drive as first if it's axtaualli ] |
| 11:32.21 | BluesKaj_ | actially sepae |
| 11:32.23 | BluesKaj_ | r |
| 11:32.48 | BluesKaj_ | oops power failure...glitch\ |
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| 11:33.53 | BluesKaj_ | are they separate drives or partitions? |
| 11:34.33 | BluesKaj_ | cluelessperson, ^ |
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| 11:36.38 | BluesKaj_ | trying to recover here ... cluelessperson , yes set the drive you want as first in the boot sequence, but you need access to the machine physically to change that |
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| 11:45.22 | jayarcs | For anyone who likes a Dark/Mono/Black themes for gnome3/shell -- I've forked off an adaptation of the great Adapta theme by Tista500 and made it daaaark. -- https://github.com/jayarc/Adaptdark -- Criticize, laugh, request, suggest, all is welcome. Thanks for contributing all :) |
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| 11:49.16 | sbeex | hello guys. I just installed debian9 and discovered than wlan0 is no more there... instead it is wl<mac address> if I am right. Can we disable this feature to have again wlan0 somehow ? |
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| 11:49.55 | cluelessperson | BluesKaj_: seperate drives. :) |
| 11:50.20 | BluesKaj_ | sbeex, welcome to systemd naming convention |
| 11:50.26 | Brigo | sbeex, systemd issue: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ |
| 11:50.30 | cluelessperson | BluesKaj_: or I can maybe setup grub to point to the other drive and modify that via firmware |
| 11:51.30 | BluesKaj_ | cluelessperson, I've tried taht very thing in grub, but it wasn't successful |
| 11:51.45 | sbeex | BluesKaj_: yes... but it's a pain in the *** for me... I use it on a raspberry pi and I want to setup a dhcp for wlan0 (because I guess this name will change everytime I resinstall a new raspberry pi right ? |
| 11:51.49 | dvs | sbeex, that's what 70-persistent-net.rules used to do but these are the new device names |
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| 11:52.28 | sbeex | I am not against it but... I want to produce boxes and I don't want to have to search for the wl XYZ name... |
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| 11:53.47 | BluesKaj_ | sbeex, dunno, itsoesn't change my ethernet name when install clean. think it's a hw thing |
| 11:53.59 | BluesKaj_ | doesn't |
| 11:54.26 | sbeex | BluesKaj_: yes but if you install it on an other device then it iwll have a another name I guess? |
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| 11:54.41 | BluesKaj_ | yep |
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| 11:54.48 | sbeex | :/ here i'm dead |
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| 11:55.23 | sbeex | I am working on a project of cash register (I don't know if it's the correct name in english). And basically this is based on a raspberry pi. But if every box have a different wireless interface name .. |
| 11:56.10 | BluesKaj_ | if all the hw is thesame, maybe the name will be as well |
| 11:56.51 | rnix | jelly: thx |
| 11:57.06 | dvs | sbeex, but even if you try and force them to have the same name, you'll have to change the udev rule to make sure it gets the right device anywyas. |
| 11:57.12 | BluesKaj_ | sbeex, you could ask in #raspberrypi chat |
| 11:57.40 | sbeex | BluesKaj_: I was on #raspbian but it's dead there. Thank you I will try. |
| 11:58.36 | Brigo | sbeex, have you checked my link? the informacion you need is there. |
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| 11:59.38 | Guest55742 | jelly: I did a fresh minimal install and I installed just xorg and xmonad with "apt-get install xmonad xorg" command and always same ******* error |
| 11:59.47 | Guest55742 | jelly: sorry it's nbl |
| 12:01.16 | Guest55742 | !pastebinit |
| 12:01.16 | dpkg | A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 12:03.08 | sbeex | Brigo: it looks like a spec.. |
| 12:03.14 | cluelessperson | BluesKaj_: oh hey, it works. |
| 12:03.17 | sbeex | I will spent 1 min on it |
| 12:03.19 | cluelessperson | :D |
| 12:04.27 | askz | Hi folks, I have a server that timeouts when opening sockets on local ports. nc -vz 127.0.0.1 22 returns open port in 1 out 5 case, even worst sometimes. otherwise it timeouts. But from remote (ssh mysql etc) everything is working fine... any ideas? |
| 12:04.31 | BluesKaj_ | cluelessperson, cool :-) |
| 12:05.02 | BluesKaj_ | bbl |
| 12:06.12 | sbeex | Brigo: The interface names are fully predictable, i.e. just by looking at lspci you can figure out what the interface is going to be called |
| 12:06.28 | nvz | is there something that stops me from trying to ssh from inside a network behind a NAT to the external IP? I was trying to test and make sure the port forwarding was working before I left. |
| 12:06.32 | Brigo | sbeex, why do you tell me that? |
| 12:06.38 | sbeex | it is in your link |
| 12:07.17 | Brigo | sbeex, i know it, i just thought it would be usefull for you. It says how to turn that feature off. |
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| 12:07.43 | Brigo | nvz, yes, if the output port is blocked |
| 12:08.16 | sbeex | yes I saw that but suppose I want to use this new feature. Brigo then I should be able to predict this name and as my hardware is always the same (except the mac address I guess) |
| 12:08.29 | sbeex | it should be the same wireless name right |
| 12:08.30 | sbeex | ? |
| 12:09.07 | Brigo | sbeex, not sure, really don't care, it's not a problem for me, but i readed it and found it usefull. |
| 12:09.19 | nvz | I guess I can just use my phone and connectbot to test it out |
| 12:09.22 | Brigo | askz, a daemon already running in that port? |
| 12:09.34 | sbeex | haha ok ^^ |
| 12:09.50 | sbeex | linux spirit detected |
| 12:12.01 | Brigo | sbeex, i don't know what you mean with "linux spirit", i was just trying to help you out. |
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| 12:13.32 | askz | Brigo: actually I have the problem with too many port for that |
| 12:13.58 | askz | I just rebooted and it works.... But really strange. Never get that kind of weird bug in ten years aha |
| 12:14.06 | askz | it makes me really curious |
| 12:14.26 | askz | unfortunately it is a prod instance so I can't keep it down too much time.. |
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| 12:31.27 | MuffinMedic | Hi all. I need to create and mount a img file (read/write) with a specified mount point. I found instructions online, but they all do it as a loop device (-o loop). My system is in a Virtuozzo containtiner however, which doesn't support loop devices. Is there any other way to do this? |
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| 12:49.16 | Rhysers | Good Morning |
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| 13:12.13 | Rhysers | hello, I'm trying to write a script that checks to see if it can reach the internet, then ssh's into my router and reboots it if it can't. code here: paste.debian.net/982109 But it always thinks the router is down. |
| 13:12.44 | Rhysers | Also I don't actually have the command to reboot in there |
| 13:12.55 | Rhysers | I already have it but I got tired of rebooting my router |
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| 13:16.51 | toruvinn | Rhysers, im not sure what you wanted to do there. echo $0 just returns the script name. X=`echo Y` is basically the same as X=Y |
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| 13:17.14 | toruvinn | Rhysers, also why not just try to ping the router or your ISP's gateway? |
| 13:17.16 | Rhysers | ok. I found it online |
| 13:17.57 | Rhysers | I'm kicking myself on that point. I had a working script when i called it but It failed when run by crontab. somebody gave me some advice and i chagned it and now it doesn't work at all |
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| 13:18.40 | Rhysers | heres what i have for that. paste.debian.net/982110 |
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| 13:19.24 | Rhysers | they had me change something in the first line. had me change it from bash to "the mobile version" |
| 13:19.42 | toruvinn | Rhysers, should be 2>&1 not 2&1 |
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| 13:19.57 | Rhysers | Thanks! I'll give it a try |
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| 13:20.05 | toruvinn | Rhysers, also technically you can just if ! ping ... >/dev/null 2>&1; then |
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| 13:20.44 | Rhysers | lol i see it now |
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| 13:24.23 | Rhysers | sweet it works |
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| 13:24.51 | Rhysers | @toruvinn do I need to do anything to make sure it works in crontab? |
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| 13:26.47 | toruvinn | Rhysers, probably not as long as your `ping' isn't in a weird place. probably not the worst idea to setup PATH=... either in your crontab or in that script itself. |
| 13:26.47 | Rhysers | waiting for the next cron job in 4 min |
| 13:27.24 | Rhysers | sorry wrong window selected |
| 13:27.31 | toruvinn | i mean im guessing but you probably didnt remove /bin and /usr/bin from cron's PATH, so it should be fine |
| 13:28.56 | Rhysers | nope i didn't make any changes. |
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| 13:33.04 | gabrielc | Rhysers: another script https://paste.debian.net/982114/ |
| 13:35.36 | Rhysers | Thanks. I'll check it out |
| 13:36.21 | Rhysers | It worked for the VPN is down. No i just gotta wait for it to trigger again with the VPN up. Last time I didn't check and it just sat there rebooting my router every 10 min :P |
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| 13:37.26 | toruvinn | gabrielc, that's nice but i usually do it slightly differently. of course running it in a loop, but i need 3 consecutive failures to trigger whatever should happen. |
| 13:38.02 | toruvinn | gabrielc, cause it's gonna be sorta silly to reboot the router because one ping didnt go through, for example when he's torrenting something |
| 13:38.34 | toruvinn | but yeah i personally much prefer while true; do ...; done than crontab. |
| 13:38.41 | gabrielc | toruvinn: double, tiple check is good |
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| 13:39.22 | gabrielc | is that i just wrote the script as an example, i do not use it |
| 13:39.48 | Rhysers | is the loop going to be better? I have a windows background and generally try to avoid forever loops |
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| 13:40.18 | Rhysers | It works by the way. Thanks! |
| 13:40.48 | toruvinn | Rhysers, i generally believe that if you're doing something often (10 secs is often enough) it's better to have it run and sleep in the background than just have cron fork() and exec() a new process every time. ;-) |
| 13:41.05 | Rhysers | I'm running every 10 min |
| 13:41.08 | gabrielc | Rhysers: i avoid crontab when i want to script to run all the time |
| 13:41.44 | gabrielc | sleep is in seconds |
| 13:41.58 | gabrielc | i avoid crontab when i want to script to run all the time |
| 13:42.30 | toruvinn | yeah, i sometimes see things such as */1 * * * * ... in cron and those things incresae my blood pressure to 1024/768. |
| 13:42.40 | Rhysers | lol |
| 13:43.02 | gabrielc | i wanted to say, i avoid crontab when i have a task (script) that need run all the time |
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| 13:44.51 | gabrielc | also the script could search for a file on disk to finish its execution or to skip a part of the code |
| 13:45.13 | ajbone | Hello, /quit |
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| 14:15.44 | Shinobi | Is there an ETA when Deb will move to python 3? |
| 14:16.24 | nkuttler | sooner if you help? |
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| 14:21.46 | themill | Shinobi: there is no "move" to be done. |
| 14:22.29 | themill | (It's like asking when will Debian move from perl to go) |
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| 14:29.03 | BW^- | I just want a live Linux USB stick with some NTFS built in support, that boots well on an UEFI-only device. Clearly Kali does not boot well on UEFI. what more is there? |
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| 15:03.23 | Super | My debian is closing soon on the startup screen, I've tried forums, linux sites, distro documentation, and so on. Any light at the end of this tunnel |
| 15:04.04 | Super | ? |
| 15:04.20 | gabrielc | toruvinn: an improved version https://paste.debian.net/plain/982127 |
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| 15:06.15 | jmcnaught | Super: which release of Debian is it? When did this problem start? |
| 15:06.16 | Super | I feel bad for not being able to solve this problem myself, I am the technology manager of my company. That's kind of my pussy job. I would like to do it promptly but debian does not help me ... :( |
| 15:06.22 | Super | Debian Jessie |
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| 15:06.40 | Super | Error in systemd |
| 15:07.06 | jmcnaught | can you show the error and tell us what happened before this started? |
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| 15:07.31 | Super | yes |
| 15:07.33 | jmcnaught | and how does your Debian 'close'? what does that mean? |
| 15:07.42 | Super | just a minute |
| 15:07.54 | johnkeates | maybe he called is door debian and the door closed |
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| 15:11.06 | danewbie | what is the latest official debian kernel a 32bit user should be using at present? |
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| 15:13.09 | TheSilentLink | hi libjpeg8 is not installable |
| 15:13.12 | TheSilentLink | ? |
| 15:13.16 | LtL | judd, kernels |
| 15:13.17 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.13.0-rc5-686 (4.13~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); buster: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.11.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.11.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae |
| 15:13.18 | judd | (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2) |
| 15:13.37 | johnkeates | judd,coffee |
| 15:13.41 | johnkeates | :( |
| 15:13.49 | jmcnaught | danewbie: you should be using the kernel that comes with stable/stretch unless you need a newer one from stretch-backports for hardware support |
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| 15:14.43 | danewbie | i am not using backports. what is the actual version i should be using, then? |
| 15:15.22 | jmcnaught | TheSilentLink: that package isn't in Debian since wheezy. There are other libjpeg packages to use. |
| 15:15.25 | LtL | danewbie: stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 |
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| 15:15.42 | TheSilentLink | jmcnaught: trying to install gzdoom and it says it needs that package |
| 15:16.11 | jmcnaught | TheSilentLink: and where is gzdoom from? Also not in Debian. |
| 15:16.55 | TheSilentLink | so I'm guessing gzdoom doesn't support debian anymore |
| 15:17.12 | jmcnaught | or they just need to recompile for newer releases |
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| 15:18.21 | danewbie | jmcnaught, uname on my computer says: 4.9.0-3-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u3 (2017-08-06) i686 GNU/Linux BUT I believe https://www.debian.org/security/2017/dsa-3945 is telling me I should be using a newer kernel |
| 15:18.57 | LtL | dpkg: coffee johnkeates |
| 15:18.57 | dpkg | decants a fine brew of organic Jamaican Blue Mountain for johnkeates, courtesy of ltl |
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| 15:19.46 | jmcnaught | danewbie: that DSA only mentions jessie? |
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| 15:21.06 | danewbie | jmcnaught, what version of the kernel are *you* currently using? |
| 15:21.35 | MuffinMedic | I need to create and mount a img file (read/write) with a specified mount point. I found instructions online, but they all do it as a loop device (-o loop). My system is in a Virtuozzo containtiner however, which doesn't support loop devices. Is there any other way to do this? |
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| 15:22.31 | danewbie | jmcnaught, i am using debian 9 |
| 15:22.32 | th0r | MuffinMedic, you might look at fuseiso |
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| 15:23.18 | th0r | MuffinMedic, I know it handles iso files, so assume it will do img as well. Not sure if it is in stretch....I am still on jessie |
| 15:23.30 | MuffinMedic | Does it still require loop devices? |
| 15:24.20 | th0r | MuffinMedic, I don't know. It mounts an iso file to a specified directory, but I don't know the mechanics behind it. |
| 15:25.19 | jmcnaught | danewbie: the version you want to check is for the package. 'apt-cache policy linux-image-686-pae' will show the version of the kernel metapackage. For me it's 4.9+80+deb9u1, which depends on linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64 (the actual kernel) at version 4.9.30-2+deb9u3 |
| 15:25.22 | th0r | MuffinMedic, it is called fuseiso9660 in jessie |
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| 15:26.01 | MuffinMedic | Thank yo u. |
| 15:26.36 | danewbie | jmcnaught, ok thanks |
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| 15:33.09 | johnkeates | that was one nice cup of coffee |
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| 15:55.44 | Shinobi | how can install flash for firefox? |
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| 16:24.12 | Bliepo | Hello, I have a question about Apache2 and installed mod_ssl_ct using "sudo apxs -ci -I/usr/include/openssl mod_ssl_ct.c ssl_ct_util.c ssl_ct_sct.c ssl_ct_log_config.c" |
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| 16:24.31 | Bliepo | I figure I did something wrong, since I can't load it :( |
| 16:24.31 | danewbie | is there an audio equalizer for mpv? how can i equalize the audio at will when using mpv? |
| 16:25.06 | teraflops | danewbie: afaik nope |
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| 16:27.26 | danewbie | teraflops, do you use mpv? on debian 9? |
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| 16:27.44 | teraflops | I do use mpv everywhere |
| 16:27.58 | danewbie | everywhere? |
| 16:27.59 | teraflops | debian stretch included |
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| 16:28.32 | teraflops | windows and several linux distributions |
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| 16:29.57 | danewbie | teraflops, there must be a way to equalize the sound. have a look at this: https://github.com/wwmm/pulseeffects |
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| 16:31.38 | Henry151 | teraflops: you use windows??? |
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| 16:31.50 | Henry151 | traitor! traitor! |
| 16:32.18 | danewbie | does mpv on debian 9 use pulseaudio by default? i use debian 9 btw |
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| 16:32.50 | danewbie | Henry151, what make and model of mobile phone do you use? |
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| 16:34.15 | wonuku | I think something is wrong here https://pasteboard.co/GGoGRY7.png |
| 16:34.17 | teraflops | Henry151: if I have to |
| 16:34.43 | wonuku | 'high = +127.0°C, hyst = +105.0°C' |
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| 16:35.23 | danewbie | Henry151, what make and model of mobile phone do you use??? |
| 16:35.32 | Henry151 | danewbie: why? |
| 16:36.07 | Henry151 | Samsung Note 4 .. not that I'm particularly pleased with it, I'd like to choose a better one to be more in line with my principles |
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| 16:36.25 | Henry151 | but I *don't* touch windows |
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| 16:37.34 | teraflops | danewbie: if you are using pulseadio you do not have to --ao=pulse, if that's what you mean |
| 16:38.13 | teraflops | Henry151: i wish you have same strong principles at work |
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| 16:39.07 | danewbie | Henry151, Samsung Note 4, well you are also a sinner. btw, i have a Galaxy SIII which can run replicant. |
| 16:39.37 | teraflops | pff but you do use google which is way more evil |
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| 16:40.19 | lavenders | we need debian on mainstream smartphone and buy it on amazon, simple as that! |
| 16:40.40 | danewbie | Henry151, i do not have windows on my computer. are you a devotee or aspiring to become one? |
| 16:40.52 | Henry151 | i am a devotee |
| 16:41.08 | Henry151 | all of my 5 laptops are running debian or a derivitave distro |
| 16:41.20 | Henry151 | and my desktop too :D |
| 16:41.37 | danewbie | you are a devotee but have a Samsung Note 4, please explain... |
| 16:42.08 | Henry151 | my work requires me to use google docs / sheets, I hate it, I was just trying to talk my boss into switching to a different system, like a MySQL database with a php interface or something, anything but sheets |
| 16:42.10 | danewbie | Henry151, debian derivatives such like...? |
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| 16:42.21 | Henry151 | like skolelinux |
| 16:42.43 | Henry151 | for my laptops that i loan to my nephews for their homeschooling |
| 16:42.55 | Henry151 | and kali, for when i'm playing pentester |
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| 16:45.21 | afx_ | Hello! is there a way I can install a package from stretch on jessie? |
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| 16:45.50 | danewbie | Henry151, are you also running Trisquel GNU/Linux which, in a way, is a sort of like debian derivative? |
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| 16:46.31 | teraflops | afx_: first, check if it's backported |
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| 16:46.42 | danewbie | a devotee would not use a Samsung Note 4 |
| 16:46.50 | danewbie | Henry151, a devotee would not use a Samsung Note 4 |
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| 16:47.54 | afx_ | teraflops, its https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=megatools |
| 16:49.19 | Henry151 | lol |
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| 16:49.33 | Henry151 | what phone should i use |
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| 16:50.21 | Henry151 | my friend showed me this sick phone once that had like, orange packaging if i recall correctly; but I could never remember what it's called.. it was all open-source and stuff.. but I think it was ubuntu or something, i h8 ubuntu, never installed it on anything ever |
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| 16:52.36 | afx_ | teraflops, can't find it in jessie-backports |
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| 16:53.29 | teraflops | yeah, not there |
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| 16:53.56 | teraflops | you can try to backport it, there's a factoid I cannot remember for checking it |
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| 16:56.02 | Henry151 | what's the debian phone |
| 16:56.15 | Henry151 | y'all got me wanting to live up to my principles now |
| 16:56.40 | afx_ | teraflops, found here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFcni9XwUIk that you can install them with : deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
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| 17:00.30 | teraflops | afx_: bad idea |
| 17:00.47 | afx_ | teraflops, any workaround then ? |
| 17:00.48 | teraflops | that's why I told you: check backports |
| 17:01.05 | teraflops | check if you can backport it by yourself |
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| 17:01.36 | teraflops | you can also apt pining, not that I'm recommending you to do so |
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| 17:02.00 | teraflops | afx_: it's just you went for the wrong approach |
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| 17:02.14 | teraflops | s/worst |
| 17:02.28 | afx_ | teraflops, no idea how to backport a package found this https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 17:02.54 | teraflops | yep |
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| 17:03.36 | Henry151 | so nobody points me to the real debian phone |
| 17:03.44 | Henry151 | i want open-source free-as-in-speech hardware |
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| 17:05.44 | teraflops | this is not the right place |
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| 17:06.18 | afx_ | teraflops, wouldn't it be easier to compile the package? |
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| 17:06.35 | teraflops | idk about it |
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| 17:07.17 | afx_ | teraflops, found this http://blog.hbautista.com/linux/megatools-en-debian-jessie/ |
| 17:07.32 | teraflops | afx_: sure, put the stuff where it can't interfere with debian package manager and youll be fine |
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| 17:08.17 | teraflops | see, it's python :P |
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| 17:09.54 | teraflops | afx_: you speak spanish? I was about to make a joke about the jedi stuff at top of the page :P |
| 17:09.59 | Penta | How can I check if a word is part of a file/binary with grep? |
| 17:10.11 | Penta | I did it like 2 weeks ago, but forgot the command |
| 17:10.16 | afx_ | teraflops, no spanish :) |
| 17:10.17 | nkuttler | Penta: check the exit value? |
| 17:10.28 | afx_ | teraflops, found this too http://www.matteomattei.com/backup-your-server-on-mega-co-nz-using-megatools/ |
| 17:10.29 | teraflops | Penta: you mean the name of the file binary? |
| 17:10.33 | nkuttler | Penta: pipe through strings? |
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| 17:10.48 | Penta | Ummm |
| 17:10.52 | teraflops | because the contents of the binary are⦠binary |
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| 17:11.07 | Penta | I entered grep WORDTOSEARCH file and then the Terminal told me if it's present |
| 17:11.46 | Penta | Something like that I mean |
| 17:11.57 | teraflops | afx_: sure, just put in ~/.local/bin or whatever systemwide |
| 17:12.24 | teraflops | Penta: you want to grep contents of file? |
| 17:12.29 | Penta | Yes! |
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| 17:12.35 | teraflops | the binary part was a bit weird |
| 17:13.10 | teraflops | Penta: there are many examples on the intertubes |
| 17:13.11 | Penta | Sorry. So you know what I mean? |
| 17:13.19 | teraflops | yep I know what you mean now |
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| 17:14.03 | Penta | What do I need to enter? |
| 17:14.33 | teraflops | grep -HiRE "string" /path/to/dir should work |
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| 17:16.37 | Penta | teraflops Nice, thank you! |
| 17:16.40 | teraflops | np |
| 17:16.57 | danewbie | Henry151, https://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/ReplicantStatus#Replicant-60 a die hard devotee would not use a mobile phone at all. but a plain devotee would be expected to use a mobile phone with replicant. |
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| 17:20.22 | afx_ | teraflops, there is also this https://mega.nz/cmd . Is there a reason I should worry installing it ? |
| 17:20.34 | teraflops | yes many |
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| 17:21.02 | teraflops | I meant if that's an installer avoid it |
| 17:21.28 | teraflops | first link you posted looks fine |
| 17:21.46 | teraflops | not that I used such tools or installed them ever |
| 17:21.55 | afx_ | its an installer |
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| 17:22.50 | afx_ | https://github.com/meganz/sdk/tree/master/examples/megacmd |
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| 17:23.20 | afx_ | you mean the spanish ? |
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| 17:30.01 | edfox | Hello, i'm having some issues with sshfs and gvfs |
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| 17:30.40 | teraflops | afx_: yep |
| 17:30.42 | edfox | I can mount properly ssh hosts using the sshfs command or fstab, but gvfs seems to completely ignore it, no matter what i do. The only things i can mount using gvfs are my internal hard drives |
| 17:31.01 | edfox | How can i troubleshoot it? |
| 17:31.01 | teraflops | afx_: because is not using an installer, that's all |
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| 17:45.40 | HeXiLeD | Seems i lost lots of fluxbox menu entries when upgrading from jessie to stretch. Aside fluxbox-update_configs is there any app to regenerate menu entries? such as fluxbox-generate_menu ? With gentoo we can use fluxbox-generate_menu or menumaker. Is there an equivalent for debian ? |
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| 17:49.00 | n4dir | hmm ... there is something like a debian menu, i forgot the path, which lots of window managers do use (out of box, no need to configure it). fluxbox sure did use it too, in the past. |
| 17:49.13 | CrazyTux | hello, I have debian xfce installed on my laptop. I installed mate de yesterday, encountering some problem with screen brightness. |
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| 17:50.29 | CrazyTux | I am required required to reset the screen brightness to the desired level every time I log in on mate desktop. |
| 17:51.27 | CrazyTux | what can I do so that when I log into the mate desktop, I can have the screen brightness to the level that was set before logging out. |
| 17:51.31 | CrazyTux | ? |
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| 17:58.00 | Brigo | CrazyTux, it should be done automaticaly. If not you better option is do it by yourserf, accesing directly to the hardware. |
| 17:59.31 | CrazyTux | how? |
| 17:59.41 | CrazyTux | I don't have this issue in xfce. |
| 17:59.46 | CrazyTux | only in mate de. |
| 18:00.25 | CrazyTux | I want the brightness level to be preserved and when I login I want to see the last set level. |
| 18:00.33 | CrazyTux | which is not happening in mate. |
| 18:00.45 | Brigo | CrazyTux, you can try with a bug report. |
| 18:01.15 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 18:02.33 | jelly | judd will be back after these messages. |
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| 18:09.56 | afx_ | teraflops, you told me to use ~/.local/bin should I just place the contents of the downloaded files in there ? |
| 18:10.52 | teraflops | afx_: I told you not using anything like /usr/bin /bin etc |
| 18:11.29 | afx_ | teraflops, why so? please forgive my ignorace |
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| 18:13.02 | afx_ | can I just use ~/.megatools too? |
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| 18:15.08 | teraflops | because eventually if you upgrade to stretch and you install the package from repos, if you installed the binaries in /usr/bin dpkg will fail |
| 18:15.25 | afx_ | ok I see |
| 18:15.56 | dob1 | I don't understand if directory that have its name that start with @ is special in some way or not: on a linux pc i can do "ls @Test", in another linux pc i have to do "ls \@Test", I am using bash shell in each of them, why this? |
| 18:16.46 | afx_ | so by placing the contents inside .megatools and use ./configure && make && make install && ldconfig am I safe to go , or will it install in /usr/bin ? |
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| 18:17.29 | jelly | dob1, probably a setting in bash someplace, @ is not really a special character otherwise |
| 18:18.42 | jelly | afx_, it's hard to say what "make install" on some random source is going to do |
| 18:19.17 | jelly | afx_, what you can do, is use a custom prefix with configure |
| 18:19.20 | n4dir | afx_: configure will use a default path, /usr/bin woldn't be unusual. But usually you can give arguments to configure to change the default. ./configure --help might give some insight |
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| 18:19.34 | afx_ | jelly, following this article http://www.matteomattei.com/backup-your-server-on-mega-co-nz-using-megatools/ it states that this will be installed in /usr/local/bin |
| 18:19.41 | jelly | n4dir, autotools will NOT use /usr as prefix by default |
| 18:19.53 | jelly | afx_, that seems sane |
| 18:20.05 | n4dir | jelly: my point was what you said more clear: usually it is possible to use a prefix. |
| 18:20.09 | afx_ | will this cause the problem teraflops mentions? |
| 18:20.23 | dob1 | jelly, thanks |
| 18:20.28 | afx_ | ok let me check .configure --help |
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| 18:21.38 | n4dir | i for one think that /usr/local/bin (local) is good, as debian packages from the repos don't install to any path with local in it. But i sure wouldn't bet. |
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| 18:22.11 | afx_ | https://paste.debian.net/982152/ |
| 18:22.12 | jelly | afx_, contents of /usr/local are not managed by the packaging system, and it's the default prefix with autotools, so if the configure script is created with autotools you're reasonably safe. You might pick a more specific prefix, like /opt/megatools or /usr/local/megatools, to keep even /usr/local from getting to cluttered, and to make it easier to delete all bits of this software later |
| 18:22.44 | afx_ | jelly, makes sense |
| 18:23.32 | jelly | ,v megatools |
| 18:23.33 | judd | Package: megatools on amd64 -- buster: 1.9.98-1; sid: 1.9.98-1; stretch: 1.9.98-1 |
| 18:23.58 | afx_ | jelly, I am on jessie |
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| 18:24.31 | jelly | afx_, you might also try building a deb package instead, then |
| 18:24.40 | jelly | !simple sid backport |
| 18:24.41 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 18:24.56 | jelly | (there is no backport in debian-backports) |
| 18:25.24 | afx_ | yeap |
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| 18:25.28 | jelly | judd, checkbackport megatools --fromrelease sid --torelease jessie |
| 18:25.30 | judd | Backporting package megatools in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 18:25.42 | jelly | might be doable, then |
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| 18:26.55 | afx_ | hmm , I was thinking of using .configure --prefix=/opt/megatools |
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| 18:30.00 | afx_ | jelly, in case I build a deb package where will it get installed? also is there a more detailed guide for this ? |
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| 18:31.16 | jmcnaught | afx_: https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 18:32.02 | afx_ | jmcnaught, thank you |
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| 18:45.24 | teraflops | jelly: I already told him the same time ago |
| 18:45.43 | danewbie | teraflops, are you there? |
| 18:45.54 | teraflops | I'm indeed there |
| 18:46.01 | teraflops | as in here |
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| 18:48.16 | danewbie | teraflops, it IS possible to equalize the sound using mpv and a script https://gist.github.com/avih/41acff712abd32e1f436235388c8b523 |
| 18:48.47 | danewbie | teraflops, it works on debian 9 |
| 18:49.47 | teraflops | it looks like a lua sctipt for mpv, too long for reading it, you can give a try to it though |
| 18:50.02 | danewbie | i did. i am using the abovementioned script and it works ok |
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| 18:50.24 | danewbie | and i am a newbie. |
| 18:50.25 | teraflops | great |
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| 18:52.12 | teraflops | it's not rocket science, mpv can deal with user scripts without much hassle, I was more concerned about the quality of the script itself, but if it works for you, well done mate |
| 18:53.01 | danewbie | teraflops, what free as in freedom videoconference software would you recommend to someone using a 32bit laptop? a pentium IV for instance |
| 18:53.21 | joola | Hello i'm looking for some help : I get a dirty exit when trying to shutdown a Virtual machine on which i'm wonnected using SSH |
| 18:53.40 | joola | It gives me a broken pipe. |
| 18:53.58 | teraflops | danewbie: hmm, I'm not the right person since I do not use any, apart from asterisk at work |
| 18:53.58 | joola | I already install libpam-systemd that handled it very well in jessie |
| 18:54.13 | joola | but this don't work in stretch anymore ... |
| 18:54.45 | teraflops | danewbie: because sometimes it's not about what you want but what other people is using |
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| 18:58.24 | n4dir | danewbie: <leaving the cloud> at wiki.debian.org only lists asterisk and sipwitch as options (hence i assume you won't find more stuff like that in the debian repos). |
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| 18:59.40 | danewbie | teraflops, most people use skype but i do not and will not use skype. |
| 19:00.12 | teraflops | danewbie: well done sir |
| 19:00.43 | danewbie | Henry151, since you are a devotee, what do *you* use to do videoconferences? |
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| 19:01.19 | orizzle | hi everyone, if i have a LILO MAP file that requires a password before booting, is it possible to decode the file to determine the password? |
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| 19:02.16 | teraflops | decode looks like a euphemism |
| 19:02.42 | danewbie | Henry151, are you threre? |
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| 19:03.14 | orizzle | euphemism or not, is it possible? |
| 19:03.26 | Henry151 | hey |
| 19:03.27 | Henry151 | lol |
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| 19:03.30 | teraflops | orizzle: first google match http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/LiloPwd |
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| 19:03.52 | danewbie | Henry151, since you are a devotee, what do *you* use to do videoconferences? |
| 19:03.56 | Henry151 | I use a system of mirrors and tubes for my video conferences |
| 19:03.56 | random_numbers | so, anyone able to give me a good reference on just what adding subuids to a user implies? |
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| 19:04.05 | Henry151 | like real mirrors |
| 19:04.06 | Henry151 | and tubes |
| 19:04.22 | joola | Try appear.in |
| 19:04.35 | joola | or spreed.me |
| 19:04.45 | random_numbers | And if someone broke out of an lxc container somehow, would they be stuck with virtual user permissions or would they have those of the owner of the subuids? |
| 19:05.21 | danewbie | Henry151, i am talking about free as in freedom *software* to hold videoconferences with someone who is hundreds if not thousand of miles away from you. |
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| 19:05.41 | joola | or https://meet.jit.si/ |
| 19:06.12 | danewbie | joola, apppear.in requires a powerful computer. i have a pentium IV |
| 19:06.42 | orizzle | teraflops: i tried this but it's from 1998. seems like lilo used to store pw's in plaintext in the mbr |
| 19:06.48 | joola | I linked you 2 softwares : spreed.me and https://meet.jit.si/ |
| 19:06.49 | orizzle | no longer works |
| 19:06.53 | random_numbers | You'd probably do better with a raspberry and earn back its price in electrical savings withina year. |
| 19:07.19 | teraflops | ++ |
| 19:07.28 | danewbie | joola, jitsi meets also requires a powerful computer. i have a pentium IV |
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| 19:08.03 | joola | well I can't help you ... |
| 19:09.59 | random_numbers | Pentiums required a lot of juice in proportion to the actual power they had. |
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| 19:12.35 | danewbie | random_numbers, how can i hold a videoconference on a pentium IV without installing non free software on my computer? |
| 19:13.22 | random_numbers | danewbie: SIP can do it. So that's be stuff like linphone or jisti. |
| 19:13.39 | random_numbers | Some extensions to xmpp can do it too... |
| 19:14.15 | random_numbers | Well, both SIP and XMPP would really just be negociating the actual VOIP connection which would happen on another protocol like rcp. |
| 19:14.31 | danewbie | Henry151, since you claim to be a devotee how can you (using free as in freedom *software*) hold videoconferences with someone who is hundreds if not thousands of miles away from you? |
| 19:15.14 | danewbie | random_numbers, do you use gajim? |
| 19:15.17 | random_numbers | s/rcp/rtp/ |
| 19:15.50 | random_numbers | Nope, but that's an xmpp client. It may support the needed extensions. Some versions of pidgin do as well. |
| 19:16.08 | random_numbers | Correction, gajim does support audio/video extensions. |
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| 19:17.58 | random_numbers | An interesting experiment I've yet to try would be this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_%28software%29 |
| 19:18.25 | random_numbers | A FOSS SIP client with P2P DHT-based additions. |
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| 19:20.12 | random_numbers | The main problem is that I'm not sure if a pentium4 is good enough for VoIP even with very-favorable nicing. |
| 19:20.35 | Walex | random_numbers: very abundantly enough |
| 19:20.37 | danewbie | i would prefer to get advice from people who have actually used the things the things they recommend. i use gajim but can not configure it to hold videoconferences. moreover, i could not find any newbie friendly tutorial to do so. |
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| 19:22.12 | johnkeates | danewbie: there is no way for you to have videoconferences in a user-friendly way, sadly |
| 19:22.41 | johnkeates | the combination of your requirements with the lack of knowledge and/or skills make it not something you can accomplish |
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| 19:23.00 | johnkeates | basically: get better hardware or learn more ;-) |
| 19:23.42 | danewbie | i tried a java application called jitsi and it needed a sip account to work. the problem was that jitsi was very unstable and sip did not play nice at all with my internet connection (NAT) |
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| 19:24.00 | johnkeates | hence my comment |
| 19:24.58 | johnkeates | it's not impossible or 'extremely hard', but it simply doesn't fit your profile |
| 19:25.20 | Walex | its not that hard, from a hardware point of view. |
| 19:25.24 | danewbie | johnkeates, so far no one has recommend me a solution they have verified to work themselves. |
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| 19:25.48 | danewbie | will be back later |
| 19:25.54 | johnkeates | danewbie: that's because you want user-friendly, which isn't available for your needs |
| 19:25.55 | n4dir | please not. |
| 19:26.01 | Walex | danewbie: a P4 is about the same speed as a smartphone CPU, as long as you don;t expect 4k videoconferencing |
| 19:26.08 | johnkeates | he's gone |
| 19:26.12 | johnkeates | of course a P4 can do it |
| 19:26.17 | johnkeates | it's just that HE can't do it |
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| 19:27.16 | johnkeates | i'd say a P3 could do it |
| 19:27.22 | johnkeates | since a PPC G3 could also do it |
| 19:27.31 | random_numbers | Walex: Huh, didn't know that, don't have one of those. |
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| 19:27.55 | Walex | on the other hand, while there are plentu of audio conferencing apps written in C etc., not too many *video* notes that work well. |
| 19:28.03 | johnkeates | I used Debian on systems based on that (well, it was just when jessie was new) |
| 19:28.20 | random_numbers | https://prosody.im/doc/jingle#server_support Or in other words, you can chat via VoIP with any client that implements jingle. |
| 19:28.52 | johnkeates | most of the setups back then were engineered to work with NetMeeting and used H.323 |
| 19:29.04 | Walex | random_numbers: audio is easy, video less easy. |
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| 19:29.18 | johnkeates | video is easy if you don't try to do 500p+ |
| 19:29.34 | Walex | johnkeates: speedwide, but which app to use? Not so easy |
| 19:29.45 | johnkeates | 640x480 or less works every time |
| 19:29.55 | random_numbers | Jingle supports it all. If the processor is too slow though... well, not much you can do about that. |
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| 19:30.12 | johnkeates | we used GnomeMeeting a lot |
| 19:30.19 | Walex | choice is basically Skype (proprietary) or HTML5 |
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| 19:30.30 | johnkeates | which apparently is Ekiga these days |
| 19:30.31 | random_numbers | nextcloud has a voip extension with webrtc. |
| 19:30.38 | random_numbers | So does owncloud I think. |
| 19:30.47 | Walex | johnkeates: H323/Ekiga/... is not excellent with NAT :-) |
| 19:30.47 | johnkeates | anything in-browser is painfully slow on a P4 |
| 19:30.54 | n4dir | now i remember. we used ekiga. |
| 19:30.56 | johnkeates | well, didn't see NAT as a requirement |
| 19:31.14 | johnkeates | also: back then NAT was understood or not used instead of gamified |
| 19:31.23 | Walex | the guy said "sip did not play nice at all with my internet connection (NAT)" |
| 19:31.32 | johnkeates | not sure if we had STUN back then |
| 19:31.47 | Walex | johnkeates: it was there. |
| 19:32.24 | Walex | I tried to use IAX2, which is single-port, but few voip providers offer it |
| 19:32.44 | johnkeates | not sure, it was around 2002 i think |
| 19:32.58 | johnkeates | but could be that STUN was there at the same time as h323 and sip because it was needed |
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| 19:33.11 | johnkeates | anyway, it worked great, just like IRC works great |
| 19:33.30 | johnkeates | it just seems that there are more users with less of a priority on actually understanding what they are doing |
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| 19:33.38 | johnkeates | so it went out of favour :( |
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| 19:34.12 | johnkeates | just like the gitter/mattermost/slack people, which is basically IRC but with fisher-price sauce |
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| 19:35.14 | teraflops | ,v qtox |
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| 19:35.14 | judd | No package named 'qtox' was found in amd64. |
| 19:35.17 | random_numbers | No one knows anything about subuids? |
| 19:35.20 | teraflops | :( |
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| 19:36.34 | johnkeates | at the rate we waste computing resources at, most of the setups where we still need peer-to-peer or peer-to-server but both ways, we just package a VPN client and config since computers have no problem doing that |
| 19:36.48 | johnkeates | also, no idea about those subuids |
| 19:36.54 | teraflops | both qtox/utox do video these days |
| 19:37.17 | johnkeates | but i'll google for you if you can fix my pacemaker ISCSITarget having problems with ConfigFS caches |
| 19:37.19 | johnkeates | :p |
| 19:37.35 | random_numbers | That's an option, kind of, but VPNs imply a minimum of centralization, which makes for points of failure. |
| 19:37.53 | johnkeates | true, but with SIP you need a server too |
| 19:38.05 | johnkeates | well. not really of course, if you keep it internal |
| 19:38.18 | random_numbers | Though localhost would be kind of useless for other than testing, yeah. |
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| 19:38.32 | johnkeates | well, if someone wants to talk to themselves, let them :D |
| 19:38.36 | random_numbers | heh |
| 19:38.39 | nocebobear | Hello! I got a newly and fresh installed Debian Stretch and getting some keyring errors when I'm doin' apt update. Anyone that can help me out? |
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| 19:39.05 | Walex | nocebobear: that's typical... |
| 19:39.33 | nocebobear | Should i just ignore it? Kinda hurt my eyes when i see it ;) |
| 19:40.02 | Walex | nocebobear: IIRC it is either that you have an empty "old trustdb" or the archive keys have not been fully updated during an upgrade. |
| 19:40.33 | Fjorgynn | aha |
| 19:40.37 | johnkeates | upgrade everything, install all the installs and check again |
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| 19:40.48 | nocebobear | Hey, Fjorgynn! ;) Strongbad here. |
| 19:41.00 | nocebobear | Well... it's freshly installed. |
| 19:41.01 | Walex | johnkeates: without the keys that's not going to be easy... |
| 19:41.10 | johnkeates | sure, just ignore them :D |
| 19:41.15 | Walex | nocebobear: let's try this, first do: 'sudo apt-get install debian-archive-keyring' |
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| 19:41.29 | Walex | nocebobear: should be already installed. |
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| 19:41.35 | nocebobear | got 2017.5 |
| 19:42.03 | Fjorgynn | :o |
| 19:42.22 | nocebobear | Aka it's already installed. |
| 19:42.39 | Walex | nocebobear: now do: 'ls -ld /etc/apt/trust* /etc/apt/trust*/*' |
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| 19:43.00 | Walex | nocebobear: are there any files of length zero? |
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| 19:43.54 | nocebobear | None at all. |
| 19:44.41 | n4dir | pastebin the whole error message won't hurt. Also telling if you added any repos to sources.list |
| 19:44.50 | nocebobear | Surething! |
| 19:45.22 | Walex | nocebobear: and the output from that 'ls -ld' |
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| 19:45.47 | nocebobear | Will do! |
| 19:45.58 | n4dir | to me such an error with a new installation sounds odd. But i heard it a few times. |
| 19:46.52 | n4dir | doesn't help much as i don't recall what the problem was. duh. |
| 19:46.54 | nocebobear | https://pastebin.com/2VBa6ED5 |
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| 19:48.06 | Walex | nocebobear: you could have told us before. What's hard to understand on that message? |
| 19:48.15 | Walex | nocebobear: or to do a web search? |
| 19:48.47 | nocebobear | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:50.38 | Walex | nocebobear: just try 'sudo mv /etc/apt/trusted.gpg /etc/apt/trusted.off' |
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| 19:51.35 | Walex | the trust database has been changed from a keyring to a directory. |
| 19:51.39 | Laserburn | I just updated my servers yesterday, one local and one remote. I use icinga to monitor the remote infrastructure using nrpe, and it was broken - getting the following message for all the services checked by nrpe: CHECK_NRPE: Receive header underflow - only -1 bytes received (4 expected). |
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| 19:52.25 | Walex | nocebobear: the problem is that '/etc/apt/trusted.gpg' is only readable vby 'root', but then it is not necessary either. |
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| 19:53.26 | nocebobear | Okay! The error is gone now. Thanks for helping me out. Really appreciate it. |
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| 19:56.42 | rudi_s | Walex: That's not correct. trusted.gpg is still used, it's just that the default debian keys are stored in separate files. |
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| 20:34.33 | Walex | rudi_s: from what I read in a bug report, it is used if it is not zero-length, but is not *necessary* |
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| 20:35.42 | Walex | rudi_s: the bug report is that if it is zero-length the '.d' directory entries are not used even if present. |
| 20:37.05 | Walex | that was a bug in "synaptic" though |
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| 20:37.20 | Walex | rudi_s: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/07/msg00939.html |
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| 20:48.42 | rudi_s | Walex: Sorry, I must have misrememberd. I was sure it was still used, but you're right. I just checked and apt-key list doesn't list it anymore, not sure when this changed but it's good to know. Thanks. |
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| 20:50.07 | simbalion | Hi, I'm trying to configure log rotation for /var/log/messages and /var/log/user.log and I used the examples in man logrotate but when I try to force it at the commandline it says no logs found for both files? |
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| 20:57.06 | jhutchins | What's wrong with the default config file? |
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| 21:09.03 | SoWAT | ÐÑем добÑой ноÑи! ХоÑоÑиÑ
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| 21:16.29 | random_numbers | Polite, though i doubt anyone else groked it. |
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| 21:19.47 | jhutchins | !ru |
| 21:19.48 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 21:23.02 | jhutchins | Vanellope: You can try booting with various switches like noacpi, noapic, nomodeset |
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| 21:25.17 | jhutchins | oops, wrong channel. |
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| 21:39.33 | dmkeast | If I run vrms, the only non-free package I have installed is 'firmware-iwlwifi'. I have a x220 thinkpad, seems like it's pretty easy to replace the wifi module... are there actually wifi modules that have open firmware? |
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| 21:46.46 | debfun495 | Is there a command to lock a string on top of running console ? |
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| 21:47.58 | Walex | dmkeast: I think it's illegal in most countries |
| 21:48.16 | Walex | debfun495: what does that mean? |
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| 21:52.18 | debfun495 | Walex: Give me a second to photoshop an example |
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| 21:52.45 | Walex | debfun495: which console? what kind of "string"? What does "on top" mean? |
| 21:52.54 | abrotman | well, he ran away .. |
| 21:53.13 | abrotman | debfun495: maybe using screen, I'm not aware of a way with a stanard terminal |
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| 21:56.17 | random_numbers | Walex: That's kind of stupid honestly. Reproducible builds with per-build certification would be more sensible. |
| 21:56.59 | random_numbers | That way you get verifiable code and certs. |
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| 22:04.33 | rom1v | hi, what is the default password for mysql-server once installed? On older debian versions, I was able to set it using "dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server", but this now does nothing on debian 9, so I don't have access to mysql-server that I just installed (it asks for a password when I execute "mysql -uroot -p") |
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| 22:06.54 | debfun495 | Walex: abrotman: something like this: https://s4.postimg.org/9n7jidbwd/console_concept.jpg |
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| 22:16.25 | rom1v | sudo mysql :) |
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| 22:20.08 | nbl | Hello guys :) |
| 22:20.46 | nbl | One question, please, for debian 9 I can't do to work the wifi in command line |
| 22:21.10 | nbl | When I type iwconfig set link wwp0s29u1u4i6 up the interface is always down why ? |
| 22:21.21 | nbl | on debian 8 that works |
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| 22:27.19 | dmkeast | Walex: what's illegal? |
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| 22:32.01 | nbl | somebody can help me for wifi |
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| 22:38.54 | mete | nbl: use a cable |
| 22:38.55 | mete | ;) |
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| 22:47.44 | nomad0 | Hey folks, was wondering if someone can help me out with applying wine staging patches in git.. a bit new to it... I've ran the --upstream-commit but I'm getting faiure to apply https://pastebin.mozilla.org/9030105 |
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| 22:57.01 | transhuman | what debian version will run on a atom processor https://ark.intel.com/products/58916/Intel-Atom-Processor-N2600-1M-Cache-1_6-GHz |
| 22:57.46 | JPT | Looks like a regular x86_64 processor to me ... unless i miss something |
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| 22:58.19 | JPT | So amd64 should be fine |
| 22:58.22 | transhuman | wont boot from the cds tells me its an i686 not x86_64 |
| 22:58.37 | nomad0 | I am tryin to start the build on wine before I leave for the evening but wine-staging patches wont apply.. https://pastebin.mozilla.org/9030107 if anyone can help |
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| 22:59.58 | JPT | transhuman: You got that error with an amd64 image? |
| 23:00.03 | transhuman | yes |
| 23:00.39 | transhuman | but let me try again |
| 23:00.42 | JPT | That's odd. ... is there a bios setting that allows you to change cpu specific stuff? I am expecting that cpu to work fine with an amd64 image |
| 23:00.49 | JPT | (Do NOT try ia64, that's intel itanium) |
| 23:01.01 | transhuman | I will try again |
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| 23:03.40 | simbalion | Hi, I'm trying to configure log rotation for /var/log/messages and /var/log/user.log and I used the examples in man logrotate but when I try to force it at the commandline it says no logs found for both files? |
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| 23:20.01 | Braden` | Hello! |
| 23:20.16 | Braden` | I am trying to get my wireless connectivity up via the command prompt |
| 23:22.30 | Braden` | I am connecting to a wpa2-psk network. I use wpa_password to generate the hash. I then edited wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces.d and added auto wlan0 \n iface wlan0 inet dhcp \n wpa2-ssid <myssid> \n wpa2-psk <hash>. Am I doing anything wrong? |
| 23:22.47 | Braden` | wpa_passphrase sorry |
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| 23:23.17 | Braden` | I am connecting to a wpa2-psk network. I use wpa_passphrase to generate the hash. I then edited wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces.d and added auto wlan0 \n iface wlan0 inet dhcp \n wpa2-ssid <myssid> \n wpa2-psk <hash>. Am I doing anything wrong? |
| 23:23.22 | Braden` | There, that is the correct statement |
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| 23:30.35 | buddybenj | If I reported a bug, how long will it take to show up on bugs.debian.org? |
| 23:31.08 | buddybenj | nvm it just showed up |
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